proftp question: symlinks can't be followed.
dear all, i made a symlink from /data/MP3 to /home/ftp. the trouble is that even though anonymous users can see the directory, the can't look into the directory. for example: ls -l lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root9 Jul 30 07:16 MP3 - /data/MP3 drwxrwxrwx 2 root root 4096 Dec 16 2000 incoming/ -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 166 Mar 7 2000 welcome.msg ls -l MP3 cd MP3 MP3: No such file or directory according to the proftpd documentation, this should be ok. obviously i'm missing something here. help? thanks! pete -- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors... [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailer Daemon www.dirac.org/p
Re: Who's using a program
you're prolly thinking of lsof. begin: Miguel Griffa [EMAIL PROTECTED] quote ps aux for programs? At 07:30 a.m. 30/07/01 -0600, Robert Kerr wrote: Hi all, I seem to recall reading (somewhere in my wanderings) of a utility that would tell me who is currently accessing a file/program. Does anyone know of any such beast? Thanks -- -bob
Re: Removing a sound module?
begin: staf wagemakers [EMAIL PROTECTED] quote On Mon, Jul 30, 2001 at 04:07:05PM +0300, Antti Tolamo wrote: How can I remove a soundmodule if it doesn't succeed from modconf? I installed wrong module and now it fails as I try to remove it. modprobe -r module_name example: modprobe -r sb STM that this is exactly what he's talking about. if you can't remove the sound module with rmmod or modprobe, you will need to reboot the system. pete -- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors... [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailer Daemon www.dirac.org/p
Re: GIMP 1.2 +GIFs
dpkg is your friend. you should definitely learn how to use it. see dpkg -l gimp* begin: Hereward Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] quote Hi, I'm trying to get the GIMP to work with .gif files. It can open them, but doesn't recognize the format when trying to save them (even when i've converted the colours). I remember ages ago having to install a seperate gimp-gif program, or simalar. Any help would be great, Thanks in advance, Hereward
Re: Removing a sound module?
begin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] quote On Mon, Jul 30, 2001 at 07:50:15AM -0700, Peter Jay Salzman wrote: if you can't remove the sound module with rmmod or modprobe, you will need to reboot the system. a fuser -v /dev/dsp /dev/audio /dev/mixer may be helpful in identifying and killing a process which is using the sound device and tying up the module. i've also found on occasion, my sound drivers will get corrupted after a suspend/resume on my laptop. this isn't a driver getting corrupted. when a driver gets corrupted, your kernel gets corrupted. a reboot is necessary. you're talking about bad behavior on the _user_ side. not the _kernel_ side, which is where device drivers live. fuser didn't show anything using the device, but when i checked my processes, esd was sitting there pegging the cpu. when i killed esd, i could remove and reinstall the sound driver (maestro3) and sound would work again. i appreciated this solution instead of rebooting because it is just fun to tell people you are tracking an uptime on your laptop. very true -- however, the original poster (you should've left the entire quote in, tsk tsk!) said that he had loaded the _wrong_ module. meaning that, somehow, the module was able to init but simply can't communicate with the kernel. probing hardware is a funny business. it's much more than conceivable that such an occurance will corrupt kernel code. in such a case, the module fails to load not because /dev/dsp is in use, but because of some other reason. perhaps the MODCOUNT gets lost. a pointer went wild. who knows? in that case, a reboot is much more than recommended. even if the system seems fine, the potential for true misery exists. pete -- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors... [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailer Daemon www.dirac.org/p
Sendmail newbie question
I have three computers in my home. I use one as a router to masq the other two to the internet. I would also like to use this one as the mail hub. There is only one user for the three boxes. What I would like to do is to be able to read my mail from any box but still save it on the hub. So that if I want to refer to a saved msg from a different box I can get to it. The router is running debian 2.2r3 using fetchmail-sendmail-procmail-mutt to deal with mail. The way it is currently set up I have to read and send all mail from this box. The other 2 boxes are using progeny-debian. I went this route primarily because of the ease of X configuration with progeny. They also have the same mail pkgs installed. So, my question is, how can I set the network up to be able to send/read mail from any box but store all mail on the hub? Thanks, Jay Latham Beer is proof God loves us and wants us to be happy! Benjamin Franklin
Re: Sendmail newbie question
On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 02:43:43PM -0500, Jeremy Gaddis wrote: On the machine you want to be the mail hub, configure it to accept mail for your (local) domain. On the other machines, tell them to send all local mail to the mail hub for delivery and to use it as a smart host also. A quick example is in order, me thinks. I have three Linux machines here along with various flavors of Windows. hurricane is the (internal) mail server (i.e. no direct Internet connection). The two other Linux machines, kerberos and earthquake are set to send all local mail to hurricane, e.g.: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:pts/0:~]$ grep ^DH /etc/mail/sendmail.cf DHhurricane.home.lan The three Linux machines pass off any mail to hurricane, where it is stored. hurricane uses kerberos as a smart host, since it's the only machine directly connected to the Internet, e.g.: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:pts/0:~]$ grep ^DS /etc/mail/sendmail.cf DSkerberos.home.lan kerberos then uses my ISP's mail server as it's smart host, and lets it deal with the task of getting the mail to its final destination, e.g.: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:pts/0:~]$ grep ^DS /etc/mail/sendmail.cf DSmoseisley.blueriver.net To illustrate this a bit, all my e-mail is stored on my ISP's mail server. When I dialup (on kerberos, the machine with the modem), fetchmail is started and grabs my mail roughly every 300 seconds. fetchmail hands it off to sendmail on kerberos which has been told to send all local e-mail to hurricane for delivery. kerberos then contacts hurricane and gives it the message, which is then passed to procmail which filters it and puts it into its appropriate place under /home/jeremy/Mail/. When I'm done typing this message and hit Send, the machine I'm sitting at tremor will send it to hurricane (my internal mail server, remember?) which will see that it's a non-local email and pass it off to kerberos, who in turn, will give it to my ISP. (Take a look at the mail headers.) See, easy? :) Easy if you know what your doing ;-) Thanks for replying Jeremy, but I'm still confused. You've told me what I need to do but not how to do it. At least not in a way that a complete newbie can understand. I tried to set this up the way you described it (I think) using Outlook but I keep getting a message saying it can't find the host mybox.mydomain.org. I'm not sure how I'm supposed to set up the server to send the mail to the client. Or allow the client to access the mail on the server. Again thanks for the help and please forgive the lack of knowledge on my part. I've tried reading the files in sendmail-doc and man pages but I just became even more confused. It seems to me that those help files are written for ppl who already know what they are doing. Are there any Newbie help files available? -- Jay Latham Beer is proof God loves us and wants us to be happy! Benjamin Franklin
Sound Card Woes
Some history on the card. The card is a SB Live value edition that originally came in a Gateway 2000 computer that I bought 2 years ago. I have since turned this box into my server/router running Debian. But before I did that I had installed a number of distros on it (RedHat, Suse, Mandrake...) and could never get this card to work in any of them. It always worked great in windows. When I built my current workstation, (asus K7V mb athlon800 voodoo3 384mb RAM) I moved the card to it. Again, it works great in windows but I still can't get it to work in Debian or any other distro for that matter. The module loads without errors, sndconfig detects the correct card, basically everything that is supposed to happen happens except there is no sound. I'm beginning to wonder if this is one of those crippled cards that some manufacturers supply to computer venders at a discount price. Could they have turned this into a win only card? Any ideas welcome - Jay Latham
wine question
dear all, as i understand it, wine comes with its own libraries which implement the win32 API. i also understand that if we somehow have access to a windows CD, all legal issues aside, we can use files off windows to make wine work even better. how can i do this? is there a debian specific way of doing this? pete -- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors... [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailer Daemon www.dirac.org/p
question about MTRR and XFree86 4.0
according to /usr/src/linux/Documentation/mtrr.txt... A patch is being written for XFree86 which will make this automatic: in other words the X server will manipulate /proc/mtrr using the ioctl() interface, so users won't have to do anything. does anybody know if this has been done yet? it looks like my mtrr was set: reg00: base=0x ( 0MB), size= 128MB: write-back, count=1 reg01: base=0x0800 ( 128MB), size= 64MB: write-back, count=1 reg02: base=0x0c00 ( 192MB), size= 32MB: write-back, count=1 reg03: base=0xe800 (3712MB), size= 64MB: write-combining, count=2 but i haven't echo'd anything to /proc/mtrr. has this patch already been integrated into X 4.0? pete -- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors... [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailer Daemon www.dirac.org/p
wine question
dear all, i put the following in sources.list since i'd like to update wine on a daily basis from cvs: # Wine deb http://gluck.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main deb-src http://gluck.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main i'm a little confused, because i'm not seeing wine updated when i run apt-get. what gives? it appears that i have version: ii wine 0.20010223.034 Windows Emulator (Binary Emulator) which looks about 4 months old. anyone know what's going on? pete -- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors... [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailer Daemon www.dirac.org/p
woody yadex is 2 years behind the times?
dear all, this is from dpkg: ii yadex 1.0.1-1.1 WAD file editor for doom-style WADs this is from the yadex website: 2001-06-30 - Yadex 1.5.2 is out 2000-12-12 - Yadex 1.5.1 is out 2000-09-25 - The mailing lists have moved 2000-08-27 - Yadex 1.5.0 is out 2000-04-01 - Yadex 1.4.0 is out 2000-01-14 - Yadex 1.3.2 is out 2000-01-12 - Yadex 1.3.1 is out 2000-01-11 - Yadex 1.3.0 is out 1999-11-23 - Yadex 1.2.0 is out 1999-08-28 - Yadex 1.1.0 is out is the woody version of yadex REALLY 2 years behind the upstream version? i can't believe this. someone please tell me what's going on! pete -- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors... [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailer Daemon www.dirac.org/p
Dial in to dsl server
OK here's the specs. I have an account with telocity dsl with static ip. My server is running potato. I have another box duel booting mandrake 8.0 and win. My laptop is duel booting progeny and win. Unlike another dsl (bellsouth) telocity does not offer a dial in service for when your on the road, so my question is this: Is it possible to set up either the server or the win box to accept dial-up log-in from my laptop and then access the internet through my telocity account? -- Jay Latham Linux newbie extradinare. If you can build it. I can break it!
Re: Dial in to dsl server
On Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 08:27:57AM -0500, Andrew Perrin wrote: Sure, you can do it; you'll need to use pppd. Check out the ISP guide from the Debian site for techniques. But your premise is incorrect; telocity does provide dialup for when you're on the road: http://www.directvinternet.com/pages/remote.html Yes, you can check your email through a dialup connection to telocity. But you are only allowed 1 hour a month. After that it's 10 cents a minute. I could use that up just d/l this list g. Thanks for the tip on where to find the docs I need to read. -- Jay Latham Beer is proof God loves us and wants us to be happy! Benjamin Franklin
Perl upgrade
Is it possible to upgrade my stock potato version of perl to the 5.6 version supplied in woody without completely crashing my system. The reason I ask is, I tried this with sendmail and had a hell of time getting my e-mail back even after I went back to the potato version. The only good thing that came out of that was that I'm now fairly proficient in setting up email using sendmail, procmail, fetchmail, and Mutt. ;-) Thanks, -- Jay Latham Beer is proof God loves us and wants us to be happy! Benjamin Franklin
Re: Unix administrator
begin: Dimitri Maziuk [EMAIL PROTECTED] quote * Chris Parker ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly: Student here from a micro$oft school of thought and sick of it. What do I need to read...study to gain the honor of a unix admin.? Is athere any good online classes or tutorials that i should check into? Also what would be a good route to take for a beginner programming? Hopefully the Debian gurus will reply. THANKS TO ALL THAT REPLY! this is sheer and utter nonsense. you said admin, not programmer, right? 1. you DON'T start programming assembly language to become a unix admin. 2. you DON'T have to learn C to be a fledgling unix admin, although it would definitely make sense to read KR down the road, AFTER you learn basics. a good knowledge of make is more important. 3. you DON'T need to read knuth and aho to become a unix admin. 4. you DON'T need to learn discrete math to become a unix admin. being able to use a calculator is good enough. 5. you CERTAINLY DON'T need to read stevens to become a unix admin. a good book like the NAG is certainly enough to begin with. later on, you can flesh out your knowledge with more detailed books. stevens is overkill. 6. you DON'T need to read ESR's cathedral to become a unix admin. that the HECK does this have to do with admining? 7. you DON'T need to start soldering shit. this is completely insane. he must have thought you meant programmer. here are the few things i agree with: Read Tannenbaum, Silbershatz (sp?) and Sobell's Practical Guide. Try shell, awk, sed scripts. Read the Camel book and learn Perl. now this is good advice. you MUST MUST MUST know perl and shell. Set up Sendmail, Bind and Inn on your quadruple-boot home peecee only if you want to become a professional. you never said if you want to use linux for home use or not. no need to know bind and inn if so. knowing a bit about sendmail is crucial, but you certainly don't need to, say, read the o'reilly horror called sendmail. (read everything you can find on linuxdoc.org). good advice, but unrealistic. read what you need to know. don't read what you don't need to know. you certainly won't need to learn how to program device drivers, for instance. a basic understanding of what they are, how they work and how they're configured is enough. Proceed to Garfinkel's Practical Guide and Zwicky's Firewalls. there's tons of good references out there. Get an entry-level helpdesk job at an ISP and work there until hospitalized. Alternatively, work there for a few months, walk to the nearest asylum and surrender yourself to friendly nursies. mandatory if you want to become a professional. not a good move if you want to administer your home system. Or you can skip all of those steps and go get your head examined now. h one last comment from me. once you install linux on your system, almost everything you need to know will be on your hard drive somewhere. advice which is better than mine (and MUCH better than the guy who posted this) is to learn where to find this info on your hard drive. once you do that, you've taken the most important step to becoming a linux admin. peter -- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors... [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailer Daemon www.dirac.org/p
(OT) Perl books
I hope I don't get flamed for asking this on this list but here goes. I've decided that it's time I learned a little about programming and I've decided that, for various reasons, Perl would be a good place to start. But I'm confused on which book would be best for a total newbie. I've been leaning towards the oreilly books Learning Perl 3rd edition, and/or Programming Perl but thought I'd ask for opinons before making the purchase. Any suggestions? -- Jay Latham Beer is proof God loves us and wants us to be happy! Benjamin Franklin
custom spam file (ala rbl)
is there a file that i can drop IP numbers in to keep exim from accepting email from those sites? kind of like using rbl, except i'd have my own custom reject file. i can simulate such a file usign ipchains, but i'd like to know if exim has an IP reject file. thanks! pete -- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors... [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailer Daemon www.dirac.org/p
help making debian ISO's
i'd like to burn a copy of the debian woody distribution, so i'm following the funky instructions about making pseudo-images and using rsync to convert the images to official images. the problem is that the .list file that i'm supposed to get from http://www.uk.debian.org/debian-cd/cd-images/ is only for 2.2r3. there doesn't appear to be a .list for woody. does this mean that there is no official woody cd image or does it mean i need to look elsewhere for the woody .list file? pete -- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors... [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailer Daemon www.dirac.org/p
voodoo trouble - sanity is at stake here.
hey all, my girlfriend asked me to fix something on her computer, and i'm at a loss... she has a voodoo3 / woody / X 4.0 hardware acceleration is obviously working for root (gears looks great, and independent of window size; quake3 looks great). it's obviously NOT working for non-root users (gears is slw. quake3 is painful). when X boots (even as non-root), everything looks nice and healthy. i get the DRI enabled message. yet, it's obvious that something isn't going right for non-root users. i'm at a loss here. X looks good. voodoo is good under root. you don't need a kernel module for non-root acces of the X4 voodoo boards. i don't think anything needs to be setuid. what else is there to check?!? pete -- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors... [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailer Daemon www.dirac.org/p
Re: voodoo trouble - sanity is at stake here.
begin: Alson van der Meulen [EMAIL PROTECTED] quote On Sun, Jun 03, 2001 at 09:40:21AM -0700, Peter Jay Salzman wrote: hey all, my girlfriend asked me to fix something on her computer, and i'm at a loss... she has a voodoo3 / woody / X 4.0 hardware acceleration is obviously working for root (gears looks great, and independent of window size; quake3 looks great). it's obviously NOT working for non-root users (gears is slw. quake3 is painful). when X boots (even as non-root), everything looks nice and healthy. i get the DRI enabled message. yet, it's obvious that something isn't going right for non-root users. i'm at a loss here. X looks good. voodoo is good under root. you don't need a kernel module for non-root acces of the X4 voodoo boards. i don't think anything needs to be setuid. have something like this in your xf86config: Section DRI Mode 0666 EndSection perfect, thank you. look a the docs on dri.sf.net for more info definitely a good site to spend some time at. thanks for the link! pete -- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors... [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailer Daemon www.dirac.org/p
compiling gtk under woody
hello all, today i would like to teach myself how to use gtk. i'm running woody. which packages should i apt-get install? pete -- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors... [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailer Daemon www.dirac.org/p
null SSID for Aironet 350 wireless NIC?
Anybody know how to specify a null SSID for use by a Cisco (Aironet) 350 wireless NIC (via the ario ario_cs drivers loaded as modules)? It seems to default to WaveLAN Network whenever I try to set the SSID to nothing. I can set it to other stuff, but not a null string. Any help will be appreciated. Jay Ford, Network Engineering Group, Information Technology Services University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA 52242 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], phone: 319-335-, fax: 319-335-5505
offtopic (completely): linux games
dear all, i know i'll get flamed for this, but i also happen to know that some of you will greatly appreciate this information: if you ever wanted to get quake III but didn't want to spend the (admittedly hefty) price of $50 or $60, now is your chance to purchase it: quake 3 arena: 9.99 descent 3: 9.99 myth 2: 9.99 heretic 2: 9.99 heavy gear 2: 9.99 soldier of fortune: 9.99 railroad tycoon 2: 9.99 eric's solitaire: 9.99 http://www.ebgames.com/search on linux these are INCREDIBLE prices. if loki sales get good enough, maybe some day we'll get diablo or (native) halflife for linux. :-) sorry, but people like me who refuse to run a dual-boot computer (refuse to fork over $$$ to the evil empire) rely on loki software for recreation. :) pete pgpXbqtzSHefN.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: offtopic (completely): linux games
On Sun 15 Apr 01, 1:52 PM, Nate Amsden said: Peter Jay Salzman wrote: sorry, but people like me who refuse to run a dual-boot computer (refuse to fork over $$$ to the evil empire) rely on loki software for recreation. :) then you should pay full price and support loki. well, i DO buy each and every game as they come out, so you're nagging up the wrong tree! :) i bought quake 3 about a week after it came out. i played the hell out of the demo, a few days after i bought quake 3, i got the demo for unreal tournament, and never used quake blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah... (snip) you're rubber, i'm glue whatever you said is true for me too. :-) my point is a sale to ebworld is better than no sale at all. and shame on you, nate, if you say otherwise. pete
WTF -- klogd has disappeared from woody?!?
dear all, i just updated woody and klogd has disappeared into thin air. it's not even in dpkg -L sysklogd # dpkg -L sysklogd | grep klogd /usr/share/doc/sysklogd /usr/share/doc/sysklogd/changelog.gz /usr/share/doc/sysklogd/copyright /usr/share/doc/sysklogd/changelog.Debian.gz /usr/share/doc/sysklogd/readme.txt.gz /usr/share/man/man8/sysklogd.8.gz /etc/init.d/sysklogd /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd /etc/cron.weekly/sysklogd i'm using: # dpkg -p sysklogd Package: sysklogd Priority: required Version: 1.4.1-1 WTF is going on here? pgpzOYsWCb9IQ.pgp Description: PGP signature
offtopic: curses question
not really a debian related question. i'd like to print the screen in one of my ncurses programs. but there doesn't seem to be any useful documentation on the mcprint function. does anyone know of an opensource program that uses curses which prints the screen to the printer? i'd like to take a look to see how it's done. pete -- Coffee... I've conquered the Borg on coffee! [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Kathryn Janeway on the virtues of coffee www.dirac.org/p
svgatextmode: should i file a bug report?
dear all, it looks like svgatext mode needs to have its dependency shifted from console-tools to console-common. should i file a bug report? pete # apt-get install svgatextmode Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: svgatextmode: Depends: console-tools but it is not installable E: Sorry, broken packages # apt-get install console-tools Package console-tools has no available version, but exists in the database. This typically means that the package was mentioned in a dependency and never uploaded, has been obsoleted or is not available with the contents of sources.list However the following packages replace it: console-common E: Package console-tools has no installation candidate
ssh problem
can anyone explain why this isn't working? i'm trying to ssh into pc10.cs.ucdavis.edu. here is output using the verbose switch. it looks like the remote host hangs up when it's supposed to give the server key. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ssh -v -l test pc10.cs.ucdavis.edu SSH Version OpenSSH_2.2.0p1, protocol versions 1.5/2.0. Compiled with SSL (0x0090581f). debug: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config debug: Applying options for * debug: Seeding random number generator debug: ssh_connect: getuid 1000 geteuid 0 anon 0 debug: Connecting to pc10.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.5.41] port 22. debug: Allocated local port 1023. debug: Connection established. debug: Remote protocol version 1.99, remote software version 2.3.0 SSH Secure Shell (non-commercial) datafellows: 2.3.0 SSH Secure Shell (non-commercial) debug: Local version string SSH-1.5-OpenSSH_2.2.0p1 debug: Waiting for server public key. Connection closed by 169.237.5.41 debug: Calling cleanup 0x805cc8c(0x0) here it is without verbose debugging: # ssh -l test pc10.cs.ucdavis.edu Connection closed by 169.237.5.41 pete -- Coffee... I've conquered the Borg on coffee! [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Kathryn Janeway on the virtues of coffee www.dirac.org/p
Re: Q: Any Linux on 2MB Ram?
i remember seeing linux that works in 512k ram. forget what it was called, but i yahoo'd it under +linux +286 pete On Wed 28 Mar 01, 9:38 PM, Andrea Vettorello said: Jonathan Gift wrote: Hi, I don't think so. I have an old, very old, laptop floating around with 2MB ram on it. Anyone know of a Linux distro that will run on it? Maybe one of the embedded one's? Ironic that PDA's are more powerful nowadays. Don't remember the right name, something like etlinux, IIRC it's a Debian modified for embedded HW and should be working with 2 MB (but i could be wrong), try looking at http://www.prosa.it Andrea -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Coffee... I've conquered the Borg on coffee! [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Kathryn Janeway on the virtues of coffee www.dirac.org/p
Re: 3dfx openGL? what do I need? (kernel 2.4, X 4.x)
On Wed 28 Mar 01, 1:28 AM, Erik Steffl said: this is confusing - I thought they use mesa (or basically any openGL lib) and mesa was in turn implemented to use glide, so if new mesa supports glide3 then all the games run fine... erik, glide is not mesa and mesa is not glide. mesa is an implementation of opengl which uses whatever resources are available to render. glide is a very low-level library that accesses the 3D capabilities of your board. and you can't do much with it. you can set a point of view, define a triangle and couple of other things. very low level. glide and mesa are not orthogonal -- they work together. in other words. an application receives an opengl command. it uses mesa to render whatever it is that needs to be rendered. opengl makes use of glide to perform certain operations ultra quickly. that's the relationship between mesa and glide. pete
Re: 3dfx openGL? what do I need? (kernel 2.4, X 4.x)
On Tue 27 Mar 01, 1:17 PM, David Steinberg said: On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Erik Steffl wrote: sort-of-rant on which packages to get this problem is more general, there are some 'groups' of packages that all provide same/similar functionality but it's not clear which ones work together, netscape packages are similar (or at least were when I was installing netscape). /sort-of-rant Agreed. These mesa and glide packages are very confusing. Netscape is similar. I don't know if it could be resolved by better naming, or if maybe there needs to be some documentation explaining the twisted logic g behind these intricately related groups of packages. Do others find that the current combination of naming and dependancies are sufficient to make things clear? absolutely. maybe there should be a debian QA group who look at questions of usability like this? How I dealt with this: first, I used apt-get. I acutally got rid of the old packages first, and it uninstalled lots of packages that I didn't want to get rid of, like libwine, wine, xbase-clients, xf86setup, and xscreensaver-gl. That made me a little bit nervous, but when I reinstalled them, it actually installed xlibmesa3 and xlibmesa-dev; that's how I found those packages in the first place. been there. done that. :) pete
Re: home network
On Tue 27 Mar 01, 4:46 PM, Jason Majors said: Check out the net-3 howto. You'll want to get a hub. I believe that the difference between a hub and switch is that (assuming both are 100Mbps), the hub can allow a maximum of 100Mbps of traffic (so two machines trying to transfer files from a server would get 50Mbps at most), and a switch allows 100Mbps per connection. Switches are also more expensive. Hubs are the better option for a typical low-traffic home setup. i thought 10baseT only allowed 10Mbs connections, even between 100Mbs capable cards. also, i bought a 4 port D-link switch for 25 plus shipping. at that price, you might as well buy the switch. the resale value is better. :) pete
Help: USB mouse
dear all, i just got a razer boomslang 2000 usb mouse. now i'm trying to figure out how to get this thing to work. compiled USB into my kernel, and i'm seeing all the right kinds of messages on startup: satan kernel: Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=linux-usb ro root=305 noapic satan kernel: usb.c: registered new driver usbdevfs satan kernel: usb.c: registered new driver hub satan kernel: usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1 satan kernel: usb.c: registered new driver hid satan kernel: input0: USB HID v1.00 Mouse [ USB Mouse] on usb1:2.0 the only warning flag i see is that i'm sharing an IRQ with the scsi drive. don't think this is a problem. not really using scsi for anything at the moment (it's my cdrom drive and burner). CPU0 CPU1 11:103 0 XT-PIC aic7xxx, usb-uhci anyone have any idea what protocol i need to use with gpm? do USB mice even USE gpm? (dumb question, yeah. i dunno!) pete - End forwarded message - -- Coffee... I've conquered the Borg on coffee! [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Kathryn Janeway on the virtues of coffee www.dirac.org/p
my left arrow key doesn't work!
when typing at an xterm, my backspace key works (it rubs out the last character) but my left arrow key doesn't (it doesn't move the cursor to the left by one). i know there's a way to fix this, but searching man pages turned up nothing. can someone help me out? this is very annoying! thanks! pete -- Coffee... I've conquered the Borg on coffee! [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Kathryn Janeway on the virtues of coffee www.dirac.org/p
what happened to console-apt?
dear all, on one of my woody machines, i have console-apt (capt) installed, and i love it. capt is like a kinder, gentler dselect. on another one of my machines, everytime i try to install it, i get the error message: navalle:~# apt-get install console-apt Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done Package console-apt has no available version, but exists in the database. This typically means that the package was mentioned in a dependency and never uploaded, has been obsoleted or is not available with the contents of sources.list E: Package console-apt has no installation candidate what does this error mean? how can i install console-apt? the sources.list on navalle reads: deb ftp://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ woody main non-free contrib deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free deb ftp://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free any help is appreciated! pete
Re: Enableing color LS on consoke sessions
here's what i use alias ls='ls -F --color=auto' alias ll='ls -Fl --color=auto' alias la='ls -Fa --color=auto' alias lr='ls -Fr --color=auto' alias lad='ls -Flad --color=auto' alias lla='ls -Fla --color=auto' alias llr='ls -Flr --color=auto' alias lld='ls -Fld --color=auto' alias lrd='ls -Flrd --color=auto' alias lar='ls -Far --color=auto' alias llar='ls -Flar --color=auto' alias lard='ls -Flard --color=auto' the auto keyword is nice cause it doesn't frick up your listing when piping to more or less. i also use my own color scheme export LS_COLORS='fi=0:ex=31:di=01;34:ln=36:pi=34:cd=45:bd=46:so=35:or=43:*.rpm=01;31:*.sh=01;32:*.csh=01;32:*.tar=01;31:*.tgz=01;31:*.arj=01;31:*.taz=01;31:*.lzh=01;31:*.zip=01;31:*.z=01;31:*.Z=01;31:*.gz=01;31:*.bz2=01;31:*.bz=01;31:*.tz=01;31:*.rpm=01;31:*.cpio=01;31:*.jpg=01;35:*.gif=01;35:*.bmp=01;35:*.xbm=01;35:*.xpm=01;35:*.png=01;35:*.tif=01;35' see info ls for more detail. pete On Sun 25 Mar 01, 3:44 PM, Stan Brown said: How do I enable colorizing my ls outptut on the console sessions? It workis in terminals under X. I am using framebuffer if ti matters. -- Stan Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] 843-745-3154 Charleston SC. -- Windows 98: n. useless extension to a minor patch release for 32-bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16-bit patch to an 8-bit operating system originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor, written by a 2-bit company that can't stand for 1 bit of competition. - (c) 2000 Stan Brown. Redistribution via the Microsoft Network is prohibited. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Coffee... I've conquered the Borg on coffee! [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Kathryn Janeway on the virtues of coffee www.dirac.org/p
Re: Enableing color LS on consoke sessions
On Sun 25 Mar 01, 5:34 PM, Hall Stevenson said: * Peter Jay Salzman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [010325 16:14]: the auto keyword is nice cause it doesn't frick up your listing when piping to more or less. i also use my own color scheme export LS_COLORS='fi=0:ex=31:di=01;34:ln=36:pi=34:cd=45:bd=46:so=35:or=43:*.rpm=01;31:*.sh=01;32:*.csh=01;32:*.tar=01;31:*.tgz=01;31:*.arj=01;31:*.taz=01;31:*.lzh=01;31:*.zip=01;31:*.z=01;31:*.Z=01;31:*.gz=01;31:*.bz2=01;31:*.bz=01;31:*.tz=01;31:*.rpm=01;31:*.cpio=01;31:*.jpg=01;35:*.gif=01;35:*.bmp=01;35:*.xbm=01;35:*.xpm=01;35:*.png=01;35:*.tif=01;35' Where is that variable assigned ?? I've checked my .bashrc, .profile, and the global versions and don't see it. hall, i don't know. it could be 'built in' to bash perhaps? My problem is that dirs are blue and very difficult (actually, almost impossible for me -- being color-blind doesn't help, no doubt) for me to read. using LS_COLORS, you can make the directories whatever color you like. took me an hour or so to figure out how to produce something i liked. not a bad time investment for something you use a lot! :-) pete
Re: Enableing color LS on consoke sessions
On Mon 26 Mar 01, 12:37 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Sun, Mar 25, 2001 at 01:02:05PM -0800, Peter Jay Salzman wrote: alias lard='ls -Flard --color=auto' the auto keyword is nice cause it doesn't frick up your listing when piping to more or less. i also use my own color scheme it's nice indeed, except when doing e.g. a ls -la listing.txt, therefore i prefer --color=tty why is that bad? i get exactly what i should get -- no color codes or wierd stufff. auto turns on ls colors only when ls is attached to a terminal. it knows when it's attached to a pipe (and i presume a redirect?) pete
Re: hdc: timeout waiting for DMA
On Mon 26 Mar 01, 2:09 PM, Lex McPhail said: What does the following message mean: hdc: timeout waiting for DMA hdc: irq timeout: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest } i think it means linux wanted to do an operation, sent the request, waited for the IRQ to say i'm done but never got the interrupt. Anyone got any ideas where I should go from here? unfortunately not. best advice i can give is make sure the IDE ribbon cable is tightly in place and the the power cable is in too. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Coffee... I've conquered the Borg on coffee! [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Kathryn Janeway on the virtues of coffee www.dirac.org/p
how to print to a remote host using lprng
hi all, i'm trying to do get my two computers to share a printer: satan (192.168.0.2): has an hp laserjet6mp; runs standard lpd navalle (192.168.0.3): would like to use the above printer; runs lprng printcap on navalle reads: lp :sd=/var/spool/lpd/lp :sh :mx=0 :af=/var/spool/lpd/lp/acct :ml=0 :lf=/var/spool/lpd/lp/log :cd=/var/spool/lpd/lp/ :[EMAIL PROTECTED] :if=/usr/share/lprngtool/master-filter : when i try to print from navalle, i get the message: navalle:~# lpr testmsg navalle:~# lpq Printer: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (dest [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Queue: 1 printable job Server: pid 19285 active Unspooler: pid 19308 active Status: attempt 2, sleeping 10 before retry at 12:10:41.100 Filter_status: lp is ready and printing Rank Owner/ID Class Job Files Size Time 1 root A 284 testmsg441 12:10:40 satan: lpd: Your host does not have line printer access on satan, i created an /etc/hosts.lpd with the contents 192.168.0.3. ipchains on satan is empty. i'm completely stumped. can someone please help? thanks! pete -- Coffee... I've conquered the Borg on coffee! [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Kathryn Janeway on the virtues of coffee www.dirac.org/p
Re: resizing partitions
parted and ext2resize. also, partition magic knows about ext2, so that's your easiest option. just get a partition magic bootdisk. DON'T use fips. wrong tool for the job. fips doesn't know how to split ext2 filesystems. only vfat and dos. pete On Sat 24 Mar 01, 1:06 PM, Michael P. Soulier said: Hey people. I've recently found out that my /tmp partition might be too small for a particular application. I know that fips is supposed to allow non-destructive repartitioning. How would you recommend such a thing under Linux? I don't have a windows partition, nor do I want one, so Partition Magic isn't an option. I'd just like to grow my /tmp partition a bit. Options? Thanks, Mike -- Michael P. Soulier [EMAIL PROTECTED] With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. -- RFC 1925 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Coffee... I've conquered the Borg on coffee! [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Kathryn Janeway on the virtues of coffee www.dirac.org/p
openssh incompatibility with ssh.com's ssh
dear all, woody uses openssh 2.2.0 which is incompatible with ssh.com's ssh [1]. i NEED the most current version of openssh, which i think is 2.2.3. is there any way of getting it short of uninstalling my ssh deb package and installing a tarball from openssh's site? pete [1] only for those who are interested. ssh.com's sshd had an error in the encryption algorithm. openssh's ssh corrected this mistake. however, ssh.com's sshd has now been corrected. unfortunately, openssh's ssh is still trying to apply the correction which generates a corrupt HMAC error message. -- Coffee... I've conquered the Borg on coffee! [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Kathryn Janeway on the virtues of coffee www.dirac.org/p
List
If i was to create my own cd that had everything on it that you put on yours, what would i need. Is there anything that is on a mirror site thats not on your cd? Till next time, Jay ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/
lprng: printing to a remote host
hi all, i'm totally new to lprng, and am finding the volume of documentation difficult to deal with. i'm trying to do something very basic: satan (192.168.0.2): has an hp laserjet6mp and standard lpd navalle (192.168.0.3): would like to use the above printer and runs lprng printcap on navalle reads: lp :sd=/var/spool/lpd/lp :sh :mx=0 :af=/var/spool/lpd/lp/acct :ml=0 :lf=/var/spool/lpd/lp/log :cd=/var/spool/lpd/lp/ :[EMAIL PROTECTED] :if=/usr/share/lprngtool/master-filter : when i try to print from navalle, i get the message: navalle:~# lpr testmsg navalle:~# lpq Printer: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (dest [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Queue: 1 printable job Server: pid 19285 active Unspooler: pid 19308 active Status: attempt 2, sleeping 10 before retry at 12:10:41.100 Filter_status: lp is ready and printing Rank Owner/ID Class Job Files Size Time 1 root A 284 testmsg441 12:10:40 satan: lpd: Your host does not have line printer access on satan, i created an /etc/hosts.lpd with the contents 192.168.0.3. ipchains on satan is empty. i'm completely stumped. can someone please help? thanks! pete -- Coffee... I've conquered the Borg on coffee! [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Kathryn Janeway on the virtues of coffee www.dirac.org/p
dpkg question
what does this mean: [EMAIL PROTECTED] dpkg --yet-to-unpack glide-v5 (no description available) lesstif-bin (no description available) abiword (no description available) libparted1 (no description available) gimp (no description available) libgnome-dev (no description available) libplot (no description available) tdfx-dri (no description available) how can i unpack these yet-to-unpack packages? dpkg -l *gimp* reports (among other things): in gimp 1.0.4-3(no description available) does this mean gimp is installed or not installed on my system? thanks! pete -- Coffee... I've conquered the Borg on coffee! [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Kathryn Janeway on the virtues of coffee www.dirac.org/p
Re: Netscape often hangs
On Tue 20 Mar 01, 6:30 PM, Felix E. Klee said: Hi, I use Netscape 4.76 together with Debian 2.2r2. Very often when I start Nescape and click its menu bar the cursor changes and all of X freezes (btw, I'm running Gnome). I then have to switch to the console and kill Netscape in order to continue working with X. What might be causing this problem? not to be glib, but netscape is the problem. use mozilla, or even better, opera. you'll be happier. i've even got replies from the opera team about bug reports i've filed! let aol try THAT one! ;) pete
broken dependency with libgnome-dev
dear all, should i report this as a bug? i have nothing gnomeish on my system. i'd like to start developing xvoice (which depends on gnome libraries, but one of the things we're doing is removing the gnome dependencies). i need gnome.h, so wanted to install libgnome-dev. that added a couple of other packages, including gnome-libs-data. apparently, the two packages are trying to write to the same file. is this a bug that should go reported? Unpacking libgnome-dev (from .../libgnome-dev_1.0.56-3_i386.deb) ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libgnome-dev_1.0.56-3_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/share/idl/name-service.idl', which is also in package gnome-libs-data pete -- Coffee... I've conquered the Borg on coffee! [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Kathryn Janeway on the virtues of coffee www.dirac.org/p
viavoice installation question - debian
dear all, i'm installing ibm's viavoice on debian woody. in converting the rpm package ViaVoice_runtime-3.0-1.2.i386.rpm to a deb package using alien, i'm getting the following error: dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: format of libviavoiceps.so not recognized BUG IN DYNAMIC LINKER ld.so: dl-version.c: 217: _dl_check_map_versions: Assertion `needed != ((void *)0)' failed! dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: ldd on `debian/tmp/usr/lib/ViaVoice/bin/vvuser' gave error exit status 1 dh_shlibdeps: command returned error code make: [binary-arch] Error 1 (ignored) dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${shlibs:Depends} viavoice-runtime_3.0-2.2_i386.deb generated does this mean the conversion passed or failed? i have two options--install this deb package or just install the native rpm package. anyone care to comment what the best course of action is here? thanks! pete -- Coffee... I've conquered the Borg on coffee! [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Kathryn Janeway on the virtues of coffee www.dirac.org/p
Re: Reboot only w/ mouse.
heh. i've had this happen. if you're luck enough to have the letters s, u, either h, a, l, t or r, e, b, o, t and all the letters in your root password, you can cut and paste your way into a reboot. this has happened to me before, and worked. can you ssh into your machine? that would be easiest of all. pete On Thu 15 Mar 01, 3:14 PM, Mathieu, Barry said: Trouble. My keyboard is not responding (poof - dead), even the LED indicator for caps lock doesn't illuminate. I have X running, w/ ICEWM. There is a mouse menu that allows reboot, but only works if logged-in as root, which I am not. And, I am a bit of a Linux newbie. Is there anyway to reboot my machine simply by using the mouse? Is there any way to re-establish communication with the keyboard w/ only a mouse? Any ideas? I really don't want to push that power button. Sigh, Barry -- Coffee... I've conquered the Borg on coffee! [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Kathryn Janeway on the virtues of coffee www.dirac.org/p
Re: Reboot only w/ mouse.
On Thu 15 Mar 01, 3:41 PM, William T Wilson said: On Thu, 15 Mar 2001, Mathieu, Barry wrote: My keyboard is not responding (poof - dead), even the LED indicator for caps lock doesn't illuminate. I have X running, w/ ICEWM. There If your keyboard has fallen out of the socket then you can plug it back in. It should work fine. (Well, if you plug it in nicely. If you touch some wrong pins together the system will reboot :} ) i don't think this is true -- at least, not for a ps2 keyboard (although i'm SURE it's true for a USB keyboard). i've never been able to get keyboard focus back if the ps2 connection is broken, no matter how careful i've been to plug it back in. have you really gotten focus back when replugging in a ps2 keyboard? pete
help: speech recognition, java and viavoice
dear all, i'm trying to install viavoice (ibm's voice recognition engine) on my woody system. viavoice requires blackdown java JRE-1.2.2 rev RC4. other than a few non-technical details, i know nothing about java. don't even know what a JRE is. but i'd really like to get speech recognition working on my box. on the mirror ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/linux/devel/lang/java/blackdown.org/ debian/dists/woody/non-free/binary-i386/ there are the following packages: j2re1.3_1.2.99rc1-3_i386.deb j2re1.3_1.3.0-2_i386.deb j2sdk1.3-doc-installer_1.3.0-1_all.deb j2sdk1.3_1.2.99rc1-3_i386.deb j2sdk1.3_1.3.0-2_i386.deb jai-lib_1.0.2-1_i386.deb jai-sample_1.0.2-1_all.deb java3d-re_1.2-2_i386.deb java3d-sdk_1.2-2_i386.deb jmf_2.1.0.99-beta2-1_i386.deb it looks like java3d-re_1.2-2_i386.deb is the correct package. what do people think? thanks! pete -- Coffee... I've conquered the Borg on coffee! [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Kathryn Janeway on the virtues of coffee www.dirac.org/p
Re: xfree4.0 and 3d accel
oh, sorry -- i thought you were talking about quake 3. do yourself a favor. don't compile the original quake source. there's a project quakeforge which is a group of people doing a re-write of quake, similar to how prboom and doom legacy are working with the original doom code. if you want to play original quake, quakeforge is the way to go. i'll bet your problem below will disappear with the modernized quakeforge code. pete On Sat 03 Mar 01, 12:15 AM, Michael P. Soulier said: Cool. Are there instructions anywhere on getting Quake working? I'm going through the howto, but I'm missing libraries apparently: [EMAIL PROTECTED] quake]$ ldd quake.x11 libm.so.5 = not found libX11.so.6 = not found libXext.so.6 = not found libc.so.5 = not found I have the first and last by different names so I can fix those with symlinks. I don't have the X11 and Xext modules. They're apparently provided by the xlibg6-dev package, but apt-get won't let me install it. Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: xlib6g-dev: Depends: xlib6g (= 3.3.2.3a-8) but it is not going to be installed which is crap since I have ii xlib6g 4.0.2-1pseudopackage providing X libraries installed. Help? Mike On Fri, Mar 02, 2001 at 09:00:24PM -0800, Peter Jay Salzman wrote: it's automatically set up to use 3D acceleration. pete On Fri 02 Mar 01, 11:27 PM, Michael P. Soulier said: Hey people. I recently installed XFree86 4.0 and am using the tdfx driver for my Voodoo 3. Is it automatically set up to use 3D accel, or do I still have to work to do if I want to play Quake? Mike -- Michael P. Soulier [EMAIL PROTECTED] With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. -- RFC 1925 -- Michael P. Soulier [EMAIL PROTECTED] With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. -- RFC 1925 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ...and here is fortress ovum being stormed by [EMAIL PROTECTED] millions of tiny warriors...www.dirac.org/p -- Robert Schweitzer Picardo pgpGmEBXYODDn.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mouse goes nuts in X
do you have gpm already running? what kind of mouse? peter On Sat 03 Mar 01, 2:28 AM, John McPeek said: Hi, As soon as I start X the mouse looks fine, sitting in the middle of the screen. The moment I move it the cursor jumps to the top left and other than bouncing around and jumping back to the corner I can't get it to do anything. I have already tried different mice(PS2) wheel mouse and a optical wheel mouse. I tried X config also. Any Ideas? Thanks John McPeek -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ...and here is fortress ovum being stormed by [EMAIL PROTECTED] millions of tiny warriors...www.dirac.org/p -- Robert Schweitzer Picardo pgp5WJM2HFrP3.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: an awful mutt thing just happened
On Sat 03 Mar 01, 1:56 AM, Colin Watson said: debian-user goes to a folder (via procmail), and the only way i have to read my debian mail is by using vi on the mailbox it gets sent to. Surely you could type the folder name in manually, even without knowing the TAB trick? yeah -- i just figured out that folder names are relative to $HOME, not $HOME/Mail. do you happen to know offhand how to change the default directory to look in for mail folders? if you know it offhand, cool. if not, i can RTFM. thanks! pete pgpt9LaDcrHQI.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ghost for linux?
On Fri 02 Mar 01, 2:59 PM, MaD dUCK said: also sprach Carel Fellinger (on Fri, 02 Mar 2001 08:30:56PM +0100): /var: copy it to /tmp first? or add rescue.bin and boot.catalog to /var? thing is: the boot process needs scratch space. true. it's called initrd. rd for ramdisk. utmp/wtmp, what does the kernel have to do with utmp and wtmp? why would the kernel care about who is logging into your system? pid files like which ones? we are talking about the boot process, right? no, 'eureka' is greek for 'this bath is too hot.' -- dr. who heh. pete pgp16TfYJvGFv.pgp Description: PGP signature
an awful mutt thing just happened
dear all, you know how you hit c to open other mailboxes and it says: Open mailbox ('?' for list): well, i can no longer use '?' to see the list of mailboxes. it does nothing; it simply drops me back to the main mailbox index. the only thing i can think of is that i *just* updated woody using apt-get. i don't know if mutt was one of the packages that got updated. does some kind soul have any ideas what might be going on? now that i can't access my mailboxes, can you cc this account with a reply? debian-user goes to a folder (via procmail), and the only way i have to read my debian mail is by using vi on the mailbox it gets sent to. a second wierd mutt thing. as root, when i run mutt, it says: /var/spool/mail/root: Permission denied (errno = 13) even though # ll /var/spool/mail/root -rw-rw1 root mail 0 Oct 20 08:05 /var/spool/mail/root this *just* happened at the same time the other mutt problem began, just a few minutes ago after running apt-get. any ideas about this problem? mail problems suck. any help would be GREATLY appreciated. thanks! pete pgp6yShiIO5wU.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: xfree4.0 and 3d accel
it's automatically set up to use 3D acceleration. pete On Fri 02 Mar 01, 11:27 PM, Michael P. Soulier said: Hey people. I recently installed XFree86 4.0 and am using the tdfx driver for my Voodoo 3. Is it automatically set up to use 3D accel, or do I still have to work to do if I want to play Quake? Mike -- Michael P. Soulier [EMAIL PROTECTED] With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. -- RFC 1925 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ...and here is fortress ovum being stormed by [EMAIL PROTECTED] millions of tiny warriors...www.dirac.org/p -- Robert Schweitzer Picardo pgpi6fIGH4PXu.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: IMPS/2 mouse protocol and XF86Setup
On Thu, 1 Mar 2001, Raffaele Sandrini wrote: My problem is, that my mouse is working with gpm but not with X11. i use the gpm flags: -m /dev/psaux -t imps2 (i have an IntelliMouse) Thats working fine. Now im entering into XF86Setup to configure various things... I chose at the mouse tab IMPS/2 and apply the changes. But the mouse is just going into the right upper corner of the screen and stays there. It does this eather if i choose /dev/gpmdata or /dev/psaux or if i choose PS/2 as the protocol. Has somebody an idea whats wrong? Here's what works for me: /etc/gpm.conf (entire)___ device=/dev/psaux responsiveness= repeat_type=raw type=imps2 append= /etc/X11/XF86Config (excerpt) Section Pointer Device /dev/gpmdata Protocol imps/2 ZAxisMapping 4 5 Buttons 7 EndSection Basically, this tells gpm to handle the mouse as a PS/2 mouse via device /dev/psaux, repeat the raw mouse events to /dev/gpmdata. Meanwhile, X is told that the mouse is a PS/2 mouse via /dev/gpmdata. (The ZAxisMapping 4 5 Buttons 7 are to enable the mouse wheel.) Jay Ford, Network Engineering Group, Information Technology Services University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA 52242 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], phone: 319-335-, fax: 319-335-5505
Re: Console Text Scrambled
On Wed, 28 Feb 2001, Tyler Braun wrote: This morning after shutting down X everything on my console was scrambled. I can still type commands and can somewhat distinguish that characters are appearing on the screen, but nothing's readable. I can also start X back up without any problems. Anyone know what might be causing this? And how to fix without a reboot? Switching to a different console back usually fixes that for me: Ctrl-Alt-F2 Ctrl-Alt-F1 Jay Ford, Network Engineering Group, Information Technology Services University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA 52242 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], phone: 319-335-, fax: 319-335-5505
Re: Random reboots freezes on SMP
On Wed 28 Feb 01, 8:34 AM, Andrew n marshall said: Originally, I didn't think this was a SMP problem because of the Windows crashes and becuase Linux crashed many times before I added the SMP kernel (but after I installed the secnd processor). When I did finally get around to installing SMP and reading the HowTo, I began using the mem=255M kernel parameter which vastly improved the situation. I will mention that the most common activity just prior to a freeze/reboot, is playing with dselect, debian's console based front-end to the package manager. a single user space program shouldn't 'cause' the reboot or freeze. Now I am down to one or two reboots/freezes a week, but I don't know where to look next. I have double checked my BIOS for allt he recommendations listed in the HowTo, and I haven't found any error messages in any of the logs during any freeze or reboot. Where can I look for clues? are you sure it's a complete freeze? does the kernel generate an oops? can you ssh into your machine? occam's razor says that you have faulty RAM or firmware. the problem is almost certain to be with your hardware, not linux. try opening a bunch of netscapes and star offices. does the freeze happen? that would point to memory. here's what i would do. 1. swap all the ram. see if that helps. 2. remove one device. wait a week. if problem persists, put the device back and remove a different one. 3. repeat step 2 until you run out of devices. 4. if you still haven't found the problem, it's probably your motherboard. pete pgpv0yYrzkcJ2.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Slow DNS Lookup (4TH POSTING)
leonard, it's hard to say since i have next to no info, but it sounds like you may want to look at tracerroute, ping and tcpdump. these three utilities, when taken together, can diagnost just about any network problem. (you may need to see output of tcpdump on the DNS server). pete On Wed 28 Feb 01, 1:33 PM, Leonard Leblanc said: I am currently running a Debian 2.2 box as my DNS/www/ftp/ssh/etc etc etc... Anyway the DNS lookup is working fine except for when the internal machines try to look up 'www.emergeknowledge.com' which is essentially local. When I am working from home (yes i get to telecommute 4 days a week :)) I can get to the web-site with no lag whatsoever. This leads me to believe that is has something to do with the reverse DNS lookup? (i think) Can someone please get back to me on this one? Any information will be helpful. I've read all the how-tos and tutorials I can get my hands on, but just can't seem to figure this one out I can post my configuration files if you think it's necessary. Leonard Leblanc, Webmaster / Intranet Administrator www.emergeknowledge.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ...and here is fortress ovum being stormed by [EMAIL PROTECTED] millions of tiny warriors...www.dirac.org/p -- Robert Schweitzer Picardo pgpklXi7VMPLx.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Root Password problem
1. boot the system with a rescue floppy. 2. mount the root hard drive partition (assuming /etc doesn't have its own partition). 3. edit /etc/shadow so that the first line has no text between the first and second colons. 4. reboot. root now has no password. pete On Tue 27 Feb 01, 1:10 PM, Daniel Ray said: Grin he doesn't know what he did .. the system is on a video/mouse/keybroard switch box see it was my fault leaving the system login as root in the frist place .. since i am the only person that knows the system .. I didn't think there would have been a problem. hind sight is 20/20 sorry for the delay .. was at lunch Daniel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ...and here is fortress ovum being stormed by [EMAIL PROTECTED] millions of tiny warriors...www.dirac.org/p -- Robert Schweitzer Picardo pgp42eBiUd7Am.pgp Description: PGP signature
3dfx owners: Anyone here lose keyboard/mouse focus?
dear all, i have a voodoo 5, and it has problems losing focus in fast games like quake3 and unreal tourny. does anyone here have the same problem? any known fixes? also, what happened to linux.3dfx.com? now that nvidia owns 3dfx.com, did nvidia give the final foo you to linux owners? btw, anyone here have a radeon? can you tell us what you think about the board? how easy was it to set up? pete -- ...and here is fortress ovum being stormed by [EMAIL PROTECTED] millions of tiny warriors...www.dirac.org/p -- Robert Schweitzer Picardo pgpLtuf9GZlfm.pgp Description: PGP signature
HELP: i need to ping an ipx server
dear all, this is kind of esoteric, but i'll ask it anyway ... i'm writing a program to ping a bunch of servers. it's done, except we have a bunch of netware machine which know IPX, not IP. i found an RPM of a utility named ipxping. i converted it into deb (no problems) and installed the package. however, i'm getting non-sensical output: # ipxping 00:00:00:04 00:80:5F:E6:4A:72 bind: Cannot assign requested address i'm not sure why it wants to bind the requested address. that's just plain wierd. in the README file, the author (who actually ported it from a sun program) mentions that he wants to hear from people using the program. unfortunately, he doesn't give an address. i even ran strings on the binary and original rpm. no email address. so now i'm fresh out of ideas. can some creative soul tell me how i can see if a netware system is alive? i would REALLY appreciate it! pete pgpxNbAVcFPm0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: HELP: i need to ping an ipx server
yes, :). i JUST got it to work though. i tracked down the source code, recompiled the thing and BLAM. it worked. very strange. guess the distributed binary is sour? i dunno. wierd. pete On Mon 26 Feb 01, 7:21 PM, Nate Amsden said: Peter Jay Salzman wrote: dear all, this is kind of esoteric, but i'll ask it anyway ... i'm writing a program to ping a bunch of servers. it's done, except we have a bunch of netware machine which know IPX, not IP. i found an RPM of a utility named ipxping. i converted it into deb (no problems) and installed the package. however, i'm getting non-sensical output: # ipxping 00:00:00:04 00:80:5F:E6:4A:72 bind: Cannot assign requested address you have IPX support loaded/compiled into your kernel? nate -- ::: ICQ: 75132336 http://www.aphroland.org/ http://www.linuxpowered.net/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ...and here is fortress ovum being stormed by [EMAIL PROTECTED] millions of tiny warriors...www.dirac.org/p -- Robert Schweitzer Picardo pgpCiGbeyaQ30.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Problems with tulip driver
james, the tulip driver is problematic. we've had cards at our installfests that required the tulip.c driver from the 2.4.* kernels. can you ping the card's IP? what does /var/log/messages say? why don't you recompile the kernel and turn off Lite-On 82c168 PNIC. compile it as a module or something. that will stop the kernel from trying to configure the card at boot. pete On Sun 25 Feb 01, 2:33 PM, James K. Wiggs said: Folks, I'm finding it impossible to get networking functional on the box I've just installed 2.2r2 on. This is not an exotic setup, and I've successfully installed several other distros on it at one time or another, but the Debian install has been a complete wash. Why does my NetGear FA-310TX refuse to work with this kernel? I searched the archives of the mailing lists exhaustively, and I've found no mention of this problem, but it clearly is not working on my box. I've got an AMD K6-2 350 on an FIC board; the only cards in the machine are a BT-950 SCSI card, the NetGear card, and an older SB AWE32 card. The master disk on the primary controller is an ACER 50X CD, and the master disk on the secondary controller is a CD-RW drive, a Matsushita 8x4x32. The box works perfectly with RedHat 6.0 and 6.2, and with Mandrake 7.0. The hard disk is an IBM 4.3 GB FW-SCSI. The boot logs show that the kernel identifies the card as a Lite-On 82c168 PNIC (???), and the interface gets configured with the proper IP, netmask, etc, but any attempts to send any data out over the wire fail. Any suggestions? best, Jim Wiggs -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ...and here is fortress ovum being stormed by [EMAIL PROTECTED] millions of tiny warriors...www.dirac.org/p -- Robert Schweitzer Picardo pgp9IIOrCVXoH.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Problems with tulip driver
On Sun 25 Feb 01, 8:43 PM, MaD dUCK said: it doesn't happen to be an ISA card, does it? i.e. do you have to worry about IRQ's ? if so, you need to compile a module huh?? why?? why not pass a kernel argument to set up the IRQ? you can do that with the append directive with lilo. or hack the kernel sources. hack the kernel sources to resolve IRQ problems? now you're just talking crazy... p pgplQUn01fYP9.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Problems getting debian to run SMP...
hi there, do a cat /proc/cpuinfo. if everything looks in order, than you're fine. i'm pretty sure the stats are combined figures. pete On Sun 25 Feb 01, 7:45 PM, Jason N. Price said: I just compiled a custom 2.4.2 kernel so I could trim it down and add SMP support. I selected SMP along the way, recompiled, changed my lilo.conf and rebooted. Upon reboot, 'uname -a' gives the following: Linux debian 2.4.2 #1 SMP Sun Feb 25 18:54:43 CST i686 unknown This line leads me to believe that SMP is compiled in properly. But, when I run 'top', it shows only 1 cpu. So, what's the deal here? The system does not appear to recognize both cpus, even though it's compiled into the kernel. Any ideas what the problem might be here? pgpi87M7RsGsD.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Problems with tulip driver
hi james, yes, the most commonly used pci drivers are the 3com vortex/boomerang, the dec tulip and the intel etherexpress pro 100. the problem is that there's a register on these cards, the general purpose register (CSR12) which are programmable by the vendor. they all do it a bit differently. it's a hard situation. as far as debian goes, i can understand your frustration. however, i'll tell you this much. i've used redhat, suse and debian extensively. when it comes to: updating your system recovering from a Really Bad Thing[tm] getting user support debian is orders of magnitude than redhat, and perhaps an order of magnitude better than suse. heck, look at all the support you're getting right now for free! :-) i see someone replied to your question about bin86, so i won't restate the answer. :-) good luck! pete On Sun 25 Feb 01, 6:40 PM, James K. Wiggs said: Peter, Thanks for the info. I find it sort of astonishing that there are problems with the tulip driver. This has to be probably the most commonly used driver other than the ne2k. I've been using these NetGear cards in most of my boxes for about three years and never had *any* problems with any previous kernel. The box I did this install on was running 2.2.14 previously, and the card never complained. Anyway, I unpacked the kernel source and did a make xconfig and I find that, interestingly, the FA-310TX card has its own button on the network drivers menu. I decided to compile it right into the kernel rather than as a module. The only problem now is that make is complaining that it can't find as86, even though I selected the development packages when I did the install. Looking through the stuff on the CD that I downloaded and burned, I can't figure out which .deb package contains the assembler. Do you happen to know? Can I just do an apt-get install as86 and expect it to work? I have to say that, overall, I've been thoroughly unimpressed by the Debian distro. I was told that the installation would be tough, but I *never* anticipated the two-day nightmare that this has become. Thanks for your help, regardless. best, Jim Wiggs On Sun, 25 Feb 2001, Peter Jay Salzman wrote: james, the tulip driver is problematic. we've had cards at our installfests that required the tulip.c driver from the 2.4.* kernels. can you ping the card's IP? what does /var/log/messages say? why don't you recompile the kernel and turn off Lite-On 82c168 PNIC. compile it as a module or something. that will stop the kernel from trying to configure the card at boot. pete On Sun 25 Feb 01, 2:33 PM, James K. Wiggs said: Folks, I'm finding it impossible to get networking functional on the box I've just installed 2.2r2 on. This is not an exotic setup, and I've successfully installed several other distros on it at one time or another, but the Debian install has been a complete wash. Why does my NetGear FA-310TX refuse to work with this kernel? I searched the archives of the mailing lists exhaustively, and I've found no mention of this problem, but it clearly is not working on my box. I've got an AMD K6-2 350 on an FIC board; the only cards in the machine are a BT-950 SCSI card, the NetGear card, and an older SB AWE32 card. The master disk on the primary controller is an ACER 50X CD, and the master disk on the secondary controller is a CD-RW drive, a Matsushita 8x4x32. The box works perfectly with RedHat 6.0 and 6.2, and with Mandrake 7.0. The hard disk is an IBM 4.3 GB FW-SCSI. The boot logs show that the kernel identifies the card as a Lite-On 82c168 PNIC (???), and the interface gets configured with the proper IP, netmask, etc, but any attempts to send any data out over the wire fail. Any suggestions? best, Jim Wiggs pgpqzoiDA7noq.pgp Description: PGP signature
mouse works under gpm, but X screws it up
dear all, i have an microsoft intellimouse 1.1a. it has 3 buttons, plus a wheel. it works great under gpm. device=/dev/psaux type=imps2 append=-R imps2 -- this line was me fooling around the problem is, when i start X, the mouse is definitely not happy. random mouse clicks happen when i simply just move the mouse. it's awful. when i go back to console, it appears that gpm is also screwed up. however, if i kill gpm before starting X, it works just fine under X. Section InputDevice Identifier Mouse1 Driver mouse Option Protocolimps/2 Option Device /dev/psaux EndSection when i try to change gpm to use /dev/gpmdata, the mouse stops working under gpm. i've been at this for awhile. can some kind soul tell me how to get the mouse working under both console and X? it's a bummer having to kill gpm everytime i want to start X up. thanks! pete -- ...and here is fortress ovum being stormed by [EMAIL PROTECTED] millions of tiny warriors...www.dirac.org/p -- Robert Schweitzer Picardo pgp1y4e2fJyD9.pgp Description: PGP signature
help with voodoo 3
dear all, i'm having the hardest time getting my voodoo 3 to work correctly. i'm running woody with X 4.0. i can run gears, and resize the window without a noticeable change in framerate, so SOMETHING has to be going right. however, whenever i try to play quake3 or unreal tournament, i get a frame rate which looks like 2 frames per second. it's awful. one thing that i notice. when i look at the output of startx, i notice the following lines: (WW) TDFX(0): Failed to set up write-combining range (0x4200,0x200) (II) TDFX(0): Textures Memory 7.93 MB (II) TDFX(0): Using XFree86 Acceleration Architecture (XAA) ... (II) TDFX(0): direct rendering disabled direct rendering -- that's DRI, right? it gives no indication why DRI is disabled. any ideas? this is a list of relevent packages installed on my system. in glide-v5 3.10-3 (no description available) ii libglide3 2000.11.02.06 Graphics library for 3Dfx Voodoo based cards ii mesademos 3.2-3 Example programs for Mesa. ii xlibmesa-dev 4.0.2-1XFree86 version of Mesa 3D graphics library ii xlibmesa3 4.0.2-1XFree86 version of Mesa 3D graphics library ii xlibosmesa-dev 4.0.2-1XFree86 version of Mesa off-screen rendering ii xlibosmesa34.0.2-1XFree86 version of Mesa off-screen rendering the 3dfx.o module is loaded too: navalle:~# lsmod Module Size Used by 3dfx4928 0 (unused) when i can get money together, i plan on buying a radeon. until then, i'm stuck with this voodoo3, but i'd really like to play some games. can some kind soul give me advice on how to get this video card working? much thanks!!! pete pgpJS709Wb33b.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: LILO and big HD's
don't have this problem, just for my own knowledge... doesn't this require a quasi-new bios? since lilo can only bootstrap using whatever services the bios allows. pete On Sun 25 Feb 01, 1:02 PM, David B . Harris said: To quote Raffaele Sandrini [EMAIL PROTECTED], # Hi # # I have win and lin insalled on my computer # unfortunally windows must be on the first partition wich is 20 GB's big. the # next 20 GB's are for debian. Is there any chance to get LILO working under # this circumstances (perhaps a new version or something like that)? Yup, the more recent version of Debian have large IDE disk support. You need to add the line: lba32 to the top of your lilo.conf to enable the code for it. Woody(testing) and Sid(unstable)'s LILO packages are fairly recent, but Potato(stable)'s are pretty old. pgpLEk87qFPxl.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: pseudo-OT: curious -- why GPM????
carel, On Sun 25 Feb 01, 9:20 PM, Carel Fellinger said: rant And that's why so many have problems with it, they refuse to RTFM! There is no need whatsoever to have any problems with GPM and X, just follow the examples and try to read the manpage for a change. \rant i think we all know the saying man pages are great for reference, but sometimes suck to learn from. try to re-read the man page for gpm with the mindset of someone who doesn't know what gpmdata is or what repeating means. if you can do this honestly, i'll bet you'll find that the information is there, but requires a definite leap of intuition. the man page definitely makes the possibility of conflict known. it just isn't supremely clear about how to resolve the problem. perhaps the answer is to make repeat_type=raw in the default gpm.conf, and to use type=protocol to specify the mouse protocol in XF86Config-4. if you can configure your consol mouse during installation, it seems to me that this would guarentee no problems with the mouse during X. pete pgpUtd63KKNiv.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: pseudo-OT: curious -- why GPM????
On Sun 25 Feb 01, 10:13 PM, Carel Fellinger said: On Sun, Feb 25, 2001 at 12:35:57PM -0800, Peter Jay Salzman wrote: On Sun 25 Feb 01, 9:20 PM, Carel Fellinger said: if you can configure your consol mouse during installation, it seems to me that this would guarentee no problems with the mouse during X. Yep, but use /dev/mouse linked to /dev/gpmdata even in the early stages of X configuration. Saves a lot of headaches later on:) just to let everyone following this thread know, that was the main source of my confusion when i was working on my girlfriend's computer! what could be more natural than having gpm read from the device /dev/mouse? :-) perhaps debian should consider making the symlinks: /dev/Xmouse - /dev/gpmdata| /dev/gpmmouse - /dev/psaux (or whatever mouse you use) this kind of setup would be really hard to mess up! pete pgp4v0USgsqwN.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: pseudo-OT: curious -- why GPM????
On Sun 25 Feb 01, 10:18 PM, Carel Fellinger said: On Sun, Feb 25, 2001 at 09:47:36PM +0100, Pierfrancesco Caci wrote: ... I have several computers at home and at work with ps/2 mouse and never, never have had any problem at all with both gpm and X reading directly from the /dev/psaux port. The only time when it didn't work, was when someone put protocol translation and mouse repeating by default in the gpm.conf file, and that puzzled me quite a bit before I realized which was the cause of the problem. But maybe I was just locky with the hardware combinations I use. Seems to have to do with the mouse too. I used to have a simple ps/2 only mouse, seemed to work. But with me new wheel mouse, troubles. I think it might have to do with mouse initialisation, and the mouse itself switching to a different protocol if it isn't addressed as it wants to be addressed. So as ever, YMMV. i agree completely. on my system, X and gpm both use /dev/psaux. i use a logitech wheelie mouse. on my girlfriend's (nearly same) system, X and gpm tried to both use /dev/psaux and it caused conflict. both are woody. she uses a microsoft wheelie mouse. i'm almost SURE it has to do with the mouse brand. pete pgpF0PsIY3xO1.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: A modules question
hi mike, i read your email and found it very useful. a few questions remain: If you run lsmod it will show you all loaded modules(e.g. eepro) and modprobe -l will show all your available modules. When the kernel needs a feature that is not resident in the kernel, it sends a request to Kmod, which then uses modprobe to load a module. Modprobe looks for an alias line in /etc/modules.conf to find a match, can you be more precise about this step? looking through /etc/modules.conf, i assume kmod hands modprobe something like: char-major-10-130, /dev/ppp or cipher-3 and then modprobe finds the lines: alias cipher-3fish2 alias /dev/pppppp_generic alias char-major-10-130 softdog and then hands fish2.o, ppp_generic.o and softdog.o to insmod? and insmod is then asked to insert the module the kernel needs. You do not edit /etc/modules.conf directly, but instead put the alias lines (alias eth0 eepro.o) in /etc/modutils and then run update-modules which regenerates the correct alias in /etc/modules.conf. just for my own knowledge, is this (running update-modules to update modules.conf) the way things are done on other distributions too? When the modules are installed a dependency file is created with depmod in /lib/modules/*version*/modules.dep, so modprobe knows all the correct modules it needs to load for a requested feature. so make modules_install runs depmod -a automatically? There is another file you can edit directly: /etc/modules with any modules to be loaded at boot time. So these are always loaded, where as the modules in /etc/modules.conf are loaded only when needed. again, just for my own curiosity, do other distributions also autoload modules on boot using /etc/modules? thank you for posting this email. i found it extremely helpful. pete pgpDmRoMi2WMj.pgp Description: PGP signature
event viewer application
hi, im just new to linux, i would like to if debian linux has a program similar to windows nt event viewer. i have seen that program in corel linux but i heard corel linux is mostly for desktop only, we would like it to be server. your help is greatly appreciated. TIA Wesley Jay Deypalan _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
quake 3 + woody + voodoo 3 == sloooooow
i'm having a hell of a time getting quake3 to run on my girlfriend's machine. she has a voodoo 3/3000 woody Xfree 4 with tdfx module loaded kernel 2.4.0 with DRI support compiled in. 3dfx module loaded in the problem is frame rate -- slo, as if there's no hardware acceleration at all. here are the installed packages: un device3dfx-mod none (no description available) ii device3dfx-sou 2000.11.02 Device driver source for 3Dfx boards for 2.x un glide-v2 none (no description available) un glide-v3 none (no description available) un glide-vg none (no description available) ii glide2-base2.60-6 Voodoo detection and texture utilities un glide2x-sdknone (no description available) un libglide-dev none (no description available) un libglide2 none (no description available) ii libglide2-dev 2.60-6 development files for libglide2 pn libglide2-v2 none (no description available) ii libglide2-v3 2.60-6 Graphics library for Voodoo Banshee and Vood pn libglide2-vg none (no description available) rn mesag-glide2-d 3.1-17 (no description available) un mesag3-glide none (no description available) pn mesag3-glide2 none (no description available) un mesa-dev none (no description available) ii mesademos 3.2-3 Example programs for Mesa. rn mesag-dev 3.1-17 (no description available) rn mesag-glide2-d 3.1-17 (no description available) pn mesag-widgets- none (no description available) ii mesag3 3.1-17 A 3-D graphics library which uses the OpenGL pn mesag3-widgets none (no description available) pn xlibmesa-dev none (no description available) pn xlibmesa3 none (no description available) ii xlibosmesa-dev 4.0.2-1XFree86 version of Mesa off-screen rendering ii xlibosmesa34.0.2-1XFree86 version of Mesa off-screen rendering i'm kind of stumped. i was under the impression that the new voodoo drivers (which are used in X4) don't make use of glide. can someone help me with this? i went to debianplanet and followed thier howto to the letter with no results. i'm really out of ideas! thanks! pete pgpoaMvdK0zey.pgp Description: PGP signature
Epson Stylus Photo 870
In an effort to print to my Epson Stylus Photo 870, I have the following installed: package version --- --- gs-aladdin 6.50-2 lprng 3.7.4-1 magicfilter 1.2-39 on my Debian box (mostly potato but with 2.4.0-test5 kernel some other unstable stuff). Text printing works, which is good. The problem is that graphic (PostScript...) doesn't work well or at all, probably because I don't have the right printcap entries, gs devices, and/or magicfilter filters. I dug through the HOWTOs, list archives, other places, but can't find anything which looks useful specific to the 870. Can somebody who has printing to this printer working well clue me in on the last few pieces to get it configured right? Thanks. Jay Ford, Network Engineering Group, Information Technology Services University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA 52242 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], phone: 319-335-, fax: 319-335-5505
Re: Voodoo 3
hate to say this, but don't use the quake from debian. the package sucks, and if the package manager is anything like many of the other package managers, he's unresponsive and doesn't care about his package anylonger. do yourself a favor, and download quakeforge. you'll be much happier. pete stuff, he's unresponsive On Thu 11 Jan 01, 3:34 PM, Peter Gruber said... On Wed, 10 Jan 2001, Peter Jay Salzman wrote: On Wed 10 Jan 01, 11:30 AM, Peter Gruber said... The problem is: If I start test3dfx in a xterm from X ist works. great If I start it from the console it doesn't. it's not supposed to work from a console If I start quake from X it works it just ignores keypresses unless I switch to console 4 (eithet chvt 4 or strg-alt-4) and if I do so the colors get bad and after quitting the display is unusable! which quake are you talking about? there's lots of different versions. It the one which is called quake-3dfx in debian! And in its documentation it say it may not work if started from X only if started which openvt -- ... (If I do so there no diffenrenz) ciao -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Just upgraded to Woody? Don't have permission to run X? linux In Xwrapper.config, change allowed_users from root to console. - ---._. Coffee...I've conquered the Borg on coffee. [EMAIL PROTECTED]/v\ --Kathryn Janeway on the virtues of coffee http://www.dirac.org // \\ --- ^^ ^^ GPG Fingerprint: B9F1 6CF3 47C4 7CD8 D33E 70A9 A3B9 1945 67EA 951D rules pgp1hiV2PPwOW.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Voodoo 3
On Wed 10 Jan 01, 11:30 AM, Peter Gruber said... The problem is: If I start test3dfx in a xterm from X ist works. great If I start it from the console it doesn't. it's not supposed to work from a console If I start quake from X it works it just ignores keypresses unless I switch to console 4 (eithet chvt 4 or strg-alt-4) and if I do so the colors get bad and after quitting the display is unusable! which quake are you talking about? there's lots of different versions. pete pgpwnmuBNnZd9.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: wacky kernel question
On Wed 10 Jan 01, 3:07 PM, Cliff Sarginson said... I am glad to see I am not the only oldie on the list :) Bring back paper tape and drum storage I say... in which case you should join the united states air force. computer operators are still being trained on papertape / card drives and drum storage. i'm having an awfully difficult time trying to understand why linus would write this code into the kernel. was it a private walk down nostalgia lane or is there actually a use for it? pete -- Just upgraded to Woody? Don't have permission to run X? linux In Xwrapper.config, change allowed_users from root to console. - ---._. Coffee...I've conquered the Borg on coffee. [EMAIL PROTECTED]/v\ --Kathryn Janeway on the virtues of coffee http://www.dirac.org // \\ --- ^^ ^^ GPG Fingerprint: B9F1 6CF3 47C4 7CD8 D33E 70A9 A3B9 1945 67EA 951D rules pgpg0D5lvRc1J.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Hi All
heh... i completely missed that. henry, what's up with the K+R? ;) and i'm a competant enough C programmer to know you can call scripts from C, but that wasn't the point. useradd is a script, not a C executable. so i have no idea why it would honor his request for setuid since he didn't mention anything about writing a wrapper... pete On Sun 09 Jan 00, 7:07 PM, D-Man said... On Tue, Jan 09, 2001 at 11:08:12PM -0800, Henry House wrote: [snip] | It is a kernel restriction (warranted or paranoid as the case may be) but it | can be bypassed if need be by writing a little C wrapper: |#define REAL_PATH /path/to/script |main(ac, av) |char **av; |{ |execv(REAL_PATH, av); |} | | (Shamelessly ripped from perlsec(1p).) | Interesting. That's not ANSI C. (It's KR style) pgp37TMmZPSV1.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: (OT) exec nonreadable shell scripts
On Mon 10 Jan 00, 4:04 AM, D-Man said... On Wed, Jan 10, 2001 at 11:27:38AM -0800, Xucaen wrote: | would writing scripts in a compiled language like | C be a solution? | If any binary files can be exec as suid, then I would recommend python. It will have more of the feel of a script with its high level view of things. Python programs can be byte-compiled to .pyo files. It may be an option to have the .pyo file suid while hiding the .py source itself. h. i think the right tool for the job is sudo. you can open a bottle of beer by prying off the cap with a knife. but why would you? | can a user have permission to exec a script | contained in a directory they don't have read | access to? do you have linux installed already? sounds like an easy experiment. :) pete pgphBTF513mjR.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: removing exe files...
bleah. why remove them? swoosh them into a temp directory where you can delete them with prejudice. but this is a much better idea: find out what the file command says about your fortran OS/2 executables. say, $ file bleeb.exe fortran OS/2 hoopla executable blahblah then use something like: find / -exec file \{} \; | grep 'hoopla executable blahblah' you can use this to get all the files, and put them in a holding area. or you can delete them outright. whatever you want to do. pete On Wed 10 Jan 01, 5:48 PM, David B . Harris said... To quote Marcelo Chiapparini [EMAIL PROTECTED], # How can I remove all of them? I search in the rm documentation (man rm and # info rm) but I didn't find anything. You can use a few tools to do this, but I'll focus on 'find'. Here's what to do, assuming the files you copied over are in /old-disk, and all the fortran files are ended with .exe. Keep in mind this will remove *all* files in /old-disk and its subdirectories which have their name end in .exe: find /old-disk -name *.exe | xargs rm -f That'll find all the names in /old-disk and is subdirectories which end in .exe, and will then run 'rm' on it, with the '-f' flag, which means force, or as I like to put it, remove without any thought to the consequences. David Barclay Harris, Clan Barclay Aut agere, aut mori. (Either action, or death.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Just upgraded to Woody? Don't have permission to run X? linux In Xwrapper.config, change allowed_users from root to console. - ---._. Coffee...I've conquered the Borg on coffee. [EMAIL PROTECTED]/v\ --Kathryn Janeway on the virtues of coffee http://www.dirac.org // \\ --- ^^ ^^ GPG Fingerprint: B9F1 6CF3 47C4 7CD8 D33E 70A9 A3B9 1945 67EA 951D rules pgp64M8yerAJU.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Voodoo 3
dear peter and david, i couldn't get the voodoo3 to work until i installed X 4.0 and used the DRI drivers. pete On Tue 09 Jan 01, 11:34 AM, Peter Gruber said... On Sat, 6 Jan 2001, David Steinberg wrote: But I'm completely lost as to what to do to get it to work... I've installed the following packages (from potato): libglide2-v3 libglide2-dev glide2-base mesag3-glide2 mesag3-widgets mesag-glide2-dev mesag-widgets-dev Okay, so the dev packages are probably overkill at this point, but what the heck? :) If I try to run /usr/bin/test3Dfx, I get: gd error (glide): Can't find or access Banshee/V3 board gd error (glide): grSstSelect: non-existent SSTSegmentation fault In the description for libglide2-v3, it says You'll need the /dev/3dfx kernel driver to use this library. I have no clue what to do about this; where would I get the this kernel driver? I haven't had much luck in finding current documentation (I assume things have changed significantly since the 3dfx howto was last updated 3 years ago, since it specifically mentions that there is no kernel configuration necessary). If anyone could point me in the right direction, I'd be most appreciative. TIA. Hi All I have the same problem, but I can add some more Information maybe it helps! If I run X (3.3.6) I have no problems running the test3dfx binary, except setting it to another resolution then I get a segfault. Running Quake from X seems to work at first glance, but it seems to open another vt (usally vt4) and I have to switch to this vt manually to get keypresses, but then the colors get bad. Leaving Quake leaves all consoles in unusable state (some wierd colors). -- Just upgraded to Woody? Don't have permission to run X? linux In Xwrapper.config, change allowed_users from root to console. - ---._. Coffee...I've conquered the Borg on coffee. [EMAIL PROTECTED]/v\ --Kathryn Janeway on the virtues of coffee http://www.dirac.org // \\ --- ^^ ^^ GPG Fingerprint: B9F1 6CF3 47C4 7CD8 D33E 70A9 A3B9 1945 67EA 951D rules pgp0cJHzTNrwG.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: OT Any Gimp lists?
did you try to look for one? i went to www.yahoo.com and did a search on +gimp +mailing +list and found: * an official gimp user mailing list * a official gimp developer's mailing list * an official gimp announce mailing list * a japanese gimp mailing list * a hungarian gimp mailing list * a german gimp mailing list * a gimp mailing list based in UC berkeley * newsgroup: comp.graphics.apps.gimp * a windows gimp mailing list i haven't even listed the mailing lists, web lists and newsgroups which cater to computer graphics in general. peter On Tue 09 Jan 01, 5:49 PM, Jonathan Gift said... D-Man wrote: There's the windows one. [EMAIL PROTECTED] You know teh subscribe offhand, like default add -subscribe? Any actovity? I've been on the defualt one for a day now and nota single message. I ran a yodel test and got a nice reply, so people are out there and it is working... Jonathan -- Just upgraded to Woody? Don't have permission to run X? linux In Xwrapper.config, change allowed_users from root to console. - ---._. Coffee...I've conquered the Borg on coffee. [EMAIL PROTECTED]/v\ --Kathryn Janeway on the virtues of coffee http://www.dirac.org // \\ --- ^^ ^^ GPG Fingerprint: B9F1 6CF3 47C4 7CD8 D33E 70A9 A3B9 1945 67EA 951D rules pgp6yetgrslZV.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Hi All
hmmm... i was under the impression that suid wasn't honored for scripts? or was that just bash scripts? pete On Wed 10 Jan 01, 11:09 AM, Sathish C said... Hi All I am having debian linux on my machine. I want to give permission to create and delete users on my machine,to some specified users. I tried giving execute permissions on useradd and userdel to those users. It did not work. Then I set setuid bit and tried. It worked. Is this going to have any ill effects? Thanks in advance. Bye Kilaru Content-Description: Card for Sathish C -- Just upgraded to Woody? Don't have permission to run X? linux In Xwrapper.config, change allowed_users from root to console. - ---._. Coffee...I've conquered the Borg on coffee. [EMAIL PROTECTED]/v\ --Kathryn Janeway on the virtues of coffee http://www.dirac.org // \\ --- ^^ ^^ GPG Fingerprint: B9F1 6CF3 47C4 7CD8 D33E 70A9 A3B9 1945 67EA 951D rules pgpiJ0pCYue5R.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Netscape 6 for Linux ?
let me be more specific: nice: 1. auto URL completion (big whoop). 2. renders CSS, even if you turn javascript off (NICE) 3. it crashes less from what i've seen. bad: 1. they took away the bookmark button. maybe this is small potatoes for some, but it's relevant to me. i liked being able to file my bookmarks. this is what i find most annoying. 2. kerberos is completely broken (i can't access my school grades with ns6). 3. very, very, very slow to load. even slower than previous NS incarnations 4. more junk. if the mozilla project/AOL really wanted to do anyone any good, they would concentrate less on the sidebar and more on speed and stability issues. no, i don't want to see little icons at the bottom of the browser that give me 'convenient access' to instant messenger or NS mail. i hate icons and the sidebar makes me puke. 5. assigning helper applications is now very inconvenient; i can't seem to make it work. well, i was able to assign gv to postscript, but that was after 10 minutes of trial and error. i think this subsystem is broken, because even though gv is summoned when i display a postscript object, the helper display doesn't show the postscript/gv entry; it's like the entry is invisible. shit, i can't write for beans. i hope you understand what i'm saying here. i'd recommend against netscape 6. i love CSS, so it's almost worth it for me. i'm thinking of going back though. pete On Sun 07 Jan 01, 10:10 AM, Arcady Genkin said... irvine [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was reading that there is a netscape version 6 available for Linux. Has anyone tried it out? Can anyone foresee any problems in me downloading it and installing on my computer. I tried it. No problems installing it at all. BUT, I don't recommend using it. NN6 is just a re-packaged Mozilla milestone 18, which is not very fresh. There have been at least two more releases of Mozilla since M18, so NN6 is quite outdated. Also, you have to register NN6, which I found a cumbersome pocess; you don't have to register Mozilla. All that said, either of the browsers is by no means a finished product. They are slow, bulky, and buggy. Gotta say that I love Mozilla's rendering engine + international languages support. -- Arcady Genkin Don't read everything you believe. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Just upgraded to Woody? Don't have permission to run X? linux In Xwrapper.config, change allowed_users from root to console. - ---._. The only true science is physics. The rest is [EMAIL PROTECTED]/v\ simply stamp collecting - Ernest Rutherfordhttp://www.dirac.org // \\ --- ^^ ^^ GPG Fingerprint: B9F1 6CF3 47C4 7CD8 D33E 70A9 A3B9 1945 67EA 951D rules pgpOwDPmtvvfb.pgp Description: PGP signature
woody broke tex?
these things always seem to happen right before a presentation... i have a definition for vectors: \renewcommand{\v}[1]{\ensuremath{{\bf\vec{#1 just recently, i found this produced vectors with a ~ symbol instead of the familiar vector symbol. previously, this macro always gave me nice vectors. in this code snippet: \documentclass[12pt]{article} \usepackage{amsmath} \begin{document} \begin{equation} \bf\vec{x} \end{equation} \end{document} the \vec{} produces a squiggly line, very much like \~. by commenting out the usepackage for amsmath, \vec produces the familiar vector symbol. including amsmath seems to be the culprit. i think tetex was updated a few weeks ago, and it's conceivable that i haven't noticed this behavior since then; i've been on vacation for awhile. has anyone else noticed this? pete pgp1f5rBFkdxW.pgp Description: PGP signature
OT: ext2resize
just downloaded ext2resize, and am shocked to see how little documentation there is. the HOWTO gives an artificial example using a file containing a filesystem. the man page basically says nothing other than: SYNOPSIS ext2resize device new size i'd like to use use this program, but it doesn't explain a very fundamental thing: where does this extra space come from? i was expecting something along the lines of: ext2resize /dev/hdaA /dev/hdaB amount of partit. B to give to partit. A has anyone used this program before? any pointers to documentation of substance? can you explain how this thing works? thanks! pete pgpViRHir0nFT.pgp Description: PGP signature
depmod question
i *just* downloaded and compiled 2.4.0-12 for the very first time. after my very first reboot with this kernel, i'm getting: # depmod -a depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.0-test12/kernel/drivers/scsi/imm.o i'm curious - i compiled this kernel by the book. what is causing this message and what is the fix? thanks! pete pgptru7U3lY6A.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: depmod question
On Tue 19 Dec 00, 1:08 PM, Jason Holland said... Peter, what modultils version are you using?? the 2.4 series requires at least version 2.3.18 or above. check your /usr/src/linux-2.4/Documentation/Changes file for other relevant software updates you might need to make. If that is not the problem, imm.o is the driver for an Iomega parallel port scsi adapter. Do you have one of those in your box?? If not, get rid of that in your kernel config and recompile. i originally compiled imm support as a module because you never know when a friend will come over with one of these things... well, i recompiled the kernel and modules without imm support, and there are no complaints from depmod. but this kind of sucks! it's precisely the reason why i tend to built monolithic kernels instead of modular kernels. stuff always seems to go wrong sooner or later. not serious stuff, but really annoying messages which are rather unpleasing to watch scroll by... pete pgpV8fV3OzoFD.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: kernel panic
egads, man. don't reinstall an operating system! don't you have any spare kernels laying around? i always leave myself at least 1 other old kernel. as for vim, try: echo set textwidth=76 $HOME/.vimrc p On Mon 18 Dec 00, 2:07 PM, q said... debs, in one of my dual-boot deskboxes, i have a kernel panic: unable to load NLS charset cp 437 kernel panic: VFS: unable to mount root fs on 03:03 my potato on custom kernel 2.2.17 was functioning well until yesterday. i don't mind a re-install, but i'd really like to know what's going on, as this happens like every couple of months to one of my machines. (i know i have a line-wrap problem w/ vi. when i get some time to learn how to fix it, i'll be very happy. until then, my apologies.) anyway, when i use the rescue disk and mount a partition, i only get the choices of /dev/hda1 (wincrap) /dev/hda3 and /dev/hda4. i'm sure i had /dev/hda2 (linux) and /dev/hda5 (swap). and when i try to mount /dev/hda3-hda4, i get, invalid argument. i think i'm screwed; but if anyone has suggestions, please cc me. ia, t. bentley taylor. // -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Just upgraded to Woody? Don't have permission to run X? linux In Xwrapper.config, change allowed_users from root to console. - --._. To err is human, to forgive is divine. [EMAIL PROTECTED] /v\ To moo is bovine, to meow is feline.http://www.dirac.org/p // \\ -- ^^ ^^ GPG Fingerprint: B9F1 6CF3 47C4 7CD8 D33E 70A9 A3B9 1945 67EA 951D rules pgpB4Y7Uz7Yy1.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: modprobe module problem (char-major-10-135)
for what it's worth, that device is your RTC, or, real time clock. the kernel is looking for rtc.o and isn't finding it... in the future, you can find the device for a particular major/minor number from /usr/src/linux/Documentation/devices.txt. pete On Sun 17 Dec 00, 2:27 AM, Sven Burgener said... Hello debs, How do I fix the following? modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module char-major-10-135 This appears when booting my potato box. Why does this come up? I mean, what is missing / wrong? Cheers Sven -- c:\ deltree /y \windows -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Just upgraded to Woody? Don't have permission to run X? linux In Xwrapper.config, change allowed_users from root to console. - --._. To err is human, to forgive is divine. [EMAIL PROTECTED] /v\ To oink is porcine, to meow is feline.http://www.dirac.org/p // \\ -- ^^ ^^ GPG Fingerprint: B9F1 6CF3 47C4 7CD8 D33E 70A9 A3B9 1945 67EA 951D rules pgp8SXPeNFuxt.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: modprobe module problem (char-major-10-135)
i thought we weren't supposed to modify that file by hand? is that the proper way of doing it, or is there an official debian method that doesn't involve editing that file by hand? pete On Sat 16 Dec 00, 8:02 PM, Jason Holland said... Sven, To get rid of that, put this line in your /etc/modules.conf file alias char-major-10-135 off Jason Hello debs, How do I fix the following? modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module char-major-10-135 This appears when booting my potato box. Why does this come up? I mean, what is missing / wrong? Cheers Sven -- c:\ deltree /y \windows -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Just upgraded to Woody? Don't have permission to run X? linux In Xwrapper.config, change allowed_users from root to console. - --._. To err is human, to forgive is divine. [EMAIL PROTECTED] /v\ To oink is porcine, to meow is feline.http://www.dirac.org/p // \\ -- ^^ ^^ GPG Fingerprint: B9F1 6CF3 47C4 7CD8 D33E 70A9 A3B9 1945 67EA 951D rules pgpAWzBHhSivg.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: interesting xmcd conundrum
good enough. /dev/cdrom points to /dev/scd0, which is owned by root.audio. and all my real users are members of audio. pete On Sat 16 Dec 00, 12:48 PM, Eric G . Miller said... On Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 12:32:26PM -0800, Eric G . Miller wrote: Are you a member of the group audio? Actually, I should've asked: Are you a member of the group cdrom and does the drive device that represents your cdrom have perms root.cdrom ? -- Eric G. Miller egm2@jps.net pgpxBIN5RGUNs.pgp Description: PGP signature
depmod madness
dear all, i'm trying to resolve a conf.modules is newer than /lib/modules/foo/foo.dep problem. i thought that depmod -a would rewrite /lib/modules/foo/foo.dep. in fact, that's what i thought the whole point of depmod -a was. apparently, depmod isn't writing this file, and the error message isn't going away. i know the message is harmless enough, but i'd still like to shut it up. i can always touch foo.dep, but that's cheating. what's the real way of resolving this error message? thanks! pete pgp5f4erQcrBn.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: How do I move a filesystem
cp -a has always worked for me. tar would also work. i think cpio and dd would also. anything that preserves permissions, file ownership, and links should be OK. pete On Fri 15 Dec 00, 7:42 PM, Denzil Kelly said... How do I go about moving my entire filesystem to larger hard drive? __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Just upgraded to Woody? Don't have permission to run X? linux In Xwrapper.config, change allowed_users from root to console. - --._. To err is human, to forgive is divine. [EMAIL PROTECTED] /v\ To oink is porcine, to meow is feline.http://www.dirac.org/p // \\ -- ^^ ^^ GPG Fingerprint: B9F1 6CF3 47C4 7CD8 D33E 70A9 A3B9 1945 67EA 951D rules pgpMoCDLUP9aL.pgp Description: PGP signature