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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Documentation

2020-03-27 Thread Jean Weber

Thanks! That the method I always use.

On Fri, 27 Mar 2020 at 22:36 Pulkit Krishna 
wrote:

> The method described in contributors guide in which portion of the chapter
> are copied to the main book except copyright and contents.
>
> On 27 Mar 2020 4:53 p.m., "Jean Weber"  wrote:
>
>> What is the “stacking method”? I’m not familiar with that term.
>> Jean
>>
>> On Fri, 27 Mar 2020 at 20:00 Pulkit Krishna 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hell Everybody,
>>> Chapter 10 has been placed in the published folder.
>>>
>>> Jean and Oliver: I think we should use the stacking method for preparing
>>> the full book of base guide 6.2 as there would be need for much work to
>>> be
>>> done on each chapter like:-
>>> 1) Putting the contents and copyright in sections.
>>> 2) Anchoring all the images to paragraph instead of as character.
>>> 3) Making sure that all the chapter have the copyright and contents
>>> section
>>> set to become invisible in full book by using a condition and declaring a
>>> variable in the master document.
>>>
>>> So I think we should use the stacking method for version 6.2. in version
>>> 6.4 we will take care of these things from begining and use the master
>>> document.
>>>
>>> Pulkit Krishna
>>>
>>>

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Documentation

2020-03-27 Thread Jean Weber

What is the “stacking method”? I’m not familiar with that term.
Jean

On Fri, 27 Mar 2020 at 20:00 Pulkit Krishna 
wrote:

> Hell Everybody,
> Chapter 10 has been placed in the published folder.
>
> Jean:
> I have deleted the note as commented by you but the last paragraph about
> incompatibility between HSQLDB and java is necessary because of two
> reasons:-
>
> 1) We need to inform the users that the problem is no more.
> 2) It is still true that external connections are faster than internal
> HSQLDB. Even external HSQLDB is faster than its internal counterpart.
>
> Jean and Oliver: I think we should use the stacking method for preparing
> the full book of base guide 6.2 as there would be need for much work to be
> done on each chapter like:-
> 1) Putting the contents and copyright in sections.
> 2) Anchoring all the images to paragraph instead of as character.
> 3) Making sure that all the chapter have the copyright and contents section
> set to become invisible in full book by using a condition and declaring a
> variable in the master document.
>
> So I think we should use the stacking method for version 6.2. in version
> 6.4 we will take care of these things from begining and use the master
> document.
>
> Pulkit Krishna
>
>

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[libreoffice-documentation] Base Documentation

2020-03-27 Thread Pulkit Krishna

Hell Everybody,
Chapter 10 has been placed in the published folder.

Jean:
I have deleted the note as commented by you but the last paragraph about
incompatibility between HSQLDB and java is necessary because of two
reasons:-

1) We need to inform the users that the problem is no more.
2) It is still true that external connections are faster than internal
HSQLDB. Even external HSQLDB is faster than its internal counterpart.

Jean and Oliver: I think we should use the stacking method for preparing
the full book of base guide 6.2 as there would be need for much work to be
done on each chapter like:-
1) Putting the contents and copyright in sections.
2) Anchoring all the images to paragraph instead of as character.
3) Making sure that all the chapter have the copyright and contents section
set to become invisible in full book by using a condition and declaring a
variable in the master document.

So I think we should use the stacking method for version 6.2. in version
6.4 we will take care of these things from begining and use the master
document.

Pulkit Krishna

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[libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation?

2015-03-22 Thread Jean Weber

Work on documentation (in English) for Base seems to have stopped,
unless I've missed it. I see a lot of v4.2 drafts of Base Handbook
chapters on ODFAuthors, and a few reviews, mostly from October 2014,
and the tasks list on the wiki shows several chapters checked out for
work (which may or may not have been completed).

Can the Base enthusiasts bring me up to date? (I know there is a more
recent version of the Handbook in German.) Is it worth my time to go
through the existing English drafts and see if they are publishable? I
know there was talk about combining the existing "Base Guide" chapters
with the translated "Base Handbook" into a document to be renamed
"Base Guide", but I haven't seen any evidence of this occurring.

Thanks! --Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Documentation

2015-01-28 Thread Robert Großkopf

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Hi *,

the new German Base-Handbuch Version 4.4 is available now:
http://de.libreoffice.org/get-help/documentation/

There are also more example-databases for special problems with a
description available.

I have created also a Calc-document, which shows the different
chapters, beginning with the first Handbuch V36 for all 6 versions of
the Handbuch. If you are interested in this:
http://robert.familiegrosskopf.de/lo_hb/Vergleich_Base_Handbuecher.ods

Regards

Robert
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Documentation

2015-01-27 Thread Robert Großkopf

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Hi Jonathan,
> 
>> The internal Firebird-database is only experimental so it isn't 
>> documented yet.

There is a comparison of HSQLDB and Firebird available. You could find
it here:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/de#Handbuch_f.C3.BCr_Base
But remember: The internal Firebird isn't ready for use. Functions,
which were needed so much for users of HSQLDB, like DATEADD or LIST
doesn't work in the internal Firebird database at this time. I will
write a chapter about the difference between both databases if the
internal Firebird will work with this two functions ...
> 
> I was hoping to find some documentation about that.
> 
>> The new version of Base-Handbook (V 4.4) will be available in a
>> few days.
> 
> I'll wait for it then.

Have uploaded the files to the wiki now. Not enough time to set the links.

Regards

Robert
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Documentation

2015-01-27 Thread jonathon

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On 27/01/15 20:15, Robert Großkopf wrote:

> The internal Firebird-database is only experimental so it isn't
> documented yet.

I was hoping to find some documentation about that.

> The new version of Base-Handbook (V 4.4) will be available in a few
> days.

I'll wait for it then.

> The German Base-Handbook will show a little bit more examples than
> the older versions.

+1

> There will be also a package of example-databases for special
> solutions with an own description.

+1


jonathon
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Documentation

2015-01-27 Thread Robert Großkopf

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Hi Jonathan,
> 
> I thought that I had seen a couple of messages about using Base in 
> LibreOffice 4.4. However, wandering around 
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/ the highest
> version I've found is the German documentation for 4.3.
> 
> Is there nothing for using Base with LibreOffice 4.4, in _any_
> language?


There is no difference in using LO-Base since a long time. A little
bit has been added or changed (for example a using macros with
date-fields since LO 4.1, using the query-editor with limited queries
since LO 4.1). The internal Firebird-database is only experimental so
it isn't documented yet.

The new version of Base-Handbook (V 4.4) will be available in a few
days. I have just created the *.pdf-files for the whole document: Now
I'm looking for references from one chapter to another, which wouldn't
work outside the global-document.

The German Base-Handbook will show a little bit more examples than the
older versions.

There will be also a package of example-databases for special
solutions with an own description.

Regards

Robert
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[libreoffice-documentation] Base Documentation

2015-01-27 Thread Jean Weber

Robert Großkopf wrote last week that the German version of Base-Handbuch
for LO 4.4 will be published at the end of this month. --Jean

On Wednesday, January 28, 2015, jonathon  wrote:

> I thought that I had seen a couple of messages about using Base in
> LibreOffice 4.4. However, wandering around
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/
> the highest version I've found is the German documentation for 4.3.
>
> Is there nothing for using Base with LibreOffice 4.4, in _any_ language?
>
> jonathon
>
>

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[libreoffice-documentation] Base Documentation

2015-01-27 Thread jonathon

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All:

I thought that I had seen a couple of messages about using Base in
LibreOffice 4.4. However, wandering around
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/
the highest version I've found is the German documentation for 4.3.

Is there nothing for using Base with LibreOffice 4.4, in _any_ language?

jonathon
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation - Forms

2014-10-04 Thread Tom Davies

Hi :)
Thanks, so that's the wiki kinda sorted for you :)  I might be able to help
the couple of you who are having trouble with that maybe next week :)
Others on this mailing list can also help but might be busy.
Thanks and regards from
Tom :)


On 3 October 2014 17:22, Peter Goggin  wrote:

>  On 03/10/14 23:43, Tom Davies wrote:
>
>   Hi :)
>  I tried to fix it to show the right updated status of the 2 chapters in
> question.
>
>  I think it's correct?  Peter, is that correct now?
>  Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
> On 3 October 2014 11:26, Jean Weber  wrote:
>
>>  On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Jean Weber  wrote:
>> > On Friday, October 3, 2014, Peter Goggin 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On 03/10/14 13:48, Jean Weber wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Peter,
>> >>> You were able to log in to ODFAuthors and upload the file, so your
>> >>> user name is clearly valid. I just checked and you appear to have the
>> >>> necessary permissions to change a file's status, so I don't know why
>> >>> you can't. Don't worry about it; it's not stopping you from doing
>> >>> anything else. Anyway, there is no "reviewed" status for files on the
>> >>> ODFAuthors website; we keep track of that on the wiki:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development/UserGuideTasks#Status_of_tasks_BH_v4.2
>> >>>
>> >>> As for checking out another chapter, just download it from ODFAuthors.
>> >>> Then put your initials in the "Checked out" column on the wiki page I
>> >>> linked above.
>> >>>
>> >>> Yes, I know it's a slightly clunky system. We tried to do a more
>> >>> automated one several years ago, using a different platform, but it
>> >>> didn't work out. (Long, boring explanation omitted here.) The people
>> >>> actually doing the work at the time appeared to be happy with the
>> >>> system we're using. Of course, it may be time to change the system, if
>> >>> enough people find it's a problem and want to do something different.
>> >>>
>> >>> Lastly, I see there was no folder for Reviewed 4.2, so I have created
>> >>> one and moved your reviewed file from Drafts 4.2 to the new folder.
>> >>> Using different folders seems to help people keep track of what stage
>> >>> a file has reached.
>> >>>
>> http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/base-handbook/reviewed-4.2/
>> >>>
>> >>> --Jean
>> >>>
>> >> This is the page where I cannot edit or change the fields in the
>> table. If
>> >> I try to log on using my ODF login it says I am not a user.
>> >>
>> >> How can I change the status of files in this page?
>> >>
>> >> I have downloaded the Queries chapter (4.2 Chapter 6 Queries)  and will
>> >> work on this
>> >> Regards
>> >>
>> >> Peter Goggin.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Which precise page are you attempting to access without success? You
>> > uploaded a file to ODFAuthors so you definitely have a working login
>> there.
>> >
>> > If you mean the LibreOffice wiki page, that is a different website which
>> > uses its own login, separate from ODFAuthors. You should be able to
>> create
>> > your own login on the wiki: look for the link in the upper right hand
>> > corner. You can use the same username etc when you create your account
>> > there, if you wish.
>> >
>> > --Jean
>>
>>  Sorry, the wiki page referred to is actually on the Document
>> Foundation wiki, as shown in the URL.
>>
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>  Thanks, that looks ok to me.
>
> Regards
>
> Peter Goggin
>

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation - Forms

2014-10-03 Thread Peter Goggin


On 03/10/14 23:43, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
I tried to fix it to show the right updated status of the 2 chapters 
in question.


I think it's correct?  Peter, is that correct now?
Regards from
Tom :)


On 3 October 2014 11:26, Jean Weber > wrote:


On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Jean Weber mailto:jeanwe...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> On Friday, October 3, 2014, Peter Goggin
mailto:petergog...@bigpond.com>> wrote:
>>
>> On 03/10/14 13:48, Jean Weber wrote:
>>>
>>> Peter,
>>> You were able to log in to ODFAuthors and upload the file, so your
>>> user name is clearly valid. I just checked and you appear to
have the
>>> necessary permissions to change a file's status, so I don't
know why
>>> you can't. Don't worry about it; it's not stopping you from doing
>>> anything else. Anyway, there is no "reviewed" status for files
on the
>>> ODFAuthors website; we keep track of that on the wiki:
>>>
>>>

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development/UserGuideTasks#Status_of_tasks_BH_v4.2
>>>
>>> As for checking out another chapter, just download it from
ODFAuthors.
>>> Then put your initials in the "Checked out" column on the wiki
page I
>>> linked above.
>>>
>>> Yes, I know it's a slightly clunky system. We tried to do a more
>>> automated one several years ago, using a different platform,
but it
>>> didn't work out. (Long, boring explanation omitted here.) The
people
>>> actually doing the work at the time appeared to be happy with the
>>> system we're using. Of course, it may be time to change the
system, if
>>> enough people find it's a problem and want to do something
different.
>>>
>>> Lastly, I see there was no folder for Reviewed 4.2, so I have
created
>>> one and moved your reviewed file from Drafts 4.2 to the new
folder.
>>> Using different folders seems to help people keep track of
what stage
>>> a file has reached.
>>>
http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/base-handbook/reviewed-4.2/
>>>
>>> --Jean
>>>
>> This is the page where I cannot edit or change the fields in
the table. If
>> I try to log on using my ODF login it says I am not a user.
>>
>> How can I change the status of files in this page?
>>
>> I have downloaded the Queries chapter (4.2 Chapter 6 Queries) 
and will

>> work on this
>> Regards
>>
>> Peter Goggin.
>>
>
> Which precise page are you attempting to access without success? You
> uploaded a file to ODFAuthors so you definitely have a working
login there.
>
> If you mean the LibreOffice wiki page, that is a different
website which
> uses its own login, separate from ODFAuthors. You should be able
to create
> your own login on the wiki: look for the link in the upper right
hand
> corner. You can use the same username etc when you create your
account
> there, if you wish.
>
> --Jean

Sorry, the wiki page referred to is actually on the Document
Foundation wiki, as shown in the URL.

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Thanks, that looks ok to me.

Regards

Peter Goggin

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation - Forms

2014-10-03 Thread Tom Davies

Hi :)
I tried to fix it to show the right updated status of the 2 chapters in
question.

I think it's correct?  Peter, is that correct now?
Regards from
Tom :)


On 3 October 2014 11:26, Jean Weber  wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Jean Weber  wrote:
> > On Friday, October 3, 2014, Peter Goggin 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 03/10/14 13:48, Jean Weber wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Peter,
> >>> You were able to log in to ODFAuthors and upload the file, so your
> >>> user name is clearly valid. I just checked and you appear to have the
> >>> necessary permissions to change a file's status, so I don't know why
> >>> you can't. Don't worry about it; it's not stopping you from doing
> >>> anything else. Anyway, there is no "reviewed" status for files on the
> >>> ODFAuthors website; we keep track of that on the wiki:
> >>>
> >>>
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development/UserGuideTasks#Status_of_tasks_BH_v4.2
> >>>
> >>> As for checking out another chapter, just download it from ODFAuthors.
> >>> Then put your initials in the "Checked out" column on the wiki page I
> >>> linked above.
> >>>
> >>> Yes, I know it's a slightly clunky system. We tried to do a more
> >>> automated one several years ago, using a different platform, but it
> >>> didn't work out. (Long, boring explanation omitted here.) The people
> >>> actually doing the work at the time appeared to be happy with the
> >>> system we're using. Of course, it may be time to change the system, if
> >>> enough people find it's a problem and want to do something different.
> >>>
> >>> Lastly, I see there was no folder for Reviewed 4.2, so I have created
> >>> one and moved your reviewed file from Drafts 4.2 to the new folder.
> >>> Using different folders seems to help people keep track of what stage
> >>> a file has reached.
> >>>
> http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/base-handbook/reviewed-4.2/
> >>>
> >>> --Jean
> >>>
> >> This is the page where I cannot edit or change the fields in the table.
> If
> >> I try to log on using my ODF login it says I am not a user.
> >>
> >> How can I change the status of files in this page?
> >>
> >> I have downloaded the Queries chapter (4.2 Chapter 6 Queries)  and will
> >> work on this
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> Peter Goggin.
> >>
> >
> > Which precise page are you attempting to access without success? You
> > uploaded a file to ODFAuthors so you definitely have a working login
> there.
> >
> > If you mean the LibreOffice wiki page, that is a different website which
> > uses its own login, separate from ODFAuthors. You should be able to
> create
> > your own login on the wiki: look for the link in the upper right hand
> > corner. You can use the same username etc when you create your account
> > there, if you wish.
> >
> > --Jean
>
> Sorry, the wiki page referred to is actually on the Document
> Foundation wiki, as shown in the URL.
>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation - Forms

2014-10-03 Thread Sigrid Carrera

Hi Peter,

can you post the link to the page you are trying to edit? Then maybe Jean
or I can have a look at your rights.
But as Jean already pointed out, you have the same rights as any other user
that can check in documents...
However, it could be a bug, that's why I'm aksing.


Sigrid



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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation - Forms

2014-10-03 Thread Peter Goggin

On 03/10/14 20:26, Jean Weber wrote:

On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Jean Weber wrote:

On Friday, October 3, 2014, Peter Goggin wrote:

On 03/10/14 13:48, Jean Weber wrote:

Peter,
You were able to log in to ODFAuthors and upload the file, so your
user name is clearly valid. I just checked and you appear to have the
necessary permissions to change a file's status, so I don't know why
you can't. Don't worry about it; it's not stopping you from doing
anything else. Anyway, there is no "reviewed" status for files on the
ODFAuthors website; we keep track of that on the wiki:

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development/UserGuideTasks#Status_of_tasks_BH_v4.2

As for checking out another chapter, just download it from ODFAuthors.
Then put your initials in the "Checked out" column on the wiki page I
linked above.

Yes, I know it's a slightly clunky system. We tried to do a more
automated one several years ago, using a different platform, but it
didn't work out. (Long, boring explanation omitted here.) The people
actually doing the work at the time appeared to be happy with the
system we're using. Of course, it may be time to change the system, if
enough people find it's a problem and want to do something different.

Lastly, I see there was no folder for Reviewed 4.2, so I have created
one and moved your reviewed file from Drafts 4.2 to the new folder.
Using different folders seems to help people keep track of what stage
a file has reached.
http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/base-handbook/reviewed-4.2/

--Jean

This is the page where I cannot edit or change the fields in the table. If
I try to log on using my ODF login it says I am not a user.

How can I change the status of files in this page?

I have downloaded the Queries chapter (4.2 Chapter 6 Queries) and will
work on this
Regards

Peter Goggin.

Which precise page are you attempting to access without success? You
uploaded a file to ODFAuthors so you definitely have a working login there.

If you mean the LibreOffice wiki page, that is a different website which
uses its own login, separate from ODFAuthors. You should be able to create
your own login on the wiki: look for the link in the upper right hand
corner. You can use the same username etc when you create your account
there, if you wish.

--Jean

Sorry, the wiki page referred to is actually on the Document
Foundation wiki, as shown in the URL.

I am sorry but I do not seem to be able to make any changes to this
page, despite logging on etc. I need to remove the reference to me in
the last column for Ch 4 Forms and put an entry indicating I am working
on Ch 5 Queries.

I am probably missing something blindinglynobvious.

Regards

Peter Goggin

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation - Forms

2014-10-03 Thread Jean Weber

On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Jean Weber  wrote:
> On Friday, October 3, 2014, Peter Goggin  wrote:
>>
>> On 03/10/14 13:48, Jean Weber wrote:
>>>
>>> Peter,
>>> You were able to log in to ODFAuthors and upload the file, so your
>>> user name is clearly valid. I just checked and you appear to have the
>>> necessary permissions to change a file's status, so I don't know why
>>> you can't. Don't worry about it; it's not stopping you from doing
>>> anything else. Anyway, there is no "reviewed" status for files on the
>>> ODFAuthors website; we keep track of that on the wiki:
>>>
>>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development/UserGuideTasks#Status_of_tasks_BH_v4.2
>>>
>>> As for checking out another chapter, just download it from ODFAuthors.
>>> Then put your initials in the "Checked out" column on the wiki page I
>>> linked above.
>>>
>>> Yes, I know it's a slightly clunky system. We tried to do a more
>>> automated one several years ago, using a different platform, but it
>>> didn't work out. (Long, boring explanation omitted here.) The people
>>> actually doing the work at the time appeared to be happy with the
>>> system we're using. Of course, it may be time to change the system, if
>>> enough people find it's a problem and want to do something different.
>>>
>>> Lastly, I see there was no folder for Reviewed 4.2, so I have created
>>> one and moved your reviewed file from Drafts 4.2 to the new folder.
>>> Using different folders seems to help people keep track of what stage
>>> a file has reached.
>>> http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/base-handbook/reviewed-4.2/
>>>
>>> --Jean
>>>
>> This is the page where I cannot edit or change the fields in the table. If
>> I try to log on using my ODF login it says I am not a user.
>>
>> How can I change the status of files in this page?
>>
>> I have downloaded the Queries chapter (4.2 Chapter 6 Queries)  and will
>> work on this
>> Regards
>>
>> Peter Goggin.
>>
>
> Which precise page are you attempting to access without success? You
> uploaded a file to ODFAuthors so you definitely have a working login there.
>
> If you mean the LibreOffice wiki page, that is a different website which
> uses its own login, separate from ODFAuthors. You should be able to create
> your own login on the wiki: look for the link in the upper right hand
> corner. You can use the same username etc when you create your account
> there, if you wish.
>
> --Jean

Sorry, the wiki page referred to is actually on the Document
Foundation wiki, as shown in the URL.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation - Forms

2014-10-02 Thread Jean Weber

On Friday, October 3, 2014, Peter Goggin  wrote:

> On 03/10/14 13:48, Jean Weber wrote:
>
>> Peter,
>> You were able to log in to ODFAuthors and upload the file, so your
>> user name is clearly valid. I just checked and you appear to have the
>> necessary permissions to change a file's status, so I don't know why
>> you can't. Don't worry about it; it's not stopping you from doing
>> anything else. Anyway, there is no "reviewed" status for files on the
>> ODFAuthors website; we keep track of that on the wiki:
>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development/
>> UserGuideTasks#Status_of_tasks_BH_v4.2
>>
>> As for checking out another chapter, just download it from ODFAuthors.
>> Then put your initials in the "Checked out" column on the wiki page I
>> linked above.
>>
>> Yes, I know it's a slightly clunky system. We tried to do a more
>> automated one several years ago, using a different platform, but it
>> didn't work out. (Long, boring explanation omitted here.) The people
>> actually doing the work at the time appeared to be happy with the
>> system we're using. Of course, it may be time to change the system, if
>> enough people find it's a problem and want to do something different.
>>
>> Lastly, I see there was no folder for Reviewed 4.2, so I have created
>> one and moved your reviewed file from Drafts 4.2 to the new folder.
>> Using different folders seems to help people keep track of what stage
>> a file has reached.
>> http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/base-handbook/reviewed-4.2/
>>
>> --Jean
>>
>>  This is the page where I cannot edit or change the fields in the table.
> If I try to log on using my ODF login it says I am not a user.
>
> How can I change the status of files in this page?
>
> I have downloaded the Queries chapter (4.2 Chapter 6 Queries)  and will
> work on this
> Regards
>
> Peter Goggin.
>
>
Which precise page are you attempting to access without success? You
uploaded a file to ODFAuthors so you definitely have a working login there.

If you mean the LibreOffice wiki page, that is a different website
which uses its own login, separate from ODFAuthors. You should be able to
create your own login on the wiki: look for the link in the upper right
hand corner. You can use the same username etc when you create your account
there, if you wish.

--Jean

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Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation - Forms

2014-10-02 Thread Peter Goggin

Should be chapter 5 for Queries.
Regards
Peter Goggin

 Forwarded Message 
Subject:Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation - Forms
Date:   Fri, 03 Oct 2014 14:37:19 +1000
From:   Peter Goggin 
To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org
CC: Jean Weber 

On 03/10/14 13:48, Jean Weber wrote:

Peter,
You were able to log in to ODFAuthors and upload the file, so your
user name is clearly valid. I just checked and you appear to have the
necessary permissions to change a file's status, so I don't know why
you can't. Don't worry about it; it's not stopping you from doing
anything else. Anyway, there is no "reviewed" status for files on the
ODFAuthors website; we keep track of that on the wiki:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development/UserGuideTasks#Status_of_tasks_BH_v4.2

As for checking out another chapter, just download it from ODFAuthors.
Then put your initials in the "Checked out" column on the wiki page I
linked above.

Yes, I know it's a slightly clunky system. We tried to do a more
automated one several years ago, using a different platform, but it
didn't work out. (Long, boring explanation omitted here.) The people
actually doing the work at the time appeared to be happy with the
system we're using. Of course, it may be time to change the system, if
enough people find it's a problem and want to do something different.

Lastly, I see there was no folder for Reviewed 4.2, so I have created
one and moved your reviewed file from Drafts 4.2 to the new folder.
Using different folders seems to help people keep track of what stage
a file has reached.
http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/base-handbook/reviewed-4.2/

--Jean

This is the page where I cannot edit or change the fields in the table.
If I try to log on using my ODF login it says I am not a user.

How can I change the status of files in this page?

I have downloaded the Queries chapter (4.2 Chapter 6 Queries)  and will
work on this
Regards

Peter Goggin.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation - Forms

2014-10-02 Thread Peter Goggin

On 03/10/14 13:48, Jean Weber wrote:

As for checking out another chapter, just download it from ODFAuthors.
Then put your initials in the "Checked out" column on the wiki page I
linked above.

--Jean

This is the page where I cannot edit or change the fields in the table.
If I try to log on using my ODF login it says I am not a user.

How can I change the status of files in this page?

I have downloaded the Queries chapter (4.2 Chapter 6 Queries) and will
work on this

Regards

Peter Goggin.

Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation - Forms

2014-10-02 Thread Jean Weber

On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Peter Goggin  wrote:
> On 02/10/14 04:03, Dave Barton wrote:
>>
>>  Original Message   From: Peter Goggin
>>   To:Documentation@Global.LibreOffice.Org  Date:
>> Wed, 01 Oct 2014 18:40:00 +1000
>>
>>> I have worked through chapter 4 - forms on the Base documentation. Apart
>>> from a minor concern relating to the descriptions of the various options
>>> in the drop down menus I found that it was a good document, and would
>>> certainly be of help to people developing forms.   Owing to a disk crash
>>>   I have lost a number of e-mails relating to this project.
>>> Would it be possible for someone  to advise me on
>>> 1. How to check the chapter back in
>>> 2. What chapter should I work on next?
>>> 3. How do I check out any new chapters I work on?
>>> 4. What are the links for downloading chapters?
>>>
>>> Sorry to be a pain but it has been many years since I have been involve
>>> in a large team and I do not want to screw anything up.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Peter Goggin
>>
>> Hi Peter,
>>
>> Anyone who is prepared to "step up to the plate" and help with the
>> documentation is _NOT_ a pain. Don't concern yourself too much about
>> "screwing anything up", because everything is fixable and nobody will
>> get upset about a genuine mistake. Probably the only semi-important
>> thing to remember is renaming any edited files you check back in. (See
>> point 1 below.)
>>
>> You should find answers to most of your questions at:
>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development
>> If you need any further clarification please write back to this list.
>>
>> In answer to your specific questions:
>>
>> 1. See:
>>
>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development#Uploading_a_file_after_a_review
>> Change the name of the file you are checking back in to include your
>> initials and editing date. Something like:
>> BH4204-Forms_AC_PG_01Oct2014.odt
>> (The AC indicates that you reviewed Alan Cook's revision.)
>> Then change the status here:
>>
>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development/UserGuideTasks#Base_Handbook
>>
>> 2. The choice is yours. If you are interested in working on the Base
>> Handbook there appears to be plenty to choose from at:
>> http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/base-handbook/drafts_4.2
>>
>> 3. See:
>>
>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development#Downloading_a_file_for_review
>> Then change the status here:
>>
>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development/UserGuideTasks
>>
>> 4. For chapters you want to work on I would recommend the ODF Authors
>> website:http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english
>> It appears that Jean has made the Base Handbook chapters "Externally
>> Visible" (ie. no log-in required), but if you want to retract (ie. work
>> on) them you will need to log-in first.
>>
>> I believe the above information to be accurate, but others will
>> undoubtedly correct any errors I may have made.
>>
>> I hope this helps.
>>
>> Regards
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
> I have uploaded my version of the the Forms chapter. I looked at the link
> for changing the status of the file. I do not have access to change the
> status. Do I need an account for this, other than the ODF authors login.
> (This does not work on the sign in.) It says my user name is invalid, yet
> when I try to create a user it says I already exist.
>
> I need to be able to set the status to reviewed and then be able to check
> out another chapter.
>
> Regards
>
> Peter Goggin

Peter,
You were able to log in to ODFAuthors and upload the file, so your
user name is clearly valid. I just checked and you appear to have the
necessary permissions to change a file's status, so I don't know why
you can't. Don't worry about it; it's not stopping you from doing
anything else. Anyway, there is no "reviewed" status for files on the
ODFAuthors website; we keep track of that on the wiki:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development/UserGuideTasks#Status_of_tasks_BH_v4.2

As for checking out another chapter, just download it from ODFAuthors.
Then put your initials in the "Checked out" column on the wiki page I
linked above.

Yes, I know it's a slightly clunky system. We tried to do a more
automated one several years ago, using a different platform, but it
didn't work out. (Long, boring explanation omitted here.) The people
actually doing the work at the time appeared to be happy with the
system we're using. Of course, it may be time to change the system, if
enough people find it's a problem and want to do something different.

Lastly, I see there was no folder for Reviewed 4.2, so I have created
one and moved your reviewed file from Drafts 4.2 to the new folder.
Using different folders seems to help people keep track of what stage
a file has reached.
http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/base-handbook/reviewed-4.2/

--Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation - Forms

2014-10-02 Thread Peter Goggin

On 02/10/14 04:03, Dave Barton wrote:

Original Message From: Peter Goggin
To:Documentation@Global.LibreOffice.Org Date:
Wed, 01 Oct 2014 18:40:00 +1000

I have worked through chapter 4 - forms on the Base documentation. Apart
from a minor concern relating to the descriptions of the various options
in the drop down menus I found that it was a good document, and would
certainly be of help to people developing forms. Owing to a disk crash
I have lost a number of e-mails relating to this project.
Would it be possible for someone to advise me on
1. How to check the chapter back in
2. What chapter should I work on next?
3. How do I check out any new chapters I work on?
4. What are the links for downloading chapters?

Sorry to be a pain but it has been many years since I have been involve
in a large team and I do not want to screw anything up.

Thanks in advance

Regards

Peter Goggin

Hi Peter,

Anyone who is prepared to "step up to the plate" and help with the
documentation is _NOT_ a pain. Don't concern yourself too much about
"screwing anything up", because everything is fixable and nobody will
get upset about a genuine mistake. Probably the only semi-important
thing to remember is renaming any edited files you check back in. (See
point 1 below.)

You should find answers to most of your questions at:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development
If you need any further clarification please write back to this list.

In answer to your specific questions:

1. See:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development#Uploading_a_file_after_a_review
Change the name of the file you are checking back in to include your
initials and editing date. Something like:
BH4204-Forms_AC_PG_01Oct2014.odt
(The AC indicates that you reviewed Alan Cook's revision.)
Then change the status here:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development/UserGuideTasks#Base_Handbook

2. The choice is yours. If you are interested in working on the Base
Handbook there appears to be plenty to choose from at:
http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/base-handbook/drafts_4.2

3. See:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development#Downloading_a_file_for_review
Then change the status here:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development/UserGuideTasks

4. For chapters you want to work on I would recommend the ODF Authors
website:http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english
It appears that Jean has made the Base Handbook chapters "Externally
Visible" (ie. no log-in required), but if you want to retract (ie. work
on) them you will need to log-in first.

I believe the above information to be accurate, but others will
undoubtedly correct any errors I may have made.

I hope this helps.

Regards
Dave

I have uploaded my version of the the Forms chapter. I looked at the
link for changing the status of the file. I do not have access to change
the status. Do I need an account for this, other than the ODF authors
login. (This does not work on the sign in.) It says my user name is
invalid, yet when I try to create a user it says I already exist.

I need to be able to set the status to reviewed and then be able to
check out another chapter.

Regards

Peter Goggin

Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation - Forms

2014-10-01 Thread Jean Weber

For title, put the number and name of the chapter, for example BH42 Ch4 Forms.

You can leave the description blank; it's not needed. Or you can put a
note about what you've done. For example, "Reviewed and some changes
and questions are in the file."

--Jean


On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Peter Goggin  wrote:
> Thanks for the instructions.  When I try to upload my file it asks for a
> title and then another field for description used in searches etc.
>
> What do I put in these field?
>
> Is the title the file name?
>
> Again sorry for the trouble, but as I get older I have some difficulty in
> grsping new concepts, until I have used them one or two times.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Peter Goggin

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation - Forms

2014-10-01 Thread Peter Goggin

Thanks for the instructions.  When I try to upload my file it asks for a 
title and then another field for description used in searches etc.


What do I put in these field?

Is the title the file name?

Again sorry for the trouble, but as I get older I have some difficulty 
in grsping new concepts, until I have used them one or two times.


Thanks in advance

Peter Goggin

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[libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation - Forms

2014-10-01 Thread Jean Weber

Only as a last resort, if you are unable to access the ODFAuthors website,
should you send a file directly to me. Otherwise, it might sit around for
awhile if I am away from my computer; I can't deal with it from a mobile
device.

In addition to the info in Dave Barton's note in reply: the preferred place
to upload a reviewed file is the Feedback or Reviewed folder for the book
you're working on.

Also, it's a good idea to tell the list where you've put it; otherwise, it
might be awhile before someone notices.

--Jean

On Wednesday, October 1, 2014, Tom Davies > wrote:

> Hi :)
> You can attach the chapter to a private email to someone such as Jean, who
> has access to ODFAuthors and knows what she is doing with it.
>
>

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation - Forms

2014-10-01 Thread Tom Davies

Hi :)
+1
to all of it especially about not being a pain.

Looks like a much better answer than mine.  Thanks :)
Regards from
Tom :)

On 1 October 2014 19:03, Dave Barton  wrote:

>  Original Message   From: Peter Goggin
>  To: Documentation@Global.LibreOffice.Org Date:
> Wed, 01 Oct 2014 18:40:00 +1000
>
> > I have worked through chapter 4 - forms on the Base documentation. Apart
> > from a minor concern relating to the descriptions of the various options
> > in the drop down menus I found that it was a good document, and would
> > certainly be of help to people developing forms.   Owing to a disk crash
> >  I have lost a number of e-mails relating to this project.
> > Would it be possible for someone  to advise me on
> > 1. How to check the chapter back in
> > 2. What chapter should I work on next?
> > 3. How do I check out any new chapters I work on?
> > 4. What are the links for downloading chapters?
> >
> > Sorry to be a pain but it has been many years since I have been involve
> > in a large team and I do not want to screw anything up.
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Peter Goggin
>
> Hi Peter,
>
> Anyone who is prepared to "step up to the plate" and help with the
> documentation is _NOT_ a pain. Don't concern yourself too much about
> "screwing anything up", because everything is fixable and nobody will
> get upset about a genuine mistake. Probably the only semi-important
> thing to remember is renaming any edited files you check back in. (See
> point 1 below.)
>
> You should find answers to most of your questions at:
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development
> If you need any further clarification please write back to this list.
>
> In answer to your specific questions:
>
> 1. See:
>
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development#Uploading_a_file_after_a_review
> Change the name of the file you are checking back in to include your
> initials and editing date. Something like:
> BH4204-Forms_AC_PG_01Oct2014.odt
> (The AC indicates that you reviewed Alan Cook's revision.)
> Then change the status here:
>
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development/UserGuideTasks#Base_Handbook
>
> 2. The choice is yours. If you are interested in working on the Base
> Handbook there appears to be plenty to choose from at:
> http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/base-handbook/drafts_4.2
>
> 3. See:
>
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development#Downloading_a_file_for_review
> Then change the status here:
>
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development/UserGuideTasks
>
> 4. For chapters you want to work on I would recommend the ODF Authors
> website: http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english
> It appears that Jean has made the Base Handbook chapters "Externally
> Visible" (ie. no log-in required), but if you want to retract (ie. work
> on) them you will need to log-in first.
>
> I believe the above information to be accurate, but others will
> undoubtedly correct any errors I may have made.
>
> I hope this helps.
>
> Regards
> Dave
>
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation - Forms

2014-10-01 Thread Dave Barton

 Original Message   From: Peter Goggin
 To: Documentation@Global.LibreOffice.Org Date:
Wed, 01 Oct 2014 18:40:00 +1000

> I have worked through chapter 4 - forms on the Base documentation. Apart
> from a minor concern relating to the descriptions of the various options
> in the drop down menus I found that it was a good document, and would
> certainly be of help to people developing forms.   Owing to a disk crash
>  I have lost a number of e-mails relating to this project.
> Would it be possible for someone  to advise me on
> 1. How to check the chapter back in
> 2. What chapter should I work on next?
> 3. How do I check out any new chapters I work on?
> 4. What are the links for downloading chapters?
> 
> Sorry to be a pain but it has been many years since I have been involve
> in a large team and I do not want to screw anything up.
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> Regards
> 
> Peter Goggin

Hi Peter,

Anyone who is prepared to "step up to the plate" and help with the
documentation is _NOT_ a pain. Don't concern yourself too much about
"screwing anything up", because everything is fixable and nobody will
get upset about a genuine mistake. Probably the only semi-important
thing to remember is renaming any edited files you check back in. (See
point 1 below.)

You should find answers to most of your questions at:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development
If you need any further clarification please write back to this list.

In answer to your specific questions:

1. See:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development#Uploading_a_file_after_a_review
Change the name of the file you are checking back in to include your
initials and editing date. Something like:
BH4204-Forms_AC_PG_01Oct2014.odt
(The AC indicates that you reviewed Alan Cook's revision.)
Then change the status here:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development/UserGuideTasks#Base_Handbook

2. The choice is yours. If you are interested in working on the Base
Handbook there appears to be plenty to choose from at:
http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/base-handbook/drafts_4.2

3. See:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development#Downloading_a_file_for_review
Then change the status here:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development/UserGuideTasks

4. For chapters you want to work on I would recommend the ODF Authors
website: http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english
It appears that Jean has made the Base Handbook chapters "Externally
Visible" (ie. no log-in required), but if you want to retract (ie. work
on) them you will need to log-in first.

I believe the above information to be accurate, but others will
undoubtedly correct any errors I may have made.

I hope this helps.

Regards
Dave



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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation - Forms

2014-10-01 Thread Tom Davies

Hi :)
You can attach the chapter to a private email to someone such as Jean, who
has access to ODFAuthors and knows what she is doing with it.

If you really want to learn how to do it yourself then this suggested
work-flow might help;
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development#Using_ODFAuthors_website
or / and this guide;
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development#Contributors_Guide


You can choose which chapter of which guide/handbook you would like to work
on next.  This wiki might help you avoid things that other people are
working on;
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development/UserGuideTasks

If you'd like a recommendation then any of chapters 5, 6 and 7 makes sense
- to follow on from what you have already done.
Chapter 5, about Queries, feels like a bit of a step backwards because
it's usually better practice to base Forms&Reports on Queries rather than
directly on Tables.  However i think the aim was to quickly get something
working for the User and then help them find better and better ways of
doing things, and to help them discover why those ways are better.
Chapter 6, about Reports, is more of a natural follow-on but is (VERY!)
roughly the same sort of thing.  This might be something you could race
through quite quickly now and maybe use to improve your own database (i
doubt it because you know enough about databases already to know the
advantages and disadvantages of Forms over Reports, but it's still
possible).
Chapter 7, about Linking to Databases, is probably the most hugely
useful one for you right now.  It's the biggest advantage and main reason
why Base is sooo far in advance of Access that it makes Access look like a
child's toy.

The "Forms" chapter in Writer might have been fairly useful but we've
missed the chance for this release of the Writers Guide.  No matter!!
Onwards and upwards!  There will be another chance to work on it in a few
months time, or a years time or whenever the next version is being done.
There is plenty else to do here that would also be useful!

Btw i had a hard-drive failure yday but luckily turned out to be an
intermittent fault and it's working again today.  I still need to back-up
my data!  A colleague had the same problem but since he was on Windows it
was a more serious problem and he's doing a full reinstall to a new drive
and is restricted to just using his tablet until it gets done!  It's good
to hear you were able to breeze through it more easily!
Many thanks and regards from
Tom :)


On 1 October 2014 09:40, Peter Goggin  wrote:

> I have worked through chapter 4 - forms on the Base documentation. Apart
> from a minor concern relating to the descriptions of the various options in
> the drop down menus I found that it was a good document, and would
> certainly be of help to people developing forms.   Owing to a disk crash  I
> have lost a number of e-mails relating to this project.
> Would it be possible for someone  to advise me on
> 1. How to check the chapter back in
> 2. What chapter should I work on next?
> 3. How do I check out any new chapters I work on?
> 4. What are the links for downloading chapters?
>
> Sorry to be a pain but it has been many years since I have been involve in
> a large team and I do not want to screw anything up.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Regards
>
> Peter Goggin
>
>
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[libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation - Forms

2014-10-01 Thread Peter Goggin

I have worked through chapter 4 - forms on the Base documentation. Apart 
from a minor concern relating to the descriptions of the various options 
in the drop down menus I found that it was a good document, and would 
certainly be of help to people developing forms.   Owing to a disk crash 
 I have lost a number of e-mails relating to this project.

Would it be possible for someone  to advise me on
1. How to check the chapter back in
2. What chapter should I work on next?
3. How do I check out any new chapters I work on?
4. What are the links for downloading chapters?

Sorry to be a pain but it has been many years since I have been involve 
in a large team and I do not want to screw anything up.


Thanks in advance

Regards

Peter Goggin


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation volunteers

2014-09-09 Thread Robert Großkopf

Hello Alan,

> 
> The reason that there's both a Guide and a Handbook is that the German 
> documentation team got tired of waiting around for the English team to 
> finish the Base Guide, so they took the draft chapters, translated them, 
> finished the book, and published it as the Base-Handbuch. That document 
> was then translated back into English as the Base Handbook.

I have written most of the content of the Base-Handbuch. So let me say:
We haven't translated anything from the Base-Guide (or the
draft-chapters of it ...) for the Base-Handbuch. I have written it,
because there wasn't much information available for Base and it seems to
be needed in mailinglists and forums.

Regards

Robert



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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation volunteers

2014-09-09 Thread Jean Weber

On Wednesday, September 10, 2014, Robinson Tryon 
wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Alan Cook  > wrote:
> > The reason that there's both a Guide and a Handbook is that the German
> > documentation team got tired of waiting around for the English team to
> > finish the Base Guide, so they took the draft chapters, translated them,
> > finished the book, and published it as the Base-Handbuch. That document
> was
> > then translated back into English as the Base Handbook.
>
> Why the difference in name? Is the Handbook written in a different
> style than our other guides?

Because the Base Guide had several chapters in draft form before we decided
that translating the German Handbuch would be a faster way to get a book on
Base done in English, we used a different name, Handbook, to avoid
confusion with the draft guide. I note that all the German translations
of the English User Guides are Handbooks; I assume that's the German
equivalent term.

And yes, the translated Base Handbook is written in a somewhat different
style, though not greatly different.

>
> > Contrary to what Tom D. indicated, the Handbook is /not/ shorter or less
> > thorough than the Guide. Each is intended to be a complete and
> comprehensive
> > user manual; the difference is that the Handbook is finished (although
> not
> > up-to-date in English.) The current German version of the Handbook has
> 448
> > pages in 11 chapters; the plan for the Guide includes 10 chapters, of
> which
> > only 3 are complete.
>
> Hmm... if they're roughly the same type of manual, then perhaps
> name/content harmonization would help avoid confusion. (Apologies if
> there's already been a conversation on this matter; please feel free
> to point me at it)

> >...Moreover, this needs to be done by someone who's
> > running Base on Linux. For reasons I don't understand, screen captures
> don't
> > always work correctly when done using Windows, and Windows is what I'm
> > running.

> IIRC, most projects take screenshots in GNU/Linux for
> 1) Consistency
> 2) Avoiding any question about including screenshots of a proprietary WM

Those are the reasons for preferring to take screenshots using Linux. It
has nothing to do with "don't always work correctly when done using
Windows". I note that those in the Writer Guide are taken from Windows, and
the Getting Started Guide has a mixture of Windows, Mac, and Linux pix. In
both cases it's either be inconsistent or not get the book done. IMO having
some Windows pix in the Base Handbook is not a problem, though others
disagree.

--Jean

>
> Best,
> --R
>
>
> --
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> QA Engineer - The Document Foundation
> LibreOffice Community Outreach Herald
> qu...@libreoffice.org 
>
>

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation volunteers

2014-09-09 Thread Tom Davies

Hi :)
Wow, that was all very interesting.

To me the word "handbook" suggests a reasonably comprehensive book that
covers most simple cases and/or maybe look-up tables or "cheat sheets" to
nudge me in the right direction without going into anything in tooo much
depth.  For the greater depth i'd expect something heftier, a manual or
something like that.

I hadn't thought about how translation to and from German might change
nuances and implications such as that.  That changes quite a lot of things
imo.

Taking screen-shots is more like part of a final review process.  I don't
think it's something a new proof-reader is likely to be able to do.  I
suspect it's better to do them after a proper review so that the person
taking the screen-shots isn't distracted by other issues and can
batch-process them to make sure they are all consistent.

As far as taking screen-shots goes, it is a little more painful and less
obvious in Windows but that is not really the issue.  The main problem is
that MS sometimes choose to clobber people who disregard their Eula and
stuff but most of the time they seem to let it slide.  However it might be
worth bearing in mind that MS Office is a significant part of their profits
and anything that helps anyone reduce their profits could easily be seen as
a threat by them.  It's not even as though LO helps MS gain greater market
share (an alleged reason why so many pirated versions of their stuff is up
for grabs in so many countries).

Apple might also choose to clobber us for screen-shots and allegedly they
have a reputation for being quite heavy handed - however LO does not
threaten a core income stream of their's.  It may even be helping them look
more viable in the markets they seem to be aiming for at the moment.  So i
can't really imagine them doing it unless we make their icons look bad or
some other bit of bad design.

To take a screen-shot in Gnu&Linux;
1.  press the PrintScreen button on your keyboard
2.  click on save or press enter.

To take a screen-shot in Windows
1.  press the PrintScreen button on your keyboard (that copies the image
into the clipboard)
2.  open some program such as Word or an image editing program or something
3.  do Ctrl V or Edit - Paste
4.  go to File - Save
5.  create a name for the file
6.  choose where to save it
7.  click on save or press enter.

Regards from
Tom :)

On 9 September 2014 17:24, Robinson Tryon  wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Alan Cook  wrote:
> > The reason that there's both a Guide and a Handbook is that the German
> > documentation team got tired of waiting around for the English team to
> > finish the Base Guide, so they took the draft chapters, translated them,
> > finished the book, and published it as the Base-Handbuch. That document
> was
> > then translated back into English as the Base Handbook.
>
> Why the difference in name? Is the Handbook written in a different
> style than our other guides?
>
> > Contrary to what Tom D. indicated, the Handbook is /not/ shorter or less
> > thorough than the Guide. Each is intended to be a complete and
> comprehensive
> > user manual; the difference is that the Handbook is finished (although
> not
> > up-to-date in English.) The current German version of the Handbook has
> 448
> > pages in 11 chapters; the plan for the Guide includes 10 chapters, of
> which
> > only 3 are complete.
>
> Hmm... if they're roughly the same type of manual, then perhaps
> name/content harmonization would help avoid confusion. (Apologies if
> there's already been a conversation on this matter; please feel free
> to point me at it)
>
> >...Moreover, this needs to be done by someone who's
> > running Base on Linux. For reasons I don't understand, screen captures
> don't
> > always work correctly when done using Windows, and Windows is what I'm
> > running.
>
> IIRC, most projects take screenshots in GNU/Linux for
> 1) Consistency
> 2) Avoiding any question about including screenshots of a proprietary WM
>
>
> Best,
> --R
>
>
> --
> Robinson Tryon
> QA Engineer - The Document Foundation
> LibreOffice Community Outreach Herald
> qu...@libreoffice.org
>

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation volunteers

2014-09-09 Thread Robinson Tryon

On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Alan Cook  wrote:
> The reason that there's both a Guide and a Handbook is that the German
> documentation team got tired of waiting around for the English team to
> finish the Base Guide, so they took the draft chapters, translated them,
> finished the book, and published it as the Base-Handbuch. That document was
> then translated back into English as the Base Handbook.

Why the difference in name? Is the Handbook written in a different
style than our other guides?

> Contrary to what Tom D. indicated, the Handbook is /not/ shorter or less
> thorough than the Guide. Each is intended to be a complete and comprehensive
> user manual; the difference is that the Handbook is finished (although not
> up-to-date in English.) The current German version of the Handbook has 448
> pages in 11 chapters; the plan for the Guide includes 10 chapters, of which
> only 3 are complete.

Hmm... if they're roughly the same type of manual, then perhaps
name/content harmonization would help avoid confusion. (Apologies if
there's already been a conversation on this matter; please feel free
to point me at it)

>...Moreover, this needs to be done by someone who's
> running Base on Linux. For reasons I don't understand, screen captures don't
> always work correctly when done using Windows, and Windows is what I'm
> running.

IIRC, most projects take screenshots in GNU/Linux for
1) Consistency
2) Avoiding any question about including screenshots of a proprietary WM


Best,
--R


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LibreOffice Community Outreach Herald
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation volunteers

2014-09-09 Thread Alan Cook


Hello Tom T.,

Welcome to the team! I'm a volunteer (at the moment, the only one, it 
seems) working on updating the Base Handbook. I'd like to supplement the 
information that Tom D. has provided you with and let you know how you 
might start out getting involved with the project.


As Tom indicated, the Base Guide and the Base Handbook are two different 
documents, which is confusing. Base is the only LO product for which 
this is the case; for all the other products, the user manual is just 
called the Guide. However, there is not now, nor has there ever been, a 
complete Base Guide; all there is is the drafts of three chapters.


The reason that there's both a Guide and a Handbook is that the German 
documentation team got tired of waiting around for the English team to 
finish the Base Guide, so they took the draft chapters, translated them, 
finished the book, and published it as the Base-Handbuch. That document 
was then translated back into English as the Base Handbook.


Contrary to what Tom D. indicated, the Handbook is /not/ shorter or less 
thorough than the Guide. Each is intended to be a complete and 
comprehensive user manual; the difference is that the Handbook is 
finished (although not up-to-date in English.) The current German 
version of the Handbook has 448 pages in 11 chapters; the plan for the 
Guide includes 10 chapters, of which only 3 are complete.


The current English Handbook is for version 3.5 of the product. The most 
recent German Handbuch is for version 4.2. What I'm doing right now is 
updating the English Handbook from the more up-to-date German version. 
Someone else has done the translating; I'm basically just 
cutting-and-pasting (although I am finding that I have to do a fair 
amount of translating and editing work as I run across things that don't 
make sense.)


Here's one task we need done right away. The screen captures in the 
German manual are, as one would respect, from the German version of the 
app, and are in German. We need someone to work through the procedures 
described in the Handbook using the English version of the product and 
capture the needed screenshots in English. Moreover, this needs to be 
done by someone who's running Base on Linux. For reasons I don't 
understand, screen captures don't always work correctly when done using 
Windows, and Windows is what I'm running.


If this is something you'd be willing to do, respond to this e-mail and 
I'll send you more details on how to get started.


Best,
Alan C.
On 9/9/2014 6:21 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
I think the immediate one to work on is the Base Handbook rather than the
full guide.  I agree that reading the single chapter in the Getting Started
Guide might help prepare you for Base.
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications
The first book there has a chapter to introduce each of the
modules/programs/apps within LibreOffice.

The Base Handbook is much shorter than the full guide so it might not go
into as much depth as you'd like but it is good to get a broad overview
before getting tooo bogged down in too many of the intricacies.  Also it is
currently being updated quite significantly so it'd be great to do
proof-reading for the chapters as they get completed.  It is the Handbook
that is in most need of proof-reading at the moment.

If you manage to catch up with the translation-update then going on to the
full guide would help gain a much deeper understanding.  The full guide is
more of a longer-term project and is being written from scratch by Dan
Lewis.


Errr, this guide might help you work with the published guides;
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development

Hopefully someone might register you at ODFAuthors while you are reading
through that.
Many thanks and regards from
Tom :)


On 8 September 2014 15:41, Joel Madero  wrote:


Hey Tom,

Well there really is no "consideration" per say. If you want to help,
we'd love to have you assisting! That being said - I'm not terribly
familiar with "where to begin" in documentation. Perhaps someone else
could give the first steps and get you started.

Thanks for offering to volunteer.

Best,
Joel

On 09/07/2014 09:41 AM, Thomas Taylor wrote:

I would be interested in assisting with the documentation for base,

primarily

the proofreading.  I don't currently use base (or any database) and feel

that

this would help me to also understand the concepts and utilization of

this

portion of LibreOffice.

I use both Linux and Windows although primarily Linux.  I have been a

moderator

for the LO mail-list for about a year and wish to contribute more.  I am

a

retired engineering technician (electro-mechanical) and have been

involved in

producing user documentation and technical manuals for the medical and
automotive fields.

Thanks for your consideration,  Tom Taylor



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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation volunteers

2014-09-09 Thread Tom Davies

Hi :)
I think the immediate one to work on is the Base Handbook rather than the
full guide.  I agree that reading the single chapter in the Getting Started
Guide might help prepare you for Base.
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications
The first book there has a chapter to introduce each of the
modules/programs/apps within LibreOffice.

The Base Handbook is much shorter than the full guide so it might not go
into as much depth as you'd like but it is good to get a broad overview
before getting tooo bogged down in too many of the intricacies.  Also it is
currently being updated quite significantly so it'd be great to do
proof-reading for the chapters as they get completed.  It is the Handbook
that is in most need of proof-reading at the moment.

If you manage to catch up with the translation-update then going on to the
full guide would help gain a much deeper understanding.  The full guide is
more of a longer-term project and is being written from scratch by Dan
Lewis.

Errr, this guide might help you work with the published guides;
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development

Hopefully someone might register you at ODFAuthors while you are reading
through that.
Many thanks and regards from
Tom :)

On 8 September 2014 15:41, Joel Madero  wrote:

> Hey Tom,
>
> Well there really is no "consideration" per say. If you want to help,
> we'd love to have you assisting! That being said - I'm not terribly
> familiar with "where to begin" in documentation. Perhaps someone else
> could give the first steps and get you started.
>
> Thanks for offering to volunteer.
>
> Best,
> Joel
>
> On 09/07/2014 09:41 AM, Thomas Taylor wrote:
> > I would be interested in assisting with the documentation for base,
> primarily
> > the proofreading.  I don't currently use base (or any database) and feel
> that
> > this would help me to also understand the concepts and utilization of
> this
> > portion of LibreOffice.
> >
> > I use both Linux and Windows although primarily Linux.  I have been a
> moderator
> > for the LO mail-list for about a year and wish to contribute more.  I am
> a
> > retired engineering technician (electro-mechanical) and have been
> involved in
> > producing user documentation and technical manuals for the medical and
> > automotive fields.
> >
> > Thanks for your consideration,  Tom Taylor
> >
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation volunteers

2014-09-08 Thread Joel Madero

Hey Tom,

Well there really is no "consideration" per say. If you want to help,
we'd love to have you assisting! That being said - I'm not terribly
familiar with "where to begin" in documentation. Perhaps someone else
could give the first steps and get you started.

Thanks for offering to volunteer.

Best,
Joel

On 09/07/2014 09:41 AM, Thomas Taylor wrote:
> I would be interested in assisting with the documentation for base, primarily
> the proofreading.  I don't currently use base (or any database) and feel that
> this would help me to also understand the concepts and utilization of this
> portion of LibreOffice.
>
> I use both Linux and Windows although primarily Linux.  I have been a 
> moderator
> for the LO mail-list for about a year and wish to contribute more.  I am a
> retired engineering technician (electro-mechanical) and have been involved in
> producing user documentation and technical manuals for the medical and
> automotive fields.
>
> Thanks for your consideration,  Tom Taylor
>


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation volunteers

2014-09-08 Thread Dan Lewis


On 09/07/2014 12:41 PM, Thomas Taylor wrote:

I would be interested in assisting with the documentation for base, primarily
the proofreading.  I don't currently use base (or any database) and feel that
this would help me to also understand the concepts and utilization of this
portion of LibreOffice.

I use both Linux and Windows although primarily Linux.  I have been a moderator
for the LO mail-list for about a year and wish to contribute more.  I am a
retired engineering technician (electro-mechanical) and have been involved in
producing user documentation and technical manuals for the medical and
automotive fields.

Thanks for your consideration,  Tom Taylor

 Welcome to the document group! My first suggestion is to use the 
following link to download the Introducing Base chapter. In the Contents 
section, click on 1.8 LibreOffice Base Guide. Then you will find this 
chapter listed. (Download the 4.2 version.
 Proofread the chapter. Two things you need to do:  Edit > Changes 
> Record; and Edit > Changes > Show. The one records the changes, and 
the second one shows what you have changed. These place a line through 
what you want to change and also adds what you want to change it to.
 This is a good beginning point, and there will be more directions 
given when you have completed this.


https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications#LibreOffice_Base_Guide

Dan

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[libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation volunteers

2014-09-07 Thread Thomas Taylor

I would be interested in assisting with the documentation for base, primarily
the proofreading.  I don't currently use base (or any database) and feel that
this would help me to also understand the concepts and utilization of this
portion of LibreOffice.

I use both Linux and Windows although primarily Linux.  I have been a moderator
for the LO mail-list for about a year and wish to contribute more.  I am a
retired engineering technician (electro-mechanical) and have been involved in
producing user documentation and technical manuals for the medical and
automotive fields.

Thanks for your consideration,  Tom Taylor

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation

2013-08-16 Thread Jean Weber

Regarding the Base Guide

On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 11:30 PM, Jean Weber  wrote:
> On 16/08/2013, at 11:49, Mark LaPierre  wrote:
>>Thank you so much for holding my hand Y'all.  I found the location where the 
>>Base documents are kept.  Now, what do I do with the documents that are 
>>stored there?  Is there a team leader/contact person who knows what needs 
>>doing and where to get the information from?
>
> I am the docs team leader, but Dan Lewis has been doing most of the work on 
> the Base Guide, which is one of the docs on Base.
>
> I will write in detail tomorrow about what needs doing and where to find 
> files and other info. (I just got home from a month away and a 36-hour day of 
> travel, and I am going to fall asleep any minute.)
>
> Welcome to the team!
>
> -- Jean

Thanks to Robert for posting the links to info about the Base
Handbook. In this note I will talk about the Base Guide, which Dan
Lewis has been working on.

Dan's latest outline is here:
http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/base-guide/draft-v3.6/dan_base-guide-outline/view

AFAIK, the latest drafts are here:
http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/base-guide/draft-lo3.4

(Although there is a folder named draft-lo3.5, it contains files which
AFAIK have been superseded by those in the folder for v3.4. And the
"last modified" dates given on the website are often wrong, because
they were reset to the date when the website's software was updated:
Feb 26, 2013. A file with a later date is probably correct, but many
of those with Feb 26 dates are in fact much older.)

--Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation

2013-08-15 Thread Jean Weber

On 16/08/2013, at 11:49, Mark LaPierre  wrote:
>Thank you so much for holding my hand Y'all.  I found the location where the 
>Base documents are kept.  Now, what do I do with the documents that are stored 
>there?  Is there a team leader/contact person who knows what needs doing and 
>where to get the information from?

I am the docs team leader, but Dan Lewis has been doing most of the work on the 
Base Guide, which is one of the docs on Base. 

I will write in detail tomorrow about what needs doing and where to find files 
and other info. (I just got home from a month away and a 36-hour day of travel, 
and I am going to fall asleep any minute.) 

Welcome to the team!

-- Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation

2013-08-15 Thread Mark LaPierre


On 08/15/2013 09:35 PM, Jean Weber wrote:

On 16/08/2013, at 10:50, Mark LaPierre  wrote:


On 08/15/2013 02:18 AM, Sigrid Carrera wrote:

Hi Jean, Mark,

I just checked and Mark didn't have an ODFAuthors account. So I went
ahead and created one.
Mark, you should have received an email with a link to set your
password. Please log in and
change the password to something you can easily remember.

If you have any questions about how to work with ODFAuthors, please ask
on this list here, there
are always people able to help, even if the administrators aren't online
all the time. ;)

Welcome to the team!

Sigrid


Thank you Sigrid.  I followed the link and entered a password.  Now if I could just 
figure out how to, "Please choose the project you want to contribute to, and then 
choose your language."  I've looked at most of the links on the site, including the 
tabs, but all I find is a bunch of happy talk and comments like the one quoted above, but 
I don't see a way to chose anything except which printed book I want to buy.

I guess my question is, just how do I choose the project?  I already know that 
I want to work on Base documentation.


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The project is LibreOffice. (ODFAuthors is also available to Apache OpenOffice, 
although that project does not use our site at this time.) There should be a 
link on the left hand sidebar. Click that and some languages should appear in a 
submenu in that sidebar. Click English to display another submenu with the 
names of user guides.

--Jean



Thank you so much for holding my hand Y'all.  I found the location where 
the Base documents are kept.  Now, what do I do with the documents that 
are stored there?  Is there a team leader/contact person who knows what 
needs doing and where to get the information from?


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation

2013-08-15 Thread Jean Weber

On 16/08/2013, at 10:50, Mark LaPierre  wrote:

> On 08/15/2013 02:18 AM, Sigrid Carrera wrote:
>> Hi Jean, Mark,
>> 
>> I just checked and Mark didn't have an ODFAuthors account. So I went
>> ahead and created one.
>> Mark, you should have received an email with a link to set your
>> password. Please log in and
>> change the password to something you can easily remember.
>> 
>> If you have any questions about how to work with ODFAuthors, please ask
>> on this list here, there
>> are always people able to help, even if the administrators aren't online
>> all the time. ;)
>> 
>> Welcome to the team!
>> 
>> Sigrid
> 
> Thank you Sigrid.  I followed the link and entered a password.  Now if I 
> could just figure out how to, "Please choose the project you want to 
> contribute to, and then choose your language."  I've looked at most of the 
> links on the site, including the tabs, but all I find is a bunch of happy 
> talk and comments like the one quoted above, but I don't see a way to chose 
> anything except which printed book I want to buy.
> 
> I guess my question is, just how do I choose the project?  I already know 
> that I want to work on Base documentation.
> 
> 
> -- 
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>  /(_)\
>   ^ ^  Mark LaPierre
> Registered Linux user No #267004
> https://linuxcounter.net/
> 


The project is LibreOffice. (ODFAuthors is also available to Apache OpenOffice, 
although that project does not use our site at this time.) There should be a 
link on the left hand sidebar. Click that and some languages should appear in a 
submenu in that sidebar. Click English to display another submenu with the 
names of user guides.

--Jean
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation

2013-08-15 Thread Jean Weber

In addition to the Base Guide Tim linked to, there is also the Base Handbook, 
which is translated from German. We're just getting ready to start on the v4.1 
version of that book. Some correspondence on this is in the recent archives of 
this list. When I get access to a computer I can look it up for you.

--Jean

On 16/08/2013, at 11:04, "Tim Lloyd"  wrote:

> Hi Mark,
> Here is a link to the base section:
> 
> http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/base-guide
> 
> apologies if you already have a link. I haven't been following this thread 
> too closely. I am assuming English?
> 
> Typically we save the doc we are going to modify. Make changes and then 
> upload to feedback.
> 
> Have Fun
> 
> Cheers
> - Original Message -
> From: Mark LaPierre
> Sent: 08/16/13 10:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation
> 
> On 08/15/2013 02:18 AM, Sigrid Carrera wrote: > Hi Jean, Mark, > > I just 
> checked and Mark didn't have an ODFAuthors account. So I went > ahead and 
> created one. > Mark, you should have received an email with a link to set 
> your > password. Please log in and > change the password to something you can 
> easily remember. > > If you have any questions about how to work with 
> ODFAuthors, please ask > on this list here, there > are always people able to 
> help, even if the administrators aren't online > all the time. ;) > > Welcome 
> to the team! > > Sigrid > Thank you Sigrid. I followed the link and entered a 
> password. Now if I could just figure out how to, "Please choose the project 
> you want to contribute to, and then choose your language." I've looked at 
> most of the links on the site, including the tabs, but all I find is a bunch 
> of happy talk and comments like the one quoted above, but I don't see a way 
> to chose anything except which printed book I want to buy. I guess my 
> question is, just how do I choose the project? I already know that I want to 
> work on Base documentation. -- _ °v° /(_)\ ^ ^ Mark LaPierre Registered Linux 
> user No #267004 https://linuxcounter.net/  

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation

2013-08-15 Thread Tim Lloyd

Hi Mark,
Here is a link to the base section:

http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/base-guide

apologies if you already have a link. I haven't been following this thread too 
closely. I am assuming English?

Typically we save the doc we are going to modify. Make changes and then upload 
to feedback.

Have Fun

Cheers
- Original Message -
From: Mark LaPierre
Sent: 08/16/13 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation

On 08/15/2013 02:18 AM, Sigrid Carrera wrote: > Hi Jean, Mark, > > I just 
checked and Mark didn't have an ODFAuthors account. So I went > ahead and 
created one. > Mark, you should have received an email with a link to set your 
> password. Please log in and > change the password to something you can easily 
remember. > > If you have any questions about how to work with ODFAuthors, 
please ask > on this list here, there > are always people able to help, even if 
the administrators aren't online > all the time. ;) > > Welcome to the team! > 
> Sigrid > Thank you Sigrid. I followed the link and entered a password. Now if 
I could just figure out how to, "Please choose the project you want to 
contribute to, and then choose your language." I've looked at most of the links 
on the site, including the tabs, but all I find is a bunch of happy talk and 
comments like the one quoted above, but I don't see a way to chose anything 
except which printed book I want to buy. I guess my question is, just how do I 
choose the project? I already know that I want to work on Base documentation. 
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation

2013-08-15 Thread Mark LaPierre


On 08/15/2013 02:18 AM, Sigrid Carrera wrote:

Hi Jean, Mark,

I just checked and Mark didn't have an ODFAuthors account. So I went
ahead and created one.
Mark, you should have received an email with a link to set your
password. Please log in and
change the password to something you can easily remember.

If you have any questions about how to work with ODFAuthors, please ask
on this list here, there
are always people able to help, even if the administrators aren't online
all the time. ;)

Welcome to the team!

Sigrid



Thank you Sigrid.  I followed the link and entered a password.  Now if I 
could just figure out how to, "Please choose the project you want to 
contribute to, and then choose your language."  I've looked at most of 
the links on the site, including the tabs, but all I find is a bunch of 
happy talk and comments like the one quoted above, but I don't see a way 
to chose anything except which printed book I want to buy.


I guess my question is, just how do I choose the project?  I already 
know that I want to work on Base documentation.



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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation

2013-08-14 Thread Sigrid Carrera

Hi Jean, Mark,

I just checked and Mark didn't have an ODFAuthors account. So I went ahead
and created one.
Mark, you should have received an email with a link to set your password.
Please log in and
change the password to something you can easily remember.

If you have any questions about how to work with ODFAuthors, please ask on
this list here, there
are always people able to help, even if the administrators aren't online
all the time. ;)

Welcome to the team!

Sigrid

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[libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation

2013-08-14 Thread Jean Weber

I'm travelling and will be offline for about 24 hours, nor can I check right 
now to see if you have an  ODFAuthors account. When I get home I should stay 
there for a few months (unusual for me), so I may be have time for some 
hand-holding.

Let's start by finding out what you might like to do, and what if any 
experience you have with producing user docs, whether book length or shorter 
(how-tos, tutorials, examples, FAQs, tips & hints). Do you prefer to work in 
ODT format or wiki format or what? So far most of our user docs are in ODT/PDF 
but there is no reason why everything needs to be in that form.

Give me some feedback on those topics and we'll take it from there. 

--Jean

On 14/08/2013, at 20:00, Mark LaPierre  wrote:

> Personally, I love this string.  I tried to sign up to help with the 
> documentation for Base since that is where my interest lies.  I got as far as 
> joining this mail list.  My experience is more in line with Tom's 
> description.  I would really appreciate someone volunteering to "hold my 
> hand" as I take a second shot at joining the documentation team.  Anyone want 
> to step up??? ;-)
> 
>_
>   °v°
>  /(_)\
>   ^ ^  Mark LaPierre
> Registered Linux user No #267004
> https://linuxcounter.net/
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[libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation

2012-01-31 Thread Tom Davies

Hi :)
Drew from TDF recently pointed out your Base tutorial 
http://www.fhi.rcsed.ac.uk/rbeaumont/virtualclassroom/chap8/libreoffice_base.html

I was wondering if you would like to add a link to it from the TDF 
documentation wiki
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications#LibreOffice_Base_Guide

Regards from
Tom :)

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Documentation

2011-05-23 Thread planas

Alex

On Mon, 2011-05-23 at 10:49 +0200, Alexander Thurgood wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Just a heads up to those working on Base Documentation that there are a
> number of known bugs related to database usage and LibreOffice :
> 
> 
> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=libreoffice+database
> 
> 
> For many of these, little, or no, work is being done to correct them. If
> fixes continue to be made by the OOo Base team (which remains in doubt
> given the lack of any visible activity since mid-April), then they will
> probably make it at some stage into the LibO code source repository.
> 
> 
> Alex
> 
> 

Thanks, I am trying to get the Base Manuals converted.
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Documentation

2011-05-23 Thread Rogerio Luz Coelho

If not Base will be abandoned is that it?

Is the actual state of this comonent usable at all?

Rogerio
On May 23, 2011 5:50 AM, "Alexander Thurgood" 
wrote:

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[libreoffice-documentation] Base Documentation

2011-05-23 Thread Alexander Thurgood

Hi all,

Just a heads up to those working on Base Documentation that there are a
number of known bugs related to database usage and LibreOffice :


https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=libreoffice+database


For many of these, little, or no, work is being done to correct them. If
fixes continue to be made by the OOo Base team (which remains in doubt
given the lack of any visible activity since mid-April), then they will
probably make it at some stage into the LibO code source repository.


Alex


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation

2011-02-06 Thread Jean-Francois Nifenecker



Le 06/02/2011 16:40, David Nelson a écrit :


Sure, whatever. Anyway, the offer remains open if you change your mind. ;-)


Thanks Dave. Note is well taken, would the job be out of my reach :)

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation

2011-02-06 Thread David Nelson

Hi, :-)

On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 23:34, Jean-Francois Nifenecker
 wrote:
> I'm just wondering about the best option. I'd probably write something in
> *my* English  that could be reviewed and reworded by natives. Then this
> could be translated back into French or any other language if it is found to
> fit the bill.

Sure, whatever. Anyway, the offer remains open if you change your mind. ;-)

David Nelson

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation

2011-02-06 Thread Jean-Francois Nifenecker



Hi Dave,

Le 06/02/2011 15:26, David Nelson a écrit :


If you want to write in French, I will do the translation if you like.


Thanks for your kind offer.

I'm just wondering about the best option. I'd probably write something 
in *my* English  that could be reviewed and reworded by natives. Then 
this could be translated back into French or any other language if it is 
found to fit the bill.


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation

2011-02-06 Thread David Nelson

Hi, :-)

On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 22:15, Jean-Francois Nifenecker
 wrote:
> Anyway, I'll do my best and provide something in my English asap :) so that
> the folks lurking here may review, correct and rephrase.

If you want to write in French, I will do the translation if you like.

David Nelson

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation

2011-02-06 Thread Jean-Francois Nifenecker



Hi Barb and Rogerio,

Le 06/02/2011 13:25, Rogerio Luz Coelho a écrit :



I really like your outline, and I'd say your English is *more* than
adequate to get the points across. I'd be glad to edit for smoothing it out
if that's needed.


Exactly the same here ... go for it Jean ... if you are willing do please
try to write it in english, we can give it a uplift if  you can send our way
even a bad translation (because I will put your french version through a
Google-Translate if you don't have the time ... and take it from there)
besides you underestimate your english, it is quite good for tech writing.


Thanks to both for your kind words. Writing on a message board is a 
thing, writing a comprehensive document is really a whole other matter.


Anyway, I'll do my best and provide something in my English asap :) so 
that the folks lurking here may review, correct and rephrase.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation

2011-02-06 Thread Rogerio Luz Coelho

2011/2/5 Barbara Duprey 

> On 2/5/2011 9:49 AM, Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Sophie!
>>
>> Le 05/02/2011 16:29, Sophie Gautier a écrit :
>>
>>>
>>> May be you can work with Alex, he said on the FR list that he is going
>>> to improve the Base documentation once he has finished to translate the
>>> Guide for beginners? However I don't know in which language he will work
>>> :)
>>>
>>
>> Yes, I've read Alex' announcement but, as I'm not so sure we are working
>> on the same things, didn't raise my hand (yet). I'm mainly focusing on
>> writing a beginners' guide from scratch and, from what I had understood,
>> Alex's translating an existing document (Mariano Casanova's mid level doc).
>>
>> Just correct me if I'm wrong.
>>
>> My beginners' guide idea was born from a few in-house requests that no-one
>> could fulfill. As I already stated, I've already a few pages written on this
>> and I'm working on a few more to come (see the outline in a former msg in
>> this thread).
>>
>> Of course, sharing the free software ideas as you may know ;)  I'm willing
>> to cooperate into any collective work in this matter.
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>
> I really like your outline, and I'd say your English is *more* than
> adequate to get the points across. I'd be glad to edit for smoothing it out
> if that's needed.
>
>
Exactly the same here ... go for it Jean ... if you are willing do please
try to write it in english, we can give it a uplift if  you can send our way
even a bad translation (because I will put your french version through a
Google-Translate if you don't have the time ... and take it from there)
besides you underestimate your english, it is quite good for tech writing.

Rogerio

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation

2011-02-05 Thread Barbara Duprey


On 2/5/2011 9:49 AM, Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote:


Hi Sophie!

Le 05/02/2011 16:29, Sophie Gautier a écrit :


May be you can work with Alex, he said on the FR list that he is going
to improve the Base documentation once he has finished to translate the
Guide for beginners? However I don't know in which language he will work :)


Yes, I've read Alex' announcement but, as I'm not so sure we are working on the same things, 
didn't raise my hand (yet). I'm mainly focusing on writing a beginners' guide from scratch and, 
from what I had understood, Alex's translating an existing document (Mariano Casanova's mid level 
doc).


Just correct me if I'm wrong.

My beginners' guide idea was born from a few in-house requests that no-one could fulfill. As I 
already stated, I've already a few pages written on this and I'm working on a few more to come 
(see the outline in a former msg in this thread).


Of course, sharing the free software ideas as you may know ;)  I'm willing to cooperate into any 
collective work in this matter.


All the best,


I really like your outline, and I'd say your English is *more* than adequate to get the points 
across. I'd be glad to edit for smoothing it out if that's needed.


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation

2011-02-05 Thread Jean-Francois Nifenecker



Hi Sophie!

Le 05/02/2011 16:29, Sophie Gautier a écrit :


May be you can work with Alex, he said on the FR list that he is going
to improve the Base documentation once he has finished to translate the
Guide for beginners? However I don't know in which language he will work :)


Yes, I've read Alex' announcement but, as I'm not so sure we are working 
on the same things, didn't raise my hand (yet). I'm mainly focusing on 
writing a beginners' guide from scratch and, from what I had understood, 
Alex's translating an existing document (Mariano Casanova's mid level doc).


Just correct me if I'm wrong.

My beginners' guide idea was born from a few in-house requests that 
no-one could fulfill. As I already stated, I've already a few pages 
written on this and I'm working on a few more to come (see the outline 
in a former msg in this thread).


Of course, sharing the free software ideas as you may know ;)  I'm 
willing to cooperate into any collective work in this matter.


All the best,
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation

2011-02-05 Thread Sophie Gautier


Hi Jean-François,
On 05/02/2011 18:22, Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote:


Hi Rogerio,

thanks for your interest.

Le 05/02/2011 15:48, Rogerio Luz Coelho a écrit :


Jean I think if you manage to do something like this it would be
grand, and
I surely would translate it to Portuguese if you manage a English
version :)


This is currently on my plate... The very beginning (part 1 to the Calc
and text import thingy) is already written (in French :( but needs some
rethinking and/or rewording.

As for an English version... well, as you might guess English is not my
mother language which means I can write some sentences but the wording
won't be on par with what a true native would express. All this to say
there's a lot to be done.

Also, I'm ok to share what I've got so far (in French!) and go on with
anyone interested.


May be you can work with Alex, he said on the FR list that he is going 
to improve the Base documentation once he has finished to translate the 
Guide for beginners? However I don't know in which language he will work :)


Kind regards
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation

2011-02-05 Thread Jean-Francois Nifenecker



Hi Rogerio,

thanks for your interest.

Le 05/02/2011 15:48, Rogerio Luz Coelho a écrit :


Jean I think if you manage to do something like this it would be grand, and
I surely would translate it to Portuguese if you manage a English version :)


This is currently on my plate... The very beginning (part 1 to the Calc 
and text import thingy) is already written (in French :( but needs some 
rethinking and/or rewording.


As for an English version... well, as you might guess English is not my 
mother language which means I can write some sentences but the wording 
won't be on par with what a true native would express. All this to say 
there's a lot to be done.


Also, I'm ok to share what I've got so far (in French!) and go on with 
anyone interested.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation

2011-02-05 Thread Rogerio Luz Coelho

2011/1/27 Jean-Francois Nifenecker 

>
> Le 27/01/2011 00:37, Andy Brown a écrit :
>
>
>> The Mid Level Base tutorial [1] is a very good "beginners" document as
>> well. It contains three parts, the first two cover what a database is
>> and how to design it. The third covers Base using SQL command to build a
>> database.
>>
>
> I find this to be a *very* good tutorial. A little too deep for a general
> intro but could be an excellent start to make one (by pruning and
> grafting... well, more pruning than grafting).
>
> As of a Base tutorial for beginners, here's the outline I'm thinking of:
>
> Part 1
> -- What a RDBMS is (principles, tables, relations, queries)
> -- How to devise a database
> -- Introduction to Base
> -- Creating a DB with Base
> -- Importing data from Calc and delimited text files
> -- Querying a DB in interactive mode (not so sure about the English wording
> here as I've got the French version installed)
> -- Using a DB for mailmerge
>
> Part 2
> -- Introduction to SQL
> -- Querying a DB using SQL
> -- Useful tools (Sun/Oracle Report Builder, MySQLworkbench)
> -- Reporting with S/ORB
> -- Using Base as a front-end for MySQL (MySQLconnector extension) and
> PostgreSQL (SDBC)
>
> This contents is what I currently intend to stuff into a series of in-house
> training I'm planning. I reckon this outline to be quite progressive and,
> from my experience, seems to be what newcomers want.
>
>
> HTH,
> --
> Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux


Jean I think if you manage to do something like this it would be grand, and
I surely would translate it to Portuguese if you manage a English version :)


Rogerio

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation

2011-01-27 Thread Jean-Francois Nifenecker



Le 27/01/2011 00:37, Andy Brown a écrit :


The Mid Level Base tutorial [1] is a very good "beginners" document as
well. It contains three parts, the first two cover what a database is
and how to design it. The third covers Base using SQL command to build a
database.


I find this to be a *very* good tutorial. A little too deep for a 
general intro but could be an excellent start to make one (by pruning 
and grafting... well, more pruning than grafting).


As of a Base tutorial for beginners, here's the outline I'm thinking of:

Part 1
-- What a RDBMS is (principles, tables, relations, queries)
-- How to devise a database
-- Introduction to Base
-- Creating a DB with Base
-- Importing data from Calc and delimited text files
-- Querying a DB in interactive mode (not so sure about the English 
wording here as I've got the French version installed)

-- Using a DB for mailmerge

Part 2
-- Introduction to SQL
-- Querying a DB using SQL
-- Useful tools (Sun/Oracle Report Builder, MySQLworkbench)
-- Reporting with S/ORB
-- Using Base as a front-end for MySQL (MySQLconnector extension) and 
PostgreSQL (SDBC)


This contents is what I currently intend to stuff into a series of 
in-house training I'm planning. I reckon this outline to be quite 
progressive and, from my experience, seems to be what newcomers want.



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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation

2011-01-26 Thread Tom Davies

A 4th training site, again only for OpenOffice

http://inpics.net/

Regards from Tom :)





From: Barbara Duprey 
To: documentation@libreoffice.org
Sent: Wed, 26 January, 2011 22:40:43
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation

On 1/26/2011 3:43 PM, Hal Parker wrote:
> I've started a new thread for this, in response to Alex Thurgood's comments
> on Base docs.
>
> My opinion FWIW is that Base related stuff is desperately needed, including
> a full Base Guide. We've been rebranding the OOo user guides as an initial
> set for LibreOffice, but the Base Guide has never been written. Three draft
> chapters (badly in need of editing) exist, but that's all. One could build
> on that, and the Base Gyude outline, or start from scratch. Of course, other
> Base-related materials would be useful, too. IMO the "Getting Started with
> Base" chapter is quite good, so we wouldn't want to duplicate that.
>
> I personally don't have much database experience beyond the trivial, but I'm
> good at testing, critiquing, and editing, revising... if only we can find
> some database people to write an initial draft!
>
> I appreciate that developing the Base portion of the website should probably
> take priority over the much longer, more ambitious work needed on a Base
> Guide.
>
> Hal

I haven't looked for any Base tutorials, but if any exist that would be useful 
info. And there are 

certainly lots of other tutorials, it would be good to start some exploration 
about rebranding 

those, too.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation

2011-01-26 Thread Tom Davies

Hi :)

There are these 3 but they only mention/advertise/promote OpenOffice

[1] - http://documentation.openoffice.org/tutorials/index.html
[2] - http://www.tutorialsforopenoffice.org/
[3] - http://www.learnopenoffice.org/

Regards from 
Tom :)






From: Barbara Duprey 
To: documentation@libreoffice.org
Sent: Wed, 26 January, 2011 22:40:43
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation

On 1/26/2011 3:43 PM, Hal Parker wrote:
> I've started a new thread for this, in response to Alex Thurgood's comments
> on Base docs.
>
> My opinion FWIW is that Base related stuff is desperately needed, including
> a full Base Guide. We've been rebranding the OOo user guides as an initial
> set for LibreOffice, but the Base Guide has never been written. Three draft
> chapters (badly in need of editing) exist, but that's all. One could build
> on that, and the Base Gyude outline, or start from scratch. Of course, other
> Base-related materials would be useful, too. IMO the "Getting Started with
> Base" chapter is quite good, so we wouldn't want to duplicate that.
>
> I personally don't have much database experience beyond the trivial, but I'm
> good at testing, critiquing, and editing, revising... if only we can find
> some database people to write an initial draft!
>
> I appreciate that developing the Base portion of the website should probably
> take priority over the much longer, more ambitious work needed on a Base
> Guide.
>
> Hal

I haven't looked for any Base tutorials, but if any exist that would be useful 
info. And there are 

certainly lots of other tutorials, it would be good to start some exploration 
about rebranding 

those, too.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation

2011-01-26 Thread Andy Brown


On Wed Jan 26 2011 14:34:10 GMT-0800 (PST)  Nino Novak wrote:

Hi,


Another idea might be to add some background chapters about database 
theory, but there are plenty of them around so this does not really 
seem necessary. 

Of course, only if you want to take this little tutorial as starting 
point - it's just a suggestion.


Nino
[1] http://www.oooauthors.org/deutsch/base
[2] http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=28136



The Mid Level Base tutorial [1] is a very good "beginners" document as 
well.  It contains three parts, the first two cover what a database is 
and how to design it.  The third covers Base using SQL command to build 
a database.


[1] 
http://documentation.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectDocumentList?folderID=778&expandFolder=778&folderID=778


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation

2011-01-26 Thread Rogerio Luz Coelho

I second the BASE - TUTORIAL

If the existing documentation is THAT scarse (bad?) the Tutorial is
something a experienced Base user could cover quickly and would be the
starting point of the future GUIDE.

But alas, count me out of this enterprise, I don't even know how to start
the Base program, so ... my opinion should be taken from this rather
(ignorant) perspective.

Of course I could step in if someone needs a a proof reader or/and a mouse
rat for this thing ;)

Rogerio

2011/1/26 Barbara Duprey 

> On 1/26/2011 3:43 PM, Hal Parker wrote:
>
>> I've started a new thread for this, in response to Alex Thurgood's
>> comments
>> on Base docs.
>>
>

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation

2011-01-26 Thread Barbara Duprey


On 1/26/2011 3:43 PM, Hal Parker wrote:

I've started a new thread for this, in response to Alex Thurgood's comments
on Base docs.

My opinion FWIW is that Base related stuff is desperately needed, including
a full Base Guide. We've been rebranding the OOo user guides as an initial
set for LibreOffice, but the Base Guide has never been written. Three draft
chapters (badly in need of editing) exist, but that's all. One could build
on that, and the Base Gyude outline, or start from scratch. Of course, other
Base-related materials would be useful, too. IMO the "Getting Started with
Base" chapter is quite good, so we wouldn't want to duplicate that.

I personally don't have much database experience beyond the trivial, but I'm
good at testing, critiquing, and editing, revising... if only we can find
some database people to write an initial draft!

I appreciate that developing the Base portion of the website should probably
take priority over the much longer, more ambitious work needed on a Base
Guide.

Hal


I haven't looked for any Base tutorials, but if any exist that would be useful info. And there are 
certainly lots of other tutorials, it would be good to start some exploration about rebranding 
those, too.


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation

2011-01-26 Thread Nino Novak

Hi,

On Wednesday 26 January 2011 22:43, Hal Parker wrote:

> I personally don't have much database experience beyond the trivial,
> but I'm good at testing, critiquing, and editing, revising... if only
> we can find some database people to write an initial draft!

For me personally, the best Base introduction was a little tutorial 
called base_entwurf_einer_datenbank.odt[1] (translated back to English 
it might read "Base - creating a sample database"). It claims to be a 
German "polished" translation of issue 28136 [2].

As my impression of the doc team here around is rather good ;) I just 
want to suggest you to think also of a tutorial-like Guide. Lerning by 
doing is Not Bad(TM). 

Of course, the tutorial only covers a very little section of the Base 
functionality but it enables the reader to work with Base better than 
any other doc I found. 

So the first idea could be to extend this tutorial (e.g. how n:m 
relations are handled in queries, forms and reports). 

Another idea might be to add some background chapters about database 
theory, but there are plenty of them around so this does not really 
seem necessary. 

Of course, only if you want to take this little tutorial as starting 
point - it's just a suggestion.

Nino
[1] http://www.oooauthors.org/deutsch/base
[2] http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=28136

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[libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation

2011-01-26 Thread Hal Parker

I've started a new thread for this, in response to Alex Thurgood's comments
on Base docs.

My opinion FWIW is that Base related stuff is desperately needed, including
a full Base Guide. We've been rebranding the OOo user guides as an initial
set for LibreOffice, but the Base Guide has never been written. Three draft
chapters (badly in need of editing) exist, but that's all. One could build
on that, and the Base Gyude outline, or start from scratch. Of course, other
Base-related materials would be useful, too. IMO the "Getting Started with
Base" chapter is quite good, so we wouldn't want to duplicate that.

I personally don't have much database experience beyond the trivial, but I'm
good at testing, critiquing, and editing, revising... if only we can find
some database people to write an initial draft!

I appreciate that developing the Base portion of the website should probably
take priority over the much longer, more ambitious work needed on a Base
Guide.

Hal

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