Re: [css-d] Site Check Please

[David Laakso]

On Wed, 25 May 2005 23:43:06 -0400, Thomas Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Please if any folks would be so kind; just give this site a quick glance
over for me.
http://www.point-reyes-online.com 

[..]

Thomas M. Hall
Dunno about the site map question. You're getting rivers in the body copy  
due to the justified text. IE6.0 is doing a number on it when zoomed, and  
FF1.0.4 starts to break on first zoom click. The image in the lower right  
corner seems peculiar(as though its been cut-off). You have  couple of CSS  
errors. Sorry, pop-ups disabled on all my browsers.

Best,
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RE: [css-d] Site Check - please

[Larry Winfrey]

Holly,

Thanks for the reply.  I am a bit confused though.  I don't have a
:visited selector in my style sheet for the gallery.  Should I create
one?

Larry
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Re: [css-d] Site Check - please

[Holly Bergevin]

From: "Larry Winfrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>Page with problem --> http://nomad48.x10hosting.com/photogal.html
>CSS for page   --> http://nomad48.x10hosting.com/style.css

>in IE6 WinXP the
>:hover's stop working after a page refresh.  

IE seems not to like your - #container a.gallery:visited - selector. 

If you can write it a different way, such as = #container a:visited - or - 
#container .gallery:visited - (since those links have class attributes this 
still selects them) then IE should play nice with them when they've all been 
visited (page refresh).

hth,

~holly 
 
   
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RE: [css-d] Site Check - please

[Larry Winfrey]

 My bad, I do have a visited, misread some stuff. Sorry for that.

Larry
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RE: [css-d] Site Check - please

[Ray Dickman]

>  Holly,
>  
>  Thanks for the reply.  I am a bit confused though.  I don't have a
>  :visited selector in my style sheet for the gallery.  Should I create
>  one?
>  
>  Larry

I think she meant :hover :)

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RE: [css-d] Site Check - please

[Holly Bergevin]

Reply-To: "Ray Dickman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>I think she meant :hover :)

No, actually, I didn't. Larry has a selector for a:hover, but there are no 
rules in it. The selector that is causing the problem is the one for visited 
gallery links - #container a.gallery:visited - which IE does not like the 
construction of.

~holly 
 
   
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Re: [css-d] Site Check - please

[David Laakso]

On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 10:31:03 -0400, Larry Winfrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:


Page with problem --> http://nomad48.x10hosting.com/photogal.html
CSS for page--> http://nomad48.x10hosting.com/style.css
It is using the photo gallery technique from this site:
http://www.webreference.com/programming/css_gallery/index.html

[...]

but in IE6 WinXP the
:hover's stop working after a page refresh. Thanks for the help.
Larry Winfrey

Dunno, Larry. I've used that code and had no problem with it in XP_SP2
IE6.0. My suggestion is to go back and compare your code against Stu
Nicholls stuff.
FWIW: If you think the hover thing is a problem try your page, or Nicholls
page, in IE accessibility mode.
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Re: [css-d] Site Check - please

[Ingo Chao]

It's the similar problem in FF. Once visited, your
rules

#container a.gallery:hover { border: 1px solid white; }
.
.
.
#container a.gallery, #container a.gallery:visited { ... border: 1px
solid black; }

won't let the thumbnails gain a white border on hover.

two options:
- Delete that :visited rule. Question if it is necessary to have a
visited state.

- Question the order of the rules.


#container a.gallery, #container a.gallery:visited { ... border: 1px
solid black; }

#container a.gallery:hover { border: 1px solid white; }

Ingo

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Re: [css-d] Site check please

[David Laakso]

On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 09:30:16 -0400, George Crawford  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I've almost finished developing for a client. It's here -  
http://www.sonnerie.org.uk
I have done a certain amount of testing, and tried to write a simple  
style sheet for version 4 browsers, but I have by no means covered  
everything. What are your thoughts? Are there any problems? One thing I  
am planning to do next is to convert from pixel fonts to a complex  
ems/percentages mix, as I have seen recommended on a few sites.

Any problems, CSS comments, design comments, spelling mistakes?

George,
Nice color, clean, and mostly easy to read site(except maybe not enough  
contrast here and there). Horizontal menu may break a little early on  
zoom. Relative font-sizing need not be complex. Avoid using em on the body  
as it triggers a font-re-sizing bug in IE. Percent(100.01%) on the body  
followed by percent or em on individual selectors works well  
cross-browser(as does not declaring a font-size on the body followed by  
percent or em on individual selectors).
aside: Not sure I understand the splash page, or if one is necessary or  
needed(some images click-able, while others are not is confusing; and the  
layout of the splash page does not seem particularly in keeping with the  
rest of the site).
Should you ever get around to it there's one minor correcton needed on the  
CSS file.

Regards,
David Laakso

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Re: [css-d] Site Check Please

[Gunlaug Sørtun]

Matthew Ohlman wrote:

http://pictures.ohlman.com/tnbidco/index.html

I need to know how it shapes up on some other browsers, especially 
those on Mac.  I've checked (800x600) in IE6, Mozilla 1.7, and FF. 
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated, along with 
accessibility, coding comments and download time.


Download time on modem: readable after 6s - complete after 24s.

Comments:

- The page is weak when font-resizing is applied. IE6 suffers the most.
--

- 'WAI-AAA' ? I don't think so, but we don't deal with that on css-d.
OTOH: I couldn't really find the navigation-links, 'HOME' etc, in a
text-browser, which say something about accessibility.
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- source-code: missing start-tag on 'head' element, and HTMLTidy isn't
convinced that the start-tag on the 'html' element is there either.
Recheck 'xhtml 1.0' validation.
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- css: since the page is suffering from the 'extreme font-resizing
steps bug' on IE/win, and parts of the page drops when I change
font-size, it may be a good idea to define:

body {font-size: 100%;}
... which will cure the font-sizing problem, and go some way towards
keeping the pieces together in IE/win.

div.loan {margin-right: -100px;}
...should do the rest - in IE/win. It's those 'toll Free:' and other
numbers in the left column that's pushing first.

#wrapper {margin: 0 auto;}
...will make the page center in all browsers (since you already have
centered it for IE/win quirks mode).

#navtop {display: table;}
...will also improve the look in standard compliant browsers, when the
page is subjected to font-resizing.

You have used a few '* html' hacks that are a bit overdone. No need to
repeat every line from the ordinary definition - just hack in those few
styles that IE/win needs.

You have plenty of inline-styles. Try moving them to where they belong -
in the stylesheet.


On the Mac: Safari and iCab are doing fine. Pixel-perfect - no, but
close enough IMO.
IE5.2 is a bit more broken, but looks usable. (note that those '* html'
hacks will affect IE/Mac too - not just IE/win, and that is usually not
doing any good there.)

Opera and Firefox on Mac present the page like their windows counterparts.

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Re: [css-d] Site Check Please

[Andree Hollander]

Matthew Ohlman:

I just finished designing this site with a CSS layout, and I was hoping 
you guys could take a look at it and tell me what you think:

http://pictures.ohlman.com/tnbidco/index.html


You forgot to specify a background color for the page (like so many do).

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Re: [css-d] Site Check Please

[T Shorrock]

Sorry, in my Mac e-mail program they do appear as links.

Here are the pages again:

http: //www.vandevelde.co.uk/WebAlbum/index.html
http://www.vandevelde.co.uk/WebAlbum/jane_and_simon.html
http://www.vandevelde.co.uk/WebAlbum/webalbum3/album_index.html
http://www.vandevelde.co.uk/WebAlbum/webalbum3/pages/JAN_000D.html

The CSS...
http://www.vandevelde.co.uk/WebAlbum/layout.css
http://www.vandevelde.co.uk/WebAlbum/presentation.css

The Screenshots
http://www.vandevelde.co.uk/WebAlbum/safari.tiff
http://www.vandevelde.co.uk/WebAlbum/safari1.tiff
http://www.vandevelde.co.uk/WebAlbum/macIE.tiff

Thanks,

Tracy

On Monday, July 25, 2005, at 07:47  pm, Felix Miata wrote:


My emailer does not convert any of the above to clickable links, as
don't many others. As a result of not being able to click them, I won't
bother to try to view any of them. By including a complete URL (as when
you copy the location from a browser urlbar) you present everyone on 
the

list the opportunity to simply click the link to view your pages.
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Re: [css-d] Site Check Please

[T Shorrock]

Hi Rahul,

Thanks for that... I'm relieved it worked on IE 6 - I was expecting 
problems!


Thanks for your comments, I can now get on and do the rest of the 
albums.


Cheers,

Tracy


On Tuesday, July 26, 2005, at 02:37  pm, Rahul Gonsalves wrote:


Hi Tracy:

No access to a Mac, so can't help you there. Sorry.

However, on a PC (1152*864 CRT), the pages look really good (Deer Park 
/ IE 6 / Opera 8). Nice use of colour, and text-resize doesn't break 
the pages.


Wish I could be of more service.

Rahul.


http: //www.vandevelde.co.uk/WebAlbum/index.html
http://www.vandevelde.co.uk/WebAlbum/jane_and_simon.html
http://www.vandevelde.co.uk/WebAlbum/webalbum3/album_index.html
http://www.vandevelde.co.uk/WebAlbum/webalbum3/pages/JAN_000D.html

Thanks,

Tracy




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Re: [css-d] Site Check Please

[Rahul Gonsalves]

Sorry:

Quick recheck with IE 6:

http://www.vandevelde.co.uk/WebAlbum/jane_and_simon.html

The album border has dropped down - below the left hand picture, and the 
pictures (thumbs) are not displaying.


http://www.vandevelde.co.uk/WebAlbum/webalbum3/album_index.html

The images are out of alignment with their shadows - moved to the right 
and down by about 300 px.




Sorry for the mistaken email - I have FF with an IE skin on my work PC 
(pointy-haired boss), so I thought it was displaying correctly.


Rahul.


T Shorrock wrote:


Hi Rahul,

Thanks for that... I'm relieved it worked on IE 6 - I was expecting 
problems!



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Re: [css-d] Site check, please!

[Jan Brasna]

http://www.chumpia.net
little concerned about appearance in Safari


Identic. Only the "Go" button is not rendered whole (text truncated - 
visible like "Gc" or so...).


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Re: [css-d] Site check, please!

[David Laakso]

Mason Chumpia wrote:


http://www.chumpia.net

On my machine (Win XP SP2), the page is looking okay in Firefox 1.0.6 
and IE6.  I'm a little concerned about appearance in Safari, since I 
don't have access to a Mac machine.  There should be too many places 
to get tripped up in since the markup and layout are very simple, but 
I guess I can't ever be too sure about what will pop up.  Thanks!


Nice stuff. 16 on 1.5 georgia better(for me); but then how to set   
those 3 adjacent cols below? And, then  there is  IE: and,  16 will not 
zoom-- now what I'll do?
Many screen captures: 
.

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Re: [css-d] Site Check, please...

[rknstudio.com]

Thanks for everyone's input (www.rknstudio.com/sites/mlp_new/home.html). 
This is a rework/redesign of her existing www.mylittlepretty.com website.

I've sinced changed the highlighting on any of the menu items so 1)
nothing happens on any mouse overs and 2) the 'color' is now transparent.

I will continue to search for ideas on automatically centering the window
by resolution/size, but for now the client does not want her site against
the left side of the window.  So 800x resolution visitors will have to
horizontally scroll and all but 1024 will be off-centered...(she uses
1024x and is happy there)  The majority of her site visitors (like 85%)
use 1024x.  I know this is not cool, but she's happy and I will continue
to find a resolution and implement as soon as I can.

This is a cool user list and I've learned a lot from it.  I appreciate
everyone's input.

Thanks again -
Ron


> I am looking at this on a Mac and a PC.  On the About Us section all of
> the text fits nicely, however on my Mac I can't see all of the text at
> the same time and I am required to do a horizontal scroll to read if I
> want to read everything.
> Also, this isn't particular to the Mac, but from a useability standpoint
> it took me awhile to figure out that some of the menu items had sub-menu
> items.  When I moused over them they didn't light up so I assumed they
> were broken.  It would be nice if there was some sort of "fly out" that
> occurred when I moused over them so I would know that they were there.
> Also, on my PC I am running at 800x600 res and the page is not centered
> - there is a fixed margin on the left requiring me to horizontal scroll
> if I want to see the content.
> I like what you have done with the Flash ... for some reason though it
> doesn't work on my Mac.  It loads but when I click on an button nothing
> happens.  I have noticed this in IE 5 and Safari.  On my PC it is fine.
> I think you have made a nice site. :-)  Once some of the bugs are worked
> out I think your client should be pretty happy.
> Jenn
>
>
> rknstudio.com wrote:
>
>>Hey - first time submitting to this list and all...  I'm relatively new
>> to
>>CSS and this is my first complete site design.  There are a couple pages
>>not yet fully populated, but that's just content. (which will be filled
>> in
>>by end of day tomorrow)  Most of the pages are validating successfully
>>(save for the flash/as embed's.)
>>
>>I've tested successfully on the following Windows browsers:
>>IE 6, NN 7, FireFox 5, Mozilla 1.7, Opera 8
>>
>>I have no access to Mac schtuff, so that's what I'm really looking for
>>help on.  And of course the helpful "...this sucks, but I like this..."
>>
>>:)
>>
>>Thanks!
>>Ron
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Re: [css-d] Site check please

[Arthur Maloney]

Hello Schalk,

Thursday, August 18, 2005, 8:19:37 PM, you wrote:

SN> Greetings All!

SN> Please take a look at the following URL and let me know any problems 
SN> that come up. Thank you.
SN> *http://tinyurl.com/8w2lj*


Laptop Win2000 SP4 1400x1050 true colour 32bit FireFox 1.0.6

Home & about us pages Photos dark (not enough contrast)to much black 
particularly the left one  home
page.

Like the mouseover stopping the rolling text nice effect

must ages copyright at bottom
Patricia Pruden
copyright below and then more blue.

overall looks oK

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Re: [css-d] Site check please

[Roger Roelofs]

On Aug 21, 2005, at 10:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi all... I've just completed my very first site using CSS and am 
encountering difficulty with the site in Netscape and Firefox (the 
site completely breaks). The site was fine during testing, but once 
uploaded to the web server things went screwy.


Site is: http://www.bnh.org


The web server is mis-configured.  It should be serving the css with a 
content-type of text/css but is instead serving them as text/plain


Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 03:16:31 GMT
Server: Apache/1.3.33 (Unix) PHP/4.3.8 FrontPage/5.0.2.2510
Last-Modified: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 01:18:34 GMT
Etag: "665824-16a2-430927ea"
Accept-Ranges: bytes
Content-Length: 5794
Keep-Alive: timeout=5, max=20
Connection: Keep-Alive
Content-Type: text/plain   <-   should be  Content-Type: 
text/css



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Re: [css-d] Site check please

[Steve Clason]

On 8/21/2005 8:14 PM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all... I've just completed my very first site using CSS and am encountering difficulty with the site in Netscape and Firefox (the site completely breaks). The site was fine during testing, but once uploaded to the web server things went screwy. 


Site is: http://www.bnh.org


Your host is serving the stylesheet with the wrong MIME type:

Content-Type: text/plain

Should be:

Content-Type: text/css

So FF and NS ignore it. See this explanation:
http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Incorrect_MIME_Type_for_CSS_Files

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Re: [css-d] Site check please

[curson]

On (22/08/05 02:14), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Site is: http://www.bnh.org
> Any feedback you can give would be greatly appreciated!

Checked with: OPERA 7.54 on Gnu/Linux 1024x768
(Mozilla Firefox 1.04 doesn't load CSS for the text/plain issue).
Found what they seem to be 2 different (maybe linked) issues:

1) On each page of yours, i've a horizontal scroll bar present. Seems that
your page width is 10-20 pixels larger than what i can see. On the home-page
for example, i don't lose text, but both the borders of the blue image and the
border of the grey box under it. The same on every other page around there :)

2) The other pages on the web-site have also another (maybe worse)
visualization problem to me: the menu is not all on the same line.
For example, here: http://www.bnh.org/Human%20Resources/hr_hp.html what i see
in the menu is from "About Us" to "Press", then the background blue stops, and
under it on another line, i can see "Room Calendar Contact Us" half on blue
background half behind the white box of main text (maybe cause of different
z-index values).

Hope my english wasn't too bad :)
I'm too new to CSS to help you find out why this happens, but i will look to
see solutions here.

Bye!

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RE: [css-d] Site check please

[Giles Clark]

Hi jackie,

>Hi all... I've just completed my very first site using CSS and am
encountering >difficulty with the site in Netscape and Firefox (the site
completely breaks). >The site was fine during testing, but once uploaded to
the web server things
>went screwy.

I think it might be worth checking your HTML/CSS first and making sure they
validate.

Regards

Giles



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Re: [css-d] Site Check, Please.

[David Laakso]

Kelly Miller wrote:

http://crystalsanctuary.rpgsource.net/designs/rpgsource/final/template2.htm 



I've checked it in IE5, IE5.5, IE6, Firefox 1.0, Opera 7.5 and Opera 8 
already.  Thanks for helping out.


Some screen captures.(Safari, Mac/IE5.2, Win 2000/IE6/5.5/5.) 

I have the feeling your market will not be particularly concerned about 
the scroll bar at 800 in IE6.0-- nor that fonts do not zoom in IE.

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Re: [css-d] Site Check, Please.

[Felix Miata]

Kelly Miller wrote:
 
> http://crystalsanctuary.rpgsource.net/designs/rpgsource/final/template2.htm
 
> I've checked it in IE5, IE5.5, IE6, Firefox 1.0, Opera 7.5 and Opera 8
> already.  Thanks for helping out.

No way typical high-res IE users would be able to use that page. Even at
200% zoom your 11.2px div#body (14px X 80%) text is not only smaller
than my properly set browser default, but also smaller than my browser
menu and urlbar text. :-( http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/SS/crysanct1.png
(image is only properly representative if viewed at 1792x1344 or
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Re: [css-d] Site Check, Please.

[Tom Livingston]

On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 09:08:12 -0400, Felix Miata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


(image is only properly representative if viewed at 1792x1344 or
1800x1350 resolution)


and the percentage of users in her site logs that run 1800x1350 would be  
interesting to know, no?


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Re: [css-d] Site Check, Please.

[Felix Miata]

Tom Livingston wrote:
 
> On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 09:08:12 -0400, Felix Miata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 
> > (image is only properly representative if viewed at 1792x1344 or
> > 1800x1350 resolution)
 
> and the percentage of users in her site logs that run 1800x1350 would be
> interesting to know, no?

As would all other than 800x600 & 1024x768, but I don't think that
discussion would be on topic.
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Re: [css-d] Site Check, Please.

[Kelly Miller]

Okay, I've updated an improved version with the following fixes:

1.  I changed the very large link in the middle of the site layout, so 
it shouldn't break Safari any more.
2.  I added a height to the  on top, so IE/Mac shouldn't be tripped 
up by that anymore.
3.  I resized the sidebars just for IE6, IE5 and IE5.5.  They should be 
usable at 800 by 600 without side scrolling now.
4.  I replaced 14px with small in the top font declaration.  IE should 
allow font resizing now.


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Re: [css-d] Site Check, Please.

[Felix Miata]

Kelly Miller wrote:
 
> http://crystalsanctuary.rpgsource.net/designs/rpgsource/final/template2.htm
> 4.  I replaced 14px with small in the top font declaration.  IE should
> allow font resizing now.
 
The first part of the center content includes the following text: "What
do you think of when you think Nintendo? It's " It's contained in
body -> div#body -> div#news -> div#feature -> div#navlinks p, to which
the following rules apply:

body, html {font-size: small;}
div#feature {font-size: 80%;}
div#feature p {font-size: 90%;}

Small equals approximately 88.75%, so the result due to the cascade is
the p text is 88.75% X 80% X 90%, or 63.9%. To the poor IE user already
requiring "larger" or "largest" text in the first place, you're making
it (unless a rare user who knows how to locate and select "ignore font
sizes specified on web pages") impossible to make comfortably large
enough to read if large enough to read at all:
http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/SS/crysanct2.png

Besides the undersized text problem, the CSS suffers from a rather
extreme case of what
http://developer.apple.com/internet/webcontent/bestwebdev.html describes
as "Classitis and Divitis".
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Re: [css-d] Site Check, Please.

[Kelly Miller]

Felix Miata wrote:


Kelly Miller wrote:

 


http://crystalsanctuary.rpgsource.net/designs/rpgsource/final/template2.htm
4.  I replaced 14px with small in the top font declaration.  IE should
allow font resizing now.
   



The first part of the center content includes the following text: "What
do you think of when you think Nintendo? It's " It's contained in
body -> div#body -> div#news -> div#feature -> div#navlinks p, to which
the following rules apply:

body, html {font-size: small;}
div#feature {font-size: 80%;}
div#feature p {font-size: 90%;}

Small equals approximately 88.75%, so the result due to the cascade is
the p text is 88.75% X 80% X 90%, or 63.9%. To the poor IE user already
requiring "larger" or "largest" text in the first place, you're making
it (unless a rare user who knows how to locate and select "ignore font
sizes specified on web pages") impossible to make comfortably large
enough to read if large enough to read at all:
http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/SS/crysanct2.png

Besides the undersized text problem, the CSS suffers from a rather
extreme case of what
http://developer.apple.com/internet/webcontent/bestwebdev.html describes
as "Classitis and Divitis".
 

There is no div#feature rule in any of my stylesheets.  What you have is 
actually:

div#feature p   {font-size: 90%} (standard)
div#feature p   {font-size: 80%} (contained in IE-only stylesheet; used 
because IE makes text insanely large by default).


But since you're complaining, I boosted up the font size of the center 
section.  I'd make the menus larger too, except then IE'll start 
breaking the layout due to it's invalid behavior involving width and height.


I also removed any classes/ids I didn't end up using in the design.  I 
originally put them in there in case I needed to target something 
specific in the layout.  As for the "div"-itis, if you check, I only 
used as many divs as I needed to get the effect I want.


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Re: [css-d] Site Check, Please.

[Felix Miata]

Kelly Miller wrote:
 
> What you have is actually:
> div#feature p   {font-size: 90%} (standard)
> div#feature p   {font-size: 80%} (contained in IE-only stylesheet; used
> because IE makes text insanely large by default).
 
> But since you're complaining, I boosted up the font size of the center
> section.  I'd make the menus larger too, except then IE'll start
> breaking the layout due to it's invalid behavior involving width and height.

Looks to me like IE is insanely broken with all those nested
font/font-size: XX% rules cascading through a quirks-mode rendering to
itty bitty teensy text on the sidebars
http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/SS/crysanct3.jpg , particularly worse in IE:
http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/IE/IE6FontInherit3.html

To try to figure it out, I reduced your CSS to just these impacting font
sizes (other than in the footer):

body,
html {font: bold small Verdana, Arial, sans-serif}
div#body div#news div#feature h3.author,
div#body div#news div.entry h3.date {font: bold italic 1.2em Arial,
Verdana, sans-serif;}
div#body div#news div#feature p,
div#body div#news div.entry p {font-size: 110%;}
div#body div#news div.entry li {font-size: 110%;}
div#body div#news div.entry div.signature {font-size: 100%;}
div#body div div.menu {font-size: 80%;}
div#body div .hnavlinks {font: bold 160% Arial, Verdana, sans-serif;}
div#body div#navigation form#poll ul li.numvotes,
div#body div#navigation form#poll ul li.result {font-size: 0.8em}
div#body div#updates li {font-size: 90%;}
div#body div#updates ul li h3 {font-size: 110%;}

There's so many apparently affecting the same text it makes my head swim
trying to figure it out, even with the help of Domi, which ultimately
says that the text in body div#body div#feature/div.menu div.navlinks p
(I think) is computing to 76% of my default. BTW, here's what your net
76% in p "size" actually means (in standards-mode in a
standards-compliant browser):
http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/area76.html
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Re: [css-d] Site Check, Please.

[Kelly Miller]

Felix Miata wrote:


There's so many apparently affecting the same text it makes my head swim
trying to figure it out, even with the help of Domi,

Thanks to that list, now there is no font-size related cascade.  On top 
of that, you accidentally isolated the portion of CSS that was causing 
IE to break the columns whenever I tried to change the font size there.  
Now the font size is pretty much medium (except for the right column, 
where I had to use small), and there shouldn't be any stupid cascade 
issues.  On top of that, there also shouldn't be any scrollbar problems 
at 800 by 600 on IE (though I don't like how I had to do it; I wish IE 
actually had support for max-width and max-height...).


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Re: [css-d] Site Check please!

[Moira Ashleigh]

http://www.phillyadclub.com/demo


Hi

Looks the same on IE5Mac and FireFox Mac OSX everything looks like it 
is in the correct places - but you have a font resize problem in the 
search box and at 150% in the top navigation.


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Re: [css-d] Site Check please!

[Thierry Koblentz]

John Haas wrote:
>> http://www.phillyadclub.com/demo
>>
>> Thanks in advance!

Hi John,

- The Validator returns errors:
http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http%3A//philadelphiaadclub.com/demo/

- Submitting the form leaving the field empty brings a weird page
- You lose the headings with images turned off
- I'd use labels with the form elements
- I'd warn people when a link opens in a new window
- I'd declare a background color for body
- I'd use a skip navigation link

The text scales well, but the navigation links are the same color as the
thick border underneath so it ends up not being legible
The site looks good with Styles disabled

A big issue IMO is that your menu is gone without JS support (and the weird
part is that with script disabled, one can see a link to the maker of that
menu (?))

Nice design

HTH,
Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com






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RE: [css-d] Site Check please...

[Steven Olson]

> what I'm looking for a check on is any major layout issues.  

It looks the same in IE6, FF, NS, and Opera on the PC, 
and also in IE, FF, Safari, and Opera on the Mac.  I saw no 
layout problems.

HTH,
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Re: [css-d] site check please

[Keith Burgin]

Mark Mckee wrote:


site
http://sixfoottwo.gotdns.com/~sixfoottwo/_test/index.html



Mark -

The site doesn't validate, but all of the problems are minor and easy to 
fix.  I would suggest validating it before chasing any bugs.


Given what you have up, it seems fine.  Looks good in Safari, and 
Firefox Mac.  IE Mac displays it fine, but the headings are a funky... 
not unreadable by any means.  I can send you a screenshot if you e-mail 
me offlist.



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Re: [css-d] site check please

[Jono]

On 9/11/05 2:17 PM, "Keith Burgin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Mark Mckee wrote:
> 
>> site
>> http://sixfoottwo.gotdns.com/~sixfoottwo/_test/index.html

On my Mac running 10.4.2:
--
Looks good in IE 5.2.3*, Opera 8, Safari 2.0, and Firefox 1.0.6

* In IE 5/Mac, the red "first-letter" is appearing very small as opposed to
larger.  You may want to try changing "font-size: larger;" to "font-size:
125%;" for IE5/Mac.  It is red, just very small.

h1:first-letter {
color: #f00;
text-decoration: none;
font-size:125%;
}

On my PC, running (more of a slow jog really) XP Home:
--
Looks good in FF 1.06, Opera 8, IE6, IE5.5, and IE5; except that IE5 does
not honor the "h1:first-letter;" declaration.  IE5/Win is handling it better
than IE5/Mac in that it is making the first letter in the  the same
size, just not red.

Both IE 5/Mac and PC are as near dead as any browser (except NN4 maybe), so
fixing/hacking to make those browsers happy is a personal, or audience
demand issue, IMO.


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Re: [css-d] site check please

[Gunlaug Sørtun]

Tanya Renne wrote:

http://nolarelief.orchidsuites.net


(all browsers) nav on the left - color should go to the top of the 
footer


Background can only go as far down as the '#nav2' itself. You'll have to
add a suitable background-image (faux column) to 'div#sitecontainer'
behind '#nav2'.


(NS) the whole middle content area slips down below the nav.


CSS-standard confusion...
Fix:

div#sitecontainer {
display: table; <-- delete this
overflow: hidden; <-- add this.
}

(all browsers) I'm using a gif for the list item bullets -- I'm 
blanking on how to get the placed correctly - presently they are not 
behaving.


Not sure what you mean by that...

'background-position' will place it, but it won't 'behave' (at least not
in IE/win) unless the image is altered, the line is placed as background
on the 'li', and the'behaving' part (arrow, I think) is background on
the 'a' where even IE/win can manipulate it without any extra code.

A simplified version with the original image and corrected code, spelled
out to make it easy to read:

#nav2 li {
margin: 0;
background-image: url(images/bg_mn.gif);
background-repeat: no-repeat;
background-position: -5px 0;
_height: 22px; /* Make sure this is seen only by IE/win */
font-family : Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size : 11px;
color : #FF;
list-style: none;
line-height: 1.8;
}

#nav2 a {
display: block;
padding-left: 30px;
background-image: url(images/bg_mn.gif);
background-repeat: no-repeat;
background-position: -5px 0;
}

html body #nav2 a:hover {
background-position: 3px 0;
color: #fff;
text-decoration: none;
}

The above will make a single arrow turn into a double-arrow upon
a:hover, just by manipulating the 'background-position'. A more prepared
image can give you whatever 'look' and 'behavior' you might like.

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Re: [css-d] site check please

[curson]

On (13/09/05 11:30), Petro Verkhogliad wrote:
> Link: http://thomas.tanreisoftware.com/.
> CSS: http://thomas.tanreisoftware.com/basic.css

No apparent problems with Opera 8.02/Linux.
Only think I could say (but I don't know if it was intentional or whatever),
is that i see quite a lot of space between the "menu line" and the beginning
of the text. Maybe this was just left intentional there, only seemed a little
"too much" at first glance ;)

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Re: [css-d] site check please

[David Laakso]

Petro Verkhogliad wrote:


Hi, this is a site my friend and i put together. please check.
Link: http://thomas.tanreisoftware.com/.
CSS: http://thomas.tanreisoftware.com/basic.css
PV

 


Petro, It seems fine in XP_SP2 ie/ff/moz/opera.
You are showing an approx. 165px horizontal scroll bar at 800 in all 
versions of win/ie.
If  you get around to it, there is a minor css error & a number of html 
errors that you may want to look into.
Setting the fonts in points is appropriate for print media, but not on a 
Web screen.
Relative font-sizes (% or em) will work better than pixels if you 
anticipate any IE users will visit your site.
I would suggest a little lead between h1 and h2; and, between h3 and the 
rule beneath it.
My subjective opinion is that the gray black color combination is 
extremely difficult to read (if not depressing), and impossible at 1280 
with 12pt set on the content.

Screen Captures:

Best, and good luck.
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Re: [css-d] site check please

[Scott Glasgow]

Petro Verkhogliad wrote:

Hi, this is a site my friend and i put together. please check.

Link: http://thomas.tanreisoftware.com/.
CSS: http://thomas.tanreisoftware.com/basic.css

Thank you,

PV

<<::SNIP::>>

Well, Petro, not to put too fine a point on it, but the text is all but
unreadable to late-middle-age presbyopic eyesight (i.e. us old farts). The
grey value chosen, combined with the font, simply doesn't provide adequate
contrast. Oh, it can be read, provided one moves closer to the monitor and
concentrates on following the physical flow of the text, but, well, it just
isn't worth the time and effort.

The design itself is rather bleak, IMHO. It seems to be the Web analog to
film noir, which may or may not be the intent, but is certainly the result.
I was unable to determine the actual purpose of the site. The domain name,
thomas.tanreisoftware.com, indicates that perhaps the owner proffers
development services, which is reinforced (somewhat) by the page title,
"BTreeHugger's Domain." B-Tree is a long-established database algorithm,
typified by such products as Turbo Power's B-Tree Filer (now open source)
for Borland Delphi/Pascal. However, no hint of services offerings or any of
the other features of such a site was evident, with the site giving more the
impression of a build-it-yourself blog.

These are stylistic design issues, not strictly speaking CSS issues. Did you
have a specific question related to CSS? If you simply wanted a design
evaluation, you might wish to post this in the WDVLTALK list instead
(http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk). Just a suggestion...

Cheers,
Scott

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Re: [css-d] site check please

[Scott Glasgow]

Felix Miata wrote:

Scott Glasgow wrote:


(http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk). Just a
suggestion...


Wierd site. I can find no evidence of a way to create a login account.


Sorry, I pointed to the Web interface for the list. The account creation URL 
is here:


http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/

About halfway down you'll find a section for Web developers. Wdvltalk is the 
forum for the Web Developer's Virtual Library site (hence the 
unpronounceable name ;-). Although there is some CSS discussion there, the 
list is more generally oriented than CSS-D, which is the premier list for 
CSS questions, on which it is concentrated. I come here for CSS issues and 
go there for general design, scripting, IA, etc. questions which are not 
appropriate for the CSS-focused discussion here.


Cheers,
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Re: [css-d] site check please

[Paul Debban]

>Link: http://thomas.tanreisoftware.com/.

I cannot read your content because the color constrast is not sufficient.

There are tools to analyze contrast at
http://www.nils.org.au/ais/web/resources/contrast_analyser/index.html

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Re: [css-d] Site Check Please

[Peter Jennings]

A quick check on the home page in a few browsers:

Firefox 1.0.6, IE6, Opera 8.02 and NS7.2 - looks OK and FF reports no warnings 
or errors.

IE 5.01 and IE 5.5 - It's all there, but the graphics (vertical navigation and 
pictures) are no centered.

Just for a laugh - NS4.7 looks useable to start with, but crashes when you try 
to scroll!

HTML validates at W3C.

W3C CSS validator throws a number of errors. http://validator.w3.org/

At 358202 bytes to download, it's a bit big. Consider your customers who do not
have high speed internet connections. Those are pretty pictures, but at about 
25Kb each
are they optimised for web? And, sorry if this sounds a bit brutal, are they 
all necessary?

Peter

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:53:34 -0700, Brian Gottier wrote:
> This is the first time I have used CSS, so don't laugh at me please!
>
> Every time I think I am finished...I learn something new and have
> to redo a
> bunch of stuff.
>
> http://www.tv-sewingcenter.com
>
> style sheet :
>
> http://www.tv-sewingcenter.com/tvsc.css
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Re: [css-d] Site Check Please

[Rahul Gonsalves]

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:53:34 -0700, Brian Gottier wrote:


This is the first time I have used CSS, so don't laugh at me please!

Every time I think I am finished...I learn something new and have
to redo a
bunch of stuff.

http://www.tv-sewingcenter.com
   



Brian:

I'm getting a large amount of whitespace at the bottom of the page in 
FF1.0.6 WINXPSP2. It's in the "centerall" class.



Rahul.

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Make PNG, not War.
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Re: [css-d] Site Check Please

[Brian Gottier]

Rahul,
I think the white space is coming from the menumachine 1.74 code down at the 
bottom of the page, but I will check it out, thank you for looking at the 
page. I plan to replace that menu with a MM2 menu soon.

Brian



On 9/14/05, Rahul Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:53:34 -0700, Brian Gottier wrote:
> 
> >> This is the first time I have used CSS, so don't laugh at me please!
> >>
> >> Every time I think I am finished...I learn something new and have
> >> to redo a
> >> bunch of stuff.
> >>
> >> http://www.tv-sewingcenter.com
> >>
> >>
> 
> Brian:
> 
> I'm getting a large amount of whitespace at the bottom of the page in
> FF1.0.6 WINXPSP2. It's in the "centerall" class.
> 
> 
> Rahul.
> 
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Re: [css-d] Site Check Please

[Brian Gottier]

Peter,
I am trying to come up with a new design for my website, one that uses less 
pictures. I actually used Photoshops "Save for Web" to make these pictures 
as small as I could. Thanks for checking my site. I'm new to this CSS, and 
need all the help i can get. 
Thank you,
Brian



On 9/14/05, Peter Jennings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> A quick check on the home page in a few browsers:
> 
> Firefox 1.0.6, IE6, Opera 8.02 and NS7.2 - looks OK and FF reports no 
> warnings or errors.
> 
> IE 5.01 and IE 5.5 - It's all there, but the graphics (vertical navigation 
> and pictures) are no centered.
> 
> Just for a laugh - NS4.7 looks useable to start with, but crashes when you 
> try to scroll!
> 
> HTML validates at W3C.
> 
> W3C CSS validator throws a number of errors. http://validator.w3.org/
> 
> At 358202 bytes to download, it's a bit big. Consider your customers who 
> do not
> have high speed internet connections. Those are pretty pictures, but at 
> about 25Kb each
> are they optimised for web? And, sorry if this sounds a bit brutal, are 
> they all necessary?
> 
> Peter
> 
> On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:53:34 -0700, Brian Gottier wrote:
> >This is the first time I have used CSS, so don't laugh at me please!
> >
> >Every time I think I am finished...I learn something new and have
> >to redo a
> >bunch of stuff.
> >
> >http://www.tv-sewingcenter.com
> >
> >style sheet :
> >
> >http://www.tv-sewingcenter.com/tvsc.css
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> 
> 
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Re: [css-d] Site Check Please

[Peter Jennings]

This is a bit off topic for a CSS forum.

I picked one of your images, the Californian Poppy,
and opened it in Photoshop. On the site it's 29896 bytes.
If I save it for web and chose medium quality (30) that
comes down to 5057 bytes. IMHO quality 30 is virtually
indistinguishable from the original on an image of
this size.

Similarly the picture "The Bernina Artista 200e aka
The Bernina 200 Sewing and Embroidery System"
Comes down from 43073 bytes to 9667 at quality 30
(and 6024 at quality 7, where the reduction is
beginning to show).

Regards,

Peter.

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 22:44:45 -0700, Brian Gottier wrote:
> Peter,
>
> I am trying to come up with a new design for my website, one that
> uses less
> pictures. I actually used Photoshops "Save for Web" to make these
> pictures
> as small as I could. Thanks for checking my site. I'm new to this
> CSS, and
> need all the help i can get.
> Thank you,
> Brian
>
>
> On 9/14/05, Peter Jennings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> A quick check on the home page in a few browsers:
>>
>> Firefox 1.0.6, IE6, Opera 8.02 and NS7.2 - looks OK and FF
>> reports no
>> warnings or errors.
>>
>> IE 5.01 and IE 5.5 - It's all there, but the graphics (vertical
>> navigation
>> and pictures) are no centered.
>>
>> Just for a laugh - NS4.7 looks useable to start with, but crashes
>> when you
>> try to scroll!
>>
>> HTML validates at W3C.
>>
>> W3C CSS validator throws a number of errors.
>> http://validator.w3.org/
>>
>> At 358202 bytes to download, it's a bit big. Consider your
>> customers who
>> do not
>> have high speed internet connections. Those are pretty pictures,
>> but at
>> about 25Kb each
>> are they optimised for web? And, sorry if this sounds a bit
>> brutal, are
>> they all necessary?
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:53:34 -0700, Brian Gottier wrote:
>>> This is the first time I have used CSS, so don't laugh at me
>>> please!
>>>
>>> Every time I think I am finished...I learn something new and
>>> have
>>> to redo a
>>> bunch of stuff.
>>>
>>> http://www.tv-sewingcenter.com
>>>
>>> style sheet :
>>>
>>> http://www.tv-sewingcenter.com/tvsc.css
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>>
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Re: [css-d] Site check please

[Jono]

On 9/16/05 9:50 PM, "olly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
... I'm mainly concerned about Macs.
> 
> http://www.whistlebump.co.uk/test
> 

Looks good in Firefox 1.0.6, Safari 2.0, Opera 8.02, and somewhat good in IE
5.2.3 for Mac OS 10.4.2 (Tiger).

IE/Mac 5.2.3:

Home page:
The bottom of the second box - WhistleBump Records - is shifted off to the
right by the width of the blue thumbnail image inside the box.

About Us:
Looks good

Releases:
The "release-content" box is appearing way off to the right.  I'm not
certain, but it looks like the top navigation may be pushing the "
release-content" box out the the right as it is left aligned with the right
outer-edge of the navigation.

Mixes:
Looks superb!

Charts:
The bottom box - Simon Haggis' September 20 - is shifted to the right by
about 100px, which may be intentional.  If so, I'd align both of them left.

Links:
Looks good

Contact:
Looks good

All Pages:
Hovering between "home" and "about us" causes the underline to appear below
"contact"


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Re: [css-d] Site check please

[olly]

Wow, thanks for the feedback - really appreciated. I'm purchasing a Mac in 
the next few weeks so then I'll be able to cover most browsers :) Anyway, 
until then...

On 17/09/05, Jono <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> IE/Mac 5.2.3:
> 
> Home page:
> The bottom of the second box - WhistleBump Records - is shifted off to the
> right by the width of the blue thumbnail image inside the box.


This is interesting, I guess it could be to do with the img tag inside the 
. I have tried modifying this so it might work now. If not, I can move 
the  outside the . 


Releases:
> The "release-content" box is appearing way off to the right. I'm not
> certain, but it looks like the top navigation may be pushing the "
> release-content" box out the the right as it is left aligned with the 
> right
> outer-edge of the navigation.


This should be fixed now - I needed to set a width on this div


All Pages:
> Hovering between "home" and "about us" causes the underline to appear 
> below
> "contact"


No idea about this, but I guess I can live with it!

Thanks again everyone :)
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Re: [css-d] Site check please

[Jono]

On 9/17/05 5:32 AM, "olly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Wow, thanks for the feedback - really appreciated. I'm purchasing a Mac in
> the next few weeks so then I'll be able to cover most browsers...

Unless you have not uploaded the revised files, the problems are still
occurring in IE 5/Mac.  Nothing seems to have changed.  Did you repost the
revised files?

As for the Mac, I think you'll find yourself using it most often, and then
using you PC for testing.  Once you get your mouse around OS X, you'll
wonder why you waited so long... as long as you have the software you need,
which is the hardest pill to swallow when switching to any new platform.
You can email me off list if you run into OS X snags on your Mac.


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Re: [css-d] Site check please?

[David Laakso]

Charles Dort wrote:

>If you'd be willing to glance at this index page
>http://www.allsaintsofamerica.org/new_site/index.html
>http://www.allsaintsofamerica.org/new_site/css/allsaints.css  
>Theophan (Charles) Dort
>
xp_sp2 ie/ff/opera
Looks good to me, Charles.
Some suggestions:
body { /* deleting font-size: small; will keep children and their 
grandparents at bay*/ }
Wider margins on full page text, and a little lead beneath the last 
paragraphs my help.
Mac/win2000/Linux captures:

Regards,
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Re: [css-d] Site check please?

[Christian Montoya]

It's good, the only thing is if you are trying to avoid a horizontal
scrollbar at 800x600, you need to make it about 2 pixels more narrow.

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Re: [css-d] Site check please?

[Charles Dort]

MANY thanks to those who replied on the list and privately with very helpful
observations and information about my site.  I was dismayed to see that in
IE5/Mac there are serious problems, and I'm going to think about taking the
advice to assume hardly anyone uses that browser.  I'll see if I can find it
in the "stats" on my parish web site.

Christian Montoya wrote,

... if you are trying to avoid a horizontal scrollbar 
at 800x600, you need to make it about 2 pixels more 
narrow.

Yes, I was, thought I had.  But my screen is 1280x1024, so I couldn't
actually see it.  I hate to make it even narrower, but if only a few pixels
will do it, I probably will.  I've thought about making a more "fluid"
layout, but unless I put more columns on pages that, to me, don't naturally
need them, I fear a fluid layout will look pretty lousy at a wide width.
I'll probably nudge the width down a few pixels.

Thanks again to all! 

Theophan (Charles)


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Re: [css-d] site check please

[Gunlaug Sørtun]

Schalk wrote:
> Greetings All
> 
> Please have a look at: www.volume4.com/tc/
> 
> One problem I am aware of and would like suggestions on is the top 
> navigation. In Firefox it is perfect but, in IE the padding, margin,
>  background color etc. is totally wrong. Thanks!
> 

Sent this earlier as a solution for the same problem...

No 'cond-com' needed. IE/win will get it right on your page if you apply
'width' to those li.

#head-left ul li {width: 185px;}

...is pretty close in IE6.
FYI: it's the 'hasLayout'[1] bug/feature in IE/win that's both the
problem and the solution here.

You may have to tune values for older IE/win if you support those. I
didn't test. Other browsers are fine with the added width.


BTW: you have triggered "the extreme font-resizing" bug in IE/win.
Add...

html {font-size: 100%;}

...if you want it fixed.

regards
 Georg

[1]http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/onhavinglayout.html

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Re: [css-d] site check please

[Trish Meyer]

At 4:57 PM +0200 11/16/05, Schalk wrote:
>Greetings All
>
>Hopefully this will be the last request for a review of this site:
>www.volume4.com/tc/  Thank you all in advance.
>

On Mac, Safari, when I hover over the nav bar, the hover state seems 
to be taller than the normal state? This results in an unattractive 
flickering effect as you move up and down, and the height of the 
entire nav bar changes when you move the cursor in and over the div.

It looks like the photo should be the same height as the left column 
(nav bar) area, but the left column is taller.

Trish

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Re: [css-d] site check please

[Troy Brophy]

The top nav looks good in XP IE 6.0 and latest FireFox, but I wanted to
mention one thing, from a usability standpoint.

The page links are underlined until you mouse over them, and then the
underline decoration disappears. This is a bit confusing on pages like
http://www.volume4.com/tc/case/index.html where I was tricked into thinking
that I was hovering over the wrong link. (Try alternating the pointer
between the two links and you'll get the impression that the link is dodging
your pointer.) The convention is that if a link is not always underlined, it
will generally take an underline when hovered over, so doing the opposite
might be confusing is situations were a column of links occur.

Just my 2 design cents.

-Troy


> Hopefully this will be the last request for a review of this site:
> www.volume4.com/tc/  Thank you all in advance.


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Re: [css-d] site check please

[David Laakso]

Schalk wrote:

>Greetings All
>
>Hopefully this will be the last request for a review of this site: 
>www.volume4.com/tc/  Thank you all in advance.
>
>  
>
On zoom FF gets it right-- the nav container expands vertically, and 
throws h1. IE only /looks/ correct on zoom.You ignored Georg's 
comment regarding IE's font size bug. Change font-size on the body from 
.9em to 100% as he suggested. And correct the positioning of h1 to 
accomadate font zoom.
Best,
~dL
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Re: [css-d] Site Check Please

[Roger Roelofs]

Reese,

On Nov 21, 2005, at 5:15 PM, Reese wrote:

> We are looking for feedback on
>
> http://inkworkswell.com/clients/monroelab
>
> Especially from MacIE/Safari users. All comments on display issues 
> welcome.

Safari and ie5/mac render the page comparably to ff1.5rc3 except for 
the right hand navigation.  In ie, only on the About Monroelab page, 
that stripe is too far right and the nav is below the content on the 
left.  My only other complaint is that the sub-menu items disappear 
after i click on them.  If a page is part of a subsection, then the 
menu should stay open.

hth

Roger,

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Re: [css-d] Site Check Please

[Sasha Gerrand]

Hi,

The site renders OK in all Mac OS X based UAs.

In Safari (1.3 and 2), the menu on the right-hand side with the navigation
category text is almost starting to greek though (which might associated
with the 'small' declaration.).

No major issues with Mac IE 5.2.

Cheers,
Sasha


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> From: Reese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:15:50 -0500
> To: 
> Subject: [css-d] Site Check Please
> 
> We are looking for feedback on
> 
> http://inkworkswell.com/clients/monroelab
> 
> Especially from MacIE/Safari users. All comments on display issues welcome.
> 
> Reese
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Re: [css-d] Site Check Please

[Reese]

At 18:30 21-11-05, Roger Roelofs wrote:

 >> http://inkworkswell.com/clients/monroelab

 >Safari and ie5/mac render the page comparably to ff1.5rc3 except for
 >the right hand navigation.  In ie, only on the About Monroelab page,
 >that stripe is too far right and the nav is below the content on the
 >left.

Okay. There was an issue with a comment tag that existed on all
pages, but which manifested on this one page only AFAIK, please
look again to see if that has been resolved. If not, we would
really appreciate a screenshot.

 >My only other complaint is that the sub-menu items disappear
 >after i click on them.  If a page is part of a subsection, then the
 >menu should stay open.

I'll have to learn more about Javascript to make that happen.

Reese

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Re: [css-d] Site Check Please

[Reese]

re: http://www.inkworkswell.net/booth/monroelab/

At 23:36 21-11-05, Sasha Gerrand wrote:
 >In Safari (1.3 and 2), the menu on the right-hand side with the navigation
 >category text is almost starting to greek though (which might associated
 >with the 'small' declaration.).

Uhm, sorry. What does "greek through" mean in this context?

Reese

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Re: [css-d] Site Check Please

[Christian Montoya]

On 11/26/05, Reese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> re: http://www.inkworkswell.net/booth/monroelab/
>

These are apparently invalid: “solutions”

According to: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/emen/

"Do not, under any circumstances, use “ through • for curly quotes."

You should use:

“ for an opening double quote (Ctrl + ` " in Word).
” for a closing double quote (Ctrl + ' " in Word).

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Re: [css-d] Site Check Please

[David Laakso]

Joshua Roark wrote:

>I have a site I am working on and it is a WordPress template used as-is per 
>client request.  I don't currently have Win/IE 5.x available to test the site 
>layout.  I am told the site breaks unpleasantly in Win/IE 5.x and some 
>assistance would be appreciated.  Presently, I have tested the site with PC: 
>FireFox 1.5, IE 6; Mac: IE 5.2, FireFox 1.5, Safari 1.3.1
>The site is http://www.tailgatessportscafe.com/index.php
>CSS: http://www.tailgatessportscafe.com/wp-content/themes/connections/style.css
>I appreciate the assistance and feedback.
>Thanks,
>Josh
>
Josh,
I believe the problem is versions of IE before IE6/strict use a 
different box model. The right column is too wide in those versions, and 
the float drops.
See: 
There are any number of ways (hacks) to solve that problem:

including methods not using a hack:

A different but nevertheless problematic issue is the font rendering in 
IE. You have set the font-size on the body in em's. This triggers a bug 
in ie causing all your fonts to go goofy on zoom. Complicating it 
further, you've got the content in pixels. So everything goes goofy 
except the content text-- and it does /not/ zoom.
--Set font-size 100.01%/1.2 on the body.
--Use em's for font size thereafter and a raw number for line 
height(1.1, 1.2)
--1em for the content text is cool.
Best,
~dL
PS The calendar breaks the layout on zoom in ff. Personally, I could 
never figure out why they are on sites as most everyone has a perfectly 
good one on their machine.
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Re: [css-d] Site Check Please

[David Laakso]

Matthew Ohlman wrote:
> Good Evening CSS-D,
>
> I was hoping someone could give me a quick site check on the following 
> design.  I would especially appreciate a review of IE on Mac if possible 
> since I do not have access to a Mac.  General comments and suggestions 
> are very much appreciated if you have any.
>
> The site is:  http://www.ohlman.com/sldc/index.html
>
> Thanks so much in advance,
> Matthew
>
>
>
>
>   

Nice visual.  No got Mac/IE. Power users on compliant browsers /may/ 
break it with heavy-hand font-scaling regardless of the OS. IE7.0 holds. 
IE6.0 drops the right column float at text-size "largest."
Best,
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Re: [css-d] Site Check Please

[Ingo Chao]

David Laakso wrote:
> Matthew Ohlman wrote:
>> ...  I would especially appreciate a review of IE on Mac if possible
>> since I do not have access to a Mac.  General comments and suggestions 
>> are very much appreciated if you have any.
>>
>> The site is:  http://www.ohlman.com/sldc/index.html
>

IE Mac:
in general: if you need to support IE-Mac, buy a Mac :) and read 
Philippe's IE-Mac bugs and oddities pages.
http://www.l-c-n.com/IE5tests/

1)
Several background-images are missing, therefore, the menu is not usable.
-> don't use single quotes

2)
right column drops down

-> if you, for some reasons, don't want to filter the IE-Win Hacks per 
Conditional Comments: Note that * html is read by IE-Mac too. Use the
IE-Mac commented backslash hack to hide your * html rules from IE-Mac.


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Re: [css-d] Site Check Please

[Philippe Wittenbergh]

Ingo Chao wrote:

> IE Mac:
> in general: if you need to support IE-Mac, buy a Mac :) and read
> Philippe's IE-Mac bugs and oddities pages.
> http://www.l-c-n.com/IE5tests/

Lol - yes read them,
and buy a Mac.

> [...]
> 2)
> right column drops down
>
> -> if you, for some reasons, don't want to filter the IE-Win Hacks per
> Conditional Comments: Note that * html is read by IE-Mac too. Use the
> IE-Mac commented backslash hack to hide your * html rules from IE-Mac.
or more robust: wrap your things in an @media filter.
@media screen {
/* my beautiful hacks */
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Re: [css-d] Site Check Please

[Jason Crosse]

Matthew Ohlman wrote:
> Good Evening CSS-D,
> 
> I was hoping someone could give me a quick site check on the following 
> design.  I would especially appreciate a review of IE on Mac if possible 
> since I do not have access to a Mac.  General comments and suggestions are 
> very much appreciated if you have any.
> 
> The site is:  http://www.ohlman.com/sldc/index.html
> 
> Thanks so much in advance, Matthew

Personally, I think that IE/Mac is such an esoteric and combination that it 
would be acceptable to serve IE on Mac a "reset" stylesheet, or just serve 
unstyled. So long as any user with that OS/Browser combo is able to access the 
content you're OK. 

You'd be unlucky to have a user with the Mac/IE combo anyway, IMO.
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Re: [css-d] Site Check Please

[Matthew Ohlman]

Jason, Ingo, and David,

Thanks so much for your input and time.  I made a few of the changes you 
suggested, but I don't guess I will go to far trying to support for 
IE/Mac.  I guess the number of users using that combination would be 
slim these days, plus I don't think I will get very far without having 
easy access to a Mac! :-D

Thanks again,
Matthew


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Re: [css-d] Site Check Please

[Marcus Taylor]

Matthew,

Thought I'd chip in.

I've been using a Mac for years, and not even I know how to get hold of a
Mac with IE5 now. Microsoft ditched it years ago. I think it was out on some
of the first builds of OSX and on old OS9.

If I was developing Google I'd develop for it, but if it's for a smaller
site (not to demean), switch styles off or do a browser check and tell 'em
to go get Safari or Firefox.

Marcus

> Jason, Ingo, and David,
> 
> Thanks so much for your input and time.  I made a few of the changes you
> suggested, but I don't guess I will go to far trying to support for
> IE/Mac.  I guess the number of users using that combination would be
> slim these days, plus I don't think I will get very far without having
> easy access to a Mac! :-D
> 
> Thanks again,
> Matthew


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Re: [css-d] Site Check Please

[Tigdh Glesain]

Hallo Matthew,

I hope this delay response helps to further reaffirm the advice given so
far...

For what its worth, I am one of those folks using an iMac Flat panel 800Ghz.
I have IE 5.2Mac and have never used it personally, other than when I was
checking site I was building.

IE5 Mac was just a big fat pain in the Derry Air, and I would have no qualms
in saying to you, the number of people with Macs who would still be using
it, well, you could count them on the fingers of my left hand.

Can you see my left hand from where you are?  (O:

Cheers, Tigdh

P.S. Thanks again to all on this site who are all helping me immensely.


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> Jason, Ingo, and David,
> 
> Thanks so much for your input and time.  I made a few of the changes you
> suggested, but I don't guess I will go to far trying to support for
> IE/Mac.  I guess the number of users using that combination would be
> slim these days, plus I don't think I will get very far without having
> easy access to a Mac! :-D
> 
> Thanks again,
> Matthew
> 
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Re: [css-d] Site check please

[Mark Wheeler]

On Jul 11, 2007, at 9:20 AM, Gary Benson wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Could I trouble you for site check of http://www.relaxshiatsu.co.uk/
> please?  I use Firefox on Linux so Windows and Mac checks are
> especially welcome, as are any general comments and suggestions you
> may have.
>
> If it helps, this is what I see when I look at it:
>
>   http://www.relaxshiatsu.co.uk/links/70f13fd1.png
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Gary
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Hi Gary,

It looks good in FF 2.0.0.4 (Mac) and Safari 2.0.4. Nice and clean.

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Re: [css-d] Site check please

[Ray Leventhal]

Gary Benson wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Could I trouble you for site check of http://www.relaxshiatsu.co.uk/
> please?  I use Firefox on Linux so Windows and Mac checks are
> especially welcome, as are any general comments and suggestions you
> may have.
>
> If it helps, this is what I see when I look at it:
>
>   http://www.relaxshiatsu.co.uk/links/70f13fd1.png
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Gary
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Hi Gary,

Looks as good in FF/Win as it does for Linux.  In IE7/Win, it looks
'pretty' good, but there's an issue with the curve at the lower left of
your content area.

screenshot:  http://www.swhi.net/css-d/relaxshiatsu.jpg

Hope this helps.

Regards,
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Re: [css-d] Site check please

[trevor bayliss]

Mark Wheeler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  On Jul 11, 2007, at 9:20 AM, Gary 
Benson wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Could I trouble you for site check of http://www.relaxshiatsu.co.uk/
> please? I use Firefox on Linux so Windows and Mac checks are
> especially welcome, as are any general comments and suggestions you
> may have.
>
> If it helps, this is what I see when I look at it:
>
> http://www.relaxshiatsu.co.uk/links/70f13fd1.png
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Gary
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Hi Gary,

It looks good in FF 2.0.0.4 (Mac) and Safari 2.0.4. Nice and clean.

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  Hi Gary it looks like this in IE http://216.219.94.105/shiatsu.JPG
   

   
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Re: [css-d] Site check please

[Matthew Ohlman]

Gary Benson wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Could I trouble you for site check of http://www.relaxshiatsu.co.uk/
> please?  I use Firefox on Linux so Windows and Mac checks are
> especially welcome, as are any general comments and suggestions you
> may have.
>
>
>   
Looks great Gary.  The curve problem that Ray mentioned is also 
appearing in IE6 Windows--just so you know that is only happening on 
your home page.  All interior pages look fine. 

You might already be aware but you do have one error in your CSS.

Other than that it looks good in Firefox 2, Opera 9.2 and Safari for 
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Re: [css-d] Site check please

[Elli Vizcaino]

--- Gary Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Could I trouble you for site check of
> http://www.relaxshiatsu.co.uk/
> please?  I use Firefox on Linux so Windows and Mac
> checks are
> especially welcome, as are any general comments and
> suggestions you
> may have.
> 
> If it helps, this is what I see when I look at it:
> 
>   http://www.relaxshiatsu.co.uk/links/70f13fd1.png
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Gary
> 

Hi Gary, 

Looks good in Windows FF, Safari Mac & FF but not in
IE  6 & 7. 

Here is a link to the jpg of IE 7: 
http://eliazer.com/relaxshiatsu.jpg 

As Ray stated there is something wrong with the
corners in the top & bottom right - they are out of
alignment and also if you look closely the alignment
of the image list markers is off with the text. 

Further more in IE 6 the "Home | Questions" links and
the photo of flower do not show up. 

And if I might add, on a personal note, I think you
should keep the navigation at the bottom of page in
the "Find Out More" section, consistent. I think it's
confusing for the user for the links to be shifting
from page to page. You should offer all links to all
your questions, even if you have a link to the
"Questions" at the top. 

Hope this helps. 

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Re: [css-d] Site check please

[Luis Speciale]

Gary Benson a écrit :
> Hi all,
>
> Could I trouble you for site check of http://www.relaxshiatsu.co.uk/
> please?  I use Firefox on Linux so Windows and Mac checks are
> especially welcome, as are any general comments and suggestions you
> may have.
>
> If it helps, this is what I see when I look at it:
>
>   http://www.relaxshiatsu.co.uk/links/70f13fd1.png
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Gary
>   
Looks well in all Mac browsers excepts Internet Exploder. Maybe

.topRightPhoto {form.css (line 49)
float:right;
padding-bottom:15px;
padding-left:15px;
}

needs a relative position ?

Anyway the text goes after this div.

By the way, why you use zoom ? Sorry, but I don't understand.

#findOutMore {
  zoom: 1;
}

Cordialement

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Re: [css-d] Site check please

[Mark Wheeler]

> Hi all,
>
> Could I trouble you for site check of http://www.relaxshiatsu.co.uk/
> please?  I use Firefox on Linux so Windows and Mac checks are
> especially welcome, as are any general comments and suggestions you
> may have.
>
> If it helps, this is what I see when I look at it:
>
>   http://www.relaxshiatsu.co.uk/links/70f13fd1.png
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Gary

Hi Gary,

After seeing the IE6 photos, it looks like you are battling the .png  
transparency problem in IE6. Have a look at google with:

png internet explorer transparency

That ought to get  you started.

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Re: [css-d] Site check please

[Dagmar Noll]

 > I think you
> should keep the navigation at the bottom of page in
> the "Find Out More" section, consistent. I think it's
> confusing for the user for the links to be shifting
> from page to page. You should offer all links to all
> your questions, even if you have a link to the
> "Questions" at the top. 

I agree. I browsed the site focusing on the flow from one page to the 
next, and became quickly conflicted as to how to proceed as the question 
list changed. I clicked on one question, read the answer, and then was 
conflicted as to whether I wanted to click "back" to the second question 
on the previous page, or use the navigation below. Would I ever see that 
original question again?, I wondered. I was trying to keep track of what 
questions I had read and where questions of interest were located 
earlier in my click path.

That was disorienting until I figured out I could click "Questions" for 
a full list of questions.

I do like the visual design. Crisp, clean. Lovely.

Best,
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Re: [css-d] Site check please

[Gary Benson]

Matthew Ohlman wrote:
> Gary Benson wrote:
> > Could I trouble you for site check of http://www.relaxshiatsu.co.uk/
> > please?  I use Firefox on Linux so Windows and Mac checks are
> > especially welcome, as are any general comments and suggestions you
> > may have.
> 
> Looks great Gary.  The curve problem that Ray mentioned is also
> appearing in IE6 Windows--just so you know that is only happening
> on your home page.  All interior pages look fine.
> 
> You might already be aware but you do have one error in your CSS.

Do you mean the zoom thing, or something else?

Cheers,
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Re: [css-d] Site check please

[Gary Benson]

Luis Speciale wrote:
> Gary Benson a écrit :
> > Could I trouble you for site check of http://www.relaxshiatsu.co.uk/
> > please?
[snip]
> By the way, why you use zoom ? Sorry, but I don't understand.
> 
> #findOutMore {
>   zoom: 1;
> }

It forces hasLayout on the #findOutMore div which stops it
extending under the photo on the main page.

 http://archivist.incutio.com/viewlist/css-discuss/90171

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Re: [css-d] Site check please

[Gary Benson]

Dagmar Noll wrote:
> Elli Vizcaino wrote:
> > I think you should keep the navigation at the bottom of page in
> > the "Find Out More" section, consistent. I think it's confusing
> > for the user for the links to be shifting from page to page. You
> > should offer all links to all your questions, even if you have a
> > link to the "Questions" at the top.
> 
> I agree. I browsed the site focusing on the flow from one page to
> the next, and became quickly conflicted as to how to proceed as the
> question list changed. I clicked on one question, read the answer,
> and then was conflicted as to whether I wanted to click "back" to
> the second question on the previous page, or use the navigation
> below. Would I ever see that original question again?, I wondered.
> I was trying to keep track of what questions I had read and where
> questions of interest were located earlier in my click path.
> 
> That was disorienting until I figured out I could click "Questions"
> for a full list of questions.

That's an interesting point.  My rationale for only putting a couple
of questions in the "Find out more" box was so the reader wasn't
bombarded with information.  There's only five questions on the site
now, but I plan to write several more.

Rather than putting all the questions on every page, how would it be
if I put a "Show more questions..." link at the bottom of the "Find
out more" boxes?  Do you think that might work?

> I do like the visual design. Crisp, clean. Lovely.

Wow, thanks! :D

Cheers,
Gary
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Re: [css-d] Site check please

[Dagmar Noll]

Gary Benson wrote:
>  My rationale for only putting a couple
> of questions in the "Find out more" box was so the reader wasn't
> bombarded with information.  There's only five questions on the site
> now, but I plan to write several more.
> 
> Rather than putting all the questions on every page, how would it be
> if I put a "Show more questions..." link at the bottom of the "Find
> out more" boxes?  Do you think that might work?
> 

Gary -

I think that would have helped me, especially if it was written "Show 
all questions", so I know I am seeing all available options as opposed 
to another select grouping. (I like seeing all of my options at once.)

If I clicked on that, what would happen?

Dagmar

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Re: [css-d] Site check please

[Gary Benson]

Dagmar Noll wrote:
> Gary Benson wrote:
> > My rationale for only putting a couple of questions in the "Find
> > out more" box was so the reader wasn't bombarded with information.
> > There's only five questions on the site now, but I plan to write
> > several more.
> > 
> > Rather than putting all the questions on every page, how would it
> > be if I put a "Show more questions..." link at the bottom of the
> > "Find out more" boxes?  Do you think that might work?
> 
> I think that would have helped me, especially if it was written
> "Show all questions", so I know I am seeing all available options
> as opposed to another select grouping. (I like seeing all of my
> options at once.)

Cool, I'll do that then.

> If I clicked on that, what would happen?

It would just be a link to the same page that's in the navigation bar.

Thanks for your help,
Gary

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Re: [css-d] site check please

[Jason Crosse]

On 15/07/2007 12:19, Stephen Oravec wrote:
> http://www.intheholler.com
Win XP - FF 2.0.0.4 - fine
Opera 9.20 - fine
IE6 - not fine.

  1. The darker green borders on the headings e.g. "What's New" are 
very thick. They look ~1em thick.

  2. The right-hand side column moves beneath the left-hand side 
column, and starts right after the middle column ends. I'm thinking 
this is because your "wrapper" div is not wide enough in IE6. 
Possibly a manifestation of the 3px gutter bug?
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Re: [css-d] site check please

[Jason Crosse]

On 15/07/2007 12:19, Stephen Oravec wrote:
> http://www.intheholler.com
Win XP - FF 2.0.0.4 - fine
Opera 9.20 - fine
IE6 - not fine.

  1. The darker green borders on the headings e.g. "What's New" are
very thick. They look ~1em thick.

  2. The right-hand side column moves beneath the left-hand side
column, and starts right after the middle column ends. I'm thinking
this is because your "wrapper" div is not wide enough in IE6.
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Re: [css-d] site check please

[Ernie Finlay]

IE6...Lots of scrolling to do here.

If the Links col.was placed directly under the Nav. col. (it is now to the 
left and under 'What's New ') it would reduce the vertical scrolling.

If the Header and the Footer widths were reduced to the(approx.) combined 
widths of Nav. and What's New cols. horizontal scrolling would be reduced.

I found the Header text a bit difficult to read.

Ernie. :)


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Re: [css-d] Site Check Please

[David Laakso]

Jon Hughes wrote:
>
> I just released my site for my design studio, if anyone is willing, can
> you test it out?  
> I'm pretty much looking for visual errors.
> (I tested it in pretty much everything standard on a PC, but no mac or
> linux).
>
>
> http://www.phazm.com/
>
>
> - Jon Hughes
>   





re: safari/camino
Nice visual.
In the nit-picking category:
-- Short page shift at upper screen resolution
-- A little breaking of your name and the top paragraph and the footer at +2
--No page title or navigqation if images are disabled
Best,
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Re: [css-d] Site check please

[Hakan K]

I checked with IE7 and Firefox. 2.0.0.5

I could not see any major problem. Firefox shows the blue tab texts
like  "Medarc
Ltd.""How we can help" too close to top not vertically "middle"


Thanks

Troy
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On 7/25/07, trevor bayliss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi all. I am at the end of the first leg of my css journey. Very
> complicated stuff and I nearly turned back to tables!
>   Please could someone have a gander at this page and see what you think
> and if there are any problems. I believe I have sorted them all out now. If
> I have any errors (it is, however, validated fine) or anything that I can
> improve on I would really apreciate the collective wisdom on this one. I am
> also interested to hear also how it looks in computers with different
> resolutions-it looks fine for me with firefox and IE. Thanks everyone for
> all your help along the way.
>
> http://216.219.94.105/david1.htm
>
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Re: [css-d] Site check please

[David Laakso]

trevor bayliss wrote:
> Hi all. I am at the end of the first leg of my css journey. Very complicated 
> stuff and I nearly turned back to tables! 
>   Please could someone have a gander at this page and see what you think and 
> if there are any problems. I believe I have sorted them all out now. If I 
> have any errors (it is, however, validated fine) or anything that I can 
> improve on I would really apreciate the collective wisdom on this one. I am 
> also interested to hear also how it looks in computers with different 
> resolutions-it looks fine for me with firefox and IE. Thanks everyone for all 
> your help along the way.
>
> http://216.219.94.105/david1.htm
>
>
>   


Trevor,

You are getting there.

You will know things are working relatively well cross-browser when  in 
IE6.0  you do not drop the far right column float (as it does now) when 
she is in "accessibility" mode at text-size "/largest/" with the 
"/ignore font sizes specified on Web pages/" box  checked [1].

Some /first steps/ toward that goal, might be:

1/ Re-set this:
body { font: /*0.9875em*/ 90% tahoma, arial, sans-serif; color: #4d4d4d; 
text-align: center; }
to (default):
body { font: 100% tahoma, arial, sans-serif; color: #4d4d4d; text-align: 
center; }

2/ Re-set this:
#topnav a {border-right: #d8e1e9 1px solid; display: block; font: 
11px/20px tahoma, arial, sans-serif; color: #fff; text-align: center}
to (ditch the pixel font and pixel line-height):
#topnav a {border-right: #d8e1e9 1px solid; display: block; font: 
76%/1.4 tahoma, arial, sans-serif; color: #fff; text-align: center}

3/ Reduce the font-size of the headings (h2-h6) and content text (p) as 
necessary.

[1] To put IE6 in accessibiliy mode at text-size "largest:"
Go to:
Tools>Internet Options>Accessibility>Check box that reads: "ignore font 
sizes specified on Web pages"
Then go to: View>Text Size>Largest

Best,

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Re: [css-d] Site check please

[trevor bayliss]

David Laakso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   trevor bayliss wrote:
> Hi all. I am at the end of the first leg of my css journey. Very complicated 
> stuff and I nearly turned back to tables! 
> Please could someone have a gander at this page and see what you think and if 
> there are any problems. I believe I have sorted them all out now. If I have 
> any errors (it is, however, validated fine) or anything that I can improve on 
> I would really apreciate the collective wisdom on this one. I am also 
> interested to hear also how it looks in computers with different 
> resolutions-it looks fine for me with firefox and IE. Thanks everyone for all 
> your help along the way.
>
> http://216.219.94.105/david1.htm
>
>
> 


Trevor,

You are getting there.

You will know things are working relatively well cross-browser when in 
IE6.0 you do not drop the far right column float (as it does now) when 
she is in "accessibility" mode at text-size "/largest/" with the 
"/ignore font sizes specified on Web pages/" box checked [1].

Some /first steps/ toward that goal, might be:

1/ Re-set this:
body { font: /*0.9875em*/ 90% tahoma, arial, sans-serif; color: #4d4d4d; 
text-align: center; }
to (default):
body { font: 100% tahoma, arial, sans-serif; color: #4d4d4d; text-align: 
center; }

2/ Re-set this:
#topnav a {border-right: #d8e1e9 1px solid; display: block; font: 
11px/20px tahoma, arial, sans-serif; color: #fff; text-align: center}
to (ditch the pixel font and pixel line-height):
#topnav a {border-right: #d8e1e9 1px solid; display: block; font: 
76%/1.4 tahoma, arial, sans-serif; color: #fff; text-align: center}

3/ Reduce the font-size of the headings (h2-h6) and content text (p) as 
necessary.

[1] To put IE6 in accessibiliy mode at text-size "largest:"
Go to:
Tools>Internet Options>Accessibility>Check box that reads: "ignore font 
sizes specified on Web pages"
Then go to: View>Text Size>Largest

Best,

~dL








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Thanks as ever for the reply David. I have implemented those changes 
http://216.219.94.105/david1.htm and will change the p´s and h´s to make it 
look smarter. The Accessibility>Check box that reads: "ignore font sizes" I 
have done-what a nightmare I feel like I´m back to square one again now! I have 
no idea where to start to sort out the problem the cl div (which is the 
offending one) is floated right. The only tools I have knowledge of are clear 
for this case. I will try clearing right and clearing left and clearing both 
and see what happens. 
   
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Re: [css-d] Site check please

[trevor bayliss]

David Laakso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  
>
> Thanks as ever for the reply David. I have implemented those changes 
> http://216.219.94.105/david1.htm and will change the p´s and h´s to 
> make it look smarter. The Accessibility>Check box that reads: "ignore 
> font sizes" I have done-what a nightmare I feel like I´m back to 
> square one again now! I have no idea where to start to sort out the 
> problem the cl div (which is the offending one) is floated right. The 
> only tools I have knowledge of are clear for this case. I will try 
> clearing right and clearing left and clearing both and see what happens.
>
> 


The word Environment (under the 4th image) may be too wide, thus 
pushing out and dropping the float because there is not enough room for 
it. Clearing is not going to help. Reduce the font size slightly for all 
those h's under the images. And in the mark up the word Environment with 
soft hyphens, like so: En­vir­on­ment. This will cause the 
word to hyphenate when scaled in IE. See if the float still drops at 
text-size largest.
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  What an awesome bit of code the soft hyphens David! Shame it only works with 
IE as it could sort out some of my breaking issues in FF!! ;)
  Stupid question while trying to follow your advice how can I change the 
h´s under the images if the h´s size isn´t controlled by my style sheet anymore 
with The Accessibility>Check box that reads: "ignore font sizes" . I can change 
them fine for ff obviously but for IE how can I do that? Or do I need to use a 
default tag that will give me a default size?
   
  
 

   
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Re: [css-d] Site check please

[David Laakso]

trevor bayliss wrote:
>
>
> */David Laakso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
>
>
> >
> > Thanks as ever for the reply David. I have implemented those
> changes
> > http://216.219.94.105/david1.htm and will change the p´s and h´s to
> > make it look smarter. The Accessibility>Check box that reads:
> "ignore
> > font sizes" I have done-what a nightmare I feel like I´m back to
> > square one again now! I have no idea where to start to sort out the
> > problem the cl div (which is the offending one) is floated
> right. The
> > only tools I have knowledge of are clear for this case. I will try
> > clearing right and clearing left and clearing both and see what
> happens.
>
>
> The word Environment (under the 4th image) may be too wide, thus
> pushing out and dropping the float because there is not enough
> room for
> it. Clearing is not going to help. Reduce the font size slightly
> for all
> those h's under the images. And in the mark up the word
> Environment with
> soft hyphens, like so: En­vir­on­ment. This will cause the
> word to hyphenate when scaled in IE. See if the float still drops at
> text-size largest.
> ~d
>
> -
>
>  
> What an awesome bit of code the soft hyphens David! Shame it only 
> works with IE as it could sort out some of my breaking issues in FF!! ;)
> Stupid question while trying to follow your advice how can I 
> change the h´s under the images if the h´s size isn´t controlled by my 
> style sheet anymore with The Accessibility>Check box that reads: 
> "ignore font sizes" . I can change them fine for ff obviously but for 
> IE how can I do that? Or do I need to use a default tag that will give 
> me a default size?


The file [1] is now holding in IE6without dropping the float at 
text-size largest with font-sizes ignored. The answer to your question 
is endless tweaking of col widths, font-sizes, margins, padding, and 
adding clear: right; to to the further most right column.

Extensive change has been made to the CSS as well as some changes to the 
markup. Make sure you backup your current file!

Cursory tested in IE6, IE7, Opera, Firefox, and Camino.

You or someone on the list who has more patience, time, and skill will 
need to correct the remaining issues.

[1] 

Best,

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Re: [css-d] Site check Please

[hairball]

On 8/12/07, Tim Offenstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I'm looking at your site in Firefox 2 on a Mac (10.4.10). Everything
> seems to behave reasonably well.
>
> Comments:
> - I can't read the quote at top unless I bump the font size way up.
> - The backgrounds on links in the main column is a bit intrusive. My
> preference is background on hover only.
> - The contrast on both the side menus is too weak (IMHO). I like the
> rollover effect though - very well done.
> - The page holds together nicely on resizing.
> - You have 5 header 1 tags. The recommended best practice is no more
> than two and preferably only one which should be a duplicate of the
> page title. I recommend reducing the h1's. Header markup should
> reflect a hierarchical layout of the page.
> - Your page validates XHTML Strict but there's a  tag in
> there.  is deprecated and should be replaced with . I don't
> know how the W3C validator is saying this page is okay with that 
> in there?!?
> - Good job of commenting your XHTML.
> - I recommend dropping the  tags where possible and instead
> style your CSS to compensate. Strictly speaking, you're using HTML
> markup for stylistic presentation. (Nitpicky I know.)
>
> Overall, very good job.
>
> -Tim
>
> >DUH!
> >Sorry I forgot to add the link been a long night..
> >
> >Can be seen here. 


Thanks Tim

I changed I think all the things you had mentioned .

Thanks again..
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Re: [css-d] Site check Please

[E Michael Brandt]

> Your page validates XHTML Strict but there's a  tag in
> there.  is deprecated and should be replaced with . I don't
> know how the W3C validator is saying this page is okay with that 
> in there?!?

Actually there is a good reason it passes.

It is commonly stated that the  tag has been deprecated.  In fact it
has not, and is actually a better choice at times than its usual
replacement, the  tag.

The  tag, means "emphasis", and is usually represented visually as
italics.  But when you quote someone in a foreign language, or when you
cite the title of a journal article, you would want to use italics
*without* meaning "emphasize these words."  So there you would use 
instead.  It has no semantic meaning, instead it just creates italics
because that is how such text would be styled in the print world.

You could of course style that text via CSS instead, with a class on a
 tag.  But really a  tag has no more (or less) semantic
meaning than an  tag.  The w3c recommends using CSS for this purpose,
but has *not* deprecated the  tag.

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Re: [css-d] Site Check PLEASE

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> Von: Hairball <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Gesendet: 11.08.07 12:44:27
> An: CSS-D 
> Betreff: [css-d] Site Check PLEASE

> I added photo gallery please give pointer on what to improve .
> Thanks


Would you have time to tell people what you are referring to?


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Re: [css-d] Site Check, please

[David Laakso]

Lorraine Barte Nepomuceno wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm having problems with a design of mine. On some browsers (although not
> any of ours here at the office, but that may be because we're all
> widescreen), the right sidebars are pushed down below the main content area:
>
> Sample is at:
> http://www.splashscreen.com/wp/
> with CSS at:
> http://www.splashscreen.com/wp/wp-content/themes/geeks-blog/style.css
>
> Any help would be most appreciated!
>
> Thanks,
> Lorraine
>
>   

The floats drop as the window narrows. Have you tried setting the page 
as a fixed width layout?
div#container{
margin:0 auto 0 auto;
/*max-width: 920px;
width:90% !important;*/
width:920px;
}
Best,
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Re: [css-d] Site Check, please

[trevor bayliss]

David Laakso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Lorraine Barte Nepomuceno wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm having problems with a design of mine. On some browsers (although not
> any of ours here at the office, but that may be because we're all
> widescreen), the right sidebars are pushed down below the main content area:
>
> Sample is at:
> http://www.splashscreen.com/wp/
> with CSS at:
> http://www.splashscreen.com/wp/wp-content/themes/geeks-blog/style.css
>
> Any help would be most appreciated!
>
> Thanks,
> Lorraine
>
> 

The floats drop as the window narrows. Have you tried setting the page 
as a fixed width layout?
div#container{
margin:0 auto 0 auto;
/*max-width: 920px;
width:90% !important;*/
width:920px;
}
Best,
~dL

Hi David -what`s the thinking behind /*max-width: 920px;
width:90% !important;*/ David? Thanks for explaining to us newbies


   
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Re: [css-d] Site Check, please

[trevor bayliss]

CSS guru David Laakso very kindly gave me some code:
  
br.both {
clear : both;
}
br.right {
clear : right;
}
br.left {
clear : left;
}
.clear {
height : 0;
clear : both;
}
   
  Can someone please explain to me what this does and why it is needed with 
strict xhtml. Thank-you in advance.

   
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Re: [css-d] Site Check Please

[David Laakso]

Omitade Adediran wrote:
> I have been reading and reading until my brain just feels like 
> mush...[trimmed]
> http://www.orisadevotees.org/market.html
>
> Omitade
>   


Omitade,

I know the feeling. This stuff can be terribly frustrating at times...

I think that it might be a good idea to just get a simple page working 
cross-browser for starters. Once you've got that working, you can plug 
decorative images into it. Most any dropdown/flyout menu
is really hard to get working properly in iE 6.

This is a /very simple version/ of your page-- quick tested in ie6, ie7, 
opera, firefox, and safari.


HTH.

Best,

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[Omitade Adediran]

 
 
Omitade Adediran wrote:
> I have been reading and reading until my brain just feels like mush..
[trimmed]
>  
I know the feeling. This stuff can be terribly frustrating at times...
 
I think that it might be a good idea to just get a simple page working
cross-browser for starters. http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/un
html
~dL

This is extremely helpful. I have gotten the source code and will go through
my style sheet line by line to see what you did in comparison to what I did.
I hope that I can learn--there is much to be said about self-teaching but it
looks like I really need to take a couple of classes. Unfortunately, I have
nothing like that around where I live.

Any comment on the css validator comment,  Servlet has thrown
exception:javax.servlet.ServletException: Timed out.  ? What it means?

So, thank you so very much, David. Now on to the other page which I fear is
much worse.
 
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