Re: [Cooker] xmms-1.2.7-26mdk

2003-11-18 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Tue Nov 18 17:44 +0100, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote:
 The following looks like a menu entry:
 
 +{N_(/Playback/Set A-B), A, mainwin_general_menu_callback, 
 MAINWIN_GENERAL_SETAB, Item},
 
 I assumed this was tooltip'able, while I'm not sure of that, of
 course.

I don't think GTK+'s tooltips can be used for menus.  I've definitely
never seen a GTK+ menu with tooltips.

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Re: [Cooker] Bayesian filtering still broken in SpamAssassin

2003-11-07 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Fri Nov 07 12:23 +0100, Mark Watts wrote:
 
 Which version of spamassasin are you using? I have 2.55 on 9.1 using Bayesian 
 filtering just fine...
 
 I deleted /home/foo/.spamassain/* before letting spamassin check a message 
 (creating some of the fils there) and then running sa-learn.

Just upgraded to 2.60-3mdk from 2.55 (I've only just recently begun
tracking cooker again) and the problems started... will see if sa-learn
--import fixes the issue...

UPDATE:

--import seems to repair this...

Possibly useful pontificating: perhaps some type of extension to rpm
whereby a script can be specified to be run only if upgrading from a
given version/range of versions should be included?

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Re: [Cooker] Re: No more fpons

2003-11-06 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Thu Nov 06 11:58 -0500, Austin wrote:
 On 11/06/2003 11:57:13 AM, Buchan Milne wrote:
 You think CS is bad? We (B.Eng - Mech) started with 80 guys and 4
 girls (one more joined us in 2nd year), 25 guys and no girls  
 graduated at the end of the 4 year course. 3 girls left Engineering,  
 2 changed to Industrial.
 
 Wow.
 Here in Canada, university enrollment is like 60% female IIRC.
 In science, it isn't quite as good, more like 50%.
 Graduate school in science, more like 40%, but still not bad at all.
 Go Canada!

In the US, it's a similar overall ratio, but most of the female
enrollment is in the mushy liberal arts...  CS and a few of the
engineering disciplines are about all that keeps the 55 females for 45
males ratio from getting even more skewed.  Indeed, some of the
exclusively liberal arts schools are actually having to institute
admissions preferences for males to ensure some level of diversity on
campus...

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[Cooker] Bayesian filtering still broken in SpamAssassin

2003-11-06 Thread Levi Ramsey
# sa-learn --mbox --ham Mail/IN.mandrake
Cannot open bayes databases /home/levi/.spamassassin/bayes_* R/O: tie
failed:
Cannot open bayes databases /home/levi/.spamassassin/bayes_* R/W: tie
failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
Cannot open bayes databases /home/levi/.spamassassin/bayes_* R/W: tie
failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
Cannot open bayes databases /home/levi/.spamassassin/bayes_* R/W: tie
failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
Cannot open bayes databases /home/levi/.spamassassin/bayes_* R/W: tie
failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
Cannot open bayes databases /home/levi/.spamassassin/bayes_* R/W: tie
failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
Cannot open bayes databases /home/levi/.spamassassin/bayes_* R/W: tie
failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
Cannot open bayes databases /home/levi/.spamassassin/bayes_* R/W: tie
failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
Cannot open bayes databases /home/levi/.spamassassin/bayes_* R/W: tie
failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
Cannot open bayes databases /home/levi/.spamassassin/bayes_* R/W: tie
failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
Cannot open bayes databases /home/levi/.spamassassin/bayes_* R/W: tie
failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
Cannot open bayes databases /home/levi/.spamassassin/bayes_* R/W: tie
failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
Cannot open bayes databases /home/levi/.spamassassin/bayes_* R/W: tie
failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
Cannot open bayes databases /home/levi/.spamassassin/bayes_* R/W: tie
failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
Cannot open bayes databases /home/levi/.spamassassin/bayes_* R/W: tie
failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
Cannot open bayes databases /home/levi/.spamassassin/bayes_* R/W: tie
failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
Cannot open bayes databases /home/levi/.spamassassin/bayes_* R/W: tie
failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
Cannot open bayes databases /home/levi/.spamassassin/bayes_* R/W: tie
failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
Cannot open bayes databases /home/levi/.spamassassin/bayes_* R/W: tie
failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
Cannot open bayes databases /home/levi/.spamassassin/bayes_* R/W: tie
failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
Cannot open bayes databases /home/levi/.spamassassin/bayes_* R/W: tie
failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
Cannot open bayes databases /home/levi/.spamassassin/bayes_* R/W: tie
failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
Cannot open bayes databases /home/levi/.spamassassin/bayes_* R/W: tie
failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
Cannot open bayes databases /home/levi/.spamassassin/bayes_* R/W: tie
failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device

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Re: [Cooker] Bayesian filtering still broken in SpamAssassin

2003-11-06 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Thu Nov 06 19:25 -0500, Levi Ramsey wrote:
 # sa-learn --mbox --ham Mail/IN.mandrake
 Cannot open bayes databases /home/levi/.spamassassin/bayes_* R/O: tie
 failed:
 Cannot open bayes databases /home/levi/.spamassassin/bayes_* R/W: tie
 failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device

This does not seem to be file-system dependent... the same error occurs
for me on both reiser and ext3.

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Re: [Cooker] Re: TUX?

2003-11-02 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Sun Nov 02 22:46 +, Adam Williamson wrote:
 On Sun, 2003-11-02 at 19:26, Juan Quintela wrote:
 
  As the proof is in the pudding, somebody in 2.4 era, created an http
 
 Quick colloquialism fix - actual phrase is the proof of the pudding is
 in the eating. :)

I've seen the proof is in the pudding in various locations, even
reputable British English publications (e.g. the Guardian).

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Re: [Cooker] Broken KDE in Cooker

2003-10-23 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Thu Oct 23 18:55 +0200, Buchan Milne wrote:
  I'd be happy if there were simply a rollback directory on the
 mirrors.  In
  other words when a package is updated, yesterday's version rolls over
 to the
  rollback directory.  Also, the reason I said yesterday's is often
 there are
  2-3 quick updates in a row, as little packaging bugs get caught by the
  packager and quickly fixed - would hate to have two broken packages, the
  rollback and the new one, on the mirrors.
 
 Why does this need to be on the mirrors? Wouldn't it be better if you
 could set urpmi to auto-repackage some packages (like rpm --repackage)?
 Then, you would have the last package you had working (since youhave no
 guarantees about yesterday's package anyway).
 
 For cookers, this would be quite useful ...

Excellent idea, Buchan... you are a veritable fountain of such.

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Re: [Cooker] oggenc problem

2003-10-22 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Wed Oct 22 18:08 +0200, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote:
 Torstein Dybdahl [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  hi!
  There seems to be a problem with oggenc.
  and libvorbisenc
  
  wav files that are encoded to ogg is consequently encoded at 0 kbps.
  
  Does anybody else se the same problem?
 
 Yes, sees the same problem.
 
 Gwenole, your 1.0-11mdk broke it, it seems.

Please fix ASAP... I need to rip/encode the new Rush live album... ;o)

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Re: [Cooker] 9.2 disasters list (continuing)

2003-10-19 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Sat Oct 18 17:39 +1000, Ron Stodden wrote:
 That is true of all corporate entities, including the various government 
 entities.  So if I write a letter to George W Bush, then I am correct in 
 assuming that all relevant groups and individuals operating below him 
 will have received it and will co-ordinate a single comprehensive timely 
 reply.

Bwahahahahahahahahaha.  I think we have a new winner for most absurd
post by you.  This is a momentous accomplishment, Sir!

 I know it´s not easy on corporations, but that´s the law, you know

Citation please, from a code that applies to MandrakeSoft (which, afaik
would mean EU, French, or US law).

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Re: [Cooker] 9.2 disasters list (continuing)

2003-10-19 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Sat Oct 18 12:29 -0400, Rob wrote:
 On Saturday 18 October 2003 03:39, Ron Stodden wrote:
  No.   I have legally carried out my only duty - to notify
  MandrakeSoft, the owner of the cooker mailing list. To do
  that is all that can possibly be required.
 
 Dude, it took you longer to write this whiny-ass message than it 
 would have to file a bug report like you should have in the 
 first place.Go away if you'd rather not be helpful.

It's Ron's standard operating procedure.  I'd killfile him, but it's
just too entertaining for me to miss...

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Re: [Cooker] Discovery Pack

2003-10-17 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Thu Oct 16 19:04 +0200, Oden Eriksson wrote:
 Hi all.
 
 Aha, now I know what the surprise was about...
 
 Discovery Pack.
 
 Good for Mandrake(Soft) I guess, financially speaking...
 
 Where does that leave odd morons like me?

Net installs?

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Re: [Cooker] 9.2 cannot produce a floppy boot disk.

2003-10-17 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Fri Oct 17 22:22 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
 Why so much kernel and initrd swell of late?

Because there's more hardware out there than there was a few years ago
and if MDKSoft decides that a certain IDE controller isn't common enough
to justify taking up rescue and kernel space, some nut comes out of the
woodwork wishing dire curses on MandrakeSoft and its employees, plus
their first-born children.

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Re: [Cooker] And next ?

2003-10-01 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Wed Oct 01 23:17 +0200, Luca Berra wrote:
 On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 01:42:40PM +0200, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
 And contributers not being subscribed to maintainers mailing-list, whereas 
 half of traffic on this list is pure spam...
 
 and ppl actually discovering there is a maintainers mailing-list because
 they stumble upon a msg like this in cooker?

Send an email with subscribe maintainers to
[EMAIL PROTECTED], IIRC.

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Re: [Cooker] opera in mandrake 9.2

2003-09-27 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Sat Sep 27  9:49 -0500, s wrote:
 On Saturday 27 September 2003 09:37 am, Diego Iastrubni wrote:
  I installed the latest beta from their site, and it segfaults on
  the start. worked fine in 9.1.
 
  can anyone reproduce?
 
 yeah, opera's latest about a month ago was segfaulting on my laptop 
 which was running about rc2.  I think it's an opera thing tho.  I had 
 one friend who believes opera was causing his desktop to 
 spontaneously reboot when using it on regular 9.1.  I haven't tried 
 it on my desktop lately and miss it on my old slow laptop.  but yeah, 
 we believe there's something amiss with opera lately.
 -s

I've been running Opera 7.2 beta for a while now on Cooker... no
problems here.

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Re: [Cooker] [Mandrake 10] Replacing proftpd by pureftpd ?

2003-09-25 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Thu Sep 25 16:31 -0600, Vincent Danen wrote:
 Hey, while we're at it, can we throw sendmail in contribs?  =)
 
 (Serious about killing wu-ftpd altogether, semi-serious about sendmail)

I think the policy should be that anything which listens on a port
should not, under any circumstances, be in contribs, as contribs are not
generally updated; I'm sure that someone will come along with a sendmail
repository and do the updates themselves.

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Re: [Cooker] 9.2 ISOs has been sent

2003-09-24 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Wed Sep 24 10:39 +, _ cosmicflo wrote:
 Nice !
 
 Who are contributors ?
 For exemple, am I a contributor (send bugs report, discuss here) ?

IIRC, the contributors are those who added their names to the proper
page on the Wiki.

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Re: [Cooker] 9.2 ISOs has been sent

2003-09-24 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Thu Sep 25  1:07 +0200, Bellegarde Cedric wrote:
 To contribute, you just have to put your name on a web page?
 Are packagers contributors?

I was erroneous in confusing cosmicflo's question to be about the
credits/thanks file which will name various contributors to 9.2.

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[Cooker] BIND patches to fight Verisign

2003-09-17 Thread Levi Ramsey
Is there any chance of getting the patches ISC released today that allow
zones to be designated delegation only included in time for 9.2?

Thanks to Verisign's typosquatting which essentially means that you
can't get an NXDOMAIN, many server-side spam filters (those that only
accept mail from valid FQDN HELOs, for instance) are irretrievably
broken.

http://www.isc.org/products/BIND/delegation-only.html

If these patches don't make it into 9.2, they should be updates released
shortly thereafter.

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Re: [Cooker] BIND patches to fight Verisign

2003-09-17 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Wed Sep 17 12:33 -0400, Levi Ramsey wrote:
 Is there any chance of getting the patches ISC released today that allow
 zones to be designated delegation only included in time for 9.2?
 
 Thanks to Verisign's typosquatting which essentially means that you
 can't get an NXDOMAIN, many server-side spam filters (those that only
 accept mail from valid FQDN HELOs, for instance) are irretrievably
 broken.
 
 http://www.isc.org/products/BIND/delegation-only.html
 
 If these patches don't make it into 9.2, they should be updates released
 shortly thereafter.

Oops... didn't see the earlier thread on this issue...

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Re: [Cooker] 9.2 download CD size

2003-09-16 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Mon Sep 15 23:17 +0200, Buchan Milne wrote:
 Levi Ramsey wrote:
  On Mon Sep 15 16:58 +0200, Buchan Milne wrote:
 
 But we should try not to piss everybody off ... we've already pissed off
 the freeloaders who don't like adware (and can't read), now we're going
 to piss off those who have a dodgy CDROM drive who don't see the need to
 spend $30 on a new one when they could buy some other distro for the
 same price or use Redhat instead. And I suspect there may be other news
 that will piss even more off ...
 
 
  However, how many people use the ISOs to install on a server (ISOs does
  *not* include those who buy a boxed version)?  I would think that
  most server installs are net installs.
 
 All my machines with clients are installed of CD or DVD.
 
  Of course, this might mean having greater promotion of the net install
  option...
 
 This is only of value of course in places where fast connections are
 ubiquitous ... I would *stronly* suggest not pissing off users who
 bought boxed sets (or other media from the store) since they don't have
 the bandwidth to download ISOs ...

My suggestion is: do not include them on the download ISOs.  If you have
the bandwidth to get the ISOs with any degree of speed, you can do a net
install on the servers.

This is not true of the boxed versions or even the media purchases from
the store.  In that case, include the server pacakages on the CDs then.

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Re: [Cooker] 9.2 download CD size

2003-09-15 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Mon Sep 15 16:58 +0200, Buchan Milne wrote:
 But we should try not to piss everybody off ... we've already pissed off
 the freeloaders who don't like adware (and can't read), now we're going
 to piss off those who have a dodgy CDROM drive who don't see the need to
 spend $30 on a new one when they could buy some other distro for the
 same price or use Redhat instead. And I suspect there may be other news
 that will piss even more off ...

However, how many people use the ISOs to install on a server (ISOs does
*not* include those who buy a boxed version)?  I would think that
most server installs are net installs.

Of course, this might mean having greater promotion of the net install
option...

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Re: [Cooker] mozilla-devel not included with RC2

2003-09-15 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Mon Sep 15 14:19 -0700, Ric Johnson wrote:
  Well, why do they need to build galeon, when it is included??
 
 That's a joke, right? 

No, it's a legitimate point.

 ( the length of the reasons is prohibitive and content
 inflamatory )

Post it... we can take it... or is it because you can't come up with a
reason?

  Mozilla has never been the default browser, Konqueror and
  Galeon are.
 
 Sorry, BM, but you must not have been lurking around cooker/MDK
 long enuf

How long have you been lurking around cooker/MDK?

I've been on this list for 18 months now and Buchan predates me.  I
can't recall ever seeing a post from you before this thread.

You may want to try researching what you say, it makes you look like
slightly less of an idiot (though I'm not sure how much that would help
you).

 [Signature]
 My email box is full of spam and signatures.  Honestly, I have email that are 3/4 
 signatures and 1/4 content.  A signature is neither a resume nor is it a place for 
 you to include your personal philosphy about life in general.  If you are one of 
 those who do that, please stop sending me yours.  ONE line is enough!

While my signature may be long, at least it adheres to 80 characters
per line.

Quick question: how old are you, Ric?  From your spelling and attitude,
I'm setting the Over/Under at 13 and taking the Under.

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Re: [Cooker] posting from gmane?

2003-09-14 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Sun Sep 14  7:58 -0700, Duncan wrote:
 I am now subscribed to this list as a newsgroup thru gmane, and wish to
 stop getting it in my mail box, but still be able to post to it.  However,
 if a poster isn't a member, mail must be confirmed.  Unfortunately,
 SYMPA-Mdk doesn't mention a subscribed but no delivery setting for this
 list as many have.
 
 Does anyone else post thru them?  How do you manage it?

I do.  I forget how I did it, but you might want to try the sympa.org
documentation...

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Re: [Cooker] Can't releases in september!

2003-09-14 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Mon Sep 15  0:20 +0200, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote:
 jokerman64 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  Cooker is too buggy to release afinal in september.
 
 same music for each release :).

Crickets, I tell you.  Crickets.

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[Cooker] urpmi OpenOffice.org weirdness

2003-09-13 Thread Levi Ramsey
# urpmi OpenOffice.org
One of the following packages is needed:
 1- OpenOffice.org-l10n-es-1.1-0.rc4.1mdk.i586
 2- OpenOffice.org-l10n-ar-1.1-0.rc4.1mdk.i586
 3- OpenOffice.org-l10n-ca-1.1-0.rc4.1mdk.i586
 4- OpenOffice.org-l10n-cs-1.1-0.rc4.1mdk.i586
 5- OpenOffice.org-l10n-da-1.1-0.rc4.1mdk.i586
 6- OpenOffice.org-l10n-de-1.1-0.rc4.1mdk.i586
 7- OpenOffice.org-l10n-el-1.1-0.rc4.1mdk.i586
 8- OpenOffice.org-l10n-fi-1.1-0.rc4.1mdk.i586
 9- OpenOffice.org-l10n-fr-1.1-0.rc4.1mdk.i586
 10- OpenOffice.org-l10n-it-1.1-0.rc4.1mdk.i586
 11- OpenOffice.org-l10n-ja-1.1-0.rc4.1mdk.i586
 12- OpenOffice.org-l10n-ko-1.1-0.rc4.1mdk.i586
 13- OpenOffice.org-l10n-nl-1.1-0.rc4.1mdk.i586
 14- OpenOffice.org-l10n-pl-1.1-0.rc4.1mdk.i586
 15- OpenOffice.org-l10n-pt-1.1-0.rc4.1mdk.i586
 16- OpenOffice.org-l10n-pt_BR-1.1-0.rc4.1mdk.i586
 17- OpenOffice.org-l10n-ru-1.1-0.rc4.1mdk.i586
 18- OpenOffice.org-l10n-sk-1.1-0.rc4.1mdk.i586
 19- OpenOffice.org-l10n-sv-1.1-0.rc4.1mdk.i586
 20- OpenOffice.org-l10n-tr-1.1-0.rc4.1mdk.i586
 21- OpenOffice.org-l10n-zh_CN-1.1-0.rc4.1mdk.i586
 22- OpenOffice.org-l10n-zh_TW-1.1-0.rc4.1mdk.i586
What is your choice? (1-22) 9
One of the following packages is needed:
 1- myspell-fr_BE-1.0.2-0.20030619.1mdk.noarch
 2- myspell-fr_FR-1.0.2-0.20020608.1mdk.noarch
What is your choice? (1-2) 2
The following packages have to be removed for others to be upgraded:
OpenOffice.org-l10n-en-1.1-0.rc4.1mdk.i586 (due to unsatisfied
OpenOffice.org == 1.1) (y/N)

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Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Fri Sep 12  8:50 +0200, Svetoslav Slavtchev wrote:
 sorry for the missunderstanding, i completely agree.
 
 if this advertized Mandrake was the first i try to install,
 i would probably never try it again, and probably never go for a boxed
 version.
 
 i still disslike SuSE, because they use closed installer,
 and there are no free install CD, and i think i would have 
 similer impression from Mandrake.

DrakX is GPL.  Distribute your own ISOs with no advertising or
advertising for your preferred causes or whatever.  Hell, call it
Adfreedrake.

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Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Fri Sep 12 12:55 +0100, Adam Williamson wrote:
 I also absolute hate the fact that the way this is being implemented
 sets a precedent for the impairment of the actual functionality of the
 OS through adverts, which is the effect of putting adverts on the
 default home page and on the browser bookmarks.

Oh no!

If we allow the people to carry guns, everybody's going to turn into a
serial killer!

If we give people PGP, we're helping child porn!

If we give a few poor people welfare, this is going to turn into Soviet
Russia!

Wh... it's fun sliding down the slippery slopes...

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Re: [Cooker] Re: [Contrib-Rpm] sgrotum-1.2.6-1mdk

2003-09-12 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Fri Sep 12 12:12 +0200, Götz Waschk wrote:
 Am Freitag, 12. September 2003, 12:07:40 Uhr MET, schrieb Thierry Vignaud:
   Name: sgrotum  Relocations: (not relocateable)
 [schnipp]
  is this really needed in package description ?
 I wonder why nobody has complained yet about the package name :-)

Methinks [schnipp] appeared too close to the package name for
comfort...

Ouch!

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Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Fri Sep 12 18:57 +0200, Jan Ciger wrote:
 MEISCH,CORY (HP-Vancouver,ex1) wrote:
 | Corporate branded distros? What if a company like HP wanted to brand the
 | MDK distro for distribution on their hardware. Is there a financial
 | opportunity there to charge?
 |
 | Cory
 |
 
 If HP want's to brand the distro, they can already. The source is over
 there. Mandrake, RedHat and others do it with their code, so HP can
 fork the distro as well and there is no way how MDK could force them
 to pay (except perhaps for permissions to use the trademarks and such).
 Of course, voluntary contribution from HP would be surely welcome :-)
 
 If HP wants to have a distro branded for them, that's another thing, but
 what has this to do with putting ads in the default download version ?

It's exactly the same mechanism.

Put a few different pngs in /Mandrake/share/advertising/ and voila,
you've branded the installer.

Put a few different pngs in /usr/share/mdk/xscreensaver/ and voila,
you've branded the screensaver.

All Mandrake is doing is allowing people/companies to participate in the
default branding of the distribution.

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Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Fri Sep 12 18:57 +0200, Jan Ciger wrote:
 If HP want's to brand the distro, they can already.

Mandrake also offers, for a fee (and has for a looong time), to create a
branded distribution for large customers/OEMs.  I wouldn't be surprised
if the version of MDK that HP is distributing is Mandrake plus extra
branding.

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Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Fri Sep 12 22:45 +0100, Adam Williamson wrote:
 On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 17:57, Jan Ciger wrote:
  -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
  Hash: SHA1
  
  MEISCH,CORY (HP-Vancouver,ex1) wrote:
  | Corporate branded distros? What if a company like HP wanted to brand the
  | MDK distro for distribution on their hardware. Is there a financial
  | opportunity there to charge?
  |
  | Cory
  |
  
  If HP want's to brand the distro, they can already. The source is over
  there. Mandrake, RedHat and others do it with their code, so HP can
 
 Sure. But why bother spending the time to get in house people to learn
 how to do it? I think Cory's idea's a good one - ask big corporate
 clients if they'd like Mandrakesoft to do the work of creating a
 customised version of the distro for them, for a relatively small fee -
 make it cheaper than doing it in-house would be.

MandrakeSoft already does exactly that.

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Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Fri Sep 12 22:33 +0100, Adam Williamson wrote:
 On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 15:49, Levi Ramsey wrote:
  On Fri Sep 12 12:55 +0100, Adam Williamson wrote:
   I also absolute hate the fact that the way this is being implemented
   sets a precedent for the impairment of the actual functionality of the
   OS through adverts, which is the effect of putting adverts on the
   default home page and on the browser bookmarks.
  
  Oh no!
  
  If we allow the people to carry guns, everybody's going to turn into a
  serial killer!
  
  If we give people PGP, we're helping child porn!
  
  If we give a few poor people welfare, this is going to turn into Soviet
  Russia!
  
  Wh... it's fun sliding down the slippery slopes...
 
 Stop being facetious. In the case of business, it's exactly how things
 work; the path of least resistance is followed. Picture the scene in a
 year's time. Mandrakesoft Borg #1: Well, the adverts thing worked great
 for a while, but now it's kinda tailing off. Should I come up with a new
 and exciting different way to generate revenue, or should I just slap a
 few more adverts in to cover up the difference? Mandrakesoft Borg #2:
 Fuck, it's Friday, I'm tired, just get a couple more ads would you?

Stop being paranoid, and I'll stop being facetious.

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Re: [Cooker] um.

2003-09-12 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Fri Sep 12 21:41 -0400, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote:
 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/wimbledon_2003/photo_galleries/3038554.stm

2nd picture.

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Re: [Cooker] Re: Re: Re: wiki update (9.2 schedule / CREDITS)

2003-08-31 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Sat Aug 30 18:56 -0400, David Walser wrote:
 Well, when libao goes to pick an output plugin, it starts testing them all to see if 
 they work (each implements a test function).  When it finds one that works, it keeps 
 looping, and only tests further ones if they have a priority than the one that 
 already worked.  They way the list they looped over was created before, they had no 
 control over the order the different plugins were in.
 
 I changed it so the list is sorted in order of plugin priority (highest to lowest), 
 so as soon as it finds a plugin that works, it breaks out of the loop.  It's 
 basically an optimization to the autodetection (of whether to use arts, esd, oss, 
 alsa, etc output) code, it should make it faster.

Excellent.  Now that pesky arts bug won't cause segfaults when other
output plugins end up being used...

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Re: [Cooker] Whole Day Shot Trying HD Network Installation'

2003-08-31 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Sat Aug 30  1:25 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
 I've been installing mdk ever since 7.1, normally from either hd.img or
 network.img boot. Friday was total toast with rc1.
 
 First the iso's wouldn't md5, so I had to download all over again, and
 today the server took 5X as long as it did last night to give up its
 bounty.
 
 Once over that hump, I tried hd.img with raw iso's on FAT32. Installer
 always progessed into package selection before any errors, at which
 point, all kinds of errors that eventually sent the installer either
 back to the start of package selection, or past that to partitioning.
 Errors such as you can't select/unselect this package (e.g. on
 XF86fonts-100, drakconf  kdegraphics), or depending reports requiring
 and OK be clicked, except that clicking OK produced no response on 1st
 click, then restarted package selection on 2nd click. I finally got
 through package selection 3 times, only to fail on 'basesystem package
 not selected', being returned to the start of package selection yet
 again.
 
 Eventually I got set up for NFS install, and that won't even get out of
 text mode. Each time, right after entering server IP and directory it
 just sits there, and on tty3, last line I see is 'preparing nfsmount for
 [IP]:[dir]', and no evidence that SCSI ever loaded. Has SCSI support
 been deleted from the boot floppies? I can't remember when the previous
 versions asked for SCSI support confirmation.
 
 Is ftp or CD install the only way that works for rc1? I really don't
 like burning CD's for betas, and I've never figured out how to select a
 ftp or http source for installation. Where do I point the installer for
 ftp or http?

Didn't you post this already?

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Re: [Cooker] Re: Re: Re: Re: wiki update (9.2 schedule / CREDITS)

2003-08-31 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Sat Aug 30 20:20 -0400, David Walser wrote:
  Excellent.  Now that pesky arts bug won't cause segfaults when other
  output plugins end up being used...
 
 I doubt it's an arts bug, because it used to work, and then I upgraded some of my 
 Cooker *without* upgrading arts and then it broke.  Maybe it's glibc.

s/arts bug/bug triggered by ao arts plugin/

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[Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] drakxtools-9.2-5mdk

2003-08-31 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Sat Aug 30  1:47 +0200, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
 Name: drakxtools   Relocations: (not relocateable)
 Version : 9.2   Vendor: MandrakeSoft
 Release : 5mdk  Build Date: Fri Aug 29 23:58:12 2003

# urpmi drakxtools
Some package requested cannot be installed:
drakxtools-9.2-5mdk.i586 (due to missing drakxtools-newt-9.2-5mdk.i586)
drakxtools-newt-9.2-5mdk.i586 (due to unsatisfied perl(ctxhelp))

Looks like another b0rked perl autorequires...

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Re: [Cooker] Re: wiki update (9.2 schedule / CREDITS)

2003-08-30 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Sat Aug 30 11:27 -0400, David Walser wrote:
 Yeah, I dunno if I go on there or not either.  I made some packages and fixed some 
 things and I can't remember what else.  Complained a lot :o)  I think I did more for 
 previous releases than this one.  *shrug*

Same boat here, but I'll take my cue from you, as I've definitely done
less than you.

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Re: [Cooker] Re: Re: wiki update (9.2 schedule / CREDITS)

2003-08-30 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Sat Aug 30 12:01 -0400, David Walser wrote:
 I also got a fairly significant patch accepted upstream into libao (part of vorbis 
 project) but they haven't made a new release.  I don't think GC wants to package CVS 
 even though it's better.

Just wondering, but as a resident ao evangelist, what was the patch for?

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Re: [Cooker] rc1 torrent

2003-08-29 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Fri Aug 29  0:19 +0200, Buchan Milne wrote:
 Don't know what you mean ... ISOs are on sunet.se at the usual lag of one 
 day, and my mirror which is one day behind sunet.se has been working find 
 with 'urpmi.pdate -a;urpmit --auto-select --auto' in cron.daily. Granted, 
 it (sunet) was behind a day on Monday/Tuesday.

This jumping from one mirror to another is getting *very* tiresome.  In
the past week or so, I've jumped from redbox.cz to uninett.no to
sunet.se.

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Re: [Cooker] bittorrent kicks ass!

2003-08-29 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Thu Aug 28 12:30 -0500, Tom Brinkman wrote:
 On Wednesday August 27 2003 10:31 pm, Austin wrote:
  On 08/27/2003 09:08:44 PM, Austin wrote:
   I never got speeds like that on DSL, trust me.  DSL here
   downloads at about 100Mb/s, cable a little faster, not much.
 
  Of course I meant 100 kb/s.
  Austin
 
 I get 145 to 150 Kilobytes/sec on DSL. From everywhere. 'Cept 
 on bittorrent I get 1 to 5 Kilobytes from y'all, upload 15 to 30/s. 
 Till just now, I found a slow mirror (redbox) that's way better 
 than this bitchtorrent crud.
 
After I get the last two iso's, an chk md5sums, I'll restart the 
 bittcruds for all 3 iso's so y'all can suffer with it. 

(-1, Troll) ;o)

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Re: [Cooker] bittorrent kicks ass!

2003-08-29 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Thu Aug 28 17:30 -0400, Austin wrote:
 York has a debian mirror.  The networking department is kinda stingy about  
 bandwidth though... they only let us transfer a gig per week on personal  
 computers and two gig per week on office computers.

My experience with UMass regarding getting a mandrake mirror ended up
with them firewalling the host so that only their network and those of
nearby colleges (and, I think, the subnets corresponding to the local
cable infrastructure) could access it.  Even then, they've since given
up on mirroring cooker... :o(

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Re: [Cooker] bittorrent kicks ass!

2003-08-29 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Thu Aug 28 18:00 -0400, Austin wrote:
 It's getting crazy.  Here at York, they are insisting that ALL windows  
 computers on the network install the latest service pack (or whatever it's  
 called, Windows-Update thingy), AND install anti-virus software, or they 
 will  be removed from the netowrk.  We got hit pretty hard I guess.

Starting with Code Red (so it's been 2 years now), UMass has been having
the routers profile traffic and if any system indicates worm infection
they have the appropriate switch to disable the Ethernet port and send a
snail mail letter to the office/dorm of the computer (no postage to send
mail that doesn't leave campus) saying that reinstatement is predicated
on patching.

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Re: [Cooker] More mirror madness

2003-08-29 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Thu Aug 28 17:24 +0100, Adam Williamson wrote:
 On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 16:26, Dave Cotton wrote:
 
  Before I retired to France I worked in the UK as head of RD for the
  market leader in specialist software used in the construction industry.
  If I caused this much havoc to our customers, with the financial
  consequences to them, I would have been hung out to dry.
 
 Cooker has nothing at all to do with customers. Cooker is for
 volunteer beta testers. That's what we are.

Right, but if those beta testers can't get packages to test, bugs aren't
going to get found, and 9.2 is going to be a train wreck (and
MandrakeSoft isn't out of the woods yet; if 9.2 is a trainwreck, can
MdkSoft survive?).

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Re: [Cooker] latest kopete and msn messenger

2003-08-29 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Thu Aug 28 22:11 +0100, Andre Lourenco wrote:
 when i connect with latest cooker kopete to msn
 messenger services, i get a nice message from .NET
 Messenger Service Staff:
 
 (22:08:19) [EMAIL PROTECTED] says: 
 You are running a version of messenger that
 requires an immediate security update. Please visit
 http://messenger.msn.com/Help/Upgrades.aspx to
 complete the update.
 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] has left the chat.
 
 are you ppl receiving this to?

Please refrain from replying to messages to start new threads; write a
new mail instead (as it messes up email in those of us who are using
intelligent clients).

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Re: [Cooker] Main mirror BROKEN AGAIN!!!!!

2003-08-29 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Thu Aug 28 22:20 +0100, Andre Lourenco wrote:
 Agree...
 
 I already lost more that one good cooking week with
 this problems... With so many people having problems,
 we should ask ourselves if we are testing 9.2 in a
 useful way.

FWIW, sunet.se seems to be more current now than (uninett|uio).no...

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Re: [Cooker] Main mirror BROKEN AGAIN!!!!!

2003-08-29 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Fri Aug 29  8:52 +0200, Michael Scherer wrote:
 how do you know it is the main mirror ? and what does main mirror mean 
 for you ?
 
 if this is the mirror from where all other update, then this doesn't 
 seems to be the case anymore. 

I seriously think a post to cooker saying what mirrors sync from the
central repository is in order...

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Re: [Cooker] Interesting link from slashdot

2003-08-28 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Wed Aug 27 12:22 +0200, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
 Ainsi parlait Götz Waschk :
  Am Dienstag, 26. August 2003, 18:52:23 Uhr MET, schrieb Levi Ramsey:
   Some of you may have seen this already, but this project looks
   interesting.  Perhaps this could be used for the ncurses Drak tools?
   http://zemljanka.sourceforge.net
 
  The included gtk demos are working fine in curses mode, other apps
  I've tested just crashed. But indeed, this is a nice idea to have some
  text mode fallback out of the box.
 Are you aware that drakx tools already support text mode and even web mode ?

I'm aware of that.  However I think having GTK+ (and thus perl-GTK) do
the work, rather than having two backends for DrakX will be a more
reliable solution.

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Re: [Cooker] XMMS - audio compress monitor

2003-08-28 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Wed Aug 27 20:01 +0100, Andre Lourenco wrote:
 why does xmms start with a window that says 'audio
 compress monitor'? that windows doesn't seem to work
 at all, but it stats up with xmms anyway

You probably have AudioCompress installed.  Because xmms doesn't provide
a mechanism for notifying effect plugins that they're active, if
AudioCompress is set to have a monitor window, it will spawn at startup.

Fix for now is to disable the monitor window as follows

In the xmms Preferences dialog (accessible by either), click on the
Effect/ General Plugins tab, select KOMPRESSOR CRUSH XMMS from the
Effect Plugins menu, then click the Configure button right below that menu.

Select the Monitor tab and disable Show monitor window.

I will be uploading a new AudioCompress to contribs shortly which makes
the default to not show the monitor window.

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Re: [Cooker] udftools ? too late for mdk9.2?

2003-08-28 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Thu Aug 28 11:02 +0200, Steffen Barszus wrote:
 Am Donnerstag, 28. August 2003 01:18 schrieb Svetoslav Slavtchev:
   Hi,
   i just prepared two src.rpm's for udf-tools (stable 1.0.0b2  cvs
  1.0.0b3)
 
   could some one review them, and may be upload them to contrib.
 
   they are pretty needed for packet cd/dvd writing and for dvd+rw used
  as a harddrive or dvd-ram.
 
   best,
 
   svetljo
 
   PS.
   src.rpms are @
  
  http://varna.demon.co.uk/~svetlio/ruby-contrib/mdk-cook/probably_brok
 en/ specs attached
   and the kernel needs udf write support :(
 
 I thought that cooker is frozen means that main is frozen, or is the 
 same true now for contrib ? I have hoped to get my vdr packages in 
 contrib 9.2 and some of the plugins in plf. Can i forget that now or am 
 i right that it is possible to get that in the next days ? 

Cooker is frozen, but I don't believe contrib freezes until Lenny
decides to freeze contrib.  IIRC, in the past, that freeze has been long
after the cooker freeze.

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Re: [Cooker] Re: new bootsplash and mandrake_theme and help wanted

2003-08-27 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Tue Aug 26 20:46 -0400, David Walser wrote:
 And since mandrake_desk is a required package (for desktops) it sounds like there's 
 no way to avoid installing bootsplash now...

:o(

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[Cooker] More mirroring madness...

2003-08-27 Thread Levi Ramsey
uninett doesn't seem to be deleting old packages...

urpmi-4.4-24mdk and urpmi-4.4-25mdk (to name two examples) are both on
the mirror...

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Re: [Cooker] How can we stop the virus flooding

2003-08-26 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Mon Aug 25 23:50 +0200, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
 I don't mind if Joe User setup a web server through such a click-o-magic 
 without ever reading a manual, howto or anything related to network 
 computing, cause if he's wrong he will only trash his computer. But i don't 
 want to get spammed just because the same Joe User decided he could play with 
 a new toy he found in mcc and setup an open-relay SMTP...

Don't include an option to allow it to open relay in mcc.

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[Cooker] Strange urpmi.update behavior

2003-08-26 Thread Levi Ramsey
Running urpmi.update on a local medium, it fails to copy the hdlist.cz
to /var/lib/urpmi (though it can be manually copied without a problem)
after which it appears to run something similar to gendistrib.  This
fails with the message:

unable to write list file of Cooker
writing list file for medium Cooker

urpmi-4.4-25mdk

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Re: [Cooker] Strange urpmi.update behavior

2003-08-26 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Tue Aug 26  1:42 -0400, Levi Ramsey wrote:
 Running urpmi.update on a local medium, it fails to copy the hdlist.cz
 to /var/lib/urpmi (though it can be manually copied without a problem)
 after which it appears to run something similar to gendistrib.  This
 fails with the message:
 
 unable to write list file of Cooker
 writing list file for medium Cooker
 
 urpmi-4.4-25mdk

Fixed by removing the medium and re-adding...

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Re: [Cooker] Cooker kdepim-3.1.3-12mdk.i586.rpm is empty

2003-08-26 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Tue Aug 26 13:14 +0200, Aleksander Adamowski wrote:
 I've synced my machine with latest cooker recently, and I've discovered 
 that I cannot run korganizer - it's not present.
 
 I've downloaded the kdepim-3.1.3-12mdk.i586.rpm package manually, and it 
 turns out it's empty - there are no files inside, only RPM metadata.

Try something like kdepim-korganizer, perhaps?

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[Cooker] Interesting link from slashdot

2003-08-26 Thread Levi Ramsey
Some of you may have seen this already, but this project looks
interesting.  Perhaps this could be used for the ncurses Drak tools?

http://zemljanka.sourceforge.net

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Re: [Cooker] Suggestion for improved user experience

2003-08-26 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Wed Aug 27  0:24 +0200, Buchan Milne wrote:
 Levi Ramsey wrote:
  On Mon Aug 25 17:44 -0600, Vincent Danen wrote:
 
 http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/advisories/rss.php
 
 
  I can go about submitting it to the likes of K5 and Slashdot for sidebar
  headline boxes if desired...
 
 
 I was hoping someone would ...

Done (at least for Kuro5hin and Slashdot)... if you know of any other
sites that Mandrake users might frequent, submit the RDFs.

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Re: [Cooker] OT: on current viruses

2003-08-24 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Sat Aug 23 13:00 -0400, Austin wrote:
 Hey,
 I keep getting these messages from virus scanners on various mail servers 
 all over the world saying that I tried to send a virus infected email 
 through their mail server.  It's the sobig.f virus, which is written in 
 MSVC, and propogates through windows, so I don't see how I could have sent 
 it to anyone, but they attach a copy of it with my return address.
 
 This makes me very mad.  I don't have a single computer running Windows, 
 and I highly doubt if Balsa can execute MS macros LOL.
 I'm proud of the fact that I don't propogate viruses.

Long story short: a SoBig.F infected system will send out emails to
everybody in the address book (it may also scan IE's cache for email
addresses), setting the From: header on the email to other random
addresses on the infected system.  So someone who has you in their
address book is infected.

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Re: [Cooker] [OT] correct names for things

2003-08-24 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Sat Aug 23  0:46 +0200, Pierre Jarillon wrote:
 Le Vendredi 22 Août 2003 14:23, Adam Williamson a écrit :
  On Thu, 2003-08-21 at 21:25, Philip Webb wrote:
   030820 J.A. Magallon wrote:
Eskimos have many words just for snow
  
   'Eskimo' is itself an incorrect term today: they call themselves 'Inuit'.
 
 I have been told that eskimo means raw meat eater like animals does.

That is correct... if I remember correctly, eskimo is an Algonquin
word for eater(s) of raw meat, which gives you an idea of the
Algonquin's view of the Inuit...

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Re: [Cooker] OT: on current viruses

2003-08-24 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Sun Aug 24 17:16 +0200, Luca Berra wrote:
 On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 03:56:21PM +0200, Till Kamppeter wrote:
 Anyone knows a way how to find the box where the virus e-mails (not the 
 error messages, the mails from the virus itself) come from? I would like 
 to inform the users of the infected machines, as these mails are annoying.
 use the headers, but how exactly would you inform the user?

Run a whois on the IP and, especially if it's a .edu, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]  In
my experience .edu's are fairly quick to disable the ethernet jacks of
machines infected by worms.

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Re: [Cooker] Mirror madness

2003-08-21 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Thu Aug 21 10:28 +0200, Götz Waschk wrote:
 The problem isn't the number of files but the frequent file changes.
 If one file changes you'll have to regenerate the torrent which
 involves the calculation of the md5 sums of the complete data. This
 takes a lot of processing time. Maybe bittorrent could be improved by
 making it cache some md5 sums for the unchanged chunks of data.

P2P rsync?

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Re: [Cooker] Invalid Key ID

2003-08-20 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Mon Aug 18 10:33 +0100, John Allen wrote:
 On Monday 18 August 2003 09:26, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote:
  Buchan Milne [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
   Are you sure? Check with:
   $ rpm -qa 'gpg-pubkey*'
 
  simplifying this by rpm -q gpg-pubkey on twiki.
 
 Ok, I zapped all the keys in my database, then added RPM-GPG-KEYS.
 
 Then in Software Sources Manager choose Manage Keys-Add a key, and jey 
 presto the new key is available.

Anybody know of a way to do this from the CLI... there's nothing in the
urpmi docs that I can see...

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Re: [Cooker] Invalid Key ID

2003-08-20 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Wed Aug 20  3:37 -0400, Levi Ramsey wrote:
 On Mon Aug 18 10:33 +0100, John Allen wrote:
  On Monday 18 August 2003 09:26, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote:
   Buchan Milne [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Are you sure? Check with:
$ rpm -qa 'gpg-pubkey*'
  
   simplifying this by rpm -q gpg-pubkey on twiki.
  
  Ok, I zapped all the keys in my database, then added RPM-GPG-KEYS.
  
  Then in Software Sources Manager choose Manage Keys-Add a key, and jey 
  presto the new key is available.
 
 Anybody know of a way to do this from the CLI... there's nothing in the
 urpmi docs that I can see...

Never mind... manually upgrading to urpmi-4.4-22mdk got me the keys
added, though there are a couple of problems:

1) PLF key (caba22ae) is assigned for my remote Cooker source (which I
use as a backup in the event that I need a package I normally exclude
from my local mirror).

2) local mirror has no key assigned, but attempts to install some
packages (not all, vim-common (but not any other vim packages) and
postfix did not result in this behavior) failed with signature issues.

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Re: [Cooker] Software submission for the Mandrake distribution

2003-08-20 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Wed Aug 20 18:20 +0200, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote:
 anyway, it's understandable: free beer means free of charge,
 there's no freedom background in getting free beer.

Am I the only one who's been waiting for someone to muddy those waters
with a beer whose recipe is GPL'd? ;o)

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Re: [Cooker] Software submission for the Mandrake distribution

2003-08-20 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Wed Aug 20 17:45 -0400, Austin wrote:
 On 08/20/03 11:12:03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I will probably never use this, but I think it _is_ a valuable addition to
 the distro. Even if nobody uses it is looks like in a press release.
 In this case, being a little less extremistic could be a good thing.
 
 You are right... idealism doesn't sell a distro.  Don't forget though that 
 the CD's don't make the distro.  Not everything on the CDs has to be free, 
 but everything that is part of the downloadable distro should be as close 
 to free as possible IMHO.

Indeed, including these tools as part of the boxed sets or making them
only available to Club members may be a useful compromise.

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Re: [Cooker] Mutray 0.2 released

2003-08-20 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Thu Aug 21  1:17 +0100, Mike Dransfield wrote:
 rpm --rebuild mutray-0.2-1mdk.src.rpm
 Installing mutray-0.2-1mdk.src.rpm
 warning: user david does not exist - using root
 warning: group david does not exist - using root
 warning: user david does not exist - using root
 warning: group david does not exist - using root

So?

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Re: [Cooker] Pbm with cooker ML

2003-08-15 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Fri Aug 15 11:46 +0200, Dave Cotton wrote:
 On Fri, 2003-08-15 at 11:41, Frederic Soulier wrote:
  Hi
  
  There seems to be a pbm with cooker ML, I'm receiving very few emails
  and a couple of emails I sent never showed up...
  So just checking.
 
 Come on Frederic, it's a national holiday here today, and perhaps
 everyone else is busy patching Windows systems ready for tomorrow :)

Also, I imagine Austin and any other contributors from certain parts of
the US and Canada had some power problems...

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[Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] perl-URPM-0.93-1mdk

2003-08-14 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Wed Aug 06 20:00 +0200, François Pons wrote:
 * Wed Aug 06 2003 Fran?ois Pons [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0.93-1mdk
 
 - added URPM::Signature for handling armored gpg file and
   internal rpm pubkey.

Does this mean that urpmi won't prompt on PLF packages?

If it does, then I worship the ground on which you walk...

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Re: [Cooker] Re: Re: [Contrib-Rpm] kernel-2.6-2.6.0-0.test2.2mdk

2003-08-14 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Thu Aug 07 22:08 +0200, Buchan Milne wrote:
 On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Levi Ramsey wrote:
 
  On Thu Aug 07 15:34 -0400, David Walser wrote:
   Apparently they can now, but they used to be totally illegal, and for good 
   reason.  It makes it near impossible to parse the filename.
  
  Parse it from the end...
 
 I was going to suggest that too, but couldn't come up with a regex. 
 Where's yours? ;-).

Will BNF do?

package_filename ::==
package_name-version-version.arch.rpm

;; Not sure if all valid characters
package_name ::== {valid_chars | - | +}

version ::== {valid_chars}

;; Not completely valid BNF syntax here, but I don't
;; feel like putting in bars between all characters...

valid_chars ::==
ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz123456789.

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Re: [Cooker] dm - prefer kdm or gdm

2003-08-14 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Tue Aug 05 13:02 +0200, Buchan Milne wrote:
 FACORAT Fabrice wrote:
  Le mar 05/08/2003 à 02:56, Levi Ramsey a écrit :
 
 
 I've been thinking that maybe a DrakSudo module in DrakX might be useful
 as well, to help get a working sudoers configuration.  With a proper
 sudo setup, root login is truly unnecessary for a large percentage of
 administrative tasks.  If this could be task-based, even better.
 
  good idea, very good idea, a must have.
 
 
 A good default config would also help ... maybe we should start
 collecting some on the wiki?

I'm not necessarily sure that the default sudo configuration should be
anything but totally locked down.  Maybe the most reasonable default is
something like:
%wheel  ALL=(ALL)   ALL
which would require a password to attain all root privileges, but only
if you're in group wheel.  Couple this with a place (near the end of the
installer?  It's been a long time since I last used the installer...)
where an administrative alias can be specified, which would simply
place the selected user(s) into the wheel group, and I think you've got
a winner.

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Re: [Cooker] 9.2 MEDIAS - MEDIA

2003-08-14 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Mon Aug 11  8:30 -0600, Alvin Austin wrote:
 Hello,
 
 Just a minor QA correction before 9.2 gets released.
 
 There are many instances of  medias in the locales and in the title 
 Software Medias Manager. There is no such word.
 
 Media is already a plural and should be used instead.
 
 Keep up the great work!

Probably won't be fixed... too much internal stuff will be affected.

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Re: [Cooker] Re: Re: [Contrib-Rpm] kernel-2.6-2.6.0-0.test2.2mdk

2003-08-14 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Thu Aug 07 15:34 -0400, David Walser wrote:
 Apparently they can now, but they used to be totally illegal, and for good reason.  
 It makes it near impossible to parse the filename.

Parse it from the end...

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Re: [Cooker] Kmail Problem?? Possible Dup

2003-08-14 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Mon Aug 11 11:31 -0600, Ken Thompson wrote:
  If you really care, install a SMTP server and perform headers rewriting.
 Can't, ISP limitations.

If you just set the SMTP server to accept connections from localhost,
there is no way the ISP can know...

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Re: [Cooker] Re: kde splitting: some problems

2003-08-14 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Sun Aug 10 22:38 -0400, Greg Meyer wrote:
 Cooker #1: I use kmail but not knode, so why can't we do like SuSE and allow 
 me to install kmail and not knode and all the other stuff that comes in 
 kdenetwork that I don't need.
 
 Cooker #2:  But it makes it so much easier to manage KDE packaging to just 
 keep it all together, and disk space is cheap now anyway, so that shouldn't 
 be an issue.
 
 Cooker #1:  But I don't like having stuff installed I don't use even though I 
 have the disk space.  And what about the users on dial-up? Why should we make 
 them download all of kdenetwork when all they need is kmail.
 
 Cooker #2: But it is crazy to make a zillion KDE packages.  How will people 
 know what they nedd?

Another argument in favor of splitting is that it minimizes the need to
upload a massive package when one small component changes...

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Re: [Cooker] Mailman 2.1.2-5mdk

2003-08-14 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Tue Aug 05 15:05 -0700, David Guntner wrote:
 I'm hoping that someone can steer me in the right direction here.  I 
 downloaded the 2.1.2-5mdk rpm file from www.rpmfind.net, which was listed 
 as a cooker distribution (hence my question here :).
 
 I'm running into a number of oddities that I'm hoping someone can help me 
 straighten out.

Mixing packages from cooker and a stable release is generally a recipe
for oddities...

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Re: [Cooker] Re: kde splitting: some problems

2003-08-14 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Mon Aug 11 23:07 +0200, Michael Scherer wrote:
 rsync can take this in account and tranfer less bytes, because if 10 
 packages are uploaded, but only one is really a new version, the other 
 would only changed by some headers and the changelog.

Not necessarily... first of all, in the case where we have monolithic
packages, only one package need be updated (although all the kde*
packages seem to be updated in unison) and this is the one with the
significant changes are made.  Furthermore, both source and binaries are
compressed within the rpm, which is something guaranteed to confuse
rsync (try compressing a large file, then making a slight edit and
recompressing... diff output should be far more extensive than your edit
would imply).  The only thing that rsync helps with is the RPM headers,
which for a package that's a candidate for splitting are generally a
tiny portion of the RPM.

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Re: [Cooker] urpmi status [was Status Check]

2003-08-14 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Thu Aug 07 18:44 -0700, Quel Qun wrote:
 On Thu, 2003-08-07 at 13:11, Buchan Milne wrote:
 ...
  If you have a mildly recent urpmi, it should not be necessary, since:
  # urpmi --auto-select --auto --keep 
  should work (BTW, I run this in cron)
  
 Yep, urpmi is getting even better than manual installs. Very good work.
 
 One question, though. I have defined a cooker source on a local drive
 and a contrib source online. However, the hdlist2.cz is part of cooker,
 so I have it locally. Would there be a way to define this local file in
 the 'with' setup of the contrib source.
 
 For now, every time I run 'urpmi.update contrib' it fetches again the
 file from the mirror.
 
 Apologies if there is an obvious answer. There is an --update option to
 urpmi.addmedia, but I don't quite understand the man page:

I use the same basic setup.  Basically, what I do is not download *any*
hdlists for Cooker, and provide my own base/hdlists file:

hdlist.cz   RPMSCooker

After downloading, I run gendistrib on that and, tada, only cooker is
described in my local mirror...

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Re: [Cooker] Silly kernel rpm dependancies...

2003-08-14 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Wed Aug 06 15:28 +0100, Mark Watts wrote:
 Also, /usr/src/RPM/RPMS is hardcoded into this package, so I can't build it as 
 a user (there shouldn't be any requirement to be root to build a kernel, only 
 to actually install one although this may have a bearing on the 
 kernel-source.rpm...)

Uh... rpm --rebuild'ing on my system builds it in ~/RPM... I didn't do a
complete build (not enough time), but the resulting RPMs should be in
~/RPM/RPMS.

[levi @ tatiana | 12:36:28] SPECS cat kernel-2.4.spec | grep
/usr/src/RPM
[levi @ tatiana | 12:36:51] SPECS

Perchance, what does

cat /home/levi/.rpmmacros | grep _topdir

output?

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Re: [Cooker] Package proposal: wallpaper-dir

2003-08-14 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Wed Aug 13 10:38 +0800, Abel Cheung wrote:
 On 2003-08-12(Tue) 19:02:42 -0400, Levi Ramsey wrote:
  The attached specfile creates a dummy package which will create and own
  /usr/share/wallpapers/ which is currently owned by kdebase-common (and
  possibly by other packages).  However, it is quite plausible that other
  packages that would have no reason to require KDE, thus implying that
  some type of ownership of that directory would be required.
 
 Actually I'd think this should be put into filesystem package instead,
 since filesystem package is already there for this purpose. Creating
 more packages solely for owning each directory sounds unnecessary and
 over-engineered to me.

I'm not sure that this belongs in the filesystem package.  To my
thinking, only directories that one absolutely needs for a working
system should be in filesystem.  /usr/share/wallpapers doesn't exactly
fit that description.

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Re: [Cooker] need for root password

2003-08-14 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Tue Aug 05 15:45 +0200, Buchan Milne wrote:
 Well, we currently have a lot of things in Configuration- that prompt
 you for a root password, to run via su. If they could try running via
 sudo first, it may be better.
 
 KDE has an option for any link to run as another user, but it uses su.

It shouldn't be too difficult to write a GTK- or QT-ified sudo...

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[Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] mon-0.99.2-4mdk

2003-08-14 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Tue Aug 12 15:00 +0200, Damien Chaumette wrote:
 - stick to #!/usr/bin/perl in each file

If I could send packets to qa.mandrakesoft.com, I'd mark the relevant
bug closed...

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[Cooker] Package proposal: wallpaper-dir

2003-08-14 Thread Levi Ramsey
The attached specfile creates a dummy package which will create and own
/usr/share/wallpapers/ which is currently owned by kdebase-common (and
possibly by other packages).  However, it is quite plausible that other
packages that would have no reason to require KDE, thus implying that
some type of ownership of that directory would be required.

This aims to solve that problem by abstracting the ownership of the
directory; packages putting stuff in this directory would simply require
this package and ownership is no longer a problem.  This also clears the
way for a standardized location for wallpaper files, regardless of
source.

Obviously similar packagess could be made for directories where multiple
packages that have no need for dependencies or conflicts between them.

WDYT?

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%define name wallpaper-dir
%define version 1
%define release 1mdk

Summary:Dummy package to own wallpapers directory
Name:   %{name}
Version:%{version}
Release:%{release}
License:GPL
Group:  Graphics
BuildRoot:  %{_tmppath}/%{name}-buildroot

%description
A package that simply manages the creation and ownership of
/usr/share/wallpapers, thus allowing multiple packages to put files
(presumably wallpaper files...) in that directory without having Requires
on unnecessary packages or encountering directory ownership issues.  All
such a package has to do is Require wallpaper-dir and those problems
are gone.

%prep

%build

%install
rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT
mkdir -p $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/%{_datadir}/wallpapers

%clean
rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT

%files
%defattr(-,root,root)
%dir %{_datadir}/wallpapers

%changelog
* Tue Aug 12 2003 Levi Ramsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1-1mdk
- First attempt... let's see if this works...


Re: [Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] postfix-2.0.13-1mdk

2003-08-14 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Tue Aug 12 15:33 +0200, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote:
 -=-=---=-=---=-=---=-=---=-=---=-=--
 #!/bin/sh
 # update resolv.conf in postfix chroot environment
 cp -f /etc/resolv.conf /var/spool/postfix/etc/resolv.conf  /dev/null
 -=-=---=-=---=-=---=-=---=-=---=-=--

Maybe that script should be included in the postfix package with the
sample configuration files...?

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Re: [Cooker] Kmail Problem?? Possible Dup

2003-08-14 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Mon Aug 11  9:18 -0600, Ken Thompson wrote:
 Does Kmail send this info somehow and if so, how can it be turned off?

Yes.  KMail is sending this information.  Basically, it's the HELO part
of an SMTP transaction, which is basically required by an SMTP
transaction.  It shouldn't be turned off; that would be a Bad Thing.

KMail should probably be using something besides the IP (there are
mailservers that will reject non-resolvable or non-FQDN hostnames).  The
output of hostname is probably a better option (though that would
require working DNS).

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Re: [Cooker] Re: [Contrib-Rpm] kde1-wallpapers-1.1.2-3mdk

2003-08-14 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Thu Aug 07 16:38 -0400, David Walser wrote:
 Levi Ramsey wrote:
  [Contrib-RPM]
  Name: kde1-wallpapers  Relocations: (not relocateable)
  Version : 1.1.2 Vendor: MandrakeSoft
  Release : 3mdk  Build Date: Thu Aug  7 21:58:08 2003
  -=-=-=-
  Levi Ramsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1.1.2-3mdk
  
  - Own /usr/share/wallpapers
 
 Uhh...one of the whole points of distriblint is to make sure directories are *not* 
 owned by more than one package.
 That directory is already owned by kdebase (correct) and kdeartwork (incorrect).
 Now you've made another package incorrectly own that directory.

Okay... will fix... I've been getting distlint spam saying that
one of my packages (which puts stuff in a subpackage of
/usr/share/wallpapers) should be owning /usr/share/wallpapers...

To be honest, probably the better solution is to create a package that
simply creates and owns /usr/share/wallpapers (since that's in no way
KDE-specific)...

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Re: [Cooker] Silly kernel rpm dependancies...

2003-08-11 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Wed Aug 06 12:39 -0400, Levi Ramsey wrote:
 cat /home/levi/.rpmmacros | grep _topdir

Damned bash-completion... :o/

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Re: [Cooker] multi-gnome-terminal users?

2003-08-11 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Wed Aug 06 22:48 -0400, Levi Ramsey wrote:
 Just wondering if any reasonably recent cooker users are experiencing
 segfaults when starting multi-gnome-terminal or trying to create a new
 tab...

Never mind... xfs needed to be started...

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Re: [Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] perl-URPM-0.93-1mdk

2003-08-11 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Wed Aug 06 13:18 -0700, Duncan wrote:
 On Wed 06 Aug 2003 12:12, Levi Ramsey posted as excerpted below:
  On Wed Aug 06 20:00 +0200, François Pons wrote:
   * Wed Aug 06 2003 Fran?ois Pons [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0.93-1mdk
  
   - added URPM::Signature for handling armored gpg file and
 internal rpm pubkey.
 
  Does this mean that urpmi won't prompt on PLF packages?
 
  If it does, then I worship the ground on which you walk...
 
 It hasn't been prompting me every since I updated the RPM GPG database with 
 the PLF key (as we originally had to do with the Mdk keys as well, when rpm 
 4.2 came out, as the initial packages didn't import them automatically).

I've attempted numerous times, using different downloads of the PLF key,
to import into rpm... no dice.

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[Cooker] multi-gnome-terminal users?

2003-08-07 Thread Levi Ramsey
Just wondering if any reasonably recent cooker users are experiencing
segfaults when starting multi-gnome-terminal or trying to create a new
tab...

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Re: [Cooker] need for root password

2003-08-06 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Tue Aug 05 12:54 +0200, Buchan Milne wrote:
 FACORAT Fabrice wrote:
  Le mar 05/08/2003 à 02:41, Leon Brooks a écrit :
 
 On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 19:29, Buchan Milne wrote:
 
 You see, instead of making it easy for a user to log in as
 root to do tasks, we must remove the necessity for them to do the
 tasks ...
 
 Agree. The one task which my wife needs a root password to do is printer
 management. If it were possible to avert this OOtB, that would be good.
 
 
 
  sudo
 
 But it also needs to be integrated with the menus IMHO. Does kdesu etc
 work with sudo?

What I'd like to see (though I don't use any DE, so that's not strictly
true) is maybe having a right-click context menu in both KDE and GNOME
where one option is run with sudo;  if it could be set up to only
display this after checking with sudo that the program is usable, that
would be even better.

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Re: [Cooker] dm - prefer kdm or gdm

2003-08-04 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Mon Aug 04 12:13 +0200, Buchan Milne wrote:
 Until we have a best practices for administrative accounts or similar
 document which the user will easily find (win2k3 has a document like
 this) which suggests never logging in as root etc etc (win2k3 suggests
 that you should never log in as Domain Admin, you should change the
 default Administrator account username, and disable the Schema Admin
 group on the Domain Controller), I don't think it is wise to make it
 easy to log in as root.

I've been thinking that maybe a DrakSudo module in DrakX might be useful
as well, to help get a working sudoers configuration.  With a proper
sudo setup, root login is truly unnecessary for a large percentage of
administrative tasks.  If this could be task-based, even better.

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Re: [Cooker] Re: [Fwd: Aug 1 Cooker will not install from hd.img]

2003-08-03 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Sun Aug 03 23:46 +1000, Ron Stodden wrote:
 GC,
 
 Another serious deficiency discovered ...

Actually, it's the same bug you've been harping on for months.  Now calm
down and have a nice cup of STFU.

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Re: [Cooker] Rolling out the welcome mat

2003-08-03 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Sun Aug 03 20:52 +0800, Leon Brooks wrote:
  But maybe the first user that logs in should be assumed to be the
  admin?
 
 Too risky. What happens when you forget about this and put hundreds of 
 boxes out there whose first user will be an admin?

Last question in the install: is the next user who will be logging in to
this box an admin?

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Re: [Cooker] Re: To all those with local Cooker mirrors

2003-08-03 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Sun Aug 03  0:25 -0600, Wesley J Landaker wrote:
 Hmm... well, that could be. I've just been believing what rsync tells 
 me. ;) Looking back on my logs, the biggest syncs I've seen in the last 
 few months have been about ~200MB; on most of those I save about 
 ~60-70MB. So I'm saving some bandwidth on some other things 
 somewhere--and, I am seeing some benefit on contrib which doesn't 
 really any meta info files in it, except the synthesis.hdlist... 
 
 But okay, still, say it turns out that it doesn't work for any of the 
 RPMs, and I'm only saving badwidth on the deplist and friends--I'm 
 still *overall* getting the speedups that I mentioned for the kind of 
 synchronization schedule that I'm using. =) If I just ftp'd everything, 
 that would be ~30% data I downloaded every time, whether or not it's 
 RPM data.
 
 I guess if what you say is true, I'd get less of an [apparent?] benefit 
 if I didn't sync as often, since the RPM data to depslist-type data 
 ratio would be higher.

Or you could just do as I do with fmirror: only download just enough
metadata to allow gendistrib to work, and run that.

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Re: [Cooker] Re: [Contrib-Rpm] starfighter-1.00-4mdk

2003-08-03 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Mon Aug 04  3:13 +0200, Per Øyvind Karlsen wrote:
 On Monday 04 August 2003 02:38, Robert L Martin wrote:
  It also serves as an flag that you would need the SDL libs installed to use
  the game (useful if on your system SDL causes a scrambled filesystem
  hangovers and other misfortunes)
 uhr, not really, you've got dependencies for that one

I think he's talking about knowing not to urpmi this if SDL causes
problems on one's system.

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Re: [Cooker] Re: Re: Re: [CHRPM] imap-2002d-3mdk

2003-08-01 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Thu Jul 31 15:20 -0400, David Walser wrote:
  Kmail is a client and is not related with mailbox formats which is
  a feature of imap servers.
 
 Not sure what you're saying there.

The only possible way there could be a problem, even given that IMAP and
KMail use different mailbox formats internally and store them in the
same directory, would occur if you're running them on the same system.
How many IMAP servers have KDE (and people using KMail)?

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Re: [Cooker] Re: Re: Re: [CHRPM] imap-2002d-3mdk

2003-08-01 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Thu Jul 31 23:44 +0200, Luca Berra wrote:
 i would state that elm used $HOME/Mail for mbox formatted mail folders,
 and has been doing it for at least the last 15 years, so if kmail writes
 something different it is kmail which is broken *grin*

Mutt does the same thing, but the difference between that and KMail is
that mutt doesn't store internal state data in ~/Mail (as I'm getting
the impression that KMail does).

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Re: [Cooker] arts obsoletes current kdebase

2003-08-01 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Thu Jul 31 22:29 +0200, Olivier Blin wrote:
 $ rpm -q arts --obsoletes | grep kdebase3
 kdebase3  
 kdebase3-nsplugins  
 kdebase3-devel  
 
 $ rpm -q --whatprovides kdebase3
 kdebase-3.1.3-1mdk
 
 arts obsoletes current kdebase, how can I upgrade to kde 3.1.3 ?

kdebase3 != kdebase

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Re: [Cooker] Aug 1 Cooker will not install from hd.img

2003-08-01 Thread Levi Ramsey
On Fri Aug 01 14:35 +0200, Marcel Pol wrote:
 On 01 Aug 2003 07:55:26 -0400
 Lyvim Xaphir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 06:34, Adam Williamson wrote:
   Ah, it's another Ron Stodden Special. Had Ron bothered to READ the
   archives before posting his latest instalment of self-important bile,
   he'd've seen the post that told us that the -BOOT kernel currently being
   used is the one from 9.1, and the new one will be introduced soon. And
   we could all have been saved from having to read more of his tripe.
   Pity.
  
  The real pity is being forced to see the bile being belched forth from
  your own punk mouth, which could benefit from a few knuckles.
 
 Oh, come on. Ron Stodden is an accepted troll on this list.
 There's no need to be nice to him, sometimes you need to treat people like
 they treat you, and that's what Adam did.
 I'm not trying to be offensive right now, I'm just trying to say it as it is.

I don't know how long Lyvim has been on the list.  I had almost
forgotten about the [not-so-]lovable Ron as he hadn't graced us with his
presence in several months.  It is quite possible that Lyvim hasn't seen
a poorly-crafted troll from Mr. Stodden before.

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