Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker
To add: 99% of the time I am doing this in light air under autopilot. If the wind is heavy enough to make the boat squirrely under Otto I'll use the genoa instead. To lower I'll usually pop the shackle off the tack and use the sheet to pull the sail into the cockpit. I tend to raise the sail from the mast and then run the halyard aft to lower it from the cockpit. In real light air it is easy enough to lower it onto the foredeck if you want to. In a race with DDW legs the boats with poles will beat you AND you might take a PHRF* hit for being different - this is a cruising technique. There really is nothing quite as nice as making good way in light air under the awning with a cold drink watching the chute while everyone else is going downwind in a cloud of exhaust. * I wonder if anyone would want to make a cruising chute asym class where you don't use bowsprits and set the downwind legs with offset marks. Might be a lot more fun than JAM racing on a light air day and still be doable with a small crew. Joe Della Barba Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G Street Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 11:06 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker I forgot to mention that Pete Shelquist from this list is selling me a used chute scoop, so I'll add that to the rig. Up until now, if the wind piped up, we had to just let the sheet fly and try to stuff the spin down the forehatch. The scoop should help me out with dousing, and maybe even allow me to fly the spin when single-handing. Also, I DO have a fixed spinnaker pole; but I've never used it, and it's been living off the boat in storage for several years, as it just got underfoot. If anyone has a need for it, let me know -- I'd rather have a whisker pole for the sailing I do. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Feb 25, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Rich Knowles r...@sailpower.camailto:r...@sailpower.ca wrote: That sounds very similar to the setup I use with my asymmetrical, Fred. I had not thought of using the symmetrical that way. Now that my engine is rebuilt and I may get some sailing in, I'll give it a whirl. Rich Knowles Indigo. LF38 Halifax ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Considering a New Genoa
The use of 170s was popular here in the midwest as well. The old rule was to keep the power up front; use the biggest genoa and reef early. With PHRF some switched to 165s so they wouldn't take the full hit.RonWild CheriCC 30STL --- On Tue, 2/26/13, David Risch davidrisc...@msn.com wrote: From: David Risch davidrisc...@msn.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Considering a New Genoa To: CNC CNC cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: Tuesday, February 26, 2013, 7:03 AM As a kid growing up on LIS we had 170s. Couldn't imagine wrastling with that thing now. David F. Risch 1981 40 (401) 419-4650 (cell) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 22:02:18 -0500 From: kirksned...@optonline.net To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Considering a New Genoa Dying implies there was some breeze to start with! In western LIS canvass is king, a 155 is worth the six seconds. Regards, Kirk Sneddon CC 29 Mk II From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Edd Schillay Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 6:07 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Considering a New Genoa All, It's true. The 135 I have is very sufficient. And anything bigger in over 10 would have us overpowered. But the problem is the non-spinnaker racing. Wing on wing downwind in a dying LI Sound breeze can be painful with a 135. I didn't contact UK because they are usually higher priced. But I'll give them a shot. Still, the more and more I think about it, I may be better off overall with my existing 135 -- including the 6-point PHRF credit. All the best, Edd ---Edd M. SchillayStarship EnterpriseNCC-1701-BCC 37+ | City Island, NY---914.332.4400 | Office914.332.1671 | Fax914.774.9767 | Mobile---Sent via iPhone 5 On Feb 24, 2013, at 12:32 PM, Josh Muckley muckl...@gmail.com wrote:I agree about the Genoa size. I would think that a 135 would be plenty big. I can only sail my full 155 during light wind (10kts max) On very rare occasions have I ever had a need to furl my 155 to less than 100. When I do, it is only to help pull the nose around during a tack. The sail is completely ineffective at actually propelling the boat because of the bulk on the luff. You will get a better, more effective, shape from a 135 when furled in to 100 and might even be able to sail at as low as 75. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk -- Want to email me privately? Check out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Privacy_Guard Then get my public key at: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8pEh5lnvP1yU0R5RHBOS2h3MFk/edit On Feb 24, 2013 11:28 AM, Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.com wrote:Just curious why you'd want such a huge sail, Edd. Your boat is so easily-driven, I would have thought you could easily make do with a 135...even in the vacuum called Long Island Sound. I'm thinking/hoping that I may be able to make do with a 110 here in Newport. We are just talking about cruising, after all. The journey is the destination. Andy CC 40 PeregrineOn Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com wrote:I've got a rolly 135. So far can't beat it! Joel Aronson On Feb 24, 2013, at 10:13 AM, Edd Schillay e...@schillay.com wrote: All, I'm in the market for a new cruising 150-155% genoa for my CC 37+. I've received some quotes from North and Quantum, but wanted to know if anyone on the list has had any experience, good or bad, with one of the discount sailmakers out there like FX, National, Far East, etc. I don't do much racing aside from the Wednesday night beer cans in my area, and even that is winding down due to difficulty with crew scheduling. So I'm thinking more of an all-purpose Dacron. So far, Quantum beats North by a lot. But I can probably save even another $1,000 going with one of those discount guys. Any thoughts? All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.332.1671 | Fax 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 5 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Ave Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ phone +401 965 5260 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album
Re: Stus-List Considering a New Genoa
Especially useful sail on a stiffer boat like the 30 MKI, probably usable to 15 apparent on that boat Dwight Veinot CC 35 MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ronald B. Frerker Sent: February 26, 2013 12:09 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Considering a New Genoa The use of 170s was popular here in the midwest as well. The old rule was to keep the power up front; use the biggest genoa and reef early. With PHRF some switched to 165s so they wouldn't take the full hit. Ron Wild Cheri CC 30 STL --- On Tue, 2/26/13, David Risch davidrisc...@msn.com wrote: From: David Risch davidrisc...@msn.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Considering a New Genoa To: CNC CNC cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: Tuesday, February 26, 2013, 7:03 AM As a kid growing up on LIS we had 170s. Couldn't imagine wrastling with that thing now. David F. Risch 1981 40 (401) 419-4650 (cell) _ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 22:02:18 -0500 From: kirksned...@optonline.net To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Considering a New Genoa Dying implies there was some breeze to start with! In western LIS canvass is king, a 155 is worth the six seconds. Regards, Kirk Sneddon CC 29 Mk II From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Edd Schillay Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 6:07 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Considering a New Genoa All, It's true. The 135 I have is very sufficient. And anything bigger in over 10 would have us overpowered. But the problem is the non-spinnaker racing. Wing on wing downwind in a dying LI Sound breeze can be painful with a 135. I didn't contact UK because they are usually higher priced. But I'll give them a shot. Still, the more and more I think about it, I may be better off overall with my existing 135 -- including the 6-point PHRF credit. All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.332.1671 | Fax 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 5 On Feb 24, 2013, at 12:32 PM, Josh Muckley muckl...@gmail.com wrote: I agree about the Genoa size. I would think that a 135 would be plenty big. I can only sail my full 155 during light wind (10kts max) On very rare occasions have I ever had a need to furl my 155 to less than 100. When I do, it is only to help pull the nose around during a tack. The sail is completely ineffective at actually propelling the boat because of the bulk on the luff. You will get a better, more effective, shape from a 135 when furled in to 100 and might even be able to sail at as low as 75. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk -- Want to email me privately? Check out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Privacy_Guard Then get my public key at: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8pEh5lnvP1yU0R5RHBOS2h3MFk/edit On Feb 24, 2013 11:28 AM, Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.com wrote: Just curious why you'd want such a huge sail, Edd. Your boat is so easily-driven, I would have thought you could easily make do with a 135...even in the vacuum called Long Island Sound. I'm thinking/hoping that I may be able to make do with a 110 here in Newport. We are just talking about cruising, after all. The journey is the destination. Andy CC 40 Peregrine On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com wrote: I've got a rolly 135. So far can't beat it! Joel Aronson On Feb 24, 2013, at 10:13 AM, Edd Schillay e...@schillay.com wrote: All, I'm in the market for a new cruising 150-155% genoa for my CC 37+. I've received some quotes from North and Quantum, but wanted to know if anyone on the list has had any experience, good or bad, with one of the discount sailmakers out there like FX, National, Far East, etc. I don't do much racing aside from the Wednesday night beer cans in my area, and even that is winding down due to difficulty with crew scheduling. So I'm thinking more of an all-purpose Dacron. So far, Quantum beats North by a lot. But I can probably save even another $1,000 going with one of those discount guys. Any thoughts? All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.332.1671 | Fax 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 5 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Ave Newport, RI USA 02840
Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker
You throw the halyard overboard Dwight Veinot CC 35 MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Pete Shelquist Sent: February 26, 2013 12:22 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker My take down process is the same as Joe's. One twist when solo; I throw the halyard overboard. Due to drag of the water on the line I pull the chute down vs having it fall in the water. Nice trick and works well whether it's blowing 5, 15 or whatever. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:13 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker To add: 99% of the time I am doing this in light air under autopilot. If the wind is heavy enough to make the boat squirrely under Otto I'll use the genoa instead. To lower I'll usually pop the shackle off the tack and use the sheet to pull the sail into the cockpit. I tend to raise the sail from the mast and then run the halyard aft to lower it from the cockpit. In real light air it is easy enough to lower it onto the foredeck if you want to. In a race with DDW legs the boats with poles will beat you AND you might take a PHRF* hit for being different - this is a cruising technique. There really is nothing quite as nice as making good way in light air under the awning with a cold drink watching the chute while everyone else is going downwind in a cloud of exhaust. * I wonder if anyone would want to make a cruising chute asym class where you don't use bowsprits and set the downwind legs with offset marks. Might be a lot more fun than JAM racing on a light air day and still be doable with a small crew. Joe Della Barba Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G Street Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 11:06 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker I forgot to mention that Pete Shelquist from this list is selling me a used chute scoop, so I'll add that to the rig. Up until now, if the wind piped up, we had to just let the sheet fly and try to stuff the spin down the forehatch. The scoop should help me out with dousing, and maybe even allow me to fly the spin when single-handing. Also, I DO have a fixed spinnaker pole; but I've never used it, and it's been living off the boat in storage for several years, as it just got underfoot. If anyone has a need for it, let me know -- I'd rather have a whisker pole for the sailing I do. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Feb 25, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Rich Knowles r...@sailpower.ca wrote: That sounds very similar to the setup I use with my asymmetrical, Fred. I had not thought of using the symmetrical that way. Now that my engine is rebuilt and I may get some sailing in, I'll give it a whirl. Rich Knowles Indigo. LF38 Halifax _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2238 / Virus Database: 2641/5634 - Release Date: 02/26/13 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Considering a New Genoa
I have 2 barely used 170s. They are both wonderful in light air, but being lazy I hardly ever feel like unrigging the furling genoa to use them. Here is what the mylar one looks like underway: http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/mylar1.jpg I have another one that is real light Dacron. The mylar sail can be flown in more wind without stretching. My PHRF rating is for this sail and I would be hurting on a light air race with a 150. Joe Della Barba -- Coquina CC 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight veinot Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 11:24 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Considering a New Genoa Especially useful sail on a stiffer boat like the 30 MKI, probably usable to 15 apparent on that boat Dwight Veinot CC 35 MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ronald B. Frerker Sent: February 26, 2013 12:09 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Considering a New Genoa The use of 170s was popular here in the midwest as well. The old rule was to keep the power up front; use the biggest genoa and reef early. With PHRF some switched to 165s so they wouldn't take the full hit. Ron Wild Cheri CC 30 STL --- On Tue, 2/26/13, David Risch davidrisc...@msn.commailto:davidrisc...@msn.com wrote: From: David Risch davidrisc...@msn.commailto:davidrisc...@msn.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Considering a New Genoa To: CNC CNC cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: Tuesday, February 26, 2013, 7:03 AM As a kid growing up on LIS we had 170s. Couldn't imagine wrastling with that thing now. David F. Risch 1981 40 (401) 419-4650 (cell) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 22:02:18 -0500 From: kirksned...@optonline.netmailto:kirksned...@optonline.net To: cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Considering a New Genoa Dying implies there was some breeze to start with! In western LIS canvass is king, a 155 is worth the six seconds. Regards, Kirk Sneddon CC 29 Mk II From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Edd Schillay Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 6:07 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Considering a New Genoa All, It's true. The 135 I have is very sufficient. And anything bigger in over 10 would have us overpowered. But the problem is the non-spinnaker racing. Wing on wing downwind in a dying LI Sound breeze can be painful with a 135. I didn't contact UK because they are usually higher priced. But I'll give them a shot. Still, the more and more I think about it, I may be better off overall with my existing 135 -- including the 6-point PHRF credit. All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.332.1671 | Fax 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 5 On Feb 24, 2013, at 12:32 PM, Josh Muckley muckl...@gmail.com/mc/compose?to=muckl...@gmail.com wrote: I agree about the Genoa size. I would think that a 135 would be plenty big. I can only sail my full 155 during light wind (10kts max) On very rare occasions have I ever had a need to furl my 155 to less than 100. When I do, it is only to help pull the nose around during a tack. The sail is completely ineffective at actually propelling the boat because of the bulk on the luff. You will get a better, more effective, shape from a 135 when furled in to 100 and might even be able to sail at as low as 75. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk -- Want to email me privately? Check out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Privacy_Guard Then get my public key at: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8pEh5lnvP1yU0R5RHBOS2h3MFk/edit On Feb 24, 2013 11:28 AM, Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.com/mc/compose?to=a.burton.sai...@gmail.com wrote: Just curious why you'd want such a huge sail, Edd. Your boat is so easily-driven, I would have thought you could easily make do with a 135...even in the vacuum called Long Island Sound. I'm thinking/hoping that I may be able to make do with a 110 here in Newport. We are just talking about cruising, after all. The journey is the destination. Andy CC 40 Peregrine On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com/mc/compose?to=joel.aron...@gmail.com wrote: I've got a rolly 135. So far can't beat it! Joel Aronson On Feb 24, 2013, at 10:13 AM, Edd Schillay e...@schillay.com/mc/compose?to=e...@schillay.com wrote: All, I'm in the market for a new cruising 150-155% genoa for my CC 37+. I've received some quotes from North and Quantum, but wanted to know if anyone on the list has had any experience, good or bad, with one of the discount sailmakers
Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker
Newbie question on this thread. Lisa and I, after much online research on good old boats decided on a 1986 CC mk iii 35 which we bought last October. A boat I can stand up in at last! We sailed it 3 times so far. Previous boats were smaller sloop rig and I've never flown a spinnaker. This one came with a spinnaker and has the pole nicely strapped down on the deck. Previous owner of a dozen years never used the spin and it seemed he thought it was more than he wanted to deal with - a fine somewhat elderly gentleman who cruised with his wife from the Chesapeake bay to the keys a few times and kept his engine spotlessly clean. I don't recall any extra blocks at the bow. I have the spin in a bag and it seems to be in great condition - maybe even new or almost new. It's solid red in color if that means anything - probably not, but maybe vintage 1986? IDK. Asymmetrical cruising type. We don't want to race cause we just don't have time. We will day sail and do some Multi day cruises as we can. We're on the Chesapeake. I want to use the spinnaker this coming season. I just want the thing to pull the boat along DDW (or thereabouts) when we need to and not have it look all goofy or be too hard or dangerous to deal with when wind pipes up and everything goes crazy. Any advice on how to proceed with a newbie KISS approach would be great. Take the pole off the boat and store in the garage for the future owner? Ok. I like the sound of that. Do I need to attach a block near the bow? It seems a sock would be a good addition. Who sells those and what size do I need? Thanks! Ron and Lisa Mr Bop 1986 Mk III 35 On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:21 AM, Pete Shelquist pete.shelqu...@comcast.net wrote: My take down process is the same as Joe’s. One twist when solo; I throw the halyard overboard. Due to drag of the water on the line I pull the chute down vs having it fall in the water. Nice trick and works well whether it’s blowing 5, 15 or whatever. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:13 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker To add: 99% of the time I am doing this in light air under autopilot. If the wind is heavy enough to make the boat squirrely under Otto I’ll use the genoa instead. To lower I’ll usually pop the shackle off the tack and use the sheet to pull the sail into the cockpit. I tend to raise the sail from the mast and then run the halyard aft to lower it from the cockpit. In real light air it is easy enough to lower it onto the foredeck if you want to. In a race with DDW legs the boats with poles will beat you AND you might take a PHRF* hit for being “different” – this is a cruising technique. There really is nothing quite as nice as making good way in light air under the awning with a cold drink watching the chute while everyone else is going downwind in a cloud of exhaust. * I wonder if anyone would want to make a “cruising chute asym class” where you don’t use bowsprits and set the downwind legs with offset marks. Might be a lot more fun than JAM racing on a light air day and still be doable with a small crew. Joe Della Barba Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G Street Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 11:06 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker I forgot to mention that Pete Shelquist from this list is selling me a used chute scoop, so I'll add that to the rig. Up until now, if the wind piped up, we had to just let the sheet fly and try to stuff the spin down the forehatch. The scoop should help me out with dousing, and maybe even allow me to fly the spin when single-handing. Also, I DO have a fixed spinnaker pole; but I've never used it, and it's been living off the boat in storage for several years, as it just got underfoot. If anyone has a need for it, let me know -- I'd rather have a whisker pole for the sailing I do. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Feb 25, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Rich Knowles r...@sailpower.ca wrote: That sounds very similar to the setup I use with my asymmetrical, Fred. I had not thought of using the symmetrical that way. Now that my engine is rebuilt and I may get some sailing in, I'll give it a whirl. Rich Knowles Indigo. LF38 Halifax ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Considering a New Genoa
I consider your 35 MKI a relatively stiff boat, not as stiff as the 30 MKI but I am sure that sail does very nicely also up to about 15 apparent on your 35 MKI and in light air is well worth the handicap adjustment it carries.I have a seldom used fairly new looking light Dacron sail by Sobstad that measures 162% but like you I am lazy and I have never actually seen it working. Dwight Veinot CC 35 MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe Sent: February 26, 2013 12:35 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Considering a New Genoa I have 2 barely used 170s. They are both wonderful in light air, but being lazy I hardly ever feel like unrigging the furling genoa to use them. Here is what the mylar one looks like underway: http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/mylar1.jpg I have another one that is real light Dacron. The mylar sail can be flown in more wind without stretching. My PHRF rating is for this sail and I would be hurting on a light air race with a 150. Joe Della Barba -- Coquina CC 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight veinot Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 11:24 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Considering a New Genoa Especially useful sail on a stiffer boat like the 30 MKI, probably usable to 15 apparent on that boat Dwight Veinot CC 35 MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ronald B. Frerker Sent: February 26, 2013 12:09 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Considering a New Genoa ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker
Where are you? I am sure someone can meet up with you and go over the rigging. Joe Della Barba From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ron Kaye Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 12:16 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker Newbie question on this thread. Lisa and I, after much online research on good old boats decided on a 1986 CC mk iii 35 which we bought last October. A boat I can stand up in at last! We sailed it 3 times so far. Previous boats were smaller sloop rig and I've never flown a spinnaker. This one came with a spinnaker and has the pole nicely strapped down on the deck. Previous owner of a dozen years never used the spin and it seemed he thought it was more than he wanted to deal with - a fine somewhat elderly gentleman who cruised with his wife from the Chesapeake bay to the keys a few times and kept his engine spotlessly clean. I don't recall any extra blocks at the bow. I have the spin in a bag and it seems to be in great condition - maybe even new or almost new. It's solid red in color if that means anything - probably not, but maybe vintage 1986? IDK. Asymmetrical cruising type. We don't want to race cause we just don't have time. We will day sail and do some Multi day cruises as we can. We're on the Chesapeake. I want to use the spinnaker this coming season. I just want the thing to pull the boat along DDW (or thereabouts) when we need to and not have it look all goofy or be too hard or dangerous to deal with when wind pipes up and everything goes crazy. Any advice on how to proceed with a newbie KISS approach would be great. Take the pole off the boat and store in the garage for the future owner? Ok. I like the sound of that. Do I need to attach a block near the bow? It seems a sock would be a good addition. Who sells those and what size do I need? Thanks! Ron and Lisa Mr Bop 1986 Mk III 35 On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:21 AM, Pete Shelquist pete.shelqu...@comcast.netmailto:pete.shelqu...@comcast.net wrote: My take down process is the same as Joe’s. One twist when solo; I throw the halyard overboard. Due to drag of the water on the line I pull the chute down vs having it fall in the water. Nice trick and works well whether it’s blowing 5, 15 or whatever. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:13 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker To add: 99% of the time I am doing this in light air under autopilot. If the wind is heavy enough to make the boat squirrely under Otto I’ll use the genoa instead. To lower I’ll usually pop the shackle off the tack and use the sheet to pull the sail into the cockpit. I tend to raise the sail from the mast and then run the halyard aft to lower it from the cockpit. In real light air it is easy enough to lower it onto the foredeck if you want to. In a race with DDW legs the boats with poles will beat you AND you might take a PHRF* hit for being “different” – this is a cruising technique. There really is nothing quite as nice as making good way in light air under the awning with a cold drink watching the chute while everyone else is going downwind in a cloud of exhaust. * I wonder if anyone would want to make a “cruising chute asym class” where you don’t use bowsprits and set the downwind legs with offset marks. Might be a lot more fun than JAM racing on a light air day and still be doable with a small crew. Joe Della Barba Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G Street Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 11:06 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker I forgot to mention that Pete Shelquist from this list is selling me a used chute scoop, so I'll add that to the rig. Up until now, if the wind piped up, we had to just let the sheet fly and try to stuff the spin down the forehatch. The scoop should help me out with dousing, and maybe even allow me to fly the spin when single-handing. Also, I DO have a fixed spinnaker pole; but I've never used it, and it's been living off the boat in storage for several years, as it just got underfoot. If anyone has a need for it, let me know -- I'd rather have a whisker pole for the sailing I do. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Feb 25, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Rich Knowles r...@sailpower.camailto:r...@sailpower.ca wrote: That sounds very similar to the setup I use with my asymmetrical, Fred. I had not thought of using the symmetrical that way. Now that my engine is rebuilt and I may get some sailing in, I'll give it a whirl. Rich Knowles Indigo. LF38 Halifax ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album
Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker
You would benefit from the help of skilled crew.no matter how you rig it unless you have the know how it could be hard and / or even dangerous to use or get down when the wind pipes up and things go crazy. That is a very powerful sail and the lines attached to it and out of control in the wind can hit you like flying hammers Dwight Veinot CC 35 MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ron Kaye Sent: February 26, 2013 1:16 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker Newbie question on this thread. Lisa and I, after much online research on good old boats decided on a 1986 CC mk iii 35 which we bought last October. A boat I can stand up in at last! We sailed it 3 times so far. Previous boats were smaller sloop rig and I've never flown a spinnaker. This one came with a spinnaker and has the pole nicely strapped down on the deck. Previous owner of a dozen years never used the spin and it seemed he thought it was more than he wanted to deal with - a fine somewhat elderly gentleman who cruised with his wife from the Chesapeake bay to the keys a few times and kept his engine spotlessly clean. I don't recall any extra blocks at the bow. I have the spin in a bag and it seems to be in great condition - maybe even new or almost new. It's solid red in color if that means anything - probably not, but maybe vintage 1986? IDK. Asymmetrical cruising type. We don't want to race cause we just don't have time. We will day sail and do some Multi day cruises as we can. We're on the Chesapeake. I want to use the spinnaker this coming season. I just want the thing to pull the boat along DDW (or thereabouts) when we need to and not have it look all goofy or be too hard or dangerous to deal with when wind pipes up and everything goes crazy. Any advice on how to proceed with a newbie KISS approach would be great. Take the pole off the boat and store in the garage for the future owner? Ok. I like the sound of that. Do I need to attach a block near the bow? It seems a sock would be a good addition. Who sells those and what size do I need? Thanks! Ron and Lisa Mr Bop 1986 Mk III 35 On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:21 AM, Pete Shelquist pete.shelqu...@comcast.net wrote: My take down process is the same as Joe's. One twist when solo; I throw the halyard overboard. Due to drag of the water on the line I pull the chute down vs having it fall in the water. Nice trick and works well whether it's blowing 5, 15 or whatever. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:13 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker To add: 99% of the time I am doing this in light air under autopilot. If the wind is heavy enough to make the boat squirrely under Otto I'll use the genoa instead. To lower I'll usually pop the shackle off the tack and use the sheet to pull the sail into the cockpit. I tend to raise the sail from the mast and then run the halyard aft to lower it from the cockpit. In real light air it is easy enough to lower it onto the foredeck if you want to. In a race with DDW legs the boats with poles will beat you AND you might take a PHRF* hit for being different - this is a cruising technique. There really is nothing quite as nice as making good way in light air under the awning with a cold drink watching the chute while everyone else is going downwind in a cloud of exhaust. * I wonder if anyone would want to make a cruising chute asym class where you don't use bowsprits and set the downwind legs with offset marks. Might be a lot more fun than JAM racing on a light air day and still be doable with a small crew. Joe Della Barba Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G Street Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 11:06 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker I forgot to mention that Pete Shelquist from this list is selling me a used chute scoop, so I'll add that to the rig. Up until now, if the wind piped up, we had to just let the sheet fly and try to stuff the spin down the forehatch. The scoop should help me out with dousing, and maybe even allow me to fly the spin when single-handing. Also, I DO have a fixed spinnaker pole; but I've never used it, and it's been living off the boat in storage for several years, as it just got underfoot. If anyone has a need for it, let me know -- I'd rather have a whisker pole for the sailing I do. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Feb 25, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Rich Knowles r...@sailpower.ca wrote: That sounds very similar to the setup I use with my asymmetrical, Fred. I had not thought of using the symmetrical that way. Now that my engine is
Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker
We're on the Rhodes R just South of Annapolis. That would be great. No big hurry right now of course. We are going to haul 'n paint in March-April. Ron On Feb 26, 2013, at 12:27 PM, Della Barba, Joe joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov wrote: Where are you? I am sure someone can meet up with you and go over the rigging. Joe Della Barba From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ron Kaye Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 12:16 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker Newbie question on this thread. Lisa and I, after much online research on good old boats decided on a 1986 CC mk iii 35 which we bought last October. A boat I can stand up in at last! We sailed it 3 times so far. Previous boats were smaller sloop rig and I've never flown a spinnaker. This one came with a spinnaker and has the pole nicely strapped down on the deck. Previous owner of a dozen years never used the spin and it seemed he thought it was more than he wanted to deal with - a fine somewhat elderly gentleman who cruised with his wife from the Chesapeake bay to the keys a few times and kept his engine spotlessly clean. I don't recall any extra blocks at the bow. I have the spin in a bag and it seems to be in great condition - maybe even new or almost new. It's solid red in color if that means anything - probably not, but maybe vintage 1986? IDK. Asymmetrical cruising type. We don't want to race cause we just don't have time. We will day sail and do some Multi day cruises as we can. We're on the Chesapeake. I want to use the spinnaker this coming season. I just want the thing to pull the boat along DDW (or thereabouts) when we need to and not have it look all goofy or be too hard or dangerous to deal with when wind pipes up and everything goes crazy. Any advice on how to proceed with a newbie KISS approach would be great. Take the pole off the boat and store in the garage for the future owner? Ok. I like the sound of that. Do I need to attach a block near the bow? It seems a sock would be a good addition. Who sells those and what size do I need? Thanks! Ron and Lisa Mr Bop 1986 Mk III 35 On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:21 AM, Pete Shelquist pete.shelqu...@comcast.net wrote: My take down process is the same as Joe’s. One twist when solo; I throw the halyard overboard. Due to drag of the water on the line I pull the chute down vs having it fall in the water. Nice trick and works well whether it’s blowing 5, 15 or whatever. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:13 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker To add: 99% of the time I am doing this in light air under autopilot. If the wind is heavy enough to make the boat squirrely under Otto I’ll use the genoa instead. To lower I’ll usually pop the shackle off the tack and use the sheet to pull the sail into the cockpit. I tend to raise the sail from the mast and then run the halyard aft to lower it from the cockpit. In real light air it is easy enough to lower it onto the foredeck if you want to. In a race with DDW legs the boats with poles will beat you AND you might take a PHRF* hit for being “different” – this is a cruising technique. There really is nothing quite as nice as making good way in light air under the awning with a cold drink watching the chute while everyone else is going downwind in a cloud of exhaust. * I wonder if anyone would want to make a “cruising chute asym class” where you don’t use bowsprits and set the downwind legs with offset marks. Might be a lot more fun than JAM racing on a light air day and still be doable with a small crew. Joe Della Barba Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G Street Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 11:06 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker I forgot to mention that Pete Shelquist from this list is selling me a used chute scoop, so I'll add that to the rig. Up until now, if the wind piped up, we had to just let the sheet fly and try to stuff the spin down the forehatch. The scoop should help me out with dousing, and maybe even allow me to fly the spin when single-handing. Also, I DO have a fixed spinnaker pole; but I've never used it, and it's been living off the boat in storage for several years, as it just got underfoot. If anyone has a need for it, let me know -- I'd rather have a whisker pole for the sailing I do. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Feb 25, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Rich Knowles r...@sailpower.ca wrote: That sounds very similar to the setup I use with my asymmetrical, Fred. I had not
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Ron, Welcome! I also have a 35/3. I'm in Annapolis. I took the advice of others on the list and drilled a hole in the bow fittings and attached a shackle. I have a snatch block that attaches to the tack and runs back to the cockpit. I can take pictures or show you my boat if you are close by. I'm trying to decide between a sock and furler. The cheapest socks are from North Sails Direct - not the local North lot. They run about $350. Joel 35/3 The Office Annapolis On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Ron Kaye ronkaye...@gmail.com wrote: Newbie question on this thread. Lisa and I, after much online research on good old boats decided on a 1986 CC mk iii 35 which we bought last October. A boat I can stand up in at last! We sailed it 3 times so far. Previous boats were smaller sloop rig and I've never flown a spinnaker. This one came with a spinnaker and has the pole nicely strapped down on the deck. Previous owner of a dozen years never used the spin and it seemed he thought it was more than he wanted to deal with - a fine somewhat elderly gentleman who cruised with his wife from the Chesapeake bay to the keys a few times and kept his engine spotlessly clean. I don't recall any extra blocks at the bow. I have the spin in a bag and it seems to be in great condition - maybe even new or almost new. It's solid red in color if that means anything - probably not, but maybe vintage 1986? IDK. Asymmetrical cruising type. We don't want to race cause we just don't have time. We will day sail and do some Multi day cruises as we can. We're on the Chesapeake. I want to use the spinnaker this coming season. I just want the thing to pull the boat along DDW (or thereabouts) when we need to and not have it look all goofy or be too hard or dangerous to deal with when wind pipes up and everything goes crazy. Any advice on how to proceed with a newbie KISS approach would be great. Take the pole off the boat and store in the garage for the future owner? Ok. I like the sound of that. Do I need to attach a block near the bow? It seems a sock would be a good addition. Who sells those and what size do I need? Thanks! Ron and Lisa Mr Bop 1986 Mk III 35 On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:21 AM, Pete Shelquist pete.shelqu...@comcast.net wrote: My take down process is the same as Joe’s. One twist when solo; I throw the halyard overboard. Due to drag of the water on the line I pull the chute down vs having it fall in the water. Nice trick and works well whether it’s blowing 5, 15 or whatever. ** ** ** ** ** ** *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.comcnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Della Barba, Joe *Sent:* Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:13 AM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker ** ** To add: 99% of the time I am doing this in light air under autopilot. If the wind is heavy enough to make the boat squirrely under Otto I’ll use the genoa instead. To lower I’ll usually pop the shackle off the tack and use the sheet to pull the sail into the cockpit. I tend to raise the sail from the mast and then run the halyard aft to lower it from the cockpit. In real light air it is easy enough to lower it onto the foredeck if you want to. In a race with DDW legs the boats with poles will beat you AND you might take a PHRF* hit for being “different” – this is a cruising technique. There really is nothing quite as nice as making good way in light air under the awning with a cold drink watching the chute while everyone else is going downwind in a cloud of exhaust. ** ** * I wonder if anyone would want to make a “cruising chute asym class” where you don’t use bowsprits and set the downwind legs with offset marks. Might be a lot more fun than JAM racing on a light air day and still be doable with a small crew. ** ** *Joe Della Barba Coquina* ** ** *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.comcnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Frederick G Street *Sent:* Monday, February 25, 2013 11:06 AM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker ** ** I forgot to mention that Pete Shelquist from this list is selling me a used chute scoop, so I'll add that to the rig. Up until now, if the wind piped up, we had to just let the sheet fly and try to stuff the spin down the forehatch. The scoop should help me out with dousing, and maybe even allow me to fly the spin when single-handing. ** ** Also, I DO have a fixed spinnaker pole; but I've never used it, and it's been living off the boat in storage for several years, as it just got underfoot. If anyone has a need for it, let me know -- I'd rather have a whisker pole for the sailing I do. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V *Oceanis* (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^(* *** ** ** On Feb 25, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Rich Knowles
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I'll be on my boat most weekends doing work on her for the next month. On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.comwrote: Ron, Welcome! I also have a 35/3. I'm in Annapolis. I took the advice of others on the list and drilled a hole in the bow fittings and attached a shackle. I have a snatch block that attaches to the tack and runs back to the cockpit. I can take pictures or show you my boat if you are close by. I'm trying to decide between a sock and furler. The cheapest socks are from North Sails Direct - not the local North lot. They run about $350. Joel 35/3 The Office Annapolis On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Ron Kaye ronkaye...@gmail.com wrote: Newbie question on this thread. Lisa and I, after much online research on good old boats decided on a 1986 CC mk iii 35 which we bought last October. A boat I can stand up in at last! We sailed it 3 times so far. Previous boats were smaller sloop rig and I've never flown a spinnaker. This one came with a spinnaker and has the pole nicely strapped down on the deck. Previous owner of a dozen years never used the spin and it seemed he thought it was more than he wanted to deal with - a fine somewhat elderly gentleman who cruised with his wife from the Chesapeake bay to the keys a few times and kept his engine spotlessly clean. I don't recall any extra blocks at the bow. I have the spin in a bag and it seems to be in great condition - maybe even new or almost new. It's solid red in color if that means anything - probably not, but maybe vintage 1986? IDK. Asymmetrical cruising type. We don't want to race cause we just don't have time. We will day sail and do some Multi day cruises as we can. We're on the Chesapeake. I want to use the spinnaker this coming season. I just want the thing to pull the boat along DDW (or thereabouts) when we need to and not have it look all goofy or be too hard or dangerous to deal with when wind pipes up and everything goes crazy. Any advice on how to proceed with a newbie KISS approach would be great. Take the pole off the boat and store in the garage for the future owner? Ok. I like the sound of that. Do I need to attach a block near the bow? It seems a sock would be a good addition. Who sells those and what size do I need? Thanks! Ron and Lisa Mr Bop 1986 Mk III 35 On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:21 AM, Pete Shelquist pete.shelqu...@comcast.net wrote: My take down process is the same as Joe’s. One twist when solo; I throw the halyard overboard. Due to drag of the water on the line I pull the chute down vs having it fall in the water. Nice trick and works well whether it’s blowing 5, 15 or whatever. ** ** ** ** ** ** *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.comcnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Della Barba, Joe *Sent:* Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:13 AM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker ** ** To add: 99% of the time I am doing this in light air under autopilot. If the wind is heavy enough to make the boat squirrely under Otto I’ll use the genoa instead. To lower I’ll usually pop the shackle off the tack and use the sheet to pull the sail into the cockpit. I tend to raise the sail from the mast and then run the halyard aft to lower it from the cockpit. In real light air it is easy enough to lower it onto the foredeck if you want to. In a race with DDW legs the boats with poles will beat you AND you might take a PHRF* hit for being “different” – this is a cruising technique. There really is nothing quite as nice as making good way in light air under the awning with a cold drink watching the chute while everyone else is going downwind in a cloud of exhaust. ** ** * I wonder if anyone would want to make a “cruising chute asym class” where you don’t use bowsprits and set the downwind legs with offset marks. Might be a lot more fun than JAM racing on a light air day and still be doable with a small crew. ** ** *Joe Della Barba Coquina* ** ** *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.comcnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Frederick G Street *Sent:* Monday, February 25, 2013 11:06 AM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker ** ** I forgot to mention that Pete Shelquist from this list is selling me a used chute scoop, so I'll add that to the rig. Up until now, if the wind piped up, we had to just let the sheet fly and try to stuff the spin down the forehatch. The scoop should help me out with dousing, and maybe even allow me to fly the spin when single-handing. ** ** Also, I DO have a fixed spinnaker pole; but I've never used it, and it's been living off the boat in storage for several years, as it just got underfoot. If anyone has a need for it, let me know -- I'd rather have a whisker pole for the sailing I do. Fred
Stus-List 35/3 babystay
When I purchased my boat I was told the babystay needs to be rebedded. Do I even need a babystay with that tree trunk of a mast? -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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That boat is not a 30 ft CC, It looks like a 32. 30's do not have a swept back transom like that, Joe Bognar 1979 CC 30 In Luff Again 11 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe Sent: February-26-13 12:02 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List FYI - found this CC 30 share deal http://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/3633044380.html I suspect this may be the old Synchronicity. Joe Della Barba ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List FYI - found this CC 30 share deal
Definitely not a 30-1, could be a 32 or a 30-2 or a 27-5. Gary - Original Message - From: Joseph Bognar To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 1:26 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List FYI - found this CC 30 share deal That boat is not a 30 ft CC, It looks like a 32. 30's do not have a swept back transom like that, Joe Bognar 1979 CC 30 In Luff Again 11 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe Sent: February-26-13 12:02 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List FYI - found this CC 30 share deal http://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/3633044380.html I suspect this may be the old Synchronicity. Joe Della Barba -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker
The best advice I can give is do a little racing. You will learn all you want about spinnakers...and become a better sailor, too. Racing experience really helps when you're just cruising. Get on boats with both symmetric and asymmetric kites. Annapolis is a pretty good spot to start looking and people there seem to be pretty open to showing others the ropes. For setting the pole, here's something I wrote for Cruising World: http://www.cruisingworld.com/how-to/seamanship/sailing-downwind-set-a-whisker-pole Congrats on getting a great boat! Andy CC 40 peregrine On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Ron Kaye ronkaye...@gmail.com wrote: Newbie question on this thread. Lisa and I, after much online research on good old boats decided on a 1986 CC mk iii 35 which we bought last October. A boat I can stand up in at last! We sailed it 3 times so far. Previous boats were smaller sloop rig and I've never flown a spinnaker. This one came with a spinnaker and has the pole nicely strapped down on the deck. Previous owner of a dozen years never used the spin and it seemed he thought it was more than he wanted to deal with - a fine somewhat elderly gentleman who cruised with his wife from the Chesapeake bay to the keys a few times and kept his engine spotlessly clean. I don't recall any extra blocks at the bow. I have the spin in a bag and it seems to be in great condition - maybe even new or almost new. It's solid red in color if that means anything - probably not, but maybe vintage 1986? IDK. Asymmetrical cruising type. We don't want to race cause we just don't have time. We will day sail and do some Multi day cruises as we can. We're on the Chesapeake. I want to use the spinnaker this coming season. I just want the thing to pull the boat along DDW (or thereabouts) when we need to and not have it look all goofy or be too hard or dangerous to deal with when wind pipes up and everything goes crazy. Any advice on how to proceed with a newbie KISS approach would be great. Take the pole off the boat and store in the garage for the future owner? Ok. I like the sound of that. Do I need to attach a block near the bow? It seems a sock would be a good addition. Who sells those and what size do I need? Thanks! Ron and Lisa Mr Bop 1986 Mk III 35 On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:21 AM, Pete Shelquist pete.shelqu...@comcast.net wrote: My take down process is the same as Joe’s. One twist when solo; I throw the halyard overboard. Due to drag of the water on the line I pull the chute down vs having it fall in the water. Nice trick and works well whether it’s blowing 5, 15 or whatever. ** ** ** ** ** ** *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.comcnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Della Barba, Joe *Sent:* Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:13 AM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker ** ** To add: 99% of the time I am doing this in light air under autopilot. If the wind is heavy enough to make the boat squirrely under Otto I’ll use the genoa instead. To lower I’ll usually pop the shackle off the tack and use the sheet to pull the sail into the cockpit. I tend to raise the sail from the mast and then run the halyard aft to lower it from the cockpit. In real light air it is easy enough to lower it onto the foredeck if you want to. In a race with DDW legs the boats with poles will beat you AND you might take a PHRF* hit for being “different” – this is a cruising technique. There really is nothing quite as nice as making good way in light air under the awning with a cold drink watching the chute while everyone else is going downwind in a cloud of exhaust. ** ** * I wonder if anyone would want to make a “cruising chute asym class” where you don’t use bowsprits and set the downwind legs with offset marks. Might be a lot more fun than JAM racing on a light air day and still be doable with a small crew. ** ** *Joe Della Barba Coquina* ** ** *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.comcnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Frederick G Street *Sent:* Monday, February 25, 2013 11:06 AM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker ** ** I forgot to mention that Pete Shelquist from this list is selling me a used chute scoop, so I'll add that to the rig. Up until now, if the wind piped up, we had to just let the sheet fly and try to stuff the spin down the forehatch. The scoop should help me out with dousing, and maybe even allow me to fly the spin when single-handing. ** ** Also, I DO have a fixed spinnaker pole; but I've never used it, and it's been living off the boat in storage for several years, as it just got underfoot. If anyone has a need for it, let me know -- I'd rather have a whisker pole for the sailing I do. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V *Oceanis* (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in
Re: Stus-List FYI - found this CC 30 share deal
Joel ought to know. It looks like it is parked right near his boat. On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Gary Nylander gnylan...@atlanticbb.netwrote: ** Definitely not a 30-1, could be a 32 or a 30-2 or a 27-5. Gary - Original Message - *From:* Joseph Bognar jbog...@sympatico.ca *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Sent:* Tuesday, February 26, 2013 1:26 PM *Subject:* Re: Stus-List FYI - found this CC 30 share deal That boat is not a 30 ft CC, It looks like a 32. 30’s do not have a swept back transom like that, ** ** Joe Bognar 1979 CC 30 In Luff Again 11 ** ** *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Della Barba, Joe *Sent:* February-26-13 12:02 PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Stus-List FYI - found this CC 30 share deal ** ** http://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/3633044380.html ** ** I suspect this may be the old Synchronicity. ** ** *Joe Della Barba* -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker
I appreciate the concern Dwight. Indeed there would be just the two of us most often. I have great respect for these nature forces. Still I would like to use this if possible at least on occasion. I know an experienced sailor we can work with and see how feasible it is. Keeping a close watch on changing conditions I know is important. I also know conditions can change quickly. And when the rain comes it feels like getting hit by hundreds of BBs. Ron On Feb 26, 2013, at 12:28 PM, dwight veinot dwightvei...@hfx.eastlink.ca wrote: You would benefit from the help of skilled crew…no matter how you rig it unless you have the “know how” it could be hard and / or even dangerous to use or get down “when the wind pipes up and things go crazy.” That is a very powerful sail and the lines attached to it and out of control in the wind can hit you like flying hammers Dwight Veinot CC 35 MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ron Kaye Sent: February 26, 2013 1:16 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker Newbie question on this thread. Lisa and I, after much online research on good old boats decided on a 1986 CC mk iii 35 which we bought last October. A boat I can stand up in at last! We sailed it 3 times so far. Previous boats were smaller sloop rig and I've never flown a spinnaker. This one came with a spinnaker and has the pole nicely strapped down on the deck. Previous owner of a dozen years never used the spin and it seemed he thought it was more than he wanted to deal with - a fine somewhat elderly gentleman who cruised with his wife from the Chesapeake bay to the keys a few times and kept his engine spotlessly clean. I don't recall any extra blocks at the bow. I have the spin in a bag and it seems to be in great condition - maybe even new or almost new. It's solid red in color if that means anything - probably not, but maybe vintage 1986? IDK. Asymmetrical cruising type. We don't want to race cause we just don't have time. We will day sail and do some Multi day cruises as we can. We're on the Chesapeake. I want to use the spinnaker this coming season. I just want the thing to pull the boat along DDW (or thereabouts) when we need to and not have it look all goofy or be too hard or dangerous to deal with when wind pipes up and everything goes crazy. Any advice on how to proceed with a newbie KISS approach would be great. Take the pole off the boat and store in the garage for the future owner? Ok. I like the sound of that. Do I need to attach a block near the bow? It seems a sock would be a good addition. Who sells those and what size do I need? Thanks! Ron and Lisa Mr Bop 1986 Mk III 35 On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:21 AM, Pete Shelquist pete.shelqu...@comcast.net wrote: My take down process is the same as Joe’s. One twist when solo; I throw the halyard overboard. Due to drag of the water on the line I pull the chute down vs having it fall in the water. Nice trick and works well whether it’s blowing 5, 15 or whatever. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:13 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker To add: 99% of the time I am doing this in light air under autopilot. If the wind is heavy enough to make the boat squirrely under Otto I’ll use the genoa instead. To lower I’ll usually pop the shackle off the tack and use the sheet to pull the sail into the cockpit. I tend to raise the sail from the mast and then run the halyard aft to lower it from the cockpit. In real light air it is easy enough to lower it onto the foredeck if you want to. In a race with DDW legs the boats with poles will beat you AND you might take a PHRF* hit for being “different” – this is a cruising technique. There really is nothing quite as nice as making good way in light air under the awning with a cold drink watching the chute while everyone else is going downwind in a cloud of exhaust. * I wonder if anyone would want to make a “cruising chute asym class” where you don’t use bowsprits and set the downwind legs with offset marks. Might be a lot more fun than JAM racing on a light air day and still be doable with a small crew. Joe Della Barba Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G Street Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 11:06 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker I forgot to mention that Pete Shelquist from this list is selling me a used chute scoop, so I'll add that to the rig. Up until now, if the wind piped up, we had to just let the sheet fly and try to stuff the spin down the forehatch. The scoop should help
Re: Stus-List FYI - found this CC 30 share deal
Not a 32 circa 1982. I have one of those and the stern is not swept and the galley is significantly different. Neil FoxFire, 1982 CC 32 Worton Creek MD. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary Nylander Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 1:35 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List FYI - found this CC 30 share deal Definitely not a 30-1, could be a 32 or a 30-2 or a 27-5. Gary - Original Message - From: Joseph Bognar mailto:jbog...@sympatico.ca To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 1:26 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List FYI - found this CC 30 share deal That boat is not a 30 ft CC, It looks like a 32. 30's do not have a swept back transom like that, Joe Bognar 1979 CC 30 In Luff Again 11 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe Sent: February-26-13 12:02 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List FYI - found this CC 30 share deal http://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/3633044380.html I suspect this may be the old Synchronicity. Joe Della Barba _ ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 35/3 babystay
The babystay serves two purposes. In rough seas, it keeps the mast from pumping. Because of the tree trunk mast, it allows you to bend the mast in heavy air. Some of the 35's have a padeye with a babystay and pelican hook attachment. Others (like mine) have a track so you can adjust the babystay. This is especially important when racing. For instance, in light air, when going downwind and when doing dip pole gybes, you want to release the babystay all the way Alan Bergen CC 35 Mk III Thirsty Rose City YC Portland, OR When I purchased my boat I was told the babystay needs to be rebedded. Do I even need a babystay with that tree trunk of a mast? ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker
Wow. This sounds great. Our first time out we went to Pirates Cove. Good time there. Parking that behemoth in their slip in a light breeze was surprisingly challenging. I know its going to be a long road learning to handle something this size. Will file this too. Hope to see you in May. Ron On Feb 26, 2013, at 1:31 PM, Della Barba, Joe joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov wrote: I am over on Kent Island. I am sure we can meet up. If nothing else, show up at our CRYC Annual Regatta J My wife likes the restaurants in Galesville, so maybe we can go down there one day and check out the sail. Joe Della Barba From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ron Kaye Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 12:36 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker We're on the Rhodes R just South of Annapolis. That would be great. No big hurry right now of course. We are going to haul 'n paint in March-April. Ron On Feb 26, 2013, at 12:27 PM, Della Barba, Joe joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov wrote: Where are you? I am sure someone can meet up with you and go over the rigging. Joe Della Barba From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ron Kaye Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 12:16 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker Newbie question on this thread. Lisa and I, after much online research on good old boats decided on a 1986 CC mk iii 35 which we bought last October. A boat I can stand up in at last! We sailed it 3 times so far. Previous boats were smaller sloop rig and I've never flown a spinnaker. This one came with a spinnaker and has the pole nicely strapped down on the deck. Previous owner of a dozen years never used the spin and it seemed he thought it was more than he wanted to deal with - a fine somewhat elderly gentleman who cruised with his wife from the Chesapeake bay to the keys a few times and kept his engine spotlessly clean. I don't recall any extra blocks at the bow. I have the spin in a bag and it seems to be in great condition - maybe even new or almost new. It's solid red in color if that means anything - probably not, but maybe vintage 1986? IDK. Asymmetrical cruising type. We don't want to race cause we just don't have time. We will day sail and do some Multi day cruises as we can. We're on the Chesapeake. I want to use the spinnaker this coming season. I just want the thing to pull the boat along DDW (or thereabouts) when we need to and not have it look all goofy or be too hard or dangerous to deal with when wind pipes up and everything goes crazy. Any advice on how to proceed with a newbie KISS approach would be great. Take the pole off the boat and store in the garage for the future owner? Ok. I like the sound of that. Do I need to attach a block near the bow? It seems a sock would be a good addition. Who sells those and what size do I need? Thanks! Ron and Lisa Mr Bop 1986 Mk III 35 On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:21 AM, Pete Shelquist pete.shelqu...@comcast.net wrote: My take down process is the same as Joe’s. One twist when solo; I throw the halyard overboard. Due to drag of the water on the line I pull the chute down vs having it fall in the water. Nice trick and works well whether it’s blowing 5, 15 or whatever. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:13 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker To add: 99% of the time I am doing this in light air under autopilot. If the wind is heavy enough to make the boat squirrely under Otto I’ll use the genoa instead. To lower I’ll usually pop the shackle off the tack and use the sheet to pull the sail into the cockpit. I tend to raise the sail from the mast and then run the halyard aft to lower it from the cockpit. In real light air it is easy enough to lower it onto the foredeck if you want to. In a race with DDW legs the boats with poles will beat you AND you might take a PHRF* hit for being “different” – this is a cruising technique. There really is nothing quite as nice as making good way in light air under the awning with a cold drink watching the chute while everyone else is going downwind in a cloud of exhaust. * I wonder if anyone would want to make a “cruising chute asym class” where you don’t use bowsprits and set the downwind legs with offset marks. Might be a lot more fun than JAM racing on a light air day and still be doable with a small crew. Joe Della Barba Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G Street Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 11:06 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker I forgot to mention that
Re: Stus-List FYI - found this CC 30 share deal
It's not a 30-2 either, the companionway is all wrong, and the transom on mine has a panel that swings down with the swim ladder for stepping through that I don't see on this boat. Jim Reinardy CC 30-2 Firewater Milwaukee, WI On Feb 26, 2013, at 12:46 PM, Neil Andersen neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com wrote: Not a 32 circa 1982. I have one of those and the stern is not swept and the galley is significantly different. Neil FoxFire, 1982 CC 32 Worton Creek MD. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary Nylander Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 1:35 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List FYI - found this CC 30 share deal Definitely not a 30-1, could be a 32 or a 30-2 or a 27-5. Gary - Original Message - From: Joseph Bognar To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 1:26 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List FYI - found this CC 30 share deal That boat is not a 30 ft CC, It looks like a 32. 30’s do not have a swept back transom like that, Joe Bognar 1979 CC 30 In Luff Again 11 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe Sent: February-26-13 12:02 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List FYI - found this CC 30 share deal http://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/3633044380.html I suspect this may be the old Synchronicity. Joe Della Barba ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 35/3 babystay
Andrew, how would you adjust it without the track? Joel On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.comwrote: I've got the track for the baby stay on my 40. I'd like to change it for a pad eye and get rid of the track, which impedes lounging. He's anyone else done this? Andy CC 40 Peregrine Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Newport, RI USA02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 On Feb 26, 2013, at 1:48 PM, Alan Bergen alan-at-h...@comcast.net wrote: The babystay serves two purposes. In rough seas, it keeps the mast from pumping. Because of the tree trunk mast, it allows you to bend the mast in heavy air. Some of the 35's have a padeye with a babystay and pelican hook attachment. Others (like mine) have a track so you can adjust the babystay. This is especially important when racing. For instance, in light air, when going downwind and when doing dip pole gybes, you want to release the babystay all the way Alan Bergen CC 35 Mk III Thirsty Rose City YC Portland, OR When I purchased my boat I was told the babystay needs to be rebedded. Do I even need a babystay with that tree trunk of a mast? ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List FYI - found this CC 30 share deal
But it's not!!! Dwight Veinot CC 35 MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight veinot Sent: February 26, 2013 3:11 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List FYI - found this CC 30 share deal Looks like a 30 MKII to me Dwight Veinot CC 35 MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Neil Andersen Sent: February 26, 2013 2:46 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List FYI - found this CC 30 share deal Not a 32 circa 1982. I have one of those and the stern is not swept and the galley is significantly different. Neil FoxFire, 1982 CC 32 Worton Creek MD. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary Nylander Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 1:35 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List FYI - found this CC 30 share deal Definitely not a 30-1, could be a 32 or a 30-2 or a 27-5. Gary - Original Message - From: Joseph Bognar mailto:jbog...@sympatico.ca To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 1:26 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List FYI - found this CC 30 share deal That boat is not a 30 ft CC, It looks like a 32. 30's do not have a swept back transom like that, Joe Bognar 1979 CC 30 In Luff Again 11 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe Sent: February-26-13 12:02 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List FYI - found this CC 30 share deal http://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/3633044380.html I suspect this may be the old Synchronicity. Joe Della Barba _ ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2238 / Virus Database: 2641/5634 - Release Date: 02/26/13 _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2238 / Virus Database: 2641/5634 - Release Date: 02/26/13 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 35/3 babystay
Turnbuckle. I'm not racing, so it can be pretty much fixed in place so the mast has a little prebend. Andy CC 40 Peregrine Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Newport, RI USA02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 On Feb 26, 2013, at 2:05 PM, Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com wrote: Andrew, how would you adjust it without the track? Joel On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.com wrote: I've got the track for the baby stay on my 40. I'd like to change it for a pad eye and get rid of the track, which impedes lounging. He's anyone else done this? Andy CC 40 Peregrine Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Newport, RI USA02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 On Feb 26, 2013, at 1:48 PM, Alan Bergen alan-at-h...@comcast.net wrote: The babystay serves two purposes. In rough seas, it keeps the mast from pumping. Because of the tree trunk mast, it allows you to bend the mast in heavy air. Some of the 35's have a padeye with a babystay and pelican hook attachment. Others (like mine) have a track so you can adjust the babystay. This is especially important when racing. For instance, in light air, when going downwind and when doing dip pole gybes, you want to release the babystay all the way Alan Bergen CC 35 Mk III Thirsty Rose City YC Portland, OR When I purchased my boat I was told the babystay needs to be rebedded. Do I even need a babystay with that tree trunk of a mast? ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List FYI - found this CC 30 share deal
I'll take 29ft for 100 Alex. Tim . Toronto http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=250 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight veinot Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 2:16 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List FYI - found this CC 30 share deal But it's not!!! Dwight Veinot CC 35 MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight veinot Sent: February 26, 2013 3:11 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List FYI - found this CC 30 share deal Looks like a 30 MKII to me Dwight Veinot CC 35 MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Neil Andersen Sent: February 26, 2013 2:46 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List FYI - found this CC 30 share deal Not a 32 circa 1982. I have one of those and the stern is not swept and the galley is significantly different. Neil FoxFire, 1982 CC 32 Worton Creek MD. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary Nylander Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 1:35 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List FYI - found this CC 30 share deal Definitely not a 30-1, could be a 32 or a 30-2 or a 27-5. Gary - Original Message - From: Joseph Bognar mailto:jbog...@sympatico.ca To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 1:26 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List FYI - found this CC 30 share deal That boat is not a 30 ft CC, It looks like a 32. 30's do not have a swept back transom like that, Joe Bognar 1979 CC 30 In Luff Again 11 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe Sent: February-26-13 12:02 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List FYI - found this CC 30 share deal http://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/3633044380.html I suspect this may be the old Synchronicity. Joe Della Barba ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2238 / Virus Database: 2641/5634 - Release Date: 02/26/13 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2238 / Virus Database: 2641/5634 - Release Date: 02/26/13 This e-mail (and attachment(s)) is confidential, proprietary, may be subject to copyright and legal privilege and no related rights are waived. If you are not the intended recipient or its agent, any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail or any of its content is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. All messages may be monitored as permitted by applicable law and regulations and our policies to protect our business. E-mails are not secure and you are deemed to have accepted any risk if you communicate with us by e-mail. If received in error, please notify us immediately and delete the e-mail (and any attachments) from any computer or any storage medium without printing a copy. Ce courriel (ainsi que ses pièces jointes) est confidentiel, exclusif, et peut faire l’objet de droit d’auteur et de privilège juridique; aucun droit connexe n’est exclu. Si vous n’êtes pas le destinataire visé ou son représentant, toute étude, diffusion, transmission ou copie de ce courriel en tout ou en partie, est strictement interdite et peut être illégale. Tous les messages peuvent être surveillés, selon les lois et règlements applicables et les politiques de protection de notre entreprise. Les courriels ne sont pas sécurisés et vous êtes réputés avoir accepté tous les risques qui y sont liés si vous choisissez de communiquer avec nous par ce moyen. Si vous avez reçu ce message par erreur, veuillez nous en aviser immédiatement et supprimer ce courriel (ainsi que toutes ses pièces jointes) de tout ordinateur ou support de données sans en imprimer une copie. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List FYI - found this CC 30 share deal
Its at 29 Mark I model Richard Richard N. Bush Law Offices 235 South Fifth Street, Fourth Floor Louisville, Kentucky 40202 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: Tim Sippel tim.sip...@rci.rogers.com To: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tue, Feb 26, 2013 2:19 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List FYI - found this CC 30 share deal I’ll take 29ft for 100 Alex. Tim . Toronto From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight veinot Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 2:16 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List FYI - found this CC 30 share deal But it’s not!!! Dwight Veinot CC 35 MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight veinot Sent: February 26, 2013 3:11 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List FYI - found this CC 30 share deal Looks like a 30 MKII to me Dwight Veinot CC 35 MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Neil Andersen Sent: February 26, 2013 2:46 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List FYI - found this CC 30 share deal Not a 32 circa 1982. I have one of those and the stern is not swept and the galley is significantly different. Neil FoxFire, 1982 CC 32 Worton Creek MD. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary Nylander Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 1:35 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List FYI - found this CC 30 share deal Definitely not a 30-1, could be a 32 or a 30-2 or a 27-5. Gary - Original Message - From: Joseph Bognar To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 1:26 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List FYI - found this CC 30 share deal That boat is not a 30 ft CC, It looks like a 32. 30’s do not have a swept back transom like that, Joe Bognar 1979 CC 30 In Luff Again 11 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe Sent: February-26-13 12:02 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List FYI - found this CC 30 share deal http://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/3633044380.html I suspect this may be the old Synchronicity. Joe Della Barba ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2238 / Virus Database: 2641/5634 - Release Date: 02/26/13 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2238 / Virus Database: 2641/5634 - Release Date: 02/26/13 This e-mail (and attachment(s)) is confidential, proprietary, may be subject to copyright and legal privilege and no related rights are waived. If you are not the intended recipient or its agent, any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail or any of its content is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. All messages may be monitored as permitted by applicable law and regulations and our policies to protect our business. E-mails are not secure and you are deemed to have accepted any risk if you communicate with us by e-mail. If received in error, please notify us immediately and delete the e-mail (and any attachments) from any computer or any storage medium without printing a copy. Ce courriel (ainsi que ses pièces jointes) est confidentiel, exclusif, et peut faire l’objet de droit d’auteur et de privilège juridique; aucun droit connexe n’est exclu. Si vous n’êtes pas le destinataire visé ou son représentant, toute étude, diffusion, transmission ou copie de ce courriel en tout ou en partie, est strictement interdite et peut être illégale. Tous les messages peuvent être surveillés, selon les lois et règlements applicables et les politiques de protection de notre entreprise. Les courriels ne sont pas sécurisés et vous êtes réputés avoir accepté tous les risques qui y sont liés si vous choisissez de communiquer avec nous par ce moyen. Si vous avez reçu ce message par erreur, veuillez nous en aviser immédiatement et supprimer ce courriel (ainsi que toutes ses pièces jointes) de tout ordinateur ou support de données sans en imprimer une copie. ___ his List is provided by the CC Photo Album ttp://www.cncphotoalbum.com nc-l...@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List FYI - found this CC 30 share deal
I purchased my complete boat for this price. Up keep is hard. it would be better to let someone pay for that on mine too. Appraisel On 2/26/13, Joseph Bognar jbog...@sympatico.ca wrote: That boat is not a 30 ft CC, It looks like a 32. 30's do not have a swept back transom like that, Joe Bognar 1979 CC 30 In Luff Again 11 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe Sent: February-26-13 12:02 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List FYI - found this CC 30 share deal http://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/3633044380.html I suspect this may be the old Synchronicity. Joe Della Barba -- “The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.” ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List FYI - found this CC 30 share deal
Looks more like a 29 On 02/26/13, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: I purchased my complete boat for this price. Up keep is hard. it would be better to let someone pay for that on mine too. Appraisel On 2/26/13, Joseph Bognar jbog...@sympatico.ca wrote: That boat is not a 30 ft CC, It looks like a 32. 30's do not have a swept back transom like that, Joe Bognar 1979 CC 30 In Luff Again 11 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe Sent: February-26-13 12:02 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List FYI - found this CC 30 share deal http://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/3633044380.html I suspect this may be the old Synchronicity. Joe Della Barba -- “The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.” ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Cheers, Jeff Nelson Muir Caileag CC 30 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List FYI - found this CC 30 share deal
Guess I should have read this one On 02/26/13, Richard N. Bush bushma...@aol.com wrote: Its at 29 Mark I model Richard Richard N. Bush Law Offices 235 South Fifth Street, Fourth Floor Louisville, Kentucky 40202 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: Tim Sippel tim.sip...@rci.rogers.com To: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tue, Feb 26, 2013 2:19 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List FYI - found this CC 30 share deal I’ll take 29ft for 100 Alex. Tim . Toronto From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight veinot Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 2:16 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List FYI - found this CC 30 share deal But it’s not!!! Dwight Veinot CC 35 MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight veinot Sent: February 26, 2013 3:11 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List FYI - found this CC 30 share deal Looks like a 30 MKII to me Dwight Veinot CC 35 MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Neil Andersen Sent: February 26, 2013 2:46 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List FYI - found this CC 30 share deal Not a 32 circa 1982. I have one of those and the stern is not swept and the galley is significantly different. Neil FoxFire, 1982 CC 32 Worton Creek MD. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary Nylander Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 1:35 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List FYI - found this CC 30 share deal Definitely not a 30-1, could be a 32 or a 30-2 or a 27-5. Gary - Original Message - From: Joseph Bognar jbog...@sympatico.ca To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 1:26 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List FYI - found this CC 30 share deal That boat is not a 30 ft CC, It looks like a 32. 30’s do not have a swept back transom like that, Joe Bognar 1979 CC 30 In Luff Again 11 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe Sent: February-26-13 12:02 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List FYI - found this CC 30 share deal http://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/3633044380.html I suspect this may be the old Synchronicity. Joe Della Barba ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com(http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/) CnC-List@cnc-list.com No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com(http://www.avg.com/) Version: 2012.0.2238 / Virus Database: 2641/5634 - Release Date: 02/26/13 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com(http://www.avg.com/) Version: 2012.0.2238 / Virus Database: 2641/5634 - Release Date: 02/26/13 This e-mail (and attachment(s)) is confidential, proprietary, may be subject to copyright and legal privilege and no related rights are waived. If you are not the intended recipient or its agent, any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail or any of its content is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. All messages may be monitored as permitted by applicable law and regulations and our policies to protect our business. E-mails are not secure and you are deemed to have accepted any risk if you communicate with us by e-mail. If received in error, please notify us immediately and delete the e-mail (and any attachments) from any computer or any storage medium without printing a copy. Ce courriel (ainsi que ses pièces jointes) est confidentiel, exclusif, et peut faire l’objet de droit d’auteur et de privilège juridique; aucun droit connexe n’est exclu. Si vous n’êtes pas le destinataire visé ou son représentant, toute étude, diffusion, transmission ou copie de ce courriel en tout ou en partie, est strictement interdite et peut être illégale. Tous les messages peuvent être surveillés, selon les lois et règlements applicables et les politiques de protection de notre entreprise. Les courriels ne sont pas sécurisés et vous êtes réputés avoir accepté tous les risques qui y sont liés si vous choisissez de communiquer avec nous par ce moyen. Si vous avez reçu ce message par erreur, veuillez nous en aviser immédiatement et supprimer ce courriel (ainsi que toutes ses pièces jointes) de tout ordinateur ou support
Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker
Yes thanks again Dwight. The latter is the option I intend to take. The fellow owns a similar boat I think it's a CC 30 and gives lessons on it. We have had one private lesson on ours. We will have at least a couple more this season, the spinnaker will be a subject of some if this training but I want to be prepared with whatever accessories are necessary and advisable. And if I'm really not going to need the pole-can get by without it, I'm going to remove it from the boat. Ron On Feb 26, 2013, at 2:07 PM, dwight veinot dwightvei...@hfx.eastlink.ca wrote: No substitute for experience…either get on board another boat and learn more there or better still invite someone with experience to help on your boat if you can…once you know how and when to use your spinnaker you will love it and you will be very pleased with your sailing skills…best of fun to you Dwight Veinot CC 35 MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ron Kaye Sent: February 26, 2013 2:41 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker I appreciate the concern Dwight. Indeed there would be just the two of us most often. I have great respect for these nature forces. Still I would like to use this if possible at least on occasion. I know an experienced sailor we can work with and see how feasible it is. Keeping a close watch on changing conditions I know is important. I also know conditions can change quickly. And when the rain comes it feels like getting hit by hundreds of BBs. Ron On Feb 26, 2013, at 12:28 PM, dwight veinot dwightvei...@hfx.eastlink.ca wrote: You would benefit from the help of skilled crew…no matter how you rig it unless you have the “know how” it could be hard and / or even dangerous to use or get down “when the wind pipes up and things go crazy.” That is a very powerful sail and the lines attached to it and out of control in the wind can hit you like flying hammers Dwight Veinot CC 35 MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ron Kaye Sent: February 26, 2013 1:16 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker Newbie question on this thread. Lisa and I, after much online research on good old boats decided on a 1986 CC mk iii 35 which we bought last October. A boat I can stand up in at last! We sailed it 3 times so far. Previous boats were smaller sloop rig and I've never flown a spinnaker. This one came with a spinnaker and has the pole nicely strapped down on the deck. Previous owner of a dozen years never used the spin and it seemed he thought it was more than he wanted to deal with - a fine somewhat elderly gentleman who cruised with his wife from the Chesapeake bay to the keys a few times and kept his engine spotlessly clean. I don't recall any extra blocks at the bow. I have the spin in a bag and it seems to be in great condition - maybe even new or almost new. It's solid red in color if that means anything - probably not, but maybe vintage 1986? IDK. Asymmetrical cruising type. We don't want to race cause we just don't have time. We will day sail and do some Multi day cruises as we can. We're on the Chesapeake. I want to use the spinnaker this coming season. I just want the thing to pull the boat along DDW (or thereabouts) when we need to and not have it look all goofy or be too hard or dangerous to deal with when wind pipes up and everything goes crazy. Any advice on how to proceed with a newbie KISS approach would be great. Take the pole off the boat and store in the garage for the future owner? Ok. I like the sound of that. Do I need to attach a block near the bow? It seems a sock would be a good addition. Who sells those and what size do I need? Thanks! Ron and Lisa Mr Bop 1986 Mk III 35 On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:21 AM, Pete Shelquist pete.shelqu...@comcast.net wrote: My take down process is the same as Joe’s. One twist when solo; I throw the halyard overboard. Due to drag of the water on the line I pull the chute down vs having it fall in the water. Nice trick and works well whether it’s blowing 5, 15 or whatever. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:13 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising Spinnaker To add: 99% of the time I am doing this in light air under autopilot. If the wind is heavy enough to make the boat squirrely under Otto I’ll use the genoa instead. To lower I’ll usually pop the shackle off the tack and use the sheet to pull the sail into the cockpit. I tend to raise the sail from the mast and then run the halyard aft to lower it from
Re: Stus-List CC 25 shoal draft keel
The owner says he’s only had the boat two years and as far he knows the keel is original. Now that I think of it my ex had a 27 Mk11 (1983 I think) which was a shoal draft keel from the factory. Her’s wasn’t as competitive as the full keel versions. This guy says his boat points well but I don’t know if it has been raced. The boat is at the RVYC marina so it would be easy for me to have a look at it. CHeers From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Mark G Sent: February-24-13 6:30 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 25 shoal draft keel David, Would love to know a little more if you can find out without too much trouble. I'm wondering if he worked with a Nav Arch to make the modification. I noticed that he doesn't mention the mod in the ad, so maybe it was done by a prior owner and he's not aware that it's unusual. Mark - Original Message - From: David Blair dblair...@telus.net To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 16:59:07 - (UTC) Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 25 shoal draft keel That pic is at our yacht club so I may be able to find more information if desired. Not familiar with the boat myself but must be a RVYC member. Ciao From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Mark G Sent: February-23-13 5:58 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List CC 25 shoal draft keel Here's something you don't see too often: a 25 modified with a shoal draft keel: http://www.usedvictoria.com/classified-ad/CC-25-MKII_19134950 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 35/3 babystay
Andrew, Think about using a folding wichard padeye secured above the tie rod from deck to sole. You should have one. David F. Risch (401) 419-4650 (cell) From: a.burton.sai...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 14:02:43 -0500 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List 35/3 babystay I've got the track for the baby stay on my 40. I'd like to change it for a pad eye and get rid of the track, which impedes lounging. He's anyone else done this?AndyCC 40Peregrine Andrew Burton61 W NarragansettNewport, RI USA02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/+401 965-5260 On Feb 26, 2013, at 1:48 PM, Alan Bergen alan-at-h...@comcast.net wrote: The babystay serves two purposes. In rough seas, it keeps the mast from pumping. Because of the tree trunk mast, it allows you to bend the mast in heavy air. Some of the 35's have a padeye with a babystay and pelican hook attachment. Others (like mine) have a track so you can adjust the babystay. This is especially important when racing. For instance, in light air, when going downwind and when doing dip pole gybes, you want to release the babystay all the way Alan Bergen CC 35 Mk III Thirsty Rose City YC Portland, OR When I purchased my boat I was told the babystay needs to be rebedded. Do I even need a babystay with that tree trunk of a mast? ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List FYI - found this CC 30 share deal
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Re: Stus-List More Half-Hull Model Updates
David, Thank you for bringing this up. I appreciate Andrew's concern, although I would not have a problem with him promoting his model-making. It is a very cool skill, and he is a major contributor to the knowledge base that has developed. He is free to set his prices as he sees fit, and a friends and family discount would be cool! Just one guy's opinion! Joel 35/3 Annapolis On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 4:03 PM, David Risch davidrisc...@msn.com wrote: After much activity about the half-hull topic, it became apparent that there is a pent up demand out there. And, in a rather round-about way I found out that our fellow-lister, Andrew Burton, is the half-model maker I/we have been speaking of. It seems Andrew was laying low to avoid taking advantage of the list in a commercial fashion. But he is also of the mindset thanking fellow listers for their advice by offering a substantial discount on their half-hulls. I offered to communicate his dilemma to the group. What say you? I am all for letting Andrew help others. He is, if you remember, also donating the 35-III half hull to Rob Ball. David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List More Half-Hull Model Updates
Thanks, David. I didn't want to abuse the hospitality here by getting all commercial. So here's the deal: For my fellow listers who want a half hull I'll offer a 25% discount on the prices on my web site: tridentstudio.com. Just mention the list when you place your order. Cheers Andy CC 40 Peregrine On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 4:03 PM, David Risch davidrisc...@msn.com wrote: After much activity about the half-hull topic, it became apparent that there is a pent up demand out there. And, in a rather round-about way I found out that our fellow-lister, Andrew Burton, is the half-model maker I/we have been speaking of. It seems Andrew was laying low to avoid taking advantage of the list in a commercial fashion. But he is also of the mindset thanking fellow listers for their advice by offering a substantial discount on their half-hulls. I offered to communicate his dilemma to the group. What say you? I am all for letting Andrew help others. He is, if you remember, also donating the 35-III half hull to Rob Ball. David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Ave Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ phone +401 965 5260 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List FYI - found this CC 30 share deal
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Stus-List Boat buying tips
I am hoping to return to the CC family this season. I have a 1990 34+ in my sights that I will soon have surveyed etc. Does one negotiate the price and then survey or the other way around? I am relatively inexperienced with the buying process, so looking for tips/suggestions on how to proceed. Does one negotiate the price and then survey or the other way around? Can one find out what similar boats have sold for over the past few years? The boat is owned by the brokerage as it was taken in trade on a new boat and I have the impression I can negotiate hard on the price as they want to move it. Are there any specific issues to look out for with the 34+?Are there things I can ask them to do as part of the purchase? For instance, the boat has GPS, but lacks wind/speed instruments. Can installing that be part of the negotiation or does one just figure that kind of thing into the ownership cost? They are not a boat yard, but are associated with one nearby. Also, whose responsibility should it be to get the bottom ready for the new season? Any suggestions welcome. Thanks- Dave David Knecht 50 Farmstead Rd. Storrs, CT 06268 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Boat buying tips
David, Welcome to the list. I would suggest you negotiate a price, then do the survey. If things come up in the survey, you can negotiate down further. As for installation of instruments, I doubt you'll get anywhere with that as the dealer would most likely have to subcontract that work out. For the bottom, you'll want to do that yourself when you're ready to launch. Ask what's on there and know what you can use to paint over it. The 34+ is a well-built boat. I know a few people who have them and they are very happy with the boat's speed and comfort. Good luck. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website On Feb 26, 2013, at 6:10 PM, David Knecht davidakne...@gmail.com wrote: I am hoping to return to the CC family this season. I have a 1990 34+ in my sights that I will soon have surveyed etc. Does one negotiate the price and then survey or the other way around? I am relatively inexperienced with the buying process, so looking for tips/suggestions on how to proceed. Does one negotiate the price and then survey or the other way around? Can one find out what similar boats have sold for over the past few years? The boat is owned by the brokerage as it was taken in trade on a new boat and I have the impression I can negotiate hard on the price as they want to move it. Are there any specific issues to look out for with the 34+?Are there things I can ask them to do as part of the purchase? For instance, the boat has GPS, but lacks wind/speed instruments. Can installing that be part of the negotiation or does one just figure that kind of thing into the ownership cost? They are not a boat yard, but are associated with one nearby. Also, whose responsibility should it be to get the bottom ready for the new season? Any suggestions welcome. Thanks- Dave David Knecht 50 Farmstead Rd. Storrs, CT 06268 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Boat buying tips
David, Ditto the others' advice. Make offer subject to survey. Don't use the broker's surveyor. I personally wouldn't include instruments or bottom. I'd rather deal directly with an instrument installer and a boat yard for the bottom. I wouldn't want the broker in the middle of these if an issue comes up. Further, it allows you to do the research and chose your own instrument installer and/or boat yard. Be advised the instruments may have transducers that need to be installed at haul out anyway. I personally would want to supervise the bottom work and specify the paint, etc. If you're going to do the bottom work immediately after purchase, you might try to escrow some $$ in case there's work the surveyor misses. The broker won't like it. Good luck, Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA From: David Knecht davidakne...@gmail.com To: CnC CnC discussion list CnC-List@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 4:10 PM Subject: Stus-List Boat buying tips I am hoping to return to the CC family this season. I have a 1990 34+ in my sights that I will soon have surveyed etc. Does one negotiate the price and then survey or the other way around? I am relatively inexperienced with the buying process, so looking for tips/suggestions on how to proceed. Does one negotiate the price and then survey or the other way around? Can one find out what similar boats have sold for over the past few years? The boat is owned by the brokerage as it was taken in trade on a new boat and I have the impression I can negotiate hard on the price as they want to move it. Are there any specific issues to look out for with the 34+? Are there things I can ask them to do as part of the purchase? For instance, the boat has GPS, but lacks wind/speed instruments. Can installing that be part of the negotiation or does one just figure that kind of thing into the ownership cost? They are not a boat yard, but are associated with one nearby. Also, whose responsibility should it be to get the bottom ready for the new season? Any suggestions welcome. Thanks- Dave David Knecht 50 Farmstead Rd. Storrs, CT 06268 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Boat buying tips
David, Do your research. Do your own, thorough, preliminary survey. Look at recent market prices. Look at comparable boats and ask yourself why not this one instead. Look at sail inventory, engine, and drive train. The surveyor will probably not perform a detailed engine/drive train survey. Consider paying for and engine survey too. Look at how long the boat has been on the market. Determine how bad you want the boat. Low ball them 10-20% of what you think a fair market price is depending on how bad you want the boat. If they accept then you will get a contract. They will expect ~10% to hold the contract. The contract will prevent the seller from selling out from under you to a higher bidder. During the contract window you can back out at any time up to the closing date. You can't take delivery till the delivery date. Expect about a month from signing to closing and 1-2 weeks after closing for delivery. Everything is negotiable but there is a norm. During the contract window you have to get a survey, insurance and financing. The bank will need the survey and about 2 weeks to approve the loan. If the boat is on the hard leave it till the surveyor has done a bottom inspection. You pay for launch. If in the water pay for a haul and block so that the surveyor can survey the bottom. If it is winterized, get all the systems flushed and ready for operation before the survey. If you back out of the contract you will be responsible for all the costs to put the boat back to the as found condition (re-winterize and launch/haul). As for the bottom you could negotiate it but you'll probably do just as good or better getting you're local yard to do it. Just have to see. The survey may reveal some things to help negotiate a new bottom. Look specifically for the CC smile. The fairing compound around the keel to hull joint can crack if the boat was sailed hard. Some people worry about it, some don't. Some people have spent considerable amounts of money and time fighting it, others just smile back. I haven't found one but I would give priority to a surveyor that is willing to so a survey of the standing rigging aloft as well as one that is willing to verify torque on the keel bolts. Some price reminders are as follows: Rudder rebuild = ~$4000 Any single sail = ~$3000 Max Prop = ~$3000 Max Prop rebuild = ~$1000 Transmission = ~$2000 Engine = ~$5000 Full bottom blister repair = ~$8000 Algrip just the hull = ~$8000 Electronics don't really improve the boat's value. Use some of those prices as a guide for how much you may be in for once the boat is yours. After the survey you will have ammo for lowering your price or negotiating repairs. Remember, if the price to value ratio is too far off, the bank won't finance. This is actually a good reason to use financing even if you were planning on paying cash. The bank may keep you from making a bad emotional decision. They did for me. Let the list know how things go. Good Luck, Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 6:10 PM, David Knecht davidakne...@gmail.comwrote: I am hoping to return to the CC family this season. I have a 1990 34+ in my sights that I will soon have surveyed etc. Does one negotiate the price and then survey or the other way around? I am relatively inexperienced with the buying process, so looking for tips/suggestions on how to proceed. Does one negotiate the price and then survey or the other way around? Can one find out what similar boats have sold for over the past few years? The boat is owned by the brokerage as it was taken in trade on a new boat and I have the impression I can negotiate hard on the price as they want to move it. Are there any specific issues to look out for with the 34+?Are there things I can ask them to do as part of the purchase? For instance, the boat has GPS, but lacks wind/speed instruments. Can installing that be part of the negotiation or does one just figure that kind of thing into the ownership cost? They are not a boat yard, but are associated with one nearby. Also, whose responsibility should it be to get the bottom ready for the new season? Any suggestions welcome. Thanks- Dave David Knecht 50 Farmstead Rd. Storrs, CT 06268 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Want to email me privately? Check out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Privacy_Guard Then get my public key at: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8pEh5lnvP1yU0R5RHBOS2h3MFk/edit ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List FYI - found this CC 30 share deal
Definitely NOT a 32. Leslie (I own one) From: Gary Nylander gnylan...@atlanticbb.net To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 10:35 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List FYI - found this CC 30 share deal Definitely not a 30-1, could be a 32 or a 30-2 or a 27-5. Gary - Original Message - From: Joseph Bognar To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 1:26 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List FYI - found this CC 30 share deal That boat is not a 30 ft CC, It looks like a 32. 30’s do not have a swept back transom like that, Joe Bognar 1979 CC 30 In Luff Again 11 From:CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe Sent: February-26-13 12:02 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List FYI - found this CC 30 share deal http://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/3633044380.html I suspect this may be the old Synchronicity. Joe Della Barba ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 35/3 babystay
Joel, The babystay will keep the mast from pumping in heavy air. If it pumps hard enough, it will invert and then you will lose your mast. I use the babystay in winds over 12-14kts. In light air, it serves no purpose and catches the genoa all the time during tacks. Yes, I rebedded mine. It wasn't hard, just a little tedious. Jake Jake Brodersen CC 35 Mk-III Midnight Mistress Hampton VA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 12:44 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List 35/3 babystay When I purchased my boat I was told the babystay needs to be rebedded. Do I even need a babystay with that tree trunk of a mast? -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 35/3 babystay
I have a short track on the cabin top of my 38 just aft of the foredeck hatch. The original baby stay was a fixed length with a shackle at the bottom that was attached to an old style Schaeffer car. And the car had a 4:1 line adjustment that was lead back to the cockpit. When I rerigged in 2011, I talked to the rigger and my sail maker about updating the track and car and making the baby stay removable. Since I’m not racing regularly, and use an asymmetrical spinnaker for cruising, they recommended I do away with the car altogether and use a fixed baby stay to put prebend in the mast. The tension on the stay also prevents mast pumping in chop. We drilled and tapped the old track at the point where the reinforcement rod goes down through the deck, installed a pad eye on the old track, attached the new baby stay to the pad eye and tensioned it with a turnbuckle. Rick Brass Imzadi -1976 CC 38 mk1 la Belle Aurore -1975 CC 25 mk1 Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Burton Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 2:03 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List 35/3 babystay I've got the track for the baby stay on my 40. I'd like to change it for a pad eye and get rid of the track, which impedes lounging. He's anyone else done this? Andy CC 40 Peregrine Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Newport, RI USA02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 On Feb 26, 2013, at 1:48 PM, Alan Bergen alan-at-h...@comcast.net wrote: The babystay serves two purposes. In rough seas, it keeps the mast from pumping. Because of the tree trunk mast, it allows you to bend the mast in heavy air. Some of the 35's have a padeye with a babystay and pelican hook attachment. Others (like mine) have a track so you can adjust the babystay. This is especially important when racing. For instance, in light air, when going downwind and when doing dip pole gybes, you want to release the babystay all the way Alan Bergen CC 35 Mk III Thirsty Rose City YC Portland, OR When I purchased my boat I was told the babystay needs to be rebedded. Do I even need a babystay with that tree trunk of a mast? ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Boat buying tips
You guys are fabulous and one of the reasons I am excited that the boat we are likely to end up with turns out to be another CC. I really appreciate all the advice. One question from the responses- the sea trial. The boat is on the hard with rig up and engine winterized. It had not occurred to me that we would throw it in the water in February (March by the time this would happen) and go for a motor/sail- it is still pretty cold up here, but it makes sense. I can see the importance of this to run the engine and check the prop (Maxprop), and I like the idea of an engine survey, but what else? It will sail like a CC, so what are the specific goals of the sea trial? I gather that it would then be hauled again and re-winterized? Who pays for the launching, prepping, hauling and re-winterizing? Thanks- Dave David Knecht 50 Farmstead Rd. Storrs, CT 06268 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Boat buying tips
You're almost certainly going to be on the nut for that. If you want to avoid that cost, delay your closing until after spring. commissioning. Or close and keep some kind of holdback pending sea trial. Of course, there are fewer degrees of freedom (for both parties) if you do this. Or, if the only concern is the engine, run it while the boat's still on the hard... Which is probably what I would do. Cheers Colin On 2/26/13, David Knecht davidakne...@gmail.com wrote: You guys are fabulous and one of the reasons I am excited that the boat we are likely to end up with turns out to be another CC. I really appreciate all the advice. One question from the responses- the sea trial. The boat is on the hard with rig up and engine winterized. It had not occurred to me that we would throw it in the water in February (March by the time this would happen) and go for a motor/sail- it is still pretty cold up here, but it makes sense. I can see the importance of this to run the engine and check the prop (Maxprop), and I like the idea of an engine survey, but what else? It will sail like a CC, so what are the specific goals of the sea trial? I gather that it would then be hauled again and re-winterized? Who pays for the launching, prepping, hauling and re-winterizing? Thanks- Dave David Knecht 50 Farmstead Rd. Storrs, CT 06268 -- Sent from my mobile device ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Boat buying tips
David, Just a thought for you. Before owning my CC, my previous boat was an Alberg 37 which I bought while it was in the water at a marina. During negotiations, I insisted on a survey and a sea-trial as conditions of the purchase. We sea-trialed with the surveyor on board and all was fine until we raised sail. No one else felt it, but I felt there was something wrong with the rudder. I felt a strange sort of flexing...I don't know how to describe it better. When we hauled the boat for the second part of the survey, we found a hairline split in the rudder which evidently opened when the rudder was under load. It was so small a crack when there was no load that the surveyor might well have missed it had he not been alerted to the problem by the sea-trial. Armed with this knowledge, I negotiated enough on the price that I was able to have the rudder pulled and completely rebuilt. When the rebuilder took it apart, it was clear that the rudder post had broken loose internally. I only mention this because I think a sea-trial, in addition to an independent survey, should be a part of every boat purchase. Bill Hartman 1985 CC Landfall 39 In a message dated 2/26/2013 9:25:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, davidakne...@gmail.com writes: You guys are fabulous and one of the reasons I am excited that the boat we are likely to end up with turns out to be another CC. I really appreciate all the advice. One question from the responses- the sea trial. The boat is on the hard with rig up and engine winterized. It had not occurred to me that we would throw it in the water in February (March by the time this would happen) and go for a motor/sail- it is still pretty cold up here, but it makes sense. I can see the importance of this to run the engine and check the prop (Maxprop), and I like the idea of an engine survey, but what else? It will sail like a CC, so what are the specific goals of the sea trial? I gather that it would then be hauled again and re-winterized? Who pays for the launching, prepping, hauling and re-winterizing? Thanks- Dave David Knecht 50 Farmstead Rd. Storrs, CT 06268 = ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Boat buying tips
David and I looked for a CC 37/40+ boat for over two years to find the right one for us (condition), and while I agree with the volume of advice you have received, there is one area that wasn't covered. (Please excuse me) We hired a naval architect that performs surveys using a Flir thermal imaging camera so we could look thru the fiberglass at the balsa core. A wet core shows up as a different color. We wanted to make sure that she was the right one in every way. CC makes an awesome boat, their performance has been unsurpassed in racing and cruising from the first 40' we sailed to Block Island in the 70's to our 1983 29 MKII, the C C 99 we crewed/raced on for 5 years, and the 37/40+ we have owned/raced cruised for 1.5 years. Construction is solid compared to other models and in the case of our 1990 vintage, we were pleased to find the thru hulls do not have any balsa core around them. We echo what you have been told in the email strings below but also add that having a surveyor that has a thermal imaging camera is huge. The end result is a boat that points like nobody's business and weather racing or cruising does so beautifully. Good luck to you in your search and negotiations, may you have fair winds... Joanne David Obsession 37/40+ Sent from my iPad On Feb 26, 2013, at 9:24 PM, David Knecht davidakne...@gmail.com wrote: You guys are fabulous and one of the reasons I am excited that the boat we are likely to end up with turns out to be another CC. I really appreciate all the advice. One question from the responses- the sea trial. The boat is on the hard with rig up and engine winterized. It had not occurred to me that we would throw it in the water in February (March by the time this would happen) and go for a motor/sail- it is still pretty cold up here, but it makes sense. I can see the importance of this to run the engine and check the prop (Maxprop), and I like the idea of an engine survey, but what else? It will sail like a CC, so what are the specific goals of the sea trial? I gather that it would then be hauled again and re-winterized? Who pays for the launching, prepping, hauling and re-winterizing? Thanks- Dave David Knecht 50 Farmstead Rd. Storrs, CT 06268 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Babystay adjuster
My 29-2 came with a 4:1 purchase block and tackle baby stay adjuster. It was an option in lieu of the standard equipment fixed babystay with a turnbuckle. I upgraded to a Harken B500 mechanical adjuster, the type where tension can be increased or decreased by inserting a standard winch handle into the unit and cranking a few revolutions. http://www.harken.com/productcategory.aspx?taxid=387 This is a very powerful piece of hardware and will easily work with much larger boats. One of the nice parts about this system is that I can tell any crew member to put exactly the number of turns on the handle that I want. Tension/mast bend settings are easily repeatable. We never have to put more than 10 revolutions on it so it's pretty fast to adjust. I have a snap shackle at the bottom of the adjuster which clips onto the babystay chain plate making it easily removable. Sent from my iPad___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Boat buying tips
The haul and launch are sold as a pair so the previous haul covers the launch. But if you don't buy then you are responsible for putting it back on the hard. Other than that all costs are yours. That's kinda why you want a contract...so that the money you are investing can't be sold out from under you. The owner would normally make the boat ready for sale and sail but in this case the brokerage will get the yard to do it. I would expect that they pay to make it ready but you pay to re-winterize. A good reason for a sea-trial is to run the engine. Running it on the hard is difficult and WILL NOT reveal 100% of the potential problems. You need full throttle runs. I even suggest full throttle while tied to the dock. During this test watch the shaft seal. Watch for black smoke. Listen for vibration. Check for proper alternator current. If the prop is set correctly you probably won't get full RPM (3200-3600), there is just too much load. Once that is complete, motor out and get to full throttle. Now you should be able to get to full rated RPM. Find out what the hull speed is prior to the sea trial. Compare how close you are able to get. A properly adjusted prop will get you to hull speed at about full RPM. Remember all the drive train together could cost more than $10k. Think you don't need an engine? Think again. I was forced to deliver mine 350 miles without one. I needed it! The sea trial also gives a better idea of the sail condition. You can't tell if a sail is blown out until you sail it. You may not find problems with the running rigging or the furler until they are put to use. Electronics might reveal problems too. Depth sounder, auto helm, GPS, radar, speed log. If it has any of these devices, there value is a big fat zero if there is ANY hiccup. Josh Muckley -- Want to email me privately? Check out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Privacy_Guard Then get my public key at: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8pEh5lnvP1yU0R5RHBOS2h3MFk/edit On Feb 26, 2013 9:25 PM, David Knecht davidakne...@gmail.com wrote: You guys are fabulous and one of the reasons I am excited that the boat we are likely to end up with turns out to be another CC. I really appreciate all the advice. One question from the responses- the sea trial. The boat is on the hard with rig up and engine winterized. It had not occurred to me that we would throw it in the water in February (March by the time this would happen) and go for a motor/sail- it is still pretty cold up here, but it makes sense. I can see the importance of this to run the engine and check the prop (Maxprop), and I like the idea of an engine survey, but what else? It will sail like a CC, so what are the specific goals of the sea trial? I gather that it would then be hauled again and re-winterized? Who pays for the launching, prepping, hauling and re-winterizing? Thanks- Dave David Knecht 50 Farmstead Rd. Storrs, CT 06268 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Boat buying tips
You might also want to consider a rigging survey. My surveyor could not see a broken tang. Luckily I had a furler installed, so my rigger saw it before I lost the rig. It was an expensive, unwelcome surprise. Joel Sent from my iPad On Feb 26, 2013, at 10:27 PM, Josh Muckley muckl...@gmail.com wrote: The haul and launch are sold as a pair so the previous haul covers the launch. But if you don't buy then you are responsible for putting it back on the hard. Other than that all costs are yours. That's kinda why you want a contract...so that the money you are investing can't be sold out from under you. The owner would normally make the boat ready for sale and sail but in this case the brokerage will get the yard to do it. I would expect that they pay to make it ready but you pay to re-winterize. A good reason for a sea-trial is to run the engine. Running it on the hard is difficult and WILL NOT reveal 100% of the potential problems. You need full throttle runs. I even suggest full throttle while tied to the dock. During this test watch the shaft seal. Watch for black smoke. Listen for vibration. Check for proper alternator current. If the prop is set correctly you probably won't get full RPM (3200-3600), there is just too much load. Once that is complete, motor out and get to full throttle. Now you should be able to get to full rated RPM. Find out what the hull speed is prior to the sea trial. Compare how close you are able to get. A properly adjusted prop will get you to hull speed at about full RPM. Remember all the drive train together could cost more than $10k. Think you don't need an engine? Think again. I was forced to deliver mine 350 miles without one. I needed it! The sea trial also gives a better idea of the sail condition. You can't tell if a sail is blown out until you sail it. You may not find problems with the running rigging or the furler until they are put to use. Electronics might reveal problems too. Depth sounder, auto helm, GPS, radar, speed log. If it has any of these devices, there value is a big fat zero if there is ANY hiccup. Josh Muckley -- Want to email me privately? Check out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Privacy_Guard Then get my public key at: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8pEh5lnvP1yU0R5RHBOS2h3MFk/edit On Feb 26, 2013 9:25 PM, David Knecht davidakne...@gmail.com wrote: You guys are fabulous and one of the reasons I am excited that the boat we are likely to end up with turns out to be another CC. I really appreciate all the advice. One question from the responses- the sea trial. The boat is on the hard with rig up and engine winterized. It had not occurred to me that we would throw it in the water in February (March by the time this would happen) and go for a motor/sail- it is still pretty cold up here, but it makes sense. I can see the importance of this to run the engine and check the prop (Maxprop), and I like the idea of an engine survey, but what else? It will sail like a CC, so what are the specific goals of the sea trial? I gather that it would then be hauled again and re-winterized? Who pays for the launching, prepping, hauling and re-winterizing? Thanks- Dave David Knecht 50 Farmstead Rd. Storrs, CT 06268 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Boat buying tips
All very good tips. I would add to look thoroughly for a good surveyor. I bet that this list can help. Another source is the Society of Accredited Marine Surveyors (www.marinesurvey.org). I would pick at least a couple and talk to them (interview them). You want to make sure that they are working for you (not the boat owner, not the broker, not the bank). Be prepared that a good survey will cost you (min $500), but this might be one of the better investments in your future boat. I walked away from one boat after the surveyor told me to run as quickly as you can (after he stopped counting blisters at around 150 mark). Theoretically, there is nothing you could not repair in the boat, but the sea trial should show any leaks, how the boat handles, how the sails work, how the motor works. If you look at the price list that was included here before, you would be gambling several $k without one. One extra price item - transporting boat (if you decide to pick another one) is not cheap, either ($1k-5k and more). Good luck. Marek In Ottawa ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List More Half-Hull Model Updates
*sigh*, no 24 half-hulls, the little-un of the family forgotten as usual ;-) Seriously though, the models look great, nice job Andy. On 13-02-26 01:18 PM, Andrew Burton wrote: Thanks, David. I didn't want to abuse the hospitality here by getting all commercial. So here's the deal: For my fellow listers who want a half hull I'll offer a 25% discount on the prices on my web site: tridentstudio.com http://tridentstudio.com. Just mention the list when you place your order. Cheers Andy CC 40 Peregrine On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 4:03 PM, David Risch davidrisc...@msn.com mailto:davidrisc...@msn.com wrote: After much activity about the half-hull topic, it became apparent that there is a pent up demand out there. And, in a rather round-about way I found out that our fellow-lister, Andrew Burton, is the half-model maker I/we have been speaking of. It seems Andrew was laying low to avoid taking advantage of the list in a commercial fashion. But he is also of the mindset thanking fellow listers for their advice by offering a substantial discount on their half-hulls. I offered to communicate his dilemma to the group. What say you? I am all for letting Andrew help others. He is, if you remember, also donating the 35-III half hull to Rob Ball. David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 tel:%28401%29%20419-4650 (cell) ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Ave Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ phone +401 965 5260 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
