date:20051022

- spell check does not recognize and ignore hyperlinks
- What's this? does not show information for HYP/SEL (on status bar)

suggestion: it would be nice when dragging text to have an indicator
of where exactly the text would be dropped, besides the mouse curser,
which isn't always clear

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[discuss] format paintbrush bugs

When applying formatting from default italic text to default bold
text, formatting is applied cumulatively, so I end up with default
italic bold instead of the intended default italic.

When applying heading 3 text to heading 3 italic bold text, the result
is heading 3 italic text instead of the intended heading 3 text.

When applying default text to default bold text, the destination text
remains bold and unchanged.

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[discuss] page preview bug

go to New - HTML Document
go to source view by clicking on HTML Source button in toolbar
bug: clicking on Page Preview button in toolbar doesn't do anything

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[discuss] save as html bug

After saving document as html, toolbar and view menu does not change
to reflect new format (view HTML source does not appear on toolbar or
in view menu)

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[discuss] header, footer, and footnote bugs

insert footer, type text in footer, remove footer
bug: content of footer disappears, but deletion cannot be undone

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Re: [discuss] Post 2.0 snapshot builds?

2005-10-22 Thread Nicu Buculei


Martin Hollmichel wrote:

Hi,

There are coming soon again, I'm just still wondering how they should 
identify themselfs, such as install path, splash screen etc.


That is easy:
- for install path, do the same as for 2.0 devel, use the build number;
- splash screen: a white rectangle with OOo logo and development buid 
should fit the bill.


I wonder if we will have a public debate on what's next?

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Re: [discuss] Re: Demand OpenDocument! Sign the petition.

2005-10-22 Thread Daniel Carrera

Chad Smith wrote:

Presenting 2 bogus links

Forrester and Yankee are not bogus links.

Since everyone knows ...

:-) Not much of a proof is it?

www.cerna.ensmp.fr/cerna_regulation/Documents/ColloqueAntitrust2004/Vinje.pdfhttp://www.cerna.ensmp.fr/cerna_regulation/Documents/ColloqueAntitrust2004/Vinje.pdf

1. This is not a research study as far as I can see (if it is, I'll
concede your point).
2. Like you say, he hates Microsoft. And the purpose of this talk is
anti-Microsoft. Hence, he is certainly motivated to make Microsoft look
like a more entrenched monopoly, since that will further his point.

Now here's a website you might trust:

www.open*office*.org/product/reviews.html

* The fact that there's a link there doesn't mean that OOo endorses the
market share values there.

* The original source is an on-line magazine, not a research group.

You are getting silly Chad.

http://www.smallbizpipeline.com/172301093

*According to recent research by the Yankee Group, Microsoft's Office
product line has an astounding 90 percent market share.

This is the only valid link you've posted. It's sad that you place a
magazine article that is not even trying to estimate MSO's market share
on the same level as a research group that actually is trying.

You said everyone knows it's in the high 90's. Yankee Group disagrees
with you. 90% is not the high 90's. And 90% is a lot closer to my
estimate of 88% than your estimate of 95%.

So I was a lot closer than you were.

Isn't it weird - the Yankee Group claims MS Office has a 90% share
Now, add that to Laura Didio's 12%, and you've got yourself 102%

You need to learn how to read. Laura Didio said *19%* in *SMBs*.

And a while ago Forester estimated 8-9% on large companies and growing.
From that data I *guessed* 12% over-all, and that still was a very
reasonable guess.

And the Yankee report you just listed proves that my estimate (88%) was
a lot closer than yours (more than 95%).

You gave me two crap links. I give you 3 links,

I gave you two results by research groups, you gave me one.

A magazine writer making up a number, and an anti-MS guy trying to
explain why you should be anti-MS are not on the same level as research
studies (not that research studies are fantastic, they're just a lot
better than a made-up number).

The one valid link you posted was a lot closer to my estimate than yours.

You also fail to see that the 3 valid data points we have fit perfectly
well together:

* Yankee says MSO has 90% over-all.
* Yankee says OOo has 19% on SMBs.
* Forrester said last year that OOo had 8-9% on large businesses.

These three fit together.

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Re: [discuss] Re: Demand OpenDocument! Sign the petition.

On Fri, 2005-10-21 at 19:04 -0400, Chad Smith wrote:

 Show me some evidence - and it should be more than just download numbers
 since I have personally downloaded OOo about 75 times.

And I have downloaded it perhaps 10 times but burnt and given out
hundreds of discs. There is always going to be uncertainty in statistics
but one thing is for sure, year on year there are more OOo users. I know
you have a problem with rates of change, but really they are much better
predictors of the future than raw numbers. Rates of change involve a
time dimension and the future is time related. Take up follows
predictable patterns. These are well docmented. Slow but accelerating
start followed by a sustained more linear rate follwed by saturation and
then decay.

MSO has followed this pattern in terms of market share, particularly if
you look at rate of take of new product rather than installed base. The
rate of take up of new product is slowing because people are not
upgrading from previous versions. The interesting thing to know would be
to what extent OOo users are people moving from older versions of MSO
and other products or people who would have bought new licenses for
Office2003. If its the former, MS sales figures will not be affected
much buy OOo in the short term but of course the confidence in OOo will
grow and grow storing up a very sudden and nasty surprise for MS some
time in the future when suddenly people realise what everyone else is
doing. If OOo is taking new users from Office2003 MS will see lower than
predicted sales. My guess and its only a guess is that its probably a
combination but very difficult to be sure where the balance lies.

Still life would be boring if everything was predictable with absolute
certainty.


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Re: [discuss] japanese input

2005-10-22 Thread Kazunari Hirano

Hi Sam,
 Pablo-
 Perhaps the localization list can assist you...
Thanks.  Ja community would like to assist Pablo Berlanga-san.
khirano

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Re: [discuss] OO.O version 2.0

2005-10-22 Thread Zach Dunlap

No, both programs will run simultaneously - however if you install 2.0 
and choose to make it the default handler for any documents - 1.15 will 
no longer automatically open those documents.


John Boyle wrote:


Does one have to uninstall 1.15 before trying to uninstall version 2.0?

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Re: [discuss] Re: Demand OpenDocument! Sign the petition.

2005-10-22 Thread Wesley Parish

Actually it would be a more convincing comparison if we could persuade 
Microsoft to part with download numbers for Microsoft Office ;)

Just to drive it in that _our_ distribution is Internet-and-friend-based, 
while theirs is anything but ... !

Wesley Parish

On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 00:59, Ian Lynch wrote:
 On Fri, 2005-10-21 at 19:04 -0400, Chad Smith wrote:
  Show me some evidence - and it should be more than just download
  numbers since I have personally downloaded OOo about 75 times.

 And I have downloaded it perhaps 10 times but burnt and given out
 hundreds of discs. There is always going to be uncertainty in statistics
 but one thing is for sure, year on year there are more OOo users. I know
 you have a problem with rates of change, but really they are much better
 predictors of the future than raw numbers. Rates of change involve a
 time dimension and the future is time related. Take up follows
 predictable patterns. These are well docmented. Slow but accelerating
 start followed by a sustained more linear rate follwed by saturation and
 then decay.

 MSO has followed this pattern in terms of market share, particularly if
 you look at rate of take of new product rather than installed base. The
 rate of take up of new product is slowing because people are not
 upgrading from previous versions. The interesting thing to know would be
 to what extent OOo users are people moving from older versions of MSO
 and other products or people who would have bought new licenses for
 Office2003. If its the former, MS sales figures will not be affected
 much buy OOo in the short term but of course the confidence in OOo will
 grow and grow storing up a very sudden and nasty surprise for MS some
 time in the future when suddenly people realise what everyone else is
 doing. If OOo is taking new users from Office2003 MS will see lower than
 predicted sales. My guess and its only a guess is that its probably a
 combination but very difficult to be sure where the balance lies.

 Still life would be boring if everything was predictable with absolute
 certainty.

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Re: [discuss] Re: Demand OpenDocument! Sign the petition.

On Sat, 2005-10-22 at 00:02 +0200, Johan Vromans wrote:
 Ian Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  There are enough knowledgeable people out there to make this too risky
  for MS to even contemplate. If their apps don't produce pure and clean
  ODF rest assured it will be all over the Internet within hours.
 
 Severe bugs in Windows and IE frequently hit the Internet, but I've
 seen very few people drop Windows and switch to something better.

That's not the same argument. It requires changing technology then and
there. Discrediting lies is a lot easier.

 Yes, some do. But very few.

More and more are. Millions have upgraded to Firefox for that very
reasons you cite. Things are changing and we need to keep up the
pressure. Rolling over and saying its just an impossible task id not
going to change anything. Where we have low cost options that could make
a difference, we should take them. Ok nothing is certain but doing
nothing is not as good as doing something.

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Re: [discuss] Re: Demand OpenDocument! Sign the petition.

On Sat, 2005-10-22 at 00:00 +0200, Johan Vromans wrote:

  * OOo has a larger market share than MS Office 2003.
 
 I don't believe this.

Then look at the market research rather than personal impressions. Most
of the reputable research seems to indicate that MSO 2003 is a small
proportion of the overall office installed base. Broadly similar to the
estimates for OOo users. We have MS Office 2000 at work and it gets used
alongside OOo. I can't see any liklihood that we will ever upgrade MSO
to later versions. We didn't bother with XP or 2003 so why bother with
MSO12 - and as a business we are not unusual. But since we have MSO 2000
we might as well use it where we specifically need it. One example is
our CRM application. Chances are this will be upgraded to something
better and at that point we will be free from dependency on MSO. I also
have some particularly complex documents I need to edit in .doc format
sent out by the government. The Government have a policy not to do this
any more so its very unlikely that if MSO12 comes out that anyone will
use its MS-XML format for general distribution of files. Most people
will not be able to open them without buying MSO12 (Or perhaps 2003
dependingon how its implemented) and government are now a lot more
sensitive to this forced upgrade issue than they were in the days of
Office97. So .doc will persist for quite some time even if ODF didn't
exist. Gartner reckon there will be no significant take up in terms of
market share for MSO12 until 2008 at the earliest. By then we will be on
OOo30 at least and KOffice and other apps will have moved to ODF too.
Maybe MS maybe not. 

If ODF is adopted and government want to send out something in that
format they are not forcing anyone to buy anything. Just install OOo for
free and you can read and edit the document. If you choose to pay for
MSO and it supports ODF that is your choice but government is not
forcing you into it. If MS don't support ODF there is a real chance they
will get sidelined since even by 2010 .doc will still be by far the
biggest MS format in use. By 2010 we will be on OOo40 with proliferation
to PDAs, web based office, embeddedin games consoles etc.

So if you want to contribute maintaining the momentum for these changes,
sign the petition.

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Re: [discuss] OO.O version 2.0

2005-10-22 Thread Sam Hiser

On Fri, 2005-10-21 at 18:34 -0700, John Boyle wrote:
 Does one have to uninstall 1.15 before trying to uninstall version 2.0?
 

No.  You can but the install of the new one recommends a different
directory by default.  If you leave that recommendation alone, your
installation ought to be smooth and your 2.0 will pick up the old config
settings.

-Sam

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[discuss] pdf in 2.0

2005-10-22 Thread Andreas Hiersemenzel



All,

I have noticed that the same file converted to .pdf in 1.1.4 took less  
than half the space than the same file converted to .pdf using 2.0.


Anybody with the same concern? May be it there is an easy fix.
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Re: [discuss] Mac

2005-10-22 Thread Lars D . Noodén

Agreed.  I ran across a few messages claiming that OOo 2 is *finally* 
available for download, so I was all psyched up to download it for OS X. 
Sadly, OOo 1.1.2 is the latest version available for Macitnosh users.


What is the general timeline for OO2 for OS X, or has that been officially 
dropped?


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On Fri, 21 Oct 2005, Stephen Palkot wrote:


Hey Folks,
  Not to get angry or anything, but I think the opening page is a
touch misleading for Mac owners. You click that you want to download
2.0, you select Macintosh as your OS, and you eagerly await the
ability to download the program. Unfortunately, you're told not to use
2.0 for Mac for any real world purposes because it isn't perfected
yet. Dou! I understand these programs aren't developed overnight, and
the early versions are helpful for the program's development, but the
opening menu really led me to believe I could finally get a usable
version of 2.0. Just a thought...

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Re: [discuss] pdf in 2.0

2005-10-22 Thread Alexandro Colorado

On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 04:11:48 +0100, Andreas Hiersemenzel  
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All,

I have noticed that the same file converted to .pdf in 1.1.4 took less  
than half the space than the same file converted to .pdf using 2.0.


Anybody with the same concern? May be it there is an easy fix.


You also have hyperlinks activated, index and thumbnails on that PDF.

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Re: [discuss] Re: Demand OpenDocument! Sign the petition.

2005-10-22 Thread Chad Smith

On 10/22/05, Ian Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Most
 of the reputable research seems to indicate that MSO 2003 is a small
 proportion of the overall office installed base. Broadly similar to the
 estimates for OOo users.


Poisoning the well, much?

Most *reputable* research? So any research that disagrees with you is
disreputable, huh?

Even if you are correct. You're compairing 5 years worth of versions of an
office suite, on multiple operating systems to one, 2-year-old, one OS
version of another. Try comparing Office 2000, XP, 2001, 2003, and 2004 to
OOo. (2001 and 2004 are on Mac.)

What you suggest is not a fair compairson. The comparison I suggest would be
far more accurate.

-Chad Smith

[discuss] Thanks!

2005-10-22 Thread Louis Suarez-Potts

Thanks to all who made the launch of 2.0 so successful! As of this  
writing, I expect at least a million people have downloaded the  
application and have begun to use it.


The launch was brilliant.

it would not have been possible without the contributions of the  
mirrors (over 100!), without the dedication of the P2P group, led by  
Deepankar Datta, without the help of the website team, without the  
fantastic work of the PR group. I've already thanked some, but I'd  
like in particular to thank Charles Schulz, NLC lead, for his key  
suggestions and dedication in coordinating the NLC groups, Craig  
Adams for coming up with draft after draft and for his exemplary good  
humour and patience, Jacqueline McNally, Marketing lead, for putting  
together the strategy, Press Kit, marketing material and so much  
else, Javier Sola for sending in, at the last minute a breath of  
passion and good sense, Erwin Tenhumberg, for giving us sanity checks  
on what was said, Khirano, John McCreesh, Bernhard Dippold, and the  
PR list and IRC channel members for their company, comments, and  
more, Maarten Brouwers, Christian Lohmaier, Volker Merschmann, Kay  
Schenk, G. Roderick Singleton for the seagull emergent graphic(s) and  
for a clean website, and Stefan Taxhet, who made sure that everything  
was done and that the application was there for the demanding public.


And my thanks to the developers, the porters, localisers, supporters,  
NLC groups, and QA team who have made OpenOffice.org 2.0 what it is:  
The best, most reliable, most desired, most localised, most ported,  
most supported, and most promising free productivity suite in the world.



And if I failed to list all who made the launch so successful--well,  
my apologies!


Best,

Louis



 


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Re: [discuss] Your Spreadsheet

On Tue October 18 2005 16:12, + Barry Bramwell wrote:
  [ MODERATED ] ***
 is really good, BUT, would it be possible to make the sheet tabs change
 colour when selected, instead of just white or grey?
 Several times, when I've selected some sheets to alter them, I forget
 they're selected, continue to input data only to find that it has changed
 more that one sheet!

This sounds like a reasonable change request. Can you please report this in 
issuezilla ? ( http://openoffice.org - My Pages - Register, then when 
you receive a confirmation email, Login and File an issue )
In this way the relevant developers will see your suggestion and you will also 
see the progress of this feature if it is accepted.

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Re: [discuss] localization

On Mon October 10 2005 11:29, + Simon Kibavuidi Nsiangani wrote:
  [ MODERATED ] ***
 Hello,
 I currently am working, with Patrick Andries from the UNICODE
 consortium on submitting a request for UNICODE support for Mandombe
 script.
 I would want to know if anything can be done (an how this can be done)
 to include this support in OpenOffice.Org.
 Mandombe is currently used in DRC, Congo, Angola, Gabon, Botswana,
 Nigeria, Liberia ... by a growing community.
 However, most people in this community don't hav access to IT, because
 of lack of langual representitivity.
 We are therefore working on including support for Mandombe and native
 languages trough this scripts (which has support for tonal languages)
 in a custom linux distribution.
 We would like to include OpenOffice in this distribution since it is
 probably the best microsoft concurrent in opensource/free community.

 Our goal is to provide populations with an alternative to microsoft
 threat which is growing dangerous in these countries: well, at this
 time microsoft is willing to touch african countries too, and therefore
 planning to integrate native languages into next windows oses.
 Of course, as you may know, African countries don't have legal
 background to contain microsoft's politics yet. Therefore prevailing of
 opensource might save people some disagreements and contribute to
 generating initiative in IT.

 Basically, there now is an opentype font for mandombe. However,
 mostfeatures don't seem to work with openoffice (as with most software
 though) and that is the part we would need help for.

 The font itself is working under Adobe creative suite and was generated
 with fontlab 4.6.
 At this time we don't know about any other software that can corretcly
 display the features of the font, which are mostly ligatures.
 eg: b + a - ba (ba is a ligature of b and a).
 We are currently working on that matter with pango too and it would be
 great if we could distribute something good by the beginning of the
 next year.

It sounds to me that you should be talking to some of the developers. Since I 
am not sure which one or which group, please email dev@openoffice.org



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Re: [discuss] No Page Breaks

On Mon October 10 2005 10:25, + LoisKlein wrote:
  [ MODERATED ] ***
 In Writer, I cannot find how to eliminate page breaks in draft.  I am a
 writer and have asked others using OO how to do this and they wish for
 no page breaks in draft too.  Writers don't want anything but a blank
 screen in front of them.

 How can I get to draft with no page breaks?

View - Web Layout


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Re: [discuss] Compatibility to Office 97

On Mon October 10 2005 10:43, + APT GMBH wrote:
  [ MODERATED ] 
 Dear Users,

 up to this time I use windows office 97 for all our documentations. In this
 doc´s I also use corel draw drawings (V5.0). Word allows it to import and
 show it directly to the screen. But in OO it don´t work. What can I do in
 this case ? Many thanks or help.


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Re: [discuss] open office downloads

On Mon October 10 2005 19:25, + Brian Coulam wrote:
  [ MODERATED ] ***
 I have a bunch of server space and I have recently been interested in
 hosting downloads of open source software.  Really I have unlimited
 bandwidth and unlimited space when it all comes down to it, as long as
 i am not doing anything illegal and i am not streaming videos.  I
 would like to host the download of open office and
 whatever else you offer for free download.  Not really looking for
 anything in return.  Just wanna host downloads.  Maybe a link on your
 website when I get mine up and going, just linking to the downloads.
 I am looking for other open source software to do this to as well.
 Can you help me find anything else?


Hi Brian,
 I'm sure that the mirror project would be glad to hear from you.
http://distribution.openoffice.org/ 

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Re: [discuss] Math Editor

On Thu October 13 2005 13:58, + Claudio de Sousa wrote:
  [ MODERATED ] ***
 Hi,
 I´d like to receive, or discuss, informations concerning
 the OpenOffice Equation Editor.
 I´m experiencing it and I´d like to learn more about this
 feature... Is there any editor similar to Microsoft Equation
 Editor 3.0, I mean, with similar commands? This should
 help me a lot.
 Is there any book on this subject?


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 Just browse, for a beginning, through the first three help links here:
 http://documentation.openoffice.org/index.html

 You will find OO.org pretty straighforward to use.

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Re: [discuss] Plug-in

On Thu October 13 2005 13:46, + Ken Cushing wrote:
  [ MODERATED ] 
 The document imaging software we use imbeds a button in Word so that you
 can send the document directly to the imaging archives.  How do I go about
 doing something like that for Writer?

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Re: [discuss] Clipboard with Open Office

On Thu October 13 2005 16:03, + Jean Fabrice Lacourt wrote:
  [ MODERATED ] ***
 Hi
  i start testing your RC1
 It is totally impossible to copy and paste a table from IE or Firefox
 to calc or writer. It is very easy with word or excel.
 Firefox is very bad also for the clipboard management, but i thought
 it would be better in OO

 can you fix that?

Please explain exactly what the problem is.
Also please consider upgrading to OOo 2.0 

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Re: [discuss] Date format

On Fri October 14 2005 09:18, + user wrote:
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 Please assist me with this date format that I can't seem to change. I'm
 trying to set the date to DD.MMM , but the change is not done.

Which part of the application are you trying to make this change in ?
What version of Openoffice.org are you using ?

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Re: [discuss] Feature in Lotus WordPro

On Mon October 17 2005 04:53, + Mark Baldridge wrote:
 I have prodded the Borders in paragraph styles and cannot seem to find a
 feature that works in Lotus WordPro. I have been trying to make what is, in
 essence, an underline function that is only as long as the text.

 In WordPro, I can make the lines to the edges of the document width and
 also in OOo. But for lesser headings, WordPro allows them to extend only as
 much as the text of the title. I have not figured out how to do this in
 OOo, but would like to do this.

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 Mark wrote:
 in essence, an underline function that is only as long as the text.

 Sounds like you want:CTRLF12 Paragraph styles Underlining
 Then check the check box Individual Words.

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Re: [discuss] Note Taking with Open Office

On Sun October 16 2005 16:01, + Anthony Fielding wrote:
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 Hey, for a while I have been thinking about how I could go about
 taking notes during lectures. I had been using one note for a while
 but then got sick of using such a horrible operating system. I then
 decided to write my own note taking application, but have since gave
 up realising that nothing i could write could ever meet the power of
 one note. One note was the one single reason I installed windows in
 the first instance.

 On a whim, I crated a master template for use with OO Writer, witch to
  supprise work awsome because now I can use my fav os and office suite
 with all the tools combined.

 But, to conclude.. it would be cool if a note taking application could
 be included with the OO suite, and how many students have been waiting
 for such a tool :)

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On Mon October 17 2005 08:14, Andrew Brown wrote:
 I'm using Onenote quite a lot myself at the moment, for two things. The
 most powerful is the way that annotations are automatically attached to
 the right place in audio recordings, so that I can jump instantly from my
 notes of an interview to the exact quote. I think it migh tbe possible to
 do something like that using OOo as a starting point.

 This would involve extending the capabilities of the Navigator if it were
 done throgouhly, but you could get a long way with macros anyway.

 There is, or was, a media player built in to OOo; even if it has fallen
 out of the 2.0 builds, there are plenty of python modules that will play
 sound files and can be built into OOo components. What's needed is a new
 bookmark type which would contain informaiton about where it is in an
 audio file as well as where it is in the page. This is the sort of thing
 that I suppose XML ought to make possible.

 Similarly, but much more easily, you could build Note flags into OOo,
 using characters styles. all one needs is a mapping between characters
 styles and categories of meaning -- everything Green and bold is a to-do,
 for example -- and then collecting all examples of that particular styl
 and being able to jump between them.


 The other nice thing about onenote -- the free-form, and infinitely
 extensible page that you write on -- is harder to imitate but may be less
 useful.

 But certainly onenote is a genuinely innovative product, and one of the
 nicest things that Microsoft has ever made.

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Re: [discuss] Re: Demand OpenDocument! Sign the petition.

On Sat, 2005-10-22 at 10:51 -0400, Chad Smith wrote:
 
 
 On 10/22/05, Ian Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Most
 of the reputable research seems to indicate that MSO 2003 is a
 small
 proportion of the overall office installed base. Broadly
 similar to the
 estimates for OOo users. 
 
 Poisoning the well, much?
 
 Most *reputable* research?  So any research that disagrees with you
 is disreputable, huh?

I'm looking at the main companies - IDC, Forresters, Gartner. They are
professional research organisations with their businesses relying on
getting these things right. There is striking agreement among them. If
you are disagreeing with them its difficult to understand your motives
for doing so. Even Microsoft use these people. They pay them to do
research for them so if there was going to be some vested interest in
bias it would be far more likely to be to the company that pays their
invoices.

 Even if you are correct.  You're compairing 5 years worth of versions
 of an office suite, on multiple operating systems to one, 2-year-old,
 one OS version of another.  Try comparing Office 2000, XP, 2001, 2003,
 and 2004 to OOo.  (2001 and 2004 are on Mac.)
 
 What you suggest is not a fair compairson.  The comparison I suggest
 would be far more accurate.

Sigh. Its impossible to reason with you Chad. The purpose of the
comparison is what matters. As I keep saying and you keep failing to
grasp, rates of take up are what is important for the future not the
legacy installation of the past. Ask Daniel for a maths lesson, I'm
obviously not the teacher I used to be, he might be able to do better.
Ask MS if they care if someone is still using Office 97. They only
really care about the people buying new product and their only goal with
legacy users is to get them to buy an upgrade. That's the business
bottom line. OOo doesn't have that constraint.  We don't have to make
new sales to stay in business, we even make it easy for people who want
to stick with OOo 1.x. But broadly the number of OOo users world wide,
according to the independent (some would say in MS's pocket) researchers
is similar to the number of OOo2003 users. That is significant because
if that is the situation at the launch of MSO12 and OOo continues to
grow at current rates it could well be that MSO12 never gets more users
than OOo - all the OOo users can upgrade for free so the siginificant
comparison is them and the customers actually buying or about to buy
MSOffice12, not all the Office 97, 2000, XP, 2003 users who are not
thinking of upgrades any time soon. That really would be a tipping
point.

BTW, have you signed the petition yet?

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Re: [discuss] Printing Issue with OpenOffice Writer

On Thu October 6 2005 01:56, + Erwin Calata wrote:
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 Good Day!!!

 We've implemented the OpenOffice.org, thanks for the
 product. As we use the Writer we encounter some printing
 issues. We are using HP Laserjet 1150.

 On the screen I encoded like this:

 1. Probe
 2. Poetry
 etc...

 but when I tried to print using HP Laserjet 1150, the
 printout shows like this:

 1. P  robe
 2. P  oetry

 but when I tried with the other printer HP Laser jet 6,
 the output is ok.

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On Thu October 6 2005 11:47, Joost Andrae wrote:
 Hello Erwin,

 AFAIK this is a known issue:
 http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=46968

 Please have a look at it as there seems to be a workaround for this
 until this issue get's fixed.

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Re: [discuss] Re: Demand OpenDocument! Sign the petition.

2005-10-22 Thread Daniel Carrera


Chad Smith wrote:


If you want to compare OOo to MSO 2003, you should limit it to the versions
released since 2003 - and/or the number of installs since 2003.


The majority of OOo installs are less that 2 years old. 2003 is OOo 1.0. 
That's ancient.


But you still miss the concept of *rates* of *change* and acceleration. 
MS Office is slowing down, OOo is speeding up. People are moving to OOo 
faster than they are moving to the next version of MSO. Extrapolate!


And the base argument (that started this thread) is not even about OOo 
but about OpenDocument. Add the uptake of StarOffice, IBM Workplace, 
KOffice (they'll have a Windows version next year) and Abiword.


The basic facts are:
* More people use OpenDocument today than MS XML.
* More people are *able* to use OpenDocument today than MS XML.
* People are moving to OpenDocument a lot faster than to MS XML.
* Update of OpenDocument-enabled applications is accelerating.
* Update of MS XML-enabled applications is decelerating.

You're a smart person Chad. EXTRAPOLATE!


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Re: [discuss] Re: Demand OpenDocument! Sign the petition.

On Sat, 2005-10-22 at 13:17 -0400, Chad Smith wrote:
 
 I will leave your way-off-base rant intact to show you how wrong you
 are.

Rants are usually filled with emotional invective. I'll leave that
accolade to you, Chad :-)

 I understand what you are trying to do, you're trying to make OOo look
 good.  But you are doing so in a dishonest way.

I'm trying to get a handle on trends and what is likely to happen in the
future and the reasons why. While you accuse me of dishonesty, I will
counter that I don't think you are dishonest, just lacking in the
capacity to understand second order relationships.

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Re: [discuss] OO.O version 2.0

2005-10-22 Thread John Boyle


Alexandro Colorado wrote:

On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 02:34:33 +0100, John Boyle [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:



Does one have to uninstall 1.15 before trying to uninstall version 2.0?

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Re: [discuss] page preview bug

Am Samstag, 22. Oktober 2005 08:51 schrieb Joe Lin:
 go to New - HTML Document
 go to source view by clicking on HTML Source button in toolbar
 bug: clicking on Page Preview button in toolbar doesn't do anything

I can confirm this on OO.org 2.0 1.9.125 on Linux. Whether a page preview (or 
better: Print preview) is intended in html editing mode I can't tell. Either 
way, the button should do something or it shouldn't be there.

Thanks for reporting. Please file this bug in Issuezilla. Check first, whether 
it has been reported already.

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Re: [discuss] OpenOffice.org 2.0 - How to install multiple UI-Languages?

Am Samstag, 22. Oktober 2005 10:43 schrieb Stephan Gromer:
 Dear all,

 I am managing the PCs in a small university laboratory and I would
 like to convert our M$-Office installations into OOo 2.0s during my
 efforts to prepare the switch from WinXP to Linux. However, we
 are an international crowd and (of course) everybody wants to use OOo
 in its native language (Not only the dictionary which is simple. I
 need the GUI adjusted for each user).

So do you want to know how this is done on WinXP or on Linux - not clear 
whether you want to make the move to OO.org first and later to Linux.

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Re: [discuss] save as html bug

Am Samstag, 22. Oktober 2005 09:03 schrieb Joe Lin:
 After saving document as html, toolbar and view menu does not change
 to reflect new format (view HTML source does not appear on toolbar or
 in view menu)

Can confirm this on OO.org 1.9.125. Whether that's intended or not, it's worth 
filing this in Issuezilla. Thanks for reporting, Joe.

Guido

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Re: [discuss] header, footer, and footnote bugs