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On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Constance Warner cawar...@his.com wrote: If you'll read reviews on cellphone performance in the National Capitol area, you'll find lots of places [including some in the District] where the cellphones of various providers just don't work. Getting a cell signal in parts of Great Falls in Virginia, near McLean and close to the CIA and DC can be difficult, and that is a fairly well populated section of the Virginia suburbs, and even a so-called high rent district. Thank goodness I have an old timey, and some believe obsolete, wired telephone at home here in Fauquier County, VA. During the recent storm electricity was out, cell signals were iffy at best as is usual, complicated even more by snow and blowing wind, and cell phone batteries died, but that old telephone technology just kept on cranking without fail. I even distributed two of those old obsolete phones to neighbors who only had cordless phones that do not work without electric service, and that was down for nearly five days. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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One of the problems with Cell service is that it is hostage to environmental conditions and topography. Go into a hilly area and you have dropouts of cell service. Hills, and stuff cut signal. Cities also have problems with buildings causing drop offs. Many cell companies have to increase their antennas in cities to get good coverage. But then you can place them atop buildings and get better coverage. In my are it is military posts that limit some signal coverage. Not only are we dealing with federal land, but also extensive flying are that must have permission to put anything that sticks up into the air. Until we get over some of those limitations it will be difficult. When Katrina hit New Orleans, we had problems communicating with our people in the NO area by voice. However SMS worked amazingly well. Takes up a lot less bandwidth. (And is a cash cow for cell companies.) Stewart At 09:40 AM 2/11/2010, you wrote: Getting a cell signal in parts of Great Falls in Virginia, near McLean and close to the CIA and DC can be difficult, and that is a fairly well populated section of the Virginia suburbs, and even a so-called high rent district. Thank goodness I have an old timey, and some believe obsolete, wired telephone at home here in Fauquier County, VA. During the recent storm electricity was out, cell signals were iffy at best as is usual, complicated even more by snow and blowing wind, and cell phone batteries died, but that old telephone technology just kept on cranking without fail. I even distributed two of those old obsolete phones to neighbors who only had cordless phones that do not work without electric service, and that was down for nearly five days. Steve Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Feb 6, 2010, at 12:52 AM, Constance Warner wrote: Does it matter what provider? I don't have underground service and I can't afford to switch. It's not a huge loss--I certainly don't lose any sleep over it. The main point is that cell/wireless service isn't as good or as universally available as it's cracked up to be, even in an area that's wired to the gills and that has lots of affluent customers willing to pay for high-end service. My point is that you have to pick a pretty extreme case to prove your point. I'm paying about $5 a month, hardly an affluent price for high end service. I rarely encounter a dead zone. I'm more likely to have no service because I forgot to recharge my cell phone. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Does it matter what provider? I don't have underground service and I can't afford to switch. It's not a huge loss--I certainly don't lose any sleep over it. The main point is that cell/wireless service isn't as good or as universally available as it's cracked up to be, even in an area that's wired to the gills and that has lots of affluent customers willing to pay for high-end service. My point is that you have to pick a pretty extreme case to prove your point. I'm paying about $5 a month, hardly an affluent price for high end service. I rarely encounter a dead zone. I'm more likely to have no service because I forgot to recharge my cell phone. I have T-Mobile. Walking around the middle of DC with my son, there were plenty of places where I had either no reception or almost no reception, probably because of the frequency and large buildings. He has an iPhone. He often drives to/from friends places in Georgetown or Alexandria, and calls me along the way [hands free]. I can tell exactly where he is from the times his phone drops calls. It's in exactly the same place each time. There's another DC dead zone, I think along Rhode Island Avenue. Also depends on your phone. If you're not using a Nokia phone, you'll probably find more places with little or no reception. There's no perfect network, and few in the US come close to the amazing coverage I get here, http://is.gd/7Poni, or even here, http://is.gd/7PprD. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Feb 6, 2010, at 1:47 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: I have T-Mobile... There's another DC dead zone, I think along Rhode Island Avenue. Curious. I also have T-Mobile. My office is on Rhode Island Ave. No dead zone. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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How often do you wander over 60 miles from your home base? Stewart At 11:49 AM 2/6/2010, you wrote: On Feb 6, 2010, at 12:52 AM, Constance Warner wrote: Does it matter what provider? I don't have underground service and I can't afford to switch. It's not a huge loss--I certainly don't lose any sleep over it. The main point is that cell/wireless service isn't as good or as universally available as it's cracked up to be, even in an area that's wired to the gills and that has lots of affluent customers willing to pay for high-end service. My point is that you have to pick a pretty extreme case to prove your point. I'm paying about $5 a month, hardly an affluent price for high end service. I rarely encounter a dead zone. I'm more likely to have no service because I forgot to recharge my cell phone. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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b_s-wilk wrote: I have T-Mobile... There's another DC dead zone, I think along Rhode Island Avenue. Curious. I also have T-Mobile. My office is on Rhode Island Ave. No dead zone. The area is a couple of miles north of there, closer to where RI Av merges with Baltimore Av, in a residential neighborhood. Oh, way out there? Tom thinks that is the boonies. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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The area is a couple of miles north of there, closer to where RI Av merges with Baltimore Av, in a residential neighborhood. No problems with access on R.I. Ave NW, I'm at 15th and R.I. in the District. My only issue is no satellite TV, due to line of sight, and no FiOS. I'm not likely to get FiOS soon anyway. All of the cable is in underground conduit which is lovely from an appearance perspective (none of my utilities went off in the snowstorm) but lousy from an upgrade perspective. As far as wireless I'm not an expert on that. Every wireless device I have here works to spec. And that would be very few wireless devices. A phone, and that's it. I know you may not credit this, but as far as technology I'm a very conservative person. I prefer tested state of the art solutions vice things that only work part of the time. And that is what you are talking about. Things that only work part of the time. It has to work all the time for me to accept it. - Original Message - From: b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb I have T-Mobile... There's another DC dead zone, I think along Rhode Island Avenue. Curious. I also have T-Mobile. My office is on Rhode Island Ave. No dead zone. The area is a couple of miles north of there, closer to where RI Av merges with Baltimore Av, in a residential neighborhood. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Agree with the Nokia comment, and also suggest another obscure place where network reception surpasses by far anything in the US. Worth a thought.. http://maps.google.com/maps?q=walbrzych,+poland,+europe --- On Sat, 2/6/10, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: From: b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es Subject: Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 1:47 PM Also depends on your phone. If you're not using a Nokia phone, you'll probably find more places with little or no reception. There's no perfect network, and few in the US come close to the amazing coverage I get here, http://is.gd/7Poni, or even here, http://is.gd/7PprD. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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The only problem with Apples model is that it takes all choice away from the consumer and gives Apple the ability to tell you what is safe and secure according to the,. In re listening to the broadcast this morning I remember one quote. It is interesting to note that Apple has changed its name to Apple Inc. and dropped computer. Stewart At 01:40 PM 2/4/2010, you wrote: If you don't want safe and secure you can go buy an Android phone. That is how you choose. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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They have been noting that for years. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote: It is interesting to note that Apple has changed its name to Apple Inc. and dropped computer. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Brilliant post, Betty. I wonder how many millions sit on the sideline, awaiting an iPhone for the rest of us. I have no quarrel with Apple preserving its control over apps, fine. It will be interesting to see, once the contract with ATT is ended, whether Apple will make its device more universal, allowing exchangeable sim cards. Do that, and the iPhone becomes a monster, rivaling Nokia in its best years. Perhaps the iPad might follow suit, rendering the comparative discussion with other similar platforms moot. But, hey, I'm not holding my breath. Wireless appears to be the new received wisdom. --- On Thu, 2/4/10, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: From: b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es Subject: Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 1:34 PM The iPhone was a step backwards, missing essential features. While the OS is very user-friendly, its ties to one network are troublesome. I understand that when you unlock a US version iPhone, some important features break, even with ATT. It has limited storage, while other companies realize that limiting storage by the size of a card instead of installed memory is better than wasting a lot of time storing data online where it may not be available at all times, especially when you need it. The iPad is another step backwards because it isn't compatible with other US GSM networks. Apple is making their portable devices more closed than their computers by limiting the applications that can be used on them. Of course, there are over 100,000 iPhone apps, does Apple have to approve each one? Why not simply say 'application source untrusted' instead and let users choose. Do the MacBook Pro notebooks still have USB and FireWire? Lack of FireWire has driven people from MacBooks to the Pro notebooks. Wired transfer is often more reliable than wireless. What's wrong with wires? Is it an aesthetic thing instead of anything to do with operability? Steve Jobs is all about aesthetics over utility--both together will be better. If you have to go to a computer with iTunes to change the data on an iPad, what difference does it make if it's with or without wires? Yes, you can download apps, or upload data [I assume], but ultimately a computer is involved. Is increased use of wireless safe to our health? or our wallets? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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There has been much talk about the Iphone coming onto the Verizon network, but with the introduction of the Ipad and it's being tied into the ATT network it looks like a dead issue. I don't want to get into an argument over Verizon/ATT but opening it up to more networks seems to be the key. I will be honest, if it came to the Verizon network in the next 6 months I might jump on it. But I need Verizon where I live to get good coverage. ATT does not cut it. (That is not from me but from ATT customers, and Altell soon to be ATT customers) Especially if they sold it at the $99.00 mark, I am due for a new phone in the next month! Stewart At 09:40 AM 2/5/2010, you wrote: Brilliant post, Betty. I wonder how many millions sit on the sideline, awaiting an iPhone for the rest of us. I have no quarrel with Apple preserving its control over apps, fine. It will be interesting to see, once the contract with ATT is ended, whether Apple will make its device more universal, allowing exchangeable sim cards. Do that, and the iPhone becomes a monster, rivaling Nokia in its best years. Perhaps the iPad might follow suit, rendering the comparative discussion with other similar platforms moot. But, hey, I'm not holding my breath. Wireless appears to be the new received wisdom. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I read that Apple had talks with ATT and with Verizon, but ATT out bid Verizon. I think Apple agrees with your premise; exclusive provider can't get them the market share they want. So I think it is a matter of when, not if. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- There has been much talk about the Iphone coming onto the Verizon network, but with the introduction of the Ipad and it's being tied into the ATT network it looks like a dead issue. I don't want to get into an argument over Verizon/ATT but opening it up to more networks seems to be the key. I will be honest, if it came to the Verizon network in the next 6 months I might jump on it. But I need Verizon where I live to get good coverage. ATT does not cut it. (That is not from me but from ATT customers, and Altell soon to be ATT customers) Especially if they sold it at the $99.00 mark, I am due for a new phone in the next month! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I got a netbook last fall, and carry it with me when I have to take my wife to the doctor etc. I usually have no connectivity anywhere as I do not carry a separate data plan for wireless. There is no such thing as a public wifi here. I agree with you Betty, it is not a viable option for many folks unless you live in a dense, high urban area. The problem is no one usually looks at that problem, they ignore it, as we are not the income levels, nor the interest levels for them,!!! Stewart At 10:13 AM 2/5/2010, you wrote: Mike, you mentioned the cloud. I rarely consider it since I don't live, work or travel where it's universally available. The discussion began with the iPad and connectivity. The iPad has no USB except through the dock port, which could be good or bad depending on individual use. Then it merged with another topic about Apple restricting use of USB for one of its iPhone/Touch apps. They're related in that restrictions of USB limit user choices, whether a user chooses the newest tech or horse and buggy. The choices exist now. Apple doesn't like those choices. I don't care about floppy disks or Zip or parallel ports. However it's important to consider that there are large areas even in densely populated northeastern US that are cellular and WiFi dead zones. Where I live it's a Verizon and T-Mobile dead zone; ATT users get one bar, on a good day; don't know any Sprint users nearby. More of the country is like it is here than not, with one or more cellular networks unavailable, with almost no available public WiFi. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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You are changing the parameters to win an argument. No one, least of all me said use the cloud for backup. We are specifically talking about cell phones... Mike, you mentioned the cloud. I rarely consider it since I don't live, work or travel where it's universally available. The discussion began with the iPad and connectivity. The iPad has no USB except through the dock port, which could be good or bad depending on individual use. Then it merged with another topic about Apple restricting use of USB for one of its iPhone/Touch apps. They're related in that restrictions of USB limit user choices, whether a user chooses the newest tech or horse and buggy. The choices exist now. Apple doesn't like those choices. I don't care about floppy disks or Zip or parallel ports. However it's important to consider that there are large areas even in densely populated northeastern US that are cellular and WiFi dead zones. Where I live it's a Verizon and T-Mobile dead zone; ATT users get one bar, on a good day; don't know any Sprint users nearby. More of the country is like it is here than not, with one or more cellular networks unavailable, with almost no available public WiFi. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Feb 5, 2010, at 11:25 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: There is no such thing as a public wifi here. You really don't have a McDonalds nearby? Unbelievable! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Feb 4, 2010, at 3:04 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: The only problem with Apples model is that it takes all choice away from the consumer and gives Apple the ability to tell you what is safe and secure according to the,. Not true. You can always buy a malware infested Droid. Their capabilities are very much like Apple's except they don't have an app review process. Your choice. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Tom serious question how far out of DC have you traveled and have you ever spent an appreciable amount of time in the midwest? Stewart At 01:35 PM 2/5/2010, you wrote: I seriously doubt that there are large areas even in densely populated northeastern US that are cellular and WiFi dead zones. The only dead zones I have encountered have been underground and in heavily shielded buildings. And those areas are in the process of getting wired. I'm sorry if you can't get G3 in Death Valley, but you really should not live there. If you still choose to do so due to other benefits, that is a free choice you are making. Limited resources should be directed at improving services in areas where there are actual people using them. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I can only hope but the longer they hold out the less of a chance of folks being eager to get it. There is another Motorola Android being introduced in March by Verizon. Plus with the intro of the Ipad, they are again tying themselves into a network that cannot (according to ATT) handle the traffic generated. The agreement on the Iphone is up this year and there has been a lot of talk, but nothing appears on the horizon yet. Stewart At 10:43 AM 2/5/2010, you wrote: I read that Apple had talks with ATT and with Verizon, but ATT out bid Verizon. I think Apple agrees with your premise; exclusive provider can't get them the market share they want. So I think it is a matter of when, not if. Thank you, Mark Snyder Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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So you are stating (I am just trying to be clear) that Android out the door is a malware infested OS. And that apple limits the apps for their Iphone because it is so easy to hack? Just want to be clear here. Stewart At 01:53 PM 2/5/2010, you wrote: On Feb 4, 2010, at 3:04 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: The only problem with Apples model is that it takes all choice away from the consumer and gives Apple the ability to tell you what is safe and secure according to the,. Not true. You can always buy a malware infested Droid. Their capabilities are very much like Apple's except they don't have an app review process. Your choice. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Feb 5, 2010, at 3:02 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: So you are stating (I am just trying to be clear) that Android out the door is a malware infested OS. And that apple limits the apps for their Iphone because it is so easy to hack? Just want to be clear here. You just made that up. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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It's crazy stuff like this that makes it impossible to believe anything you say. You've admitted you don't use an iPhone or any kind of smartphone yet you are full of 'facts'. Then when you may actually have a point, we are left to wonder id its true or just more Tom troll. On Feb 5, 2010 12:59 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Feb 4, 2010, at 3:04 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: The only problem with Apples model is t... Not true. You can always buy a malware infested Droid. Their capabilities are very much like Apple's except they don't have an app review process. Your choice. * ** List info, subscrip... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Tom you may or may not believe this, but yes I do have a Mickey D's close by but they have not installed free WIFI yet. I anticipate them to be the last among McD's to install it. Stewart At 01:37 PM 2/5/2010, you wrote: On Feb 5, 2010, at 11:25 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: There is no such thing as a public wifi here. You really don't have a McDonalds nearby? Unbelievable! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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No Tom I learned it from you. :-) Stewart At 02:33 PM 2/5/2010, you wrote: On Feb 5, 2010, at 3:02 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: So you are stating (I am just trying to be clear) that Android out the door is a malware infested OS. And that apple limits the apps for their Iphone because it is so easy to hack? Just want to be clear here. You just made that up. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Feb 5, 2010, at 5:02 PM, mike wrote: It's crazy stuff like this that makes it impossible to believe anything you say. You've admitted you don't use an iPhone or any kind of smartphone yet you are full of 'facts'. Then when you may actually have a point, we are left to wonder id its true or just more Tom troll There you go again. When you are wrong on the facts to start attacking people. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Back up what you are talking about. A link..something. On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 6:41 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Feb 5, 2010, at 5:02 PM, mike wrote: It's crazy stuff like this that makes it impossible to believe anything you say. You've admitted you don't use an iPhone or any kind of smartphone yet you are full of 'facts'. Then when you may actually have a point, we are left to wonder id its true or just more Tom troll There you go again. When you are wrong on the facts to start attacking people. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Feb 5, 2010, at 4:31 PM, Constance Warner wrote: I've got a national provider and I'm still waiting for access in the subway. No plans for wiring Metro yet, AFAIK. I can't even get digital roaming. I can't afford to switch, because the plan I have is one of the few for which you don't sign a contract--if I cease to be able to pay for it, I certainly can't afford a cancellation fee. What provider? I've got T-Mobile and as of the Fall I've now got underground service at the major underground stations and they are adding stations at a steady pace. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Does it matter what provider? I don't have underground service and I can't afford to switch. It's not a huge loss--I certainly don't lose any sleep over it. The main point is that cell/wireless service isn't as good or as universally available as it's cracked up to be, even in an area that's wired to the gills and that has lots of affluent customers willing to pay for high-end service. On Feb 5, 2010, at 10:36 PM, t.piwowar wrote: On Feb 5, 2010, at 4:31 PM, Constance Warner wrote: I've got a national provider and I'm still waiting for access in the subway. No plans for wiring Metro yet, AFAIK. I can't even get digital roaming. I can't afford to switch, because the plan I have is one of the few for which you don't sign a contract--if I cease to be able to pay for it, I certainly can't afford a cancellation fee. What provider? I've got T-Mobile and as of the Fall I've now got underground service at the major underground stations and they are adding stations at a steady pace. ** *** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** ** *** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Alas, Reverend, I could not stop work to listen and would much appreciate a summary! Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- No but I am not going to get into a shouting match with you either. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 12:21 AM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Studding the iPad with obsolescent ports is not a good thing. My wanting better interchange is not an appeal for more ports. The built-in 802.11n should be entirely sufficient. Studded, no. No one here but yourself has mentioned festooning the iPad with ports. USB is pretty much universal and clearly not obsolete in spite of your insistence that it is. Personally, I like FireWire, but it is not nearly as popular or as widely used, yet still not obsolete. Why do you say that current interface ports, still being used by almost every computer user and still being manufactured in large quantities and suppled on most computers, are already obsolete? I believe that your assertions along these lines do not comport with the definition of the word obsolete. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Feb 4, 2010, at 8:16 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Why do you say that current interface ports, still being used by almost every computer user and still being manufactured in large quantities and suppled on most computers, are already obsolete? I believe that your assertions along these lines do not comport with the definition of the word obsolete. I think I wrote obsolescent which is short of obsolete. I think we need to be keenly aware of what's happening. The latest iMac comes with a wireless keyboard and a wireless mouse and a wireless network. It still has many of those old ports in the back. And I would expect a desktop computer to have them. However, the iPad is not a desktop computer. It should not be configured like one. I think what Apple did is very appropriate for a new type of device. In terms of interoperability, Apple made a radical and interesting simplification. Apple is not going to let any malware crash its iPad. The way Apple has arranged things, the most an app can do is to go down in flames in isolation -- the rest of the device will keep on ticking. I can see how that is a good thing. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Feb 4, 2010, at 1:43 AM, Constance Warner wrote: And, as the participants pointed out, without having the device in hand, there's not a lot you CAN say about the iPad [and similar yet- to-be released devices] in a public forum on the radio, without looking silly. I don't agree. The iPhone gives us some great clues and all the revolutionary changes it brought will still hold. Add to this the Time Inc., YouTube video of what SI would look like on an iPad. Also add what we have seen with the Kindle. And the current problems of the news and media industry. I don't think it requires much of a stretch of the imagination to see that the iPad is going to be a very interesting device. And speaking of silly--the Frontline program on the Digital Revolution (or whatever) on WETA last night. I agree that looking things up on Google is a lot faster than looking them up in the encyclopedia, and texting to your friends is a little faster than talking on the phone, but will we have a whole new type of human being, just because a lot of middle-class people have bought wireless plans and carry smartphones? Because students cheat by downloading a plot synopsis of Romeo and Juliet instead of getting it from Cliff's Notes? I have not watched it yet, but I wonder if you are missing the major qualitative changes that even a small change in technology can achieve. Cell phones give ubiquitous connectivity. The ability to reach out to people at any time from any place changes how we organize our daily lives. Add to this mix Apple's apps innovation and you not have the same ubiquitous ability to reach data. Add to this GPS and you can become aware of your environment in a way that is wholly different. This is a big deal. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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At 09:03 AM 2/4/2010, you wrote: I don't agree. The iPhone gives us some great clues and all the revolutionary changes it brought will still hold. Add to this the Time Inc., YouTube video of what SI would look like on an iPad. Also add what we have seen with the Kindle. And the current problems of the news and media industry. I don't think it requires much of a stretch of the imagination to see that the iPad is going to be a very interesting device. This is something they mentioned as good and bad. The control that the device has can get bigger. The fiasco with Amazon being able to get into the Kindle and remove books was listed as one of those areas of control. Also being able to determine what content will and will not be allowed. Control is being ceded to the seller of technology and not held by the owner (lessee) of the technology. This was one of the problems they cited with the introduction of the Ipad. Also the incompatibility of all the formats right now is a another problem. Each one uses a different format. No conclcusions just some observations. Stewart * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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The logical conclusion of all this is bad for the consumer. Will we need an e-reader for each publishing house? If I have a kindle, can I transfer those book to an iPad? I'd guess not...which means I never bought books...I bought a right to read them on an e-reader. Are we headed to the same head banging against the wall fight we've had the last few years over MP3 drm but now with ebooks? No one ever learns. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote: At 09:03 AM 2/4/2010, you wrote: I don't agree. The iPhone gives us some great clues and all the revolutionary changes it brought will still hold. Add to this the Time Inc., YouTube video of what SI would look like on an iPad. Also add what we have seen with the Kindle. And the current problems of the news and media industry. I don't think it requires much of a stretch of the imagination to see that the iPad is going to be a very interesting device. This is something they mentioned as good and bad. The control that the device has can get bigger. The fiasco with Amazon being able to get into the Kindle and remove books was listed as one of those areas of control. Also being able to determine what content will and will not be allowed. Control is being ceded to the seller of technology and not held by the owner (lessee) of the technology. This was one of the problems they cited with the introduction of the Ipad. Also the incompatibility of all the formats right now is a another problem. Each one uses a different format. No conclcusions just some observations. Stewart * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Yes, with the iPad Jobs is attempting a wireless, portable device paradigm change. Well worth watching to see how Apple goes about it. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- I don't agree. The iPhone gives us some great clues and all the revolutionary changes it brought will still hold. Add to this the Time Inc., YouTube video of what SI would look like on an iPad. Also add what we have seen with the Kindle. And the current problems of the news and media industry. I don't think it requires much of a stretch of the imagination to see that the iPad is going to be a very interesting device. snip I have not watched it yet, but I wonder if you are missing the major qualitative changes that even a small change in technology can achieve. Cell phones give ubiquitous connectivity. The ability to reach out to people at any time from any place changes how we organize our daily lives. Add to this mix Apple's apps innovation and you not have the same ubiquitous ability to reach data. Add to this GPS and you can become aware of your environment in a way that is wholly different. This is a big deal. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Well it's hardly a paradigm change, Jobs is doing what other devices have already done before him..and some would argue better. The kindle comes with free wireless, you can download books anywhere for free. Apple is simply doing what they have done for years, take existing products and trying to make them better. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Yes, with the iPad Jobs is attempting a wireless, portable device paradigm change. Well worth watching to see how Apple goes about it. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- I don't agree. The iPhone gives us some great clues and all the revolutionary changes it brought will still hold. Add to this the Time Inc., YouTube video of what SI would look like on an iPad. Also add what we have seen with the Kindle. And the current problems of the news and media industry. I don't think it requires much of a stretch of the imagination to see that the iPad is going to be a very interesting device. snip I have not watched it yet, but I wonder if you are missing the major qualitative changes that even a small change in technology can achieve. Cell phones give ubiquitous connectivity. The ability to reach out to people at any time from any place changes how we organize our daily lives. Add to this mix Apple's apps innovation and you not have the same ubiquitous ability to reach data. Add to this GPS and you can become aware of your environment in a way that is wholly different. This is a big deal. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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If you look for obvious revolutionary new, you will not see the impact. Jobs gave us a clue: standing on their shoulders. His intent, I believe is to change how consumers, maybe businesses as well, view the hand held, wireless and portable device market by putting it together to add more value. Don't know how it will play out, but I will be watching to see what Apple does and how they do it. I am not dismissing it, as you seem to be Mike, because I think watching will be fun and I will learn from it. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Well it's hardly a paradigm change, Jobs is doing what other devices have already done before him..and some would argue better. The kindle comes with free wireless, you can download books anywhere for free. Apple is simply doing what they have done for years, take existing products and trying to make them better. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Yes, with the iPad Jobs is attempting a wireless, portable device paradigm change. Well worth watching to see how Apple goes about it. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- I don't agree. The iPhone gives us some great clues and all the revolutionary changes it brought will still hold. Add to this the Time Inc., YouTube video of what SI would look like on an iPad. Also add what we have seen with the Kindle. And the current problems of the news and media industry. I don't think it requires much of a stretch of the imagination to see that the iPad is going to be a very interesting device. snip I have not watched it yet, but I wonder if you are missing the major qualitative changes that even a small change in technology can achieve. Cell phones give ubiquitous connectivity. The ability to reach out to people at any time from any place changes how we organize our daily lives. Add to this mix Apple's apps innovation and you not have the same ubiquitous ability to reach data. Add to this GPS and you can become aware of your environment in a way that is wholly different. This is a big deal. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Feb 4, 2010, at 1:34 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: What's wrong with wires? What's wrong with horse-drawn carriages? And it kept an army of poop scoopers employed. We need those jobs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Feb 4, 2010, at 1:34 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: Apple is making their portable devices more closed than their computers by limiting the applications that can be used on them. Of course, there are over 100,000 iPhone apps, does Apple have to approve each one? Why not simply say 'application source untrusted' instead and let users choose. If you don't want safe and secure you can go buy an Android phone. That is how you choose. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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And some of us will brave the big bold outside world and get out of Apple's walled garden. And we are rewarded. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 12:40 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Feb 4, 2010, at 1:34 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: Apple is making their portable devices more closed than their computers by limiting the applications that can be used on them. Of course, there are over 100,000 iPhone apps, does Apple have to approve each one? Why not simply say 'application source untrusted' instead and let users choose. If you don't want safe and secure you can go buy an Android phone. That is how you choose. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I sort of agree with the storage aspect, but that is relative also...to some 4 gigs is enough, others want 64 gigs and that still isn't enough. With cloud based services many things can be left on the net and accessed as needed from an iphone or android etc. I keep a lot of pictures on sugarsync so it doesn't take up storage on my phone even though I have a 16 gig card in my phone. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 11:34 AM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: The iPhone was a step backwards, missing essential features. While the OS is very user-friendly, its ties to one network are troublesome. I understand that when you unlock a US version iPhone, some important features break, even with ATT. It has limited storage, while other companies realize that limiting storage by the size of a card instead of installed memory is better than wasting a lot of time storing data online where it may not be available at all times, especially when you need it. The iPad is another step backwards because it isn't compatible with other US GSM networks. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Since when is Apple's marketing strategy based on fear? Beauty, utility, but fear? This is something new that has nothing to do with being different or innovative. And some of us will brave the big bold outside world and get out of Apple's walled garden. And we are rewarded. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 12:40 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Feb 4, 2010, at 1:34 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: Apple is making their portable devices more closed than their computers by limiting the applications that can be used on them. Of course, there are over 100,000 iPhone apps, does Apple have to approve each one? Why not simply say 'application source untrusted' instead and let users choose. If you don't want safe and secure you can go buy an Android phone. That is how you choose. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I think Apple has been smart to stay away from big productions about Apple being 'safer' than windows even if they are. It presents a bad image and negativity overall. I think it is implied in their ease of use advertising etc. Tom is really the only one using fear to try and drive Apple sales. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 4:20 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: Since when is Apple's marketing strategy based on fear? Beauty, utility, but fear? This is something new that has nothing to do with being different or innovative. And some of us will brave the big bold outside world and get out of Apple's walled garden. And we are rewarded. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 12:40 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Feb 4, 2010, at 1:34 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: Apple is making their portable devices more closed than their computers by limiting the applications that can be used on them. Of course, there are over 100,000 iPhone apps, does Apple have to approve each one? Why not simply say 'application source untrusted' instead and let users choose. If you don't want safe and secure you can go buy an Android phone. That is how you choose. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Feb 4, 2010, at 6:31 PM, mike wrote: Tom is really the only one using fear to try and drive Apple sales. Mike will say just about anything to advance his far-out agenda. Now taking good care of one's clients has morphed into selling fear. The logical conclusion is that the buggier and infested an operating system is the more Mike will praise it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Feb 4, 2010, at 6:20 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: Since when is Apple's marketing strategy based on fear? Beauty, utility, but fear? This is something new that has nothing to do with being different or innovative. That is quite a logical leap. Suddenly you don't approve of computers that are not buggy. Tonight's Marketplace had a great commentary on this topic... Apple looks ahead by ditching Flash http://marketplace.publicradio.org/display/web/2010/02/04/pm-manjoo-commentary/ Apple has said that Flash is riddled with errors. In other words, Steve Jobs isn't going to ruin his pristine machine just so you can watch Hulu. Apple could also be making a wise bet about the future of the Web. Many Web browsers are adopting a new standard to make Web sites interactive -- HTML5. Jobs has a track record of knowing when technologies are on the way out. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Well it's a good thing logic never stops you, we are all entertained the more for it. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 4:54 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Feb 4, 2010, at 6:31 PM, mike wrote: Tom is really the only one using fear to try and drive Apple sales. Mike will say just about anything to advance his far-out agenda. Now taking good care of one's clients has morphed into selling fear. The logical conclusion is that the buggier and infested an operating system is the more Mike will praise it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 13:24:55 -0800, mike escribió: I sort of agree with the storage aspect, but that is relative also...to some 4 gigs is enough, others want 64 gigs and that still isn't enough. With cloud based services many things can be left on the net and accessed as needed from an iphone or android etc. I keep a lot of pictures on sugarsync so it doesn't take up storage on my phone even though I have a 16 gig card in my phone. There you go with that cloud nonsense. Fine if you live, work and travel only where there's reliable, affordable broadband, but that's not most of the country--or the world. The cloud is not a good place for data that you need to access at any time. I've had to rely on remote servers that done me wrong for too many years. Don't trust them. Never did. No reason to rely on them in the near or not-so-near future. Have you ever lost data on a remote server? Have you ever stored important data that you couldn't access because the network wasn't available or the server was down? Still happens often enough not to rely on the cloud. Andy Ihnatko says of backups, If it doesn't exist in 3 places, it doesn't exist. Using the cloud for backup is like a 3-legged stool with one leg [the cloud] taped together with one layer of paper tape. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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You are changing the parameters to win an argument. No one, least of all me said use the cloud for backup. We are specifically talking about cell phones...devices that by their nature need access to the network to work. I'm not putting my dissertation on google docs and trying to access it with my iphone..I'm talking about the ability if you have a device with only 8 gigs of storage, to keep pictures you might want to see once in awhile on a server accessible by your phone. Not back them up there, just toss them there in case you want to bore your friends with your kid dressed as superman. http://twitpic.com/u7kyz On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:09 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 13:24:55 -0800, mike escribió: I sort of agree with the storage aspect, but that is relative also...to some 4 gigs is enough, others want 64 gigs and that still isn't enough. With cloud based services many things can be left on the net and accessed as needed from an iphone or android etc. I keep a lot of pictures on sugarsync so it doesn't take up storage on my phone even though I have a 16 gig card in my phone. There you go with that cloud nonsense. Fine if you live, work and travel only where there's reliable, affordable broadband, but that's not most of the country--or the world. The cloud is not a good place for data that you need to access at any time. I've had to rely on remote servers that done me wrong for too many years. Don't trust them. Never did. No reason to rely on them in the near or not-so-near future. Have you ever lost data on a remote server? Have you ever stored important data that you couldn't access because the network wasn't available or the server was down? Still happens often enough not to rely on the cloud. Andy Ihnatko says of backups, If it doesn't exist in 3 places, it doesn't exist. Using the cloud for backup is like a 3-legged stool with one leg [the cloud] taped together with one layer of paper tape. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I think perhaps it's just that I see the ipod touch/iphone as the start of the revolution and you may see the ipad as the start. Either way, Apple is leading the charge on this again as they did on mp3, I just hope the content wars over ipads/kindles/tablets don't cause more casualties on the customer side, gaining 'innovation' at the cost of control. The publisher who pulled out of amazon for (probably) the ipad worries me more than I'm hopeful in what the ipad might bring. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: If you look for obvious revolutionary new, you will not see the impact. Jobs gave us a clue: standing on their shoulders. His intent, I believe is to change how consumers, maybe businesses as well, view the hand held, wireless and portable device market by putting it together to add more value. Don't know how it will play out, but I will be watching to see what Apple does and how they do it. I am not dismissing it, as you seem to be Mike, because I think watching will be fun and I will learn from it. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Well it's hardly a paradigm change, Jobs is doing what other devices have already done before him..and some would argue better. The kindle comes with free wireless, you can download books anywhere for free. Apple is simply doing what they have done for years, take existing products and trying to make them better. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Yes, with the iPad Jobs is attempting a wireless, portable device paradigm change. Well worth watching to see how Apple goes about it. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- I don't agree. The iPhone gives us some great clues and all the revolutionary changes it brought will still hold. Add to this the Time Inc., YouTube video of what SI would look like on an iPad. Also add what we have seen with the Kindle. And the current problems of the news and media industry. I don't think it requires much of a stretch of the imagination to see that the iPad is going to be a very interesting device. snip I have not watched it yet, but I wonder if you are missing the major qualitative changes that even a small change in technology can achieve. Cell phones give ubiquitous connectivity. The ability to reach out to people at any time from any place changes how we organize our daily lives. Add to this mix Apple's apps innovation and you not have the same ubiquitous ability to reach data. Add to this GPS and you can become aware of your environment in a way that is wholly different. This is a big deal. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb
Apple requests removal of USB functionality for file transfer from developer. http://www.techcrunch.com/2010/02/02/apple-stanza-usb/ * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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They made some interesting points about the Ipad, and about Apple in the conversation. Do not want to belabor the discussion if no one listened to it. Stewart At 06:08 PM 2/3/2010, you wrote: On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote: Did anyone listen to the Diane Rhems show this morning where they discussed the Ipad? I did not. I am truly not interested in the iPad for my own use although I can easily see how many would be quite taken by the device. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Feb 3, 2010, at 7:18 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: They made some interesting points about the Ipad, and about Apple in the conversation. Do you think you will be misusing their intellectual property if you gave us an outline? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Feb 3, 2010, at 3:13 PM, rocky lee wrote: Apple requests removal of USB functionality for file transfer from developer. This lack of interchange is the #1 iPhone/iTouch/iPad deficiency. I understand why Apple is so extreme about protecting their product, but I wish they could find a better way. The thing that made the iPod so appealing was that I could easily fill it with my own content. If the Apple Store were the only source of MP3s I don't think the iPod would have been successful. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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No but I am not going to get into a shouting match with you either. Stewart At 06:41 PM 2/3/2010, you wrote: Do you think you will be misusing their intellectual property if you gave us an outline? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 7:40 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: This lack of interchange is the #1 iPhone/iTouch/iPad deficiency. I understand why Apple is so extreme about protecting their product, but I wish they could find a better way. The thing that made the iPod so appealing was that I could easily fill it with my own content. If the Apple Store were the only source of MP3s I don't think the iPod would have been successful. This is what others have been saying in one fashion or another, and each in their own way, including folks on this list. This is one thing you wrote saying just a few days ago in response to such observations: You forgot to mention the lack of parallel port and built-in floppy disk drive. Apple is showing you the future while you cling to the past. Everything you mention is a technology on its way out. You want the iPad studded with ports that you should no longer need. That is not how Apple leads. Jobs was fond of quoting Wayne Gretzky about how he, Gretzky, was successful because he always skated to where the puck was going to be, not to where it currently was. Of course, that tack would work for Gretzky because he was almost exclusively a shooter. Well, it took a lot of muckers working that puck where it lay on the ice in order to put it onto Gretzky's stick so that he could score those goals. Jobs sees himself as Gretzky. The muckers are his minions and the buying public. So, just maybe Apple's lead, real as it is in many ways, may be predicated to a great extent upon protecting its own turf and increasing corporate attempts to demonstrate to the public who the boss really is even as they put out some nice products. Serving the wishes or desires of their end users for hardware that they can use in a manner and style of their own choosing may be more secondary than primary these days. Is Mr. Jobs personal trepidation or any likely fears about his own human frailty being reflected in how he is running Apple Corp? Just a thought. And, yes, your observation about the success of the iPod is well taken. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Feb 3, 2010, at 11:00 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: This is what others have been saying in one fashion or another, and each in their own way, including folks on this list. This is one thing you wrote saying just a few days ago in response to such observations: That just shows that you are less interested in discussing technology than you are in scoring debating points. Studding the iPad with obsolescent ports is not a good thing. My wanting better interchange is not an appeal for more ports. The built- in 802.11n should be entirely sufficient. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb
I listened. It was about what you would expect. The participants concluded that the iPad was a developmental stage beyond the iPod or iPhone, but not really revolutionary, at least for now. They agreed that there could be interesting developments in the future (involving the iPad and its successors), but they couldn't foresee anything specific, because the exact nature of computer progress is often difficult to predict. That's about it. The Diane Rehm show can be accessed in various formats from the website, if you want further details. --Constance On Feb 3, 2010, at 6:38 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Did anyone listen to the Diane Rhems show this morning where they discussed the Ipad? Stewart At 02:13 PM 2/3/2010, you wrote: Apple requests removal of USB functionality for file transfer from developer. http://www.techcrunch.com/2010/02/02/apple-stanza-usb/ ** *** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** ** *** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Feb 4, 2010, at 12:20 AM, Constance Warner wrote: I listened. It was about what you would expect. The participants concluded that the iPad was a developmental stage beyond the iPod or iPhone, but not really revolutionary, at least for now. They agreed that there could be interesting developments in the future (involving the iPad and its successors), but they couldn't foresee anything specific, because the exact nature of computer progress is often difficult to predict. Oh you make it sound sooo sad. Nowhere near as much fun as listening to the weather forecast. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb
Actually, it was a lot better than listening to the usual political fare. At least the panelists were making sense--no crackpot theories, no totally non-reality-based assertions, etc. And I was doing t'ai chi at the time, so I wasn't particularly demanding. And, as the participants pointed out, without having the device in hand, there's not a lot you CAN say about the iPad [and similar yet- to-be released devices] in a public forum on the radio, without looking silly. And speaking of silly--the Frontline program on the Digital Revolution (or whatever) on WETA last night. I agree that looking things up on Google is a lot faster than looking them up in the encyclopedia, and texting to your friends is a little faster than talking on the phone, but will we have a whole new type of human being, just because a lot of middle-class people have bought wireless plans and carry smartphones? Because students cheat by downloading a plot synopsis of Romeo and Juliet instead of getting it from Cliff's Notes? On Feb 4, 2010, at 12:36 AM, t.piwowar wrote: On Feb 4, 2010, at 12:20 AM, Constance Warner wrote: I listened. It was about what you would expect. The participants concluded that the iPad was a developmental stage beyond the iPod or iPhone, but not really revolutionary, at least for now. They agreed that there could be interesting developments in the future (involving the iPad and its successors), but they couldn't foresee anything specific, because the exact nature of computer progress is often difficult to predict. Oh you make it sound sooo sad. Nowhere near as much fun as listening to the weather forecast. ** *** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** ** *** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb
Or you could say he likes facts instead of hyperbole. On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 10:21 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: That just shows that you are less interested in discussing technology than you are in scoring debating points. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
