Re: [discuss] Is Java the most widespread Internet language?

[=?iso-8859-15?Q?Lars_D=2E_Nood=E9n?=]

I would agree with Claus' suggestions and prefer the definition "a 
widespread platform independent language"  Widespread is just too hard a 
metric to define, though I think Perl is still probably most common and 
wide spread, and distracts from the main point which is less 
controversial.

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On Thu, 17 Mar 2005, Claus Agerskov wrote:
[snip]
I would change the last part of the sentence to:
 a widespread platform independent language
or just
 a platform independent language
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[discuss] Re: New stuff

[Andrew Brown]

"Ron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in news:000401c52aa1$2a748df0$6401a8c0
@ronxp1:

> In word when you do a "save as" and there is yet no filename part of the
> first sentence appears.  This minor to program and a vary useful feather.
> 

Well, the usefulness of this feather may vary, but there is a macro to do 
what you want available from the address in my sig file. It's called 
"fancysave". 


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[discuss] Release of Open Office 2.0 Stable

[James A Boundey]

Hello.  I am an absolutely avid user of Open Office 1.1.4.  It is just
incredible software.  I have also downloaded recently the Open Office
2.0 beta.  I was wondering if there was some sort of an estimate as to
when Open Office 2.0 would likely be completed.  I can't wait!  Thanks
so much for your time.  Have a great day!
 
 
 
Sincerely,
 
James

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[discuss] User Manual

[Gene McGuire]

Greetings,
I would like to prepare a user manual of this outstanding product.  This manual 
could be distributed with the software in printed form or as a PDF.  I have 
tried to figure how to use the help files but that would entail retyping reams 
of information.  If there were a way to get this info out I would like to offer 
my services to create such a manual. For clarity I feel that some topics may 
require graphics which I would provide.

Someone is probably already working on this but if not I am available to 
assist.  It should be understood that any document I would prepare would not be 
released until approved by the appropriate office.

Thanks
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[discuss] Google Desktop plugs into OOo!

[Ryan Singer]

http://desktop.google.com/plugins/indextheopenoffice.html

There is now a plugin for Windows users to extend OOo functionality
into Google's Desktop Search software.
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Re: [discuss] User Manual

[Daniel Carrera]

Hello Gene,

Yes, actually, we have a team working on a manual, and we need YOUR help. This 
is the OOoAuthors project. Take a look at our site:

http://oooauthors.org

Please make a login and take a look around.

I strongly encourage you to join our team and work on the suer guide. The 
OOoAuthors team is very active, friendly and positive. You'll enjoy working 
with us.

Right now we have a user guide for OOo 1.x and we are working on a user guide 
for OOo 2.0. This is a lot of work, and we definitely need you to help out. We 
actually have separate guides for each major component (Writer, Calc, etc) 
that we're working on.

The people in the CC line (Jean and Janet) are our editors. Janet is the 
editor for the Writer Guide. Jean is the editor for the other guides, as well 
as the chief editor for OOoAuthors.

If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask.

Welcome aboard!

Cheers,
Daniel.



On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 10:40:48PM -0800, Gene McGuire wrote:
> Greetings,
> I would like to prepare a user manual of this outstanding product.  This 
> manual could be distributed with the software in printed form or as a PDF.  I 
> have tried to figure how to use the help files but that would entail retyping 
> reams of information.  If there were a way to get this info out I would like 
> to offer my services to create such a manual. For clarity I feel that some 
> topics may require graphics which I would provide.
> 
> Someone is probably already working on this but if not I am available to 
> assist.  It should be understood that any document I would prepare would not 
> be released until approved by the appropriate office.
> 
> Thanks
> Gene McGuire
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Re: [discuss] Release of Open Office 2.0 Stable

[Daniel Carrera]

Hello James,

I'm glad you like OOo so much. We are hoping to have 2.0 stable somewhere 
around end of April-ish.

Cheers,
Daniel.


On Fri, Mar 18, 2005 at 12:06:06AM -0700, James A Boundey wrote:
> Hello.  I am an absolutely avid user of Open Office 1.1.4.  It is just
> incredible software.  I have also downloaded recently the Open Office
> 2.0 beta.  I was wondering if there was some sort of an estimate as to
> when Open Office 2.0 would likely be completed.  I can't wait!  Thanks
> so much for your time.  Have a great day!
>  
>  
>  
> Sincerely,
>  
> James
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Re: [discuss] Release of Open Office 2.0 Stable

[Jacqueline McNally]

James A Boundey wrote:
Hello.  I am an absolutely avid user of Open Office 1.1.4.  It is just
incredible software.  I have also downloaded recently the Open Office
2.0 beta.  I was wondering if there was some sort of an estimate as to
when Open Office 2.0 would likely be completed.  I can't wait!  Thanks
so much for your time.  Have a great day!
 
 
 
Sincerely,
 
James

Hello James
The status of the releases is displayed on:
http://development.openoffice.org/releases/OpenOffice_org_2_x.html
This is updated from time to time depending on the issues submitted by
people trialling and testing the software.
OpenOffice.org is an open-source project. That is, we depend upon the
contributions of developers and endusers to make it happen. This
resource is the most important item when considering the roadmap.
Contributors are always welcome, read
http://www.openoffice.org/about_us/introduction.html and
http://www.openoffice.org/contributing.html to see how you can
participate further.
All the best and thank you for supporting OpenOffice.org.
Regards
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[discuss] Impress free path animation

[Ian Lynch]

I was in a school earlier this week where a Physics teacher had created
some really impressive animated presentations in Powerpoint.
Unfortunately these depend on the ability to specify arbitrary paths to
animate bitmap graphics along. Earlier versions of PPT don't support
this. But the feature allows non-programmers to produce CAL software for
whole class teaching

The ideal capability would be to trigger sound or other events at points
on any arbitratily defined path. eg Animate the charges moving around an
electric circuit and brighten the lamp as the charges travel faster. 
This teacher would gladly move his development effort to OOo *if* it
supported the same features as the latest version of Powerpoint. 

I'm assuming 2.0 can't do this type of thing because I have looked and
couldn't find anything. I don't know what the plans are for later
versions. As Education Lead I can say that this is potentially killer
application because if we refined this a bit to be better than PPt, its
the sort of thing people would install OOo to run just for this feature
and since most schools are on older versions of PPT that don't support
it there is a window of opportunity.
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Re: [discuss] MSN Producer like program in OO Impress's future

[Nicolas Mailhot]

BTW this doesn't mean I "hate" the Helix people or something like this.
They should try to have their framework used by many more projects if they
want it to survive (that it's not the default media framework of any of
the two main DE on Linux should ring big alarms at Real - they won't find
any space with lower adoption barriers). So they're doing the right thing
here.

In the OO.o context though what's good for Helix is not automatically good
for OO.o - Helix still has to win its place in user hearts, any OO.o
feature that depends on Helix should not be considered definitive till it
does.

And now I'll shut up.

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Re: [discuss] MSN Producer like program in OO Impress's future

[Sweet Coffee]

Hi Everyone!

I would like to thank everyone who responded to and posted their input
and ideas about a presentation player (like MSN Producer) and/or a
media player in OO.  I have not installed OO v2.0Beta as of yet and do
not know what options they have to play media in OO Impress, if any. 
I know that, in the past, if I wanted to include a sound clip and/or
video into a slide I would just do it in PowerPoint because it was
much more do-able in that program.  I do not have MSN Office anything
on my computer so I would always have to work on those slides outside
of home.  A real drag.  I hope the folks working on v2.0 have done
something about this.

I cannot think of learning a program language like C++, which someone
suggested in this thread, until the summer.  I am hoping someone with
this programming skill will consider developing for OO in the near
future (to fit in with v2.0),
1.  An MSN Producer like program (Presentation Program), that could be
run on the web and desktop. [Maybe allow for the plugin of any player
with OO (as someone mentioned previously)].
2.  Portable program which will run and open OO files on any computer
that does not have OO installed.  [Flash is nice in OO Impress, but
animations and audio/video cannot be viewed with it]

Frankly, maybe I am too naive or optimistic, I think the above would
help give OO more market share because more people who are a bit
afraid of opensource would get to see it in action.

I dunno!  Does anyone else have thoughts about this.

Anyway to catch the "eye" of developers regarding this?

SC

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Re: [discuss] Impress free path animation

[Nicu Buculei]

Ian Lynch wrote:
I was in a school earlier this week where a Physics teacher had created
some really impressive animated presentations in Powerpoint.
Unfortunately these depend on the ability to specify arbitrary paths to
animate bitmap graphics along. Earlier versions of PPT don't support
this. But the feature allows non-programmers to produce CAL software for
whole class teaching
i believe you want this kind of animation:
http://software.newsforge.com/software/05/02/16/1427218.shtml?tid=130&tid=75&tid=93
The ideal capability would be to trigger sound or other events at points
on any arbitratily defined path. eg Animate the charges moving around an
electric circuit and brighten the lamp as the charges travel faster. 
i can't comment much about the sound support in Impress because don't 
have signifiant experience in this area, but i find it cumbersome 
(involving Mozilla plugins etc.)

This teacher would gladly move his development effort to OOo *if* it
supported the same features as the latest version of Powerpoint. 

I'm assuming 2.0 can't do this type of thing because I have looked and
couldn't find anything. I don't know what the plans are for later
versions. As Education Lead I can say that this is potentially killer
bitmap animation on arbitrary paths is possible in 1.1.x
application because if we refined this a bit to be better than PPt, its
the sort of thing people would install OOo to run just for this feature
and since most schools are on older versions of PPT that don't support
it there is a window of opportunity.
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Re: [discuss] Impress free path animation

[Sweet Coffee]

Hi Ian!

I began another thread on the mailing list with the subject "MSN
Producer like program in OO Impress's future"
http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?listName=discuss&msgNo=47747
http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?list=discuss&by=thread&from=786478

You can check out MSN Producer and some examples at,
http://www.microsoft.com/office/powerpoint/producer/prodinfo/overview.mspx#EAAA
http://www.microsoft.com/office/powerpoint/producer/prodinfo/demos.mspx

Do you think one application could address what you are describing and
what I am suggesting?

SC

On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:06:49 +, Ian Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I was in a school earlier this week where a Physics teacher had created
> some really impressive animated presentations in Powerpoint.
> Unfortunately these depend on the ability to specify arbitrary paths to
> animate bitmap graphics along. Earlier versions of PPT don't support
> this. But the feature allows non-programmers to produce CAL software for
> whole class teaching
> 
> The ideal capability would be to trigger sound or other events at points
> on any arbitratily defined path. eg Animate the charges moving around an
> electric circuit and brighten the lamp as the charges travel faster.
> This teacher would gladly move his development effort to OOo *if* it
> supported the same features as the latest version of Powerpoint.
> 
> I'm assuming 2.0 can't do this type of thing because I have looked and
> couldn't find anything. I don't know what the plans are for later
> versions. As Education Lead I can say that this is potentially killer
> application because if we refined this a bit to be better than PPt, its
> the sort of thing people would install OOo to run just for this feature
> and since most schools are on older versions of PPT that don't support
> it there is a window of opportunity.
> --
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> ZMS Ltd

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Re: [discuss] workaround for database bug IZ#41239?

[CPHennessy]

On Friday 18 March 2005 04:34, Jacob Floyd wrote:
> I'm searching for a workaround to IZ#41239 (
> http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=41239 ) so that I can
> still use Base without restarting Base every 5 min.
>
> Also, please vote or do whatever else will help get this fixed. I've
> submitted as much info as I can to help figure out the issue, but I'm
> currently devoting my efforts to Silver Onion and don't want to start
> sifting through other code to find this bug at this time.
>
> If there isn't a good workaround (like say a manual reconnect. Perhaps
> manual reconnect should be a RFE?) then I'll end up having to work in
> another app for the time being.

Hi Jacob 
  Consider asking teh develoeprs at dev@dba.openoffice.org (remembering to 
subscribe to that mailing list to get all responses).
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Re: [discuss] Can someone check my issues?

[CPHennessy]

On Thursday 17 March 2005 16:54, KamiHÃr wrote:
> 44863 
> DEFECTP3  All cgu UNCO
>   Document converter not convert ooo 1.x Draw templates
> 44868 
> DEFECTP3  All sba UNCO
>   OOO 1.x gallery elements not dragable
>
>
>
>


Hi Kamil,
  Thanks for adding these problem reports to Issuezilla. Normally the members 
of dev@qa.openoffice.org help to triage and confirm bug reports. Please send 
your email there and consider helping those as there is always a back log of 
reports to be confirmed.

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Re: [discuss] Opening mail attachments

[CPHennessy]

On Thursday 17 March 2005 11:36, David Jamison wrote:
> Ive noticed that I cannot seem to open .doc. or .ppt attachements
> received in Thunderbird.  I can associate say the .doc with swriter.exe
> but the OK button remains greyed out.  Am I doing something wrong?  (Im
> running OO v2 beta and Thunderbird v1)

Hi David,
 I'm not sure why you are asking us as this seems to be a Thunderbird issue.

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Re: [discuss] Fehlermeldung

[CPHennessy]

On Thursday 17 March 2005 07:13, + Thomas Karker wrote:
>  [ MODERATED ] 
> Hallo!
>
> Nach dem ersten Testen habe ich folgende MÃngel festgestellt:
>
> 1. Beim Kopieren von grafischen Elementen ist das kopierte Element
> beim einfÃgen nicht an dem Platz, wo das Original war. Bei mir
> konkret: EinfÃgen von Rechtecken aus dem Original in ein neues Blatt
> (OOo Writer).
>
> 2. Bei der Schnellstartleiste (Systray) keine Funktion ersichtlich.
> (Ich habe die Betaversion neben der 1.1.4 installiert)

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Re: [discuss] Impress free path animation

[Sweet Coffee]

Hi nicu!

> i believe you want this kind of animation:
> http://software.newsforge.com/software/05/02/16/1427218.shtml?tid=130&tid=75&tid=93

Thank you for this resource.

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Re: [discuss] Impress free path animation

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I saw lot of useful animations and presentations using Authorware and 
similar tools.  I suppose Director would be useful as well. But I think 
either may be way beyond what's within the scope of presentation graphics 
(Impress).

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Re: [discuss] Open Office web services support ?

[CPHennessy]

On Wednesday 16 March 2005 10:05, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
[snip]
> I'd like to know if web services/soap support is planned in Open Office
> proper (not a fork) in the near future, so I can make a case for using it.
I think that it is supported, but please ask on dev@api.openoffice.org for a 
more definitive answer. Also note that OpenOffice.org 2.0 will also support 
XForms which can also be an interesting alternative.

> Likewise, I'd like to know if we can realistically hope to reuse most of
> the current Office 2000 VBA macros. 
Many VBA macros will work in OpenOffice.org with only minor tweaks. Also 
almost all Excel functions should work without any problems.

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Re: [discuss] Open Office web services support ?

[Nicolas Mailhot]

On Ven 18 mars 2005 13:24, CPHennessy a écrit :
> On Wednesday 16 March 2005 10:05, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
> [snip]
>> I'd like to know if web services/soap support is planned in Open Office
>> proper (not a fork) in the near future, so I can make a case for using
>> it.
> I think that it is supported, but please ask on dev@api.openoffice.org for
> a
> more definitive answer.

Thanks for the tip ! Will do !

> Also note that OpenOffice.org 2.0 will also
> support
> XForms which can also be an interesting alternative.

I'll look at XForms too then.

Regards,


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[discuss] Writer Question (Potentially Stupid)

[Sigmascape1]

Hello,

I am not a frequent poster on this list, but I do try to keep up with certain 
discussions. I've wondered for awhile about a feature not included in OOo's 
Writer app... the ability to click anywhere on a page and type (like 
WordPerfect and MS Word). I assume it is some kind of patent issue.

I apologize if this is a question that has been answered before.

Thanks!

Mitch

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Re: [discuss] Release of Open Office 2.0 Stable: May/June 2005

[Claus Agerskov]

On Fri, 18 Mar 2005, Jacqueline McNally wrote:

> James A Boundey wrote:
> > Hello.  I am an absolutely avid user of Open Office 1.1.4.  It is just
> > incredible software.  I have also downloaded recently the Open Office
> > 2.0 beta.  I was wondering if there was some sort of an estimate as to
> > when Open Office 2.0 would likely be completed.  I can't wait!  Thanks
> > so much for your time.  Have a great day!
> 
> The status of the releases is displayed on:
> http://development.openoffice.org/releases/OpenOffice_org_2_x.html
> 
> This is updated from time to time depending on the issues submitted by
> people trialling and testing the software.

The current plan (2005-03-18 13:00 UTC) says:

 February 2005: OOo 2.0 Beta
 Februray/March 2005 : OOo 2.0 changes will be done on separated branch, 
   the trunk (HEAD) will then be used for the next OOo 
   major (3.0 ?) release.
 April 2005: OOo 2.0 rc
 May/June 2005 : OOo 2.0
 Q3 2005: OOo 2.0.1

The actual release date of OpenOffice.org 2.0 Beta was March 4th - five 
days later than February. So the plan is almost on track which let me say 
that the rest of the plan seems likely.

The most enjoyable greetings
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Re: [discuss] Open Office web services support ?

[Sophie Gautier]

Hi Nicolas,
Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
On Ven 18 mars 2005 13:24, CPHennessy a écrit :
On Wednesday 16 March 2005 10:05, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
[snip]
I'd like to know if web services/soap support is planned in Open Office
proper (not a fork) in the near future, so I can make a case for using
it.
I think that it is supported, but please ask on dev@api.openoffice.org for
a
more definitive answer.

Thanks for the tip ! Will do !
I think that what you're searching for is here :
http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=21153
http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=21154
and some programming considerations here :
http://udk.openoffice.org/common/man/draft/soap.html
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Also note that OpenOffice.org 2.0 will also
support
XForms which can also be an interesting alternative.

I'll look at XForms too then.
I'll find informations on the specs site here :
http://specs.openoffice.org/appwide/xforms/GUI_spec_part1.sxw
http://specs.openoffice.org/appwide/xforms/GUI_spec_part2.sxw
Kind regards
Sophie

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Re: [discuss] Impress free path animation

[Ian Lynch]

On Fri, 2005-03-18 at 11:40, Nicu Buculei wrote:
> Ian Lynch wrote:

> 
> i believe you want this kind of animation:
> http://software.newsforge.com/software/05/02/16/1427218.shtml?tid=130&tid=75&tid=93


Thanks that is useful. Just can't find it now in 2.0 beta. Where is the
follow path option? I have looked under the Motion paths tab but can't
find a follow path.

> > The ideal capability would be to trigger sound or other events at points
> > on any arbitratily defined path. eg Animate the charges moving around an
> > electric circuit and brighten the lamp as the charges travel faster. 
> 
> i can't comment much about the sound support in Impress because don't 
> have signifiant experience in this area, but i find it cumbersome 
> (involving Mozilla plugins etc.)

Really having something to trigger events such as the already defined
sound effects or a graphic fade etc would be a good start. I would not
have though that too difficult to implement. Just store the coordinates
of where the event is to take place and apply the effect when the image
is at that point.

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Re: [discuss] Writer Question (Potentially Stupid)

[Mr Rigel Anrndt]

Actualy. I think that feature is in Writer :) It's just a little bit different. 
Now do you mean stick in text as if it were floating ont he page? Or do you 
mean to start writing anywhere on a line?
 
If you want to start writing anywhere on a line, you can use the tab stops at 
the top of the page :) The ruler can be very helpful when controling relative, 
or visual margins for paragraphs and such.
 
You can also use the automatic alignment feature, to allow you to switch 
between left / center / and right by simply moving your mouse to where you want 
the cursor, and clicking there.
 
 Rigel

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Hello,

I am not a frequent poster on this list, but I do try to keep up with certain 
discussions. I've wondered for awhile about a feature not included in OOo's 
Writer app... the ability to click anywhere on a page and type (like 
WordPerfect and MS Word). I assume it is some kind of patent issue.

I apologize if this is a question that has been answered before.

Thanks!

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Re: [discuss] Writer Question (Potentially Stupid)

[Justin Clift]

Mr Rigel Anrndt wrote:
Actualy. I think that feature is in Writer :) It's just a little bit different. Now do you mean stick in text as if it were floating ont he page? Or do you mean to start writing anywhere on a line?
 
If you want to start writing anywhere on a line, you can use the tab stops at the top of the page :) The ruler can be very helpful when controling relative, or visual margins for paragraphs and such.
Hi Rigel,
I *think* Mitch means being able to click anywhere on the page, and 
voila, the cursor is automatically padded out to that spot.

Like, at the moment, if you click 3 inches past the right hand side of a 
line, then the cursor is placed on the leftmost point with text (or 
whitespacing).

What Mitch seems to mean is that if you click 3 inches past the right 
hand point, then OOo invisibly adds enough whitespace to the line to put 
the cursor right there.

i.e. click somewhere and start typing.
Does that make sense to you?
Regards and best wishes,
Justin Clift

You can also use the automatic alignment feature, to allow you to switch between left / center / and right by simply moving your mouse to where you want the cursor, and clicking there.
 
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[discuss] Screen Capture for Issue Reporting!

[Mr Rigel Anrndt]

I just thought of a great way to make users and developers lives much simpler.
 
Instead of forcing the user to learn all the intricate details of computer 
jargon, and instead of forcing developers to try to interperet every 
mis-communication of a users lack of knowledge;...
 
How about instead, integrating either an open-source, or hand made screen 
capture utility directly into the OOo component platform, as a seperate 
component that would be called directly from within resident memory?
 
This way. When  person needs to file an issue, they can walk through the steps, 
capturing the relevant screen views, and then fill out a relevant error report, 
referencing those screen shots, and tell the developers "Hey. This is what 
happened. Here's the visual in case I dont' know what I'm talking about"
 
After the screen captures have been made, they can be automaticaly packaged 
into a zip file and left on the persons desktop or in the "My documents" 
folder, or in the same folder as their project, and they can attach it to an 
issue :)
 
Good idea? Bad Idea?
 
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Re: [discuss] Writer Question (Potentially Stupid)

[Mr Rigel Anrndt]

Justin Clift <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Mr Rigel Anrndt wrote:
> Actualy. I think that feature is in Writer :) It's just a little bit 
> different. Now do you mean stick in text as if it were floating ont he page? 
> Or do you mean to start writing anywhere on a line?
> 
> If you want to start writing anywhere on a line, you can use the tab stops at 
> the top of the page :) The ruler can be very helpful when controling 
> relative, or visual margins for paragraphs and such.

Hi Rigel,

I *think* Mitch means being able to click anywhere on the page, and 
voila, the cursor is automatically padded out to that spot.

Like, at the moment, if you click 3 inches past the right hand side of a 
line, then the cursor is placed on the leftmost point with text (or 
whitespacing).

What Mitch seems to mean is that if you click 3 inches past the right 
hand point, then OOo invisibly adds enough whitespace to the line to put 
the cursor right there.

Yep. That's what I gathered too Clift. I wanted to be certain. So we'll just 
hold on a response now :)

i.e. click somewhere and start typing.

Does that make sense to you?

Regards and best wishes,

Justin Clift


> You can also use the automatic alignment feature, to allow you to switch 
> between left / center / and right by simply moving your mouse to where you 
> want the cursor, and clicking there.
> 
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Re: [discuss] Open Office web services support ?

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On Ven 18 mars 2005 14:22, Sophie Gautier a écrit :
> Hi Nicolas,
> Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
>
>> On Ven 18 mars 2005 13:24, CPHennessy a écrit :
>>
>>>On Wednesday 16 March 2005 10:05, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
>>>[snip]
>>>
I'd like to know if web services/soap support is planned in Open Office
proper (not a fork) in the near future, so I can make a case for using
it.
>>>
>>>I think that it is supported, but please ask on dev@api.openoffice.org
>>> for
>>>a
>>>more definitive answer.
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the tip ! Will do !
>
> I think that what you're searching for is here :
> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=21153
> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=21154

Feature & later :(

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Re: [discuss] MSN Producer like program in OO Impress's future

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Nicolas wrote:

> Need I remind you of all the java parts in OO.o that were and probably still 
> are deactivated on lots of Linux systems ? 

Question:  Is the Helix patch Java, or not?

_If_ it is Java then:
a) Sun may adopt it.
b) The linux distributions will exclude it.

_If_ it is not Java, then Sun will reject it.

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Re: [discuss] MSN Producer like program in OO Impress's future

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And we will all switch to the Debian tree :D
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> Nicolas wrote:
>
> > Need I remind you of all the java parts in OO.o that were and probably
> still are deactivated on lots of Linux systems ?
>
> Question:  Is the Helix patch Java, or not?
>
> _If_ it is Java then:
> a) Sun may adopt it.
> b) The linux distributions will exclude it.
>
> _If_ it is not Java, then Sun will reject it.
>
> xan
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Re: [discuss] Writer Question (Potentially Stupid)

[Alexandro Colorado]

Probably this issue was answered but is this toold sort of exist and is the
'Direct Cursor' is on the vertical tool menu.
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> Hello,
>
> I am not a frequent poster on this list, but I do try to keep up with certain
> discussions. I've wondered for awhile about a feature not included in OOo's
> Writer app... the ability to click anywhere on a page and type (like
> WordPerfect and MS Word). I assume it is some kind of patent issue.
>
> I apologize if this is a question that has been answered before.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Mitch
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Re: [discuss] MSN Producer like program in OO Impress's future

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Alexandro Colorado wrote:
And we will all switch to the Debian tree :D
not necessarily, maybe it will be enough to compile OOo with gcc 4.0 and 
have all this Java stuff working grace to gcj

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Nicolas wrote:

Need I remind you of all the java parts in OO.o that were and probably
still are deactivated on lots of Linux systems ?
Question:  Is the Helix patch Java, or not?
_If_ it is Java then:
a) Sun may adopt it.
b) The linux distributions will exclude it.
_If_ it is not Java, then Sun will reject it.
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Re: [discuss] MSN Producer like program in OO Impress's future

[Nicolas Mailhot]

On Ven 18 mars 2005 16:16, Nicu Buculei a écrit :
> Alexandro Colorado wrote:
>> And we will all switch to the Debian tree :D
>
> not necessarily, maybe it will be enough to compile OOo with gcc 4.0 and
> have all this Java stuff working grace to gcj

BTW my point was not that this stuff uses java (no idea about that), but
that it may be shunned like java is today once distributions decide Helix
is redundant (which is a distinct possibility, Helix has a definite lack
of traction on Linux now)

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Re: [discuss] MSN Producer like program in OO Impress's future

[Nicu Buculei]

Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
On Ven 18 mars 2005 16:16, Nicu Buculei a écrit :
Alexandro Colorado wrote:
And we will all switch to the Debian tree :D
not necessarily, maybe it will be enough to compile OOo with gcc 4.0 and
have all this Java stuff working grace to gcj

BTW my point was not that this stuff uses java (no idea about that), but
that it may be shunned like java is today once distributions decide Helix
is redundant (which is a distinct possibility, Helix has a definite lack
of traction on Linux now)
and you are right, gstreamer is the correct choice for Linux.
maybe something like NWF (Native Widget Framework), in this case using 
on each platform it's native sound system.

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[discuss] Re: MSN Producer like program in OO Impress's future

[Rod Engelsman]

Sweet Coffee wrote:
Hi Everyone!
I would like to thank everyone who responded to and posted their input
and ideas about a presentation player (like MSN Producer) and/or a
media player in OO.  I have not installed OO v2.0Beta as of yet and do
not know what options they have to play media in OO Impress, if any. 
I know that, in the past, if I wanted to include a sound clip and/or
video into a slide I would just do it in PowerPoint because it was
much more do-able in that program.  I do not have MSN Office anything
on my computer so I would always have to work on those slides outside
of home.  A real drag.  I hope the folks working on v2.0 have done
something about this.

I cannot think of learning a program language like C++, which someone
suggested in this thread, until the summer.  I am hoping someone with
this programming skill will consider developing for OO in the near
future (to fit in with v2.0),
1.  An MSN Producer like program (Presentation Program), that could be
run on the web and desktop. [Maybe allow for the plugin of any player
with OO (as someone mentioned previously)].
2.  Portable program which will run and open OO files on any computer
that does not have OO installed.  [Flash is nice in OO Impress, but
animations and audio/video cannot be viewed with it]
Frankly, maybe I am too naive or optimistic, I think the above would
help give OO more market share because more people who are a bit
afraid of opensource would get to see it in action.
I dunno!  Does anyone else have thoughts about this.
Anyway to catch the "eye" of developers regarding this?
SC
It sounds very much like a viable third-party add-on sort of app. 
Accordent makes something very similar to MS Producer called 
PresenterOne that produces RealMedia files.

Since nothing exists open-source yet, as a stop-gap -- if you are 
running Windows -- you can download their basic version for free. It is 
limited to a 15-minute presentation, though. They also have two higher 
versions -- one is Standard (or some such nomenclature) which removes 
the 15-minute limit and adds some more features, and a Professional 
version that lets you set up streaming media over the web. Lots of money 
for those, though.

I'm interested in all this as well, because I have to produce a PP 
presentation with voice-over for a class. The 15-minute version is too 
short for my needs and MS Producer -- even if I could stomach the 
thought of using MS for this -- requires Office 2003 and all I have is 
Office 2000.

I guess I'm just going to have to add sound to each transition and have 
a "Click here for next slide" button or something.

Rod
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Re: [discuss] Open Office web services support ?

[Sophie Gautier]

Hi Nicolas,
Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
[...]

I think that what you're searching for is here :
http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=21153
http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=21154

Feature & later :(
Yes, it seems we lack of resources for this development.
May be your big corporation would like to help to make it happens earlier ?
If you need any informations about this don't hesitate to mail me directly.
Kind regards
Sophie

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[discuss] fonts

[AdrianGreeman]

I hate to point to Word for inspiration but they have had a lot of good
ideas (just expensive).
IN Word it is possible to save fonts along with the document being used - in
three flavours I think - the full font or just those characters used, and
with exclusion for common fonts (meaning not Times, Arial etc I guess)
That is useful if you use lesser known fonts.
Can you do that in Writer 2.0 - I can't find it.
Or is it a possible future feature?
Adrian
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Re: [discuss] Re: MSN Producer like program in OO Impress's future

[Sweet Coffee]

Hi everyone!

Just want to write about two things:

THING 1

I got back a response on Issue Issue 41419 
"Support for playing back movies in impress with RealPlayer + avmedia".
http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=41419

Please read the comments and vote on the issue and comment yourself. 
Maybe more votes and comments will help to stimulate the powers that
be about this issue.


THING 2

Rob!  Thank you for the information about "Accordent".  The free
program is called, "PresenterOne Basic",  Anyone  can check it out
here along with the pay versions.
http://www.realnetworks.com/products/presenterone/

At least it provides, as you indicated Rob, "...a stop-gap -- if you
are running Windows...".

Below is some information on the web site about "PresenterOne Basic".

"PresenterONE Basic provides a great way to start creating
professional streaming presentations. It enables content creators to
create professional presentations with on demand RealMedia and
synchronized PowerPoint slides â all displayed in the RealPlayer â all
of this using a wizard-based tool that provides step-by-step guidance
and requires absolutely no hand coding.
--On demand RealMedia support
--Synchronized PowerPoint slides
--Auto-publish to CD or on demand
--Customizable interfaces
--Presentations up to 15 minutes in length"

Input anyone on "Thing 1" and/or "Thing 2"??

SC

On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:14:14 -0600, Rod Engelsman
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> It sounds very much like a viable third-party add-on sort of app.
> Accordent makes something very similar to MS Producer called
> PresenterOne that produces RealMedia files.
> 
> Since nothing exists open-source yet, as a stop-gap -- if you are
> running Windows -- you can download their basic version for free. It is
> limited to a 15-minute presentation, though. They also have two higher
> versions -- one is Standard (or some such nomenclature) which removes
> the 15-minute limit and adds some more features, and a Professional
> version that lets you set up streaming media over the web. Lots of money
> for those, though.
> 
> I'm interested in all this as well, because I have to produce a PP
> presentation with voice-over for a class. The 15-minute version is too
> short for my needs and MS Producer -- even if I could stomach the
> thought of using MS for this -- requires Office 2003 and all I have is
> Office 2000.
> 
> I guess I'm just going to have to add sound to each transition and have
> a "Click here for next slide" button or something.
> 
> Rod

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Re: [discuss] fonts

[Jonathon Blake]

Adrian wrote:

> IN Word it is possible to save fonts along with the document being used

What, exactly do you mean here:

a) The document includes the entire font.
b) The document has the name of the font.
c) Something else.

xan

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Re: [discuss] Release of Open Office 2.0 Stable

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Please tell me from where you download el openoffice 2.0 beta
Thanks
Elia
James A Boundey wrote:
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incredible software.  I have also downloaded recently the Open Office
2.0 beta.  I was wondering if there was some sort of an estimate as to
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Re: [discuss] Release of Open Office 2.0 Stable

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Hi elia, you can see openoffice.org download from the homepage
http://www.openoffice.org
under openoffice.org 2.0 Beta
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> Please tell me from where you download el openoffice 2.0 beta
> Thanks
> Elia
>
>
> James A Boundey wrote:
>
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> >incredible software.  I have also downloaded recently the Open Office
> >2.0 beta.  I was wondering if there was some sort of an estimate as to
> >when Open Office 2.0 would likely be completed.  I can't wait!  Thanks
> >so much for your time.  Have a great day!
> >
> >
> >
> >Sincerely,
> >
> >James
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Re: [discuss] MSN Producer like program in OO Impress's future

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BTW my point was not that this stuff uses java (no idea about that), but
that it may be shunned like java is today once distributions decide Helix
is redundant (which is a distinct possibility, Helix has a definite lack
of traction on Linux now)
Okay - look, I understand what you are saying - that you don't like 
Helix, and/or you don't think "Linux users" (of which I am one) will 
accept it.  The thing you aren't getting it, we're not asking people to 
use Helix player for anything other than to do this.  It could be 
included in the OOo download, or the plug-in download, so it would be 
transparent.  It may be called the "Helix player plug-in for OOo" but 
other than that, it woudn't matter.  The "Linux users" you speak for 
wouldn't have to remove any of their current media players (most distros 
come with far more than one - especially in the kitchen sync installs) 
nor would they have to start using Helix for anything other than OOo.

It's just like the addition of the HPSDB (or whatever the letters are) 
database program that was added to OOo.  Users (linux or otherwise) can 
still use whatever DB they want, but the one built-in and ready to go on 
OOo is HPSDB.  The same thing for Abiword.  Installing OOo does not take 
anyone's ability away to use Abiword - or KOffice.  There are times when 
a user might just want to make a quick edit to a document, and then they 
could quickly open Abiword, make the edit, and save it.  But if they 
want the features of OOo - they can open OOo.  Some people use OOo just 
as a way to make Flash on Linux.  They use KOffice/Abiword for 
everything else.

My point is - if they don't like it - they ain't gotta use it.  But if 
they want to do what this plug-in can do, then they would.

Do me a favor - name me any other cross-platform media player that can 
run Real media, is open source, and runs on Mac OS X, Windows, Solaris, 
and Linux

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Re: [discuss] Release of Open Office 2.0 Stable

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But is this free too?
Alexandro Colorado wrote:
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http://www.openoffice.org
under openoffice.org 2.0 Beta
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Please tell me from where you download el openoffice 2.0 beta
Thanks
Elia
James A Boundey wrote:
   

Hello.  I am an absolutely avid user of Open Office 1.1.4.  It is just
incredible software.  I have also downloaded recently the Open Office
2.0 beta.  I was wondering if there was some sort of an estimate as to
when Open Office 2.0 would likely be completed.  I can't wait!  Thanks
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Re: [discuss] Release of Open Office 2.0 Stable

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yeah is free as in beer and free as in freedom.
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> But is this free too?
>
>
> Alexandro Colorado wrote:
>
> >Hi elia, you can see openoffice.org download from the homepage
> >http://www.openoffice.org
> >under openoffice.org 2.0 Beta
> >--
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> >Co-Leader of OpenOffice.org Spanish
> >http://es.openoffice.org/
> >
> >
> >Mensaje citado por elia martinez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> >
> >
> >>Please tell me from where you download el openoffice 2.0 beta
> >>Thanks
> >>Elia
> >>
> >>
> >>James A Boundey wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Hello.  I am an absolutely avid user of Open Office 1.1.4.  It is just
> >>>incredible software.  I have also downloaded recently the Open Office
> >>>2.0 beta.  I was wondering if there was some sort of an estimate as to
> >>>when Open Office 2.0 would likely be completed.  I can't wait!  Thanks
> >>>so much for your time.  Have a great day!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Sincerely,
> >>>
> >>>James
> >>>
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Re: [discuss] MSN Producer like program in OO Impress's future

[Nicu Buculei]

Chad Smith wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
BTW my point was not that this stuff uses java (no idea about that), but
that it may be shunned like java is today once distributions decide Helix
is redundant (which is a distinct possibility, Helix has a definite lack
of traction on Linux now)

Okay - look, I understand what you are saying - that you don't like 
Helix, and/or you don't think "Linux users" (of which I am one) will 
accept it.  The thing you aren't getting it, we're not asking people to 
use Helix player for anything other than to do this.  It could be 
included in the OOo download, or the plug-in download, so it would be 
transparent.  It may be called the "Helix player plug-in for OOo" but 
other than that, it woudn't matter.  The "Linux users" you speak for 
wouldn't have to remove any of their current media players (most distros 
come with far more than one - especially in the kitchen sync installs) 
nor would they have to start using Helix for anything other than OOo.
HelixPlayer is 3.8 MB (at least for the RPM version) useless bloat.
is not even able (because of patents) to play mp3 files.
and this considering each OS has its own complete multimedia framework.
It's just like the addition of the HPSDB (or whatever the letters are) 
HSQLDB
database program that was added to OOo.  Users (linux or otherwise) can 
still use whatever DB they want, but the one built-in and ready to go on 
OOo is HPSDB.  The same thing for Abiword.  Installing OOo does not take 
anyone's ability away to use Abiword - or KOffice.  There are times when 
a user might just want to make a quick edit to a document, and then they 
could quickly open Abiword, make the edit, and save it.  But if they 
want the features of OOo - they can open OOo.  Some people use OOo just 
as a way to make Flash on Linux.  They use KOffice/Abiword for 
everything else.
then let's include a full copy of Mozilla too, we want to be sure users 
will have a program if they need to send documents as email.

My point is - if they don't like it - they ain't gotta use it.  But if 
they want to do what this plug-in can do, then they would.

Do me a favor - name me any other cross-platform media player that can 
run Real media, is open source, and runs on Mac OS X, Windows, Solaris, 
and Linux
Mplayer is such an application, but good luck distributing it.
but why the "Real media" requirement? i don't think we should care about 
anything else beyond free formats - Ogg Vorbis and perhaps uncompressed Wav

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Hey!
Can  Someone help me to locate the problem and provide the patch? Which 
files I have to check? I will download the source tomorrow..-.
Thanks,
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Re: [discuss] MSN Producer like program in OO Impress's future

[Alexandro Colorado]

Mplayer is not very hard, you can download the front end too and then you have a
full player with all the codecs you need to play anything.

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http://es.openoffice.org/


Mensaje citado por Nicu Buculei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Chad Smith wrote:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> >> BTW my point was not that this stuff uses java (no idea about that), but
> >> that it may be shunned like java is today once distributions decide Helix
> >> is redundant (which is a distinct possibility, Helix has a definite lack
> >> of traction on Linux now)
> >
> >
> > Okay - look, I understand what you are saying - that you don't like
> > Helix, and/or you don't think "Linux users" (of which I am one) will
> > accept it.  The thing you aren't getting it, we're not asking people to
> > use Helix player for anything other than to do this.  It could be
> > included in the OOo download, or the plug-in download, so it would be
> > transparent.  It may be called the "Helix player plug-in for OOo" but
> > other than that, it woudn't matter.  The "Linux users" you speak for
> > wouldn't have to remove any of their current media players (most distros
> > come with far more than one - especially in the kitchen sync installs)
> > nor would they have to start using Helix for anything other than OOo.
>
> HelixPlayer is 3.8 MB (at least for the RPM version) useless bloat.
> is not even able (because of patents) to play mp3 files.
> and this considering each OS has its own complete multimedia framework.
>
> > It's just like the addition of the HPSDB (or whatever the letters are)
>
> HSQLDB
>
> > database program that was added to OOo.  Users (linux or otherwise) can
> > still use whatever DB they want, but the one built-in and ready to go on
> > OOo is HPSDB.  The same thing for Abiword.  Installing OOo does not take
> > anyone's ability away to use Abiword - or KOffice.  There are times when
> > a user might just want to make a quick edit to a document, and then they
> > could quickly open Abiword, make the edit, and save it.  But if they
> > want the features of OOo - they can open OOo.  Some people use OOo just
> > as a way to make Flash on Linux.  They use KOffice/Abiword for
> > everything else.
>
> then let's include a full copy of Mozilla too, we want to be sure users
> will have a program if they need to send documents as email.
>
> > My point is - if they don't like it - they ain't gotta use it.  But if
> > they want to do what this plug-in can do, then they would.
> >
> > Do me a favor - name me any other cross-platform media player that can
> > run Real media, is open source, and runs on Mac OS X, Windows, Solaris,
> > and Linux
>
> Mplayer is such an application, but good luck distributing it.
> but why the "Real media" requirement? i don't think we should care about
> anything else beyond free formats - Ogg Vorbis and perhaps uncompressed Wav
>
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Re: [discuss] MSN Producer like program in OO Impress's future

[Alexandro Colorado]

Mplayer is not very hard, you can download the front end too and then you have a
full player with all the codecs you need to play anything.

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http://es.openoffice.org/


Mensaje citado por Nicu Buculei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Chad Smith wrote:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> >> BTW my point was not that this stuff uses java (no idea about that), but
> >> that it may be shunned like java is today once distributions decide Helix
> >> is redundant (which is a distinct possibility, Helix has a definite lack
> >> of traction on Linux now)
> >
> >
> > Okay - look, I understand what you are saying - that you don't like
> > Helix, and/or you don't think "Linux users" (of which I am one) will
> > accept it.  The thing you aren't getting it, we're not asking people to
> > use Helix player for anything other than to do this.  It could be
> > included in the OOo download, or the plug-in download, so it would be
> > transparent.  It may be called the "Helix player plug-in for OOo" but
> > other than that, it woudn't matter.  The "Linux users" you speak for
> > wouldn't have to remove any of their current media players (most distros
> > come with far more than one - especially in the kitchen sync installs)
> > nor would they have to start using Helix for anything other than OOo.
>
> HelixPlayer is 3.8 MB (at least for the RPM version) useless bloat.
> is not even able (because of patents) to play mp3 files.
> and this considering each OS has its own complete multimedia framework.
>
> > It's just like the addition of the HPSDB (or whatever the letters are)
>
> HSQLDB
>
> > database program that was added to OOo.  Users (linux or otherwise) can
> > still use whatever DB they want, but the one built-in and ready to go on
> > OOo is HPSDB.  The same thing for Abiword.  Installing OOo does not take
> > anyone's ability away to use Abiword - or KOffice.  There are times when
> > a user might just want to make a quick edit to a document, and then they
> > could quickly open Abiword, make the edit, and save it.  But if they
> > want the features of OOo - they can open OOo.  Some people use OOo just
> > as a way to make Flash on Linux.  They use KOffice/Abiword for
> > everything else.
>
> then let's include a full copy of Mozilla too, we want to be sure users
> will have a program if they need to send documents as email.
>
> > My point is - if they don't like it - they ain't gotta use it.  But if
> > they want to do what this plug-in can do, then they would.
> >
> > Do me a favor - name me any other cross-platform media player that can
> > run Real media, is open source, and runs on Mac OS X, Windows, Solaris,
> > and Linux
>
> Mplayer is such an application, but good luck distributing it.
> but why the "Real media" requirement? i don't think we should care about
> anything else beyond free formats - Ogg Vorbis and perhaps uncompressed Wav
>
> --
> nicu
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Re: [discuss] MSN Producer like program in OO Impress's future

[Nicu Buculei]

Alexandro Colorado wrote:
Mplayer is not very hard, you can download the front end too and then you have a
full player with all the codecs you need to play anything.
right, is not hard to install Mplayer, but i said "distributing" - it 
contains codecs for *a lot* of patented technologies which can't be 
distributed legally

Mensaje citado por Nicu Buculei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Chad Smith wrote:
Do me a favor - name me any other cross-platform media player that can
run Real media, is open source, and runs on Mac OS X, Windows, Solaris,
and Linux
Mplayer is such an application, but good luck distributing it.
but why the "Real media" requirement? i don't think we should care about
anything else beyond free formats - Ogg Vorbis and perhaps uncompressed Wav
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[discuss] Re: MSN Producer like program in OO Impress's future

[Rod Engelsman]

Nicu Buculei wrote:
I  don't think we should care about
anything else beyond free formats - Ogg Vorbis and perhaps uncompressed Wav
You know what I care about right now? Producing a 25 to 45 minute 
presentation in Powerpoint format with voice-over. Personally, I could 
give a flying fig whether it's in rm, wav, Ogg Vorbis, mp3 or whatever. 
The fact is that right now -- before the end of the semester at least -- 
I have to create this presentation.

I would prefer to do as much of this using free software in Linux as I 
can. As it stands that won't be possible. I will likely have to boot 
into XP (I'm running dual boot with FC3), create the presentation in 
Powerpoint, and see what I can do with PresenterOne. Probably end up 
with 2 or 3 of those files because of the 15 minute limitation.

I understand your political point, but arguing over how to do this and 
be as "pure" as possible is just going to slow the whole exercise down 
to a crawl and force people like me to use Windows even longer.

Rod
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Re: [discuss] MSN Producer like program in OO Impress's future

[Chad Smith]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mplayer is such an application, but good luck distributing it.
but why the "Real media" requirement? i don't think we should care about 
anything else beyond free formats - Ogg Vorbis and perhaps uncompressed Wav
Last time I checked, you can't play *VIDEO* in Ogg or mp3.  *VIDEO* is 
the whole point of this conversation.  It's not just about including 
"useless bloat" of a media player - if you would actually read the 
thread - it's about including a way to play a video along with an 
Impress presentation.

-Chad


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Re: [discuss] MSN Producer like program in OO Impress's future

[Chad Smith]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Alexandro Colorado wrote:
Mplayer is not very hard, you can download the front end too and then 
you have a
full player with all the codecs you need to play anything.

right, is not hard to install Mplayer, but i said "distributing" - it 
contains codecs for *a lot* of patented technologies which can't be 
distributed legally
Hey - if you want to code a way to include and sync-up Mplayer to an 
Impress presentation, please do!  Feel free!  But you'd totally be 
duplicating what this kind Helix contributer *has already done*.

-Chad Smith
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Re: [discuss] Re: MSN Producer like program in OO Impress's future

[Chad Smith]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nicu Buculei wrote:
I  don't think we should care about
anything else beyond free formats - Ogg Vorbis and perhaps 
uncompressed Wav

You know what I care about right now? Producing a 25 to 45 minute 
presentation in Powerpoint format with voice-over. Personally, I could 
give a flying fig whether it's in rm, wav, Ogg Vorbis, mp3 or whatever. 
The fact is that right now -- before the end of the semester at least -- 
I have to create this presentation.

I would prefer to do as much of this using free software in Linux as I 
can. As it stands that won't be possible. I will likely have to boot 
into XP (I'm running dual boot with FC3), create the presentation in 
Powerpoint, and see what I can do with PresenterOne. Probably end up 
with 2 or 3 of those files because of the 15 minute limitation.

I understand your political point, but arguing over how to do this and 
be as "pure" as possible is just going to slow the whole exercise down 
to a crawl and force people like me to use Windows even longer.
Amen.  Well said Rod.  Thank you for bringing some sense into this.
+1
-Chad Smith
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Re: [discuss] HINTS AND IDEAS ABOUT MY converter issue

[Chad Smith]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey!
Can  Someone help me to locate the problem and provide the patch? Which 
files I have to check? I will download the source tomorrow..-.
Thanks,
KAMI
Kami,
Could you tell us what problem and patch you are talking about.
Thanks
-Chad
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Re: [discuss] MSN Producer like program in OO Impress's future

[Sweet Coffee]

Hi Chad!

I'm a bit confused.  What contributer are you referrring to??

SC


On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:14:57 -0500, Chad Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey - if you want to code a way to include and sync-up Mplayer to an
> Impress presentation, please do!  Feel free!  But you'd totally be
> duplicating what this kind Helix contributer *has already done*.
> 
> -Chad Smith

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Re: [discuss] MSN Producer like program in OO Impress's future

[Nicu Buculei]

Chad Smith wrote:
Last time I checked, you can't play *VIDEO* in Ogg or mp3.  *VIDEO* is 
the whole point of this conversation.  It's not just about including 
"useless bloat" of a media player - if you would actually read the 
thread - it's about including a way to play a video along with an 
Impress presentation.
well, you can enode *VIDEO* in Ogg. this is Ogg Theora, and is one of 
the few codecs supported by HelixPlayer by default.

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Re: [discuss] Re: MSN Producer like program in OO Impress's future

[Christian Einfeldt]

On Friday 18 March 2005 12:25, Rod Engelsman wrote:
> Nicu Buculei wrote:
> > I  don't think we should care about
> > anything else beyond free formats - Ogg Vorbis and perhaps
> > uncompressed Wav
>
> You know what I care about right now? Producing a 25 to 45 minute
> presentation in Powerpoint format with voice-over.

I would love to see this preso.  I will be glad to pay for the 
shipping, if you could burn it to a CD.  

Rod, I really think that you should consider getting a Linspire 
computer with Linspire 5.0.  You are more a sophisticated end user 
than I am, but I do know from reading your posts that you probably 
would not call yourself a script hacker.  That is exactly what 
Linspire is for.  If you are open to testing it, I will see about 
geting one for you.  I would consider purchasing your CNR 
membership, if needed.

The only problem for you, though, is that I recall that you are on 
dial up, because you live in a remote area of Kansas.  I will 
brainstorm with the Linspire guys and see if there is a recommended 
solution for you.  I think that you will be really impressed with 
Linspire 5.0.

SuSE or Xandros or Mepis or Knoppix are okay for intermediate users, 
but for end users like you and I, Linspire really is the best 
solution if you have more complex stuff like audio that you need to 
do.  SuSE, Mepis and Knoppix are getting there, but they are still 
lagging behind Linspire.  Linspire is actually kind of what 
Christensen would call an up-market migration by a disruptive 
technology.  

Linspire is actually a low-end disruption, because for not much 
money, you get tons and tons of free software.  Okay, that same 
software could also be obtained for free over the Internet, but 
Linspire is for more demanding customers who aren't able to do that 
for themselves, and so Linspire sells the service of providing you 
with an out-of-the-box plug-and-play experience which really does 
rival what you would see on Apple or Windows.  And all for not much 
money.  

You should also go to Sub300.com, because they have really good 
prices there for total out-of-the-box Linspire solutions. 

The weakness of the Linspire solution is the need to have a high 
speed connection, but the Linspire community is really as tight as 
this OOo community, and I'm sure that if you spent some time on 
their forums, you would find someone there who is willing to 
brainstorm a solution for you.  

> Personally, I 
> could give a flying fig whether it's in rm, wav, Ogg Vorbis, mp3
> or whatever. The fact is that right now -- before the end of the
> semester at least -- I have to create this presentation.

What is your time deadline on that? 

>
> I would prefer to do as much of this using free software in Linux
> as I can. As it stands that won't be possible. I will likely have
> to boot into XP (I'm running dual boot with FC3), create the
> presentation in Powerpoint, and see what I can do with
> PresenterOne. Probably end up with 2 or 3 of those files because
> of the 15 minute limitation.
>
> I understand your political point, but arguing over how to do
> this and be as "pure" as possible is just going to slow the whole
> exercise down to a crawl and force people like me to use Windows
> even longer.

+1

Now you no longer have to use Windows.  I think that if we could get 
you into a decent Linspire 5.0 box, you would be amazed. 

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Re: [discuss] Re: MSN Producer like program in OO Impress's future

[Christian Einfeldt]

On Friday 18 March 2005 13:16, Chad Smith wrote:

> >
> > I understand your political point, but arguing over how to do
> > this and be as "pure" as possible is just going to slow the
> > whole exercise down to a crawl and force people like me to use
> > Windows even longer.
>
> Amen.  Well said Rod.  Thank you for bringing some sense into
> this.

I think that you also should check out Linspire again, Chad.  I know 
that you had an installation issue, but have you checked out the 
prices at Sub300.com recently?  They have really decent boxes for 
not that much.  

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Re: [discuss] MSN Producer like program in OO Impress's future

[Sweet Coffee]

Hi Nicu!

Are you saying that although Ogg does not play video,  it can encode
it in a format that the Helix player can play?

BTW, does anyone know if the Ogg player or the Helix player work in
Windows?  I could not tell after visiting their sites.

SC

On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 23:44:34 +0200, Nicu Buculei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Chad Smith wrote:
> > Last time I checked, you can't play *VIDEO* in Ogg or mp3.  *VIDEO* is
> > the whole point of this conversation.  It's not just about including
> > "useless bloat" of a media player - if you would actually read the
> > thread - it's about including a way to play a video along with an
> > Impress presentation.
> 
> well, you can enode *VIDEO* in Ogg. this is Ogg Theora, and is one of
> the few codecs supported by HelixPlayer by default.
> 
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Re: [discuss] MSN Producer like program in OO Impress's future

[Alexandro Colorado]

I thought that ogm is the format for video, I got a couple of movies in that
format?
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Mensaje citado por Sweet Coffee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Hi Nicu!
>
> Are you saying that although Ogg does not play video,  it can encode
> it in a format that the Helix player can play?
>
> BTW, does anyone know if the Ogg player or the Helix player work in
> Windows?  I could not tell after visiting their sites.
>
> SC
>
> On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 23:44:34 +0200, Nicu Buculei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > Chad Smith wrote:
> > > Last time I checked, you can't play *VIDEO* in Ogg or mp3.  *VIDEO* is
> > > the whole point of this conversation.  It's not just about including
> > > "useless bloat" of a media player - if you would actually read the
> > > thread - it's about including a way to play a video along with an
> > > Impress presentation.
> >
> > well, you can enode *VIDEO* in Ogg. this is Ogg Theora, and is one of
> > the few codecs supported by HelixPlayer by default.
> >
> > --
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Re: [discuss] MSN Producer like program in OO Impress's future

[Ryan Gammon]

Sweet Coffee wrote:
Hi Nicu!
Are you saying that although Ogg does not play video,  it can encode
it in a format that the Helix player can play?
 

Ogg is a container format in the same vein as avi, mov, 3gp, mkv, rm, etc.
Within that container, one can have different codecs. (RealVideo 10, 
Theora, Sorenson, etc.)

Most ogg's these days contain audio data encoded with the Vorbis codec 
(Ogg Vorbis).

There are some files out there which also contain video data encoded 
with Ogg Theora.

Helix Player supports both Vorbis and Theora codecs, and the ogg 
container format.

BTW, does anyone know if the Ogg player or the Helix player work in
Windows?  I could not tell after visiting their sites.
 

RealPlayer 10 for Windows is powered by the same media engine that 
powers RP on Mac, Linux/Qt embedded, Linux/X11, Symbian, Windows, etc. 
Ogg plugins for helix on windows are available from the xiph foundation, 
who are members of the helix community.

https://helixcommunity.org/project/showfiles.php?group_id=7
https://helixcommunity.org/download.php/713/xiphplins_win32_0_5.exe
SC
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 23:44:34 +0200, Nicu Buculei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 

Chad Smith wrote:
   

Last time I checked, you can't play *VIDEO* in Ogg or mp3.  *VIDEO* is
the whole point of this conversation.  It's not just about including
"useless bloat" of a media player - if you would actually read the
thread - it's about including a way to play a video along with an
Impress presentation.
 

well, you can enode *VIDEO* in Ogg. this is Ogg Theora, and is one of
the few codecs supported by HelixPlayer by default.
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Re: [discuss] Impress free path animation

[Thorsten Behrens]

Ian Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Thanks that is useful. Just can't find it now in 2.0 beta. Where is the
> follow path option? I have looked under the Motion paths tab but can't
> find a follow path.
>
You're right, that's one of the things we've dropped. Time was simply
over after the Impress and slideshow rework.

But since we're now building heavily on UNO API, a clever script
programmer could bring that back to life - selecting a path shape in
Impress and assigning that to another shape's effect (note that,
internally, you can still perfectly well animate shapes along
paths. It's just not currently editable via Impress UI). For further
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> Really having something to trigger events such as the already defined
> sound effects or a graphic fade etc would be a good start. I would not
> have though that too difficult to implement. Just store the coordinates
> of where the event is to take place and apply the effect when the image
> is at that point.
>
That would be kinda hard to force into the internal mechanics. But
what about simply splitting up the path into multiple, touching
subsets, with each of them controlling a separate effect (separate
effects can trigger events at start or end)? You can even have a macro
or script that hides that for a user...

HTH,

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Re: [discuss] Re: MSN Producer like program in OO Impress's future

[Chad Smith]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Friday 18 March 2005 13:16, Chad Smith wrote:
 

I understand your political point, but arguing over how to do
this and be as "pure" as possible is just going to slow the
whole exercise down to a crawl and force people like me to use
Windows even longer.
 

Amen.  Well said Rod.  Thank you for bringing some sense into
this.
   

I think that you also should check out Linspire again, Chad.  I know 
that you had an installation issue, but have you checked out the 
prices at Sub300.com recently?  They have really decent boxes for 
not that much.  
 

Hi Christian,
I'm actually quite happy with MEPIS for the time being.  They have 
something similar to CNR, but, it's free.  It's very cool.

Thanks for the suggestion, though.
-Chad Smith

Re: [discuss] MSN Producer like program in OO Impress's future

[Christian Einfeldt]

On Thursday 17 March 2005 20:54, Jonathon Blake wrote:
> Chad wrote
>
> >Who cares if it "would fly in the Linux market"?
>
> Because that is where the Geeks are.  
>
> On a more serious note, is this patch multi-platform?
>
> I'm guessing that it is.
>
> > But since someone *FROM HELIX* did it for us, and even signed
> > the freaking JCA!
>
> +1
>
> Now how long will it take for SUN to incorporate it into OOo?
>
> Christian was wanting to know why there is some reluctance to
> contribute back to OOo.  He can track this issue, and see what
> the end result is.

Hi Jonathan,

I am missing the issue here.  I'll try to state it, to see if I've 
got it.  Someone wants to use some feature of the OOo 2.0, but 2.0 
requires Java for that function.  The user objects to Sun's 
obviously wacko "closed open source" license for Java.  You are 
using this issue to illustrate the point that OOo is inflexible 
because we and our leads are too beholden to Sun.  Did I get that 
right? 

WRT to Java, all I can say is one word:  Mono.  Sun is eventually 
going to have to open Java, or Mono is going to be a low-end 
disruption for Java, if I understand Java and Mono correctly.  If 
not Mono, then some other open source alternative.  I hear lots of 
developers talking positively about Java's functionality, but they 
don't like being restricted by Java's license, which IMHO prevents 
Java from getting the maximum traction that it could. 

Sun gets slammed all the time in the financial press for its 
difficulty in monetizing Java.  IMHO, Sun was one of the first to 
get hit by the disruptive open source tsunami, and Sun is just 
trying to recover and stop the slide for the time being.  Sun is 
having major problems with its market capitalization, and so it is 
trying to convince Wall Street that it has a plan to staunch the 
bleeding on a short term basis.  This is due to the Street's myopic 
vision on quarterly and annual performance.  

I actually believe that Sun has the vision to look past the short 
term foolishness of the Street, but they are like the kid who sees 
that the Emperor has no clothes.  They can't tell the Street that 
just looking at quarter over quarter performance is not enough, 
because the whole system is based on quarterly performance. 

I do believe that Sun sees the long term view, and is just trying to 
minimize the current bleeding caused by Linux with regard to its 
larger hardware and software offerings.  Sun is a big ship, and 
Sun's current predicament is evidence supporting the power of 
Christensen's analysis re the difficulty that market leaders have 
in responding to disruptive technologies.  

But IMHO, it's important that we here at OOo keep our eyes focused 
on the longer term picture.  Sun has an plan for driving revenue 
from open source.  Microsoft doesn't.  Microsoft is fleeing up 
market, using increasingly integrated solutions under conditions 
which are increasingly calling for modular solutions.  

You can think of the difference between lots of little earthquakes 
versus one big earthquake.  IMHO, Sun got hit by say a 5.5 
earthquake, it has rocked Sun's house and thrown quite a bit of 
dishes and pictures off of the walls, and cracked the sheet rock on 
the walls a bit.  There have also been lots and lots of subsequent 
tremors, like for example, Danese Cooper now announcing in the news 
today that she is going to be going to Intel.  (See this link):

http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/index.php?p=1168

But Sun's foundation has not been cracked, and Sun is using this 
rebuilding phase as an opportunity to structurally reinforce its 
house.

Microsoft, by contrast, is living in a brick and mortar house in a 
liquifaction like the San Francisco Marina, and is facing the 
possiblity of catastrophic failure, due to its insistence on 
continuing to sell commodities (Windows and Office) at premium 
prices.  If it doesn't change its biz model soon, it will leave a 
huge vacuum in the software industry, and Sun and Novell and others 
will be able to move in and fill the holes left as Microsoft 
shrinks.  

Plus, Microsoft doesn't really have a solution for the developing 
world, and Sun and Novell and HP do.  So IMHO, I am not worried 
about Sun's current plans for Java and embedding more Java 
requirements in OOo 2.0.  I wish that they would open OOo more, but 
they feel that they need to do this probably to show Wall Street 
that they have a plan for monetizing Java.  Eventually, when it's 
too late, the Street will wake up, see that the Emperor has no 
clothes, and Sun will be poised to move toward more opennenss, and 
will be better able to monetize a more fully open Java and Star 
Office / OOo.  

On the short term, though, I understand your point, Jonathan, about 
developers outside Sun getting peeved about limitations on the OOo 
code.  It's a complex issue.  IMHO, we need to hunker down, and 
hope that the digital tipping point arrives sooner rather than 
later.  But hopefully not before 

Re: [discuss] User Manual

[Chris BONDE]

I have done some documentation for Main Frame computers, that is awhile back.
I have written some very formal documents, again awhile back.
My English is Canadian (the people who translate for the British and Americans)
I donot know how I would be able to help but I am planning on checking things 
out 
and offering my help.

Chris

> Hello Gene,
> 
> Yes, actually, we have a team working on a manual, and we need YOUR
> help. This is the OOoAuthors project. Take a look at our site:
> 
> http://oooauthors.org
> 
> Please make a login and take a look around.
> 
> I strongly encourage you to join our team and work on the suer guide.
> The OOoAuthors team is very active, friendly and positive. You'll
> enjoy working with us.
> 
> Right now we have a user guide for OOo 1.x and we are working on a
> user guide for OOo 2.0. This is a lot of work, and we definitely need
> you to help out. We actually have separate guides for each major
> component (Writer, Calc, etc) that we're working on.
> 
> The people in the CC line (Jean and Janet) are our editors. Janet is
> the editor for the Writer Guide. Jean is the editor for the other
> guides, as well as the chief editor for OOoAuthors.
> 
> If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask.
> 
> Welcome aboard!
> 
> Cheers,
> Daniel.
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2005 at 10:40:48PM -0800, Gene McGuire wrote:
> > Greetings,
> > I would like to prepare a user manual of this outstanding product. 
> > This manual could be distributed with the software in printed form
> > or as a PDF.  I have tried to figure how to use the help files but
> > that would entail retyping reams of information.  If there were a
> > way to get this info out I would like to offer my services to create
> > such a manual. For clarity I feel that some topics may require
> > graphics which I would provide.
> > 
> > Someone is probably already working on this but if not I am
> > available to assist.  It should be understood that any document I
> > would prepare would not be released until approved by the
> > appropriate office.
> > 
> > Thanks
> > Gene McGuire
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[discuss] page numbering

[Larry Gusaas]

I sent this before but it didn't seem to go through


On 17 Mar 2005 at 5:54, Daniel Carrera wrote:
> > Open Office CAN NOT do page numbers.  With a book project I needed Pages > i,ii, 
... at the
> beginning and page 1, 2, ... later!!! 
>
> Yes it can.
>
> If you take a look at the OOoAuthors user guides you will see that this is exactly what we have. 
The
> first page has no page number. The following 2 pages have Roman numerals (i, ii) and the following
> pages have Arabic numbers (1, 2, ...). 
>
> Take a look:
>
> http://oooauthors.org/groups/authors/userguide/writerguide/IntroStyles.sxw
>
> This is the "Intro to Styles" chapter. Not only does it use the feature you ask about, 
it also
> explains how to do it (see the section on page styles). 
>
"Intro to Styles" states
Page numbering
Many people first encounter page styles 
when they want to number pages. 
OpenOffice.org (OOo) has a very powerful system for numbering pages, but to make 
full use of it you need to learn something about page styles.

It is true that it is a powerful system for page numbering. However, it is complicated and 
completely non-intuitive. Every other word processor I have used has a simple button on 
the menu to turn page numbering on or off, which is all I need most of the time. Open 
Office doesn't. It is difficult to figure out how to use what should be a simple on or off 
feature. Not everyone needs to set up complex styles  just to use a simple function that 
other  word processors do in on step.


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Re: [discuss] MSN Producer like program in OO Impress's future

[Chad Smith]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My prediction is that if it contains no Java, it will be rejected.  
If contains Java, it might be accepted.
 

That is ludicris!  You think every thing Sun adds to OOo involves Java?  
Um... No.  OOo as a whole functions just fine *WITHOUT* Java.  And OOo 
as a whole was donated and is maintained *BY SUN*.  There are some 
features that require Java, that is true - but not anywhere near all of 
them.  You don't like Java for some reason - that's fine, whatever 
floats your boat.  And you are pissed off because you "have to" use it 
to get to some of those very few features that require it.  I'm sorry 
for you - I really am.  But don't accuse Sun of only including features 
that require Java - that's so stupid it hurts to read.  Sun's decision 
on the inclusion or exclusion of the feauture is wholely unrelated to 
it's Java-ness.  Some people on this list have their freaking 
hobby-horses that they have to ride and try in vain to relate every 
issue in the world to that pet issue of theirs.  If you don't like Java 
- don't use it.  If you don't like Sun - don't use their products.  If 
you don't like OOo's use of Java - don't install the Java version.  But 
don't claim that every new feature of OOo is locked into Java.  It's 
simply not true.  Sun will include the features that Sun think will make 
OOo a better program.  End of story.

a) There are a number of indications that SUN does _not_ understand FLOSS.
 

Like it's numerous contributions to it - like OpenOffice.org, right?
b) I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a shareholder suit or two,
because Sun is _not_ maximizing profits, with its support of FLOSS.
 

Well that's a mixed message isn't it?  Sun doesn't get FLOSS, but they 
are throwing so much money at it, the stock holders are going to get 
pissed.  RiiiIIIght

Sun has an plan for driving revenue from open source.  
   

Will they be able to adhere to that plan?
 

Let me just peer into my crstyal ball and find out
MS could go belly up tomorrow - even if it is Saturday.  The European 
Market could skyrocket and every company over there could buy and sell 
WalMart like baseball cards within weeks.  Sun could become the ultimate 
software company in the world - FLOSS and otherwise overnight.

Or, Sun could collaspe, and MS could go FLOSS.  There's no way of 
knowing.  Asking people who A) don't work for Sun B) Aren't executives 
at Sun C) don't own Sun stock D) Can't predict the future, even if A-C 
were true and E) don't even know what they're having for Breakfast on 
Monday - to tell you what a multi-million (or is it billion) dollar 
company is going to be able to do for some unknown, unspecified amount 
of time - is *STUPID*.

Sun has said they will support FLOSS  -  They have continuous and 
repeatedly displayed that support, with time, money, code, programmers, 
marketing, and more.  If you don't believe them, that's you're 
priveldge.  As for me, OOo alone is enough to prove their sincerity.

Microsoft, by contrast, is living in a brick and mortar house 
   

a) The first prediction I read of Microsoft's demise, was around 1992.
The number of units of Win95 that had to be sold, to break even,
exceeded the total number of operating systems sold, leased, or
pirated, since circa 1948.
b) The second prediction was around 1995.  It predicted the fall would
start in 2000, and by 2005, Microsoft would be history, because all of
the stock had been cashed in, and the new employees were not going to
work for wages alone.
c) The next prediction I read was around 98.  This was when Microsoft
was settling a string of anti-monopoly suits, and the Dept of Justice
trial was just getting started.  The settled lawsuits had one thing in
common --- Microsoft admitted that they were violating the anti-trust
act, and did so with the sole intent of ensuring that it had no
competition at all. The justice department rolled over, and played
dead.
d) Now.  There is the claim that microsoft is fleeing upstream, to
maintain profit levels.  As that upstream market decreases, so its
profits fall.  The problem with that theory, is that microsoft is
lowering the cost of Office on one end, and raising it at the other
end, with more features.  [The low end version of Office is around
$100.  The high end version of Office is around $50K.  The high end is
going to subsidize the low end.]
 

Very nice summary of why I don't fear for Microsoft's future.  That and 
$50 Billion in the bank - don't forget that.

about Sun's current plans for Java and embedding more Java
requirements in OOo 2.0.
   

Enter:
a) Shareholder lawsuits against Sun.
b) Microsoft lawsuits against OOo users.
Net result:  OOo is dead in the water, and FLOSS is all but illegal to
use in the US.
 

That is insane.  There is no evidence of any of that happening - ever.  
THat is pure and complete FUD paranoia.  That will *NEVER* happen.  You 
are out of your mind.

Having to rewrite OOo to remove the Java code is what pe

Re: [discuss] HINTS AND IDEAS ABOUT MY converter issue

[=?ISO-8859-2?Q?KamiH=EDr?=]

KamiHír írta:
Hey!
Can  Someone help me to locate the problem and provide the patch? 
Which files I have to check? I will download the source tomorrow..-.
Thanks,
KAMI

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Sorry, I didn't passted my issues link: 
http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=44863

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Re: [discuss] MSN Producer like program in OO Impress's future

[Chad Smith]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
Need I remind you of all the java parts in OO.o that were and probably
still are deactivated on lots of Linux systems ?
Do I *care* that the Java stuff is turned off?  No.  Would I even 
*notice* if they were?  No.  The Java stuff is so small, and so limited 
to such specific functions that I don't even use, that I would never 
notice if they were completely removed.  I don't use the accessablity 
stuff.  I have been blessed to not need them.  Other than those 
functions, I don't even know of stuff that needs Java.  I install Java 
on every system I own, and even the ones I use at work.  Just like I 
install GTK, Flash players, Adobe readers, and a half-dozen or so other 
"dependencies" depending on the OS.  If a program is out there, and I 
can use it, open source or not, "Free" or just free, as long as it 
doesn't have spyware, viruses, or ads - I would use it (assuming I have 
need of it).  I don't limit myself by politically derived definitions of 
"free".  If it is legally accessable to me, and I want to do something 
with it, I take it.  That includes iTunes, Windows Media Player, 
Netscape, and Linux.  Yes, I just used "Netscape" the great whore of AOL 
is the same sentence as Linux.  It's all the same to me.  Free is free - 
even if it ain't *Free*.  If Microsoft offered a free version of MS 
Office for Linux - I'd take it.  I'd run it side-by-side with OOo, 
Koffice, and Abiword.  I have on my current WIndows box over 15 office 
suites - most of which were free downloads.  Some of them were open 
source - like OOo.  Some of them are shareware.  Some of them are 
crippleware.  SOme of them are nagware.  SOme of them are just free 
trials.  SOme are full-blown propriatary.  I have them because they are 
free, and I want to try them out to see what's out there.  I don't want 
to limit myself to *only* open source.  I couldn't if I wanted to.  Open 
Source doesn't offer everything I need.  Java is free.  And, Java is now 
(or soon will be) open source as well.  Helix player is and has been 
open source.  Including it into OOo will in no way limit its 
"openness".  Frankly, if it works, I'm all for it.  If you don't want to 
use it - you don't have to.  If the "freedom" freaks you speak for don't 
want to use it - they don't have to.  But it's there.  Take it or leave it.

You can get whatever you
want in OpenOffice.org sources. At the end of the day it's the
distribution people that choose whether the added functionnality is worth
maintaining the external parts they depend on
Right, and I don't think you or I are one of those people.
(and right now the Helix
framework is used by so few people outside Real I can see it being axed in
a few years)
 

You know, I don't really care where *you* see Helix in a few years.  I 
doubt the people who make the decisions around here do either.  I doubt 
they care what I think.  But, it really doesn't matter if the Helix 
group exists next year or not.  If the plaayer is functional now (and it 
is) it will be functional 20 years after Helix the group is dead and 
buried.  The great thing about open source is, you can change it 
yourself.  And the people who maintain and improve OOo could - if they 
needed to - take over and maintain the would-be abandoned Helix Player, 
and make it a part of OOo's project, and maintain it themselves.  Having 
control of it "in-house" would be a tad more secure and stable than 
hoping this or that other FLOSS project holds together, don't you 
think?  I mean, Mplayer has the same risk, doesn't it?  or OGG?  I mean, 
any group - even non-FLOSS groups and companies, they can all go belly 
up.  It's pointless to argue about it.

If it gets "axed" in a few years - we'll be up to OOo 4.0 or higher by 
then, and OOo may have its own native media player, built from the 
ground up.  Or Impress might just take on that role as presentations 
become more and more animated and more and more intergrated with sound 
and video.  "A few years" is a long freaking time in computers.  A few 
years ago, 1.0 GHz was insanely fast, and a DVD burner was unheard of.  
A few years ago, OOo was little more than a dream.  A few years ago, 
Helix player didn't exist.  A few years ago, Linux was only usable by 
geeks.  A few years ago, an iPod sounded like a place iPeas grew.  A few 
years ago, cell phones didn't have color, much less cameras, PDAs, 
games, and text-messaging.  I'm not worried about "a few years from 
now".  I'm worried about today.

The fact is, *TODAY* Microsoft is offering this level of 
funcationality.  In fact, they are doing so *for free*.  MS Producer is 
a free download.  You do have to have a working copy of Powerpoint for 
it to work - but we're completing against Powerpoint already.  The fact 
is *TODAY* someone, a fellow FLOSS supporter, has offered this 
functionality to us as a project, and to OOo users around the world *FOR 
FREE*, and has signed all the approipriate documents for it to be 
included open so

Re: [discuss] MSN Producer like program in OO Impress's future

[Chad Smith]

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Hi Chad!
I'm a bit confused.  What contributer are you referrring to??
http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=41419
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
The guy who wrote the code for the Helix player add-on to OpenOffice.org.
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Re: [discuss] MSN Producer like program in OO Impress's future

[Jonathon Blake]

Chad wrote:

> That is ludicris!  You think every thing Sun adds to OOo involves Java?

Which explains why the code base in 2.0 is more dependent on Java than
1.1.5, which is more dependent on Java than 1.1.4.

And also why OOo 2.0.1 will be more deependent on Java than 2.0.

Or hadn't you noticed that trend?

> don't claim that every new feature of OOo is locked into Java.  

That is what the trend is.

> Like it's numerous contributions to it - like OpenOffice.org, right?

Actually, OOo is an excellent example of how they _don't_ get FLOSS.

> Well that's a mixed message isn't it?  Sun doesn't get FLOSS, but they are 
> throwing so much money at it, the stock holders are going to get pissed.  
> RiiiIIIght

>From a purely legal POV, _any_ money that SUN spends on FLOSS is
enough to trigger a shareholder suit.   The only real question is how
long the shareholders will sit.

Look at the five year, two year, and one year history of their stock
price.   Then do a comparison against the Dow, Nasdaq and S&P.  Toss
MSFT into that history.

> Very nice summary of why I don't fear for Microsoft's future.  That and $50 
> Billion in the bank - don't forget that.

> That is insane.  There is no evidence of any of that happening - ever.

I guessed you missed the speech where Balmar all but announced the
date that they would start filing suits against users of software that
violates their patents.  And who the targets of those suits were.

>That will *NEVER* happen.  You are out of your mind.

You're out of your mind, if you don't see it as a probable future.

> No - just install the non-Java version.  One freaking mouse click.  Wow - 
> that's hard!

You obviously are totally clueless as to what distributers do, when
they incorporate a package into their distribution.

I can assure you that it is not a simple one mouse click.

Think more along the lines of  writing/rewriting anywhere from 20 to
10 000 lines of code.  Then packaging it up.

> Again, pure bullshhht.  There is plenty of stuff in OOo that runs
> without any form of JAva on the machine.

Compare the percentage of Java code that is contributed, to:
a) The total code base
b) The total Java code 

Compare the percentage of non-Java code that is contributed to:
a) The total code base
b) The total non-Java code

xan

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Re: [discuss] Release of Open Office 2.0 Stable

[Justin Clift]

Alexandro Colorado wrote:
yeah is free as in beer and free as in freedom.
There's also a quickly whipped up installation walk through specifically 
for Windows XP here if you'd find that helpful.

http://www.digitaldistribution.com/community/howtoinstallooo2onxp/
There are downloads of the walkthrough on that page too if anyone's 
interested, and it'll be updated for the various official betas and 
final release too.

:)
Regards and best wishes,
Justin Clift
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Digital Distribution Global Training Services Pty. Ltd.
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[discuss] REMINDER: IRC Conf this Sunday.

[Daniel Carrera]

I'd like to remind everyone that this Sunday we will have the second in a 
series of bi-weekly IRC talks.

The speaker this weekend will be Ian Lynch, OOo for schools lead.

Title: Learning through Participation
Day:   Sunday, March 20.
Time:  21:30 UTC
URL:   http://native-lang.openoffice.org/conference/

Ian is the lead of the OOo for schools project. He will talk about the INGOTs 
program. This project is very exciting. It does not simply create open source 
awareness. It teaches kids to become active and contribute directly to FOSS.

I've seen his talk and I highly recommend it.

Hope you see you all there.


About the IRC confs:

We are starting a series of bi-weekly IRC conferences. These are informal 
conferences, around 10-20min each. They are followed by a Question & Answer 
period, and then group discussion.

The purpose of these talks is to encourage different language communities to 
exchange ideas. It also provides an opportunity for people who do not normally 
meet each other, to meet in a friendly environment.

You can see the logs for last week's talk on the IRC conf web page:
http://native-lang.openoffice.org/conference/

Cheers,
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