Re: [discuss] Make Wrtite a little better
On Wednesday 17 Nov 2010 13:25:29 Sabiazoth wrote: Well, with that said, you said a mouthful. You can't really complain what is free, can you, David? You sure put a lid on my mouth. Thank you for pointing out the importance of free software. I must say, I probably won't complain any longer. It is true that with Microsoft Office you can do more stuff than what you can do with Open Office; but unlike Open Office, Microsoft Office tends to empty out your pockets. Actually OOo will do quite a bit more than MSO, Handle multiple nonnative file formats Run on Multiple platforms, MacIntel, Linux, BSD, Solaris, Windows and others too many to list Is available in over a hundred languages one click export to PDF Edit PDFs Create PDF forms Doesn't matter that it's free, I'd still pay for it, more in fact, than I'd be willing to pay for MSO that's for certain Cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Open Technologies) www.theingots.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] Make Wrtite a little better
On Thursday 18 Nov 2010 04:02:52 David B Teague wrote: On 11/17/2010 7:12 AM, Graham Lauder wrote: Actually OOo will do quite a bit more than MSO, SNIP Edit PDFs I would like to know more about editing a PDF file with OOo. I know there is an add-on that enable pdf import into Draw. Incidentally, this also enables hybrid pdf-odt export. While Writer is wonderfully easy for me, Draw is yet opaque. Can you say a few words about what you do and how you do it, with a PDF file in OO.o? Please, if you provide details, respond OFF LIST. An on list RTFM and the usual chiding for not looking it myself will be much better IF you include a link to the Draw beginner's Fine Manual. --David Hi David, it's actually quite simple if you get familiar with Draw, it simply treats blocks of text in the PDF as a section or a text box. If you have the PDFimport extension installed just open OOo and go fileopenfoo.pdf. Use the standard Draw tools from there. Click on a line of text reveals the text box, double clicking puts your cursor in the text box and ready to edit. Intro to Draw Wiki stuff here: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOo3_User_Guides/Draw_Guide/Introducing_Draw Getting started PDF is here http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/images/8/87/0107GS3- GettingStartedWithDraw.pdf Full manual in PDF form here http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/images/f/f7/0400DG3-DrawGuide.pdf Cheers GL - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Open Technologies) www.theingots.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] Suggestions
On Friday 12 Nov 2010 09:43:42 Wm Stewart wrote: On 11/10/2010 5:09 PM, Graham Lauder wrote: OOo has around 20% market share in Europe and growing fast globally. This would be very good news, and a statistic I can use to great effect. Can you provide a reference for this? http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice- market-shares.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Open Technologies) www.theingots.org
Re: [discuss] Re: Suggestions
On Saturday 13 Nov 2010 11:32:05 Robert Derman wrote: Really? Tell that to all those on dial-up connections. Statistically very few people are on dial up any more. Also if the manual is provided as an ODF file it really wouldn't have to be very large. thats one of the virtues of ODF, it make for very compact document storage. About 40% in NZ, including me. even many of those with broadband are stuck on 128k, that's reflected in rural communities everywhere, your statement shows little grasp of the facts. It may be so in your small part of the world, but not reflected worldwide. Cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Open Technologies) www.theingots.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] Suggestions
On Wednesday 10 Nov 2010 23:42:29 Joshua Zambrano wrote: Hello, I just wanted to drop off some recommendations for OpenOffice, as a user of office suites. -CALC - Merge Cells. No capability to merge cells that I can see, a very valuable feature. Format Merge Cells, been there since day one - Turn Off Auto Complete. Keeps turning everything it can into date format, very annoying. Should be able to turn this off, but option not visible that I can see. Tools Cell Contents ..uncheck autoinput - Remove Hyperlinks. Hyperlinks shown can't be easily deleted. Going to the hyperlink window does not show an address there. Should be able to hit backspace to remove hyperlink like with MS Excel, but does not work. This forces you to delete hyperlinks and type in the whole link text over again, also time-consuming. Um, not sure what you're doing here but it all works as expected in my version. Highlight cell, content appears in the formula bar, edit as required. - Mass Format Change. Highlighting many cells and trying to change the format (number/date/text/currency) does not work, you must change each individually, a time-consuming issue. Um select all the cells you want, right click on the selected area, choose format cells. Works every time on mine - Optimize Rows/Columns: Going to optimize row heights or column widths does not work. It does not set them to ideal settings, merely makes them even wider. Let alone the shortcut of clicking upper left cell and then a row/column boundary to instantly optimize size like in MS Excel. Um again, what are you doing? FormatRow(or Column) optimal height(width) the dialog opens and allows you to pad the cell to your requirements or use the default. -WRITER - Can't Open MS Word 2010 .doc Files. Crashes just trying to open them. That's an MS problem with their file format, however the latest version of OOo handles docx without problems I will add that OOo is not a free version of MS office and if that's the way you think of it, then you are missing out on a lot of features in OOo that MSO doesn't have. Don't expect OOo to work exactly the same as MSO, it's not designed that way. These sort of posts often draw a RTFM (Read The F**king Manual) response, because you don't come in asking for some assistance, you come in demanding that the software do things your way when it already does those things but using a slightly different method. Take some time to do some discovery. Cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Open Technologies) www.theingots.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] Suggestions
On Thursday 11 Nov 2010 09:47:40 Robert Derman wrote: The real problem here is that there is no manual to read! I think that its about time that the download package came with a good users manual that explains where all the features and controls are, tells about all the great features that it has that MS Office lacks, and has a section that mentions things that people do with MS Office, and then tells you how to do them with OOo. MS even though they are the best known software vendor is often sorely lacking in the area of user support particularly manuals, I remember when MS-DOS came with a nice 1/2 inch thick manual, as did Win-95, today Win-7 comes with at best a leaflet. One way for OOo to distinguish itself would be to come with a good manual, especially a version formatted for 8.5x11 so it could be printed out without the horrible paper waste that comes with manuals formatted 5x7. There are Manuals at documentation.openoffice.org and yea there could be an easier way to get to them. Perhaps at install a prompt Would you like to download 'Getting started with OOo'? during the install process or something similar. Perhaps having the Getting Started manual as part of the download that extracts next to the installer. Cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Open Technologies) www.theingots.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] Re: How to make OO the standard
On Tuesday 19 Oct 2010 02:28:36 Wm Stewart wrote: Thanks for your thoughtful response. I don't think we need round-tripping to achieve the goal. My point is that getting the world to convert to ODF when the majority software is Office is not working. And the world is not converting to OO when it cannot handle the majority format in use now. However, if we break the problem down into two manageable pieces - one of the oldest techniques in the software book - the problem becomes solvable: 1. If OO could handle the last issues with MS formats (which it gets closer to with every release) then the main barrier would be removed, and people would switch for all the usual advantages - cost and openness. 2. Once the majority of users use OO, it would be a much easier step to move to ODF for all the usual reasons - long term access and openness. I don't see the second step happening without the first step. If Oracle can focus development resources on the first step, the second will follow. The two most common issues I find with incompatibility between OOo and MSO tend to rotate around Fonts and tables especially in mixed platform environments. The fonts issue is reasonably easily fixed but it has to be done at the user end because MSO uses it's own proprietary fonts and OOo can't ship with them. Tables are still an issue but in an environment where round tripping is not a requirement then PDF export is the best solution. ODF support will come from the MSO end and OOo will get better with OOXML. Unfortunately I don't have any clients right now that work in a MSO07/10 - OOo mixed environment to say how that's going. ODF still has limitations, especially with spreadsheets and OOXML is a massive gludge of conflicting requirements and is not really supported that well in MSO in any case. The issue is that not one individual application development team, either MS or OOo can solve the problem on their own, or at least not without huge investment. It will take a substantial collaborative effort between the main parties, probably under the umbrella of OASIS, to solve it. But right now the cost benefit ratio does not add up. Our market share is rising at a substantial rate, part of that is due to a reasonable compatibility with legacy document types, for most use cases it is good enough and for OOo developers therefore we can say good enough is OK so we can focus on other functionality that gives us the best points of difference. Would I like 100% roundtripping capability? You bet, but not at the expense of all other areas of development, which is pretty much what it would require. Cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Open Technologies) www.theingots.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] Re: How to make OO the standard
On Monday 18 Oct 2010 23:42:28 Wm Stewart wrote: On 10/17/2010 9:27 PM, Michael Adams wrote: They change every time a new version of Microsoft Office is released. This common perception is not true. The reality is that there have only been four Word formats in the last 20 years: - Word 6 - Word 95 - Word 97/2000/XP - Docx You forgot 2003 XML As mentioned, user dissatisfaction with the last change will greatly impede any further changes. OO has *almost* perfect compatibility with all of the above now, evidence on the ground that compatibility can be achieved, making all of the theoretical arguments that it cannot be done irrelevant. If we go the last 2%, OO will be the standard very quickly, and the ODF format will then follow since the path will be greatly eased. In fact the last 2% is not really the problem, the real problem is round- tripping and unfortunately we don't control that. I'm pretty sure that most realise that the 2% could be done, with sufficient developer time and at a cost that far outweighs the benefit, but it would still be stymied by the round tripping requirement. A solution to this would require a concerted effort in collaboration with the MSO folks, but that's not going to happen any time soon. The Novell guys who produce the go-oo.org version have a nice Technology Sharing deal with MS with a supposedly high focus on compatibility and even theirs doesn't round trip. Existing users could make more use of the software than many do now, and they could spread the good news widely and with confidence new users would have a good experience. True unvarnished evangelism. All hail the word processor ;) The good news is a version of the Bible isn't it? I've noticed a pattern in the responses of those that don't want OO to be compatible with the de facto existing standard. Emotion. As a middle aged developer that took some time to learn this lesson, I pass on to you some invaluable advice - this kind of emotion is a distortion field that prevents your rational mind from accepting new information. When having to change your mind becomes an emotionally painful event, you will increasingly become an ideologue - completely sure of your comfortable position, and unable to grow. Fwiw. I must admit to being in the don't need it camp.I have used OOo and it's SO predecessor from 5.0 since about 1998 IIRC in all my businesses and I've had no issues that couldn't be easily solved, although it's possible that all of my customers were just reasonable people when I asked them to slightly change the way they sent me documents. But then I wasn't trying to find problems with the software I was looking for solutions. I train people in corporates how to deal with the small niggles that these sorts of issues cause in a mixed platform environment. In that we do the same thing, find a solution. Often we find solutions that not only solve incompatibility problems with MSO -OOo, but also MSO to other programmes. Problems are always easy to cry about but solutions work better and are actually much more satisfying. Cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Open Technologies) www.theingots.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
[discuss] Re: LibreOffice
On Thursday 30 Sep 2010 16:37, Marius Popa scribbled: What is LibreOffice? Is it the successor of OpenOffice.org or what? http://www.documentfoundation.org/faq/ -- Graham Davis, Bracknell, Berks. E-mail: newsman, not newsboy. It pays to keep an open mind, but not so open your brains fall out. - Carl Sagan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] Re: Re: Impress - start macro on 'new slide'
On Monday 13 Sep 2010 20:06:11 Harold Fuchs wrote:
Mike Scott m...@scottsonline.org.uk wrote in message
news:4c8dd44d.1020...@scottsonline.org.uk...
On 12/09/2010 18:33, NoOp wrote:
On 09/12/2010 12:29 AM, Mike Scott wrote:
...
Meanwhile, I did find in the help file mention of specifying a macro
to run
when a given image is loaded, which promised a workaround of sorts
for me.
But the help file is highly misleading, I'm afraid - it tells me to
Choose
Insert/Format - Picture - Macro tab which is nowhere to be found in
Impress
-- although it /is/ there in Writer (but not Draw or Calc)!!! It's
yet
Not that it works. Does anyone know exactly what run macro 'on graphics
load successful' might mean? It's clearly not what I thought/hoped, ie
'when image appears'.
Just a thought... Once you get that figured out, you might need to
reduce macro security: Tools|Options|OOo...|Security to get it to run.
These may (or may not) be of help also:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/DevGuide/Scripti
ng/Writing_Macros
Thanks for the reply.
I've got macro security set to 'ask me', so that's not an issue. I've had
the same macro set for various events for a graphic - mouse over, mouse
leaving, on-click all seem to work as expected. None of the graphics load
events (ok, failed, etc) seems to do anything at all. Nor can I find any
documentation as to what they are supposed to do.
I've seen the macro page above, thank, but it's rather general. I did
search the wiki a while ago for more specific help, but no luck :-{
Meanwhile (and in the hope a developer is listening!!)
Mike,
You might want to send your question to d...@openoffice.org
where it seems to me to be more likeley that a developer will be
listening.
Probably better in fact to send to d...@graphics.openoffice.org if you want to
get the ear of a dev who's involved with impress and the graphics side of OOo.
Cheers
GL
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Re: [discuss] Banner problem
On Tuesday 17 Aug 2010 13:33:34 Clancy C Arnold wrote:
In reply,
I got the automatic notification of the update and downloaded it.
I call it a Banner as it is a big wide stripe over an inch tall across
the top of my computer desk top screen that blocks out any thing up there
that says OpenOffice.org 3.2 (en-US) Installation.
Clancy
Hi Clancy
That sounds like it might be an icon gone out of control.
What happens when you right click on it and select properties?
Cheers
GL
Ordinarily, we
either download when we're ready to go to a new version, or get an
automatic notification of an update and follow through from there --
but
in neither case is there any banner involved.
On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 20:06:07 -0500 Barbara Duprey b...@onr.com writes:
Clancy C Arnold wrote:
Andy
I could not find any way to contact OpenOffice.org so I went into
the
documentation that came with OO 3.2 that showed some connection to
Oracle
so I called their help line. The second supervisor gave me the
e-mail
address I used. I did not receive an e-mail about the upgrade.
It was
a pop up like Microsoft uses when they have an update for you to
download.
Clancy
P.S. The banner is still there on my desktop!!!
CCA
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Where did you get OOo? This is not at all standard behavior, so the
users here are going to have a hard time helping you. Ordinarily, we
either download when we're ready to go to a new version, or get an
automatic notification of an update and follow through from there --
but
in neither case is there any banner involved.
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Re: [discuss] Words of thanks and thoughts for the future WAS Re: [dev] Changes to Site/Product Elements due to Oracle Acquisition
Hi Cor, Thanks for your kind words and especially for your years of support for OOo. Let's keep on doing good things and talking about them. ;-) Liz I'd like to also echo Cors comments and add a few of my own. There has never been a time when I haven't been proud to be part of the OOo community and proud of our corporate partner. No matter the ill informed and parochial slings and arrows cast in Suns direction they are the example of how a corporate partner can work with a community. That is not to say it's perfect, it will probably never be because of the obvious tensions between an open community and the necessities of corporate governance but what has been obvious to me since the early days of the project, has been the constant improvement in the connection between Sun and the community and the obvious desire to see that improvement continue. It is good to see Larry talking about Hiring Sun into Profit. Let's hope we see some of the development load spread about in OOo/SO. I see a bright future. Good luck to all our team in Hamburg under the new regime. Cheers GL On 01/28/10 13:53, Cor Nouws wrote: Hi Stefan, all, Stefan Taxhet wrote (28-01-10 12:50) With the acquisition of Sun Microsystems by Oracle now being closed we'll see some immediate changes to our site and product. This reflects the fact that Oracle replaces Sun in its role as part of the OpenOffice.org project. [...] Let me take this opportunity to express some thoughts and feelings to the Sun team working on OpenOffice.org. And I hope and trust that, in doing so, I reflect the opinion of the vast majority of the members of our community. Some words of thanks are in its place, in my opinion, although essentially we continue to work with the same people. In the first place for all the good work done on the product and the project in the past nearly ten years. In moments of joy and excitement and also in times of problems and sadness. Further, I feel thankful for you all continuing the work in the long period of uncertainty that has just been closed. I know many of us were hopeful and confident, but still, one first has to see it really. I'm glad that now this period is closed, finished. People knowing me, will recognize that I'm not shy to raise my voice when (IMO) something is wrong, sub-optimal, and has room for improvement. Either be it in the software, either in how we work together. And I hope that I may be able to continue cooperating in this spirit for a long time to come. Enjoying the so often positive attitude of the team, and well meant steps to an even brighter future. I am really exited about OpenOffice.org being part of Oracle and trust that this new situation will give the project great opportunities. That all in the project may enjoy. Best wishes to all, Cor - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. Ambassador for OpenSUSE Linux on your Desktop INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Office Technologies) www.theingots.org.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] Openoffice Security Issue
On Thursday 29 October 2009 14:32:52 Ahamed Fasudeen wrote: Hi Team, I'm newly use openoffice...I have some query realted for password security. Currently i'm using MSoffice2003. In that i have protect the sheet workbook And i have protect the cell A2:C22(attached sheet) with password range,in msoffice2003 once i click the A2:C22(cell) it will pop-up password box once i give the password it will allow to enter the data. And in D2:D22 with out range password user will edit without password. When i use to open the msoffice speared sheet to openoffice... entire restriction was removed by calc(openoffice) i don't why it was happenwith less security in open office. Could you please provide me the fix for this issue Why is this an OOo security issue that OOo has to fix. If the Excel password is so easily ignored, then it's an Excel security problem, because Excel purports to password protect that cell. This is obviously not the case, if OOo can simply ignore it. That's an Excel problem, not OOo's. Get Microsoft to fix the Excel security bug that allows security to be easily overridden. Of course some people have found this particular thing quite useful when they forget the passwords they put in their Excel spreadsheets. :) Cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Moderator New Zealand www.theingots.org.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] Search function for the special character menu
On Tuesday 20 October 2009 07:44:48 Hab einen wrote: Hi! I must work very often with special characters because i use openoffice in the school in technical subjects. Long searches are horrible; so i got a idea to reduce the searchtime. Why there is no search function for the special characters menu in spelling pronunciation? For Example, i enter pi in the search, i got the π . i enter and in the search, i got the . Is a plugin available or can you include this nice feature? ;) Ooh, one of my favorite extensions! :) Called AltSearch http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/project/AltSearch Never have an OOo install without it. Kindly Regards MaCXyLo Cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Moderator New Zealand www.theingots.org.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] Hosting Open Office
On Sunday 18 October 2009 08:15:25 Jaime Hernandez wrote: Hello, I am interested in hosting for free your software on my company's website. I feel that Open Office is an exceptional product and would like to extend my assistance. How would I go about this? Thank you so much! Regards, Jaime Hernandez President of The Cyber Fusion and Foto-Synthesis Design www.TheCyberFusion.com www.FotoSynthesisDesign.com Tel: 908-526-1382 Cell: 443-812-6020 Hi Jaime, You need the distribution project; http://distribution.openoffice.org Cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Moderator New Zealand www.theingots.org.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] major problem
Hi, the original poster is not subscribed to the list. He will most possibly not be able to read any of these answers. Uwe I mailed him off list Joost Andrae wrote: Hi, MS Office users can use http://www.sun.com/software/star/odf_plugin/ Jean-Paul Ginestier schrieb: The major problem with Open Office is that it is not compatible both ways with MS Office; in other words, an Open Office document cannot be read by MSO, so there is no point in sending people such a document unless you know they have Open Office. If it WERE compatible both ways, it would surely kill off MSO in no time ... Kind regards, Joost - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. Ambassador for OpenSUSE Linux on your Desktop INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Office Technologies) www.theingots.org.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] Work Presentation
On Wednesday 01 April 2009 17:00:25 Michael Adams wrote: I have prepared a presentation for work and would like people to look over it for me. It is available to view as flash or download as an ODP. More here: http://whyodf.blogspot.com/ Comment either on the blog or here. I think it is an appropriate topic here? Hi Michael, A couple of comments. Brevity is a consummation d'voutly to be wish'd. Keep the info on the slides to a minimum. If you have reports you want refer to, have them as printouts so they can refer to them later, trying to read data on a slide isn't easy and certainly not a way to get across information. The presentation I use for introducing people to OOo is available from http://theingots.org.nz/OOoMktg/OOo3Intro.odp Feel free to use. Notes with the slides are in the Notes View If you would like me to come down to assist in any way, I'm available. Cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Moderator New Zealand www.theingots.org.nz GET DRESSED : GET OOOGEAR Gear for the well dressed OOo Advocate www.ooogear.co.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] Why does OpenOffice keep converting things to dates in tables?
On Wednesday 14 January 2009 13:05:22 Grant Edwards wrote: I'm trying to create a table, and for some god-forsaken reason, oowriter seems to think it's supposed to convert everyting I type into dates if at all possible. I type 1-60, and it insists on converting that to 01/01/60. I type 0-8, and that's left alone (as it should be). How to I tell oowriter to stop messing with what I type? If I'd wanted 01/01/60, I'd have damn well _typed_ 01/01/60. God, how I hate programs that think they know better than I what I'm trying to do... Select tablenumber format scroll to the bottom of the list and select text -- The Best Things in life are 3 http://why.openoffice.org ISO 26300 compliant Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Office Technologies) www.theingots.org.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] Fw:
On Sunday 11 January 2009 00:43:09 Lloyd Lecuona wrote: Hi Guys, LOVE OpenOffice BUT and its a HUGE but!! You are going to have to work a plan to allow Microsoft Word to open the ODT documents automatically. That is not an OpenOffice.org problem, that is a weakness MS Office. This will be solved when Office 14 comes out with ODF support. I suggest you call Microsoft and complain to them. I sent out 200 emails to employees with OpenOffice attachments and only 3 could open the file! OOo does however provide the ability for the user to save in a format that MSO users can read, it always has. Do Save as and select the appropriate file format. OOo saves to many different formats. You will not grow unless you are able to chomp into the leader in the industry and to do that we the users have to be able to do it without hassles or large plug ins. If you're not sure what your enduser has in terms of software then simply use the Export to PDF option. It's one click of the pdf icon in your tool bar. Most computers have acrobat reader on them Kind regards Lloyd It always pays to read the Manual first, it's amazing what you will find. :) If you expect it to operate as a free version of word, you're doing yourself a disservice, OOo does so much more, some of it, as you can see, to make up for the deficiencies of MSO file handling abilities. Cheers GL -- The Best Things in life are 3 http://why.openoffice.org ISO 26300 compliant Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Office Technologies) www.theingots.org.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: discuss-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: discuss-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [discuss] Make it possible to download only parts of open office
On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 18:23 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I am only interested in the calc application by open office but yet I had to download the entire package. Phil Hi Phil, That's correct. You have to think of OOo a little differently to other competitor's suites. OpenOffice.org is a single application with different user interfaces, rather than a bunch of non-related individual applications bundled together as a suite. Calc is one of those interfaces, not a separate application. This is most easily demonstrated by the fact that you can open any of those interfaces from the file menu rather than having to launch a different application. This has a number of advantages, one of which is a relatively small download size in relation to the breadth of functionality. If however, a standalone Open Source spreadsheet package is an absolute necessity to you, then there is always Gnumeric (http://gnumeric.org) Cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Office Technologies) www.theingots.org Open Opportunities ltd. Open Technologies Training and Migration Consultants http://www.openopportunities.co.nz OOoGear: For the Well dressed OOo Advocate http://ooogear.co.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: Open Office to open WPS files
On Saturday 10 May 2008 02:29:53 Andrew Ziem wrote: Tim Hobson wrote: Hi Open Office Would it be possible for you to have a feature to open up WPS files since in Open Office 3.0 you have installed a converter so you can read office 2007 files. Tim, I wrote a basic WPS import filter[1] and submitted it over a year ago [2], but it was not included in the vanilla version for various reasons. Unless someone steps in, I don't expect the situation to change soon. Until then, you can find it in OpenOffice.org editions [3] based on ooo-build. Also, you could add two votes for issue 8938 [2]. Andrew, would it be possible to do this as an extension it seems like a prime candidate to the uneducated... (Me in other words. :)) [1] http://libwps.sourceforge.net/ [2] http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=8938 [3] http://katana.oooninja.com/w/editions_of_openoffice.org Alternatively, there are various workarounds. Andrew Cheers G -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Moderator New Zealand www.theingots.org.nz GET DRESSED : GET OOOGEAR Gear for the well dressed OOo Advocate www.ooogear.co.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Good idea for New update OpenOffice 2.4
On Wednesday 02 April 2008 20:47:53 Suzette Davis wrote: OpenOffice 2.4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Suzette Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: discuss@openoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 3:46 AM Subject: Re: [discuss] Good idea for New update OpenOffice 2.4 What version of Java is safe to install the newest version of OpenOfice 2.1? Thanks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Full list of System requirements are here http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/source/sys_reqs_20.html Cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Moderator New Zealand www.theingots.org.nz GET DRESSED : GET OOOGEAR Gear for the well dressed OOo Advocate www.ooogear.co.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] OpenOffice stability and document repair
On Tuesday 25 March 2008 07:28:31 Jens Lehmann wrote: Hello, for a larger project involving a few partners from different countries, we started to use OpenOffice Writer instead of Microsoft Word. Unfortunately, we regret this move now - mostly due to stability problems e.g. moving images freezes OpenOffice Writer. Several partners (using the latest OO-version) have serious problems updating the document due to these problems. This is a significant problem, because time is rare and we have to face deadlines. It is not a small document with 80 pages, including several images and tables. The initial version of the document is a Word file, which was converted to OpenDocument (by simply saving as such in OpenOffice). Could this be a source of problems? It is an internal document, so I cannot circulate it in the public. In case the stability problems are not a problem of OpenOffice in general, but caused by the document itself: Is there a way to clean the document, i.e. a tool to remove any possibly superfluous, deprecated, or otherwise problematic stuff in the odt file (or better: the XML files contained in it)? I'd be willing to lose some markup if it helps to overcome the problems. Do you have any other suggestions (waiting for the next release is not an option)? Kind regards, Jens Hi Jens, You may find this extension useful http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/project/templatechanger Cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Moderator New Zealand www.theingots.org.nz GET DRESSED : GET OOOGEAR Gear for the well dressed OOo Advocate www.ooogear.co.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Attention
On Monday 10 March 2008 07:42:48 Datatude wrote: On 2008-03-09 2:12 PM, Tomas Lanczos wrote:\ Really strange, I downloaded many versions of OOo, many times, never-ever experienced that. I used Opera or Firefox on WinXP or Ubuntu, what browser did You use? Firefox. I might add to my previous comments that the link on the download bounce page to Download Central takes one back to the very page on which one has just clicked Download OpenOffice.org. IOW, brings one in a futile circle, unless one considers oneself adventurous enough to visit a page on which the is no guarantee that any of the listed versions is available. And, again, were this my first visit to OpenOffice.org my reaction would have been, what an unprofessional group! Just being candid here. I love the project, but I have to agree with Gary the OP on this thread, that the web site is NOT optimal to attract (and retain!!) new users who are non-technical, non-programming, end users. kazar The website team is in the process of working on these issues. The new OOo main page and the download page are getting a major revamp. Some technical issues with the CMS has made it somewhat more of a challenge than at first anticipated but it should go live with a matter of days. Watch this space Cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Moderator New Zealand www.theingots.org.nz GET DRESSED : GET OOOGEAR Gear for the well dressed OOo Advocate www.ooogear.co.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: Re: .doc compatibility
On Monday 25 February 2008 21:37:53 M. Fioretti wrote: On Mon, February 25, 2008 7:51 am, jonathon wrote: On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 11:14 PM, M. Fioretti wrote: - being sent to MS Office users who edit it as they please If the users did use styles with MSO, those styles would be available in ODF, albeit with a different name. If they did not use styles that the creators of those MSO files did not used styles was very likely since the beginning of this thread and seems almost certain now. then expecting OOo to recognize non-existing styles, is akin to expecting polar bears to give birth to tigers. my point was that in these conditions, or in any other real world giving suggestions to use styles or expecting that such suggestions have any relevance or usefulness is more or less the same thing. What I was saying was that people need training in using stylist, then they will understand why there are issues and can fix those issues easily. Of course, the suggestion to use styles is an excellent one, regardless of whether MSO or OOo are used: but it is fully applicable only by users who start from scratch and must never exchange/co-edit their new files with third parties who couldn't care less of styles, which is not the case of this thread. This is what I meant. This story is an excellent _example_ of why everybody should always use styles in MSO and / or OOo, but little or nothing of the suggestions given so far is actually practicable by the OP. The obvious problem was that the Migration process and planning was half baked. It was little to do with the End Users in the Office or OOo's incompatibility, both of which took a measure of the blame. The OP however was studiously avoiding the real root of the problem. I find this quite commonly and often get pulled into a migration process after the whole thing has come unstuck exactly as he described. Invariably it comes down to training and usually because training is done by people who have no ability or training as instructors. If I can offer two concrete suggestions that are based in experience they would be Plan the Migration Hire a Trainer For the OP's situation, the prognosis is bad. Any future migration will be tainted by this failure Marco Cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Moderator New Zealand www.theingots.org.nz GET DRESSED : GET OOOGEAR Gear for the well dressed OOo Advocate www.ooogear.co.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: Re: .doc compatibility
On Monday 25 February 2008 07:29:22 andreas moroder wrote: M. Fioretti wrote: On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 17:49:42 PM +, jonathon wrote: (four times) Styles are not being correctly used. since this, even outside of this thread, is one of the most frequent issues, then maybe OOo/ODF styles are very poorly advertised and documented, but this is a side topic. The OP clearly said that this is a problem of interoperability with MS Office users and/or documents. So maybe this is not really a case where OOo/ODF styles aren't correctly used: this is a case where such styles have never been used, because they didn't exist where those documents were created; and maybe a case where such styles simply _cannot_ be used, because such information is lost every time a file goes in .doc format back and forth between OOo and MS Office users. Are we sure this isn't the case here? That's right. The old documents were .doc and they have to remain .doc because of interoperability with other entities. No politics in this case, simply a office with to much power. It is an office that does not know how to use their tools correctly. Maybe OOo is not _their_ chosen tool: from the initial message it is not to be excluded that IT tried to switch users without them asking for it or even knowing when the switch would happen. There are cases where migration was indeed done this way, nobody noticed or complained and a few people where even really happy that the last version of MS Office finally doesn't crash and runs quite faster! They did know, they even got short courses but they did not really understand that there are incompatibilities. They obviously didn't know otherwise they would have understood, therefore the training was inadequate It sounds like the Change Management strategy came up short. A good change Management would have noted the inconsistencies beforehand and strategies put in place to deal with that and the people brought along with that. It is imperative that the End User be given a reason to change so that the positives outnumber any negatives that may areise. Focussing on the negatives as ended up happening here will doom a migration from the start. (bitter experience speaking) If the enduser does not have a solid reason (and cost savings is almost never a reason for change) then even the most minor issues will suddenly become huge barriers. You have to give people a real reason to change If the Migration had been planned then everyone would have been expecting the inconsistencies and the change management team would have come up with work arounds or fixes before the Migration went live. But of course, it all depends on how complex the existing MS Office files are and on how much the users have to interact, editing files together, with external MS Office users. They are not that complex. There are even very simple documents that look different on ooo. If they were simple documents, then the fixes should have been simple and should have been anticipated and strategies put in place to deal with that. As Jonathon noted, training in the use of Stylist would probably have sorted the issue. Stylist is after all possibly the greatest point of difference The only way that there would have been 100% fidelity is if the company had migrated to the exact same software. Even a migration to a different version of MSO would have generated inconsistencies. Sometimes our own enthusiasm for OOo gets in the way of creating a smooth migration process. No matter how small the migration, the process has to be managed. The reasons for a failed migration almost invariably lie with a bad change management strategy but as is often the case, the blame gets laid at OOo's feet and this example is no different it seems. Bye Andreas Cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Moderator New Zealand www.theingots.org.nz GET DRESSED : GET OOOGEAR Gear for the well dressed OOo Advocate www.ooogear.co.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] .doc compatibility
On Saturday 23 February 2008 06:38:22 Andreas wrote: Hello, now that microsoft has partially opened the documentation of the .doc format, is there a chance that better doc compatibility will become a primary objective ? Thanks Andreas A frustrated IT director that got the order to reinstall word 2000 because of not so good .doc compatibility Hi Andreas, Could you enumerate the compatibility issues for us. Having dealt with a number of migrations the Compatibility reason has been brought up on a number of occasions. When investigated it was simply found to be issues caused by lack of understanding and training during the migration process. The common one is file formats. Many Simple End Users don't understand the concept of file formats. After all, unless you tell it otherwise Windows will hide all common file extensions. The document is saved as a document, doesn't matter if it's .doc or .odt or .wpt, it's still a document. When OOo prompts the Simple End User about losing formatting if saving as .doc they will take the path offered that seems best: which is Save in Native file format, which of course can't be opened by MS Office. As far as the SEU is concerned it's still a document. Hence when someone tries to open that Doc in MSO, you suddenly have a Compatibility Problem and it's always the new boys fault. The answer is careful planning of Migration, training, consultation and backup for the user. Migration can rarely be done just by switching default word processor in file associations (and yes that has been tried! ) -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Moderator New Zealand www.theingots.org.nz GET DRESSED : GET OOOGEAR Gear for the well dressed OOo Advocate www.ooogear.co.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] File Sizes; sWrite
On Tuesday 15 January 2008 08:24:28 Twayne wrote: Hi, XP Pro, 512 RAM, 2.7 GHz P4, reasonably sure free of virus/malware. Relatively new to OO.o 2.3.1 as of about a week and a half ago. I'm having quite a few problems with some large files in Writer. I see many references to the issue in old posts but not anything that seems actually relevant. Perhaps some clarification may be possible? Consistant Styles, only about 7 different styles used throughout. -- Is there a max recommended .odt file size that should be opened? Anything beyond 10 Meg seems to become pretty slow to open/save (.doc to .odt or already .odt) -- Anything in the 100 Meg area takes many moons to open, even if it's already a .odt. I've had the occasional Save failure too along the lines of hte next item: -- The 200 Meg and up area often results inLoad failure: file never opens, cpu use drops to near 0%, gray screen. Only have one file so large it makes OOo drop to its kness, and I'm in the process of breaking that up with Word, so things are workable, but ... I thought I'd ask to see if there are known size breakpoints to watch out for in general and whether such things are recognized by the authors. Or, is there a better way to do what I'm tryhing to do? --- In this particular application it's a book of separately written chapters equating to about 400 pages when it's assembled into Master Document in Word. Goal is to OO's Master Document mode to do the same thing as I used Word's MDoc for; TOC, chapter/page numbering, titling, etc.. I am wide open to suggestions if there are better methods to use here. TIA, Twayne Hi Twayne, I'm trying to figure your problem because I rarely have an issue with this . My assumption is that you created the document in MSWord and then opened the resulting doc with Writer. Does your document have a lot of graphics. I'm just asking because 100 megs for a 400 page document seem a bit on the high side. If I'm going to edit a document in Writer that has been created in Word I open it with OOo, copy all the text and then paste specialunformatted text into a new document. This gets rid of all of the garbage that word puts into the background of the document and that includes styles then I reformat using Stylist. If I'm in a hurry I'll sometimes use paste specialformatted text(rtf) Word users tend to format on the fly and that means that each bit of formatting is a separate piece of code which tends to make them a little on the heavy side. Everytime a word document is closed, saved then reopened more garbage is added. Take for instance this document http://www.minedu.govt.nz/web/downloadable/dl8030_v1/cat-newsletter-8.doc The download size on my comp is 4.2 MB After copypaste specialformatted text the file is now 90.6kb. A couple of graphics were dumped and I had to create a landscape style to get some tables to display properly, but nothing major.(try it yourself you'll see what I mean) Now, I add the caveat that I'm using SuSELinux rather than windows but I doubt that there would be a great difference. Document interchange between Word and Writer is a black art at the best of times because MS won't release details of their file formats. It is pretty close to perfect, which says something amazing about OOo Developer's back engineering abilities, but sometimes there is a cost when working at extremes, in this case file size. Normally I work on an ODT file being about 25% of the size of the same file saved as a doc. That's a simple open in OOo and save as *.odt. Get rid of all the garbage however by doing paste special and you can do a lot better and OOo will deal with it very quickly. Cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Moderator New Zealand www.theingots.org.nz GET DRESSED : GET OOOGEAR Gear for the well dressed OOo Advocate www.ooogear.co.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] About OO.o Math and in general
On Saturday 24 November 2007 13:52:59 The Directory wrote: Another thing I want to ask is the forms feature. In MS Office, there are ways to make checkboxes, fill-boxes, radio buttons, etc. How do you do that in OO.o? And, given an MS Word-formatted and -edited document that has these objects, is there a way to enable OO.o to be able to edit them? When I open my MS Word-written document that has checkboxes and such, OO.o says that those macros are disabled from editing. Plz Reply -q10 View- toolbars - Form Controls Form design Insert controls and fields as required Export as PDF Fields are editable in Acrobat Reader You won't come across this functionality in MS Word because it can't do it. Please note that OOo is not an MS Office clone. Cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Moderator New Zealand www.theingots.org.nz GET DRESSED : GET OOOGEAR Gear for the well dressed OOo Advocate www.ooogear.co.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] IMPORTANT
On Friday 12 October 2007 06:29, Ismail Barton wrote: I don't know if you guys are selling your softeware now or if someone else is. Please check out this website. http://www-openoffice.com/ Hi Ismail, Yes we know about these guys and they've been doing this for a while. They are quite OK in terms of the LPGL. Most of what they sell is to do with the support package surrounding it in any case. Cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Moderator New Zealand www.theingots.org.nz GET DRESSED : GET OOOGEAR Gear for the well dressed OOo Advocate www.ooogear.co.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] feature suggestion
On Friday 05 October 2007 20:58, Dave Barton wrote: Original Message From: Chris Monahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri 05 Oct 2007 18:16:51 EST On 05/10/2007, Dave Barton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - Original Message From: Sean Richards [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri 05 Oct 2007 07:03:26 EST Hello, I'm working on a business plan with multiple sections and it would be more logically organized if I could add multiple sheets to the same document, instead of just adding pages in a linear format. e.g. It would be a boon to have a tab sheet for my appendixes instead of trying to put it at the back of the document or opening yet another window for Writer. I love this software. Thank you so much! Submitting a proposal to this general discussion mailing list is not going to get it considered by the developers. The correct place to submit a RFE (Request For Enhancement) is to the issue tracker. Details can be found at: http://qa.openoffice.org/ooQAReloaded/Docs/QA-Reloaded-HowToSt art.html As it happens there has been a long outstanding (2003) issue for this feature. If you would like to add your vote, register for the qa project and go to http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=12686 Considering the number of years this issue has been outstanding and the limited number of votes (48) it has been awarded, it seems unlikely that the developers will be working on this in the foreseeable future. Please reply to discuss@openoffice.org only I don't really think that a tabbed interface is what the OP is referring too. It appears he is reffering to the ability to have several streams of pages (sheets) in one documents, a master document is analagous, but i've never found the master document implementation entirely satisfactory. No, I think the clue is in the Sean's statement: It would be a boon to have a tab sheet for my appendixes instead of trying to put it at the back of the document or opening yet another window for Writer. Maybe Sean would be kind enough to post back to the list and give us a little more clarification. Regardless of what the OP actually intended, why didn't you reply to the (non-subscribed) OP, instead of sitting on the sidelines criticizing others who were trying to contribute something? Dave Please reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] only Actually Sean is talking about something entirely different than and separate from the whole tabbed interface/MDI thing. I agree with him and have thought about this quite a lot for over a year. It is a function that is lacking in most document producing applications. This is the way I believe it should be implemented and the whys Producing a document at a desk with a pen and paper is not a linear activity, however doing the same thing on a computer forces you to become linear. What I think Sean is talking about is analogous to a note pad and a deskpad that you can scribble on while you are producing a document. Programmers tend to be linear thinkers, it comes with the territory. However a script writer for instance has a myriad of things to think about while writing a screenplay. Lighting notes, costume stuff, continuity notes, properties, direction detail, characterisation, character histories. Some of this will make it into the main document. Some will become a separate bunch of notes, some will become appendices. None of it lends itself to a linear document production. So a document interface could have a group of tab-like labels down the side of the page. Analogous to those little page markers that I and I dare say many others use to mark pages or passages in a book for use during a lecture. The function would be able to be toggled on and off like Stylist and have probably two default labels. Say Notes and Bibliography with the ability to add more as required. Part of the functionality would enable the user to define where if anywhere these pages would be placed within a printed document. Linking to notes from the main document should also be there. The only name I could think of for this functionality is Deskpad I've cc'd this to the User Experience list ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (forgive the cross post) because this is right up their alley. If people think is a reasonable suggestion I'll do an RFE. I couldn't find anything like this anywhere in issue tracker... That doesn't mean to say it's not there. But it would be a brilliant piece of functionality. It would certainly save me having to have notebooks all over my desk and my deskpads would survive longer. :) Cheers GL -- GET LEGAL - GET OPENOFFICE.ORG http://why.openoffice.org ISO 26300 compliant Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Assessor Trainer Moderator New Zealand (International Grades
Re: [discuss] Request: Focus on Custom Animation in impress.
On Monday 01 October 2007 03:41, Mark wrote: (Currently Using: Open Office Version 2.3.0) Hi, Hi Mark, I've been using Open Office (abb. OO from now on) for a while now (I'ts my main Office software) and I'd like to congratulate you on just how good its become. Its a replacement for MS office in many ways, but one area where is still lacks is Impress. I've been eagarly waiting for every new version of OO, but no mention of the ideas below... Impress as publishing software As OO doesn't have a direct equivalent of Publisher, Impress works really well as a substitute. Perhaps it would be an idea to market it as such, though I would add something into the start-up wizard to auto-setup the page to A4-portrait if users want a poster and another option (screen, landscape) for presentations. This would be a nice time saving feature. We don't really want an equivalent of Publisher and I hope that it will never happen. MS Publisher as a DTP application is seriously limited. It sounds as though you want to use Draw. Draw has all of the Graphical tools that Impress has and is designed for print media. Create an A4 landscape template for draw and use that as your default template Impress as a presentation creator. (My main annoyance in OO) The one area where this is program is lacking is in animation. While most of the useful animations from PowerPoint are there, the actual interface is very out-dated (equivalent PowerPoint 97 and earlier). This area needs focusing on to catch up with MS as the best presentation software. A major advantage of PowerPoint is that you can open an advanced timeline and drag animations start and finish times around in a GUI form rather than having to tediuosly and time consumingly input every single value into a new window. PowerPoint also allows users to change the speed of a group of selected animations in one click from the top, OO does not allow this. Finally animations should be able to be copy/pasted to make an object do something more than once. If you could try to bring this area into line with PP2007 it would really make OOImpress the best presentation creator! Firstly OOo is not a MSO clone, so we don't add things simply because MS does. Secondly I personally would object strongly to using developer time on this because it simply leads to bad practice in creating presentations. Animations are one of the main advantages to presentations as opposed to overhead transparencies. Please could you do something about the current outdated and very user-unfriendly interface for animations at the moment. These ideas are PowerPoint standard and I believe they should be in OpenOffice too. In fact animations are nothing more than a toy. Reduce them as much as possible. Slide transitions should be the same right through a presentation so that your audience doesn't have to adjust to every different reveal. Your message is the important thing, anything that distracts from that is waste. I use nothing more than reveal for text within a slide and maybe wipe for transitions, anything more that is a distraction. Has anyone requested these features before? Can you give me an idea on the likelihood of them being implemented? Have a search on issue tracker, I would suspect there probably is. Unfortunately the likliehood is probably quite high. Thanks, Mark _ The next generation of MSN Hotmail has arrived - Windows Live Hotmail http://www.newhotmail.co.uk -- GET LEGAL - GET OPENOFFICE.ORG http://why.openoffice.org ISO 26300 compliant Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Assessor Trainer Moderator New Zealand (International Grades in Office Technologies) www.theingots.org.nz GET DRESSED GET OOOGEAR http://ooogear.co.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Converting legacy MS Office documents
On Wednesday 05 September 2007 06:24, Glen Lancaster wrote: Hi Glen, Do you know of any free software that will convert batches of MS Office documents to the Open Document Format? I suggest that anyone thinking of adopting this new format will require such software, and it would be a great addition if you offered it as part of the Open Office Suite. Thanks Glen Lancaster OOo does it on it's own fileWizardsDocument Converter Cheers GL -- GET LEGAL - GET OPENOFFICE.ORG http://why.openoffice.org ISO 26300 compliant Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Assessor Trainer Moderator New Zealand (International Grades in Office Technologies) www.theingots.org.nz GET DRESSED GET OOOGEAR http://ooogear.co.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Accessing the Wiki was AA dumps Open Office, buys Microsof?
On Friday 20 July 2007 04:35, Kay Ramme - Sun Germany - Hamburg wrote: Hey Kay This discussion needs to be had on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list. as well so I've cc'ed it to that list Hi Yo, Graham wrote: Jonathon may be overstating it a little but not by much. Finding stuff on the Wiki is a mission, possibly it was designed by the same ones who designed issuezilla! ;) So, lets go on to improve it :-) We do need a rethink of the way everything is mapped on the site. I don't however know how much (if any) we are restricted by the Collabnet framework. I somehow have a feeling, but anyway, first we should know what we want to achieve, technical issues can be tackled later on ... There is an Art wiki for instance but no link or explanation about it on the Art frontpage. You mean http://marketing.openoffice.org/art/index.html ? Never have seen that before ... couldn't find the Art wiki though. http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Category:Art Not busy, not surprising The Sitemap http://www.openoffice.org/sitemap.html doesn't mention the wiki at all Yeah, seems that we want to keep some things secret ;-) And seemingly doing a good job at doing that! :) There is a marketing wiki but again no mention or link to it on the front page. Some links are pointing into the wiki, but please see below. We need to define what people come to the site for: The three largest headers would be off the top of my head: Download Learn Contribute I for myself basically differentiate between - users, using Writer or Calc etc., - developers, using the API in one or the other way e.g. from Java or C++, and - implementors, wanting to contribute to OOos code base. Different people have different needs, though I am not a friend of artificially separating these groups, but may be to just provide different views to the site. Agreed, don't separate these groups then. We use headers according to what people want to achieve by visiting the site rather than title So the three things that one should be able to achieve here are: Obtain the software or the source code or documentation or Art - Hence Download Find out how to Use it, Build it, Market it, where to get it and so on - Hence Learn Upon rethinking I will change the last one to Participate rather than contribute. So direct to mailing lists, Project Home Pages, NLC etc. It seems to me that the Wiki has been an addon which we haven't figured out how to deal with in terms of promotion and so forth. The wiki is actually just a workaround for Collab not being able or willing to provide wiki functionality for the main site, IMHO we _do_ _not_ want to have more than one site, but just want to use simple editing capabilities wikis do provide. I am a fan of Wikis as long as they are accessible to all Cheers Yo Kay - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- GET LEGAL - GET OPENOFFICE.ORG http://why.openoffice.org ISO 26300 compliant Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html GET DRESSED GET OOOGEAR Promotional Gear for the discerning OOo Advocate http://www.ooogear.co.nz INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Office Technologies) www.theingots.org.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] AA dumps Open Office, buys Microsof?
On Thursday 19 July 2007 19:23, Kay Ramme - Sun Germany - Hamburg wrote: Hi Jonathan, jonathon wrote: Whilst this is blatant propaganda by Microsoft, it is worth pointing out that the OOo website does an excellent job of hiding information from people that want/need to use it. The OOo wiki simply serves to hide it better from all and sundry. Both the website and the wiki need to be totally redesigned, so that people can find important things like the current roadmap for OOo 3.0, and OOo 4.0. I wouldn't say that sites (wiki and main site) need a total redesign, but I agree that they could be improved substantially. So, lets not just talk but do something ... do you have some ideas where information is lacking, what the requirements for the sites are etc.? Jonathon may be overstating it a little but not by much. Finding stuff on the Wiki is a mission, possibly it was designed by the same ones who designed issuezilla! ;) We do need a rethink of the way everything is mapped on the site. I don't however know how much (if any) we are restricted by the Collabnet framework. There is an Art wiki for instance but no link or explanation about it on the Art frontpage. The Sitemap http://www.openoffice.org/sitemap.html doesn't mention the wiki at all There is a marketing wiki but again no mention or link to it on the front page. We need to define what people come to the site for: The three largest headers would be off the top of my head: Download Learn Contribute It seems to me that the Wiki has been an addon which we haven't figured out how to deal with in terms of promotion and so forth. xan jonathon Regards Kay Cheers Yo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- GET LEGAL - GET OPENOFFICE.ORG http://why.openoffice.org ISO 26300 compliant Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html GET DRESSED GET OOOGEAR Promotional Gear for the discerning OOo Advocate http://www.ooogear.co.nz INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Office Technologies) www.theingots.org.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] AA dumps Open Office, buys Microsoft for ‘compatibility’
On Thursday 19 July 2007 02:52, Robin Laing wrote: I read this article this morning and it doesn't fit my experiences but that it not the point. What is important are the comments that OOo isn't compatible and no future plans. I guess OOo isn't spending millions of dollars to sell the software. I would like to know the compatibility issues in more details. This looks more like an advertisement than a true statement. The Gentleman responsible for this; AA CIO Doug Wilson, is an ex MS employee and has substantial history with them. The decision was less about the reasons stated and more about personal preference guided by MS people in his network. Cheers GL There are also kickbacks in the form of free software for the employees. http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/tech/A6AB17B34B1BA81ECC2573160079BFBC --- quote--- “The first, with Open Office, is compatibility — sharing information with Microsoft products, both within the organisation and with external parties. A dual world is complicated and, whether people like it or not, Microsoft is a standard. “Second, you have no idea where open-source products are going, whereas vendors like Microsoft provide a roadmap for the future. “It’s about futures, planning and integration.” ---End quote--- -- GET LEGAL - GET OPENOFFICE.ORG http://why.openoffice.org ISO 26300 compliant Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html GET DRESSED GET OOOGEAR Promotional Gear for the discerning OOo Advocate http://www.ooogear.co.nz INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Office Technologies) www.theingots.org.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: Publisher equivalent?
On Tuesday 23 January 2007 03:12, Adrian Try wrote: Actually I've used scribus, however I found 1000 times easier to do the same in Draw. I have used scribus for posters and things like that but magazine-like layouts I preffered Draw. I do miss a feature that write has and thats' the link between frames. I wish Draw had that too. I wish draw was able to flow text from one frame to another too. I think that's one of the only things it's lacking as a desktop publishing program. Since that functionality is already in Writer, it shouldn't be too hard for it to be implemented in Draw as well. Is there an issue for that somewhere? Adrian Yep, goes back to 1.1 http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=25732 Obviously needs some votes Cheers Yo -- GET LEGAL - GET OPENOFFICE.ORG http://why.openoffice.org ISO 26300 compliant Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Assessor Trainer Moderator New Zealand (International Grades in Office Technologies) www.theingots.org.nz GET DRESSED GET OOOGEAR http://ooogear.co.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Referendum on changing length of CC service
On Tue, 2006-10-31 at 01:00 -0500, Louis Suarez-Potts wrote: All, You need to vote on this... The current length of service for Community Council office holders is not working out. We have found that the stipulated terms are just not long enough for us to get things done. [...] Right now it is 12 months for project/native- lang leads and 6 months for the CCR. The change would double that, to 24 months for leads and 12 months for the CCR. +1 Graham -- GET LEGAL - GET OPENOFFICE.ORG http://why.openoffice.org ISO 26300 compliant Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Office Technologies) www.theingots.org.nz Get Dressed - Get OOoGear Gear for the well dressed OOo Advocate http://ooogear.co.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Student seeks participants for thesis survey about Open Source
On Sat, 2006-10-28 at 11:06 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi, The survey is confused. It mixes OO with FOSS indiscriminately and has missing response possibilities. have you mailed that to Tobias as well? Florian I agree with Will the survey is muddled and the questionairre shows limited understanding of Open Source and OpenOffice.org in general. This shows that his prior research could have been better. I would mail Tobias but I have no address Cheers Yo -- GET LEGAL - GET OPENOFFICE.ORG http://why.openoffice.org ISO 26300 compliant Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Office Technologies) www.theingots.org.nz Get Dressed - Get OOoGear Gear for the well dressed OOo Advocate http://ooogear.co.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[discuss] Vote request for Issue 4854: Stylist Menu behaviour
One of the best features of OOo is Stylist. If a longtime OOo user is forced to use MSO, if they're anything like me, the thing you miss the most is stylist. However it's not with out it's issues and one of the reasons that people often don't use stylist is because of one particular UI behaviour. At the bottom of the stylist window is a dropdown that defines which group of styles the Stylist menu shows. It lists Custom Styles Applied Styles Automatic and a few others. At present this always defaults to Automatic upon opening a new Writer instance. A number of people have requested that this behaviour be changed to at least remember the last condition or a condition defined in a template. This issue was opened in May 2002. We would like to encourage as many people as possible to vote for this issue on issue tracker http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4854 so we can perhaps have it acted on for 2.1 Also taking time to add an intelligent comment would be good. Cheers and Thanks in advance Yo -- GET LEGAL - GET OPENOFFICE.ORG http://why.openoffice.org ISO 26300 compliant Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Office Technologies) www.theingots.org.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] An idea for menu entry File/Recent Documents
Al Weiss wrote: Terry wrote: On the original point, I believe it would enhance the software if the user had options regarding recent files. I see no harm in permitting a user to elect to have only recent documents pertaining to the particular application displayed. Why must it be one way or the other? YES! If I have been working on a spread sheet and then have to handle a number of text documents, when I go back to Calc I would like to recall the spreadsheets I was working on, not the documents. Maybe the menu could say- Recent Documents This App All Apps I'd have to disagree with this. That just adds another click. However a Next 20 most recent in the dropdown would be cool, even if a little memory hungry. cheers GL -- GET LEGAL - GET OPENOFFICE.ORG http://why.openoffice.org ISO 26300 compliant Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Office Technologies) www.theingots.org.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Bullets and numbering
Mart wrote: Hi, Its only a small thing. the way bullets and numbering work at the moment is... I type a line... set the bullet graphic and press enter this then creates another bullet underneath, which if i dont want i can tap delete and i can carry on writing a standard line. But if i have a bullet, then create another bullet underneath this example: * HEADING BULLET LINE 2 if i now press return after bullet line 2 it will create another bullet line 2 like this * HEADING BULLET LINE 2 BULLET LINE 2 extra the trouble is, if i dont want another bullet line 2 underneath i cannot delete it because if i do it takes me back to writing a standard line. i have tried everything, what i would love to see is the delete key takes you back 1 bullet at a time, so i can be 4 bullets lines in and each time i press delete it will take me back one stage. this stops me having to just write all of them out as heading and then press tab on each one after i have finished. Just as tab indents to next level, shift+tab will do the reverse and take you up a level Cheers Yo -- GET LEGAL - GET OPENOFFICE.ORG http://why.openoffice.org ISO 26300 compliant Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Office Technologies) www.theingots.org.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Missing Product
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, There is something missing that will complete the office suite. A Frontpage/Dreamweaver equivalent. Improvements to Draw to allow web site graphics creation, like photoshop/fireworks. What brought my attention to it was my neighbours son was given a project to do over the summer holidays. He was told to use Frontpage, his mother looked to see how much it was and it cost 150GBP. I eventually located an Academic package for 65GBP. The problem is, a lot of parents can't afford the price tag, and a cheek for one off home coursework project. Neil. Try NVU. Downloadable from http://www.nvu.com Cheers Yo GET LEGAL - GET OPENOFFICE.ORG http://why.openoffice.org ISO 26300 compliant Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Office Technologies) www.theingots.org.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[discuss] Calc: Copy paste problem
When I copy a row (or rows) in a Calc sheet and then try paste special I get a panel saying Source: unknown source and Selection: Unformatted text. I've tried ctrl-shift-V and get the same result. A simple paste works but when you're trying to move rows around that's not a lot of help. I'm using OOo 2.0.2, SUSE 10.1, KDE 3.5.1 level a. Graham - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[discuss] Re: Calc: Copy paste problem
Graham Davis wrote: When I copy a row (or rows) in a Calc sheet and then try paste special I get a panel saying Source: unknown source and Selection: Unformatted text. I've tried ctrl-shift-V and get the same result. A simple paste works but when you're trying to move rows around that's not a lot of help. I'm using OOo 2.0.2, SUSE 10.1, KDE 3.5.1 level a. Graham Please ignore this. I've found the problem is Klipper. Deactivating this removes the problem. Graham - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[discuss] Autorecovery saves nothing.
I have Autorecovery set to store information every 15 minutes. Today, I had a power failure. When I opened one of the documents I'd been editing and Autorecovery kicked in and performed successfully - or so it said - I found I'd lost five days data. Autorecovery has saved nothing since I last booted the system. I'm running OOo 2.0.2 on SUSE Linux 10.1 but this problem has been around for various flavours of these products. Graham - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] note pad
Mark Cunningham wrote: Firstly, I'm not talking about the archaic M$ product. I've just been writing my dissertation on NeoOffice (the Mac port of Open Office) and realized there were some things I defiantly wanted to put into the document, but didn't yet know where to put them. I need a place just to dump ideas while I'm working, where I won't forget about them. I've tried putting them in a second document, but that means they're not in my immediate focus range. Currently my best solution is a piece of paperI think it would be lovely to be able to have a floating note pad, which sits to the side of my page instead. Don't know what I mean? I've done an edited screenshot to try to describe it; www.markeyc.com/ooo.jpg Hope this is use full and thanks to everyone for the stonkingly great product OOO already is MarkeyC - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Mark, This should be put up on issuezilla as an RFE (request for enhancement) login and go to http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/submission_gateway.html and follow the instructions. I like this idea as I do the same thing. My normal system is to have a text editor (Kate in my case) window open across the top with notes in and a Writer window open below, but a pane for putting notes in, docked below stylist for instance, or as a tab in navigator, would be an excellent idea. cheers Yo -- Graham Lauder OpenOffice.org Marcon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Gold Assessor Trainer http://www.theingots.org Member Opendocument Fellowship http://www.opendocumentfellowship.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: a more complete office suite
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:51:25 -0600 Shawn K. Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2005-11-10 at 22:31 -0500, mark wrote: Then, of course, there's the LARGE number of us who DESPISE HTML mail (aka virus-spreader email), and who REALLY DO NOT WANT to HAVE to open a goddamned dog-slow word processor to read our email. (We won't even *begin* to talk about idiots who send out .pdf email) Viruses in e-mail are a problem specific to Windows. In fact, I don't know why they aren't simply called Windows viruses, as that is the only operating system left for which viruses are seen in the wild on a regular basis. Viruses and span could be slowed down or done away with if everyone learn what Digital Signing is all about such as gnu-pg or pgp is and sign all there email. If banks and other Company's started Digital Signing there email's we could tell who emails are coming from and could filter and delete them. Email and Digital Signing into as part of an Office Suite would make a more complete office suite which is good for all. But you're right, usually HTML mail is just plain unnecessary.
Re: [discuss] Re: a more complete office suite
John Thompson wrote: On 2005-11-07, Robbie Darrell Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I also use Thunderbird. But I would like to use something that was integrated into open office like Outlook is in Microsoft Office. I've never used Outlook to any great extent. What sort of integration are you missing in OOo? Doesn't File...Send Document as email work? Or are you looking for something else, like using OOo-Writer as your email editor? Yes I would like to use OOo Writer as my email editor, Maybe there is a way to use parts of OOo in other project or bring other projects into the OOo family of projects. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[discuss] a more complete office suite
Let me first said I love what is happen in Open office.org. It about time some one took on Microsoft the right way. But there needs to be some more work done. I think for some one who works in an office you need complete office suite with out have the following. Word Processing, Spreadsheets,Drawing,Database,Sideshows,Address book,Email,Scheduling all these program and data need to be easy to go between them. Robbie Graham - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] a more complete office suite
Daniel Kasak wrote: Robbie Darrell Graham wrote: Let me first said I love what is happen in Open office.org. It about time some one took on Microsoft the right way. But there needs to be some more work done. I think for some one who works in an office you need complete office suite with out have the following. Word Processing, Spreadsheets,Drawing,Database,Sideshows,Address book,Email,Scheduling all these program and data need to be easy to go between them. All these applications already exist. I am posting this message from Thunderbird - an open-source email client. If you know about Thunderbird but choose not to use it, how about helping out write an email client for OpenOffice? There are a lot of people like yourself who keep asking for it - get all of them together and it should be child's play :) Yes, I also use Thunderbird. But I would like to use something that was integrated into open office like Outlook is in Microsoft Office. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Bullets [EMAIL PROTECTED]!!!
On Fri, 2005-10-14 at 18:35 +1300, Morgan Read wrote: Hi, All I want to do is set the default bullet style (or numbering style for that matter) to something other than what occupies the top-left pane in Format - Bullets and Numbering... under the Bullets tab. Not much, ha? In particular I'd like to set the default to the chunky dot next to the (default) pointy dot. So that, when I hit Shift+F12 or the Bullet button on the Format bar I get a nice chunky dot rather than an horrid pointy one:) The only way I seem to be able use any other of the six bullet options (and btw, how do I change those six?) is to go through the Format - Bullets and Numbering... - Bullets tab dialogue, which is a right royal pita. I've been using OOo for a few years now (since .625, I'm on OOo1.9.125 now) and I'm sure I've solved this once, twice, how ever many times..., but it seems to be a reoccurring problem. Can someone tell me what to set to fix this once and for all! Thanks all, M. Hi Morgan, First it's a good idea to work through the stylist for doing this sort of thing. So these instructions assume that you're doing that. In stylist click on the list styles tab. This gives you the standard 8 or so bullet and numbered list styles. Right click in the body of stylist and click new Give your style a name. I usually create my personal styles with a hyphen as the first character such as: -mystyle. This puts my own styles at the top of the list. Set up your bullets however you want in the dialog window. Now save the blank document as an OTT, say mydefault.ott Go to the file menutemplatesorganise In the Template Management window's left hand column, click template then from the command dropdown menu click import Navigate to wherever you save mydefault.ott, select and click open mydefault.ott will now appear under template in the lefthand column. Highlight mydefault.ott and in the commands menu click Set as default template Close the document. Now when you open a new Writer instance it will launch your template as the default and in the stylist panel you will see -mystyle listed. Start a list- Double click -mystyle in the stylist window and there are your bullets. HTH -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html mob: 027 494 4315 Opendocument fellowship http://www.opendocumentfellowship.org INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Office Technologies) www.theingots.org Blog: yorick.edublogs.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Post the true version number, please!
Eric Peltzer wrote: Why on earth does the OO.o site not post, up front right in the heading, the full actual version number of the software being offered for download? Without this number, it is pretty much impossible tell if one already has the most current version or not. To find this number, one pretty much has to download the current version and install it, or at least unpack it. For instance, six weeks ago I downloaded what was called only OpenOffice.org 2.0 Beta 2. What was actually installed on my machine had the version number 1.9.125. Well actually, the heading above this says quite clearly 'OpenOffice.org 2.0.' Nowhere in my actual installed version is it actually called Beta 2. That's correct. All the pre RC versions are numbered 1.9.xxx. right up to 1.9.130, for developers purposes it was kept that way. Beta1 was 1.9.113 or 118 or somewhere about there if I remember correctly then there were several snapshots before deciding that the next version was stable enough for Beta2 or 125 as you point out. That was followed by more snapshots up to 130. Not an unusual procedure but necessary, when the developers pump out new snapshots every two weeks or so, so that we can keep track of things. Remember that these are alpha and beta versions not the full production version and so at this point the needs of the developers have a higher priority. Today, I noticed on the site that OO 2.0 Release Candidate is now available for download. No actual version number. So I downloaded this, thinking it was an updated version. Trying to install it, the install program informed me that I already had a LATER version of the program installed. Well that was a waste of a 75mb download. I still don't know what the actual version number of OO 2.0 this RC1 might be. The problem you have is a windows installer problem and nothing to do with OOo. It has issues with the long version numbers that OOo uses. Uninstall your 1.9.125 version and reinstall 2.0RC1 Finally, why is this office software called OpenOffice.org rather than simply OpenOffice? Isn't 'dot org' connoting a website rather than an app? The dot org is the trademarked name of the suite, but it describes more than just that. The name as it is, encompasses all of the parts of OOo. The Software, the website and the community. That's why we like it just as it is. :) Cheers Yo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Make whole document page nonwhite
duwane huffaker wrote: Last night I downloaded then installed your 1.9+ beta version. I really like the writer program. I do have a question. Can I turn the entire electronic paper sheet from white to another color, such as black. I would like the entire electronic paper sheet black so I can use green letters for typing. After a couple of hours of typing I experience eyestrain when the electronic paper sheet is the normal white. It would be OK to manually change back to normal white with black typing for printing purposes. I am asking this question because when I tried to change the background color it went line by line and did not change the entire document. Thank you for your time and consideration. A response would be greatly appreciated. Easily done Duane: Tools options appearance Then select a colour from the Dropdown next to Document Background Other than that, I intend to tell others about this wonderful software. Many thanks, we think it's pretty special. :) Cheers Yo -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Office Technologies) www.theingots.org Blog: yorick.edublogs.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Suggestions
BILL GRECO wrote: If there is any way, could you please incorporate Power Point Access functionality? Thank You.---Bill Hey Bill, Unfortunately Powerpoint and Access are Microsoft brands so we can't put them in, they get tetchy about IP...which is ironic in itself. :) We do, however already have a presentation programme : Impress and a Database: Base. The Advantage of this is; you don't get a copy of MS Office, you get OpenOffice.org which is far better... without even considering value for money. :) -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Office Technologies) www.theingots.org Blog: yorick.edublogs.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Next IRC talk.
Daniel Carrera wrote: Greetings all, The next IRC talk will be tomorrow at 09:00 UTC. This should be a suitable time for Asia and Australia. Hope you can make it. Aiet Kolkhi from the Georgian NL project will be talking about software piracy and how it affects open source and in particular OpenOffice.org. As you know, rampant piracy is a major issue in many countries, and it makes it harder to sell open source software. Aiet will talk about his perspective on the issue, and possible ways to deal with the problem. During the discussion session we'll try to brainstorm some ideas for dealing with software piracy. The talk title is: The influence of software piracy on open source Talk time: London Sat 10:00 AM Berlin Sat 11:00 AM Ljubljana Sat 11:00 AM Riga Sat Noon Moscow Sat 1:00 PM Bangkok Sat 4:00 PM Beijin Sat 5:00 PM Perth Sat 5:00 PM Tokyo Sat 6:00 PM Sydney Sat 7:00 PM Cheers, Daniel. Woohoo, an IRC talk that I can get to and actually be awake. :) Cheers Yo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Adobe hosting Open Source / ISV discussion Webinar
Mike Jennings wrote: This may be of interest to people on the list. If interested, please contact Patrice Lagrange ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Summary: Challenges and solutions for ISVs to port applications to Linux. A Webinar hosted by Adobe with the help of the Open Source Community. Featured presentations from Adobe, KDE, GNOME, LSB and OSDL Organized By: Patrice Lagrange ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) YES! I don't know how many years I've been hanging out for this. Adobe porting to Linux is to my mind, arguably the most significant tipping point in broad acceptance of linux on the desktop. More power to them, I will be at that Webinar with bells on. Cheers Yo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Trouble with My Open Office .
Pam Drake wrote: Hello, I have a computer, about 1 year old, running Windows XP. The store I bought it from had your Open Office (1.1.0)already installed on it when I purchased the system (NEW System, not a Used one) For quite sometime, it worked fine for documents. However, about 4 months ago, something happened when I had a document opened. Now...every time I open a SAVED document, or try to open a NEW one, the screen comes up with a VERY LARGE tool bar at the top showing 3D Effects..Donuts... (along with other selections like Backgrounds, Bullets, all in color) I have to go to View Full Screen to make any changes on the document, or see what is written on the page below the LARGE tool bar. How Can I make this GO AWAY...I prefer to open the document, and see the format, layout that I need to work with. I went to the computer store, finally, this weekend..they said to contact you at your web site. Please tell me if there is some button or toggle to reset, so it works like it use to.I don't like having this come up on my documents, covering the full screen. Thank you, Pam D [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Pam, The fix is relatively simple. OOo remembers the last view you had when you used it last so if you have Gallery open when you close the document then it will open it when you relaunch the program. The toggle button that you so rightly assume is there is in the top tool bar on the right. It looks like a little picture frame. Mouse over it and the Gallery text box will popup. Click that and it will go away. If it's not visible, right click on the blank area of the toolbar and then click visible buttons in the dropdown menu. The gallery button is right near the bottom of that menu. Clicking it will toggle the gallery button on or off your toolbar . HTH Cheers Yo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] OpenOffice.org 1.1.5 Release Candidate Is Here
Chris BONDE wrote: Alex Janssen wrote: [snipped 1.1.5rc announcement] Hello Alex 1.1.5 is considered necessary as a bridge for 1.1.x users to attend to a planned migration to 2.0 (uses the new OpenDocument format) when it becomes available. 1.1.5 follows the 1.1.x codeline, and an important item that I did miss from the message is that it includes the security patch that is required for 1.1.4. SNIP Regards Jacqueline McNally Lead, OpenOffice.org Marketing Project You say that 1.15 is considered necessary as a bridge. Does that mean I have to download and install 1.1.5 or can I stay with 1.1.3 until 2 is ready then go go go. Chris Basically over to you Chris. 1.1.5rc has the security patch of a couple of months ago in it. It also reads OpenDocument format documents that have been created in the M680 series. Originally 1.1.5 was going to be released at the same as 2.0 to ease the migration path for enterprise users, but things have got just a little out synch is all. Cheers Yo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Text Color Changing in Writer
Zachary Barnett wrote: Is there a way to change text color that does not involve highlighting already-typed text? If this feature is not already available, it might be something that could make typing multi-colored text in documents easier. Microsoft Word has a feature like this that enables one to instantly change the color of all text typed from the cursor from that point on by simply clicking the color one wants. You don't have to highlight text to change color, although it is an option. I apologize if this feature is already present (if so, please inform me on how to use it), but I have noticed that when I have to type documents quickly (taking notes at a lecture, for example), I simply don't have time to change text color by highlighting it, then choosing the color. But it is not a problem to simply mouse over to the color panel, click the color I want, then keep typing in the new color. Hi Zachary, What you're asking for is a workaround not a feature. :) OOo is not word and never will be thank heavens What you have to remember is that OOo is designed to do large documents so formatting on the fly as you're suggesting is a recipe for disaster. So what OOo does is uses Stylist. The problem with this of course is two fold. First, if you used to using word then stylist is a mystery. and second it requires a little forward planning. So before you need it. Open a new text document, Open stylist if you haven't already (F11 is the normal keyboard shortcut) dock it to whichever side suits you best (I usually make it a little narrower because I have it open all the time ) open the character stylist (The page icon with the A on it) right click on default and click new on the dropdown that appears. In the character style window give you new style a name . (I usually name according to the main style feature I'm using in this style: so for instance if I wanted red text I would call it something like _text red. I put the underscore there because it puts it at the top of the list. Just makes it easier to find quickly later.) Click on the font effects tab and change the colour to whatever suits: say light red in our example. You can change font and bold and italic etc to while you're at it. Of course you can do this as many times as you like so you can have different styles for different notes. Save the blank document as a writer template. Now when you attend lectures simply open that template and when you want to change the style of what you're typing simply double click the appropriate style in stylist. You'll suddenly find it's actually faster and much more versatile than word because you can have multiple dramatically different styles all available with a simple double click of your mouse. Cheers Yo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Re: EU says no to software patents
Daniel Carrera wrote: Manolis Christodoulou wrote: It's a wonderful day for all of us. But in this war, when I read/hear the word victory, I remember master Yoda's words: Victory you said? The dark side clouds everything... Indeed... we've won a major victory, but the war is not over. Although this is a time of celebration, it is not yet time to take down the no software patents banners on your sites: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20050706113609571 But still, this is a time to celebrate. I will. :-) Cheers, Daniel. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] While it is a small victory, in fact the politicos simply got shot of it so they didn't have to deal with the amendments that would have made it so they couldn't grant a patent for software. All that happens now is that the status quo holds and the buck is returned to the member nations who can still patent software. However on the upside the fact that they could see themselves being seriously unpopular if they had passed the legislation means that the voice of FLOSS is being heard and people are taking notice Yo -- Graham Lauder OpenOffice.org MarCon New Zealand (http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html) INGOTs Certification Assessor Trainer www.theingots.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Lingua Latina
Jonathon Blake wrote: Stardock wrote: create an easier way to put macrons over vowels? Easier than what? I can type them directly from my keyboard. xan jonathon Cool, perhaps you could explain how, for Stardocks benefit. -- Graham Lauder OpenOffice.org MarCon New Zealand (http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html) INGOTs Certification Assessor Trainer www.theingots.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Project manager for OOo
Alex Janssen wrote: I was thinking a method of saving the current state OOo, that is, saving the status of all of the currently open OOo application windows would be a handy feature. Quite often I'll have 2 or 3 spreadsheets open along with 2 or 3 writer files. I'll get interrupted and have to close them all. It would be nice to reopen all of them to their previous state with one click. I did not find anything like this in the issues. I use a text editor called Vedit that has a feature they call Projects. It uses the multi-document interface and the projects feature saves the current state of all of its open files. MS, I think had a feature for Excel called a work book. Really this would be just a list of the currently open files allowing you to reopen this group in the future. It would be nice if the window sizes and locations would be saved as well. Alex +1 An excellent idea. Put it up on the issuezilla as an RFE. Probably too late for 2.0, but for later. I'd vote for that. Cheers Yo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[discuss] Another MS XML patent
Approved! Unbelievable! http://www.builderau.com.au/program/work/0,39024650,39190121,00.htm 8-( -- Graham Lauder OpenOffice.org MarCon New Zealand INGOTs Certification Assessor Trainer www.theingots.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Another MS XML patent
Graham Lauder wrote: Approved! Unbelievable! http://www.builderau.com.au/program/work/0,39024650,39190121,00.htm 8-( The original article in ZDNet http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/applications/0,39020384,39200380,00.htm -- Graham Lauder OpenOffice.org MarCon New Zealand (http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html) INGOTs Certification Assessor Trainer www.theingots.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Microsoft XML patent
Peter Hillier-Brook wrote: Graham wrote: NZ Patent app no 525484. Word processing document stored in a single xml file The NZ Open Source Society has produced an objection to the above pile of bovine excrement. A draft has been uploaded to http://nzoss.org.nz/resources/MS_Patent_Opposition.pdf This URL works better with underscores, rather than spaces between MS, Patent and Opposition. I assume a typo. Peter HB Works better with underscores as well. ;) Thanks Yo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[discuss] Microsoft XML patent
NZ Patent app no 525484. Word processing document stored in a single xml file The NZ Open Source Society has produced an objection to the above pile of bovine excrement. A draft has been uploaded to http://nzoss.org.nz/resources/MS Patent Opposition.pdf It would be appreciated if any sharp legal minds on the list would read and comment. list address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Cheers Yo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] QuickStart in 1.9.79
Caleb Marcus wrote: Hmm, 1.9.79 seems to be the latest beta, and I don't see it. Maybe it's because they haven't gotten the latest beta for bittorrent yet. In truth, the latest beta is 1.9.100 but I think the latest torrent is 1.9.87 and '95 coming shortly Cheers Yo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] OO.o1.9.91 window docking issue?
Cor Nouws wrote: Hi Jamie, Jamie Borg wrote: I've freshly downloaded the new beta from betanews.com and am having difficulties to dock the Navigator and Stylist using any of the CTL, ALT or Shift keys and moving the mouse into any of the sides or corners. Anyone else having this problem? The help doesn't mention how to activate docking other than double clicking. which doesn't work for me either. System = Windows XP SP2 same problem over here... Cor I'm not sure if the behaviour is the same in Windows but in 1.9.91 on SuSE you don't have to hold any keys. Just click hold and drag to whichever side. In fact if you hold any keys down it won't dock. HTH Cheers Yo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Novell and OOo for slick new Novell desktop
Carl William Spitzer IV wrote: On Fri, 2005-04-01 at 04:44, Sam Hiser wrote: SNIP Red Hat Enterprise Linux, though, comes out soundly on top as being the most full borne and professional desktop system of any (bar none), even Windows. It's sold only in units of 10 at $2,500 per. Now $250 seems like a lot to an individual student or hacker, but RHDT is a BUNDLED deal--with support, deployment, RH Network, etc-- so you can't compare it blindly across a distro pricing matrix. Trust me, it's by far the best value and most complete; although out of the reach of mere mortals ;-) I use Suse and can't envision what Redhat could have that Suse does not except more books. OTOH I can still buy boxed sets of Suse but not DR who kicked the home user to the curb. I use the Pro edition not enterprise. Looking foward to 9.3 and a new set of books. I have at one time or another used all of the major Distro's, MDK, RH, Xandros, Deb, Slack etc etc. At present I have four machines running here: Ubuntu Warty Warthog, Mandrake 10.1, Xandros 2.5 and SuSE 9.2 And I have to agree that SuSE is the one that will remain my prime OS. I'm looking forward to getting NLD which will be 9.3 by any other name. IMHO Novell will become MS's biggest threat in the desktop market. Its my hope that when IBM buys Novell, a 3 year old rumor, it will immediately rewrite the books and start publishing better manuals. Heh ain't that the truth, however IBM and Novell are so buddy buddy these days that it's hard to tell the difference. So the question is : When IBM Workplace turns from vapour to reality will it turn up in SuSE 10 or whatever comes next? And then when that happens will it be suddenly discovered how much code that Novell developers have been feeding into Workplace rather than into OOo. Just my conspiracy theory for this week! ;) I know we nixer's are all supposed to be hackers but I still prefer people speak to geek when I want to solve a problem in a hurry. RH is also able to attract good third party writers and Suse could use some. Heh, they should just employ OOoAuthors. I've been reading the recently published stuff, I doubt Novell could do better anywhere. Cheers Yo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[discuss] Re: Novell planning big splash around OOo 2.0
Christian Einfeldt wrote: Hi, It looks as if Novell is planning a big splash around OOo 2.0 with their next SuSE Linux release: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1775214,00.asp?kc=EWRSS03129TX1K616 So next time that we get frustrated with each other let's remember our successes, too. Of course, we can always do better, and of course we want to be as flexible as possible, but this is some good stuff! I don't see the point of Novell making a big splash of including 2.0 beta. I hope they also have 1.1.4 in the package so that potential OOo users don't get the wrong impression of the software. Graham - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Suggestion for the presentations tool
Nick Ward wrote: It would be useful if one could insert JPEG files (e.g. corporate logo). OpenOffice complained when I tried to do this. Works in Powerpoint with the same JPEG file. Works for me in 1.1.4 and 1.9.79 on Win2K and Mandrake 10 What version and OS are you having the problem with. Cheers Yo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Open Remember Cursor Position...
Peter Kupfer wrote: Sorry to the Authors group for the cross post. I do not know what the over all feeling on this issue is amongst the OOo community, but I am very sad about the lack of the OOo 2.0 to remember my cursor position when I open. This is the new expected behavior. :( There has been a long line of debate and discussion here about this topic, and right now I am not here to debate its merits or is pitfalls. I am just trying to advertise that those people, and there were many, that would like to see the old behavior back, have a place to voice that opinion and vote. The rational for the change explained here http://specs.openoffice.org/appwide/open_doc_behavior/OpenDocumentBehavior.sxw I have been working with this issue for some time now, and I know there are many who support this feature that exists in 1.1.x and some that want it removed just because OOo has too many features (not my words.) After some discussion with some people I have file issue #43146. http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=43146. If you would like to see this behavior returned to Writer sometime in the near future (I am told this is IMPOSSIBLE for v2) please vote and comment for it. I know as editors of documents this feature is probably very useful for most of us. I know I appreciate it without even knowing it is there. Some of you may say, Well in Word it doesn't remember, but if I press a shortcut it jumps to where I was last time. This would be an acceptable solution, I suppose, but it was not implemented in 2.0 (at least not yet) even though the spec says it should. Please see issue # 39486 http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=39486. This has been requested. Thank you for your time. You have my vote on this one. I'd get on my soapbox over stupid features designed to copy Word... but I won't I'll just vote and encourage as many people as I can to do the same. Cheers Yo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discuss] Break it up
Tim Fairchild wrote: On Friday 28 Jan 2005 12:50, Louis Suarez-Potts wrote: I'm on dialup and am not going to wait 7 hours for it to download. Could you break it up into smaller zip files that I could down load over a period of days? Two immediate options, besides using a download manager (see http://download.openoffice.org/index.html) I just downloaded OOo 1.9 over dialup and my dialup is 21600 at best. With dialup anything over 5meg is a big download and needs a download manager IMO. I used wget (since I'm linux based) and downloaded OOo over a few sessions in two days... tim I use Getright on win2K and set it going before I go to bed. I am happy to say that the Telco guy has been up the road in the last couple of days and I've been getting 33K connection and 3.6k download since. a vast improvement My cup runneth over! ;) Getright terminates the connection when the download is completed. Painless. Cheers Yo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
