Re: [Elecraft] JT65 requirements, and a possible external reference-locking option for the KX3
Yes, that would be of interest Wayne. Have not yet tried JT65 with my KX3 but good chance I will be using it with external transverters for 23cm. thanks and 73, tom n4zpt On 7/16/2012 10:25 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: Hi Lance, The K3's oscillator subsystem is a factor of about 10 more expensive to manufacture than the one in the KX3. It also takes up about 100 times more space, which is the real problem. But back to JT65. If it turns out the KX3's temperature compensation can't provide the stability you'd like, we could design an external 10- MHz locking module for it. This module would be called a KX3EXREF -- the equivalent of the K3EXREF, which does the same job for the K3. The only drawback to such a module is that it would have to be installed in place of the planned 2-meter module. It would use the SMA connector as the 10-MHz input. Would this be of interest? 73, Wayne N6KR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] JT65 requirements, and a possible external reference-locking option for the KX3
I also have a K3 so I either put in the KX3 internal 2m transverter or the external ref board and am happy. I would have been happy with external batteries and a thinner KX3 but then perhaps no room for some of the modules. 73, tom n4zpt On 7/17/2012 8:17 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: (c) curses me for making the KX3 too small :) __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Interpretation of P3 display
Hi Harold, On 6/8/2012 2:45 PM, Harold V wrote: I have a question for the group regarding interpretation of the P3 display of SSB signals. Primarily I use it to spot stations on quiet bands or spot openings on busy bands. But I am trying to gain a better understanding of what it is showing me regarding the quality of signals as well. I have my P3 set up to show the band width as a column and the span set to +/- 25. I have noticed that most SSB signals will remain within the bounds of the column. However, some SSB signals will exceed the width of the column and will resemble a pyramid, occupying several kilohertz above and below the column on voice peaks. The proximity of the station does not appear to matter as these observations apply to distant stations as well as local stations. Is this what is known as splatter? Is the station overdriving their transmitter or linear? Is their ALC or compression too high? Is the frequency response of their microphone too wide? Send a captured snapshot using the P3 utility. On the water fall I see stations there their signal goes well past other signals. Yes, I see similar and I would call it splatter. Especially when it is clear other stations are not doing this. Over driving something past their SSB filters. On a local net where the are mixtures of vintage and modern the vintage ones ( on this net) tend to be much broader and for sure they are not over driving. 73, tom n4zpt __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] P2 Span Question
Hi Lee, I tend to keep it 20KHz or less to watch nets and be able analyze signals. Or a little broader if I am watching a pile up. 73, tom n4zpt On 5/31/2012 10:36 PM, Lee Buller wrote: I have been playing with my new P3 and wonder how others use the span feature on different modes. I have been using a span of: CW - 10 to 15 SSB - 50 to 60 RTTY - 40- 50 What do others use for span? Lee - K0WA In our day and age it seems that Common Sense is in short supply. If you don't have any Common Sense - get some Common Sense and use it. If you can't find any Common Sense, ask for help from somebody who has some Common Sense. Is Common Sense divine? Common Sense is the image of the Creator expressing revealed truth in my mind. - John W. (Kansas) Never interfere with anything that isn't bothering you. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] thunderstorm early warning.. was: Living with EMP
Hi Drew, I have been running a Boltek long range lightning detector that is part of a network of detectors for tracking storms. Gives me range and bearing on strikes. I can watch an electrical storm coming from further than I can hear the thunder. Boltek also has a electric field detector used by stadiums and other public out door events to warn of likely lightning strikes that has high short range accuracy. The one I have is accurate at long ranges. http://boltek.com/stormtracker.html http://boltek.com/ProductComparison.html http://www.strikestarus.com/index.aspx?id=10 If you do web searches on lightning detection you can find simple sensor designs. this is another area where the complexity is in the software and the receiver not the sensor. 73, tom n4zpt P.S. use of term EMP is odd in this discussion as EMP as an acronym I have always associated only with nuclear weapons effects. On 5/26/2012 7:16 AM, drewko wrote: Does anyone here have experience with lightning detectors? I thought it might be handy to have one of these in the shack. From what I've seen some are quite fancy, meant for hikers and boaters and such. But I'm thinking that something simpler (i.e., cheaper) might be useful around the shack. Would these be any better than just listening for lightning crashes on the AM broadcast band? (As for EMP... yeah, I expect you won't need a detector for that. Everyone will know about it at pretty much the same time...) 73, Drew AF2Z On Fri, 25 May 2012 20:21:45 +, Nikolay (LZ1NRD) wrote: Gents, I think it's ESD, not EMP. When the latter occurs, people have more troubles than usually... Regards, Nikolay (LZ1NRD) __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] KX3: Source for quality 3.5mm 4 conductor-TRRS Plug
Have you tested it yet? All the ones I tried had the sleeve connected to one of the RCA plug center pin and only one of the rings connected. 73, tom n4zpt On 5/23/2012 10:48 PM, ~BG~ wrote: I've purchased various TRRS plugs from Markertek in the past. As far as I can tell, they've had the widest variety (had to replace the plug for my Etymotics IEMs, and they had the only one that was small enough and looked comparable to the one my IEMs came with) http://audio-video-supply.markertek.com/search?w=TRRSIMAGE.x=0IMAGE.y=0IMAGE=search ./ben W6MCM On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Lance Collister, W7GJw...@q.com wrote: I ordered my KX3 plugs from DigiKey and the were here VERY fast! I am waiting for the arrival of my KX3 before I actually make the cables, though. I will have to experiment a bit to see what I need to do to run digital modes with the KX3...I am hoping I might be able to get by just attenuating the LINE OUT from the computer but I don't know if that will give me enough isolation to the KX3 MIC IN or not. I am very spoiled by the built-in interface of my K3. GL and VY 73, Lance On 5/23/2012 8:04 PM, Robbins, James wrote: Has anyone located a source for a quality 3.5mm 4 conductor (TRRS) plug which will work in the Mic/PTT jack of the KX3? I located one by Calrad, but it appears not to be very sturdy despite being made of metal (the plug part came apart from the head-appearing to be pressure fit only). Thanks. 73, Jim Robbins, N1JR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] KX3: Source for quality 3.5mm 4 conductor-TRRS Plug
my local Radio Shacks had the 2.5mm right angle stereo plugs but no others. Guess can check them on-line. 73, tom n4zpt On 5/24/2012 10:06 AM, W0FK wrote: I asked Eric this question when I was at Dayton. He recommended Radio Shack as a source for the plugs. Lou, W0FK Robbins, James wrote Has anyone located a source for a quality 3.5mm 4 conductor (TRRS) plug which will work in the Mic/PTT jack of the KX3? I located one by Calrad, but it appears not to be very sturdy despite being made of metal (the plug part came apart from the head-appearing to be pressure fit only). Thanks. 73, Jim Robbins, N1JR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@.qth This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html - St. Louis, MO K3 #2513, P3 #620, KX3 #0036 -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KX3-Source-for-quality-3-5mm-4-conductor-TRRS-Plug-tp7556450p7556504.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] cables for digital/dayton
Nope is my answer. I got several of those iPhone and video cables from different vendors and they are all whacky. so I am guessing that all the video/audio cables with the TRRS connector are wired the same way. Could not find a single cable with sleeve as ground for the three cables that connect to tip and the two rings. I have yet to find what I think is a nice right angle 3.5 mm TRRS plug. did get several with a clip on plastic cover that will not stay straight. Also on my SignaLink I put in a small DPDT switch that I used to turn on or off the PTT ( and for switching between 1200 and 9600 bps packet lines) so just put that in the PTT circuit and turned it off. On my simply interface I just did not connect the two PTT lines and use the USB to KX3 cable to control the KX3 via CAT. 73, tom n4zpt On 5/23/2012 6:39 AM, Robert Galambos wrote: Bob This is forwarded to the list as it was only sent to me, and I do not have an answer. Maybe someone else does on the list Sent from my iPad On 2012-05-22, at 23:52, Bobwb4...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone found a 3.5mm 4-conductor cable with shield in what I would call a traditional location -- the Sleve? It seems like the iPhone and Video cables put the shield on Ring 2. I have some bare connectors, but figured it would be easier to cut an existing cable apart and solder/heat shrink that to the SignaLink cable, than try and solder the connector on. Tigertronics had first article cables for the KX3, but they were not right-angle, so they have redone them and say they will be out later this summer. It is suggested that a 47uF 16V cap be put in series with the mic line to block the DC bias from the KX3 (in case you forget to turn it off -- which I am likly to do). Put the + end toward the KX3 line and the - end toward the SignaLink. Until then I've got the smallest tip I could find for my Weller iron lots of tiny heat-shrink and four connectors -- hopefully one of them will make it 'alive' __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] cables for digital/dayton
Hi Bob, One of the Elecraft guys said they did plan to provide some sort of jumper cables. Maybe even they could provide right angle connectors of the various types used on the KX3. I just decided to not way. and yes, I got the same kind Mouser sells. 73, tom n4zpt On 5/23/2012 3:10 PM, Bob wrote: Thanks Tom, On my simply interface I just did not connect the two PTT lines and use the USB to KX3 cable to control the KX3 via CAT. That sounds like good advice and therefore I will leave it disconnected as well, as I certainly will be using the CAT cable at the same time anyway. Yeah, the right-angle connectors I purchased from Mouser have plastic covers that snap in place, that the moment a wire is installed through the cover, it cover unsnaps. That is the biggest advantage to buying a pre-made cable -- they are insert molded and strain-reliefed. I know that Elecraft has their hands full, but providing right-angle adapter cables, and perhaps prewired molded connectors with short unterminated cables for the Mic might be a reasonable thing to offer as an optional purchased Connector Kit. As you said, none of the TRRS cables I have found have the shield tied to the shell, and the quality of the blank connectors is dubious at best. Thanks for the good suggestion. 73, Bob, WB4SON __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] cables for digital/dayton
I just use an unterminated SignaLink cable ( half an Ethernet jumper) and put on the right connectors that I purchased on-line. I also used an iMic with a couple jumper cables of the right terminations but got funny noise so that is what led me to the SignaLink since I had one. Got the isolation I needed and works fine. 73 I did not connect the PTT inside the SignaLink, or rather I have a added in switch to connect or disconnect that line. I use the USB to KX3 control cable with flrig to control the KX3 using the K3 setting. 73, tom n4zpt On 5/22/2012 9:44 PM, Robert Galambos wrote: so just came back from Dayton and found out a couple of things. 1) neither west mountain nor signallink external sound cards have cables for the new KX3 2) so given that i will try to set up the radio with using the internal IMAC stereo line in for digital But the manual is light on the set up. I assume that the output of the radio (read phone jack) goes into the in line of the mac? but i figure there is another cable needed to transmit the digital, i hope to create/write. so where does that cable go from (from mac head phone to mic of the radio? I also have a USB cable to the ACC1 jack of the radio that should be able to control it (CAT commands) any help would be appreciated 73 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Keyboard
Hi Paul, I do a lot of digital modes. having a keyboard PSK31 and RTTY interface would be a nice complement to the K3 CW paddle interface. Being able to read on the P3 display ( either or both SVGA and P3) also would be the match for me. Mostly I run much more robust modes as part of NBEMS. Olivia and MT63 mostly. But for those OK to use outboard computer. 73, tom n4zpt On 5/21/2012 12:23 PM, Paul Saffren N6HZ wrote: Hi David, I'm currently working on the USB keyboard option for the P3. I can't give an exact release date, but I'm guessing in the next month or two. Do you currently run much data and if so, what mode? 73, Paul David Fine wrote Don't want to be pushy, but now that we have the KAT 500 on the burner so to speak, I wonder when will we be seeing something about the keyboard and additional software applications for the P3/SVGA? W0DF __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@.qth This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-SVGA-Keyboard-tp7556058p7556208.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Keyboard
Works for me Paul. 73, tom n4zpt On 5/21/2012 2:48 PM, Paul Saffren N6HZ wrote: The P3/SVGA keyboard is designed to work with the data modes currently available on the K3. 73, Paul WB4SON wrote Hey Paul, Nice to hear you are onto the P3 USB Interface. I've never been 100% clear on the proposed future capabilities, so I've been dreaming (which is good but scary). I'd love to see PSK31 63 support, RTTY, plus Olivia, as well as CW. JT65 would be cool, but may not be possible in a commercial product (and Joe Taylor has taken ill recently -- however he was working with the HDR people towards integrating with them, so maybe commercial is possible). In terms of blue sky, it would be nice to have keyboard support for multiple memories as well as an incrementing serial number register. In terms of the minimum PSK31, RTTY 45.45, and CW xmit and receive. And I would hope that this could function with the P3 screen by itself (without requiring adding an additional monitor) 73, Bob, WB4SON __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@.qth This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-SVGA-Keyboard-tp7556058p7556220.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] reflectors
Nope, I like them all in one reflector. Would love that the KX3 traffic move back here. 73, tom n4zpt On 5/20/2012 6:03 AM, Ussvdharma wrote: how about seperate reflectors for k2, k3, p3??? this single one is getting out of control in length __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 psk31 transmit problems
Hi Frank, Does the K3 show any indication of getting the audio signal from your computer line out ( or speaker out) cable? You can put the K3 into TEST mode and not transmit while you are checking levels. Also you need to adjust the line in gain of the K3 to show the 4-5 bars on the ALC meter then set the power control for what ever power you want, like 25 watts. See the instructions in the manual on how to set this up. It is different than how to use other radios. I also presume you have selected line in on the K3 audio source menu. If you have a working serial cable then you can tell DigiPAN which port to use and to use RTS or DTR. Then make sure in the K3 you have turned on PTT for one or both of those two signals. You can test this with the K3 in TEST mode as well. I use fldigi and flrig using a serial cable and using PTT via CAT to work PSK31. Far more capable program than DigiPAN and pretty easy to use. Free also. DigiPAN is a really old program though the MixW web site says a new version is being worked on. 73, tom n4zpt On 5/19/2012 10:59 AM, kf4clo wrote: Hi All I want to thank everyone for thier help-I still haven't resolved the getting Digipan to key the K3 using the line in-line out,lineout-line in,but I'm still working on it. I am running windows7-Mic sel is line in-messed with the vox gain and the pc speaker volume. I must be missing something. I was wondering if I could use my elecraft cable (the one for K3 utility)? If so wud I need any other software(like rig controll)to make it key the K3? Thanks for your help. Frank-kf4clo kf4...@hotmail.com -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-psk31-transmit-problems-tp7556075.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] OT: Dayton New Equipment Show
decimation counts On 5/19/2012 7:29 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: The issue will be the severely limited dynamic range of the 16 bit ADC. Without effective AGC ahead of the ADC there *will* be overload problems on crowded bands (e.g. 160/80/40) where any transceiver must deal with many extremely strong (local) signals while maintaining maximum sensitivity. With AGC, the strong local signals will cause blocking as the gain is reduced to prevent overflow of the ADC. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] OT: Dayton New Equipment Show
Hi Joe, Guess we will have to await independent testing. The Flex folks seem to assert they have the equivalent of more than 24 bit when dealing with adjacent strong signals. From the Flex reflector... Just in rough numbers, you get a 1/2-bit for every divide-by-two decimation you do. If you are looking at dynamic range in a 500Hz bandwidth (this is what we typically do). The math I generally use to get there is log(f1/f2)/log(2)/2. I just think this way as a programmer (do everything in base 2). So if you take log(245.76E6/500)/log(2)/2 you get 9.4 extra bits when added to the 16 gives you 25.5 bits (152.7dB dynamic range). This assumes all 16-bits of the ADC are good which is probably not a good assumption. I'd have to pull out the notes and look at the data sheet again, but this should give you a rough idea. Hopefully I haven't made an additional duh today myself! Bottom line -- there's plenty of dynamic range. Also, if you are interested, we are using Xilinx DSP48E1 blocks which use an 18x25 multiplier and so Xilinx tools generate the on-board DDS as a 25-bit DDS by default --- again to preserve the SFDR of the receiver. We could add extra bits, but 25 are fine for the same reason. Steve Stephen Hicks, N5AC, AAR6AM VP Engineering FlexRadio Systems™ 4616 W Howard Ln Ste 1-150 Austin, TX 78728 Phone: 512-535-4713 x205 Email: steve at flexradio.com Web: www.flexradio.com On 5/19/2012 8:11 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: Decimation can help but it is not a magic bullet that eliminates the effects of ADC overflow and/or blocking due to gain reduction. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 5/19/2012 7:57 PM, Tom Azlin N4ZPT wrote: decimation counts On 5/19/2012 7:29 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: The issue will be the severely limited dynamic range of the 16 bit ADC. Without effective AGC ahead of the ADC there *will* be overload problems on crowded bands (e.g. 160/80/40) where any transceiver must deal with many extremely strong (local) signals while maintaining maximum sensitivity. With AGC, the strong local signals will cause blocking as the gain is reduced to prevent overflow of the ADC. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] k3 and field day
Hi David, We ( Vienna Wireless Society) have had multiple Elecraft K3s our for our field day. Did not seem any more difficult that other radios we have had out. I think there is a locked setting to limit amount of messing up the settings. We usually had someone around that knew how to reset the radios. But we had that sort of issue with a TenTec Orion and a FT-1000MP previous years. So no worse experience with K3s than any other radio brought out with those that did not own one. We used mono-band antennas for 40m CW and SSB stations and multi band antennas for our other two stations. Had two sets of band pass filters but discovered the K3s were just fine without. We have also had a 3 band Spiderbeam up on a 15 meter mast for the non-40 SSB station which got us a nice signal to the West. we do not like multiband antennas in general. lately we have been using two element wire yagis pointed towards the West coast ( we are in Virginia). 73, tom n4zpt On 5/11/2012 12:29 PM, dm...@nexicom.net wrote: I will have my k3 at Field Day this year and would like a little advice.I will have the Yamaha cm500, a hand held mic plus a set of paddles. It will have one multiband antenna. plus a will periodically be connected to a beam when its available. Since it will also be used by several other ops that probably wont know the K3 I would like to set it up as user friendly as possible and lock out as much as possible in the menus to prevent it from being messed up. What settings have others used in this situation. and what precautions are there? and any other thoughts please. Please answer to the reflector and not directly to me. David Moes VE3DVY __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] k3 and field day
The K3 configuration utility is handy that way! ( same with the KX3 configuration utility). 73, tom n4zpt On 5/11/2012 1:13 PM, Rose wrote: Been there, done that, as they say ... (;-) If you still want to do it, I strongly suggest you copy all the radio's parameters to a laptop so you can fix it on the fly. My K3 no longer goes to FD ... 73! Ken -K0PP On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Anthony Scandurra K4QEk...@att.netwrote: David, This applies to ANY competition class radio, not just the K3. I strongly recommend AGAINST bringing out your radio out unless you know for a fact that those who will be using it know how to use it already. If it is a free-for-all, you should only take out a radio that is dead-simple to operate like an ICOM IC-718, a Yaesu FT-840, or a Yaesu FT-747. Otherwise, you will be constantly be asked questions and/or really frustrating operators. Even worse, they might get the radio into some state rendering it unusable (yes, it DOES happen) and without a quick resolution because you won't know exactly what they changed. Sorry, but it is really not worth your trouble unless you know the operators are K3-aware. 73, Tony -Original Message- From: dm...@nexicom.net Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 12:29 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] k3 and field day I will have my k3 at Field Day this year and would like a little advice.I will have the Yamaha cm500, a hand held mic plus a set of paddles. It will have one multiband antenna. plus a will periodically be connected to a beam when its available. Since it will also be used by several other ops that probably wont know the K3 I would like to set it up as user friendly as possible and lock out as much as possible in the menus to prevent it from being messed up. What settings have others used in this situation. and what precautions are there? and any other thoughts please. Please answer to the reflector and not directly to me. David Moes VE3DVY __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Portable Antennas (near end fed)
My experience in a hotel room is they do not work well at all. Seems like you are inside a cage with RFI emitters all around you. Even high up in the hotel. Have had better luck outside on the grass with a dipole or wire just hung up arm's length in the trees. Get some wire outside and away from the building! or go outside. I have not had any luck getting hotel rooms with real balcony options. 73, tom n4zpt On 5/11/2012 12:09 PM, Mike WA8BXN wrote: I too would like to hear the answers to this question! But I have an added question and thought. What are reasonable expectations to being able to work much with an in the motel room antenna? I would expect a lot of noise, a lot of shielding and need to use 40 or 80a meters at night which is rougher to do with short antennas. My approach would be Internet access to a rig at home. The thought is that one could test out indoor antennas in their own shack to see how various things work. Second thought, particularly with respect to small loops, I wonder if they would be useful to home use (primarily as a receive antenna assuming the presence of better outside antennas for transmitting) being easy to rotate by hand to try to null noise or QRM. 73 - Mike WA8BXN ---Original Message--- From: va3...@gmail.com Date: 5/11/2012 11:27:40 AM To: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net; k6...@foothill.net Cc: Elecraft list Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Portable Antennas (near end fed) I for one am in a quandary on what to get at Dayton A buddipole, Alex loop, or g4tph. Being a road warrior, need a good working interior (most times hotel rooms are not accessible to the outside) portable And a partridge in a pear tree as well :-) Robert A 'kosher' ham Sent from my BlackBerry device -Original Message- From: Stephen Prioreastbrantw...@gmail.com Sender: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 08:55:54 To: k6...@foothill.netk6...@foothill.net Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.netelecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Portable Antennas (near end fed) Hi Fred I have been very tempted by the Alex-loop, but in the meantime have just Bought one of G4TPH's loops which I shall put through its paces when the Weather improves! I should imagine that the insensitivity to electric Fields in the near field would be an advantage in electrically noisy Environments. Even a campsite can be very noisy with the inverters from RVs And the like spewing out rf everywhere. I'm spoilt for choice of antennas to play with once the KX3 arrives! 73 Stephen G4SJP On Wednesday, 9 May 2012, Fred Jensen wrote: I haven't been following this thread closely but has anyone mentioned a small magnetic loop like the Alex-Loop? I've got a good SOTA friend who uses one and loves it. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2012 Cal QSO Party 6-7 Oct 2012 - www.cqp.org On 5/9/2012 2:47 AM, David Cutter wrote: What I particularly like about the near end fed is that you are more in control of the local stray capacitances and such like and you only need one slender wire in the sky. I wrote a power point on the subject which needs a bit of massage but I can send it to you for interest. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.netjavascript:; This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters
Have you emailed or called Elecraft directly to see if they already have a set up version that fits Thailand? Seems like a question for the factory not the list. Their factory configuration set up program might be able to turn off 6m. 73, tom n4zpt On 5/8/2012 2:10 PM, ussv dharma wrote: I am moving to HS0...they do not allow K3 import because it has 6 meters (not allowed in thailand). Is there a way to eliminate 6 meters from my K3 so I can try to get it type accepted? They do allow the K2. If you don't change direction you WILL arrive exactly where you're headed!! Susan Meckley, Skipper W7KFI-mm AFA9SM USSV DHARMA __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] KX3 observations
HI. Am using my KX3 on digital. Noticed that in Digital USB when I dial down the bandwidth to around 2.3 KHz the audio out goes away. Change the setting up or down and the audio comes back. Also had bandwidth set to 600 hertz and tried to dial the center freq up to 2KHz but would not go there. 1.78 was the max I think. ( rig in basement and I am up where my email computer is ). Also noticed that when I had it in USB and cut back the Hi Cut the audio at about 3KHz went from 3KHz roll off to something like 2 KHz roll off even though the reading was 2.9 KHz. I did not change the ESSB settings. I can go back and take detailed notes. any one else seeing this?? 73, tom n4zpt __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] KX3 observations
thanks Wayne, I can go take detailed notes and try to duplicate myself! 73, tom n4zpt On 5/5/2012 5:40 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: Tom, We'll try to duplicate your findings. I'll get back to you. tnx Wayne N6KR On May 5, 2012, at 2:16 PM, Tom Azlin N4ZPT wrote: HI. Am using my KX3 on digital. Noticed that in Digital USB when I dial down the bandwidth to around 2.3 KHz the audio out goes away. Change the setting up or down and the audio comes back. Also had bandwidth set to 600 hertz and tried to dial the center freq up to 2KHz but would not go there. 1.78 was the max I think. ( rig in basement and I am up where my email computer is ). Also noticed that when I had it in USB and cut back the Hi Cut the audio at about 3KHz went from 3KHz roll off to something like 2 KHz roll off even though the reading was 2.9 KHz. I did not change the ESSB settings. I can go back and take detailed notes. any one else seeing this?? 73, tom n4zpt __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Just worked my first KX3!
Just had my first Olivia contact using my KX3. ( Olivia 4/500) On 80m before I called the Virginia Digital Traffic net. Set at 5 watts into 75 meter OCF up about 45 ft. External SWR meter said about 2.5 watts to antenna with 2.7:1 SWR. Was W4FMD's Got up to about 45C. While not a KX1 on the other end K3 on the other end. Did not call the state wide net with the KX3, rather switched back to my K3 at 75 watts out ( rotten conditions). After net called a NY station using Olivia 156/500 on the KX3 but he did not hear me. Only got part of his call but he is a net regular so knew who was calling. Heading to higher frequencies for the rest of the weekend. 73, tom n4zpt On 5/4/2012 7:43 PM, AF6NI wrote: I just called CQ on 14.060 with my KX1 and K7NEW came back to me running a KX3. Guess they must be getting out there! Sounded great. Thanks for my first KX3 QSO Mark. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Problem with Elecraft's built in 2 meter receiver
Hi Larry, Mine works fine with the local 2m repeaters. Based on my experience have been telling those in my area it is a good option. Plus I used it with a 2m input transverter. What is happening with your 2m transverter? 73, tom n4zpt On 5/3/2012 8:42 AM, Larry Royster wrote: Although Elecraft personnel has been very helpful in trying to fix our problem with 2 meter reception in our local repeaters, no solution has been found. Until a solution is found, no one should purchase a K3 with this option. Otherwise the K3 has been great up to now. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3-PSK/RTTY Question
Hi Bill, For my K3 I do just as you say. A serial cable plus two audio cables connected to the line in/out of my computer sound card and my K3. Tossed my homebrew interface I used with my FT-1000 in the parts box. However my laptop does not have line in/out and so far the KX3 does not have line in/out. I get odd noise that looks like hum plus some scruff when I connect my KX3 directly to my laptop. It works but do not want to transmit the noise. So some sort of isolation and level adjusting is needed beyond just the computer sliders and KX3 mike gain and speaker level adjustment. Seems to me that is. So for my KX3 I just picked up the TRRS and TRS right angle connectors and plan to hook up one of my unterminated SL-USB cables ( short Ethernet cut in half) to play. Given the SL-USB is in my go kit anyway with my laptop. May use one of the inexpensive interface boards I found on eBay with a couple transformers and transistor switch. Or just grab some resistors and audio isolation transformers out of my parts boxes, i.e. dust off my old interface board. So yes, with the KX3 seems an interface is needed. Was very happy to read that in the future a firmware update might include having the speaker out and microphone in be switched to line out and in for the data modes. What do you use with your KX3??? 73, tom n4zpt On 5/3/2012 9:32 AM, nr4c wrote: Hi, Steve, \ I really think the SL-USB is a real nice interface if you need an interface. But in my opinion, for the K3/KX3 it is over-kill. I use two stereo audio cables between the sound card and the K3 and it works just fine. The K3 is already buffered and isolated with transformers (KX3 will not be). Unless you need the sound card for computer sounds and/or other audio uses, I'd just use the computer sound card. PTT can be handled via the serial CAT cable. bill nr4c On Thu, 03 May 2012 07:32:45 -0400, Steve wrote: Good Morning All, I have a K3 and am awaiting my KX3soon I hope... My question is that I am wanting to put the K3 on PSK and RTTY and I'm wondering if my choice of the Signalink USP is a good choice for these modes with the K3 and hopefully the KX3 Tnx es VY73' Steve W8CRH SEMPER FI __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Problem with Elecraft's built in 2 meter
Thanks Julie, Strong and weak are then their audio levels? Given that you are listening to the repeater output the RF carrier level should be the same for some that are fine and some that are clipping. Are all the ones clipping on the same repeater? Perhaps then strong means loud means higher deviation but not so as to clip the repeater receiver since I presume the same talkers are fine on your 706. My 706 had pretty wide FM filters, something like 20-30 KHz wide. ( we used to have a local repeater that clipped with excessive input deviation.) Using your panadapter are the ones that clip clearly wider than 13 KHz? Or offset? Perhaps the repeaters being used by those talkers are older ones with wide filters that allow wide deviation input? So is a puzzle. Strong and weak alike are fine on my K3 with internal transverter but my local repeaters are all on 15KHz centers and do not seem to be much wider than 13-15KHz on my P3 ( or my LP-PAN or SDR-I/Q ). I am wondering then if you have a bad filter? 73, tom n4zpt On 5/3/2012 10:31 AM, Julie Royster wrote: Larry K4MWE and I are hearing lots of distortion (clipping probably) on the K144XV tuned to local repeaters for anyone with strong signals. Weak stations are OK. Dale and Howard have made numerous suggestions but the problem appears to be that the FM filter is too narrow to allow some real-world repeaters to be received well. In contrast, the same repeaters sound just fine on our old Icom 706. We had hoped to be able to use the K3 for all bands. Has anyone else had this problem? Would the external tranverter be any different or does it use the very same filter? 73, Julie KT4JR, wife of Larry K4MWE __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3-PSK/RTTY Question
Hi Bill, Good deal on the order in! As soon as they get past midnight then you should be close. I have a whole handful of small transformers both from digikey and radio shack we got for club interface project. And bunches of optical coupled Darlingtons. And perfboard I used in the past. Also have a breadboard that just has three transformers ( for dual receive) with pairs of RCA connectors. I first just connected the cables directly to my laptop but the hum/noise was not acceptable. Even pulled the AC cord on the laptop and ran on batteries. But then I expected that based on early interfaces for my other pre-K3 radios. and back to the start of this thread. yes, the SignaLin-USB should be fine also. Especially if you happen to have one handy. 73, tom n4zpt On 5/3/2012 3:35 PM, Bill Conkling wrote: Welll My KX3 is on the list, I'm near the top of Dec 28 (00:23:59) so I am not sure at this point. I have a circuit board that has holes for a couple of iso transformers, and a pot. Will prob put something together using it when it gets here. Anxious in Williamsburg, bill nr4c -Original Message- From: Tom Azlin N4ZPT [mailto:t...@n4zpt.org] Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 12:49 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3-PSK/RTTY Question Hi Bill, For my K3 I do just as you say. A serial cable plus two audio cables connected to the line in/out of my computer sound card and my K3. Tossed my homebrew interface I used with my FT-1000 in the parts box. However my laptop does not have line in/out and so far the KX3 does not have line in/out. I get odd noise that looks like hum plus some scruff when I connect my KX3 directly to my laptop. It works but do not want to transmit the noise. So some sort of isolation and level adjusting is needed beyond just the computer sliders and KX3 mike gain and speaker level adjustment. Seems to me that is. So for my KX3 I just picked up the TRRS and TRS right angle connectors and plan to hook up one of my unterminated SL-USB cables ( short Ethernet cut in half) to play. Given the SL-USB is in my go kit anyway with my laptop. May use one of the inexpensive interface boards I found on eBay with a couple transformers and transistor switch. Or just grab some resistors and audio isolation transformers out of my parts boxes, i.e. dust off my old interface board. So yes, with the KX3 seems an interface is needed. Was very happy to read that in the future a firmware update might include having the speaker out and microphone in be switched to line out and in for the data modes. What do you use with your KX3??? 73, tom n4zpt On 5/3/2012 9:32 AM, nr4c wrote: Hi, Steve, \ I really think the SL-USB is a real nice interface if you need an interface. But in my opinion, for the K3/KX3 it is over-kill. I use two stereo audio cables between the sound card and the K3 and it works just fine. The K3 is already buffered and isolated with transformers (KX3 will not be). Unless you need the sound card for computer sounds and/or other audio uses, I'd just use the computer sound card. PTT can be handled via the serial CAT cable. bill nr4c On Thu, 03 May 2012 07:32:45 -0400, Steve wrote: Good Morning All, I have a K3 and am awaiting my KX3soon I hope... My question is that I am wanting to put the K3 on PSK and RTTY and I'm wondering if my choice of the Signalink USP is a good choice for these modes with the K3 and hopefully the KX3 Tnx es VY73' Steve W8CRH SEMPER FI __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] P3: new unit no workee - addendum
I think the P3 to K3 needs to be 38400 bps as you can not change that part. While the P3 to your computer can be any slower speed - I use 19,200 bps for computer to P3. 73, tom n4zpt On 5/3/2012 4:43 PM, Ralph Parker wrote: I forgot to say that the RS-232 rate for K3, P3 and logging program are all set to 4800 baud. Ralph, VE7XF __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Fixed audio output missing on the KX3? - and in the K3
That would work nicely. Please do add this. Perhaps also in the Data A or AFSK A modes compression is also turned off? Can always split some of the audio off for background awareness. 73, tom n4zpt On 5/1/2012 3:00 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: We may add LINE IN/OUT levels to the KX3 so that when you select DATA A or AFSK A data sub-modes, these levels will be used automatically. As with the K3, MIC GAIN would become LINE IN level, and AF GAIN would become LINE OUT level. Wayne On May 1, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Lance Collister, W7GJ wrote: On 5/1/2012 6:13 PM, Peter wrote: Ok, Its no possible in the KX3. But it IS possible in the K3! Will you please add this feature? Peter It IS ALREADY in the K3! The audio output from the LINE OUT is a constant output, set by the menu! GL and VY 73, Lance -- Lance Collister, W7GJ (ex WA3GPL, WA1JXN, WA1JXN/C6A, ZF2OC/ZF8, E51SIX, 3D2LR, 5W0GJ) P.O. Box 73 Frenchtown, MT 59834-0073 USA TEL: (406) 626-5728 QTH: DN27ub URL: http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj Windows Messenger: w...@hotmail.com Skype: lanceW7GJ 2m DXCC #11/6m DXCC #815 Interested in 6m EME? Ask me about subscribing to the Magic Band EME email group, or just fill in the request box at the bottom of my web page (above)! __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/KX3/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/KX3/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: kx3-dig...@yahoogroups.com kx3-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: kx3-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Kit Shipping Schedule Theory
Nah, I am just still laughing Don. 73, tom n4zpt On 5/1/2012 9:00 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: OK, you have not fulfilled my expectations. I was expecting my comments to be controversial, and would be met with much feedback, some of which I would respond to and and others that I would ignore. I did not receive any response, so either my assessment of the end of the world is valid or there is no further information about it. 73, Don W3FPR On 5/1/2012 8:49 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: Whatever the actual date, all those who have ordered their KX3 should have theirs in hand before October 2012 if the shipping delay estimate of 120 days is anywhere near correct. 120 days from today is August 29, 2012. Clearly before the end of the world We will have time to make some contacts on out KX3s. 73, Don W3FPR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Fw: KPXA100 amp for KX-3
Some time last year Eric or Wayne gave an approximate idea of size and weight they had in mind back then. I am presuming the K2 and K3 amps/tuners are a good volume/weight predictor just need to be re-laid out for the KX3. the two together was something like 4 x 5 x 9 and 6 pounds as an idea back then I thought. 73, tom n4zpt On 4/30/2012 6:47 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: Bob, Sorry, but none of that information is not yet available. As far as size, I can make a wild guess based on the volume of a typical 100 watt amplifier and 100 watt tuner and say that the total volume will be similar to that of a KPA100 plus a KAT100 - which fit inside an Elecraft EC2 enclosure. It will be but I doubt if the process is far enough along that the projections you are asking about can be available. I am certain Eric will correct me if I am wrong. BTW - a nit - there are no dashes in Elecraft model numbers except for a couple of the mini-modules. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/30/2012 6:26 PM, Linda and Bob wrote: See message below - Original Message - From: Linda and Bobdlrwi...@verizon.net To:elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 12:40 PM Subject: KPXA100 amp for KX-3 Does anyone know the approximate weight, size (HxWxD) of the KPXA100 for the KX-3? Are their any actual photos of this option other than the posted drawing? Any idea of the price for the amp and optional 100 watt auto antenna tuner? When will these options become available? Will there be a KPXA amp this year at Dayton for hams to look at? One more request: Will the owners of the KX-3's please post your reviews, opinions and suggestions on the Elecraft Reflector and on Eham.net. I noticed that there are only 4 postings on Eham.net (mostly from beta testers). Thanks. Bob Wilderman, K3SRO K3/100 SN#4669 K1-4 dlrwi...@verizon.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] SMT and the K3 - Nerves
Hi Lee, I replaced that SMT resistor with the supplied SMT resistor. Was pretty easy. Cut the old one in half in place, then unsoldered the two pieces. Then made sure the solder on both sides was good and cleaned most off. Was not much there. then tacked the SMT replacement in place on one side. Then was just touch the soldering iron on the other side to flow the solder ( might have added a spot of fresh solder.) Then soldered the other side and all was perfect. There is also plenty room to put in the other resistor resistor with leads per the instructions. I had a pair of fine tweezers with a rubber band to hold the SMT resistor while I did the tack on one side. Seemed to work well. Not much solder at all is needed. 73, tom n4zpt On 4/19/2012 10:18 AM, Lee Buller wrote: I have SN 443 - an early model of the K3. It has been back to Aptos for updates. Now then, I just got at P3 and included in that is a kit that that changes a resistor on the K3 to give 10 db more to the P3. It is SMT, but they also include a small resistor if you don't want to use the SMT resistor. Now I have visors and I have magnifying glass on an armbut LOOKING at this procedure and the K3it gives megreat pause. This is a whole new game for me from the K2. I have huge hands and this just makes me nervous. Somebody.make me un-nervous about clipping off an SMT resistor and replacing it with either another SMT (Like that is going to happen - NOT) or the little resistor. Lee - K0WA Nervous in Kansas In our day and age it seems that Common Sense is in short supply. If you don't have any Common Sense - get some Common Sense and use it. If you can't find any Common Sense, ask for help from somebody who has some Common Sense. Is Common Sense divine? Common Sense is the image of the Creator expressing revealed truth in my mind. - John W. (Kansas) Never interfere with anything that isn't bothering you. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] SMT and the K3 - Nerves
Hi Bob, I disagree. Did you read the Elecraft instructions?? Please do so then comment to Elecraft on the errors in their ways. Thanks and 73, tom n4zpt On 4/19/2012 12:04 PM, Bob wrote: I do not believe cutting the part in half is a good idea. The stress is applied to the pads and they can lift off the board. The potential for board damage, is very high. 73, Bob K2TK On 4/19/2012 10:46 AM, Tom Azlin N4ZPT wrote: Hi Lee, I replaced that SMT resistor with the supplied SMT resistor. Was pretty easy. Cut the old one in half in place, then unsoldered the two pieces. 73, tom n4zpt __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] windowing P3 display...
thanks John. that is the card I just got in and the set up I plan to use. Different monitor sizes but still the same. 73, tom n4zpt On 4/16/2012 9:01 PM, John Ragle wrote: For those of you who do not wish to devote an entire monitor to the P3 SVGA output, here are some final results of my testing: 1. Running WIN7 ultimate (32) on an older DELL dual core 3 GHz machine... 2. Running K3, P3, FLDIGI, FLRIG connected to this machine and working satisfactorily... 3. Running AVerMedia Game Broadcaster HD (short PCIx slot) (aka AVerMedia C127 PCIe Capture Device) on this machine... 4. SVGA output of P3 connected to (S)VGA input of AVerMedia card... 5. Running a 24 and a 21 monitor off an NVIDIA GeForce 9500 GT display card in this machine... The P3 output displays properly and without noticeable delay IN A RESIZEABLE WINDOW on either monitor, while FLDIGI and FLRIG run peacefully on the two monitors. Other windows also display on these monitors, and can be given focus if needed (e.g. email, DX Sherlock, etc.) The frame grabber card sells for$150 on Amazon.com and is probably available cheaper if one shops around. I will send a couple of screen shots off reflector to whomever wants to view them. John Ragle -- W1ZI __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Toughness
All of them I bet. I use my K3 on field events. Planning to substitute my KX3 when it arrives. Perhaps the lightest bounces better. 73, tom n4zpt On 4/9/2012 9:52 AM, John Huggins, kx4o wrote: Field Users, Which Elecraft products stand up best to knocks, bumps, etc. seen while fielding a station? Thanks. John, kx4o __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA waterfall problem
Thanks Paul. that will help me! Waterfall is too dark on the external display when is set where i like it on the P3 display. I just set it in between but will enjoy the bias setting. Also noticed a calibration difference between the two displays. Looks like they are about 3-4 dB different when long term averaged. 73, tom n4zpt On 4/10/2012 12:27 PM, Paul Saffren N6HZ wrote: W4CCS, The next version of SVGA firmware has a 'bias' feature that allows the user to increase the waterfall coloring threshold. 73, Paul W4CCS wrote For what its worth, I have the same problem as Larry. The waterfall on the P3 is OK but NOT on the VGA monitor. It seems as if some traces are OK but others do not even register but I do see some of them. Not a problem for me however because I do not use the waterfall display at all.. W4CCS On 4/8/2012 3:47 PM, Adrian wrote: Sorry Larry, I guess there is nothing simple about your issue. I would check the kit installation , the i/o board pins etc. Otherwise perhaps send the P3 as is to elecraft. Cant think what else could help. Hope you get it resolved soon. Adrian vk4tux - Original Message - From: Larry Phippslt;n8lp@gt; To: Adrianlt;vk4tux@gt; Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA waterfall problem It has been running for a week with just the pan display on the top and black on the bottom. I can move the dividing line, but the waterfall is always black. Larry N8LP On 4/8/2012 3:13 PM, Adrian wrote: It takes time to load, did you wait 5 minutes and see if the waterfall extends from top down? -Original Message- From: elecraft-bounces@.qth [mailto:elecraft-bounces@.qth] On Behalf Of Larry Phipps Sent: Monday, 9 April 2012 3:45 AM To: elecraft@.qth Subject: [Elecraft] P3SVGA waterfall problem Maybe I'm missing something obvious, but I can't get a waterfall display on my external monitor. I have tried the entire range of the REF control. It looks fine on the small display, of course. All I get on the big monitor is black where the waterfall should be. I have tried all four resolution settings and three different monitors. I am running P3 v1.13 and SVGA v1.02. Is anyone else seeing this? Larry N8LP - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2409/4920 - Release Date: 04/07/12 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@.qth This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2409/4920 - Release Date: 04/07/12 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@.qth This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@.qth This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3SVGA-waterfall-problem-tp7448086p7453466.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Strange signal seen on P3
Change your span, does it go away? Change it further, does another spike show up? Turn off the K3, does it go away? My answers were yes, yes, and no. I did find some spans with no spikes. Lucky the ones I use. I still need to go back and search for them again now that I have reconfigured my shack layout. I presume some sort of internal P3 spur with the SVGA card in place. 73, tom n4zpt On 4/3/2012 10:38 PM, Bill Swindell - K1LED wrote: I noticed on my P3 a single spike displayed on the right side of the screen. The signal is 12.45mhz from the center frequency. As I tune the radio, the P3 display shifts so that the radio frequency remains in the center of the P3 and the extra signal stays on the right side of the P3 display. What causes this erroneous display? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA display too wide at 1920x1080
Does your monitor have a DVI-D connector? the little flat blade without 4 pins adjacent is DVI-D. That what is on my new 22 inch Dell. I could not find a VGA to DVI-D adapter. The local small computer store said not possible as VGA is analog and DVI-D is digital only. If the little flat blade does have 4 adjacent pins on your monitor then easy to find VGA to DVI-I which is integrated analog and digital. As aside found my new 22 inch dell did auto adjust. 73, tom n4zpt On 3/28/2012 10:06 PM, tomb18 wrote: Is it possible to use a VGA to dvi adapter? Will this fix things? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA no U shaped cursors
I mentioned that a few days ago and on the list we were told that was to be provided at a later update of the firmware. 73, tom n4zpt On 3/23/2012 3:11 PM, Mike K2MK wrote: I just installed my SVGA card and noticed that the VFO cursors are always the green and magenta bar type even if U type is selected. If I select U type, it is U type on the P3 but still bar type on the large monitor. I would like to request that the cursor type on the large screen be the same as that selected on the P3. My firmware version is 1.12. I was surprised at how long it took to load all of the software. I think I dozed off midway and it was still loading when I came to. 73, Mike K2MK -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-SVGA-no-U-shaped-cursors-tp7399691p7399691.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] DVI connectors with an P3SVGA
I discovered the same thing. Guy at the local small computer shop said do not bother. So I checked my weather computer to discover it had a DVI connector in back then just bought a DVI-D cable which the display card recognized fine. then used the now empty VGA connector/cable with the P3. Works nicely. 73, tom n4zpt On 3/22/2012 5:17 PM, Mike K2MK wrote: Hi Joe, Save your money, it won't work. My understanding is that DVI is a digital format and the SVGA card is an analog format. So while you can get cables and and/or adapters that will fit they just won't work. I haven't received my SVGA card yet but in preparation I conducted an experiment with my PC using a DVI adapter. I connected the VGA output of the PC to the DVI input of the monitor using a DVI adapter on the end of the VGA cable. The monitor won't recognize the analog signal on the DVI input. So here's what I did. My PC has both a VGA and a DVI output. I used the VGA output from the PC to drive the primary monitor. I then used the DVI output from the PC to drive the secondary monitor. I then put a VGA cable on the other input to the secondary monitor and have it in position to attach to the P3 as soon as UPS drops off the card. I only use the secondary monitor to display the VE7CC cluster program and there is a front mounted button on the monitor to switch between the two inputs. If your PC has a VGA and DVI output you can do exactly what I did with your single monitor. The only difficulties incurred were trying to get the PC display program to properly identify monitor number 1 and monitor number 2. I fiddled with it for quite a while but I don't remember what I did to get it right. You should have no problem with only one monitor. (As an aside, you can get very inexpensive DVI adapters in all of the various formats on eBay by way of China or other Asian destinations). Usually for under $3.00 including shipping). 73, Mike K2MK Joe Ford-2 wrote I had planned to use my one video monitor which has has both a VGA connector and DVI connector with my PC and the P3SVGA. I ordered a cable with VGA male and DVI male connectors to interface the SVGA. However, the cable I got has a DVI connector which does not match the one on the monitor. The cable has a DVI-A while monitor appears to accept either a DVI-D or DVI-I, I'm not sure which it is. I gained what little I know about DVI from the internet. It would seem the DVI-A (analog) is the only connector that will work with VGA. But I could be wrong. A second monitor would be nice but due to available space I would prefer just one. Does anyone know enough about the DVI offer advice? Thanks. Joe k4nvj -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/DVI-connectors-with-an-P3SVGA-tp7396878p7397038.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] DVI connectors with an P3SVGA
Hi Bob. I have a lot of DVI-to-VGA adapters but they turned out to not be DVI-D (digital only) but rather DVI-I (both analog and digital) to VGA. There is also DVI-A (analog only) connector. My monitor has a DVI-D and a VGA connector so the DVI adapters I had and could find would not fit. 73, tom n4zpt On 3/22/2012 9:59 PM, Bob Nielsen wrote: DVI connectors will do both analog and digital, if the connected device supports both. My first generation Mac Mini had a DVI connector which I used with a DVI cable to a digital monitor. It also came with a DVI-SVGA adapter which I later used with an analog monitor. Bob. N7XY __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA
Given the size of the two displays I was happy to see that the waterfall area on the SVGA adapter was much larger. so OK as it or if separate adjustments are available would set the SVGA adapter to more waterfall than I like having the built in P3 display. Have been busy on some ARES exercises but will get back to cataloging the birdies I see. 73, tom n4zpt On 3/20/2012 11:02 PM, Bill Swindell - K1LED wrote: I just tried the adjustment. I am running 1024 x 768 and the dividing line is MUCH higher on my VGA dispaly than it is on the P3. Does this meant that I will have to wait for new code before I can make both displays look similar? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] two k3's on the same band
Yes. Vienna Wireless Society K4XY Field Day multiple times. We had an all K3 field day couple times with 2 K3s on 40m. One CW and one SSB. Antennas were dipoles or two element wire yagis both pointing West with about 300 ft separation E-W ( yea, CW station was in the beam of the SSB station]. Either K3 could dial close to the other with little issue. When we tuned past the other station was just a strong station. I guess plenty of one over r-squared isolation? 73, tom n4zpt On 3/21/2012 3:24 PM, Matt Murphy wrote: Just wondering if anyone has any experience using two K3's on the same band (for example, one for running, one for mults in a multi-op single transmitter scenario). Is there any danger of damaging the receiver(s) by transmitting with high power so close by (different antenna, same property). Is there a difference if the transmission is a few KHz away vs (accidentally) on the same frequency? Just curious what sorts of precautions (if any) ought to be taken and what solutions exist (if necessary). 73, Matt NQ6N __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 12VDC OUT increased current mod available soon
That's great news Paul. I will certainly get that kit and mod my K3. 73, tom n4zpt On 3/15/2012 12:18 PM, Paul Saffren N6HZ wrote: Many of you have asked if there is a way to modify your K3 so that it can provide enough current to supply a P3 with the SVGA board. We are currently working on a mod kit that will do just that. We'll let you know as soon as we have something available. 73, Paul (n6hz) __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] newbie setup questions on memory editor repeater setup
Hi Julie, I have not seen another list response. Perhaps you got direct responses? The split mode is not necessary for a repeater. See page 29 of the manual. I dial in the repeater on one of the VFOs, switch to FM mode, then push the Alt key ( hold down mode key) multiple times until it switches to the + or - offset I want. When I key the mike the VFO displays the offset transmit freq then goes back to the receive freq when I let off the PTT. Separately is an offset setting but as I remember it was defaulted correctly. The squelch on my K3 is the RF/SQL knob. Setup on page 53 or around there. 73, tom n4zpt On 3/14/2012 4:51 PM, Julie Royster wrote: Hi from KT4JR, wife of K4MWE, and new co-owner of a K3 with 144mHz transverter built in. I have not been able to understand how repeaters are supposed to be set up and I am hoping some kind spirit out there can clarify for me. I have entered the repeater frequency in the VFO A cell of the memory editor on the computer. I have selected FM so that offset and PL tone choices appear next to the VFO B cell. I can put in the offset and PL tone, but do I enter a frequency in the VFO B cell? I can't tell whether the program would apply the offset to the VFO A frequency or to the VFO B frequency, so I don't know whether to put the same entry in A and in B, put the actual transmit frequency in B, leave B blank, or what. Say we have a repeater with VFO A frequency at 145.20 mHz and a negative offset of 0.6 mHz. So my transmit frequency needs to be 144.60 What should my table row look like? What goes in the VFO B cell? Name VFO AVFO BoffsetPL tone ABC club 145.20 _-0.6 82.5 A related question (why I can't figure out the above) is where on the K3 I could actually see the result. Is there some way I can display the frequency I am transmitting on using the display screen of the K3? Do I need to set the K3 to split before using a repeater, in addition to setting the above? If there is a pre-fab dummy guide for repeater set-up, please point me toward it! Finally, I have not figured out the squelch yet either. is there a set-up guide for squelch? Clearly this radio is amazingly flexible, and I need to keep on studying! THANKS for your help! Julie KT4JR in Raleigh, NC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] switching a heath amp
Hi Don and Bob, One alternative is to put in a mod to the Heathkit amp. http://www.harbachelectronics.com/main/page_products_sb200__sb201.html I put one of the soft key mods into my SB-200. Easy to put in and works nicely. 73, tom n4zpt On 3/15/2012 2:07 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: Bob, If that voltage is for certain positive, the answer is yes, the K3 will switch it, but if it is negative, connect your other relay. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/15/2012 1:12 PM, riese-k3...@juno.com wrote: Gang the heath series of amps use bial voltage to switch the thing from T/R and That amounts to 130 +- volts would the K3 be Ok switching this or should I look to add an additional relay and switch that Bob K3DJC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA
Mine came yesterday. Is installed and working with power from a 1 amp position on the station power strip. I am using one of my older displays at 1024x768 and still very nice. Will swap in one of my other wide displays later that has multiple inputs. Picture in Picture might be nice here. Or might pick up an SVGA frame grabber and see if I can stream the P3 video. I think I would like to be able to switch the filter marker to the U that I like on the main P3 display. Also seems that the display calibration is off by about 5 dB from the main P3 display so need to go read about calibration. result is that if the main P3 display is nice looking the waterfall on the external monitor looks too light as I can not see signals I am copying just fine. Otherwise very nice. 73, tom n4zpt On 3/12/2012 9:36 PM, Ed Schuller wrote: As noted by others, it went together very quickly. The only downside that I can see is that it no longer is powered on and off by my K3. I built a small circuit that is driven by the K3's external 12V output (that used to power the P3), that now switches the power to the P3. Easy fix, but would have been nice to not need the extra stuff. However, I will say that the large screen is pretty coolgreat resolution, and it's BIG!!! 73, Ed - K6CTA __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA
I connected mine to a 1 amp fuse position in my power pole strip. Am going to look around for or build a power pole strip controlled by the position where I plug in to power my K3. That way the peripherals come on when I power up the K3. For the moment, just pushing the power button. 73, tom n4zpt On 3/14/2012 4:52 PM, Mike K2MK wrote: Hi Paul, I'm curious about circuit protection. If I connect this cable directly to my 35 amp 12V power supply is there any over current protection within the P3? I understand that the cable itself might go up in smoke but at the present time I'm only really worried about the P3. 73, Mike K2MK Paul Saffren N6HZ wrote Hi Bill, We're going to start shipping a 6' 2.1MM power cable with every P3SVGA board ordered. The other end of the cable is bare and can be used to connect the P3 directly to your 12V mains. This should start by tomorrow or the next day. If your SVGA hasn't shipped yet, there'll be one in the box. Anyone who has already received their SVGA board can simply contact the factory and we'll send one out. 73, Paul (n6hz) -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3SVGA-tp7366923p7373339.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Anyone get their P3 SVGA yet?
so far only the ship notice. Soon! 73, tom n4zpt On 3/12/2012 3:40 PM, tomb18 wrote: Any comments? I have to wait, since I'm out of town for two weeks __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Good Low Cost Audio to USB Interfaces For Digital Modes
Works for both Jim. Windows has the drivers. Is very nice. 73, tom On 3/9/2012 5:52 PM, Jim Brown wrote: On 3/9/2012 7:59 AM, Mike wrote: Have you an opinion on the iMic? Know nothing about it -- I live in the PC world. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Adapter with FFT Processor now available to order
That is why I am looking for an SVGA frame grabber. Found several USB ones, an Ethernet one, and several pci versions. Some with streaming video software. Just searched on SVGA frame grapper and SVGA capture. Other was was to use the Picture in Picture feature of my monitor but then the PC would not know it is there. 73, tom n4zp On 1/14/2012 3:46 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: What I would like more is the ability to export that SVGA info somehow to my PC so I can put it in a WINDOW on my 30 inch display instead of having to dedicate a display to it. There's no place to put the second dedicated monitor except to far left or far right. 73, Guy. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] P3 SVGA Adapter with FFT Processor now available to order
Thanks Eric. Now to look for an SVGA frame grabber so I can stream the P3 output and perhaps put in a movable window in my large display. 73, tom n4zpt On 1/11/2012 9:17 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: The P3SVGA wide screen video adapter for the P3 Panadapter with high performance FFT processor is now available for ordering. See: http://www.elecraft.com/P3/p3.htm#svga The P3SVGA adapter adds wide screen display capability to the P3 (up to 1920x1080p). It also has a dedicated high speed FFT processor that performs a 2048 point FFT in parallel with the P3's existing processor, for a much higher frequency resolution per dot display on the larger screen. The P3SVGA adapter is a plug-in internal card to the P3 that can be easily added by the user. The P3SVGA also includes an interface for our future USB keyboard option that will allow direct digital mode operation via the K3 and P3, with data display in a P3. Currently supported native screen resolutions (other resolutions may be added in the future): 1024 x 768 1280 x 1024 1440 x 900 1600 x 900 1920 x 1080 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Internal Tuner Question
Not sure I understand this. I did not think an SWR meter was supposed to work properly only when seeing 50 ohms restive. If the line is not flat it is terminated in to something other than the feedline impedance, i.e. not 50 ohms restive in this discussion. I would expect the SWR meter at some point in the feedline to be accurate under those conditions because it is supposed to measure the standing wave ratio of the feedline with respect to that 50 ohm resistive. If I then have an antenna coupler in the radio that is matching the transmitter to that non-50 ohm impedance why would the SWR meter change to inaccurately measuring the SWR? Putting the K3 into bypass or letting it tune should not change the SWR measures at some point in the feedline. The K3 may show 1:1 simply because it properly transformed the line impedance to 50 ohms restive. Perhaps I am missing something here. Sorry for continuing the discussion. 73, tom n4zpt On 1/2/2012 8:06 PM, Rick Bates wrote: Let me see if I can correctly state, with clarity for all to understand so this thread can die peacefully and we can move on (please?). The K3 puts out power into an internal tuner (if installed) and then to an SO-239 at the rear of the radio. If the tuner is in bypass, the impedance is very close to 50 ohm resistive at that connector. In this case, any SWR meter (bridge) downstream to the antenna will read the SWR (AT THAT POINT IN THE FEEDLINE which may/not agree with the K3 reading). If the tuner is NOT in bypass, the impedance at the same SO-239 will be +-10:1 of 50 ohms. Since any other SWR meter (bridge) between the K3 and the antenna is probably NOT seeing the expected 50 Ohm impedance, the reading of OTHER than the K3 meter will be called into question and more than likely wrong. Repeating, when the internal tuner is used, the K3 meter is the only one that is accurate. Thank you and Happy New Year, Rick wa6nhc __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Internal Tuner Question
Thanks Matthew. I should not have spoken like that. Should just have said the meter in the line would not change just because a radio tuner transformed impedance to make the radio happy. 73, tom n4zpt On 1/2/2012 9:11 PM, Matthew Pitts wrote: Tom, All an antenna tuner does is show the radio the load it expects; the SWR will still be high at the output of the tuner, and an SWR meter in the coax at that output will show it as it actually is at that point, not as it is on the input of the tuner/output of the radio. Matthew Pitts N8OHU __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] KX3 orders being taken!
Yep, just placed my order. Email from Elecraft came a minute ago. Now for the anticipation. Will be a Happy New Year. In the mean time will work on my K2 kit. 73, tom n4zpt On 12/27/2011 10:30 PM, W0FK wrote: Just got an email than KX3 orders are being taken, and I was able to place an order! Happy Holidays for sure! 73, Lou, W0FK __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA signal as a separate window with VGA2USB?
Now that is an interesting idea Jan. I would indeed be interested in streaming the P3 video as there are times several of us in training nets are trying to describe to another ham how their signal looks. As it is I take photos, download them and email after the fact. Would have to work work the rest of the broadcast part as have never sent out video. 73, tom n4zpt On 12/20/2011 6:17 AM, Jan, SM5FQQ wrote: [snip] It also perhaps opens for a possibility to broadcast the signal on Internet? To give friend an opportunity to watch his transmitted signal! 73 de Jan SM5FQQ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Band edge markers
No, would turn them off if they were there. 73, tom n4zpt On 12/6/2011 5:29 PM, Alan Komenski AC2K wrote: Anyone else think having band edge markers for the K3 (tone) and for the P3 (visible marker line) a good idea? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Running DX Lab on K3
Hi Don and Alan, On my K3 and P3 to solve an initial comms problem with my software and the P3 I set the computer to P3 speed to half that of the fixed P3 to K3 speed. Helped get rid of some glitches that actually went away later when flrig 1.2 came out. Elecraft also was helping debug the problem. As Don says it is computer to P3 with one serial cable and P3 to K3 with a second serial cable. Works fine now. 73, tom n4zpt On 10/3/2011 8:50 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: Alan, I don't understand why you have to disconnect the P3. The P3 has a pass-thru RS-232 connector. Have you tried connecting the PC to the RS-232 connector marked PC on the P3? If DX Lab interferes with the P3 to K3 communication, that may cause problems, but for most applications, that connection works just fine. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/3/2011 8:40 PM, Alan Grant wrote: I have been trying to run DX Lab on my K3, but have to disconnect the P3 Pan adaptor, do Elecraft make a double adaptor for the RS232 line, or if I buy some RS232 -USB adaptor and plug it into a USB multi adaptor, can I run these other applications at the same time as the Pan adaptor? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Running DX Lab on K3
Mixing communication speeds was exactly what Elecraft said do do with the symptoms I was having. it worked fine. Still does. But if you turn off the P3 relays connect the lines between the two RS232 so would fail then. Works so well have not bothered to switch the computer to P3 speeds back to 38,400 bps. 73, tom n4zpt On 10/3/2011 9:25 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: DXLab Suite (CI-V Commander) works fine with K3 and P3. Set Commander, the K3 and P3 *all* to 38,400 bps ... there is no problem with either the software or hardware. Do not try to mix serial speeds - that's bound to fail. 73, ... Joe, W4TV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [P3] P3 and K144XV
OK, seem to have solved the problem. The P3 XV Gain #1 setting was way wrong, in fact never set right. Also had to switch the P3 XV Invert #1 to inverted. So now appears that I can see the 2m spectrum with the P3. Just have to go get a signal generator to calibrate the display. Alan and Gary from Elecraft kept suggesting what to do until I got it right. Thanks Alan and Gary and Elecraft. 73, tom n4zpt On 8/7/2011 2:02 PM, Tom Azlin N4ZPT wrote: Thanks Alan, I will go back in and check the initial set up for the K144XV as well as the P3 and K3. Certainly some sort of widely different gain setting on 2m. BUT looking at the IF out the signal levels are proper as I did not have to change the scale very much on the SDR pan display. 73, tom n4zpt On 8/6/2011 10:37 PM, Alan Bloom wrote: It could be that the MENU:XV_Gain setting for two meters got wildly wrong somehow. You might try changing it. Another possibility would be to do the parameter initialization (under Troubleshooting in the manual). Alan On Sat, 2011-08-06 at 16:40 -0400, Tom Azlin N4ZPT wrote: Hi Stan, Adjusting the ref level does not help. Looking at the IF output of the P3 the actual signal level is not changing when I switch between 6m and 2m. I hooked up my QS1R SDR and can see the signals fine when the P3 water fall display is orange when I am on 2m. I can not find a ref level that works. Radio is working fine on 2m as I can copy signals fine. When i disconnect the serial cable between the P3 and K3 the display is fine minus frequency and filter info of course. All the software is up today. Both of my K3s do this. Any ideas gang?? 73, tom n4zpt On 8/6/2011 11:13 AM, Stan Gibbs wrote: Tom, Sounds like your Ref Lvl is set too high. The color of the waterfall reflects the vertical position of the trace in the frequency display. If you reduce the reference level, the frequency display will return to a viewable position, and the orange waterfall will revert to blue. The reference level is per-band so you have to adjust it for each band you operate on. For my 2m setup the ref level is set at -145 dBm, which allows me to see the frequency trace when the pre-amp is on or off. - 73, Stan - KR7C -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-P3-and-K144XV-tp5472582p6659797.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [P3] P3 and K144XV
Thanks Alan, I will go back in and check the initial set up for the K144XV as well as the P3 and K3. Certainly some sort of widely different gain setting on 2m. BUT looking at the IF out the signal levels are proper as I did not have to change the scale very much on the SDR pan display. 73, tom n4zpt On 8/6/2011 10:37 PM, Alan Bloom wrote: It could be that the MENU:XV_Gain setting for two meters got wildly wrong somehow. You might try changing it. Another possibility would be to do the parameter initialization (under Troubleshooting in the manual). Alan On Sat, 2011-08-06 at 16:40 -0400, Tom Azlin N4ZPT wrote: Hi Stan, Adjusting the ref level does not help. Looking at the IF output of the P3 the actual signal level is not changing when I switch between 6m and 2m. I hooked up my QS1R SDR and can see the signals fine when the P3 water fall display is orange when I am on 2m. I can not find a ref level that works. Radio is working fine on 2m as I can copy signals fine. When i disconnect the serial cable between the P3 and K3 the display is fine minus frequency and filter info of course. All the software is up today. Both of my K3s do this. Any ideas gang?? 73, tom n4zpt On 8/6/2011 11:13 AM, Stan Gibbs wrote: Tom, Sounds like your Ref Lvl is set too high. The color of the waterfall reflects the vertical position of the trace in the frequency display. If you reduce the reference level, the frequency display will return to a viewable position, and the orange waterfall will revert to blue. The reference level is per-band so you have to adjust it for each band you operate on. For my 2m setup the ref level is set at -145 dBm, which allows me to see the frequency trace when the pre-amp is on or off. - 73, Stan - KR7C -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-P3-and-K144XV-tp5472582p6659797.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [P3] P3 and K144XV
thanks Stan, I tried that but will go back and try it again. Was planning to hook a spectrum analyzer to the IF out to see what the actual output level is when I switch to 2m. 73, tom n4zpt On 8/6/2011 11:13 AM, Stan Gibbs wrote: Tom, Sounds like your Ref Lvl is set too high. The color of the waterfall reflects the vertical position of the trace in the frequency display. If you reduce the reference level, the frequency display will return to a viewable position, and the orange waterfall will revert to blue. The reference level is per-band so you have to adjust it for each band you operate on. For my 2m setup the ref level is set at -145 dBm, which allows me to see the frequency trace when the pre-amp is on or off. - 73, Stan - KR7C __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [P3] P3 and K144XV
Hi Stan, Adjusting the ref level does not help. Looking at the IF output of the P3 the actual signal level is not changing when I switch between 6m and 2m. I hooked up my QS1R SDR and can see the signals fine when the P3 water fall display is orange when I am on 2m. I can not find a ref level that works. Radio is working fine on 2m as I can copy signals fine. When i disconnect the serial cable between the P3 and K3 the display is fine minus frequency and filter info of course. All the software is up today. Both of my K3s do this. Any ideas gang?? 73, tom n4zpt On 8/6/2011 11:13 AM, Stan Gibbs wrote: Tom, Sounds like your Ref Lvl is set too high. The color of the waterfall reflects the vertical position of the trace in the frequency display. If you reduce the reference level, the frequency display will return to a viewable position, and the orange waterfall will revert to blue. The reference level is per-band so you have to adjust it for each band you operate on. For my 2m setup the ref level is set at -145 dBm, which allows me to see the frequency trace when the pre-amp is on or off. - 73, Stan - KR7C -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-P3-and-K144XV-tp5472582p6659797.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [P3] P3 and K144XV
HI Bill, Was there some set up you had to do to get the P3 to properly display the spectrum when on 2m? I tried this last night to discover on mine set up that the P3 spectrum display noise line climbs out of site and the water fall goes to orange. Switch back to 6m or below and all works. Same on both my K3s. Does any one recognize this symptom? Thanks and 73, tom On 8/28/2010 2:57 PM, Bill K9YEQ wrote: I have used the P3 with the K144xv. Bill K9YEQ -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Radio Amateur N5GE Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 7:10 AM To: Elecraft Subject: [Elecraft] [P3] P3 and K144XV Does the P3 Display 2m with the K144XV and other XVTRs? Thanks, Tom Childers N5GE Antenna 4507 Branchview Drive Arlington, TX 76017 n...@n5ge.com http://www.n5ge.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [P3] P3 and K144XV
make that climbs out of sight. 73, tom n4zpt On 8/5/2011 10:59 PM, Tom Azlin N4ZPT wrote: HI Bill, Was there some set up you had to do to get the P3 to properly display the spectrum when on 2m? I tried this last night to discover on mine set up that the P3 spectrum display noise line climbs out of site and the water fall goes to orange. Switch back to 6m or below and all works. Same on both my K3s. Does any one recognize this symptom? Thanks and 73, tom On 8/28/2010 2:57 PM, Bill K9YEQ wrote: I have used the P3 with the K144xv. Bill K9YEQ -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Radio Amateur N5GE Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 7:10 AM To: Elecraft Subject: [Elecraft] [P3] P3 and K144XV Does the P3 Display 2m with the K144XV and other XVTRs? Thanks, Tom Childers N5GE Antenna 4507 Branchview Drive Arlington, TX 76017 n...@n5ge.com http://www.n5ge.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft at Dayton
They have done both at Dayton every year I have been there. Do not know how many of the big kits they have there. But I have bought some of the small items and ordered big ones from their booth. And gotten to see all the radios. 73, tom n4zpt On 4/7/2011 8:51 AM, Johnny Siu wrote: Hello Group, From your past experience, will there be any kit / product selling at Elecraft booth in Dayton? Or, is the booth only for demonstration of Elecraft products? TNX 73, Johnny VR2XMC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Forums?
I'd rather have the mailing list. 73, tom n4zpt On 3/27/2011 12:36 AM, Geoffrey Wolf AB3LS wrote: Okay. Looks like I was testing the waters here a bit. I didn't mean to try to take away anything from this mailing list. I guess, for myself anyway, would be more willing to join a discussion forum than a mailing list. Looking through the archives here, it looks like quite a bit of information goes through here and in my opinion it would be easier to keep track of everything in a discussion forum. Only my opinion. I'm not trying to change 'what is', I was merely trying to add to what is. Thanks for the replies! 73 Geoffrey Wolf AB3LS __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Installed K3EXREF
And EME at 23cm given the rest of my station can be linked to my G3RUH GPS stabilized 10MHz ref. 73, tom n4zpt On 3/20/2011 11:51 AM, Jim Miller wrote: I'm guessing this is really useful for EME at UHF. jim ab3cv __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Maxwell's Equations.
Hi Kevin, What was asserted in The Maxwellians was that Maxwell died in the middle of a rewrite. It did sound like there was a controversy on his particle (or little eddies?) form of the equations for a field approach. Perhaps that new version would have dropped the use of quaternions? Have not studied the equations since college, perhaps will go find the papers after I finish this history book. Thanks for the tip on locating the older forms. 73, tom n4zpt On 3/10/2011 1:46 AM, Kevin Rock wrote: There was a group which disliked his use of quaternions so he was forced to rewrite the system into other systems. Most of the work was carried out by others but for him to publish he needed peer review so he caved into the larger group. I am reading his original work from 1873 and finding it very enlightening. Even though I have studied the Heaviside-Gibb's version of the Maxwell equations many times the quaternions he used in the original paper were very hard to find. Luckily they are proliferating online these days. Kevin. KD5ONS On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 15:31:18 -0800, David Cutterd.cut...@ntlworld.com wrote: I don't recall that from his biography, I'll have to read it again. Interesting. David G3UNA Hi Kevin, Was not Maxwell that condensed the hard to understand original theory. Was some his disciples, aka The Maxwellians, that finished the theory in the present form. FitzGerald, Lodge, and Heavyside plus others. Am just now reading The Maxwellians that has this story. 73, tom n4zpt On 3/6/2011 5:37 PM, Kevin Rock wrote: I have always wondered how he condensed the original twenty equations in twenty unknowns down to just four of them. The quaternions he used initially were out a favor with the physics community of the day so he needed to get them into vector form. Heaviside did a good job but how do you characterize a system with twenty unknowns in four equations? What has been lost in the translation? Kevin. KD5ONS __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Maxwell's Equations.
Sorry you are not enjoying the thread James. Seems like many of the email on this reflector has nothing to do with the K3. I'm an average user of the K3 (and an in progress K2 builder). Talking about the actual equations and the history of their development seems to me to be of general interest to many of the readers of this list given the other responses. 73, tom n4zpt On 3/10/2011 10:06 AM, JAMES ROGERS wrote: Enough with the Maxwell Equations What in the world does this represent to the average K3 user? . On Mar 10, 2011, at 8:21 AM, Tom Azlin N4ZPT wrote: Hi Kevin, What was asserted in The Maxwellians was that Maxwell died in the middle of a rewrite. It did sound like there was a controversy on his particle (or little eddies?) form of the equations for a field approach. Perhaps that new version would have dropped the use of quaternions? Have not studied the equations since college, perhaps will go find the papers after I finish this history book. Thanks for the tip on locating the older forms. 73, tom n4zpt On 3/10/2011 1:46 AM, Kevin Rock wrote: There was a group which disliked his use of quaternions so he was forced to rewrite the system into other systems. Most of the work was carried out by others but for him to publish he needed peer review so he caved into the larger group. I am reading his original work from 1873 and finding it very enlightening. Even though I have studied the Heaviside-Gibb's version of the Maxwell equations many times the quaternions he used in the original paper were very hard to find. Luckily they are proliferating online these days. Kevin. KD5ONS On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 15:31:18 -0800, David Cutterd.cut...@ntlworld.com wrote: I don't recall that from his biography, I'll have to read it again. Interesting. David G3UNA Hi Kevin, Was not Maxwell that condensed the hard to understand original theory. Was some his disciples, aka The Maxwellians, that finished the theory in the present form. FitzGerald, Lodge, and Heavyside plus others. Am just now reading The Maxwellians that has this story. 73, tom n4zpt On 3/6/2011 5:37 PM, Kevin Rock wrote: I have always wondered how he condensed the original twenty equations in twenty unknowns down to just four of them. The quaternions he used initially were out a favor with the physics community of the day so he needed to get them into vector form. Heaviside did a good job but how do you characterize a system with twenty unknowns in four equations? What has been lost in the translation? Kevin. KD5ONS __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html JIM ROGERS, W4ATK w4...@bellsouth.net http://web.me.com/jimrogers_w4atk K3/100 P3 K2/10 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Maxwell's Equations.
Does not offend me Jim! Was just puzzled. The math is hard having forgotten most of that myself especially as I only barely understood it back in college 40 years ago. The book I am reading, The Maxwellians, is more a science history book than a book on the equations themselves. Interesting reading about the scientists and how they worked this out. How some ideas survived and some did not. 73, tom n4zpt On 3/10/2011 10:56 AM, JAMES ROGERS wrote: I am sure what you say has value Tom. It just seems this one has been going on a while. It did prompt me to go out and look up Maxwells equations just to see what you were all talking about and it is interesting but the math is certainly over my head. I hope my comments did not offend anyone. If so, I apologize, sincerely. 73s Jim On Mar 10, 2011, at 9:42 AM, Tom Azlin N4ZPT wrote: Sorry you are not enjoying the thread James. Seems like many of the email on this reflector has nothing to do with the K3. I'm an average user of the K3 (and an in progress K2 builder). Talking about the actual equations and the history of their development seems to me to be of general interest to many of the readers of this list given the other responses. 73, tom n4zpt On 3/10/2011 10:06 AM, JAMES ROGERS wrote: Enough with the Maxwell Equations What in the world does this represent to the average K3 user? . On Mar 10, 2011, at 8:21 AM, Tom Azlin N4ZPT wrote: Hi Kevin, What was asserted in The Maxwellians was that Maxwell died in the middle of a rewrite. It did sound like there was a controversy on his particle (or little eddies?) form of the equations for a field approach. Perhaps that new version would have dropped the use of quaternions? Have not studied the equations since college, perhaps will go find the papers after I finish this history book. Thanks for the tip on locating the older forms. 73, tom n4zpt On 3/10/2011 1:46 AM, Kevin Rock wrote: There was a group which disliked his use of quaternions so he was forced to rewrite the system into other systems. Most of the work was carried out by others but for him to publish he needed peer review so he caved into the larger group. I am reading his original work from 1873 and finding it very enlightening. Even though I have studied the Heaviside-Gibb's version of the Maxwell equations many times the quaternions he used in the original paper were very hard to find. Luckily they are proliferating online these days. Kevin. KD5ONS On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 15:31:18 -0800, David Cutterd.cut...@ntlworld.com wrote: I don't recall that from his biography, I'll have to read it again. Interesting. David G3UNA Hi Kevin, Was not Maxwell that condensed the hard to understand original theory. Was some his disciples, aka The Maxwellians, that finished the theory in the present form. FitzGerald, Lodge, and Heavyside plus others. Am just now reading The Maxwellians that has this story. 73, tom n4zpt On 3/6/2011 5:37 PM, Kevin Rock wrote: I have always wondered how he condensed the original twenty equations in twenty unknowns down to just four of them. The quaternions he used initially were out a favor with the physics community of the day so he needed to get them into vector form. Heaviside did a good job but how do you characterize a system with twenty unknowns in four equations? What has been lost in the translation? Kevin. KD5ONS __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html JIM ROGERS, W4ATK w4...@bellsouth.net http://web.me.com/jimrogers_w4atk K3/100 P3 K2/10 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html JIM ROGERS, W4ATK w4...@bellsouth.net http://web.me.com/jimrogers_w4atk K3/100 P3 K2/10 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Maxwell's Equations.
Hi Kevin, Was not Maxwell that condensed the hard to understand original theory. Was some his disciples, aka The Maxwellians, that finished the theory in the present form. FitzGerald, Lodge, and Heavyside plus others. Am just now reading The Maxwellians that has this story. 73, tom n4zpt On 3/6/2011 5:37 PM, Kevin Rock wrote: I have always wondered how he condensed the original twenty equations in twenty unknowns down to just four of them. The quaternions he used initially were out a favor with the physics community of the day so he needed to get them into vector form. Heaviside did a good job but how do you characterize a system with twenty unknowns in four equations? What has been lost in the translation? Kevin. KD5ONS __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] internet remote to K3
Good options have been mentioned. Another option is the RemoteRig equipment at http://www.remoterig.com/ where one of the selections is for Elecraft radios. I have one but will be using it with my ts-480 that is over in a different state. 73, Tom n4zpt Chris Hembree wrote: Can you remote into the K3 from the internet and talk on your rig? Chris W7CTH __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] An alternate to USB/Serial converter?
Yes, use them all the time and they work just like built in serial ports. Both card slots are still on laptops being sold though the shift is to the express card format it seems. 73, Tom n4zpt On 3/17/2010 12:40 PM, David Christ wrote: The slots/ports on laptops seem to be an ever changing thing, but has anyone tried to use something like these to avoid the USB converter? Express card/34 http://www.ramelectronics.net/computer-parts/computer-i-o-cards/serial-port-cards/rs-232-serial-port-express-card-io-ecs120/prodIOECS120.html PCMCIA http://www.ramelectronics.net/computer-parts/computer-i-o-cards/serial-port-cards/io-cbs220/prodIOCBS220.html These are only two examples of what is out there. I suspect that card slots are disappearing off laptops these days too. However one might with a little searching find a laptop either new or used with such a port . I know that Apple and HP are currently selling laptops with express card slots. Both can run windows. David K0LUM __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Ethernet serial servers... Re: USB to serial angst
Hi Matt, Certainly. and not the point. Seems hard to use the USB adapter when my computer is next to me and the Ethernet to serial device is across town or across the country. You can get Ethernet based USB servers but they have the same latency behavior. If you are trying to operate a remote station then a two port serial server to handle your K3 and your character driven keyer would work, just I would not expect it to be like sitting in front of the radio. In particular QSK remote keying might never work too well unless you do not care about hearing the lag. Or listen with a local receiver. Same issues folks with the TenTec Omni-VII are experiencing. I have a pair of the RemoteRig units that I plan to use with my TS-480HX where I can keep my control head with me where ever I am and use the radio back at home or at the family cabin. Am hoping it will be OK for SSB and sound card digi modes. I see they now have the Elecraft K3 listed as supported. http://www.remoterig.com/ I am not using these ethernet serial devices with my K3s but rather with TNCs or repeater controllers or other serial devices that do not appear care about delays. Just like I was typing in them direct and paused for a moment before hitting the return key. With my K3s I use computers or laptops with real serial ports or PCMCIA/ExpressCard serial ports that look and behave just like real serial ports. 73, Tom n4zpt On 3/16/2010 11:30 AM, Matt Zilmer wrote: Because of the buffering done on the input side, most Enet - Serial adapters have worse basic transfer rates than USB adapters have. Datagrams may have only 10-12 characters in the payload. Try your unit with PortMon, and you'll see what I mean. The buffering of single characters also causes some latency issues, but the K3 is OK with these. The effect for remote control is very hard to see, but if you're using one of these adapters to reload firmware, you WILL see the lower transfer rate add up to a longer reload time. I've been using the BB ES1A on and off for several years with K3 #24. 73, matt W6NIA On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 07:13:45 -0400, you wrote: Tom, Those show promise. Keep us posted on the results of your experiments. What about latency? Does it work with QSK CW? How to handle the audio channel? To successfully work with existing applications, they would have to be addressable as a com port to any computer on the network. Since those adapters are for industrial applications rather than consumer, I would expect them to be less 'flaky'. That goes for the USB to serial adapters for industrial use as well - I noted that NetEon has industrial USB to RS-232 adapters too. 73, Don W3FPR Tom Azlin N4ZPT wrote: Hi Don, Several of us are playing with Ethernet hosted serial servers that plug into a router and have a one or more serial connectors. Put the serial server at a remote site like a repeater site with internet then run redirecter software on your local computer. Poof, you have one or more serial ports tunneled across the Internet. No computer needed at the far end. We have two different brands with two serial ports. Planning to connect a TNC and a repeater controller this way. http://www.neteon.net/Category/340-3/Serial-to-Ethernet is one http://www.opengear.com/product-acm5000.html http://www.lantronix.com/device-networking/external-device-servers/uds2100.html Is this what you mean by a plain Ethernet to serial converter? 73, Tom n4zpt __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Ethernet serial servers... Re: USB to serial angst
Hi Matt, I had the same need for serial ports but discovered I could get inexpensive PCMCIA serial and parallel port cards that worked exactly like built in serial ports or the docking adapters that fit my ThinkPad laptops. So ditched the USB converters. Once I get to go set up the TS-480 out in Arizona then I will start getting a feel for the RemoteRig. Then consider it for my K3 here at home. But as the K3 does not have a removable front panel then would need a computer on my local end where I do not need that with the TS-480 or the other HF rigs with removable front panels. But this is getting off of a K3 topic. Agree completely on latency. Getting low latency on a remote station might be too much until we can set the service quality on the entire path. 73, Tom n4zpt On 3/16/2010 2:32 PM, Matt Zilmer wrote: Hi Tom, Sorry, maybe I didn't say some of what I should have. My reasons for using Ethernet are similar to yours, at least when it comes to the K3. IP can be routed, where USB and serial (alone) cannot. This gives us the option of remote operation, the main goal. Whether for a K3 or other devices, the advantages may be the same. I haven't tinkered with the RemoteRig yet, but I've been thinking about it. A complete at-least-voice solution for remoting is my eventual goal. I agree that remote keying is probably not an option. I haven't even bothered trying that... Was just trying to answer Don's question about latency. Because of the buffering, it is more an issue than with USB. Serial is probably best of all - a dedicated interface with little overhead. If I had a serial port on ANY computer, I'd be using it on the K3. Instead I use a four-port Prolific-based USB-Serial adapter for most K3 (and related) things at home. 73, matt W6NIA K3 #24 K2 #2810 On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 13:52:41 -0400, you wrote: Hi Matt, Certainly. and not the point. Seems hard to use the USB adapter when my computer is next to me and the Ethernet to serial device is across town or across the country. You can get Ethernet based USB servers but they have the same latency behavior. If you are trying to operate a remote station then a two port serial server to handle your K3 and your character driven keyer would work, just I would not expect it to be like sitting in front of the radio. In particular QSK remote keying might never work too well unless you do not care about hearing the lag. Or listen with a local receiver. Same issues folks with the TenTec Omni-VII are experiencing. I have a pair of the RemoteRig units that I plan to use with my TS-480HX where I can keep my control head with me where ever I am and use the radio back at home or at the family cabin. Am hoping it will be OK for SSB and sound card digi modes. I see they now have the Elecraft K3 listed as supported. http://www.remoterig.com/ I am not using these ethernet serial devices with my K3s but rather with TNCs or repeater controllers or other serial devices that do not appear care about delays. Just like I was typing in them direct and paused for a moment before hitting the return key. With my K3s I use computers or laptops with real serial ports or PCMCIA/ExpressCard serial ports that look and behave just like real serial ports. 73, Tom n4zpt On 3/16/2010 11:30 AM, Matt Zilmer wrote: Because of the buffering done on the input side, most Enet - Serial adapters have worse basic transfer rates than USB adapters have. Datagrams may have only 10-12 characters in the payload. Try your unit with PortMon, and you'll see what I mean. The buffering of single characters also causes some latency issues, but the K3 is OK with these. The effect for remote control is very hard to see, but if you're using one of these adapters to reload firmware, you WILL see the lower transfer rate add up to a longer reload time. I've been using the BB ES1A on and off for several years with K3 #24. 73, matt W6NIA On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 07:13:45 -0400, you wrote: Tom, Those show promise. Keep us posted on the results of your experiments. What about latency? Does it work with QSK CW? How to handle the audio channel? To successfully work with existing applications, they would have to be addressable as a com port to any computer on the network. Since those adapters are for industrial applications rather than consumer, I would expect them to be less 'flaky'. That goes for the USB to serial adapters for industrial use as well - I noted that NetEon has industrial USB to RS-232 adapters too. 73, Don W3FPR Tom Azlin N4ZPT wrote: Hi Don, Several of us are playing with Ethernet hosted serial servers that plug into a router and have a one or more serial connectors. Put the serial server at a remote site like a repeater site with internet then run redirecter software on your local computer. Poof, you have one or more serial ports tunneled across the Internet. No computer needed
[Elecraft] Ethernet serial servers... Re: USB to serial angst
Hi Don, Several of us are playing with Ethernet hosted serial servers that plug into a router and have a one or more serial connectors. Put the serial server at a remote site like a repeater site with internet then run redirecter software on your local computer. Poof, you have one or more serial ports tunneled across the Internet. No computer needed at the far end. We have two different brands with two serial ports. Planning to connect a TNC and a repeater controller this way. http://www.neteon.net/Category/340-3/Serial-to-Ethernet is one http://www.opengear.com/product-acm5000.html http://www.lantronix.com/device-networking/external-device-servers/uds2100.html Is this what you mean by a plain Ethernet to serial converter? 73, Tom n4zpt On 3/15/2010 12:04 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: So show me an Ethernet to serial converter that can live at a device location without the need for a computer at the device end and I will concede. A plain Ethernet to serial converter is not that sophisticated (unless someone has found one that I have not looked at, or the price for the embedded copmuter is excessive). __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Ethernet serial servers... Re: USB to serial angst
Oh, will try testing the neteon one with LP-Bridge since I have it here in the shack. 73, tom On 3/16/2010 12:05 AM, Tom Azlin N4ZPT wrote: Hi Don, Several of us are playing with Ethernet hosted serial servers that plug into a router and have a one or more serial connectors. Put the serial server at a remote site like a repeater site with internet then run redirecter software on your local computer. Poof, you have one or more serial ports tunneled across the Internet. No computer needed at the far end. We have two different brands with two serial ports. Planning to connect a TNC and a repeater controller this way. http://www.neteon.net/Category/340-3/Serial-to-Ethernet is one http://www.opengear.com/product-acm5000.html http://www.lantronix.com/device-networking/external-device-servers/uds2100.html Is this what you mean by a plain Ethernet to serial converter? 73, Tom n4zpt On 3/15/2010 12:04 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: So show me an Ethernet to serial converter that can live at a device location without the need for a computer at the device end and I will concede. A plain Ethernet to serial converter is not that sophisticated (unless someone has found one that I have not looked at, or the price for the embedded copmuter is excessive). __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
