Re: [slim] Radio stations
bpa wrote: > > > I think consolidating info from a number of different sources could > result in many duplicates as returned station names or URLs for the same > station may not be entered exactly the same (e.g. Irish national > broadcaster RTE vs RTÉ ) If I might chime in with some thoughts~ I would envision a solution where "radio" is just a location for the plugin/services to reside - tune in, radio.net, Paul's Radio Now playing, etc. Then a general search would cover all services, but instead of returning a full list possibly with duplicate, would return - Tune In(60) Radio.net (10), etc. The user could then drill down.. The other thing to keep in mind, while many are discovering LMS, most of "us" are experienced users. (To me) it seems like "Radio" was targeted to the "I bought a sb radio, plugged it in, lets listen to the internet". If you are to change "radio" I would think it makes sense to target power over convenience for functionality. Remember, allot of the wonderful powerful plugin and functions of LMS are not "plug and play" for those new to LMS (example DSTM, You Tube plugin, etc). If a new user wants plug and play they choose sonos these days. my 2 cents to stimulate thoughts, or, just dismiss it as another rambling ;) Jim Redrum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116094 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations
mherger wrote: > Anybody ever looked into https://www.radio-browser.info/ > (https://api.radio-browser.info/)? I looked at it a few years ago and then I found the tagging to be very uneven and some categories to be very patchy. It may have improved in the meantime. I think consolidating info from a number of different sources could result in many duplicates as returned station names or URLs for the same station may not be entered exactly the same (e.g. Irish national broadcaster RTE vs RTÉ ) bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116094 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations
mherger wrote: > > This is why I suggested a few months ago that It would help if LMS > > allowed more than one provider of radio stations search/browse > function. > > I never thought of fully replacing the Radio menu implementation. But it > > could actually make sense. Would you imagine an all different menu, or > rather a search processing multiple sources? My thought was a set of (enable/disable) sources ... each searched ... with results sorted across all. Plus ... ability to filter on radio station / (podcast / on-demand). Here is one thread that I started on it in 2020 https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?112939-TuneIn-and-removal-of-non-UK-stations-for-UK-listeners Paul Webster author of \"now playing\" plugins covering radio france (fip etc), planetradio (bauer - kiss, absolute, scala, jazzfm etc), kcrw, abc australia and cbc/radio-canada and, via the extra \"radio now playing\" plugin lots more - see https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?115201-announce-radio-now-playing-plugin Paul Webster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=105 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116094 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations
mherger wrote: > Anybody ever looked into https://www.radio-browser.info/ > (https://api.radio-browser.info/)? That looks like a very interesting resource indeed ... SixedUp's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13452 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116094 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations
I've just disabled the default "Radio" plugin and enabled bpa's "Radio.Net" plugin instead. Countries -> All -> France results in over 60 pages of radio stations, which is much more like what I was expecting. At the moment I'm getting used to the change of interface, but my initial feeling is that I'm going to miss the original "Radio" plugin's additional region/city selector - it gave less intimidating lists of stations! But overall, I'm just really happy to see international radio stations again :) Paul Webster wrote: > This is why I suggested a few months ago that It would help if LMS > allowed more than one provider of radio stations search/browse function. If you mean allow Radio.Net, TuneIn (and others) to all feed a common "Radio" plugin, that would be a nice solution. If done well it would turn our LMS instances into feed aggregators. The wrinkle is likely to be whether there is enough common metadata in all the feed providers to allow a usable common UI. For example, the region/city "field" that TuneIn used to further filter in-country browsing may not be available in Radio.Net etc. SixedUp's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13452 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116094 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations
Anybody ever looked into https://www.radio-browser.info/ (https://api.radio-browser.info/)? ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations
This is why I suggested a few months ago that It would help if LMS allowed more than one provider of radio stations search/browse function. I never thought of fully replacing the Radio menu implementation. But it could actually make sense. Would you imagine an all different menu, or rather a search processing multiple sources? ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations
Since it is the MySqueezebox server (which in the past weren't in the UK) that makes the requests to Tune-in - I wonder how does Tune-in know the user is in the UK ? Most services require/accept the "x-forwarded-for" header (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Forwarded-For) to know about the actual client's IP address. MySB/EU is still hosted in Ireland. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations
Didn't think it was as bad as not even showing "France". Since it is the MySqueezebox server (which in the past weren't in the UK) that makes the requests to Tune-in - I wonder how does Tune-in know the user is in the UK ? bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116094 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations
This is why I suggested a few months ago that It would help if LMS allowed more than one provider of radio stations search/browse function. Paul Webster author of \"now playing\" plugins covering radio france (fip etc), planetradio (bauer - kiss, absolute, scala, jazzfm etc), kcrw, abc australia and cbc/radio-canada and, via the extra \"radio now playing\" plugin lots more - see https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?115201-announce-radio-now-playing-plugin Paul Webster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=105 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116094 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations
bpa wrote: > Something wrong in your setup. > I just checked Radio Menu>World>Europe>France - I then get 69 cities - > each of which have many entries.(e.g. Paris has 99 entries) > > Are you signed into mysqueezebox.com ?You aren't in the UK though. I don't > see France. TuneIn is not worth using here Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116094 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations
SixedUp wrote: > I did. No option to select "France", unfortunately. Its as though there > are no stations being reported for France. But, it seems it may be that > as I'm in the UK, its just that TuneIn are not supplying that data > anymore; keep reading! > Something wrong in your setup. I just checked Radio Menu>World>Europe>France - I then get 69 cities - each of which have many entries. Are you signed into mysqueezebox.com ? bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116094 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations
Thanks everyone - I think you have identified the problem, and some solutions for me to try: mherger wrote: > How are you navigating? Would searching by name find French speaking > stations (eg. "couleur 3")? What country are you living in? It doesn't seem to make any difference. It's as though there are only a handful of stations there. I'm in the UK, which seems to be significant; see lower down :) bpa wrote: > The Radio plugin is an interface to the Tune-in service which is a > commercial service and not something run by Logitech. It is fully > maintained but Tune-in may be losing out to other directory sites. The > content on a internet directory is driven by commercial reason(i.e. ad > revenues) and some degree of exclusivity (i.e.some stations may only > appear on one directory/aggregator site). Did you check out the menu "By > Location/Europe/France " > I did. No option to select "France", unfortunately. Its as though there are no stations being reported for France. But, it seems it may be that as I'm in the UK, its just that TuneIn are not supplying that data anymore; keep reading! > > For French station why not add the 3rd party RadioFrance plugin. > > Another alternative, you could install the 3rd party Radio.net plugin > and then do a select country "France" or whatever Francophone country > (e.g. Algeria) . If you want to choose at random - change Radio.net > settings to French and the offered selection has a slightly more French > mix. I think these are going to be my best options. I would rather avoid too many plugins and menu complexity, but it may just be the price I have to pay. I'll disable the TuneIn-based radio plugin and try these instead :) Paul Webster wrote: > If you are in UK then this could explain your problems ... TuneIn has > significantly reduced the number of stations that they make available to > UK listeners following a court case. > bpa's RadioNet plugin will give you thousands of stations from around > the world. I think this is the culprit. I'm based in Southampton in the UK, so probably subject to this. It likely explains the almost complete lack of any non-UK streams in the Radio plugin. Will try Radio.Net next :) Cheers Richard SixedUp's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13452 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116094 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations
If you are in UK then this could explain your problems ... TuneIn has significantly reduced the number of stations that they make available to UK listeners following a court case. bpa's RadioNet plugin will give you thousands of stations from around the world. Paul Webster author of \"now playing\" plugins covering radio france (fip etc), planetradio (bauer - kiss, absolute, scala, jazzfm etc), kcrw, abc australia and cbc/radio-canada and, via the extra \"radio now playing\" plugin lots more - see https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?115201-announce-radio-now-playing-plugin Paul Webster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=105 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116094 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations
SixedUp wrote: > I've not used the radio plugin in a long time, but I'm currently > learning French, and I remembered that it used to provide a huge number > of radio stations from all over the world. But when I looked today there > was almost nothing; just a handful of stations in 3 or 4 English > speaking countries. Since that "radio" plugin was originally provided by > Logitech, I'm guessing that the data sources are no longer being > maintained and have faded away with time. > > So what are the options to obtain a good selection of radio feeds both > here in the UK, and from around the rest of the world? It would be nice > to be able to filter by location, genre, and language if possible. The Radio plugin is an interface to the Tune-in service which is a commercial service and not something run by Logitech. It is fully maintained but Tune-in may be losing out to other directory sites. The content on a internet directory is driven by commercial reason(i.e. ad revenues) and some degree of exclusivity (i.e.some stations may only appear on one directory/aggregator site). For French station why not add the 3rd party RadioFrance plugin. Another alternative, you could install the 3rd party Radio.net plugin and then do a select country "France" or whatever Francophone country (e.g. Algeria) . If you want to choose at random - change Radio.net settings to French and the offered selection has a slightly more French mix. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116094 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations
How are you navigating? Would searching by name find French speaking stations (eg. "couleur 3")? What country are you living in? ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Radio stations
I've not used the radio plugin in a long time, but I'm currently learning French, and I remembered that it used to provide a huge number of radio stations from all over the world. But when I looked today there was almost nothing; just a handful of stations in 3 or 4 English speaking countries. Since that "radio" plugin was originally provided by Logitech, I'm guessing that the data sources are no longer being maintained and have faded away with time. So what are the options to obtain a good selection of radio feeds both here in the UK, and from around the rest of the world? It would be nice to be able to filter by location, genre, and language if possible. Thanks, Richard SixedUp's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13452 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=116094 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
verycd wrote: > Thanks. Posted on third-party software.It isn't third party software though. > It is more likely to be LMS. Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
slartibartfast wrote: > I would start a new thread. > I have seen similar but mostly when playing a playlist containing local > tracks mixed with Spotify tracks. If my hard drive sleeps during a > Spotify track then generally the following track shows the artwork and > track info of the previous track. I have seen it happen when leaving a > random mix of local tracks running for a long time but this seems more > random. Shuffle was turned off. Your case seems to be different though. > > Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk Thanks. Posted on third-party software. verycd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
verycd wrote: > I have to repost this question. Please let me know if I should start a > new thread somewhere else to get attention from some developers. The LMS > material skin app and my Touch player display the information and cover > art of the previous track, not the current one. I did a few experiements > and found it happens when shuffle is turned on and right after the first > song, which means after the first song finishes, the display repeats the > same info and art work again and then proceed to the second track when > the third one is already playing. THe problem is always there regardless > the playlist consists of just one album (folder) or multiple albums > (folder with subfolders). If shuffle is unchecked, the display repeats > the second track and then proceed the third while the fourth is playing. > Obviously tracks are not of the same length, the display either skips > the extra time or stops at the end and waits. Very intelligent.I would start > a new thread. I have seen similar but mostly when playing a playlist containing local tracks mixed with Spotify tracks. If my hard drive sleeps during a Spotify track then generally the following track shows the artwork and track info of the previous track. I have seen it happen when leaving a random mix of local tracks running for a long time but this seems more random. Shuffle was turned off. Your case seems to be different though. Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
I have to repost this question. Please let me know if I should start a new thread somewhere else to get attention from some developers. The LMS material skin app and my Touch player display the information and cover art of the previous track, not the current one. I did a few experiements and found it happens when shuffle is turned on and right after the first song, which means after the first song finishes, the display repeats the same info and art work again and then proceed to the second track when the third one is already playing. THe problem is always there regardless the playlist consists of just one album (folder) or multiple albums (folder with subfolders). If shuffle is unchecked, the display will show the info of the current track. verycd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
verycd wrote: > Oh I see. I saw one rarely-used 3B+ called 'Abox' > (https://the-gadgeteer.com/2018/10/05/abox-raspberry-pi-3b-starter-kit-review/) > (16G version) for 50 CAD online, not cheap. The RAM size is small for > scanning large library. One need to download on another machine and > transfer music to the harddrive if it is not practical to install other > software and keep the HHD attached to the same 3B+ and do the > downloading. I was just offering my observations of a 3b+ (1GB) and 4 (2GB). I don't notice the difference, but because I don't pay attention, probably because a 3b+ has worked fine for me. I just checked and I have about 16,000 tracks, 1,300 albums in my library. The last rescan (update, not wipe and rescan) took about 7 minutes. My server is a pi 3b+ with a 2TB USB HDD (not solid state). I have it setup with the LMS data and cache on a third partition on the SD card (helps in recovery from power failures). Explaining a bit more (since you are new to picore). I have my library "master" on my PC's. I use SAMBA on picore (allows access to the pi HDD) and freefilesync (free PC software) to sync my library on the PC to the Pi HDD. So, I rip an new album to the PC, fix the tags, run ffs, then rescan. One nice benefit is I also use Samba/ffs to backup my critical PC files (photos, documents, etc) to the pi HDD. I also have a cabin with an identical setup, so I have "off site" backup/redundancy. All of that for $100 (pi and HDD) per location - thank you pcp team and this community!! :D Back to your post. I don't know the mechanisms of a scan (maybe someone in the know can explain), but i image that scan data is paged back and forth between the RAM and SD (cache). Could this be a dynamic page size (based on available RAM) and occur faster with more RAM? I don't know. Like I said, it doesn't matter how long a scan takes for me. I'm not 100% clear on what you are trying to do, what you are building, perhaps you could clarify. Post your goal here and we will help you get there Finally, $50 CAD is about $40 USD, sounds like a nice deal! I'd buy it :) Jim Redrum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
slartibartfast wrote: > You don't need to worry about the player specific settings when using > Material Skin, just make sure settings/interface/My Music is correct. > > Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk Not sure what I did wrong but the music folder disappeared again. Just set it in settings>interface>my music. Hope it will remain. Right now it is there after closing the app and restarting. verycd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
Redrum wrote: > Maybe my response was a bit misleading. I mentioned that I am no pi > hardware expert, and my comments were based largely on reading the heat > aspect of the 4 vs 3b+ discussed in the forum -> good case, or heat sink > it, not an issue. > > My observation is not scientific at all. I used to have a 3b+ sitting on > my desk, now I have a 4. I stick my hand on the case, no noticeable > difference (but I am not A/B ing them :) > > I have 4 pi systems I put together, 2 for me, 2 for friends - 3x 3b+ > w/1GB, 1x 4 w/2GB > > But these pi's rum only LMS and I don't pay any attention to them, I > only rescan when I get a new CD or download, etc. > > unless the 3B+ get cheaper, you find a deal, etc. Right now there is > about $10USD difference between the 3B+ 1GB, and 4 2GB. I will not buy > any 3B+ unless I find a deal, used, etc.> > > Jim Oh I see. I saw one rarely-used 3B+ called 'Abox' (https://the-gadgeteer.com/2018/10/05/abox-raspberry-pi-3b-starter-kit-review/) (16G version) for 50 CAD online. Yeah, the RAM size is small for scanning. verycd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
verycd wrote: > You mentioned there was no noticeable difference in heat and performance > between Pi3B+ and Pi4. Do the two units of yours have the same amount of > RAM? I assume that may affect performance somehow? What is the optimal > amount of RAM needed for LMS? Maybe my response was a bit misleading. I mentioned that I am no pi hardware expert, and my comments were based largely on reading the heat aspect of the 4 vs 3b+ discussed in the forum -> good case, or heat sink it, not an issue. My observation is not scientific at all. I used to have a 3b+ sitting on my desk, now I have a 4. I stick my hand on the case, no noticeable difference (but I am not A/B ing them :) I have 4 pi systems I put together, 2 for me, 2 for friends - 3x 3b+ w/1GB, 1x 4 w/2GB But these pi's rum only LMS and I don't pay any attention to them, I only rescan when I get a new CD or download, etc. Jim Redrum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
verycd wrote: > I will make sure I go to each player and set it. Just wondering if it is > more useful to make browse modes library-specific rather than > player-specific.You don't need to worry about the player specific settings > when using Material Skin, just make sure settings/interface/My Music is correct. Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
cpd73 wrote: > Yes, and no. It ignores the selection of which modes are enabled - as > these are per-player, and Material covers all players. But, any new > modes added, or modes removed, will be reflected in Material's > selection. > > (This is one of my pet hates about other control points - that when you > change player, the list of browse modes changes. I've had it where in > SqueezeCtrl I browsed to the album I wanted to play, realised I was on > the wrong player, switched player, and SqueezeCtrl went back to its home > screen.) > > > > Yes, Material saves settings when dialogs are closed. I will make sure I go to each player and set it. Just wondering if it is more useful to make browse modes library-specific rather than player-specific. verycd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
verycd wrote: > You mentioned there was no noticeable difference in heat and performance > between Pi3B+ and Pi4. Do the two units of yours have the same amount of > RAM? I assume that may affect performance somehow? What is the optimal > amount of RAM needed for LMS? A Pi4 with a decent case isn't a problem. Temperature graphs of my Pi4 (4GB ram) in a flirc case below, compared to a Pi3B+ in a metal case. No idea what the optimal amount of RAM needed for LMS is. I used a Pi3B+ or ages, but prefer the added speed of a Pi4. 35355 35356 +---+ |Filename: Pi4server.jpg| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=35356| +---+ *Server - LMS 8.2.0 *Pi4B 4GB/Argon one case/pCP 8.0.0 - 75K library, playlists & LMS cache on SSD (ntfs) *Study -* Pi4/pCP 8.0.0/Topping E30 DAC/Ruark MR1 Mk2 *Lounge* - Pi2/pCP 8.0.0 > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > AudioEngine DAC1 > AVI DM5 *Dining Room* - Pi3B/pCP/Bluetooth/Echo Show 8 *Garage* - DAC32 > Edifier speakers *Spares* - 2xTouch, 1xSB Radio. 1xSB3, 6xRPi kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
slartibartfast wrote: > I am pretty sure Material Skin ignores "Additional Browse Modes". Yes, and no. It ignores the selection of which modes are enabled - as these are per-player, and Material covers all players. But, any new modes added, or modes removed, will be reflected in Material's selection. (This is one of my pet hates about other control points - that when you change player, the list of browse modes changes. I've had it where in SqueezeCtrl I browsed to the album I wanted to play, realised I was on the wrong player, switched player, and SqueezeCtrl went back to its home screen.) slartibartfast wrote: > Under Settings/Interface clicking close to exit the list should save the > settings. Yes, Material saves settings when dialogs are closed. *Material debug:* 1. Launch via http: //SERVER:9000/material/?debug=json (Use http: //SERVER:9000/material/?debug=json,cometd to also see update messages, e.g. play queue) 2. Open browser's developer tools 3. Open console tab in developer tools 4. REQ/RESP messages sent to/from LMS will be logged here. cpd73's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66686 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
verycd wrote: > How come my LMS version is : 8.1.1 - 1610364019 while yours is 8.2.0? > The new Touch firmware I just got is 8.0.1r-16855. 8.0.1r-16855 is the latest Touch firmware regardless of LMS version. LMS 8.2 is the development branch. http://downloads.slimdevices.com/nightly/index.php?ver=8.2 . *Server - LMS 8.2.0 *Pi4B 4GB/Argon one case/pCP 8.0.0 - 75K library, playlists & LMS cache on SSD (ntfs) *Study -* Pi4/pCP 8.0.0/Topping E30 DAC/Ruark MR1 Mk2 *Lounge* - Pi2/pCP 8.0.0 > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > AudioEngine DAC1 > AVI DM5 *Dining Room* - Pi3B/pCP/Bluetooth/Echo Show 8 *Garage* - DAC32 > Edifier speakers *Spares* - 2xTouch, 1xSB Radio. 1xSB3, 6xRPi kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
kidstypike wrote: > Agree with Redrum, just browsing to "My Music" should get you connected > back to LMS. > > Regarding firmware, did you check the box at LMS > Settings > Advanced > tab > "Community firmware for touch/radio/controller"? > > 35342 How come my LMS version is : 8.1.1 - 1610364019 while yours is 8.2? The new Touch firmware I just got is 8.0.1r-16855. verycd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
Redrum wrote: > You need to use what works for you. Whatever you are most comfortable > with. It seems your preference is toward your solution, so that's great! > I think we just offered you an alternative that allot of us use. > > I am not a pi hardware expert, I just use 'em, but many here are. If you > look around at a few threads, many feel the heat concern is overblown. I > have a 3b+ and a 4 running LMS and I can't tell the difference. I also > can't tell the difference on performance/response, but perhaps that's > just because I am not paying attention. Like I said, a 3b+ is fine for > me. I have a 4 because I gave my other 3b+ to setup a friend, and he > bought me a 4 in return. I think others are using 2's and even zero W's > (but I prefer a LAN connection for my server). > > It's funny you mention the power consumption of vintage electronics, as > I have a couple old rotel integrated amps that are always on (because > you can't remotely turn them off). At my cabin I have an old arcam A65, > and a schitt dac that I use with a touch, that are always on (when I'm > there) for the same reason. I guess when I mentioned the low power > consumption of the pi, it was more of a "bonus". I guess I am find > spending a little $ to use the old analog gear I've owned forever. > > Not to take this thread totally off the rails, but the "smart switch" > you recommended, I have been looking all over for something similar that > could be controlled with *IR* so I could power the vintage stuff along > with everything else with a Harmony remote. You would think that someone > would make it but it seems that they all use the 300MHz (US) > intermittent band to solve "line of sight". I have not found one other > than X10 which is alot of hardware for a simple task. I have been > thinking of buying a smart switch and putting an IR front end on it. > Maybe some day > > Jim You mentioned there was no noticeable difference in heat and performance between Pi3B+ and Pi4. Do the two units of yours have the same amount of RAM? I assume that may affect performance somehow? What is the optimal amount of RAM needed for LMS? verycd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
verycd wrote: > Yes, I checked the "community firmware" under advanced. Can't wait to > experience the newest firmware. > > Yes, the LMS switch is under my music, which I didn't know. Thank you. > > I checked the music folder under player>extra settings and > interface>extra settings last night but the music folder option > disappeared this morning. Under player, it was still checked, under > interface, it was unchecked. There is no save option so I set it with > everything else as default setting for the interface. Hope it will > remain there. > > I have never spent time studing how to tag so the library is not > well-organized. :oI am pretty sure Material Skin ignores "Additional Browse > Modes". Under Settings/Interface clicking close to exit the list should save the settings. Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
Yes, I checked the "community firmware" under advanced. Can't wait to experience the newest firmware. Yes, the LMS switch is under my music, which I didn't know. Thank you. I checked the music folder under player>extra settings and interface>extra settings last night but the music folder option disappeared this morning. Under player, it was still checked, under interface, it was unchecked. There is no save option so I set it with everything else as default setting for the interface. Hope it will remain there. I have never spent time studing how to tag so the library is not well-organized. :o verycd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
verycd wrote: > Thank you, kidstypike, startibartfast, d6jg and redrum! Now I can see > "music folder" which is the only way I can navigate through my library. > Not sure why but "album" shows one track as an album. Folder groups > items together. > > This app could move the Touch from mysqueezebox.com back to LMS, which > is very helpful. On the Touch itself, I can shift from LMS to > mysqueezebox.com if I reboot the unit but once it is shifted to > mysqueezebox.com, the LMS option disappeared. It is not under network, > not under other libraries. Nowhere to be found unless I move it to LMS > with the online interface and the material app. > > The touch firmware is 7.8.0-r16754. I installed the "community firmware > for touch/radio/controller 0.0.6" two days ago, hoping soon the newest > firmware would show up in the software update option on the Touch but so > far I haven't seen it yet. Maybe the new firmware will give the option > locally on the Touch to shift back from mysqueezebox.com to LMS. Also, > the screen does not show the music playing but rather the menu after > shifting back to LMS with material skin app. The screen and remote of > the touch becomes irrelevant to what is playing. Do I need to do > something to accelerate the rollout of new firmwares? > > I am interested in classical and jazz. The music and artist app has been > installed.If Music Folder is the only usable method to view your library then > you have issues with your tags. To view "now playing" info on the Touch tap the icon at the top right of the touchscreen. Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
verycd wrote: > Thank you, kidstypike, startibartfast, d6jg and redrum! Now I can see > "music folder" which is the only way I can navigate through my library. > Not sure why but "album" shows one track as an album. Folder groups > items together. > > This app could move the Touch from mysqueezebox.com back to LMS, which > is very helpful. On the Touch itself, I can shift from LMS to > mysqueezebox.com if I reboot the unit but once it is shifted to > mysqueezebox.com, the LMS option disappeared. It is not under network, > not under other libraries. Nowhere to be found unless I move it to LMS > with the online interface and the material app. > > The touch firmware is 7.8.0-r16754. I installed the "community firmware > for touch/radio/controller 0.0.6" two days ago, hoping soon the newest > firmware would show up in the software update option on the Touch but so > far I haven't seen it yet. Maybe the new firmware will give the option > locally on the Touch to shift back from mysqueezebox.com to LMS. Also, > the screen does not show the music playing but rather the menu after > shifting back to LMS with material skin app. The screen and remote of > the touch becomes irrelevant to what is playing. Do I need to do > something to accelerate the rollout of new firmwares? > > I am interested in classical and jazz. The music and artist app has been > installed. Agree with Redrum, just browsing to "My Music" should get you connected back to LMS. Regarding firmware, did you check the box at LMS > Settings > Advanced tab > "Community firmware for touch/radio/controller"? 35342 +---+ |Filename: firmware.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=35342| +---+ *Server - LMS 8.2.0 *Pi4B 4GB/Argon one case/pCP 8.0.0 - 75K library, playlists & LMS cache on SSD (ntfs) *Study -* Pi4/pCP 8.0.0/Topping E30 DAC/Ruark MR1 Mk2 *Lounge* - Pi2/pCP 8.0.0 > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > AudioEngine DAC1 > AVI DM5 *Dining Room* - Pi3B/pCP/Bluetooth/Echo Show 8 *Garage* - DAC32 > Edifier speakers *Spares* - 2xTouch, 1xSB Radio. 1xSB3, 6xRPi kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
verycd wrote: > On the Touch itself, I can shift from LMS to mysqueezebox.com if I > reboot the unit but once it is shifted to mysqueezebox.com, the LMS > option disappeared. It is not under network, not under other libraries. > Nowhere to be found unless I move it to LMS with the online interface > and the material app. > > If I am understanding your question correctly I know that the option to switch back is under one of the menus, but I always just choose "my music" to switch back, which causes the switch to LMS (to access the local library). I really don't use mysb.com, but, if for some reason LMS wasn't available, which caused say a touch to auto switch to mysb.com, once I resolved why LMS was off line, I just choose "my music" to switch back to LMS, then home, then Favorites, Radio, Apps, etc. It's just easy for me. "My Music" is basically a switch to LMS for me. Jim Redrum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
Thank you, kidstypike, startibartfast, d6jg and redrum! Now I can see "music folder" which is the only way I can navigate through my library. Not sure why but "album" shows one track as an album. Folder groups items together. This app could move the Touch from mysqueezebox.com back to LMS, which is very helpful. On the Touch itself, I can shift from LMS to mysqueezebox.com if I reboot the unit but once it is shifted to mysqueezebox.com, the LMS option disappeared. It is not under network, not under other libraries. Nowhere to be found unless I move it to LMS with the online interface and the material app. The touch firmware is 7.8.0-r16754. I installed the "community firmware for touch/radio/controller 0.0.6" two days ago, hoping soon the newest firmware would show up in the software update option on the Touch but so far I haven't seen it yet. Maybe the new firmware will give the option locally on the Touch to shift back from mysqueezebox.com to LMS. Also, the screen does not show the music playing but rather the menu after shifting back to LMS with material skin app. The screen and remote of the touch becomes irrelevant to what is playing. I am interested in classical and jazz. The music and artist app has been installed. verycd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
And mine? https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?114874-Radio-stations-don-t-get-updated=1028664=1#post1028664 *Server - LMS 8.2.0 *Pi4B 4GB/Argon one case/pCP 8.0.0 - 75K library, playlists & LMS cache on SSD (ntfs) *Study -* Pi4/pCP 8.0.0/Topping E30 DAC/Ruark MR1 Mk2 *Lounge* - Pi2/pCP 8.0.0 > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > AudioEngine DAC1 > AVI DM5 *Dining Room* - Pi3B/pCP/Bluetooth/Echo Show 8 *Garage* - DAC32 > Edifier speakers *Spares* - 2xTouch, 1xSB Radio. 1xSB3, 6xRPi kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
verycd wrote: > It's supposed to be under "my music" but it is not. Not on the web > interface, nor on the mobile app. > > 35338Did you see my post directly before yours? https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=1028671 Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
verycd wrote: > It's supposed to be under "my music" but it is not. Not on the web > interface, nor on the mobile app. > > Do you have the LMS "Additional Browse Modes" plugin installed? *Server - LMS 8.2.0 *Pi4B 4GB/Argon one case/pCP 8.0.0 - 75K library, playlists & LMS cache on SSD (ntfs) *Study -* Pi4/pCP 8.0.0/Topping E30 DAC/Ruark MR1 Mk2 *Lounge* - Pi2/pCP 8.0.0 > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > AudioEngine DAC1 > AVI DM5 *Dining Room* - Pi3B/pCP/Bluetooth/Echo Show 8 *Garage* - DAC32 > Edifier speakers *Spares* - 2xTouch, 1xSB Radio. 1xSB3, 6xRPi kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
Just to report on WOL. After trying all possible combinations of settings, suspected it was router ports not open but couldn't open them on the loggon page. Got 9 and 9000 opened by calling internet service provider. Both work on different Android WOL apps but not on the Squeezer app somehow. Don't know why but don't mind making one extra click. :D:D verycd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
d6jg wrote: > Music Folder should be under My Music It's supposed to be under "my music" but it is not. Not on the web interface, nor on the mobile app. 35338 +---+ |Filename: B6hRdQP.png | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=35338| +---+ verycd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
verycd wrote: > Thank you for directing me to F-droid and LMS app. It indeed works > beautifully. > > 1) Is there a way to make material skin show "music folder", which is > available in default and classic? Both the webpage and the app lack > "music folder" directory. > 2) The App occasionally display the last song and playing process > instead of the current. It happens squeezer as well. The only way to fix > it is to go forward or backward a few songs, stop and restart to play > again.Settings/Interface for Music Folder.[image: https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210725/518b2bc0c3a66114c44d58ed4b863c9d.jpg][image: https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210725/5bb675805cd1d2fb584468e2ee33a845.jpg] Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
d6jg wrote: > If your musical taste is rock, pop and or jazz as opposed to classical > then another plugin (that works brilliantly with Material) is Music & > Artist Information. After install youll find an (i) at top right ish in > Material > > It does also work with classical but not as accurate. +1 Not sure what info it would return for "Yoga Chill" though:p Jim Redrum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
If your musical taste is rock, pop and or jazz as opposed to classical then another plugin (that works brilliantly with Material) is Music & Artist Information. After install youll find an (i) at top right ish in Material It does also work with classical but not as accurate. VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Boom *Kitchen* UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
d6jg wrote: > Music Folder should be under My Music also, in the app, there are "view select" at the bottom - "browse" is where you find my music, "now playing" and "queue" is your playlist. It's different than the skin which used multiple pane/windows. There is a thread for "all things material" :) - https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?109624-Announce-Material-Skin=announce+material Further inquiry might get best attention over there. Craig has done a tremendous amount of work tailoring to the wishes of the members. If you are running on android, I also like "squeeze cntrl" which I started using before material was born, and still use today. They both have their strengths https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?96757-Annouce-Squeeze-Control-a-squeezebox-remote-app-is-now-available-for-Android=angry+goat Jim Redrum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
verycd wrote: > Thank you for directing me to F-droid and LMS app. It indeed works > beautifully. > > 1) Is there a way to make material skin show "music folder", which is > available in default and classic? Both the webpage and the app lack > "music folder" directory. > 2) The App occasionally display the last song and playing process > instead of the current. It happens squeezer as well. The only way to fix > it is to go forward or backward a few songs, stop and restart to play > again. Go to Settings > Player > Extra Settings > tap the top dropdown > Additional Browse Modes. 35332 +---+ |Filename: ABM.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=35332| +---+ *Server - LMS 8.2.0 *Pi4B 4GB/Argon one case/pCP 8.0.0 - 75K library, playlists & LMS cache on SSD (ntfs) *Study -* Pi4/pCP 8.0.0/Topping E30 DAC/Ruark MR1 Mk2 *Lounge* - Pi2/pCP 8.0.0 > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > AudioEngine DAC1 > AVI DM5 *Dining Room* - Pi3B/pCP/Bluetooth/Echo Show 8 *Garage* - DAC32 > Edifier speakers *Spares* - 2xTouch, 1xSB Radio. 1xSB3, 6xRPi kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
verycd wrote: > Thank you for directing me to F-droid and LMS app. It indeed works > beautifully. > > 1) Is there a way to make material skin show "music folder", which is > available in default and classic? Both the webpage and the app lack > "music folder" directory. > 2) The App occasionally display the last song and playing process > instead of the current. It happens squeezer as well. The only way to fix > it is to go forward or backward a few songs, stop and restart to play > again. Music Folder should be under My Music VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Boom *Kitchen* UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
d6jg wrote: > Couple of things to note following install of Material > > http://server:9000/default > and > http://server:9000/material > > Will both work on a PC and bring up the two different interfaces. > Sometimes the default is easier to use for changing Settings although > they are accessible inside Material > > Now try both on a mobile phone. Again they both work but default is > unusable due to ancient http structure but Material works beautifully. > There is an apk for Material from F-droid. Thank you for directing me to F-droid and LMS app. It indeed works beautifully. 1) Is there a way to make material skin show "music folder", which is available in default and classic? Both the webpage and the app lack "music folder" directory. 2) The App occasionally display the last song and playing process instead of the current. It happens squeezer as well. The only way to fix it is to go forward or backward a few songs, stop and restart to play again. verycd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
Couple of things to note following install of Material http://server:9000/default and http://server:9000/material Will both work on a PC and bring up the two different interfaces. Sometimes the default is easier to use for changing Settings although they are accessible inside Material Now try both on a mobile phone. Again they both work but default is unusable due to ancient http structure but Material works beautifully. There is an apk for Material from F-droid. VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Boom *Kitchen* UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
verycd wrote: > I mean the interface that takes the settings, the "control panel" as in > windows, where one can click open the webpage control page. I know it is > installed but don't know where to find it. When I searched media server, > only the installation package came up. I guess there is no such pop-up > window in Linux. > > Yes, ip:9000 works. Thank you. I will see where I can find the skin. > Didn't see skin in "plugins" in windows. In Linux, what you're looking for is part of the web interface. If you go back to the default web interface at http://server-ip:9000, then click on "Settings" at bottom right, that should take you to a page with many, many configuration options, spread over several tabs. LMS 8 nightly running on Raspberry Pi OS. Mostly virtual players, occasionally with SB Radio, Boom or Classic. RobbH's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67008 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
Redrum wrote: > oops! I am an EE and never heard of "arms" for amps RMS. Maybe an > international thing? Agree that it's just for testing, but pretty cool. > More of a "how much is that extra refrigerator/freezer costing us?". > > I've got a SB radio sitting here I am going to plug into itonce I > find it > > on, not playing (clock screensaver)> > > Jim Yes, LMS itself uses very little power, not much more than bare idle. Compared to the frige, a stereo system does not contribute the hydro bill much. Old gear is not energy efficient, generates a lot more heat. I have learned to turn them off after every use. verycd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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d6jg wrote: > What do you mean by controller? > You will find LMS at http://linuxpcip:9000 or possibly 9001 > Try the material skin plugin I mean the interface that takes the settings, the "control panel". I know it is installed but don't know where to find it. When I searched media server, only the installation package came up. verycd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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slartibartfast wrote: > Seems accurate enough. "Arms" is OK for current (Amps RMS). The best > part of the spec is the power consumption of the device itself at 10W > max. You wouldn't want to leave it plugged in if you were trying to save > power. > > Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk oops! I am an EE and never heard of "arms" for amps RMS. Maybe an international thing? Agree that it's just for testing, but pretty cool. More of a "how much is that extra refrigerator/freezer costing us?". I've got a SB radio sitting here I am going to plug into itonce I find it Jim Redrum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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verycd wrote: > t. > > I can't see why it is much less convenient than a dedicated > constantly-running server ... > > Some online reviews on the Pi 4 say it has heat management problem too > while the Pi 400 is better in that because there is a large piece of > aluminum plate covering the entire bottom of the keyboard case and it is > 15% faster. But as a cheap bastard, I think it is also over-priced... You need to use what works for you. Whatever you are most comfortable with. It seems your preference is toward your solution, so that's great! I think we just offered you an alternative that allot of us use. I am not a pi hardware expert, I just use 'em, but many here are. If you look around at a few threads, many feel the heat concern is overblown. I have a 3b+ and a 4 running LMS and I can't tell the difference. I also can't tell the difference on performance/response, but perhaps that's just because I am not paying attention. Like I said, a 3b+ is fine for me. I have a 4 because I gave my other 3b+ to setup a friend, and he bought me a 4 in return. I think others are using 2's and even zero W's (but I prefer a LAN connection for my server). It's funny you mention the power consumption of vintage electronics, as I have a couple old rotel integrated amps that are always on (because you can't remotely turn them off). At my cabin I have an old arcam A65, and a schitt dac that I use with a touch, that are always on (when I'm there) for the same reason. I guess when I mentioned the low power consumption of the pi, it was more of a "bonus". I guess I am find spending a little $ to use the old analog gear I've owned forever. Not to take this thread totally off the rails, but the "smart switch" you recommended, I have been looking all over for something similar that could be controlled with *IR* so I could power the vintage stuff along with everything else with a Harmony remote. You would think that someone would make it but it seems that they all use the 300MHz (US) intermittent band to solve "line of sight". I have not found one other than X10 which is alot of hardware for a simple task. I have been thinking of buying a smart switch and putting an IR front end on it. Maybe some day Jim Redrum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
verycd wrote: > I installed the LMS on my linux PC as well. I know it is working because > squeezer app found it but, as a new user of Linux, I don't even know > where the LMS controller is :rolleyes::rolleyes: What do you mean by controller? You will find LMS at http://linuxpcip:9000 or possibly 9001 Try the material skin plugin VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Boom *Kitchen* UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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coyrls wrote: > The comparison was between a laptop in sleep state and a running Pi, so > not really a like for like comparison and without WOL working, a sleep > state laptop isn't going to be a user friendly solution and, speaking > from experience with a Linux server, even with WOL working, it is still > clunky. I installed the LMS on my linux PC as well. I know it is working because squeezer app found it but, as a new user of Linux, I don't even know where the LMS controller is :rolleyes::rolleyes: verycd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
I figured out it was not the LMS that prevented the notebook from going to sleep. It is spooler. Not sure how the service got started because I didn't print anything from the notebook for months. After stopping the service and deleted all the "unfinished print job files" in a file folder, The notebook can go to sleep when LMS is running. I set the "prevent LMS from standby" to 3 minutes and Windows to sleep at 10 minutes. I usually force the system to sleep with the dedicated button on the external keyboard if I am using it for other tasks. The sleep setting will kick in when the computer is only used as LMS in case I am too lazy or forget. I can't see why it is much less convenient than a dedicated constantly-running server since one doesn't have to worry about putting the notebook to sleep. To wake it up, if Wake-on-Lan works (a shame I haven't figured it out), it only takes one click in the squeezer app. If someone uses squeezer app to control the players, the app has to be opened anyway. Some online reviews on the Pi 4 say it has heat management problem too while the Pi 400 is better in that because there is a large piece of aluminum plate covering the entire bottom of the keyboard case and it is 15% faster. But as a cheap bastard, I think it is also over-priced, especially when I already have two reppurposed laptops set up. Letting one multi-tasking actually saves space and energy. I think we should be more concerned about old receivers, for 35 watts at standby is what a modern 55' 4K LED TV uses at work (about 1/3 brightness). verycd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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verycd wrote: > You can buy a 'smart plug ' > (https://www.primecables.ca/p-36-lvs-s31us-y-s31-wifi-smart-socket-yellow-smart-phone-app-online-controllable-livingwise#sku373365)for > 10 dollars cadadian, maybe even less. it can see the real time power > consumption, be scheduled as a timer or switch on and off when you are > not even home.I have a couple of smart plugs but went for the cheaper version > without energy monitoring thinking it wouldn't be necessary for the devices I wanted to control. The price of smart plugs has come down a lot since then. Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Redrum wrote: > not sure but I imagine that the longer the averaged reading the better. > Maybe I'll try pulling mine out and putting it on my pcp server. > > Here's from their manual. Interesting that the accuracy for current is > measured in "arms". Darn proof reader! :) Not very helpful in that it > says 0-15A, accuracy max 1% which would imply accurate at trickle > currents, but who knows... > > Jim Seems accurate enough. "Arms" is OK for current (Amps RMS). The best part of the spec is the power consumption of the device itself at 10W max. You wouldn't want to leave it plugged in if you were trying to save power. Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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slartibartfast wrote: > Are they accurate at low power? Amazon seem to sell a few but they all > look like they came from the same Chinese factory with a different name > on the front. > > Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk not sure but I imagine that the longer the averaged reading the better. Maybe I'll try pulling mine out and putting it on my pcp server. Here's from their manual. Interesting that the accuracy for current is measured in "arms". Darn proof reader! :) Not very helpful in that it says 0-15A, accuracy max 1% which would imply accurate at trickle currents, but who knows... Jim +---+ |Filename: kow.png | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=35329| +---+ Redrum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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slartibartfast wrote: > How did you measure the power consumption of the laptop? I sometimes > have an urge to measure the consumption of various things but don't have > any equipment to measure it. I used to have access to a number of Power > Analysers through work but never thought to take one home. > > Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk You can buy a 'smart plug ' (https://www.primecables.ca/p-36-lvs-s31us-y-s31-wifi-smart-socket-yellow-smart-phone-app-online-controllable-livingwise#sku373365)for 10 dollars cadadian, maybe even less. it can see the real time power consumption, be scheduled as a timer or switch on and off when you are not even home. verycd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Redrum wrote: > not the guy you are asking, but I have a "kill a watt" they are pretty > cool, and not that much $ (under $30USD) - > http://www.p3international.com/products/P4400.html > > I like that you can take immediate readings, and readings over time, say > a week or month (for something that runs intermittantly, like a fridge, > etc). You can also enter your suppliers rate per kwh, and the meter > reads in $. > > As an example, I am one of the rare 70's holdovers that still sleeps in > a waterbed. I used the meter to determine that it costs me $12USD/month > to heat. I plugged the power strip from my kit into it to see what > standby costs are. helps me decide what to unplug if I am gone for an > extended period of time. > > JimAre they accurate at low power? Amazon seem to sell a few but they all look like they came from the same Chinese factory with a different name on the front. Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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bpa wrote: > > It looks like partly to convert a secure https URL to a non secure one - > change https to http AND take off leading digit 1 from port (e.g. 18027 > -> 8027 , 18039 -> 8039) This is quite common. Some others add 5 or 10 to the port number. In this case, they added a massive number! ;) *RadioFeeds UK & Ireland..* an up-to-date radio directory for your Squeezebox/Transporter/UE Smart Radio.. available from the mysqueezebox.com App Gallery. Bonus: our RadioFeeds LMS plugin also lists AAC *and the BBC's high-quality HLS streams* on top of what's available in our MSB app. -Now with over 1000 registered users-, it's available for Logitech Media Server (and Squeezebox Server, SqueezeCenter and SlimServer). Click for more info: *http://www.radiofeeds.co.uk/squeeze* vinnielo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14510 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
slartibartfast wrote: > How did you measure the power consumption of the laptop? I sometimes > have an urge to measure the consumption of various things but don't have > any equipment to measure it. I used to have access to a number of Power > Analysers through work but never thought to take one home. > > Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk not the guy you are asking, but I have a "kill a watt" they are pretty cool, and not that much $ (under $30USD) - http://www.p3international.com/products/P4400.html I like that you can take immediate readings, and readings over time, say a week or month (for something that runs intermittantly, like a fridge, etc). You can also enter your suppliers rate per kwh, and the meter reads in $. As an example, I am one of the rare 70's holdovers that still sleeps in a waterbed. I used the meter to determine that it costs me $12USD/month to heat. I plugged the power strip from my kit into it to see what standby costs are. helps me decide what to unplug if I am gone for an extended period of time. Jim Redrum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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vinnielo wrote: > The non-secure (HTTP) stream for Yoga Chill is at > http://radio4.vip-radios.fm:8027/secure-128mp3-YogaChill > You should be able to use mysqueezebox.com for this. Interesting Yoga Chill non-secure http://radio4.vip-radios.fm:8027/secure-128mp3-YogaChill secure https://radio4.vip-radios.fm:18027/secure-128mp3-YogaChill BaySmoothJazz non-secure http://radio2.vip-radios.fm:8039/stream-192kmp3-BaySmoothJazz secure https://radio2.vip-radios.fm:18039/stream-192kmp3-BaySmoothJazz It looks like partly to convert a secure https URL to a non secure one - change https to http AND take off leading digit 1 from port (e.g. 18027 -> 8027 , 18039 -> 8039) bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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verycd wrote: > Good summery, Jim. I am very gradteful too that the volunteers/fans > spend time keeping the abandoned line alive. I have learned to purchase > products that have large ethusiastic and capable followers. > > I don't feel anyone tried to help me here was pushy in any ways :-) I > like the idea of the raspberry idea. It is just for my current usage the > notebook may be a good enough sulution after actually measuring the > power consumption. Years ago I attached the external drive to the USB > input of the Touch. It was so slow to scan and locate the music using > the remote or the irresponsive touchscreen, which made me hardly enjoy > the local library. I am sure PI 4 would be much faster for the task. The > PI also offers the convenience of not having to remember to put the > laptop to sleep manually after any task.How did you measure the power > consumption of the laptop? I sometimes have an urge to measure the consumption of various things but don't have any equipment to measure it. I used to have access to a number of Power Analysers through work but never thought to take one home. Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
You're welcome, -verycd-. *RadioFeeds UK & Ireland..* an up-to-date radio directory for your Squeezebox/Transporter/UE Smart Radio.. available from the mysqueezebox.com App Gallery. Bonus: our RadioFeeds LMS plugin also lists AAC *and the BBC's high-quality HLS streams* on top of what's available in our MSB app. -Now with over 1000 registered users-, it's available for Logitech Media Server (and Squeezebox Server, SqueezeCenter and SlimServer). Click for more info: *http://www.radiofeeds.co.uk/squeeze* vinnielo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14510 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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verycd wrote: > Good summery, Jim. I am very gradteful too that the volunteers/fans > spend time keeping the abandoned line alive. I have learned to purchase > products that have large ethusiastic and capable followers. > > I don't feel anyone tried to help me here was pushy in any ways :-) I > like the idea of the raspberry idea. It is just for my current usage the > notebook may be a good enough sulution after actually measuring the > power consumption. Years ago I attached the external drive to the USB > input of the Touch. It was so slow to scan and locate the music using > the remote or the irresponsive touchscreen, which made me hardly enjoy > the local library. I am sure PI 4 would be much faster for the task. glad you didn't feel pushed :) when you hooked the USB drive to the touch, and were not happy two things were in play: 1) While previous sb devices had "out of the box" through mysb.com exclusively, the touch expanded the out of box by added a small version of LMS, referred to as "tiny LMS". It too is no longer supported and ironically, also suffers the http/https limitation. There is alot of discussion here on it, it is crash prone if you try to do too much (play, scan, and flip through menus at the same time). Seems like that is what you experienced. I setup a non tech friend with the touch running tiny LMS and a thumb drive of music and it did fine for him. I eventually got him a picoreplayer (server) for the https thing, and, because he enjoys the radio paradise streams, this gave him the FLAC streams. He still doesn't know why he needs the little box (pCP) hooked to his router, oh well...:rolleyes: 2) If your USB drive did not have a separate power supply, perhaps the touch USB could not power it, but perhaps you checked that. Take Care Jim Redrum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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P Nelson wrote: > Interesting observation that the Pi may not be the most energy efficient > solution. I have wondered the same thing because even when the Pcp/LMS > is not playing any music the cpu temp for my 3B+ always is about 58C. I > saw in the tweaks there is a cpu governor option of power save. I tried > power save and looked at the cpu temp chart, and the temperature did not > change much, maybe 1C. I have noticed 1C fluctuations seem normal. My > understanding running LMS does not require much cpu power, so i might > just leave it in power save. > > While maybe not the most energy efficient, I do like the small size of > the Pi and it doesnt take up much space my media equipment area. The comparison was between a laptop in sleep state and a running Pi, so not really a like for like comparison and without WOL working, a sleep state laptop isn't going to be a user friendly solution and, speaking from experience with a Linux server, even with WOL working, it is still clunky. coyrls's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44253 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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verycd wrote: > I measured the power consumtion of an old laptop running LMS. 9-10W > while running LMS alone and 0.2W at sleep. I guess, based on my > listening time (maxium 100Hs a month), if I don't run it 24/7 as a > dedicated server, the cost of playing music is $0.5 CAN . Running a Pi > 400 (pretty and with better heat management) 24/7 costs more (2.5W at > idle) untill I double my listening time. My vintage receivers use about > almost same electricity at idle as at work, more than 30W. So either > way, not a big deal but not a must investment because I don't have other > use for the Pi 400 and there are more than 52,000 tracks on an external > hard drive. The $120 second-hand HP note has more processing power and > 12G of RAM for indexing and easy to operate since it's already hooked > with external monitor, mouse and keyboard for other tasks. > > Interesting observation that the Pi may not be the most energy efficient solution. I have wondered the same thing because even when the Pcp/LMS is not playing any music the cpu temp for my 3B+ always is about 58C. I saw in the tweaks there is a cpu governor option of power save. I tried power save and looked at the cpu temp chart, and the temperature did not change much, maybe 1C. I have noticed 1C fluctuations seem normal. My understanding running LMS does not require much cpu power, so i might just leave it in power save. While maybe not the most energy efficient, I do like the small size of the Pi and it doesnt take up much space my media equipment area. P Nelson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58158 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Redrum wrote: > Your original post reflected disappointment that the touch stand alone > operation (mysb.com) was not maintained like other devices, like phones. > It would not update/play old radio station urls as radio urls migrate > from http to https. Sometimes the old http streams are alive, sometimes > not. This is due to the fact that mysb.com has not been maintained for > years, however, logitech has kept it alive for legacy purposes. > > The suggested answer to fix the problem for your touch is to have > something running LMS. You asked for a solution where you didn't have to > keep the PC on, so many of us suggested the raspberry pi. Sorry if maybe > we (I) pushed too hard, a lot of us adore the fact that you can run a > extremely versatile and powerful music server on such an inexpensive > platform, myself included. > > Of course a lot of other hardware, PC's, Phones, etc can have a more > convenient and robust UI (like the podcast interface as you mentioned), > but, if you try the material skin on your phone, PC, pad, it has a real > nice UI, and fairly decent podcast management. > > In summary to your op,yes, maintenance of the sb devices as standalone > devices was dropped when logitech discontinued the line, but maintenance > and development of the product line and ecosystem/LMS lived on thanks to > the members of this community and especially those that contribute their > time in development (thank you, thank you, thank you!). > > The important thing is you found a solution that works for you. After > all, it's all about the music, eh? :) > > Jim Good summery, Jim. I am very gradteful too that the volunteers/fans spend time keeping the abandoned line alive. I have learned to purchase products that have large ethusiastic and capable followers. I don't feel anyone tried to help me here was pushy in any ways :-) I like the idea of raspberry idea. It is just for my current usage the notebook may be a good enough sulution after actually measuring the power consumption. Years ago I attached the external drive to the USB input of the Touch. It was so slow to scan and locate the music using the remote or the irresponsive touchscreen, which made me hardly enjoy the local library. I am sure PI 4 would be much faster for the task. verycd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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d6jg wrote: > If that is indeed the case he will need to switch it on - usually via a > bios setting - if the laptop hardware supports it. Yes, bios is set properly and the ethernet adaptor supports it and configured according to online tutorials. The notebook is on LAN not WLAN. The manufactuer's website provided info for Wake-ON-LAN issue of this model and others due to Windows 10. But it was a few years ago. I suspect the problem has something to do with new updates in Windows 10. After all, for a non-tech person, it takes a lot of time to trouble-shoot. This is the second time I tried to make it work. The last time was one year ago. verycd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
Redrum wrote: > I think he is trying to WOL his laptop running LMS from squeezer on his > phone. Pi is mentioned as a suggested route, but he is trying to get his > current config working. > > Jim If that is indeed the case he will need to switch it on - usually via a bios setting - if the laptop hardware supports it. VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Boom *Kitchen* UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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bpa wrote: > IIRC Pi don't support WOL (maybe more to do with s/w rather than h/w) > maybe because power usage is considered to be low. Often users who want > to remotely turn/off Pi use wifi / Zigbee controlled socket and use > on/off control from phone/tablet - suits users already with some HA. > Power up delay is the downside. I think he is trying to WOL his laptop running LMS from squeezer on his phone. Pi is mentioned as a suggested route, but he is trying to get his current config working. Jim Redrum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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verycd wrote: > The only pain is I still couldn't figure out how to make the Wake On LAN > (from squeezer app on the phone) work after 10 hours of trying. Guess I > will settle for the ritualistic walking and pressing the button now. An > older version of the Squeeze Player app works well on an repurposed > phone so I can sync music and control volumes separately now on squeezer > instead of powering the two sets of speakers in two rooms with one > receiver and long cables when I want the same music playing. IIRC Pi don't support WOL (maybe more to do with s/w rather than h/w) maybe because power usage is considered to be low. Often users who want to remotely turn/off Pi use wifi / Zigbee controlled socket and use on/off control from phone/tablet - suits users already with some HA. Power up delay is the downside. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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verycd wrote: > I measured the power consumtion of an old laptop running LMS. 9-10W > while running LMS alone and 0.2W at sleep. I guess, based on my > listening time (maxium 100Hs a month), if I don't run it 24/7 as a > dedicated server, the cost of playing music is $0.5 CAN . Running a Pi > 400 (pretty and with better heat management) 24/7 costs more (2.5W at > idle) untill I double my listening time. My vintage receivers use about > almost same electricity at idle as at work, more than 30W. So either > way, not a big deal but not a must investment because I don't have other > use for the Pi 400 and there are more than 52,000 tracks on an external > hard drive. The $120 second-hand HP note has more processing power and > 12G of RAM for indexing and easy to operate since it's already hooked > with external monitor, mouse and keyboard for other tasks. > > The only pain is I still couldn't figure out how to make the Wake On LAN > (from squeezer app on the phone) work after 10 hours of trying. Guess I > will settle for the ritualistic walking and pressing the button now. An > older version of the Squeeze Player app works well on an repurposed > phone so I can sync music and control volumes separately now on squeezer > instead of powering the two sets of speakers in two rooms with one > receiver and long cables when I want the same music playing. Your original post reflected disappointment that the touch stand alone operation (mysb.com) was not maintained like other devices, like phones. It would not update/play old radio station urls as radio urls migrate from http to https. Sometimes the old http streams are alive, sometimes not. This is due to the fact that mysb.com has not been maintained for years, however, logitech has kept it alive for legacy purposes. The suggested answer to fix the problem for your touch is to have something running LMS. You asked for a solution where you didn't have to keep the PC on, so many of us suggested the raspberry pi. Sorry if maybe we (I) pushed too hard, a lot of us adore the fact that you can run a extremely versatile and powerful music server on such an inexpensive platform, myself included. Of course a lot of other hardware, PC's, Phones, etc can have a more convenient and robust UI (like the podcast interface as you mentioned), but, if you try the material skin on your phone, PC, pad, it has a real nice UI, and fairly decent podcast management. In summary to your op,yes, maintenance of the sb devices as standalone devices was dropped when logitech discontinued the line, but maintenance and development of the product line and ecosystem/LMS lived on thanks to the members of this community and especially those that contribute their time in development (thank you, thank you, thank you!). The important thing is you found a solution that works for you. After all, it's all about the music, eh? :) Jim Redrum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Redrum wrote: > There are multiple lengthy discussions on "getting started" and "how to" > that we can give you thread links to if you want. There are also alot of > "which one is best" > > Having said that, I have two LMS only servers, one on a 3b+ and one on a > 4. The 3b+ is fine, the 4 is faster (full music rescans, etc). I would > not hesitate to use a 3B+ again, but since the 4's are only a tad bit > more $, many will say "use a 4". I know that others have used pi zero's > etc, but UI have no experience. Perhaps others can chime in. > > It also depends on what you want to do. If you just want to use > picoreplayer to basically replace the deficiencies of mysqueezebox.com > (fix https, etc), I would think you could use anything. If you want to > know rip your 1000's of CD's :) you are best to get a 3b+ or later. > > In case it's not obvious, picoreplayer is a "player" (like your touch > with no built in UI) that can also load and run LMS to be a server. I > use it only as a server (disable the squeezelite player). But, you could > get an inexpensive audio hat for the pi (analog or digital out) and have > another player in the process if you like. There is no UI, but you could > control with your touch, or just sync with your touch, or use phones, > pads, etc to control. > > Jim I measured the power consumtion of an old laptop running LMS. About 10W while running LMS alone and 0.2W at sleep. I guess, based on my listening time (maxium 100Hs a month), if I don't run it 24/7 as a dedicated server, the cost of playing music is $0.5 CAN . Running a Pi 400 24/7 will probably costs more (2.5w while idling). Either way, not a big deal but not a must investment because I don't have other use for the Pi 400 and I have more than 50,000 tracks on an external hard drive. The $120 second-hand HP laptop has much power for indexing and easy to operate since it's already hooked with external monitor, mouse and keyboard for other tasks. The only pain is I still couldn't figure out how to make the Wake On LAN (from squeezer app on the phone) work after 10 hours of trying. Guess I will settle for now. verycd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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verycd wrote: > Which budget version of rastberry pi works best with picoreplayer? There are multiple lengthy discussions on "getting started" and "how to" that we can give you thread links to if you want. There are also alot of "which one is best" Having said that, I have two LMS only servers, one on a 3b+ and one on a 4. The 3b+ is fine, the 4 is faster (full music rescans, etc). I would not hesitate to use a 3B+ again, but since the 4's are only a tad bit more $, many will say "use a 4". I know that others have used pi zero's etc, but UI have no experience. Perhaps others can chime in. It also depends on what you want to do. If you just want to use picoreplayer to basically replace the deficiencies of mysqueezebox.com (fix https, etc), I would think you could use anything. If you want to know rip your 1000's of CD's :) you are best to get a 3b+ or later. In case it's not obvious, picoreplayer is a "player" (like your touch with no built in UI) that can also load and run LMS to be a server. I use it only as a server (disable the squeezelite player). But, you could get an inexpensive audio hat for the pi (analog or digital out) and have another player in the process if you like. There is no UI, but you could control with your touch, or just sync with your touch, or use phones, pads, etc to control. Jim Redrum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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verycd wrote: > Thank you for the Radionomy and ShoutCast suggestion. I will definitely > explore the possibilities with these apps. Another cretiria for my > choosing stations is there must not be any ads. Otherwise I'd rather > play music in my storage. It is sad to see Adore Jazz started to play > localized ads recently. It used to be my favorite station for vocal > jazz. I had to remove it from my favorite list. > > I am a big fan of repurposing. Wish there was an Android version of LMS > so I can use my extra android box which has a powerful enough CPU, 4G > RAM, USB, BT,WIFI, 64 eMMC. Ive read that it is possible to run Linux on an Android. Specifically Ubuntu which should mean LMS is possible. Google Linux on Android VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Boom *Kitchen* UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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The non-secure (HTTP) stream for Yoga Chill is at http://radio4.vip-radios.fm:8027/secure-128mp3-YogaChill You should be able to use mysqueezebox.com for this. *RadioFeeds UK & Ireland..* an up-to-date radio directory for your Squeezebox/Transporter/UE Smart Radio.. available from the mysqueezebox.com App Gallery. Bonus: our RadioFeeds LMS plugin also lists AAC *and the BBC's high-quality HLS streams* on top of what's available in our MSB app. -Now with over 1000 registered users-, it's available for Logitech Media Server (and Squeezebox Server, SqueezeCenter and SlimServer). Click for more info: *http://www.radiofeeds.co.uk/squeeze* vinnielo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14510 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Redrum wrote: > you have been given good advice from the senior "go to" :) members here, > but perhaps I can fill a couple gaps. In my mind "mysqueezebox.com" was > developed for "out of the box" operation of the sb devices. However, the > functionality is dwarfed by LMS, even early on. When logitech dropped > the line, mysqueezebox development was dropped, while it remains alive > (as was mentioned) thanks to logitech for legacy functionality. So when > stations started migrating to https, mysqueezebox got less and less > useful. mysqueezebox has other deficiencies that have developed over > time. > > I understand your "play music with the computer off", as I used to run > LMS on a windows machine, and every time I turned the computer off, I > said "hey! what happened to the music??!!" :) > > As @slarti mentioned, using a raspberry pi as an "always on", low cost > (<$50USD), low power server gives you what you are looking for including > ALOT more. I chose to go the picoreplayer route, which is popular here, > but there are others. > > Your touch is still a nice piece of kit, throw $50 at it for a cute > litte rpi server, and if you choose to, add storage (local, network, > etc) to add your library. You won't regret it. Think of it as an "add > on" for your touch to play https if you like. > > There are alot of "how to" threads here we can point you to... > > Jim Which budget version of rastberry pi works best with picoreplayer? verycd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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bpa wrote: > That makes sense. > The "secure" streams comes from the aggregators such as Tune-in and > Radionet and so additional revenue from audio ads. > > The "stream" streams are from the browser page (and possibly Apps) and > so ads can be visual. Good tip. I will try to find out if it is any app that adds ads to Adore Jazz station. verycd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Redrum wrote: > So, my experience (US) - "secure" starts with commercials, "stream" does > not. For what it's worth... That makes sense. The "secure" streams comes from the aggregators such as Tune-in and Radionet and so additional revenue from audio ads. The "stream" streams are from the browser page (and possibly Apps) and so ads can be visual. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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bpa wrote:
> If you're curious, it would be interesting to see what response you get
> the to the following URL - you can enter in a browser such as Chrome or
> Firefox. It shows the URL a browser will use for station 94 - Yoga
> Chill .
> https://www.vip-radios.fm/wp-admin/admin-ajax.php?action=get_station_info=94
>
> The response I get is
> >
Code:
> > {"name":"Yoga
Chill","stream_url":"https:\/\/radio4.vip-radios.fm:18027\/stream-128kmp3-YogaChill","cover":"http:\/\/www.vip-radios.fm\/wp-content\/uploads\/fly-images\/95\/Logo-YogaChill-166x166-c.jpg","favorite":0}
> >
here in the US, your original links (post 15) played with commercials
that were local in nature (i.e. local office for insurance company)
immediately before any music (when played in a browser). I entered the
above chrome, and got the same thing you did. I then extracted
https://radio4.vip-radios.fm:18027//stream-128kmp3-YogaChill played it
in chrome - no commercials, straight to music
So, my experience (US) - "secure" starts with commercials, "stream" does
not. For what it's worth...
Jim
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bpa wrote:
> If you're curious, it would be interesting to see what response you get
> the to the following URL - you can enter in a browser such as Chrome or
> Firefox. It shows the URL a browser will use for station 94 - Yoga
> Chill .
> https://www.vip-radios.fm/wp-admin/admin-ajax.php?action=get_station_info=94
>
> The response I get is
> >
Code:
> > {"name":"Yoga
Chill","stream_url":"https:\/\/radio4.vip-radios.fm:18027\/stream-128kmp3-YogaChill","cover":"http:\/\/www.vip-radios.fm\/wp-content\/uploads\/fly-images\/95\/Logo-YogaChill-166x166-c.jpg","favorite":0}
> >
The response I got is
Code:
{"name":"Yoga
Chill","stream_url":"https:\/\/radio4.vip-radios.fm:18027\/stream-128kmp3-YogaChill","cover":"http:\/\/www.vip-radios.fm\/wp-content\/uploads\/fly-images\/95\/Logo-YogaChill-166x166-c.jpg","favorite":0}
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Thank you for the Radionomy and ShoutCast suggestion. I will definitely explore the possibilities with these apps. Another cretiria for my choosing stations is there must not be any ads. Otherwise I'd rather play music in my storage. It is sad to see Adore Jazz started to play localized ads recently. It used to be my favorite station for vocal jazz. I had to remove it from my favorite list. I am a big fan of repurposing. Wish there was an Android version of LMS so I can use my extra android box which has a powerful enough CPU, 4G RAM, USB, BT,WIFI, 64 eMMC. verycd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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verycd wrote:
> Interesting. The https stream I extracted from the radio website has
> "stream" instead of "secure" in it. The http link is the same just
> without the "s". My stream never plays commercials while I click your
> Yoga Chill links, I hear ads.
If you're curious, it would be interesting to see what response you get
the to the following URL - you can enter in a browser such as Chrome or
Firefox. It shows the URL a browser will use for station 94 - Yoga
Chill .
https://www.vip-radios.fm/wp-admin/admin-ajax.php?action=get_station_info=94
The response I get is
Code:
{"name":"Yoga
Chill","stream_url":"https:\/\/radio4.vip-radios.fm:18027\/stream-128kmp3-YogaChill","cover":"http:\/\/www.vip-radios.fm\/wp-content\/uploads\/fly-images\/95\/Logo-YogaChill-166x166-c.jpg","favorite":0}
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Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
verycd wrote: > Interesting. The https stream I extracted from the radio website has > "stream" instead of "secure" in it. The http link is the same just > without the "s". My stream never plays commercials while I click your > Yoga Chill links, I hear ads. vip-radio.fm URL naming does not follow a consistent pattern - the Yoga https URL has "secure" but the BaySmoothJazz https URL has "stream". Changing the name in the URLs from "secure" to "stream" does not make the "http" URLS playable for me. There is definitely another factor in play - maybe a CDN issue which can be region specific. The presence of ads indicates means a different delivery mechanism and more so if the ads inserted have been tailored to the listeners region. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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bpa wrote: > A pi or a similar is the way to go - all over a better service. > > > Strange. > Changing https to http is the first thing I tried and the http URLs > didn't play for me. There can be other factors in the mix which can > affect http/https support such as country and CDN. > > I tried: > The yoga chill URLs I found are > https://radio4.vip-radios.fm:18027/secure-64kAAC-YogaChill > https://radio4.vip-radios.fm:18027/secure-128mp3-YogaChill > So I tried but they didn't play. > http://radio4.vip-radios.fm:18027/secure-64kAAC-YogaChill > http://radio4.vip-radios.fm:18027/secure-128mp3-YogaChill > > I thought perhaps the non "https" URL might have a different non > "secure" name so another vip-radios URL I tried: > https://radio2.vip-radios.fm:18039/stream-192kmp3-BaySmoothJazz > vs. > http://radio2.vip-radios.fm:18039/stream-192kmp3-BaySmoothJazz > > Again the "http" didn't play. Interesting. The https stream I extracted from the radio website has "stream" instead of "secure" in it. The http link is the same just without the "s". verycd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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toby10 wrote: > Like you I mostly just stream stations via MySB.com. Sadly MySB.com > lacking https support means diminishing returns for playable streams, > but there are still many streams available with no LMS or computer. Try > out the Radionomy and ShoutCast apps on MySB.com which delivers > thousands of MySB.com http streams covering any genre out there. > > ShoutCast even has a bitrate filter feature on MySB.com (thank you > Michael Harger) so you can filter out the lower quality streams. Mine > is set to 192k so any ShoutCast menu selections or searches only show me > streams of 192k or greater (192k thru 320k), and I am presented with > hundreds of selections to choose from. > > It's not going to make your MySB.com usage as valuable as it used to be. > Just offering some MySB.com usage ideas to lesson the pain a bit and > still get some value out of your SB hardware players. +1 A great suggestion for the OP. I had forgotten about the bitrate filter on shoutcast. I remember using it in the past, but had forgotten all about it and occasionally wondered "where was that?" :) Thank you for the reminder! Jim Redrum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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verycd wrote: > Thank you everyone for the help. Since https is not support, guess there > is no way to achieve the origial purpose of the device (for me), which > is to play internet radio stations without keeping a computer on. What a > pity. Indeed, for my use, a retired phone on a stand probably serves > better because it will play all stations. Like you I mostly just stream stations via MySB.com. Sadly MySB.com lacking https support means diminishing returns for playable streams, but there are still many streams available with no LMS or computer. Try out the Radionomy and ShoutCast apps on MySB.com which delivers thousands of MySB.com http streams covering any genre out there. ShoutCast even has a bitrate filter feature on MySB.com (thank you Michael Harger) so you can filter out the lower quality streams. Mine is set to 192k so any ShoutCast menu selections or searches only show me streams of 192k or greater (192k thru 320k), and I am presented with hundreds of selections to choose from. It's not going to make your MySB.com usage as valuable as it used to be. Just offering some MySB.com usage ideas to lesson the pain a bit and still get some value out of your SB hardware players. toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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verycd wrote: > Thank you for all the valuable suggestions to take advantage of the > squeezebox. I have been thinking about the raspberry pi. A pi or a similar is the way to go - all over a better service. > I emailed the radio station (vip-radios.fm) and asked if there was a > http url link that I could use. It turns out simply dropping the "s" is > the solution. I assume other radio stations probably also keep their > older links alive while providing the https to TuneIn. I will certainly > try if I face the same issue again. Strange. Changing https to http is the first thing I tried and the http URLs didn't play for me. There can be other factors in the mix which can affect http/https support such as country and CDN. I tried: The yoga chill URLs I found are https://radio4.vip-radios.fm:18027/secure-64kAAC-YogaChill https://radio4.vip-radios.fm:18027/secure-128mp3-YogaChill So I tried but they didn't play. http://radio4.vip-radios.fm:18027/secure-64kAAC-YogaChill http://radio4.vip-radios.fm:18027/secure-128mp3-YogaChill I thought perhaps the non "https" URL might have a different non "secure" name so another vip-radios URL I tried: https://radio2.vip-radios.fm:18039/stream-192kmp3-BaySmoothJazz vs. http://radio2.vip-radios.fm:18039/stream-192kmp3-BaySmoothJazz Again the "http" didn't play. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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P Nelson wrote: > I use mysqueezbox.com as the server for my SB Radio at my office. I am > currently streaming: https://18423.live.streamtheworld.com/KCBSFM.mp3. > I have no idea why it works since mySB.com is not supposed to support > https. I find some with https radio stations work and others don't. > > Paul IIRC mysqueezebox.com runs a version of LMS 7.7. and it knows that SB hardware players cannot play https streams so mysqueezbox.com substitutes http for https for the user in the hope the stream may play. Michael may be able to confirm this. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
Thank you for all the valuable suggestions to take advantage of the squeezebox. I have been thinking about the raspberry pi. I emailed the radio station (vip-radios.fm) and asked if there was a http url link that I could use. It turns out simply dropping the "s" is the solution. I assume other radio stations probably also keep their older links alive while providing the https to TuneIn. I will certainly try if I face the same issue again. BTW. I clicked the "access your favorite streams as OPML" at the bottom of the "favorites" tab on mysqueezebox.com. Now I can only see the OPML links. I can still add new favorite http links but they will show as OPML below. Is there a way to go back and show all links as URLs? It will be easier to see the https links I put in previously and use "edit" to change them to "http" and see what will happen. verycd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
bpa wrote: > The Touch is about 10 years old and Logitech stopped development for > Squeezboxes about 10 years ago as well. > Logitech maintains the mysqueezbox.com server as a service to existing > users. > The https protocols required by the station are not implemented by the > Touch because they were not developed 10 years ago. You need a local LMS > to implement the https protocols. I use mysqueezbox.com as the server for my SB Radio at my office. I am currently streaming: https://18423.live.streamtheworld.com/KCBSFM.mp3. I have no idea why it works since mySB.com is not supposed to support https. I find some with https radio stations work and others don't. Paul P Nelson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58158 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
verycd wrote: > Thank you everyone for the help. Since https is not support, guess there > is no way to achieve the origial purpose of the device (for me), which > is to play internet radio stations without keeping a computer on. What a > pity. Indeed, for my use, a retired phone on a stand probably serves > better because it will play all stations. you have been given good advice from the senior "go to" :) members here, but perhaps I can fill a couple gaps. In my mind "mysqueezebox.com" was developed for "out of the box" operation of the sb devices. However, the functionality is dwarfed by LMS, even early on. When logitech dropped the line, mysqueezebox development was dropped, while it remains alive (as was mentioned) thanks to logitech for legacy functionality. So when stations started migrating to https, mysqueezebox got less and less useful. mysqueezebox has other deficiencies that have developed over time. I understand your "play music with the computer off", as I used to run LMS on a windows machine, and every time I turned the computer off, I said "hey! what happened to the music??!!" :) As @slarti mentioned, using a raspberry pi as an "always on", low cost (<$50USD), low power server gives you what you are looking for including ALOT more. I chose to go the picoreplayer route, which is popular here, but there are others. Your touch is still a nice piece of kit, throw $50 at it for a cute litte rpi server, and if you choose to, add storage (local, network, etc) to add your library. You won't regret it. Think of it as an "add on" for your touch to play https if you like. There are alot of "how to" threads here we can point you to... Jim Redrum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
verycd wrote: > Thank you everyone for the help. Since https is not support, guess there > is no way to achieve the origial purpose of the device (for me), which > is to play internet radio stations without keeping a computer on. What a > pity. Indeed, for my use, a retired phone on a stand probably serves > better because it will play all stations. The "computer" required to run LMS is similar to a media streamer such as AppleTV, a FireTV or Roku and with a Touch will generally offer better experience (i.e. audio quality, program info such a track artist, bio, covers) than a modern internet radio or repurposed phone. The same LMS can be used to additionally play audio to other devices you may have such as Airplay or UPNP speakers. Unlike a contemporary iPhone / Android, the Touch has a good resale value so do not junk the Touch. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
verycd wrote: > Thank you everyone for the help. Since https is not support, guess there > is no way to achieve the origial purpose of the device (for me), which > is to play internet radio stations without keeping a computer on. What a > pity. Indeed, for my use, a retired phone on a stand probably serves > better because it will play all stations.A Pi makes a very good low power > server. Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
