Re: [slim] Control your SqueezeBox or Transporter with Foobar2000
Hello, here's the script recompiled to allow you to select different players. http://www.at-sea.com/work/FooID.zip Please follow the installation instructions at http://www.at-sea.com/FooSQ.html Once you have done that: 1. Locate the FooID.exe file on your computer 2. Right click on it, select "create shortcut" 3. Right click on the shortcut, select "properties" 4. In the "target field" add the playerID of your logitech device to the end of the field in this format: "C:\Program Files\foobar2000\FooID.exe" 00:04:20:10:0f:d2 (a space after the " then the mac address of your player) Create different shortcuts for different players. You can find your PlayerID by loading SqueezeBox server > settings > player The PlayerID will be at the bottom. The AutoIt script is here: http://www.at-sea.com/work/FooID.au3 -- stuffedspacedog stuffedspacedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38655 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79575 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Hail Mary time for Logitech with its Google TV?
MrSinatra;584157 Wrote: > exactly. so if you have base units that NEED something else beyond > webui, you create demand for your own iwhatever remote apps. thats > EXACTLY my point, and thus one reason why they should have one. > To me there are three things that makes Squeezeboxes unique in comparison to other products: - A display which you can view from a distance - Great audio quality - Synchronized playback between multiple players The mass market users don't care about "great audio quality" and "synchronized playback" and you want them to remove the display from the base units. I completely agree that removing the display would make it possible to make the units a lot cheaper, the main reason being that you don't have to invest in display hardware and you don't have to invest in user interface software. However, the problem is that a unit like that isn't unique, it's very similar to devices from competitors with small or no display. To make the device unique and more interesting than the competitors the customers also needs to get the display and as we both agree the display is going to cost. They won't be satisfied with the TV or computer as the display because they want to be able to use the device without a TV and without a computer. With a device like this, that also does video, you clearly get into competition with AppleTV which results in that you either need to get a lot lower than $99 or you have to offer something else than AppleTV. The main disadvantage with AppleTV as an audio device is that it doesn't have its own display, this is fine for video but it's not for audio. As a video device it's main limitation is Apple's decision to try to restrict video formats which forces users to convert their videos to Apple's preferred format and also the fact that it needs iTunes on a computer to play locally stored videos. MrSinatra;584157 Wrote: > > how can you say that when you just mentioned the sheevaplug? > > i think you could use todays low cost yet powerful parts to combine a > full SBS server and a player like the SBRec and have it work well for > $199. if not yet, surely soon enough. > Sorry, I was thinking about a unit with display again, without the display you will be able to create IMHO uninteresting cheap device models for player, server and combo. MrSinatra;584157 Wrote: > > thats the best counterpoint i've heard yet. the problem to me though > is that logitech then has a missed opportunity cost in the form of lost > revenue by not leveraging their own IP that they already paid to > develop, be it SP or SBS. but you make a good point nonetheless. i > suppose its a question of aggressiveness, (businesswise). > Do the math, what do you think it would cost Logitech to port SP to iOS ? What do you think they would be able to earn on it through software sells ? Is there really any revenue in this ? The issue is that people are willing to pay for hardware, $100 for a hardware unit is cheap but $100 for a software that needed the same investment as the hardware unit is expensive to most users. With the App Store prices at $5-$10 there is simply not much money in the software unless you are selling a lot. Unfortunately there isn't enough Squeezebox owners that owns a iOS device or is willing to get one to reach this amount of sold apps. In the App Store anything related to Squeezebox is and always will be a niche market. MrSinatra;584157 Wrote: > > not really. thats why i said "i do think there is a hole for a product > that does that well." > Yes there is a hole, it would be great if there was a product that would work great both as a video device and an audio device. The problem is that the requirements and use cases for audio and video is so different so a device like this would get expensive for everyone that mainly wanted to use it for audio or mainly wanted to use it for video. The devices you are suggesting would only have the potential to be excellent on video, to be excellent on audio they would also need a stationary (non TV) display add-on and a fancy remote add-on. Also, the problem if you do video is that unless you have the backbone to also offer people to buy/rent movies and series people are going to want the device to also do TV recording/playback. Logitech doesn't have the backbone, so with Revue they instead selected to do an integration with cable/satellite boxes. Apple have(or is trying to get) the backbone, so with AppleTV they selected to skip the cable/satellite integration and instead focused on making people rent/buy movies and series through the AppleTV. The big limitation on the video market is the content owners/broadcasting companies which isn't really interested in a new distribution model. I personally believe Revue will fail because it's too complex and I believe AppleTV's biggest problem is that content owners/broadcasting companies are afraid to change their distribution model and Apple don't seem to like subscription based se
Re: [slim] Announcing SqueezePad - the first dedicated iPad App to controll your SqueezeBoxen !
bluegaspode;584133 Wrote: > > My best guess is, that your SqueezeBox database is corrupt. It keeps > cached images of every album (and the WebUI uses a different image size > so could point to the correct images). > So first go to the settings of the WebUI and start a full rescan > (Settings->Rescan Music Library -> 'clear library and rescan > everything'). Make sure, that your HD has some spare space left. > Works... It cleared it all up and now my album cover is showing up as they should. Thanks!! -- jwaka11 jwaka11's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16431 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80553 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announcing SqueezePad - the first dedicated iPad App to controll your SqueezeBoxen !
bluegaspode;584133 Wrote: > > My best guess is, that your SqueezeBox database is corrupt. It keeps > cached images of every album (and the WebUI uses a different image size > so could point to the correct images). > So first go to the settings of the WebUI and start a full rescan > (Settings->Rescan Music Library -> 'clear library and rescan > everything'). Make sure, that your HD has some spare space left. > Works... It cleared it all up and now my album cover is showing up as they should. Thanks!! -- jwaka11 jwaka11's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16431 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80553 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Problem: Skipping Effect Heard During Flac Playback
Well, it obviously shouldn't happen, but when the two players for some reason play at slightly different speeds skipping may occur when they are re-synced. I've had this happen A LOT when using the Controller in sync. The Controller plays so much slower, it is heard as a difference in the pitch. (At least this was the case some time ago. Hopefully it is better now, I haven't tried lately.) You can try decoding FLAC->PCM server-side, and fiddling around with a setting called something like "sync frequency" found somewhere in the server settings (will check this later) to make it less noticeable. Would it matter which way the players are synced, just a thought..? Are others who mix the old and the new generation of players experiencing this? I never thought about it in these terms before, as I mostly only use the Receiver & Boom in sync, Radio only occasionally. -Skinny -- Skinny This sentence says less than a list of audio equipment. Skinny's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21538 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82779 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Problem: Skipping Effect Heard During Flac Playback
I was listening to some flac files I downloaded the other day from the 11 disc reissue of John Lennon's CDs. During the Imagine CD, I thought I detected a skipping sound, identical to a CD which is skipping slightly but continuing to play. I thought that whoever had ripped the CDs had had a faulty CD player. Well just now, I was playing the reissue of David Bowie's Station To Station CD (now a multidisc set) and I heard the same glitch. I then played the flac file that I heard "skipping" via Foobar2000 and as suspected, the skipping effect was NOT present. Any ideas on this new irritating problem? My system is pretty well outlined in my signature. Thanks. Jim -- jimzak http://zzzone.net http://have-a-nice-day.org http://www.last.fm/user/zzzoneDOTnet http://somethingsomethingsomething.net 'Library' (http://zzzone.net/photo/2009/music1.jpg) Ripper: dBpoweramp Router: Lynksys WRT54GL Server: SBS 7.5.1 - Atom-based nettop - Win XP SP3 Player: 2 Booms, 1 Radio, 1 Touch with a Controller Control: 1 extra controller, 1 iPod Touch w/iPeng, 1 iPad w/iPeng for iPad & SqueezePad Files: 81,000+ FLAC/MP3 files - 2TB external HD x 2 jimzak's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17592 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82779 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Hail Mary time for Logitech with its Google TV?
MrSinatra;584143 Wrote: > first of all, there is no need for you to get nasty and personal in your > comments. > Sorry for that. > > with whom i speak to frequently about such things IS an iphone app > developer, and has worked for the DoD, Sun, and others. > Please ask him about going rates for iPhone programmers these days. > > i am not questioning your skills or your product. i have already said > i think ipeng is great. but obviously you have not gotten > $150/hr+expenses PAYBACK on your time. right? am i correct on that? > Yep. That was my point, wasn't it. I said it would cost like 250-500k to develop a simple iPhone remote if you were Logitech and I said if I calculate what my work would have cost at market prices (you asked) it would have been >$1mil. I would not have done it for that money. You need passion to deliver, money can't buy you passion. > > has ipeng even come close to paying you what you would have charged > logitech? when will it? > Never. > > logitech could have found someone to do the app from scratch and charge > a more reasonable rate > You don't get the point. That _IS_ a totally reasonable and common rate. I know a lot of iPhone programmers around the world, I'm hiring iPhone programmers these days and my experience is: You get newbies for $50-60 an hour. You get experienced programmers for $100-200 an hour. And if your project is boring you get no iPhone programmers at all. For no money in the world. That's the market today. > > let me tell you that over here anyway, the supply of developers exceeds > the demand, at least at the $150/hr pricepoint. > Seriously? Can you get me some e-mail addresses? > > SP or from scratch... either way, whatever works. it just seems to me > they'd at least have some kind of example code to go on. > I had the same. SP is now open source. Doesn't help. Just detracts you. > > who is saying they should develop one that sucks? did you hear me say > that? this is a strawman, obviously i don't think they should make > anything that sucks. > Read my point. My point was: For the kind of money they can afford to pay on this if they want to make money out of it they will only get one that sucks. > > so explain then the itunes/apple store? its small compared to HW > right? thats what erland says. yet i'm sure they spend big bucks on > it. gee, i wonder why? > Because it makes them sell iPhones as big bucks. It's called "focus". Apple is a world champion in focusing. THAT'S why they make all that money. I'm absolutely 100% sure Apple's main metric is R/E because good engineers are what's at short supply. You can get all cheap manufacturing you want (Apple manufactures NOTHING themselves) but you can't grow your engineering force as much as you want. Even if you could get enough good engineers, overhead grows exponentially with organization size. > > do they get ipeng BEFORE they get the hardware? who would do that? no > one with a brain. my point is that logitech should be trying to > leverage all the revenue potential out of their IP they can, and they > did not do that here. they ceded the market to you. > that point is moot. They buy it because they know there's a good app for it and they would not buy it without that. Plenty of users who just buy a Receiver, they actually can't use the device without the App as well as the other way around. You can argue until the cows come home about whether Logitech _should_ have done an App like that, they didn't, what'S the point in arguing about it? Ma only point is: there is no SW money in it for them -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82366 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Hail Mary time for Logitech with its Google TV?
Goodsounds;584160 Wrote: > The prefix "Un" can mean "not". Indeed Erland is unamerican, he's > Swedish (sorry if I got that wrong). Logitech is unamerican too, it's > a Swiss company. > > You can agree or disagree with what Logitech is doing, that's fine, > that's what everyone here has an interest in. Your comments will be > more credible without the false and pseudo patriotic platitudes that > the non-Americans (and many Americans too) probably find to be only > laughable. > > The one area where the US may have a monopoly is our tendency to be > overly doctrinaire and naive. Otherwise, the world is flat, as Thomas > Friedman would say. gimmie a break. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 & sbc (my home) / sbrec & ipeng (parent's home) - sbs 7.5.2b - win xp pro sp3 ie8 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 45k+ mp3 MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82366 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Hail Mary time for Logitech with its Google TV?
MrSinatra;584039 Wrote: > > america is a capitalistic country, that promotes innovation and > competition and entrepreneurialism, and thus confidence in your own > ability to compete and win. > > sorry, erlands view is fatalism, its the view of a pessimist, and it > should not be logitechs view EVEN IF erland is right about logitech > (which i agree he probably is), b/c that view is deeply unamerican, > imo. > > and anyway, i was saying logitech should have been first to the market > to begin with. my whole beef is that i think they knew they could do > this, and have been first, but they decided to cede it, which to me, is > crazy. The prefix "Un" can mean "not". Indeed Erland is unamerican, he's Swedish (sorry if I got that wrong). Logitech is unamerican too, it's a Swiss company. You can agree or disagree with what Logitech is doing, that's fine, that's what everyone here has an interest in. Your comments will be more credible without the false and pseudo patriotic platitudes that the non-Americans (and many Americans too) probably find to be only laughable. The one area where the US may have a monopoly is our tendency to be overly doctrinaire and naive. Otherwise, the world is flat, as Thomas Friedman would say. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82366 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Hail Mary time for Logitech with its Google TV?
erland;584114 Wrote: > I thought we were still talking about a device where you could select > and play music without a computer, if we are talking about a device > that needs a computer or an additional optional fancy remote the > situation is completely different. > > Without any display on the device, you need a display somewhere else to > control it, either a computer or something else. exactly. so if you have base units that NEED something else beyond webui, you create demand for your own iwhatever remote apps. thats EXACTLY my point, and thus one reason why they should have one. erland;584114 Wrote: > Because they are very different, the combo unit gets too expensive with > the current architecture because the CPU/memory has to be able to > handle both the server part and the client part. However, something > like the current architecture is needed for the separate units (player > and server) how can you say that when you just mentioned the sheevaplug? i think you could use todays low cost yet powerful parts to combine a full SBS server and a player like the SBRec and have it work well for $199. if not yet, surely soon enough. erland;584114 Wrote: > The touch screen is useless, the color screen is excellent. None of my > Squeezeboxes have been as exiting to look at as the Touch color screen. fine and you cold pay extra for that, np. i am talking about base units, and base units don't need, and should NOT have displays. erland;584114 Wrote: > To me it feels smart to make someone else do the work you can't earn > much money on yourself, especially if the person doing has more/better > experience and it will result in that Logitech's Squeezebox products > gets more attractive. thats the best counterpoint i've heard yet. the problem to me though is that logitech then has a missed opportunity cost in the form of lost revenue by not leveraging their own IP that they already paid to develop, be it SP or SBS. but you make a good point nonetheless. i suppose its a question of aggressiveness, (businesswise). erland;584114 Wrote: > Someone already has, the server product exists as a standalone product > in the form of Vortexbox. but not the combo product. erland;584114 Wrote: > The cheap version of a server could easily be offered with Sheevaplug > and the Squeezeplug software, they both exist so someone just have to > market it. agreed. erland;584114 Wrote: > Could you mention one stationary video product that's good at audio ? > Could you mention one stationary audio product that's good at video ? not really. thats why i said "i do think there is a hole for a product that does that well." erland;584114 Wrote: > For portable devices it makes sense to mix audio and video because the > requirements on a portable device is a lot different than a stationary > device. For stationary products audio and video has very different use > cases. > > A visualizer on the TV would be fun at some party situations and so > would the possibility to browse the music on the TV, but unless the > device also can play movies I wouldn't be willing to pay much for it. > AppleTV is really interesting IMHO to take this spot and anything that > likes to compete in this area needs to be cheaper than AppleTV or offer > a lot more functionality. exactly, ergo COMBO standalone product. thats what i am talking about. why would anyone, (except those who dislike apple stuff), get a SB when they can get an apple TV that will work with their apple remote and itunes AND do movies!? apple TVs only drawbacks are that in some usage cases you need a computer on, and that it is an apple product. other than that, it smashes logitech. the hole is for a non-apple, standalone product, that can do what apple TV does and more. thats the combo product i am proposing. erland;584114 Wrote: > However, during normal usage I would prefer to browse my music on an > iPad or iPhone/iPod Touch or similar device. Only browsing on the TV > won't work for most people. agreed. i never said "only." -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 & sbc (my home) / sbrec & ipeng (parent's home) - sbs 7.5.2b - win xp pro sp3 ie8 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 45k+ mp3 MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82366 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Hail Mary time for Logitech with its Google TV?
JonWill;584043 Wrote: > As someone who comissions software this is just not the case - Pippin > will have put in far more work that he would have done and for far less > than if he was contracting/ employed for the simple reason that its > usccess matters to him more - he owns the IP, he has a stake in the > success of future versions, and (don't get me wrong, Pippin, this is a > compliment) he seems to have an obsessive desire to make his own (and > therefore our) SB experience as good as possible. > > If this was contracted out, Logitech would be charged for all the > udpates/ bug fixes/ feature enhancements. There would be Project > Mangament, software licences and a profit margin on the costs. And it > would never be as flexible to user demands. > > Bit off the discussion here, but thought I'd add my thoughts ... first, logitech had options... they could have made the app open source, and given it away for free, just as they do SBS, with the idea that it helps HW sales. or, they could have made it open source and charged for it anyway. or, they could do what pippin and the other 3rd party vendors do, and not made it open source, and charged for it. it just seems to me that they could have done something to be first in the space and have their brand there, and given all the 3rd party implementations now out there, done so for a reasonable cost, that eventually would have been profitable. i do agree that whatever they did would NOT be as good as what pippin has done, for the reasons you state, as well as logitechs poor track record. but would pippin and others have done ANYTHING IF logitech had gotten there with something ADEQUATE that was free or $5 or $9? thats the question. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 & sbc (my home) / sbrec & ipeng (parent's home) - sbs 7.5.2b - win xp pro sp3 ie8 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 45k+ mp3 MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82366 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Utility for downloading album art
Another Album Art Downloader recommendation. A bit awkward to set up to your liking but once sorted works very well. -- MillmoorRon MillmoorRon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6413 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82749 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Hail Mary time for Logitech with its Google TV?
first of all, there is no need for you to get nasty and personal in your comments. i have not done that to you. i have been using and fixing computers for 30 years for which i am certified and my brother in law, with whom i speak to frequently about such things IS an iphone app developer, and has worked for the DoD, Sun, and others. i think you're wrong on some points, and i disagree. can't we do that civilly? pippin;584042 Wrote: > If I include my own time? Definitely! If I unclude it at the rate at > which I could have marketed that time as an iPhone developer? Much more > than what I quoted above. At market prices ($150/h) iPeng development so > far would have cost definitely >1 mil$. > > As opposed to you I _know_ what I'm talking about here, I'm in that > business and I've been in the hardware business for quite a while, > too. > > My price was for one app. The Logitech source code is worthless for > that environment, trust me, I've been trying to port SqueezePlay Audio > for long enough to know. > Add the same bill I mentioned above for any other platform you want to > support besides iPhone. > > For cheap, they could have something that sucks and hurts their HW > sales. You can't charge for updates on the App Store. i am not questioning your skills or your product. i have already said i think ipeng is great. but obviously you have not gotten $150/hr+expenses PAYBACK on your time. right? am i correct on that? has ipeng even come close to paying you what you would have charged logitech? when will it? logitech could have found someone to do the app from scratch and charge a more reasonable rate, and given a percentage on future commissions, or done some kind of negotiation. how many such apps are out there now for these devices? its not like you're alone, so its not as if the mountain was K2. let me tell you that over here anyway, the supply of developers exceeds the demand, at least at the $150/hr pricepoint. pippin;584042 Wrote: > Again, SP is worth nothing in this environment. Half of the code in > there has license restrictions they won't get around either and the > other half is LUA. OK, it's exaggerated on the license side but still > enough to make a complete re-write necessary. SP or from scratch... either way, whatever works. it just seems to me they'd at least have some kind of example code to go on. pippin;584042 Wrote: > Not if it sucks and hurts their HW sales. Read SB reviews. They are full > of "It's nice, but if you really want it usable you need 3rd party apps > like iPeng". If that read "It's nice but the App they are giving away > with it sucks" what do you think how much they would sell. who is saying they should develop one that sucks? did you hear me say that? this is a strawman, obviously i don't think they should make anything that sucks. pippin;584042 Wrote: > Cough, cough... Have you EVER worked for a big American company that > does manufacturing? I have and the main metric they work for is R/E > (revenue per engineering man year) And success in corporate > environments is not measured in dollars earned but in deliverables > delivered with your team, your budget and your headcount. This is what > determines your salary. And no, of course I don't say this is how it > _should_ be. But it is. Everywhere. so explain then the itunes/apple store? its small compared to HW right? thats what erland says. yet i'm sure they spend big bucks on it. gee, i wonder why? and anyway, i don't believe all busniesses look at it that way, although it seems logitech does, but as you say i am talking about what SHOULD be. (yes, i have worked for "big manufacturing," however i admit it wasn't high tech related products, but they had plenty of engineers so i understand the ratio you are talking about) pippin;584042 Wrote: > You are wrong again. > 1. Read the reviews I mentioned above. > 2. I know of a significant share of my customers who buy the Squeezebox > HW exactly because they look for something they can control well with > their iThingy. do they get ipeng BEFORE they get the hardware? who would do that? no one with a brain. my point is that logitech should be trying to leverage all the revenue potential out of their IP they can, and they did not do that here. they ceded the market to you. and yes, some people do get the hardware knowing "there's an app for that." but thats my point! of course thats true, AND logitech should have been the one providing the app! pippin;584042 Wrote: > Well, as I said, let's revisit this in 15 years. I believe the problem > is the distance you have to the TC screen which makes reading too hard > (wrong eye focus) which in turn means you can only use big, iconized > UIs. You can not touch it so you are lacking the immediate feedback > you've got on an iPad. > And no, making it bigger doesn't help with any of that. Not at all. it depends on the usage case... this stuff is in its infancy. if they can make emai
Re: [slim] Love My Squeezebox! What's The Equivalent For Video?
Yeah, despite some iffy early feedback on the forums my Xtreamer is pretty good. Not found anything it won't play yet. Picture quality is excellent on a HD TV. -- MillmoorRon MillmoorRon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6413 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40689 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announcing SqueezePad - the first dedicated iPad App to controll your SqueezeBoxen !
Never heard of hijacked covers - mysterious. If this even happens even after a restart of SqueezePad then your server sends bogus data. You could check with SqueezePlay (download on the bottom: http://downloads.slimdevices.com/nightly/?ver=7.5) how a Squeezebox Touch would show the covers. My best guess is, that your SqueezeBox database is corrupt. It keeps cached images of every album (and the WebUI uses a different image size so could point to the correct images). So first go to the settings of the WebUI and start a full rescan (Settings->Rescan Music Library -> 'clear library and rescan everything'). Make sure, that your HD has some spare space left. My second best guess is, that maybe you have wrong images embedded in your music files (check with MP3Tag). But I think the WebUI would show them as well. -- bluegaspode Big Screen for great Boxes available now at your AppStore: *'Squeezebox + iPad = SqueezePad ' (www.squeezepad.com) *! Want to see a Weather Forecast on your Radio/Touch/Controller ? => why not try my 'Weather Forecast Applet' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73827) Want to use the Headphones with your Controller ? => why not try my 'Headphone Switcher Applet' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67139) Setup: 1x SB-Controller+Receiver (Duet), 1xSB-Boom. 2xSB-Radio Server (7.5.1) running on SheevaPlug (Ubuntu) with attached Western Digital MyBook Essential. bluegaspode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80553 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announcing SqueezePad - the first dedicated iPad App to controll your SqueezeBoxen !
Thanks for being responsive and assigning a numerical value to the volume. Hugely helps. This may/may not be with the app but thought I'd ask anyway... Most of my album cover art has been hijacked by "OMG Usher" cover art. How do I get rid of it? I dont have any Usher's album so I dont know where Im getting that from. The album art is showing correctly on the PC but not on the iPad. Both are playing the same file but showing different album cover. [image: http://imgur.com/zfpUF.jpg] Thoughts on how to get rid of it? -- jwaka11 jwaka11's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16431 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80553 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Love My Squeezebox! What's The Equivalent For Video?
tern;583999 Wrote: > I'm still looking for something as good and easy as a 'Video > Squeezebox'. Really? Looking back on this very thread, I see that I've been using my Xtreamer for a year. It gets used every day, and is very popular in my household! It's totally changed our TV watching habits, and is about as close as you can get (the way I use it) to a video Squeezebox. Quite a lot cheaper than SBs too... -- adamslim Touch, Caiman, 845 SET, Lowther monsters SB3, Charlize 2, One Thing Quad ESLs Boom x 2, Radio adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40689 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] ANNOUNCE: iPeng for iPad - Your Squeezebox Remote Gets Big
pippin;584110 Wrote: > Actually the server is picking up the list from MySB and iPeng is > picking it up from the server. So _theoretically_ the issue could be > completely within the server side. Have you tried to restart it? yes, just got off phone with support. I had to re-enter/reset the MAC on the player and do a factory restore. MAC that was showing was not the one on the player's sticker. Still showing an IP and not a MAC in MySB.com, but iPeng is now working. As it wasn't an iPeng issue, I'm happy to delete the posts and search for a more appropriate thread to post in if you'd like. -- twylie Synology DS-1010+ -> transporter -> Krell KRC2 -> 4 x nuforce 8b -> Von Schweikert VR-4 Gen III Thecus N5200 -> SB3 -> Monarchy DIP -> Monarchy Super DIP -> Monarchy 18b -> AES 845 monos -> Sonus Faber Concertos / Audio Physic Sparks Thecus N5200 -> SB3 -> Russound CAV6.6 and CAM6.6 -> whole house audio twylie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=956 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82681 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Hail Mary time for Logitech with its Google TV?
MrSinatra;584032 Wrote:
> i disagree that the combo product NEEDS the display. what i have been
> trying to say is NONE of my 3 product suggestions, for a base model
> unit, needs a display or a remote, or anything like that. just a solid
> box with HQ audio/video outputs, and enough CPU power to not be slow.
>
> i think you have missed me saying that. base unit = no expensive
> displays, no remotes, etc...
>
> how could they do that? by making the box get an IP via DHCP and be
> webui accessible, and by having their own branded remote apps. once
> upon a time you didn't need a SBC to setup a SBRec, SP could do it.
>
> i think they could do such a product for $199 easy.
>
I thought we were still talking about a device where you could select
and play music without a computer, if we are talking about a device
that needs a computer or an additional optional fancy remote the
situation is completely different.
Without any display on the device, you need a display somewhere else to
control it, either a computer or something else.
MrSinatra;584032 Wrote:
>
> why? why couldn't they do all three? it seems to me they have all 3
> now, but just done badly, but not done badly simply b/c they have all
> 3, but for other reasons.
>
Because they are very different, the combo unit gets too expensive with
the current architecture because the CPU/memory has to be able to handle
both the server part and the client part. However, something like the
current architecture is needed for the separate units (player and
server)
MrSinatra;584032 Wrote:
>
> i think like you said earlier, you could combine similar hardware of a
> sheevaplug with the SBRec, and get the $199 combo product. ditch the
> stupid touchscreen, who sits right next to their stereo anyway?
>
The touch screen is useless, the color screen is excellent. None of my
Squeezeboxes have been as exiting to look at as the Touch color
screen.
MrSinatra;584032 Wrote:
>
> port SP or do an app from scratch, but to me, it is insane they have
> left this to others, while developing SBC, touch, etc... the game of
> business isn't the margin alone, its overall profit. smaller margins
> are good as long as the raw numbers are big enough.
>
To me it feels smart to make someone else do the work you can't earn
much money on yourself, especially if the person doing has more/better
experience and it will result in that Logitech's Squeezebox products
gets more attractive.
MrSinatra;584032 Wrote:
>
> no, but i enjoy the mental exercise of it. who knows, maybe someone
> will take all this opensource stuff and make their own product based on
> these ideas.
>
Someone already has, the server product exists as a standalone product
in the form of Vortexbox.
The cheap version of a server could easily be offered with Sheevaplug
and the Squeezeplug software, they both exist so someone just have to
market it.
MrSinatra;584032 Wrote:
>
> see, again this is where we disagree. i have been saying for a long
> time now it should be an audio AND video product, and have an "all in
> one" version. i do think there is a hole for a product that does that
> well.
>
> TIVO is a great product, but currently is not good at music. if it
> does ever get good at music, i think logitech would only then be able
> to compete with them by offering a low, one time price. but TIVO is
> just one such product.
>
Could you mention one stationary video product that's good at audio ?
Could you mention one stationary audio product that's good at video ?
For portable devices it makes sense to mix audio and video because the
requirements on a portable device is a lot different than a stationary
device. For stationary products audio and video has very different use
cases.
A visualizer on the TV would be fun at some party situations and so
would the possibility to browse the music on the TV, but unless the
device also can play movies I wouldn't be willing to pay much for it.
AppleTV is really interesting IMHO to take this spot and anything that
likes to compete in this area needs to be cheaper than AppleTV or offer
a lot more functionality.
However, during normal usage I would prefer to browse my music on an
iPad or iPhone/iPod Touch or similar device. Only browsing on the TV
won't work for most people.
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Re: [slim] ANNOUNCE: iPeng for iPad - Your Squeezebox Remote Gets Big
twylie;584107 Wrote: > > I deleted and added it back in already, btu will do some more > troubleshooting on it and report back. Thanks for the clue that you > were picking up the app list from MySB. Actually the server is picking up the list from MySB and iPeng is picking it up from the server. So _theoretically_ the issue could be completely within the server side. Have you tried to restart it? -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82681 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Hail Mary time for Logitech with its Google TV?
pippin;584029 Wrote:
> @Erland
> I believe they will try to do 3 and you will be surprised: I believe
> the current architecture is a perfect fit for that.
> You have to not think along the home server lines for this. Customers
> for these devices don't care about their music at home they care about
> online sources first. Does AppleTV still have an HD?
> And with the MySB architecture they are actually better capable of
> integrating stuff on the backend side into the current architecture
> than anybody else in the market right now.
> THAT'S the real asset in here. I only wish they would make even better
> use of this, not marketing these devices towards mobile users is so
> darn ridiculous.
You are of course right, if we skip the locally stored music and they
manage to get MySB reliable, the architecture is perfect.
With services like Spotify locally stored music isn't that interesting
for mass market any more. It is interested for audiophiles as they care
about audio quality but most mass market users can't hear the difference
between a 320kbit MP3 and a FLAC file, so Spotify and similar services
are perfect for these. Unfortunately Spotify doesn't work on MySB yet
but I guess it's just a matter of time until Logitech/Spotify sees the
potential.
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Re: [slim] ANNOUNCE: iPeng for iPad - Your Squeezebox Remote Gets Big
pippin;584101 Wrote: > Is that softsqueeze, Squeezeplay or some other software player? > These don't work with the Apps. They don't work in the Web Interface > either but the Web I/F will only tell you when you try to play > something. > > If not, then for some reason MySB (which is providing the menus) > _thinks_ it's a software player. SB3/Classic hardware player. I think the clue is MySB is picking up an IP instead of the MAC, so it looks like a software player. -- twylie Synology DS-1010+ -> transporter -> Krell KRC2 -> 4 x nuforce 8b -> Von Schweikert VR-4 Gen III Thecus N5200 -> SB3 -> Monarchy DIP -> Monarchy Super DIP -> Monarchy 18b -> AES 845 monos -> Sonus Faber Concertos / Audio Physic Sparks Thecus N5200 -> SB3 -> Russound CAV6.6 and CAM6.6 -> whole house audio twylie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=956 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82681 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] BBC R4 live not playing
Or perhaps not. How weird is this: the SB3 in the living room is playing R4 at this moment, using proxied streaming. It's been playing for 90+ mins, no problem. Just tried to join the programme on our SBR in the kitchen - nothing. Trying to play the stream in SMPlayer on the server causes mplayer to crash!! It's dying words... Playing mms://wmlive-acl.bbc.co.uk/wms/bbc_ami/radio4/radio4_bb_live_ep1_sl0?BBC-UID=446cebaf51fdcd5867aa84da11287d644310a8a910b00144843f19a6ef8e80a7&SSO2-UID=. STREAM_ASF, URL: mms://wmlive-acl.bbc.co.uk/wms/bbc_ami/radio4/radio4_bb_live_ep1_sl0?BBC-UID=446cebaf51fdcd5867aa84da11287d644310a8a910b00144843f19a6ef8e80a7&SSO2-UID= Resolving wmlive-acl.bbc.co.uk for AF_INET... Connecting to server wmlive-acl.bbc.co.uk[212.58.251.87]: 1755... Failed to connect to server with AF_INET Resolving wmlive-acl.bbc.co.uk for AF_INET... Connecting to server wmlive-acl.bbc.co.uk[212.58.251.87]: 80... Resolving wmlive-acl.bbc.co.uk for AF_INET... Connecting to server wmlive-acl.bbc.co.uk[212.58.251.87]: 80... Cache size set to 1000 KBytes Cache fill: 0.00% (0 bytes) Cache fill: 0.00% (0 bytes) Cache fill: 1.60% (16384 bytes) Cache fill: 1.60% (16384 bytes) Cache fill: 1.60% (16384 bytes) Cache fill: 3.20% (32768 bytes) Cache fill: 4.00% (40960 bytes) Cache fill: 4.00% (40960 bytes) If on the other hand I tune SMPlayer into mms://wmlive-acl.bbc.co.uk/wms/bbc_ami/radio4/radio4_bb_live_ep1_sl0?BBC-UID=446cebaf51fdcd5867aa84da11287d644310a8a910b00144843f19a6ef8e80a7&SSO2-UID=. that is, not using the .asx playlist, mplayer plays just fine (*). Anyone got any ideas? (*) I have not tried this address in SBS but assume it will work too. -- ovonrein ovonrein's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2130 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82771 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] ANNOUNCE: iPeng for iPad - Your Squeezebox Remote Gets Big
cvj;584094 Wrote: > Pippin - I gave 7.6 beta a try but in my case SBC did not find any > artwork (except artwork I had added to the "container" as "cover.jpg") > - even after a complete clear and scan of the database. > > So I reverted to the previous version. You might have to enable that artwork download feature manually in the server settings (through the web interface). -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82681 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] ANNOUNCE: iPeng for iPad - Your Squeezebox Remote Gets Big
twylie;584097 Wrote: > > One error I'm getting: > > If I hit the My Apps link I get the following message: > > "This player is already registered..." > Is that softsqueeze, Squeezeplay or some other software player? These don't work with the Apps. They don't work in the Web Interface either but the Web I/F will only tell you when you try to play something. If not, then for some reason MySB (which is providing the menus) _thinks_ it's a software player. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82681 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] ANNOUNCE: iPeng for iPad - Your Squeezebox Remote Gets Big
Looks great! Really excited to get home and use this around the house. One error I'm getting: If I hit the My Apps link I get the following message: "This player is already registered..." I get this on both versions of iPeng (iPad and iPhone), but not on the web interface. One odd thing I did see was if I log in through mysqueezebox.com, the player I'm having issue with is showing the external IP address for its MAC. any thoughts or things for me to check? TIA -- twylie Synology DS-1010+ -> transporter -> Krell KRC2 -> 4 x nuforce 8b -> Von Schweikert VR-4 Gen III Thecus N5200 -> SB3 -> Monarchy DIP -> Monarchy Super DIP -> Monarchy 18b -> AES 845 monos -> Sonus Faber Concertos / Audio Physic Sparks Thecus N5200 -> SB3 -> Russound CAV6.6 and CAM6.6 -> whole house audio twylie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=956 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82681 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] ANNOUNCE: iPeng for iPad - Your Squeezebox Remote Gets Big
pippin;583733 Wrote: > I would always recommend folder.jpg but it means you have to re-scan the > library to update the artwork. > I'd recommend giving 7.6 a try, it's just so much faster when handling > artwork. Pippin - I gave 7.6 beta a try but in my case SBC did not find any artwork (except artwork I had added to the "container" as "cover.jpg") - even after a complete clear and scan of the database. So I reverted to the previous version. -- cvj cvj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2979 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82681 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] ANNOUNCE: iPeng for iPad - Your Squeezebox Remote Gets Big
pippin;584089 Wrote: > > PietB;584085 Wrote: > > > > Have you probably also embedded the artwork in the files' tags?> > > > Checked with MP3tag and you are right, thanks ! -- PietB PietB's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39880 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82681 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] ANNOUNCE: iPeng for iPad - Your Squeezebox Remote Gets Big
PietB;584085 Wrote: > > Have you probably also embedded the artwork in the files' tags? -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82681 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] ANNOUNCE: iPeng for iPad - Your Squeezebox Remote Gets Big
So I made a few folder.jpg's size 768x768 and deleted the old 300x300. In SB server I used the option delete collection and a new scan for the collection. However still see the old artwork when playing, is it a directory I have to delete manually ? -- PietB PietB's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39880 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82681 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] BBC R4 live not playing
Oops, yes I have - good spot. -- ovonrein ovonrein's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2130 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82771 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] ANNOUNCE: iPeng for iPad - Your Squeezebox Remote Gets Big
Just a quick post to add my thanks for a splendid app. I was expecting it to cost a bit more than the iPhone app, and I wouldn't have had a problem with that. I'm just not so keen when developers take that to the extremes seen here by PopCap: Plants vs. Zombies- £1.79 Plants vs. Zombies HD - £5.99 The interesting thing to consider, is that £5.99 is probably a reasonable price for such a great game. The human brain doesn't tend to consider things in such absolute terms though - we seem much happier with comparisons and "fairness" considerations... -- SadGamerGeek SadGamerGeek's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6145 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82681 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Beta: SqueezeConfig - UDAP Config tool for Android
flattermann;584064 Wrote: > If your player is "unconnected", it cannot be found/controlled by SBS or > MySB. > The only way is to send commands directly to the player. > I'm sorry, I don't understand this, must be I'm confused by terminology (if nothing else). Sorry to be a thick-head... If I have my player connected to SBS running on my laptop and I shut down the laptop, I can use my Duet controller to connect the player with MySB.com. Similarly, if I have the player connected to MySB.com, I can start up SBS and then, from within SBS or by the Duet controller, connect the player to SBS. >From what I understand, this functionality is not implemented in SqComm, that's fine, but are you saying that it can never be? (EDIT: Sorry, now I see, you say "until this is implemented in SqComm", ok fine, thanks). I'd really like to ditch the Duet controller, since it has loads of network problems. -- OppfinnarJocke // OppfinnarJocke SqueezeBox Duet, Controller FW 7.5.1 r9009, Player FW 65 I mainly use my Duet for Spotify via Triode's plugin, see http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79706 OppfinnarJocke's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22307 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76584 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announce: New Squeezeslave 0.9 Release available on sourceforge
Hi, Jonas K made a very good job an compiled SqueezeSlave for ARM-Processors. I've download the Version for ARM. As far as I know does this version only support oss. I've no experiences with oss and can't get it working an a SheevaPlug with debian. I know how to work with alsa but not with oss. Is there someone please to get me on the right way? Jonas K told me that he has a version for alsa two, where can I get this? Please help and you are my hero!:) The background is that I try to get SqueezeSlave working on a SheevaPlug with Debian Squeeze. Thx a lot, Greetings, Thomas -- truehl SBS 7.6.x on SqueezePlug, Squeezebox Duet Thecus N4100 pro NAS, My SqueezePlug Wiki: http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/SqueezePlug My Blog: http://squeezeplug.de/ My Downloads: http://squeezeplug.de//?page_id=2 Feel free to donate my SqueezePlug project: https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=3R2M49ARYWK6C, thanks a lot! truehl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34265 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=63966 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Beta: SqueezeConfig - UDAP Config tool for Android
OppfinnarJocke;584055 Wrote: > BTW, I'm curious... why can't SqComm manage the players in the same was > as the Duet controller can? SqComm can do everything else the > controller can, and better. Is this lack just an oversight, or is there > something inherent in the way the SB-system is implemented that prevents > it? Surely, MySB.com has a listing of all the players for each user, > not? So couldn't the necessary info be gotten from MySB.com? If your player is "unconnected", it cannot be found/controlled by SBS or MySB. The only way is to send commands directly to the player. Until this feature is implemented in SqueezeCommander, you can use SqueezeConfig for this. See http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=567126&postcount=10 on how to get it. Probably a restart of the player is enough: - Start SqueezeConfig - Long-Press on the Player - Select Reset -- flattermann Christian Home of 'SqueezeCommander' (http://www.squeezecommander.com) - The SqueezeBox Remote Control App for Android flattermann's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33169 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76584 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] SqueezeCommander 0.9 for Android
carib;583925 Wrote: > I just wanted to chime in and say I got the SqueezeCommander for my HTC > Aria this past weekend and it works great. I do like to know if > Favorites will be available on the next update or am I missing > something? Adding new favorites does not work yet, but I'll implement that in a future version. -- flattermann Christian Home of 'SqueezeCommander' (http://www.squeezecommander.com) - The SqueezeBox Remote Control App for Android flattermann's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33169 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69352 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] BBC R4 live not playing
Have you forgotten the -playlist option ? -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82771 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Beta: SqueezeConfig - UDAP Config tool for Android
OppfinnarJocke;584055 Wrote: > I am a little concerned about the requirements about "MUST be connected > to wired LAN", that flattermann wrote in the first post of this thread. > I won't ever have my player connected by wire, no way. > That only applies if you want to newly configure a player. SqueezeConfig connects to the player over the network so the player has to somehow be connected to the network before you can configure it. You can't send the WiFi password to a WiFi device thet's not on WiFi over WiFi,... you get the point. In your case, however, the player _is_ already connected to the network, it has just lost it's server so this will work. iPeng would show the player as "unconnected" in this situation and flattermann will maybe sometimes also add a feature like that to SqueezeCommander but right now it should definitely work with SqueezeConfig. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76584 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Beta: SqueezeConfig - UDAP Config tool for Android
pippin;584036 Wrote: > Yes, if it works on your device (see the comments above). > You could also have a look at the "SvrPowerControl" plugin which has an > option to automatically switch the player to MySB when the server is > shut down but I don't think it's of any help in the cases where you > forget to shut down the server using the plugin. OK, thanks, so it seems SqCfg will solve my problem, and I have a Froyo phone (but a HTC Desire though, so maybe, maybe not, will test) but I am a little concerned about the requirements about "MUST be connected to wired LAN", that flattermann wrote in the first post of this thread. I won't ever have my player connected by wire, no way. And no, SvrPowerControl is not for me. I always forget to do what I have to do (direct the player to MySB.com) before putting my SBS-laptop to sleep, so that app wouldn't help me. Thanks for the tip, though. -- OppfinnarJocke // OppfinnarJocke SqueezeBox Duet, Controller FW 7.5.1 r9009, Player FW 65 I mainly use my Duet for Spotify via Triode's plugin, see http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79706 OppfinnarJocke's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22307 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76584 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] BBC R4 live not playing
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/listen/live/r4.asx is not playing for me on any of my squeeze players (neither hard nor soft). It plays ok in WMP but NOT in mplayer. Here's some output from mplayer: Playing http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/listen/live/r4.asx. Resolving www.bbc.co.uk for AF_INET... Connecting to server www.bbc.co.uk[212.58.244.69]: 80... STREAM_ASF, URL: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/listen/live/r4.asx Resolving www.bbc.co.uk for AF_INET... Connecting to server www.bbc.co.uk[212.58.244.69]: 80... size_confirm mismatch!: 22611 28271 Error while parsing chunk header Failed, exiting. Resolving www.bbc.co.uk for AF_INET... Connecting to server www.bbc.co.uk[212.58.244.69]: 80... Cache size set to 1000 KBytes Cache fill: 0.00% (0 bytes) Cache fill: 0.64% (6593 bytes) Exiting... (End of file) ID_EXIT=EOF Anyone got any pointers how to fix this? Thank you. -- ovonrein ovonrein's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2130 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82771 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] ANNOUNCE: iPeng for iPad - Your Squeezebox Remote Gets Big
twylie;584048 Wrote: > I was pleasantly surprised to see you priced it the same as iPeng for > iPhone. I have become accustomed to iPad specific version of my > favorite app being priced 1.5-2.0x times the price for the small screen > versions. And I do to a certain degree understand that. Effort for graphics etc. is generally much, much higher on the big screen, people have already spent more on the device and - most importantly - the market is really much smaller. I was really surprised to see how different the market size for iPhone and iPad really is. That's not to complain, iPeng for iPad does really, really well, but with that number of sales, again, which is absolutely OK for such a niche product, I would not really have expected to climb up that high in the App Store charts and would not have for iPhone. I'd guesstimate that the number of apps sold (overall) on iPhone/iTouch is something like 10x the number of apps sold on iPad. Thinking about it this fits the published sales figures of the devices quite nicely, btw... -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82681 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] ANNOUNCE: iPeng for iPad - Your Squeezebox Remote Gets Big
Been off the forums for a few weeks and was excited to see this thread. Will purchase when I get into the office this morning. Screen shots look great and I appreciate your continued development of the apps. I was pleasantly surprised to see you priced it the same as iPeng for iPhone. I have become accustomed to iPad specific version of my favorite app being priced 1.5-2.0x times the price for the small screen versions. Again, thanks to you and the other Squeeze-centric developers. For the iPhone versions, I went on a shopping spree, purchasing all the various control apps and wasn't out any more money than one of my old weekly trips to the music store. -- twylie Synology DS-1010+ -> transporter -> Krell KRC2 -> 4 x nuforce 8b -> Von Schweikert VR-4 Gen III Thecus N5200 -> SB3 -> Monarchy DIP -> Monarchy Super DIP -> Monarchy 18b -> AES 845 monos -> Sonus Faber Concertos / Audio Physic Sparks Thecus N5200 -> SB3 -> Russound CAV6.6 and CAM6.6 -> whole house audio twylie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=956 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82681 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Hail Mary time for Logitech with its Google TV?
JonWill;584043 Wrote: > As someone who comissions software this is just not the case - Pippin > will have put in far more work that he would have done and for far less > than if he was contracting/ employed for the simple reason that its > usccess matters to him more - he owns the IP, he has a stake in the > success of future versions, and (don't get me wrong, Pippin, this is a > compliment) he seems to have an obsessive desire to make his own (and > therefore our) SB experience as good as possible. > > If this was contracted out, Logitech would be charged for all the > udpates/ bug fixes/ feature enhancements. There would be Project > Mangament, software licences and a profit margin on the costs. And it > would never be as flexible to user demands. > Bingo. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82366 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Hail Mary time for Logitech with its Google TV?
MrSinatra;584039 Wrote: > > does exxon say "we'd love to open a gas station on that corner, but > we're not even going to try to, since chevron is already there (selling > our gas)." > Well, actually there is a LOT of that kind of thinking in big corporations. I bet exxon does evaluate exactly that question for each new station they take under contract (they don't open them themselves in the US, too, don't they?). BTW, just as an excerpt, exxon stations don't sell exxon gas, actually all stations sell the same gas. Seriously, they may add some "additives" at the station itself or the trailer but the gas comes from the same refineries for all of them. Get some knowledge about how business works before making bold statements. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82366 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Hail Mary time for Logitech with its Google TV?
MrSinatra;584037 Wrote: > logitech could have supplied all the source code to a contractor and > just set a price. they could have had something early, and on ALL the > devices out there, (iwhatever, android, etc) and if they had been > first, they could have charged for major updates or whatnot. As someone who comissions software this is just not the case - Pippin will have put in far more work that he would have done and for far less than if he was contracting/ employed for the simple reason that its usccess matters to him more - he owns the IP, he has a stake in the success of future versions, and (don't get me wrong, Pippin, this is a compliment) he seems to have an obsessive desire to make his own (and therefore our) SB experience as good as possible. If this was contracted out, Logitech would be charged for all the udpates/ bug fixes/ feature enhancements. There would be Project Mangament, software licences and a profit margin on the costs. And it would never be as flexible to user demands. Bit off the discussion here, but thought I'd add my thoughts ... -- JonWill Main system: SB Classic, Musical Fidlity A1, Mission 733i speakers SB Classic into old JVC microsystem (next thing on list to upgrade!) SB Boom, Logitech Z4 subwoofer SB Radio SB Server 7.5.1 (SSODS4) running on a Synology DS210J NAS iPeng on iPhone 3GS JonWill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20259 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82366 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Hail Mary time for Logitech with its Google TV?
MrSinatra;584037 Wrote: > totally disagree. what were your costs in making ipeng? include your > own time. anything near that? > If I include my own time? Definitely! If I unclude it at the rate at which I could have marketed that time as an iPhone developer? Much more than what I quoted above. At market prices ($150/h) iPeng development so far would have cost definitely >1 mil$. As opposed to you I _know_ what I'm talking about here, I'm in that business and I've been in the hardware business for quite a while, too. > logitech could have supplied all the source code to a contractor and > just set a price. they could have had something early, and on ALL the > devices out there, (iwhatever, android, etc) and if they had been > first, they could have charged for major updates or whatnot. > My price was for one app. The Logitech source code is worthless for that environment, trust me, I've been trying to port SqueezePlay Audio for long enough to know. Add the same bill I mentioned above for any other platform you want to support besides iPhone. For cheap, they could have something that sucks and hurts their HW sales. You can't charge for updates on the App Store. > > kudos to you of course, i thin ipeng is great, but from logitech's POV > imo it makes no sense to not even attempt to enter the space, esp given > they have SP. surely they could still at least get into android, and > work from there? > Again, SP is worth nothing in this environment. Half of the code in there has license restrictions they won't get around either and the other half is LUA. OK, it's exaggerated on the license side but still enough to make a complete re-write necessary. > > and if everyone develops the app and gives it away for free, then by > that logic logitech should develop a iOS app and give it away for free > too! > Not if it sucks and hurts their HW sales. Read SB reviews. They are full of "It's nice, but if you really want it usable you need 3rd party apps like iPeng". If that read "It's nice but the App they are giving away with it sucks" what do you think how much they would sell. > > profits are profits. its not about margins or total dollars, its > basically ONLY a question of will this, in some way, make money for > us? > Cough, cough... Have you EVER worked for a big American company that does manufacturing? I have and the main metric they work for is R/E (revenue per engineering man year) And success in corporate environments is not measured in dollars earned but in deliverables delivered with your team, your budget and your headcount. This is what determines your salary. And no, of course I don't say this is how it _should_ be. But it is. Everywhere. > > what makes the LEAST amount of sense to me is logitech doing NOTHING, > and allowing someone else to leverage their SBS development costs into > profits they see none of. (and no one would get ipeng who didn't first > already have the HW, so it basically doesn't help there much either) > You are wrong again. 1. Read the reviews I mentioned above. 2. I know of a significant share of my customers who buy the Squeezebox HW exactly because they look for something they can control well with their iThingy. > > i disagree that that HAS to be the case. there may not be any current > good examples, but that just means the opportunity for logitech > exists. > Well, as I said, let's revisit this in 15 years. I believe the problem is the distance you have to the TC screen which makes reading too hard (wrong eye focus) which in turn means you can only use big, iconized UIs. You can not touch it so you are lacking the immediate feedback you've got on an iPad. And no, making it bigger doesn't help with any of that. Not at all. > > i would lov my SB to power visualizations on the TV, and show info on > it, great for parties. > That's what I said. How much would you pay for that? > > consider how good some music apps can be on computers which have > displays obviously. the idea is to port that exp to the TV. > Yep. And that idea is wrong. You are sitting in front of your computer when you use it and you've got a keyboard. Just try to use a computer with a _huge_ screen 5 meters away. Headache after half an hour, I promise you! > > my response would be that there is a video market, and it dwarfs the > audio market, > Do you have figures for that? I doubt it. You have to count iPods etc. in on the audio side. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82366 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Hail Mary time for Logitech with its Google TV?
Goodsounds;584031 Wrote: > As an American, I find this comment completely bizarre. > > Sorry. You should give it a rest. whats bizarre about it? give what a rest? don't take it out of context. here is what erland said: > 2. SP ported to iOS by Logitech would suck if you compare it to iPeng. > I'm sorry to say this but I really believe currently Logitech doesn't > have the graphical/user interface designers to compete with iPeng, so I > think it's the right choice to not try at all. They should instead focus > on advertising the available third party solutions since they will also > make Logitech sell more hardware. america is a capitalistic country, that promotes innovation and competition and entrepreneurialism, and thus confidence in your own ability to compete and win. does exxon say "we'd love to open a gas station on that corner, but we're not even going to try to, since chevron is already there (selling our gas)." ??? does microsoft not try to do zune even tho ipods exist? sure they lost that one, but they still TRY, and their xbox has done well, inspite of pre-existing nintendo and sony consoles, right? sorry, erlands view is fatalism, its the view of a pessimist, and it should not be logitechs view EVEN IF erland is right about logitech (which i agree he probably is), b/c that view is deeply unamerican, imo. not bizarre to say so either. and anyway, i was saying logitech should have been first to the market to begin with. my whole beef is that i think they knew they could do this, and have been first, but they decided to cede it, which to me, is crazy. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 & sbc (my home) / sbrec & ipeng (parent's home) - sbs 7.5.2b - win xp pro sp3 ie8 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 45k+ mp3 MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82366 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Hail Mary time for Logitech with its Google TV?
pippin;584029 Wrote: > @Erland > I believe they will try to do 3 and you will be surprised: I believe > the current architecture is a perfect fit for that. > You have to not think along the home server lines for this. Customers > for these devices don't care about their music at home they care about > online sources first. Does AppleTV still have an HD? > And with the MySB architecture they are actually better capable of > integrating stuff on the backend side into the current architecture > than anybody else in the market right now. > THAT'S the real asset in here. I only wish they would make even better > use of this, not marketing these devices towards mobile users is so > darn ridiculous. i agree with this completely. and the stuff at home could be made available online via a small utility that "publishes" it to the users mysb.com account. so no SBS needed, just a small app to make those tunes available to the user via the website. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 & sbc (my home) / sbrec & ipeng (parent's home) - sbs 7.5.2b - win xp pro sp3 ie8 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 45k+ mp3 MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82366 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Hail Mary time for Logitech with its Google TV?
pippin;584028 Wrote: > While I agree with a lot of what you are saying especially the vision > thing there are a few things where you are IMHO clearly wrong: > > 1. I think you either overestimate the App market or don't understand > Logitech's business. There is no money for Logitech in there at all. > While this is pretty good for a single developer like me who sometimes > hires a few freelancers, with the cost structure of a company like > Logitech you will come out at zero at best. Developing an App like > iPeng in such an environment, with similar performance will cost you > between $250.000 to $500.000 in a corporate environment (2 developers, > a UI designer, a graphics designer, translators) plus customer support. > Plus marketing, maybe another $500.. totally disagree. what were your costs in making ipeng? include your own time. anything near that? logitech could have supplied all the source code to a contractor and just set a price. they could have had something early, and on ALL the devices out there, (iwhatever, android, etc) and if they had been first, they could have charged for major updates or whatnot. and as i said to erland, if they dropped the displays from the base products, that would make sales of these apps more likely. they could even add it to the price of displayless HW and then offer a "rebate" for it once purchased at the app store. logitech can't sell the SBC now except to a very niche market while at the same time isn't even trying to enter the space you're capitalizing on. kudos to you of course, i thin ipeng is great, but from logitech's POV imo it makes no sense to not even attempt to enter the space, esp given they have SP. surely they could still at least get into android, and work from there? pippin;584028 Wrote: > Logitech would obviously reach many more customers but even if they are > really good and sell ten or 20 or 100 times more than iPeng (the latter > would definitely require them to lower the price) this is no money for a > company like Logitech. > They want to manufacture and manufacturing companies make money by > selling hardware. So the logical way to do things would be to give the > App away for free and make more money on the HW. Sonos does that, Apple > does that. but thats dopey of them if true. think about how expensive developing SBS is, but you're not going to attempt to monitize it? i think Touch is an attempt to do that, however poor. and regardless of if you believe the SP should be ported, it simply doesn't make sense to not even attempt to enter the portable device market, yet try to sell the SBC. and if everyone develops the app and gives it away for free, then by that logic logitech should develop a iOS app and give it away for free too! pippin;584028 Wrote: > People often talk about how much money Apple makes with the App Store > and I tell you: they don't do that and they don't try. It's an enabled > for them and they don't want to lose money on it but they don't really > care about making a lot. Look at Apple's balance sheet and you'll see > that App Store / iTunes profits (they only report them combined) are > totally dwarfed by HW sales. profits are profits. its not about margins or total dollars, its basically ONLY a question of will this, in some way, make money for us? so logitech could have done it and sold the app, and made money on it that way, OR they could give it away for free, and hope that spurs HW sales, and make money that way. what makes the LEAST amount of sense to me is logitech doing NOTHING, and allowing someone else to leverage their SBS development costs into profits they see none of. (and no one would get ipeng who didn't first already have the HW, so it basically doesn't help there much either) pippin;584028 Wrote: > 2. I don't believe people want to use a TV to control their music > because a TV is a bad UI for that. Not due to bad implementation but > principally. i disagree that that HAS to be the case. there may not be any current good examples, but that just means the opportunity for logitech exists. pippin;584028 Wrote: > People today _believe_ they want that because it's what you can buy > because the AV manufacturers do video players and then add some audio > because it's in there anyway, but it sucks and always will. i would lov my SB to power visualizations on the TV, and show info on it, great for parties. consider how good some music apps can be on computers which have displays obviously. the idea is to port that exp to the TV. pippin;584028 Wrote: > People also will never, never seriously use the TV for Internet > browsing. Read my words and remember them in 15 years. i will. google TV or something eventually will prove you wrong. pippin;584028 Wrote: > Visu on a TV, OK, that's cool but how much money is in there for that? > There is no A/V market, the use cases are too different, there is an > audio market and a video market and the only reason they are of
Re: [slim] Beta: SqueezeConfig - UDAP Config tool for Android
OppfinnarJocke;584035 Wrote: > I posted this question > http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=583947&postcount=202 in > the SqComm thread, and got directions to check out SqueezeConfig. Now > I've checked this thread and I'm lost, wondering if SqCfg will do what > I need or if there was some misunderstanding... > > My problem is when my Duet player is connected tho SBS and SBS is shut > down, then I have to use my Duet controller to get the player connected > to MySB.com. It seems SqComm cannot perform this task of connecting the > player to MySB.com. Will SqCfg be able to do this for me? Yes, if it works on your device (see the comments above). You could also have a look at the "SvrPowerControl" plugin which has an option to automatically switch the player to MySB when the server is shut down but I don't think it's of any help in the cases where you forget to shut down the server using the plugin. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76584 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Hail Mary time for Logitech with its Google TV?
MrSinatra;584032 Wrote: > they are just flopping around, lost, no vision. As of my experience, this is always the case with big companies that are focused around processes (manufacturing, marketing, sales) and not around a product vision, I've seen this a lot. You can only do innovative products from a product vision; if you are in the "efficient" market you have to be a follower. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82366 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Beta: SqueezeConfig - UDAP Config tool for Android
I posted this question http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=583947&postcount=202 in the SqComm thread, and got directions to check out SqueezeConfig. Now I've checked this thread and I'm lost, wondering if SqCfg will do what I need or if there was some misunderstanding... My problem is when my Duet player is connected tho SBS and SBS is shut down, then I have to use my Duet controller to get the player connected to MySB.com. It seems SqComm cannot perform this task of connecting the player to MySB.com. Will SqCfg be able to do this for me? -- OppfinnarJocke // OppfinnarJocke SqueezeBox Duet, Controller FW 7.5.1 r9009, Player FW 65 I mainly use my Duet for Spotify via Triode's plugin, see http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79706 OppfinnarJocke's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22307 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76584 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Hail Mary time for Logitech with its Google TV?
erland;584027 Wrote: > This all sounds good, the problem is to have an architecture that > supports all these and still be able to set a low price on it. The > combo (point 3) is especially problematic as it needs the display of 1 > and the CPU/memory power of 2. i disagree that the combo product NEEDS the display. what i have been trying to say is NONE of my 3 product suggestions, for a base model unit, needs a display or a remote, or anything like that. just a solid box with HQ audio/video outputs, and enough CPU power to not be slow. i think you have missed me saying that. base unit = no expensive displays, no remotes, etc... how could they do that? by making the box get an IP via DHCP and be webui accessible, and by having their own branded remote apps. once upon a time you didn't need a SBC to setup a SBRec, SP could do it. i think they could do such a product for $199 easy. erland;584027 Wrote: > I believe they need to choose. Either they focus on the player and > server as separate products or they focus on the combo product. why? why couldn't they do all three? it seems to me they have all 3 now, but just done badly, but not done badly simply b/c they have all 3, but for other reasons. erland;584027 Wrote: > The Touch is proof of that a decently priced combo product with the > current architecture results in a combo product with to slow > CPU/memory. The problem is that if the Touch would have better hardware > and priced at $399 it would have got too expensive for the mass market. > Even $299 is too high for the mass market since they don't understand > the needs for the advanced features it offers. i think like you said earlier, you could combine similar hardware of a sheevaplug with the SBRec, and get the $199 combo product. ditch the stupid touchscreen, who sits right next to their stereo anyway? erland;584027 Wrote: > Remember that Logitech is a hardware company that earns its money on the > hardware, not the software. If they had an iOS app they could maybe sell > it for $5 if it was really good. What do you think they earn on a single > sold Squeezebox ? I bet it's a lot more than $5. pippin sells his app for $10 or so, and if you can monitize SBS into a server product, as you seem to agree they can/should, you could do the same with SP, as the SBC tried to do, but on a much BIGGER market. if you have the intellectual property, you should try to get money for it! they developed it anyway, why wouldn't you try to market it onto these other devices when you know if you don't, others will? why cede it? the margins may not be as big as your hardware, but i would guess the overall potential is a lot bigger than actual SBC sales. erland;584027 Wrote: > What I'm trying to say is that since they won't make much money on a > iPad/iPhone/iPod Touch software, again, maybe not per unit, (the margin), but who is to say what the potential is, especially if you sold a displayless HW AV product? remeber, i am saying they should do all this together. erland;584027 Wrote: > they could just spend this money marketing the already available third > party solutions. This way they would get the benefits through more sold > Squeezeboxes without having to do an investment in porting SP to iOS. port SP or do an app from scratch, but to me, it is insane they have left this to others, while developing SBC, touch, etc... the game of business isn't the margin alone, its overall profit. smaller margins are good as long as the raw numbers are big enough. in other words, a smaller margin product can ultimately provide more total dollars. erland;584027 Wrote: > It's not about giving up, it's about selecting the path that makes it > easiest to increase the hardware sells and the path that makes your > products look as good as possible. Marketing the existing iOS apps > feels a lot easier than trying to port SP in this regard. we disagree. first of all logitech should have been first to market. but even if they aren't, they should still attempt it imo. erland;584027 Wrote: > I believe they have tried to hire him, fortunately they didn't succeed. > I'm 100% sure iPeng wouldn't have been what it is today if it was > controlled by Logitech. thats prob true, but don't conflate the issue. just b/c logitech is screwed up doesn't invalidate my point. i am talking about "what should be" not "what currently is." erland;584027 Wrote: > They also had a user interface designer for a while which they managed > to loose when they decreased the resources in the Squeezebox team to > bare minimum. > > Anyway, I'm not sure there is any point discussing all this because > it's not like anyone from Logitech management reads these posts. no, but i enjoy the mental exercise of it. who knows, maybe someone will take all this opensource stuff and make their own product based on these ideas. erland;584027 Wrote: > It's a delicate situation because Logitech have the choice to: > 1. Compete with est
Re: [slim] Hail Mary time for Logitech with its Google TV?
MrSinatra;584019 Wrote: > > sorry, but as an american, that offends my way of thinking. thats pure > fatalism. in america, we don't normally cede ANYTHING to our > competitors. we fight. we may not win, but we try. > As an American, I find this comment completely bizarre. Sorry. You should give it a rest. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82366 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
