Re: [CTRL] On CNN Manipulating Images (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Posted to Marxmail by Jose Perez: [Following the recent spate or repostings of the charge that CNN played decade old video claiming it was Palestinians celebrating the Sep. 11 attacks, a person named Craig Gingold did the logical thing, and wrote CNN. He was immediately answered by the person in charge of newsgathering for CNN, Eason Jordan. Gingold asks that his email and Jordan's response be circulated to all lists where the charge against CNN was aired] [I do not know Craig Gingold, or if I do I don't recall who he is. But I have known Eason Jordan, the executive who answered his email, for more than a decade, at least casually, as well as observed his work, or the results of it, at fairly close range. [I'm sure if we sat down to have a philosophical or political discussion Jordan and I might disagree on countless topics. But on the level of the formal, ethical norms and standards of mainstream journalism, nothing I've ever seen him do or say nor anything I have ever heard about him would raise the slightest question in my mind about taking his probity for granted on an issue like this. [Jordan is a Georgia native who rose through the CNN. He came into CNN in his early 20s and was for five or six years the overnight person on CNN's international desk. At the end of the 1980's, as CNN grew and its international reporting expanded, he was put in charge of the growing international desk, and is especially associated with initiatives like making sure CNN kept a reporting presence in Iraq throughout the Gulf War and resisting significant pressure from the U.S. and its allies in that war to stop reporting Iraq's side of that story. [There would be, undoubtedly, countless things one might criticize from a left-wing point of view about this reporting, but even so, it must be admitted that CNN covered Iraq's side in that war to an extent that was unprecedented in the history of mainstream American journalism. Similarly, he was closely associated with things like CNN's establishing a bureau in Havana, and was the first journalist from a major Western news organization to report on North Korea, using a small DV cam to record pictures and reporting about the famine that country was facing 3 or 4 years back. He has stanchly defended CNN's hiring of Palestinian journalists and the airing of their work against a barrage of criticism from the Israeli press and government. Under Jordan, CNN's international desk became much more of a truly international desk, with staff members from all over the world, including many from the third world. A number of people that came in essentially as person-on-the-lowest-rung on the international desk (most famously Christian Amanpour but not just her) have gone on to do some of the better on-screen CNN international reporting of recent years, despite funny accents, bad delivery and faces made for radio. [Unfortunately, U.S. viewers get very little exposure to this reporting, as the CNN domestic network (the one everyone thinks of as the CNN although the truth is CNN International has many, many more subscribers) no longer carries much of this material, unlike several years ago, before Time-Warner acquired Turner broadcasting. [An interesting question for CNN to ponder might be why what is presented as an unsubstantiated rumor was given such credence. I say unsubstantiated rumor because the person who made the charge didn't even CLAIM to have the proof, and there was a strong suggestion in how he wrote about it that he'd never even seen the alleged proof. The person who was said to have the proof was an anonymous teacher. And on the *substance* of the events, there is no dispute that there were initially some expressions of celebration among Palestinians when the first reports on the attacks came through. [I do not believe such a claim would have been as easily accepted say, eight or ten years ago.] [José] * * * - Original Message - From: Craig Gingold [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 8:00 PM Subject: !b_a_Act: CNN Exec Replies to Phony Video Accusation Over the last several days an extremely alarming email has been circulating on virtually every email list in existence, judging by the number of copies that I have received. The basic charge is that CNN perpetrated a knowing deception of its viewers by airing a 10-year-old videotape of Palestinians celebrating during the Gulf War, but misrepresenting it as showing celebrations of the terror attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon. I hardly need explain why this is an extremely serious accusation. The implications -- if true -- are so disturbing that I felt compelled to make an effort to ascertain the veracity of the claim. (The relevant parts of that email are at the very end of this posting.) Given the incredibly wide circulation of the email, and the fact that it is based entirely on the
[CTRL] LonInd: Coded warnings raise the spectre of a mole inside the White House
-Caveat Lector- http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=93993 By Jeremy Laurance 14 September 2001 As the second airliner slammed into the south tower of the World Trade Centre, Vice-President Dick Cheney was staring at a television in the White House. It was 9.03am. His Secret Service men grabbed him and hurried him down to the President's emergency operations centre, an underground bunker hardened to withstand a nuclear attack On the way to the tubular structure, Mr Cheney was told that another plane, or a helicopter loaded with explosives, was headed for the White House. He promptly called the President in Florida, who had just boarded Air Force One, and urged him not to come back to Washington immediately. In the bunker, the Vice-President was joined by Condoleezza Rice, the national security adviser, and the Transportation Secretary, Norman Mineta, among others. They were told six commercial aircraft were unaccounted for, all of which were potential missiles. One had supposedly crashed in Kentucky (not true), and another in Pennsylvania (accurate; its passengers or crew, apparently struggling with the hijackers, may have saved the White House). The airliner that had taken off at Dulles - AA Flight 77 - did a 360-degree turn, away from the White House and, at 9.45am, slammed into the Pentagon. At about that time, accounts began coming into the White House bunker that four international flights were headed toward Washington over the Atlantic and another from Korea. It could not be determined whether they were hostile; part of the terrorist scheme. US fighters and an Awacs control aircraft scrambled. A threatening message received by the Secret Service was relayed to the agents with the President that Air Force One is next. American code words were used showing a knowledge of procedures that made the threat credible. Karl Rove, the president's senior adviser, told William Safire of the New York Times:When the President said 'I don't want some tinhorn terrorists keeping me out of Washington,' the Secret Service informed him the threat contained language showing the terrorists had knowledge of his procedures and whereabouts. It was decided to get airborne with a fighter escort. After the President landed at an air force base in Louisiana and made a tape for broadcast, he was, in Mr Rove's words, pretty antsy about not being at the centre of command. George Bush made clear to the Vice-President his intense desire to return to Washington. The Secret Service objected strongly. Mr Cheney, a former Defence Secretary, suggested Air Force One go to Offutt base in Nebraska, headquarters of the Strategic Air Command, where the president could convene the National Security Council. A White House official, quoted by Mr Safire, said It would have been irresponsible of him to come back, pounding his chest when hostile aircraft may have been headed our way. Any suggestion that he should have done so is ludicrous. The most puzzling aspect of the events concerns the credibility of the Air Force One is next message. It was clearly viewed as a threat, not a friendly warning - but if so, why would the terrorists send it? It is also unclear how they got the codeword information and transponder know-how. The worry now must be that knowledge of codewords, presidential whereabouts and secret procedures indicates the terrorists may have a mole in the White House - or the Secret Service, FBI, FAA or CIA. If so, America's war on terror may well have to start in its own front room. Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send
[CTRL] UPI: Bush Sr.: Free up spy bodies
-Caveat Lector- Thursday, 13 September 2001 13:36 (ET) Bush Sr.: Free up spy bodies By KATHY GAMBRELL, UPI Washington Reporter WASHINGTON, Sept. 13 (UPI) -- Former President George H.W. Bush said Thursday that U.S. intelligence agencies need fewer restrictions in the wake of the terrorist attacks that leveled the World Trade Center in New York and heavily damaged the Pentagon. It is far more difficult to fight an enemy that won't show his face, Bush said from Boston. The senior Bush, who served as the nation's 41st president and as CIA director from 1976 to 1980, made his comments two days after the terrorist attacks that left thousands dead. The enemy is unpredictability and instability, Bush said. He said new dangers had emerged to take the place of the Soviet bear and superpower confrontation. All of this and more should reinforce the need for Americans to have the best possible intelligence in the world, Bush said. Human intelligence is kind of a dirty business and in it you have to deal with a lot of unsavory people, Bush said. He went on to say: If you are going to infiltrate some cell somewhere or a terrorist cell, you have to deal with people who are willing to betray their country, people who are willing to betray their friends, people who want money or other things. And it's not pleasant. The intelligence community, he said, must be freed up from some of its restraints to provide the president with the best information possible. He said lawmakers will have to take a hard look at whether the United States has gone too far in denying the people who run the intelligence community access to informants. He expressed confidence in his son President Bush's abilities to reach out to international leaders and members of Congress, saying he was doing the right thing. He said several people have called him to apologize for their premature judgments on the president's decision to land Air Force One at a military installation in Louisiana and then at a second military base in Nebraska, en route from Sarasota, Fla. He said: I have to confess to being a little annoyed at the attacks on him for following security procedures, not rushing right back to Washington. But as you've seen in today's (Thursday's) paper, there were some credible threats against the president and indeed on the White House itself. Bush also urged Americans not to unjustly blame Arab Americans and Muslims living in the United States for the attacks. We must guard against painting with such a broad brush that we cause innocent Arab-Americans or Islamic believers anywhere to come under unfair attack, he said in a statement. Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: TIME TO USE THE NUCLEAR OPTION:
Dreadful A BUZZFLASH.COM EDITORIAL COMMENTARY TIME TO USE THE NUCLEAR OPTION: This Headline Should Send a Chill Down Your Spine Amidst the unified sense of American support for a war on terrorism, the debate about tactics has just begun. The Washington Times, a conservative newspaper (owned by Rev. Moon) that both influences and reflects Bush administration policy, ran an alarming September 14th commentary calling for the use of tactical nuclear weapons in America's war on terrorism. Entitled The Time to Use the Nuclear Option, Thomas Woodrow, described as a 22-year-veteran intelligence officer, advised the Bush Administration (http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20010914-87723680.htm): The time has come for the United States to make good on its past pledges that it will use all military capabilities at its disposal to defend U.S. soil by delivering nuclear strikes against the instigators and perpetrators of the attacks against the nation's political capital and the nation's financial capital. At a bare minimum, tactical nuclear capabilities should be used against the bin Laden camps in the desert of Afghanistan. To do less would be rightly seen by the poisoned minds that orchestrated these attacks as cowardice on the part of the United States and the current administration. To consider use of the nation's nuclear forces, in the present circumstances, cannot be brushed aside as an overly emotional response to the unknown face of terrorism. . Woodrow concludes his appeal to the Bush Administration by declaring: No, the bin Laden groups must be exterminated completely before they become more powerful in their efforts to exterminate us. We should use our nuclear capabilities to help achieve this. If youre a BuzzFlash reader who has been eager to give the Bush defense team a blank check to conduct our military operations, take a deep breath and think again. It is in the nature of initial patriotic feelings to support the nation's leadership in their military plans as they confront a threat to Americans, but the devil, of course, is in the details of how the war'' is waged. Given that several nations hostile to the United States reportedly have access to nuclear weapons, it would be fool hearty for America to launch a tactical nuclear strike unless it were a last resort to saving our nation. A so-called tactical nuclear strike would open the doors to initiating a nuclear or germ warfare counterattack by terrorists or rogue nations against the United States on American soil. It is one giant step toward abandoning our moral authority in opposing the use of nuclear weapons. The fact that the Bush administration has been keen on abandoning the ABM treaty -- in order to pursue its single-minded focus on a missile defense shield -- further increases the likelihood that the U.S. will face a nuclear attack of some sort. It's willingness to trade off the build-up of nuclear capabilities in China in return for their support of a missile defense system is testament to an obsessive focus on a star wars nuclear defense option that is rooted more in Hollywood fantasy than science. But it's a fantasy whose implementation, in terms of political strategy, could result in disaster. As Robin Wright notes in a Slate Magazine article, How Missile Defense Would Help Terrorists ( http://slate.msn.com/Earthling/01-09-13/Earthling.asp) : Missile defense won't just fail to stop the next big terrorist attack. It could hasten the next attack and make it literally 100 times as lethal as Tuesday's .The more nuclear materials there are floating around beyond American control, the worse things look. And missile defense would probably raise that amount. Both Russia and China have made noises about escalating their nuclear programs in response to missile defense. In the case of Russia, the threat rings hollow for fiscal reasons, but China has the resources to deliver. In fact, it is modernizing its arsenal in any event and can well afford to accelerate and expand the program in response to missile defense. And most experts agree that, within the framework of nuclear deterrence, doing so would be rational. In the more distant future, rapid growth in the Chinese arsenal could spur growth in India's arsenal, which could spur growth in Pakistan's arsenal, which could spur more growth in India's arsenal, and so onwith each iteration upping the chances of a little plutonium or uranium straying into the hands of terrorists. As noted in our Sunday BuzzFlash Editorial Commentary (http://www.buzzflash.com/BuzzScripts/Buzz.dll/Content), the New York Times reported in August that the Bush administration, stretched to budgetary limits in its support of the missile defense system and the tax cuts, was backing off financial support of a program to neutralize plutonium that is currently in Russian nuclear warheads. The Bush abandonment of this Clinton administration initiative
[CTRL] OPERATION NOBLE EAGLE IS GO!
-Caveat Lector- Operation Noble Eagle is Go. And to: The Eagle, soars to the heights, the bird of mighty Jupiter carrying thunderbolts, it is a bird worthy of Jupiter and the sky, which it furnishes with awful armaments. This bird brings back the thunderbolts which Jupiter has flung and fights in the service of heaven. He that is born on earth in the hour of its rising, will grow up bent on spoil and plunder, won even with bloodshed; he will draw no line between peace and war, between citizen and foe, and when he is short of men to kill he will engage in butchery of beast. He is a law unto himself, and rushes violently wherever his fancy takes him; in his eyes to show contempt for everything merits praise. Yet, should perchance his aggressiveness be enlisted in a righteous cause, depravity will turn into virtue, and he will succeed in bringing wars to a conclusion and enriching his country with glorious triumphs. And, since the Eagle does not wield, but supplies weapons, seeing that it brings back and restores to Jupiter the fires and bolts he has hurled, in time of war such a man will be the aide of a king or of some mighty general, and his strength will render them important service. (Manilus, book 5 of Astronomica). John DM A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Drudge: ROB LOWE: PRESIDENT CLINTON ONCE LET MY KIDS HANDLE NUKE SECRETS
-Caveat Lector- X DRUDGE REPORT X SUN SEPT 09, 2001 13:40:27 ET X WEST WING star Rob Lowe claims President Clinton once let Lowe's two children play with the special briefcase that holds the coordinates for the nation's nuke bombs! MORE Lowe says that during one White House visit -- the president did nothing as his kids toyed with the case across the South Lawn. My kids were carrying the football -- the briefcase with the nuclear coordinates with all of our launch codes, Lowe tells PLAYBOY magazine in fresh editions. My 7-year-old and 4-year-old had the nuclear launch codes of the United States. The episode occurred after Lowe and his family watched Clinton give a radio talk in the Oval Office, the actor reveals. But has Lowe been eating some of Aaron Sorkin's [executive producer of WING] fancy mushrooms? The White House Communications Agency says the football which contains the nuclear launch codes is not even kept by the President -- but instead carried by a military officer, who must undergo the nation's most rigorous security background check! http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/c3i/nuclear-football.htm And the EMMY goes to... Scott Jordan wrote: All I can say is, good thing Lowe's kids don't like to merrily punch buttons like mine do... ;-) --S. X DRUDGE REPORT X SUN SEPT 09, 2001 13:40:27 ET X ROB LOWE: PRESIDENT CLINTON ONCE LET MY KIDS HANDLE NUKE SECRETS WEST WING star Robe Lowe claims President Clinton once let Lowe's two children play with the special briefcase that holds the coordinates for the nation's nuke bombs! MORE Lowe says that during one White House visit -- the president did nothing as his kids toyed with the case across the South Lawn. My kids were carrying the football -- the briefcase with the nuclear coordinates with all of our launch codes, Lowe tells the magazine in fresh editions. My 7-year-old and 4-year-old had the nuclear launch codes of the United States. The episode occurred after Lowe and his family watched Clinton give a radio talk in the Oval Office, the actor reveals. Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Chem/Bio Risk
-Caveat Lector- On Sun, 16 Sep 2001, Steve wrote: What is to keep a terrorist from flying a small plane like a Cessna 152 over a large outdoor stadium and deploy a chemical or biological weapon, even by simply spraying the area with a crop duster like apparatus? You don't even have to get that technical; just get one terrorist a job in maintenance or security at a large indoor stadium, have him release the chemical or biological agent into the HVAC system at the beginning of some large event at the stadium. June === Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] SCAM ALERT!!
-Caveat Lector- NY TIMES September 17, 2001 http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/17/business/17ECON.html THE ECONOMY Officials Seek to Bolster Investor Confidence By RICHARD W. STEVENSON with JONATHAN FUERBRINGER WASHINGTON, Sept. 16 - An informal coalition of government and business implored the leaders of Wall Street today to do what they could as a patriotic duty to keep the stock markets from tumbling when they reopen on Monday morning. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] U.S. Jews: Sharon is `worried' by terrorism distinction
-Caveat Lector- Monday, September 17, 2001 Elul 29, 5761 Israel Time: 06:30 (GMT+3) U.S. Jews: Sharon is `worried' by terrorism distinction http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=75264contrassID=2subContrassID=1sbSubContrassID= 0listSrc=Y By Shlomo Shamir NEW YORK - Prime Minister Ariel Sharon is very worried by what he sees as a growing tendency in Washington to draw a distinction between terrorism against the United States and terrorism against Israel, American Jewish leaders said yesterday after participating in a conference call with the prime minister on Friday. Participants in the conference call said Sharon had expressed concern that the United States would exclude Palestinian terror from its planned war on terrorism. We cannot permit ourself to distinguish between terror against Israel and terror against the rest of the world, they quoted Sharon as saying. [Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser] Arafat's terror against Israel is like [Osama] bin Laden's terror against the United States. Sharon told the Jewish leaders that if Palestinian terrorism were to be excluded from Washington's anti-terror endeavors, such efforts could actually weaken Israel's fight against the phenomenon. He asked them, therefore, to help prevent such an eventuality. During the conversation - which participants defined afterward as difficult and worrying - Sharon repeatedly stressed: There is no good terror and bad terror. Terror is terror; and murder is murder. The war must be against all terrorist organizations, and we cannot compromise with terror, the American Jewish leaders quoted him as saying. Sharon said that Israel would not be willing to pay the political price of America's planned coalition. I made this clear to President Bush and Secretary of State Powell, he told them, adding that he had told Bush that a meeting between Arafat and Foreign Minister Shimon Peres would only make the situation worse. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Suicide Hijacker Alive And Well In Jeddah
-Caveat Lector- The technique of using the identity papers of real people was mentioned by William Pepper in his book about the MLK assassination. http://roswell.fortunecity.com/angelic/96/ripmas~1.htm *** He [James Earl Ray] was extradited to the United States and placed in a cell from July 19 until March 10, 1969. For ten months, Ray was watched 24 hours a day and every word of his to the outside world was monitored. As in the case of Lee Harvey Oswald, he had been convicted in the media and could not have received a fair trial. It must also be recalled that Ray, from the time he allegedly rented the room in Memphis until his arrest in London, used a series of aliases such as Eric Galt, John Willard, Ramon George Sneyd and Paul Bridgeman. Much to his credit , Pepper tracked down each of these names until we find that an Eric Galt did exist--and worked on US defense contracts--at Union Carbide in Toronto (where Ray fled after the assassination). Galt had a top secret security clearance. ***[According to Pepper, the clearance is what kept him mobile because his movements did not alert intelligence inquiries about his travel.] Pepper presents the following analysis: There could no longer be any doubt that the chief prosecution witness had been drunk and unable to observe anything... Somehow he [Dr. King] had been mysteriously moved from a secluded ground-level courtyard room to a highly exposed balcony room...As a result of observations...it appears conclusive that the fatal shot was fired from the brush area and not from the bathroom [at the rooming house] There were increasing indications that members of the Liberto family at least in Memphis and New Orleans were implicated in the killing (pp.230-231). These remarks appear near the middle of the book. Pepper then traces these persons and events to their final conclusions and flatly asserts that Ray was not the killer, but rather that an elaborate conspiracy existed to assassinate MLK. If he wasn't the killer, who was James Earl Ray? Why did he use the name of Eric Galt, an actual person with a government security clearance? Where was Ray at the exact moment that King was murdered? Was he a patsy, as Pepper claims? Indeed there are points in the book where Pepper seems unable to remove himself from the narrative and his research. He is convinced that there has been a friendly and quite comfortable accommodation between US intelligence agencies and crooks. This is not a new concept to JFK researchers and is hard to doubt given our present understanding of the FBI and CIA's domestic and foreign policy operations of the 1960s. -Original Message- From: Samantha L. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, September 16, 2001 11:56 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Suicide Hijacker Alive And Well In Jeddah -Caveat Lector- Could the hijackers have been CIA mind control assassins using specific Arab person's ID's as cover? I wonder how many (if any) other names turn out to be people still living, or people recently deceased under unusual circumstances. The hijackers could also be Bin Laden's people who adopted Arab people's ID's as cover, of course. It occurs to me there are only two types of people willling/able to commit suicide in acts like these - genuine jihad soldiers and MC assassins. Samantha In a message dated 9/16/01 7:11:32 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Subj: [CTRL] Suicide Hijacker Alive And Well In Jeddah Date:9/16/01 7:11:32 PM Central Daylight Time From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Shannon) Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Conspiracy Theory Research List) Reply-to:A HREF=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED];[EMAIL PROTECTED] /A (Conspiracy Theory Research List) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] A HREF=http://news.independent.co.uk/World/; http://news.independent.co.uk/World//A 'Suicide hijacker' is an airline pilot alive and well in Jeddah Suspects By Robert Fisk in Beirut 17 September 2001A man named by the US Department of Justice as a suicide hijacker of American Airlines flight 11 the first airliner to smash into the World Trade Centre is very much alive and living in Jeddah. Abdulrahman al-Omari, a pilot with Saudi Airlines, was astonished to find himself accused of hijacking as well as being dead and has visited the US consulate in Jeddah to demand an explanation. None has so far been forthcoming. It is possible that the hijacker adopted Mr al-Omari's identity but, if he had been using the same false name while training as a pilot in the US, he would presumably have been uncovered. That is not the only error on the list of hijackers. The name of Ziad Jarrah identified as the pilot-hijacker of United Airlines flight 93, which crashed in Pennsylvania was misspelt Jarrahi. He was a Lebanese whose family, living in the Bekaa Valley, spoke to him just two days before his death but who still refuse to believe that he was
[CTRL] 5 Israelis detained for `puzzling behavior' after WTC tragedy (fwd)
-- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 10:49:22 +0200 From: Arjan El Fassed [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AL-AWDA] 5 Israelis detained for `puzzling behavior' after WTC tragedy 5 Israelis detained for `puzzling behavior' after WTC tragedy By Yossi Melman (Ha'aretz, 17 September 2001) Five Israelis who had worked for a moving company based in New Jersey are being held in U.S. prisons for what the Federal Bureau of Investigation has described as puzzling behavior following the terror attack on the World Trade Center in New York last Tuesday. The five are expected to be deported sometime soon. The families of the five, who asked that their names not be released, said that their sons had been questioned by the FBI for hours on end, had been kept in solitary confinement for three days, and had been humiliated, stripped of their clothes and blindfolded. The mother of one of the young men explained the chain of events as she understands it to Ha'aretz: She said that the five had worked for the company, which is owned by an Israeli, for between two months and two years. They had been arrested some four hours after the attack on the Twin Towers while filming the smoking skyline from the roof of their company's building, she said. It appears that they were spotted by one of the neighbors who called the police and the FBI. The mother said that the families and friends of the five in Israel had known nothing of the men's whereabouts for a number of days. When they finally let my son make a phone call for the first time to a friend in the United States two days ago, he told him that he had been tortured by the FBI in a basement, the mother said. He was stripped to his underwear; he was blindfolded and questioned for 14 hours. They thought that because he has citizenship of a European country as well as of Israel that he was working for the Mossad [Israel's secret service]. Seven FBI agents later stormed the apartment of one of the Israelis, searched it and questioned his roommate. The Israeli owner of the company, who has U.S. citizenship, was also questioned. Both men were subsequently released. The families here complained that the Israeli consulate in New York and the situation room set up by the Foreign Ministry there to locate missing Israelis had done nothing to help their sons. The Foreign Ministry told the families that the FBI had denied holding the five and that the consulate had chosen to believe the FBI, the mother said. The five were transferred out of the FBI's facility on Saturday morning and are now being held in two prisons in New Jersey by the Immigration and Naturalization Services. They are charged with illegally residing in the United States and working there without permits. The Foreign Ministry said in response that it had been informed by the consulate in New York that the FBI had arrested the five for puzzling behavior. They are said to have had been caught videotaping the disaster and shouting in what was interpreted as cries of joy and mockery.
Re: [CTRL] US special forces 'land in Pakistan'
-Caveat Lector- which newspapers? my understanding was the Pakistanis agreed to let us use the airspace, but fearing civil war would not allow the use of ground troops there. -- -- -- -- -- - -- - -- -- - - - - -- --- -- - - - - -- - - - -- -- - -- - He who does not prefer exile to slavery is not free by any measure of freedom, truth and duty. Kahil Gibran, Spirits Rebellious NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Archibald Bard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 23:08:45 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] US special forces 'land in Pakistan' -Caveat Lector- US special forces 'land in Pakistan' (09/16/2001) (Agencies) Newspapers in Pakistan say foreign troops have already arrived in the country. The Nation reports a special plane carrying over two dozen foreigners landed at the Chakala airbase. The News quotes an eyewitness as saying he saw a small contingent of US troops landing in Islamabad. There is no official confirmation of the reports. The paper says, according to unofficial reports, over 50 personnel from the Special Services Group of the US Marines' Green Seals have landed. It adds they plan to conduct 'target-oriented' operations against Osama bin Laden, prime suspect behind the terrorist strikes in the US. Diplomatic sources have confirmed the arrival of two American aircraft but refused to give further details, the Press Trust Of India reports. The Pakistani Army has taken over Karachi airport and has increased its presence at other airports in the area, according to media reports. It's unclear whether the army takeover is in preparation for a strike against neighbouring Afghanistan. Pakistan is under intense pressure from both the US and Afghanistan's Taliban regime following Tuesday's terrorist attack. AB -- TO KEEP THE PEACE, KEEP YOUR PIECE! AB __ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] U.S. Flag Offensive? (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- [Note. Thanks to the several who forwarded this, see below for email addresses for NCCI, thanks to Chester L McWhorter Sr. - Tony] Monday, September 17 More from TheWire Saturday, September 15 NCCI pulls workers' flags By Phil Galewitz, Palm Beach Post Staff Writer Saturday, September 15, 2001 http://www.gopbi.com/partners/pbpost/epaper/editions/saturday/business_3.html On a day of national mourning and prayer, a Boca Raton company had its managers confiscate some American flags from employees' cubicles, saying other workers might find them offensive. NCCI Holdings Inc., a company that compiles workers compensation insurance data, told its 850 Boca Raton employees that displays of nationalism had no place in the office. Divisive statements or actions, political or religious discussions and anything else that could be divisive or mean different things to different people are not appropriate in our work environment, Chief Executive Officer Bill Schrempf said Friday in a memo to employees. Several employees complained about the flag prohibition. One employee said she was suspended and told to go home Friday morning when she refused to remove a small flag from her desk. The company refused to confirm whether it had asked any employees to leave. It just boggles my mind that here in America or anywhere in America, one would be restricted from displaying it, one employee wrote in an e-mail to Schrempf that also was sent to The Palm Beach Post. Too many people these days, including yourself, it seems, seem to forget what the flag symbolizes and that many men and women served to defend that flag. I think you should show a little more respect. NCCI spokesman Michael Bullard said the company has a long-standing policy of prohibiting employees from bringing political or religious symbols into the workplace. Fewer than 10 flags were removed from cubicles, Bullard said. It seems to me only a small number of people are upset about this, he said. Palm Beach Gardens human resources consultant Rita Craig said companies need to understand that right now, more than ever, people want to celebrate the fact that they're American. Let's face it, this is the United States. Our flag signifies our freedom, Craig said. It's not saying that other countries are bad. Other large Palm Beach County employers, including Delray Beach-based Office Depot and the Palm Beach County School District, allowed their workers to display the flag at their desks. At FPL Group Inc. in Juno Beach, some employees were given small flags, said Pat Davis, a company spokeswoman. At Office Depot, the company sent an e-mail to employees Thursday encouraging them to wear red, white and blue clothing on Friday, said company spokesman Lauren Garvey. NCCI observed a moment of silence at noon Friday, gathering its workers in the headquarters' atrium. The company also has offered to help businesses affected by the terrorist attacks. The attacks at the World Trade Center and Pentagon will generate thousands of workers compensation claims. NCCI said it was not directly affected by Tuesday's terrorist attack, though some employees lost family and friends, Bullard said. Gov. Jeb Bush this week urged all Floridians with flags to fly them. Radio stations and various groups have urged Americans to display the flag this week as a sign of national strength and unity. NCCI is the only Florida company named in the 2001 Best Workplace for Financial Professionals by CFO magazine in its September issue. It was singled out for its quality of work life. NCCI's company practices enable each employee to create for themselves the proper balance of work and family life, CFO said. NCCI provides on-site amenities, including child care, gym and a Starbucks cafe. It also has an employee-community volunteer program and flexible work scheduling. Staff writers Dan Weil, Amy Martinez and Jeff Ostrowski contributed to this story. Via Chester L McWhorter Sr: NCCI Contacts For those of you interested, here is a list of contacts at NCCI, the organization that is confiscating American flags from its employees. have already expressed my outrage to each of them. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Forwarded For Information Purposes Only - Not Necessarily Endorsed By The Sender - A.K. Pritchard] -- A.K. Pritchard The Republican Web pages and email list And to the Repbulic for which it stands http://members.ll.net/chiliast/ God, Guns, Government History http://members.ll.net/chiliast/GGGH/index2.html Republic USA http://www.republicusa.org/ To subscribe to The Republican email list - just ask! [EMAIL PROTECTED] Annoy a Fascist: Just Say No to Gun Control! Annoy a
[CTRL] Mubarak:Why So Many Hate US
-Caveat Lector- September 17, 2001 Mubarak calls for counterterrorism treaty By Arnaud de Borchgrave THE WASHINGTON TIMES http://www.washtimes.com/world/20010917-97599642.htm SHARM-EL-SHEIKH, Egypt -- (SNIP) Asked about the all-consuming hatred of the United States that motivated last week's attacks, Mr. Mubarak said it came from a feeling of injustice --and the root cause is the Middle Eastern crisis. Muslims everywhere see America giving arms to the Israelis to kill Muslims and America not putting any conditions on the arms it gives free to Israel, he said. Muslims see the media taking the side of Israel, whatever it does. Public opinion is seething against an America which continues to support Israel irrespective of [Prime Minister Ariel] Sharon's policies that are designed to prevent the Palestinians from having their own state. Go to all the so-called moderate states in the region, from Jordan to Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates and Oman. Their leaders have told me that their streets are on the verge of boiling over. As for what can be done in the immediate future, Mr. Mubarak said, Both sides in the Palestinian-Israeli crisis should start implementing the U.S.-sponsored Mitchell report, gradually but quickly, withdrawing Israeli tanks and troops from the occupied Palestinian territories. The increasingly desperate Palestinians are encircled. They cannot send their children to school. They cannot feed them. They cannot send them to hospitals. They cannot earn a living. They cannot cannot cannot. So to recruit suicide bombers in such dire circumstances is not difficult. The Egyptian president dismissed such well-known terrorist organizations as Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah and other Palestinian extremist groups as small fry on the world stage that would fade away as soon as the Palestinians get a viable independent state with all of East Jerusalem as their capital. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Never again (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- For an immigration time-out: http://www.projectusa.org/ Never again Issue 95: September 16, 2001 +== TIME OUT PROJECT ==+ Visible from the west-facing windows, the smoke still rises above the place where thousands of our fellow citizens remain buried under the wreckage of the World Trade Center. Horror gives way to anger as the enormity of what has happened sinks in. We feel anger at our enemies, and anger at those who have permitted this to happen. As our nation prepares to retaliate militarily for this gruesome attack, we must remember that one very appropriate way to honor the dead and comfort their loved ones will be to take concrete steps to lessen the chance, to whatever extent possible, of something like this ever happening again. This means, in part, implementing a prudent border policy. Going after terrorists and improving airport security, while important, are not enough; America is vulnerable on many other fronts. Many pro-borders activists can recall the seminal moment when he or she awoke to the serious implications of current immigration policy. For the founder of ProjectUSA, it was walking down a street in Beijing and seeing a poster plastered on a nearby wall that was an advertisement in Chinese for an English language school in Beijing, upon graduation from which the student would receive a free visa to Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada -- the future summer resort city for Beijing. From there, the poster promised, it is easy to get into the United States. May many others find their seminal moments now. __ September 11, hours before the WTC attack, Bill Clinton told an Australian audience that he supported the ultimate wisdom of a borderless world for people and for trade. Read Steve Sailer's great piece (VDARE) The Gods Of The Copybook Headings With Terror And Slaughter Return. http://www.vdare.com/sailer/copybook_headings.htm Fortress North America: It's time for uniform, continental security (Toronto Sun) http://www.canoe.ca/CNEWSAttack010914/fisher.html Terrorists' entry into U.S. shows vulnerability of visa system (Los Angeles Times, 2001) http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/breaking/0915attackvisas15-ON.html INS policies criticized as too lenient toward students (Houston Chronicle) http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/metropolitan/1050338 Chinese researching sensors at USAF lab; Scientists working since 1995 on critical, high-tech RD projects for Pentagon http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=22752 +== TAKE POSITIVE ACTION ==+ It is essential that we do what we can to prevent a recurrence of the September 11th attacks. Policymakers should seriously consider taking these common sense steps: = implement a common security zone with Canada, standardizing point-of-entry procedures and sharing information; = massively beef up security and inspections at the Mexican border and scuttle the hugely reckless plan to open U.S. highways to Mexican trucks -- a plan experts agree will make human smuggling easier; = end the classification of legal permanent residents (LPRs) for military intelligence purposes as U.S. Persons, which practice prevents Intelligence Oversight of LPRs, who are, in fact, still technically foreign citizens; = eliminate student visas since, outside the financial benefit to universities, there is no real reason for them, and the potential downside is enormous; = implement Sec 110, the border-exit system (torpedoed by former Senator Spencer Abraham and former INS Commissioner Doris Meisner) which would greatly aid authorities in tracking tourist (and student) visa overstays, and vigorously pursue and repatriate overstayers; = fully staff Immigration and Naturalization Service operations to authorized levels at all U.S. ports and entry points; = correct the inefficiencies and inaccuracies of the I-94 entry/exit form and make it more user-friendly; = reduce the number of forms and paperwork required to refuse entry at US airports under the ER and I-275 programs; = begin prosecuting U.S. citizens and LPR's who are apprehended attempting to smuggle their family members into the United States; = establish a tamper-proof national identity card that includes biometric information; = drastically curtail the ability of foreign governments and their business fronts to operate in the United States; = withdraw the probably well-intentioned but manifestly foolish House bill H.R. 1996 and Senate bill S. 799 which are intended to prevent racial profiling at U.S. Customs -- we must allow good cops to make fair judgments based on instinct and experience; = reject extension of the fraud-riddled marriage amnesty bill (Sec. 245i), which makes it more difficult for the INS to screen out undesirables since it allows illegal aliens in this country to remain and thereby essentially by-pass normal security checks (which should be improved) at American embassies abroad ; = implement another immigration time-out (H.R. 2712), similar
Re: [CTRL] 5 Israelis detained for `puzzling behavior' after WTC tragedy
-Caveat Lector- Are there any hard facts in this story? in new york, most moving companies are manned by Israeli's who have just come out of the army - they earn money for world travel, while getting time away from being in the army reserves. Everyone pretty much knows most of them are working without permits, and turned a blind eye to it. all I see here are some people were videotaping a spectacular horror, like hundreds if not thousands of others did. They were arrested and released ( after what seems to be an illegal sort of questioning) so what? so now puzzling behavior is illegal? please explain - because I dont get it. -- -- -- -- - -- - -- -- - - - - -- --- -- - - - - -- - - - -- -- - -- - The police aren't here to create disorder, they are here to preserve disorder. Mayor Richard Daley NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 10:26:36 -0300 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] 5 Israelis detained for `puzzling behavior' after WTC tragedy (fwd) -- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 10:49:22 +0200 From: Arjan El Fassed [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AL-AWDA] 5 Israelis detained for `puzzling behavior' after WTC tragedy 5 Israelis detained for `puzzling behavior' after WTC tragedy By Yossi Melman (Ha'aretz, 17 September 2001) Five Israelis who had worked for a moving company based in New Jersey are being held in U.S. prisons for what the Federal Bureau of Investigation has described as puzzling behavior following the terror attack on the World Trade Center in New York last Tuesday. The five are expected to be deported sometime soon. The families of the five, who asked that their names not be released, said that their sons had been questioned by the FBI for hours on end, had been kept in solitary confinement for three days, and had been humiliated, stripped of their clothes and blindfolded. The mother of one of the young men explained the chain of events as she understands it to Ha'aretz: She said that the five had worked for the company, which is owned by an Israeli, for between two months and two years. They had been arrested some four hours after the attack on the Twin Towers while filming the smoking skyline from the roof of their company's building, she said. It appears that they were spotted by one of the neighbors who called the police and the FBI. The mother said that the families and friends of the five in Israel had known nothing of the men's whereabouts for a number of days. When they finally let my son make a phone call for the first time to a friend in the United States two days ago, he told him that he had been tortured by the FBI in a basement, the mother said. He was stripped to his underwear; he was blindfolded and questioned for 14 hours. They thought that because he has citizenship of a European country as well as of Israel that he was working for the Mossad [Israel's secret service]. Seven FBI agents later stormed the apartment of one of the Israelis, searched it and questioned his roommate. The Israeli owner of the company, who has U.S. citizenship, was also questioned. Both men were subsequently released. The families here complained that the Israeli consulate in New York and the situation room set up by the Foreign Ministry there to locate missing Israelis had done nothing to help their sons. The Foreign Ministry told the families that the FBI had denied holding the five and that the consulate had chosen to believe the FBI, the mother said. The five were transferred out of the FBI's facility on Saturday morning and are now being held in two prisons in New Jersey by the Immigration and Naturalization Services. They are charged with illegally residing in the United States and working there without permits. The Foreign Ministry said in response that it had been informed by the consulate in New York that the FBI had arrested the five for puzzling behavior. They are said to have had been caught videotaping the disaster and shouting in what was interpreted as cries of joy and mockery. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
Re: [CTRL] Never again
-Caveat Lector- a strong border policy is about 400 years too late for america -- -- -- -- -- - -- - -- -- - - - - -- --- -- - - - - -- - - - -- -- - -- - Man's mind stretched to a new idea never goes back to its original dimensions. Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 10:38:44 -0300 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Never again (fwd) -Caveat Lector- For an immigration time-out: http://www.projectusa.org/ Never again Issue 95: September 16, 2001 +== TIME OUT PROJECT ==+ Visible from the west-facing windows, the smoke still rises above the place where thousands of our fellow citizens remain buried under the wreckage of the World Trade Center. Horror gives way to anger as the enormity of what has happened sinks in. We feel anger at our enemies, and anger at those who have permitted this to happen. As our nation prepares to retaliate militarily for this gruesome attack, we must remember that one very appropriate way to honor the dead and comfort their loved ones will be to take concrete steps to lessen the chance, to whatever extent possible, of something like this ever happening again. This means, in part, implementing a prudent border policy. Going after terrorists and improving airport security, while important, are not enough; America is vulnerable on many other fronts. Many pro-borders activists can recall the seminal moment when he or she awoke to the serious implications of current immigration policy. For the founder of ProjectUSA, it was walking down a street in Beijing and seeing a poster plastered on a nearby wall that was an advertisement in Chinese for an English language school in Beijing, upon graduation from which the student would receive a free visa to Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada -- the future summer resort city for Beijing. From there, the poster promised, it is easy to get into the United States. May many others find their seminal moments now. __ September 11, hours before the WTC attack, Bill Clinton told an Australian audience that he supported the ultimate wisdom of a borderless world for people and for trade. Read Steve Sailer's great piece (VDARE) The Gods Of The Copybook Headings With Terror And Slaughter Return. http://www.vdare.com/sailer/copybook_headings.htm Fortress North America: It's time for uniform, continental security (Toronto Sun) http://www.canoe.ca/CNEWSAttack010914/fisher.html Terrorists' entry into U.S. shows vulnerability of visa system (Los Angeles Times, 2001) http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/breaking/0915attackvisas15-ON.html INS policies criticized as too lenient toward students (Houston Chronicle) http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/metropolitan/1050338 Chinese researching sensors at USAF lab; Scientists working since 1995 on critical, high-tech RD projects for Pentagon http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=22752 +== TAKE POSITIVE ACTION ==+ It is essential that we do what we can to prevent a recurrence of the September 11th attacks. Policymakers should seriously consider taking these common sense steps: = implement a common security zone with Canada, standardizing point-of-entry procedures and sharing information; = massively beef up security and inspections at the Mexican border and scuttle the hugely reckless plan to open U.S. highways to Mexican trucks -- a plan experts agree will make human smuggling easier; = end the classification of legal permanent residents (LPRs) for military intelligence purposes as U.S. Persons, which practice prevents Intelligence Oversight of LPRs, who are, in fact, still technically foreign citizens; = eliminate student visas since, outside the financial benefit to universities, there is no real reason for them, and the potential downside is enormous; = implement Sec 110, the border-exit system (torpedoed by former Senator Spencer Abraham and former INS Commissioner Doris Meisner) which would greatly aid authorities in tracking tourist (and student) visa overstays, and vigorously pursue and repatriate overstayers; = fully staff Immigration and Naturalization Service operations to authorized levels at all U.S. ports and entry points; = correct the inefficiencies and inaccuracies of the I-94 entry/exit form and make it more user-friendly; = reduce the number of forms and paperwork required to refuse entry at US airports under the ER and I-275 programs; = begin prosecuting U.S. citizens and LPR's who are apprehended attempting to smuggle their family members into the United States; = establish a tamper-proof national identity card that includes biometric information; = drastically curtail the ability of foreign governments and their business fronts to operate in the United States; =
Re: [CTRL] Mubarak:Why So Many Hate US
-Caveat Lector- doesn't America also arm Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Egypt, Yemen, etc? -- Doubt. Doubt thyself. Doubt even if thou doubtest thyself. Doubt all. Doubt even if thou doubtest all. It seems sometimes as if beneath all conscious doubt there lay some deepest certainty. O kill it! Slay the snake! The horn of the Doubt-Goat be exalted Dive deeper, ever deeper, into the Abyss of Mind, until thou unearth the fox THAT. On, hounds! Yoicks! Tally-ho! Bring THAT to bay! Then, wind the Mort! Uncle Al. the kiddies pal NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: flw [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 09:34:23 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Mubarak:Why So Many Hate US -Caveat Lector- September 17, 2001 Mubarak calls for counterterrorism treaty By Arnaud de Borchgrave THE WASHINGTON TIMES http://www.washtimes.com/world/20010917-97599642.htm SHARM-EL-SHEIKH, Egypt -- (SNIP) Asked about the all-consuming hatred of the United States that motivated last week's attacks, Mr. Mubarak said it came from a feeling of injustice --and the root cause is the Middle Eastern crisis. Muslims everywhere see America giving arms to the Israelis to kill Muslims and America not putting any conditions on the arms it gives free to Israel, he said. Muslims see the media taking the side of Israel, whatever it does. Public opinion is seething against an America which continues to support Israel irrespective of [Prime Minister Ariel] Sharon's policies that are designed to prevent the Palestinians from having their own state. Go to all the so-called moderate states in the region, from Jordan to Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates and Oman. Their leaders have told me that their streets are on the verge of boiling over. As for what can be done in the immediate future, Mr. Mubarak said, Both sides in the Palestinian-Israeli crisis should start implementing the U.S.-sponsored Mitchell report, gradually but quickly, withdrawing Israeli tanks and troops from the occupied Palestinian territories. The increasingly desperate Palestinians are encircled. They cannot send their children to school. They cannot feed them. They cannot send them to hospitals. They cannot earn a living. They cannot cannot cannot. So to recruit suicide bombers in such dire circumstances is not difficult. The Egyptian president dismissed such well-known terrorist organizations as Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah and other Palestinian extremist groups as small fry on the world stage that would fade away as soon as the Palestinians get a viable independent state with all of East Jerusalem as their capital. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives
Re: [CTRL] Mubarak:Why So Many Hate US
-Caveat Lector- Can someone name any country other than Israel, that was attacked, won the war, and has to give the land back? Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate William of Occam NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: flw [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 09:34:23 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Mubarak:Why So Many Hate US -Caveat Lector- September 17, 2001 Mubarak calls for counterterrorism treaty By Arnaud de Borchgrave THE WASHINGTON TIMES http://www.washtimes.com/world/20010917-97599642.htm SHARM-EL-SHEIKH, Egypt -- (SNIP) Asked about the all-consuming hatred of the United States that motivated last week's attacks, Mr. Mubarak said it came from a feeling of injustice --and the root cause is the Middle Eastern crisis. Muslims everywhere see America giving arms to the Israelis to kill Muslims and America not putting any conditions on the arms it gives free to Israel, he said. Muslims see the media taking the side of Israel, whatever it does. Public opinion is seething against an America which continues to support Israel irrespective of [Prime Minister Ariel] Sharon's policies that are designed to prevent the Palestinians from having their own state. Go to all the so-called moderate states in the region, from Jordan to Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates and Oman. Their leaders have told me that their streets are on the verge of boiling over. As for what can be done in the immediate future, Mr. Mubarak said, Both sides in the Palestinian-Israeli crisis should start implementing the U.S.-sponsored Mitchell report, gradually but quickly, withdrawing Israeli tanks and troops from the occupied Palestinian territories. The increasingly desperate Palestinians are encircled. They cannot send their children to school. They cannot feed them. They cannot send them to hospitals. They cannot earn a living. They cannot cannot cannot. So to recruit suicide bombers in such dire circumstances is not difficult. The Egyptian president dismissed such well-known terrorist organizations as Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah and other Palestinian extremist groups as small fry on the world stage that would fade away as soon as the Palestinians get a viable independent state with all of East Jerusalem as their capital. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED
[CTRL] Afghanistan: A Nightmare Battlefield
-Caveat Lector- Afghanistan: A Nightmare Battlefield By Molly Moore and Kamran Khan Washington Post Foreign Service Monday, September 17, 2001; Page A01 ISLAMABAD, Pakistan, Sept. 16 -- In a war against Afghanistan, the world's only superpower would be aligning the most sophisticated, high-tech military weaponry ever developed against mud barracks, mountain caves, a few hundred artillery pieces and a savvy foe able to melt into the khaki folds of an already devastated landscape. In all the war-gaming of military academies and Pentagon planners, the U.S. armed forces would be hard-pressed to have invented a more intractable military scenario than waging combat operations in this impoverished, bedraggled land against a radicalized guerrilla force and its most infamous resident -- Saudi fugitive and accused terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden. U.S. officials have pointed to bin Laden as the chief suspect in last week's terror attacks in New York and Washington. Afghanistan is an ethnically fragmented country with some of the most rugged and isolated terrain in the world, an infrastructure that has been almost completely devastated by two decades of continuous war, and a population struggling to survive in the face of drought, famine and endless cycles of violence and bloodshed. Unlike the multinational coalition attacks on Belgrade and Baghdad over the last decade, fought with high-precision weapons aimed at selected targets, there are few major command and control networks to be hit in Afghanistan, where guerrilla battles are usually fought with artillery barrages and mortar fire. Neither requires the sophisticated orchestration of First World combat. The militant Islamic Taliban movement, which controls more than 90 percent of the country, has amassed an eclectic arsenal of aging tanks and other equipment left over from the Soviet Union's failed occupation. It also nabbed some overused aircraft from various warring Afghan factions defeated since the Taliban began its takeover of Afghanistan in 1994. More recently, new weapons, mostly automatic rifles, machine guns and mortars, have been supplied by bin Laden and other wealthy Saudi benefactors. The U.S. military learned during the Persian Gulf War that months of bombing destroyed only a fraction of the Iraqi military hardware arrayed across a flat desert, a lesson that could apply to Afghanistan as well. Carrying out large-scale bombing of Afghanistan would be a mistake, Nikolai Kovalyov, former head of the Russian Federal Security Service, a successor agency to the KGB, said in an interview in Moscow. We must learn from the lessons of history -- we have not been able to solve the problems of terrorism by large-scale bombing. Vice President Cheney today identified Afghanistan as a possible target for a reprisal attack. The government of Afghanistan has to understand that we believe they have, indeed, been harboring a man who committed and whose organization committed this most egregious act, Cheney said of the airplane attacks on the Pentagon and the World Trade Center. But there are enormous logistical hurdles to an attack on the Taliban and bin Laden. In Afghanistan, U.S. surveillance satellites will see no sizable power grids, no vast military bases, no major bridges and highway networks as targets: There are none. Special forces would land in a war zone that has changed little from the desert country of nomadic tribes and medieval-looking villages British troops invaded more than two centuries ago. Land forces, with virtually no access to local supplies, would be treading through one of the most densely mined countries on the globe amid a hostile population. While Pakistan has given the United States permission to use its airspace for missile assaults and aerial bombardment of Afghanistan, the easiest military targets already have disappeared, according to Pakistan intelligence reports. The Taliban has emptied its training bases, arms depots, command and government headquarters and has scattered its military hardware. Bin Laden has gone into even deeper hiding than usual and has dispatched his family members to a variety of locations, Pakistani intelligence sources said. The U.S. military failed to kill bin Laden on a previous attempt in 1998 when it launched missile attacks on his training bases and suspected hide-outs in Afghanistan in the aftermath of two U.S. embassy bombings in Africa. The problems of locating useful targets and destroying them in air assaults would pale when compared with the complexity of trying to land special forces or send ground troops into the country, according to U.S. and Pakistani military planners. The first mistake would be a large-scale land operation, said former Russian security chief Kovalyov. In the mountains there, it is impossible to determine where or what to destroy. For every trainful of explosives, perhaps three guerrillas at most will die. The country
Re: [CTRL] Never again [1/2]
-Caveat Lector- From: foxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re: [CTRL] Never again Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 10:12:49 -0400 Organization: self MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_00CE_01C13F61.4E065520 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --=_NextPart_000_00CE_01C13F61.4E065520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Right. Our weak border policy shows our freedom of fear from others. We let = people cross and we knew we did. Whether that is wise or not is for = history to judge. - Original Message -=20 From: thew=20 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]=20 Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Never again -Caveat Lector- a strong border policy is about 400 years too late for america -- -- -- -- -- - -- - -- -- - - - - -- --- -- - - - - -- - - = - -- -- - -- - Man's mind stretched to a new idea never goes back to its original dimensions. Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 10:38:44 -0300 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Never again (fwd) -Caveat Lector- For an immigration time-out: http://www.projectusa.org/ Never again Issue 95: September 16, 2001 +=3D=3D TIME OUT PROJECT =3D=3D+ Visible from the west-facing windows, the smoke still rises above = the place where thousands of our fellow citizens remain buried under the wreckage of the World Trade Center. Horror gives way to anger as the enormity of what has happened sinks in. We feel anger at our enemies, and anger at those who have = permitted this to happen. As our nation prepares to retaliate militarily for this gruesome = attack, we must remember that one very appropriate way to honor the dead and comfort their loved ones will be to take concrete steps to lessen = the chance, to whatever extent possible, of something like this ever happening again. This means, in part, implementing a prudent border policy. Going = after terrorists and improving airport security, while important, are not enough; America is vulnerable on many other fronts. Many pro-borders activists can recall the seminal moment when he or = she awoke to the serious implications of current immigration policy. For the founder of ProjectUSA, it was walking down a street in = Beijing and seeing a poster plastered on a nearby wall that was an = advertisement in Chinese for an English language school in Beijing, upon = graduation from which the student would receive a free visa to Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada -- the future summer resort city for Beijing. From there, the poster promised, it is easy to get into = the United States. May many others find their seminal moments now. __ September 11, hours before the WTC attack, Bill Clinton told an Australian audience that he supported the ultimate wisdom of a borderless world for people and for trade. Read Steve Sailer's great piece (VDARE) The Gods Of The Copybook Headings With Terror And Slaughter = Return. http://www.vdare.com/sailer/copybook_headings.htm Fortress North America: It's time for uniform, continental security (Toronto Sun) http://www.canoe.ca/CNEWSAttack010914/fisher.html Terrorists' entry into U.S. shows vulnerability of visa system (Los Angeles Times, 2001) = http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/breaking/0915attackvisas15-ON.html= INS policies criticized as too lenient toward students (Houston Chronicle) http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/metropolitan/1050338 Chinese researching sensors at USAF lab; Scientists working since = 1995 on critical, high-tech RD projects for Pentagon http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=3D22752 +=3D=3D TAKE POSITIVE ACTION =3D=3D+ It is essential that we do what we can to prevent a recurrence of = the September 11th attacks. Policymakers should seriously consider = taking these common sense steps: =3D implement a common security zone with Canada, standardizing point-of-entry procedures and sharing information; =3D massively beef up security and inspections at the Mexican = border and scuttle the hugely reckless plan to open U.S. highways to Mexican = trucks -- a plan experts agree will make human smuggling easier; =3D end the classification of legal permanent residents (LPRs) for military intelligence purposes as U.S.
Re: [CTRL] Never again [2/2]
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[CTRL] [Spy News] Terrorist attacks in US - Intelligence memo points to Mossad link
-Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 05:26:48 +0200 From: Mario Profaca [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [Spy News] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Spy News] Terrorist attacks in US - Intelligence memo points to Mossad link Terrorist attacks in US - Intelligence memo points to Mossad link http://frontierpost.com.pk/main.asp?id=8date1=9/16/2001 Shahid Ahmed Qureshi Frontier Post, Pakistan Updated on 9/16/2001 12:15:20 PM LONDON: A US military intelligence source revealed details of an internal intelligence memo that points to the Israeli Mossad intelligence service having links to the World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks. The intelligence source, who requested his name be withheld, confirmed the internal US intelligence memo circulated four weeks ago described information that pointed to the threat of a covert Israeli operation on US soil to turn mass public opinion against Palestinian Arabs via an apparent terrorist attack on US interests that would give Israel the green light to implement a large scale military onslaught against the Palestinian Arab population. The 11 September attack has been described by experts as being too sophisticated for a lone terrorist group to execute. This attack required a high level of military precision and the resources of an advanced intelligence agency. In addition, the attackers would have needed to be extremely familiar with both air force one flight operations, civil airline flight paths and aerial assault tactics on sensitive US cities like Washington, Stated David Stern an expert on Israeli intelligence operations. The attacks targeted the Pentagon, World Trade Center towers, with the White House and air force also being targets according to the FBI. The attacks have certainly turned US public opinion firmly back in Israel's favour after 11 months of Palestinian uprising, heavy criticism of Israel over war crimes allegations and racism by a UN conference in Durban. The attacks serve no Arab group or nation's interests but their timing came in the midst of international condemnation of Israel for its policy of death squad assassination of Palestinian political and police figures, added Stern. If verified, the news of Israel's involvement in the US attack welcome as no surprise to intelligence experts. The state of Israel has a long history of covert operations against Western targets with attacks on the King David Hotel, USS Liberty, murder of a Scandinavian UN envoy as well as espionage against the US during the Jonathan Pollard case. On Wednesday the US defence Department issued a warning to its officials to halt the leak of information on the investigation which it says is happening on a daily basis since the attacks occurred. --- Messages to Mario Profaca may be published at Mario's Cyberspace Station (http://mprofaca.cro.net/mainmenu.html) or/and forwarded to its associated Spy News list (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spynews) Please do indicate if your message is not intended for this. FYI: This mail sent by Mario Profaca is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.280 / Virus Database: 147 - Release Date: 11. 09. 01 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/MDsVHB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/TySplB/TM -~- == SPY NEWS is OSINT newsletter and discussion list associated to Mario's Cyberspace Station http://mprofaca.cro.net/mainmenu.html == *** NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to SPYNEWS eGroup members who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml --- SPY NEWS home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spynews To change your subscription mode to Daily Digest (one message a day) send a blank message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe SPYNEWS send a blank message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Mario Profaca, independent journalist, SPY NEWS eGroup list owner, editor moderator, is a member of of the Committee of Concerned Journalists, an initiative administered through the offices of the Project for Excellence in Journalism in Washington, D.C. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and
[CTRL] Fwd: [MC] New Powers Sought for Surveillance
PRE Should You Check Your Credit Report? Of course! We all check our credit card statements for inaccuracies and we should do the same for our credit history. Click here now to check yours FOR FREE at ConsumerInfo.Com! A HREF= http://click.topica.com/caaadbubz8QXLbAgkRya/ConsumerInfo http://click.topica.com/caaadbubz8QXLbAgkRya/ConsumerInfo/A /PRE New Powers Sought for Surveillance By Walter Pincus and Dan Eggen Washington Post Staff Writers Monday, September 17, 2001; Page A01 Bush administration officials said yesterday that they are considering lifting a 25-year-old ban on U.S. involvement in foreqign assassinations and loosening restrictions on FBI surveillance, part of an escalating war on terrorism in the wake of Tuesday's attacks on Washington and New York. The Justice Department plans to send a wide-ranging set of proposals to Capitol Hill this week that would include more power to conduct wiretaps, detain foreigners and track money-laundering cases, administration officials said. There are areas of our laws and procedures which give us better tools against organized crime, against illegal gambling, for example, than we have against terrorists, said Attorney General John D. Ashcroft, who briefed top lawmakers yesterday on the proposals. We need to make sure that we provide the maximum capacity against terrorists in the United States. Vice President Cheney said yesterday that CIA field officers may be allowed to recruit and pay overseas agents linked to terrorist groups and human rights abuses, saying it was necessary to infiltrate suspected terrorist cells. If you're only going to work with officially approved, certified good guys, you are not going to find out what the bad guys are doing, Cheney said on NBC's Meet the Press. It is a mean, nasty, dangerous, dirty business out there, and we have to operate in that arena. In addition, Sen. Bob Graham (D-Fla.), chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said he would introduce a counterterrorism package next week that would create a counterterrorism czar inside the White House, establish authority for the CIA to recruit unsavory agents and expand the intelligence community's ability to translate intercepted messages in Arabic, Farsi and other languages used within suspected terrorist circles. The flurry of proposals marks a dramatic expansion of the Bush administration's efforts to track down those who helped plot Tuesday's deadly assaults, in which more than 5,000 were believed killed after hijacked jetliners crashed into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and the Pennsylvania countryside. But the proposals could also significantly weaken protections of privacy and civil liberties, advocates of civil liberties said yesterday. Secretary of State Colin L. Powell said the administration was reviewing an executive order issued by President Gerald R. Ford in 1976 that bans U.S. personnel from engaging in, or conspiring to engage in, assassinations. Some intelligence and terrorism experts have advocated assassinating Osama bin Laden, the exiled Saudi millionaire who lives in hiding in Afghanistan and has been named the prime suspect in last week's attacks. Powell said on CNN that we are examining everything: how the CIA does its work, how the FBI and Justice Department does its work, are there laws that need to be changed and new laws brought into effect to give us more ability to deal with this kind of threat. . . . Everything is under review. Ashcroft said one of the Justice Department's proposals would allow the department to seek authority to eavesdrop on any phone used by a suspect in a foreign intelligence case, rather than getting wiretap orders for each individual telephone number. In an era of cell phones, Ashcroft said, it simply doesn't make sense to have the surveillance authority associated with the hardware or with the phone instead of with the person or the terrorist. The proposals provoked immediate criticism yesterday from civil liberties advocates, who accused the administration of using Tuesday's tragedy to erode constitutional protections. David Cole, a law professor at Georgetown University, said there is no evidence that legal restrictions on the FBI, CIA or other federal agencies helped the hijackers evade detection. Two of the hijackers were on an FBI watch list for two weeks before the attacks, and most of the 19 men reportedly purchased their tickets in their own names through the Internet. The reality is that the FBI already has tremendous power, Cole said. We have to be careful about giving the FBI or INS or anyone else greater powers unless they can show they really need those powers. Several lawmakers vowed to be measured in their response. We will give the government the tools it needs to deal with the guilty, said House Majority Leader Richard K. Armey (R-Tex.). But we will
[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Simplistic, unhistorical drivel?
--- Brian Downing Quig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fletcher Prouty and Theodore Hershel believed that the oil would keep those in the Middle East fighting. Do you find them simplistic, unhistorical or driveling? Hershel, who was the Father of the Jewish Homeland, did not want it located in Palestine because he said already tortured Jews would have no peace there because of the oil. He advocated the Sudan where there is also ancient Jewish history and a vigorous Jewish faith today. I have many African friends who are Coptic Christians, who are essentially Jewish Christians. But I am not talking about beliefs. I am saying economic motives supersede beliefs and the latter are given in the news and diplomacy only as excuses to conceal ugly economic motives. I have Fletcher Prouty's article THE MID EAST CAULDRON which was referred to earlier. I could not find it on the exceptional site http://www.prouty.org but I know it is included on the Prouty CE. If someone else has this please post it now. Eretz-Israel, birthplace of the Jewish people, was proclaimed the independent State of Israel on May 14,1948. On the next day war broke out between Israel and it's Arab neighbors. During that same year Israel closed the mammoth Iraqi oil pipeline at it's Meriterrarean terminus in Haifa. This shut off the oil being exported from the enormous oil fields of Kirkuk, in Iraq. This was an omen of enormous significance of things to happen in years to come. In fact, this may be true reason for the origin of this barrier nation at that crucial time. Because this most important oil pipeline from Iraq transited territory claimed by the new State, Israel could claim the option to charge Iraq for transit fees; or to dent the right of passage altogether. Israel choose the latter and demonstrated to the world the power of the strategies barrier role of the non-producing states among those that do. This action was not without precedent in the Middle East, for the same commercial reasons, and with somewhat similar earth-shaking results. The Turkish army, under Mohammed II, captured Contstantinople and ended the East Roman Empire in 1463. Within a few years the victorious Turks had virtually closed the vital spice trade routes between the merchants of Europe and the Far East. The transit costs charged by the Turks for caravan passage were so exorbitant that European merchants banded together to finance such voyages as that of Christopher Columbus in 1492. They had to discover an alternative route to the Far East sources of spices. Without refrigeration, spices were a necessity to the Europeans for the preservation of food. Israel's action in closing the pipeline along the paths of those ancient trade routes in 1948 forced the oil producers to turn to super-tankers for the transport of oil from sites in the Persian Gulf region around the Cape of Good Hope to their principal markets in Europe... extra thousands of miles. The significance of this politically inspired dynamite was not overlooked in the Board Rooms of the Seven Sisters oil companies and the oil producing nations. From that day on, the pipeline networks of the Middle East were vulnerable to Israeli attacks, and the new State of Israel had become a willing pawn in the biggest game of all... the battle for money and power. This action proved that a closed pipeline almost always meant immediate higher prices for oil. That was 1948. On his way home from the Yalta Conference in Feb. 1945, at the height of World War II action, President Franklin D. Roosevelt met with King `Abdal-`Aziz al Sa'ud (Ibn Saud) aboard the US Navy cruiser Quincy in the Red Sea. Earlier, Roosevelt had directed construction of a 50,000 barrel per day refinery at Ras Tanura in 1943... during the Cairo Conference... to assure Saudi Arabian oil availability during World War II. Although the pursuit of victory was uppermost in the President's mind in 1943, he knew only too well that the Allies could not win the war, and the peace thereafter, without oil, and Saudia Arabia meant oil in boundless amounts. During 1945, before the end of WWII, Texaco and Socal (Standard Oil of California), working on a war-time accelerated basis, had organized the Trans-Arabian Pipeline Company known as TAPLINE. It was said at that time that the planning of the route of this strategic pipeline involved difficult diplomacy because of the mounting tension between Arabs and Jews. The pipeline planners feared Jewish interference with the vital operation of that crucial pipeline if it's route was designed to cross on, or near, potential Jewish territory... even in 1945. (Source: The Seven Sisters by Anthony Samson). This was a grave threat in time of war from a source that ought to have been cooperative. Actually, construction of TAPLINE was halted by the first Arab-Israeli war in 1948, until an alternative route avoiding Israel could be found. Finally, in 1948, Syria and
Re: [CTRL] Never again [1/2]
-Caveat Lector- can you send whatever these are as text and not attachments please? we are not all on the same sorts of systems here Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate William of Occam NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: foxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: self Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 10:12:49 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Never again [1/2] A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [2] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Simplistic, unhistorical drivel?
In the first place, there is no oil of any commercial quantity in Israel - this fight is over land, not oil. And I never said I thought the Israelis were all right and the Palestinians all wrong - that is simplisitic. What I said was that I thought it was idiotic, given the history, to one-sidedly blame the Israelis. They did everything they could in 1947 to avoid confronting the regional Arab coalition that publicly aimed to finsh the job Hitler started. They accepted UN Res 242 which gave nearly 70% of the land to the Palestinians. But peace was not an option the nazi-led Palestinians were willing to consider - their leading doves having been slaughtered by the Grand Mufti in 1937. So Israel fought. What was left was - not Palestine, but Jordan. The Jordanians ruled the Palestinians from 1948-1967, and Palestinian independence was not an option. This has always been a regional struggle - the Israelis and the Palestinians never faced each other in isolation - in 1967 Israel conquered Jordan, not Palestine, and Black September of 1970 happened in Jordan, at the hands of the Jordanian Army, not the Israeli. It is true that the Palestinians ARE a nation, but it is equally true that they never WERE a nation. I criticized the Palestinains for not engaging the Israelis poltically, for not taking the chance to demilitarize, that is, to polticize this struggle - it is in the poltical arena that they have a chance to win. Their fascism has always been a major impediment to them. I have also criticized the expansionist Israeli settler movement as strategically insane, from the Israeli perpective. Next, his name was Theodor (Binyamin Ze'ev) Herzl, not Hershel. Herzl convened and chaired the First Zionist Congress in Basle, Switzerland, on August 29-31, 1897, the first interterritorial gathering of Jews on a national and secular basis. Here the delegates adopted the Basle Program, the program of the Zionist movement, and declared Zionism seeks to establish a home for the Jewish people in Palestine secured under public law. At the Congress the Zionist Organization was established as the political arm of the Jewish people, and Herzl was elected its first president. Theodor Herzl, the visionary of Zionism, was born in Budapest in 1860. He was educated in the spirit of the German-Jewish Enlightenment of the period, learning to appreciate secular culture. In 1878 the family moved to Vienna, and in 1884 Herzl was awarded a doctorate of law from the University of Vienna. He became a writer, a playwright and a journalist. He was the Paris correspondent of the influential liberal Vienna newspaper Neue Freie Presse. Herzl concluded that anti-Semitism was a stable and immutable factor in Christian society, which assimilation did not solve. He mulled over the idea of Jewish sovereignty, and, despite ridicule from Jewish leaders, published Der Judenstaat (The Jewish State, 1896). Herzl proposed a practical program for collecting funds from Jews around the world by a company to be owned by stockholders, which would work towards the practical realization of this goal - called the Zionist Organization. He saw the future state as a model social state, basing his ideas on the European model of the time, of a modern enlightened society. It would be neutral and peace-seeking, and of a secular nature. In his Zionist novel, Altneuland (Old New Land, 1902), Herzl pictured the future Jewish state as a socialist utopia. He envisioned a new society that was to rise in the Land of Israel on a cooperative basis utilizing science and technology in the development of the Land. Herzl's ideas were met with enthusiasm by the Jewish masses in Eastern Europe, although Jewish leaders were less ardent. Still, Herzl convened and chaired the First Zionist Congress in Basle, Switzerland, on August 29-31, 1897. In the same year, Herzl founded the Zionist weekly Die Welt and began activities to obtain a charter for Jewish settlement in Palestine. Herzl traveled to Palestine and Istanbul in 1898 to meet with Kaiser Wilhelm II of Germany and the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire. When these efforts proved fruitless, he turned to Great Britain, and met with Joseph Chamberlain, the British colonial secretary and others. The only concrete offer he received from the British was the proposal of a Jewish autonomous region in east Africa, in Uganda, not Sudan. The 1903 Kishinev pogrom and the difficult state of Russian Jewry was witnessed firsthand by Herzl during a visit to Russia (my great, great uncle became world famous for single-handedly killing four Cossacks in one of the related pograms, in 1905, and living to tell about - my grandmother proudly showed me the old Yiddish newspaper photos of her very battle-scarred uncle - sword wounds all over his face and body). Herzl proposed the British Uganda Program to the Sixth Zionist Congress (1903) as a temporary refuge for Jews in Russia in immediate danger. While Herzl made it clear that
[CTRL] Fw: LONG LIVE THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
I had written them last night via their site, www.ncci.com I am the type of person who doesn't do much in the way of action. Je suis couch potato. But this irrited the HELL out of me. Please post any reply/backpedalling or the like that management of this company does, I'd hate to think that an American company would have such an atmosphere. I can see the heat of the moment, all that, but if they don't renege they are worse than non grata in my book. - Original Message - From: foxter To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 10:24 AM Subject: LONG LIVE THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA I urge you to ask management ofyour company to reverse its actions in banning flags on its premises. NCCI is about to be made the laughingstock of this country and a target for hatred. I know I at this time hold it in the highest of contempt for this action. What NCCI managers have done is heinous and unforgiveable. If I do not hear of a change of heart I am going to try my best to boycott NCCI products, and have others do so, too, in hopes that your company will go out of business. I am not blaming anyone individually except the one(s) at the top who gave this order and any who acted on their own to carry out such a heinous initiative. I do hope that, just as the WTC tragedy has brought this entire country together it will galvanize NCCI employees to stand up for the liberty they have in our borders. Until then, I don't see that any NCCI employee can trust its management for any reason whatsoever. As he died to make men holy,Let us die to make men free GOD, BLESS AMERICA
[CTRL] Fwd: amazing facts we never knew
http://www.saudi-binladin-group.com/ is a commercial website and it belongs to our terrorist guy's father. And here's the ultimate factoid. These very Arabs BINLADIN bailed out GEORGE BUSH SENIOR ---lending our prexy 5 BILLION DOLLARS a few years back, when his oil company belly upped. Binladin --apparently the way the family spells the name -- is the Saudi equivalent of Brown and Root, the Texas oil construction firm that broke into the financial big time by contracts for base construction during the Vietnam War, or Dick Cheney's Halliburton. Just heard this from Mike Novick's free newsletter. Look him up, very reputable researcher. Do a search on his name. NEXT: something writtten by an American PHD The New War-ld Order (America's New War) (© Copyright 2001. All Rights Reserved.) by Richard Sauder, PhD http://www.sauderzone.com/samizdat2.htm [EMAIL PROTECTED] (but his name is SAUDER and he's American) 16 September 2001 I suppose it was inevitable that the New World Order would turn out to actually be the New War-ld Order. And that George Bush, Jr. would promote himself to be War-ld Leader.Lord help us. I want to underscore at the outset that it goes without saying that the assault on the World Trade Center was horrific. As I watched the plane slam into the tower, people jumping to their death from hundreds of feet up, and then both of the towers crumbling, I found myself saying, How bizarre.And then, My God. Thousands of people just died. I was rendered speechless. The event was so far out of my experience that I watched it in numb disbelief. The numbness persists. But in this novocaine-like numbness several thoughts have kept coming to the fore of my mind. Let me set them out for you. I ask that you reflect on them soberly. I believe you may see some truth in what I say -- perhaps a great deal more truth than in the so-called official pronouncements you hear and see in the major news media outlets these last few days. 1.This was an extremely sophisticated operation. More than one observer has mentioned its almost military efficiency --as if it had the backing of a well-oiled intelligence machine behind it. My question: was a well-oiled intelligence machine behind it? Are we seeing a massive intelligence operation, with considerable resources behind it? Are we really to believe that one man in a turban on the other side of the planet is the major driving force behind this? Or might the source of this very sophisticated conspiracy lie much closer to home, right in the United States itself? As I recall, bin Laden got his start as an indirect (or was it direct?) CIA-asset, as a mujahadin warrior fighting against the Soviet Army during their abortive 10-year invasion of Afghanistan. Question: is bin Laden still a CIA-asset today? Does the CIA use him and his followers as a mercenary force on cut-out operations where they need plausible deniability? (See other one where his father has ties to BUSH SR) Like say, for a massive, staged-for-TV terrorist operation on American soil? Don't lash out at me for posing the question. THINK. 2.I have read that the plane that struck the Pentagon first flew toward/near/over the White House, before veering away and over the Potomac to the Pentagon. The White House has defenses for PRECISELY this type of event. Why were they not activated? Was the plane expected? Or did it receive other, um, flight instructions en route? THINK. 3. The White House issued a statement saying that there was credible evidence that the hijackers had access to secret codes and information concerning the presidential jet, Air Force One, such that George Bush, Jr. fled first to Louisiana and then to Nebraska, before returning to Washington, DC at the end of the day. If this statement is true, then that presupposes that this attack may have roots that extend into the most secret levels of the Executive branch of the United States government. Those codes are very closely held. I don't have them and neither do you. Yet we have been led to believe by the Bush White House that the hijackers somehow may have had them. How is this possible? Could the conspiracy extend into the Federal Government itself? (It occurs to me that the White House's assertion that the hijackers had access to TOP SECRET codes might also be false, in order to make George Jr.'s day on the run appear less, shall we say, cowardly, and more, er, presidential. If so that would then call the truthfulness of other statements and pronouncements made that same day into question. So -- we are ineluctably faced either with deceit and lies by the White House, or with a conspiracy that may reach very deep indeed into the United States government itself-- or maybe both!) THINK. 4.Are we looking at some kind of coup d'etat in progress? Look at the two major targets that were hit: the nerve center of the American military (The Pentagon) and the nerve center of the American economy (Lower Manhattan). You
Re: [CTRL] The war was prepared in advance.
-Caveat Lector- I think the key to this scenario from 1895 is in the genealogy of Teddy's friend and primary supporter, Senator Henry Cabot Lodge, who was a descendant of the Cabot shipping family of Bristol, England, previously of the Caboto family of Genoa, who started the prototype of contracting with the British government to explore and exploit newly discovered foreign lands to enrich the Crown's treasury. This prototype can be traced through American history through the Cabot line to the Kennedy assassination. It's also very interesting that the National Technology Transfer Center, located near the Cabot Corporation headquarters in West Virginia, until recently had a home page of http://iridium.nttc.edu/gov/other/tech.html It must have been one of the few users of the Iridium satellites launched with investments worldwide, including a large investment by the brother of Osama bin Laden, who, incidentally, had his own satellite phone. Notice that the Cabot Industrial Trust and Cabot Microelectronics were investors in the Iridium communications syndicate, along with the Saudi Binladin companies. Also that the man who put together the plan to steal the assets and intellectual property of the debt-ridden Iridium LLC and buy it out from a consortium of investors including Binladin, is Dan Colussy, former CEO of Pan Am Airlines, which went bankrupt in 1988 after the bombing of Pan Am 103-- which conspiracy theorists allege was bombed over a drug turf war. Pan Am had been founded by Juan Trippe, whose family had been old world merchant shippers in the Far East. (opium ) Trippe hired Lindbergh as a consultant, or possibly to help raise funds for the airline, since the famous pilot was married to the daughter of Dwight Whitney Morrow, the lawyer who worked for J.P. Morgan interests, so involved in financing for South America and the Far East. What's interesting is how quickly the destruction of the WTC has increased the fortune and prospects of the new Iridium. Linda Minor http://www.cabotcmp.com/directors_officers.htm#Skates Cabot Microelectronics -- directors and officers Directors MATTHEW NEVILLE was elected Chairman of the Board of our company in March 2001. He has served as our President and Chief Executive Officer since December 1999 and at that time was elected a director of our company. Mr. Neville has served as a Vice President of Cabot since 1997 and as General Manager of our company since 1996. From 1983 to 1996, Mr. Neville held various positions at Cabot, including Director of Research and Development for the Cabot's Cab-O-Sil Division. Mr. Neville received his Ph.D. in Chemical Engineering from Massachusetts Institute of Technology. KENNETT BURNES was elected a director of our company in March 2001. Since December 1999, he served as our Chairman of the Board. He was named Chief Executive Officer of Cabot Corporation in March 2001. He has served as Cabot's Chief Operating Officer since 1996 and Cabot's President since 1995. He was elected a director of Cabot in 1992. Before joining Cabot in 1987, Burnes was a partner at Choate, Hall Steward, a Boston-based law firm, where he practiced corporate and business law for nearly 20 years. He received both his bachelor and law degrees from Harvard University. SAMUEL BODMAN was elected a director of our company in December 1999. He has served as Cabots Chairman and Chief Executive Officer since 1988. Before joining Cabot, Bodman was President, Chief Operating Officer and a director of FMR Corp., the holding company overseeing all activities of Fidelity Investments. Bodman received his Ph.D. in chemical engineering from Massachusetts Institute of Technology. In addition to serving on Cabots board, Bodman serves on the boards of John Hancock Mutual Life Insurance Company, Security Capital Group Incorporated, Thermo Electron Corporation and Westvaco Corporation. WILLIAM NOGLOWS was elected a director of our company in January 2000. He has served as an Executive Vice President of Cabot since 1998 and serves as Director of Global Manufacturing and General Manager of Carbon Black. From 1984 to 1998, he held various positions at Cabot, including General Manager of Cabots Cab-O-Sil Division and Managing Director of Cabot Australia. Noglows received his bachelor's degree from Georgia Institute of Technology. JUAN ENRIQUEZ-CABOT was elected a director of our company in April 2000. Since August 1997, Enriquez-Cabot has been a researcher at Harvard Universitys David Rockefeller Center. From August 1996 to August 1997, he was a senior researcher at Harvard Business School. From June 1996 to August 1997, he was a fellow at Harvard Universitys Center for International Affairs. From June 1994 through June 1996, he was a director of Democracy and Development, a research institution in Mexico City, Mexico. He received both his bachelor's and MBA degrees from Harvard University. JOHN FRAZEE, JR. was elected a director of our company
Re: [CTRL] U.S. Flag Offensive? (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Here are email addresses for the NCCI offices in Boca Raton, Fl in an easier to deal with format: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Also, thanks to J.L. Abbott, here is the company toll free number, and snail mail address: Customer Service, 800 NCCI 1-2-3 Fax: 561- 893-1191 To Mail: NCCI Holdings, Inc. 901 Peninsula Corporate Circle Boca Raton, FL 33487 Thanks to list member: J.L. Abbott Combat Air Support Viet Nam 1967 For those who missed it the original article title and URL are as follows: NCCI pulls workers' flags By Phil Galewitz, Palm Beach Post Staff Writer Saturday, September 15, 2001 http://www.gopbi.com/partners/pbpost/epaper/editions/saturday/business_3.html Tony -- A.K. Pritchard The Republican Web pages and email list And to the Repbulic for which it stands http://members.ll.net/chiliast/ God, Guns, Government History http://members.ll.net/chiliast/GGGH/index2.html Republic USA http://www.republicusa.org/ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] antidrug extremists burn refusenik fire's fuel
Nobody will join hands with Taleban's burning of CIA poppies by rude pyro-tourists. According to Landsale's doctrine, rude tourists have comsumed some of the drugwar refuseniks' fire's fuel. Bin Laden and Taleban's revolutionary anti-fake-drugwar is designed to weary the people like Duc d'Orleans' and Jeremy Bentham's French Revolution. Roger Bunn wrote: This is really old stuff. He was killed a while ago. Masud was mortally wounded 48 hours before the tourist attack. He died five days after the acts of rude tourism by a self-righteous fundamentalist cult, which were counter- productive to peaceful efforts to expose and resist quasi- religious fake drugwar witch-hunt hypocrisy and hysteria. Taleban hysteria confronts fake drugwar colonialist hysteria like two walls of fire converging to devour popular emotion and attention, according to the rhetoric and weird poli sci of Edward Lansdale, father of stupid looking CIA scorched earth pop cult management. CIA sold out foreign policy for heroin in Vietnam and Afghanistan and for cocaine in Nicaragua and Plan Columbia. The Albanian Kosovars paid with heroin, too. Money talks, nobody walks, which means clientitis is not disinterested. Please don't call what you do for a living 'American intelligence' . SO, were those fireworks in Kabul Tuesday night a struggle to decide if Bin Laden would stay in position? Who won? Best guess is yes. The political face of Pakistan is demanding that Taliban turn Bin Laden over, but their mil intels handling mujahideen always favored Hekmatyar over Masud, so helping to get Masud out of the way indicates strategic pre-planning and is historically consistent. CIA has the excuse that they gave all the Stingers and aid to Pak ISI, and then it was the Paks who favored Hekmatyar, which got us Najib and Taleban and Bin Laden, but typically CIA chooses the singularly wrong man in a situation, which meant Hekmatyar, causing a scorched earth situation resulting in a whole string of disappointing figures such as Hekmatyar in government, Najibullah recycled, Taleban, in place of Masud the merit-based choice for general and working toward civilian government. Finally he was assassinated. CIA sold out foreign policy for heroin, simple as that. Ironically Taleban resists fake drugwar, but they attacked soft targets. Look at resistance to fake drugwar as any issue where there is thoughtful and peaceful resistance, then the extremists come in and demonize the movement and support goes away. Nobody is going to join hands with Taleban in burning of CIA poppies by rude pyro-tourists. According to Landsale's doctrine, rude tourists have comsumed some of the drugwar refuseniks' fire's fuel. Taleban corresponds to Serbia, bin Laden as little Slobo, and CIA can find an Afghan dissident group that can pay in heroin just like the Albanian Kosovars. We're being told that it will be a long war, as long as poppies grow. Dunno, but if i was on the offensive, I would take care of any opposition at home at the same time as I suprised the foreign market. 48 hours earlier. -Bob Rr -Original Message- From: bob [mailto:bob]On Behalf Of Bob Sent: 16 September 2001 08:32 Subject: Afghan alt mil leader Masud injured Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FONT COLOR=#99FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! /FONTA HREF=http://us.click.yahoo.com/47cccB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/xYTolB/TM;BClick Here!/B/A -~- Please let us stay on topic and be civil. To unsubscribe please go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs -Home Page- www.cia-drugs.org OM Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[CTRL] FC: Canada's B'nai Brith calls for Net-censorship after attacks (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,46861,00.html Attacks Spur Canada Web Concern By Charles Mandel 2:00 a.m. Sep. 15, 2001 PDT TORONTO, Canada -- The Jewish group B'nai Brith Canada is calling for stricter regulation of hate-related material on the Internet following Tuesday's terrorist attacks in New York and Washington. The executive vice president of B'nai Brith Canada, Frank Dimant, alerted the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) and the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) in late August about a posting on a website that originated out of Montreal and invited people to join Afghani terrorist camps linked to Osama bin Laden, according to B'nai Brith Canada. Now, especially after media reports have suggested that Montreal and Halifax may have been meeting points for a number of the terrorists involved in the attack, B'nai Brith Canada is stepping up its efforts to get legislation passed to ban such Web activity. [...] - POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if you include this notice. Declan McCullagh's photographs are at http://www.mccullagh.org/ To subscribe to Politech: http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ - A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Spy News] Terrorist attacks in US - Intelligence memo points to Mossad link
-Caveat Lector- meme warfare lots of it going on. NWO is culprit. MHO Om K A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [3] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Re: Simplistic, unhistorical drivel?
Dan, First of all, my hat's off to your great great uncle who single handedly killed four cossacks. I've read that cossacks were pretty tough. That's quite a feat. I know this may sound cynical; however, without drawing too many references I'll try to be as quick as possible. In my many perusals over data covering the origins of Israel, I never read the following in one place; instead, it is a compilation of diverse sources. You may think it a little bizarre; however, I think it makes more sense than the generally accepted account of what happened. In the early twentieth century, the desire for a jewish homeland was pursued by many prominent jews, people like Herzl and powerful financiers like the Rothschilds. Some very powerful British gentlemen saw this pursuit as an opportunity to change the status quo. If you will note, jews in Germany enjoyed a relatively unencumbered economic success, a success not seen in England despite men like Disraeli achieving positions such as prime minister. Yes, I know there was always teutonic racial prejudice to deal with; however, I believe the premise stands: German jews did better economically than British jews, and the German economy reflected this. Those very powerful British gentlemen feared a strong Germany. One way of attacking that strength was to ruin the relatively strong economic relationship of Germany and its jewish population. How could this be done? The promise of a jewish homeland. Germany had no ambitions in this area; however, the British saw it as an opportunity. WWI was a quagmire. The British desperately needed the assistance of the USA. Wilson had been elected on the promise that he would not get involved in the war in Europe; however, Wilson had his faults. Apparently, some former dalliance of his threatened him with personal ruin if he did not pay her some $40,000. Wilson could not afford to pay this blackmail, he turned to his lawyer for help. Wilson's lawyer was a prominent jewish gentleman cognizant of Britain's desire for US intervention in WWI and it's willingness to support the establishment of a jewish homeland. Wilson's lawyer paid the blackmail money from his own pocket in exchange for Wilson's commitment to support Britain and France in WWI. The British kept their end of the deal. I don't think anyone needs a recap of the outcome of WWI. Suffice it to say that the provisions of the Versaille Treaty coupled with the new alliance forged between Britain and european jewry took their toll. The economic depression of the thirties made matters worse. I am not justifying it; however, the realignment of jewish business interests with Britain instead of Germany inflamed an already desperate populace. Hitler's antisemitism took on religious proportions; his desire for liebensraum and a thousand year reich brought us WWII. It is in the aftermath of WWII that things get interesting. If you read anything about Operation Paperclip, you will know that Interpol became a kind of club for ex-nazis. People like Otto Skorzeny ( Hitler's favorite commando )were brought into the US intelligence apparatus while scientists like Von Braun were allowed to continue their research for Uncle Sam. It was better to be an ex- nazi than a communist. Did you ever wonder why Skorzeny was allowed to organize the Arab resistance to Israel while the US Government was voting for the resolution to recognize the Israeli State? It's the good old razzle dazzle - Hegelian dialectics 101. So here we are blaming Arabs, blaming Israel. It is a miracle Israel has survived this long. The problem is control; how to get it; how to keep it; how to hide it. Both sides of what is happening in Israel are more or less controlled by the same group of grey old men. Sharon eats peanuts out of Kissinger's hand while Arafat rubs shoulders with his CFR buddies at meetings of some international socialist group. There may not be any oil in Israel; however, there is a conflict. Whether the conflict is over land, oil, religion, or which end of the hard boiled egg you open, conflict is the machine that keeps the wheels of industry turning; it supports the price of crude oil; it keeps the population down; it keeps Arab and Jew from realizing their potential and living in peace and prosperity. I view Israel's relationship with the USA as that of an abused child with its parental abuser. ...Dad may hit me, but he's the only dad I got, and he does give me an allowance Mark Urban --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dan Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the first place, there is no oil of any commercial quantity in Israel - this fight is over land, not oil. And I never said I thought the Israelis were all right and the Palestinians all wrong - that is simplisitic. What I said was that I thought it was idiotic, given the history, to one- sidedly blame the Israelis. They did everything they could in 1947 to avoid confronting the regional Arab coalition that publicly aimed to finsh the
[CTRL] Israel - No Concesions for American Alliance (fwd)
-- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 05:11:21 -0700 From: Kari Sprowl [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: palestinediary [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PalestineDiary] Israel -- No Concesions for American Alliance More... Monday September 17 4:36 AM ET Israel Stands Firm on U.S. Anti-Terror Alliance Israel Stands Firm on U.S. Anti-Terror Alliance By Megan Goldin JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said on Monday that Israel would not make concessions to the Palestinians to facilitate U.S. efforts to recruit Arab and Islamic countries in an anti-terror alliance. The United States has pushed for high-level truce talks to end almost a year of Israeli-Palestinian fighting as it tries to form an alliance to confront international terrorism following last week's devastating attacks in New York and Washington. Middle East analysts say continued violence in the West Bank and Gaza Strip could stymie the U.S.'s effort to include Arab and Islamic states in its coalition against terror. A 55-year-old Palestinian was killed during a battle between Palestinian gunmen and Israeli soldiers in the Gaza Strip on Monday, Palestinian witnesses said. ``The Arab countries now will certainly try to use this opportunity to pressure Israel and say that what is bothering them is that Israel did not give concessions to the Palestinians,'' Sharon told the Jerusalem Post in an interview. He added that Israel would not ``pay the price'' for the formation of an anti-terrorism coalition. ``Our clear, unequivocal answer is that this will not be at our expense,'' Sharon told the newspaper before the start on Monday evening of the two-day Jewish New Year, Rosh Hashana holiday. Sharon called on Palestinian President Yasser Arafat on Sunday to declare a cease-fire in return for an end to Israeli military raids into Palestinian-ruled territory. He said high-level truce talks would be held after two days free of violence. Arafat did not directly respond to Sharon's truce call but he said Palestinians were already committed to a cease-fire and ready for a political dialogue at any time. The familiar sounds of battle echoed in the West Bank and Gaza Strip overnight as they have since fighting erupted last September. More than 700 people have died in the last year. Israeli security forces were on alert for attacks by Islamic militants over Rosh Hashana despite capturing, in a raid on the Palestinian city of Ramallah on Sunday, what they described as a ``terror cell'' planning bombings during the holiday. ISRAEL SETS UP BUFFER ZONE Sharon said Israel was not under U.S. pressure to make compromises to entice Palestinians to end their revolt against Israeli occupation. ``There is no pressure. Not now and not before,'' Sharon told Israel Radio. While the world continued to focus on events in the United States, the Israeli army announced it would make a 18-mile-long area of the West Bank adjacent to the Israeli border off-limits to Palestinians, save for local villagers. The army called the move a security measure to block suicide bombers from reaching Israeli cities. A Palestinian cabinet minister said the buffer zone in Israeli-occupied territory was a prelude to ``an all-out assault'' on Palestinian-ruled areas. In fresh violence on Monday, the army said three soldiers were wounded in a heavy exchange of fire at Rafah, on the Gaza-Egypt border. Palestinian hospitals reported two people died from wounds from fighting earlier in the week. Israel's army has frequently raided Palestinian-ruled territory since the revolt against Israeli occupation erupted last September after peace negotiations deadlocked. But the pace of such incursions, and their subsequent death toll, appeared to quicken in the last week as troops struck targets in the Gaza Strip and at least four West Bank cities in what Israel called a response to attacks on Israelis. Sharon said on Sunday he was making the cease-fire appeal to Arafat ``in the light of the U.S. commitment to uproot all the terrorist organizations' networks and in order to prevent continued bloodshed in our region.'' Sharon told parliament that talks now with Arafat, without an end to violence, would give the Palestinian leader ''legitimacy as a good guy.'' That could pave the way for Arafat to join the U.S. alliance, giving him ``a chance to continue with the terror without us being able to act against him,'' Sharon said. He added that the U.S. drive must include a fight against ''all terror organizations including those of Arafat.''
[CTRL] Blame Israel! A New South Park creed instead of Blaming Canada? (fwd)
Title: Blame Israel! A New South Park creed instead of Blaming Canada? Folks, I am on some Israeli PR mailing list out of the UK called Honest Reporting (sic). They are a media watchdog group and they often point the way to articles that leave Israel into a lesser light. Take a look at these stories...where ISRAEL IS BEING BLAMED by the media. Presently, even with the horrendous tragedy, more and more talking heads are suggesting that we need to REEVALUATE OUR MIDDLE EAST policies. Jaffer HonestReporting members have reported the scapegoating of Israel by columnist Robert Novak, ABC anchor Peter Jennings and others. Here are selected examples: (1) Time Magazine's Tony Karon - Why Didn't We Know? (Sept. 14): To be sure, the U.S. had plenty of reasons to believe Bin Laden would try and strike at its cities. He's tried before, for one thing, and the motivation to launch a spectacular attack would have grown exponentially over the past year as anti-American feeling surged on the Arab streets in response U.S. support for Israel... Read Karon's column at: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,175025,00.html Comments: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * (2) The Washington Post's Caryle Murphy - A Hatred Rooted in Failings (Sept. 16). Murphy served as the Post's Cairo bureau chief from 1989-94. Having spent many years living in the region and learning about Islam, I believe that three major factors have brought it to this point: authoritarian governments that have spawned extremist movements by failing to develop a civil society that permits dissent; the inability of modern interpretations of Islam to prevail over outdated, orthodox versions; and America's failure to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict... the 50-year-old conflict between Israel and the Palestinians rages on. Seen through Muslim eyes, it is a conflict prolonged by America's bias toward Israel. Muslims do not comprehend, for example, how the United States, which gives Israel more than $3 billion annually, could not have stopped Israel from allowing more than 200,000 Jewish settlers -- half of them since the 1993 Oslo peace agreement -- to move into occupied territory Palestinians had envisioned as their homeland... If we want to avoid creating more terrorists, we must end the Israeli-Palestinian conflict quickly and in a way both sides see as fair... Read Murphy's column at: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A35106-2001Sep15.html Comments: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Letters to the Editor, The Washington Post 1150 15th Street NW, Washington, DC 20071 * * * (3) ABC News invited a Long Island Moslem leader, Al-Haaj Ghazi Khankan, to conduct an on-line chat How Could This Happen? (Sept. 15) ABC News gave Al-Haaj Ghazi the air- time to declare: We need to reexamine our foreign policy in the world, especially in the sensitive area of the Palestine question. We know from statistics, for example, we have given the Israeli governments, since 1949, $134 billion and helped them take over the homes of the Palestinian people, and made them refugees. The U.S.-made F-16s and helicopters that shoot rockets are being used by the Israelis to kill more Palestinians. And so the Palestinians think that we are in cahoots with the Israelis against the Palestinians. Read the full ABCNews.com transcript: http://more.abcnews.go.com/sections/community/DailyNews/chat_ghazi010915.htm l Comments: http://www.abcnews.go.com/service/Help/abcmail_news.html * * * (4) The New York Times' John Burns - America Inspires Both Longing and Loathing in Arab World (Sept. 16): There, bitter political grievances abound, among them: the United States' support of Israel; its troop presence in the 'holy land' of the Arabian peninsula; its military encirclement and economic strangulation of Iraq; and its alliances with governments across the Middle East and Asia that are widely perceived as corrupt. Read Burns' column at: http://nytimes.com/2001/09/16/international/16AMER.html Comments: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FAX: (212) 556-3622 Letters to the Editor, The New York Times 229 West 43rd Street, New York, NY 10036 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[CTRL] FC: The Enduring Power of Stupidity (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- ** Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 20:36:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Charles Platt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: The Enduring Power of Stupidity The Enduring Power of Stupidity During the past five days I have read many essays. To me, all of them have missed a fundamental underlying point. There are two basic forces in the world: Intelligence and stupidity. Human intelligence generally is creative, and has the potential to enhance our lives. Stupidity almost always is destructive. A month ago, the power of stupidity was demonstrated on a routine basis when our president made an ethical decision that scientists should destroy small clumps of human cells by throwing them away, instead of using them in research to eradicate terrible diseases. This stupidity was justified by misinterpreting an archaic book of primitive myths. During the half-century that I have been alive, I've seen many similar examples of stupidity depriving us of the fruits of intelligence. Random examples include the misapplication of Marxism, the Vietnam war, the cold war, dismantling the US manned space program, eco-alarmism, and the war on drugs. No doubt every person has some favorite examples to add to this list. At the dawn of the 21st century, when Y2K was averted by a lot of smart people doing intelligent things to prevent the paralysis of modern society, I started to hope that intelligence was finally gaining an edge over stupidity. Here I am now, using a digital computer that not only facilitates my creativity as a writer, but also revolutionizes my ability to create music, videos, or graphics. Its connectivity has changed my entire working and social life. Its power has been almost totally beneficial, and it promises still greater benefits in the future. Computational molecular biology has the potential to eradicate all hunger and disease. Ultimately computational power should enable us to manipulate matter itself, enabling a new era of unlimited wealth while eliminating side effects such as pollution and global warming. We may also defeat death: I may die, but I believe my daughter has a chance to achieve biological immortality. At least, I used to believe this, until last Tuesday. On Tuesday I saw that stupidity still trumps intelligence. Those hijacked airplanes were an amazing feat of intelligent engineering, making the miracle of flight not only safe but universally accessible. The World Trade Center was a brilliantly innovative piece of architecture. Yet a handful of thugs armed with box cutters destroyed those fruits of intelligence within a few hours. The thugs, of course, were acting in accordance with their stupid misinterpretation of yet another archaic book of primitive myths. Regulatory stupidity facilitated the terrorist acts. According to the Washington Post, FAA regulations have always permitted knives up to 4 inches long on domestic flights, and all cockpit doors on all airplanes can be opened with the same master key. In any case, the doors are flimsy enough to be kicked open. At least 14 times since 1998, drunk or disturbed passengers have tried to force their way into airplane cockpits. They succeeded on 6 occasions. In 1999, a passenger on All Nippon Airways fatally stabbed a pilot. Thus, this country has pursued an aggressive, punitive foreign policy that was guaranteed to create enemies, yet took only cosmetic steps to protect its own citizens in a situation of notorious vulnerability. Worse, in the future, passengers will remain vulnerable (instead of being allowed access to tools of nonlethal self-defense such as tasers), while the foreign policy will become more aggressive, thus creating still more enemies. I'm old enough to remember how the unfettered, turbulent creativity of the 1960s dissipated in the ugly stupidities of a war in southeast Asia. I fear now that the incredible technological creativity of the past decade may be derailed by some equally stupid, unwinnable war in another remote, hostile country, causing socioeconomic chaos at home. I feel a great, overwhelming melancholy. The wonderful smart innovations in the past decade have empowered us in so many ways, yet we are still impotent compared with the techno- illiterates who claim a mandate to act stupidly on our behalf. The terrorists with box cutters, and the militants in the U.S. government, share two traits. They exercise power indiscriminately, and show no great love for technology. In fact, I believe they are hostile to it because they see how its intelligence threatens them. Their fear is justified. In the long term, I still believe that technology will eclipse dumb political power and render it obsolete. Alas, I no longer believe that I will see this happen within my lifetime. --Charles Platt - - POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and
[CTRL] Communist Extremist Associations?? (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- DAY OF INFAMY 2001 Lone House dissenter's extremist history Barbara Lee has extensive Communist, foreign ties http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=24520 © 2001 WorldNetDaily.com The lone vote in the House of Representatives opposing military action in response to the terrorist attacks on the U.S. has a long history of associations with Communist Party and extremist groups and individuals, WorldNetDaily investigations show. Rep. Barbara Lee, D-Calif., is a long-time friend of Communist Party militant Angela Davis who succeeded another radical from the city of Oakland, Rep. Ron Red Dellums. The votes in the House and Senate Friday authorized military action by the executive branch and provided $40 billion to help cover the costs of retaliation and rebuilding from the devastation of Tuesday suicide attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon. Lee paid her establishment political dues - first as an aide to Dellums and later as a California assemblywoman and state senator. However, less known is Lee's service on the national coordinating committee of the Committees of Correspondence, an organization that splintered from the Communist Party USA in 1991. Davis, the three-time Communist Party candidate for vice president of the United States, served by her side. Earlier, while working with Dellums, she joined the U.S.-Grenada Friendship Society, a front group supporting the Communist dictatorship of Maurice Bishop, a close ally of Cuban dictator Fidel Castro. Just months before the U.S. invasion that toppled Bishop in 1983, Lee and Dellums visited the island on official business of the House Armed Services Committee to gauge the military threat posed to the United States by an international airport being built there by Cubans. According to documents captured by U.S. military forces in Grenada, Lee personally presented Bishop's Politburo with a draft of Dellums' report before it was presented to his congressional committee. Despite revelations about this in 1993, Dellums went on to become chairman of the committee so vital to national security. Lee went on to become a member of the California Legislature. She threatened Joseph Farah, now the editor of WorldNetDaily, with a defamation lawsuit for publishing this information during her first term as a California assemblywoman. She dropped the threat after being challenged to provide any evidence that the charges were not true. The minutes of a Politburo meeting held in 1982 say Lee actually encouraged the Communist government to make a revision in the report to minimize the military significance of the Grenada airport. Less than a year later, the captured documents reveal, Lee helped coordinate a tour of the West Coast for Ian Jacobs, Grenada's deputy U.N. ambassador, as part of a propaganda offensive to counterattack President Reagan's verbal attack on Grenada. Once again, Angela Davis was by her side. President Reagan later ordered an invasion of the island when U.S. medical students were taken hostage by the Cuban-backed regime. When U.S. Marines landed, they were met with armed resistance, not from local forces, but from Cuban infantry regulars. Lee's friendly relations with Cuba date back even further. In 1979, while on Dellums' staff, she traveled to Havana to attend a conference of non-aligned nations, a Cold War euphemism for countries aligned with the Soviet Union. She attended the conference not as an employee of the federal government, which she was, but rather claiming to be a journalist for the left-wing alternative San Francisco paper, the Sun-Reporter. The San Francisco paper Lee represented in Cuba was edited at the time by the late Carlton Goodlett. On April 22, 1970, Goodlett received the Lenin Peace Prize in Moscow. It was quite an affair - attended by Leonid Brezhnev and other party notables. The date marked Lenin's 100th birthday. Until 1956, the Lenin Prize was called the Stalin Stipend. The name was changed only after Nikita Khruschev denounced mass murderer Josef Stalin at the 20th Party Congress in Moscow. It was not just an honorary award for promoting the cause of world Communism and Soviet hegemony. The prize was established in 1928 as the socialist rival to the Nobel Prize and paid its recipients amounts ranging from 50,000 to 100,000 rubles. When Goodlett returned with his cash, he proceeded to file as a candidate for governor of California in that year's election. He also bankrolled the first big election bids of former California Assembly Speaker Willie Brown and Dellums. In October 1997, a Freedom of Information Act request was filed with the FBI. It sought information about Goodlett, particularly with respect to the Lenin Prize and about his backing of Dellums. A few weeks later, Dellums surprised virtually everyone on Capitol Hill, throughout his district and across the nation by resigning in the middle of his two-year term. Nevertheless, Lee was sworn into the House of Representatives
[CTRL] Thoughts from New York (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Assalamu'alaikum, Thoughts from New York Ali Abunimah ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) September 17, 2001 NEW YORK -- I arrived in New York City on Friday night, three days after the disaster. I drove all day from Chicago with a friend. As we crossed the George Washington Bridge from New Jersey into upper Manhattan we could see that it was really true. Down towards the end of the island, a huge cloud hung, lit yellowish by the lights of the city, above the space where the towers had once soared. It gave the impression of a mouth that had just lost a tooth violently. We passed through the checkpoint at Canal and Church Streets, escorted by my sister and her family who live in the closed zone beyond. This checkpoint has itself has become a destination. Opposite the barriers on the north side of Canal a crowd of people are standing, some holding candles, looking down Church street at the looming white cloud. Floodlights bathe the scene making everything seem hyper real, or hyper false -- like a movie set. Emergency vehicles, trucks and utility vans are waved through. Below the checkpoint the streets are deserted. Looking south on Church Street in the morning, I can count eight blocks to the smoking remains of the Twin Towers. The only people in the street are rescue workers, walking away from the scene in pairs or resting in small groups. Franklin street is a staging area for diesel generators. I count more than a dozen industrial generators parked where cars used to be. There is a pallet with dozens of hard hats, and other supplies are strewn about. I overhear one rescuer say to another It's like Home Depot down there, there's everything, food, water, tools, masks. For days the radio has been announcing the items that people should donate. So overwhelming was the response from the public that now they are telling people to stop, and to give money to the American Red Cross instead. Downtown Manhattan has always struck me as one of the places in the world furthest from the cares and afflictions of the world. SoHo with its art galleries, designer furniture and fashion; Tribeca with its astronomical rents, its restaurants and cafes. Now, it has been transformed. Violence as brutal as anything that afflicted Lebanon or Bosnia has come here, and it interacts with the city in incongruous ways. A cafe on a deserted street in the closed zone featuring delicate French pastries from Balthazar offers them free to rescue workers. The Eden Day Spa has posted flyers inviting rescue workers to use all their facilities and services -- the showers, the lounge, the therapeutic massages. The closest store from which we can carry groceries is the Gourmet Garage, offering everything of the rarest and finest from all over the world. Things that mere days ago represented the height of frivolity and luxury have now been enlisted in the elemental struggle for survival as soldiers in combat gear patrol the streets and military helicopters circle overhead. Above the Canal Street barrier New York city life continues normally but subdued. The Twin Towers were always a great attraction. They still are as tourists now gathered snap photos down Church Street. The souvenir shops along Canal Street are among the few businesses open, and they are doing a roaring trade in Twin Towers T-Shirts and postcards. There is even someone selling postcards of the actual aircraft collisions and explosions. It is a safe bet that the proceeds are not going to the relief effort. If you look at the lampposts, you begin to understand what five thousand people look like. Everywhere there are flyers with photos of people who are missing. Mark Rasweiler is 53, and weighs 185 pounds. One woman is leaning up a against a car, hand on her hips with a broad smile. Another women is talking on the telephone in her kitchen, a surprised and mischievous smile on her face. Another is holding a fluffy white poodle. A young man is wearing a tux; perhaps this was his wedding photo. Norberto Hernandez is wearing a chef's uniform. One flyer declares hopefully and heartbreakingly that the smiling, athletic looking man is one of your unidentified patients. The marble facade at the United States Post Office at Canal and Church has become a shrine, the wall covered with these flyers, and candles and flowers adorning the steps. It reminds me of pictures I have seen of the Amariyah bomb shelter in Baghdad. The same photos and flowers line the wall of the memorial to the more than four hundred women and children incinerated by two smart bombs that destroyed the facility in a middle class neighborhood of the Iraqi capital on February 12, 1991. Kathy Kelly wrote about an encounter she had when she visited the site in March 1991 with the Red Crescent, in the book Iraq Under Siege: Single family homes surrounded the cavernous remains of the shelter. Stretched across the brick facade of each house was a black banner bearing in graceful, white Arabic letters the names of
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The problem removing the US civilian from the casualty of war equation. With severe attacks against US civilians it might be wise to adopt a new policy in the middle East. Israel and the PLO are at war. I suggest moving Israel to the United States. Thus Jews could worship as they want without harassment by angry Palestinians. There would be not bias in policy as Israel became a State of the United States within North American borders. Jewish Immigration to the United States would not be blocked as it was during WW2, but an open door policy, in true spirit of the United States as a safe haven country for religious freedom free from political prosecution. The same policy Israel maintains could be applied to the Israel within the US A diplomatic relationship, with the Palestinians would allow cordial religious visits to the holy land where religious pilgrims from all faiths would be welcome as opposed to desecration of it with warfare and bloodshed. Voluntary Protection of religious persons by persons of other faiths would be ideal. Railages Guests. A military base in the Mid east could be established. An International corporate Army financed directly by Oil companies. As opposed to Tax revenues via oil commerce as justification for military involvement. Oil companies from England and the United States coalition members could establish a base in the middle East specifically to protect that Industry, Oil companies could in turn be given large tax breaks to accomplish Independent military Financing of a security force. Other Military bases could include Rain Forest protection. All surviving rain frosts could be protected by an International/UN/Amercian/NATO coalition in order to insure surveil of the human Species ecosystem. A military perimeter could be established to do so the failing drug war could be redirected to this task.
[CTRL] Bin Laden Profiled
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Bin Laden Profiled AP Bin Laden Speaks: Exclusive 1999 TIME interview Profile: Who is Osama Bin Laden? Wednesday, Sep. 12, 2001 Who is Osama Bin Laden? He is a Saudi financier who recruited and led Arab volunteers for the 'jihad' against the Soviet invaders in Afghanistan. Since that war, he has sent his Arab Afghans to fight in Bosnia, Chechnya, Kashmir and other conflicts involving Muslims. But he also declared a 'jihad' against the United States, declaring it the duty of all Muslims to kill American soldiers and civilians. Bin Laden, of course, has no religous standing, and his religious rationalization of terrorism is fiercely rejected by mainstream Islam. The fugitive Saudi has been accused of authoring a number of attacks on Americans, most notably the 1998 embassy bombings in east Africa. He's also a prime suspect in the attack on the U.S.S. Cole. What does Bin Laden Want? Bin Laden believes Muslim countries should be ruled according to Islamic sharia law, thus pitting him against the pro-Western regimes all over the Middle East. U.S. support for these regimes and for Israel, as well as the presence of infidel American forces in Saudi Arabia are the reasons he offers for his 'jihad' against the U.S. Bin Laden wants to drive the U.S. out of Arab lands, overthrow the governments of Egypt and Saudi Arabia, and destroy Israel. Who are Bin Laden's operatives and how does his network function? Bin Laden's own organization, Al Qaida, is based primarily on Arab volunteers who had fought the Russians in Afghanistan with the support of the CIA and Arab intelligence agencies, and were either unwilling or unable to return home. They maintained training camps in Afghanistan, the Sudan, Yemen and elsewhere, where they trained fighters for Islamist armies as far afield as Chechnya and western China. Many of these operatives were also trained and deployed to create the infrastructure for and execute terrorist actions against targets associated with the U.S. all over the world. The Afghan 'jihad' also established links between volunteers from Islamist opposition groups in countries ranging from Algeria to South Africa and the Philippines, and Bin Laden has moved â together with key leaders of Egypt's influential Islamist movement â to establish himself at the center of a kind of Islamist International. Their goal has been to link organizations spawned by local grievances all around the world into a global 'jihad' against the U.S. and to foster cooperation among these groups. Security experts believe Bin Laden's networks are not tightly or vertically linked. Instead, any number of smaller cells and loosely affiliated organizations receive support from and carry out operations on behalf of the Saudi financier and his immediate lieutenants. Where are they based? Bin Laden remains holed up in Afghanistan, where he enjoys the protection of its ruling Taliban militia. But structures linked with Bin Laden have been identified in Yemen, Bosnia, the Philippines, even New Jersey â pockets of support have been unearthed in most places where foreign veterans of the Afghan war are to be found. Earlier this year, a New York court convicted a former Egyptian army major of doing intelligence work for Bin Laden's networks â Ali Mohammed had also been a sergeant in the U.S. Army. And the Algerians arrested last December for allegedly smuggling explosives into the U.S. are suspected of working with Bin Laden, even though they had been linked with Algeria's Islamic Salvation Front â a group that has not traditionally targeted the U.S. That suggests a growing tendency towards cooperation between distinct local groups, which considerably widens the base of potential threats against the U.S. How do Bin Laden's networks differ from other terrorist groupings in the Middle East? Before the Bin Laden group emerged, terrorist organizations in the Mideast depended on states to sponsor their activities. The notorious PLO dissident Abu Nidal, for example, might carry out attacks on behalf of Syria, Libya or other sponsors, as would the notorious Venezuelan Carlos the Jackal, currently in prison in France. Similarly, the Lebanese Hezbollah militia has depended on backing from Iran and a nod and a wink from Syria. Hezbollah, of course, has primarily waged a guerrilla war against Israel in southern Lebanon, but it has also been a suspect in terrorist attacks both inside Lebanon and abroad. But unlike Bin Laden's group â and the equally cosmopolitan Abu Nidal â Hezbollah tends to remain focus on home ground, and on lending its support and expertise to Palestinian militants in the West Bank and Gaza. The most notorious Palestinian terrorist group of the past decade has been Hamas, which has killed scores of Israeli civilians in suicide bombing attacks inside Israel. Based in the West Bank and Gaza, Hamas opposes
[CTRL] Ambush ?
-Caveat Lector- From http://argument.independent.co.uk/commentators/story.jsp?story=94254 }}Begin Argument | Commentators Robert Fisk: Bush is walking into a trap 16 September 2001 Retaliation is a trap. In a world that was supposed to have learnt that the rule of law comes above revenge, President Bush appears to be heading for the very disaster that Osama bin Laden has laid down for him. Let us have no doubts about what happened in New York and Washington last week. It was a crime against humanity. We cannot understand America's need to retaliate unless we accept this bleak, awesome fact. But this crime was perpetrated it becomes ever clearer to provoke the United States into just the blind, arrogant punch that the US military is preparing. Mr bin Laden every day his culpability becomes more apparent has described to me how he wishes to overthrow the pro-American regime of the Middle East, starting with Saudi Arabia and moving on to Egypt, Jordan and the other Gulf states. In an Arab world sunk in corruption and dictatorships most of them supported by the West the only act that might bring Muslims to strike at their own leaders would be a brutal, indiscriminate assau lt by the United States. Mr bin Laden is unsophisticated in foreign affairs, but a close student of the art and horror of war. He knew how to fight the Russians who stayed on in Afghanistan, a Russian monster that revenge d itself upon its ill-educated, courageous antagonists until, faced with war without end, the entire Soviet Union began to fall apart. The Chechens learnt this lesson. And the man responsible for so much of the bloodbath in Chechnya the career KGB man whose army is raping and murdering the insurgent Sunni Muslim population of Chechnya is now being si gned up by Mr Bush for his war against people''. Vladimir Putin must surely have a sense of humour to appreciate the cruel ironies that have now come to pass, though I doubt if he will let Mr Bush know what happens when you start a war of retaliation; your army like the Russian forces in Chechnya becomes locked into battle with an enemy that appears ever more ruthless, ever more evil. But the Americans need look no further than Ariel Sharon's futile war with the Palestinians to understand the folly of retaliation. In Lebanon, it was always the same. A Hizbollah guerrilla would kill an Israeli occupatio n soldier, and the Israelis would fire back in retaliation at a village in which a civilian would die. The Hizbollah would retaliate with a Katyusha missile attack over the Israeli border, and the Israelis would retaliate again with a bombardment of southern Lebanon. In the end, the Hizbollah the centre of world terror'' according to Mr Sharon drove the Israelis out of Lebanon. In Israel/Palestine, it is the same story. An Israeli soldier shoots a Palestinian stone-thrower. The Palestinians retaliate by killing a settler. The Israelis then retaliate by sending a murder squad to kill a Palestinia n gunman. The Palestinians retaliate by sending a suicide bomber into a pizzeria. The Israelis then retaliate by sending F-16s to bomb a Palestinian police station. Retaliation leads to retaliation and more retaliation. W ar without end. And while Mr Bush and perhaps Mr Blair prepare their forces, they explain so meretriciously that this is a war for democracy and liberty'', that it is about men who are attacking civilisation''. America was targete d for attack,'' Mr Bush informed us on Friday, because we are the brightest beacon for freedom and opportunity in the world.'' But this is not why America was attacked. If this was an Arab-Muslim apocalypse, then it is i ntimately associated with events in the Middle East and with America's stewardship of the area. Arabs, it might be added, would rather like some of that democracy and liberty and freedom that Mr Bush has been telling them about. Instead, they get a president who wins 98 per cent in the elections (Washington's friend, Mr Mubarak) or a Palestinian police force, trained by the CIA, that tortures and sometimes kills its people in prison. The Syrians would also like a little of that democracy. So would the Saudis. But their effete princes are all friends of America in many cases, educated at US universities. I will always remember how President Clinton announced that Saddam Hussein another of our grotesque inventions must be overthrown so that the people of Iraq could choose their own leaders. But if that happened, it wou ld be the first time in Middle Eastern history that Arabs have been permitted to do so. No, it is our'' democracy and our'' liberty and freedom that Mr Bush and Mr Blair are talking about, our Western sanctuary that is under attack, not the vast place of terror and injustice that the Middle East has become. Let me illustrate what I mean. Nineteen years ago today, the greatest act of terrorism using Israel's own definition of that much
[CTRL] Dow Plummets More Than 470 Points
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Monday September 17 12:07 PM ET Dow Plummets More Than 470 Points By LISA SINGHANIA, AP Business Writer NEW YORK (AP) - Scared investors sent stocks plummeting as Wall Street ended its longest shutdown since the Great Depression and resumed trading Monday for the first time since last week's terrorist attack. The Dow Jones industrial average fell as much as 629 points, dropping below 9,000 for the first time in more than 2 1/2 years, but stabilized by mid-morning. The initial heavy selling was widely expected in a market already fragile because of poor corporate profits and outlooks. And since the attacks, which shut the nation's stock market for four days, the major airlines have announced cutbacks and reduced schedules, adding to investors' nervousness about the future. But the Federal Reserve (news - web sites), hoping to boost the economy and the market's confidence, cut interest rates by a half-point - the eighth rate cut so far this year - an hour before trading began. The nation's financial leaders had called on investors to treat the market's reopening as a buying opportunity instead of a reason to sell. New York Stock Exchange (news - web sites) chairman Richard A. Grasso was sanguine about the volatility after the opening bell: ``Today's market is not important. It's the market a year from now, two years from now.'' Many investors didn't seem to be unnerved by the market's drop. Ronald Loftus, a broker in Springfield, Mass., said he was fielding phone calls from people who wanted to know what was going on, but said he'd seen no panic selling. ``In fact, the reaction has been just the opposite,'' Loftus said. ``Some people are looking to buy primarily out of patriotism and to show their support. They are saying it's something they can do.'' The Dow fell in 50- and 100-point bursts as its 30 components opened for trading. When American Express, the last stock to open, began trading, the Dow's loss reached 629 points and the index fell below 9,000, dropping to 8,976. The blue chips last closed under 9,000 on Dec. 3, 1988, when they fell to 8,879.68. By mid-morning, the market was stable although still sharply lower - an expected turn in a difficult day. At midday, the Dow was off 476 points while the Nasdaq was down 72. The broader Standard Poor's 500 index was down 38. While the point declines in the Dow and Nasdaq were very large, their percentage losses were more moderate, with the Dow off 4.8 percent and the Nasdaq down 4 percent. Before trading began, the New York Stock Exchange observed two minutes of silence followed by the singing of ``God Bless America.'' The opening bell was rung by members of the Police and Fire departments along with representatives of other agencies involved in the rescue and recovery efforts at the World Trade Center disaster site. ``Let us celebrate these wonderful men and women,'' Grasso said, calling them ``our heroes.'' He was surrounded by federal, state and local officials on a balcony overlooking the exchange floor. Outside, a huge American flag was draped across the NYSE's famed columns. The four-day market closing was the longest for the NYSE since March 1933 when the government shuttered the exchange for more than a week for a banking holiday during the Depression. On Monday, Nick Matera of Staten Island arrived at the NYSE in the blue jacket of a trading floor worker. He called the opening ``symbolic more than anything else'' and noted the changed environment, saying: ``It's an odd feeling with the smoke and all.'' Businesses spent the weekend cleaning up the debris littering the financial district. Utility workers laid and rewired thousands of cables to restore telecommunications and power, while the city prepared the subway system for its first real use in nearly a week. But challenges remain. Although the larger investment houses have relocated their operations in backup locations outside the financial district, others struggled to get their offices up and running. ``They're opening the exchange so that every individual investor can participate, but we can't because we don't have connectivity,'' said Ray Velez, a manager at a day-trading firm near the NYSE that lacks access to the Internet and other data services needed to compete in the markets. A variety of steps were being taken to smooth the resumption of trading. The Securities and Exchange Commission (news - web sites) has announced a series of rules that, among other things, make it easier for firms to buy back their own stock. Grasso said there would be no constraints on trading, with limit orders being processed as well as short sales, those in which traders make money by betting the market goes down. He also said the NYSE should be able to handle any volume of trading, noting that the exchange has the capacity for five times the current average daily volume of about 1.2
[CTRL] Washington Acts to Head Off Financial Downturn
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Washington Acts to Head Off Financial Downturn Bipartisan proposals are an attempt to keep consumers spending, with the aim of staving off a recession. By PETER G. GOSSELIN and WARREN VIETH, Times Staff Writers WASHINGTON -- As Wall Street held its breath over today's resumption of stock trading, Washington signaled Sunday that it will pull out all the economic stops to keep the country from being shoved into recession by last week's terrorist attacks. In an unusual joint appearance, House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) and Minority Leader Richard A. Gephardt (D-Mo.) told Fox News Sunday they are assembling bipartisan proposals designed to revive growth, which was flagging even before Tuesday's suicide airliner attacks and now threatens to drop sharply. Among the proposals are new spending programs and tax cuts that might drive the government back into deficits, but also could help keep consumers buying and the economy percolating. We're talking about things now that we're going to have to do to sustain our markets, to make sure there's confidence, both consumer confidence and confidence in our market system, said Hastert. Leaders acknowledged Sunday that the economic fallout from the attacks is proving even more complex than initially anticipated. Vice President Dick Cheney said that administration officials are scrambling to help the airline industry, which has been financially battered by the shutdown of air traffic in the wake of the attacks and a sharp contraction of ridership. Independent analysts said a bailout in the form of direct aid, low-interest loans and government assumption of some industry expenses may be in the offing. We're very interested in finding ways to make certain . . . there's no sort of permanent damage to our civil aviation capacity, Cheney told NBC's Meet the Press. In a remark that captured policymakers' peculiar bind--trying to revive economic ebullience even as they say they are preparing for military action--Cheney called on Americans to do their patriotic duty by continuing to shop. I would hope the American people would, in effect, stick their thumbs in the eye of the terrorists and say that they've got great confidence in the country, great confidence in our economy, and not let what's happened here in any way throw off their normal level of economic activity, he said. The vice president's comment reflects growing worry among economists that the attacks and their somber aftermath will convince consumers, who were already slowing their purchases, to pull back sharply in a move that could drive the country into a substantial downturn. A recent University of Michigan survey found consumer confidence, which influences how much people buy, slipping to an 8½-year low in early September even before the assaults. However, a new Los Angeles Times poll conducted in the wake of the attacks found Americans still strikingly upbeat. Asked about the overall state of the economy, fully 71% of 1,561 respondents said they thought it is doing very or fairly well. Asked about their own plans for the upcoming holiday season, 59% said they would spend the same on presents for families and friends as last year, while 26% said they would spend less. Finally, asked what the effects on the economy would be of the global stock declines that followed the attacks, fully 73% said they would be only a temporary setback. Global economic policymakers are ready to act swiftly to ensure that the attacks' effects on financial markets are only temporary. Policymakers with the Federal Reserve, the Bank of England, the European Central Bank and others are prepared to cut interest rates and intervene to defend the dollar if the U.S. stock market has trouble reopening this morning after a nearly unprecedented four-day shutdown. Some analysts predict that major U.S. stock indexes will plunge as much as 10%, citing similar drops of foreign indexes that have continued to trade in the wake of the attacks. However, others said that the market could remain stable, or even rise, if investors decide to buy in a show of patriotism or to ride out the uncertainty. There have been just too many changes in the economic calculation: Airlines are on the edge of bankruptcy. Additional security costs and time costs are going to reduce productivity in the near term. There is no way I can imagine the profit potential of U.S. corporations is anywhere but down from where it was a week ago, said Brian S. Wesbury, chief economist with Griffin, Kubik, Stephens Thompson in Chicago. I just can't imagine us seeing a long-term rally. If we do have some kind of patriotic rally, it's not going to last long, Wesbury said. A lot will ride on what happens today, added Chris Varvares, an economist with Macroeconomic Advisors Inc. in St Louis. If we get a patriotic rally, I think that will be a shot in the arm to
[CTRL] Pentagon Issues Order To Elite Units In Infantry
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Pentagon Issues Order To Elite Units In Infantry Military Action Could Involve Ground Troops By Thomas E. Ricks Washington Post Staff Writer Monday, September 17, 2001; Page A13 The Pentagon issued a warning order late last week to some elite infantry units to prepare for a possible imminent combat mission, indicating the administration is moving closer toward taking wide-ranging military action that will involve ground combat troops, a defense official said. The order was issued after planners on the staff of the Joint Chiefs last week worked intensely to produce several possible courses of action, as the military calls tentative plans, to retaliate for the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center in New York and the Pentagon. A senior officer on the Joint Staff then notified the Army that most of the missions being contemplated could require ground combat forces, as well as combat aircraft. A warning order involving the deployment of troops overseas requires the approval of the secretary of defense. President Bush is expected to be briefed on the tentative plans today by Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and may approve one for execution, defense officials said. Rumsfeld also indicated that multifaceted missions are being planned when he said on Fox News yesterday that this isn't going to be a few cruise missiles flying around on television for the world to see that something blew up. He said that there very likely will be military action. Returning to the White House from Camp David, where he held strategy meetings with senior advisers over the weekend, President Bush said, It is time for us to the win the first war of the 21st century decisively. And Vice President Cheney, speaking from Camp David on NBC's Meet the Press, said about the U.S. military that we've got a broad range of capabilities, and they may well be given missions in connection with this overall task and strategy. The headquarters that was notified for possible action is the XVIII Airborne Corps, which is headquartered at Fort Bragg, N.C., and comprises four divisions: The 82nd Airborne, the 101st Airborne, the 3rd Infantry Division and the 10th (Mountain) Division. Of those units, the most likely to be tapped is the 82nd Airborne, which specializes in capturing airfields and other swift assault missions. The 82nd keeps one battalion at the highest level of readiness, able to begin deploying overseas in 18 hours. I'm absolutely positive we're going to go someplace, said one Army officer. He said he wasn't aware of the order, which was closely held, but was judging more by Bush's remark over the weekend that everybody who wears the uniform should get ready for action. In another signal the administration is moving closer to military action, the USS Carl Vinson, an aircraft carrier that has been sailing in the vicinity of the Persian Gulf, stopped showing its location on its Web site (www.cvn70.navy.mil). That Web site also reported that sailors aboard the ship have been blocked from sending e-mail. Our outgoing e-mail has been shut down to preserve operational security, the Web site read. It is standard practice aboard Navy ships to cut off telephone calls and e-mails before going into combat. Rear Adm. Craig Quigley, the senior uniformed Pentagon spokesman, declined to comment on the issuance of the warning order or the clampdown on information about the USS Carl Vinson. We will not comment on the pending movements of operational units, he said. *COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] Want to be on our lists? Write at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a menu of our lists! A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A
[CTRL] US special forces 'land in Pakistan'
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! US special forces 'land in Pakistan' (09/16/2001) (Agencies) Newspapers in Pakistan say foreign troops have already arrived in the country. The Nation reports a special plane carrying over two dozen foreigners landed at the Chakala airbase. The News quotes an eyewitness as saying he saw a small contingent of US troops landing in Islamabad. There is no official confirmation of the reports. The paper says, according to unofficial reports, over 50 personnel from the Special Services Group of the US Marines' Green Seals have landed. It adds they plan to conduct 'target-oriented' operations against Osama bin Laden, prime suspect behind the terrorist strikes in the US. Diplomatic sources have confirmed the arrival of two American aircraft but refused to give further details, the Press Trust Of India reports. The Pakistani Army has taken over Karachi airport and has increased its presence at other airports in the area, according to media reports. It's unclear whether the army takeover is in preparation for a strike against neighbouring Afghanistan. Pakistan is under intense pressure from both the US and Afghanistan's Taliban regime following Tuesday's terrorist attack. *COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] Want to be on our lists? Write at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a menu of our lists! A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Will conventional weapons be enough?
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Will conventional weapons be enough? After '90s mil-tech 'fire sale,' mini-nukes may be necessary, say Pentagon officials -- -- By Paul Sperry © 2001 WorldNetDaily.com WASHINGTON -- Ten years ago, foreign enemies watched, slack-jawed, as U.S. armed forces put on a high-tech show in the Persian Gulf. They previously had no idea what U.S. military capabilities were, especially in the areas of night vision, sensors and weapons technology. And everyone from China to Iran to Syria were shocked at the ease with which the U.S. smashed Saddam Hussein's vaunted army. They said, 'Gee, we didn't know we could get our clocks cleaned like that,' said Dave Klimaj, a former Defense Department engineer who worked on night-vision and sensors technology. So they spent the next 10 years stealing our technology -- that is, when [former President] Clinton wasn't handing it to them on a silver platter. During the Clinton years, he said, military-defense technologies were shipped overseas in a giant fire sale. Peter Leitner, a Pentagon export-control officer, agrees that the previous administration's relaxation of controls on dual-use exports has given U.S. enemies -- namely China and the anti-American terrorist states it re-exports U.S. military-related technology to -- an unnecessary leg-up in conventional warfare. Clinton effectively dismantled the military-related export controls regime, said Leitner, who reviews dual-use export license applications for the Defense Threat Reduction Agency. And now, that technology is gone, said Klimaj, who retired from the Pentagon last year. You can't pull it back. It's overseas. In the new war against terrorism, expected to start any day now, Klimaj predicts that American forces will see our technologies being shot back at us. He also suspects the ruling Taliban militia of Afghanistan, with whom China has unusually close ties, may use American sensors and other technology to track and target American forces. We'll use that to shoot at them, but you don't think they'll be so stupid that they won't see us coming with our technology? he said. The cat's out of the bag. That's the worst thing, he added. When we go to war, we're fighting our own technology now, because it's all gone. And they're all laughing at us. Klimaj doubts missile strikes or carpet-bombing will do the job in Afghanistan, where the terrain is so rugged, and soldiers so dug in, that the invading Soviet army eventually gave up and retreated. In 1998, U.S. forces pumped some 60 Tomahawk cruise missiles into Osama bin Laden's terrorist training camps in Khost, Afghanistan, and they didn't touch bin Laden. Enter the n-word. Klimaj thinks, regrettably, that the U.S. may have to resort to using low-grade tactical nuclear weapons this time. I don't think the conventional weapons will work, he said. I think we may have to use little nukes. Nobody likes to see that word [nuke], but you can't carpet-bomb Afghanistan, Klimaj argued. It didn't do any good in Vietnam. It really didn't work that well in the Gulf. And it's not going to do anything now. -- -- *COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] Want to be on our lists? Write at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a menu of our lists! A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory
[CTRL] Lone House dissenter's extremist history
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Lone House dissenter's extremist history Barbara Lee has extensive Communist, foreign ties -- -- © 2001 WorldNetDaily.com The lone vote in the House of Representatives opposing military action in response to the terrorist attacks on the U.S. has a long history of associations with Communist Party and extremist groups and individuals, WorldNetDaily investigations show. Rep. Barbara Lee, D-Calif., is a long-time friend of Communist Party militant Angela Davis who succeeded another radical from the city of Oakland, Rep. Ron Red Dellums. The votes in the House and Senate Friday authorized military action by the executive branch and provided $40 billion to help cover the costs of retaliation and rebuilding from the devastation of Tuesday suicide attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon. Lee paid her establishment political dues â first as an aide to Dellums and later as a California assemblywoman and state senator. However, less known is Lee's service on the national coordinating committee of the Committees of Correspondence, an organization that splintered from the Communist Party USA in 1991. Davis, the three-time Communist Party candidate for vice president of the United States, served by her side. Earlier, while working with Dellums, she joined the U.S.-Grenada Friendship Society, a front group supporting the Communist dictatorship of Maurice Bishop, a close ally of Cuban dictator Fidel Castro. Just months before the U.S. invasion that toppled Bishop in 1983, Lee and Dellums visited the island on official business of the House Armed Services Committee to gauge the military threat posed to the United States by an international airport being built there by Cubans. According to documents captured by U.S. military forces in Grenada, Lee personally presented Bishop's Politburo with a draft of Dellums' report before it was presented to his congressional committee. Despite revelations about this in 1993, Dellums went on to become chairman of the committee so vital to national security. Lee went on to become a member of the California Legislature. She threatened Joseph Farah, now the editor of WorldNetDaily, with a defamation lawsuit for publishing this information during her first term as a California assemblywoman. She dropped the threat after being challenged to provide any evidence that the charges were not true. The minutes of a Politburo meeting held in 1982 say Lee actually encouraged the Communist government to make a revision in the report to minimize the military significance of the Grenada airport. Less than a year later, the captured documents reveal, Lee helped coordinate a tour of the West Coast for Ian Jacobs, Grenada's deputy U.N. ambassador, as part of a propaganda offensive to counterattack President Reagan's verbal attack on Grenada. Once again, Angela Davis was by her side. President Reagan later ordered an invasion of the island when U.S. medical students were taken hostage by the Cuban-backed regime. When U.S. Marines landed, they were met with armed resistance, not from local forces, but from Cuban infantry regulars. Lee's friendly relations with Cuba date back even further. In 1979, while on Dellums' staff, she traveled to Havana to attend a conference of non-aligned nations, a Cold War euphemism for countries aligned with the Soviet Union. She attended the conference not as an employee of the federal government, which she was, but rather claiming to be a journalist for the left-wing alternative San Francisco paper, the Sun-Reporter. The San Francisco paper Lee represented in Cuba was edited at the time by the late Carlton Goodlett. On April 22, 1970, Goodlett received the Lenin Peace Prize in Moscow. It was quite an affair â attended by Leonid Brezhnev and other party notables. The date marked Lenin's 100th birthday. Until 1956, the Lenin Prize was called the Stalin Stipend. The name was changed only after Nikita Khruschev denounced mass murderer Josef Stalin at the 20th Party Congress in Moscow. It was not just an honorary award for promoting the cause of world Communism and Soviet hegemony. The prize was established in 1928 as the socialist rival to the Nobel Prize and paid its recipients amounts ranging from 50,000 to 100,000 rubles. When Goodlett returned with his cash, he proceeded to file as a candidate for governor of California in that year's election. He also bankrolled the first big election bids of former California Assembly Speaker Willie Brown and Dellums. In October 1997, a Freedom of Information Act request was filed with the FBI. It sought information about Goodlett, particularly with respect to the Lenin Prize and about his backing of Dellums. A few weeks later, Dellums surprised virtually everyone on Capitol Hill, throughout his district and across the nation by
[CTRL] Bin Laden cohorts said in arms quest
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Bin Laden cohorts said in arms quest By Bill Gertz THE WASHINGTON TIMES Islamic extremists linked to Osama bin Laden are seeking chemical or biological weapons and even nuclear arms that could be used in future attacks, intelligence specialists say. A U.S. intelligence official said yesterday there are reports that bin Laden's organization has acquired some type of nuclear device. Osama bin Laden and his network have shown a strong interest in [chemical weapons], said former CIA intelligence chief John Gannon. Mr. Gannon stated at a recent conference on terrorists' use of weapons of mass destruction that the number of extremist groups seeking biological and chemical arms is increasing. We know that bin Laden's organization has attempted to develop poisonous gases that could be fired at U.S. troops in Gulf states, said Mr. Gannon, who now works with Intellibridge, a private firm. Commenting on future dangers, Mr. Gannon stated: If you don't get hit by a North Korean ICBM (intercontinental ballistic missile) over the next five years, chances are you will suffer a horrible, premature death when Osama bin Laden poisons your hometown water supply. Vince Cannistraro, a former CIA counterterrorism official, said bin Laden and his networks have gone into hiding since Tuesday's attacks, fearing retaliatory strikes from the United States. There have been intelligence reports indicating that bin Laden associates training in Afghanistan have been trying to develop chemical weapons, U.S. officials say. In 1999, bin Laden stated that his followers should seek to possess the weapons that could counter those of the infidels' and that doing so was a religious duty. Other attacks could be in the works, according to U.S. intelligence officials. However, counterterrorism specialists believe it is unlikely that future attacks will be like Tuesday's hijacking-suicide aircraft strikes. Security measures will be increased to make such attacks more difficult, driving terrorists to seek other targets and methods. Bin Laden's indiscriminate and large-casualty attacks show he is a prime candidate to use weapons of mass destruction, Mr. Cannistraro said. Is he willing to do that? Obviously, he keeps escalating the terrorist operations he pulls. Bin Laden-linked terrorists have been blamed for the embassy bombings in Africa in 1998, the attack on the USS Cole in Yemen, and now for three successful attacks and an apparent failed one that involved a total of at least 19 suicide bombers, Mr. Cannistraro said. He added that Bin Laden's method is to never follow exactly the same pattern as the last attack, and that indicates he may move to weapons of mass destruction. Mr. Cannistraro said there are indications an Islamic front group in Chicago tied to bin Laden has invested in a company that produces chlorine for swimming pools. There are concerns the plant also could be used to produce chemical arms, he said. Mr. Gannon stated that the threat of terrorist attack using biological or chemical weapons is grave because the problem has not been defined well and federal authorities have not joined forces to deal with it. We are, as a result, more open to a serious incident and to surprise in general, Mr. Gannon said. Deadly biological weapons, such as anthrax, can be developed with minimal laboratory capabilities. It is more difficult to deploy them as weapons. Chemical weapons also can be produced with relative ease, as shown by the 1995 subway attack with Sarin nerve agent developed by the Japanese group Aum Shinri Kyo. There is also evidence bin Laden's umbrella organization al-Qaeda, the Base, is seeking nuclear weapons. A 1998 FBI complaint made public in New York stated that al-Qaeda has tried since 1993 to buy enriched uranium for the purpose of developing nuclear weapons. The State Department's latest annual report on international terrorism stated that the possibility of terrorist attacks using chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or large explosive weapons remained real. Most terrorists continued to rely on conventional tactics, such as bombing, shooting, and kidnapping, but some terrorists -- such as Osama bin Laden and his associates -- continued to seek [chemical, biological, radiological and nuclear] capabilities, the report said. Terrorists willing to inflict large numbers of casualties may be attracted to such weapons, it said. Former State Department counterterrorism official Larry Johnson said bin Laden may be seeking weapons of mass destruction but that actually getting them and using them in terrorist attacks would be difficult. Still, if somehow he gets access to a weapon [of mass destruction], there is little to prevent him from using it, he said. *COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section
[CTRL] Passengers likely halted attack on D.C.
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Passengers likely halted attack on D.C. By John Ritter and Tom Kenworthy, USA TODAY Mark Bingham. Unknown to each other, Jeremy Glick, Tom Burnett, Todd Beamer and Mark Bingham were just four businessmen boarding an early morning, cross-country flight. Thirty-something, successful, take-charge guys, fate brought them together on San Francisco-bound Flight 93 last Tuesday. Three of them had been scheduled to leave sooner. Boarding with them on that clear, warm morning in Newark, N.J., was another group of men well known to one another. They were four men who had trained long and hard for this day. Saeed Alghamdi, Ahmed Alhaznawi, Ahmed Alnami and Ziad Jarrahi were bound together in a suicide plot, the FBI says, bent on turning the United Airlines jetliner into a guided missile and crashing it into a national landmark. It now seems likely that those two groups of men â the gung-ho American businessmen and the militant extremist hijackers â became locked in a desperate struggle aboard Flight 93. The Americans apparently tried to save the jet or make sure it didn't reach its target; the hijackers were intent on completing their holy mission. America is hailing the 37 passengers and 7 crewmembers on Flight 93 as heroes. Pennsylvania Sen. Arlen Specter has gone as far as promoting them for Presidential Medals of Freedom. Six days after the jet plowed into the soft earth of a former strip mine in rural southwestern Pennsylvania, killing all aboard, details are emerging about the terrifying last minutes of Flight 93. The Boeing 757's two black boxes, recovered deep in the jet's impact crater, may yield clues. In particular, investigators hope to piece together the tale of Flight 93 from the cockpit voice recorder, designed to preserve the last 30 minutes of in-flight talk. FBI and National Transportation Safety Board experts were analyzing it over the weekend. For now, the case for hero status rests on the emotional accounts of relatives who talked to passengers calling from cellphones and seat-back phones after the hijackers took over the jet. In interviews since the crash, relatives have asserted that loved ones knew other jets already had slammed into the World Trade Center towers. They hatched a plan to thwart their captors. They knew they probably would die in the effort. The last words relatives heard included those of one man who said, We're going to do something, and another who said, Let's roll. What caused Flight 93's abrupt final dive just after 10 a.m. isn't known. The Americans could have overpowered the hijackers and deliberately ditched the jet to save lives on the ground. A cockpit struggle could have caused whoever was flying the jet to lose control. It has even been suggested, though vigorously denied by the Pentagon, that the jet was shot down. Jets relatively easy to fly From radar logs, this much is known: After a 40-minute delay, the jet took off from Newark at 8:44 a.m. from Gate 17, Concourse A and flew west, climbing to 35,000 feet. The cabin, with about 180 seats, was less than one-quarter full. Passengers probably had spread out for more comfort on the 5-hour cruise to San Francisco. Five flight attendants served breakfast. The flight was routine for just over an hour, when the jet suddenly turned south as it reached Cleveland and headed back the way it came. handout Beamer. By then, the hijackers, wielding knives and threatening to detonate a bomb, must have been in control. Beamer, one of the four businessmen thought to have led a counterattack, picked up a seat-back phone, operated by GTE. In the call that reached a GTE supervisor, Beamer said hijackers had herded 26 passengers into first class. Beamer, nine other passengers and the five flight attendants were ordered to sit in back. This group likely included the four businessmen. Beamer said he didn't know what happened to the two pilots and the remaining passenger. Investigators believe hijackers on all four doomed jets last Tuesday had enough training, some of it acquired at flight schools in the USA, to switch courses and take aim at their targets. Manufacturers have gone to great lengths to make modern jets like the Boeing 757 and 767 easy to fly. Cockpit controls behave similarly to controls on small private planes. Hijacker pilots might not have been capable of a flawless landing, but flying the jets would not have been a problem. It's also likely that they knew how to reset flight computers to change course. At the least, on that bright, clear day with hundreds of miles of visibility, the hijackers could have turned the jet around, checked the compass and dead-reckoned their way to the nation's capital. Distress calls go out Not long after the jet's U-turn, calls started going out to loved ones on the ground. Lauren Grandcolas, 38, of San Rafael, Calif., returning from her grandmother's funeral in
[CTRL] Osama leaves Kandahar, moves to rural Afghanistan
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Osama leaves Kandahar, moves to rural Afghanistan K J M Varma (PTI) Islamabad, September 16 -- -- Anticipating US strikes, wanted Saudi dissident Osama bin Laden has sneaked out of the Afghan town of Kandahar, along with his wives, children and followers and moved to an undisclosed secret location in Afghanistan. Pakistan daily The News quoting sources in Kandahar said that not a single Arab national was now visible in the city. They said Osama's large family had been shifted to safer places in the countryside. He is reported to have four wives and several children. Even before he became the prime suspect for Tuesday's terrorist attacks in US, Osama lived in secret locations from where he managed to evade round the clock monitoring of his movements by high tech American satellites. The daily said Osama and his men are reported to have moved to one of their hideouts in a remote part of the country. In the past also, the Saudi-born renegade shifted base whenever there was a threat of an American retaliation and moved out of populated areas. According to his aides, the relocation to a more secure rural place was not only necessary for Osama's safety but it also reduced the chances of civilian casualties in case of an attack. Some of the Mujahideen bases from the days of the Afghan Jehad against the Soviet occupation troops during 1979-89 have served as useful hideouts for Osama, Taliban and others in the recent years, it said. The Soviet Army suffered heavy casualties in its bid to capture these bases and had to invariably pullback even if it briefly occupied some of them. Asked if there were secret places where Osama could hide in case of a US attack, the sources said Afghanistan was a large country with mountains, deserts and remote valleys offering safe sanctuaries, it said. The daily said Osama has several hide-outs in different parts of Afghanistan. However, he used to spend most of his time near Kandahar where his wives and children lived. He often visited one of his bases near Jalalabad but it was his training camp in Khost in southern Afghanistan that came under a Tomahawk cruise missile attack by the US on August 20, 1998. Osama survived the attack and his camp remained largely intact. Beside Osama and his followers, many Afghans were also shifting from Kandahar to safer places, it said. *COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] Want to be on our lists? Write at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a menu of our lists! A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Troops mass on Afghan border
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Troops mass on Afghan border By Christopher Kremmer, Gay Alcorn and Mark Riley, Herald Correspondents Afghan and Pakistani troops were reported to be massing on the border between the countries as the United States issued an ultimatum to the ruling Taliban in Afghanistan to give up Osama bin Laden and prepared for a dirty war against terrorists. The Taliban deployed between 20,000 and 25,000 troops just across the border from the Khyber Pass into Pakistan, a Pakistani army officer reported late yesterday. At the same time, reinforcements of Pakistani troops had fanned out along the 1,400 kilometre western border with Afghanistan, Captain Ahmed Bahtti said. We are also forming our forces, but there has been no firing, he said at a military base in the Khyber Pass, about 200 kilometres west of the capital, Islamabad. The United States will review its intelligence operations to allow presidents to order assassinations and the recruitment of criminals as spies in the hunt for those behind the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington. As the country prepares for massive military strikes against the Taliban militia, the Vice-President, Mr Dick Cheney, said it had to work the dark side of intelligence if it was to win its declared war on terrorism. It is a mean, nasty, dangerous, dirty business out there and we have to operate in that arena, he said. We also have to work the dark side. We have to spend time in the shadow. In other developments: Pakistani officials were preparing for crisis talks with the Taliban militia's supreme leader, Mullah Mohammed Omar, in a desperate bid to avert war between Afghanistan and the US. The US demanded that the Taliban hand over bin Laden, the prime suspect in the attacks, within the next few days or face military attack. Rescuers at the World Trade Centre shifted their focus to recovering bodies as a fourth consecutive day passed with no survivors found. The number of dead or missing there reached 4,957, while the death toll in the Pentagon attack stood at 188. Australian investors, spooked by fears of a plunge in New York, yesterday wiped more than $30 billion off the value of Australian stocks. The All Ordinaries index closed at its lowest in 18 months. At one stage the insurance company QBE lost about 40 per cent of its market value after it admitted that its exposure to the New York attacks was higher than first anticipated. In the US, Mr Cheney made clear that the planned assault on terrorism would be far broader than military strikes and the Secretary of State, Mr Colin Powell, said the Administration was examining everything related to intelligence, including removing the ban on assassinations. Mr Cheney said the CIA needed to recruit very unsavoury characters if it was to infiltrate terrorist groups. The intelligence community has come under intense scrutiny after its failure to detect that terrorists planned to hijack commercial planes and crash them into major landmarks last week. Mr Cheney said he had no doubt that bin Laden was behind the attacks but warned that other groups, including the Egyptian Jihad, may have been involved. Opinion polls show that Americans support the assassination of bin Laden, and when Mr Cheney was asked if he would like the suspect's head on a platter, he replied: I would take it today. However, many lawyers say state-backed killings would breach international law and send a signal that the US is abandoning its stance as a beacon for democracy and legal process. The country was on a full war footing yesterday, with Mr Bush preparing Americans for a long crusade against terrorism and warning them of possible future attacks on US soil. We will rid the world of the evil-doers, he said. They have roused a mighty giant and make no mistake about it, were determined. US sources say that if the Taliban turns over bin Laden and shuts his network of training camps in Afghanistan, it will be allowed to stay in power. But US officials said the chances of the Taliban agreeing were very poor. The head of Pakistan intelligence, Lieutenant-General Mehmud Ahmed, arrived in the southern Afghan town of Kandahar early yesterday and met senior Taliban officials. He was expected to call on Mullah Omar to appeal for the handing-over of bin Laden. Lieutenant-General Mehmud was reportedly accompanied by Islamic scholars to bolster efforts to persuade the Taliban that surrendering bin Laden would not transgress religious principles. Unconfirmed reports said he was also carrying evidence, provided by Washington, of bin Laden's involvement in the attacks. The former Pakistan interior minister and retired general Naseerullah Babar, who is widely credited with creating the Taliban movement, said he believed Mullah Omar could be persuaded to see reason. But a former Pakistan foreign secretary, Mr Niaz Naik, said he feared the mission
[CTRL] US push for terror coalition sparks rift with Israel
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! US push for terror coalition sparks rift with Israel JERUSALEM, Sept 17 (AFP) - Washington's push to forge an international coalition to fight terrorism has caused a sharp split between Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and Israel's closest ally, the United States. Sharon has warned he is unwilling to make any sacrifices to help the United States stitch together the coalition that would mean an easing of his campaign against the Palestinians, including military strikes. He has rejected US pressure to reopen direct talks with Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat, an initiative which Washington believes could attract the maximum number of Arab nations to sign on to the nascent US-led coalition. US Secretary of State Colin Powell has even mooted teaming up with Syria nd Iran, both considered pro-terrorist states by Washington, so that a hoped-for broad coalition against terrorism does not seem to be targetting Islam. Saudi-born dissident Islamist Osama bin Laden, being sheltered by the hardline Islamic Taliban militia in Afghanistan, is Washington's prime suspect in last week's suicide attacks on New York and Washington. But Sharon flatly ruled out taking part in any operation that involves Syria, which hosts nearly a dozen radical Palestinian groups largely opposed to any peace negotiations with the Jewish state. Israel also considers Islamic Iran -- whose supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei calls the Jewish state a cancerous tumour which must be destroyed -- as its principal threat to survival. Just as US President George W. Bush's father left Israel on the sidelines to win Arab participation in a coalition to oust Iraqi troops from Kuwait in the Gulf War, the Jewish state looks again to be left out of the spotlight. That's like in the Gulf War, says Israeli analyst Mark Heller from the Jaffee Centre for Strategic Studies in Tel Aviv. Exactly the same thing. Israel provided only discreet intelligence help during the 1991 conflict. Now the Bush administration has been pressing the hardline Sharon to go ahead with talks with Arafat, which the premier has vowed will not go ahead without a prior 48 hours of absolute calm -- meaning no anti-Israeli attacks. The public announcement of Washington's request seems to be aimed at countering Sharon's bid to delegitimise Arafat through his comparison of the Palestinian leader with the suspected terrorist mastermind bin Laden. A close Arafat advisor who asked not to be named told AFP: The Americans understand that to build such a coalition, they cannot exclude the Palestinians and they cannot ignore the Palestinian question. He said Bush's understanding of the need to include the Palestinians was a bit of surprising wisdom. Sharon on Sunday slightly backed off from his tough stance, saying a meeting between Arafat and Foreign Minister Shimon Peres could happen after 48 hours of calm, after earlier ruling out such talks. He may have been keen not to appear to be snubbing the nation which gives Israel three billion dollars in aid every year, but few believe the talks have a chance because of the unlikelihood of two solid days without violence. It's a way for him to say no, to say 'yes but' -- and the 'but' is the onus on Arafat, analyst Heller said. And, indeed, Sharon has not softened his stance all that much. Israel will not make any concessions, and I emphasize any concessions, when it comes to its security, he told the Jerusalem Post. *COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] Want to be on our lists? Write at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a menu of our lists! A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A
Re: [CTRL] U.S. Flag Offensive? (fwd) [1/2]
-Caveat Lector- From: foxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] U.S. Flag Offensive? (fwd) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 13:12:06 -0400 Organization: self MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_007C_01C13F7A.5A04AB60 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --=_NextPart_000_007C_01C13F7A.5A04AB60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From their web site: NCCI Changes Position, Gives Employees American Flags=20 (Boca Raton, FL) NCCI Holdings, Inc., today announced that it has = changed its position on flags in its workplace and offered any employees = who wanted them American flags and red-white-and-blue lapel ribbons as = they entered the workplace this morning. President CEO Bill Schrempf said he was meeting with employees this = morning to explain the company's change and apologize for not permitting = them to display the American flag on Friday during the National Day of = Prayer and Remembrance. In announcing the change, Schrempf indicated that NCCI's senior = management team met over the weekend and decided to reverse the = company's longstanding position, which had been intended to protect = employees.=20 This morning, the company took the following actions concerning the = display of the American flag by its employees: 1. Any interested employee can display an American flag on their = desktop. Flags will be provided for this purpose, if employees would = like to have one to display. 2. Red, white blue lapel remembrance ribbons are being provided for = those who want to wear them. - Original Message - From: foxter Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 1:35 AM To: Gary O'D; Elaine Subject: THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS AND MUST STOP !!! - Original Message -=20 From: David McDivitt=20 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]=20 Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 12:46 AM Subject: (fwd) Florida Company Bans Stars Stripes! To: Matthew Gaylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Florida Company Bans Stars Stripes! From: Matthew Gaylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 22:13:09 -0400 [Note from Matthew Gaylor: It is the right of a business to set any=20 sort of rules they wish. Conversely it is also a right for other=20 businesses and individuals to boycott any anti-patriotic company. I=20 urge you to take the time and call or write NCCI Holdings, Inc.] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Florida Company Bans Stars Stripes! Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 18:11:03 -0700 Sunday, September 16, 2001 Florida Company Bans Old Glory From Offices In a shocking example of out-of-control political correctness, a Boca Raton, Florida company ordered managers to confiscate American flags from employees' desks, calling them divisive symbols that might = offend someone's tender sensibilities. At a time when Americans all across the nation were being asked to display Old Glory in honor of the thousands who died in New York and Washington Tuesday, this outrageous assault on the company's = employees' patriotism was justified by a top official of NCCI Holdings, Inc. as a gesture of compassion for those employees who might be offended by the sight of a flag for which tens of thousands of Americans laid down = their lives to defend in past wars. The company which monitors workers compensation insurance data, told = its 850 Boca Raton employees that displays of nationalism had no place in the office. Divisive statements or actions, political or religious discussions = and anything else that could be divisive or mean different things to different people are not appropriate in our work environment, wrote Chief Executive Officer Bill Schrempf in a memo to employees, = according to the Palm Beach Post. It just boggles my mind that here in America or anywhere in America, one would be restricted from displaying it, one employee wrote in an e-mail to Schrempf a copy of which was sent to The Palm Beach Post. = Too many people these days, including yourself, it seems, seem to forget what the flag symbolizes and that many men and women served to defend that flag. I think you should show a little more respect. Incredibly, one employee told the Post she was suspended and told to = go home Friday morning when she refused to remove a small flag from her desk. The company refused to confirm whether it had asked any = employees to leave, the Post reported. NCCI spokesman Michael Bullard told the Post the company has a long-standing policy of prohibiting employees from bringing political = or
Re: [CTRL] U.S. Flag Offensive? (fwd) [2/2]
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Re: [CTRL] ABC blip ... wasDrudge- Mystery Object Caught On Tape After
-Caveat Lector- After looking at the FOX video showing an unknown object and then go to http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/worldtrade010911.html and scroll down a bit and click on Video coverage you'll be taken to a small page that lists the videos. If you click on World Trade Center Crashes and watch the tape of the man being interviewed (by Peter Jennings, I think) you will notice that shortly after the crash, there is a distinct blip in the tape which might be coincidental with the time the unknown object passes across the sky in the FOX video of the same event. Samantha In a message dated 9/16/01 8:20:28 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: MYSTERY OBJECT CAUGHT ON TAPE MOMENTS AFTER SECOND TOWER HIT A flying mystery object was captured on video just moment after a second aircraft crashed into New York's World Trade Center, it can be revealed. MORE Stills from a video taken by GAMMA PRESS USA -- showing the twin towers from an east angle -- clearly show an unknown object moving at a 90 degree angle to the second plane's flight path. Was a military jet following the second plane? Is the object a radar-guided missile that was fired at the airliner -- but arrived seconds late? Is the object a post-event distortion by a GAMMA PRESS editor? Could the image be a giant piece of debris racing toward the horizon? A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] U.S. Flag Offensive? (fwd)
That snivelingNCCI Company reneged. They will doubtless be back with other measures in the future, the leopard can't change its spots. * NCCI Changes Position,Gives Employees American Flags (Boca Raton, FL) NCCI Holdings, Inc., today announced that it has changed its position on flags in its workplace and offered any employees who wanted them American flags and red-white-and-blue lapel ribbons as they entered the workplace this morning. President CEO Bill Schrempf said he was meeting with employees this morning to explain the company's change and apologize for not permitting them to display the American flag on Friday during the National Day of Prayer and Remembrance. In announcing the change, Schrempf indicated that NCCI's senior management team met over the weekend and decided to reverse the company's longstanding position, which had been intended to protect employees. This morning, the company took the following actions concerning the display of the American flag by its employees:1. Any interested employee can display an American flag on their desktop. Flags will be provided for this purpose, if employees would like to have one to display.2. Red, white blue lapel remembrance ribbons are being provided for those who want to wear them. - Original Message - - Original Message - From: Yardbird To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 9:36 AM Subject: [CTRL] U.S. Flag Offensive? (fwd) -Caveat Lector-[Note. Thanks to the several who forwarded this, see below for emailaddresses for NCCI, thanks to Chester L McWhorter Sr. - Tony]Monday, September 17More from TheWireSaturday, September 15NCCI pulls workers' flagsBy Phil Galewitz, Palm Beach Post Staff WriterSaturday, September 15, 2001http://www.gopbi.com/partners/pbpost/epaper/editions/saturday/business_3.htmlOn a day of national mourning and prayer, a Boca Raton company had itsmanagers confiscate some American flags from employees' cubicles, sayingother workers might find them offensive.NCCI Holdings Inc., a company that compiles workers compensation insurancedata, told its 850 Boca Raton employees that displays of nationalism had noplace in the office."Divisive statements or actions, political or religious discussions andanything else that could be divisive or mean different things to differentpeople are not appropriate in our work environment," Chief ExecutiveOfficer Bill Schrempf said Friday in a memo to employees.Several employees complained about the flag prohibition. One employee saidshe was suspended and told to go home Friday morning when she refused toremove a small flag from her desk. The company refused to confirm whetherit had asked any employees to leave."It just boggles my mind that here in America or anywhere in America, onewould be restricted from displaying it," one employee wrote in an e-mail toSchrempf that also was sent to The Palm Beach Post. "Too many people thesedays, including yourself, it seems, seem to forget what the flag symbolizesand that many men and women served to defend that flag. I think you shouldshow a little more respect."NCCI spokesman Michael Bullard said the company has a long-standing policyof prohibiting employees from bringing political or religious symbols intothe workplace.Fewer than 10 flags were removed from cubicles, Bullard said. "It seems tome only a small number of people are upset about this," he said.Palm Beach Gardens human resources consultant Rita Craig said companiesneed to understand that "right now, more than ever, people want tocelebrate the fact that they're American.""Let's face it, this is the United States. Our flag signifies our freedom,"Craig said. "It's not saying that other countries are bad."Other large Palm Beach County employers, including Delray Beach-basedOffice Depot and the Palm Beach County School District, allowed theirworkers to display the flag at their desks.At FPL Group Inc. in Juno Beach, some employees were given small flags,said Pat Davis, a company spokeswoman.At Office Depot, the company sent an e-mail to employees Thursdayencouraging them to wear red, white and blue clothing on Friday, saidcompany spokesman Lauren Garvey.NCCI observed a moment of silence at noon Friday, gathering its workers inthe headquarters' atrium. The company also has offered to help businessesaffected by the terrorist attacks. The attacks at the World Trade Centerand Pentagon will generate thousands of workers compensation claims.NCCI said it was not directly affected by Tuesday's terrorist attack,though some employees lost family and friends, Bullard said.Gov. Jeb Bush this week urged all Floridians with flags to fly them. Radiostations and various groups have urged Americans to display the flag thisweek as a sign of national strength and
[CTRL] Fwd: Fuse to a Holy War (Emanuel A. Winston) July, 2001
All the capitol cities to be vaporized? the Israeli Dream? Read this piece of crap and it was Woe to Ariel Sharon who said - they got the oil, but I have the match? What do we do now beware of Arab Jews? THE FUSE TO A HOLY WAR By Emanuel A. Winston Middle East Analyst Commentator Yassir Arafat, in linkage with numerous Islamic interests, wishes to act as the trigger to the main charge of the Islamic fundamentalists' Jihad (Holy War). The main explosive charge are the Muslims, particularly those who act as Islamic radicals. Arafat desperately needs the cooperation of Israel's Prime Minister Ariel Sharon to respond to his ramping up of terror attacks. While the exact sequence of events cannot be specifically predictable, it would go something like this: Stage 1: Massive atrocity against Israelis by Arafat's Arabs. (Israeli public demands major response.) Stage 2: Sharon can no longer restrain response and hits many PA/PLO targets, possibly including Hezb'Allah in Lebanon. Stage 3: Arab nations call an alert. *Egypt pulls its troops to the Suez Canal. *Syria brings its forces to edge of the Golan and the Lebanese border with Israel. *Iraq brings its troops, tanks, missiles to the Jordanian border, with cooperation from Syria. *Iran - an unpredictable element - except for a pre-preparation to fire long-range missiles. Stage 4: Israel calls for full alert. *Israeli troops move to three borders, namely, North to Lebanon; East to Jordan and South to face Egypt near Gaza. Stage 5: Arafat gives another of his infamous Green Lights *For various terror groups to conduct suicide bombings, blow road intersections, try to impede mobilization of IDF. *Signal local Israeli Arabs to cause havoc and panic within Israeli population centers. Here again, main arteries are to be cut by explosives, wherever possible. *Signal local population of Arabs in the Palestinian Authority to attack and overrun settlements, take hostages. The Settlements remain under-armed, under-supplied with ammunition, anti-tank missiles, mortars, etc.) *Most of Israel's regular soldier mobilized and at the border/ Settlers must go it alone! Arafat and the Arab nations will do everything possible to bring the Europeans into the conflict at all levels. This would include denying landing rights to U.S. aircraft with re-supply to Israel. Possibly, sending armed forces as forceful peace-keepers as was done in Kosovo. The E.U. (European Union) may already be prepared to do this. (This could be considered a forth front, facing the Mediterranean.) Arabists in the State Department will work diligently to restrict the sending to Israel of munitions, spare parts, materials already on order and even paid for prior to the outbreak of this next real war. After it begins, they, no doubt, will re-double their efforts to stall re-supply. They will lobby the President and Congress, using diplomatic double talk - calling it a review while they stall the shipments. President Bush will rely upon his father's old cronies, Eg., James Baker, Brent Scowcroft, John Sununu and other State Department Arabists who will recommend stalling. (Sharon is coming to Washington to confer with President Bush, requesting fulfillment of past promises of material assistance. The response will be an early indicator of Bush support. Egypt, Syria, Iraq may move forward in a coordinated attack if they see that the Israeli military is fumbling their efforts in bringing troops to the front. Recall that former Prime Minister, General Ehud Barak and past Leftist Prime Ministers had infused the military at the officers' level with Leftist officers who were politically correct and were generally pacifists. Regrettably, Sharon has not bothered to clean out the officer's corps which had been weakened by the Labor Party who were using the Army as an incubator for future Labor politicians. (Ehud Barak was merely one example of the 'sleeper' soldier, being prepared for political office.) If I were Ariel Sharon, I would assign trustworthy fighters to each of the key officers to act as liaison. Should the commanding officer start to show signs of adopting a pacifistic stance in the field - detrimental to winning wars and, according to Labor policies of appeasement and retreat - that commanding officer would be immediately recalled to a desk job. Arik Sharon, has adopted a policy of restraint in the face of Jews being murdered daily all over Israel but, particularly in the territories. Sharon has some good reasons to do so and some unsupportable reasons linked to political pressures. Arafat's program is designed to force Sharon to respond to protect the people. Soon he will have no choice even if it means being baited into a regional war with the surrounding nations. (Some problems have no good solutions.) Once again, if I were Sharon, I would let Hosni Mubarak of Egypt, Bashar Assad of Syria, Saddam Hussein of Iraq, President Khatami of Iran and King Hussein of Jordan know that if Israel is
Re: [CTRL] Mubarak:Why So Many Hate US
-Caveat Lector- yes Canada in 1812 ... e/g after we burnt the white house down. thew wrote: -Caveat Lector- Can someone name any country other than Israel, that was attacked, won the war, and has to give the land back? Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate William of Occam NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: flw [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 09:34:23 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Mubarak:Why So Many Hate US -Caveat Lector- September 17, 2001 Mubarak calls for counterterrorism treaty By Arnaud de Borchgrave THE WASHINGTON TIMES http://www.washtimes.com/world/20010917-97599642.htm SHARM-EL-SHEIKH, Egypt -- (SNIP) Asked about the all-consuming hatred of the United States that motivated last week's attacks, Mr. Mubarak said it came from a feeling of injustice --and the root cause is the Middle Eastern crisis. Muslims everywhere see America giving arms to the Israelis to kill Muslims and America not putting any conditions on the arms it gives free to Israel, he said. Muslims see the media taking the side of Israel, whatever it does. Public opinion is seething against an America which continues to support Israel irrespective of [Prime Minister Ariel] Sharon's policies that are designed to prevent the Palestinians from having their own state. Go to all the so-called moderate states in the region, from Jordan to Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates and Oman. Their leaders have told me that their streets are on the verge of boiling over. As for what can be done in the immediate future, Mr. Mubarak said, Both sides in the Palestinian-Israeli crisis should start implementing the U.S.-sponsored Mitchell report, gradually but quickly, withdrawing Israeli tanks and troops from the occupied Palestinian territories. The increasingly desperate Palestinians are encircled. They cannot send their children to school. They cannot feed them. They cannot send them to hospitals. They cannot earn a living. They cannot cannot cannot. So to recruit suicide bombers in such dire circumstances is not difficult. The Egyptian president dismissed such well-known terrorist organizations as Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah and other Palestinian extremist groups as small fry on the world stage that would fade away as soon as the Palestinians get a viable independent state with all of East Jerusalem as their capital. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED
[CTRL] List of Known Terrorist Organizations
-Caveat Lector- http://www.cdi.org/terrorism/terroristgroups-pr.html A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] WTC architect says 500,000 people worked at WTC
-Caveat Lector- One of the WTC architects (Aaron Swirski) was interviewed Sept 11th, by Jerusalem Post Radio. Among other things, he said that what was being reported was incorrect. He said it was being reported that 50,000 people worked at the WTC when in fact it was 500,000. This was said shortly after the 2 minute, 40 second point in a 4 minute interview. The interviewer kept on this point, repeated what he said and had him repeat it. There is no doubt that in his understanding there were half a million people who worked in the WTC complex, presumably the two main towers containing the bulk of the employees. He also said other intersting things, such as there was no sprinkler system in the towers, that each floor was designed to be hermetically sealed, and that the building was designed to withstand an airplane hit, albeit from a much smaller plane. Listen to the interview here: http://www.jpradio.com/Archive/2001/09/11/asx/010911swi.asx Or go to the Jerusalem Post Radio website (http://www.jpost.com/Radio/) and scroll down to Towers Should Have Stood the Blast. The paragraph reads: Aaron Swirski, one of the architects of the World Trade Center, talks exclusively to Jerusalem Post Radio on the World Trade Center collapse after the double attack. Samantha A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: LONG LIVE THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
- Original Message - From: foxter To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 3:06 PM Subject: Re: LONG LIVE THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA Ken, Thank you foryour note. I had readthe company's recanting on its website. I remain very concerned that prior to the WTC terrorist attack your company apparently had this policy of prior speech and expression restraint.And that the edict from your CEO has not been rescinded. Accordingly I wonder what other policies your management has. I see a pattern of First Amendment abuse. To sacrifice freedom of association and freedom of expression to vague, freefloating fear of those who are overly sensitiveis counterproductive to say the very least. What confidence could be placed ina corporate management which protects those who would insensiblyassert that the flag of their country is"divisive"? Whoare so unattached to reality that they would straigt-facedly cry crocodile tears that they are "offended" by seeing that flag?What the heck does this say about your company?? It is still unbelieveable to me that this happened. I can posit:if Management is that afraid of the sentiments of its own employees, those it depends on to make it money and profit, then the employees have an equally intense disesteem for Management. Per the CEO's memo: "[Anything] that could [mean different things to different people] [is] not appropriate in our work environment," wrote Chief Executive Officer Bill Schrempf in a memo to employees, according to the Palm Beach Post. That is what your CEO has said, in writing. May God Bless America and put a stop tosuch persecution of patriots in this great land as shown by NCCI. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 2:34 PM Subject: Re: LONG LIVE THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA NCCI has changed its position on flags in its workplace and offered anyemployees who wanted them American flags and red-white-and blue lapelribbons at a 11AM meeting of all NCCI employees. Thank you!Ken Christiansen "foxter" ifoxter@hotm To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], ail.com [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 09/17/2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 10:24 AM [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: LONG LIVE THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICAI urge you to ask management of your company to reverse its actions inbanning flags on its premises. NCCI is about to be made the laughingstock of this country and a target for hatred. I know I at this time hold it in the highest of contempt for this action. What NCCI managers have done is heinous and unforgiveable. If I do not hear of a change of heart I am going to try my best to boycott NCCI products, and have others do so, too, in hopes that your company will go out of business. I am not blaming anyone individually except the one(s) at the top who gave this order and any who acted on their own to carry out such a heinous initiative. I do hope that, just as the WTC tragedy has brought this entire country together it will galvanize NCCI employees to stand up for the liberty they have in our borders. Until then, I don't see that any NCCI employee can trust its management for any reason whatsoever. As he died to make men holy, Let us die to make men free GOD, BLESS AMERICA
[CTRL] Security tightened at nuclear power plants
-Caveat Lector- Security tightened at nuclear power plants Copyright APonline By WILLIAM J. KOLE, Associated Press VIENNA, Austria (September 17, 2001 9:22 a.m. EDT) - Security is being tightened at the world's nuclear power plants, an international watchdog agency said Monday, but the agency conceded that little can be done to shield a nuclear facility from a direct hit by an airliner. Most nuclear power plants were built during the 1960s and 1970s, and like the World Trade Center, they were designed to withstand only accidental impacts from the smaller aircraft widely used at the time, the International Atomic Energy Agency said as it opened its annual conference. If you postulate the risk of a jumbo jet full of fuel, it is clear that their design was not conceived to withstand such an impact, spokesman David Kyd said. U.S. Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham was among delegates from 132 nations who opened the conference with calls to better safeguard nuclear plants and keep nuclear materials out of terrorists' hands. Abraham brought a message from President Bush to the Vienna-based IAEA, urging the agency to keep pace with the real and growing threat of nuclear proliferation. The world must ensure that nuclear materials are never used as weapons of terror, Abraham said. We cannot assume that tomorrow's terrorist acts will mirror those we've just experienced. In the wake of last week's attacks in New York and Washington, governments have tightened security outside nuclear power and radioactive waste facilities worldwide. But Japan, which is heavily dependent on nuclear energy and has 52 nuclear plants, warned Monday that although tighter security is needed, nothing can shield the plants from attacks by missiles or aircraft. Conference delegates, who began Monday with a minute of silence and a song from the Vienna Boy's Choir in memory of the victims of the attacks on the United States, planned to meet behind closed doors Monday and Tuesday on ways to improve plant security. In the West, nuclear power plants were designed more with ground vehicle attacks in mind, Kyd said. Although many were designed to withstand a glancing blow from a small commercial jetliner, a direct hit at high speed by a modern jumbo jet could create a Chernobyl situation, said a U.S. official who declined to be identified. But the buildings that house nuclear reactors themselves are far smaller targets than the Pentagon posed, and it would be extremely difficult for a terrorist to mount a direct hit at an angle that could unleash a catastrophic chain of events, Kyd said. If a nuclear power plant were hit by an airliner, the reactor would not explode, but such a strike could destroy the plant's cooling systems. That could cause the nuclear fuel rods to overheat and produce a steam explosion that could release lethal radioactivity into the atmosphere. Steve Wingate, Webmaster ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] German market regulator to look into claims of suspicious short-selling before attacks
-Caveat Lector- German market regulator to look into claims of suspicious short-selling before attacks By DAVID McHUGH, Associated Press FRANKFURT, Germany (September 17, 2001 11:35 a.m. EDT) - Germany's stock market regulator said Monday it was looking into claims of suspicious short-selling before the terrorist attacks in New York and Washington last week. The German agency's statement came amid market rumors that Osama bin Laden may have tried to profit from stock trading before the attacks. Published reports have said European and U.S. investigators were checking stock movements of three big European reinsurance companies - Germany's Munich Re, Switzerland's Swiss Re and AXA of France. Reinsurance companies provide coverage for losses by insurers. Industry experts have said losses due to the attacks could reach $20 billion. Sabine Reimer, a spokeswoman for Germany's federal securities regulator, said it was looking at shares as part of routine market observation of share price developments and trade volume, within the scope of our usual responsibilities. Reimer stressed that it was too early to say what shares might be involved or what kind of investigation might result, but the devastating events of last week make routine examination of shares all the more important. Asked about reports that the terrorists may have tried to profit from the attacks, U.S. Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill, appearing on CBS Monday, would say only: As part of our general program to go after these rotten people, we're going to track down every terrorist and expected terrorist and we're going to confiscate their money wherever it is in the world. And I think we'll have the cooperation of every financial institution in every civilized society in the world. We're going to shut these people down. Uwe Velten, a spokesman for Deutsche Boerse, the Frankfurt stock market, said officials investigated trading in Munich Re stocks and found nothing suspicious on the decisive days. On the Wednesday, Thursday and Friday before the attacks, Munich Re fell 4 percent, 5 percent and 4 percent, respectively. The share fell 16 percent the day of the attacks. The DAX index was down 3 percent each of the same days and 8 percent on the day of the attack. Munich Re spokesman Rainer Kueppers said Sunday the legal department of his company knew nothing about an investigation by German authorities into suspicious trades in its shares. Short-selling involves offering shares of a stock that the seller does not yet own in the expectation that the investor will be able to buy the stock at a cheaper price than he has promised to sell. Axa and Swiss Re refused to comment Monday. However, the Swiss stock exchange said it was conducting a routine investigation of the share movements. Spokesman Juerg von Arx declined further comment. Ettore Candolfi, a member of the exchange's board, said the exchange would be conducting a price pattern analysis on Swiss Re, a routine occurrence when there was an unusual movement in the price - such as the 17-percent drop after the attacks Tuesday. There was a certain rise in volumes in the four days before the fact, but you have to bear in mind that the company also released its first half earnings, the Friday before the attack, Candolfi said. Given this, trading volume wasn't unusual, he added. Analyst Chris Hitchings, who follows the insurance industry for Commerzbank in London, conceded that certainly, there was weakness in the share prices of the two companies. But there are rational explanations for the price movements without involving bin Laden, he added, noting that Swiss Re's earnings had fallen short of expectations. After the attacks, Swiss Re said it alone expects to cover $730 million in losses from the destruction of the World Trade Center, and Munich Re estimated its exposure at up to $903 million. Also Monday, Alberto Aghemo, spokesman for Italy's stock market regulator Consob, said the agency is investigating whether there were anomalies on the day of the attacks or the days before. He refused to say whether these checks were made at the request of American authorities. France's market watchdog declined Monday to say whether it has opened an inquiry on possible short-selling of stocks, but stressed the need for extra vigilance. Stock exchanges and regulators in London declined to comment on whether they were investigating. But in Tokyo, Nobohiro Hayashi, spokesman for the Japanese Financial Supervisory Agency, said his agency was investigating possible stock manipulation in relation to the attacks. However, he refused to comment on whether there were unusual fluctuations in the Tokyo stock market before the attack or to give other details. Steve Wingate, Webmaster ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
Re: [CTRL] Mubarak:Why So Many Hate US
-Caveat Lector- my understanding is that no one won that war, so no one had taken territory and made it part of their nation, so they could not have given it back but its a long time since I studied anything about it, so I cant say -- -- -- -- -- - -- - -- -- - - - - -- --- -- - - - - -- - - - -- -- - -- - Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the Government's purposes are beneficent. Men born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evil-minded rulers. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding. Justice Louis D. Brandeis NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: iggy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 11:26:28 -0600 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Mubarak:Why So Many Hate US -Caveat Lector- yes Canada in 1812 ... e/g after we burnt the white house down. thew wrote: -Caveat Lector- Can someone name any country other than Israel, that was attacked, won the war, and has to give the land back? Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate William of Occam NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: flw [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 09:34:23 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Mubarak:Why So Many Hate US -Caveat Lector- September 17, 2001 Mubarak calls for counterterrorism treaty By Arnaud de Borchgrave THE WASHINGTON TIMES http://www.washtimes.com/world/20010917-97599642.htm SHARM-EL-SHEIKH, Egypt -- (SNIP) Asked about the all-consuming hatred of the United States that motivated last week's attacks, Mr. Mubarak said it came from a feeling of injustice --and the root cause is the Middle Eastern crisis. Muslims everywhere see America giving arms to the Israelis to kill Muslims and America not putting any conditions on the arms it gives free to Israel, he said. Muslims see the media taking the side of Israel, whatever it does. Public opinion is seething against an America which continues to support Israel irrespective of [Prime Minister Ariel] Sharon's policies that are designed to prevent the Palestinians from having their own state. Go to all the so-called moderate states in the region, from Jordan to Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates and Oman. Their leaders have told me that their streets are on the verge of boiling over. As for what can be done in the immediate future, Mr. Mubarak said, Both sides in the Palestinian-Israeli crisis should start implementing the U.S.-sponsored Mitchell report, gradually but quickly, withdrawing Israeli tanks and troops from the occupied Palestinian territories. The increasingly desperate Palestinians are encircled. They cannot send their children to school. They cannot feed them. They cannot send them to hospitals. They cannot earn a living. They cannot cannot cannot. So to recruit suicide bombers in such dire circumstances is not difficult. The Egyptian president dismissed such well-known terrorist organizations as Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah and other Palestinian extremist groups as small fry on the world stage that would fade away as soon as the Palestinians get a viable independent state with all of East Jerusalem as their capital. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list
Re: [CTRL] Iridium... was The war was prepared in advance.
-Caveat Lector- The Saudi Binladen Group commercial website has a description of the Iridium Project: (http://www.saudi-binladin-group.com/insider.htm) quoting: Up and Away, the first five IRIDIUM Satellites were successfully launched, May 5th 1997. The launch of the first IRIDIUM satellites represents another step in the dawning of a new age of communications. Motorola is proud to help IRIDIUM bring personal global communications to the world, said Motorola Chief Executive Officer Christopher Galvin. The five communication satellites were launched from the Vandenberg Air Force Base, California, heralding the start of Iridium's $3.4 billion project to launch a network of 66 low-orbit satellites. The Iridium personal communications network will be capable of delivering fax, voice,data and paging services to almost any place on earth, giving a potential global capability to mobile phones. SBG are proud to be a partner in this venture. The construction of the region's gateway, located at Jeddah, is now complete. Equipping and commissioning is on target for services to commence later in the year. end quoting The link for more info on Iridium at the bottom is not working. I get the message: The page cannot be found. The page you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable. Samantha In a message dated 9/17/01 9:44:09 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Notice that the Cabot Industrial Trust and Cabot Microelectronics were investors in the Iridium communications syndicate, along with the Saudi Binladin companies. What's interesting is how quickly the destruction of the WTC has increased the fortune and prospects of the new Iridium. Linda Minor A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Prejudice In Pakistan
-Caveat Lector- Click Here: A HREF=http://www.msnbc.com/news/629231.asp?0sp=w12b6; Prejudice In Pakistan/A --- I would like folks to notice that here corporate MSNBC/Newsweek floats a conspiracy theory one of the Isralis did it. And Drudge trying to float a mysterious object farce, also where they floated the farce of air force one codes. I have heard voiced by the populace only one other Conspiracy Theory and quite vocal and coherent. I have heard it on a national call-in on C-SPAn and it is quite evident on the internet, that of the NWO but nary a whimper of whiff on the mainstream, NPR or anywhere. The news people do not report, they manufacture consensus, manipulate and lie for their masters. How far will they go? MHO Om K - Hamid Gul, former head of Pakistan's intelligence service: 'I tell you, it was a coup' Prejudice In Pakistan Why is Islamabad reluctant to pressure neighboring Afghanistan into turning over Osama bin Laden? By Rod Nordland NEWSWEEK WEB EXCLUSIVE Sept. 14 When I got Maj. Gen. Hamid Gul on the telephone at his home to ask if I could interview him, his reaction was guarded at first. Whats your nationality? he asked. American, I said. Are you a Jew? When I said I wasnt, he agreed to the interview. Im sorry to ask you that, he added. Its just that Jews wouldnt understand what I have to say. INDEED THEY WOULDNT, and nor would most people. General Guls basic message is that Osama bin Laden is innocent, and that the attacks on New York and Washington were an Israeli-engineered attempt at a coup against the government of the United States. He rattled off the proof: You must look inside. F-16s dont scramble in time, though they had 18 minutes after the first plane hit the World Trade Center. Radar gets jammed. Transponders are turned off. A flight to Los Angeles turns to Washington and is in the air for 45 minutes, and the worlds most sophisticated air defense doesnt go into action. I tell you, it was a coup [attempt], and I cant say for sure who was behind it, but its the Israelis who are creating so much misery in the world. The Israelis dont want to see any power in Washington unless its subservient to their interests, and President Bush has not been subservient. If General Gul were anyone else, it would be easy to dismiss him as a crackpot. But here in military-ruled Pakistan, he remains an influential figure, even in semiretirement. And as the former head of Pakistans powerful Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate (ISI), its intelligence service, he had a key role in making Afghanistan what it is today. Gul is widely considered the architect of the Afghan jihad: the man who, with financial and logistical support from the CIA, engineered the fight of the mujahedin against the Soviet Union and its proxy government in Kabul in the 1980s. Now, hes a big fan of the countrys ruling Taliban, even though theyre fighting his former mujahedin allies. And hes wondering why the CIA no longer comes calling to his comfortable home in an exclusive compound for top military brass in Rawalpindi. Why dont these people talk to me? Perhaps because they dont appreciate his view that all those Arabic names emerging as suspects are CIA inventions? MSNBC'S Military Files U.S. Strategic Overview Afghanistan Iraq Pakistan Uzbekistan Yemen Not your State Department, but the CIA and DOD [Department of Defense], he says. Theyre the ones who count. Why dont they talk to me? They know me. They can trust me. Putting our trust in Pakistan will take, at best, a mighty leap of faith. The country claims to be a partner in the war against terrorism, and the current military ruler, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, has made such lip service ritually and repeatedly. After Tuesdays attacks, he condemned them as brutal and horrible acts of terror and called for the world to unite to fight against terrorism in all its forms. But the Pakistani government has so far made no effort to bring any real pressure to bear on the Taliban to turn over bin Laden, and it has encouraged and facilitated Islamic extremist groups in the disputed territory of Kashmir, as well. Its a truism that terrorists cannot function without the support of a state, and in the case of bin Laden he couldnt function without the support of Afghanistanand at least the tacit support of Pakistan as well. Afghanistan is not only land-locked, but surrounded by enemieswith the exception of Pakistan. Pakistan is the only way in or out of Afghanistan for bin Laden and his supporters, and if, as is widely believed, he is commanding and financing some 3,000 Arab soldiers in the 055 Arab Brigade, he needs a line of supply and that can only go through Pakistan. (Alternative routes, such as Iran and Tajikistan, are out of the question). Even air travel depends on crossing Pakistani air space, and theres nothing to stop the Pakistanis from
Re: [CTRL] Prejudice In Pakistan
-Caveat Lector- well he would know a coup when he sees one - after all - it was a coup that put him in power -- -- -- -- -- - -- - -- -- - - - - -- --- -- - - - - -- - - - -- -- - -- - Man's mind stretched to a new idea never goes back to its original dimensions. Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Kris Millegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 15:25:36 EDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Prejudice In Pakistan -Caveat Lector- Click Here: A HREF=http://www.msnbc.com/news/629231.asp?0sp=w12b6; Prejudice In Pakistan/A --- I would like folks to notice that here corporate MSNBC/Newsweek floats a conspiracy theory one of the Isralis did it. And Drudge trying to float a mysterious object farce, also where they floated the farce of air force one codes. I have heard voiced by the populace only one other Conspiracy Theory and quite vocal and coherent. I have heard it on a national call-in on C-SPAn and it is quite evident on the internet, that of the NWO but nary a whimper of whiff on the mainstream, NPR or anywhere. The news people do not report, they manufacture consensus, manipulate and lie for their masters. How far will they go? MHO Om K - Hamid Gul, former head of Pakistan's intelligence service: 'I tell you, it was a coup' Prejudice In Pakistan Why is Islamabad reluctant to pressure neighboring Afghanistan into turning over Osama bin Laden? By Rod Nordland NEWSWEEK WEB EXCLUSIVE Sept. 14 When I got Maj. Gen. Hamid Gul on the telephone at his home to ask if I could interview him, his reaction was guarded at first. Whats your nationality? he asked. American, I said. Are you a Jew? When I said I wasnt, he agreed to the interview. Im sorry to ask you that, he added. Its just that Jews wouldnt understand what I have to say. INDEED THEY WOULDNT, and nor would most people. General Guls basic message is that Osama bin Laden is innocent, and that the attacks on New York and Washington were an Israeli-engineered attempt at a coup against the government of the United States. He rattled off the proof: You must look inside. F-16s dont scramble in time, though they had 18 minutes after the first plane hit the World Trade Center. Radar gets jammed. Transponders are turned off. A flight to Los Angeles turns to Washington and is in the air for 45 minutes, and the worlds most sophisticated air defense doesnt go into action. I tell you, it was a coup [attempt], and I cant say for sure who was behind it, but its the Israelis who are creating so much misery in the world. The Israelis dont want to see any power in Washington unless its subservient to their interests, and President Bush has not been subservient. If General Gul were anyone else, it would be easy to dismiss him as a crackpot. But here in military-ruled Pakistan, he remains an influential figure, even in semiretirement. And as the former head of Pakistans powerful Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate (ISI), its intelligence service, he had a key role in making Afghanistan what it is today. Gul is widely considered the architect of the Afghan jihad: the man who, with financial and logistical support from the CIA, engineered the fight of the mujahedin against the Soviet Union and its proxy government in Kabul in the 1980s. Now, hes a big fan of the countrys ruling Taliban, even though theyre fighting his former mujahedin allies. And hes wondering why the CIA no longer comes calling to his comfortable home in an exclusive compound for top military brass in Rawalpindi. Why dont these people talk to me? Perhaps because they dont appreciate his view that all those Arabic names emerging as suspects are CIA inventions? MSNBC'S Military Files U.S. Strategic Overview Afghanistan Iraq Pakistan Uzbekistan Yemen Not your State Department, but the CIA and DOD [Department of Defense], he says. Theyre the ones who count. Why dont they talk to me? They know me. They can trust me. Putting our trust in Pakistan will take, at best, a mighty leap of faith. The country claims to be a partner in the war against terrorism, and the current military ruler, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, has made such lip service ritually and repeatedly. After Tuesdays attacks, he condemned them as brutal and horrible acts of terror and called for the world to unite to fight against terrorism in all its forms. But the Pakistani government has so far made no effort to bring any real pressure to bear on the Taliban to turn over bin Laden, and it has encouraged and facilitated Islamic extremist groups in the disputed territory of Kashmir, as well. Its a truism that terrorists cannot function without the support of a state, and in the case of bin Laden he couldnt function
[CTRL] Cui Bono? . . . Whose power will increase?
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.narconews.com/cuibono.html Click Here: A HREF=http://www.narconews.com/cuibono.html;Narco News Publishes Catherine Austin Fitts on /A - (Catherine Austin Fitts is former U.S. Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development and former managing director of Dillon Read. Today she is CEO of the Solari Group.) To understand events such as wars or any of the events on the nightly news, always ask the question Cui bono? which translates as Who benefits? Cui Bono? Who Benefits? Who financed the perpetrators? Whose bank and wire transfer systems does their money and precious metals or gems flow through? Who trained them and supported them over time and now? Who provides them with critical intelligence? Who sold them their equipment and arms and did they take payment in cash or drugs? Whose satellites, phone lines, and internet lines do they use? Who failed to prevent wrongdoing and do their careers and budgets go up or down? Whose budget goes up? Whose business prospers? Who knew and said nothing? Who else will make money? Who will sell arms and supplies? Who has insurance on what and does the declaration of war relieve the insurance companies of their responsibilities? Who will acquire databases, new technology, oil rights, mineral rights, bank deposits, land, financial assets, telecommunications, media and consumer markets? What groups and investors are crosscutting to the people who benefit? Who will benefit from a distraction? How do the people who benefit compare with those funding the political campaigns of those making decisions, or those who appoint those who do? How do the people who benefit compare to those who are government are dependent on to finance their deficits? Whose power will increase? Who will pay for this in terms of taxes and government debt and loss of rights, property and life? I find that if I watch what happens over a period of time and collect up the many possible answers to that question ---whether it is who makes money, who loses money, who gains in power and prestige, and who loses power and prestige, over time, I can learn a great deal about who's responsible and what their goals are. Part of asking cui bono is to understand the power of distraction. While the country invested a tremendous amount of interest in Monica Lewinsky and then a Presidential election, as much as $3 trillion went reported unaccounted for and/or missing from federal agencies without notice. The IOU for that missing money were expected to come due this fall along with various crises in the gold, derivatives, and stock markets. One symptom was the quiet logjam on the defense budget until last week. Anytime you are tempted to say But so-and-so would never do that, or But so-and-so would never exploit something like this in such a way, I would encourage you to reconsider and reach out for the hard data. A review of the statistics on who makes how much money in arms trafficking, narcotics trafficking, warfare and other forms of organized crime indicate that governments, banks and legal and illegal corporations and their investors worldwide consider these to be excellent businesses. History has shown that powerful but historically invisible wealth has a pattern of financing and ultimately manipulating all sides in a conflict. We all may say these things are wrong, but we in America have traditionally benefited from the rich flow of the profits relative to other people. Our inability in America over the last fifty years to move to local resources accountability and to increase our productivity in balance with our resource use is part of the drive for warfare, covert operations and organized crime worldwide. We have traditionally voted in the marketplace or voted at the polls for the folks who generated the most money for us through these methods. We should also ask why Americans or people who are not Americans might want to kill innocent Americans. Sam Smith published the following yesterday: RECOVERED HISTORY May 1996 LESLEY STAHL, 60 MINUTES: We have heard that a half million children have died [because of sanctions against Iraq]. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima and and you know, is the price worth it? U.N. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price we think the price is worth it. Sam's reference was to 500,000 children dead. I would add the impact of money laundering on Russia. In 1992, there were 14 million people living below poverty in the former Soviet Republics. Today that number is 147 million and rising. That is the result of global banks and investors, with the support of the US National Security Counsel, the US Treasury, the Federal Reserve, and their contractor in Russia, Harvard University, vacuum cleaning the Russian banking and financial system illegally. These are two examples. There are more. It may be a good time to collect
Re: [CTRL] Iridium... was The war was prepared in advance.
-Caveat Lector- i thought the whole irridium phone thing failed -- --- - Well, I've wrestled with reality for 35 years, doctor, and I'm happy to state I finally won out over it Elwood P Dowd NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Samantha L. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 15:20:02 EDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Iridium... was The war was prepared in advance. -Caveat Lector- The Saudi Binladen Group commercial website has a description of the Iridium Project: (http://www.saudi-binladin-group.com/insider.htm) quoting: Up and Away, the first five IRIDIUM Satellites were successfully launched, May 5th 1997. The launch of the first IRIDIUM satellites represents another step in the dawning of a new age of communications. Motorola is proud to help IRIDIUM bring personal global communications to the world, said Motorola Chief Executive Officer Christopher Galvin. The five communication satellites were launched from the Vandenberg Air Force Base, California, heralding the start of Iridium's $3.4 billion project to launch a network of 66 low-orbit satellites. The Iridium personal communications network will be capable of delivering fax, voice,data and paging services to almost any place on earth, giving a potential global capability to mobile phones. SBG are proud to be a partner in this venture. The construction of the region's gateway, located at Jeddah, is now complete. Equipping and commissioning is on target for services to commence later in the year. end quoting The link for more info on Iridium at the bottom is not working. I get the message: The page cannot be found. The page you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable. Samantha In a message dated 9/17/01 9:44:09 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Notice that the Cabot Industrial Trust and Cabot Microelectronics were investors in the Iridium communications syndicate, along with the Saudi Binladin companies. What's interesting is how quickly the destruction of the WTC has increased the fortune and prospects of the new Iridium. Linda Minor A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance?not soap-boxing?please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'?with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds?is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: W H Y ?
___ __ / |/ / /___/ / /_ //M I D - E A S T R E A L I T I E S / /|_/ / /_/_ / /\\ Making Sense of the Middle East /_/ /_/ /___/ /_/ \\©http://www.MiddleEast.Org News, Information, Analysis That Governments, Interest Groups, and the Corporate Media Don't Want You To Know! -- IF YOU DON'T GET MER, YOU JUST DON'T GET IT! To receive MER regularly email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] WAR ON TERROR FACES WEIGHT OF HISTORY By Jonathan Lyons What we need instead is an open public and civil debate on policy. Sending in troops will have absolutely no effect and will be entirely futile. Hamid Dabashi Columbia University WASHINGTON (Reuters - 17 September): As Americans struggle to come to terms with the why? of Tuesday's devastating attacks on New York and Washington, a number of experts on Islam point to what they see as decades of neglect and misguided U.S. policy toward the Muslim world. Surely the assault on symbols of the nation's financial and military power was the unprovoked work of madmen, many people say. But was it? Absolutely not, say several academic experts. They cite powerful historical, religious and economic grievances against the West, symbolized by the United States at least since 1972, when it replaced Britain as the dominant power in the Middle East. Since 1972, we've been on a death-march into the politics of the Islamic world, William Beeman, an expert on Middle East culture at Rhode Island's Brown University, told Reuters. We've had no comprehensive policy on the Middle East for many decades. This was a despicable act, but it was definitely rational, said Beeman, who noted the hijackers were educated, intelligent and able to fit undetected into U.S. society. If you say they are madmen, it allows you to do anything in response, said John Esposito, Director of the Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding at Georgetown University. The terrorists demonize us and that allows them to do what they did. We will sink to the same level of barbarism, Esposito said. Instead, say these and other experts, the United States must mine the historical record of the Islamic world and critically reassess its own Middle East policy. That would, they argue, reveal much about the best ways to respond. MEMORIES OF GREATNESS The grievance is both historical and contemporary, said Hamid Dabashi, a scholar at Columbia University. But this has to be understood in the memory of Islam as a world power. That began to unravel with Napoleon's invasion of Egypt and the defeat of the Persian and Ottoman empires at the hands of the Russians and other Europeans in the early 19th century -- a period that forced an unsuspecting Islamic world to confront its weakness in the face of the West. Islam emerged as a dialogue with the West -- the point at which it ceased to be a universal religion and became an ideology and a political response to colonialism, said Dabashi, author of Theology of Discontent, which chronicles part of this evolution. Osama bin Laden, the Saudi-born militant singled out by President Bush as a prime suspect in the attacks, clearly subscribes to this vision. In a religious decree in 1998, bin Laden gave religious sanction to attacks on Americans in order to drive U.S. troops from the lands of Islam in the holiest of places -- a clear reference to Saudi Arabia, home to the faith's most sacred site, Mecca. He and his associates also repeatedly refer to Americans as crusaders, invoking the medieval invasion of the Holy Lands, then under Muslim control, by Christian Europeans. You can hear the weight of the ages in the rhetoric of individuals like bin Laden, but he is not specifically anti-American, said Beeman. He just wants us out of there. ANGRY MUSLIM MIDDLE CLASS But it is not simply bin Laden and other militants who see the world's superpower as an economic, political and cultural force to be resisted. Increasingly, says Georgetown's Esposito, the growing Muslim middle class takes a similar view. There are many people in the Muslim world who are not extremists -- business people, professionals -- who feel the United States is a hegemon, politically and economically, Esposito said. Feeding their anger, he said, is unqualified U.S. support for Israel against the Palestinians, the bombing and sanctions against Iraq and backing for unpopular regional rulers. For them, the United States is part of the problem. A lot of
[CTRL] A Patriotic Prayer
-Caveat Lector- O Lord our Father, our young patriots, idols of our hearts, go forth to battle--be Thou near them! With them--in spirit--we also go forth from the sweet peace of our beloved firesides to smite the foe. O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it--for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen. -Mark Twain- A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd:Has anyone ever search[ed] Sinatra's CIA file?
To Whom It May Concern: I was mistaken about the location of the government U.S. Eco-Challenge it is in Alaska. Do you recognize any CIA agents, the government uses military forces within the CIA. Go to following URL: http://64.4.14.250:80/cgi-bin/linkrd?_lang=ENlah=c16cc20568aed5811191b8a5e7ed857blat=1000755089hm___action=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2eecochallenge%2ecom The other night I video-taped SUDDENLY. It is much like The Manchurian Candidate but first released in 1954. Sinatra sealed both movies after the JFK Assassination. Why? I do know that the Cassini's good friend Profiro Rubirosa Ruby was with JFK the day before the assassination on Nov. 21, 1963. Rubi was involved in two other assassinations and was the son-in-law to President Trijuillo. Rubi was also collecting his mail at Sinatra's in Palm Springs in 1962-63. Both movies were released by United Artists whose president was Igor Cassini's lawyers, Arthur Krim Louis Nizer. Krim was LBJ's personal adviser. Oleg Cassini (Jackie Kennedy's dress designer) 1st wife introduced George H.W. Bush into politics, actress Gene Tierney aka Mrs. Howard Lee of Houston! De Mohrenschildt's friend, Howard Hughes, Houston Oil man had the hots for Tierney! In 1989, I was able to get Frank Sinatra to autograph two photographs of himself with my uncle, Harold Adamson who wrote about 10 songs for Sinatra's first major movie Higher Higher, Sinatra's first song which was an Academy Award Nomination, I Couldn't Sleep A Wink Last Night. Around 1994 I called Sinatra and told him on the speaker phone that he was duped into acting in the movie The Manchurian Candidate. What was I thinking? In Suddenly Sinatra poses as a FBI Agent. In the Manchurian Candidate he is working on an FBI-CIA joint operation! Has anyone ever search Sinatra's CIA file? Bruce Adamson Below are the credits for SUDDENLY * Suddenly 1954 - USA - 75 min. - Feature, Available in Colorized Version, BW AMG Rating Director Lewis Allen Genre/Type Crime, Crime Thriller Flags Violence, Questionable for Children MPAA Rating NR Keywords assassin, hostage, maniac, politician, scheme Themes Assassination Plots, Hostage Situations Tones Tense, Gritty, Forceful Set In California Produced by Robert Bassier / United Artists / United Artists Suddenly is the name of the small town invaded by professional assassin Frank Sinatra and his henchmen. Taking a local family hostage, Sinatra sets up a vigil at the second-story window of the family's home. From here, he intends to kill the President of the United States when the latter makes a whistle-stop visit to Suddenly. The film's tension level is enough to induce goose pimples from first scene to last. Sinatra is outstanding as the disgruntled war vet who hopes to become a somebody by killing the President. The parallels between his character and Lee Harvey Oswald's are too close for comfort, so much so that Suddenly was withdrawn from local TV packages for several years after the JFK assassination. Sinatra would claim in later years that he himself engineered the removal of Suddenly from general distribution, though in fact he'd lost whatever rights he'd held on the film when it lapsed into public domain. Be sure and miss the notorious colorized version of this black-and-white thriller, wherein Sinatra is transformed into Ol' Brown Eyes. -- Hal Erickson Frank Sinatra - John Baron Sterling Hayden - Tod Shaw James Gleason - Pop Benson Nancy Gates - Ellen Benson Paul H. Frees - Benny Conklin Willis B. Bouchey - Dan Carney Christopher Dark - Bart Wheeler Kim Charney - Peter Pidge Benson III Ken Dibbs - Wilson Clark Howat - Haggerty James Lilburn - Jud Kelly Charles Smith - Bebop Paul Wexler - Slim Adams
[CTRL] Terrorists' Home Pages
-Caveat Lector- X AHEADNEWS.COM X SATURDAY SEPTEMBER 15, 2001 22:24:29 ET X This is War 9.15.01 UPDATE: Writer Todd Brendan Fahey has obtained the following URLs of persons connected to at least one deceased suspect, Marwan Alshehhi of the United Arab Emirates, a pilot of the plane which flew into the first tower; one contains a guest-book of addresses of potential importance to FBI and CIA investigators: ...Developing http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/Alley/8822/home.html ...Developing http://www.angelfire.com/al/RA7AAL/LINK.html ...Developing http://www.angelfire.com/hi/salsabeel/ ...Developing http://www.angelfire.com/ok/shay6oon/main.html ...Developing http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Lab/3555/ ...Developing http://callisto.guestworld.tripod.lycos.com/wgb/wgbview.dbm?owner=RA7AA L Additionally, through a German source, it is known that Marwan and Atta, as they were known, attended Technical University of Hamburg-Harburg, where Marwan is recalled by few and who likely finished his studies on structural architecture via correspondence or non-traditional means; Atta, conversely, moved through campus like a fish in water, and was both a physical and intellectual presence there. This list of potential terrorist cell members is exclusive to AheadNews.com by Todd Brendan Fahey and may be reprinted only in its entirety and with this sentence in place. Steve Wingate, Webmaster ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Feds Looked Into G.W. Bush-Bin Laden Connection In '92.
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.bushnews.com/attack.htm Click Here: A HREF=http://www.bushnews.com/attack.htm;World Trade Center Attack/A - Feds Looked Into G.W. Bush-Bin Laden Connection In '92. Part One Bush Said Friend's Arbusto Investment Was His Own, Not Saudi Money. Friend Declined To Comment For The Record. Part Two Houston Chronicle. June 4, 1992. Federal authorities are investigating the activities of a Houston businessman -- a past investor in companies controlled by a son of President Bush -- who has been accused of illegally representing Saudi interests in the United States. The Financial Crimes Enforcement Network -- known as FinCEN -- and the FBI are reviewing accusations that entrepreneur James R. Bath guided money to Houston from Saudi investors who wanted to influence U.S. policy under the Reagan and Bush administrations, sources close to the investigations say. FinCEN, a division of the U.S. Department of Treasury, investigates money laundering. Special agents and analysts from various law enforcement agencies, including the Internal Revenue Service and the U.S. Customs Service, are assigned to work with the FinCEN staff. The federal review stems in part from court documents obtained through litigation by Bill White, a former real estate business associate of Bath . White contends the documents indicate that the Saudis were using Bath and their huge financial resources to influence U.S. policy. Such representation by Bath would require that he be registered as a foreign agent with the U.S. Department of Justice. In general, people required by law to be registered are those who represent a foreign entity seeking to influence governmental action or policy. An Annapolis graduate and former Navy fighter pilot, White, 46, claims that Bath and the judicial system, under the veil of national security, have blackballed him professionally and financially because he has refused to keep quiet about what he regards as a conspiracy to secretly funnel Saudi dollars to the United States. White became entangled in a series of lawsuits and countersuits with Bath , who for some six years has prevailed in the courts. White says the legal action has financially devasted him and Venturcorp Inc., the real estate development company in which he and Bath were partners. In sworn depositions, Bath said he represented four prominent Saudis as a trustee [one of whom was Saudi Sheik Salem M. Binladen] and that he would use his name on their investments. In return, he said, he would receive a 5 percent interest in their deals. Tax documents and personal financial records show that Bath personally had a 5 percent interest in Arbusto '79 Ltd., and Arbusto '80 Ltd., limited partnerships controlled by George W. Bush, President Bush's eldest son. Arbusto means bush in Spanish. Bath invested $50,000 in the limited partnerships, according to the documents. There is no available evidence to show whether the money came from Saudi interests. (To be concluded tomorrow.) - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, All My Relations. Omnia Bona Bonis, Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Iridium... was The war was prepared in advance.
-Caveat Lector- Iridium Launches Global Satellite Data and Internet Services Wednesday, June 06, 2001 Data Capability Viewed as Critical for Remote Mobile Telecommunications LEESBURG, Va.- June 6, 2001 - Iridium Satellite LLC today announced the commercial availability of its mobile satellite data services, including dial-up connectivity and direct-Internet connections. Following the successful launch of voice services in March, the availability of data services solidifies Iridium's unique position as the only provider of truly global, truly mobile communications solutions. For many of our target customers, the data capability has been the missing link in their remote communications plans. The ability to send and receive e-mails, data files and to conduct basic Web services, will prove invaluable for users in the field. For the first time, users will be able to access the Internet and World Wide Web from any part of the globe, thanks to Iridium's only truly global network, said Gino Picasso, CEO of Iridium. We are committed to enhancing the value of our network for Iridium customers and data and Internet services are one more example of this effort. Iridium's easy-to-use data services offer an important communications tool for government and military users and for vertical markets such as maritime, aviation, oil and gas, mining, construction, forestry, non-governmental organization/relief and yachting/leisure. [...] http://www.iridium.com/corp/iri_corp-news.asp?newsid=17 - Original Message - From: thew [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] i thought the whole irridium phone thing failed A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Faust Frankenstein
http://www.polyconomics.com/searchbase/09-03-98.html OF COURSE, our own CIA, back in the Reagan-Bush era, recruited, schooled, and financed Osama bin Laden, just as it did blind Sheik Omar Rahman (the earlier WTO bombing mastermind), and Saddam Hussein ... and Lord knows who else. No wonder they're kept obscured from us as having had unknown sources of funding ... How's that old intel crack go? -- No one ever STOPS working for the CIA? Now, thanks to last week's horrors, the CIA, with its unbroken record of misses and no-hitters, is being re- authorized to use unreliable agents with criminal backgrounds and to undertake covert operations Cold-war-style such as those which got them into big trouble with Congress decades ago. And our fuzzy-headed and dishonest FBI --only a couple of weeks after Congress threatened to disband it as incompetent--will wind up getting domestic powers J. Edgar never dreamed of. There goes the neighborhood (again).
Re: [CTRL] Unk Building Collapses BEFORE Towers Fell
-Caveat Lector- This video clip shows an unknown explosion of some kind that hit an unknown building BEFORE either tower collapsed. http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/towerblast.html Could this be what the unknown object in the FOX video hit? Was it a missile? A jet? Please check out the FOX video. Go to this link: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,34238,00.html#video Scroll to Video - The Attack and click on East Angle - Second Plane Hits Tower. Between five and ten seconds after the second plane hits, SOMETHING comes down from the top left to the lower right. This has been completely and unbelievably unreported and could be one of the most important news stories in all of this. The absence of reporting on it is also a fascinating news story in and of itself. Samantha A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Bakri has previously acted as de-facto spokesman for Osama bin Laden
108P9Z Print Request: Selected Document(s): 1 Time of Request: September 17, 2001 04:23 pm EST Number of Lines: 75 Job Number: 711:0:35048429 Client ID/Project Name: Research Information: Note: SEARCH: Osama Quaker Rollo PAGE 1 1 of 2 DOCUMENTS Copyright 1999 Agence France Presse Agence France Presse February 28, 1999 13:42 GMT SECTION: International news LENGTH: 734 words HEADLINE: By Henry Meyer DATELINE: LONDON, Feb 28 BODY: As London commuters hurried along the rain-sodden street to catch their trains at Euston, a thunderous chant rang out in Arabic inside the grand 1920s building nearby: Allah Akhbar! (God is Great). In a packed auditorium, more than 500 young British Moslems listened with rapt attention to Islamic firebrand Sheikh Omar Bakri as he called for Jihad (holy war) against the United States, Britain and anti-Islamic forces. America declared war against Islam, and the West declared war against Islam, and we declare war against them, he shouted, raising his clenched fists. Bakri has previously acted as de-facto spokesman for Osama bin Laden, the Saudi-born millionaire accused by Washington of masterminding last year's bloody bombings of two US embassies in East Africa. His appearance late Friday, alongside other British-based Islamic radical leaders, at the so-called Second Conference of Islamic Revival in central London, was a startling example of Britain's tolerance of extremist groups. The young British-born Moslems in the audience were shown a half-hour video of a military training camp in Afghanistan for the Muslim Special Forces, featuring commando-style raids and armed combat. They were told they must become fighters in the war against un-Islamic regimes in Moslem countries, from Egypt to Algeria, Yemen and Saudi Arabia, and the occupying forces of America, Britain, Israel and other western powers. There is training available. It is time that we prepare and retaliate against these people, Muhammed Jameel, coordinator of Sakina Security Services, exhorted. The organizers, who held a similar conference last August to condemn US, British and Israeli aggression, did not stop there. Abu Hamza al-Masri, an Egyptian-born cleric, unveiled a plan to blow up military and civilian aircraft, in a bid to challenge the Western monopoly of the sky, amid almost daily US and British air strikes against Iraq. PAGE 2 Agence France Presse, February 28, 1999 He told the audience that flying mines carried in small balloons were being tested in Afghanistan: When it will reach America and Britain, I don't know, but for the time being it is Islamically justified, he said. Hamza, whose group Supporters of Sharia (Islamic Law) organizes Islamist training from its headquarters at a north London mosque, admitted to AFP later: Of course it is terrorism, it is terrorizing the terrorists. But Scotland Yard has signaled no intention to launch an investigation. Under British legislation passed last year, it is an offence to plot terrorist activity abroad or to collect money to support foreign terrorists. But the law does not prohibit the promotion of or incitement to terrorism. Yemen accuses Abu Hamza of ordering 10 Moslem militants, including eight Britons -- among them his son and step-son -- to bomb several British and US targets in the southern Yemeni city of Aden on New Year's Eve. All are now on trial on charges of terrorism. Sanaa has requested Abu Hamza's extradition from Britain. But legal sources here believe he has little to fear because Yemeni authorities would have to demonstrate solid evidence. As they left at the end of the four-hour conference -- held, in supreme irony, at the London headquarters of the Quaker movement which espouses non-violence -- the participants were enthusiastic for the cause. British-born Shahid Longi, 20, from Slough, west of London, plans to go on an Islamic military training course and take up arms against the infidel. We have certain obligations to fight those forces occupying Moslem lands. Jihad is one of the obligations of Islam. We must fight Jihad, he told AFP. A view shared by his 17-year-old friend Osman Latiff, also a member of Abu Hamza's Supporters of Sharia, which offers Islamic training courses in Britain but sends recruits abroad for full-scale military instruction. It could be Bosnia, Lebanon, Afghanistan and Pakistan, there are many places which offer training for Moslems to liberate Moslem lands, he said. Bakri, who was briefly questioned by anti-terrorist police in early
[CTRL] Fwd: New Laissez Faire City Times Now Online V5.38 - 09/17/01
Quality is Hard to Find - Bookmark Home page now: The Laissez Faire City Times http://www.zolatimes.com The Front Page: http://www.zolatimes.com/V5.38/pageone.html Articles: -- Top Story: Lessons of Terrorism by: Pierre Lemieux http://www.zolatimes.com/V5.38/nyc_lessons.html Just a few hours after the tragic events of September 11 (when these lines are written), we are already hearing voices suggesting that free societies are too vulnerable to terrorism, and that they should therefore become less free. But the main lesson of these events should be at the polar opposite: the states that rule over us, and pretend to protect us, should be as different as possible from the tyrants or would-by tyrants who commit these horrendous crimes. Whatever rights we relinquish, whatever power we give to our own states, we will never be perfectly protected against violence if only against violence from our protectors, but there is more to it than this. The lingering question is, How is it that our powerful states, the American state first among them, cannot protect us against murderers who must have planned for months, if not years, a concerted action to highjack a number of planes and crash them on different objectives? How is it possible that a state which spends more than a third of what people produce in the United States, a state that has the FBI, the CIA, the BATF, the NSA, army intelligence, satellite spies, Carnivore, etc. how is it possible that this state cannot discover and kill an extended terrorist plot on its very own territory? Even limited by the Constitution, the American state is the most powerful state in the history of mankind, and it won't do to answer that it lacks power to accomplish its protection mission. --- Attacking Freedom by: Russell Madden http://www.zolatimes.com/V5.38/attack_freedom.html -- Hooters and Terrorism: Wonder Woman and BCCI by: Bill Clinton http://www.zolatimes.com/V5.38/wonder_woman_bcci.html -- Armed Conflict in America, Part 2: The Legal Hierarchy by: Robert L. Kocher http://www.zolatimes.com/V5.38/mcveigh2.html -- The Foundations of the Constitution, Part 2: Securing Rights by Jim Lewis and Jim Peron http://www.zolatimes.com/V5.38/liberty_reclaimed2.html Book Libraries at the Laissez Faire City Times Bookshop http://www.zolatimes.com/SS/BookShop.html Freedom Engineer, Andrew J. Galambos http://www.zolatimes.com/SS/AGlib.html Doomslayer, Julian L. Simon http://www.zolatimes.com/SS/JSlib.html === LFCjfax has a SPECIAL FREE offer! Free Faxes - Free Voice Mail It's the BRIDGE between the 2nd and 3rd Wave.http://www.LFCjfax.com --- You are currently subscribed to zolatimes as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe/subscribe via the web, go to http://earth.lyris.net/zolatimes/ *** NOTE: If you simply reply to this message, you WILL NOT be removed from this list (no matter how many nasty words you use).
[CTRL] A Wake-up Call From Hell (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Excerpt: They have the will to destroy the West. They don't have the power today. You have the power today, we all do, the power to crush this terror network. What we must now show is that we have the will to do so. --Binyamin Netanyahu [Note: I agree with Netanyahu when he says of these militants They are fueled primarily by what is a fantasy, and that is the idea that they'll reverse history and reverse the rise of Western democracy and restore their warped interpretation of Islam. That's what they do, and America stands in the way, so America has to be destroyed. Now it's fantastic, but that's what they think. This is the reason for their hatred for us, not some anti-American twisted history that tries to show the United States as the perpetrators of terror towards these people.- Tony] Savage -- Netanyahu Interview: 'A Wake-up Call From Hell' Part 1 Michael Savage Sunday, Sept. 16, 2001 Michael Savage hosts the Savage Nation, America's fastest growing syndicated radio show. Last week, Michael interviewed former Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu. SAVAGE: Mr. Netanyahu, welcome to the Savage Nation. I know this is a terrible time for America as well as for Israel, but can you tell us who you think is behind this crime against humanity? NETANYAHU: There is no question but there is a terror network that consists of several terrorist states; Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, a few other Middle Eastern regimes and affiliated groups, which include bin Laden, theHezbolah in Lebanon, and of course these various terrorist groups operating under Arafat's PLO. SAVAGE: Is Arafat connected? Do you think Arafat is connected to this act against humanity? NETANYAHU: Well I don't know about this particular attack, but various components of this terror network support one another in materiel, often in intelligence. We know bin Laden has been cooperating with the Palestinian terror groups in Arafat's domain for quite some time and they support each other politically. I think that one must understand that this, as President Bush has said, this new terrorism, whose main engine is militancy against the West, has declared war on the West and on the leader of the West, on the United States. They are fueled primarily by what is a fantasy, and that is the idea that they'll reverse history and reverse the rise of Western democracy and restore their warped interpretation of Islam. That's what they do, and America stands in the way, so America has to be destroyed. Now it's fantastic, but that's what they think. Now it doesn't make any difference if there is one attack and you get bin Laden, it makes a hell of a difference if he's the one who did it and he should get it, but there will be others after him because this is part of a movement. It's part of a century-old antipathy towards the West. And so it's not enough to just apprehend the kamikaze squadron. You have to get the aircraft carrier that is making possible other attacks and future attacks by other kamikazes. SAVAGE: So what must be done? The aircraft carriers I assume are the states that sponsor these terrorists. NETANYAHU: That's absolutely correct. SAVAGE: Are you suggesting a war against the very nations that we know very well sponsor terrorism? Are you suggesting that's what will happen or what should happen? NETANYAHU: Well, first of all you are at war because they are conducting these attacks against you and they're making it possible. President Bush has said correctly that what you have to go after is not merely the terrorist organizations, but all these states who harbor terrorists, let alone finance them, equip them, give them a safe haven, dispatch them, give them political cover, and so on. I think what's important to understand that what you saw in New York was a wake-up call from hell. Sure, five years ago I wrote a book, and I said if the Islamic militant terror groups are not stopped, then the next thing you'll see, as I wrote in the book Fighting Terrorism, is not going to be a car bomb in the basement of the World Trade Center, but a nuclear bomb. OK, they didn't put in a nuclear bomb, they just put in a 360-ton conventional bomb. But do you doubt at all that if Iran or Iraq acquire nuclear weapons or develop them (and they're feverishly developing them) that they will one day make those available or indeed be capable of such an attack on the United States? Can you tell me that this will not happen? I think we are faced here with new forces that are not susceptible to the old terms, to the sober calculations of cost and benefit. These are not Soviets. This is not communism. This is a different conception of the world dominion that seeks to operate unlike communism, irrationally. I think communism was completely irrational in its goal, completely irrational on reversing human nature. But communism was pursued absolutely rationally. Every time the Soviets had to choose between their ideology and their
[CTRL] FC: Plea for help in building archive of post-attack websites (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- * Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 15:34:19 -0400 From: Christopher D. Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: University of Pennsylvania To: Philip Agre [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ari Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED], Will Doherty [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Sobel [EMAIL PROTECTED], Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nick Jesdanun [EMAIL PROTECTED], chagit mes tsfaty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Please help us build a Web Archive of the Sept 11 Attack Please help us build a Web Archive of the Sept 11 Attack webArchivist.org is working with The Internet Archive in collaboration with the Library of Congress to identify and archive pages and sites related to the terrorist attacks in New York and Washington on September 11, 2001. We want to be sure that there is a solid historical record of this time. We are asking for volunteers to help us identify any web sites or pages that have information or content about the Sep11 Attack. We are especially interested in finding sites by individuals -- that record their feelings, experiences or opinions. We are also especially interested in finding non-American sites . . . http://webarchivist.org/ - POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if you include this notice. Declan McCullagh's photographs are at http://www.mccullagh.org/ To subscribe to Politech: http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ - A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FC: Online vigilantes accidentally deface WTC victim's website (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- [I do hope this -- and incidents in the past like the defacement of amnesty.org -- will make folks realize that such hackers hardly live up to the proud history of that word. These malcontents are nothing but talentless graffiti sprayers, online vandals who exploit known security holes and do little, if any, research on their own. --Declan] * Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 17:12:52 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Brian McWilliams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Hacking Vigilantes Deface WTC Victim's Site Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-UIDL: 14fc29d21af7e782a1ca129b15961383 Hi Declan, FYI, looks like a member of the The Dispatchers, a coalition of Web site defacers, accidently retaliated Sunday for the terrorist attacks by defacing a site operated by Aon Corporation, a company with over 1,000 employees in the WTC, 200 of which are not yet accounted for. http://www.newsbytes.com/news/01/170184.html Brian - POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if you include this notice. Declan McCullagh's photographs are at http://www.mccullagh.org/ To subscribe to Politech: http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ - A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Russian web site discloses plans of US ground operation in Afghanistan (US troops already in Pakistan) (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Assalamu'alaikum, Russian web site discloses plans of US ground operation in Afghanistan http://www.khilafah.com/1421/category.php?DocumentID=2201TagID=2 First unofficial reports saying that the USA has started the military retribution operation, dubbed Noble Eagle, appeared today. Stanislav Kalyakin reports. [Correspondent] The American paratroopers have already landed in Pakistan, the Russian Internet publication Katyusha said today. The units of the 82nd and 101st Airborne Divisions are bound for the Pakistani city of Peshawar. From there, they are set to move to the Afghan town of Jalalabad. Before approaching Kabul, they will turn southeast, to the Arghandab Valley, where the main forces of Bin-Ladin are located. The second strike on the Bin-Ladin bases will be delivered from the south, from Kandahar... Source: NTV ININ List Archives Found Here: http://www.egroups.com/messages/inin TO SUBSCRIBE: To subscribe please e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body type: subscribe inin-net TO UNSUBSCRIBE: To unsubscribe please e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body type in: unsubscribe inin-net ISLAMIC NEWS AND INFORMATION NETWORK: HTTP://WWW.ININ.NET VISIT: HTTP://WWW.MEDIAMONITORS.NET WE AFFIRM THAT INJUSTICE ANYWHERE IS A THREAT TO JUSTICE EVERYWHERE DEFINING APARTHEID Article 2 of the International Convention of the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid of 1973 clearly defined the term crime of apartheid. This includes similar policies and practices of segregation and discrimination as practiced in South Africa and which also apply to inhuman acts committed for the purpose of the establishment and maintaining of domination by one racial group over another. This includes the deliberated imposition of living conditions calculated to cause physical destruction and any legislative or other measures preventing a racial group from full development of their political, social, economic and cultural life. This is an accurate description of what the zionists are doing to the Palestinian people with the full support of the USA. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Mood of the U.S.
-Caveat Lector- On Sun, 16 Sep 2001, Steve wrote: It was also reported that the Air Force base nearest Washington was not notified of the approaching plane, while the one at Langley, VA was advised. Why this happened was not explained. Well that's just like what I asked about the fighters that were scrambled for the hijacked planes that crashed into the WTC -- at the time the fighters were scrambled, the 2 hijacked planes were almost over Newburgh, NY, so why weren't fighters scrambled from that base instead of the ones from MA who obviously wouldn't reach the hijacked planes in time... June === Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Petition
- Original Message -From: Toupadakis [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Recipient List Suppressed:;Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 6:13 AMSubject: Petition Please lend your support to this petition. Copy the body of the message and all the names below into the text of a new message. Add your name to the list and forward to as many people as you know. If you are person 150 on the list, please forward the entire email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and then forward a new copy of the email to your friends with your name as number 1. Thanks Dear Mr. President, Dear Mr. Vice President, We the undersigned are writing to you at this moment to express our profound sadness at the events of September 11th, and to plead with you and those making the very difficult decisions which have to be made at this time for calm and a non-retaliatory stance. We have all been deeply affected by this tragedy and our hearts and sympathies go to all those who died and to the loved ones they left behind. In the wake of this event there is shock and sadness, and emotions run very high. It is human to want to respond quickly, to find those responsible and ensure that this cannot happen again anywhere. However, retaliating with more violence only breeds more violence and ensures that future generations will live in fear with mistrust and suffering. We urge you and our fellow citizens to remember that vengeance offers no relief, that retaliation can never guarantee healing and that to meet violence with violence breeds more rage and more senseless deaths. Only love leads to peace with justice. We believe it is our duty as a civilized nation to rise above the desire for retaliation and to find a way of dealing with this tragedy that is peaceful and good. We do not ask that we ignore that this happened or that those who are responsible not be held accountable. Rather we ask that we lead the world as an example of another way, a better way for all mankind. Further violence and the deaths of more innocent people will not resolve this situation or ensure the safety of future generations. This is truly an opportunity to show the world that leadership is earned, not imposed through violence and bullying tactics. Please Mr. President, give us all hope for a future where good will truly prevail over evil, and where violence has no place. Our goal should be to build bridges of love, respect and understanding among all people. This is the only way to ensure that the tragedy of September 11th and similar tragedies around the world do not happen again. 1. Maura Duignan, San Francisco, CA 94110 2. Sarah Ellison, San Francisco, CA 94110 3. Katie Bonier, San Francisco, CA 94114 4. Jane Cote, Somerville, MA 02144 5. Cynthia Pratt, Wellesley, MA 02481 6. Hermine Makman, Cambridge, MA 02138 7. Dorothy Burlage, Newton, MA 02458 8. Emmie Adams, St. Johnsbury, VT 05819 9. Joan C. Browning, Ronceverte WV 24970 10. Gonzalo Santos, Bakersfield CA 93304 11. John Travis Eureka, CA 55503 12. Melanie Williams, Arcata, CA 95521 13. Michael W. Stowell, Arcata, CA 95521 14. Andreas Toupadakis, Livermore, CA 94550 15. Kostas Konstantinidis, Athens Greece, TT 152.31 16, Jela Jovanovic, Belgrade, Yugoslavia "Listen to everyone, read everything, believe nothing unless you can prove it in your own research." -- William Cooper http://globalcomment.com/articles/currentaffairs/andreas/bush.htm "The time has come, or is about to come, when only large-scale civil disobedience, which should be nonviolent, can save the populations fromthe universal death which their governments are preparing for them." Bertrand Russell
Re: [CTRL] Suicide Hijacker Alive And Well In Jeddah
-Caveat Lector- Perhaps it is just a case of someone just happening to have the same name; the name could be the Arabic equivalent of John Smith... June === Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Saudi King Fahd Backs U.S. Fight Against Terrorism/AP (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 17:49:00 - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PalestineDiary] Saudi King Fahd Backs U.S. Fight Against Terrorism/AP Saudi King Fahd Backs U.S. Fight Against Terrorism Slideshows AP Photo Terrorists Attack U.S. By Rawhi Abeidoh DUBAI (Reuters) - King Fahd pledged Monday that Saudi Arabia would stand by the United States in its fight against terrorism and said he wanted to disassociate the kingdom from Saudi-born terror suspect Osama bin Laden (news - web sites). ``The Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques (King Fahd) reiterated that the kingdom of Saudi Arabia will stand by the U.S. and support it and cooperate with it in combating terrorism wherever it is and fight it in all its forms,'' the state-run Saudi Press Agency said. The remarks were the most explicit the monarch has made about Saudi support for America in hunting down those behind last week's terror attacks in New York and Washington. Friday, King Fahd denounced the suicide attacks, saying the oil-rich kingdom backed international efforts to fight terrorism. Crown Prince Abdullah has urged Washington to avoid rushing to conclusions about who was behind the attacks and warned against blaming Arabs and Muslims in general. ``The kingdom rejects being associated with any person whose name is linked to terrorism,'' the agency quoted the monarch as saying after the weekly cabinet session Monday. Saudi Arabia, a staunch supporter of the United States, stripped bin Laden of his Saudi nationality in 1994 for his activities against the royal family. ``No sane person who believes in God and Islam would commit such acts,'' King Fahd said. He did not say what support the regional heavyweight would give the United States, which is building an alliance against the attackers and those who harbored them. POLITICAL, NOT MILITARY, SUPPORT Saudi Arabia acted as a springboard for the U.S.-led coalition that evicted Iraq from Kuwait in 1991 after a seven-month-old occupation. Gulf Arab sources said Saudi Arabia and its five allies in the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) would avoid being sucked into a military confrontation and instead give Washington political support and share intelligence on militant Muslims. A Gulf source said earlier Monday that the Saudi foreign minister, Prince Saud al-Faisal would visit Washington this week to offer condolences and open detailed talks on efforts to counter terrorism. The prince will be accompanied by senior interior ministry officials, the source said. ``Consultations are already taking place (between Washington and Riyadh), but specifics have not been reached,'' he added. A Saudi newspaper has quoted Prince Saud as saying U.S. authorities had told him that some Saudi nationals had been detained for questioning about the attacks. Analysts say the kingdom can play a crucial role in the U.S. investigation by providing intelligence information about bin Laden, Washington's prime suspect, and the Taliban movement that has given him refuge in Afghanistan (news - web sites). Thousands of Saudis including about 6,000 students live in the United States. An estimated 30,000 Americans reside in Saudi Arabia, the world's leading oil exporter and the biggest supplier of crude oil to the United States. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/47cccB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/hkJplB/TM -~- To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory
[CTRL] Ask Yourself America (fwd)
Subject: Ask yourself America!Joan Smith: The terrible question that America must ask itselfThe Independent, 16 September 2001No one could fails to be moved by the dreadful stories coming out of the United States last week, or the instances of heroism and selfsacrifice that emerged in the aftermath of the terrorist attacks on the east coast. The scale of the destruction was simply too great to grasp, and there was a natural human impulse to focus instead on what happened to individuals. The couple who jumped to their deaths, handinhand, from the burning skyscraper; the passenger who called his wife from a doomed plane to say he was going to fight back: these were glimpses of the human spirit at its best, of the courage to act even in the face of certain death and of the emotions? love, affection, comradeship? that inspire it. It was stories like these, and the quiet dignity of New Yorkers during the grim rescue operation, that made the horror even remotely bearable in a week when many people found themselves weeping openly and unable to sleep.That grief has been made worse, over the last couple of days, by terrible fears for the future. "War", The Mirror declared baldly on Thursday; "Bush vows to lead world to victory", the International Herald Tribune said a day later. There is a sense that we are drifting into an openended conflict with a sofarunidentified enemy, although Afghanistan and Iraq appear to be the most likely targets. And while the anger of ordinary Americans is understandable, their leaders' rhetoric has more than a whiff about it of impotent rage. Talk of a "war on terrorism" is frighteningly reminiscent of the "war on drugs" that has been waged with such ferocity, and so ineffectually, by successive administrations.Many Americans have expressed not just anger and grief but incomprehension, reminding me of conversations I had during my first visit to the States 20 years ago. As I traveled across the country to interview relatives of the hostages held in the American embassy in Tehran, what I encountered again and again was an ignorance about the outside world that took my breath away. The father of a US marine talked movingly about his son, then looked at me despairingly: "Why have the Iranians done this to my family? We gave them the best telephone system in the world." I asked him what he knew about America's support for the Shah, whose secret police force, Savak, tortured and murdered his opponents. It rapidly became clear that he knew nothing about the Middle East, or his own government's role in keeping this thuggish autocrat in power.This story has always encapsulated, for me, the bewilderment ordinary Americans feel about the loathing they inspire around the world. Middleclass citizens (and I except from this the millions of poor whites, blacks and Hispanics who endure the kind of poverty you would expect to find in a developing country) live in affluent cities and suburbs. Their commitment to peace, justice and democracy is genuine, as is their religious faith. In a world full of unpleasant regimes, dogged by civil conflicts and terrorism, they see themselves as a beacon of liberty, which is why the President declared that "freedom itself" was under attack last week. They do not understand that there are whole swathes of the world where the US is perceived much less benignly. At the very least, it is seen as a culture obsessed with celluloid violence and weapons, yet preternaturally afraid of any of its military personnel dying abroad. Bush denounced the hijackers as cowardly, yet that epithet could be equally applied? perhaps more so, given the deranged courage required of the suicide bomber? to the bombing of Iraq and Serbia.The American government's ruthless pursuit of its own economic and military interests is the reason why many Palestinians, Chileans, Rwandans, Guatemalans and Indonesians? I could fill the rest of this paragraph with the list? have suffered decades of occupation, torture, death squads, poverty, civil war or exile. For them, America's freedom and prosperity have been achieved at a staggeringly high cost elsewhere in the world.This is not an easy thing to write, so soon after last week's dreadful events, and I am aware that hundreds of Britons, as well as many thousands of Americans, were among the casualties. But to understand the etiology of terrorist attacks is not to excuse them. Just as successive British governments had to recognise Irish terrorism as a political and not just a military problem, in order to broker the current ceasefire, the US needs to address the causes of terrorism if it is to achieve the security it urgently seeks. There is not much evidence that it is doing so, which is why Nato's offer of support to the President is morally wrong and a gargantuan political error. It will make things worse, and may well put more European lives at risk.The attack on America is specific, very likely a response to its disastrous support for Israel, and
[CTRL] NM: Cheney: U.S. Will Drop Clinton-Era CIA Restrictions
-Caveat Lector- http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/9/16/151505.shtml Cheney: U.S. Will Drop Clinton-Era CIA Restrictions Carl Limbacher Monday, Sept. 17, 2001 The United States will revamp Clinton-era spy recruitment policies that have hampered U.S. intelligence agencies in the wake of last week's terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, Vice President Dick Cheney predicted Sunday. The Cheney statement confirms a report, broken by Christopher Ruddy on NewsMax.com in the immediate aftermath of the attacks: CIA Officials Reveal What Went Wrong. Cheney announced the policy switch in response to a question from NBC's Meet the Press host, Tim Russert. RUSSERT: There have been restrictions placed on United States' intelligence gathering - a reluctance to use unsavory characters, those who violate human rights - to assist in intelligence gathering. Will we lift some of those restrictions? CHENEY: Well, I think so. I think one of the by-products, if you will, of this tragic set of circumstances is that we'll see a very thorough sort of reassessment of how we operate and the kinds of people we deal with. If you're going to deal only with sort of officially approved, certified good guys, you're not going to find out what the bad guys are doing. You need to be able to penetrate these organizations. You need to have on the payroll some very unsavory characters if, in fact, you're going to be able to learn all that needs to be learned in order to forestall these kinds of activities. The vice president added that the Bush administration would make certain that we have not tied the hands, if you will, of our intelligence communities. Just hours after the terrorists struck, a CIA source told Ruddy, NewsMax.com's editor in chief, that spy recruitment policies put in place by the Clinton administration had devastated the agency's ability to gather human intelligence. Ruddy reported late Tuesday: A regular NewsMax reader, Roger, was a CIA spy in the Mideast. I met him almost two years ago. Roger wanted to tell me why a gung-ho American quit the CIA in disgust. Roger said the CIA was not interested in recruiting spies. Clinton and company knew they could not just tell the CIA to stop recruiting spies. That would look stupid and embarrassing. So they just changed the rules of how spies are recruited, raising the bar on requirements to such a high degree that the most valuable spies could never meet CIA standards and couldn't work for us. Previously, I wrote how Clinton effectively stopped the recruitment of Chinese nationals by demanding that only high-ranking embassy officials could be recruited knowing this is almost impossible. Roger told me that. Roger reminded me again of this today. He noted that Clinton policies reached their zenith under CIA Director John Deutch and his top assistant, Nora Slatkin. The pair ran Clinton's CIA in the mid-1990s and implemented a human rights scrub policy. Here's how Roger described it in an e-mail Tuesday evening: Deutch and Nora, Clinton's anti-intelligence plants, implemented a universal 'human rights scrub' of all assets, virtually shutting down operations for 6 months to a year. This was after something happened in Central America (there was an American woman involved who was the common law wife of a commie who went missing there) that got a lot of bad press for the agency. After that, each asset had to be certified as being 'clean for human rights violations.' What this did was to put off limits, in effect, terrorists, criminals, and anyone else who would have info on these kinds of people. Roger says the CIA, even under new leadership, has never recovered from the Human Rights Scrub policy. Read Christopher Ruddy's report on the policies that led to our terrorist intelligence breakdown, CIA Officials Reveal What Went Wrong - Clinton to Blame. Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at:
[CTRL] Fwd: Fw: What powers come with national emergency?
Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FONT COLOR=#99Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial /FONTA HREF=http://us.click.yahoo.com/MDsVHB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/zgSolB/TM;BClick Here!/B/A -~- From: Dave Champion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 6:17 PM Subject: What powers come with national emergency? All, My friend Rickity sent me an article detailing the declaration of a national emergency by the Pres. Being the curious guy that I am, I decided to look into the United States Code and see what extraordinary authority the Pres. is granted by such a declaration. While I won't bore you with code sections, statutory sources, revision notes, advisory notes, etc., I'll give you the end result. The National Emergency Act (by which Congress vests the Pres. with extraordinary authority [that phrase is right out of the statute]) simply amends certain sections within a series of United States Code titles. Once I saw the list of Titles, I didn't bother to go read the amended sections because I realized that none of the extraordinary authority reaches you and me. Here are the Titles amended: 1) Title 8 - Immigration and Naturalization 2) Title 10 - Armed Forces 3) Title 12 - Banks and Banking 4) Title 40 - Public [federal] Buildings, Property, and Works 5) Title 42 - Public Health and Welfare I think without reading the amended sections, it becomes pretty clear that the President's extraordinary authority doesn't extend to the day-to-day affairs of the average American. Without taking the time to read the amended section, I'll hazard a guess and others can tell me if I'm off base. The Title 8 amendments allow the President to secure the borders and round up certain alien groups (defined by the Attorney General) who might place the nation at risk. The Title 10 amendments allow the President to deploy combat troops in hostile areas [in harm's way] without prior Congressional consultation and may obviate certain section of the War Powers Act of 1973. The Title 12 amendments allow the President to exempt the banks from the three-day closure rule. The Title 40 amendments allow the President to secure federal buildings, up to and including closure or relocation if necessary. And finally, the Title 42 amendments allow the President to order to Department of Helath and Human Services to make emergency assistance available to the States. However, one of the most intersting parts of the chapter on National Emergencies was the section 1601 entitled, Termination of existing declared emergencies. It states, All powers and authorities possessed by the President, any other officer or employee of the Federal Government, or any executive agency, as defined in section 105 of title 5, as a result of the existence of any declaration of national emergency in effect on September 14, 1976, are terminated two years from September 14, 1976. So much for the crowd that beleives that the entire nation has been living under national emergency since the Civil War (or whatever event they settle upon). Dave Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[CTRL] NM: Defanged Intelligence Traced to Pressure on Torricelli From [girlfriend] Bianca Jagger
-Caveat Lector- http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/9/17/162056.shtml Defanged Intelligence Traced to Pressure on Torricelli From Bianca Jagger Wes Vernon, NewsMax.com Tuesday, Sept. 18, 2001 WASHINGTON - One lawmaker's decision to give away CIA secrets in the mid-1990s led to the political pressure that ultimately scrubbed virtually all remaining CIA use of human spies. That, in turn, is believed by intelligence experts to have aided the terrorist attacks in New York and Washington Tuesday. In 1995, then-Rep. Robert Torricelli, D-N.J., made secrets public at the behest of left-wing activist Bianca Jagger, then his girlfriend, according to Newark Star-Ledger columnist Paul Mulshine in the January/February issue of Heterodoxy. Torricelli, now a U.S. senator, gave away secrets he obtained through his membership on the House Intelligence Committee. This so outraged then-Speaker Newt Gingrich that he tried to have the New Jersey Democrat kicked off the panel. Later, Torricelli was criticized in a committee report for having compromised American intelligence-gathering abilities around the world, adding that numerous CIA sources had decided to stop giving information for fear they would be outed by a congressman. Intelligence agencies are extremely wary about who sits on the House Intelligence Committee, knowing that these have to be lawmakers who are thoroughly trustworthy when it comes to sharing some of America's deepest secrets. That is why there are intelligence analysts who have the jitters that Rep. Gary Condit, D-Calif., is a current committee member. In his case, the fear is that scandal makes one vulnerable to blackmail. Mulshine's article showed how Torricelli's action in giving away the name of a CIA source in Guatemala was based not on fact, but on a conspiracy theory of the loony left, as Heterodoxy later characterized it. The lawmaker was accused of having leaped to a number of inaccurate conclusions about the CIA's role in the deaths of an American hotel owner named Michael DeVine and a Guatemalan guerilla named Efrain Bamaca Velazquez. In its 1997 report, the House Intelligence Committee had this to say about the antics of Torricelli, by then a senator: None of the allegations raised by Rep. Torricelli in the March 22, 1995 letter to the president [Clinton] or subsequent public statements concerning the involvement of the CIA in the DeVine and Bamaca deaths in Guatemala have proved true. Sen. Torricelli did not respond to repeated efforts by NewsMax.com to get his comment for this article. It was about the time of this well-publicized incident that the CIA's slide into a deteriorated human intelligence capability accelerated. As a former CIA spy in the Mideast told NewsMax CEO Christopher Ruddy, Clinton simply changed the rules of how spies are recruited. And it was done in such a way as to make it impossible to recruit effective human spies. The agency, then under Director John Deutch and his top assistant Nora Slatkin, implemented a human rights scrub policy. As former New York City Mayor Ed Koch noted to NewsMax.com Monday, effective spies are people willing to betray their comrades. Some terrorists order their members to commit crimes just to test them and make sure they are not undercover agents. People like that are not recruited from the ranks of choirboys. Or as Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Bob Graham has noted since Tuesday's attacks, effective human spies are not found in monasteries. Torricelli has been in the news recently because of a federal investigation into bribery allegations against him. The Nicaraguan-born Bianca Jagger, ex-wife of Rolling Stones rock star Mick Jagger, has appeared on Fox News Channel and other media outlets to promote environmental and other leftist causes and rail against America's use of the death penalty. She has also been romantically linked to Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn. Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
[CTRL] Fwd: Will Bush Avoid War? : No Bombs Yet May Mean Break With Clinton's Ways ;...
Will Bush Avoid War? No Bombs Yet May Mean Break With Clinton's Ways 9/17/01 11:54:55 AM Bill White Commentary -- What a difference a president makes. Don't get me wrong -- I want to start this off by saying I am no fan of George Bush, because, frankly, I don't trust him. His father invented the New World Order and drove America knee deep into the morass of Iraq, and I'm not srue the fruit has fallen far from the tree. That said, there is already a big difference. If Bill Clinton were in office today, the United States would already be bombing every aspirin factory from the tip of Morocco to the tip of Indonesia, and everything in between. There wouldn't be a headache in Islam that would find any relief. But as I, and everyone I know, has noticed, the US has not yet dropped a single bomb. They haven't even pointed their fingers at a country they are going to bomb. And though Afghanistan is running scared, there doesn't appear to be any realistic chance that the US will launch an invasion of it any time soon. Despite the orders that have been issued to him by the warmongering Zionists of the world -- the Horowitzs and Podhoretzs and Krauthammers and Levins and Goldbergs of the world, to name a few -- George Bush has not blindly lashed out and declared a war on anyone, not to mention the entirety of Islam, as they urge. Give it another week before we're sure, but I strongly suspect that a Third World War on behalf of Israel against the entirety of the Muslim faith is not in the cards. What is happening? And what does this mean? The details of it I am not yet sure. But it may mean that George Bush, and his advisors, are actually thinking about Mid-East policy. And thinking about Mid- East policy, instead of being led by the nose by the television networks and the major newspapers, is exactly what the Zionists do not want. Now this doesn't mean that George Bush is going to give Zionists the boot, or threaten to behead the sacred cow of aid to Israel. But it may mean that he is considering not asking how high when they say jump. It may also mean, if his political strategists have any sense (which they don't), starting a national dialogue on the issue of whether or not Israel is worth the lives of 10,000 American civilians, and the constant fear of terrorist war against this country. Now such a discussion is not going to come on immediately. To do it immediately would get too many insults hurled at Bush for a lesser man of the financial democracy to weather all at once. But the seeds of such a discussions may get layed, and the longer we go without continuing distracting spectacles of violence, the more the American people will start to think about what is going on. Not that there is a lot of thinking going on now. I erected a large sign outside of my house over the weekend stating This is Israel's War. Let *her* fight it. My neighbors immediately said Oh, you must be Jewish and supporting Israel. I then went out and added the word alone after Ler *her* fight it. Then I just took it down. People just weren't getting it. But the longer we go without the government whipping the people into mass hysteria, and committing the kind of violent acts needed to distract the people from thinking, the more the issue of what exactly are we defending in the Middle East will come forward, and the more the issue of kill the Arabs will fade to the background. In the moments after the attack, the Krauthammers and Podhoretzs of the world were demanding war with not just Afghanistan, but Iraq and Syria. Remarkable that this is the war that Israel is preparing to fight. Given that we have taken no action against anyone, if we keep it up, maybe that means we're going to think before we take orders from that little rogue state. In a situation like this, thinking can only be considered good. Libertarian Socialist News Post Office Box 12244 Silver Spring, MD 20908 http://www.overthrow.com (check out our messageboards -- discuss this story on-line!) (Formerly http://www.libertariansocialist.com)
[CTRL] Fwd: Militia of Georgia : Federal Government More Dangerous Than Arabs; Jews...
Militia of Georgia Federal Government More Dangerous Than Arabs; Jews Are Not True Israelites 9/17/01 5:12:17 PM Militia of Georgis Press Release Atlanta, Georgia -- MILITIA OF GEORGIA: SPECIAL OCTOBER REPORT jimmy wynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] THE WORLD TRADE CENTER ATTACK -- IMPORTANT INFORMATION The Militia of Georgia expresses our deepest sympathy to the friends and families of the more than 5,000 victims of the attack on America. Again, I urge you to pray for those people who are grieving for the loss of loved ones. Now, with all the misinformation that abounds, I am forced to write a very special newsletter about this tragedy. There is a lot of nonsense that has made me scream at this computer, the television, the radio and even some of the members of the Militia of Georgia. What ticks me off more than anything else is the numbers of so-called patriots who are calling for war and urging that we give the feds more power, money, etc. for this. Two weeks ago the FBI and other law enforcement agencies were on the ropes over their tyrannical rule over America. Cops in Florida were arrested for framing suspects with police-owned throw-away guns. Then suicide zealots ripped America apart and the fedgoons are the saviours and heroes once again. So, it's time the Militia of Georgia had something substantive to say. I only hope you'll listen. First, the de facto forces that control America (Congress, King George the Bush, the FBI, INS, IRS, CIA, OSHA, FEMA, etc.) are still the bad guys. Don't forget that. Now, let's get some perspective on the war. Somebody called The Republican fills my e-mail box with hundreds of pro-Bush crap advocating we go to war against Bin Laden, the Palestinians, etc. One of our own members told me: I've always said we needed to have the military go in and take those bastards out. So-called conservatives advocate throwing money down the drain to fight these people and to make war against them. We call them terrorists, extremists, etc. While I realize that it really stings to see thousands of Americans buried in the rubble of the WTC, we MUST look for factual answers and FACTUAL information upon which to build our ideology. So, let's cut to the chase. The people who hijacked those planes, hated the American government enough to give their lives in order to cause us pain and grief. I've heard the media ask the question but, nobody has addressed it openly and honestly. Why? Plain and simple: FEAR. The truth is, America is predominantly Christian. Our attackers are apparently followers of a book called the Koran. They have a religious ideology and we have another. The two are opposed to each other. Based upon what we, as Americans think, is where we will allow our money to be spent. Unfortunately, the militia movement is, as a whole, uneducated so we just jump on any bandwagon that looks like it's going our way at the time. For more than half a century, modern churchianity has been giving money and requiring money from us via the income tax to support their religious ideolgy abroad. To make a complex topic simple, we spend BILLIONS AND BILLIONS of dollars supporting the Israelis because they are our friends. We will do anything to support the Israelis. That policy is at the root of the WTC attack. So, we must examine the WHY the WTC was attacked. Our leaders rant and rave calling the Arab world, specifically those who do not compromise on their faith in the Koran, cowards, fanatics, etc. Preachers say we are doomed to have war with these people for all time. My view is this: if a man will go to a foreign country, hijack a plane, fly it into a building knowing it will cost him his life... he is NOT a coward! He may be a fanatic; you can call them heathens; they are not cowards! So, what makes these people hate us so much that they will die in order to stop us? The TRUTH is going to bite. For years (at least since around 1948) the United States has been killing their people wholesale at the behest of the Israelis. We've even violated our own laws in order to wage war against those people. Allow me to give an example: In 1991, in just over a hundred hours the United States military complex killed over 250,000 women and children civilians in Iraq. Why? Because Saddam Hussein threatened the Israelis and actually caused three of them to die? When in recorded history did Iraq ever wage that kind of warfare against any other nation? The TRUTH: Kuwait was as much a part of Iraq as Texas is a part of the United States. Oil was discovered in Kuwait and the Kuwaitis pulled out of Iraq with the help of the United States. In our War Between the States (aka the Civil War) the South wanted to secede and form a separate government. The North won and said that a state has no right to leave the Union. So, when Kuwait wanted to leave Iraq, we had no legitimate reason to back that decision. Kuwait was dead wrong. [Not sure I agree. Kuwait may have had the right to secede. Point
[CTRL] B'nai Brith Canada Calls For Net Censorship
http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,46861,00.html Attacks Spur Canada Web Concern By Charles Mandel 2:00 a.m. Sep. 15, 2001 PDT TORONTO, Canada -- The Jewish group B'nai Brith Canada is calling for stricter regulation of hate-related material on the Internet following Tuesday's terrorist attacks in New York and Washington. The executive vice president of B'nai Brith Canada, Frank Dimant, alerted the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) and the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) in late August about a posting on a website that originated out of Montreal and invited people to join Afghani terrorist camps linked to Osama bin Laden, according to B'nai Brith Canada. Now, especially after media reports have suggested that Montreal and Halifax may have been meeting points for a number of the terrorists involved in the attack, B'nai Brith Canada is stepping up its efforts to get legislation passed to ban such Web activity. "It was a timely alert, wasn't it," said Dimant on Friday, although he stopped short of making a definitive link between the Web posting on islamway.com and Tuesday's attacks. "It's too early and too difficult for us to say that."
Re: [CTRL] Petition
COUNT ME OUT. As we must separate in our thinking religious Muslims from ethnic Muslims, we must separate justice from desire for peace. Ever heard of peace through strength? I refuse toturn this country over to terrorists who desire murder through strength. Like, does Oliver North grab some protegees,hijack an Arab jumbo jet with hundreds aboard, and kamakaze it into an oil well? - Original Message - From: Mrs. Jela Jovanovic To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 6:07 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Petition - Original Message -From: Toupadakis [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Recipient List Suppressed:;Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 6:13 AMSubject: Petition Please lend your support to this petition. Copy the body of the message and all the names below into the text of a new message. Add your name to the list and forward to as many people as you know. If you are person 150 on the list, please forward the entire email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and then forward a new copy of the email to your friends with your name as number 1. Thanks Dear Mr. President, Dear Mr. Vice President, We the undersigned are writing to you at this moment to express our profound sadness at the events of September 11th, and to plead with you and those making the very difficult decisions which have to be made at this time for calm and a non-retaliatory stance. We have all been deeply affected by this tragedy and our hearts and sympathies go to all those who died and to the loved ones they left behind. In the wake of this event there is shock and sadness, and emotions run very high. It is human to want to respond quickly, to find those responsible and ensure that this cannot happen again anywhere. However, retaliating with more violence only breeds more violence and ensures that future generations will live in fear with mistrust and suffering. We urge you and our fellow citizens to remember that vengeance offers no relief, that retaliation can never guarantee healing and that to meet violence with violence breeds more rage and more senseless deaths. Only love leads to peace with justice. We believe it is our duty as a civilized nation to rise above the desire for retaliation and to find a way of dealing with this tragedy that is peaceful and good. We do not ask that we ignore that this happened or that those who are responsible not be held accountable. Rather we ask that we lead the world as an example of another way, a better way for all mankind. Further violence and the deaths of more innocent people will not resolve this situation or ensure the safety of future generations. This is truly an opportunity to show the world that leadership is earned, not imposed through violence and bullying tactics. Please Mr. President, give us all hope for a future where good will truly prevail over evil, and where violence has no place. Our goal should be to build bridges of love, respect and understanding among all people. This is the only way to ensure that the tragedy of September 11th and similar tragedies around the world do not happen again. 1. Maura Duignan, San Francisco, CA 94110 2. Sarah Ellison, San Francisco, CA 94110 3. Katie Bonier, San Francisco, CA 94114 4. Jane Cote, Somerville, MA 02144 5. Cynthia Pratt, Wellesley, MA 02481 6. Hermine Makman, Cambridge, MA 02138 7. Dorothy Burlage, Newton, MA 02458 8. Emmie Adams, St. Johnsbury, VT 05819 9. Joan C. Browning, Ronceverte WV 24970 10. Gonzalo Santos, Bakersfield CA 93304 11. John Travis Eureka, CA 55503 12. Melanie Williams, Arcata, CA 95521 13. Michael W. Stowell, Arcata, CA 95521 14. Andreas Toupadakis, Livermore, CA 94550 15. Kostas Konstantinidis, Athens Greece, TT 152.31 16, Jela Jovanovic, Belgrade, Yugoslavia "Listen to everyone, read everything, believe nothing unless you can prove it in your own research." -- William Cooper http://globalcomment.com/articles/currentaffairs/andreas/bush.htm "The time has come, or is about to come, when only large-scale civil disobedience, which should be nonviolent, can save the populations fromthe universal death which their governments are preparing for them." Bertrand Russell
Re: [CTRL] Mood of the U.S.
Maybe it takes time to get them ready to go and the plane was closer to Boston than NY at the time. - Original Message - From: RevCOAL To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Mood of the U.S. -Caveat Lector-On Sun, 16 Sep 2001, Steve wrote:It was also reported that the Air Force base nearest Washington was notnotified of the approaching plane, while the one at Langley, VA was advised.Why this happened was not explained.Well that's just like what I asked about the fighters that were scrambledfor the hijacked planes that crashed into the WTC -- at the time thefighters were scrambled, the 2 hijacked planes were almost over Newburgh,NY, so why weren't fighters scrambled from that base instead of the onesfrom MA who obviously wouldn't reach the hijacked planes in time...June===Check out Alternative Kite Radio athttp://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.comAlternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth)Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth)Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere)Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday)===A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/ADECLARATION DISCLAIMER==CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandicscreeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These aresordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis-directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups withmajor and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, andalways suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives nocredence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.Archives Available at:http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.htmlA HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of[EMAIL PROTECTED]/Ahttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/ATo subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]Om
[CTRL] Too Much Power?
http://www.smh.com.au/news/0109/17/world/world12.html Concern that push for retaliation has given one man too much power By David Savage in Washington In the rush to approve a resolution giving the United States President, Mr George Bush, full authority to retaliate for Tuesday's attacks a few legislators worried about going too far. Off the Senate floor, the words spoken were: "Gulf of Tonkin resolution." In 1964, just three days after a reported attack on the US patrol boats in the gulf, near the coast of Vietnam, Congress passed a resolution giving president Lyndon Johnson the authority to use "all necessary measures" to "prevent further aggression" in South-East Asia. The measure set no limits on what the president could do, where he could use force or for how long. Years later, after the war in Vietnam was lost, many legislators came to regret their vote. On Friday Congress responded not to distant reports, involving a few ships but to an attack on US soil. However, the resolution it passed uses similar wording. It empowers Mr Bush to "use all necessary force against those nations, organisations or persons" who were behind the attacks. He can also take action to "prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the US by such nations, organisations or persons". Senator John McCain and Senator John Kerry, both Vietnam veterans, were among those who expressed concern about an open-ended authorisation to use military force. Initially, White House aides had asked for an even broader authority to "deter and prevent any related future acts of terrorism". Senator McCain and Senator Kerry said they narrowed the resolution by focusing it as a response to last Tuesday's attacks, rather than making it a blank cheque to go after terrorists everywhere. "We pretty well resolved most of the concerns," Senator McCain said, adding that he still had worries about the Gulf of Tonkin precedent. He said Mr Bush now technically had the authority to order a full invasion of Afghanistan, but added: "No one is envisioning occupying a country ... If the White House goes for an invasion it should come back to Congress again." Several experts on international law said the resolution put few limits on the Mr Bush's authority. "It's quite broad," said a University of Pittsburgh law professor, Jules Lobel. "It is not directed against anybody. For example, if the President believes Libya, Iraq, Iran and Pakistan were involved in harbouring these terrorists he could attack all of them."
Re: [CTRL] WHAT WILL THIS WAR BE CALLED?
-Caveat Lector- --- RevCOAL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 16 Sep 2001, Damaeus wrote: What was the lie about Pearl Harbor? That it was a total surprise. There is now evidence that FDR and the higher ups in the military knew something was afoot, and could have done something to avert it if they had so chosen... June === Nakano comments: Yes FDR and the top people in his administration had prior knowledge of the pending Japanese attact, but there is much more to it.it gets worse. A little background information. Roosevelt was the Peace Candidate in the Presidential Election of 1940. The war was already going in Europe and the American People wanted no part of it. The opinion polls were about 80 percent against the U.S. getting into the war. In his campaign speeches, FDR promised repeatedly that: I am not about to send your sons to fight and die in another European War. Having so clearly promised not to enter the war, and with public opinion so strongly against U.S. involvementsomething very dramatic was needed to turn the tide in favor of war. In June-July of 1941, FDR ordered a cut-off of all U.S. oil exports to Japan. (Denial of a strategic resource is, in itself, an act of war). FDR closed the Panama Canal to Japanese ships. In November of 1941 FDR issued an Ultimatum to Japan to get their military out of Manchuria. He was, in effect, putting a chip on his shoulder and daring the Japanese to knock it off...and hoping they would knock it off. They did on December 7, 1941. The attack on Pearl Harbor produced a total change in American Public opinion. The American People now DEMANDED WAR!!! It was then easy for Roosevelt to ask Congress for a Declaration of Warand easy for Congress to approve it. The bottom line is that FDR was spoiling for war and looking for a way to get the U.S. into it. It was a calculated series of steps that resulted in the attack on Pearl Harbor. The U.S. Government was culpable. We had broken the Japanese Codes. FDR and his top people knew the Japanese aircraft carriers were on their way and they did nothing to stop the attack. They didn't even warn the Hawaiian military commanders. 2,500 U.S. servicemen were sacrificed intentionally to get our country into World War 2. Of courseour government would never lie to us today. Regards to All Nakano __ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
