date:20010913


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Yardbird wrote:

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 The local media here is supposed to be following up this angle but I
 haven't heard much except one report on the CBC. There are two ferry
 companies operating out of Yarmouth to the US and Canada Customs never
 checked vehicles leaving Canada - they only checked vehicles entering
 Canada. I don't know how strict or lax US Customs may have been on their
 end of the route.

 On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Bill Richer wrote:

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  Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War!
 
  Terrorists might have entered U.S. on N.S. ferry
  Ticket stubs seized from rental cars

Gentlemen,

Bill Shannon insists that you refrain from calling these
good folks terrorists.

Thank you for your anticipated cooperation.

Joshua2 for Bill

 
  Wednesday, September 12, 2001
  U.S. authorities are being tight-lipped about a possible Canadian connection
  to attacks on New York and Washington Tuesday.
 
  They are said to be investigating the possibility that at least two of the
  hijackers in the attack on the World Trade Centre came from our side of the
  border.
 
  There's speculation they took a ferry from Yarmouth, N.S. into Maine, then
  flew from Portland to Boston.
 
  It was at Logan airport that they would have boarded one of the planes that
  smashed into the World Trade Center in New York.
 
  A car believed to belong to the hijackers was confiscated in Boston. It
  contained an Arabic language flight manual and a number of ticket stubs,
  including two for the ferry from Yarmouth to Maine.
 
  WCVB-TV, quoting an anonymous source, reported that the suspects purchased
  one-way tickets with cash, arrived late and were Middle Eastern -- red flags
  for security personnel.
 
  Prime Minister Chretien was reluctant to talk about the investigation this
  afternoon, but said police had no new information.
 
  He said right now security people are looking to find out who these people
  are and where they were coming from.''
 
  The prime minister said the government has no indication they used Canada to
  get into the U.S. But he concedes it is a possibility.''
 
  A senior government official said the RCMP are co-ordinating the massive
  probe.
 
  The Boston Globe reported that one suspect's luggage contained a copy of the
  Quran, an instructional video on flying commercial airliners and a fuel
  consumption calculator.
 
  Officials caution the information, including raw intelligence, is still
  developing and they won't say if they've asked Canadian authorities for help.
 
  FBI Special Agent Charles Prouty would not confirm the report at a morning
  briefing.
 
  In Portland, a company which sells tickets for a ferry run between Portland
  and Yarmouth, N.S., gave passenger lists to U.S. officials.
 
  Mitch Maclean, president of the company that sells tickets for Scotia Prince
  Ferries, said Wednesday that he's providing information on who was aboard the
  ferry to the U.S. Customs agency.
 
  We're doing a list for U.S. customs for everybody who has travelled for the
  past 10 days,'' he said.''
 
  He said the company has no idea if the suspects in the terrorist attacks were
  aboard the Scotia Princess. There are up to 600 people a day coming aboard
  in a pretty fast process every day,'' he said.
 
  MacLean said security has been tightened at the terminal since the attacks.
  The uncertainty of who caused what has everybody being very cautious.''
 
  Rick Wilson, the manager of the Bay Ferries terminal where passengers buy
  tickets, said his staff haven't noticed anything unusual in the last two
  weeks.
 
  The company checks passports and immigration documents but the passengers
  clear U.S. customs when they arrive in Portland.
 
  Wilson said the passenger lists were handed over early Wednesday morning.
 
  If the photos (of suspects) were ever supplied my staff may or may not be
  able to pick anything out,'' he said. We're anticipating lots of changes.
  We've tightened security.''
 
  U.S. attorney Jim Farmer says any statements might jeopardize future
  prosecutions.
 
  The FBI is also developing intelligence linking the suspected attackers to a
  band of Canadian sympathizers of Saudi dissident Osama bin Laden.
 
  Some are thought to be of Algerian origin, and are suspected of planning an
  unsuccessful terrorist attack on U.S. soil during the millennium
  celebrations.

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Re: [CTRL] Terror At Home- The Price Of Hegemony


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   What the hell we doing supporting a religious state.



Besides inciting acts of terrorism on our soil?

It is HIGH TIME to let Israel sink or swim on their own...take the training
wheels off and let's see how long it takes for them to fall into a BUSH.

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Big talk for a terrorist sympathizer Billy.
Who are you fronting for these days?
The Arab Student Pilot's Association?

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Re: [CTRL] Admiral Moorer Clinton Policies Led to Disaster


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This is all bullshit. Moorer is CFR military hack.

J2


  http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/9/12/121348.shtml

 Admiral Moorer: Clinton Policies Led to Disaster
 NewsMax.com
 Wednesday, September 12, 2001

 The catastrophe that struck America was the result of a decade of military
 cuts and the undermining of U.S. intelligence agencies, Admiral Thomas H.
 Moorer told NewsMax.com

 Admiral Moorer served as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the nations
 highest-ranking military official, and brought the Vietnam war to a
 conclusion. He has served in three major wars.

 Yesterdays events brought back memories of Pearl Harbor, he said. Admiral
 Moorer, then a naval aviator, was present at Pearl Harbor on December 7,
 1941.

 Admiral Moorer made the following analysis to NewsMax, his quotes are in
 bold:

 1. The Clinton administration had a similar view to intelligence agencies as
 the Carter administration. They didnt like using spies. This is why we had
 no warning.

 You absolutely need spies, you need them to melt into a society and tell
 you what is going on, you cant rely on satellites and technology alone.

 2. The actions taken yesterday were the result of perceived weakness of U.S.
 armed forces.

 President Clinton brought the military down and down. He made the military
 like it was before Pearl Harbor.

 3. The U.S. must significantly increase its use of human intelligence, that
 is spies on the ground in foreign countries.

 4. America must remain vigilant.

 This is like what Yamamoto said after Pearl Harbor, A sleeping tiger has
 been aroused. We cant just strike back and go back to sleep. Next time the
 attack could be even more serious.

 5. Soon terrorist groups will have access to nuclear weapons.

 This is inevitable. Countries like Russia and China are providing countries
 like Pakistan, Iraq and Iran with this technology  the same technology
 Clinton gave to the Chinese.

 6. Missile defense is needed now.

 The media is dead wrong when it says this proves we dont need missile
 defense. Soon, the same counties that supported these terrorists that just
 attacked us will have missiles capable of hitting the U.S. We need to defend
 against their use.

 7. No additional attacks for the immediate future.

 I believe they reached the limits of their capabilities with these attacks.
 But they will try again later. They want nuclear weapons.

   
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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: I wish you all could have savored this!


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 Well savor this garbage put out by ADL and pull up the little side
 stories; my god they even try to censor the Egyptian press.

 Who the hell do these people think they are; note, Jewish Egyptians?
 That is a new twistLong Live Nasser.

 Shinta Nationalism..Flying Serpents crashing into NWOand this
 bastard Zionist no doub on TV tongight said hey, this is what we needed
 for a leveling process   spoken like a true Bnai Brith ADL parasite.

 Saba

 Interesting but older stuff.Constitution said provide for the Common
 Defense..but Lieberman said (Holy Joe) hey we are alright - we are
 okay - we are going to meet tonight (the senate)..

 But what about the 10,000 who won't be home for dinner?

You can ask your Arab terrorist friends about that old demented one.

J2


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Re: [CTRL] Admiral Moorer Clinton Policies Led to Disaster


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   The catastrophe that struck America was the result of a decade of military
   cuts and the undermining of U.S. intelligence agencies, Admiral Thomas H.
   Moorer told NewsMax.com

The catastrophe was the direct result of US aid to Israel...plain and simple.

Bill.
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Sorry. This shit don't cut it anymore. It's a different world now.
YOU are a sympathizer of the people who did this buddy boy.
The Israelis didn't plan and execute the mass murders of US citizens. YOUR
PALS DID IT.

If it's Bin Laden who is responsible (and I'm not yet convinced that it is)
then it's the good ol' CIA-Capitalism's Independent Army who created the
Taliban AND Bin Laden to fight the Evil Empire. They did. They won. Now they
are after the other evil empire. The corrupt Christian West. The civilization
with which Islam has been at war for 1300 years. This is the  Clash of
Civilizations  blueprint of the New World Order. Look for our elites and
allied elites to be using these buz words.

In any case, this is shaping up into a war for Afghanistan. The West is using
this case of Arab terrorism as an excuse to demolish another independent country
who doesn't wish to be part of the New World Order. In this case for theocratic
reasons. Which is different from Yugoslavia, Chile, Greece, Italy, El Salvador,
Nicaragua, Vietnam, and Iran. who wanted to exist as either Socialist or just
independent countries. Theocratic, Socialist, or anything else, if their economy
can't be raped by Corporations or investors, they just gotta go.

That's my analysis. It's not my personal feelings.

The US Elites have declared war. Without even knowing who the enemy is. This is
an historical first. It should tell you that the goal is war, and the target is
whatever becomes available while the ' people ' are furious and vengeful.

We need to be careful here. We, more than any other groups know the modus
operandi of elites when they are looking to motivate their people for war.

The government is conditioning the American people for all out war. No worries
about little niceties like collateral damage anymore. No hangups about killing
the enemy leadership anymore. The people are justifiably pissed and willing to
go all the way. These Arab terrorists have become the NWO's best friend.

It's still early on, but that's my guess right now. Let's see if I turn out
to be right.

Joshua2

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Re: [CTRL] Kmart Removes Guns From Stores (fwd)


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  Tuesday September 11 9:29 PM ET
 
Kmart Removes Guns From Stores

 Yeah that's the ticket! Guess that will teach those
 A-Rab terrorists!

Man you have really lost your critical faculties. Removing the
guns wasn't to protect us from Arabs. It was to protects us from
Americans.

J2

 But that is not going far enough. Since the A-Rabs used
 small knives to hijack the planes, shouldn't we ban the
 sale of all knives in America? No more knives in restaurants.

 If you can't eat it with a spoon - DON'T EAT IT.
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Re: [CTRL] Best Wishes, Y'all


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  hey gang,
 
  this whole situation calls to mind an ancient Arab
  curse: may you live in interesting times.

  That is an ancient Chinese curse.

 The Arab curse is may your politicians support ethnic state terrorism.
 flw

Not exactly. That's a Libertarian curse. The Arabs are too tribal to come
up with that one.

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[CTRL] Short Geography Lesson was Re: [CTRL] A Call To All Americans


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 He also ignores the fact, or is ignorant of the fact, that
 Afghanistan is
 not the Middle East per se, but Asia Minor

Afghanistan is not in the Middle East, but it is also not in Asia
Minor. TURKEY is in Asia Minor. For Afghan geography:

http://www.atlapedia.com/online/countries/afghan.htm

LOCATION  GEOGRAPHY: Afghanistan is a landlocked country in South West
Asia. It is bound by Pakistan to the east and south, Iran to the west,
Turkmenistan to the northwest, Uzbekistan and Tajikistan to the north
and China to the northeast. The country is divided from southeast to
northwest by the Hindu Kush and Pamir Mountain Ranges and is divided
into three geographical regions. (1.) The central highlands which
account for 64% of the land area and are part of the Himalayan Ranges.
The Hindu Kush ridge rises above 6,400 metres (21,000 feet). (2.) The
fertile northern plains with elevations of up to 600 metres (2,000
feet). (3.) The southwestern plateau which accounts for 25% of the land
area and is an arid region vegetated mostly by scrub with an average
elevation of about 900 metres (3,000 feet). The principal rivers are
the Kabul and Amu-Darya which rises in the Hindu Kush and flows
northwestward. Major Cities (pop. est.); Kabul 710,000, Kandahar
230,000, Herat 179,000, Mazar-e Sharif 132,000 (1993). Land Use;
forested 3%, pastures 46%, agricultural-cultivated 12%, other 39% (1993).

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[CTRL] [antionline] AntiOnline Warns Of Hacking Fraud (fwd)


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Greetings All:

I want to start this e-mail by personally taking this opportunity to
offer my condolences to the friends and family of those that were
lost this week.  I will never forget those that were taken from us,
and I'm sure no one else in this country now, or that may be born
into this country in the future, will either.

I am sending this letter out to some 62,000 people that are on our
mail lists, as well as posting it on our website, in hopes of
preventing some problems that I see arising out of this tragedy.
While these issues are minor compared to others that our country are
facing now, I still think it's important that they be addressed.

1.  Americans are giving people, especially in times of crises.
Sadly, there are those that seek to prey on this.  I want to urge
each of you NOT to donate to relief funds via links that you receive
from e-mails.  We have gotten and confirmed several reports of people
sending out spam with links to paypal and other such services, that
are not in any way affiliated with a disaster relief organization.
AntiOnline is working on tracking down the identity of many of these
individuals, and will turn them over to the appropriate agencies once
we have completed our work.  So please, if you wish to donate to the
relief fund online, I suggest visiting Amazon's Official Online
Disaster Relief Fund Site at http://www.amazon.com/

2.  In times like this, teenagers and others often are left feeling
helpless.  They want, like the rest of us, to strike out at those
that have attacked our nation.  We have gotten dozens of e-mails from
people that are trying to start hack Afghanistan, Iraq, etc.
movements.  I have been asked by the authorities to urge each of you
NOT to partake in such actions.  This will do nothing to help those
that have been lost, or to punish those that are responsible.  Your
duty as a citizen of this country is to let the proper authorities
handle this matter.  The US Department of Defense and Federal Bureau
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are the ones best trained and equipped to deal with this situation.
Any actions that you take on your own, may simply hinder their
ability to do the jobs that they need to be doing now.  If you want
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red cross, hang a flag, or spend some time to comfort those in your
community that may have suffered a loss.

3.  I am aware that there is a Jam Echelon day scheduled for next
month.  I would like to urge the organizers of that event to cancel
it.  While I am confident that such events have no effect over our
nation's intelligence gathering ability, I feel that at times like
this we should be united in support for our country.  Jam Echelon
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Once again, my deepest sympathy to those who have personally lost
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Re: [CTRL] Chomsky And Cockburn St.Clair On Yesterday's Events

2001-09-13 Thread flw


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What is Chomsky talking about tens of thousands killed in the Sudan by
Clinton's bombing the drug/bio factory?  Amnesty International lists the
count as 1 and news reports 11.  Is this to minimize our loss and trivialize
it?
~Amelia~

The pharmaceutical factory supplied most of Sudan with critical
drugs that could not be replaced for months. It is estimated that
many thousands of children / elderly / sick died from lack of medication.
The US blocked a UN investigation into the deaths caused by the
destruction.

All because Clinton couldn't keep his BJ habits secret.
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Re: [CTRL] SABA! Shut the ____ UP!

2001-09-13 Thread Dale Stonehouse

 Whoever you are, you should know you do NOT speak for open-minded, curious people who want to be aware of as many views as possible.
Evdently you don't understand that it's what you learn AFTER you know it all that really matters.
You also don't seem to understand that the purpose of human life is to reflect ourselves to ourselves so that our creator can have the benefit of that shared experience in a wide variety of circumstances. So when you resort to name-calling and labeling you are revealing yourself as being the very things you accuse others of being.
But of course you probably won't understand a word of this - a closed mind is soon empty.
 ashley Abraham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-Caveat Lector-I think I speak for many here when I say, "Put a cork in it

[CTRL] Don't Sacrifice Freedom (fwd)


-Caveat Lector-

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,34300,00.html

 Don't Sacrifice Freedom

When things went wrong in ancient times, our
pagan ancestors tried to appease the gods by
destroying that which they held dearest, hoping
that their sacrifice would purchase their safety.

In modern times, we sometimes resort to the same
practice -- though what we are asked to place on 
the
altar is not a goat, or even a child, but our 
freedom.

That's what happened after the 1995 Oklahoma City
 Bombing when we enacted the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty 
Act of 1996,
 which drastically enhanced the power of law enforcement in all sorts 
of ways.
 Though even proponents of the act admitted that nothing in the law 
would have done
 anything to prevent the Oklahoma City bombingthe supposed reason for 
its
 existencewe still wound up passing the act.

 After TWA Flight 800 went down, initial beliefs that the crash was an 
act of terrorism
 (a theory eventually disproved) made Americans willing to accept new 
security
 regulations. Those new regulations would not have prevented that 
disaster, and they
 did not prevent Tuesdays terrorist attack against the World Trade 
Center and the
 Pentagon.

 Things may not be as bad this time. After Oklahoma City, President 
Clinton was
 following the advice of political Svengali Dick Morris, who advised 
him to milk that event
 for all it was worth as a way of saving his embattled presidency. But 
sure as
 crabgrass seeks out cracks in a driveway, we will see another such 
effort even if
 there are no political operatives in the current White House who 
think like Morris.

 I have no doubt, even as I write this, that longstanding bureaucratic 
wish lists are
 being transformed into essential anti-terrorist precautions. I also 
have no doubt that
 most of them won't do any more good than the dumb are you a 
terrorist? questions
 immigration officials have been asking embarking passengers for years.

 Worse, this sort of overreaction is exactly what terrorists want. 
Make no mistake.
 They hate us not because of what we do but for what we are: rich, 
free, and happy.
 To the extent that we give away our freedom in the vain hope that its 
sacrifice will
 purchase us a little security, we are playing into their hands. And, 
as Benjamin Franklin
 famously predicted, in making that sacrifice we will in fact wind up 
with neither
 freedom nor security.

 The good news is that many voices are already making this point.

 Rush Limbaugh says that we didn't become a great nation by acting 
fearful, but by
 being free, and that we won't stay great by ceasing to be free. Deroy 
Murdock writes,
 that the Bill of Rights must not collapse with the twin towers. 
Dave Kopel writes that
 The main source of our strength is our freedom and open society. The 
United States
 already has the most powerful military in the world. We don't need 
the symbolic jaw,
 jaw, jaw of more laws, but the will to use our existing war power.

 Kopel is right about this. Increased security measures don't stop 
terrorists, except for
 the occasional bumbling amateur. To put it bluntly, bullets stop 
terrorists. Terrorists do
 what they do because it works: it spreads terror, it inconveniences 
and disrupts
 societies, and it leads to the adoption of cumbersome security 
measures that increase
 the inconvenience and disruption and burdens law enforcement and 
antiterrorist
 forces with so many pointless tasks that they're actually less 
effective against future
 terrorism. If terrorism doesn't work, if the consequences are serious 
and the payoffs
 small, then terrorism will stop.

 Despite the wish lists of bureaucrats, let's remember who the real 
enemy is. And let's
 take the war to him, not to the American people.

 Don't sacrifice freedom. It's freedom, as President Bush pointed out, 
that we're
 defending.

 Glenn H. Reynolds is Professor of Law at the University of Tennessee, 
and writes for

[CTRL] You Can't Go Wrong



Free Congress Foundation's
Notable News Now
September 13, 2001



The Free Congress Commentary
In Today's Society: You Can't Go Wrong
By Thomas L. Jipping

Two big stories in the news before the terrorism perpetrated against America
on Tuesday overshadowed all else ought to make anyone with a brain scratch
the head containing it and wonder just where this society is headed.
Terrorism is one significant threat that America faces, but it is not the
only one.

The liberal, progressive crowd has for decades been pushing an agenda that
breaks up marriages or argues that institution is not needed at all;
promotes sex by eliminating its consequences; treats children like adults
and adults, especially parents, like children; and eliminates the
traditional factors that helped stabilize and civilize society.  Hard work
is out, excuses for failure are in.  Entertainment is now saturated with
filth, sex, profanity, and disrespect.  Onward and upward to the brave new
world.

And now two of the top stories in the news reveal the consequences of this
exciting and liberating agenda.  Andrea Yates, who drowned her five children
in June, is on trial for capital murder.  According to the Houston
Chronicle, Yates herself said that her seven-year-old son Noah walked into
the bathroom to see her killing his six-month-old sister Mary.  He tried to
escape, and Yates grabbed him, dragged him back into the bathroom, and then
drowned him too.

She claims postpartum depression made her insane.  Talk about blaming the
victim.  Medical records quote Yates saying she has a supportive husband and
family.  They show her husband, Russell Yates, was very involved in her
medical care.  This is a big fat slap in the face to those women out there
who don't have supportive families, don't have involved husbands, don't have
a comfortable middle class lifestyle, and who even might have more children
than Andrea Yates, but who don't deal with life's problems by killing their
children.

This is indeed becoming a culture of death.  Pregnant women see the presence
of their preborn children as causing them one problem or another and so they
kill them to eliminate the problem.  Andrea Yates saw her children as
causing her a problem and so she killed them.  Seems we're on a slippery
slope after all.

The other story is that the sexual exploitation, especially commercial
exploitation through prostitution and pornography, of children is exploding.
A new study reveals the hundreds of thousands of children sexually
exploited.  Many of the johns soliciting kids for sex are married men with
kids of their own.

It also showed, however, that children also are in the sex trade right out
of their homes, trading sex for consumer goods, more expensive clothes, that
sort of thing.  Hey, they're just doing what the rappers and so-called
entertainers tell them to do.

As we have abandoned the distinction between right and wrong, personal
responsibility, and any sort of obligation to others, we are creating a
society where it's all about me.  What I want to do, how I want to do it,
when I want to do it, why I want to do it, with whom I want to do it.  I'll
either claim a right to do it or claim I'm not responsible for it.  But I
just want to do what I want to do.  And children are the victims - on the
streets, in the abortion clinic, and under the water in the bathtub.

Thomas L. Jipping is vice president for legal policy at the Free Congress
Foundation.



The Free Congress Guest Commentary
It's Times Like This We Must Remember
History and Learn From It
By Daniel J. Jennings

As we watch the horror unfolding in New York and Washington D.C. on our TV
screens it's a good time to take a look at history and learn from it. I say
this because history has some very important lessons to teach us about
situations like this.

The first lesson is don't overreact by taking military actions that might
have horrendous consequences in the near future. This may be the most
important lesson of all as the Austro-Hungarian Empire learned all too well
during World War I. In 1914, the Austro-Hungarian Empire, which ruled much
of Central Europe, was outraged at a terrorist attack. A Serbian nationalist
fanatic shot and killed the beloved heir to the Austrian Throne, the
Archduke Franz Ferdinand and his wife, in the streets of Sarajevo. Evidence
linking the attack to the secret service of the small neighboring kingdom of
Serbia soon surfaced.

Austria retaliated to this outrage by invading Serbia. This invasion
triggered World War I, because Serbia's ally Russia, rushed to that nation's
defense. Austria called in its ally, Germany, and Russia her ally, France.
To get at France, Germany invaded Belgium and drew the British Empire into
the conflict. One of the worst blood baths in human history had begun and as
a consequence of that war, the Austro-Hungarian Empire collapsed completely.
Had Austria shown some restraint and not sought vengeance for the murder of
the Archduke, World War I

[CTRL] 911 (emergency) bullshit

Title: 911 (emergency) bullshit



everytime I read an article that states this was done because of the date 911 I have to stop taking the post seriously.

Sep 11 was the day of the announcement of the British mandate, and the date of the signing of the camp David accords. That makes it a significant date in west Asian (middle east) history.

beside 911 is only an emergency number in the US , not to mention that every other place in the world writes Sep.11 as 11/9

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[CTRL] Staten Island sealed off

2001-09-13 Thread RevCOAL


-Caveat Lector-

A news conference is going on right now regarding a search for 2
individuals in a red car on Staten Island that for some reason the
authorities started chasing...

Apparantly they lost track of the car somewhere on Staten Island, so now
they closed the bridges to and from the island and have put schools on
the island in lock down mode...

If they don't find this car, look for the authorities to start calling
for all cars to be required to have radio ID transponders installed as
standard equipment


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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: PHARISEE WATCH: Day911, Why Did They?


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funny thing

the banks in the WTC also fund the Arabs - indeed there were Arabic
financial institutions there as well.

I asked once before - can some one name one Arab country (other than pre
gulf war Iraq) that is either secular in govt., or a democracy?

are we as Americans supposed to be in the business of supporting theocratic
despotic monarchies?
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 DAY911
 THE WORLD TRADE CENTER AND PENTAGON DEVASTATION

 The people who died and were injured on 9/11/2001 (Day911) were of every race
 and religion, including Jews and Arabs.  Who could be without sympathy for the
 victims and their families?  We are already learning of acts of heroism,
 courage and sacrifice similar to those that took place on the Titanic.  We
 salute the many brave firemen and other rescue workers who must have known how
 great the risk was when they entered the damaged structures, putting their
 duty ahead of their lives.

 Our purpose at We Hold These Truths is to place the guilt squarely on the
 guilty.  Only if we do that can we prevent a recurrence in some other place
 and some other way.  The only alternative to our proposal is a police state in
 which all must surrender freedom in exchange for protection from an ever
 larger government.  We will need an armed guard on every plane and a metal
 detector at every door, and still we will not be safe.

 If we leave the placing of blame to our Pharisee-controlled media, it will not
 be the last time.  If we leave it to our political leaders, most of whom fear
 the Israeli power structure far more than they fear the voters, we will never
 know the truth.  Our political leaders and media will blame the incident on
 the fanaticism of others to cover up their own fanaticism.

 We expect the U.S. political machine to respond immediately with demands for
 retaliation against Arab nations who are Israel's enemies, for it alone has
 made Israel's enemies our enemies.  Now, for the first time, we American
 civilians are paying the price for our government's policies and actions.
 Because other nations consider our government to be the world's bully, America
 faces the worst economic crisis in 70 years.

 The cause of the Day911 destruction is the bullying, war-making tactics of
 those who control our own government toward multiple small and frail
 independent Arab states, including Palestine and Iraq.  Some, but not all,
 Palestinians hate America's government because they have every reason to do
 so--our leaders openly support Israel's military occupation of Palestine.
 Palestinian civilians have died every week of the year for 52 years!  In the
 last year, Palestinians have seen about 500 of their civilians killed by
 Israelis using American weapons, including Abrams tanks, Apache helicopters
 and US sniper rifles.

 The American taxpayers have provided almost $100 billion in documented direct
 foreign aid to Israel--about $4,000 for every Jewish man, woman and child in
 the Israel.  In contrast, American foreign aid to Egypt, the second biggest
 recipient, is about $50.00 per Egyptian annually--the rest of the world gets
 much less--and Palestinian aid is Zero.  Palestinians know it is American
 money that is killing them.

 Some, but not all, Iraqis hate America because eleven years after the Gulf War
 was supposed to have ended, we continue to starve and bomb their children.
 The US bombed Iraq the day before the fateful Day911, inflicting more
 casualties.  Some other Islamic states hate us because they think they will be
 next on our hit list.  Our leaders have helped to destroy one Muslim country
 after another, as we have detailed in past reports and will continue to do.

 Except for the American people, the entire world knows about America's secret
 war on Israel's enemies.  While We Hold These Truths does not often agree with
 the United Nations, we do agree with its broadly-supported efforts to declare
 that Zionism is Racism.  Even delegates from non-Muslim countries voted for
 that UN resolution, and many now appear to also hate our government, because
 nobody can stomach a bully.

 Why were a dozen or more young men willing to dash themselves to death against
 our concrete and steel banking centers on Day911?  Why did others willingly
 blow themselves to bits to punch a hole in the Warship USS Cole?

 The international

Re: [CTRL] SABA! Shut the F*CK UP!


-Caveat Lector-

By their fruits you shall know them - this is a conspiracy list and he
biggest consipiracy in the world right now is promoted by the ADL and
Bnai Brith - a Masonic Order.

Now let me say this - I still remember the USS Liberty and Columbine -
oh the neo nazis did it, this long overworked word.

Those Tall Towers represented the economy of this nation and who brought
them down?   Kamakaze pilots?   And what was the purpose - well that is
for others to find out.

Its all economics, Ashley - or well as they say, I may not know who you
are but I know what you are.

Those Tall Towers represented to this country, what - well what does
Israel represent to us anyway - pieces of rock of no value to anyone
other than those who follow religion.

And that is the name of the game - it big bucks...what won't the
Zionists do, to get at that oil - easy to program killers all you have
to do is look at Littleton - a holocaust so quickly shoved under a rug.

Kamakaze's ara created using drugs..we are fighting a hidden enemy -
and I say Remember the USS Liberty.oh but that was to be forgotten.

Diligent Seekers of the Truth ???  Want the USA to do the dirty work for
the Zionists?   Let them do their own god damed dirty work - as Joe
Lieberman said - hey I am okay.   We are all okayand I thought you
piece of Zionist filth - there are now maybe 20,000 people dead - maybe
some even Joshua's trailer trash?

Casper Weinberger with his Woe to them..at least he tried to keep
Pollard in prison.

And remember this the KGB has maps of all underground tunnels in
Washington and no doubt around the world.little red arrows to arabic
books?   like Buford, little red arrows to neo nazi oboks?

I have been in that pentagon - where my family served with honor yet I
see our military being torn apart.   As for the target Bush - well
again, paving the way to Zion - after all isn't this what masonry is all
about like a MNASON - diligient seeker of truth.

Screw you and your filthy talk - no doubt you have been reading too much
in to freedom as portrayed by Zionists Larry Flynt who supports ADL with
Marc Rich who I might add is still afraid to step foot in this country.

Saba

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Re: [CTRL] WTC and a Bad Choice of Album Cover

2001-09-13 Thread magnetic field

-Caveat Lector-

That is a perfect example of what Jung called synchronicity.
magnetic field
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 -Caveat Lector-

 http://home.pacbell.net/stevew77/coup_wtc.jpg

 Too close to be a coincidence, don't you think?!!   It appears to have
been a
 planned release, coordinated with the WTC attack.

 Steve

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   As a born and raised New Yorker, and American, I am shocked,
   appalled
   and sorrowful to the events of this day. Instead of shrinking my
   space
   however, it strengthens my resolve to continue seeking the truth in
   life
   and this Universe.

   (as an aside... I was reading though my latest issue of WIRED
   magazine,
   October 2001 issue, and on page 170, on the music review page there
   was
   the attached album cover of a group called the COUP. A very bad
   timing
   and choice for an album cover.)

   Let's keep up our good work here.

   Efrain Palermo

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: I wish you all could have savored this!


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the fact that there are dangerous assholes in the israeli army, does not
mean that are not dangerous assholes on the other side.
-- --- -
Well, I've wrestled with reality for 35 years, doctor, and I'm happy to
state I finally won out over it



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 Dear Bully Busters,

 Please go to www.fox6news.com (San Diego) and thank them
 for allowing Dr. Hamod ***FOUR HOURS*** of interview time
 on their program. It was incredibly refreshing. Dr. Hamod
 is the former Director of the US Islamic Center in
 Washington DC and a Lebanese American Muslim.

 In yesterday?s coverage, Dr. Hamod went head to head with
 David Horowitz and I thought for sure that he would never
 be invited back. Instead, Horowitz was nowhere to be seen
 today and Dr. Hamod was able to speak freely and openly. He
 discussed the USS Cole, the Zionist fanaticism in Israel,
 he explained the bias in our media?it was like having a
 Truth Seeking Missile read aloud on local television. I sat
 here with my mouth open, waiting for the crew to throw him
 off the stage, but they were courteous, interested and open
 minded.

 Dr. Hamod is a brilliant spokesman for both the Arab
 American community and all Americans who want to get to the
 bottom of this tragedy. I have never seen such openness in
 our press. They even showed videos of Israeli soldiers
 grinning as they shoot at Palestinian rock throwers, and
 allowed Dr. Hamod to provide commentary.

 Please write to thank them!

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Re: [CTRL] Terror At Home- The Price Of Hegemony

2001-09-13 Thread Harvey Wilmore

Title: RE: [CTRL] Terror At Home- The Price Of Hegemony





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Dear God, Bill! Quit eating Colleen out for one second and listen to your
own pathetitc rantings! Do you honestly blame Israel for this horror? You
are such a dumb ASS! You have been cheering for these arab extremists for so
long you can't even stand to see the truth! When did you become such a
brainwashed idiot-savant? I urge you to re-enter normal society and leave
all of your misguided hatred behind you. Yeah, that would be such a great
idea to let Israel sink and lose our only port in the storm of arab hatred.
Their hatred goes back a little further than our support for Israel. Remeber
the Gulf War? Well, they haven't! Get your priorities staight!



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Besides inciting acts of terrorism on our soil?

It is HIGH TIME to let Israel sink or swim on their own...take the training
wheels off and let's see how long it takes for them to fall into a BUSH.

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 I think I speak for many here when I say, Put a cork in it, you stupid
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 one wants to hear your ADL shit and anti-Jewish drivel. You don't even
 fucking GET IT! Your beloved Islamic extremists are responsible for this
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Re: [CTRL] CLINTON TREASON FACILITATED WTC HORROR


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Spin from a spin factory.

World Net Daily was started with Richard Scaife Mellon money. I have been to
their compund and talked with Mr. Farar himself. They are using meme work and
other techniques. They are not organic nor will they tell the truth. WND is
very agendic orientated.

Look at the Waco and Bay of Pigs handles on Kennedy and Clinton. Both of
these men took the buck stop. George Weenie Bush  and  minions whines.

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[CTRL] Fwd: Writers protest Israel's attempts at censorship


This sounds strangely familiar?   Masonic Bnai Brith and long arm of
ADL?

Why am I reminded of Waco when I read about children being murdered and
tanks sent in against same?   That Star of David should be Red - the
flag baby blue and white belongs to the UN - Red Star burns these three
months of terror - September, October and November and the goal is to
destroy capitalism and place what remains in the safe hands, of the
Zionists.

First they got the press, then they got the 5 major publishing houses,
then they went after the guns,  and then they bring the pages of the
bible to life right before your eyes, as though God was punishing
America?

What are we doing supporting the Religious State of Israel who
terrorizes chlidren.

Interesting item - was sign of times but I think as it is way to many
Americans have died in the name of homosexuals, jews, and gypsies.
What was that - arabs not worth one fingernail of a jew?   This is how I
feel - Zionists have placed American Way of Life in grave danger too
long.   Maybe they have a little more on the Congress than we know?

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some of his ideas and opinions about Jews and the Nazi Holocaust
(which, so far as I know, Downard didn't share.)  Adam Parfrey
included a fabulous essay by Hoffman in Apocalypse Culture II on the
Unabomber (my essay Uncle Ronnie's Sex Slaves appears in it as
well) but included his own editor's note on this issue.  Needless to
say, whatever qualms I have on his views, the perceptiveness of his
column below shines through, so I must pass this on.  And perhaps it
says something of the current sickness which passes for conventional
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An Elevator Ride Down the Twin Towers of Inferno

by Michael A. Hoffman II

The six pointed star (Jewry's capital after Jerusalem, New York
City), and the five-pointed star (Masonry's military capital,
Arlington's five sided Pentagon), were shown to be symbolically and
literally weak on Sept. 11, utilizing an image straight from the
Tarot cards. Neither the government of the Third Reich, nor of the
Emperor Hirohito, ever managed to inflict so punishing a blow on the
American mainland.

Nonetheless, the rush to judgement indicting Afghanistan (but not,
note bene, nuclear-tipped Pakistan, the Taliban's well known ally),
presupposes that the US government was not aware of the terrorists'
plans (even though the Feds penetrated their cell-phone
communications immediately afterward). It also presupposes that the
US government was not directing the operation, as it directed the
1993 World Trade Center bombing (the FBI furnished the fuse).

Yesterday, the media/government planted in our minds the notion
that Camp David was a target. Today, Sept. 12, that is gone with
the wind and press secretary Ari Fleischer says it was Air Force One
and the White House that were the intended targets (in other words, a
Boeing 767 is going to outmaneuver Falcon F-16 fighters and crash mid-
air into Air Force One).

Today, Dan Rather queried the Israeli ambassador, Some will say that
the attack was a payback for 50 years of American support for
Israel. The Ambassador replied, This has nothing to do with the
Middle East.

While parasitic gas stations and oil companies raised fuel prices as
high as $4 a gallon, the TV media had no critical comment. The We're
all in this together tone was maintained at all costs. All five
network anchors spoke in reverent, hushed tones when some top
bureaucrat made a statement to the public. That was the head of the
FBI whispered an awe-struck Peter Jennings in a voice usually
reserved for a saint or a miracle worker.

Since the American people are becoming clones of the Israelis, they
are becoming as delusional as the Israelis. They are rallying around
the US government, but the US government is the reason New York and
Washington were attacked--due to the Federal government's naked,
partisan bias toward Zionism, and financial support for the 1982
carpet bombing of Beirut, the routine dispossession, assassination
and child-murder of Palestinians, and the carpet bombing of Baghdad.

The events of Sept. 11 are not going to lead to any World War
Three. Why is this World War reflex-mantra always on the lips of
right-wingers? A world war implies an amalgamation of axis powers
united to destroy America. Osama Bin Laden is a goatherd in the
mountains of one of the five or six poorest and most destitute
nations on earth. Even nuclear-armed Pakistan, with its 1951 vintage
plutonium-technology, wouldn't stand a chance against Uncle Sam. Only
the Chinese and Russians could credibly challenge the US in a world
war, and they are officially described as our allies. So with whom
is this Third World War to be fought? Saudi goatherds?

The media do have one thing right: Sept. 11 does change America
forever. Goodbye freedom and innocence. Our people are emulating the
Israelis, a land scourged by blood and fire, thanks to the
intransigent racism of the Talmudic imperialists, be they Likud or
Labour. Therefore we are headed for a good dose of the Zionist clap--
carte

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: An Elevator Ride Down the Twin Towers of Inferno

2001-09-13 Thread Kathy Strucke


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Dear Kris,
Try that one again, nothing came thru.
Thanks.
Love, Kathy

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[CTRL] A 3rd report of being told to stay in the WTC

2001-09-13 Thread RevCOAL


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Just now on WCBS-TV they had someone by the name of Dan Abrahamson (not
sure if he is a city official, as he said he went to city hall after
evacuating the WTC), and the reporters asked him about reports that
people who were evacuating the WTC were told to stay put.

Abrahamson confirmed it, he said he didn't know who it was who said it,
according to him it was an 'announcement', so it almost sounded like it
was announced over loudspeakers in the building.  This was Tower Two,
which hadn't been hit yet; Abrahamson said he and his boss made it down
to the 44th floor, which is where the elevators stopped so that people
could change elevators to go to other floors (in other words, for anyone
not familiar with really large skyscrapers, elevators rarely run the full
length of the building; rather one gets elevators in the lobby which only
go up to a certain level; one then has to exit and enter another set of
elevators to go further)...

It wasn't clear whether Abrahamson and his boss were walking down the
stairwell or taking the elevator, but I suspect the latter because the
building hadn't been hit yet, and they were on the 61st floor.  He said
that immediately after seeing Tower One hit, that they decided to leave
to go outside and 'see what was going on'.  As they were in the process
of leaving, the announcement was made that everyone should stay in their
offices or return to their offices if they'd already left.  The
announcement proclaimed that the disaster next door was just 'an
accident', and there was no reason to leave Tower Two.

Abrahamson stated that he decided to ignore the advice/command and he
continued to leave (not sure if he walked down at that point, or got an
elevator and was lucky enough to have gotten to the ground floor before
the 2nd plane hit)...meanwhile his boss decided to go back up to their
offices, and pushed the button to get an 'up' elevator... according to
Abrahamson, his boss was still waiting for an elevator when the 2nd plane
hit their building, and they felt the whole building shake, and the boss
then heard all the elevators (which presumably had people in them)
crashing to the lower level, as their cables had been severed.

Apparently this boss then decided it would be better to get out of the
building, so he went down the stairwell...


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How will the CIA explain.
How Does the CIA Explain the CIA's contract operatives, Osama bin Laden,
Sadam Hussein, Manuel Noriega, and Ayatullah Khomeini.
How will the CIA explain that Osama bin Laden was and is a CIA creation
from the Afghan conflict of the 1980s.  How does the CIA explain that
Sadam Hussein is a CIA product of the 1970's CIA orchestrated Iraqi coup,
and Sadam Hussein has always been a personal business partner of George
Bush Senior in their clandestine Iraqi Kuwaiti Oil Monopoly even during
the staged CIA Gulf War that was useful to them for their being able to
rampantly experiment with exotic diseases and mind control technology on
American, Allied, and Iraqi Troops, and civilians.  How does the CIA
explain that Ayatullah Khomeini was also a CIA/OSS/MOSSAD/KGB, trained
and affiliated agent and by product of the planned over throw of Iran by
the Global Elites.   So we the American People Ask, who is behind the
CIA, and how much longer are we the American People going to put up with
this agency (Conspirators  Internationally Associated) of
internationalist hit men and criminals who only represent the
International Banking Elites while they rob, murder, and heinously
experiment on the American Tax Payers who are forced to pay for the CIA's
extensive crimes, mass murders, mass mind control activities, and child
pedophile programs that involve many years of kidnappings of tens of
thousands of American children and unsuspecting citizens for perverted
billionaire elites, many who actively practice the Satanic Ritualistic
Sacrifice of these CIA (Finders) abducted victims?How much longer
until the American People finally wake up to these Elitist (Tax Payer
Financed) Gangsters? In the mean time, George Bush Senior and sons
can blatantly manipulate the American Political System while George Bush
Senior and Sons are fully liable for multiple billion dollar bank fraud
rippoffs, with the Help of the Mafia, the CIA, and the Elitists Global
Banking Hierarchy.How Much Longer.And, don't forget the thousands
of CIA implemented crimes, including the CIA's rampant Drug Running
through Panama under the guidance of the CIA's planted Manuel Noriega,
who was removed by the CIA for taking too big of a cut of the CIA's drug
transfers that were (and still are) transferring  through Panama and then
the CIA used this ploy to remove Manuel Noriega under the instructions of
CIA/Mafia/Gangster, Global Money Launderer, Satanist, Pedophile, Banking
Thief, and International Oil/Drug/Weapons Trillionaire George Bush
Senior, who also instructed for the American Military to proceed to
massacre more then fifty thousand Panamanians for international business
interests who had the U.S. Military clear out and genocidally removed
large districts of Panama's Cities for future business development.   
What about the CIA's fully orchestrated Vietnam Undeclared War that was a
CIA staged and architected Police Action and Diversion in order that the
CIA could utilize American young men and women to act as bullet stoppers
so that the CIA could take over all South East Asian Narcotics operations
for the Global Elites so that the Elites could have complete control over
all global drug trade.   And, don't forget that the Elites created
Communism and they still control all Communism World Wide.Divide the
World Down the Middle, and then create planned Political Conflicts
between both sides in order so that the Elites Global Banking system can
make trillions in war loans and debts from all of the enslaved and
participating countries, and economies. Perpetuated Profit as long as
the Slave Masses don't figure it out, don't do anything about it, and
they are forced to have to go along with it, generation after enslaved,
blind, and mass murdered generation.   

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 I would love to be a fly on the wall during one of those
conversations. Do you think they wear special costumes when they
discuss family business. I think Dubya would look fetching in that
sorcerer's apprentice costume that Mickey Mouse wore in fantasia.

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 Prediction:  The US will attack and eventually occupy Afganistan.
The CIA will
 take over the opium fields just as they did in Laos and Cambodia,
importing
 even more drugs into the US and becoming even more powerful and
 independent of Congressional oversight.

 This will also result in a great increase in oil prices which will
benefit Bush
 and his friends in the oil business. Even the elder Bush has been
staying at
 the White House lately to help out his son with the family's
business interests.

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[CTRL] List Apology

2001-09-13 Thread Edward Britton


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All:

Once again, in the height of emotion/rage over recent events in our nation,
I've thoroughly and completely made an ass out of myself. And while I
apologize to the group for the rash and hateful comments I made yesterday,
I, being an imperfect human being, cannot guarantee that I will not make
similar comments in the future.

Nevertheless, June and others were quite correct: my comments and attitudes
were not in agreement with my stated faith and for that I am deeply sorry,
I am sorry to have been such a poor ambassador of a belief system
predicated on love and forgiveness. I can only hope that each of you whom I
might have offended will exercise the attributes which I so poorly
demonstrated yesterday. Those more disposed to understanding the mind's
reaction to an horrendous trauma will certainly understand my angry
reaction, but I must nonetheless repent of my actions if I have any hope of
receiving forgiveness from my Maker and Redeemer.

Please forgive me, and pray to whatever God you hold dear for our country
and our world. And to those of the Islamic faith, words cannot express my
grief over the transgression I have committed against you.

Edward   +

Logic:

(1) The study or practice of the principles of reasoning, especially of the
structure of propositions as distinguished from their content and of method
and validity in deductive reasoning.

(2) A means of terrifying liberals.

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[CTRL] Talmud, Torah, and Tarot Cards


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Looks like author of this piece sees into the secret symbolism of the
Tarot Cards from the Falling Towers to the Fool to the Death by Hanging
of the Pope - Upside down of course, representing any Catholic who would
dare to get involved in politics.

So someone has the guts to speak out and so far the ADL has not been
able to censor this man.

Maybe he will figure out he symbolism of the Flying Serpent  -  called
the Fiery Flying Serpent?   Shinto stuff?

For you see the conspirators are well versed in occidental ways - but in
ways of Hindu, Moslem, Catholic, Protestant, Astrologers,
Astronomers.they are not as Huffman states bedoiun camel drivers or
sheep herdersthese are hard core Ashkenazi Zionists coming in for
kill with their oh so sophisticated way - and my gosh Huffman noted too,
the little red arrows leading to arabic books - like little Buford left
nazi literature with little red arrows leading and so on.

The Tower of the Tarot can only be compared to the Two Towers which were
just two High Rises but to the Red Star of Communism - it represented
the oh so hated American capititlaist why the corrupt and vicious Marc
Rich - this is the man who during the Iranian crisis contrary to law
bought Iranian oil for $6,00 a barrel and then sold it for $29 to $45
dollars a barrel?

See what it costs for a gallon of gasoline the day after the atrocity -
now we have 20,000 innocent people buried in volcanic snow - while Joe
Lieberman (what a guy) tells us its Okay, we are alright.never
fear, the bastard was okay.

So Remember the USS Liberty and think - things are just not what they
seem to be.
Get the old masonic poem if you can find it - two faced Janus, the face
that is masked..and three gates to go through, September, October,
and November - but then JFK didn't quite make it.

Same secret society, same bible calendar code and same bunch of
assassins - for as it is or was - its the economy, its the economy - and
this is where they have hurt US - right in the economy but long range
plan?   Zionism will come to rescue and then we will know what Cooper
meant when he said Behold the Pale Horse,  for it was Death to American
Zionist go home.   Before the innocent Americans take on the appearance
of the Ugly and Sinister Face of Zionism...

Arabs fighting back or as charged where the pilots trained by Mossad
which seems little fetched, but considthe Mossad and Israeli pilots
attack on tss Liberty?   And the napalming of the bodies of ourmen lying
on deck?

Begininning to see through the sinister web of deceit   yet?

Saba


by Michael A. Hoffman II

The six pointed star (Jewry's capital after Jerusalem, New York City),
and the five-pointed star (Masonry's military capital, Arlington's five
sided Pentagon), were shown to be symbolically and literally weak on
Sept. 11, utilizing an image straight from the Tarot cards.

Neither the government of the Third Reich, nor of the Emperor Hirohito,
ever managed to inflict so punishing a blow on the American mainland.

Nonetheless, the rush to judgement indicting Afghanistan (but not, note
bene, nuclear-tipped Pakistan, the Taliban's well known ally),
presupposes that the US government was not aware of the terrorists'
plans (even though the Feds penetrated their cell-phone communications
immediately afterward).

It also presupposes that the US government was not directing the
operation, as it directed the 1993 World Trade Center bombing (the FBI
furnished the fuse).

Yesterday, the media/government planted in our minds the notion that
Camp David was a target. Today, Sept. 12, that is gone with the wind
and press secretary Ari Fleischer says it was Air Force One and the
White House that were the intended targets (in other words, a Boeing 767
is going to outmaneuver Falcon F-16 fighters and crash mid- air into Air
Force One).

Today, Dan Rather queried the Israeli ambassador, Some will say that
the attack was a payback for 50 years of American support for Israel.
The Ambassador replied, This has nothing to do with the Middle East.

While parasitic gas stations and oil companies raised fuel prices as
high as $4 a gallon, the TV media had no critical comment. The We're
all in this together tone was maintained at all costs. All five network
anchors spoke in reverent, hushed tones when some top bureaucrat made a
statement to the public. That was the head of the FBI whispered an
awe-struck Peter Jennings in a voice usually reserved for a saint or a
miracle worker.

Since the American people are becoming clones of the Israelis, they are
becoming as delusional as the Israelis. They are rallying around the US
government, but the US government is the reason New York and Washington
were attacked--due to the Federal government's naked, partisan bias
toward Zionism, and financial support for the 1982 carpet bombing of
Beirut, the routine dispossession, assassination and child-murder of
Palestinians, and the carpet bombing of Baghdad.

The events of Sept.

[CTRL] Hip-Hop Group Yanks Album Cover Depicting WTC Blast (fwd)

2001-09-13 Thread RevCOAL


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See the album cover

Small, low res:
http://www.girlieaction.com/coup/coup-cover-72.jpg

Big, high res:
http://www.girlieaction.com/coup/coup-cover-300.jpg


Wednesday September 12 4:04 PM ET

Hip-Hop Group Yanks Album Cover Depicting WTC Blast
By Sue Zeidler

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Striking a macabre note, a new album cover by
hip-hop band The Coup -- whose music has a strong anti-capitalist bent --
had until recently depicted the World Trade Center exploding, the band's
label said on Wednesday.

``We changed the artwork as soon as we saw what had happened,'' said
Daria Kelly, director of sales for 75 Ark, the band's label.

Kelly said the picture, which eerily shows group member ''Boots'' Riley
holding a detonator in front of the exploding towers, was yanked from the
San Francisco-based company's Web site at http://www.75ark.com/
by 9:30 a.m. PDT on Tuesday, hours after two hijacked airliners actually
smashed into the World Trade Center's twin towers and brought them down,
possibly causing thousands of deaths.

Kelly said the artwork was done about two months ago for the band's
upcoming album, ``Party Music,'' which features a single called
``5 Million Ways to Kill a CEO'' and is due to hit stores on November 6.

``We were going to print them this week. Thank goodness we hadn't yet
printed them,'' she said, adding that the new album cover would probably
just bear the band's logo.

While the label quickly moved to delete the image -- which shows
explosions in the towers at about the same level as the actual blasts --
the picture has begun to circulate on the Internet and generate a lot of
reaction.

It was featured Wednesday on lifestyle-culture Web site at
http://www.ammocity.com/  accompanied by the following message: ''The
album cover for hip-hop group 'The Coup' manages to even outweird the
quotes from Nostradamus doing the email rounds today.''

Kelly said she had not received any e-mails about the cover, noting it
hadn't been circulated by the label very much.

``We just started press about a month ago,'' she said describing the
Oakland, Calif.-band's music as focusing on the ''destruction of
corporate America.''

The band, considered among the more overtly political rap bands, was
formed in the early 1990s. Lead rapper/producer Boots Riley, whose real
name is Raymond Riley, was involved in political activism before becoming
a musician, according to music industry sources.

Released in 1993, the Coup's debut album ``Kill My Landlord'' was a
highly charged blend of leftist resistance and 70s funk, which received
wide critical praise.

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But dont forget that the world bank in the 50's and 60's was promoting the
socialisation of resources in the first place

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IMF'S FOUR STEPS TO DAMNATION
London Observer
April 29, 2001

How crises, failures, and suffering finally drove a Presidential adviser to
the wrong side of the barricades
By Gregory Palast

It was like a scene out of Le Carré: the brilliant agent comes in from the
cold and, in hours of debriefing, empties his memory of horrors committed in
the name of an ideology gone rotten.

But this was a far bigger catch than some used-up Cold War spy. The former
apparatchik was Joseph Stiglitz, ex-chief economist of the World Bank. The
new world economic order was his theory come to life.

He was in Washington for the big confab of the World Bank and International
Monetary Fund. But instead of chairing meetings of ministers and central
bankers, he was outside the police cordons. The World Bank fired Stiglitz
two years ago. He was not allowed a quiet retirement: he was excommunicated
purely for expressing mild dissent from globalisation World Bank-style.

Here in Washington we conducted exclusive interviews with Stiglitz, for The
Observer and Newsnight, about the inside workings of the IMF, the World
Bank, and the bank's 51% owner, the US Treasury.

And here, from sources unnamable (not Stiglitz), we obtained a cache of
documents marked, 'confidential' and 'restricted'.

Stiglitz helped translate one, a 'country assistance strategy'. There's an
assistance strategy for every poorer nation, designed, says the World Bank,
after careful in-country investigation.

But according to insider Stiglitz, the Bank's 'investigation' involves
little more than close inspection of five-star hotels. It concludes with a
meeting with a begging finance minister, who is handed a 'restructuring
agreement' pre-drafted for 'voluntary' signature.

Each nation's economy is analysed, says Stiglitz, then the Bank hands every
minister the same four-step programme.

Step One is privatisation. Stiglitz said that rather than objecting to the
sell-offs of state industries, some politicians - using the World Bank's
demands to silence local critics - happily flogged their electricity and
water companies. 'You could see their eyes widen' at the possibility of
commissions for shaving a few billion off the sale price.

And the US government knew it, charges Stiglitz, at least in the case of the
biggest privatisation of all, the 1995 Russian sell-off. 'The US Treasury
view was: This was great, as we wanted Yeltsin re-elected. We DON'T CARE if
it's a corrupt election. '

Stiglitz cannot simply be dismissed as a conspiracy nutter. The man was
inside the game - a member of Bill Clinton's cabinet, chairman of the
President's council of economic advisers.

Most sick-making for Stiglitz is that the US-backed oligarchs stripped
Russia's industrial assets, with the effect that national output was cut
nearly in half.

After privatisation, Step Two is capital market liberalisation. In theory
this allows investment capital to flow in and out. Unfortunately, as in
Indonesia and Brazil, the money often simply flows out.

Stiglitz calls this the 'hot money' cycle. Cash comes in for speculation in
real estate and currency, then flees at the first whiff of trouble. A
nation's reserves can drain in days.

And when that happens, to seduce speculators into returning a nation's own
capital funds, the IMF demands these nations raise interest rates to 30%,
50% and 80%.

'The result was predictable,' said Stiglitz. Higher interest rates demolish
property values, savage industrial production and drain national treasuries.

At this point, according to Stiglitz, the IMF drags the gasping nation to
Step Three: market-based pricing - a fancy term for raising prices on food,
water and cooking gas. This leads, predictably, to Step-Three-and-a-Half:
what Stiglitz calls 'the IMF riot'.

The IMF riot is painfully predictable. When a nation is, 'down and out, [the
IMF] squeezes the last drop of blood out of them. They turn up the heat
until, finally, the whole cauldron blows up,' -- as when the IMF eliminated
food and fuel subsidies for the poor in Indonesia in 1998. Indonesia
exploded into riots.

There are other examples -- the Bolivian riots over water prices last year
and, this February, the riots in Ecuador over the rise in cooking gas prices
imposed by the World Bank. You'd almost believe the riot was expected.

And it is. What Stiglitz did not know is that Newsnight obtained several
documents from inside the World Bank. In one, last year's Interim Country
Assistance Strategy for Ecuador, the Bank several times suggests -- with
cold accuracy -- that the plans could be expected to spark 'social unrest'.

That's not surprising. The secret report notes that the plan to make the US
dollar Ecuador's currency has pushed 51% of the population below the poverty
line.

The IMF riots (and by riots I mean

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Dear Kris,
Try that one again, nothing came thru.
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Love, Kathy

 It showed up at my box. You rec'd  a blank page?

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But dont forget that the world bank in the 50's and 60's was promoting the
socialisation of resources in the first place

---


IMF'S FOUR STEPS TO DAMNATION
London Observer
April 29, 2001

How crises, failures, and suffering finally drove a Presidential adviser to
the wrong side of the barricades
By Gregory Palast

It was like a scene out of Le Carré: the brilliant agent comes in from the
cold and, in hours of debriefing, empties his memory of horrors committed in
the name of an ideology gone rotten.

But this was a far bigger catch than some used-up Cold War spy. The former
apparatchik was Joseph Stiglitz, ex-chief economist of the World Bank. The
new world economic order was his theory come to life.

He was in Washington for the big confab of the World Bank and International
Monetary Fund. But instead of chairing meetings of ministers and central
bankers, he was outside the police cordons. The World Bank fired Stiglitz
two years ago. He was not allowed a quiet retirement: he was excommunicated
purely for expressing mild dissent from globalisation World Bank-style.

Here in Washington we conducted exclusive interviews with Stiglitz, for The
Observer and Newsnight, about the inside workings of the IMF, the World
Bank, and the bank's 51% owner, the US Treasury.

And here, from sources unnamable (not Stiglitz), we obtained a cache of
documents marked, 'confidential' and 'restricted'.

Stiglitz helped translate one, a 'country assistance strategy'. There's an
assistance strategy for every poorer nation, designed, says the World Bank,
after careful in-country investigation.

But according to insider Stiglitz, the Bank's 'investigation' involves
little more than close inspection of five-star hotels. It concludes with a
meeting with a begging finance minister, who is handed a 'restructuring
agreement' pre-drafted for 'voluntary' signature.

Each nation's economy is analysed, says Stiglitz, then the Bank hands every
minister the same four-step programme.

Step One is privatisation. Stiglitz said that rather than objecting to the
sell-offs of state industries, some politicians - using the World Bank's
demands to silence local critics - happily flogged their electricity and
water companies. 'You could see their eyes widen' at the possibility of
commissions for shaving a few billion off the sale price.

And the US government knew it, charges Stiglitz, at least in the case of the
biggest privatisation of all, the 1995 Russian sell-off. 'The US Treasury
view was: This was great, as we wanted Yeltsin re-elected. We DON'T CARE if
it's a corrupt election. '

Stiglitz cannot simply be dismissed as a conspiracy nutter. The man was
inside the game - a member of Bill Clinton's cabinet, chairman of the
President's council of economic advisers.

Most sick-making for Stiglitz is that the US-backed oligarchs stripped
Russia's industrial assets, with the effect that national output was cut
nearly in half.

After privatisation, Step Two is capital market liberalisation. In theory
this allows investment capital to flow in and out. Unfortunately, as in
Indonesia and Brazil, the money often simply flows out.

Stiglitz calls this the 'hot money' cycle. Cash comes in for speculation in
real estate and currency, then flees at the first whiff of trouble. A
nation's reserves can drain in days.

And when that happens, to seduce speculators into returning a nation's own
capital funds, the IMF demands these nations raise interest rates to 30%,
50% and 80%.

'The result was predictable,' said Stiglitz. Higher interest rates demolish
property values, savage industrial production and drain national treasuries.

At this point, according to Stiglitz, the IMF drags the gasping nation to
Step Three: market-based pricing - a fancy term for raising prices on food,
water and cooking gas. This leads, predictably, to Step-Three-and-a-Half:
what Stiglitz calls 'the IMF riot'.

The IMF riot is painfully predictable. When a nation is, 'down and out, [the
IMF] squeezes the last drop of blood out of them. They turn up the heat
until, finally, the whole cauldron blows up,' -- as when the IMF eliminated
food and fuel subsidies for the poor in Indonesia in 1998. Indonesia
exploded into riots.

There are other examples -- the Bolivian riots over water prices last year
and, this February, the riots in Ecuador over the rise in cooking gas prices
imposed by the World Bank. You'd almost believe the riot was expected.

And it is. What Stiglitz did not know is that Newsnight obtained several
documents from inside the World Bank. In one, last year's Interim Country
Assistance Strategy for Ecuador, the Bank several times suggests -- with
cold accuracy -- that the plans could be expected to spark 'social unrest'.

That's not surprising. The secret report notes that the plan to make the US
dollar Ecuador's currency has pushed 51% of the population below the poverty
line.

The IMF riots (and by riots I mean

[CTRL] Men Spoke of Attack Before It Happened

2001-09-13 Thread Edward Britton


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Men Spoke of Attack Before It Happened
Channel 9 Eyewitness News

Channel Nine Eyewitness News has learned new information about a possible
local connection to the case of terrorism in the U.S.

The FBI has received over 2,000 phone call. One case they are investigating
involves comments made before the hijackings.

It appears from information obtained by Channel 9, there were several
people in Daytona Beach who had prior knowledge of the attacks.

A local man says he was interviewed by FBI agents Wednesday afternoon,
after three men of Arabic dissent came into his bar the night before the
attacks, and bragged about what was going to happen.

The FBI's latest lead in tracking down those responsible for the attacks,
could come from a bar and strip club, The Pink Pony, in Daytona Beach. It
was there employees say the three spent several hours the night before
attack, bragging to customers about bloodshed that would take place the
next day.

They basically said wait till tomorrow and you'll see what I'm talking
about. Vice President John Kap says after news of the attack broke, he
called the FBI and turned over items left behind by the men he describes as
in their early 20's.

We gave them three copies of credit cards and id's, we also gave them the
Koran with the fingerprints on it and they were gonna take it back to the
lab and analyze it and do their jobs from that.

The FBI wouldn't comment on the situation but did say special agents were
still following up leads in Florida and agents in Daytona Beach could be
seen working well into the night.

People talk sports, religion, politics all the time and these guys were
just a little adamant about it and I guess we saw that maybe they knew
something that the rest of us didn't know.

An FBI spokesperson wouldn't confirm for us that they are working this
lead, but Kap showed us parts of credit card receipts without identifying
the men, as well as a business card left behind he says by the special
agent he says he spoke with.

Edward   +

Logic:

(1) The study or practice of the principles of reasoning, especially of the
structure of propositions as distinguished from their content and of method
and validity in deductive reasoning.

(2) A means of terrifying liberals.

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[CTRL] Footage of Palestinian Celebrations from 1991??

2001-09-13 Thread Nessie


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http://www.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=63414

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[CTRL] A Spike Listing

2001-09-13 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn


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Mohawk Ironworkers See Terrorist Plane Pass By; St. Regis Families
Worry

Posted: September 12, 2001 - 13:45 est
by: Jim Adams / Indian Country Today

HOGANSBURG, N. Y.  -.  Mohawk ironworkers were working 50 floors up at
a lower Manhattan job when an airliner passed within what seemed like
50 feet of their crane on the way to its collision with the World
Trade Center about 10 blocks away.

Richard Otto immediately got on his cell phone with Michael Swamp,
Business Manager of Ironworkers Local 440 at the St. Regis (Akwesasne)
Mohawk Reservation.

He called in all shook up after the first plane passed, Swamp told
ICT. He was telling me the wing of a plane had just missed their
crane.

Then as they were talking the second plane came by, headed for the
other World Trade Center Tower. He got excited and said another plane
was coming, Swamp said. 'Listen, this is going to hit,' Otto said.
He started telling people to get out.

In the background, the sound of workers screaming and yelling came
over the phone. Then said Swamp, I could hear the ruffle. I could
hear the boom. That's when I lost the phone connection.

 From the same site, about 8:45 a.m., ironworker Norman Big Tree got in
a call to his father, St. Regis subchief John Big Tree, Jr. The
chiefs came into my office and we turned on the TV, said St. Regis
tribal spokeswoman Rowena General. That was when the second plane hit
the south tower.

Shock immediately hit the St. Regis Reservation, perhaps the part of
Indian country most directly affected by the terrorist attack which
collapsed the giant World Trade Center towers and showered debris for
blocks around with still unknown loss of life. About 100 Mohawk men
from the famed Ironworkers union were working at construction sites in
New York City and New Jersey at the time of the attack.

Swamp set up an emergency clearing house at the union hall in
Hogansburg to locate the ironworkers. By Wednesday morning, Swamp said
that 79 had called in or gotten in touch with relatives. I'm still
looking for about 20 of my men, he said. But he added that the union
agent in Manhattan thought they were safely away from the disaster.

As families on the reservation called the union hall and tribal
offices for news, the tribe also coped with sudden tension along the
Canadian border, which cuts through the Akwesasne community. Tribal
Chief of Police Andrew Thomas called for all tribal members to look
for any suspicious activity along the border.

Suspects in the hijacking of planes from Boston's Logan Airport used
in the attack were reported to have flown in from Portland, Maine,
after crossing the border in the vicinity of Vermont and Maine, said
General, a distance to the east from Akwesasne. But she said that
tribal police and community members were on alert.

Tribal authorities, she said, assist state and federal agencies on
security matters and will continue to do so.

Many of our men have contributed to watching the borders through our
community, for anyone trying to come into the U. S. or trying to get
back into Canada.

Although the border remained formally open, said General, the
heightened security was causing up to 45 minute delays for Mohawk
families divided by the boundary. School children were especially
affected, said General.

A lot of our families who live on the Canadian side have children who
attend tribal schools here, she said. Many of our children attend
school in the city of Cornwall [in Canada].

In addition to the immediate impact, she said, the community had a
sentimental attachment to the Twin Towers. Quite a few Mohawk men
from Akwesasne actually built the World Trade Center.

Mohawk ironworkers became famous through the mid-20th century for
their role in putting up the skyline of New York and other northeast
cities. About a thousand Akwesasne Mohawk still work on high-rise
construction, said Swamp.



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Israeli intelligence: Iraq
financed attacks


GEOSTRATEGY-DIRECT.COM
Wednesday, September 12, 2001

Iraq recruited Saudi billionaire fugitive Osama Bin Laden and his Islamic
allies to carry out the suicide attacks around the United States, according
to Israeli intelligence.

Israeli officials and intelligence analysts said the suicide hijackings that
downed the World Trade Center and destroyed parts of the Pentagon was too
large an operation for any one group. The analysts said the operation was
also too big even for a coalition of Islamic terrorists headed by Saudi
billionaire fugitive Osama Bin Laden. Bin Laden is accused of masterminding
the bombings of the U.S. embassies in eastern African in 1998.

Intelligence sources briefed the Cabinet of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon on
late Tuesday, hours after the catastrophe in New York and Washington, Middle
East Newsline reported. The sources were quoted as telling the Cabinet that
a Middle East government was probably the sponsor of the attack.

The most likely sponsor for such an attack, the sources said, is Iraq. The
Baghdad regime has long maintained an alliance with Bin Laden and Islamic
groups.

All the steps lead to him [Bin Laden], Reuven Paz, a leading expert on
Islamic terrorism, said. Of all the countries, Iraq seems the most
reasonable [candidate].

In Baghdad, Iraqi state television appeared to welcome the bombings. The
television said the spate of attacks demonstrated the vulnerability of the
United States.

The massive explosions in the centers of power in America, notably the
Pentagon, is a painful slap in the face of U.S. politicians to stop their
illegitimate hegemony and attempts to impose custodianship on peoples, the
television said. It was no coincidence that the World Trade Center was
destroyed in suicidal operations involving two planes that have broken
through all U.S. security barriers to carry the operation of the century and
to express rejection of the reckless U.S. policy.

The collapse of U.S. centers of power is a collapse of the U.S. policy,
which deviates from human values and stands by world Zionism at all
international forums to continue to slaughter the Palestinian Arab people
and implement U.S. plans to dominate the world under the cover of what is
called the new [world] order, the television added. These are the fruits
of the new U.S. order.

The Israeli Cabinet was informed that the United States might launch a
massive attack on Iraq and Afghanistan over the coming days. The sources
said such an attack could prompt a regional war.

On early Wednesday, Afghanistan appeared to have been a target of
retaliation. Several bombings were heard in the Afghan capital of Kabul.
U.S. officials denied that their country was responsible.

In the aftermath of the suicide bombings in the United States, Israel closed
its air space. Israel also warned the Palestinian Authority to immediately
stop all attacks against the Jewish state.





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[CTRL] vcnet: Boycott Microsoft

2001-09-13 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER


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http://www.vcnet.com/bms/


Thursday's Front Page

Are Portals Slaves to Windows?


Something Mac users have known for a long time: lack of availability of
plug-ins for platforms other than Windows limits the availability of
bleeding edge Web applications for many users:

The recent trend of applications migrating from the PC desktop to the Web
has heartened advocates of standards-based computing who see the Web-based
services as a potential path to a platform-independent computing future.
But if you want full functionality at some of the top portal sites
aggregating these applications, you'd better have Windows.

From: CNN


An Open Letter to Readers

Many of you have written over the past several months asking what has
happened to me, and why Boycott Microsoft has been left in such a neglected
state, after so much obsessive attention was paid to it over so many years.
I have tried to reply personally to these questions, but know I have not
always been able to do so. Please accept my apologies -- I did not mean to
leave anyone in the dark.

No, I am happy to report, I have not fallen prey to the dark side. I
appreciate your interest and concern, and I am otherwise well.

A great many reasons could be stated for allowing Boycott Microsoft to fall
into suspended animation, but the most salient is that my life has become
unmanageably busy over the last year or so. I'm sure many of you can
identify with the phenomenon of ever-growing responsibilities and
ever-shrinking time. Something had to go, I decided, and Boycott Microsoft,
as one of the principal drains on my time, energy and resources for many
years, was the most expendable.

Also, I'd had for some time been harboring the suspicion that the crying
need for a effort of this kind was passing. Boycott Microsoft was begun in
the days when critiquing Microsoft was not regarded as a legitimate form of
free expression, and media critics were nearly nonexistent.

Alas, with the filing of the antitrust suit, the Microsoft critic bandwagon
became mighty crowded in a big hurry. We now find media pundits left and
right saying what we better-informed people have known for years -- that
Microsoft is not a company we can trust with our technological future.
Welcome to the front lines, ladies and gentlemen -- the shock troops are
delighted to see the reinforcements.

This is not to say that grassroots efforts like Boycott Microsoft have
necessarily been crowded out. In fact, obtaining the attention of the
traditional forces that be in our culture suggests a victory of
considerable scope. And, even though the next phase of this conflict is
more complex, and has been largely turned over to the forces of the media,
government and the markets, we still owe it to ourselves to vote wisely
with our dollars and to speak our minds on issues of import. This is, as
always, where the rubber hits the road.

Speaking for voting with dollars, I should also mention that although I
have fallen unforgivably behind, I have not forgotten your bumper sticker
orders. These have been backordered for some time, and I'm now sitting on
quite a backlog. Rest assured that nobody's check will be cashed until I
ship, and everyone will get more then they ordered when I finally get this
burden unloaded.

Thanks again, as always, for your patience, you support, your assistance
and your help.

Regards,

Mitch Stone

Editor/Publisher

07 October 00



Bill Gates is worth $97 billion. Ninety-seven billion, that is equal to the
net worth of 120 million Americans. How did he get that rich? He ain't that
smart.

MICHAEL MOORE, Film Maker


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[CTRL] Good News

2001-09-13 Thread M. F. Abernathy


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I just received an e-mail from my brother -- both my sister and uncle
are fine. My sister witnessed the attack, but she was unharmed. I thank
God for the good fortune of my family.

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Date:   Wed, 12 Sep 2001 7:21:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From:   XX
To:   Abemarf

We're all alright. I spoke to Barbara today, Mom spoke with Harry, and
Carolyn spoke with Joe. And of course, Jeanine and Chris are ok and
doing well. I was in lower Manhattan yesterday morning and actually saw
the WTC on fire (I didn't see the collapse). Barbara was even closer to
the action, and she had to make a run for it as the first building
collapsed. Neither she nor Joe made it to work yesterday or today, and
my office was closed yesterday and we were sent home. It's still closed
today. Carolyn spend the night at her job rather than endure the hassle
of coping with a curtailed transportation network. So there you have it
-- we've all survived this particular Mideastern conspiracy.



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Robert Novak (back to story)
September 13, 2001
This is no pearl harbor
WASHINGTON -- Security experts and airline officials agree privately that the
simultaneous hijacking of four jetliners was an inside job, probably
indicating complicity beyond malfeasance. This makes all the more ominous
Tuesday's national catastrophe and its dismal consequences.
Nobody was more vigorous Tuesday in demanding tough military reprisal
against the terrorists than former Secretary of State Lawrence Eagleburger.
However, he was virtually alone in directing his rage not only at the
assassins but also at security arrangements. I thought we had solved that
problem (of air skyjackings), he said. He pointed out that effective airport
security would have prevented the disaster that may exceed the 2,403
deaths in the bombing of Pearl Harbor.
The analogy with the Japanese surprise attack was drawn endlessly by
political leaders and journalists. Former Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan, with
a keen sense of history, disagreed: This, after all, was not Pearl Harbor. We
have not lost the Pacific fleet. Unlike Dec. 7, 1941, the second day of
infamy was not perpetrated by an enemy that at that time was militarily
superior and seemed to put this nation's very existence in question.
In the rage and mourning following Tuesday's disaster, few officials wanted to dwell 
on how a 10-year hiatus of airline hijackings in this country could be followed by 
four in one hour. At a minimum, the blame can be put
on ill-trained, incompetent personnel performing the screening of passengers. At the 
worst, security experts fear collusion with the terrorists, possibly even extending to 
the cockpit. This is a subject that the airlines
are loathe to discuss.
The immediate consequence, widely predicted by members of Congress, will be tighter 
security making life more difficult for airline travelers and other Americans. The 
instant security measures taken in Washington and arou
nd the country came after the greatest terrorist success in world history had run its 
course and would not have been effective in preventing disaster had it been put in 
place.
Of greater interest to members of congressional intelligence committees is the 
surprise element of the attacks. The CIA and FBI are internally at a low point of 
effectiveness. Human intelligence (spying) has been in dec
line for decades. No amount of security harassment of airline passengers will 
substitute for effective intelligence. Like Pearl Harbor, the lack of warning Sept. 11 
will be investigated.
Unlike Pearl Harbor, however, there is no clear foe. While secret briefings of members 
of Congress point to Osama bin Laden as the source of the attacks, President Bush's 
Tuesday night address to the nation named no names
. The government, at this writing, actually is not sure. Private sources indicate that 
the terrorists could be a splinter group of Osama, its identity and whereabouts as yet 
unknown.
An attack on Afghanistan for sheltering Osama's terrorists will put the United States 
in danger of being perceived, however incorrectly, as launching a holy war against 
Islam. There is strong sentiment in Congress for hit
ting somebody, somewhere who has unsavory terrorist credentials even if not connected 
with Tuesday's attack.
With a crippled CIA unable to target the assassins, the Bush administration seems 
headed to deliver the same kind of hammer blows that the Clinton administration used 
in the Kosovo war rather than surgical strikes aimed a
t the assassins.
Perhaps the biggest difference with Pearl Harbor is the cause of the conflict. Bush's 
eloquent call for unity talked of the need to defend freedom. Unlike Nazi Germany's 
and Imperial Japan's drive for a new world order,
 however, the hatred toward the U.S. by the terrorists is an extension of its hatred 
of Israel rather than world dominion. Secretary of State Colin Powell's laudable 
efforts at being an even-handed peacemaker makes no dif
ference to terrorists.
Stratfor.com, the private intelligence company, reported Tuesday: The big
winner today, intentionally or not, is the state of Israel. Whatever distance
Bush wanted between U.S. and Israeli policy, it was eliminated by terror. The
spectacle on television of Palestinian youths and mothers dancing in the
streets of East Jerusalem over the slaughter of Americans will not soon be
forgotten. The United States and Israel are brought ever closer in a way that
cannot improve long-term U.S. policy objectives.
Contact Robert Novak
©2001 Creators Syndicate, Inc.

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On 12 Sep 01, at 23:56, ashley Abraham wrote:

 I think I speak for many here when I say, Put a cork in it

There may be a lot of unpopular views expressed on this list, by any and all
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many kernels of truth that emerge.  This list does not exist (for me anyway)
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Without the entire spectrum of information and views, there is not way to
separate the wheat from the chaff.

However, I must congratulate you on demonstrating your ability to be on a
par with anyone's vitriol.

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[CTRL] Goose Bumps


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Local News :
Thursday, September 13, 2001
Schell taken aback by invitation's timing
Aides to Seattle Mayor Paul Schell were stunned yesterday when they
opened an envelope containing an invitation from New York Mayor Rudy
Giuliani.
The invitation was for a conference next month on disaster preparedness and
included sessions on terrorism, major-event planning and major building
collapses with implications.
The location: 7 World Trade Center, a 47-story building that collapsed
Tuesday under the falling debris of the center's twin towers.
I had nothing but goose bumps, said Schell's spokesman, Roger Nyhus,
on seeing the invitation.
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[CTRL] A Usual Sssuspect


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Wednesday, September 12, 2001
DAY OF INFAMY 2001
U.S. equipped
terror sponsors
Clinton exported NSA-ducking phone,
high-tech encryption devices to Syria
By Paul Sperry
© 2001 WorldNetDaily.com
WASHINGTON -- The dozen or so Islamic terrorists who pulled off the plot to
strike at America's nerve centers in New York and Washington spent
months, if not years, researching, planning and coordinating the surprise
attacks, U.S. security officials say. And they did it completely in secret,
using the world's most sophisticated telecommunications equipment, some
secured by advanced encryption technology that most armies don't have.

Where did they get such state-of-the-art, military-related gear?

First, you have to appreciate the high degree of communications activity their mission 
required at each stage.

In researching their targets, the terrorists picked ones relatively easy to hit at 
high air speeds, yet ones that would produce big casualties and provide symbolic blows 
to American morale. They had to pick airports close
 by, with weak security. They had to find jets with enough heft and wingspan and fuel 
to cause major damage, yet not so large that they required extra crew.

The Boeing 757s and 767s they hijacked were big, but all had just two pilots and no 
flight engineers, making it easier for terrorists to take the cockpits. And the 
heisted jets were from the same family of aircraft, obvia
ting additional cockpit training.

They also apparently studied passenger traffic patterns of airlines in order to pick 
flights with relatively few people aboard. All four flights had light passenger loads. 
The Boeing jets have roughly 160-seat capacities,
 yet American Flight 11 carried 81 passengers; American Flight 77, only 58; United 
Flight 175, 56; and United Flight 93, a skeletal 38.

Fewer passengers, fewer heroes to worry about.

More key, the terrorists needed to select transcontinental flights with big fuel loads 
to turn the planes into giant petro-bombs. All four flights were bound for California. 
They also had to know flight patterns, and how
to blind air-traffic controllers to the hijackings by turning off the planes' 
transponders, which send such warning signals, among other aviation information.

In planning the attack, they had to fashion weapons that they could sneak past airport 
security. Transportation Department officials think that they may have hedged their 
bets and even planted security people on the insid
e at Logan and Dulles airports, so that guards would look the other way when they came 
through metal detectors at the terminals.

The kamikaze pilots also had to log many hours on computer flight simulators with 
high-level graphics capability, to practice hitting their targets at full throttle. A 
Continental Airlines captain, who's flown both 757s a
nd 767s, told WorldNetDaily he thinks they may have even added the World Trade Center 
and Pentagon to the simulator's visual database.

At the airspeed of those strikes, which hit their targets dead on, the hand-eye 
coordination demands would be too high for casual flying skill -- with, or without, an 
autopilot engaged, he said.

They had to practice, moreover, navigating the jets to abruptly change their course, 
by as much as 180 degrees in some cases, after take-off. Flying them at low altitudes 
was also something they had to work on.

Synchronized terrorists
Finally, in executing their murderous missions, the 12 or so terrorists had to 
coordinate their activities, flawlessly, within a roughly two-hour stretch. And, for 
the most part, they did. They all got to the airport on t
ime, they all got through security, they all boarded their flights, they all hijacked 
their flights and, with the exception of one group, they all hit their targets.

Pulling off such a complex plot would have generated an inordinate volume of 
communications -- whether by radio, cell phone, land line, fax or modem -- among
the terrorists, among their Middle-Eastern sponsors and among commercial contacts here 
and abroad.

But somehow eavesdroppers at the super-secret National Security Agency -- with their 
billion-dollar satellite birds and other surveillance technology -- were deaf, dumb 
and blind to the wicked plot.

The real issue in this tragedy is how the hell were these people able to plan and 
coordinate such a strike over a period of months without the NSA intercepting their 
signals? demanded Peter M. Leitner, a senior strategi
c trade adviser at the Defense Department.

Leitner, who reviews commercial license applications for exports of some of the most 
sophisticated military-related technology, thinks he knows the answer.

The technology that would allow these terrorists to mask their communications was 
given away, hand over fist, by the Clinton

Re: [CTRL] FW: The Times.htm

2001-09-13 Thread Nessie


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 The corpse, which was found in the cockpit . . . (etc.)


This is extremely difficult to believe. The cockpit disintigrated and
the ensuing explosion vaporized any nearby bodies.

So this is almost certainly disinfo. But by who? And why?

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Thanks to the Almighty, Martin. A prayer answered.

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With all HTML that coding, how could you tell?


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[CTRL] Effects of Causes


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 12 - Sep - 2001 / 09:18 PM GMT
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This story was printed from http://star.arabia.com  - Jordan issus,
EDITORIAL:Will Americans react once the inevitable occurs?
Sep 09, 2001, 12:38 PM
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ÇáÃÑÏä (AROL) - IT IS inevitable. Despite their best intentions, Americans,
are going to find themselves physically part of the conflict in the Middle East.
What will happen then, especially in light of the American convention of
protecting their own?  Even recently when a young man was accused of
possessing and dealing drugs in Russia, he knew he could count on his
President to whisper in the ear of President Putin for a get out of jail free card.
And now Israelis are hitting Palestinian-Americans in their continuing
aggression.  It was inevitable.  Will President Bush come to their aid the
same way he did for the American accused of drug crimes?  It is curious to
most outside the US, outrageous to others, that American citizens continue,
day to day, to sit in their homes eating dinner, watching television and
allowing the violence to continue in the Occupied Territories.  How can
Americans sit back and watch a people âtargetedâ by weapons their
very government supplies?  Are they unaware they are financing this
aggression?  Havenât Americans realized their silence makes them as
much a part of this as their President and his ill-defined policies?


Truth is, they donât. Americansâ relation to the world is complicated. It is a 
complexity that is perhaps best understood in the Middle East, where complexity is a 
way of life.  It is complicated by a media that sees
its job as entertainer first and then as a very selective informer.  It is complicated 
by a society that seems to value pop culture and the Weather Channel over global 
warming and the ill-effects of globalization.  It is
a nation of consumers whose power is unknown to them. Many live in a vacuum unaware of 
the brutality outside.  And now, largely unbeknownst to them, they are playing a role 
in the way a war is being waged. It is not a dec
lared war; to label it so changes political dynamics. Though most involved would feel 
a sense of relief at calling a spade a spade. Are Americans aware that no response 
still counts as a response, leaving them complicit i
n actions they would surely find reprehensible?


Right now Americans are worried about their dollars. The US economy is in the 
doldrums. Afraid to say the word ârecessionâ, a struggle continues as the budget 
surplus promised by the previous administration dwindles a
nd the finger pointing begins.
With all this in mind, will Americans remain mute when one of their own comes in 
harmâs way?  Western media reports change their tone and direction when an American 
face or voice tells the tale.
American reports from the assassination of Abu Ali Mustapha ran with American voices 
telling American perspectives of the atrocity.  Does this make it more legitimate to 
Americans? Yes. Should it? Surely not. But the real
ity is Americans come together when they see one of their own attacked.  Israeli 
movement into Beit Jala resulted in reports subtly tinged with the words âa largely 
Christian community.â  Islam, so often misunderstood
 or maligned, can now be removed as a filter for American relevance. Here was a moment 
that showed it did not matter the faith; no one was immune.


 For the message to be understood it must cross the threshold, entering American 
homes, making point after point. Only then can the political change so desperately 
needed in American-Middle East policy begin.
It is difficult to blame an American public so dumbed down by a media tightly aligned 
with corporate sponsors whose primary focus is consumerism.  The message gets lost 
time and again. It is unfortunate it takes the sound
 of an American voice to break through all the media static, but this is the American 
reality. The sound of one American voice speaking will not change things.  But the 
fact it is heard at all could be the beginning of a
sea of change. One report leads to another until slowly Americans develop some 
sophistication and awaken from their slumber. This fact should not be lost as the 
media war unfolds.
Seeing American faces standing amongst the rubble of another Israeli attack
begs a question: Will it take American blood drawn by Israel and likely fired
from American weaponry to make Americans care? Perhaps. In a war where
the targets of so-called targeted killings end up women and children, such
a circumstance seems inevitable. Americans don_t see Israel_s policies in
the Middle East as a personal threat.  It is out there, happening to a people
and a faith they don_t understand. Only when they appreciate the relevance,
understand the similarity and realize the faces on television could be their
own, will they cry out for change and hopefully justice.
  © The Star
  2000-2001
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From www.wsws.org
WSWS : News  Analysis : North America
The political roots of the terror attack on New York and Washington
By the Editorial Board
12 September 2001
Back to screen version| Send this link by email | Email the author
The World Socialist Web Site unequivocally condemns the terrorist attacks
on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Those responsible for the
hijacking of four commercial passenger aircraft and their conversion into
flying bombs are guilty of mass murder. Nothing of a socially progressive
character will be achieved on the basis of such an indiscriminate and callous
destruction of human life.
These acts of homicidal terrorism manifest a toxic combination of
demoralized pessimism, religious and ultra-nationalist obscurantism, and, it
must be added, political opportunism of the vilest character. Terrorist
organizationsnotwithstanding their anti-American rhetoricbase their
tactics on the illusion that random acts of horrific violence will compel the US
ruling class to shift its policies. Thus, in the final analysis, they hope to
make a deal with Washington.
However it seeks to justify itself, the terrorist method is fundamentally
reactionary. Far from dealing a powerful blow against imperialist militarism,
terrorism plays into the hands of those elements within the US
establishment who seize on such events to justify and legitimize the resort
to war in pursuit of the geopolitical and economic interests of the ruling elite.
The murder of innocent civilians enrages, disorients and confuses the public.
It undermines the struggle for the international unity of the working class, and
counteracts all efforts to educate the American people on the history and
politics that form the background to contemporary events in the Middle East.
Nevertheless, our condemnation of Tuesdays terrorist outrages does not in
the slightest imply any lessening of our principled and irreconcilable
opposition to the policies of the US government. Anyone who wishes to
understand the why and wherefore of yesterdays events must study the
historical and political record of the US in the Middle East, especially over
the last 30 years. The unrelenting efforts of American imperialism to secure
its domination over the oil resources of the region, which has entailed,
among other things, unstinting support for the Israeli states oppression of
the Palestinian people, has placed the United States in violent opposition to
the legitimate and irrepressible democratic, national and social aspirations of
the Arab masses.
In the immediate aftermath of Tuesdays events, politicians, editorialists and
media pundits have declared over and over that Americans must recognize
that the destruction of the World Trade Center means the United States is at
war and must act accordingly. But the fact of the matter is that the US
government has been engaged in direct warfare in the Middle East, in one
form or another, for the better part of two decades.
Putting aside the massive material aid that it provides for Israeli military
operations, the United States has been bombing one or another Middle
Eastern country almost continuously since 1983. US bombers and/or
battleships have attacked Lebanon, Libya, Iraq, Iran, the Sudan and
Afghanistan. Without actually declaring war, the United States has
conducted military operations against Iraq for nearly 12 years. The ongoing
daily bombings of Iraq are barely mentioned in the American media, which
has made no attempt to ascertain the total number of Iraqis killed by US
bombs since 1991.
Given this bloody record, why should anyone be surprised that those who
have been targeted by the United States have sought to strike back?
The same media that is now screaming for blood has routinely applauded the
use of violence against whatever country or people are deemed to be
obstacles to US interests. Let us recall the words of New York Times
columnist Thomas Friedman, who had this to say to the Serbian people
during the US bombing campaign in 1999: It should be lights out in
Belgrade: every power grid, water pipe, road and war-related factory has to
be hit [W]e will set your country back by pulverizing you. You want 1950?
We can do 1950. You want 1389? We can do 1389.
The foreign policy of the US is a mixture of cynicism, brutality and
irresponsibility. Washington has pursued a course that has inflamed the
hatred of large sections of the worlds population, creating an environment in
which recruits can be found for bloody terrorist operations. In rare moments
of candor, foreign policy specialists have acknowledged that the actions of
the United States provoke hatred and the desire for retribution. During the
Balkan War, former Secretary of State Lawrence Eagleburger stated: Weve
presented to the rest of the world a vision of the bully on the block who
pushes a button, people out there die, we dont pay anything except the cost
of a missile ... thats going to haunt us in terms

Re: [CTRL] Effects of Causes


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 Right now Americans are worried about their dollars. The US economy
 is in the doldrums. Afraid to say the word ârecessionâ, a
 struggle continues as the budget surplus promised by the previous
 administration dwindles a
 nd the finger pointing begins.

And just in the nick of time, here's a war to jump-start the economy.



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[CTRL] Fwd: Google Search: Fiery Flying Serpent


2nd item down here - the David Kore(sh) connection to the Isaiah 2-30
reading and we had the message left in Gideon Bible by McVeigh who said
he did it for Waco.

Was there a connection between McVeigh and Kore(sh) and these suicide
planes of which we are not aware?

Easy thing to blame on Arabs  -  now they say Egyptians involved -
everybody is involved.

I only know for sure this is the bible calendar, the master plan and the
watchwords are there.

Even JFK took name of his book from last Chaper of Mathew - While
England Slept..Symbol of Rising Sun so Climb Mt..whatever,
this code is used by our enemies.

Is this why Feds were so afraid of this Kore(sh).is this why KGB
wanted this tunnel information in Washington and there are numerous
tunnels in New York City and in particular under the Twin Towers which
once were the symbols of our Commercialism.

By the way, the Gideons were once known as, Christian Commercial
Travelers.

Now is time to be still?   Well maybe I will be still now for awhile but
I am most interested in the picture on COUP - was it before or after,
the explosion and the Shinto Kamikazees?   Doomsdayers?   Oriental
Hookup?

Noted the RED STAR which symbolizes Antares...which burns bright through
Septemer, October and Novemberevil days and this is the heart of
Scorpio.

My friend was astrologer (one of several) to Ronald Reagan (and is
mention in book on Nancy Reagan by Kelly).she knew the score and she
saw what I saw in this stuff.

And screw you J2.

Saba

Second posting down is Davidians - they are in Kentucky now.Kore(sh)
had connections of which we are not aware.Gideon style.   For he did
not fly the Star of David - he flew the Fiery FLYING SERPENT flag like a
Godzilla - who destroys the high rises in movies in Japan.red eyed
flying serpents are part of the Japanese symblism?




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Re: [CTRL] Fiery Flying Serpent - Ishmael

2001-09-13 Thread John Miller


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Leaving aside the fiery serpents,

Is Islam of the spirit of Ishmael?

And the angel of the LORD said unto her (Hagar), I will multiply thy seed
exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude. Gen.16:10

And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou [art] with child, and
shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath
heard thy affliction. Gen 16: 11

And he will be a wild ass; his hand [will be] against every man, and every
man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his
brethren. Gen 16:12

I repeat, and Ishmael's hand [will be] against every man, and every man's
hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

So it looks as if Islam is of Ishmael.

JohnDM

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[CTRL] Gen. Singlaub: Prepare for Biological, Chemical Attacks


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 Gen. Singlaub: Prepare for Biological, Chemical Attacks

Thursday, September 13, 2001
Gen. Jack Singlaub, the former U.S. supreme commander of all U.S.
forces in Korea, told NewsMax that additional, more significant
attacks against the U.S. could take place in the next several
weeks.
He warned that an escalation of terror - which might follow such an
elaborate scheme as we have already seen unfold - might include the
use of chemical or biological weapons of mass destruction.

General Singlaub said that he shared the views of NewsMax national
security consultant, Col. Stanislav Lunev, who has also issued a
similar warning.

This is my view, he said, There is a possibility of a biological
or chemical attack.

The view that additional attacks are likely is shared by the U.S.
government.

Fox News reported last evening that lawmakers were told in
classified briefings that additional attacks are 'possible if not
probable' and they should not assume a false sense of security.
This message has been conveyed with a very deliberate and serious
level of magnitude.


This is really war, Gen. Singlaub told NewsMax.com. Singlaub
himself witnessed the fireball explosion at the Pentagon, he lives
just a quarter-mile from the military complex.

His analysis follows, with direct quotes in bold:

1. Go beyond the terrorists.

This time we need to strike not only at the terrorists, but the
countries that give them safe harbor, that finance them, that
provide them sanctuary.

2. Russia and China

We need to remember that Russia and China continue to be in
alliances with many of the nations that are supporting these
terrorists.

3. President Clinton is largely responsible for this disaster.

He decimated U.S. forces. He helped the very nations seeking to
harm us, Russia and China. He claimed they were strategic partners.
Russia and China have been backing these terrorist countries like
Iraq.

What Clinton did was get the good people out of these agencies,
the intelligence agencies. They either quit or were fired. The
people who supported Clinton stayed or were promoted.

Look at the case of Notra Trulock [former head of nuclear weapons
security at the Dept. of Energy]. He was fired because he
complained about the lack of security. The people who agreed with
Clinton and helped produce this current situation are still running
these agencies in the U.S. government.

Clinton policies also feminized the military. The promotion of
feminization and homosexuality not only ruins morale, but to the
rest of the world, our enemies look at that and think we are weak.

4. Don't tar Muslims.

This is very similar to 1941, after Pearl Harbor, when the loyalty
of Japanese were questioned. As it turned out the Japanese-American
were fiercely loyal. There are many good Arabs and Muslims in
America. These are good Americans. Many, if not most of the Arab
countries have been good allies of the United States. We should not
harm a lot of our good allies.

5. Missile defense is urgently needed.

These defenses are needed for two different threats. First, from
the threat of ballistic missiles, ICBMs, which still continue to
threaten us. Second, we need theatre missile defense. We need also
an expanded homeland defense. This might include upgrading the
National Guard and expanding the Coast Guard.Read more on this
subject in related Hot Topics:
Domestic Terrorism

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[CTRL] Will be on Radio Liberty Tommorrow 9/14; 4-5 pm PDT


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[CTRL] Fw: September 11, 2001Condolances from all over the World thru NASA

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~Amelia~

- Original Message -
From: NASA Science News [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: NASA Science News [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 12:22 PM
Subject: September 11, 2001

Science@NASA is based in the United States, but among our many
subscribers
are a substantial number of readers from other countries.  In
recent days
many of them have written to us expressing their sympathies and
horror at
the events of Sept. 11th. Their messages, attached below, reveal
how the
heart-breaking loss of life in New York, Washington, D.C., and
Pennsylvania touches everyone. The staff of Science@NASA extend our
heartfelt condolences to the many victims of Tuesday's tragedy, and
we
thank our friends overseas for their kind messages of support as we
resume, later today, our regular schedule of scientific
story-telling.

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TO:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FROM:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Dear Mr. Koczor,

All of us are shocked by the awful events that have occurred
yesterday in
New York and in Washington and we wish to extend our sympathy to
you and
your colleagues.

If there is any way that we can help, please let us know.

Sincerely,

Inna Mardanyan
Moscow, Russia

TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FROM: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dear friends,
Your colleagues from Paleontological Institute of Moscow are with
you.
Our sympathy, thoughts and support are yours. And will always be.
Best regards,

Alexei Rzanov, Galina Ushatinskaya, and all colleagues from Moscow

TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FROM:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Dear Ron,

We are very sorry and really left astonished and speechless with
terrorism
struck US yesterday. We sincerely wish and hope that everything is
OK for
you and all the American colleagues and families.
Yours,

Sophia
Athens, Greece

TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FROM:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dear Dr Phillips

As my only point of contact with the United States is through your
science@NASA website, I would like to express my heartfelt
condolences to
the American people, our thoughts and prayers especially go out to
the
relatives and friends of those who perished in the awful events
that
occurred yesterday
Yours Sincerely
Tony Aggett
United Kingdom
*
TO:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FROM: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

We would like to offer our deepfelt sympathy, concern and prayers
to our
friends and colleagues in the US at this dreadful time,

Margaret and Alex Mazzolini
Melbourne, Australia
*

TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FROM:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

We are absolutely shocked by horrible events in the U.S. It is
unbelievable...Accept my condolences...Today our world has changed.
What
will happen to our world?
Take care,
Prof Omarov
Alma Aty, Khazakstan
*

TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FROM:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

As the President of CANADIAN Environmental Science and Research
Group and
on behalf of the Team of CESAR Group I would like to send our heart
felt
sorrow to those family members who lost relatives in these vicious
and
despicable attacks on democracy. God Bless America!

Jack Pender
Canada
*

From: Rafael Cárdenas Santacruz
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sincere greetings Dr. Koczor, Ron

Together with my family, we feel very sorry for the regrettable
incidents
in New York. We are with you with all our hearts.

Rafael Cardenas Santacruz
Scientific Technician
Bogota, Columbia
*

TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FROM:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

In the 1930's Stalin deported and murdered 25,000 Finns that were
peacefully living on the Soviet side of the border. It was a blind
terror
action against civilians, a complete ethnical cleaning of the
Karelia
county.  Without successful defensive fight in the following winter
war
1939 when Stalin tried to invade Finland (5 of my uncles were
killed, my
father injured), we would, according to recently discovered
documents from
Moscow, all have been deported to Siberia, and I would not sit here
and
study your website.

These terrorists try to create a world of that kind. We do not want
this
world anymore!
All the best for you in the USA

Jarl
Helsinki, Finland

Necochea, 11/9/01
TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

NASA:
Hi¡, My name is Maria. I am aware of the attack that has been
perpetrated
against your country, and I am very sad. I live in Buenos Aires,
Argentina. I am 14 years old and there is not much that I can do to
help,
but I profoundly admire you and you have my moral support. I would
like to
ask you a favor. Please reach an agreement without wars, but I hope
those
responsible are found, so that peace will be extended throughout
the
world.
Sincerely,

Maguie.
*

From: Jonathon Dugdale
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 9/11/01 12:37 PM
Subject: Condolences

On behalf of all the employees and stakeholders of

[CTRL] 30,000+ Dead in New York


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Wednesday, Sept. 12, 2001 9:06 p.m. EDT
30,000+ Dead in New York

Officials' initial estimates of the death toll from the World Trade
Center disaster are 20,000 or more from the twin towers and 10,000
from the mall, Fox News Channel reported this evening.

NewsMax first broke this story, quoting a source close to the Port
Authority with impeccable credentials who had intimate knowledge of
the World Trade Center and its operations.

The Pentagon death toll is estimated in the low hundreds.

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[CTRL] Clinton Nixed Hit on Bin Laden in December


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{{This has also been reported on CNN and other cable news.  AKE}}


As recently as last December, former President Bill Clinton was
presented with reliable intelligence pinpointing the whereabouts of
suspected Word Trade Center terrorist Osama bin Laden -- along with
the U.S. military's plan to take him out.

But Clinton declined to green light the operation.

The information on bin Laden's location came from eyes-on
intelligence, the Associated Press reported Thursday, indicating
he was spotted by a tipster on the ground or via satellite
surveillance.

The intelligence coup is said to have spurred a high-level debate
among senior White House officials over whether this was Clinton's
last chance to eliminate bin Laden before he left office.

Former Clinton administration national security advisor Sandy
Berger admitted to the AP, There were a couple of points,
including in December, where there was intelligence indicative of
bin Laden's whereabouts.

But in the wake of reports that bin Laden masterminded Tuesday's
attacks on New York's World Trade Center and the Pentagon in
Washington, Berger sounded somewhat defensive, complaining, I can
categorically tell you that at no point was it ripe enough to act.

He also attempted to shift blame to the military for the decision
not to act, saying, There was never a recommendation from the
Pentagon.

Among the factors weighed in the decision to spare the deadly
terrorist in December were concerns about collateral damage; i.e.,
the deaths of innocent civilians in Afghanistan.

In 1998, Clinton ordered a cruise missile strike on a suspected bin
Laden training camp in Khost, Afghanistan, resulting in the deaths
of 20 suspected terrorists.

Tuesday's World Trade Center attack is believed to have killed as
many as 30,000 Americans.

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[CTRL] Fw: Congress reassesses its security plans


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Congress reassesses its security plans

Cold War-era crisis procedures weren't much comfort to officials
fearing imminent terrorist attack
Some lawmakers suggested Tuesday's events revealed gaps in
procedures for evacuating leaders.


By John F. Harris
THE WASHINGTON POST

Sept. 13 -  The frantic evacuations of the White House and
Capitol - along with the decision to spirit some key officials by
helicopter to a fortified mountain site in Virginia - were based on
elaborate plans originally drawn up in preparation for a nuclear
attack during the Cold War and extensively revised in recent years
to reflect rising concern over terrorism, according to current and
former government officials.

 At the White House, there were panicked dashes for the gates by
most employees, after the Secret Service - apparently fearing that
the complex was at risk from an air attack - gave the order to
clear out.

 WHEN A MOMENT of genuine crisis actually arrived, however,
the response reflected desperate improvisation as much as careful
planning, some of these same officials said. On Capitol Hill some
lawmakers suggested the day revealed gaps in procedures for
evacuating leaders and getting timely information to members.
   At the White House, there were panicked dashes for the gates
by most employees, after the Secret Service - apparently fearing
that the complex was at risk from an air attack - gave the order to
clear out.
   Officials of arguably marginal importance to national
security, such as Agriculture Secretary Ann M. Veneman, were flown
to Virginia. But some specially fortified offices in the White
House were deemed safe enough for the most important officials,
like Vice President Cheney, to stay put.
   On Capitol Hill, the situation was the opposite: The most
important people were moved away with greatest dispatch. House
Speaker J. Dennis Hastert, R-Ill. - who is second in line of
presidential succession after the vice president under the
Constitution - was evacuated quickly, sometime around 10 a.m., and
flown immediately to the Virginia redoubt.
   It was not until a couple of hours later that other top
lawmakers, including Senate Majority Leader Thomas A. Daschle,
D-S.D., and House Minority Leader Richard A. Gephardt, D-Mo., who
had gone to his Capitol Hill home after the Capitol was first
evacuated, were also flown to the countryside.

SOMETHING OUT OF 'DR. STRANGELOVE'
   What followed at a large unidentified complex there was
described by some attendees as a surreal scene - something out of
Dr. Strangelove, as one person described it. Legislative leaders
who ordinarily have little but disdain for one another, such as
House Majority Whip Tom DeLay, R-Texas, and House Minority Whip
David E. Bonior, D-Mich., huddled around television sets, talking
with one another and occasionally taking calls from Cheney back at
the White House for updates on the situation.
   The ability of the president and other policymakers to
retain command and control of the military and the other levers of
government at critical moments during a crisis was a preoccupation
of the Cold War. Much less visibly, Clinton administration
officials devoted significant time to revising the rules for
evacuation and chain of command in the event of a terrorist attack.
But the fact that some important Washington figures stayed
and others left, and that there was apparently considerable
confusion on the Hill and among administration officials about what
people were supposed to do, suggests those plans were followed in
only fragmentary fashion, some officials said.
   They were calling audibles, said one former senior
government official, who had extensive involvement in national
security matters, of Tuesday's plan for protecting national
leaders.
   Much of the planning in recent years, according to
knowledgeable sources, was done in anticipation of a possible
attack using biological or chemical weapons. The particular
scenario of horror that unfolded Tuesday was not widely discussed
or anticipated.
   The White House, sources say, does have antiaircraft
artillery on its roof to shoot down aircraft steering toward the
complex. One former U.S. official said those guns might be
effective against a smaller aircraft but probably would be of much
less utility against a large commercial airliner hurtling inbound
at high speed.
   White House press secretary Ari Fleischer, defending
President Bush's decision to originally take refuge at an Air Force
base in Nebraska rather than return to Washington immediately from
a day trip to Florida, said officials had real and credible
information that the White House had been targeted by terrorists
for attack.
   Asked why Vice President Cheney remained in the White House
if the building was in danger, Fleischer said: The White House has
sufficient secure locations in an event such as this.
   In general, White House officials disclosed

[CTRL] Jeffers Website Collecting for Supplies for Rescue Dogs


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They are going to send shoes , etc. to the Rescue Dogs and are
accepting donations.  Jeffers will also pay all shipping and taxes.
FedEx is supposed to be one of the few things flying today.  These
shoes are VITAL to these dogs.  I know this from my own dogs'
'mousing' as they cut their feet and legs badly and in their haste,
often abandoning all caution to get at their target.
~Amelia~

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[CTRL] Subject: Flags Across America Friday Flag Day


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 Subject: Flags Across America



  To show those terrorists that we Americans stick together,
FRIDAY

  SEPTEMBER 14 is Flags Across America.  All Americans are asked
to
 display
 the

  American flag either in their homes or cars. Let's keep the
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Re: [CTRL] Hijacker's body recovered

2001-09-13 Thread Linda Minor


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I searched the Times website for the url for this story.  Apparently it has
been changed.  It now reads:

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,2001310020-2001320235,00.html
THURSDAY SEPTEMBER 13 2001

Hijacker's body recovered

Rescuers have found the body of a terrorist who hijacked one of the
airplanes that crashed into the World Trade Centre, Sky News reported.

The corpse, which was found in the cockpit, was apparently not wearing a
uniform.

Recovery teams also found the body of a stewardess whose hands had been tied
together with wire.


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[CTRL] :Bin Laden - Some background facts

2001-09-13 Thread Mrs. Jela Jovanovic





 -Original 
Message-  From: Miroslav Antic [EMAIL PROTECTED]  To: Siem News 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sin [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Date: Thursday, 
April 27, 2000 11:44 PM  Subject: SN920:Bin Laden - Some background 
facts  Laden has 20 
nukesSPECIAL TO WORLD TRIBUNE.COM 
   Monday, August 9, 1999  WASHINGTON -- 
Saudi fugitive Osama Bin Laden is believed to  have up to 20 
nuclear bombs and is seeking to launch a massive  terrorist 
strike against the United States, a congressional  investigator 
and author says.Yosef Bodansky, a researcher 
of the House Task Force for  Counterterrorism and author of a 
new book on Bin Laden, told a  news conference on Friday that 
Bin Laden has been seeking to  follow up on his bombings of two 
U.S. embassies in east Africa  one year ago. Echoing U.S. 
officials, Bodansky said Bin Laden  was thwarted in plans to 
blow up the U.S. embassy and two  consulates in India in last 
December and January.Bin Laden has 
biological, chemical and nuclear weapons and has  received 
technical help from Iraq, Bodansky said. The nuclear  weapons 
include suitcase bombs acquired through Chechniyan  
rebels."The Russians believe that he has 
a handful [of nuclear weapons],  the Saudi intelligence services 
are very conservative . . . they are  friendly to the United 
States, [and] believe that he has in the  neighborhood of 20," 
Bodansky said. Bin Laden obtained and  purchased the suitcase 
bombs from multiple sources, he said. He  has a "collection of 
individuals knowledgeable in activating the  bombs" and "is 
recruiting former Soviet special forces [to learn]  how to 
operate the bombs behind enemy lines.""As 
far as decision-making in Washington is concerned, we should  
assume that he has them," he added. "Most of them have been  
transferred through Pakistan.""Let me 
stress here: We don't have any indication that they are  going 
to use [them] tomorrow or any other day," added Bodansky,  whose 
intelligence estimates and analyses are considered  
controversial in Washingon. "But they have the capability, they  
have the legitimate authorization, they have the logic" for using 
 them. "One does not [make] the tremendous amount of  
expenditures, effort, investment in human beings, in human  
resources, to have something that will be just kept somewhere in 
 storage."Bodansky said Bin Laden 
has strong ties with Islamic  fundamentalists throughout the 
Middle East, the Balkans, Britain  and the United States. He 
refused to name any specific  organization in the United 
States."There's a distinct minority within 
the Moslem community in the  United States that is very 
sympathetic to his cause, to his analysis  and interpretation of 
the relationship between the hub of Islam and  the penetration 
of Westernization, Western culture and the like,"  he said. "And 
a minority among this minority are known to have  crossed the 
threshold of willingness to commit terrorist acts or  commit 
violence. Many have been trained in Afghanistan, Bosnia  and 
elsewhere throughout the Moslem world, so that they are  
capable. They have the skills and capabilities to carry out an  
operation as required."Bodansky said Bin 
Laden remains in Afghanistan. He said the  Saudi is located in 
Islam Darva, about 80 kilometers northwest of  Kandahar. When he 
wants to communicate with the outside world,  he travels to 
Jalalabad, he said.  Monday, 
August 9, 1999

[CTRL] Bin Laden - Some background facts

2001-09-13 Thread Mrs. Jela Jovanovic





 -Original 
Message-  From: Miroslav Antic [EMAIL PROTECTED]  To: Siem News 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sin [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Date: Thursday, 
April 27, 2000 11:44 PM  Subject: SN920:Bin Laden - Some background 
facts  Laden has 20 
nukesSPECIAL TO WORLD TRIBUNE.COM 
   Monday, August 9, 1999  WASHINGTON -- 
Saudi fugitive Osama Bin Laden is believed to  have up to 20 
nuclear bombs and is seeking to launch a massive  terrorist 
strike against the United States, a congressional  investigator 
and author says.Yosef Bodansky, a researcher 
of the House Task Force for  Counterterrorism and author of a 
new book on Bin Laden, told a  news conference on Friday that 
Bin Laden has been seeking to  follow up on his bombings of two 
U.S. embassies in east Africa  one year ago. Echoing U.S. 
officials, Bodansky said Bin Laden  was thwarted in plans to 
blow up the U.S. embassy and two  consulates in India in last 
December and January.Bin Laden has 
biological, chemical and nuclear weapons and has  received 
technical help from Iraq, Bodansky said. The nuclear  weapons 
include suitcase bombs acquired through Chechniyan  
rebels."The Russians believe that he has 
a handful [of nuclear weapons],  the Saudi intelligence services 
are very conservative . . . they are  friendly to the United 
States, [and] believe that he has in the  neighborhood of 20," 
Bodansky said. Bin Laden obtained and  purchased the suitcase 
bombs from multiple sources, he said. He  has a "collection of 
individuals knowledgeable in activating the  bombs" and "is 
recruiting former Soviet special forces [to learn]  how to 
operate the bombs behind enemy lines.""As 
far as decision-making in Washington is concerned, we should  
assume that he has them," he added. "Most of them have been  
transferred through Pakistan.""Let me 
stress here: We don't have any indication that they are  going 
to use [them] tomorrow or any other day," added Bodansky,  whose 
intelligence estimates and analyses are considered  
controversial in Washingon. "But they have the capability, they  
have the legitimate authorization, they have the logic" for using 
 them. "One does not [make] the tremendous amount of  
expenditures, effort, investment in human beings, in human  
resources, to have something that will be just kept somewhere in 
 storage."Bodansky said Bin Laden 
has strong ties with Islamic  fundamentalists throughout the 
Middle East, the Balkans, Britain  and the United States. He 
refused to name any specific  organization in the United 
States."There's a distinct minority within 
the Moslem community in the  United States that is very 
sympathetic to his cause, to his analysis  and interpretation of 
the relationship between the hub of Islam and  the penetration 
of Westernization, Western culture and the like,"  he said. "And 
a minority among this minority are known to have  crossed the 
threshold of willingness to commit terrorist acts or  commit 
violence. Many have been trained in Afghanistan, Bosnia  and 
elsewhere throughout the Moslem world, so that they are  
capable. They have the skills and capabilities to carry out an  
operation as required."Bodansky said Bin 
Laden remains in Afghanistan. He said the  Saudi is located in 
Islam Darva, about 80 kilometers northwest of  Kandahar. When he 
wants to communicate with the outside world,  he travels to 
Jalalabad, he said.  Monday, 
August 9, 1999

Re: [CTRL] SABA! Shut the F*CK UP!


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Saba wrote:

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 By their fruits you shall know them - this is a conspiracy list and he
 biggest consipiracy in the world right now is promoted by the ADL and
 Bnai Brith - a Masonic Order.

 Now let me say this - I still remember the USS Liberty and Columbine -
 oh the neo nazis did it, this long overworked word.

 Those Tall Towers represented the economy of this nation and who brought
 them down?   Kamakaze pilots?   And what was the purpose - well that is
 for others to find out.

Ashly,

Isn't it obvious that this person is deranged? Why do you bother?
No one takes her seriously.

J2


 Its all economics, Ashley - or well as they say, I may not know who you
 are but I know what you are.

 Those Tall Towers represented to this country, what - well what does
 Israel represent to us anyway - pieces of rock of no value to anyone
 other than those who follow religion.

 And that is the name of the game - it big bucks...what won't the
 Zionists do, to get at that oil - easy to program killers all you have
 to do is look at Littleton - a holocaust so quickly shoved under a rug.

 Kamakaze's ara created using drugs..we are fighting a hidden enemy -
 and I say Remember the USS Liberty.oh but that was to be forgotten.

 Diligent Seekers of the Truth ???  Want the USA to do the dirty work for
 the Zionists?   Let them do their own god damed dirty work - as Joe
 Lieberman said - hey I am okay.   We are all okayand I thought you
 piece of Zionist filth - there are now maybe 20,000 people dead - maybe
 some even Joshua's trailer trash?

 Casper Weinberger with his Woe to them..at least he tried to keep
 Pollard in prison.

 And remember this the KGB has maps of all underground tunnels in
 Washington and no doubt around the world.little red arrows to arabic
 books?   like Buford, little red arrows to neo nazi oboks?

 I have been in that pentagon - where my family served with honor yet I
 see our military being torn apart.   As for the target Bush - well
 again, paving the way to Zion - after all isn't this what masonry is all
 about like a MNASON - diligient seeker of truth.

 Screw you and your filthy talk - no doubt you have been reading too much
 in to freedom as portrayed by Zionists Larry Flynt who supports ADL with
 Marc Rich who I might add is still afraid to step foot in this country.

 Saba

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Re: [CTRL] Fiery Flying Serpent - Ishmael


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Well John, my memory on a lot of this stuff is fading as to word for
word, but over 30 years ago I found this alleged Illuminati connection
to John Wilkes Booth which was later back up by records someone gave me
in 1974 and I notice on web the words of Myron Fagan have been changed
somewhat and John F. Kennedy and I have proof now, was never a member of
the CFRso

Here is what I remember way back using my bible code I concluded the
same secret society that murdered John Fitzgerald Kennedy murdered
Abraham Lincoln - now I had a problem there, for I thought he was the
worst president in the history of this country .in 1987 think it
was, Jim Marrs who was in on movie JFK wrote to me a couple times - for
I liked the fact here was at least something on this murder - he wrote
he believed that Booth lived and escaped to Maryland - and Maryland, was
our Mother State - symbolized by love this one the Drunkards of Ephraim?
Boy those Ephramites - but their sign was a Green Fir  Tree so Hail to
the Chief.

Now in his diary and I will write the words I remember most, Booth took
the words of Ismael and said every hand would be against him.These
Black Panther idiots and Nationalists are not what they seem to be -
they hated the Kennedy, and said they would come with the heads of the
McClellan committee almost like coming with the head of John the
Baptist.

So this is a conspiracy and the names may be different, and the scenario
changed somewhat but it just plain the Red Star of Communism.

To blame the Islhamlites - why didn't they blow the hell out of Israel?

Further and this is what I believe - the craze to get the house - the
man second in command if Bush would God Forbid as these bastards say -
if something would happen to Bush, Cheney would be President and he
would no doubt die of a pierced heart while indicting a goodly matter,
like Nelson Rockefler putting in the third man - which is now a Republic
Congressman.

So in order to once again have 3 President just like in Daniel - the
Democrats need the House..and you would have a Democrat President.

Notice the heat is off Condit, Rosie, Paula and all those freaks who
play sex games while the Watchman on the Wall slept.

To say Kamikazi is a dreadful word and for information if you are
interested, add something I pulled up this mornining re the Kamikazis -
used in desperation by the Japenese.

These suicide tactics - always though Moslems could not according to
Koran suicide but then what about Persia - wasn't  Old Man in the
Mountain Persianthe beautiful Rubyait - remember the Titanic which
went down with the richest most influential people in the world aboard
returning from Upper Egypta jewelled copy of this book was aboard
and probably today would be worth millions of dollars.and if anybody
sent me a copy of this book or sant Nearer My God To Theee and I was in
range, I would hit the deck.

And everyhand would be against him, said Booth - who some said was a
Rothschld Agent?   Know this, his great great grandfather was in the old
Hells Fire Club, name of John Wilkes (Remember Ashley Wilkes in God with
the Wind)

And speaking of Gone With the Wind - kamikazi means Divine Wind..no,
no just plain old Moslem was in on this stuff it took a better brain
.

As for Kore(sh) who was he really - we know of his background, but there
is much we do not know...is all gond with the wind.

Saba

will send reference to Roosevelt promise to Zionists and Japanese who
used Kamikaze in desparation but these pilots were DRUGGED be they went
on their mission.so Littleton and their Kamikazee kids on drugs,
exposed to a movie of what was to be, and acted out the rolesin
drugged stupor - culture of death.

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[CTRL] Excellent article from ZMag

2001-09-13 Thread Fernando Sobral


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http://www.zmag.org/ZNET.htm

The End of the End of History

Jean Bricmont




Everything was going smoothly. Serbia, on its knees, had just sold Milosevic to the 
International Criminal Tribune for a fistful of dollars (most of which turned out to 
be earmarked to pay debts going back to Tito's time). NATO was expanding eastwards 
toward a powerless Russia. Saddam Hussein could be safely bombed whenever one felt 
like it. Invaded by UCK, Macedonia was obliged to accept the farce of a disarmament of 
that same UCK by the very ones who armed it in the first place. The Palestinian 
territories were under tight control while their leaders were assassinated by smart 
bombs. For the past few years, stockholders had been making record profits. The 
political left had died out and all political parties had rallied to neoliberalism and 
humanitarian interventionism. In short, as certain commentators put it, we were 
living in peace.



Then suddenly shock, surprise, horror: the greatest power of all times, the only truly 
universal empire struck in its very heart, at the center of its wealth and power. A 
unique and all-powerful electronic spying network, unparalleled security measures, a 
staggering defense budget -- none of this was of any use in preventing the catastrophe.



Let us be perfectly clear. We do not share the attitude expressed by Madeleine 
Albright when she was asked whether pursuing the embargo against Iraq was worth the 
price of half a million Iraqi children who have died: this is a very hard choice, but 
we think the price is worth it, she replied. The massacre of innocent civilians is 
never acceptable. But this does not mean we should not try to understand the 
underlying meaning of that incredible attack.



The American pacifist A. J. Muste once remarked that the problem in every war was 
posed by the winning side: the victor had learned that violence succeeded. The whole 
of postwar history illustrates the pertinence of that observation. In the United 
States, the War Department was renamed Defense Department, precisely when there was no 
direct danger threatening the country, and one government after the other launched 
campaigns of military intervention and political destabilisation in the guise of 
containing communism -- against moderately nationalist governments such as that of 
Goulart in Brazil, Mossadegh in Iran or Arbenz in Guatemala. To limit ourselves to the 
present, let us examine a few questions rarely raised concerning Western, especially 
American, policy.



- The Kyoto protocol: the principal United States objection is not on scientific 
grounds, but merely that it is bad for our economy. What are people who work 12 
hours a day for slave wages to make of such a reaction?



- The Durban conference. The West rejects the slightest thought of reparations for 
slavery and colonialism. But isn't it clear that the State of Israel functions as a 
form of reparations for anti-Semitic persecutions, except that in this case the price 
is paid by the Palestinian Arabs for the crimes committed by Europeans? And isn't it 
obvious that this shift of responsibility must be felt as a sort of racism by the 
victims of colonialism?



- Macedonia: here is a country that the West pushed into independence in order to 
weaken Serbia and whose government has always faithfully followed Western orders. As a 
result it has been subjected to attacks by terrorists armed by NATO and coming from 
territory under NATO control. How does this look to Slavic Orthodox peoples, 
especially after the expulsion, as NATO looks on, of the Serbian population of Kosovo 
and the eradication of a large part of its cultural heritage?



- Afghanistan: it is too quickly forgotten that Osama Bin Laden was trained and armed 
by the Americans, who openly admit that they were using Afghanistan to destabilize the 
USSR even before the Soviet intervention. How many people have died in the game that 
former President Carter's adviser, Zbigniew Brzezinski, calls the great chessboard? 
And how many terrorists, in Asia, in Central America, in the Balkans, or in the Middle 
East, are left to run loose after having been used by the Free World?



- Iraq: for ten years the population has been strangled by an embargo that has caused 
hundreds of thousands of deaths -- of civilian victims. All because Iraq tried to 
recover the oil wells that were de facto confiscated from them by the British. Let us 
just compare the treatment given Israel for its totally illegal occupation of 
territories conquered in 1967. Is it really likely that the notion, generally accepted 
in the West, that Saddam Hussein is to blame for everything, makes much sense in the 
Arab-Muslim world?



By pure coincidence, the September 11 attacks took place on the anniversary of the 
overthrow of Allende, which not only marked (a fact easily forgotten) the installation 
of the first neoliberal government, that of General Pinochet, but also

[CTRL] Fwd: 194410


Here is item on the Kamikazi and Roosevelt's promise to Zionists of
America.

But did he give that which was not his to give away?

Regardless, false Islam and why would Booth used words of Ismael - for
he avenged the South of the great slaughter

Remember something too by Blavatsky - it is said (according to Truman
Capote) that her words and works were used to trigger off Sirhan - that
it was her teachingsshe used to refer to White Towers but said a
country could be brought to its knees by the systematic assassination of
its leaders.

Flying serpents - wonder if Japanese Doomsayers or whatever - these
attacks do have that oriental touch and will be avenged...but September,
October and November according to Stellar's Masonic Astrology - RED STAR
rules.and I imagine the Scorpion with its sting is the flying
serpent in disguise.




http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/tenison/297/wwii/194410.htm

Re: [CTRL] Bin Laden - Some background facts


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I have reliable information that in 80 period Israelie had these neutron
bomb packs...

Will say this - none of those people over there are worth the lost of
one American over here - the kind that goes to work everyday and pays
taxes so Israel can build swimming pools while depriving children of
adequate water?

Israelis have these neutro back packs and this has been known for some
time now.

Interesting if bin Laden has them from whom did he buy them?

Saba

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[CTRL] How it works: Where was the shelter for YOU and YOUR CHILDREN????


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9/13/01

Didn't see these clowns ALL DAY. They showed up just in time for
the evening news broadcasts. These will be the pictures in history
associating them with the events of that awful day. No one will know
that they were cowering in there rabbit holes leaving the American
people clueless and exposed to unknown danger.

All hail our fearless leaders

Nurev

++
Congress reassesses its security plans

Cold War-era crisis procedures weren't much comfort to officials
fearing imminent terrorist attack
Some lawmakers suggested Tuesday's events revealed gaps in
procedures for evacuating leaders.


By John F. Harris
THE WASHINGTON POST

Sept. 13 -  The frantic evacuations of the White House and
Capitol - along with the decision to spirit some key officials by
helicopter to a fortified mountain site in Virginia - were based on
elaborate plans originally drawn up in preparation for a nuclear
attack during the Cold War and extensively revised in recent years
to reflect rising concern over terrorism, according to current and
former government officials.

 At the White House, there were panicked dashes for the gates by
most employees, after the Secret Service - apparently fearing that
the complex was at risk from an air attack - gave the order to
clear out.

 WHEN A MOMENT of genuine crisis actually arrived, however,
the response reflected desperate improvisation as much as careful
planning, some of these same officials said. On Capitol Hill some
lawmakers suggested the day revealed gaps in procedures for
evacuating leaders and getting timely information to members.
   At the White House, there were panicked dashes for the gates
by most employees, after the Secret Service - apparently fearing
that the complex was at risk from an air attack - gave the order to
clear out.
   Officials of arguably marginal importance to national
security, such as Agriculture Secretary Ann M. Veneman, were flown
to Virginia. But some specially fortified offices in the White
House were deemed safe enough for the most important officials,
like Vice President Cheney, to stay put.
   On Capitol Hill, the situation was the opposite: The most
important people were moved away with greatest dispatch. House
Speaker J. Dennis Hastert, R-Ill. - who is second in line of
presidential succession after the vice president under the
Constitution - was evacuated quickly, sometime around 10 a.m., and
flown immediately to the Virginia redoubt.
   It was not until a couple of hours later that other top
lawmakers, including Senate Majority Leader Thomas A. Daschle,
D-S.D., and House Minority Leader Richard A. Gephardt, D-Mo., who
had gone to his Capitol Hill home after the Capitol was first
evacuated, were also flown to the countryside.

SOMETHING OUT OF 'DR. STRANGELOVE'
   What followed at a large unidentified complex there was
described by some attendees as a surreal scene - something out of
Dr. Strangelove, as one person described it. Legislative leaders
who ordinarily have little but disdain for one another, such as
House Majority Whip Tom DeLay, R-Texas, and House Minority Whip
David E. Bonior, D-Mich., huddled around television sets, talking
with one another and occasionally taking calls from Cheney back at
the White House for updates on the situation.
   The ability of the president and other policymakers to
retain command and control of the military and the other levers of
government at critical moments during a crisis was a preoccupation
of the Cold War. Much less visibly, Clinton administration
officials devoted significant time to revising the rules for
evacuation and chain of command in the event of a terrorist attack.
But the fact that some important Washington figures stayed
and others left, and that there was apparently considerable
confusion on the Hill and among administration officials about what
people were supposed to do, suggests those plans were followed in
only fragmentary fashion, some officials said.
   They were calling audibles, said one former senior
government official, who had extensive involvement in national
security matters, of Tuesday's plan for protecting national
leaders.
   Much of the planning in recent years, according to
knowledgeable sources, was done in anticipation of a possible
attack using biological or chemical weapons. The particular
scenario of horror that unfolded Tuesday was not widely discussed
or anticipated.
   The White House, sources say, does have antiaircraft
artillery on its roof to shoot down aircraft steering toward the
complex. One former U.S. official said those guns might be
effective against a smaller aircraft but probably would be of much
less utility against a large commercial airliner hurtling inbound
at high speed.
   White House press secretary Ari Fleischer, defending
President Bush's decision to originally take refuge at an Air Force
base in Nebraska rather than return to

[CTRL] Fwd: LIKE THE WINGS OF A BIRD: THE MYTHS AND REALITY IN PLO-HAMAS RELATIONSHIP (Yosef Bodansky) - April 1996


Mr. Miller - Jeta of Yugoslavia sent an item with name of Yosuf
Bardansky who works as guess a consultant, not part of government but on
Task Force - and this item defines essentially, the difference between
Islam.

So many phoney Imams walking around of which even David Kore(sh) was
oneand that guy still Lives I am beginnign to believe he did get
away for this symbolism of this Fiery Flying Serpent is no coincidence.

Very nice article from Mrs. Jova and I thank her for same, but my sister
did work with an Arab Shiek once who told her the oil fields were ready
to blow if anyone tried to steal them.it is not the oil, it is the
money from the oil..corn, oil, and the vino.

Thank you for your coments and thank you again Mrs. Jova.

For easier reading you may pull up on subject matter - maybe some of
these stupid, ignorant black like this Rabbi Washington of Black House
of Israel are still around here too - for they had had some radio
shows..like saying the Pope is Jewish, is like saying those bums are
Moslems.

LIKE THE WINGS OF A BIRD
THE MYTHS AND REALITY
IN PLO-HAMAS RELATIONSHIP
By Yosef Bodansky
HAMAS's Sheikh Mahmoud Zahar on the relationship between the PLO and the
HAMAS: Like the wings of a bird, they must work together.
The series of terrorist bombs that rocked Israel in recent weeks have
again revived the basic questions: What is really happening in the
Middle East? Is true Arab-Israeli peace finally possible after
generations of war?
These are not illogical questions. It is in the course of making peace
with the PLO that Israel has been subjected to the worst wave of
terrorism in its history. It is at the time that the US claims to be
asserting prominence in the Middle East as the sole viable mediator of
Arab-Israeli disputes that the stability of pro-Western Arab states,
most notably Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Bahrain, is challenged by the
Islamists. At the same time, Washington's nemesis -- Saddam Hussein --
remains unchallengeable in Baghdad. A defiant Iran increases its
strategic influence throughout the region, including dissuading Syrian
President Hafiz al-Assad from accepting US offers for expanding the now
symbolic peace negotiations with Israel. How can Washington claim to
being to dominant superpower in the Middle East, shepherding the local
states toward peace and reconciliation, when a pariah state like Iran
repeatedly demonstrates more influence in Damascus than the US?
Indeed, the strategic dynamics in the Middle East is completely
different than the rosy new Middle East presented by the Clinton
Administration and the Peres Government. Significantly, it is the
existence of this new Middle East that is at the heart of the peace
process logic.
The real dominant trend in the Middle East is Islamist revivalism. The
population at large has given up on the whole process of Westernization,
let alone reconciliation with Israel. The radicalization of the Muslim
World is an indigenous grass-roots phenomena, driven and fueled by the
economic misery and destitute, arbitrary political oppression by a range
of despots, and overall loss of hope. This plight is transformed into a
political-military force by the terrorism sponsoring states -- Iran,
Syria, Sudan, and Pakistan.
Although ideologically driven, these terrorism sponsoring states are
also calculating and pragmatic. Under Tehran's undisputed leadership
they pursue realistic strategy that is built on their presumption of a
fateful struggle against the West and the process of Westernization.
Significantly, this struggle is against the US -- the Great Satan. In
the Islamists' vocabulary Israel is only an instrument of the American
onslaught on Islam -- the illegitimate offspring of the Great Satan.
Israel's destruction is only a major milestone on the road to a
successful Islamist revolution -- an objective of crucial importance but
not the end of the struggle.
The near term objective of the terrorism sponsoring states is to
consolidate Islamist hegemony over the entire Hub of Islam -- from
Morocco to India, from Central Asia to Central Africa. Eliminating
Israel is but a component -- albeit a very important one. Presently,
with Saudi Arabia and Egypt under a mounting Islamist threat, Tehran and
its allies see a historical window of opportunity to surge and expand
their hold over the hub of Islam.
This strategic surge is conducted under the rallying cry Islam is the
solution! -- an all encompassing hope for a swift and divine solution
to the plight and misery of a population that had long given up on the
ability of the existing Arab states to provide them with hope and a
future. The myriad of social services and charitable work provided by
the various Islamist organizations serve as a proof that the daily lot
of the population will indeed improve in the Islamic State advocated by
the Islamists.
The Islamist terrorism and subversion complement the Islamist reach.
Terrorism is the primary and most effective instrument of the

Re: [CTRL] Chomsky And Cockburn St.Clair On Yesterday's Events And The Future

2001-09-13 Thread Gavin Philips


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Maybe he's referring to the amount of people who died
as a result of shortage of drugs supplied by that
factory? I don't know where he comes up with the tens
of thousands figure though. Gavin.


--- Amelia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 What is Chomsky talking about tens of thousands
 killed in the Sudan
 by Clinton's bombing the drug/bio factory?  Amnesty
 International
 lists the count as 1 and news reports 11.  Is this
 to minimize our
 loss and trivialize it?
 ~Amelia~

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 Subject: [CTRL] Chomsky And Cockburn  St.Clair On
 Yesterday's
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 http://www.counterpunch.org/



 September 12, 2001


 A Quick Reaction

 By Noam Chomsky

 The September 11 attacks were major atrocities. In
 terms of number
 of victims
 they do not reach the level of many others, for
 example, Clinton's
 bombing of
 the Sudan with no credible pretext, destroying half
 its
 pharmaceutical
 supplies and probably killing tens of thousands of
 people (no one
 knows,
 because the US blocked an inquiry at the UN and no
 one cares to
 pursue it).
 Not to speak of much worse cases, which easily come
 to mind. But
 that this
 was a horrendous crime is not in doubt.

















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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: LIKE THE WINGS OF A BIRD: THE MYTHS AND REALITY IN PLO-HAMAS RELATIONSHIP (Yosef Bodansky) - April 1996


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Just noted at the bottom of this article this is some stuff propaganda
put out by - well bottom of page lined with Star of David flags, so
assume it cannot be that objective.

Have not read all of this -  but there are Egyptian Jews and Arab Jews
and Irish Jews and American Jews and I imagine even Chinese Jews.

I want no part of any of this bunch of religious fanatics using the
bible to get the gold and oil and drugs ...

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[CTRL] Gen. Singlaub: Prepare for Biological, Chemical Attacks


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  Gen. Singlaub: Prepare for Biological, Chemical Attacks

This is war mongering through scare tactics. This oinker is a supreme fascist.
He was a cog in Iran/Contra and as much a war criminal as Elliot Abrams.

His job in the Reagan administration was to get private backing from rich
fascists for the wars in Latin America. It was necessary to do this because
the Congress cut funding for these wars. This was a way around it.

They have brought out all the shits with which to hit the fan.

We, the American people are being primed for Global War by the Globalist
Elites who are exploiting the justified outrage of the American people and
the compassionate peoples of the world, for the mass mureders in New York
and Washington.

This is an intentional manipulation. The buz-words are some variation of the
phrase  Clash of Civilizations  the fallback blueprint of the New World
Order. It's the backup because the primary plan of Economic Globalization
is disintegrating before our eyes. The great and glorious Global Economy is
crashing.

When a capitalist economy fails, watch out! It's time for war.

THIS IS A FIRST! The government has declared war WITHOUT EVEN NAMING THE ENEMY!

Keep this post. Watch the news.

j2

 Thursday, September 13, 2001
 Gen. Jack Singlaub, the former U.S. supreme commander of all U.S.
 forces in Korea, told NewsMax that additional, more significant
 attacks against the U.S. could take place in the next several
 weeks.
 He warned that an escalation of terror - which might follow such an
 elaborate scheme as we have already seen unfold - might include the
 use of chemical or biological weapons of mass destruction.

 General Singlaub said that he shared the views of NewsMax national
 security consultant, Col. Stanislav Lunev, who has also issued a
 similar warning.

 This is my view, he said, There is a possibility of a biological
 or chemical attack.

 The view that additional attacks are likely is shared by the U.S.
 government.

 Fox News reported last evening that lawmakers were told in
 classified briefings that additional attacks are 'possible if not
 probable' and they should not assume a false sense of security.
 This message has been conveyed with a very deliberate and serious
 level of magnitude.

 This is really war, Gen. Singlaub told NewsMax.com. Singlaub
 himself witnessed the fireball explosion at the Pentagon, he lives
 just a quarter-mile from the military complex.

 His analysis follows, with direct quotes in bold:

 1. Go beyond the terrorists.

 This time we need to strike not only at the terrorists, but the
 countries that give them safe harbor, that finance them, that
 provide them sanctuary.

 2. Russia and China

 We need to remember that Russia and China continue to be in
 alliances with many of the nations that are supporting these
 terrorists.

 3. President Clinton is largely responsible for this disaster.

 He decimated U.S. forces. He helped the very nations seeking to
 harm us, Russia and China. He claimed they were strategic partners.
 Russia and China have been backing these terrorist countries like
 Iraq.

 What Clinton did was get the good people out of these agencies,
 the intelligence agencies. They either quit or were fired. The
 people who supported Clinton stayed or were promoted.

 Look at the case of Notra Trulock [former head of nuclear weapons
 security at the Dept. of Energy]. He was fired because he
 complained about the lack of security. The people who agreed with
 Clinton and helped produce this current situation are still running
 these agencies in the U.S. government.

 Clinton policies also feminized the military. The promotion of
 feminization and homosexuality not only ruins morale, but to the
 rest of the world, our enemies look at that and think we are weak.

 4. Don't tar Muslims.

 This is very similar to 1941, after Pearl Harbor, when the loyalty
 of Japanese were questioned. As it turned out the Japanese-American
 were fiercely loyal. There are many good Arabs and Muslims in
 America. These are good Americans. Many, if not most of the Arab
 countries have been good allies of the United States. We should not
 harm a lot of our good allies.

 5. Missile defense is urgently needed.

 These defenses are needed for two different threats. First, from
 the threat of ballistic missiles, ICBMs, which still continue to
 threaten us. Second, we need theatre missile defense. We need also
 an expanded homeland defense. This might include upgrading the
 National Guard and expanding the Coast Guard.Read more on this
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Re: [CTRL] Admiral Moorer Clinton Policies Led to Disaster

2001-09-13 Thread tnohava


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Forgot your medication today, huh.


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 tnohava wrote:

 This is all bullshit. Moorer is CFR military hack.

 J2

 
   http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/9/12/121348.shtml
 
  Admiral Moorer: Clinton Policies Led to Disaster
  NewsMax.com
  Wednesday, September 12, 2001
 
  The catastrophe that struck America was the result of a decade
 of military
  cuts and the undermining of U.S. intelligence agencies, Admiral
 Thomas H.
  Moorer told NewsMax.com
 
  Admiral Moorer served as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff,
 the nations
  highest-ranking military official, and brought the Vietnam war to a
  conclusion. He has served in three major wars.
 
  Yesterdays events brought back memories of Pearl Harbor, he
 said. Admiral
  Moorer, then a naval aviator, was present at Pearl Harbor on December 7,
  1941.
 
  Admiral Moorer made the following analysis to NewsMax, his quotes are in
  bold:
 
  1. The Clinton administration had a similar view to
 intelligence agencies as
  the Carter administration. They didnt like using spies. This
 is why we had
  no warning.
 
  You absolutely need spies, you need them to melt into a
 society and tell
  you what is going on, you cant rely on satellites and
 technology alone.
 
  2. The actions taken yesterday were the result of perceived
 weakness of U.S.
  armed forces.
 
  President Clinton brought the military down and down. He made
 the military
  like it was before Pearl Harbor.
 
  3. The U.S. must significantly increase its use of human
 intelligence, that
  is spies on the ground in foreign countries.
 
  4. America must remain vigilant.
 
  This is like what Yamamoto said after Pearl Harbor, A
 sleeping tiger has
  been aroused. We cant just strike back and go back to sleep.
 Next time the
  attack could be even more serious.
 
  5. Soon terrorist groups will have access to nuclear weapons.
 
  This is inevitable. Countries like Russia and China are
 providing countries
  like Pakistan, Iraq and Iran with this technology  the same technology
  Clinton gave to the Chinese.
 
  6. Missile defense is needed now.
 
  The media is dead wrong when it says this proves we dont need missile
  defense. Soon, the same counties that supported these
 terrorists that just
  attacked us will have missiles capable of hitting the U.S. We
 need to defend
  against their use.
 
  7. No additional attacks for the immediate future.
 
  I believe they reached the limits of their capabilities with
 these attacks.
  But they will try again later. They want nuclear weapons.
 
 
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Re: [CTRL] Secondary Explosions was Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] FTW Subscriber Bulletin

2001-09-13 Thread Samantha L.


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In a message dated 9/13/01 12:21:41 AM Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 A stunning report from the respected military and intelligence report
  Stratfor (www.stratfor.com) has officially raised the question that many
who
  watched the Trade Center towers collapse vertically, have been asking about
  secondary explosions and the likelihood that charges had been physically
  placed within the buildings before the attacks. In a bulletin yesterday
  Stratfor wrote:

  Mounting an attack of this sort is not simple. In the case of the World
  Trade Center, the collapse of the towers indicates massive delayed
  explosions. This means either the planes were loaded with explosives or
that
  massive explosive charges were planted in the buildings to go off later.
  This is supposition, but a secondary explosion is a necessary factor for
  explaining the collapse.

  Amazing - thanks for this info.

Samantha

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [AL-AWDA-News] Arafat Donates Blood for U.S. VictimsPhotos

In a message dated 9/12/01 9:48:46 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Nah. This isn't Hollywood. This is real life. Why would anybody think that
the people who murdered tens of thousands of people in NY and Washington
are " bad guys?" Bill Shannon doesn't think so. He knows who the real bad
guys are.

Don't try to tell me what I think Zev ol' boy...I think that the people who pulled off this monumental action are scumbags and assholes.
I also think the reason these sociopaths felt compelled to carry this out ought to also be examined.
Clearly I believe our totally insane and misguided aid and assistance to the occupiers of Palestine also must be rethought and hopefully dropped.

Bill.

[CTRL] Why some chose to leap from World Trade Center


-Caveat Lector-

  A man falls headfirst after jumping from the north tower of the
World Trade Center.

A death better than fate's

Why some chose to leap
from World Trade Center

By Gene Weingarten
and David Von Drehle
THE WASHINGTON POST
   Sept. 13 -  A couple stepped out in tandem, holding hands.
One man went headfirst, captured freeze-frame on film, arms loosely
at his side, one leg akimbo in a graceful passé. A woman jumped
while primly clutching her handbag, as though she might have to
hail a cab when she alighted.Among the most heartbreaking images in
a day of haunting imagery were the dozen or more people who took
stock of where they were and what was happening to them, and leapt.
Some were on fire. Most were not.

 'It is taking charge of a situation rather than letting the
situation take charge of you.'
- RONALD MARIS
forensic suicide expert  WHY JUMP from the 90th floor of a
burning building, to certain death?
   Possibly because they could.
   In a way, it was a healthy response, says Ronald Maris, a
forensic suicide expert and director of the Center for the Study of
Suicide at the University of South Carolina. It is taking charge
of a situation rather than letting the situation take charge of
you. The primary motive of all suicides is escape. What are they
fleeing from? In this case, they have escaped from terrible
thoughts of being crushed to death, or burned to death, by
annihilating their consciousness in a way that is nearly
instantaneous.
   In the 1911 Triangle Shirtwaist factory fire in New York
City, more than 50 people jumped to their deaths from the ninth
floor. The year before, nearly 20 people leaped from a burning
tenement in Newark, N.J. In each case, some people survived, or
survived long enough, to explain why theyhad chosen the window.
Several said it was to make sure their bodies would be identified,
and not incinerated beyond recognition.

'ISSUE OF CONTROL'
   It's an issue of control, says Lanny Berman, executive
director of the American Association of Suicidology. All people
want to have some control over their lives, and that includes the
nature and timing of their deaths. The notion of having death
happen to you is less viable than being in charge of it.
   According to Maris, there have been cases of people about to
jump off the Golden Gate Bridge when a police officer pulls up and
says, Get down or I'll shoot. Usually, the jumper gets down. He
may want to die, but he wants to control how.
   In this case, the issue of control may simply be choosing
the less odious of terrible alternatives. Psychologically, there's
no competition.
 Says Berman: People who have jumped from the Golden Gate
Bridge, and survived, report that the fall was experienced as
almost transcendent, that it went in slow motion, that the
experience was almost mystical.
   Maris says he can understand how the Trade Center victims
must have felt, standing at the window. On one side of them was
unbearable heat, and roaring flames, and acrid smoke, and screams
of the suffering. On the other side, fresh air.
   Many years ago, I sat on a window on the 34th floor of a
building in San Francisco with this 16-year-old kid who was
thinking of jumping. We looked out, and it was very romantic, we
could see the bay, we could see cumulus clouds. It was all
beautiful, and jumping, well, it would seem a little like flying.
  It is unlikely that at the moment of their decision, any
of the jumpers saw beauty in their plight. Their decision may have
been an effort to seek control, or to choose the better of two
awful alternatives. Most likely, says Calvin Frederick, former UCLA
psychiatry professor and an expert on traumatic stress, the choice
was unconscious, impulsive, a reflex more than a decision.

'ANIMAL RESPONSE'
   There's smoke, there's a fear of horrific pain, it's
imminent, Frederick says. You can't breathe, and here is an
escape. Your response is very primitive. An animal response. You
become a human animal at that point, and an animal will flee.
   Years ago, Frederick says, a colleague of his set up an
experiment where he subjected laboratory animals to excruciating
pain. They could go into another chamber to escape the pain, but if
they did they would get their heads chopped off. Other lab animals
were allowed to observe this, so they knew what would happen. They
they, too, were placed in the pain chamber. They leaped out of it,
into the killing one.
   The urge to escape the pain, said Frederick, overrode
everything else.
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[CTRL] Fwd: Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee Says : Mossad Had A Hand In This ; ...






Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee Says
Mossad Had A Hand In This

9/12/01 1:24:12 PM
ADC Press Release

Washington, DC -- From: Ghassan AbulGhanam
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:02 AM
Subject: Attacks on Washington, N.Y.

Dear ADCers and Friends,

As we woke up today to the tragic news of three plane crashes into N.Y.C
and
Washington, please allow me to share with you the following points that
are an
early statement of ADC Fresno:

1. We have been, for a long time, trying as Arab-Americans to bring to the
attention of the American people the atrocities being committed around the
world, using American weapons subsidized by our tax money, as is the case
with
Israel. Israel has been receiving in excess of $10 Million a DAY in aid,
mostly
in the form of guns and warplanes being used to terrorize the civilian
population of Palestine. We have repeatedly warned that such policy will
eventually bring the U.S. into this conflict as a direct party. The
decision by
successive U.S. administrations to ignore such atrocities, and the
arrogance
with which this administration has dealt with the issue only expedited
this
eventual confrontation. We have said it before, the children of Palestine
are
are left with no hope other than war against those gunning them down, and
those
supplying them with the means to do so. Violence begets violence! What do
you
expect when you wage war against a people that have done you no harm..?!

2. Regardless of early indications of responsibility, this has the
appearance
of a well-orchestrated attack on a global level. Whereas I would like to
believe that Ben Laden (mentioned as a possible suspect already) is
capable of
logistically masterminding such an operation, I would not discount the
prospect
of the Mossad having a hand in this. Worldwide, public opinion has been
steadily moving away from support of Israel, and has started seeing the
Palestinians as the victims they are, in spite of substantial P.R.
campaigns
waged by Israel. This could very well be (another) attempt by Israel to
demonize Arabs and Muslims, and to bringing them to a direct military
confrontation with the U.S. The hope would be to turn public opinion
around,
enabling the current vicious Israeli government to quench Sharon's thirst
for
blood with a free hand and even more overt U.S. support. This should quiet
down
the criticism of the American people towards their governments collusion
with
Israel against Palestinian civilians..., so goes the theory. The Mossad
has
performed similar acts in the past, as has been documented by its own
(Victor
Ostrovsky- By Way of Deception), and I wouldn't be surprised if they had a
hand
in this one as well!

Arab-Americans, in general, and Fresno area ADC members express their
deepest
sympathies and condolences to the victims of this attack and their
families.
Blood shed, on either side, is not something we stomach, and we condemn
this
attack, as well as the daily attacks against Palestinians in the occupied
territories. We take this opportunity to call on all parties, again, to
stop
the cycle of violence that has spread beyond the immediate borders, as has
been
expected. We call upon the United States government to exercise its global
responsibility by playing the role of moderator and bringing the parties
to the
negotiation table.

Ghassan AbulGhanam

President



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[CTRL] Fwd: [Fwd: Explosives Planted in Towers, NM Expert Says]







FROM A PAL
My son who produces the morning news on the local ABC station told me
Tuesday when he got home that in the first raw footage after the plane
hit
the first tower, it was stated that there was a bomb in the lower floor.
Since then, there has been no mention of it (surprise, surprise).  Even
HE,
the skeptic, has noticed that.  Apparently, the implosion hasn't gone
unnoticed by some outside the loop experts...

http://www.abqjournal.com/aqvan09-11-01.htm

September 11, 2001



Explosives Planted In Towers, N.M. Tech Expert Says

By Olivier Uyttebrouck
Journal Staff Writer
Televised images of the attacks on the World Trade Center suggest
that
explosives devices caused the collapse of both towers, a New Mexico Tech
explosion expert said Tuesday.
The collapse of the buildings appears too methodical to be a
chance
result of airplanes colliding with the structures, said Van Romero, vice
president for research at New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology.
My opinion is, based on the videotapes, that after the airplanes
hit
the World Trade Center there were some explosive devices inside the
buildings that caused the towers to collapse, Romero said.
Romero is a former director of the Energetic Materials Research and
Testing Center at Tech, which studies explosive materials and the
effects
of explosions on buildings, aircraft and other structures.
Romero said he based his opinion on video aired on national
television
broadcasts.
Romero said the collapse of the structures resembled those of
controlled implosions used to demolish old structures.
It would be difficult for something from the plane to trigger an
event
like that, Romero said in a phone interview from Washington, D.C.
Romero said he and another Tech administrator were on a
Washington-area
subway when an airplane struck the Pentagon.
He said he and Denny Peterson, vice president for administration and
finance, were en route to an office building near the Pentagon to
discuss
defense-funded research programs at Tech.
If explosions did cause the towers to collapse, the detonations
could
have been caused by a small amount of explosive, he said.
It could have been a relatively small amount of explosives placed
in
strategic points, Romero said. The explosives likely would have been
put
in more than two points in each of the towers, he said.
The detonation of bombs within the towers is consistent with a
common
terrorist strategy, Romero said.
One of the things terrorist events are noted for is a diversionary
attack and secondary device, Romero said.
Attackers detonate an initial, diversionary explosion that attracts
emergency personnel to the scene, then detonate a second explosion, he
said.
Romero said that if his scenario is correct, the diversionary attack
would have been the collision of the planes into the towers.
Tech President Dan Lopez said Tuesday that Tech had not been asked
to
take part in the investigation into the attacks. Tech often assists in
forensic investigations into terrorist attacks, often by setting off
similar explosions and studying the effects.

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[CTRL] Fwd: HoffmanWire: Elevator Ride Down Twin Towers of Inferno

Title: HoffmanWire: Elevator Ride Down Twin Towers of Inferno

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An Elevator Ride Down the Twin Towers of Inferno

by Michael A. Hoffman II

The six pointed star (Jewry's capital after Jerusalem, New York City), and the five-pointed star (Masonry's military capital, Arlington's five sided Pentagon), were shown to be symbolically and literally weak on Sept. 11, utilizing an image straight from the Tarot cards. Neither the government of the Third Reich, nor of the Emperor Hirohito, ever managed to inflict so punishing a blow on the American mainland.

Nonetheless, the rush to judgement indicting Afghanistan (but not, note bene, nuclear-tipped Pakistan, the Taliban's well known ally), presupposes that the US government was not aware of the terrorists' plans (even though the Feds penetrated their cell-phone communications immediately afterward). It also presupposes that the US government was not directing the operation, as it directed the 1993 World Trade Center bombing (the FBI furnished the fuse).

Yesterday, the media/government planted in our minds the notion that Camp David was a target. Today, Sept. 12, that is gone with the wind and press secretary Ari Fleischer says it was Air Force One and the White House that were the intended targets (in other words, a Boeing 767 is going to outmaneuver Falcon F-16 fighters and crash mid-air into Air Force One).

Today, Dan Rather queried the Israeli ambassador, Some will say that the attack was a payback for 50 years of American support for Israel. The Ambassador replied, This has nothing to do with the Middle East.

While parasitic gas stations and oil companies raised fuel prices as high as $4 a gallon, the TV media had no critical comment. The We're all in this together tone was maintained at all costs. All five network anchors spoke in reverent, hushed tones when some top bureaucrat made a statement to the public. That was the head of the FBI whispered an awe-struck Peter Jennings in a voice usually reserved for a saint or a miracle worker.

Since the American people are becoming clones of the Israelis, they are becoming as delusional as the Israelis. They are rallying around the US government, but the US government is the reason New York and Washington were attacked--due to the Federal government's naked, partisan bias toward Zionism, and financial support for the 1982 carpet bombing of Beirut, the routine dispossession, assassination and child-murder of Palestinians, and the carpet bombing of Baghdad.

The events of Sept. 11 are not going to lead to any World War Three. Why is this World War reflex-mantra always on the lips of right-wingers? A world war implies an amalgamation of axis powers united to destroy America. Osama Bin Laden is a goatherd in the mountains of one of the five or six poorest and most destitute nations on earth. Even nuclear-armed Pakistan, with its 1951 vintage plutonium-technology, wouldn't stand a chance against Uncle Sam. Only the Chinese and Russians could credibly challenge the US in a world war, and they are officially described as our allies. So with whom is this Third World War to be fought? Saudi goatherds?

The media do have one thing right: Sept. 11 does change America forever. Goodbye freedom and innocence. Our people are emulating the Israelis, a land scourged by blood and fire, thanks to the intransigent racism of the Talmudic imperialists, be they Likud or Labour. Therefore we are headed for a good dose of the Zionist clap--carte blanche budgets for Big Government and all-seeing surveillance by Big Brother, the better to protect us. Thus saith the Committee of Public Safety. Our homegrown Robespierres are eager to protect our freedom with tyranny.

Ours is the very government whose actions have created the catastrophe in the first place, assuming that this is not another Arlington Road scenario, another Oklahoma City, where McVeigh was caught the first day with bad license plates. Already we have Arabic language flight manuals and Korans turning up in the perpetrators' vehicles. How thoughtful of them!

The American people step ever deeper into a Jewish pressure cooker. They scream for retaliation, barely concealing their Trumanesque desire to fry some enemy women and children, oblivious to the fact that the people who pilot airliners into US skyscrapers have learned their ethics from us. The teen-aged Columbine killers cited the collateral (i.e. civilian) damage the US inflicted in Kosovo and Belgrade, as part of the inspiration for their own mass murder

Re: [CTRL] Secondary Explosions was Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] FTW Subscriber Bulletin

2001-09-13 Thread Peter Searle

don't you think that the shear heat from the tonnes of burning fuel would weaken a steel structure.

[CTRL] How it works: Where was the shelter for YOU and YOUR CHILDREN????


-Caveat Lector-

Listening to the major mediawhores, one would almost think they
were foreign agents, broadcasting to their other cell members.
Brian Williams was careful to tell how to identify members of
congress by their badges on their left lapel pockets after the
Capitol was evacuated today.  All channels gleefully reported that
Dick Cheney was moved to Camp David for security purposes.
Williams also loves to bring up the software showing aircraft in
flight and points out the heavy traffic around Atlanta.  He rambles
on about that being the busiest airport in the country, etc.

Now of course, this information can be fairly easily found but why
sit around blathering on about it?  Why remind people who may be
contemplating further action?  Why not just say Cheney was removed
to a non-disclosed location?  Why does everybody in the entire
world need to know the minute to minute location of all the leaders
of this country?  Those critical of Bush for following the
recommended procedure immediately following the attack and labeling
this as cowardly defy logic in their utter stupidity.

I have nothing but contempt for those behaving in the manner and
showing their disloyalty for the country at a time such as this.
We have never been here before.  It will call for behavior unlike
what is routine for us.  I think we need to wait and see and hold
our nastiness if we are too thick to understand what is happening.
~Amelia~

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From: Nurev Ind. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 5:33 PM
Subject: [CTRL] How it works: Where was the shelter for YOU and
YOUR CHILDREN


-Caveat Lector-

9/13/01

Didn't see these clowns ALL DAY. They showed up just in time for
the evening news broadcasts. These will be the pictures in history
associating them with the events of that awful day. No one will
know
that they were cowering in there rabbit holes leaving the American
people clueless and exposed to unknown danger.

All hail our fearless leaders

Nurev

++
Congress reassesses its security plans

Cold War-era crisis procedures weren't much comfort to officials
fearing imminent terrorist attack
Some lawmakers suggested Tuesday's events revealed gaps in
procedures for evacuating leaders.


By John F. Harris
THE WASHINGTON POST

Sept. 13 -  The frantic evacuations of the White House and
Capitol - along with the decision to spirit some key officials by
helicopter to a fortified mountain site in Virginia - were based on
elaborate plans originally drawn up in preparation for a nuclear
attack during the Cold War and extensively revised in recent years
to reflect rising concern over terrorism, according to current and
former government officials.

 At the White House, there were panicked dashes for the gates by
most employees, after the Secret Service - apparently fearing that
the complex was at risk from an air attack - gave the order to
clear out.

 WHEN A MOMENT of genuine crisis actually arrived, however,
the response reflected desperate improvisation as much as careful
planning, some of these same officials said. On Capitol Hill some
lawmakers suggested the day revealed gaps in procedures for
evacuating leaders and getting timely information to members.
   At the White House, there were panicked dashes for the gates
by most employees, after the Secret Service - apparently fearing
that the complex was at risk from an air attack - gave the order to
clear out.
   Officials of arguably marginal importance to national
security, such as Agriculture Secretary Ann M. Veneman, were flown
to Virginia. But some specially fortified offices in the White
House were deemed safe enough for the most important officials,
like Vice President Cheney, to stay put.
   On Capitol Hill, the situation was the opposite: The most
important people were moved away with greatest dispatch. House
Speaker J. Dennis Hastert, R-Ill. - who is second in line of
presidential succession after the vice president under the
Constitution - was evacuated quickly, sometime around 10 a.m., and
flown immediately to the Virginia redoubt.
   It was not until a couple of hours later that other top
lawmakers, including Senate Majority Leader Thomas A. Daschle,
D-S.D., and House Minority Leader Richard A. Gephardt, D-Mo., who
had gone to his Capitol Hill home after the Capitol was first
evacuated, were also flown to the countryside.

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [Fwd: Explosives Planted in Towers, NM Expert Says]

2001-09-13 Thread Peter Searle

all the footage I saw looked like the part of each tower above the impact point finaly gave way after the initial weakening then the sustained heat from the firesonce that weight starts to fall, it'll hammer down the rest...

Re: [CTRL] Terror At Home- The Price Of Hegemony

In a message dated 9/13/01 2:34:46 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Dear God, Bill! Quit eating Colleen out for one second and listen to your
own pathetitc rantings! Do you honestly blame Israel for this horror? 

M...a little old for me though I am a cunning linguist with the right partner!

I blame US support of terrorist Israel for this, yes.

You
are such a dumb ASS

Personal attacks...a no-no!

You have been cheering for these arab extremists for so
long you can't even stand to see the truth! When did you become such a
brainwashed idiot-savant? 

Where have I ever cheered for Arab extremists?
I think this act was a cowardly and cold-blooded action and I deplore it.

Yeah, that would be such a great
idea to let Israel sink and lose our only port in the storm of arab hatred.
Their hatred goes back a little further than our support for Israel. Remeber
the Gulf War? Well, they haven't! Get your priorities staight!

Very simplistic Ash...I know you can do better.

Bill.

Re: [CTRL] Terror At Home- The Price Of Hegemony

In a message dated 9/13/01 6:15:25 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Big talk for a terrorist sympathizer Billy.
Who are you fronting for these days?
The Arab Student Pilot's Association?

Hmmm, making up shit now eh Zev?
I front for nobody and only offer my two cents, sentiments that are shared by the many but aren't oft voiced due to the fear of the real terrorist ADL and the rest of the Amen Corner.

Bill.

[CTRL] Fwd: FC: Congress considers encryption restrictions in response to attacks








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   Congress Mulls Stiff Crypto Laws
   By Declan McCullagh ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
   1:45 p.m. Sep. 13, 2001 PDT

   WASHINGTON -- The encryption wars have begun.

   For nearly a decade, privacy mavens have been worrying that a
   terrorist attack could prompt Congress to ban
   communications-scrambling products that frustrate both police wiretaps
   and U.S. intelligence agencies.

   Tuesday's catastrophe, which shed more blood on American soil than any
   event since the Civil War, appears to have started that process.

   Some politicians and defense hawks are warning that extremists such as
   Osama bin Laden, who U.S. officials say is a crypto-aficionado and the
   top suspect in Tuesday's attacks, enjoy unfettered access to
   privacy-protecting software and hardware that render their
   communications unintelligible to eavesdroppers.

   In a floor speech on Thursday, Sen. Judd Gregg (R-New Hampshire)
   called for a global prohibition on encryption products without
   backdoors for government surveillance.

   This is something that we need international cooperation on and we
   need to have movement on in order to get the information that allows
   us to anticipate and prevent what occurred in New York and in
   Washington, Gregg said, according to a copy of his remarks that an
   aide provided.

   President Clinton appointed an ambassador-rank official, David Aaron,
   to try this approach, but eventually the administration abandoned the
   project.

   Gregg said encryption makers have as much at risk as we have at risk
   as a nation, and they should understand that as a matter of
   citizenship, they have an obligation to include decryption methods
   for government agents. Gregg, who previously headed the appropriations
   committee overseeing the Justice Department, said that such access
   would only take place with court oversight.

   [...]

   Frank Gaffney of the Center for Security Policy, a hawkish think tank
   that has won accolades from all recent Republican presidents, says
   that this week's terrorist attacks demonstrate the government must be
   able to penetrate communications it intercepts.

   I'm certainly of the view that we need to let the U.S. government
   have access to encrypted material under appropriate circumstances and
   regulations, says Gaffney, an assistant secretary of defense under
   President Reagan.

   [...]



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[CTRL] What Must America Do Now (fwd)


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Terrorists have been at war with the United States for years, and we have
sent them a clear, consistent message: We will not fight back. Through our
actions, we have assured the terrorists, and the governments that sponsor
them, that they will escape retribution. That message was received and
acted upon.

That message must now be decisively reversed.




What Must America Do Now
by Robert W. Tracinski (September 14, 2001)
[CAPITALISMMAGAZINE.COM]

http://capitalismmagazine.com/2001/september/rwt_what.htm

It is worse than Pearl Harbor. Our enemies have attacked, not a military
base far out in the Pacific, but the very center of our civilization: our
nation's political capital in Washington and its commercial capital in New
York City. The scope of these attacks is not yet clear, but it is estimated
that tens of thousands of Americans-most of them civilians-have been
murdered.

This is not the act of a few isolated terrorists. An attack of this size
and scope, an attack carefully timed and coordinated across the country, is
the product of a large organization that can only operate with the support
and protection of a foreign government. This is not a mere criminal act. It
is an act of war.

These terrorist have not awakened a sleeping giant. They have attacked a
complacent giant, a giant who refused to see, until it was too late, the
disastrous consequences of his policies of restraint and appeasement.
American were seduced by those who advocated a measured response and
pinprick strikes against terrorists and the countries that support them. We
allowed our judgment to be blunted by those who tell us that it is wrong
ever to pronounce moral judgment, by those who say that one man's terrorist
is another man's freedom fighter. We cringed before unfavorable world
opinion as if that were the worst thing we had to fear.

When terrorists bombed the World Trade Center the first time, we rounded up
a few of the conspirators and put them on trial-while we left the terrorist
leaders and their sponsors untouched. When they bombed our embassies in
Africa, killing hundreds, we sent off a few Tomahawk missiles, scaling back
our attack to avoid any civilian casualties. When they bombed the USS
Cole-less than a year ago-we did nothing. And for the past year, as Israel
has been under relentless assault by Palestinian terrorists, we urged
restraint and demanded that they negotiate with the leader who unleashed
those attacks.

Terrorists have been at war with the United States for years, and we have
sent them a clear, consistent message: We will not fight back. Through our
actions, we have assured the terrorists, and the governments that sponsor
them, that they will escape retribution. That message was received and
acted upon.

That message must now be decisively reversed.

Everyone is saying that the response to these attacks must be swift and
severe, but no one has been specific. Here is what we must do: We must
recognize that, since 8:50 AM on the morning of September 11, a state of
war has existed between the United States and the countries who sponsor,
support, and harbor terrorists. We already know who these countries are:
they include Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Sudan, Libya.

I must stress that all of these nations are responsible for this act of
war. It does not matter which one of them had a direct role in today's
attacks. The fact is that they supported the terrorists who have launched
previous attacks, who have promised to attack the US repeatedly-and who may
do so again tomorrow. In 1941, when the United States was attacked by
Japan, it declared war on all of the Axis powers, recognizing that they
were all accomplices in the same threat. In the same way, we should now
declare war on every country that has supported and harbored anti-American
terrorists.

There has been a great deal of talk in the past few years about the heroism
of the men who fought World War II. Theirs, we have been reminded, was a
battle for freedom against tyranny, and on it depended the fate of the
world. Today, we face a battle of civilization against barbarism, and as we
have just seen, it is a battle on which our very survival depends. As
Franklin Roosevelt declared to Congress sixty years ago, we must ensure
that we will not only defend ourselves to the uttermost but will make it
very certain that this form of treachery shall never again endanger us.

Pearl Harbor has just happened, again. Let us make very certain that we
rise to this challenge as we rose to that one.




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[CTRL] Report: FBI Ignored French Warning on Extremis


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Story Filed: Thursday, September 13, 2001 4:48 AM EST
PARIS (Reuters) - The FBI arrested an Islamic militant in Boston last month
and received French intelligence reports linking him to Saudi-born dissident
Osama bin Laden but apparently did not act on them, a French radio station
said on Thursday.
Europe 1 radio reported that U.S. police arrested a man with dual French and
Algerian nationality who had several passports, technical information on
Boeing aircraft and flight manuals.
The man had been taking flying lessons, it added.
Asked for information by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, French security
services provided a dossier clearly identifying him as an Islamic militant
working with bin Laden.
``He has a pedigree as long as your arm, an investigator said,'' the radio
reported. ``He belongs to the Pakistani-Afghan network that trains Osama bin
Laden's soldiers.''
Bin Laden, who is Afghan-based, is the prime suspected mastermind behind
Tuesday's devastating plane attacks on New York and Washington. Two of the
four commercial airliners hijacked in the suicide operation took off from
Boston.
Many Algerian militants fought against Soviet troops in Afghanistan in the
1980s and have since used their military background for guerrilla attacks in
Algeria, France and other countries, intelligence sources say.
French officials could not immediately confirm the Europe 1 report.
It said the man, who is in jail but has refused to cooperate with
investigators, was a ``soldier without borders'' who had made several trips
to potential hotspots around the world in recent months.
``He has the profile of someone who could prepare or lead terrorist
operations,'' it said.
``This information was transmitted by French security services to the FBI but
apparently got lost in the enormous American police machinery,'' it added.
``The inquiry that might have been able to avoid everything was not started.
There was no special alert transmitted to airport authorities in the U.S.,''
it concluded.
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Re: [CTRL] Effects of Causes


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Tenorlove wrote:

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  Right now Americans are worried about their dollars. The US economy
  is in the doldrums. Afraid to say the word ârecessionâ, a
  struggle continues as the budget surplus promised by the previous
  administration dwindles a
  nd the finger pointing begins.

 And just in the nick of time, here's a war to jump-start the economy.

Not jump start. Distract from.

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[CTRL] 4000 Israelis Missing In Blast. Why Were They There????????

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Thousands of Israelis Missing in Attacks in US: Army Radio

The Israeli Foreign Ministry has received a namelist of 4,000 Israelis, who are believed to be in the areas of the World Trade Center and the Pentagon at the time of the attacks in the United States and have so far not yet contacted their friends or family, Army Radio reported Wednesday.

The Israeli consulate in New York has set up eight hotline numbers for people to call for information on missing friends and relatives.

The Foreign Ministry in Jerusalem has also set up an emergency hotline for Israelis searching for missing friends or relatives in the United States.

An Israel Defense Forces (IDF) disaster rescue unit made up of 120 soldiers is scheduled to leave for New York City Wednesday afternoon to assist U.S. authorities in rescue operations.

The Israeli transport flight will be given special permission to land in the New York area. American airspace remains closed at this time to all except military flights.

In the meantime, Israelis flags at schools around the nation are flying at half-mast Wednesday in mourning of the American victims of Tuesday's terror attacks.

Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon declared Tuesday night that Wednesday would be a day of mourning for victims of the terrorist attacks in the Untied States. Flags on government office buildings are also flying half-mast Wednesday.

[CTRL] Israel Leads U.S. Back To Vietnam

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Israel leads U.S. back to Vietnam

by Greg Felton

On Sept. 11, 2001, the psychological heart of the American republic was attacked without warning. The World Trade Centre and some neighbouring buildings were reduced to rubble, and the Pentagon was turned into a tetragon. (The intended target is now thought to be the White House. Another plane that crashed in Pennsylvania was destined for Air Force One.)

Like all victims, the survivors are trying to understand how it could happen. Why was there no warning? How could four domestic aircraft be hijacked with military precision and turned into flying bombs?

In a rush to make sense out of what appears to be a senseless act of terrorism, commentors and analysts have drawn allusions to the 1941 Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor, both because of the heavy losses of life and because it was the last time American soil was bombed by a foreign power. (Hawaii was a territory at the time; it became a state in 1959).

There are two problems with this comparison.

First, there is reason to suspect that President Franklin Roosevelt had foreknowledge of the Japanese attack and allowed it to happen to create a pretext to defeat domestic isolationist sentiment and openly join the Allied war effort. In the New York/Washington D.C. attacks, U.S. Intelligence agencies were caught utterly clueless.

Second, the U.S. was a non-combatant before the Pearl Harbor attack, and had no hostile relations with the Empire of Japan. In the New York/Washington D.C. attacks, and the U.S. is deeply involved in the Middle East, politically and militarily, and it is because of this involvement that the terrorists attacked. Informed speculation has it that the mastermind is Saudi Arabian dissident-in-exile Osama bin Laden, though no concrete proof linking him or his organization to the attack has been turned up.

For a more useful analogy we have to go back to Jan. 31, 1968. We have to revisit to Vietnam. "The enemy offensive during Tet, the Lunar New Year, began on Jan. 31 with an attack on the United States Embassy in Saigon; for a day enemy guerillas held the embassy compound," wrote New York Times reporter E.W. Kenworthy wrote in The Pentagon Papers. "The attacks spread rapidly to almost all the cities and major towns of South Vietnam

"The Pentagon study [of the attack]...says that the offensive took the White House and the Joint Chiefs by surprise, 'and its strength length and intensity prolonged the shock.'"

For North Vietnam, the Tet Offensive was a military failure that cost thousands of lives, but it was a complete psychological victory. Even though U.S. and South Vietnamese forces recaptured all lost ground and repulsed the attack, the North Vietnamese proved that they could get to the most sensitive part of the United States--the embassy.

In March 1968, the U.S. government was forced to concede that the massive carpet bombing of North Vietnam (Operation Rolling Thunder) had done nothing to degrade the north's ability to stage operations in the south. The U.S. then began to scale back its involvement because it could not see an end to the war. On March 31, two months to the day after Tet started, President Lyndon Johnson announced he would not seek re-election. America, to all intents and purposes, admitted defeat.

The NYC/DC bombings also claimed thousands of lives and exposed America's vulnerability in places thought to be inviolable. Here, too, America is a major belligerent; it props up Israel; tacitly condones the Zionist entity's decades-long terror campaign against Palestinian civilians; and is engaged in a sadistic, illegal beggaring of Iraq.

To radical opponents of U.S.-backed oppression of Arab peoples, the U.S. is a legitimate target. They are right. In saying this, I do not excuse the attack or condone it in any way, but the U.S. has a penchant for inviting attack from those whom it wrongs in the name of U.S. self-interest, and then reacts with stupefaction and belligerence when the expected happens.

Sen. John McCain was correct to call the NYC/DC bombings an act of war, rather than an act of terrorism. What he did not say, though, was that the U.S., through its support of Israel, has been in a de facto state of war with the Palestinians for decades, and that an attack of some sort was to be expected.

Of course, the immediate aftermath of a horrendous attack is no time for candour. The minds of everyone are with the dead, missing and bereaved. World governments, including those of Arab nations, rightly condemned the bombings unequivocally. It would make no sense to countenance such a wanton act of domestic murder because it plays into the hands of anti-Arab Zionists more than it champions the cause of Palestinian liberation.

Then again, there is never a good time for candour about the Middle East. The Jewish lobby has the U.S. government by the balls and pro-Israeli interests and strongarm groups virtually dictate

[CTRL] Alice In Wonderland The WTC Disaster

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ALICE IN WONDERLAND AND THE WTC DISASTER

IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR THE FORCE
BEHIND THE U.S. ATROCITIES
JUST ASK: WHO BENEFITS?

"Nothing would be what it is, Because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary-wise -what it is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?" - Alice in Wonderland.

By David Icke
The force that seeks to control this world and introduce its global fascist state, the network I call the Illuminati, is nothing if not predictable.

The unbelievable horror perpetrated on the cities of New York and Washington is a problem-reaction-solution sting on the collective mind of all humanity and I have been expecting an event of this magnitude for some years. I thought it could be a war or a nuclear "terrorist" device, but something fantastic was always going to happen during the years of the Bush presidency when, as I wrote on inauguration day, the agenda would be pressed forward with a gathering pace.

Fast as the world was being moved towards global centralised fascism, it was still not fast enough to match the timescale demanded by the Illuminati agenda. And the opposition to their globalisation plans and their assaults on freedom, was gathering by the day. It was clear that something of enormous magnitude was being orchestrated that would so devastate the collective human mind with fear, horror, and insecurity, that "solutions" could be offered that would advance the agenda in a colossal leap almost overnight. This is what we saw in America on the ritually-significant eleventh day of the ninth month - 911 is the number for emergencies in the United States. Ritual and esoteric codes are at the heart of everything the Illuminati undertakes.

And, mind-numbing as these atrocities are, this is the start, not the end, of the next cycle of the Illuminati agenda for the mental, emotional, spiritual, and physical imprisonment of humankind. More and more death and destruction will unfold as the "Free World" unites as an (in affect) world army and world government to use the threat of "terrorism" (their own) to justify a war against the people and countries they choose to take the rap for what the very forces WITHIN the "free world" are themselves responsible for. Even war with the Islamic peoples is not the end, but the means to an end - a conflict with the remaining forces of communism, which they also control. Remember that the Illuminati operate through every country and within "terrorist" organisations and those agencies which "oppose" such terrorism. Only by having agents within all "sides" can they be sure of controlling the game and knowing the outcome before it starts. The Illuminati have operatives within the Islamic world, just as they have them in the so-called "free world", as we shall see in the months to come. Saddam Hussein is every bit as much a knowing Illuminati pawn as Father George and Boy George Bush in America, for example (see…And The Truth Shall Set You Free).

The predictability of the ritualistic, emotionless, reptilian mind can be seen in the news management that has followed this U.S. disaster. Look at what always happens in these circumstances and you will see that the blueprint is the same in almost every case. Before the event happens the fall-guy or "patsy" is already set up to take the blame, thus steering the public mind away from dangerous speculation and onto a pre-ordained target. After the Kennedy assassination it was Lee Harvey Oswald; after Oklahoma it was Timothy McVeigh; now it is Osama Bin Laden.

Bin Laden, deeply misguided as he may be, is no more responsible for what happened this week than I am. His name was introduced with the most obvious co-ordination immediately after the disaster unfolded in the same way that the background to Lee Harvey Oswald was being circulated BEFORE President Kennedy was even dead.

The idea that this guy from the mountains of Afghanistan with far more mouth than substance could be the "Mr. Big" of this enormous operation is utterly insulting to anyone of even basic intelligence (see the article by journalist Robert Fisk, who has met him). We are not talking a parcel bomb here, nor even some mind-controlled fanatic driving a car bomb into a restaurant in Jerusalem. Four commercial airliners had to be simultaneously hi-jacked in American air space via American airports and flown into highly specific targets within 45 minutes of each other. How was this possible? Because it was an inside job, that's how, orchestrated by forces WITHIN the United States and planned by the highest levels of U.S. "Intelligence" in co-ordination with other strands of the Illuminati spider's web worldwide.

With an army now of mind-controlled assets at their disposal, it is possible to get them to do anything they require once the mind is programmed and the trigger given to activate them. Those responsible for hi-jacking those planes and flying them into buildings will, in

Re: [CTRL] Terror At Home- The Price Of Hegemony


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   Big talk for a terrorist sympathizer Billy.
   Who are you fronting for these days?
   The Arab Student Pilot's Association?



Hmmm, making up shit now eh Zev?
I front for nobody and only offer my two cents, sentiments
that are shared by the many but aren't oft voiced due to the
fear of the real terrorist ADL and the rest of
the Amen Corner.

Bill.
++

Ya know Billy. Whatever the ADL might or might not be, as far as I
know, they never murdered 30,000 innocent American civilians.

So calling them terrorists from an asshole like you makes one wonder.
If the ADL are terrorists, what are the the guys YOU front for called?
Misguided student pilots?

You're on shaky ground asshole. The people you have publicly backed
for almost a year now danced in joy at the news of the murders of your
fellow citizens at the hands of their countrymen/co-religionists.

What does this make you?

J2

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[CTRL] Fw: Message to the World's Terrorists

2001-09-13 Thread tnohava


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Max565 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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 An open letter to a terrorist:

   Well, you hit the World Trade Center, but you missed America. You
hit the
 Pentagon, but you missed America. You used helpless American bodies, to
take
 out other American bodies, but like a poor marksman, you STILL missed
America.
 Why? Because of something you guys will never understand.  America isn't
about
 a building or two, not about financial centers, not about military
centers,
 America isn't about a place; America isn't even about a bunch of bodies.
 America is about an IDEA.  An idea that you can go someplace where you can
earn
 as much as you can figure out how to, live for the most part like you
 envisioned living, and pursue Happiness.  There are no guarantees that
you'll
 reach it, but you can try!

   Go ahead and whine your terrorist whine, and chant your terrorist
litany:
  If you cannot see my point, then feel my pain. This concept is alien to
 Americans.  We live in a country where we don't have to see your point.
But
 you're free to have one.  We don't have to listen to your speech.  But
you're
 free to make one.  I don't know where you got the strange idea that
everyone
 has to agree with you. We don't agree with each other in this country,
almost
 as a matter of pride.  We're a collection of guys that don't agree, called
 States.  We united our individual states to protect ourselves from tyranny
in
 the world.   this was another idea, we kind of made up on the spot.  You
CAN
 make it up as you go, too, when it's your country, but ONLY if you're
free.
 But I'm probably tilting at windmills, explaining this to you.

   Yeah, some of us are fat, sloppy, easygoing goofs most of the time.
 That's an unfortunate image to project to the world, but it comes of
feeling
 free and easy about the world you live in.  It's unfortunate too, because
 people start to forget that when you attack Americans, they tend to fight
like
 a cornered badger.  The first we knew of the War of 1812, was when England
 burned Washington, DC to the ground.  From what I know of our history,
that war
 didn't turn out like England thought it was going to and it's not going to
turn
 out like you're thinking, either.  Those who dare to hide you, will also
feel
 our wrath.

   Sorry, but you're not the first bully on our shores, just the most
 recent.  No Marquis of Queensbury rules for Americans, either. We were the
 FIRST and so far, only country in the world to use nuclear weapons in
anger.
 Horrific idea, nowadays isn't it? News for you Bucko, it was back then
too, but
 we used it anyway.  There were two of them in the whole world and we used
both.
  We're not proud of that, but we won't back away from the idea, either.
Be
 very careful, or you'll feel that wrath, as we decide to allow YOU to set
the
 rules of engagement.

   I had an uncle who worked on the Manhattan Project. Told me once,
that
 right up until they threw the switch, the physicists were still arguing
over
 whether the Uranium alone would fission, or whether it would start a
fissioning
 chain reaction that would eat everything. But they threw that switch
anyway,
 because we had a War to win. Does that tell you something about American
 Resolve?

   So who just declared War on America? It would be nice to point to
some
 real estate, like the good old days. Unfortunately, we're probably at war
with
 your random camps, in far-flung places.  The trainees there, think they're
 safe.  Just like the Barbary Pirates.  You'd better start sleeping with
one eye
 open.  There's a spirit that tends to take over people who come to this
 country, looking for opportunity, liberty, and freedom, even if they
misuse it.
  You seem to be incapable of understanding that we don't live in America;
 America lives in US!  The American Spirit is what it's called and killing
a few
 thousand of us, or a few million of us, won't change it.  Most of the
time,
 it's a pretty happy-go-lucky kind of Spirit.  Until we're crossed in a
cowardly
 manner, then it becomes an entirely different kind of Spirit. Wait until
you
 see what we do with that Spirit, this time.

   Sleep, if you can.

   We're coming.


 Dan Larsen
 Director of Operations

 Evidence, Inc.
 PO Box 873
 Council Bluffs, IA 51502-0873


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[CTRL] RealAudio: Call from US Carrier PROVES gov't had prior knowledge!!

2001-09-13 Thread Ecotoday


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   Thu, 13 Sep 2001 05:10:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time

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 9.13.01
 Call from US Carrier PROVES gov't had prior knowledge!!

 [ -- Go to:
 www.inforadionet.com/
 then select UNWO to HEAR THE CALL!]

 A U.S. Navy serviceman stationed on an aircraft carrier called his
 family in the United States well PRIOR to Tuesday's horrendously
 catastrophic events in New York City and  at the Pentagon, and ALERTED
 THEM that something big was about to go down in a major urban area!

 Even MORE astounding: This person further noted that the carrier was
 being diverted from its previous mission and was heading directly to the
 East Coast as a result of the incident that was going to occur!

 Beyond the merest shadow of a doubt this proves conclusively that
 elements of the U.S. government's intelligence  and military sectors HAD
 PRIOR KNOWLEDGE that a massive act of terrorism/war was about to be
 unleashed against America!

 THEY KNEW! And now WE KNOW THEY KNEW!!

 What's more: given the fact that according to information made public in
 the New York times on Oct. 28, 1993 it is PROVEN one FBI agent John
 Anticev and bureau associates were HEAVILY involved with Islamic
 extremists in EVERY STAGE of the bombing of the World trade Center in
 1993, providing funds, equipment, supplies, support and training to the
 actual perpetrators, we have EVERY REASON to believe the same state of
 affairs exists regarding Tuesday's mass atrocities in NYC and D.C.

 The Bush Administration and the globalist/NWO factions it's fronting for
 NEEDED a massive, earthshaking act of terrorism unleashed upon a major
 U.S. metropolitan area, in order to generate and galvanize support among
 the people for implementation of martial law conditions within the
 territory of the United States, and DRASTIC, SEVERE curtailment of
 Constitutional rights and civil liberties.

 The destruction, death and devastation wrought in New York and D.C.
 Tuesday are in EVERY WAY the BushMob's burning of the Reichstag.

 Feds KNEW what was coming -- and what's more, certain factions clearly
 assisted, aided and abetted the actual perpetrators of Tuesday's mass
 carnage.
 AGAIN: We now have solid proof, with regard to the content of the call
 made by the Navy serviceman to his parents BEFORE Tuesday's events
 unfolded, that some elements of the federal government KNEW BEFOREHAND a
 major terrorist incident was going to occur!

 The Bush Administration must be turned out NOW. They are in EVERY WAY
 RESPONSIBLE!

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[CTRL] BIN LADEN HIS CIA CONNECTIONS COME HOME TO ROOST

2001-09-13 Thread Ecotoday

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[Note that the date on this story is August 1998, by MSNBC's International
Editor]

Bin Laden comes home to roost His CIA ties are only the beginning of a
woeful story

By Michael Moran MSNBC
http://msnbc.com/news/190144.asp?cp1=1

NEW YORK, Aug. 24, 1998 -  At the CIA, it happens often enough to have a
code name: Blowback. Simply defined, this is the term that describes an
agent, an operative or an operation that has turned on its creators. Osama
bin Laden, our new public enemy Number 1, is the personification of
blowback. And the fact that he is viewed as a hero by millions in the
Islamic world proves again the old adage: Reap what you sow.

BEFORE YOU CLICK on my face and call me naive, let me concede some points.
Yes, the West needed Josef Stalin to defeat Hitler. Yes, there were times
during the Cold War when supporting one villain (Cambodia's Lon Nol, for
instance) would have been better than the alternative (Pol Pot). So yes,
there are times when any nation must hold its nose and shake hands with the
devil for the long-term good of the planet.

But just as surely, there are times when the United States, faced
with such moral dilemmas, should have resisted the temptation to act. Arming
a multi- national coalition of Islamic extremists in
Afghanistan during the 1980s - well after the destruction of the
Marine barracks in Beirut or the hijacking of TWA Flight 847 - was
one of those times.

BIN LADEN'S BEGINNINGS

As anyone who has bothered to read this far certainly knows by now, bin
Laden is the heir to Saudi construction fortune who, at least
since the early 1990s, has used that money to finance countless
attacks on U.S. interests and those of its Arab allies around the
world.

Osama bin Laden's network

As his unclassified CIA biography states, bin Laden left Saudi Arabia
to fight the Soviet army in Afghanistan after Moscow's invasion in
1979. By 1984, he was running a front organization known as Maktab
al-Khidamar - the MAK - which funneled money, arms and fighters from the
outside world into the Afghan war.

What the CIA bio conveniently fails to specify (in its unclassified
form, at least) is that the MAK was nurtured by Pakistan's state
security services, the Inter-Services Intelligence agency, or ISI,
the CIA's primary conduit for conducting the covert war against
Moscow's occupation.

By no means was Osama bin Laden the leader of Afghanistan's
mujahedeen. His money gave him undue prominence in the Afghan
struggle, but the vast majority of those who fought and died for
Afghanistan's freedom - like the Taliban regime that now holds sway
over most of that tortured nation - were Afghan nationals.

Yet the CIA, concerned about the factionalism of Afghanistan made
famous by Rudyard Kipling, found that Arab zealots who flocked to aid the
Afghans were easier to read than the rivalry-ridden natives.
While the Arab volunteers might well prove troublesome later, the
agency reasoned, they at least were one-dimensionally anti-Soviet for now.
So bin Laden, along with a small group of Islamic militants from Egypt,
Pakistan, Lebanon, Syria and Palestinian refugee camps all over the Middle
East, became the reliable partners of the CIA in its war against Moscow.

WHAT'S 'INTELLIGENT' ABOUT THIS?

Though he has come to represent all that went wrong with the CIA's
reckless strategy there, by the end of the Afghan war in 1989, bin
Laden was still viewed by the agency as something of a dilettante - a rich
Saudi boy gone to war and welcomed home by the Saudi monarchy he so hated as
something of a hero.

 America strikes back

In fact, while he returned to his family's construction business, bin
Laden had split from the relatively conventional MAK in 1988 and
established a new group, al-Qaida, that included many of the more
extreme MAK members he had met in Afghanistan.

Most of these Afghan vets, or Afghanis, as the Arabs who fought there became
known, turned up later behind violent Islamic movements around the world.
Among them: the GIA in Algeria, thought responsible for the massacres of
tens of thousands of civilians; Egypt's Gamat Ismalia, which has massacred
western tourists repeatedly in recent years; Saudi Arabia Shiite militants,
responsible for the Khobar Towers and Riyadh bombings of 1996.

Indeed, to this day, those involved in the decision to give the
Afghan rebels access to a fortune in covert funding and top-level
combat weaponry continue to defend that move in the context of the
Cold War. Sen. Orrin Hatch, a senior Republican on the Senate
Intelligence Committee making those decisions, told my colleague
Robert Windrem that he would make the same call again today even
knowing what bin Laden would do

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