[slim] Re: Nokia N800
user Thoughtfix has a blog on the 770 800. Here's a link to his must have applications. Follow the links and you will find installation info. Have fun http://thoughtfix.blogspot.com/2006_12_17_archive.html -- TechHome TechHome's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2340 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
This is not exactly a slimdevices forum post, but since everyone here is so friendly, I'm hoping someone can give me a pointer to a resource. I have an N800 and it is a tremendous device, and i'm loving its utility as a SS/SB controller using the Nokia 770 skin. I'm not a Linux guy, and I have stared at the maemo.org site for quite a while, and done numerous searches, and can find no how to walk thru on how to install third party applications in the device. It just ain't intuitive for a non developer, non linux, windows guy. Can anyone help? Just point me to some resources and I'll be off and running. Thanks -- utowana utowana's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4204 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
CNet posted a great review of the Nokia 800: 7.7 out of 10 and called it the ultimate WiFi tablet. Review here: http://reviews.cnet.com/Nokia_N800_Internet_Tablet/4505-3126_7-32309517.html?tag=cnetfd.mt -- mrchrispy mrchrispy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4175 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
Well, after much deliberation I decided to return my N800. I couldn't justify the cost for its limited functionality, and actually find that my Squeezebox useage is more enjoyable when using the included remote. Simply put, it's quicker. Internet surfing was cramped for me on the N800, video playback was crap, Flash video support was crap, and I couldn't get my Dash to work as a modem for it. For $400 USD, I can almost get an inexpensive laptop which has far more functionality. Anyway, at least I tried it! Cheers to all here! -- EnochLight EnochLight's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3392 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
Still no Java? Man, I have Java on my RAZR phone! -- earthbased earthbased's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=334 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
funkstar;173105 Wrote: Do you have Lame installed and available to AlienBBC/Slimserver? RadioIO is already in MP3 (at least i'm pretty sure it is) so SlimServer just send that stream directly to the player. AlienBBC transcodes the RealAudio streams with MPlayer to get them to play. By default it is streamed as FLAC to SB2/3 and WAV to SB1. You need to get it to stream as MP3 to the Nokia Thats what I can't understand - Radioio works fine, Lame is installed on slimserver(6.5 on XP), RTSP set to mp3 only and confirmed when playing stream to Squeezebox3. I've tried bitrate limit of 128kbps, but the N800 media player just sits there. My flac'ed music streams fine which must mean an mp3 conversion Thanks for your reply by the way. -- norman12 norman12's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
Regarding AlienBBC not working on non Squeezebox devices - in this case N800 - this thread may help http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26315 -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
bklaas;173107 Wrote: how about cutting the middleman and streaming BBC directly to the audio player on the N800? Seems like that's the way to go here. Thanks for the reply (and the 770 skin - great stuff) The BBC stream in either Real or Windows media although some of the archived shows are mp3. I may be wrong, but I don't think the N800 can handle these formats on its own. -- norman12 norman12's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
norman12;173423 Wrote: Thanks for the reply (and the 770 skin - great stuff) The BBC stream in either Real or Windows media although some of the archived shows are mp3. I may be wrong, but I don't think the N800 can handle these formats on its own. The N800 should be able to handle Real streams just fine -- Victor I'm against animal testing. They get all nervous and give the wrong answers. Victor's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2181 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
Victor;173424 Wrote: The N800 should be able to handle Real streams just fine Victor, when I navigate to BBC6 and click the listen live (realplayer) button a box comes stating that realplayer is not installed. I have read that the N800 is supposed to handle real streams, but I can't get it to work directly (see below though) Thanks for the link Bpa - it works! bpa;173420 Wrote: Regarding AlienBBC not working on non Squeezebox devices - in this case N800 - this thread may help http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26315 -- norman12 norman12's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
Ok, so the N800 can handle the real stream, just need to click stand alone player! Thanks to all who replied - a case of looking for problems where none exist! -- norman12 norman12's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
The media player on the N770 was a version of RealPlayer - and I guess it is the same for N800. I think you should also try to use the BBC's listen again facility through the browser from the BBC web site. If that works then all AlienBBC facilities are available natively on the N800. -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
bpa;173435 Wrote: The media player on the N770 was a version of RealPlayer - and I guess it is the same for N800. I think you should also try to use the BBC's listen again facility through the browser from the BBC web site. If that works then all AlienBBC facilities are available natively on the N800. Bpa, when I try to open a listen again stream directly the N800 tries to start a Real browser plugin rather than the media player. -- norman12 norman12's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
Doing a quick google - it seems that there is no RealPlayer plugin for the Opera on the N770. I am not familiar with Opera but some browsers let you launch an external player, if a plugin is not available. If this choice is not offered - then you have a reason for using Slimserver/AlienBBC. -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
Bpa, yes, I had a google too - a good reason to stick with the slimserver/alien setup. Using the 770 skin is also a little easier than navigating the BBC website. -- norman12 norman12's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
norman12;172628 Wrote: Has anyone managed to get alien bbc streaming to the N800? Other radio stations work fine (radioio) Do you have Lame installed and available to AlienBBC/Slimserver? RadioIO is already in MP3 (at least i'm pretty sure it is) so SlimServer just send that stream directly to the player. AlienBBC transcodes the RealAudio streams with MPlayer to get them to play. By default it is streamed as FLAC to SB2/3 and WAV to SB1. You need to get it to stream as MP3 to the Nokia -- funkstar funkstar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
norman12;172628 Wrote: Has anyone managed to get alien bbc streaming to the N800? Other radio stations work fine (radioio) how about cutting the middleman and streaming BBC directly to the audio player on the N800? Seems like that's the way to go here. -- bklaas the Nokia770 skin guy bklaas's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
sstatman;171681 Wrote: Something nobody has mentioned is that Nokia will be releasing a full Rhapsody client on the N800 in the next two months or so. And the early adopters (i.e., Nokia 770 owners) - what is our fate re: Rhapsody client?? I'm not feeling the love on this one!! -- atlslim atlslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3054 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
Has anyone managed to get alien bbc streaming to the N800? Other radio stations work fine (radioio) -- norman12 norman12's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800 fast forward through MP3 files
NauticusLX;171593 Wrote: Can this device, which appears to be compatible with the SqueezeBox, fast forward through large mp3 files? I'm talking about mp3 files on the N800 device itself, and is there a way to QUICKLY fast forward, or go directly to randomly chosen parts of the mp3 file? Any users of the N800 out there know about this? Yes. Grab and drag the progress slider to where you want it. Couldn't be much easier. -- 4mula1 4mula1's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3439 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31830 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
very well done and positive review of the N800 in mobilecrunch. http://mobilecrunch.com/2007/01/18/nokia-n800-a-real-world-review-after-one-months-use/ This little snippet was of particular interest to people in this forum: 'The instant-on capability of the device makes it ideal for ad-hoc, spontaneous use whereas even resuming a lap-top from stand-by seems to take a lifetime by comparison.' translation: this is a much better slimserver remote than the 770 I have great respect for any gadget reviewer that uses the device for a month before writing up their impressions. Amazing how many crap reviews are posted because the reviewer clearly had unboxed it an hour before writing the article. Nice to see someone still doing their job in the tech press. cheers, #!/ben -- bklaas the Nokia770 skin guy bklaas's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
Moving right along ... the 4GB SD card limit (not 2GB per Nokia specs) may already be yesterday's news. One poster on the Internet Tablet Talk site reports success patching the OS with SDHC support from the mainstream Linux kernel. Keep in mind, less than 2 weeks have passed since the product launch. Long live open source! -- jpj jpj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1564 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
I am very excited my N800 is one it's way from the states with an obliging work colleague. I am curious whether anybody has had any success with the 4gb SD cards that are around. I know Nokia says 2gb is the limit but with most of \their devices the limit is usually bendable. Can't wait to fire this puppy up and check out Bens 770 skin, roll on Monday. -- mattybain '[image: http://imagegen.last.fm/recenttracks3/recenttracks/MattyBain.gif]' (http://www.last.fm/user/MattyBain/?chartstyle=recenttracks3) mattybain's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
mattybain;171598 Wrote: I am curious whether anybody has had any success with the 4gb SD cards that are around. I know Nokia says 2gb is the limit but with most of their devices the limit is usually bendable. I'm currently using two Transcend 4GB SD cards (TS4GSD150) successfully in the N800, for a total of slightly under 8GB removable storage. But there are a few gotchas: Make sure you buy regular SD cards, not SDHC high capacity which do *NOT* work at this time. 4GB cards exist in both flavors, so the difference is crucial. 8GB and future higher capacities (up to 32GB under the spec) will always be SDHC as well. Linux kernel support for SDHC has recently become available, so there is good reason to expect it will be ported to the N800 in the foreseeable future. (With the original Nokia 770, 2GB RS-MMC support arrived via a similar midlife upgrade.) If your need for maxed-out storage is not immediate, you might want to monitor www.internettablettalk.com for new developments on this front. Also, it's doubtful whether high speed or ultra speed cards (like the 150X models noted above) will perform any better than normal speed (e.g., Transcend TS4GSDC) in this device. Crude benchmarks suggest that the N800 clocks its SD slots at 25MHz, not the 50MHz required for higher transfer rates. Given this constraint and the expected addition of SDHC support in the near future, normal speed cards might be the smarter choice today. Finally, if your intended usage involves large numbers of very small files (such as maps for GPS navigation), I _strongly_ recommend reformatting the SD card with smaller clusters. This can be done over the USB connection to a Windows PC, as well as Linux console tools. My cards came preformatted as FAT32 with 32KB clusters, which is extremely inefficient for this particular application. For a concrete example, the open source Maemo Mapper works with downloaded maps from various sources, including Google Maps. It stitches the display from 256x256 pixel tiles in PNG format (streets) or JPG (topo). At the largest scale (zoom level 15), a 4x4 grid (16 tiles) covers the globe. Each successive level zooms in by a factor of 2, needing 4 times as many tiles to cover a given area. The most detailed PNG tiles take roughly 50KB each, but the average is much lower, with a lower bound of 103 bytes for featureless areas such as open water. Most users amass a collection of large scale maps for large areas, amplified by smaller scales for specific areas or individual routes. Full global coverage at zoom levels 10 - 15 comprises 21,840 files, totaling 32.2MB at this time (subject to change as the database evolves). With the default 32KB FAT32 clusters, these files occupy 684MB on the 4GB flash card: over 95% wasted space! Reformatting with 1KB FAT32 clusters slashed the allocation to 48.5MB, or a 14X improvement in storage density. A 2GB SD card could do even better with 512 byte clusters (the FAT32 minimum), but this option is unavailable for 4GB and larger partitions. The downside to reformatting is reduced throughput, since the allocation units become smaller than the internal block size of the flash device. So cards intended for larger files such as audio, video or photos should be left at the factory format. -- jpj jpj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1564 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
Something nobody has mentioned is that Nokia will be releasing a full Rhapsody client on the N800 in the next two months or so. It's built over the same technology as the Squeezebox integration with Rhapsody. So basically : Use your Nokia as a remote to control your Squeezebox. Use your Nokia as a portable player when in wifi range. 3.5 million tracks on your Squeezebox or in the palm of your hand, all you can eat. -- sstatman Let Your Music Discover You http://www.rhapsody.com sstatman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9603 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
gusi;170766 Wrote: Is the N800 going to be avaiable in Australia and Asia? Or Canada, for that matter? Although we can get it indirectly through tigerdirect.ca, which is just a Canadian web storefront for tigerdirect.com (US). The price looks bad, but it's a $30 premium over straight exchange - which is at least what you'd pay in duties. Now that I can get it without having to import it my interest is fueled. Can't afford it as a Slim Devices remote, so it would have to be multipurpose. I'd love to be able to use it as an auto GPS along with Maemo Mapper but (a) my Dell Axim X31 is still working fine for this and (b) I can't figure out how Maemo Mapper gets its maps! It uses JPGs from Google Maps or something? -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
Mark Lanctot;171216 Wrote: I can't figure out how Maemo Mapper gets its maps! It uses JPGs from Google Maps or something? Actually the Google Maps files are .PNG format even though Maemo Mapper saves them with a .JPG extension. MM works with street and topo maps from Google, USGS topography from Terraserver, and other compatible sources. Check the www.internettablettalk.com forums. You can keep multiple libraries stored and switch among them. There's a built-in interface for downloading maps in advance by area (latitude/longitude range) or route, at user specified zoom levels. With a mobile data connection, you can also download automatically on the fly. Way cool... this is a killer app! -- jpj jpj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1564 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
jpj;171225 Wrote: Actually the Google Maps files are .PNG format even though Maemo Mapper saves them with a .JPG extension. MM works with street and topo maps from Google, USGS topography from Terraserver, and other compatible sources. Check the www.internettablettalk.com forums. You can keep multiple libraries stored and switch among them. There's a built-in interface for downloading maps in advance by area (latitude/longitude range) or route, at user specified zoom levels. With a mobile data connection, you can also download automatically on the fly. Way cool... this is a killer app! I like the idea that the maps are always current. However I've got to see how many maps I'd have to download for, say, a 6-hour trip. It'll depend on the resolution it needs, but at street-level resolution it would take hundreds of maps and GB of storage space. If it was highway-level, with detailed street-level at the origin and destination, it may be workable. However you're screwed if you get lost and don't have a street-level map of that particular area... The mobile data connection is useless here. There just aren't that many unsecured wireless connections to always guarantee you have one, and there are very few community-wide wireless projects in the works here. The ones that are aren't free and require logging into a web page. As this is getting OT, I'll look elsewhere if I want to investigate further. Thanks. -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
Mark Lanctot;171236 Wrote: I've got to see how many maps I'd have to download for, say, a 6-hour trip. It'll depend on the resolution it needs, but at street-level resolution it would take hundreds of maps and GB of storage space. I suspect you're overestimating the storage requirements. I'm populating a big SD card right now and will have a better grasp on data density shortly. -- jpj jpj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1564 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
jpj, I've owned a SqueezeBox since the week before Christmas, and am thrilled with it. When you say the N800 makes for a great SB controller, do you mean it can be used as a remote control for the SqueezeBox (2 remotes would be more useful than 1, I admit), or because it allows you to access the SqueezeNetwork website via Opera on the N800, such as for rearranging favorite radio stations, or to paste urls from the N800 radio app into the favorites page? Also, what's your primary use of the N800, if you don't mind my asking? -- NauticusLX NauticusLX's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8981 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
NauticusLX, the Nokia 770 skin for SlimServer has certainly sold more than a few 770s and N800s. Have you tried it yet? Just punch this URL into your N800 browser, then bookmark it: http://your-slimserver-host-ip:9000/Nokia770/ You get all the extra functionality (and eye candy) of the web interface, and don't have to worry about line-of-sight. I have two Squeezeboxes and can control both from wherever I am. That's really the application that originally put the 770 on my personal radar. I also have a Palm T5 for PDA functions and MP3 portability, and a RAZR V3m phone that can do some of the same things in a half-hearted way. Still, the RAZR fits so easily into a pocket (no belt clip, thanks) that mostly I use its calendar and leave the Palm home. Verizon's Mobile Web and VCAST whetted my appetite for Internet on the go, but the low res screen is rather limiting. Armed with a couple 4GB SD cards, the N800 can carry an extensive music library and plenty of maps for the Maemo Mapper program (and Bluetooth GPS receiver). It finally makes coat pocket web browsing a reality, and with a Bluetooth keyboard will probably move a lot of my email handling away from the desktop. I expect to migrate from the Palm to open source alternatives, retiring that device. Essentially, I'll be using the N800 more like a modular laptop in a PDA form factor. Beyond all that, as a professional software developer I'm really attracted to the N800 as a target for new applications, based on its ultra portable aspects and the open source paradigm. It's always fun to mix business and pleasure. -- jpj jpj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1564 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
Enoch, where did you buy it? I tried to buy one last night, at CompUSA in the DC area, but they said they weren't on sale yet. Maybe I should buy it from the Nokia website. -- NauticusLX NauticusLX's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8981 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
I bought mine from TigerDirect. In stock and I had it the next day shipped ground. I didn't care for the shipping price, but I'm sure Nokia would've charged me shipping and taken longer to arrive. -- 4mula1 4mula1's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3439 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
NauticusLX, I got mine from CompUSA. Although their website doesn't show any, I called them and they said they that had 4 in stock at my local retail store (Dearborn/Detroit, MI). I like the technology, and I've been playing with it since last night. It's pretty cool as a Squeezebox remote using Ben's 770 skin, but the amazement for me isn't as much since I've used my PSP in a similar fashion (minus the touch screen) for quite some time now. I'm on the fence whether or not I will keep this. CompUSA claims a 21-day return policy with no restocking fee, so I'll give it another week or two before I decide. Here's the two main reasons: 1. It's pretty nifty and all, but web browsing isn't quite as convenient as I thought it would be. It works a ton better than my PSP ever did in WiFi hotspots, but it's still a little awkward. You absolutely have to use the stylus to do any amount of accurate touch navigation - unless you have twig-fingers. ;-P Also, although it supports Flash and has Opera, sites like Youtube are absolutely useless on the N800. Video playback is choppy and unwatchable, and this over a 802.11G wireless network! 2. The deal-breaker for me is that I cannot get it to work with my T-Mobile Dash as a Bluetooth modem. I was hoping it would have expanded my Internet surfing by this method, as my Dash - although an awesome smartphone - is still limited buy its screen size when surfing the web. I can get both devices to see eachother, and supposedly sync - but whenever I try to get my N800 to execute the phone as a modem, it fails. Of course, T-Mobile tech support is about as helpful as a canker sore, and I've not had much luck getting a hold of Nokia for advice. Anyone else try pairing a T-Mobile Dash + N800 for a Bluetooth modem? On another note, I was able to get it to recognize my PC as a media server via Windows Media Player 11's Media Connect. Streamed mp3's without issue. Kinda cool. Video streaming wasn't as successful, and caused the N800 to lock-up forcing me to shut it down. I'm not sure if this was the files that it was attempting to play or what.. *shrugs* I should also point out that the demo video file that came with it, a Nokia camcorder commercial with Gary Oldman, had slight choppy playback. I don't remember the Iceage demo video on the 770 having this problem. You can see how it *should* look at the Youtube link below. My N800 doesn't playback quite as smooth (I'm talking frame-rate here; image quality is superb). Any other N800 owners out there notice this? Cheers! Nokia N800 video demo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G25HUO6KFNY -- EnochLight EnochLight's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3392 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Enoch: I can tether my N800 with my Siemens SX1 and SL75 on T-Mo with my grandfathered $2.99 T-Zones G. Checking howardforums it looks like the dash isn't easy to tether with. Try this thread http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1034262page=2pp=15highlight=tether+dash Post 24 looks relevant. Do a search there in the T-Mobile (and child) forum(s) and you may find what you need. What data plan do you have? -- 4mula1 4mula1's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3439 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Hey thanks for the info. Looks like that post only applies to using your Dash with an actual PC; doesn't help me. However, I'll poke around those forums - thanks again. My data plan through T-Mobile is T-Mobile Total Internet. -- EnochLight EnochLight's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3392 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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I've read some posts that the dash doesn't support DUN, which is means you can't tether with it. Maybe there's a way, but you should be on the right track now. -- 4mula1 4mula1's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3439 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
EnochLight, have you tried moving your SqueezeBox radio favorites onto your N800? Are the urls compatible? How's the sound coming out of the N800 stereo speakers? Do you have to be next to the device to enjoy the sound? Do you have to be in a silent room to enjoy the sound, or is enjoy even the right word? Is there a tone control for the sound, or jazz/rock/voice presets or equilizer options? I'm hoping that if I use it as a bedside alarm clock and I'm in bed next to it that the sound will be enjoyable to some degree - is this a reasonable expectation? And if I get up and cross the room, can I still enjoy the sound, or is there noticeable falloff as one walks away from it? I'd appreciate your comments. -- NauticusLX NauticusLX's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8981 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
Is the N800 going to be avaiable in Australia and Asia? For some obscure reason we have to import them ourselves from Europe or the US. -- gusi gusi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3801 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
NauticusLX;170046 Wrote: I imagine the N800 replacing my regular radio/alarm clock, while I slumber off with Cafe Cody (Myorca, Spain) lulling me to sleep. Is this possible? This may be what you want - it's a media player for the 770/800 thatdoes Internet radio as well as local media: http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS7980185689.html Also the app is UPnP compliant, so can play music off NAS devices that are also compliant with UPnP. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
jpj, rest assured there is an alarm clock, with snooze, on the Nokia N800. It's easily accessible in, I believe, the Utilities menu, as in the Nokia 770. Don't be hassled by 3rd party software when it's built-in. -- NauticusLX NauticusLX's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8981 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
So many people seem to have the Nokia N800 already! I was at CompUSA last night, but they only had a floor model with no inventory for sale. Or is the clerk holding them for his favorite customers... What's going on? -- NauticusLX NauticusLX's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8981 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
Another question about the onboard media player of the Nokia N800: when I'm playing an mp3 file, is there a way to fast forward, or jump ahead, like, an hour or so quickly? I record long radio shows (in mp3) and need to get to the point where I last left off in a reasonable amount of time. -- NauticusLX NauticusLX's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8981 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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jpj, thanks for the tip on the oboe music repository, found at mp3tunes.com.This is truly a convergence of technologies. This is a great time to be alive. Really, this internet thing is so great! With things like the SqueezeBox, Nokia N800, and oboe music repository around, not to mention a broadband wireless connection, all of which have matured quite nicely, I wonder how long it will take before the typical rack stereo system, popularized back in the 70's, will continue to exist - the furniture alone needed to house these systems can be over $1,000. I shudder to think I just bought a new stereo receiver for $300, my other one having died after about 25 years but which I need to record some exclusive content on Sirius which can't be reliably obtained through online sources. The times they are a changin, and I think for the better! -- NauticusLX NauticusLX's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8981 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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jpj (or anybody else), do you use the Oboe music archive? Is it possible to play tracks randomly, or some subset of music tracks randomly? Since learning that I could convert my entire CD collection to mp3 files, it'd be cool if I could have tracks play randomly from the entire archive of CD's, OR just from a subset of chosen CD's. Is this possible, using Oboe (or any other device or service)? -- NauticusLX NauticusLX's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8981 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
Well, I decided to take the plunge and drop the $399 necessary to pick an N800 up. It's charging right now, but I'm looking forward to playing with it during the season premier of Rome tonight. ;-) Anyone know how long this should take to fully charge? Can the current 770 owners share how long theirs takes? -- EnochLight EnochLight's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3392 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
NauticusLX;170231 Wrote: jpj, rest assured there is an alarm clock, with snooze, on the Nokia N800. It's easily accessible in, I believe, the Utilities menu, as in the Nokia 770. Don't be hassled by 3rd party software when it's built-in. Right you are. I never had a 770 so I'm still getting used to the UI, missing some obvious stuff. And I'm happy using the Squeezebox as my bedroom music/alarm system, but the N800 will come in handy that way on the road. -- jpj jpj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1564 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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EnochLight;170330 Wrote: Anyone know how long this should take to fully charge? Like most LIons, roughly 2 or 3 hours - depending on far it's discharged. Actually there's a decent partial charge even when you unbox it. How do I know? I had mine up and running before I left the CompUSA parking lot. Naw, I'm no fanatic, not me... LOL -- jpj jpj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1564 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
NauticusLX;170046 Wrote: Let's have some DETAILS of your experiences using the N800 with your Slim Devices. Will the N800 run SoftSqueeze? I'd like to access (and play) my internet radio favorites on the N800. Is this possible? It does have stereo speakers I hear. I imagine the N800 replacing my regular radio/alarm clock, while I slumber off with Cafe Cody (Myorca, Spain) lulling me to sleep. Is this possible? Those are good questions, but given the Java overhead involved with SoftSqueeze and the fact that the Nokia is a web tablet, wouldn't it be more direct just to stream from the Cafe Cody web page? Unless, of course, there's no suitable media player for the stream on the Nokia, which would be surprising. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
There is no Java on the Nokia N800, hence no Softsqueeze. But there is an Internet radio applet on the standard Home desktop, plus a decent media player for local files, fancier open source players to download, and third party support (Oboe) for a free personal web music repository. I haven't found an alarm clock in the shipped configuration, but again you can probably take your pick from the online freeware catalogue. The stereo speakers won't win any awards, but they are tolerable, a quality upgrade from the monophonic Nokia 770. You could also connect external powered speakers through the headphone jack. Both the unit itself and the supplied earbuds include a mike for internet phone calls, and of course there's the webcam. More A/V toys than I'm likely to use. -- jpj jpj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1564 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
jpj;169145 Wrote: Better check again and figure out what you really saw before jumping to conclusions. Good advice. I'll revoke my statement until further investigation. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
I just got my N800 and it's pretty cool. We don't have any WiFi at work so it's home for lunch today. I guess that's when my wife will find out I bought it... As far as the screen protector goes, it really is difficult to see. Nokia put an additional adhesive tab on the front to aid in removing it. Mine came off without a problem. I can't wait to get home and point it at SlimServer... -- 4mula1 4mula1's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3439 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
Re the OS on the N800 - it is a new version and not backwards compatible. i.e. OS 2007 does not run on N770. The different processor was reported as the key reason. I have also seen comments that some of the apps are making serious use of the extra power and would be way to sluggish for N770. I'm sure that, once the source is out, there will be a community effort to get it working on N770 or to backport the best new bits into OS 2006. Three is also a developers program - 500 units available at $100 (I think). I also had a play on one at CompUSA - and it certainly did feel generally faster than my 770. Paul -- Paul Webster Paul Webster http://www.lastfm.com/user/BondJamesBond Paul Webster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=105 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
jpj;168876 Wrote: Here's the Texas Instruments spec sheet for the OMAP 2420: http://dspvillage.ti.com/pdfs/omap2architecture.pdf Excellent, thanks for that. Looks like full screen video should be a reality on that device then. There is an Imaging Video Accelerator and a 2D/3D Graphics Accelerator which would both help. The processor can be scaled up to 1ghz, but by the looks of things the IVA is outside the main processor block, so might run at the same speed whatever the core clock. -- funkstar funkstar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
ron thigpen;168315 Wrote: The new proc looks to have a DSP, and real hardware FPU (very useful for A/V codecs) and posts (notably bogus, and a single test, but...) BogoMIPS of 320.37 vs 125.76 from the 770. Now that is interesting. Especially when another new feature is uPnP client support :) I think i read on Engadget (or somewhere similar) of a speed doubling of the CPU, i thought they just meant clock rate, but a full CPU replacement makes sense. I guess Nokia realised that people want to use this for more than just Web Tablet functions, such as media playback. So a real FPU is definitely a massive boost. Any ideas what DSP functions are available? Hardware MPEG-2/4 acceleration? Video scaling? both of those would make a massive difference to the usability as media device. -- funkstar funkstar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
funkstar;168868 Wrote: Any ideas what DSP functions are available? Hardware MPEG-2/4 acceleration? Video scaling? both of those would make a massive difference to the usability as media device. Here's the Texas Instruments spec sheet for the OMAP 2420: http://dspvillage.ti.com/pdfs/omap2architecture.pdf -- jpj jpj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1564 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
Spotted an 800 in the wild (compUsa). The first thing that caught my attention were scratches on the display. After attempting to rub the marks off to no avail, I lightly scraped the display with my thumbnail and sure enough it was permanently marked. I do mean lightly too. They had the 770 next to it, which seems to have a glass coating. Scratching this one hard left no mark. Unless it was a lot faster with slimserver, I would probably go with the 770 for durability alone. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
I'd say there's a strong chance those scratches were in the protective film covering the display, which would ordinarily be removed by the consumer. As shipped, there's an obvious adhesive tab intended to lift the film, which on my unit merely separated itself, leaving the film intact. Only *very* close inspection revealed the edge, which I then lifted with a fingernail. Although the film is very thin and very transparent, I wouldn't expect it to be as durable as the aftermarket screen protectors sold for PDAs and similar devices. Scratches on it wouldn't surprise me at all. Better check again and figure out what you really saw before jumping to conclusions. If you're still worried about durability, there's always the (disposable) aftermarket protector sheet. -- jpj jpj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1564 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
TCM;168648 Wrote: I've attached a pdf describing Navigation Kit for Nokia N800 Internet Tablet. For those who don't want to wait, or want a less expensive solution, or love open source *grin*, or all of the above, there's another option. How about an ultra-cool Bluetooth GPS receiver (street price $80 US)... http://www.semsons.com/ibhiseaublgp.html ...coupled with a full featured mapping/GPS app designed from scratch for the Nokia 770 (free): http://gnuite.com:8080/nokia770/maemo-mapper/ Apparently this combination works well on the Nokia N770 right now. N800 users will have to wait a bit longer while the author rebuilds for the 2007-OS target, as required by changes in the Bluetooth stack. I'm personally unlikely to spend hundreds on the Nokia branded solution (list 199 Euros), but for small change and some tweaking, my money's on the little guys. -- jpj jpj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1564 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
I got my N800 yesterday ($399 at CompUSA), and WOW, haven't been so impressed in the bang-for-the-buck category since, well, the Squeezebox. Obviously the Nokia770 skin is the balls (thanks, Ben!) and although I don't have the older model for direct comparison, popular opinion suggests the next-gen processor has made a big difference in performance beyond mere MHz. The dual memory slots certainly are a capacity bonanza. Developers can even set up a simple multiboot system by swapping cards in the internal slot after setting the config to start preferentially start from an ext2 or ext3 partition if present. If the maemo PDA apps are any good, I'll probably be dumping my Palm T5, whose display now looks unacceptably crude by comparison. -- jpj jpj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1564 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Nokia N800
A quick hands-on with the N800 from AnandTech: Overall, the unit feels like a big improvement over the 770. When I reviewed the older unit, I found it to be slow and underpowered. In contrast, the N800 feels much more responsive. The faster CPU, doubled RAM, and new OS (Internet Tablet 2007 OS) appear to have made a big difference, especially when it comes to multitasking. http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070109-8575.html --rt ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
ron thigpen;168603 Wrote: A quick hands-on with the N800 from AnandTech: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070109-8575.html --rt This hands-on review reports a big increase in performance. Also: GPS functionality when used with the Nokia Navigation Kit, whatever that is. Intriguing. Skype client coming this year (gizmo already works well on the 770, but Skype is what the masses want) they've certainly piqued my interest... #!/ben -- bklaas the Nokia770 skin guy bklaas's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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bklaas;168642 Wrote: This hands-on review reports a big increase in performance. Also: GPS functionality when used with the Nokia Navigation Kit, whatever that is. Intriguing. Skype client coming this year (gizmo already works well on the 770, but Skype is what the masses want) they've certainly piqued my interest... #!/ben Test of 'Navigation Kit for the Nokia 770' (http://www.advogato.org/person/pycage/diary.html?start=46). I've attached a pdf describing Navigation Kit for Nokia N800 Internet Tablet. Just un-zip it. +---+ |Filename: Navigation Kit for Nokia N800 Internet Tablet.zip| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2239| +---+ -- TCM http://www.last.fm/user/ThisCharmingMan/ TCM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=702 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
bklaas;168642 Wrote: they've certainly piqued my interest... #!/ben sure, but it would mean you have to rename the skin ;) -kdf -- kdf kdf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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kdf;168660 Wrote: sure, but it would mean you have to rename the skin ;) -kdf what should I call it? RootOfAllEvil? I see your ;) and raise you a :-P But seriously...nice post on the Nav kit, TCM. Since I work from home and rarely drive anywhere (thankfully), I'm not sure it's that useful to me, but then gadget lust is not always only about utility. The thing that jumped out about your summary of the kit was that you can't simultaneously charge the 770/800 and the GPS unit. Bwaaa? That's truly lame, considering its intended purpose. cheers, #!/ben -- bklaas the Nokia770 skin guy bklaas's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
I could not wait and purchased one of the two units delivered to my local CompUSA. Up and running as soon as the battery was charged. Not familiar with the Nokia770 skin, but it loaded right up and I'm off and running controlling my desktop/winamp/slimserver combo (thanks for the WIKI entry). Next step is to control the SB in my living room from my dining room. Now, my wife cannot deny me a second SB for the bedroom. My goal is to never have to move. Way to go guys. Very cool. Planning on a serious play session tonight. -- utowana utowana's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4204 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
bklaas;168675 Wrote: The thing that jumped out about your summary of the kit was that you can't simultaneously charge the 770/800 and the GPS unit. Since both units share the same connector and power specs, it shouldn't be difficult to graft an extra plug onto the car charger cable, assuming you don't want to use two chargers with a 2-in-1 dashboard adapter. -- jpj jpj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1564 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
bklaas;168232 Wrote: I'm certainly not going to be rushing out to purchase one of these, but if one landed in my lap I'd be pretty psyched. Perhaps you'd be eligible for the Maemo Developer Device Program (http://www.maemo.org/). ;-) (For developers porting applications to Maemo, I guess - shame.) -- NigelMSB NigelMSB's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1302 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
I'm happy with my 770. (I wonder how long that'll last ... ) -- Fifer Fifer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=639 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
Official Nokia information: www.nseries.com/n800 -- sbjaerum sbjaerum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=237 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
The official Nokia flash thingy didn't really show anything that the 770 can't do. My guess is that it would require a hands-on to really get a feel for whether big improvements had been made performance-wise. Screen res is the same, and Opera 8 is still the browser (the OS package in its entirety is likely to be the same), so the Nokia770 skin will work the same on this device. So, digest of improvements: 2 memory card slots, and they are SD instead of RS-MMC. Some users report success with 4GB SD cards. That's fantastic--it means you could beef it up to 8GB of storage, making it worthy of both PMP and/or decent mp3 storage. I use my 770 on trips to store and watch videos (it works *great* for this, although you have to reformat the video to a res the 770 can handle). The 770 supports a 1GB RS-MMC card, which gives me about 5 hours of content. I'd love to boost that by 8x. Integrated webcam. Kind of cool, but I can't imagine I'd have much use of this. To video conference with all my friends with N800s? Unlikely. I don't want them to see me pickin' goobers anyway. Increased CPU, from 220 to 320Mhz. This may be nice, but I think the real performance upgrades on this platform needed are in WiFi and battery life. Increased on-board flash memory from 128 to 256. That was definitely needed. Built-in stereo speakers, replacing built-in mono of 770. This one also matters naught to me--if you want to hear decent audio on this platform you need headphones plugged in. Built-in kickstand. This probably costs Nokia next to nothing in cost, but it's probably the feature upgrade I'm most pleased to see. Sometimes it's the little things that make the biggest difference. Nice to see Nokia continuing to develop on this platform. I don't really get a clear vision of how well the internet tablet thing is going for them-- there are still a lot of people porting open source stuff on to maemo.org, but I've quit looking at the main forum for 770 users, internettablettalk, because it's largely garbage and doesn't have the kind of interesting discussions you'd hope (compared to this forum, which is wildly successful, if a little contentious lately). I'm certainly not going to be rushing out to purchase one of these, but if one landed in my lap I'd be pretty psyched. cheers, #!/ben -- bklaas the Nokia770 skin guy bklaas's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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I would love to see the page but arghh!, Flash7. Logitech should make one of these things, but I guess it's a PC moreso than peripheral. I bought my girlfriend a 32 LCD HDTV with tuner for $500, so there's a margin to be made :-) -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
Skunk;168235 Wrote: I would love to see the page but arghh!, Flash7. Skunk-- that statement makes me think you are a linux guy. You might want to check out the Flash 9 beta that's now available for linux-- http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer9/ I had to jump through some ugly hoops to make this work on my Gentoo system, but it should probably work well on a more widespread Linux distro like Fedora/SuSe/Ubuntu. cheers, #!/ben -- bklaas the Nokia770 skin guy bklaas's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Nokia N800
Skunk wrote: I would love to see the page but arghh!, Flash7. Yeah, me too. R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
bklaas;168236 Wrote: Skunk-- that statement makes me think you are a linux guy. Thanks Ben, I actually use windoze. It wouldn't load for me initially so I searched the Web and saw someone blogging that they couldn't see the site on their Nokia due to Flash7. It loaded last time w/ the same link, where it was freezing mozilla before, so either the server was busy or Flash loaded itself into my browser. This is the link that ended up showing up http://web.nseries.com/products/n800/#l=products,n800 -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Nokia N800
bklaas wrote: Increased CPU, from 220 to 320Mhz. This may be nice, but I think the real performance upgrades on this platform needed are in WiFi and battery life. You might not want to discount the CPU speed bump just based on the MHz diff. I haven't seen the CPU model number posted, but apparently it's a new class that isn't directly comparable in a MIPS-to-MHz fashion. Perhaps OMAP2420 in the N800 instead of OMAP1710 in the 770. The new proc looks to have a DSP, and real hardware FPU (very useful for A/V codecs) and posts (notably bogus, and a single test, but...) BogoMIPS of 320.37 vs 125.76 from the 770. The upshot being that between the CPU and memory bumps the new device could be significantly, noticeably, usefully faster than the 770. I know I'm curious enough to head down to the local CompUSA for a test drive. See: http://thoughtfix.blogspot.com/2007/01/critical-question-answered-yes-n800-is.html http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-January/006812.html --rt ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
bklaas;168232 Wrote: The official Nokia flash thingy didn't really show anything that the 770 can't do. My guess is that it would require a hands-on to really get a feel for whether big improvements had been made performance-wise. Screen res is the same, and Opera 8 is still the browser (the OS package in its entirety is likely to be the same), so the Nokia770 skin will work the same on this device. So, digest of improvements: 2 memory card slots, and they are SD instead of RS-MMC. Some users report success with 4GB SD cards. That's fantastic--it means you could beef it up to 8GB of storage, making it worthy of both PMP and/or decent mp3 storage. I use my 770 on trips to store and watch videos (it works *great* for this, although you have to reformat the video to a res the 770 can handle). The 770 supports a 1GB RS-MMC card, which gives me about 5 hours of content. I'd love to boost that by 8x. Integrated webcam. Kind of cool, but I can't imagine I'd have much use of this. To video conference with all my friends with N800s? Unlikely. I don't want them to see me pickin' goobers anyway. Increased CPU, from 220 to 320Mhz. This may be nice, but I think the real performance upgrades on this platform needed are in WiFi and battery life. Increased on-board flash memory from 128 to 256. That was definitely needed. Built-in stereo speakers, replacing built-in mono of 770. This one also matters naught to me--if you want to hear decent audio on this platform you need headphones plugged in. Built-in kickstand. This probably costs Nokia next to nothing in cost, but it's probably the feature upgrade I'm most pleased to see. Sometimes it's the little things that make the biggest difference. Nice to see Nokia continuing to develop on this platform. I don't really get a clear vision of how well the internet tablet thing is going for them-- there are still a lot of people porting open source stuff on to maemo.org, but I've quit looking at the main forum for 770 users, internettablettalk, because it's largely garbage and doesn't have the kind of interesting discussions you'd hope (compared to this forum, which is wildly successful, if a little contentious lately). I'm certainly not going to be rushing out to purchase one of these, but if one landed in my lap I'd be pretty psyched. cheers, #!/ben Well, I can't do much, but I would be willing to kickstart an N800 fund for Ben :-) I tried this earlier with another developer to get Slimserver integrated with the FreeNAS project, but the work never got done and he refunded my money. In appreciation for the work on the 770 skin that Ben has done, I will be the first to drop $30 USD into a Paypal account, working towards the $399 USD the N800 costs. Thoughts? -- boerner boerner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3601 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
boerner;168343 Wrote: In appreciation for the work on the 770 skin that Ben has done, I will be the first to drop $30 USD into a Paypal account, working towards the $399 USD the N800 costs. Thoughts? I'm in if you set up the account (possibly only $20 though, I don't use the skin ATM :) -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Nokia N800
boerner wrote: bklaas;168232 Wrote: The official Nokia flash thingy didn't really show anything that the 770 can't do. My guess is that it would require a hands-on to really get a feel for whether big improvements had been made performance-wise. Screen res is the same, and Opera 8 is still the browser (the OS package in its entirety is likely to be the same), so the Nokia770 skin will work the same on this device. So, digest of improvements: 2 memory card slots, and they are SD instead of RS-MMC. Some users report success with 4GB SD cards. That's fantastic--it means you could beef it up to 8GB of storage, making it worthy of both PMP and/or decent mp3 storage. I use my 770 on trips to store and watch videos (it works *great* for this, although you have to reformat the video to a res the 770 can handle). The 770 supports a 1GB RS-MMC card, which gives me about 5 hours of content. I'd love to boost that by 8x. Integrated webcam. Kind of cool, but I can't imagine I'd have much use of this. To video conference with all my friends with N800s? Unlikely. I don't want them to see me pickin' goobers anyway. Increased CPU, from 220 to 320Mhz. This may be nice, but I think the real performance upgrades on this platform needed are in WiFi and battery life. Increased on-board flash memory from 128 to 256. That was definitely needed. Built-in stereo speakers, replacing built-in mono of 770. This one also matters naught to me--if you want to hear decent audio on this platform you need headphones plugged in. Built-in kickstand. This probably costs Nokia next to nothing in cost, but it's probably the feature upgrade I'm most pleased to see. Sometimes it's the little things that make the biggest difference. Nice to see Nokia continuing to develop on this platform. I don't really get a clear vision of how well the internet tablet thing is going for them-- there are still a lot of people porting open source stuff on to maemo.org, but I've quit looking at the main forum for 770 users, internettablettalk, because it's largely garbage and doesn't have the kind of interesting discussions you'd hope (compared to this forum, which is wildly successful, if a little contentious lately). I'm certainly not going to be rushing out to purchase one of these, but if one landed in my lap I'd be pretty psyched. cheers, #!/ben Well, I can't do much, but I would be willing to kickstart an N800 fund for Ben :-) I tried this earlier with another developer to get Slimserver integrated with the FreeNAS project, but the work never got done and he refunded my money. In appreciation for the work on the 770 skin that Ben has done, I will be the first to drop $30 USD into a Paypal account, working towards the $399 USD the N800 costs. Hey, You could give me money towards an N800 too :) R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Nokia N800
Thanks for the post Mike. I was just searching new posts too see if anyone had mentioned it yet. Maybe the 770 will be available on Ebay for cheap for anyone upgrading or clearing out. I just brought another SB3 home so no little tablet for me for a couple months. -- notanatheist notanatheist's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31398 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
