Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility

[David Haines]

I just installed the latest version of the KX3 Utility from Elecraft.  
The only glitch was when Windows Defender tried to protect me from bad 
people, but I knew Elecraft wasn't bad people, so overrode the warning.  
All went well otherwise.


david
KC1DNY

On 7/26/2023 3:24 PM, Dave wrote:

Is there a problem with the KX3 Utility? I download the Windows version and get 
this:

KX3_Utility_Setup_1_23_5_22.exe isn’t commonly downloaded

It doesn’t seem to be an .exe file   ??

Any help appreciated.

Tnx,
Dave N8AG


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[Elecraft] KX3 Utility

[Dave]

Is there a problem with the KX3 Utility? I download the Windows version and get 
this:

KX3_Utility_Setup_1_23_5_22.exe isn’t commonly downloaded

It doesn’t seem to be an .exe file   ??

Any help appreciated.

Tnx,
Dave N8AG


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Re: [Elecraft] kx3 utility

[1lasportsman 1lasportsman]

The magic computer tech fixed it. Thanks for the help.
Unplugged the cable and turned all off then turned on and connected cable again 
and it worked.
Thanks to all that replied.
Bill
WF9M

> On April 2, 2020 at 12:07 PM 1lasportsman 1lasportsman <1lasports...@cox.net 
> mailto:1lasports...@cox.net > wrote:
> 
> 
> I am using the KXusb cable from computer and acc1 plug on radio but it 
> does not connect with radio.
> Do I need to change the radio speed to 38400 or is it automatic?
> If so looked in manual and did not see how
> Bill
> 
> > > On April 2, 2020 at 11:54 AM Jack Brindle  mailto:jackbrin...@me.com mailto:jackbrin...@me.com mailto:jackbrin...@me.com 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > The utility is telling you that it is communicating with your KX3 
> > at 38400 bits/sec. The KX3 has firmware revision 2.90.
> > This is not an error message. It appears to be working just fine.
> > 
> > 73!
> > Jack, W6FB
> > > > On Apr 2, 2020, at 9:41 AM, 1lasportsman 1lasportsman 
> > <1lasports...@cox.net mailto:1lasports...@cox.net 
> > mailto:1lasports...@cox.net mailto:1lasports...@cox.net > wrote:
> > 
> > > > > I am trying to use the utility to see radio
> > > 
> > > I am getting this error message
> > > 
> > > KX3 MCU revision 02.90 rs232 speed 38400 bit/s
> > > 
> > > IT worked before but I get this now
> > > 
> > > any ideas the radio works fine but no utility with computer 
> > > .I tried this on 2 computers same error.
> > > 
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Re: [Elecraft] kx3 utility

[1lasportsman 1lasportsman]

I am using the KXusb cable from computer and acc1 plug on radio but it does not 
connect with radio.
Do I need to change the radio speed to 38400 or is it automatic?
If so looked in manual and did not see how
Bill

> On April 2, 2020 at 11:54 AM Jack Brindle  mailto:jackbrin...@me.com > wrote:
> 
> 
> The utility is telling you that it is communicating with your KX3 at 
> 38400 bits/sec. The KX3 has firmware revision 2.90.
> This is not an error message. It appears to be working just fine.
> 
> 73!
> Jack, W6FB
> 
> > > On Apr 2, 2020, at 9:41 AM, 1lasportsman 1lasportsman 
> <1lasports...@cox.net mailto:1lasports...@cox.net > wrote:
> > 
> > I am trying to use the utility to see radio
> > 
> > I am getting this error message
> > 
> > KX3 MCU revision 02.90 rs232 speed 38400 bit/s
> > 
> > IT worked before but I get this now
> > 
> > any ideas the radio works fine but no utility with computer .I 
> > tried this on 2 computers same error.
> > 
> > Bill
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Re: [Elecraft] kx3 utility

[Jack Brindle via Elecraft]

The utility is telling you that it is communicating with your KX3 at 38400 
bits/sec. The KX3 has firmware revision 2.90.
This is not an error message. It appears to be working just fine.

73!
Jack, W6FB


> On Apr 2, 2020, at 9:41 AM, 1lasportsman 1lasportsman <1lasports...@cox.net> 
> wrote:
> 
> I am trying to use the utility to see radio
> 
> I am getting this error message
> 
> KX3 MCU revision 02.90 rs232 speed 38400 bit/s
> 
> IT worked before but I get this now
> 
> any ideas the radio works fine but no utility with computer .I tried this on 
> 2 computers same error.
> 
> Bill
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[Elecraft] kx3 utility

[1lasportsman 1lasportsman]

I am trying to use the utility to see radio

I am getting this error message

KX3 MCU revision 02.90 rs232 speed 38400 bit/s

IT worked before but I get this now

any ideas the radio works fine but no utility with computer .I tried this on 2 
computers same error.

Bill

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility Terminal window for CW

[David Haines]

Fred says "Optionally, you can use the KX3 Utility to monitor an 
extended display of characters sent from the KX3's keyer."  I assume 
"keyer" could refer to the paddle connected to the KX3.


I can type characters into the Utility Terminal lower window and 
Transmit the CW.  The characters sent are displayed in the top window.


david

KC1DNY

On 12/31/2019 7:48 PM, Ingo Meyer, DK3RED wrote:

Hello David,

I'm enjoying and getting a lot out of our CW discussion.  I've tried 
to use the KX3 uUtility for practice sending CW.


p. 60 of Fred Cady's big, excellent Elecraft KX-Line book says I 
shouldbe able to use the Terminal window of the Utility to display 
the text of the CW I'm sending, but I've never been able to get it to 
work.


Any ideas? 


I use the "Terminal Window" of "Elecraft KX3 Utility" for typing CW 
via keyboard.And the characters sent are displayed.


But I can't decode characters given with the key. Only via keyboard - 
butthat was not your intention. Did Fred Cady write if they were the 
characters entered with a key or with a keyboard?


73/72 de Ingo, DK3RED - Don't forget: the fun is the power!
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[Elecraft] KX3 Utility Terminal window for CW

[Dan Baker]

Don,
I think you just defined analog vs digital CW.

HNY, Dan KM6CQ

Ingo and all,







*The characters entered with the keyboard will be perfectly formed,If
entered via paddles, bug ot hand key, they may not be perfectly formed and
may not be decoded properly.This is a tool that can be used to practice
your sending.73 and HNY,Don W3FPR*
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility Terminal window for CW

[Don Wilhelm]

Ingo and all,

The characters entered with the keyboard will be perfectly formed,
If entered via paddles, bug ot hand key, they may not be perfectly 
formed and may not be decoded properly.

This is a tool that can be used to practice your sending.

73 and HNY,
Don W3FPR

On 12/31/2019 7:48 PM, Ingo Meyer, DK3RED wrote:

Hello David,

I'm enjoying and getting a lot out of our CW discussion.  I've tried 
to use the KX3 uUtility for practice sending CW.


p. 60 of Fred Cady's big, excellent Elecraft KX-Line book says I 
shouldbe able to use the Terminal window of the Utility to display the 
text of the CW I'm sending, but I've never been able to get it to work.

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility Terminal window for CW

[Ingo Meyer, DK3RED]

Hello David,

I'm enjoying and getting a lot out of our CW discussion.  I've tried to use the KX3 
uUtility for practice sending CW.


p. 60 of Fred Cady's big, excellent Elecraft KX-Line book says I shouldbe able to use the 
Terminal window of the Utility to display the text of the CW I'm sending, but I've never 
been able to get it to work.


Any ideas? 


I use the "Terminal Window" of "Elecraft KX3 Utility" for typing CW via keyboard.And the 
characters sent are displayed.


But I can't decode characters given with the key. Only via keyboard - butthat was not your 
intention. Did Fred Cady write if they were the characters entered with a key or with a 
keyboard?


73/72 de Ingo, DK3RED - Don't forget: the fun is the power!
www.qrp4fun.de - dk3...@qrp4fun.de


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[Elecraft] KX3 Utility Terminal window for CW

[David Haines]

I'm enjoying and getting a lot out of our CW discussion.  I've tried to 
use the KX3 uUtility for practice sending CW.


p. 60 of Fred Cady's big, excellent Elecraft KX-Line book says I should 
be able to use the Terminal window of the Utility to display the text of 
the CW I'm sending, but I've never been able to get it to work.


Any ideas?

david

KC!DNY


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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility problem: serial port is closed

[Don Sayler]

I use a powered hub with my K3S, no problems. I  haven't tried it with an 
unpowered one.
Granted, maybe the KX3 is different...

-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Hank
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2019 8:10 AM
To: Raymond Sills; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility problem: serial port is closed





Ray...
I did not realize that!� I did RTFM - I promise.� I guessed I missed that one. 
It has worked under the 1st configuration ever since I bought the KX3.� One day 
it changed - I was blaming a Windows update.


My K3s is connected to a USB hub external to my desktop PC and works OK - Of 
course, the K3s is a USB device.


Mystery solved!!


Hank
K4HYJ






-Original Message-
From: "Raymond Sills" 
To: h...@optilink.us
Date: 04/15/19 08:22
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility problem: serial port is closed

Hi Hank:


It's always been the case when using the Elecraft Utility, that you need to 
connect the rig directly to your computer, using the Elecraft cable with no 
other devices in line. �That's why you succeeded with case 3.


:)


73 de Ray
K2ULR
KX3 #211



-Original Message-
From: HB 
To: Nr4c ; Andy McMullin 
Cc: Elecraft list 
Sent: Sun, Apr 14, 2019 10:17 pm
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility problem: serial port is closed

Okay�some weirdness, but I can get the software to work.� Here is what I have 
done (some help from you guys, some help from the IT guys where I work, and the 
internet).� It's a little complex�

Configuration 1: My laptop is connected via USB to a PK-232SC+ which has a 2 
port USB hub built in - my KXUSB is plugged in there.� Under this 
configuration, no joy with the KX3 Utility recognizing the COM port.

Configuration 2: My laptop is connected to the KX3 directly via USB port.� 
Under this configuration, no joy with the KX3 Utility recognizing the COM port.

Configuration 3: My laptop is connected to the KX3 directly via USB port.� 
Under COM port settings for the KX3USB connected port,� I changed the latency 
timer to 8 ms from 16 ms.� Under this configuration, the KX3 Utility recognizes 
the COM port every time.

Returning to configuration one with the lower latency timer setting does not 
allow the KX3 utility to see the com port, so no joy there.

BUT - it's a weird BUT - If I connect the KXUSB directly to the laptop, open 
the utility and connect, disconnect the KX3USB from the laptop and connect it 
to the hub built in to the PK-232sc+, it works as long as I don't exit the KX3 
utility software.� I can even close the serial port in the software, BUT as 
long as I don't exit the software, I can reopen the serial port and it works 
fine.� I can close the port and use other software that needs the KXUSB as long 
as I don't exit the KX3 utility program (just leave it minimized) it works when 
I need it.

How crazy is that?� Any gurus figure that one out??

Hank
K4HYJ


From: Nr4c
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2019 3:31 PM
To: Andy McMullin
Cc: Elecraft list
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility problem: serial port is closed

On the FTDI site there is a removal tool. Use it to wipe away com port drivers. 
Then re-install the FTDI drivers for your KUSB or KXUSB cable.

Good luck!

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Apr 14, 2019, at 2:38 PM, Andy McMullin via Elecraft 
>  wrote:
>
> Can I just add that at the stage that says reboot, you should really shut 
> down the machine, wait a bit, then
> Restart. Sometimes a USB port is not physically but just logically reset by a 
> reboot.
>
> I hope this helps
>
> Regards
> Andy, G8TQH
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 14 Apr 2019, at 18:17, Tom  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> Sometimes driver software can be a pain...
>> Try this.
>> 1) Open the device manager and select the comport by right clicking on it.
>> 2) Check the box to delete the driver software and uninstall.
>> 3) Unplug the USB cable.
>> 4) Reboot
>> 5) Next run the FTDI driver installation.� When prompted or when complete, 
>> plug the USB cable back in.
>> Sometimes, windows will keep reinstalling the same driver if the files have 
>> not been deleted.
>> 73 Tom
>> va2fsq.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net  On 
>> Behalf Of HB
>> Sent: April 14, 2019 12:47 PM
>> To: donw...@embarqmail.com; 'Dick Dievendorff' 
>> Cc: 'Elecraft list' 
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility problem: serial port is closed
>>
>> I have done all of those things and no change.� As I said every other piece 
>> of software that needs the KXUSB grabs it and uses it fine - just not the 
>> utility software.
>>
>> There is something to the driver installation - it shows as incomplete, but 
>> rein

Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility problem: serial port is closed

[Bill Frantz]

I can, and almost always do, use the K3/P3/KX3 utilities through 
a hub to my Elecraft USB <--> RS232 cable or K3 upgraded 
internal equivalent from my Mac. The connection between the two 
USB <--> RS232 connections persist over shutting down and moving 
the computer.


What is going on with Windows USB support?

73 Bill AE6JV

On 4/15/19 at 8:10 AM, h...@optilink.us (Hank) wrote:

It's always been the case when using the Elecraft Utility, that 
you need to connect the rig directly to your computer, using 
the Elecraft cable with no other devices in line.  That's 
why you succeeded with case 3.


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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility problem: serial port is closed

[Hank]

Ray...
I did not realize that!  I did RTFM - I promise.  I guessed I missed that one. 
It has worked under the 1st configuration ever since I bought the KX3.  One day 
it changed - I was blaming a Windows update.


My K3s is connected to a USB hub external to my desktop PC and works OK - Of 
course, the K3s is a USB device.


Mystery solved!!


Hank
K4HYJ






-Original Message-
From: "Raymond Sills" 
To: h...@optilink.us
Date: 04/15/19 08:22
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility problem: serial port is closed

Hi Hank:


It's always been the case when using the Elecraft Utility, that you need to 
connect the rig directly to your computer, using the Elecraft cable with no 
other devices in line.  That's why you succeeded with case 3.


:)


73 de Ray
K2ULR
KX3 #211



-Original Message-
From: HB 
To: Nr4c ; Andy McMullin 
Cc: Elecraft list 
Sent: Sun, Apr 14, 2019 10:17 pm
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility problem: serial port is closed

Okay…some weirdness, but I can get the software to work.  Here is what I have 
done (some help from you guys, some help from the IT guys where I work, and the 
internet).  It's a little complex…

Configuration 1: My laptop is connected via USB to a PK-232SC+ which has a 2 
port USB hub built in - my KXUSB is plugged in there.  Under this 
configuration, no joy with the KX3 Utility recognizing the COM port.

Configuration 2: My laptop is connected to the KX3 directly via USB port.  
Under this configuration, no joy with the KX3 Utility recognizing the COM port.

Configuration 3: My laptop is connected to the KX3 directly via USB port.  
Under COM port settings for the KX3USB connected port,  I changed the latency 
timer to 8 ms from 16 ms.  Under this configuration, the KX3 Utility recognizes 
the COM port every time.

Returning to configuration one with the lower latency timer setting does not 
allow the KX3 utility to see the com port, so no joy there.

BUT - it's a weird BUT - If I connect the KXUSB directly to the laptop, open 
the utility and connect, disconnect the KX3USB from the laptop and connect it 
to the hub built in to the PK-232sc+, it works as long as I don't exit the KX3 
utility software.  I can even close the serial port in the software, BUT as 
long as I don't exit the software, I can reopen the serial port and it works 
fine.  I can close the port and use other software that needs the KXUSB as long 
as I don't exit the KX3 utility program (just leave it minimized) it works when 
I need it.

How crazy is that?  Any gurus figure that one out??

Hank
K4HYJ


From: Nr4c
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2019 3:31 PM
To: Andy McMullin
Cc: Elecraft list
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility problem: serial port is closed

On the FTDI site there is a removal tool. Use it to wipe away com port drivers. 
Then re-install the FTDI drivers for your KUSB or KXUSB cable.

Good luck!

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Apr 14, 2019, at 2:38 PM, Andy McMullin via Elecraft 
>  wrote:
>
> Can I just add that at the stage that says reboot, you should really shut 
> down the machine, wait a bit, then
> Restart. Sometimes a USB port is not physically but just logically reset by a 
> reboot.
>
> I hope this helps
>
> Regards
> Andy, G8TQH
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 14 Apr 2019, at 18:17, Tom  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> Sometimes driver software can be a pain...
>> Try this.
>> 1) Open the device manager and select the comport by right clicking on it.
>> 2) Check the box to delete the driver software and uninstall.
>> 3) Unplug the USB cable.
>> 4) Reboot
>> 5) Next run the FTDI driver installation.  When prompted or when complete, 
>> plug the USB cable back in.
>> Sometimes, windows will keep reinstalling the same driver if the files have 
>> not been deleted.
>> 73 Tom
>> va2fsq.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net  On 
>> Behalf Of HB
>> Sent: April 14, 2019 12:47 PM
>> To: donw...@embarqmail.com; 'Dick Dievendorff' 
>> Cc: 'Elecraft list' 
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility problem: serial port is closed
>>
>> I have done all of those things and no change.  As I said every other piece 
>> of software that needs the KXUSB grabs it and uses it fine - just not the 
>> utility software.
>>
>> There is something to the driver installation - it shows as incomplete, but 
>> reinstalling the FTDI drivers from the FTDI website still does not fix the 
>> problem.  There is still an event message saying that the installation did 
>> not complete.
>>
>> I realizer this is not an Elecraft issue, I'm just looking for help.
>>
>> Hank
>> K4HYJ
>>
>> From: Don Wilhelm
>> Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2019 11:09 AM
>> To: h..

Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility problem: serial port is closed

[Bill Johnson]

Do you have a desktop virus?  A major cause of what you are experiencing.?

Bill
920-421-1172


From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net  on 
behalf of HB 
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2019 9:17:13 PM
To: Nr4c; Andy McMullin
Cc: Elecraft list
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility problem: serial port is closed

Okay…some weirdness, but I can get the software to work.  Here is what I have 
done (some help from you guys, some help from the IT guys where I work, and the 
internet).  It’s a little complex…

Configuration 1: My laptop is connected via USB to a PK-232SC+ which has a 2 
port USB hub built in – my KXUSB is plugged in there.  Under this 
configuration, no joy with the KX3 Utility recognizing the COM port.

Configuration 2: My laptop is connected to the KX3 directly via USB port.  
Under this configuration, no joy with the KX3 Utility recognizing the COM port.

Configuration 3: My laptop is connected to the KX3 directly via USB port.  
Under COM port settings for the KX3USB connected port,  I changed the latency 
timer to 8 ms from 16 ms.  Under this configuration, the KX3 Utility recognizes 
the COM port every time.

Returning to configuration one with the lower latency timer setting does not 
allow the KX3 utility to see the com port, so no joy there.

BUT – it’s a weird BUT – If I connect the KXUSB directly to the laptop, open 
the utility and connect, disconnect the KX3USB from the laptop and connect it 
to the hub built in to the PK-232sc+, it works as long as I don’t exit the KX3 
utility software.  I can even close the serial port in the software, BUT as 
long as I don’t exit the software, I can reopen the serial port and it works 
fine.  I can close the port and use other software that needs the KXUSB as long 
as I don’t exit the KX3 utility program (just leave it minimized) it works when 
I need it.

How crazy is that?  Any gurus figure that one out??

Hank
K4HYJ


From: Nr4c
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2019 3:31 PM
To: Andy McMullin
Cc: Elecraft list
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility problem: serial port is closed

On the FTDI site there is a removal tool. Use it to wipe away com port drivers. 
Then re-install the FTDI drivers for your KUSB or KXUSB cable.

Good luck!

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Apr 14, 2019, at 2:38 PM, Andy McMullin via Elecraft 
>  wrote:
>
> Can I just add that at the stage that says reboot, you should really shut 
> down the machine, wait a bit, then
> Restart. Sometimes a USB port is not physically but just logically reset by a 
> reboot.
>
> I hope this helps
>
> Regards
> Andy, G8TQH
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 14 Apr 2019, at 18:17, Tom  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> Sometimes driver software can be a pain...
>> Try this.
>> 1) Open the device manager and select the comport by right clicking on it.
>> 2) Check the box to delete the driver software and uninstall.
>> 3) Unplug the USB cable.
>> 4) Reboot
>> 5) Next run the FTDI driver installation.  When prompted or when complete, 
>> plug the USB cable back in.
>> Sometimes, windows will keep reinstalling the same driver if the files have 
>> not been deleted.
>> 73 Tom
>> va2fsq.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net  On 
>> Behalf Of HB
>> Sent: April 14, 2019 12:47 PM
>> To: donw...@embarqmail.com; 'Dick Dievendorff' 
>> Cc: 'Elecraft list' 
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility problem: serial port is closed
>>
>> I have done all of those things and no change.  As I said every other piece 
>> of software that needs the KXUSB grabs it and uses it fine – just not the 
>> utility software.
>>
>> There is something to the driver installation – it shows as incomplete, but 
>> reinstalling the FTDI drivers from the FTDI website still does not fix the 
>> problem.  There is still an event message saying that the installation did 
>> not complete.
>>
>> I realizer this is not an Elecraft issue, I’m just looking for help.
>>
>> Hank
>> K4HYJ
>>
>> From: Don Wilhelm
>> Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2019 11:09 AM
>> To: h...@optilink.us; 'Dick Dievendorff'
>> Cc: 'Elecraft list'
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility problem: serial port is closed
>>
>> Hank,
>>
>> Installing KX3 Utility will do nothing for changing what your computer does 
>> about COM Ports vs USB port assignment.  It is now apparent that your 
>> computer is not properly recognizing the FTDI USB to Serial adapter.
>>
>> Download and install the FTDI drivers from the FTDI website.
>> What you are trying to deal with is an FTDI USB to Serial adapter.  Just 
>> because the 

Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility problem: serial port is closed

[HB]

Okay…some weirdness, but I can get the software to work.  Here is what I have 
done (some help from you guys, some help from the IT guys where I work, and the 
internet).  It’s a little complex…

Configuration 1: My laptop is connected via USB to a PK-232SC+ which has a 2 
port USB hub built in – my KXUSB is plugged in there.  Under this 
configuration, no joy with the KX3 Utility recognizing the COM port.

Configuration 2: My laptop is connected to the KX3 directly via USB port.  
Under this configuration, no joy with the KX3 Utility recognizing the COM port.

Configuration 3: My laptop is connected to the KX3 directly via USB port.  
Under COM port settings for the KX3USB connected port,  I changed the latency 
timer to 8 ms from 16 ms.  Under this configuration, the KX3 Utility recognizes 
the COM port every time.

Returning to configuration one with the lower latency timer setting does not 
allow the KX3 utility to see the com port, so no joy there.

BUT – it’s a weird BUT – If I connect the KXUSB directly to the laptop, open 
the utility and connect, disconnect the KX3USB from the laptop and connect it 
to the hub built in to the PK-232sc+, it works as long as I don’t exit the KX3 
utility software.  I can even close the serial port in the software, BUT as 
long as I don’t exit the software, I can reopen the serial port and it works 
fine.  I can close the port and use other software that needs the KXUSB as long 
as I don’t exit the KX3 utility program (just leave it minimized) it works when 
I need it.

How crazy is that?  Any gurus figure that one out??

Hank
K4HYJ


From: Nr4c
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2019 3:31 PM
To: Andy McMullin
Cc: Elecraft list
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility problem: serial port is closed

On the FTDI site there is a removal tool. Use it to wipe away com port drivers. 
Then re-install the FTDI drivers for your KUSB or KXUSB cable. 

Good luck!

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Apr 14, 2019, at 2:38 PM, Andy McMullin via Elecraft 
>  wrote:
> 
> Can I just add that at the stage that says reboot, you should really shut 
> down the machine, wait a bit, then
> Restart. Sometimes a USB port is not physically but just logically reset by a 
> reboot. 
> 
> I hope this helps
> 
> Regards
> Andy, G8TQH
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 14 Apr 2019, at 18:17, Tom  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> Sometimes driver software can be a pain...
>> Try this.
>> 1) Open the device manager and select the comport by right clicking on it.
>> 2) Check the box to delete the driver software and uninstall.
>> 3) Unplug the USB cable.
>> 4) Reboot
>> 5) Next run the FTDI driver installation.  When prompted or when complete, 
>> plug the USB cable back in.
>> Sometimes, windows will keep reinstalling the same driver if the files have 
>> not been deleted.
>> 73 Tom
>> va2fsq.com
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net  On 
>> Behalf Of HB
>> Sent: April 14, 2019 12:47 PM
>> To: donw...@embarqmail.com; 'Dick Dievendorff' 
>> Cc: 'Elecraft list' 
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility problem: serial port is closed
>> 
>> I have done all of those things and no change.  As I said every other piece 
>> of software that needs the KXUSB grabs it and uses it fine – just not the 
>> utility software.
>> 
>> There is something to the driver installation – it shows as incomplete, but 
>> reinstalling the FTDI drivers from the FTDI website still does not fix the 
>> problem.  There is still an event message saying that the installation did 
>> not complete.
>> 
>> I realizer this is not an Elecraft issue, I’m just looking for help.
>> 
>> Hank
>> K4HYJ
>> 
>> From: Don Wilhelm
>> Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2019 11:09 AM
>> To: h...@optilink.us; 'Dick Dievendorff'
>> Cc: 'Elecraft list'
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility problem: serial port is closed
>> 
>> Hank,
>> 
>> Installing KX3 Utility will do nothing for changing what your computer does 
>> about COM Ports vs USB port assignment.  It is now apparent that your 
>> computer is not properly recognizing the FTDI USB to Serial adapter.
>> 
>> Download and install the FTDI drivers from the FTDI website.
>> What you are trying to deal with is an FTDI USB to Serial adapter.  Just 
>> because the KXUSB cable is sold by Elecraft does not c

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility problem: serial port is closed

[Nr4c]

On the FTDI site there is a removal tool. Use it to wipe away com port drivers. 
Then re-install the FTDI drivers for your KUSB or KXUSB cable. 

Good luck!

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Apr 14, 2019, at 2:38 PM, Andy McMullin via Elecraft 
>  wrote:
> 
> Can I just add that at the stage that says reboot, you should really shut 
> down the machine, wait a bit, then
> Restart. Sometimes a USB port is not physically but just logically reset by a 
> reboot. 
> 
> I hope this helps
> 
> Regards
> Andy, G8TQH
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 14 Apr 2019, at 18:17, Tom  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> Sometimes driver software can be a pain...
>> Try this.
>> 1) Open the device manager and select the comport by right clicking on it.
>> 2) Check the box to delete the driver software and uninstall.
>> 3) Unplug the USB cable.
>> 4) Reboot
>> 5) Next run the FTDI driver installation.  When prompted or when complete, 
>> plug the USB cable back in.
>> Sometimes, windows will keep reinstalling the same driver if the files have 
>> not been deleted.
>> 73 Tom
>> va2fsq.com
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net  On 
>> Behalf Of HB
>> Sent: April 14, 2019 12:47 PM
>> To: donw...@embarqmail.com; 'Dick Dievendorff' 
>> Cc: 'Elecraft list' 
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility problem: serial port is closed
>> 
>> I have done all of those things and no change.  As I said every other piece 
>> of software that needs the KXUSB grabs it and uses it fine – just not the 
>> utility software.
>> 
>> There is something to the driver installation – it shows as incomplete, but 
>> reinstalling the FTDI drivers from the FTDI website still does not fix the 
>> problem.  There is still an event message saying that the installation did 
>> not complete.
>> 
>> I realizer this is not an Elecraft issue, I’m just looking for help.
>> 
>> Hank
>> K4HYJ
>> 
>> From: Don Wilhelm
>> Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2019 11:09 AM
>> To: h...@optilink.us; 'Dick Dievendorff'
>> Cc: 'Elecraft list'
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility problem: serial port is closed
>> 
>> Hank,
>> 
>> Installing KX3 Utility will do nothing for changing what your computer does 
>> about COM Ports vs USB port assignment.  It is now apparent that your 
>> computer is not properly recognizing the FTDI USB to Serial adapter.
>> 
>> Download and install the FTDI drivers from the FTDI website.
>> What you are trying to deal with is an FTDI USB to Serial adapter.  Just 
>> because the KXUSB cable is sold by Elecraft does not c

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility problem: serial port is closed

[Andy McMullin via Elecraft]

Can I just add that at the stage that says reboot, you should really shut down 
the machine, wait a bit, then
Restart. Sometimes a USB port is not physically but just logically reset by a 
reboot. 

I hope this helps

Regards
Andy, G8TQH

Sent from my iPhone

> On 14 Apr 2019, at 18:17, Tom  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Sometimes driver software can be a pain...
> Try this.
> 1) Open the device manager and select the comport by right clicking on it.
> 2) Check the box to delete the driver software and uninstall.
> 3) Unplug the USB cable.
> 4) Reboot
> 5) Next run the FTDI driver installation.  When prompted or when complete, 
> plug the USB cable back in.
> Sometimes, windows will keep reinstalling the same driver if the files have 
> not been deleted.
> 73 Tom
> va2fsq.com
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net  On 
> Behalf Of HB
> Sent: April 14, 2019 12:47 PM
> To: donw...@embarqmail.com; 'Dick Dievendorff' 
> Cc: 'Elecraft list' 
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility problem: serial port is closed
> 
> I have done all of those things and no change.  As I said every other piece 
> of software that needs the KXUSB grabs it and uses it fine – just not the 
> utility software.
> 
> There is something to the driver installation – it shows as incomplete, but 
> reinstalling the FTDI drivers from the FTDI website still does not fix the 
> problem.  There is still an event message saying that the installation did 
> not complete.
> 
> I realizer this is not an Elecraft issue, I’m just looking for help.
> 
> Hank
> K4HYJ
> 
> From: Don Wilhelm
> Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2019 11:09 AM
> To: h...@optilink.us; 'Dick Dievendorff'
> Cc: 'Elecraft list'
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility problem: serial port is closed
> 
> Hank,
> 
> Installing KX3 Utility will do nothing for changing what your computer does 
> about COM Ports vs USB port assignment.  It is now apparent that your 
> computer is not properly recognizing the FTDI USB to Serial adapter.
> 
> Download and install the FTDI drivers from the FTDI website.
> What you are trying to deal with is an FTDI USB to Serial adapter.  Just 
> because the KXUSB cable is sold by Elecraft does not change that fact - the 
> FTDI chipset is not an Elecraft device, but an FTDI device even though it is 
> included in the KXUSB.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 4/14/2019 10:06 AM, h...@optilink.us wrote:
>> Reinstalling the KX3 utility software from the Elecraft site did nothing.
>> 
>> How can I check the registry values on the PC to know if that is the cause?
>> 
>> Hank
>> K4HYJ
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Dick Dievendorff 
>> Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2019 12:47 AM
>> To: donw...@embarqmail.com
>> Cc: HB ; Elecraft list 
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility problem: serial port is closed
>> 
>> The kx3 gets its inventory of com ports from registry values populated by 
>> complete device driver installation.
>> 
>> Dick, K6KR
>> 
>> 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility problem: serial port is closed

[Tom]

Hi,
Sometimes driver software can be a pain...
Try this.
1) Open the device manager and select the comport by right clicking on it.
2) Check the box to delete the driver software and uninstall.
3) Unplug the USB cable.
4) Reboot
5) Next run the FTDI driver installation.  When prompted or when complete, plug 
the USB cable back in.
Sometimes, windows will keep reinstalling the same driver if the files have not 
been deleted.
73 Tom
va2fsq.com
 

-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net  On 
Behalf Of HB
Sent: April 14, 2019 12:47 PM
To: donw...@embarqmail.com; 'Dick Dievendorff' 
Cc: 'Elecraft list' 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility problem: serial port is closed

I have done all of those things and no change.  As I said every other piece of 
software that needs the KXUSB grabs it and uses it fine – just not the utility 
software.

There is something to the driver installation – it shows as incomplete, but 
reinstalling the FTDI drivers from the FTDI website still does not fix the 
problem.  There is still an event message saying that the installation did not 
complete.

I realizer this is not an Elecraft issue, I’m just looking for help.

Hank
K4HYJ

From: Don Wilhelm
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2019 11:09 AM
To: h...@optilink.us; 'Dick Dievendorff'
Cc: 'Elecraft list'
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility problem: serial port is closed

Hank,

Installing KX3 Utility will do nothing for changing what your computer does 
about COM Ports vs USB port assignment.  It is now apparent that your computer 
is not properly recognizing the FTDI USB to Serial adapter.

Download and install the FTDI drivers from the FTDI website.
What you are trying to deal with is an FTDI USB to Serial adapter.  Just 
because the KXUSB cable is sold by Elecraft does not change that fact - the 
FTDI chipset is not an Elecraft device, but an FTDI device even though it is 
included in the KXUSB.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/14/2019 10:06 AM, h...@optilink.us wrote:
> Reinstalling the KX3 utility software from the Elecraft site did nothing.
>
> How can I check the registry values on the PC to know if that is the cause?
>
> Hank
> K4HYJ
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dick Dievendorff 
> Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2019 12:47 AM
> To: donw...@embarqmail.com
> Cc: HB ; Elecraft list 
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility problem: serial port is closed
>
> The kx3 gets its inventory of com ports from registry values populated by 
> complete device driver installation.
>
> Dick, K6KR
>
>

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility problem: serial port is closed

[HB]

I have done all of those things and no change.  As I said every other piece of 
software that needs the KXUSB grabs it and uses it fine – just not the utility 
software.

There is something to the driver installation – it shows as incomplete, but 
reinstalling the FTDI drivers from the FTDI website still does not fix the 
problem.  There is still an event message saying that the installation did not 
complete.

I realizer this is not an Elecraft issue, I’m just looking for help.

Hank
K4HYJ

From: Don Wilhelm
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2019 11:09 AM
To: h...@optilink.us; 'Dick Dievendorff'
Cc: 'Elecraft list'
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility problem: serial port is closed

Hank,

Installing KX3 Utility will do nothing for changing what your computer 
does about COM Ports vs USB port assignment.  It is now apparent that 
your computer is not properly recognizing the FTDI USB to Serial adapter.

Download and install the FTDI drivers from the FTDI website.
What you are trying to deal with is an FTDI USB to Serial adapter.  Just 
because the KXUSB cable is sold by Elecraft does not change that fact - 
the FTDI chipset is not an Elecraft device, but an FTDI device even 
though it is included in the KXUSB.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/14/2019 10:06 AM, h...@optilink.us wrote:
> Reinstalling the KX3 utility software from the Elecraft site did nothing.
>
> How can I check the registry values on the PC to know if that is the cause?
>
> Hank
> K4HYJ
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dick Dievendorff 
> Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2019 12:47 AM
> To: donw...@embarqmail.com
> Cc: HB ; Elecraft list 
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility problem: serial port is closed
>
> The kx3 gets its inventory of com ports from registry values populated by 
> complete device driver installation.
>
> Dick, K6KR
>
>

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility problem: serial port is closed

[Don Wilhelm]

Hank,

Installing KX3 Utility will do nothing for changing what your computer 
does about COM Ports vs USB port assignment.  It is now apparent that 
your computer is not properly recognizing the FTDI USB to Serial adapter.


Download and install the FTDI drivers from the FTDI website.
What you are trying to deal with is an FTDI USB to Serial adapter.  Just 
because the KXUSB cable is sold by Elecraft does not change that fact - 
the FTDI chipset is not an Elecraft device, but an FTDI device even 
though it is included in the KXUSB.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/14/2019 10:06 AM, h...@optilink.us wrote:

Reinstalling the KX3 utility software from the Elecraft site did nothing.

How can I check the registry values on the PC to know if that is the cause?

Hank
K4HYJ

-Original Message-
From: Dick Dievendorff 
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2019 12:47 AM
To: donw...@embarqmail.com
Cc: HB ; Elecraft list 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility problem: serial port is closed

The kx3 gets its inventory of com ports from registry values populated by 
complete device driver installation.

Dick, K6KR




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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility problem: serial port is closed

[hbjr]

Reinstalling the KX3 utility software from the Elecraft site did nothing.

How can I check the registry values on the PC to know if that is the cause?

Hank
K4HYJ

-Original Message-
From: Dick Dievendorff  
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2019 12:47 AM
To: donw...@embarqmail.com
Cc: HB ; Elecraft list 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility problem: serial port is closed

The kx3 gets its inventory of com ports from registry values populated by 
complete device driver installation. 

Dick, K6KR 

> On Apr 12, 2019, at 19:20, Don Wilhelm  wrote:
> 
> Hank,
> 
> In that case, the next step is to download and install the latest copy of KX3 
> Utility.
> 
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 4/12/2019 9:34 PM, HB wrote:
>> 
>> Don….
>> 
>> I have verified the COM port in the Device Manager but the KX3 Utility does 
>> not show any COM ports in the port window.
>> 
>> 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility problem: serial port is closed

[Dick Dievendorff]

The kx3 gets its inventory of com ports from registry values populated by 
complete device driver installation. 

Dick, K6KR 

> On Apr 12, 2019, at 19:20, Don Wilhelm  wrote:
> 
> Hank,
> 
> In that case, the next step is to download and install the latest copy of KX3 
> Utility.
> 
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 4/12/2019 9:34 PM, HB wrote:
>> 
>> Don….
>> 
>> I have verified the COM port in the Device Manager but the KX3 Utility does 
>> not show any COM ports in the port window.
>> 
>> 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility problem: serial port is closed

[rv6amark via Elecraft]

Hank,I had a similar problem earlier this week following a Windows update.   
The COM port showed up in Device Manager, but the software  package I was using 
(not the KX3 Utility) couldn't talk to it.  Within a day or so, there was 
another Windows  update,  and then everything worked fine.Sometimes it seems 
like an update breaks something, and a follow on update fixes it.  Not the 
first time I've seen that happen.Mark,KE6BB
 Original message From: HB  Date: 4/12/19  
6:34 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: donw...@embarqmail.com, Elecraft list 
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility problem: serial 
port is closed Don….I have verified the COM port in the Device Manager but the 
KX3 Utility does not show any COM ports in the port window.HankK4HYJ
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility problem: serial port is closed

[Don Wilhelm]

Hank,

In that case, the next step is to download and install the latest copy 
of KX3 Utility.



73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/12/2019 9:34 PM, HB wrote:


Don….

I have verified the COM port in the Device Manager but the KX3 Utility 
does not show any COM ports in the port window.





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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility problem: serial port is closed

[HB]

Don….
I have verified the COM port in the Device Manager but the KX3 Utility does not 
show any COM ports in the port window.

Hank
K4HYJ

From: Don Wilhelm
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2019 9:07 PM
To: HB; Elecraft list
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility problem: serial port is closed

Hank,

Re-boot the computer - it seems all the problems are in your computer. 
Oh, yes, power cycle the KX3 too, but that will not likely make a 
difference.

After rebooting the computer, look in Device Manager to see which COM 
port your computer assigned to the KXUSB adapter, and use that COM port 
in all your applications as well as KX3 Utility.

Windows sometimes changes the COM port (in its infinite wisdom) for you.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/12/2019 7:47 PM, HB wrote:
> Hey folks…
> I have an unusual (I think) problem.  I have a KX3 that I have used the KX3 
> utility software with several times without issue.  Today when I start the 
> software there is no COM port to select.  In the bottom left hand part of the 
> KX3 PORT window is says Serial Port is Closed. (I’m using the Elecraft USB 
> cable for the KX3).
> 
> I can’t get it to work.  I can control my Kx3 with DXLabs using the COM port 
> no problem.  I can use the Elecraft Frequency editor with no problem.  I can 
> use WinLink Express no problem.  But when I start the KX3 utility software I 
> can’t select a COM port – there are none listed.
> 

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility problem: serial port is closed

[HB]

Yes – multiple reboots.  


From: Jim - N4ST
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2019 8:21 PM
To: 'HB'; 'Elecraft list'
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility problem: serial port is closed

I just had this problem today after "upgrading" to Windows 10 Ver 1809.
Windows told me the COM port was closed, even though it showed up in device 
manager.
A reboot fixed it.
YMMV
_ 
73,
Jim - N4ST

-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net  On 
Behalf Of HB
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2019 19:47
To: Elecraft list 
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility problem: serial port is closed

Hey folks…
I have an unusual (I think) problem.  I have a KX3 that I have used the KX3 
utility software with several times without issue.  Today when I start the 
software there is no COM port to select.  In the bottom left hand part of the 
KX3 PORT window is says Serial Port is Closed. (I’m using the Elecraft USB 
cable for the KX3).

I can’t get it to work.  I can control my Kx3 with DXLabs using the COM port no 
problem.  I can use the Elecraft Frequency editor with no problem.  I can use 
WinLink Express no problem.  But when I start the KX3 utility software I can’t 
select a COM port – there are none listed.

Here is my troubleshooting so far:
1. I know the COM port is there – it works for other software 2. I used the 
FTDI driver removal tool and uninstalled the FTDI drivers 3. I uninstalled the 
KX3 software 4. Reinstalled everything – but the issue remains

Any ideas?

PC: Surface Pro Laptop w/Windoze 10

Hank
K4HYJ


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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility problem: serial port is closed

[Don Wilhelm]

Hank,

Re-boot the computer - it seems all the problems are in your computer. 
Oh, yes, power cycle the KX3 too, but that will not likely make a 
difference.


After rebooting the computer, look in Device Manager to see which COM 
port your computer assigned to the KXUSB adapter, and use that COM port 
in all your applications as well as KX3 Utility.


Windows sometimes changes the COM port (in its infinite wisdom) for you.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/12/2019 7:47 PM, HB wrote:

Hey folks…
I have an unusual (I think) problem.  I have a KX3 that I have used the KX3 
utility software with several times without issue.  Today when I start the 
software there is no COM port to select.  In the bottom left hand part of the 
KX3 PORT window is says Serial Port is Closed. (I’m using the Elecraft USB 
cable for the KX3).

I can’t get it to work.  I can control my Kx3 with DXLabs using the COM port no 
problem.  I can use the Elecraft Frequency editor with no problem.  I can use 
WinLink Express no problem.  But when I start the KX3 utility software I can’t 
select a COM port – there are none listed.


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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility problem: serial port is closed

[Jim - N4ST]

I just had this problem today after "upgrading" to Windows 10 Ver 1809.
Windows told me the COM port was closed, even though it showed up in device 
manager.
A reboot fixed it.
YMMV
_ 
73,
Jim - N4ST

-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net  On 
Behalf Of HB
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2019 19:47
To: Elecraft list 
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility problem: serial port is closed

Hey folks…
I have an unusual (I think) problem.  I have a KX3 that I have used the KX3 
utility software with several times without issue.  Today when I start the 
software there is no COM port to select.  In the bottom left hand part of the 
KX3 PORT window is says Serial Port is Closed. (I’m using the Elecraft USB 
cable for the KX3).

I can’t get it to work.  I can control my Kx3 with DXLabs using the COM port no 
problem.  I can use the Elecraft Frequency editor with no problem.  I can use 
WinLink Express no problem.  But when I start the KX3 utility software I can’t 
select a COM port – there are none listed.

Here is my troubleshooting so far:
1. I know the COM port is there – it works for other software 2. I used the 
FTDI driver removal tool and uninstalled the FTDI drivers 3. I uninstalled the 
KX3 software 4. Reinstalled everything – but the issue remains

Any ideas?

PC: Surface Pro Laptop w/Windoze 10

Hank
K4HYJ


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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility problem: serial port is closed

[Nr4c]

Did you re-boot the computer?

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Apr 12, 2019, at 7:47 PM, HB  wrote:
> 
> Hey folks…
> I have an unusual (I think) problem.  I have a KX3 that I have used the KX3 
> utility software with several times without issue.  Today when I start the 
> software there is no COM port to select.  In the bottom left hand part of the 
> KX3 PORT window is says Serial Port is Closed. (I’m using the Elecraft USB 
> cable for the KX3).
> 
> I can’t get it to work.  I can control my Kx3 with DXLabs using the COM port 
> no problem.  I can use the Elecraft Frequency editor with no problem.  I can 
> use WinLink Express no problem.  But when I start the KX3 utility software I 
> can’t select a COM port – there are none listed.
> 
> Here is my troubleshooting so far:
> 1. I know the COM port is there – it works for other software
> 2. I used the FTDI driver removal tool and uninstalled the FTDI drivers 
> 3. I uninstalled the KX3 software
> 4. Reinstalled everything – but the issue remains
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> PC: Surface Pro Laptop w/Windoze 10
> 
> Hank
> K4HYJ
> 
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[Elecraft] KX3 Utility problem: serial port is closed

[HB]

Hey folks…
I have an unusual (I think) problem.  I have a KX3 that I have used the KX3 
utility software with several times without issue.  Today when I start the 
software there is no COM port to select.  In the bottom left hand part of the 
KX3 PORT window is says Serial Port is Closed. (I’m using the Elecraft USB 
cable for the KX3).

I can’t get it to work.  I can control my Kx3 with DXLabs using the COM port no 
problem.  I can use the Elecraft Frequency editor with no problem.  I can use 
WinLink Express no problem.  But when I start the KX3 utility software I can’t 
select a COM port – there are none listed.

Here is my troubleshooting so far:
1. I know the COM port is there – it works for other software
2. I used the FTDI driver removal tool and uninstalled the FTDI drivers 
3. I uninstalled the KX3 software
4. Reinstalled everything – but the issue remains

Any ideas?

PC: Surface Pro Laptop w/Windoze 10

Hank
K4HYJ


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Re: [Elecraft] Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility

[Barry Baines via Elecraft]

Andy:

> On Mar 29, 2019, at 5:56 PM, Andy McMullin via Elecraft 
>  wrote:

snip...
> 
> 
> 
> I’m sure there’s something in the works but I see nothing from the developers 
> themselves to say so and the next version of MacOS seems to be only weeks 
> away. 

Apple has a tradition of announcing the next release of Operating Systems (eg. 
macOS, iOS, WatchOS. tvOS, etc.) at the annual World Wide Developers Conference 
(WWDC) that takes place in June.  This year’s event is scheduled for 3-7 Jun 19 
in San Jose.  Traditionally, WWDC is an opportunity for announcing upcoming 
product releases for both software and hardware products.  Typically, software 
announcements made in June are not actually released until late September or 
early October.  This has been the case for a number of years.  

Consequently, while Apple has already made it clear (back in 2017) to software 
developers that the 2019 release of macOS (v10.15) will not support 32-bit 
applications (in the hope that the ‘heads up’ will prompt them to update their 
software), little else has been revealed about what enhancements/improvements 
will be incorporated into the 2019 release of macOS.  These new 
features/enhancements will likely be touted at the next WWDC.  In any event, 
don’t expect ’the next version of macOS (e.g. v10.15) to be available until the 
Fall, though security and other incremental updates to the current version 
(macOS 10.14.x) will likely take place before the next major release.  This 
week Apple released incremental updates for MacOS (v10.14.4). iOS (v12.2), 
watchOS (v5.2) and tvOS (v12.2).  Hopefully, the next six months before actual 
OS Product release will give time to developers to update their software.

That said, it is also true that developers may decide NOT to update their 
software for whatever reason (cost, changing marketplace, gone out-of-business, 
other priorities, etc.).  iOS went through a similar OS update in 2016 when iOS 
v11 was released removing 32-bit app support.  Apple announced in October 2014 
that iOS would no longer 32-bit apps in future iOS versions.  A number of iOS 
apps I was using were no longer usable with v11.x and the developers did not 
release a 64-bit version.  Fortunately, I had moved my data from those apps 
because iOS v10.3 that came out in January 2017 had provided a ‘heads up’ that 
apps that I had would not work with the next update.  That gave me time to make 
a less frantic transition before iOS v11.0  (64-bit apps only) was released in 
Fall 2017.

Of course, consumers are not required to update whatever macOS is applicable to 
their products if favorite software will not work with the an OS update. It is 
also true that as products get older they may no longer be eligible for OS 
updates anyway.  I’m running macOS v10.13.6 on my 2010 MacPro instead of macOS 
10.14.x because the video card is not capable of handling ‘dark mode’ that is 
part of macOS v10.14.x and there isn’t a current generation after-market video 
card suitable for my MacPro that retains full Mac Video functionality.  There 
are video cards out there that can be physically installed, but they don’t have 
Mac drivers native to them.  

Of course, Windows users are not necessarily out-of-the-woods when it comes to 
OS changes.  With the ‘end of life’ for Windows 7 in January 2020, many 
individuals who have this OS (including yours truly) will need to decide next 
steps regarding their trusty PCs or virtual machines still running this 
software. I saw one estimate that 40% of currently active PCs are running Win7. 
 Whereas Apple provides OS updates/upgrades for free, Microsoft is not as 
generous.  Those that have Win 7 PCs or VMs that are capable of running Win10 
will need to decide whether to invest the $139.00 to download an upgrade to 
Win10 or perhaps convert to Windows 8 (support lasts to 10 JAN 23).  Those with 
PCs that are not compatible with a newer OS will have to determine whether to 
invest in newer hardware.. One alternative to not upgrading is to pay a monthly 
subscriber fee (that will increase each year; specific pricing to be announced) 
to continue to receive Win 7 security updates starting in Januay for up to 
three years .

Of course, converting to Win10 also encompasses a ‘learning curve’ given that 
Microsoft decided to update the ‘look and feel’ (for whatever reason) such that 
someone familiar with Win7 has to learn how Win10 is organized/functions.  I 
ended up putting a Win7 “Classic Shell” on a Dell laptop running Win10 so that 
i didn’t have to be ‘reprogrammed’ in order to manage/utilize it.  Given that 
Apple has not altered the ‘essentials’ of using macOS as annual upgrades are 
released (for free), my preference will continue to be Apple, recognizing that 
for certain functions, Windows OS is necessary.

“Aging Obsolescence” is a continuing challenge with electronics that continues 
to function but no longer meets current technical ‘expectations.’  

FWIW,

Barry 

Re: [Elecraft] Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility

[stanz...@sbcglobal.net]

In addition to Elecraft's Mac software, I have expensive apps that will 
not work under the next Mac OS. They work for me fine now and I don't 
want to spend thousands of dollars to upgrade to new versions of those 
apps just so they will work under the next Mac OS.


I don't need no stinkin' new version of Mac OS, so I will stick with the 
current version and have disabled the "automatically keep my Mac up to 
date" function so that a new OS isn't installed behind my back.


Stan, WA1LOU

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Re: [Elecraft] Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility

[Jack Brindle via Elecraft]

Unless you are a developer, weeks is measured in double digits. The new version 
of macOS will presumably be announced at Apple’s WWDC in San Jose the first 
week of June. It will not be out as a full release until September or October 
which is the real time frame of concern. Unless you value your data, do not run 
any of the betas unless you really need to, and then only with data you are 
willing to lose. As a long-time Macintosh developer I speak from extensive 
experience here.

I am sure the Elecraft Utilities will be updated in time for this event as 
needed. After all, until Apple tells us what is going on, we don’t really know 
anything, right? By the way, there are some far more important issues that we 
are watching, such as the very mysterious notarization system and when it might 
be required.

73,
Jack, W6FB


> On Mar 29, 2019, at 3:56 PM, Andy McMullin via Elecraft 
>  wrote:
> 
> I’m sorry Keith but is there any evidence to support that assertion. That a 
> 64 bit version will be available before the next MacOS revision is released? 
> 
> I know it’s a nice thing to think. But have the developers said that’s what’s 
> happening? They seem to be completely missing from this thread. 
> 
> I’m sure there’s something in the works but I see nothing from the developers 
> themselves to say so and the next version of MacOS seems to be only weeks 
> away. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 29 Mar 2019, at 20:22, Keith Onishi  wrote:
>> 
>> K3 Utility is 64 bit version but other Elecraft utilities are 32 bit version.
>> So, I guess the 32 bit versions will be migrated to 64 bit version later but 
>> before the future MacOS is released.
>> 
>> 73 de JH3SIF, Keith
>> 
>>> 2019/03/29 0:17、Don Wilhelm のメール:
>>> 
>>> My understanding is that a 64 bit version of the Mac and Linux Utilities is 
>>> "in the making".
>>> But for now, you will have to put up with the messages from Apple that the 
>>> current Utility will not work on the next OS release.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Don W3FPR
>>> 
 On 3/27/2019 7:15 PM, Jack Brindle via Elecraft wrote:
 Guys;
 Realize that Mac versions of the utilities are important to us “insiders” 
 also. This is something that will be addressed in due time.
 73!
 Jack, W6FB
> On Mar 27, 2019, at 2:28 PM, Grant Youngman  wrote:
> 
> It’s kind of the way things go.  I’d like to be able to run some 8-bit 
> Z-80 apps I wrote in the 1970’s (in FORTH) without pulling my old Digital 
> Group system out of the attic,  but I can’t.
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Re: [Elecraft] Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility

[Keith Onishi]

No, I just “hoped”.

In general, one can wait updating an operating system until his/her essential 
softwares become compatible to the new version of operating system.

73 de JH3SIF, Keith

> 2019/03/30 7:56、Andy McMullin のメール:
> 
> I’m sorry Keith but is there any evidence to support that assertion. That a 
> 64 bit version will be available before the next MacOS revision is released? 
> 
> I know it’s a nice thing to think. But have the developers said that’s what’s 
> happening? They seem to be completely missing from this thread. 
> 
> I’m sure there’s something in the works but I see nothing from the developers 
> themselves to say so and the next version of MacOS seems to be only weeks 
> away. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 29 Mar 2019, at 20:22, Keith Onishi  wrote:
>> 
>> K3 Utility is 64 bit version but other Elecraft utilities are 32 bit version.
>> So, I guess the 32 bit versions will be migrated to 64 bit version later but 
>> before the future MacOS is released.
>> 
>> 73 de JH3SIF, Keith
>> 
>>> 2019/03/29 0:17、Don Wilhelm のメール:
>>> 
>>> My understanding is that a 64 bit version of the Mac and Linux Utilities is 
>>> "in the making".
>>> But for now, you will have to put up with the messages from Apple that the 
>>> current Utility will not work on the next OS release.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Don W3FPR
>>> 
 On 3/27/2019 7:15 PM, Jack Brindle via Elecraft wrote:
 Guys;
 Realize that Mac versions of the utilities are important to us “insiders” 
 also. This is something that will be addressed in due time.
 73!
 Jack, W6FB
> On Mar 27, 2019, at 2:28 PM, Grant Youngman  wrote:
> 
> It’s kind of the way things go.  I’d like to be able to run some 8-bit 
> Z-80 apps I wrote in the 1970’s (in FORTH) without pulling my old Digital 
> Group system out of the attic,  but I can’t.
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Re: [Elecraft] Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility

[Andy McMullin via Elecraft]

I’m sorry Keith but is there any evidence to support that assertion. That a 64 
bit version will be available before the next MacOS revision is released? 

I know it’s a nice thing to think. But have the developers said that’s what’s 
happening? They seem to be completely missing from this thread. 

I’m sure there’s something in the works but I see nothing from the developers 
themselves to say so and the next version of MacOS seems to be only weeks away. 

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> On 29 Mar 2019, at 20:22, Keith Onishi  wrote:
> 
> K3 Utility is 64 bit version but other Elecraft utilities are 32 bit version.
> So, I guess the 32 bit versions will be migrated to 64 bit version later but 
> before the future MacOS is released.
> 
> 73 de JH3SIF, Keith
> 
>> 2019/03/29 0:17、Don Wilhelm のメール:
>> 
>> My understanding is that a 64 bit version of the Mac and Linux Utilities is 
>> "in the making".
>> But for now, you will have to put up with the messages from Apple that the 
>> current Utility will not work on the next OS release.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>> 
>>> On 3/27/2019 7:15 PM, Jack Brindle via Elecraft wrote:
>>> Guys;
>>> Realize that Mac versions of the utilities are important to us “insiders” 
>>> also. This is something that will be addressed in due time.
>>> 73!
>>> Jack, W6FB
 On Mar 27, 2019, at 2:28 PM, Grant Youngman  wrote:
 
 It’s kind of the way things go.  I’d like to be able to run some 8-bit 
 Z-80 apps I wrote in the 1970’s (in FORTH) without pulling my old Digital 
 Group system out of the attic,  but I can’t.
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Re: [Elecraft] Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility

[Keith Onishi]

K3 Utility is 64 bit version but other Elecraft utilities are 32 bit version.
So, I guess the 32 bit versions will be migrated to 64 bit version later but 
before the future MacOS is released.

73 de JH3SIF, Keith

> 2019/03/29 0:17、Don Wilhelm のメール:
> 
> My understanding is that a 64 bit version of the Mac and Linux Utilities is 
> "in the making".
> But for now, you will have to put up with the messages from Apple that the 
> current Utility will not work on the next OS release.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 3/27/2019 7:15 PM, Jack Brindle via Elecraft wrote:
>> Guys;
>> Realize that Mac versions of the utilities are important to us “insiders” 
>> also. This is something that will be addressed in due time.
>> 73!
>> Jack, W6FB
>>> On Mar 27, 2019, at 2:28 PM, Grant Youngman  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It’s kind of the way things go.  I’d like to be able to run some 8-bit Z-80 
>>> apps I wrote in the 1970’s (in FORTH) without pulling my old Digital Group 
>>> system out of the attic,  but I can’t.
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Re: [Elecraft] Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility

[Don Wilhelm]

My understanding is that a 64 bit version of the Mac and Linux Utilities 
is "in the making".
But for now, you will have to put up with the messages from Apple that 
the current Utility will not work on the next OS release.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 3/27/2019 7:15 PM, Jack Brindle via Elecraft wrote:

Guys;

Realize that Mac versions of the utilities are important to us “insiders” also. 
This is something that will be addressed in due time.

73!
Jack, W6FB


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It’s kind of the way things go.  I’d like to be able to run some 8-bit Z-80 
apps I wrote in the 1970’s (in FORTH) without pulling my old Digital Group 
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Re: [Elecraft] Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility

[David Woolley]

I assume you mean that has been compiled for, as if you can compile it 
you can probably compile if for many different architectures.


However ARM is not a single machine type.  There are many different ARM 
family devices with different instruction sets.  You would probably want 
a specific Raspberry Pi build.


On 27/03/2019 22:13, Andy McMullin wrote:

I wonder if a better answer would be to push for versions of the utilities that 
compile on an ARM chip so that it could be run on a Raspberry Pi.


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Re: [Elecraft] Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility

[Steve via Elecraft]

I have always used the latest version of Raspberian. Now its raspbian 
stretch. https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/raspbian/


I have an 8 AH 12 volt SLA battery and a small 12 to 5 volt converter 
for the PI . The battery is also the supply for my KX3 and can recharge 
an HT. I would be excited to be able to add Elecraft utilities to the 
Raspberry Pi.


Yes SLA batteries are heavy but I have yet to meet a ham that couldn't 
use a little bit more exercise. Myself included.They are also cheap. 
Steve kb1chu



On 3/27/2019 8:22 PM, Terry wrote:

What OS are you using on the RPi?
Terry, KQ5U

On 3/27/2019 6:01 PM, Steve via Elecraft wrote:
I have a Raspberry Pi in a go box with APRS software and a program 
called Chirp. Chirp can program a whole slew of different radios (Not 
Elecraft) :-(. In Chirp I have files that have all the local 
repeaters and can install them as needed. I would love to add 
Elecraft utilities to my Pi. Steve kb1chu


On 3/27/2019 6:25 PM, David Thompson via Elecraft wrote:
What a wonderful idea… I’m thinking about adding a Pi to my 
shack/field kit to handle a number of chores without needing a 
larger computer.


David Thompson
Jack of All Trades
Master of None
dbthomp...@me.com




On Mar 27, 2019, at 15:13, Andy McMullin  wrote:

Wes,

I wonder if a better answer would be to push for versions of the 
utilities that compile on an ARM chip so that it could be run on a 
Raspberry Pi. Particularly as it’s already been compiled for an X86 
under Linux, so all the libraries should be there. I don’t think 
many of us would worry about spending 25 quid on a little computer 
to have just to run the utilities and maybe some of the modern 
digital modes?


Regards
Andy, G8TQH


On 27 Mar 2019, at 21:23, Wes  wrote:

You could always do what some of us Windows users do; keep an old 
computer around with legacy OS.  My two shack computers and my 
office desktop still run Win 7 Pro.  To run my N2PK VNA, I have a 
laptop with a parallel port running WinXP and I think there is 
still a 386 laptop out in the garage somewhere with Win95, just in 
case :-)  Of course the latter two have no WiFi cards in them to 
avoid troubles.


Wes  N7WS

ps. My son, who is the IT Manager for a national corporation, 
thinks I'm a Luddite.


On 3/27/2019 1:43 PM, Bill Frantz wrote:
Apple plans to not support 32 bit applications with the next 
major release of MacOS. This change will hit a number of ham 
radio applications as well as the Elecraft utilities.


My favorite program for SO2V RTTY, cocoaModem is one of them, and 
there is no formal support for it, and the available sources 
won't build under the modern MacOS development environment.


I'm hoping for a miracle.

73 Bill AE6JV

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Re: [Elecraft] Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility

[Terry]

What OS are you using on the RPi?
Terry, KQ5U

On 3/27/2019 6:01 PM, Steve via Elecraft wrote:
I have a Raspberry Pi in a go box with APRS software and a program 
called Chirp. Chirp can program a whole slew of different radios (Not 
Elecraft) :-(. In Chirp I have files that have all the local repeaters 
and can install them as needed. I would love to add Elecraft utilities 
to my Pi. Steve kb1chu


On 3/27/2019 6:25 PM, David Thompson via Elecraft wrote:
What a wonderful idea… I’m thinking about adding a Pi to my 
shack/field kit to handle a number of chores without needing a larger 
computer.


David Thompson
Jack of All Trades
Master of None
dbthomp...@me.com




On Mar 27, 2019, at 15:13, Andy McMullin  wrote:

Wes,

I wonder if a better answer would be to push for versions of the 
utilities that compile on an ARM chip so that it could be run on a 
Raspberry Pi. Particularly as it’s already been compiled for an X86 
under Linux, so all the libraries should be there. I don’t think 
many of us would worry about spending 25 quid on a little computer 
to have just to run the utilities and maybe some of the modern 
digital modes?


Regards
Andy, G8TQH


On 27 Mar 2019, at 21:23, Wes  wrote:

You could always do what some of us Windows users do; keep an old 
computer around with legacy OS.  My two shack computers and my 
office desktop still run Win 7 Pro.  To run my N2PK VNA, I have a 
laptop with a parallel port running WinXP and I think there is 
still a 386 laptop out in the garage somewhere with Win95, just in 
case :-)  Of course the latter two have no WiFi cards in them to 
avoid troubles.


Wes  N7WS

ps. My son, who is the IT Manager for a national corporation, 
thinks I'm a Luddite.


On 3/27/2019 1:43 PM, Bill Frantz wrote:
Apple plans to not support 32 bit applications with the next major 
release of MacOS. This change will hit a number of ham radio 
applications as well as the Elecraft utilities.


My favorite program for SO2V RTTY, cocoaModem is one of them, and 
there is no formal support for it, and the available sources won't 
build under the modern MacOS development environment.


I'm hoping for a miracle.

73 Bill AE6JV

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Re: [Elecraft] Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility

[Jack Brindle via Elecraft]

Guys;

Realize that Mac versions of the utilities are important to us “insiders” also. 
This is something that will be addressed in due time.

73!
Jack, W6FB

> On Mar 27, 2019, at 2:28 PM, Grant Youngman  wrote:
> 
> It’s kind of the way things go.  I’d like to be able to run some 8-bit Z-80 
> apps I wrote in the 1970’s (in FORTH) without pulling my old Digital Group 
> system out of the attic,  but I can’t.
> 
> Developers need to keep up.  I imagine that the Elecraft macOS apps will show 
> up as 64-bit compatible at some point, too.If not, Elecraft will alienate 
> a (arguable small, perhaps) subset of their users, and I doubt that will 
> happen.
> 
> Grant NQ5T (Windows free for as long as I can remember)
> K3 #2091 KX3 #8342
> 
>> On Mar 27, 2019, at 4:43 PM, Bill Frantz  wrote:
>> 
>> Apple plans to not support 32 bit applications with the next major release 
>> of MacOS. This change will hit a number of ham radio applications as well as 
>> the Elecraft utilities.
>> 
>> My favorite program for SO2V RTTY, cocoaModem is one of them, and there is 
>> no formal support for it, and the available sources won't build under the 
>> modern MacOS development environment.
>> 
>> I'm hoping for a miracle.
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility

[Jim Brown]

On 3/27/2019 2:23 PM, Wes wrote:
My two shack computers and my office desktop still run Win 7 Pro.  To 
run my N2PK VNA, I have a laptop with a parallel port running WinXP 


Yep. I still have vintage Thinkpads left over from my days in biz that 
are running XP Pro; one of them runs my VNWA, and I've used both of them 
for contest logging. The two Thinkpads in my shack run Win7 Pro, and I 
paid extra to get Win7 (rather than 10) on the used X2 I bought for guys 
to backpack up to CM79.


As long as Microsoft continues to force updates on THEIR schedule, I'm 
sticking with Win 7 for the shack as long as possible. I WANT the 
updates, but I want to apply them on MY schedule.


73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility

[Steve via Elecraft]

I have a Raspberry Pi in a go box with APRS software and a program 
called Chirp. Chirp can program a whole slew of different radios (Not 
Elecraft) :-(. In Chirp I have files that have all the local repeaters 
and can install them as needed. I would love to add Elecraft utilities 
to my Pi. Steve kb1chu


On 3/27/2019 6:25 PM, David Thompson via Elecraft wrote:

What a wonderful idea… I’m thinking about adding a Pi to my shack/field kit to 
handle a number of chores without needing a larger computer.

David Thompson
Jack of All Trades
Master of None
dbthomp...@me.com




On Mar 27, 2019, at 15:13, Andy McMullin  wrote:

Wes,

I wonder if a better answer would be to push for versions of the utilities that 
compile on an ARM chip so that it could be run on a Raspberry Pi. Particularly 
as it’s already been compiled for an X86 under Linux, so all the libraries 
should be there. I don’t think many of us would worry about spending 25 quid on 
a little computer to have just to run the utilities and maybe some of the 
modern digital modes?

Regards
Andy, G8TQH


On 27 Mar 2019, at 21:23, Wes  wrote:

You could always do what some of us Windows users do; keep an old computer 
around with legacy OS.  My two shack computers and my office desktop still run 
Win 7 Pro.  To run my N2PK VNA, I have a laptop with a parallel port running 
WinXP and I think there is still a 386 laptop out in the garage somewhere with 
Win95, just in case :-)  Of course the latter two have no WiFi cards in them to 
avoid troubles.

Wes  N7WS

ps. My son, who is the IT Manager for a national corporation, thinks I'm a 
Luddite.

On 3/27/2019 1:43 PM, Bill Frantz wrote:

Apple plans to not support 32 bit applications with the next major release of 
MacOS. This change will hit a number of ham radio applications as well as the 
Elecraft utilities.

My favorite program for SO2V RTTY, cocoaModem is one of them, and there is no 
formal support for it, and the available sources won't build under the modern 
MacOS development environment.

I'm hoping for a miracle.

73 Bill AE6JV

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Re: [Elecraft] Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility

[Wes]

Andy,

Maybe for some, but my eyes glaze over when you start talking about that stuff.  
I've already experienced the sunk costs for the old hardware.


Wes

On 3/27/2019 3:13 PM, Andy McMullin wrote:

Wes,

I wonder if a better answer would be to push for versions of the utilities that 
compile on an ARM chip so that it could be run on a Raspberry Pi. Particularly 
as it’s already been compiled for an X86 under Linux, so all the libraries 
should be there. I don’t think many of us would worry about spending 25 quid on 
a little computer to have just to run the utilities and maybe some of the 
modern digital modes?

Regards
Andy, G8TQH


On 27 Mar 2019, at 21:23, Wes  wrote:

You could always do what some of us Windows users do; keep an old computer 
around with legacy OS.  My two shack computers and my office desktop still run 
Win 7 Pro.  To run my N2PK VNA, I have a laptop with a parallel port running 
WinXP and I think there is still a 386 laptop out in the garage somewhere with 
Win95, just in case :-)  Of course the latter two have no WiFi cards in them to 
avoid troubles.

Wes  N7WS

ps. My son, who is the IT Manager for a national corporation, thinks I'm a 
Luddite.

On 3/27/2019 1:43 PM, Bill Frantz wrote:

Apple plans to not support 32 bit applications with the next major release of 
MacOS. This change will hit a number of ham radio applications as well as the 
Elecraft utilities.

My favorite program for SO2V RTTY, cocoaModem is one of them, and there is no 
formal support for it, and the available sources won't build under the modern 
MacOS development environment.

I'm hoping for a miracle.

73 Bill AE6JV

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Re: [Elecraft] Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility

[David Thompson via Elecraft]

What a wonderful idea… I’m thinking about adding a Pi to my shack/field kit to 
handle a number of chores without needing a larger computer.

David Thompson
Jack of All Trades
Master of None
dbthomp...@me.com



> On Mar 27, 2019, at 15:13, Andy McMullin  wrote:
> 
> Wes,
> 
> I wonder if a better answer would be to push for versions of the utilities 
> that compile on an ARM chip so that it could be run on a Raspberry Pi. 
> Particularly as it’s already been compiled for an X86 under Linux, so all the 
> libraries should be there. I don’t think many of us would worry about 
> spending 25 quid on a little computer to have just to run the utilities and 
> maybe some of the modern digital modes?
> 
> Regards
> Andy, G8TQH
> 
>> On 27 Mar 2019, at 21:23, Wes  wrote:
>> 
>> You could always do what some of us Windows users do; keep an old computer 
>> around with legacy OS.  My two shack computers and my office desktop still 
>> run Win 7 Pro.  To run my N2PK VNA, I have a laptop with a parallel port 
>> running WinXP and I think there is still a 386 laptop out in the garage 
>> somewhere with Win95, just in case :-)  Of course the latter two have no 
>> WiFi cards in them to avoid troubles.
>> 
>> Wes  N7WS
>> 
>> ps. My son, who is the IT Manager for a national corporation, thinks I'm a 
>> Luddite.
>> 
>> On 3/27/2019 1:43 PM, Bill Frantz wrote:
>>> Apple plans to not support 32 bit applications with the next major release 
>>> of MacOS. This change will hit a number of ham radio applications as well 
>>> as the Elecraft utilities.
>>> 
>>> My favorite program for SO2V RTTY, cocoaModem is one of them, and there is 
>>> no formal support for it, and the available sources won't build under the 
>>> modern MacOS development environment.
>>> 
>>> I'm hoping for a miracle.
>>> 
>>> 73 Bill AE6JV 
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Re: [Elecraft] Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility

[Andy McMullin]

Wes,

I wonder if a better answer would be to push for versions of the utilities that 
compile on an ARM chip so that it could be run on a Raspberry Pi. Particularly 
as it’s already been compiled for an X86 under Linux, so all the libraries 
should be there. I don’t think many of us would worry about spending 25 quid on 
a little computer to have just to run the utilities and maybe some of the 
modern digital modes?

Regards
Andy, G8TQH

> On 27 Mar 2019, at 21:23, Wes  wrote:
> 
> You could always do what some of us Windows users do; keep an old computer 
> around with legacy OS.  My two shack computers and my office desktop still 
> run Win 7 Pro.  To run my N2PK VNA, I have a laptop with a parallel port 
> running WinXP and I think there is still a 386 laptop out in the garage 
> somewhere with Win95, just in case :-)  Of course the latter two have no WiFi 
> cards in them to avoid troubles.
> 
> Wes  N7WS
> 
> ps. My son, who is the IT Manager for a national corporation, thinks I'm a 
> Luddite.
> 
> On 3/27/2019 1:43 PM, Bill Frantz wrote:
>> Apple plans to not support 32 bit applications with the next major release 
>> of MacOS. This change will hit a number of ham radio applications as well as 
>> the Elecraft utilities.
>> 
>> My favorite program for SO2V RTTY, cocoaModem is one of them, and there is 
>> no formal support for it, and the available sources won't build under the 
>> modern MacOS development environment.
>> 
>> I'm hoping for a miracle.
>> 
>> 73 Bill AE6JV 
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Re: [Elecraft] Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility

[Andy McMullin]

At least with Apps running in FORTH you could use something like SwiftForth and 
keep running them under Windows or MacOS!  

> On 27 Mar 2019, at 21:28, Grant Youngman  wrote:
> 
> It’s kind of the way things go.  I’d like to be able to run some 8-bit Z-80 
> apps I wrote in the 1970’s (in FORTH) without pulling my old Digital Group 
> system out of the attic,  but I can’t.
> 
> Developers need to keep up.  I imagine that the Elecraft macOS apps will show 
> up as 64-bit compatible at some point, too.If not, Elecraft will alienate 
> a (arguable small, perhaps) subset of their users, and I doubt that will 
> happen.
> 
> Grant NQ5T (Windows free for as long as I can remember)
> K3 #2091 KX3 #8342
> 
>> On Mar 27, 2019, at 4:43 PM, Bill Frantz  wrote:
>> 
>> Apple plans to not support 32 bit applications with the next major release 
>> of MacOS. This change will hit a number of ham radio applications as well as 
>> the Elecraft utilities.
>> 
>> My favorite program for SO2V RTTY, cocoaModem is one of them, and there is 
>> no formal support for it, and the available sources won't build under the 
>> modern MacOS development environment.
>> 
>> I'm hoping for a miracle.
>> 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility

[Grant Youngman]

It’s kind of the way things go.  I’d like to be able to run some 8-bit Z-80 
apps I wrote in the 1970’s (in FORTH) without pulling my old Digital Group 
system out of the attic,  but I can’t.

Developers need to keep up.  I imagine that the Elecraft macOS apps will show 
up as 64-bit compatible at some point, too.If not, Elecraft will alienate a 
(arguable small, perhaps) subset of their users, and I doubt that will happen.

Grant NQ5T (Windows free for as long as I can remember)
K3 #2091 KX3 #8342

> On Mar 27, 2019, at 4:43 PM, Bill Frantz  wrote:
> 
> Apple plans to not support 32 bit applications with the next major release of 
> MacOS. This change will hit a number of ham radio applications as well as the 
> Elecraft utilities.
> 
> My favorite program for SO2V RTTY, cocoaModem is one of them, and there is no 
> formal support for it, and the available sources won't build under the modern 
> MacOS development environment.
> 
> I'm hoping for a miracle.
> 

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Re: [Elecraft] Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility

[Wes]

You could always do what some of us Windows users do; keep an old computer 
around with legacy OS.  My two shack computers and my office desktop still run 
Win 7 Pro.  To run my N2PK VNA, I have a laptop with a parallel port running 
WinXP and I think there is still a 386 laptop out in the garage somewhere with 
Win95, just in case :-)  Of course the latter two have no WiFi cards in them to 
avoid troubles.


Wes  N7WS

ps. My son, who is the IT Manager for a national corporation, thinks I'm a 
Luddite.

On 3/27/2019 1:43 PM, Bill Frantz wrote:
Apple plans to not support 32 bit applications with the next major release of 
MacOS. This change will hit a number of ham radio applications as well as the 
Elecraft utilities.


My favorite program for SO2V RTTY, cocoaModem is one of them, and there is no 
formal support for it, and the available sources won't build under the modern 
MacOS development environment.


I'm hoping for a miracle.

73 Bill AE6JV 


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Re: [Elecraft] Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility

[Bill Frantz]

Apple plans to not support 32 bit applications with the next 
major release of MacOS. This change will hit a number of ham 
radio applications as well as the Elecraft utilities.


My favorite program for SO2V RTTY, cocoaModem is one of them, 
and there is no formal support for it, and the available sources 
won't build under the modern MacOS development environment.


I'm hoping for a miracle.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 3/27/19 at 9:05 AM, a...@rickham.net (Andy McMullin) wrote:

Does anyone know if there is a trick or other way around the 
error messages from the KX3 Utility, when run on a modern 
Macintosh (mine’s running OS-X Mojave, 10.14.4), about the 
software not being usable on future versions? It’s to do with 
32-bit versus 64-bit and future versions of the OS not running 
old software.


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Re: [Elecraft] Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility

[Walter Underwood]

Since the memory manager seems to be tied to Windows, should we contribute to 
Chirp support for Elecraft? It already supports some Kenwood rigs, so if the 
Elecraft memory command set is similar to Kenwood, that might not be too hard.

The request has been on the Chirp board since 2012, so it probably takes an 
interested volunteer.

https://chirp.danplanet.com/issues/248

wunder
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> On Mar 27, 2019, at 1:31 PM, Andy McMullin  wrote:
> 
> Excellent. I look forward to seeing new versions of the OSX Utilities for the 
> Elecraft line sometime soon then.
> 
> Regards
> Andy, G8TQH
> 
>> On 27 Mar 2019, at 18:37, Charles Johnson  wrote:
>> 
>> No, you are not the only person who uses a Mac with their Elecraft equipment 
>> and macOS utilities. Elecraft is aware of the 32 bit limitation, and so is 
>> the developer of the KX3 app for macOS. I expect 64 bit versions of all 
>> Elecraft utilities will be released before the general release of the next 
>> OS, assuming the pre-release developer versions have 32 bit support removed.
>> 
>> 73, Charles, K4ZRJ
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 27, 2019, at 2:10 PM, Andy McMullin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks Charles. 
>>> 
>>> So, am I the only person interested in using my Elecraft kit with a Mac in 
>>> the future? If not, how can we get this app updated to work on Macs from 
>>> now on? Who do we need to ask?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 27 Mar 2019, at 17:55, Charles Johnson  wrote:
 
 Unless Apple changes its position on 32 bit software like the KX3 Utility, 
 32 bit apps will not run on the next major release of macOS. The warning 
 message is just that - a warning message that the app in question will not 
 run on future version of the OS. The warning messages appears at random 
 times, but is still valid. One can use the Activity Monitor app to 
 determine what software is 32 bit and what is 64 bit.
 
 I’m a registered Apple developer, and have updated my apps to 64 bit code 
 long ago, but some apps are written in such a way as to make conversion to 
 64 bit code problematic.
 
 I believe Elecraft produces the Windows versions of the apps, but the 
 macOS and Linux versions are undertaken by others such as W4SMT. 
 
 73, Charles, K4ZRJ
 
 
 
> On Mar 27, 2019, at 12:05 PM, Andy McMullin  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> This might seem like an odd question, but I’ve tried a search of the mail 
> list archive and not found the answer. 
> 
> Does anyone know if there is a trick or other way around the error 
> messages from the KX3 Utility, when run on a modern Macintosh (mine’s 
> running OS-X Mojave, 10.14.4), about the software not being usable on 
> future versions? It’s to do with 32-bit versus 64-bit and future versions 
> of the OS not running old software.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Regards
> Andy, G8TQH
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Re: [Elecraft] Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility

[Andy McMullin]

Excellent. I look forward to seeing new versions of the OSX Utilities for the 
Elecraft line sometime soon then.

Regards
Andy, G8TQH

> On 27 Mar 2019, at 18:37, Charles Johnson  wrote:
> 
> No, you are not the only person who uses a Mac with their Elecraft equipment 
> and macOS utilities. Elecraft is aware of the 32 bit limitation, and so is 
> the developer of the KX3 app for macOS. I expect 64 bit versions of all 
> Elecraft utilities will be released before the general release of the next 
> OS, assuming the pre-release developer versions have 32 bit support removed.
> 
> 73, Charles, K4ZRJ
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 27, 2019, at 2:10 PM, Andy McMullin  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Charles. 
>> 
>> So, am I the only person interested in using my Elecraft kit with a Mac in 
>> the future? If not, how can we get this app updated to work on Macs from now 
>> on? Who do we need to ask?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 27 Mar 2019, at 17:55, Charles Johnson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Unless Apple changes its position on 32 bit software like the KX3 Utility, 
>>> 32 bit apps will not run on the next major release of macOS. The warning 
>>> message is just that - a warning message that the app in question will not 
>>> run on future version of the OS. The warning messages appears at random 
>>> times, but is still valid. One can use the Activity Monitor app to 
>>> determine what software is 32 bit and what is 64 bit.
>>> 
>>> I’m a registered Apple developer, and have updated my apps to 64 bit code 
>>> long ago, but some apps are written in such a way as to make conversion to 
>>> 64 bit code problematic.
>>> 
>>> I believe Elecraft produces the Windows versions of the apps, but the macOS 
>>> and Linux versions are undertaken by others such as W4SMT. 
>>> 
>>> 73, Charles, K4ZRJ
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 27, 2019, at 12:05 PM, Andy McMullin  wrote:
 
 Hi All,
 
 This might seem like an odd question, but I’ve tried a search of the mail 
 list archive and not found the answer. 
 
 Does anyone know if there is a trick or other way around the error 
 messages from the KX3 Utility, when run on a modern Macintosh (mine’s 
 running OS-X Mojave, 10.14.4), about the software not being usable on 
 future versions? It’s to do with 32-bit versus 64-bit and future versions 
 of the OS not running old software.
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
 Regards
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Re: [Elecraft] Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility

[Charles Johnson via Elecraft]

No, you are not the only person who uses a Mac with their Elecraft equipment 
and macOS utilities. Elecraft is aware of the 32 bit limitation, and so is the 
developer of the KX3 app for macOS. I expect 64 bit versions of all Elecraft 
utilities will be released before the general release of the next OS, assuming 
the pre-release developer versions have 32 bit support removed.

73, Charles, K4ZRJ



> On Mar 27, 2019, at 2:10 PM, Andy McMullin  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Charles. 
> 
> So, am I the only person interested in using my Elecraft kit with a Mac in 
> the future? If not, how can we get this app updated to work on Macs from now 
> on? Who do we need to ask?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 27 Mar 2019, at 17:55, Charles Johnson  wrote:
>> 
>> Unless Apple changes its position on 32 bit software like the KX3 Utility, 
>> 32 bit apps will not run on the next major release of macOS. The warning 
>> message is just that - a warning message that the app in question will not 
>> run on future version of the OS. The warning messages appears at random 
>> times, but is still valid. One can use the Activity Monitor app to determine 
>> what software is 32 bit and what is 64 bit.
>> 
>> I’m a registered Apple developer, and have updated my apps to 64 bit code 
>> long ago, but some apps are written in such a way as to make conversion to 
>> 64 bit code problematic.
>> 
>> I believe Elecraft produces the Windows versions of the apps, but the macOS 
>> and Linux versions are undertaken by others such as W4SMT. 
>> 
>> 73, Charles, K4ZRJ
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 27, 2019, at 12:05 PM, Andy McMullin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> This might seem like an odd question, but I’ve tried a search of the mail 
>>> list archive and not found the answer. 
>>> 
>>> Does anyone know if there is a trick or other way around the error messages 
>>> from the KX3 Utility, when run on a modern Macintosh (mine’s running OS-X 
>>> Mojave, 10.14.4), about the software not being usable on future versions? 
>>> It’s to do with 32-bit versus 64-bit and future versions of the OS not 
>>> running old software.
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> Andy, G8TQH
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Re: [Elecraft] Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility

[Andy McMullin]

Thanks Charles. 

So, am I the only person interested in using my Elecraft kit with a Mac in the 
future? If not, how can we get this app updated to work on Macs from now on? 
Who do we need to ask?

Sent from my iPhone

> On 27 Mar 2019, at 17:55, Charles Johnson  wrote:
> 
> Unless Apple changes its position on 32 bit software like the KX3 Utility, 32 
> bit apps will not run on the next major release of macOS. The warning message 
> is just that - a warning message that the app in question will not run on 
> future version of the OS. The warning messages appears at random times, but 
> is still valid. One can use the Activity Monitor app to determine what 
> software is 32 bit and what is 64 bit.
> 
> I’m a registered Apple developer, and have updated my apps to 64 bit code 
> long ago, but some apps are written in such a way as to make conversion to 64 
> bit code problematic.
> 
> I believe Elecraft produces the Windows versions of the apps, but the macOS 
> and Linux versions are undertaken by others such as W4SMT. 
> 
> 73, Charles, K4ZRJ
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 27, 2019, at 12:05 PM, Andy McMullin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> This might seem like an odd question, but I’ve tried a search of the mail 
>> list archive and not found the answer. 
>> 
>> Does anyone know if there is a trick or other way around the error messages 
>> from the KX3 Utility, when run on a modern Macintosh (mine’s running OS-X 
>> Mojave, 10.14.4), about the software not being usable on future versions? 
>> It’s to do with 32-bit versus 64-bit and future versions of the OS not 
>> running old software.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance.
>> 
>> Regards
>> Andy, G8TQH
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Re: [Elecraft] Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility

[Charles Johnson via Elecraft]

Unless Apple changes its position on 32 bit software like the KX3 Utility, 32 
bit apps will not run on the next major release of macOS. The warning message 
is just that - a warning message that the app in question will not run on 
future version of the OS. The warning messages appears at random times, but is 
still valid. One can use the Activity Monitor app to determine what software is 
32 bit and what is 64 bit.

I’m a registered Apple developer, and have updated my apps to 64 bit code long 
ago, but some apps are written in such a way as to make conversion to 64 bit 
code problematic.

I believe Elecraft produces the Windows versions of the apps, but the macOS and 
Linux versions are undertaken by others such as W4SMT. 

73, Charles, K4ZRJ



> On Mar 27, 2019, at 12:05 PM, Andy McMullin  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> This might seem like an odd question, but I’ve tried a search of the mail 
> list archive and not found the answer. 
> 
> Does anyone know if there is a trick or other way around the error messages 
> from the KX3 Utility, when run on a modern Macintosh (mine’s running OS-X 
> Mojave, 10.14.4), about the software not being usable on future versions? 
> It’s to do with 32-bit versus 64-bit and future versions of the OS not 
> running old software.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Regards
> Andy, G8TQH
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Re: [Elecraft] Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility

[Phil Hystad via Elecraft]

The warning message does not merely appear just once with the first launch of 
the software but on subsequent lauches as well (after shutdown of the app).  
However, I have noticed that if a subsequent launch is within a small period of 
time after an earlier launch where the message was shown, then the message does 
not appear again.  However, after a longer period of time, the message on 
launch will appear again.

Now, definitions for "small period of time" and "longer period of time" would 
be your own assessment because I have found that it is different intervals 
depending what I guess to be arbitrary (or, unknown to me).



> On Mar 27, 2019, at 9:43 AM, Andy McMullin  wrote:
> 
> It might go away, but is it still valid? Doesn’t it mean that any day soon an 
> update to the OS will stop the utility working? Then where are we?
> 
> Regards
> Andy, G8TQH
> 
>> On 27 Mar 2019, at 16:36, TJ Campie  wrote:
>> 
>> Doesn't that warning go away after the first launch of the software?  I
>> don't recall seeing it again after using the K3 software for the first time.
>> 
>> 
>> 73, W0EA
>> TJ
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Re: [Elecraft] Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility

[Andy McMullin]

It might go away, but is it still valid? Doesn’t it mean that any day soon an 
update to the OS will stop the utility working? Then where are we?

Regards
Andy, G8TQH

> On 27 Mar 2019, at 16:36, TJ Campie  wrote:
> 
> Doesn't that warning go away after the first launch of the software?  I
> don't recall seeing it again after using the K3 software for the first time.
> 
> 
> 73, W0EA
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Re: [Elecraft] Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility

[TJ Campie]

Doesn't that warning go away after the first launch of the software?  I
don't recall seeing it again after using the K3 software for the first time.


73, W0EA
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[Elecraft] Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility

[Andy McMullin]

Hi All,

This might seem like an odd question, but I’ve tried a search of the mail list 
archive and not found the answer. 

Does anyone know if there is a trick or other way around the error messages 
from the KX3 Utility, when run on a modern Macintosh (mine’s running OS-X 
Mojave, 10.14.4), about the software not being usable on future versions? It’s 
to do with 32-bit versus 64-bit and future versions of the OS not running old 
software.

Thanks in advance.

Regards
Andy, G8TQH
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[Elecraft] KX3 Utility & PX3 Utility - Future on OSX?

[Jeff Hughes]

The present KX3 Utility and PX3 Utility are 32-bit apps on Apple’s OSX 
platform.  Does anyone know if Elecraft plans to update these to 64-bit anytime 
soon?  With the release of the next version of OSX later this year, those 
applications will no longer work in their current guise.

Thanks for any insight…

73, Jeff K4EI

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3-Utility worked in May but not now.

[Nr4c]

Why 4800 baud?

I think it works better at 34.8. 

And the KXUSB that I got with my KX3 was a FTDI based unit. 

Unplug all USB devices except the one for the radio. See what Device Manager 
has to say. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Nov 27, 2018, at 11:58 PM, JEROME SODUS  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> 
> As the subject-line states, my records show that all was good this past May 
> when I checked if I was up-to-date firmware-wise.
> 
> Also, in September, for the power-up sequence, I successfully used the 
> Utility to put in a banner with my call-sign.
> 
> 
> The idea today was to get DX-Lab and its WinWarbler connected to the KX3.
> 
> I had read that the KX3's CW-decoding could be displayed in WinWarbler.
> 
> 
> But now, I have an issue and I'm not even out of the starting-gate.
> 
> The Utility's tab "Firmware" shows that wheels are spinning in "Attempting to 
> connect KX3 on port COM3 at " using various bit/s speeds.
> 
> The KX3 is set at 4800 bits/s.
> 
> 
> So, I used Win10's trouble-shooting and got this message:
> 
> The error I get is "Prolific USB-to-Serial Comm Port (COM8) has a driver 
> problem."
> 
> 
> I'm mystified that I see COM3 in one place and COM8 in another.
> 
> I have no idea what to do next.
> 
> I was horrified to read that I had a Prolific USB adapter; so much bad press 
> about Prolific.
> 
> TIA for any help.
> 
> 73 Jerry KM3K
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[Elecraft] KX3-Utility worked in May but not now.

[JEROME SODUS]

Hello,


As the subject-line states, my records show that all was good this past May 
when I checked if I was up-to-date firmware-wise.

Also, in September, for the power-up sequence, I successfully used the Utility 
to put in a banner with my call-sign.


The idea today was to get DX-Lab and its WinWarbler connected to the KX3.

I had read that the KX3's CW-decoding could be displayed in WinWarbler.


But now, I have an issue and I'm not even out of the starting-gate.

The Utility's tab "Firmware" shows that wheels are spinning in "Attempting to 
connect KX3 on port COM3 at " using various bit/s speeds.

The KX3 is set at 4800 bits/s.


So, I used Win10's trouble-shooting and got this message:

The error I get is "Prolific USB-to-Serial Comm Port (COM8) has a driver 
problem."


I'm mystified that I see COM3 in one place and COM8 in another.

I have no idea what to do next.

I was horrified to read that I had a Prolific USB adapter; so much bad press 
about Prolific.

TIA for any help.

73 Jerry KM3K
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX3 Utility error on Mac OS X High Sierra

[David Fleming via Elecraft]

Hi Christer,

You want the FTDI VCP Drivers, not the D2XX. As Jack mentioned, the FTDI 
drivers are now provided by Apple and are included in all versions since OS X 
10.9. You should uninstall the D2XX drivers. 

Also try deleting the KX3 Utility app, and it's preferences file, and download 
again from the Elecraft web site and reinstall. The preferences file is located 
in the /Users/your_user_name/Library/Preferences folder on the Mac. The Library 
folder is usually hidden. A quick way to get there is to click the "Go" menu in 
Finder and press the "option" key. The Library folder will then appear in the 
Go menu. The KX3 Utility preferences file is named "KX3UtilPrefs". 

Regards,

David, W4SMT


On Friday, September 14, 2018, 10:40:57 AM EDT, Christer Palm via Elecraft 
 wrote: 

Hi!
I have big problems getting Elecraft KX3 Utility work on Mac OS X High Sierra. 
The application opens but will not connect to the KX3

error log when starting application is 

/BuildRoot/Library/Caches/com.apple.xbs/Sources/AppleFSCompression/AppleFSCompression-96.60.1/Common/ChunkCompression.cpp:49:
 Error: unsupported compressor 8
/BuildRoot/Library/Caches/com.apple.xbs/Sources/AppleFSCompression/AppleFSCompression-96.60.1/Libraries/CompressData/CompressData.c:353:
 Error: Unknown compression scheme encountered for file 
'/System/Library/CoreServices/CoreTypes.bundle/Contents/Resources/Exceptions.plist'
/BuildRoot/Library/Caches/com.apple.xbs/Sources/AppleFSCompression/AppleFSCompression-96.60.1/Common/ChunkCompression.cpp:49:
 Error: unsupported compressor 8
/BuildRoot/Library/Caches/com.apple.xbs/Sources/AppleFSCompression/AppleFSCompression-96.60.1/Libraries/CompressData/CompressData.c:353:
 Error: Unknown compression scheme encountered for file 
'/System/Library/CoreServices/CoreTypes.bundle/Contents/Library/AppExceptions.bundle/Exceptions.plist'

Any Ideas? Yes I have the D2XX drivers and gone through the installation guides 
several times, as well as numerous restarts in between.

That in advance for usable advice 
  
73 SA0PAL, Christer


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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX3 Utility error on Mac OS X High Sierra

[Christer Palm via Elecraft]

Thanks Don!

I Have the FTDrivers as well but had not restarted the Mac. After that 
everything works fine!

73, Christer

> On 14 Sep 2018, at 17:19, Don Wilhelm  wrote:
> 
> Christer,
> 
> I don't know about the D2XX drivers.  You need to have the FTDI drivers.  You 
> can download them from https://www.ftdichip.com/FTDrivers.htm.
> 
> The first step is to get your computer to enumerate the COM port associated 
> with the USB to serial adapter.  Having that number, put it into the KX3 
> Utility PORT tab and Test Communications.
> 
> Once the utility connects, everything else should go smoothly.
> 
> A rhetorical question - Why have I seen this problem recently from Mac users? 
>  Perhaps the Mac software is no longer using the proper drivers for the FTDI 
> adapter.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 9/14/2018 10:40 AM, Christer Palm via Elecraft wrote:
>> Hi!
>> I have big problems getting Elecraft KX3 Utility work on Mac OS X High 
>> Sierra. The application opens but will not connect to the KX3
>> Any Ideas? Yes I have the D2XX drivers and gone through the installation 
>> guides several times, as well as numerous restarts in between.
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX3 Utility error on Mac OS X High Sierra

[Jack Brindle via Elecraft]

Chris;

The FTDI drivers are now maintained by Apple (since Mac OS X 10.9), so there is 
no need for installing the ones from FTDI. In fact you probably should 
uninstall them to allow the Apple drivers to do their job.

But this isn’t an I/O issue. This looks like there is a corrupt file the 
application is trying, but failing to read. There should be a crash dump that 
was created when the program crashed. Open the Console app (in 
/Applications/Utilities) and look in the various directories it shows for an 
appropriately named crash log. That should tell us a lot more.

One question - did you try to copy a file from a Windows machine into the Mac 
for this application?

Perhaps David (the app author) might want to jump in here as well. He might 
have a much better feel for why we are seeing these errors.

73!
Jack, W6FB

> On Sep 14, 2018, at 7:40 AM, Christer Palm via Elecraft 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I have big problems getting Elecraft KX3 Utility work on Mac OS X High 
> Sierra. The application opens but will not connect to the KX3
> 
> error log when starting application is 
> 
> /BuildRoot/Library/Caches/com.apple.xbs/Sources/AppleFSCompression/AppleFSCompression-96.60.1/Common/ChunkCompression.cpp:49:
>  Error: unsupported compressor 8
> /BuildRoot/Library/Caches/com.apple.xbs/Sources/AppleFSCompression/AppleFSCompression-96.60.1/Libraries/CompressData/CompressData.c:353:
>  Error: Unknown compression scheme encountered for file 
> '/System/Library/CoreServices/CoreTypes.bundle/Contents/Resources/Exceptions.plist'
> /BuildRoot/Library/Caches/com.apple.xbs/Sources/AppleFSCompression/AppleFSCompression-96.60.1/Common/ChunkCompression.cpp:49:
>  Error: unsupported compressor 8
> /BuildRoot/Library/Caches/com.apple.xbs/Sources/AppleFSCompression/AppleFSCompression-96.60.1/Libraries/CompressData/CompressData.c:353:
>  Error: Unknown compression scheme encountered for file 
> '/System/Library/CoreServices/CoreTypes.bundle/Contents/Library/AppExceptions.bundle/Exceptions.plist'
> 
> Any Ideas? Yes I have the D2XX drivers and gone through the installation 
> guides several times, as well as numerous restarts in between.
> 
> That in advance for usable advice 
> 
> 73 SA0PAL, Christer
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX3 Utility error on Mac OS X High Sierra

[Phil Hystad via Elecraft]

One thing to try is to download a fresh new FTDi driver and install that.



> On Sep 14, 2018, at 8:38 AM, Grant Youngman  wrote:
> 
> That’s a good question.  I’m a Mac user, and have never had a problem.  So it 
> doesn’t sound like it’s some “universal” issue with macOS.
> 
> Grant NQ5T
> K3 #2091 KX3 #8342
> 
>> 
>> 
>> A rhetorical question - Why have I seen this problem recently from Mac 
>> users?  Perhaps the Mac software is no longer using the proper drivers for 
>> the FTDI adapter.
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX3 Utility error on Mac OS X High Sierra

[Grant Youngman]

That’s a good question.  I’m a Mac user, and have never had a problem.  So it 
doesn’t sound like it’s some “universal” issue with macOS.

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091 KX3 #8342

> 
> 
> A rhetorical question - Why have I seen this problem recently from Mac users? 
>  Perhaps the Mac software is no longer using the proper drivers for the FTDI 
> adapter.
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX3 Utility error on Mac OS X High Sierra

[Don Wilhelm]

Christer,

I don't know about the D2XX drivers.  You need to have the FTDI drivers. 
 You can download them from https://www.ftdichip.com/FTDrivers.htm.


The first step is to get your computer to enumerate the COM port 
associated with the USB to serial adapter.  Having that number, put it 
into the KX3 Utility PORT tab and Test Communications.


Once the utility connects, everything else should go smoothly.

A rhetorical question - Why have I seen this problem recently from Mac 
users?  Perhaps the Mac software is no longer using the proper drivers 
for the FTDI adapter.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/14/2018 10:40 AM, Christer Palm via Elecraft wrote:

Hi!
I have big problems getting Elecraft KX3 Utility work on Mac OS X High Sierra. 
The application opens but will not connect to the KX3

Any Ideas? Yes I have the D2XX drivers and gone through the installation guides 
several times, as well as numerous restarts in between.



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[Elecraft] Elecraft KX3 Utility error on Mac OS X High Sierra

[Christer Palm via Elecraft]

Hi!
I have big problems getting Elecraft KX3 Utility work on Mac OS X High Sierra. 
The application opens but will not connect to the KX3

error log when starting application is 

/BuildRoot/Library/Caches/com.apple.xbs/Sources/AppleFSCompression/AppleFSCompression-96.60.1/Common/ChunkCompression.cpp:49:
 Error: unsupported compressor 8
/BuildRoot/Library/Caches/com.apple.xbs/Sources/AppleFSCompression/AppleFSCompression-96.60.1/Libraries/CompressData/CompressData.c:353:
 Error: Unknown compression scheme encountered for file 
'/System/Library/CoreServices/CoreTypes.bundle/Contents/Resources/Exceptions.plist'
/BuildRoot/Library/Caches/com.apple.xbs/Sources/AppleFSCompression/AppleFSCompression-96.60.1/Common/ChunkCompression.cpp:49:
 Error: unsupported compressor 8
/BuildRoot/Library/Caches/com.apple.xbs/Sources/AppleFSCompression/AppleFSCompression-96.60.1/Libraries/CompressData/CompressData.c:353:
 Error: Unknown compression scheme encountered for file 
'/System/Library/CoreServices/CoreTypes.bundle/Contents/Library/AppExceptions.bundle/Exceptions.plist'

Any Ideas? Yes I have the D2XX drivers and gone through the installation guides 
several times, as well as numerous restarts in between.

That in advance for usable advice 
   
73 SA0PAL, Christer


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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility Linux version

[Dave B via Elecraft]

Don't forget ...

    sudo apt install curl

on a command line, If you find it errors trying to get the firmware
updates from Elecraft.


Also, it's just:-

    file kx3util

on a command line, from within the directory where the "target" file
(kx3util) is, to find out it's details.

dave@G0WBX-Dell-System-XPS-L502X ~/Elecraft/kx3util_1_14_4_11 $ file kx3util
kx3util: ELF 32-bit LSB  executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV),
dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, stripped

(an older version of the utility.)

73.

Dave G0WBX (currently using Mint 17.2 32 bit.)



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> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility Linux version
> Message-ID: <6574d2ac-395d-4538-9761-7a53b5cea...@sy-edm.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> KX3 Utils
>
> I am running a totally basic Ubuntu Environment (64 bit).
>
> I will get the KX3 Utils, extract and check the file type
>
> mkdir /elecraft 
> chdir /elecraft
> wget http://www.elecraft.com/software/KX3/KX3UtilityLINUX_1_16_6_25.tgz  
> tar -zxvf KX3UtilityLINUX_1_16_6_25.tgz
> cd kx3util_1_16_6_25
>
> Now to see what this file is 
>
> file file kx3util
>
> I get the following output?.
>
> kx3util: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), 
> dynamically linked, interpreter /lib/ld-linux.so.2, for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, 
> stripped
>
> Ok  - it is a 32bit Image? So it will not run. 
>
> Here?s how to fix it, by  adding the i386 Package ability, and then adding 
> some needed libs
>
> dpkg --add-architecture i386
> apt-get update 
> apt-get install libc6:i386 libncurses5:i386 libstdc++6:i386
>
> Now if I check the file kx3util I can see it has resolved the i386 links 
> (because I added the the i386 libs)
>
> ldd kx3util
>   linux-gate.so.1 =>  (0xf77d)
>   libdl.so.2 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libdl.so.2 (0xf77c4000)
>   libpthread.so.0 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libpthread.so.0 (0xf77a7000)
>   libstdc++.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6 (0xf763)
>   libm.so.6 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libm.so.6 (0xf75db000)
>   libgcc_s.so.1 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgcc_s.so.1 (0xf75be000)
>   libc.so.6 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 (0xf7407000)
>   /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xf77d1000)
>
> Hope that is a slightly clearer instruction.
>
> Should you want to automate this using Docker, this is the docker script for 
> this.
>
>
> FROM ubuntu:16.04
> MAINTAINER a4...@sy-edm.com
>
> #Purpose of this project is test KX3 util
> #by adding i386 lib references
> #It will pull the elecraft kx3 utility into /elecraft
> #
> #Suggested Build:
> #docker -t test/kx3:1.0 dockerfile
> #
> #Suggested Run:
> #docker run -it test/kx3:1.0
> run apt-get update && \
> apt-get install wget -y
>
> run dpkg --add-architecture i386 && \
> apt-get update && \
> mkdir /elecraft && \
> chdir /elecraft && \
> wget http://www.elecraft.com/software/KX3/KX3UtilityLINUX_1_16_6_25.tgz 
> && \
> tar -zxvf KX3UtilityLINUX_1_16_6_25.tgz && \
> apt-get install -y libc6:i386 libncurses5:i386 libstdc++6:i386
>
>
>
> Best regards
>
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility Linux version

[Dave B via Elecraft]

Don't let a few idiots put you off Linux.

Look into the linux...@groups.io mailing list (the home of Fldigi etc)
Lots of GOOD help on there, by many who remember our initial frustration
with it all.  (Some Elecraft users there too.)

As to one OS vs another.  Linux is different, that is all.

Do any of you remember when you first started using Windows or Mac*?
I'll bet that was just as frustrating and confusing then, as if you
expect to "just jump in, and survive" with Linux (or BSD, or MacOS)
these days.

(* Has to be said, that back in the Steve Jobs days, the UI was truly a
work of art, you didn't need instructions.  Since his sad demise, it's
all gone a bit Pete Tong.)

As others have said, it is possible to have a PC that will boot it's
original OS (Windows or Mac) or one or more versions of Linux (or any
other OS) so you can choose at boot time what you want.

Yes, there are several well known Ham Radio programs that have no
"Direct equivalent" Linux version, but there is other equaly good
software native to Linux that will do the same job.  Mostly.

There are also some that have no equivalent, or even anything close
(sadly.)   Some of them will run under WINE, some wont.

But, unless you use them all the time every day, you won't need them
most of the time.  (Thinking here of Motorola DMR programming software
as an example.)  In such cases, just boot into Windows, get that job
done, then if needed reboot back into Linux (or whatever) and carry on.

If you want to just get your toes wet, without risk of corrupting or
bricking your main PC, get another, or even a Raspberry Pi, to
experiment on.  The Pi's are good, as the whole OS etc fits on one SD
card.  If you mess it up, it's trivial to wipe and start over.

The latest Pi's are really good and powerful machines too, much more
than you'd expect from something of it's size, and at the price, can't
be beat.

Dont give up.  Keep moving.  Explore the pre-built packages first,
before trying to learn how to compile stuf from source.

But when ready, get onto the Fldigi wiki, and follow the build
instructions there, to build and install the latest Fldigi etc.
http://www.w1hkj.com/doku/doku.php?id=start

If needed, ask on linuxham.io for assistance, and it will be given.

73.

Dave G0WBX.

(KX3, TS870s, FT736r, Mostly Linux these days, but still use Windows at
work.)


On 12/06/18 15:11, elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net wrote:
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility Linux version
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> Re:?? "if you don't understand the language, go away".
> 
> THANK YOU, DON!!!
> 
> I agree with your entire post.? I have actually asked for help in forums, and 
> the responders have made typos what they tell me to type, and then they brow 
> beat me because they made a mistake.? One of them actually said, "You should 
> have known what I meant to type!"? YIKES!? Not exactly a friendly community.
> 
> Every time I think about switching to Linux, it doesn't take me long to 
> reconsider.? Way too many hours are spent trying to make things work.? It 
> just isn't worth the trouble.
> 
> Mark
> KE6BB
> 
> null

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility Linux version

[George Pasek]

Ok, here’s what was sent to me to get the 32 bit KX3UtilityLINUX_1_16_6_25.tgz 
installed on Linux Mint ‘Sylvia’  Cinnamon Desktop edition 18.3  64-bit.  
Now the KX3 Utility is running.
tnx to all that responded.
de  George
WD0AKZ
dit – dit
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Try these suggestions to get 32-bit running.

*  Dependencies for use with Elecraft Linux-based Utilities 


1) 32 bit vs 64 bit Distributions 

The Elecraft Utilities for Linux are 32-bit and require installing 32-bit 
compatiblity libraries on 64-bit distros that will allow 32-bit apps to run. 




On Unbuntu 14 and later based distros:

sudo apt-get install libwebkitgtk-1.0.0:i386

sudo apt-get install libcanberra-gtk-module:i386

sudo apt-get install libc6:i386 libncurses5:i386 libstdc++6:i386 
libglib2.0-0:i386 libsoup2.4-1:i386 libgtk2.0-0:i386

2) cURL must be installed on your Linux distro for FTP

You will have to install cURL if it is not pre-installed. Most distros have it 
pre-installed, but not all. It is easy to install from a terminal:

sudo apt-get install curl

3) Ensure your DialOut groups are set up properly

Most users, other than root and members of the dialout group, do not have 
read/write permissions on the serial port device files. The Utilities cannot 
access the serial ports if the user does not have r/w permissions. An easy way 
to set the permissions is to add the user to the dialout group.

sudo adduser username dialout

4) All files and directories included in the gzipped tar file must be kept 
together in the same location. The "Help directory", "Libs" directory (ie 
k3util Libs), and executable binary (ie k3util) must all be located together in 
the same directory. 

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility Linux version

[rich hurd WC3T]

Simultaneous Perioheral Opeations On Line.   :)

On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 21:23 Mike Markowski  wrote:

> I don't reach as far back as bus & tag pairs, but I'm with you, Rich.
> :-)  TOPS-10, MCP, VMS, and the best - Unix!  A picture I shared here
> recently of a fun little retro computer recreation:
>
>http://udel.edu/~mm/pidp8i/
>
> Running the original os/8.  Fun stuff.
>
> SPOOL...system peripheral  off line.  Almost!
>
> 73,
> Mike ab3ap
>
> On 06/12/2018 09:08 PM, rich hurd WC3T wrote:
> > Brownie points if you know what SPOOL meant. Without resorting to
> > Google-fu.
> >
> > I'm still a green-screen guy at heart.  Give me a raised floor and a
> bunch
> > of bus and tag pairs, and I'm in heaven.
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility Linux version

[Mike Markowski]

I don't reach as far back as bus & tag pairs, but I'm with you, Rich. 
:-)  TOPS-10, MCP, VMS, and the best - Unix!  A picture I shared here 
recently of a fun little retro computer recreation:


  http://udel.edu/~mm/pidp8i/

Running the original os/8.  Fun stuff.

SPOOL...system peripheral  off line.  Almost!

73,
Mike ab3ap

On 06/12/2018 09:08 PM, rich hurd WC3T wrote:

Brownie points if you know what SPOOL meant. Without resorting to
Google-fu.

I'm still a green-screen guy at heart.  Give me a raised floor and a bunch
of bus and tag pairs, and I'm in heaven.

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility Linux version

[kevinr]

special processing output online



On 06/12/2018 06:08 PM, rich hurd WC3T wrote:

Brownie points if you know what SPOOL meant. Without resorting to
Google-fu.

I'm still a green-screen guy at heart.  Give me a raised floor and a bunch
of bus and tag pairs, and I'm in heaven.

On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 13:17 Fred Jensen  wrote:


I've migrated through several OS worlds over the decades.  IBM's
universe had a significant amount of acronyms that required careful
tongue maneuvers to pronounce ... "DASD" was one of the easiest, as was
"ISAM" ["Incredibly Slow Access Method"].  EB-se-dick, a little harder.
Eventually, Unix became essential and I grep-ped and glob-bed, and
struggled with regular expressions about as much as I had to with
partial differential equations.  When I retired, I decided to learn how
to read Russian with all the free time I was going to have.  Russian was
much easier than Unix.  The free time never materialized.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 6/11/2018 9:34 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

If you are not good at deciphering cryptic messages with geek words,
don't use Linux.
I do wish it were better, but Linux seems to be steeped in "geekdom
language" - if you are not educated in the language, you do not
deserve to be part of our culture.
Until Linux produces plain text language for errors and such messages,
it will not be a major player in the computer operating systems.
Windows has its share of cryptic messages, but at least it is in plain
text and does not often refer to "gobbledygook" that is only
understood by Windows geeks.
I have tried Linux and have been stiffed by questions to the forums
saying essentially "if you don't understand the language, go away".
I am not a computer dummy - I understand DOS, but the Linux language
is a thing unto itself.
Ubuntu and Linux Mint have reduced the Linux install process
difficulty, but have not tackled the cryptic messages that can result.
If you only want to do only email and web surfing, then Linux can work
well for you, but anything else can be daunting with cryptic requests
to enter a nonsensical string of commands for "who knows what results"
and be shamed by the forum geeks who blame you for not understanding
the language.

73,
Don W3FPR

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility Linux version

[rich hurd WC3T]

Brownie points if you know what SPOOL meant. Without resorting to
Google-fu.

I'm still a green-screen guy at heart.  Give me a raised floor and a bunch
of bus and tag pairs, and I'm in heaven.

On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 13:17 Fred Jensen  wrote:

> I've migrated through several OS worlds over the decades.  IBM's
> universe had a significant amount of acronyms that required careful
> tongue maneuvers to pronounce ... "DASD" was one of the easiest, as was
> "ISAM" ["Incredibly Slow Access Method"].  EB-se-dick, a little harder.
> Eventually, Unix became essential and I grep-ped and glob-bed, and
> struggled with regular expressions about as much as I had to with
> partial differential equations.  When I retired, I decided to learn how
> to read Russian with all the free time I was going to have.  Russian was
> much easier than Unix.  The free time never materialized.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
>
> On 6/11/2018 9:34 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> > If you are not good at deciphering cryptic messages with geek words,
> > don't use Linux.
> > I do wish it were better, but Linux seems to be steeped in "geekdom
> > language" - if you are not educated in the language, you do not
> > deserve to be part of our culture.
> > Until Linux produces plain text language for errors and such messages,
> > it will not be a major player in the computer operating systems.
> > Windows has its share of cryptic messages, but at least it is in plain
> > text and does not often refer to "gobbledygook" that is only
> > understood by Windows geeks.
> > I have tried Linux and have been stiffed by questions to the forums
> > saying essentially "if you don't understand the language, go away".
> > I am not a computer dummy - I understand DOS, but the Linux language
> > is a thing unto itself.
> > Ubuntu and Linux Mint have reduced the Linux install process
> > difficulty, but have not tackled the cryptic messages that can result.
> > If you only want to do only email and web surfing, then Linux can work
> > well for you, but anything else can be daunting with cryptic requests
> > to enter a nonsensical string of commands for "who knows what results"
> > and be shamed by the forum geeks who blame you for not understanding
> > the language.
> >
> > 73,
> > Don W3FPR
>
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility Linux version

[Fred Jensen]

I've migrated through several OS worlds over the decades.  IBM's 
universe had a significant amount of acronyms that required careful 
tongue maneuvers to pronounce ... "DASD" was one of the easiest, as was 
"ISAM" ["Incredibly Slow Access Method"].  EB-se-dick, a little harder.  
Eventually, Unix became essential and I grep-ped and glob-bed, and 
struggled with regular expressions about as much as I had to with 
partial differential equations.  When I retired, I decided to learn how 
to read Russian with all the free time I was going to have.  Russian was 
much easier than Unix.  The free time never materialized.


73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 6/11/2018 9:34 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
If you are not good at deciphering cryptic messages with geek words, 
don't use Linux.
I do wish it were better, but Linux seems to be steeped in "geekdom 
language" - if you are not educated in the language, you do not 
deserve to be part of our culture.
Until Linux produces plain text language for errors and such messages, 
it will not be a major player in the computer operating systems.
Windows has its share of cryptic messages, but at least it is in plain 
text and does not often refer to "gobbledygook" that is only 
understood by Windows geeks.
I have tried Linux and have been stiffed by questions to the forums 
saying essentially "if you don't understand the language, go away".
I am not a computer dummy - I understand DOS, but the Linux language 
is a thing unto itself.
Ubuntu and Linux Mint have reduced the Linux install process 
difficulty, but have not tackled the cryptic messages that can result.
If you only want to do only email and web surfing, then Linux can work 
well for you, but anything else can be daunting with cryptic requests 
to enter a nonsensical string of commands for "who knows what results" 
and be shamed by the forum geeks who blame you for not understanding 
the language.


73,
Don W3FPR


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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility Linux version

[Edward R Cole]

Just as "Life is  too short for QRP", Life is too short for devoting 
my retirement years to learning Linux.


It seems these days more hams are professional computer geeks but 
total amateurs with understanding RF.  Evidence: the growing 
population of wireless noise floor.  Some day they will be looking 
for some old bent over RF engineer to rescue their mess (aka Y2K).


Me?  Just a bent former mw engineer (of course).  Keep the faith, Don!
My first computer was a Comadore-64. Then a job in 1982 with the 
original PC (8080) and DOS 1.1.  Had to self-teach myself to program 
(BASIC) so I could do my job.  I'm pretty good a coding but that 
bores the sh*t out me.


At a job interview with IBM many, many years ago, when asked what i 
was interested in doing, I answered microwave engineering ... I 
didn't get the job with IBM (LOL).


73, Ed - KL7UW
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility Linux version

[hawley, charles j jr]

Amusing image...

Chuck
KE9UW


From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] on 
behalf of Charlie T [pin...@erols.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 10:24 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility Linux version

And THAT reminds me of a time when Aunt Matilda just got her pension check
and someone stole her purse.
Her niece explained to the local cop saying:  "That guy just stole my aunt's
pay".

The cop replied, " OK lady, cut the 'pig-latin' and tell me how it
happened".

Any of y'all old enough to understand that?

73, Charlie k3ICH




-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 10:58 AM
To: Mark 
Cc: a45wg ; George Pasek ;
elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility Linux version

Reminds me of the kids in grade school who encrypted their conversations so
nobody else felt welcome. Trouble is, the rest of us learned more by
communicating freely.

Chuck
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility Linux version

[Charlie T]

And THAT reminds me of a time when Aunt Matilda just got her pension check
and someone stole her purse.
Her niece explained to the local cop saying:  "That guy just stole my aunt's
pay".

The cop replied, " OK lady, cut the 'pig-latin' and tell me how it
happened".

Any of y'all old enough to understand that?

73, Charlie k3ICH




-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 10:58 AM
To: Mark 
Cc: a45wg ; George Pasek ;
elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility Linux version

Reminds me of the kids in grade school who encrypted their conversations so
nobody else felt welcome. Trouble is, the rest of us learned more by
communicating freely.

Chuck
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility Linux version

[hawley, charles j jr]

Reminds me of the kids in grade school who encrypted their conversations so 
nobody else felt welcome. Trouble is, the rest of us learned more by 
communicating freely.

Chuck
KE9UW

Sent from my iPhone, cjack 

> On Jun 12, 2018, at 1:42 AM, Mark via Elecraft  
> wrote:
> 
> Re:   "if you don't understand the language, go away".
> 
> THANK YOU, DON!!!
> 
> I agree with your entire post.  I have actually asked for help in forums, and 
> the responders have made typos what they tell me to type, and then they brow 
> beat me because they made a mistake.  One of them actually said, "You should 
> have known what I meant to type!"  YIKES!  Not exactly a friendly community.
> 
> Every time I think about switching to Linux, it doesn't take me long to 
> reconsider.  Way too many hours are spent trying to make things work.  It 
> just isn't worth the trouble.
> 
> Mark
> KE6BB
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility Linux version

[Paul Stoetzer]

Or release it as source so it can be compiled and packaged for all
distributions.

73,

Paul, N8HM



On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 10:09 AM, James Austin  wrote:
> Perhaps Elecraft could compile this app in both 32-bit and 64-bit flavors.
>
> Dealing with this kind of Linux stuff is not something most people should
> have to do.
>
> Jim/KA2RVO
>
> On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 2:26 AM a45wg  wrote:
>
>> KX3 Utils
>>
>> I am running a totally basic Ubuntu Environment (64 bit).
>>
>> I will get the KX3 Utils, extract and check the file type
>>
>> mkdir /elecraft
>> chdir /elecraft
>> wget
>> http://www.elecraft.com/software/KX3/KX3UtilityLINUX_1_16_6_25.tgz
>> tar -zxvf KX3UtilityLINUX_1_16_6_25.tgz
>> cd kx3util_1_16_6_25
>>
>> Now to see what this file is
>>
>> file file kx3util
>>
>> I get the following output….
>>
>> kx3util: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV),
>> dynamically linked, interpreter /lib/ld-linux.so.2, for GNU/Linux 2.6.0,
>> stripped
>>
>> Ok  - it is a 32bit Image… So it will not run.
>>
>> Here’s how to fix it, by  adding the i386 Package ability, and then adding
>> some needed libs
>>
>> dpkg --add-architecture i386
>> apt-get update
>> apt-get install libc6:i386 libncurses5:i386 libstdc++6:i386
>>
>> Now if I check the file kx3util I can see it has resolved the i386 links
>> (because I added the the i386 libs)
>>
>> ldd kx3util
>> linux-gate.so.1 =>  (0xf77d)
>> libdl.so.2 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libdl.so.2 (0xf77c4000)
>> libpthread.so.0 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libpthread.so.0 (0xf77a7000)
>> libstdc++.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6
>> (0xf763)
>> libm.so.6 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libm.so.6 (0xf75db000)
>> libgcc_s.so.1 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgcc_s.so.1 (0xf75be000)
>> libc.so.6 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 (0xf7407000)
>> /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xf77d1000)
>>
>> Hope that is a slightly clearer instruction.
>>
>> Should you want to automate this using Docker, this is the docker script
>> for this.
>>
>>
>> FROM ubuntu:16.04
>> MAINTAINER a4...@sy-edm.com
>>
>> #Purpose of this project is test KX3 util
>> #by adding i386 lib references
>> #It will pull the elecraft kx3 utility into /elecraft
>> #
>> #Suggested Build:
>> #docker -t test/kx3:1.0 dockerfile
>> #
>> #Suggested Run:
>> #docker run -it test/kx3:1.0
>> run apt-get update && \
>> apt-get install wget -y
>>
>> run dpkg --add-architecture i386 && \
>> apt-get update && \
>> mkdir /elecraft && \
>> chdir /elecraft && \
>> wget
>> http://www.elecraft.com/software/KX3/KX3UtilityLINUX_1_16_6_25.tgz && \
>> tar -zxvf KX3UtilityLINUX_1_16_6_25.tgz && \
>> apt-get install -y libc6:i386 libncurses5:i386 libstdc++6:i386
>>
>>
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>> Tim, A45WG => DU3/M0FGC
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility Linux version

[James Austin]

Perhaps Elecraft could compile this app in both 32-bit and 64-bit flavors.

Dealing with this kind of Linux stuff is not something most people should
have to do.

Jim/KA2RVO

On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 2:26 AM a45wg  wrote:

> KX3 Utils
>
> I am running a totally basic Ubuntu Environment (64 bit).
>
> I will get the KX3 Utils, extract and check the file type
>
> mkdir /elecraft
> chdir /elecraft
> wget
> http://www.elecraft.com/software/KX3/KX3UtilityLINUX_1_16_6_25.tgz
> tar -zxvf KX3UtilityLINUX_1_16_6_25.tgz
> cd kx3util_1_16_6_25
>
> Now to see what this file is
>
> file file kx3util
>
> I get the following output….
>
> kx3util: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV),
> dynamically linked, interpreter /lib/ld-linux.so.2, for GNU/Linux 2.6.0,
> stripped
>
> Ok  - it is a 32bit Image… So it will not run.
>
> Here’s how to fix it, by  adding the i386 Package ability, and then adding
> some needed libs
>
> dpkg --add-architecture i386
> apt-get update
> apt-get install libc6:i386 libncurses5:i386 libstdc++6:i386
>
> Now if I check the file kx3util I can see it has resolved the i386 links
> (because I added the the i386 libs)
>
> ldd kx3util
> linux-gate.so.1 =>  (0xf77d)
> libdl.so.2 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libdl.so.2 (0xf77c4000)
> libpthread.so.0 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libpthread.so.0 (0xf77a7000)
> libstdc++.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6
> (0xf763)
> libm.so.6 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libm.so.6 (0xf75db000)
> libgcc_s.so.1 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgcc_s.so.1 (0xf75be000)
> libc.so.6 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 (0xf7407000)
> /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xf77d1000)
>
> Hope that is a slightly clearer instruction.
>
> Should you want to automate this using Docker, this is the docker script
> for this.
>
>
> FROM ubuntu:16.04
> MAINTAINER a4...@sy-edm.com
>
> #Purpose of this project is test KX3 util
> #by adding i386 lib references
> #It will pull the elecraft kx3 utility into /elecraft
> #
> #Suggested Build:
> #docker -t test/kx3:1.0 dockerfile
> #
> #Suggested Run:
> #docker run -it test/kx3:1.0
> run apt-get update && \
> apt-get install wget -y
>
> run dpkg --add-architecture i386 && \
> apt-get update && \
> mkdir /elecraft && \
> chdir /elecraft && \
> wget
> http://www.elecraft.com/software/KX3/KX3UtilityLINUX_1_16_6_25.tgz && \
> tar -zxvf KX3UtilityLINUX_1_16_6_25.tgz && \
> apt-get install -y libc6:i386 libncurses5:i386 libstdc++6:i386
>
>
>
> Best regards
>
> Tim, A45WG => DU3/M0FGC
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility Linux version

[a45wg]

KX3 Utils

I am running a totally basic Ubuntu Environment (64 bit).

I will get the KX3 Utils, extract and check the file type

mkdir /elecraft 
chdir /elecraft
wget http://www.elecraft.com/software/KX3/KX3UtilityLINUX_1_16_6_25.tgz  
tar -zxvf KX3UtilityLINUX_1_16_6_25.tgz
cd kx3util_1_16_6_25

Now to see what this file is 

file file kx3util

I get the following output….

kx3util: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically 
linked, interpreter /lib/ld-linux.so.2, for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, stripped

Ok  - it is a 32bit Image… So it will not run. 

Here’s how to fix it, by  adding the i386 Package ability, and then adding some 
needed libs

dpkg --add-architecture i386
apt-get update 
apt-get install libc6:i386 libncurses5:i386 libstdc++6:i386

Now if I check the file kx3util I can see it has resolved the i386 links 
(because I added the the i386 libs)

ldd kx3util
linux-gate.so.1 =>  (0xf77d)
libdl.so.2 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libdl.so.2 (0xf77c4000)
libpthread.so.0 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libpthread.so.0 (0xf77a7000)
libstdc++.so.6 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6 (0xf763)
libm.so.6 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libm.so.6 (0xf75db000)
libgcc_s.so.1 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgcc_s.so.1 (0xf75be000)
libc.so.6 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 (0xf7407000)
/lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xf77d1000)

Hope that is a slightly clearer instruction.

Should you want to automate this using Docker, this is the docker script for 
this.


FROM ubuntu:16.04
MAINTAINER a4...@sy-edm.com

#Purpose of this project is test KX3 util
#by adding i386 lib references
#It will pull the elecraft kx3 utility into /elecraft
#
#Suggested Build:
#docker -t test/kx3:1.0 dockerfile
#
#Suggested Run:
#docker run -it test/kx3:1.0
run apt-get update && \
apt-get install wget -y

run dpkg --add-architecture i386 && \
apt-get update && \
mkdir /elecraft && \
chdir /elecraft && \
wget http://www.elecraft.com/software/KX3/KX3UtilityLINUX_1_16_6_25.tgz && \
tar -zxvf KX3UtilityLINUX_1_16_6_25.tgz && \
apt-get install -y libc6:i386 libncurses5:i386 libstdc++6:i386



Best regards

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility Linux version

[Mark via Elecraft]

Re:   "if you don't understand the language, go away".

THANK YOU, DON!!!

I agree with your entire post.  I have actually asked for help in forums, and 
the responders have made typos what they tell me to type, and then they brow 
beat me because they made a mistake.  One of them actually said, "You should 
have known what I meant to type!"  YIKES!  Not exactly a friendly community.

Every time I think about switching to Linux, it doesn't take me long to 
reconsider.  Way too many hours are spent trying to make things work.  It just 
isn't worth the trouble.

Mark
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility Linux version

[Michael Eberle]

oops,  I meant sudo/sbin/ldconfig -v


On 6/12/2018 00:24, Michael Eberle wrote:

Go to a terminal window and issue the command: sudo /sbin/ldcongig v

This solved that problem for me.

73
Mike KI0HA

On 6/11/2018 21:54, George Pasek wrote:

Thanks for the suggestion Chris.  The response was:
./kx3util: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: 
cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory.


So it looks like it is a library issue.



tnx

George


From: Chris Hallinan
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 9:35 AM
To: pasek...@umn.edu
Cc: mailto:elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility Linux version

If you open an terminal, change directory 'cd' to where the 
executable is, and try to execute it manually by typing "./execname" 
(don't forget the dot slash)


that will expose any error messages that are not displayed when you 
execute through a file manager by clicking on the icon.


It's probably a library issue.

Chris


On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 10:27 AM George Pasek  wrote:

   I have been using the Windows version of the KX3 Utility but now 
that I have
   Linux Mint ‘Sylvia’  Cinnamon Desktop edition  18.3  64-bit 
installed as
   dual boot with Windows 7 I want to install the Linux version of 
the KX3
   Utility.  I downloaded KX3UtilityLINUX_1_16_6_25.tgz and extracted 
it to a
   Linux folder.  It has a Help and Kx3util Libs sub directories as 
well as a
   Kx3util executable file.  If I click on the executable file or 
attempt to
   launch it via a desktop shortcut, nothing happens, no errors or 
warnings.


   I did read the "Minimum Operating System Requirements for Elecraft
   Utilities:  X86-based Linux: GTK+ 2.8 or later, glibc-2.4, 
libstdc++.so.6

   and cURL. 64-bit Linux requires 32-bit compatibility libraries"
   requirements, and I also read that my version of Linux is 64 bit 
but comes
   with the 32 bit libraries installed and is backward compatible 
with 32 bit
   programs.  The Help folder has nothing about installation that I 
saw, and a

   Google search on Kx3util and Linux was no help.

   I'm sure I missed something so if someone could point me in the right
   direction I'd really like to get it installed.

   tnx for the help.

   de George
   WD0AKZ
   dit - dit


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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility Linux version

[Andy Yates]

Looks like a "typo" to me,  : instead of L.

Andy W4KIL

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility Linux version

[Michael Eberle]

Go to a terminal window and issue the command: sudo /sbin/ldcongig v

This solved that problem for me.

73
Mike KI0HA

On 6/11/2018 21:54, George Pasek wrote:

Thanks for the suggestion Chris.  The response was:
./kx3util: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open 
shared object file: No such file or directory.

So it looks like it is a library issue.



tnx

George


From: Chris Hallinan
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 9:35 AM
To: pasek...@umn.edu
Cc: mailto:elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility Linux version

If you open an terminal, change directory 'cd' to where the executable is, and try to 
execute it manually by typing "./execname" (don't forget the dot slash)

that will expose any error messages that are not displayed when you execute 
through a file manager by clicking on the icon.

It's probably a library issue.

Chris


On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 10:27 AM George Pasek  wrote:

   I have been using the Windows version of the KX3 Utility but now that I have
   Linux Mint ‘Sylvia’  Cinnamon Desktop edition  18.3  64-bit installed as
   dual boot with Windows 7 I want to install the Linux version of the KX3
   Utility.  I downloaded KX3UtilityLINUX_1_16_6_25.tgz and extracted it to a
   Linux folder.  It has a Help and Kx3util Libs sub directories as well as a
   Kx3util executable file.  If I click on the executable file or attempt to
   launch it via a desktop shortcut, nothing happens, no errors or warnings.

   I did read the "Minimum Operating System Requirements for Elecraft
   Utilities:  X86-based Linux: GTK+ 2.8 or later, glibc-2.4, libstdc++.so.6
   and cURL. 64-bit Linux requires 32-bit compatibility libraries"
   requirements, and I also read that my version of Linux is 64 bit but comes
   with the 32 bit libraries installed and is backward compatible with 32 bit
   programs.  The Help folder has nothing about installation that I saw, and a
   Google search on Kx3util and Linux was no help.

   I'm sure I missed something so if someone could point me in the right
   direction I'd really like to get it installed.

   tnx for the help.

   de George
   WD0AKZ
   dit - dit


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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility Linux version

[Don Wilhelm]

If you are not good at deciphering cryptic messages with geek words, 
don't use Linux.
I do wish it were better, but Linux seems to be steeped in "geekdom 
language" - if you are not educated in the language, you do not deserve 
to be part of our culture.
Until Linux produces plain text language for errors and such messages, 
it will not be a major player in the computer operating systems.
Windows has its share of cryptic messages, but at least it is in plain 
text and does not often refer to "gobbledygook" that is only understood 
by Windows geeks.
I have tried Linux and have been stiffed by questions to the forums 
saying essentially "if you don't understand the language, go away".
I am not a computer dummy - I understand DOS, but the Linux language is 
a thing unto itself.
Ubuntu and Linux Mint have reduced the Linux install process difficulty, 
but have not tackled the cryptic messages that can result.
If you only want to do only email and web surfing, then Linux can work 
well for you, but anything else can be daunting with cryptic requests to 
enter a nonsensical string of commands for "who knows what results" and 
be shamed by the forum geeks who blame you for not understanding the 
language.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/11/2018 11:00 PM, George Pasek wrote:
./exec said: ./kx3util: error while loading shared libraries: 
libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory


Add Arch support
   sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386
Followed by
    sudo apt-get update
    Hit:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial InRelease
    Hit:2 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-security InRelease
    Hit:3 http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu xenial InRelease
    Hit:4 http://ppa.launchpad.net/dansmith/chirp-snapshots/ubuntu 
xenial InRelease

    Hit:5 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-updates InRelease
    Hit:6 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-backports InRelease
    Ign:7 http://packages.linuxmint.com sylvia InRelease
    Hit:8 http://packages.linuxmint.com sylvia Release
    Reading package lists... Done
   sudo apt-get install libc6:i386 libncurses5:i386 libstdc++6Li386
    Reading package lists... Done
    Building dependency tree
    Reading state information... Done
    E: Unable to locate package libstdc++6Li386
    E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'libstdc++6Li386'

I think I'll just stick to Windows for now for Kx3 Utility.  Maybe in 
the future there will be a step-by-step install for us Linux dummies.



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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility Linux version

[George Pasek]

./exec said: ./kx3util: error while loading shared libraries: 
libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory


Add Arch support
  sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386
Followed by
   sudo apt-get update
   Hit:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial InRelease
   Hit:2 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-security InRelease
   Hit:3 http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu xenial InRelease
   Hit:4 http://ppa.launchpad.net/dansmith/chirp-snapshots/ubuntu xenial 
InRelease

   Hit:5 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-updates InRelease
   Hit:6 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-backports InRelease
   Ign:7 http://packages.linuxmint.com sylvia InRelease
   Hit:8 http://packages.linuxmint.com sylvia Release
   Reading package lists... Done
  sudo apt-get install libc6:i386 libncurses5:i386 libstdc++6Li386
   Reading package lists... Done
   Building dependency tree
   Reading state information... Done
   E: Unable to locate package libstdc++6Li386
   E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'libstdc++6Li386'

I think I'll just stick to Windows for now for Kx3 Utility.  Maybe in the 
future there will be a step-by-step install for us Linux dummies.


tnx
George


-Original Message- 
From: a45wg

Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 9:31 AM
To: George Pasek
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility Linux version

George,

First check the app is 32 bit

 * ldd - will probably fail
 * ./exec - probably says No File
 * File info exec show it is i386 file

Add Arch support

  sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386

Followed by

   sudo apt-get update
  sudo apt-get install libc6:i386 libncurses5:i386 libstdc++6Li386

You may need the odd extrac package but you should be on your way (I hope 
with this)


Regards

Tim
A45WG



On Jun 11, 2018, at 6:26 PM, George Pasek  wrote:

I have been using the Windows version of the KX3 Utility but now that I 
have Linux Mint ‘Sylvia’  Cinnamon Desktop edition  18.3  64-bit installed 
as dual boot with Windows 7 I want to install the Linux version of the KX3 
Utility.  I downloaded KX3UtilityLINUX_1_16_6_25.tgz and extracted it to a 
Linux folder.  It has a Help and Kx3util Libs sub directories as well as a 
Kx3util executable file.  If I click on the executable file or attempt to 
launch it via a desktop shortcut, nothing happens, no errors or warnings.


I did read the "Minimum Operating System Requirements for Elecraft 
Utilities:  X86-based Linux: GTK+ 2.8 or later, glibc-2.4, libstdc++.so.6 
and cURL. 64-bit Linux requires 32-bit compatibility libraries" 
requirements, and I also read that my version of Linux is 64 bit but comes 
with the 32 bit libraries installed and is backward compatible with 32 bit 
programs.  The Help folder has nothing about installation that I saw, and 
a Google search on Kx3util and Linux was no help.


I'm sure I missed something so if someone could point me in the right 
direction I'd really like to get it installed.


tnx for the help.

de George
WD0AKZ
dit - dit


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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility Linux version

[George Pasek]

Thanks for the suggestion Chris.  The response was:  
./kx3util: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open 
shared object file: No such file or directory. 

So it looks like it is a library issue.



tnx

George 


From: Chris Hallinan 
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 9:35 AM
To: pasek...@umn.edu 
Cc: mailto:elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility Linux version

If you open an terminal, change directory 'cd' to where the executable is, and 
try to execute it manually by typing "./execname" (don't forget the dot slash)  

that will expose any error messages that are not displayed when you execute 
through a file manager by clicking on the icon.

It's probably a library issue.

Chris


On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 10:27 AM George Pasek  wrote:

  I have been using the Windows version of the KX3 Utility but now that I have 
  Linux Mint ‘Sylvia’  Cinnamon Desktop edition  18.3  64-bit installed as 
  dual boot with Windows 7 I want to install the Linux version of the KX3 
  Utility.  I downloaded KX3UtilityLINUX_1_16_6_25.tgz and extracted it to a 
  Linux folder.  It has a Help and Kx3util Libs sub directories as well as a 
  Kx3util executable file.  If I click on the executable file or attempt to 
  launch it via a desktop shortcut, nothing happens, no errors or warnings.

  I did read the "Minimum Operating System Requirements for Elecraft 
  Utilities:  X86-based Linux: GTK+ 2.8 or later, glibc-2.4, libstdc++.so.6 
  and cURL. 64-bit Linux requires 32-bit compatibility libraries" 
  requirements, and I also read that my version of Linux is 64 bit but comes 
  with the 32 bit libraries installed and is backward compatible with 32 bit 
  programs.  The Help folder has nothing about installation that I saw, and a 
  Google search on Kx3util and Linux was no help.

  I'm sure I missed something so if someone could point me in the right 
  direction I'd really like to get it installed.

  tnx for the help.

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility Linux version

[Bill]

This, sadly, is the downfall of Linux. Nothing is easy! Linux mainstream 
versions such as Ubuntu and Mint are great systems - I run Mint dual 
boot with Win 10 here. That said, I use the Win 10 side for everything 
to do with my K-Line. I am spoiled, as are many others, by the ease of 
installation/operation of the software I use on a regular basis.


Further, some software I use is not replaceable under Linux. There is 
nothing up to the job available.


Wine is not the answer, as many Win programs will not properly run under 
Wine/Linux - if at all. Recently, there is also a problem with Wine 
itself - as being discussed on various Linux forums.


Personally, I would much prefer to run Linux 100% - for various reasons 
(mainly security). That said, until Linux is made much more friendly to 
the new user and the available software library drastically increases, 
it will never be more than a very minor player at the user level. Linux 
is, however, a major player in higher levels.


Bill W2BLC K-Line


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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility Linux version

[Chris Hallinan]

If you open an terminal, change directory 'cd' to where the executable is,
and try to execute it manually by typing "./execname" (don't forget the dot
slash)

that will expose any error messages that are not displayed when you execute
through a file manager by clicking on the icon.

It's probably a library issue.

Chris


On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 10:27 AM George Pasek  wrote:

> I have been using the Windows version of the KX3 Utility but now that I
> have
> Linux Mint ‘Sylvia’  Cinnamon Desktop edition  18.3  64-bit installed as
> dual boot with Windows 7 I want to install the Linux version of the KX3
> Utility.  I downloaded KX3UtilityLINUX_1_16_6_25.tgz and extracted it to a
> Linux folder.  It has a Help and Kx3util Libs sub directories as well as a
> Kx3util executable file.  If I click on the executable file or attempt to
> launch it via a desktop shortcut, nothing happens, no errors or warnings.
>
> I did read the "Minimum Operating System Requirements for Elecraft
> Utilities:  X86-based Linux: GTK+ 2.8 or later, glibc-2.4, libstdc++.so.6
> and cURL. 64-bit Linux requires 32-bit compatibility libraries"
> requirements, and I also read that my version of Linux is 64 bit but comes
> with the 32 bit libraries installed and is backward compatible with 32 bit
> programs.  The Help folder has nothing about installation that I saw, and
> a
> Google search on Kx3util and Linux was no help.
>
> I'm sure I missed something so if someone could point me in the right
> direction I'd really like to get it installed.
>
> tnx for the help.
>
> de George
> WD0AKZ
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>
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility Linux version

[a45wg]

George,

First check the app is 32 bit

  * ldd - will probably fail
  * ./exec - probably says No File
  * File info exec show it is i386 file

Add Arch support

   sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386

Followed by

sudo apt-get update 
   sudo apt-get install libc6:i386 libncurses5:i386 libstdc++6Li386

You may need the odd extrac package but you should be on your way (I hope with 
this)

Regards

Tim
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> On Jun 11, 2018, at 6:26 PM, George Pasek  wrote:
> 
> I have been using the Windows version of the KX3 Utility but now that I have 
> Linux Mint ‘Sylvia’  Cinnamon Desktop edition  18.3  64-bit installed as dual 
> boot with Windows 7 I want to install the Linux version of the KX3 Utility.  
> I downloaded KX3UtilityLINUX_1_16_6_25.tgz and extracted it to a Linux 
> folder.  It has a Help and Kx3util Libs sub directories as well as a Kx3util 
> executable file.  If I click on the executable file or attempt to launch it 
> via a desktop shortcut, nothing happens, no errors or warnings.
> 
> I did read the "Minimum Operating System Requirements for Elecraft Utilities: 
>  X86-based Linux: GTK+ 2.8 or later, glibc-2.4, libstdc++.so.6 and cURL. 
> 64-bit Linux requires 32-bit compatibility libraries" requirements, and I 
> also read that my version of Linux is 64 bit but comes with the 32 bit 
> libraries installed and is backward compatible with 32 bit programs.  The 
> Help folder has nothing about installation that I saw, and a Google search on 
> Kx3util and Linux was no help.
> 
> I'm sure I missed something so if someone could point me in the right 
> direction I'd really like to get it installed.
> 
> tnx for the help.
> 
> de George
> WD0AKZ
> dit - dit
> 
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[Elecraft] KX3 Utility Linux version

[George Pasek]

I have been using the Windows version of the KX3 Utility but now that I have 
Linux Mint ‘Sylvia’  Cinnamon Desktop edition  18.3  64-bit installed as 
dual boot with Windows 7 I want to install the Linux version of the KX3 
Utility.  I downloaded KX3UtilityLINUX_1_16_6_25.tgz and extracted it to a 
Linux folder.  It has a Help and Kx3util Libs sub directories as well as a 
Kx3util executable file.  If I click on the executable file or attempt to 
launch it via a desktop shortcut, nothing happens, no errors or warnings.


I did read the "Minimum Operating System Requirements for Elecraft 
Utilities:  X86-based Linux: GTK+ 2.8 or later, glibc-2.4, libstdc++.so.6 
and cURL. 64-bit Linux requires 32-bit compatibility libraries" 
requirements, and I also read that my version of Linux is 64 bit but comes 
with the 32 bit libraries installed and is backward compatible with 32 bit 
programs.  The Help folder has nothing about installation that I saw, and a 
Google search on Kx3util and Linux was no help.


I'm sure I missed something so if someone could point me in the right 
direction I'd really like to get it installed.


tnx for the help.

de George
WD0AKZ
dit - dit


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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility Segmentation Fault in Linux

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

Hi Knut,

Because it relates to problems using our utility software his posting is 
certainly pertinent here. We have a lot of users who run our Utility s/w under 
Linux and the solution to his problem will help others. Just because you are not 
interested in a posting does not mean its inappropriate and does not interest 
others on the list. (The delete key is a wonderful tool to quickly eliminate 
those you do not wish to read..)


Also, your posting below used the word 'period' at the end is what I referred to 
as rude and in essence orders them to take it elsewhere.


"Ths Linux gobbledygook has no place here, period."

It sounds like a parent disciplining a child. Neither a polite nor a respectful 
statement to another discussion list member. The last thing we want to do is to 
scare others away from asking questions or helping other on the list.


If you have concerns about a posting please feel free to contact the list 
moderator and do -not- post them to the list. The moderator is the only list 
participant allowed to make any decisions about the appropriateness of a posting 
and to contact a poster or post on the list about them.


Whew! - I guess people have been spending way too little time on the air and way 
too much time on the internet lately.. ;-)  I'm out of time on this topic - so 
let's end the discussion for now.


73,

Eric   WA6HHQ
List moderator - when I have time away from my daily responsibilities at 
Elecraft..
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On 3/21/2018 5:22 PM, ab2tc wrote:

Hi,

I've responded in a direct email to Eric, but maybe it it did not reach the
group. so here it is:

Hi Eric,

With all respect, I was not by any means rude. How can it be rude to ask
somebody to take take their problems elsewhere where they belong? I do not
think that purely operating systems problems have any place on the reflector
and that goes for Windows, too. Had it it been just one or two postings, I
wouldn't have been annoyed, but this was just going on and on with Linux
jargon forever understood by precious few.

ab2tc - Knut


Please do not criticize or be rude to other's for their postings here.
That's
outside of Elecraft list guidelines.

In fact, since this is KX3 Utility related (for the Linux version) their
postings were certainly OK.

Eric
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility Segmentation Fault in Linux

[Chuck Milam, N9KY]

This seems quite relevant.  It literally has to do with getting
Elecraft-provided and supported software to function on an
Elecraft-supported computer operating system.

Given the software-driven nature of the Elecraft product line, you can
expect some discussion on software support issues on all of the various
computer operating systems supported by Elecraft.

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On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 6:47 PM, ab2tc  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Can you please move this conversation to a Linux guru forum? Ths Linux
> gobbledygook has no place here, period.
>
> AB2TC - Knut
>
>
> Just wanted to post a quick update. Since this problem started
> happening on 1 Mar 2018, I searched the archives and found the previous
> version of lib32-harfbuzz.  After installing that version of the
> package, now all the Elecraft linux utilities are working again on my
> system.
>
> https://archive.archlinux.org/repos/2018/02/28/multilib/os/x86_64/lib32
> -harfbuzz-1.7.1-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
>
> You can install this on Arch systems with the following command:
>
> pacman -U /path/to/lib32-harfbuzz-1.7.1-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
>
> If you do install this package, be sure to blacklist it from being
> upgraded by placing the following line /etc/pacman.conf:
>
> IgnorePkg   = lib32-harfbuzz
>
> 
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility Segmentation Fault in Linux

[Walter Underwood]

I run my ham software on Mac, not Linux, but I’d tag that post with “Nice 
Elmering”. It was specific and clear.

Sorry for the meta-discussion, but I rode herd on netnews discussion groups for 
5000+ engineers at HP for about a decade. I’ve seen more than my share of good 
and bad net behavior. 

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K6WRU
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> On Mar 21, 2018, at 4:54 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft 
>  wrote:
> 
> Please do not criticize or be rude to other's for their postings here. That's 
> outside of Elecraft list guidelines.
> 
> In fact, since this is KX3 Utility related (for the Linux version) their 
> postings were certainly OK.
> 
> Eric
> moderator from time to time..
> /elecraft.com/
> 
> On 3/21/2018 4:47 PM, ab2tc wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Can you please move this conversation to a Linux guru forum? Ths Linux
>> gobbledygook has no place here, period.
>> 
>> AB2TC - Knut
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility Segmentation Fault in Linux

[ab2tc]

Hi,

I've responded in a direct email to Eric, but maybe it it did not reach the
group. so here it is:

Hi Eric,

With all respect, I was not by any means rude. How can it be rude to ask
somebody to take take their problems elsewhere where they belong? I do not
think that purely operating systems problems have any place on the reflector
and that goes for Windows, too. Had it it been just one or two postings, I
wouldn't have been annoyed, but this was just going on and on with Linux
jargon forever understood by precious few.

ab2tc - Knut


Please do not criticize or be rude to other's for their postings here.
That's 
outside of Elecraft list guidelines.

In fact, since this is KX3 Utility related (for the Linux version) their 
postings were certainly OK.

Eric
moderator from time to time..
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On 3/21/2018 4:47 PM, ab2tc wrote:





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