Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters open this morning; listening 50.095 (CW)

[Edward R Cole]

Leroy and all,

Guess this opinion is from those who only work HF with a random wire 
dropped over the tree in the backyard.  Sure many tuners can load it 
and you can make some contacts, but it would not compare well with a 
"real yagi" designed for the frequency (which usually means its resonant).


Typical 3-element beam has 6-7 dB gain (not including ground gain 
effects) and my 6-element 6m yagi has 13 dBi free-space gain.  Gain 
provides more than more signal strength is also rejects noise from 
off-point directions.  Most HF wires loaded by atu on 6m produce 
mult-lobe patterns and have terrible efficiency.  You can even use a 
dummy load but it does not make a very good antenna.


A simple resonant half-wave dipole is way better antenna and how hard 
is it to make?  Should not take more than 20 minutes to have one up for FD.


I have quite a bit experience working ground-wave over 70-100 miles 
on 6m and it s**ks.  Of course most of the stations I am trying with 
have either verticals (for 52.50 FM) or loading their HF antenna. Yet 
this same 6-element yagi has worked ZS4TX via 6m eme!  Better believe 
ZS4TX was not loading his 80m dipole for that!


My neighbor 15 miles from me tries to use his G5RV on 6m with 100w 
but I can hardly hear him.  I'm using either my KX3 or K3 + PR6-10 
... with a real 6m antenna.


BTW 2m works way better for ground wave and tropo than 6m; 222 is 
often better than 2m.  VHF propagation is a different "animal" than 
working on HF (10m is closer to 6m in behavior).


BTW, Paul - K7CW is a dedicated 6m operator and runs with four 
stacked 6m yagis (long time friend).


73, Ed - KL7UW



From: "lmarion" <lmar...@mt.net>
To: <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>, "Bob McGraw K4TAX"
    <rmcg...@blomand.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters open this morning; listening 50.095
(CW)

Yes the tuners are great, and my 160 mtr full wave loop makes a good  6mtr
antenna, especially on receive.

But something about 6 mtrs on a beam, magic.

Hf beams, yeah they do mostly what you expect.  But something about the
short wave length, maybe.

Maybe 2 mtrs is that way too, I don't know.

But every 6 meter beam I have kicks butt.

My KX3 and a portable MFJ 6 meter 3ele beam works like a big gun station.

Leroy AB7CE


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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters open this morning; listening 50.095 (CW)

[Charlie T, K3ICH]

I think a lot of that comes from the fact that the average active 6M station 
runs a modest beam & 100 W.
So, any less than that average is at a disadvantage.
Obviously some run yuge beams and legal limit. Those station get through 1st, 
followed by the average stations and finally the rest.
6M offers every propagation mode known at one time or another. However, some 
openings only last a matter of minutes.
This is especially true for multiple hop sporadic E, not so much as when the 
MUF makes it to 50 MHz for true F2 openings.
F2 seems to last a tad longer.  Sporadic E can also be very localized where 
stations 50 miles apart are not in the "skip-zone".
During very active times, a few of us in the DC area keep in touch on 2M FM. We 
have all found for example, many times a station in Baltimore MD will hear the 
DX fine but someone in say, in no. Virginia hears nothing.
Give it twenty minutes and the situation reverses.
I have been active on 50MHz for over 50 years.  Taking advantage of the 6M 
propagation requires much more listening than transmitting because, relating to 
the comment above, calling a station in the noise is probably just clobbering 
the guys who CAN hear it.
Listen 1st. Analyze who's working what and where before just blasting away.
The beacons around 50.05 to 50.08 will tell you where the propagation is 
favoring. These beacons are all over the world, so use them to your advantage.

73, Charlie k3ICH



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Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 10:55 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net; Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcg...@blomand.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters open this morning; listening 50.095 (CW)

Yes the tuners are great, and my 160 mtr full wave loop makes a good  6mtr 
antenna, especially on receive.

But something about 6 mtrs on a beam, magic.

Hf beams, yeah they do mostly what you expect.  But something about the short 
wave length, maybe.

Maybe 2 mtrs is that way too, I don't know.

But every 6 meter beam I have kicks butt.

My KX3 and a portable MFJ 6 meter 3ele beam works like a big gun station.

Leroy AB7CE



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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters open this morning; listening 50.095 (CW)

[lmarion]

Yes the tuners are great, and my 160 mtr full wave loop makes a good  6mtr 
antenna, especially on receive.


But something about 6 mtrs on a beam, magic.

Hf beams, yeah they do mostly what you expect.  But something about the 
short wave length, maybe.


Maybe 2 mtrs is that way too, I don't know.

But every 6 meter beam I have kicks butt.

My KX3 and a portable MFJ 6 meter 3ele beam works like a big gun station.

Leroy AB7CE

-Original Message- 
From: Bob McGraw K4TAX

Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 7:11 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters open this morning; listening 50.095 (CW)

Yes, even my 160M center fed dipole {256 ft}  with its balanced feed
line and a 4:1 Guanella dual core current balun works quite nice on 6M.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 6/22/2017 2:48 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
If you have a K3, K3S, or KX3, with the built-in auto tuner, then any 
antenna is a 6 m antenna :-)


Wayne
N6KR



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On Jun 22, 2017, at 12:08 PM, Raymond Sills <raysil...@verizon.net> 
wrote:


That's telling me that six meters could be a valuable band during Field 
Day.  Consider having at least a dipole antenna that can to put into 
service.  If the E-clouds are active, participants could pick up quite a 
few points in a band that has lots of room.  The "skip" moves around a 
lot, but FD QSOs are short, so it could be a very productive band.  And 
you don't need power.. QRP is often as good as QRO.



73 de Ray
K2ULR
KX3 #211



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From: Wayne Burdick <n...@elecraft.com>
To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thu, Jun 22, 2017 1:11 pm
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters open this morning; listening 50.095 (CW)

Just had a quick QSO with K7CW in CN87, and I’m hearing a strong beacon 
from Kansas. DXmaps.com has red all over :)At times like this it pays to 
jump on 6 meters. 
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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters open this morning; listening 50.095 (CW)

[Bob McGraw K4TAX]

Yes, even my 160M center fed dipole {256 ft}  with its balanced feed 
line and a 4:1 Guanella dual core current balun works quite nice on 6M.


73

Bob, K4TAX


On 6/22/2017 2:48 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

If you have a K3, K3S, or KX3, with the built-in auto tuner, then any antenna 
is a 6 m antenna :-)

Wayne
N6KR



http://www.elecraft.com


On Jun 22, 2017, at 12:08 PM, Raymond Sills  wrote:

That's telling me that six meters could be a valuable band during Field Day.  Consider 
having at least a dipole antenna that can to put into service.  If the E-clouds are 
active, participants could pick up quite a few points in a band that has lots of room.  
The "skip" moves around a lot, but FD QSOs are short, so it could be a very 
productive band.  And you don't need power.. QRP is often as good as QRO.


73 de Ray
K2ULR
KX3 #211



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From: Wayne Burdick 
To: Elecraft Reflector 
Sent: Thu, Jun 22, 2017 1:11 pm
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters open this morning; listening 50.095 (CW)

Just had a quick QSO with K7CW in CN87, and I’m hearing a strong beacon from 
Kansas. DXmaps.com has red all over :)At times like this it pays to jump on 6 
meters. 
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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters open this morning; listening 50.095 (CW)

[Fred Jensen]

Well... I have an 80-10 End Fed on the top of the wood fence.  My KAT3 
easily tunes it to 6 meters with 1.1:1 SWR, however I've heard nothing 
except NW Reno [~10 mi], which probably wasn't Es.  Two reasons come to 
mind:


1.  The antenna is one-way on 6 meters

2.  Es is very selective as to location and apparently it isn't 
selecting Sparks NV.


73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 6/22/2017 12:48 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

If you have a K3, K3S, or KX3, with the built-in auto tuner, then any antenna 
is a 6 m antenna :-)

Wayne
N6KR



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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters open this morning; listening 50.095 (CW)

[tomb18]

YesBut it's funny because other people seem to be able to tune the antenna on 
6.Oh well, I'm in the process of making a 6m vertical dipole. 73 Tom 


Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
 Original message From: Wayne Burdick <n...@elecraft.com> Date: 
2017-06-22  4:08 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: tomb18 <tom...@videotron.ca> Cc: Raymond 
Sills <raysil...@verizon.net>, elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 
6 meters open this morning; listening 50.095 (CW) 
It's probably pretty narrow-banded. Did you try tapping ATU TUNE a second time 
within five seconds? The tuner tries about twice as many settings when you do 
that.

73,
Wayne
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On Jun 22, 2017, at 1:06 PM, tomb18 <tom...@videotron.ca> wrote:

BiHmmm, not my minibeam...a cushceaft ma5b.. Can't tune that at 6mTomva2fsq.com 


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 Original message From: Wayne Burdick <n...@elecraft.com> Date: 
2017-06-22  3:48 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Raymond Sills <raysil...@verizon.net> Cc: 
elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters open this morning; 
listening 50.095 (CW) 
If you have a K3, K3S, or KX3, with the built-in auto tuner, then any antenna 
is a 6 m antenna :-)

Wayne 
N6KR



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> On Jun 22, 2017, at 12:08 PM, Raymond Sills <raysil...@verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> That's telling me that six meters could be a valuable band during Field Day.  
> Consider having at least a dipole antenna that can to put into service.  If 
> the E-clouds are active, participants could pick up quite a few points in a 
> band that has lots of room.  The "skip" moves around a lot, but FD QSOs are 
> short, so it could be a very productive band.  And you don't need power.. QRP 
> is often as good as QRO.
> 
> 
> 73 de Ray
> K2ULR
> KX3 #211
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Wayne Burdick <n...@elecraft.com>
> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Thu, Jun 22, 2017 1:11 pm
> Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters open this morning; listening 50.095 (CW)
> 
> Just had a quick QSO with K7CW in CN87, and I’m hearing a strong beacon from 
> Kansas. DXmaps.com has red all over :)At times like this it pays to jump on 6 
> meters. 
> 73,WayneN6KR__Elecraft
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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters open this morning; listening 50.095 (CW)

[Wayne Burdick]

It's probably pretty narrow-banded. Did you try tapping ATU TUNE a second time 
within five seconds? The tuner tries about twice as many settings when you do 
that.

73,
Wayne
N6KR. 


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> On Jun 22, 2017, at 1:06 PM, tomb18 <tom...@videotron.ca> wrote:
> 
> Bi
> Hmmm, not my minibeam...a cushceaft ma5b.. Can't tune that at 6m
> Tom
> va2fsq.com 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Wayne Burdick <n...@elecraft.com>
> Date: 2017-06-22 3:48 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: Raymond Sills <raysil...@verizon.net>
> Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters open this morning; listening 50.095 (CW)
> 
> If you have a K3, K3S, or KX3, with the built-in auto tuner, then any antenna 
> is a 6 m antenna :-)
> 
> Wayne 
> N6KR
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.elecraft.com
> 
> > On Jun 22, 2017, at 12:08 PM, Raymond Sills <raysil...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > 
> > That's telling me that six meters could be a valuable band during Field 
> > Day.  Consider having at least a dipole antenna that can to put into 
> > service.  If the E-clouds are active, participants could pick up quite a 
> > few points in a band that has lots of room.  The "skip" moves around a lot, 
> > but FD QSOs are short, so it could be a very productive band.  And you 
> > don't need power.. QRP is often as good as QRO.
> > 
> > 
> > 73 de Ray
> > K2ULR
> > KX3 #211
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Wayne Burdick <n...@elecraft.com>
> > To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
> > Sent: Thu, Jun 22, 2017 1:11 pm
> > Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters open this morning; listening 50.095 (CW)
> > 
> > Just had a quick QSO with K7CW in CN87, and I’m hearing a strong beacon 
> > from Kansas. DXmaps.com has red all over :)At times like this it pays to 
> > jump on 6 meters. 
> > 73,WayneN6KR__Elecraft
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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters open this morning; listening 50.095 (CW)

[tomb18]

BiHmmm, not my minibeam...a cushceaft ma5b.. Can't tune that at 6mTomva2fsq.com 


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2017-06-22  3:48 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Raymond Sills <raysil...@verizon.net> Cc: 
elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters open this morning; 
listening 50.095 (CW) 
If you have a K3, K3S, or KX3, with the built-in auto tuner, then any antenna 
is a 6 m antenna :-)

Wayne 
N6KR



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> On Jun 22, 2017, at 12:08 PM, Raymond Sills <raysil...@verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> That's telling me that six meters could be a valuable band during Field Day.  
> Consider having at least a dipole antenna that can to put into service.  If 
> the E-clouds are active, participants could pick up quite a few points in a 
> band that has lots of room.  The "skip" moves around a lot, but FD QSOs are 
> short, so it could be a very productive band.  And you don't need power.. QRP 
> is often as good as QRO.
> 
> 
> 73 de Ray
> K2ULR
> KX3 #211
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Wayne Burdick <n...@elecraft.com>
> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Thu, Jun 22, 2017 1:11 pm
> Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters open this morning; listening 50.095 (CW)
> 
> Just had a quick QSO with K7CW in CN87, and I’m hearing a strong beacon from 
> Kansas. DXmaps.com has red all over :)At times like this it pays to jump on 6 
> meters. 
> 73,WayneN6KR__Elecraft
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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters open this morning; listening 50.095 (CW)

[Wayne Burdick]

If you have a K3, K3S, or KX3, with the built-in auto tuner, then any antenna 
is a 6 m antenna :-)

Wayne 
N6KR



http://www.elecraft.com

> On Jun 22, 2017, at 12:08 PM, Raymond Sills  wrote:
> 
> That's telling me that six meters could be a valuable band during Field Day.  
> Consider having at least a dipole antenna that can to put into service.  If 
> the E-clouds are active, participants could pick up quite a few points in a 
> band that has lots of room.  The "skip" moves around a lot, but FD QSOs are 
> short, so it could be a very productive band.  And you don't need power.. QRP 
> is often as good as QRO.
> 
> 
> 73 de Ray
> K2ULR
> KX3 #211
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Wayne Burdick 
> To: Elecraft Reflector 
> Sent: Thu, Jun 22, 2017 1:11 pm
> Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters open this morning; listening 50.095 (CW)
> 
> Just had a quick QSO with K7CW in CN87, and I’m hearing a strong beacon from 
> Kansas. DXmaps.com has red all over :)At times like this it pays to jump on 6 
> meters. 
> 73,WayneN6KR__Elecraft
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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters open this morning; listening 50.095 (CW)

[Raymond Sills]

That's telling me that six meters could be a valuable band during Field Day.  
Consider having at least a dipole antenna that can to put into service.  If the 
E-clouds are active, participants could pick up quite a few points in a band 
that has lots of room.  The "skip" moves around a lot, but FD QSOs are short, 
so it could be a very productive band.  And you don't need power.. QRP is often 
as good as QRO.


73 de Ray
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-Original Message-
From: Wayne Burdick 
To: Elecraft Reflector 
Sent: Thu, Jun 22, 2017 1:11 pm
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters open this morning; listening 50.095 (CW)

Just had a quick QSO with K7CW in CN87, and I’m hearing a strong beacon from 
Kansas. DXmaps.com has red all over :)At times like this it pays to jump on 6 
meters. 
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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters open this morning; listening 50.095 (CW)

[Jim Brown]

On Thu,6/22/2017 10:09 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

Just had a quick QSO with K7CW in CN87, and I’m hearing a strong beacon from 
Kansas. DXmaps.com has red all over:)


I heard you CQing and spotted you.

73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters open this morning; listening 50.095 (CW)

[Ken G Kopp]

I keep a 6M GP ... actually a 2M 5/8 wave vertical ... connected to my
K3's 2nd receiver antenna input (only) and monitoring 50.125 all the time.
The 2nd receiver is worth the investment for this purpose alone, IMO.

73!

Ken Kopp - K0PP

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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters open this morning; listening 50.095 (CW)

[lmarion]

a small three element beam works wonders on 6M

Leroy AB7CE

-Original Message- 
From: Wayne Burdick

Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 11:30 AM
To: Ken Arck
Cc: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters open this morning; listening 50.095 (CW)

Wow! I need a better antenna

Wayne



On Jun 22, 2017, at 10:28 AM, Ken Arck <k...@arcomcontrollers.com> wrote:

I have 16 countries on 6 meters (and 82 on 2 meters!)

Ken


At 10:09 AM 6/22/2017, Wayne Burdick wrote:
Just had a quick QSO with K7CW in CN87, and I’m hearing a strong beacon 
from Kansas. DXmaps.com has red all over :) At times like this it pays to 
jump on 6 meters. 73, Wayne N6KR




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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters open this morning; listening 50.095 (CW)

[Wayne Burdick]

Wow! I need a better antenna

Wayne


> On Jun 22, 2017, at 10:28 AM, Ken Arck  wrote:
> 
> I have 16 countries on 6 meters (and 82 on 2 meters!)
> 
> Ken
> 
> 
> At 10:09 AM 6/22/2017, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> Just had a quick QSO with K7CW in CN87, and I’m hearing a strong beacon 
>> from Kansas. DXmaps.com has red all over :) At times like this it pays to 
>> jump on 6 meters. 73, Wayne N6KR



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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters open this morning; listening 50.095 (CW)

[Ken Arck]

I have 16 countries on 6 meters (and 82 on 2 meters!)

Ken


At 10:09 AM 6/22/2017, Wayne Burdick wrote:
Just had a quick QSO with K7CW in CN87, and 
I’m hearing a strong beacon from Kansas. 
DXmaps.com has red all over :) At times like 
this it pays to jump on 6 meters. 73, Wayne N6KR 
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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

[lmarion]

Back some time when PSK31 first hit the scene, I was working the world with 
a 5 watt PSK31 Small Wonders QRP box.
Six meters opened, up, and I got on with PSK31. The DX clusters and such had 
a freakin cow. People called me names and

others begged me not to get on with PSK31.  I relented to keep the peace.

How times have changed.

73 Leroy AB7CE

-Original Message- 
From: Jim Brown

Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2017 9:48 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

YES, YES, YES!

I work CW, SSB, JT65, JT9, and MSK144 on 6M.  To monitor that, I set the
P3 for 50.083 to 50.283, scale of 24 dB, Ref level so that the waterfall
is black except for signals, maximum averaging (20), about 75% of the
display height for the waterfall. I generally set the main RX for
JT65/JT9 and the second RX to 50.125 SSB.

Setup is K3, P3/SVGA, KPA500, 4-el Yagi at 125 ft (3-el SteppIR + fixed
director).

And I keep this page on the computer.

http://www.dxmaps.com/spots/mapg.php?Lan==50==NA==ING2=

73, Jim K9YC

On Tue,6/6/2017 9:24 AM, Chris Tate - N6WM wrote:
I think what Wayne was actually saying (correct me if im wrong) is that 
people tend to forget and camp on 125, yesterday there were 3/4 stations 
having qso's simultaneously.  Find a run qrg up band, periodically 
dropping down and calling on 125.. the SSB calling frequency, and announce 
your up band run frequency, and use the A/B on your K3 to switch band and 
forth..  helps keep 125 free and clear for everyone to get a few in the 
log.



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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

[Jim Brown]

YES, YES, YES!

I work CW, SSB, JT65, JT9, and MSK144 on 6M.  To monitor that, I set the 
P3 for 50.083 to 50.283, scale of 24 dB, Ref level so that the waterfall 
is black except for signals, maximum averaging (20), about 75% of the 
display height for the waterfall. I generally set the main RX for 
JT65/JT9 and the second RX to 50.125 SSB.


Setup is K3, P3/SVGA, KPA500, 4-el Yagi at 125 ft (3-el SteppIR + fixed 
director).


And I keep this page on the computer.

http://www.dxmaps.com/spots/mapg.php?Lan==50==NA==ING2=

73, Jim K9YC

On Tue,6/6/2017 9:24 AM, Chris Tate - N6WM wrote:

I think what Wayne was actually saying (correct me if im wrong) is that people 
tend to forget and camp on 125, yesterday there were 3/4 stations having qso's 
simultaneously.  Find a run qrg up band, periodically dropping down and calling 
on 125.. the SSB calling frequency, and announce your up band run frequency, 
and use the A/B on your K3 to switch band and forth..  helps keep 125 free and 
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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

[David Anderson via Elecraft]

Don't say that Bill, hi.

73 from David GM4JJJ

> On 6 Jun 2017, at 21:08, Bill Johnson <k9...@live.com> wrote:
> 
> For some of us, that might not be too far away.  :-)
> 
> 73,
> Bill
> K9YEQ
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
> Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2017 9:44 AM
> To: David Anderson <gm4...@yahoo.co.uk>
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open
> 
> Thanks for the info, David. 
> 
> Unfortunately I think a lot of 6-m ops will have to go SK before they give up 
> using 50.125 MHz as a calling frequency :)
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 5:52 AM, David Anderson <gm4...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi folks,
>> 
>> Glad to see the interest in 6m, it is an amazing band when it opens even 
>> outside sunspot maximum.  Multihop Sporadic E can give DX right across the 
>> Atlantic and beyond.
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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

[Bill Johnson]

For some of us, that might not be too far away.  :-)

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2017 9:44 AM
To: David Anderson <gm4...@yahoo.co.uk>
Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

Thanks for the info, David. 

Unfortunately I think a lot of 6-m ops will have to go SK before they give up 
using 50.125 MHz as a calling frequency :)

73,
Wayne
N6KR


> On Jun 6, 2017, at 5:52 AM, David Anderson <gm4...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hi folks,
> 
> Glad to see the interest in 6m, it is an amazing band when it opens even 
> outside sunspot maximum.  Multihop Sporadic E can give DX right across the 
> Atlantic and beyond.


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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

[Wes Stewart]

When I partially migrated from HF to VHF in the 70's I jumped over six, went to 
2M and got involved in MS, Tropo and EME, hence I was never interested in 6M and 
never built any equipment for the band.  But, since I had acquired a K3, but no 
amp or tuner, I connected to my 80-meter inverted-vee and listened a bit during 
Field Day 2009.  I heard a local numbskull on top of a nearby 9,500 ASL mountain 
working Es stations on 50.125 without QSY.


In disgust I started tuning down into the DX window.  At 50.123+ I heard a weak 
CW CQ.  When he stood by, I gave him a call.  I probably had no more than a few 
watts into the dipole but he answered. It was JL8GFB!  In the log at 0014Z.  
Over an hour later, at 0122Z I heard and worked JA7WSZ on 50.096.  The local was 
still CQing and the band was open to JA but no one seemed to know.


Wes  N7WS



On 6/6/2017 9:56 AM, Josh wrote:

Chris,

What you're describing has always been proper operating etiquette.

However, they're referring to actually moving the calling freq up from 125. The 
problem is that 125 is the top edge of DX window. You get a strong local using 
SSB in 125 and it's too close to very weak DX.

73,
Josh W6XU



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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

[Josh]

Chris,

What you're describing has always been proper operating etiquette. 

However, they're referring to actually moving the calling freq up from 125. The 
problem is that 125 is the top edge of DX window. You get a strong local using 
SSB in 125 and it's too close to very weak DX. 

73,
Josh W6XU

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> On Jun 6, 2017, at 9:24 AM, Chris Tate - N6WM <ct...@ewnetinc.com> wrote:
> 
> I think what Wayne was actually saying (correct me if im wrong) is that 
> people tend to forget and camp on 125, yesterday there were 3/4 stations 
> having qso's simultaneously.  Find a run qrg up band, periodically dropping 
> down and calling on 125.. the SSB calling frequency, and announce your up 
> band run frequency, and use the A/B on your K3 to switch band and forth..  
> helps keep 125 free and clear for everyone to get a few in the log.   
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
> [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
> Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2017 7:44 AM
> To: David Anderson <gm4...@yahoo.co.uk>
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open
> 
> Thanks for the info, David. 
> 
> Unfortunately I think a lot of 6-m ops will have to go SK before they give up 
> using 50.125 MHz as a calling frequency :)
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

[Chris Tate - N6WM]

I think what Wayne was actually saying (correct me if im wrong) is that people 
tend to forget and camp on 125, yesterday there were 3/4 stations having qso's 
simultaneously.  Find a run qrg up band, periodically dropping down and calling 
on 125.. the SSB calling frequency, and announce your up band run frequency, 
and use the A/B on your K3 to switch band and forth..  helps keep 125 free and 
clear for everyone to get a few in the log.   

-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2017 7:44 AM
To: David Anderson <gm4...@yahoo.co.uk>
Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

Thanks for the info, David. 

Unfortunately I think a lot of 6-m ops will have to go SK before they give up 
using 50.125 MHz as a calling frequency :)

73,
Wayne
N6KR


> On Jun 6, 2017, at 5:52 AM, David Anderson <gm4...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hi folks,
> 
> Glad to see the interest in 6m, it is an amazing band when it opens even 
> outside sunspot maximum.  Multihop Sporadic E can give DX right across the 
> Atlantic and beyond.


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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

[lmarion]

What is the frequency they would like to change to?

73 Leroy AB7CE

-Original Message- 
From: Wayne Burdick

Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2017 8:44 AM
To: David Anderson
Cc: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

Thanks for the info, David.

Unfortunately I think a lot of 6-m ops will have to go SK before they give 
up using 50.125 MHz as a calling frequency :)


73,
Wayne
N6KR



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Hi folks,

Glad to see the interest in 6m, it is an amazing band when it opens even 
outside sunspot maximum.  Multihop Sporadic E can give DX right across the 
Atlantic and beyond.



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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

[Wayne Burdick]

Thanks for the info, David. 

Unfortunately I think a lot of 6-m ops will have to go SK before they give up 
using 50.125 MHz as a calling frequency :)

73,
Wayne
N6KR


> On Jun 6, 2017, at 5:52 AM, David Anderson  wrote:
> 
> Hi folks,
> 
> Glad to see the interest in 6m, it is an amazing band when it opens even 
> outside sunspot maximum.  Multihop Sporadic E can give DX right across the 
> Atlantic and beyond.


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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

[David Anderson via Elecraft]

Hi folks,

Glad to see the interest in 6m, it is an amazing band when it opens even 
outside sunspot maximum.  Multihop Sporadic E can give DX right across the 
Atlantic and beyond.

There is a "DX Window" between 50.100 and 50.125 MHz. (see ARRL Bandplan)  That 
means it is reserved by mutual agreements for intercontinental DX contacts. You 
might not hear anything there and think it is clear, but there are many 
worldwide DX stations monitoring that quiet window for other fleeting weak DX 
stations half way around the world and that can be spoilt by local stations 
using it. 

The ARRL bandplan mentions 50.100 to 125 for the DX window but there is a move 
to try and extend it to 130 and move Domestic SSB contacts to 200.

Some helpful advice at 

http://www.qsl.net/n1irz/sixmeter.html


The JT65 community are using 5O.276 and it is very crowded during openings as 
well as very S L O W. So when signals are strong enough it is usually much 
faster to shift to CW or SSB.

Also meteor scatter takes place using MSK144 with 15 sec periods on 50.280 at 
any time, inside and outside of meteor showers.

With all of the new digital modes there are constant changes to operating modes 
and frequencies and some attempts at getting consensus on faster modes like 
JT9H FAST to suit transatlantic multihop Es better.

See bottom of page at

https://www.qrz.com/db/VE1SKY

As with any band that you are new to, or haven't used for a while, it is a good 
idea to do a bit of reading about operating frequencies, i.e. Bandplans and 
listen first to find out what the protocols are before transmitting. 

I had a ball on Sunday working CW across to the east coast USA and heard the 
left coast on JT65 and Japan in the morning a couple of days earlier.

See you on the magic band! - 6m


73 from David GM4JJJ

> On 5 Jun 2017, at 20:41, Wayne Burdick  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tom,
> 
> USB, typically at 50.125-50.135, or CW around 50.090-50.100. 
> 
> This time of year there are frequent openings due to various propagation 
> modes. I just park the radio at 50.125, squelched. Occasionally you'll hear 
> someone pop up. 
> 
> Wayne 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 12:19 PM, Tom  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> Nothing up here in Montreal...but I've never been on 6m.  Is this USB?  FM?
>> Tom
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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

[Merv Schweigert via Elecraft]

To go from vertical to horizontal on SSB,  just turn the mic 90 degs,


Sweet!  See what I am missing because I only have one HF radio?  Can't
get Momma to understand this  I "need" a KX3 and a KX2 to go with my
K3s...  One in the shack, one in the truck, and one for backpacking
and/or backup when I send them in for updates y'all won't let me do.  :-D

??...  How do you make a 1000-watt QSO with 8-watts out on a dipole?
I've been looking for that very loophole in the laws of physics ALL MY
LIFE!  ;-)
Building a tri-band 6m/2m/70cm vertical dipole  Trying to figure out
how to build in ability to rotate from vert to horizontal so I can use
the same antenna on SSB, etc..  Maybe I'll just grab a multi-element 6m
quad and put it up, too.

73,

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MONTAC Enterprises
(318) 518-1389

On 6/5/2017 1:54 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

Just made a couple of 1000-watt QSOs around 50.125 (SSB and CW). Not exactly 
exotic DX, but not bad for 8 watts and a dipole at 25 feet.

If you haven’t tried 6 meters before, now would be a good time :)   See 
dxmaps.com for updated propagation info. You can set up an account to generate 
alerts via email.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

[Wayne Burdick]

KX3. 

I hadn't spent much time on 6 m this year, but today's opening was just too 
good to pass up. Worked K9CT (Craig in Illinois)...best DX yet at 8 W with the 
6-m dipole :)

Wayne
N6KR


> On Jun 5, 2017, at 3:02 PM, Bill Johnson <k9...@live.com> wrote:
> 
> Wayne which radio? K3S?
>  
> 73,
> Bill
> K9YEQ
>  
> From: Wayne Burdick [mailto:n...@elecraft.com] 
> Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 2:42 PM
> To: Tom <tom...@videotron.ca>
> Cc: Bill Johnson <k9...@live.com>; Elecraft Reflector 
> <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open
>  
> Hi Tom,
>  
> USB, typically at 50.125-50.135, or CW around 50.090-50.100. 
>  
> This time of year there are frequent openings due to various propagation 
> modes. I just park the radio at 50.125, squelched. Occasionally you'll hear 
> someone pop up. 
>  
> Wayne 
>  
>  
>  
> On Jun 5, 2017, at 12:19 PM, Tom <tom...@videotron.ca> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi,
> Nothing up here in Montreal...but I've never been on 6m.  Is this USB?  FM?
> Tom

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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

[Walter Underwood]

8 W on 6 m would suggest a KX3. The KX2 does not have that band. 8 W is the 
spec’ed power out for the KX3 on that band.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Jun 5, 2017, at 3:02 PM, Bill Johnson <k9...@live.com> wrote:
> 
> Wayne which radio? K3S?
> 
> 73,
> Bill
> K9YEQ
> 
> From: Wayne Burdick [mailto:n...@elecraft.com]
> Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 2:42 PM
> To: Tom <tom...@videotron.ca>
> Cc: Bill Johnson <k9...@live.com>; Elecraft Reflector 
> <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open
> 
> Hi Tom,
> 
> USB, typically at 50.125-50.135, or CW around 50.090-50.100.
> 
> This time of year there are frequent openings due to various propagation 
> modes. I just park the radio at 50.125, squelched. Occasionally you'll hear 
> someone pop up.
> 
> Wayne
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 5, 2017, at 12:19 PM, Tom 
> <tom...@videotron.ca<mailto:tom...@videotron.ca>> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi,
> Nothing up here in Montreal...but I've never been on 6m.  Is this USB?  FM?
> Tom
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

[Bill Johnson]

I had a serious conversation with wife yesterday.  She says she cannot trust me 
for spending.  I explained, if you don't want to have the conversation, won't 
consider what I love, fine end of conversation.  I will do what I want.  
Therefore, you can trust me to do what I love to do.  Just like before we got 
married: in bachelor pad, my kitchen table had a Gonset Sidewinder and other 
ham related stuff.  I had to push it off to the side to use the table.  Then we 
got married.  Then I continued interest in the hobby after we left the next 
apartment and 1st home and moved to the second.  I kept 2 meter mobile to that 
point, but I had a tech license and 2 meter FM was super active.  To answer her 
objections:  what didn't you understand that I have been licensed from 1960 and 
had the equipment on my kitchen table in the apartment and when you married me 
you would think I would give up the hobby?  I think she is very close to giving 
up her objections after 43 years.  :-)

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Clay Autery
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 4:02 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

Sweet!  See what I am missing because I only have one HF radio?  Can't get 
Momma to understand this  I "need" a KX3 and a KX2 to go with my K3s...  
One in the shack, one in the truck, and one for backpacking and/or backup when 
I send them in for updates y'all won't let me do.  :-D

??...  How do you make a 1000-watt QSO with 8-watts out on a dipole? 
I've been looking for that very loophole in the laws of physics ALL MY LIFE!  
;-) Building a tri-band 6m/2m/70cm vertical dipole  Trying to figure out 
how to build in ability to rotate from vert to horizontal so I can use the same 
antenna on SSB, etc..  Maybe I'll just grab a multi-element 6m quad and put it 
up, too.

73,

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(318) 518-1389

On 6/5/2017 1:54 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> Just made a couple of 1000-watt QSOs around 50.125 (SSB and CW). Not exactly 
> exotic DX, but not bad for 8 watts and a dipole at 25 feet.
>
> If you haven’t tried 6 meters before, now would be a good time :)   See 
> dxmaps.com for updated propagation info. You can set up an account to 
> generate alerts via email.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR

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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

[Bill Johnson]

Wayne which radio? K3S?

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

From: Wayne Burdick [mailto:n...@elecraft.com]
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 2:42 PM
To: Tom <tom...@videotron.ca>
Cc: Bill Johnson <k9...@live.com>; Elecraft Reflector <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

Hi Tom,

USB, typically at 50.125-50.135, or CW around 50.090-50.100.

This time of year there are frequent openings due to various propagation modes. 
I just park the radio at 50.125, squelched. Occasionally you'll hear someone 
pop up.

Wayne



On Jun 5, 2017, at 12:19 PM, Tom 
<tom...@videotron.ca<mailto:tom...@videotron.ca>> wrote:


Hi,
Nothing up here in Montreal...but I've never been on 6m.  Is this USB?  FM?
Tom


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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

[Jan Timmers]

Probably means 1000 km per watt.

On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 2:02 PM, Clay Autery  wrote:

> Sweet!  See what I am missing because I only have one HF radio?  Can't
> get Momma to understand this  I "need" a KX3 and a KX2 to go with my
> K3s...  One in the shack, one in the truck, and one for backpacking
> and/or backup when I send them in for updates y'all won't let me do.  :-D
>
> ??...  How do you make a 1000-watt QSO with 8-watts out on a dipole?
> I've been looking for that very loophole in the laws of physics ALL MY
> LIFE!  ;-)
> Building a tri-band 6m/2m/70cm vertical dipole  Trying to figure out
> how to build in ability to rotate from vert to horizontal so I can use
> the same antenna on SSB, etc..  Maybe I'll just grab a multi-element 6m
> quad and put it up, too.
>
> 73,
>
> __
> Clay Autery, KY5G
> MONTAC Enterprises
> (318) 518-1389
>
> On 6/5/2017 1:54 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> > Just made a couple of 1000-watt QSOs around 50.125 (SSB and CW). Not
> exactly exotic DX, but not bad for 8 watts and a dipole at 25 feet.
> >
> > If you haven’t tried 6 meters before, now would be a good time :)   See
> dxmaps.com for updated propagation info. You can set up an account to
> generate alerts via email.
> >
> > 73,
> > Wayne
> > N6KR
>
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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

[Clay Autery]

Sweet!  See what I am missing because I only have one HF radio?  Can't
get Momma to understand this  I "need" a KX3 and a KX2 to go with my
K3s...  One in the shack, one in the truck, and one for backpacking
and/or backup when I send them in for updates y'all won't let me do.  :-D

??...  How do you make a 1000-watt QSO with 8-watts out on a dipole? 
I've been looking for that very loophole in the laws of physics ALL MY
LIFE!  ;-)
Building a tri-band 6m/2m/70cm vertical dipole  Trying to figure out
how to build in ability to rotate from vert to horizontal so I can use
the same antenna on SSB, etc..  Maybe I'll just grab a multi-element 6m
quad and put it up, too.

73,

__
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MONTAC Enterprises
(318) 518-1389

On 6/5/2017 1:54 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> Just made a couple of 1000-watt QSOs around 50.125 (SSB and CW). Not exactly 
> exotic DX, but not bad for 8 watts and a dipole at 25 feet.
>
> If you haven’t tried 6 meters before, now would be a good time :)   See 
> dxmaps.com for updated propagation info. You can set up an account to 
> generate alerts via email.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR

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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

[Tom]

JT65 Montreal to St Louis Missouri
Thanks for the tips Wayne.

From: Robie Elms 
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 3:51 PM
To: Wayne Burdick 
Cc: Tom ; Elecraft Reflector 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

Additional info: 

50.276 JT65  - lots of signals here (grid EL29) this afternoon!

Robie - AJ4F

K3 SN5508

On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 7:41 PM, Wayne Burdick <n...@elecraft.com> wrote:

  Hi Tom,

  USB, typically at 50.125-50.135, or CW around 50.090-50.100.

  This time of year there are frequent openings due to various propagation 
modes. I just park the radio at 50.125, squelched. Occasionally you'll hear 
someone pop up.

  Wayne



  > On Jun 5, 2017, at 12:19 PM, Tom <tom...@videotron.ca> wrote:
  >
  > Hi,
  > Nothing up here in Montreal...but I've never been on 6m.  Is this USB?  FM?
  > Tom



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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

[Robie Elms]

Additional info:

50.276 JT65  - lots of signals here (grid EL29) this afternoon!

Robie - AJ4F

K3 SN5508

On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 7:41 PM, Wayne Burdick  wrote:

> Hi Tom,
>
> USB, typically at 50.125-50.135, or CW around 50.090-50.100.
>
> This time of year there are frequent openings due to various propagation
> modes. I just park the radio at 50.125, squelched. Occasionally you'll hear
> someone pop up.
>
> Wayne
>
>
>
> > On Jun 5, 2017, at 12:19 PM, Tom  wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > Nothing up here in Montreal...but I've never been on 6m.  Is this USB?
> FM?
> > Tom
>
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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

[Wayne Burdick]

Hi Tom,

USB, typically at 50.125-50.135, or CW around 50.090-50.100. 

This time of year there are frequent openings due to various propagation modes. 
I just park the radio at 50.125, squelched. Occasionally you'll hear someone 
pop up. 

Wayne 



> On Jun 5, 2017, at 12:19 PM, Tom  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Nothing up here in Montreal...but I've never been on 6m.  Is this USB?  FM?
> Tom


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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

[John Stengrevics]

Have a look at DX Maps.

> On Jun 5, 2017, at 3:33 PM, kevino z  wrote:
> 
> Which was it ? 1000 watts ? Or 8 w?
> 
> -
> The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, 
> while the stupid ones are full of confidence.
> 
> On Jun 5, 2017, at 15:17, GWK > 
> wrote:
> 
> Band dead in Maine.
> 
> 73 - George, W3HBM
> 
> 
> On 6/5/2017 2:58 PM, Bill Johnson wrote:
> Wayne, thanks for heads up.  Nothing open here in Fish Creek, WI.  Am 
> monitoring 50.125.
> 
> 72 & 73,
> Bill
> K9YEQ, FT’er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100,  KAT500, W2, etc.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 
> elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
> [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
> Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 1:54 PM
> To: Elecraft Reflector 
> >
> Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open
> 
> Just made a couple of 1000-watt QSOs around 50.125 (SSB and CW). Not exactly 
> exotic DX, but not bad for 8 watts and a dipole at 25 feet.
> 
> If you haven’t tried 6 meters before, now would be a good time :)   See 
> dxmaps.com for updated propagation info. You can set up an 
> account to generate alerts via email.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

[kevino z]

Which was it ? 1000 watts ? Or 8 w?

-
The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, 
while the stupid ones are full of confidence.

On Jun 5, 2017, at 15:17, GWK > 
wrote:

Band dead in Maine.

73 - George, W3HBM


On 6/5/2017 2:58 PM, Bill Johnson wrote:
Wayne, thanks for heads up.  Nothing open here in Fish Creek, WI.  Am 
monitoring 50.125.

72 & 73,
Bill
K9YEQ, FT’er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100,  KAT500, W2, etc.

-Original Message-
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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 1:54 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector 
>
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

Just made a couple of 1000-watt QSOs around 50.125 (SSB and CW). Not exactly 
exotic DX, but not bad for 8 watts and a dipole at 25 feet.

If you haven’t tried 6 meters before, now would be a good time :)   See 
dxmaps.com for updated propagation info. You can set up an 
account to generate alerts via email.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

[Bill Johnson]

Using P3 at 100 span to monitor.  NADA.  Will have to head out for a bit but 
will check in later.

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

Seems to be a lot of JT65 though

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To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

6m at 50.125 is dead here -DM14-, but that could easily change any minute.  
Monitoring now.

73,

matt W6NIa


On 6/5/2017 11:54 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> Just made a couple of 1000-watt QSOs around 50.125 (SSB and CW). Not 
> exactly exotic DX, but not bad for 8 watts and a dipole at 25 feet.
>
> If you haven’t tried 6 meters before, now would be a good time :)   See 
> dxmaps.com for updated propagation info. You can set up an account to 
> generate alerts via email.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

[Tom]

Seems to be a lot of JT65 though

-Original Message- 
From: Matt Zilmer

Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 3:19 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

6m at 50.125 is dead here -DM14-, but that could easily change any
minute.  Monitoring now.

73,

matt W6NIa


On 6/5/2017 11:54 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
Just made a couple of 1000-watt QSOs around 50.125 (SSB and CW). Not 
exactly exotic DX, but not bad for 8 watts and a dipole at 25 feet.


If you haven’t tried 6 meters before, now would be a good time :)   See 
dxmaps.com for updated propagation info. You can set up an account to 
generate alerts via email.


73,
Wayne
N6KR


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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

[Bill Johnson]

SSB!

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

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To: Bill Johnson <k9...@live.com>; Wayne Burdick <n...@elecraft.com>; Elecraft 
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

Hi,
Nothing up here in Montreal...but I've never been on 6m.  Is this USB?  FM?
Tom

-Original Message-
From: Bill Johnson
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 2:58 PM
To: Wayne Burdick ; Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

Wayne, thanks for heads up.  Nothing open here in Fish Creek, WI.  Am 
monitoring 50.125.

72 & 73,
Bill
K9YEQ, FT’er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100,  KAT500, W2, etc.

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Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 1:54 PM
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Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

Just made a couple of 1000-watt QSOs around 50.125 (SSB and CW). Not exactly 
exotic DX, but not bad for 8 watts and a dipole at 25 feet.

If you haven’t tried 6 meters before, now would be a good time :)   See 
dxmaps.com for updated propagation info. You can set up an account to generate 
alerts via email.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

[Matt Zilmer]

6m at 50.125 is dead here -DM14-, but that could easily change any 
minute.  Monitoring now.


73,

matt W6NIa


On 6/5/2017 11:54 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

Just made a couple of 1000-watt QSOs around 50.125 (SSB and CW). Not exactly 
exotic DX, but not bad for 8 watts and a dipole at 25 feet.

If you haven’t tried 6 meters before, now would be a good time :)   See 
dxmaps.com for updated propagation info. You can set up an account to generate 
alerts via email.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

[Tom]

Hi,
Nothing up here in Montreal...but I've never been on 6m.  Is this USB?  FM?
Tom

-Original Message- 
From: Bill Johnson

Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 2:58 PM
To: Wayne Burdick ; Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

Wayne, thanks for heads up.  Nothing open here in Fish Creek, WI.  Am 
monitoring 50.125.


72 & 73,
Bill
K9YEQ, FT’er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100,  KAT500, W2, etc.

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Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 1:54 PM
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Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

Just made a couple of 1000-watt QSOs around 50.125 (SSB and CW). Not exactly 
exotic DX, but not bad for 8 watts and a dipole at 25 feet.


If you haven’t tried 6 meters before, now would be a good time :)   See 
dxmaps.com for updated propagation info. You can set up an account to 
generate alerts via email.


73,
Wayne
N6KR


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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

[GWK]

Band dead in Maine.

73 - George, W3HBM


On 6/5/2017 2:58 PM, Bill Johnson wrote:

Wayne, thanks for heads up.  Nothing open here in Fish Creek, WI.  Am 
monitoring 50.125.

72 & 73,
Bill
K9YEQ, FT’er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100,  KAT500, W2, etc.

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 1:54 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector 
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

Just made a couple of 1000-watt QSOs around 50.125 (SSB and CW). Not exactly 
exotic DX, but not bad for 8 watts and a dipole at 25 feet.

If you haven’t tried 6 meters before, now would be a good time :)   See 
dxmaps.com for updated propagation info. You can set up an account to generate 
alerts via email.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

[Bill Johnson]

Wayne, thanks for heads up.  Nothing open here in Fish Creek, WI.  Am 
monitoring 50.125.

72 & 73,
Bill
K9YEQ, FT’er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100,  KAT500, W2, etc. 

-Original Message-
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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 1:54 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector 
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

Just made a couple of 1000-watt QSOs around 50.125 (SSB and CW). Not exactly 
exotic DX, but not bad for 8 watts and a dipole at 25 feet.

If you haven’t tried 6 meters before, now would be a good time :)   See 
dxmaps.com for updated propagation info. You can set up an account to generate 
alerts via email.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters openings

[kd7gc]

I have been working up into VE1, VE2, and VE3, plus quite a few states in
the mid west.

 

 

Alan R. Downing

Phoenix, AZ

 

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Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 1:30 PM
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   I worked 12 single and 6 double hops yesterday, and band is opening now. 
  
Leroy AB7CE 

  
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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters

[Tom Azlin N4ZPT]

Have you emailed or called Elecraft directly to see if they already have 
a set up version that fits Thailand?  Seems like a question for the 
factory not the list.

Their factory configuration set up program might be able to turn off 6m.

73, tom n4zpt

On 5/8/2012 2:10 PM, ussv dharma wrote:
 I am moving to HS0...they do not allow K3 import because it has 6 meters (not 
 allowed in thailand).  Is there a way to eliminate 6 meters from my K3 so I 
 can try to get it type accepted?  They do allow the K2.


 If you don't change direction you WILL arrive exactly where you're headed!!

 Susan Meckley, Skipper W7KFI-mm  AFA9SM
   USSV DHARMA

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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters

[Matt Murphy]

Depending on how thorough the screening is, it might also suffice to
disable 6m in the config menu.

-Matt NQ6N

On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 8:01 AM, Tom Azlin N4ZPT t...@n4zpt.org wrote:

 Have you emailed or called Elecraft directly to see if they already have
 a set up version that fits Thailand?  Seems like a question for the
 factory not the list.

 Their factory configuration set up program might be able to turn off 6m.

 73, tom n4zpt

 On 5/8/2012 2:10 PM, ussv dharma wrote:
  I am moving to HS0...they do not allow K3 import because it has 6 meters
 (not allowed in thailand).  Is there a way to eliminate 6 meters from my K3
 so I can try to get it type accepted?  They do allow the K2.
 
 
  If you don't change direction you WILL arrive exactly where you're
 headed!!
 
  Susan Meckley, Skipper W7KFI-mm  AFA9SM
USSV DHARMA

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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters

[Dave Johnson]

The licensing looks pretty strict and stuck in the past. The list of
approved transceivers is very dated...

Perhaps Elecraft can provide a firmware fix to limit the K3 to the
band segments shown in:

http://www.nbtc.go.th/phocadownload/prnbtc/english/8Notification-0001-151254.pdf

It also looks like you cannot have general coverage receive either!

73 Dave, G4AON
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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters

[Ken Alexander]

It's not stuck in the past if operating on 6m would cause interference 
to other licensed services.  Thailand certainly isn't the only country 
that doesn't permit 6m operation.

A list of approved transceivers would appear dated if the majority of 
newer transceivers include 6m coverage.

Their country...their rules.

73,

Ken Alexander
VE3HLS

On 08/05/2012 2:55 PM, Dave Johnson wrote:
 The licensing looks pretty strict and stuck in the past. The list of
 approved transceivers is very dated...

 Perhaps Elecraft can provide a firmware fix to limit the K3 to the
 band segments shown in:

 http://www.nbtc.go.th/phocadownload/prnbtc/english/8Notification-0001-151254.pdf

 It also looks like you cannot have general coverage receive either!

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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters Newbie

[Ken McGuire]

Partially because of this thread, I got on 6M a bit Saturday when there was
an obvious 10M opening.

While most of my qso's since 2002 have been CW, I had yet to make a 6M CW
qso.  Instead I had just used SSB and FM.  But in the opening Saturday, I
found out a few things.

1)  I was frustrated at how slow the chats were on SSB (FM was even worse) -
it seemed like they were wasting a perfectly good band opening ragchewing. 
I don't mind ragchewing and will do a bit of it myself, but usually on 30,
40, or 80.

2)  When I turned down to the CW portion of the band, it almost sounded like
a CW contest weekend.  Very efficent operating and the band was FULL of
signals.  The receiver I had been using for 6M was not really up to this.  I
eventually dug out the TT 1208 and attached it to my K2.  MUCH better for
me, even if less power going out.

Ken McGuire
KC8LTL en72
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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters Newbie

[Rich - K1HTV]

Lee,
   Don't worry about your beam being up 25 feet. At 6 Meters, that is almost a
wavelength high. If you have a relatively quiet QTH, the PR6 preamp for you K3
will help pull out the weak ones on 6 Meters. Check out the Elecraft Archives
for other info on this topic. 

The key to working DX on 6 Meters is to BE ON THE AIR when the band is open to
your QTH. If you are around when it does open, you will work plenty of DX with
your K3 and low yagi. The majority of the 6M DX that I have worked as been with
a single yagi at 30 feet or less. It worked great during the peak of the sunspot
cycle when the higher F2 layers were ionized as the MUF climbed above 50 MHz.
From my old MD QTH, DX was worked from great distances (FR, ZS, ZL, VK, JA, 
KH2,
V7, etc.) with the beam on the roof at 30 feet. Now that we have E-Skip as the
primary means of propagating signals, it is still possible to work plenty of DX
with a low yagi and 100 Watts. 

My friend N4QQ, living in a VERY noisey suburban lot, last summer, worked over
40 countries with his K3 and a 3 element homebrew yagi at 20 feet. Yes, being in
the east helps, but there is plenty of DX to be worked from the west, but you
must be there when the band opens. You will find that some openings can be very
short, lasting only a minute or so to your QTH before the propagation favors
another QTH. 

From my new VA QTH, using my barefoot K3 and the 20' high yagi, I've already
worked almost 40 countries including 2 new ones (HA  E7) bringing the K1HTV
DXCC total to 150 DX countries on 50 MHz.

As far as a good web site which will let you know what what is happening to help
you work 6M (and 2M) DX, check out this great site, which is maintained by
EA6VQ:

 http://www.vhfdx.net/ 

Click on the DX-Sherlock 1.97 bullet
http://www.vhfdx.info/spots/map.php?Lan=E

Clicking on the various tabs will give you a graphical depiction of who is
working whom in the world or on NA, SA, EU, etc. continents. Click on one of the
maps will produce a new window which will list the details of each QSO,
including calls, distances, propagation mode, etc.. I think that you will find
this site to be most helpful in catching band openings to your area.

Have fun with your K3 and low yagi on the 'Magic Band'.

73,
Rich - K1HTV
http://www.k1htv.us

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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 09:28:57 -0700 (PDT)
From:  Lee Buller k...@swbell.net
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters Newbie
To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net

Just got up my three element 6 meter beam at about 25 feet. ?I know it is not
high. ?Could someone tell me a good web site to access to learn more about 6
meters? ?Watch for openings? ?Etc. ?Also, is the pre-amp a good investment if I
am going to do more 6 meters
Lee - K0WA

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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters Newbie

[W8JH]

I have not had ANY luck on 6 meters with K3 # 1713.  I had been listening
with my 80m horizontal loop, which my Palstar BT-1500 tunes to a flat SWR on
6m.  Nothing heard over a full year.  Since I still couldn't hear anything I
built a 6m dipole a couple days ago and still no luck.

I can hear continuous carriers sometimes but nothing else.  I routinely
check DX spots sent by hams near me (Ohio by Lake Erie) and have no luck.

I do use the internal preamp.  Carriers on the 80m loop are louder than on
the 6m dipole.  I had the subreceiver installed last year by Elecraft (about
6 weeks turnaround) and did not notice any difference.  Unfortunately I
thought 6m was a dead band or my antenna was the problem at the time so I
didn't think to ask Elecraft to check it out while they had the rig.

Anything I could have screwed up on the rig to make 6m a dead band?  No
problems noted on any other band.

Joe- another 6m newbie
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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters Newbie

[Augie Gus Hansen]

On 7/2/2010 7:01 AM, W8JH wrote:
 I have not had ANY luck on 6 meters with K3 # 1713.  I had been listening
 with my 80m horizontal loop, which my Palstar BT-1500 tunes to a flat SWR on
 6m.

I also have a BT1500A, but do not use it on 6m because it is specified 
for 1.8-29.5 MHz. You're are trying to use it at nearly twice it's 
effective highest frequency. Getting a low loss match will be difficult 
if not impossible.

 Nothing heard over a full year.  Since I still couldn't hear anything I
 built a 6m dipole a couple days ago and still no luck.


You might try turning the dipole into a vertical position and working 
some local 6m ops on 50.125MHz, which is the de facto calling frequency. 
If you're putting out any signal at all a few pleas for assistance with 
a radio check in your area will likely result in some helpful replies.

 Anything I could have screwed up on the rig to make 6m a dead band?  No
 problems noted on any other band.


Have you verified that you have the correct antenna selected? Or is 
there a low-pass filter in line that is putting an 80 dB stopband above 
42 MHz or some other cutoff frequency below the 6m band?

By the way, 6m has been open quite often during this peak season, which 
typically runs May through July. In fact, right now (1527Z) the band is 
well open between Europe and eastern USA.

Regards,
Gus Hansen
KB0YH

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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters Newbie

[WILLIS COOKE]

Joe, you need a better antenna.  Try a 3 to 5 element Yagi on a 30 or 40 ft 
pole or maybe a Quad.  You need to be above the trees, buildings and other 
absorbing structures in the area.  The signals are mostly weak on 6 meters, but 
occasionally they will be stronger.  The clusters and maps are good to give you 
an indication, but Sporadic E is very sporadic and you may not hear what is 
strong in the next county, or maybe even the next block.  It requires a lot of 
listening to catch openings.  When there is an opening to somewhere, you will 
start by hearing a rise in the background noise.  Then someone has to transmit 
and you have to be tuned to their frequency when they do.  Six is called the 
'Magic Band' because after hours of listening a signal will pop up like magic 
and a few minutes later it will disappear like magic.  That is why it is 
typical for a station to give you his call and grid number and not take the 
time to give you his name or
 state.  It is not called the 'Easy Band'.  
 Willis 'Cookie' Cooke 
K5EWJ 





From: W8JH hoffmaninvestme...@adelphia.net
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Fri, July 2, 2010 8:01:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters Newbie


I have not had ANY luck on 6 meters with K3 # 1713.  I had been listening
with my 80m horizontal loop, which my Palstar BT-1500 tunes to a flat SWR on
6m.  Nothing heard over a full year.  Since I still couldn't hear anything I
built a 6m dipole a couple days ago and still no luck.

I can hear continuous carriers sometimes but nothing else.  I routinely
check DX spots sent by hams near me (Ohio by Lake Erie) and have no luck.

I do use the internal preamp.  Carriers on the 80m loop are louder than on
the 6m dipole.  I had the subreceiver installed last year by Elecraft (about
6 weeks turnaround) and did not notice any difference.  Unfortunately I
thought 6m was a dead band or my antenna was the problem at the time so I
didn't think to ask Elecraft to check it out while they had the rig.

Anything I could have screwed up on the rig to make 6m a dead band?  No
problems noted on any other band.

Joe- another 6m newbie
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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters Newbie

[Lew Phelps K6LMP]

Joe, given where you live, in northern Ohio, you could go for days without 
hearing anything on 6 meters.  I live in the Los Angeles area, and I sometimes 
just tune the K3 to 50.125 (the SSB calling frequency) and listen for activity 
while I'm working from home.  There are three or four guys (in a metropolitan 
area of 8 million) who pop up on the band every day calling QRZ to look for 
sporadic-E contacts, and on some days, that's about it.  When Sporadic-E opens 
up, it can get real lively.

You can check your rig's performance if you have any 6 meter repeaters in your 
area, but you'll need a vertical antenna (I use a 6 meter J-pole), since all 
the FM activity on 6 meters is vertically polarized, whereas most SSB activity 
is horizontally polarized. (However, some LA area ops work SSB with vertical 
polarization).  The 6 meter FM calling frequency for simplex is 53.600 mHz.

there is a 6 meter repeater in Detroit (53.94 output, 131.8 PL), and one in 
Toledo at 53.65, 103.5 PL). 6 meter repeaters are -.5 mhz offset for input. I 
don't see any listed in the repeater guides for Cleveland.  You might try to 
hit those machines to test your rig, if you have the wide filter necessary for 
FM transmission with the K3 and can put together a vertical 6 meter antenna. If 
the custom in northern Ohio and Michigan is to use vertical polarization for 
SSB (as some ops do here in LA), then you REALLY need a vertical antenna, since 
polarization really makes a difference on 6 meters. Cross polarization can 
result in a loss of as much as 20 dB in signal strength, which could pretty 
much explain why you're not hearing anyone with a horizontal antenna (if the 
local ops are working SSB with vertical polarization).  If you can hit one of 
the local 6 meter repeaters, ask any operator you reach what the local practice 
is for SSB.

If you want to get serious about 6 meters weak signal (SSB), invest in the 
Elecraft PR-6 pre-amp designed for that band. It's worth the cost for its 
performance.

Lew K6LMP




On Jul 2, 2010, at 6:01 AM, W8JH wrote:

 
 I have not had ANY luck on 6 meters with K3 # 1713.  I had been listening
 with my 80m horizontal loop, which my Palstar BT-1500 tunes to a flat SWR on
 6m.  Nothing heard over a full year.  Since I still couldn't hear anything I
 built a 6m dipole a couple days ago and still no luck.
 
 I can hear continuous carriers sometimes but nothing else.  I routinely
 check DX spots sent by hams near me (Ohio by Lake Erie) and have no luck.
 
 I do use the internal preamp.  Carriers on the 80m loop are louder than on
 the 6m dipole.  I had the subreceiver installed last year by Elecraft (about
 6 weeks turnaround) and did not notice any difference.  Unfortunately I
 thought 6m was a dead band or my antenna was the problem at the time so I
 didn't think to ask Elecraft to check it out while they had the rig.
 
 Anything I could have screwed up on the rig to make 6m a dead band?  No
 problems noted on any other band.
 

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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters Newbie

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

 Anything I could have screwed up on the rig to make 6m a dead band?
 No problems noted on any other band.

Do you have the RX Ant selected (or ANT 2 if you have the KANT3 
installed)?   Antenna/Receive antenna status is stored per band
so you might have the wrong antenna selected on just one band.

My K3 is certainly sensitive enough - without the PR-6 - that I
can hear/work some of the stronger DX (55 countries in the band)
on a HF windom (since that's my only antenna that will take power
on six).  The noise about needing a beam on six meters does a
big disservice to anyone who wants to try the band.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 7/2/2010 9:01 AM, W8JH wrote:

 I have not had ANY luck on 6 meters with K3 # 1713.  I had been listening
 with my 80m horizontal loop, which my Palstar BT-1500 tunes to a flat SWR on
 6m.  Nothing heard over a full year.  Since I still couldn't hear anything I
 built a 6m dipole a couple days ago and still no luck.

 I can hear continuous carriers sometimes but nothing else.  I routinely
 check DX spots sent by hams near me (Ohio by Lake Erie) and have no luck.

 I do use the internal preamp.  Carriers on the 80m loop are louder than on
 the 6m dipole.  I had the subreceiver installed last year by Elecraft (about
 6 weeks turnaround) and did not notice any difference.  Unfortunately I
 thought 6m was a dead band or my antenna was the problem at the time so I
 didn't think to ask Elecraft to check it out while they had the rig.

 Anything I could have screwed up on the rig to make 6m a dead band?  No
 problems noted on any other band.

 Joe- another 6m newbie
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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters Newbie

[Ken McGuire]

I am a very casual 6M operator, but, living in Michigan with a sister in
Columbus, OH, I can give a bit of ground truth.

I have a FT8900 (and sometimes FT100) in my car and have yet to get into the
Toledo 6M repeater even when driving right through Toledo.  The Lima, Ohio
repeater is good, but would probably be out of range for you.  Unfortunately
6M has many conficting band plans.  In Ohio, repeaters are -1.0 MHz.  In
Michigan they are -0.500 MHz.  There are also states where they are 1.7 MHz.

With a Yagi at 25 ft, you should be able to make contacts when the band is
open and there is someone at the other end of the open band.  Most of my 6M
contacts have been using just a mobile whip.  This is enough for some
contacts when the band is open.  Last summer I repaired the antenna for
someone who does much more 6M than I.  She just used a coax fed 160M dipole
about 40 feet up.  That is admittedly higher than you, but when you figure
in the coax loss, I would think you have better.

Big towers and mast mounted preamps do help in marginal openings, yes.  But
some of the magic of 6M is that sometimes you get really GOOD openings where
you don't need any fancy equipment.  The thing is that there will often be
days when you hear nothing.

The most important thing is to listen for the openings.  Of course, if
everyone is listening and no one calls CQ, nothing happens, so give that a
try sometimes too.  Other than that, if you want to do something else, the
first thing I would check is your coax...  But now 6 should open to Florida
or Texas for you fairly often.

Ken McGuire
KC8LTL
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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters Newbie

[W8JH]

I checked the Rx ant. again today, that's not the problem.

 

I have the 80m loop tuned for 6m on ANT 1 and the 6m dipole on ANT 2 with no
luck despite trying to listen when I see lots of spots on for 6m.

 

I know what you are talking about regarding beams etc.  I worked Italy from
my car on a FT100 and an ATAS antenna.

 

Thanks for the thought Joe, I was glad to meet you at Dayton this year and
tell you how much your stuff on the reflector (along with Don, W8JI etc.)
has been a help to me.  No doubt I will get this sorted out eventually.

 

73,

 

Joe  W8JH

 

From: Joe Subich, W4TV-4 [via Elecraft]
[mailto:ml-node+5248243-1883897432-162...@n2.nabble.com] 
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 12:00 PM
To: W8JH
Subject: Re: 6 meters Newbie

 


 Anything I could have screwed up on the rig to make 6m a dead band? 
 No problems noted on any other band. 

Do you have the RX Ant selected (or ANT 2 if you have the KANT3 
installed)?   Antenna/Receive antenna status is stored per band 
so you might have the wrong antenna selected on just one band. 

My K3 is certainly sensitive enough - without the PR-6 - that I 
can hear/work some of the stronger DX (55 countries in the band) 
on a HF windom (since that's my only antenna that will take power 
on six).  The noise about needing a beam on six meters does a 
big disservice to anyone who wants to try the band. 

73, 

... Joe, W4TV 

On 7/2/2010 9:01 AM, W8JH wrote: 


 
 I have not had ANY luck on 6 meters with K3 # 1713.  I had been listening 
 with my 80m horizontal loop, which my Palstar BT-1500 tunes to a flat SWR
on 
 6m.  Nothing heard over a full year.  Since I still couldn't hear anything
I 
 built a 6m dipole a couple days ago and still no luck. 
 
 I can hear continuous carriers sometimes but nothing else.  I routinely 
 check DX spots sent by hams near me (Ohio by Lake Erie) and have no luck. 
 
 I do use the internal preamp.  Carriers on the 80m loop are louder than on

 the 6m dipole.  I had the subreceiver installed last year by Elecraft
(about 
 6 weeks turnaround) and did not notice any difference.  Unfortunately I 
 thought 6m was a dead band or my antenna was the problem at the time so I 
 didn't think to ask Elecraft to check it out while they had the rig. 
 
 Anything I could have screwed up on the rig to make 6m a dead band?  No 
 problems noted on any other band. 
 
 Joe- another 6m newbie 

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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters Newbie

[W8JH]

Thanks Lew, I appreciate the info.

 

I don't have the FM filter but I can set up my FT100 on the mobile for 6m
and see if that hits one of the repeaters.  From there I might be able to
set up a sked on 6m SSB for the K3.  Thanks for the idea!

 

73,

 

Joe  W8JH

 

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To: W8JH
Subject: Re: 6 meters Newbie

 

Joe, given where you live, in northern Ohio, you could go for days without
hearing anything on 6 meters.  I live in the Los Angeles area, and I
sometimes just tune the K3 to 50.125 (the SSB calling frequency) and listen
for activity while I'm working from home.  There are three or four guys (in
a metropolitan area of 8 million) who pop up on the band every day calling
QRZ to look for sporadic-E contacts, and on some days, that's about it.
When Sporadic-E opens up, it can get real lively. 

You can check your rig's performance if you have any 6 meter repeaters in
your area, but you'll need a vertical antenna (I use a 6 meter J-pole),
since all the FM activity on 6 meters is vertically polarized, whereas most
SSB activity is horizontally polarized. (However, some LA area ops work SSB
with vertical polarization).  The 6 meter FM calling frequency for simplex
is 53.600 mHz. 

there is a 6 meter repeater in Detroit (53.94 output, 131.8 PL), and one in
Toledo at 53.65, 103.5 PL). 6 meter repeaters are -.5 mhz offset for input.
I don't see any listed in the repeater guides for Cleveland.  You might try
to hit those machines to test your rig, if you have the wide filter
necessary for FM transmission with the K3 and can put together a vertical 6
meter antenna. If the custom in northern Ohio and Michigan is to use
vertical polarization for SSB (as some ops do here in LA), then you REALLY
need a vertical antenna, since polarization really makes a difference on 6
meters. Cross polarization can result in a loss of as much as 20 dB in
signal strength, which could pretty much explain why you're not hearing
anyone with a horizontal antenna (if the local ops are working SSB with
vertical polarization).  If you can hit one of the local 6 meter repeaters,
ask any operator you reach what the local practice is for SSB. 

If you want to get serious about 6 meters weak signal (SSB), invest in the
Elecraft PR-6 pre-amp designed for that band. It's worth the cost for its
performance. 

Lew K6LMP 




On Jul 2, 2010, at 6:01 AM, W8JH wrote: 


 
 I have not had ANY luck on 6 meters with K3 # 1713.  I had been listening 
 with my 80m horizontal loop, which my Palstar BT-1500 tunes to a flat SWR
on 
 6m.  Nothing heard over a full year.  Since I still couldn't hear anything
I 
 built a 6m dipole a couple days ago and still no luck. 
 
 I can hear continuous carriers sometimes but nothing else.  I routinely 
 check DX spots sent by hams near me (Ohio by Lake Erie) and have no luck. 
 
 I do use the internal preamp.  Carriers on the 80m loop are louder than on

 the 6m dipole.  I had the subreceiver installed last year by Elecraft
(about 
 6 weeks turnaround) and did not notice any difference.  Unfortunately I 
 thought 6m was a dead band or my antenna was the problem at the time so I 
 didn't think to ask Elecraft to check it out while they had the rig. 
 
 Anything I could have screwed up on the rig to make 6m a dead band?  No 
 problems noted on any other band. 
 


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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters Newbie

[W8JH]

Many thanks to all who responded.  I just heard my first signal on 6m CW!  I
copied a CQ from KE4PT who according to QRZ.com is in Florida.  It was
marginal copy at best so I didn't try to call him but it was exciting for me
anyway.  I have no idea why I have never found a station before today
despite listening and checking DX spots for quite some time.  I guess I have
been on at the wrong times.

FWIW, I could only hear KE4PT on the 80m loop fed with 600ohm ladder line
through the BT-1500.  The dipole (only at about 20 feet admittedly) was
noise.  Althougth the Palstar is not spec'd on 6m I have read multiple
reports of hams having good luck there.

Now I have to think about the PR-6 and a better antenna!  I'm sure one good
opening would give me the fever.

73,

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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters Newbie

[Alan Bloom]

On Fri, 2010-07-02 at 13:08 -0700, W8JH wrote:

 Now I have to think about the PR-6 and a better antenna!

You don't need anything fancy.  Once, for a Field-Day-type operation in
a VHF contest, I kludged together a temporary 3-el, 6 meter beam out of
scraps of steel electrical conduit.  It worked great!

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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters Newbie

[Bob Stevens]

I think you already have the fever Joe.

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Many thanks to all who responded.  I just heard my first signal on 6m CW!  I
copied a CQ from KE4PT who according to QRZ.com is in Florida.  It was
marginal copy at best so I didn't try to call him but it was exciting for me
anyway.  I have no idea why I have never found a station before today
despite listening and checking DX spots for quite some time.  I guess I have
been on at the wrong times.

FWIW, I could only hear KE4PT on the 80m loop fed with 600ohm ladder line
through the BT-1500.  The dipole (only at about 20 feet admittedly) was
noise.  Althougth the Palstar is not spec'd on 6m I have read multiple
reports of hams having good luck there.

Now I have to think about the PR-6 and a better antenna!  I'm sure one good
opening would give me the fever.

73,

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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters Newbie

[Jim McDonald]

Lee,

I connect to a CC Cluster, specifically VE7CC-1, which allows me to filter
spots by band.  I have my filter for 6M set to give me spots only from IL
and WI. His user program can be downloaded at http://ve7cc.net/. 

A very interesting web site is
http://vhfdx.net/spots/map.php?Lan=EFrec=50Map=NAmycall=myloc=freq=pro
p 

Jim N7US



-Original Message-



Just got up my three element 6 meter beam at about 25 feet.  I know it is
not high.  Could someone tell me a good web site to access to learn more
about 6 meters?  Watch for openings?  Etc.  Also, is the pre-amp a good
investment if I am going to do more 6 meters
Lee - K0WA


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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters Newbie

[Ken Roberson]

Lee,

Hello, The Elecraft 6M preamp is worth the money,
It works very well.
6M is a blast , you will like it.
June 20,2010 I worked KL7/KB7Q for my number 50 state.
(WAS) on 6M , and already have his QSL card .
Also worked 8 EU stations so far this year on 6M
Don't hear EU very often here in Oklahoma.
GL and 73 Ken K5DNL

PS we worked 160M CW 12/05/09

-


--- On Thu, 7/1/10, Lee Buller k...@swbell.net wrote:

 From: Lee Buller k...@swbell.net
 Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters Newbie
 To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Thursday, July 1, 2010, 11:28 AM
 
 Just got up my three element 6 meter beam at about 25 feet.
  I know it is not high.  Could someone tell me a good web
 site to access to learn more about 6 meters?  Watch for
 openings?  Etc.  Also, is the pre-amp a good investment if
 I am going to do more 6 meters
 Lee - K0WA
 
 Ham Radio Operators:  Kansas QSO Party is August 28-29,
 2010.  See www.ksqsoparty.org for details
 
 In our day and age it seems that Common Sense is in short
 supply.  If you don't have any Common Sense - get some
 Common Sense and use it.  If you can't find any Common
 Sense, ask for help from somebody who has some Common
 Sense.  Is Common Sense divine?
 
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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters Newbie

[Phil LaMarche]

 
I highly recommend down loading CommCat, the DX advantage by W6HN.  You not
only will set it up to monitor what you want, but it is configured with the
K3 to click on the station shown and it will take your K3 there along with
any special changes such as off set.  It's a winner.  Google Commsoft.

Phil

Philip LaMarche
 
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p...@lamarcheenterprises.com
www.LaMarcheEnterprises.com 
 
727-944-3226
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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters Newbie

[Donald Butler]

Lee, DX Sherlock is great for keeping tabs on 6M openings:

http://www.vhfdx.net/spots/map.php?Lan=EFrec=50ML=MMap=NA

great maps created from current posts ... worldwide info, etc.

Others may differ, but IMHO I think you're likely to need the PR6 if you 
become serious about 6M, and you may also want a P3..   I have two K3s, but 
always choose my 756ProIII when I get on 6M.  Right out of the box, with the 
same antenna, etc., it hears better than either of my K3s (which do not have 
PR6s). but I use the ProIII for other reasons, too (there's a KW amp 
behind it, and it has the built-in bandscope which is always helpful during 
6M openings).

Don, N5LZ



- Original Message - 
From: Lee Buller k...@swbell.net
To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 10:28 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters Newbie



Just got up my three element 6 meter beam at about 25 feet. I know it is not 
high. Could someone tell me a good web site to access to learn more about 6 
meters? Watch for openings? Etc. Also, is the pre-amp a good investment if I 
am going to do more 6 meters
Lee - K0WA

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don't have any Common Sense - get some Common Sense and use it.  If you 
can't find any Common Sense, ask for help from somebody who has some Common 
Sense.  Is Common Sense divine?

Common Sense is the image of the Creator expressing revealed truth in my 
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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters Newbie

[Larry Godek]

I use both the VE7CC cluster and the VHFDX.net as well but the VHFDX.net page 
has some drawbacks.  Yes it does show you where the band is open to but those 
lines may be out of date, excessive time displayed.  I've made postings to it 
and came back half an hour later and they were still shown.  So that's where 
the DX cluster by VE7CC comes in.  You can quickly jump to that page and see 
what is actually happening on 6 whether in the USA, Europe, Africa, ASIA or 
wherever.  And you can also look at what's happening on 10, 2, 432 and others.  
But, only if people are entering what they are hearing/working on the bands.  

By all means don't just trust the VHFDX.net display but do use the two 
together.  

You can spot what you hear and work on either of the two resource pages but 
if you spot a station on the VE7CC page it won't show up on the VHFDX.net page 
as a line from your qth (call sign displayed) to the station you either hear or 
worked.  But if you post the same info on the VHFDX.NET page, you will need to 
know your grid square, then it will show up on both VE7CC and VHFDX.net

Have fun.  It's a different world and lots of fun, especially when the band is 
up and running.

Larry
W0OGH
DM43ci


--- On Thu, 7/1/10, Donald Butler n...@comcast.net wrote:

From: Donald Butler n...@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters Newbie
To: Lee Buller k...@swbell.net, Elecraft Reflector 
elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Date: Thursday, July 1, 2010, 9:47 AM

Lee, DX Sherlock is great for keeping tabs on 6M openings:

http://www.vhfdx.net/spots/map.php?Lan=EFrec=50ML=MMap=NA

great maps created from current posts ... worldwide info, etc.

Others may differ, but IMHO I think you're likely to need the PR6 if you 
become serious about 6M, and you may also want a P3..   I have two K3s, but 
always choose my 756ProIII when I get on 6M.  Right out of the box, with the 
same antenna, etc., it hears better than either of my K3s (which do not have 
PR6s). but I use the ProIII for other reasons, too (there's a KW amp 
behind it, and it has the built-in bandscope which is always helpful during 
6M openings).

Don, N5LZ



- Original Message - 
From: Lee Buller k...@swbell.net
To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 10:28 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters Newbie



Just got up my three element 6 meter beam at about 25 feet. I know it is not 
high. Could someone tell me a good web site to access to learn more about 6 
meters? Watch for openings? Etc. Also, is the pre-amp a good investment if I 
am going to do more 6 meters
Lee - K0WA

Ham Radio Operators: Kansas QSO Party is August 28-29, 2010. See 
www.ksqsoparty.org for details

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don't have any Common Sense - get some Common Sense and use it.  If you 
can't find any Common Sense, ask for help from somebody who has some Common 
Sense.  Is Common Sense divine?

Common Sense is the image of the Creator expressing revealed truth in my 
mind. - J. Wolf

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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters Newbie

[Greg - AB7R]

You can also google the VE7CC dx cluster.  There is CC software there that is 
VERY 
configurable to your own personal requirements and one of the setup screens has 
a 
button that will have the software work with the K3.  I controled it using 
LPBridge 
and it worked fine.  Click on the freq and the K3 freq changes, but not the 
mode.

You can also send the spots to other loggers like N1MM.  There's also operation 
with Skimmer though I have not tried it yet.  Oh...it's free too!


-
73,
Greg - AB7R
Whidbey Island WA
NA-065


On Thu Jul  1  9:42 , Phil LaMarche  sent:

 
I highly recommend down loading CommCat, the DX advantage by W6HN.  You not
only will set it up to monitor what you want, but it is configured with the
K3 to click on the station shown and it will take your K3 there along with
any special changes such as off set.  It's a winner.  Google Commsoft.

Phil

Philip LaMarche
 
LaMarche Enterprises, Inc
p...@lamarcheenterprises.com
www.LaMarcheEnterprises.com 
 
727-944-3226
727-937-8834 Fax
727-510-5038 Cell 
 
www.w9dvm.com
 
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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters Newbie

[GD0TEP]

Some interesting sites shared here for the 50mhz enthusiast, but perhaps one
of the best sites hasn't had a mention.

www.on4kst.com

Real time chat with other like minded people, plus separate web pages for
region 1 or region 2 (although when the band is open, you'll see 'users'
logged onto both) It'll cost you nothing to check it out, I'm confident
you'd find it useful. It's great as FS/W6JKV is currently working into EU
and Jimmy is passing real time data on to users right now... 

73,
Andy
http://gd0tep.com


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From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Lee Buller
Sent: 01 July 2010 16:29
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters Newbie


Just got up my three element 6 meter beam at about 25 feet.  I know it is
not high.  Could someone tell me a good web site to access to learn more
about 6 meters?  Watch for openings?  Etc.  Also, is the pre-amp a good
investment if I am going to do more 6 meters Lee - K0WA

Ham Radio Operators:  Kansas QSO Party is August 28-29, 2010.  See
www.ksqsoparty.org for details

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don't have any Common Sense - get some Common Sense and use it.  If you
can't find any Common Sense, ask for help from somebody who has some Common
Sense.  Is Common Sense divine?

Common Sense is the image of the Creator expressing revealed truth in my
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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters Newbie

[ab2tc]

I love the VE7CC cluster and cluster client. Wouldn't exchange it for
anything, the filtering is wonderful. I use it with HRD via a localhost
telnet connection so I have point and click to qsy with HRD's cluster
window. But there is a significant delay between spots showing in the VE7CC
client and them popping up in HRD, sometimes several minutes. I'd love to
point and click to qsy directly in the cluster client, but haven't figured
out how. I do have LP-Bridge between the K3 and HRD. Where do I look for the
K3 setup in the CC software?

AB2TC - Knut


Greg - AB7R wrote:
 
 You can also google the VE7CC dx cluster.  There is CC software there that
 is VERY 
 configurable to your own personal requirements and one of the setup
 screens has a 
 button that will have the software work with the K3.  I controled it using
 LPBridge 
 and it worked fine.  Click on the freq and the K3 freq changes, but not
 the mode.
 
 You can also send the spots to other loggers like N1MM.  There's also
 operation 
 with Skimmer though I have not tried it yet.  Oh...it's free too!
 
 
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 73,
 Greg - AB7R
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 NA-065
 
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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters Newbie

[N1JM]

Go to configuration-port/logging program and down in the lower right you will
see enable K3 with a comport to select. After that just click on the
frequency in the DX window. It changes only frequency not mode.



ab2tc wrote:
 
 I love the VE7CC cluster and cluster client. Wouldn't exchange it for
 anything, the filtering is wonderful. I use it with HRD via a localhost
 telnet connection so I have point and click to qsy with HRD's cluster
 window. But there is a significant delay between spots showing in the
 VE7CC client and them popping up in HRD, sometimes several minutes. I'd
 love to point and click to qsy directly in the cluster client, but haven't
 figured out how. I do have LP-Bridge between the K3 and HRD. Where do I
 look for the K3 setup in the CC software?
 
 AB2TC - Knut
 
 
 Greg - AB7R wrote:
 
 You can also google the VE7CC dx cluster.  There is CC software there
 that is VERY 
 configurable to your own personal requirements and one of the setup
 screens has a 
 button that will have the software work with the K3.  I controled it
 using LPBridge 
 and it worked fine.  Click on the freq and the K3 freq changes, but not
 the mode.
 
 You can also send the spots to other loggers like N1MM.  There's also
 operation 
 with Skimmer though I have not tried it yet.  Oh...it's free too!
 
 
 -
 73,
 Greg - AB7R
 Whidbey Island WA
 NA-065
 
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Re: [Elecraft] 6 Meters

[Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy]

David,

Your symptoms clearly indicate that you are suffering from 6m Bugitis, and I 
regret to have to tell you that there is no known cure!

As you point out there is a lot going on on 6m, even during the lean times, 
more than one would believe from reading the text books. Also don't be 
fooled by Sporadic E, sure it peaks during the summer months and December, 
but it (or something very similar) can appear for brief periods at any time 
in the year.

Happy hunting!

73,

Geoff.
GM4ESD (ex VE2AIO etc)



David Yarnes wrote on Sunday, June 20, 2010 at 5:18 AM:



 Point is, I'm getting a little too intrigued with this for my own good! 
 Is
 there a 12 step program out there for this?  Fortunately (?) I'm deed
 restricted, so there won't be any towers and stacked arrays going up!  Hi.
 There's even some pretty active CW operation at times--I like that!

 Bottom line--if you haven't put your toe in the water on 6 yet, do it! 
 You
 probably have an antenna that will work fine, and don't realize it.  If 
 you
 have a K3, and like what you hear initially, get a PR6 pre-amp.  Problem 
 is
 that the sporadic E only lasts for a while, then goes away for several
 months.  But there's a lot more going on with 6 meters, even during the 
 down
 times, than I realized.  If you have a radio that will do 6 meters, the 
 rest
 is pretty easy.

 Dave W7AQK


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Re: [Elecraft] 6 Meters

[Sam Morgan]

On 6/19/2010 11:18 PM, David Yarnes wrote:

 Bottom line--if you haven't put your toe in the water on 6 yet, do it!  You
 probably have an antenna that will work fine, and don't realize it.
 
I can testify this is true. Last night about 10:15pm cdt, I decided to see what 
I could hear.

With my Elecraft K3 running 100w into my 7' tall Hi-Q 6/160 vertical @ 20' on 
the apartment building roof. http://tinyurl.com/26zd4ub

I tuned the Hi-Q to ~ 11.65mhz so it would be a 5/8 on ~ 50.1mhz
amazingly it tuned up with a flat 1.1:1, didn't even need the ATU
there is about 50'? of RG-213 coax feeding it.
Perhaps losses and the capacitance of the coax run made the match?
MFJ 259B showed it as SWR= 1.2 R=38 X=0

Anyway made 2 contacts with Washinton state stations,
I think I can feel the tug from that 6m bugitus hook being set...
-- 
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K5OAI
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Re: [Elecraft] 6 Meters

[W0FK]

Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy wrote:
 
 David,
 
 Your symptoms clearly indicate that you are suffering from 6m Bugitis, and
 I 
 regret to have to tell you that there is no known cure!
 snip
 
 

There is a cure! Continue to drink from the 6M well. Bigger antennas, more
power, lower loss feedline, hours of listening to background noise for that
weak signal to come through, etc., etc. 

My K3 performs admirably. It's the best I have used on 6M in 24 years of fun
on the Magic Band.

Enjoy it!

73,

Lou, W0FK

-
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Re: [Elecraft] 6 Meters

[Lance Collister, W7GJ]

Hello Dave,

Well, I sure hope you were on this morning for the biggest Es opening ever from 
North 
America to Eastern and Northern EU!  Watch the ON4KST 6m chat pages and maps 
for 
signs that things are starting to open.  It went from the northeast USA all the 
way 
across to the Pacific Northwest!  Even blocked here by mountains toward EU, I 
weakly 
copied OH and HA - the first time I have ever heard EU from here on terrestrial 
propagation.  Of course, those with less than 13 degree horizons toward EU 
worked 
dozens of EU stations!

Even though I got skunked on the Es opening to EU today, I can't complain TOO 
much - 
I did work two new ones last week... VP2EMR on 4 hop Es, and SV9GPV on EME 
during his 
moonset ;-) Good luck on the Magic Band - especially over the next 3 weeks!

VY 73, Lance


On 6/20/2010 4:18 AM, David Yarnes wrote:
 Hi All,

 I seem to be digging myself a bigger and bigger hole called 6 meters!  First
 I just decided to see what could be heard on that band.  Not much--at least
 at first.  But then I got a dose of sporadic E, and things started getting a
 bit more interesting.  Then one of my friends talked me into building a
 moxon antenna.  That was fun, and pretty easy. The antenna seems to do a
 pretty good job.  So, I said to myself, if a simple moxon works that well, a
 4 element beam ought to be almost as easy to build, and work even better!

 That was all over the last 12 to 18 months.  Then came the June VHF contest
 (last week), and some very good sporadic E--better than last year!
 Actually, there were a couple of sprints in between, which weren't all that
 productive, but right now 6 meters is humming pretty good!  My K3 does very
 well, and I even use my R7 vertical much of the time (omni-directional) with
 surprisingly good results.

 I read some of the archives about 6 meter activity with the K3, and noticed
 a lot of commentary about the K3 being perhaps a bit light on 6 meter
 receive.  Well, a PR6 pre-amp might take care of that!  It does!  I just
 added that little accessory, and the results are impressive.  Not something
 you need for every QSO, but now I'm hearing stuff I couldn't even detect
 previously.  Lots of additional oomph without raising the noise level very
 much at all.  Very nifty product.

 Point is, I'm getting a little too intrigued with this for my own good!  Is
 there a 12 step program out there for this?  Fortunately (?) I'm deed
 restricted, so there won't be any towers and stacked arrays going up!  Hi.
 There's even some pretty active CW operation at times--I like that!

 Bottom line--if you haven't put your toe in the water on 6 yet, do it!  You
 probably have an antenna that will work fine, and don't realize it.  If you
 have a K3, and like what you hear initially, get a PR6 pre-amp.  Problem is
 that the sporadic E only lasts for a while, then goes away for several
 months.  But there's a lot more going on with 6 meters, even during the down
 times, than I realized.  If you have a radio that will do 6 meters, the rest
 is pretty easy.

 Dave W7AQK


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Re: [Elecraft] 6 Meters

[W0FK]

And coming from Lance, you know it has to be a big one!

Here is what the QSO's looked like at the height of the action.

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff305/Starman555/Ham%20Radio/June122010EU-NA6MOpening.jpg

Lou, W0FK


W7GJ, Lance wrote:
 
 Hello Dave,
 
 Well, I sure hope you were on this morning for the biggest Es opening ever
 from North 
 America to Eastern and Northern EU!  Watch the ON4KST 6m chat pages and
 maps for 
 signs that things are starting to open.  It went from the northeast USA
 all the way 
 across to the Pacific Northwest!  Even blocked here by mountains toward
 EU, I weakly 
 copied OH and HA - the first time I have ever heard EU from here on
 terrestrial 
 propagation.  Of course, those with less than 13 degree horizons toward EU
 worked 
 dozens of EU stations!
 
 Even though I got skunked on the Es opening to EU today, I can't complain
 TOO much - 
 I did work two new ones last week... VP2EMR on 4 hop Es, and SV9GPV on EME
 during his 
 moonset ;-) Good luck on the Magic Band - especially over the next 3
 weeks!
 
 VY 73, Lance
 
 
 
 


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Re: [Elecraft] 6 Meters

[Ken Roberson]

Hello all,

6 Meters was open this morning here in Oklahoma .
Worked 8 EU stations and KL7/KB7Q .
nice opening.
6M was also open yesterday morning.
GD DXing 73 Ken K5DNL
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--- On Sun, 6/20/10, Jim Sheldon w...@cox.net wrote:

 From: Jim Sheldon w...@cox.net
 Subject: [Elecraft] 6 Meters
 To: Elecraft Mailing List elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Sunday, June 20, 2010, 10:33 AM
 It appears that 6 meters is at least
 marginally open this morning.  Just worked a couple of
 VE3 stations on 6 CW from the Wichita, KS area.
 
 W0EB
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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters

[Wes Stewart]

Which is why, as a resident of southern AZ, I'm finding it hard to get 
motivated to put up a 6-meter antenna :-(

--- On Sun, 6/20/10, Larry Godek telegrap...@att.net wrote:

From: Larry Godek telegrap...@att.net
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Date: Sunday, June 20, 2010, 1:04 PM

For those of you who were sleeping or writing comments to the list here this 
morning, 6 meters was open in the grandest i've seen it in years.  Hundreds of 
paths from the SE thru the NW part of the country working into Europe and even 
the middle east.  Unfortunately it didn't get into western New Mexico, Southern 
half of Arizona or southern California but the rest of the country seemed to do 
quite well.  It looked like the DC and Seattle area had to suffer with most of 
the concentrated activity in those two spots.  I've never seen a map as heavily 
decorated in red lines like this one this morning.  I took some pictures with 
my camera for forwarding to folks who won't believe it. 

Yesterday my trusty K3 #763 put me in touch with ON4GG and 5J0BV so i at least 
wasn't left out completely!  The receiver in this thing is simply great.  Now 
to rid myself of local area noise.

Larry
W0OGH





  
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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters

[N2TK, Tony]

I was envious this morning listening to the mid-west running EU and not a
peep here in NY. My buddy in eastern PA said it was quiet for him too except
for SA.

N2TK, Tony 

-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Larry Godek
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 3:05 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters

For those of you who were sleeping or writing comments to the list here this
morning, 6 meters was open in the grandest i've seen it in years.  Hundreds
of paths from the SE thru the NW part of the country working into Europe and
even the middle east.  Unfortunately it didn't get into western New Mexico,
Southern half of Arizona or southern California but the rest of the country
seemed to do quite well.  It looked like the DC and Seattle area had to
suffer with most of the concentrated activity in those two spots.  I've
never seen a map as heavily decorated in red lines like this one this
morning.  I took some pictures with my camera for forwarding to folks who
won't believe it. 

Yesterday my trusty K3 #763 put me in touch with ON4GG and 5J0BV so i at
least wasn't left out completely!  The receiver in this thing is simply
great.  Now to rid myself of local area noise.

Larry
W0OGH

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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters

[Bob Garrett]

Same here Tony.  Heard DK and S5 very weakly.  It was very cool to hear the 
W7 stations working EU and quite the variety of callsigns too.  I bet such a 
path is rare.  We'll have our day.  73,  Bob K3UL 

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Re: [Elecraft] 6 Meters

[Rich - K1HTV]

Hi Sam,
  Welcome to 6 Meters, the 'Magic Band'.  Sounds like you have found out that
plenty on stations can be worked with your K3, even with antennas made for the
HF bands. My K3 has been performing great during the Es (E Skip) openings the
past few days. I've been running the K3 barefoot into a yagi on the deck, only
20 feet above ground since the tower isn't yet up at the new K1HTV VA QTH. In
the past days my 6M grid total of over 850 grids worked on 6M has climbed by
over a dozen. Single and double hop QSOs for the past two nights have produced 3
log pages of QSOs from my northern VA (FM18ap) QTH. This morning the band opened
up to Europe. Starting at 1316Z I worked E7DX in Bosnia-Hertzegovina for country
#149 followed by 9A5CW.  At 1320Z, HA3UU became 6M country #150. Four Italian
stations were also worked followed by another station in Hungary. 

These European DX stations were not only working the U.S. East Coast. They
worked well out into the 'EM' and 'DM' grids out west. A few Italian stations
worked out to the DM and CN grids today. Swedish stations worked into EM, DM 
DN grids this morning.

Much of the DX has been on CW but some were worked on SSB. Having the K3 sub
receiver set for the CW part of the 6M band in one ear and the main receiver
tuning the 6M SSB freqs worked great. After seeing a putout for an HA station in
one of the countries that I still needed, I simply parked one ear on the 'B' VFO
frequency reported on the DX Cluster while tuning around for other stations with
the 'A' VFO. When HA3UU's signal rose above the noise level, I was ready for
him. Boy, this K3 is a great radio!

Just remember, the band may seem dead but can quickly come to life from one part
of the world then just as quickly, the skip will change and another area is
working the DX as it dies for you. Don't let it get you down. Although it will
help, you don't need high power and high antennas to work plenty of DX on 6
meters.  If you haven't already tried it, check out this site as an aid to
chasing VHF DX with your K3:

http://www.vhfdx.info/

Click on the 'DX-Sherlock 1.97' bullet to view current paths reported open on
various VHF bands.

Enjoy your K3 on the Magic Band.

73,
Rich - K1HTV
http://www.k1htv.us

= = =

Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 09:25:33 -0500
From: Sam Morgan k5oai@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6 Meters
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Message-ID: 4c1e24dd.70...@gmail.com
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On 6/19/2010 11:18 PM, David Yarnes wrote:

 Bottom line--if you haven't put your toe in the water on 6 yet, do it!  You
 probably have an antenna that will work fine, and don't realize it.
 
I can testify this is true. Last night about 10:15pm cdt, I decided to see what 
I could hear.

With my Elecraft K3 running 100w into my 7' tall Hi-Q 6/160 vertical @ 20' on 
the apartment building roof. http://tinyurl.com/26zd4ub

I tuned the Hi-Q to ~ 11.65mhz so it would be a 5/8 on ~ 50.1mhz
amazingly it tuned up with a flat 1.1:1, didn't even need the ATU
there is about 50'? of RG-213 coax feeding it.
Perhaps losses and the capacitance of the coax run made the match?
MFJ 259B showed it as SWR= 1.2 R=38 X=0

Anyway made 2 contacts with Washinton state stations,
I think I can feel the tug from that 6m bugitus hook being set...
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K5OAI
Sam Morgan


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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters

[S Sacco]

Pretty good SSSP opening to JA right now ( 23:19Z 20 June 2010)...not
for Florida, but much of the rest of the US.

73,
Steve
NN4X


On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Bob Garrett rgarre...@comcast.net wrote:
 Same here Tony.  Heard DK and S5 very weakly.  It was very cool to hear the
 W7 stations working EU and quite the variety of callsigns too.  I bet such a
 path is rare.  We'll have our day.  73,  Bob K3UL

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Re: [Elecraft] 6 Meters

[Radio Amateur N5GE]

On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 21:18:07 -0700, David Yarnes w7...@cox.net wrote:

It's even more fun and more DX productive on CW and a better DX mode than SSB
(My opinion ;o)).

I easily worked Japan from Texas this evening with 100 watts K3 and 5 element
Yagi-Udah.

BT 73 ES GUD LUK
DE N5GE, 
QCWA LIFE MEMBER 35102 AR SK

n...@n5ge.com
http://www.n5ge.com


Hi All,

I seem to be digging myself a bigger and bigger hole called 6 meters!  First 
I just decided to see what could be heard on that band.  Not much--at least 
at first.  But then I got a dose of sporadic E, and things started getting a 
bit more interesting.  Then one of my friends talked me into building a 
moxon antenna.  That was fun, and pretty easy. The antenna seems to do a 
pretty good job.  So, I said to myself, if a simple moxon works that well, a 
4 element beam ought to be almost as easy to build, and work even better!

That was all over the last 12 to 18 months.  Then came the June VHF contest 
(last week), and some very good sporadic E--better than last year! 
Actually, there were a couple of sprints in between, which weren't all that 
productive, but right now 6 meters is humming pretty good!  My K3 does very 
well, and I even use my R7 vertical much of the time (omni-directional) with 
surprisingly good results.

I read some of the archives about 6 meter activity with the K3, and noticed 
a lot of commentary about the K3 being perhaps a bit light on 6 meter 
receive.  Well, a PR6 pre-amp might take care of that!  It does!  I just 
added that little accessory, and the results are impressive.  Not something 
you need for every QSO, but now I'm hearing stuff I couldn't even detect 
previously.  Lots of additional oomph without raising the noise level very 
much at all.  Very nifty product.

Point is, I'm getting a little too intrigued with this for my own good!  Is 
there a 12 step program out there for this?  Fortunately (?) I'm deed 
restricted, so there won't be any towers and stacked arrays going up!  Hi. 
There's even some pretty active CW operation at times--I like that!

Bottom line--if you haven't put your toe in the water on 6 yet, do it!  You 
probably have an antenna that will work fine, and don't realize it.  If you 
have a K3, and like what you hear initially, get a PR6 pre-amp.  Problem is 
that the sporadic E only lasts for a while, then goes away for several 
months.  But there's a lot more going on with 6 meters, even during the down 
times, than I realized.  If you have a radio that will do 6 meters, the rest 
is pretty easy.

Dave W7AQK


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Re: [Elecraft] 6 Meters

[David Woolley (E.L)]

Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:

 
 As Wayne's often mentioned here, the advanced up-conversion design of the K3

The K3 is not an up-conversion design.  With the exception that the 
second IF is digital and rather low, it is more like the double 
conversion amateur bands superhets that preceded the big commercial move 
to up-conversion.

One other thing.  I'm not clear whether people are really complaining 
about sensitivity, or whether they are actually complaining about gain. 
Sensitivity is about signal being louder than noise.  Gain is about both 
signal and noise being loud.



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Re: [Elecraft] 6 Meters

[Terry Schieler]

Ron, AC7AC wrote:

I can't speak for the engineering or product decisions that went into
offering 6 meters with the K3, but for an excellent low-noise 6 meter
capability Elecraft does offer the XV50 transverter which is well integrated
into the K3 and K2 rigs offering direct frequency readout, all of the
capabilities of the base K3 (or K2), and the 6 meter band becomes part of
the band selection just like the HF bands.

The XV144, 222 and 432 round out the same capability, letting you cycle
through bands using the K2 or K3 bandswitch from 160 through 70 cm with one
rig, and each of the VHF/UHF transverters has a low-noise high-performance
receive front end designed specifically for that band. 

As Wayne's often mentioned here, the advanced up-conversion design of the K3
is superior for HF but makes incorporating VHF a real challenge. Using an XV
transverter specifically designed for each VHF band keeps the K3 (or K2)
operating as a tunable I.F. in the HF (28 MHz) range. 

Ron AC7AC


Hi Ron,

I posted a number of months back asking if I would be better off using my
existing XV50 6 meter transverter with my K3 than the internal K3 receiver.
Someone from Elecraft replied that there would be no real benefit to doing
this.  Can't recall who, but it convinced me to put my XV50 up for sale.

Terry, W0FM
K3/100 #474




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Re: [Elecraft] 6 Meters

[wayne burdick]

Terry Schieler wrote:

 I posted a number of months back asking if I would be better off using 
 my
 existing XV50 6 meter transverter with my K3 than the internal K3 
 receiver.
 Someone from Elecraft replied that there would be no real benefit to 
 doing
 this.  Can't recall who, but it convinced me to put my XV50 up for 
 sale.

It was me.

The XV-50 might provide an advantage if:

- you already had your station set up with multiple XV-series 
transverters

- you had HF antennas connected to both ANT1 and ANT2, and thus
   need to use a transverter in order to take advantage of a
   special 6-m antenna

- you already have an XV-50, need the lower NF it provides on 6 m,
   and you'd rather not outfit your K3 with a PR6 preamp (and KXV3 I/O 
board)

73,
Wayne
N6KR

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Re: [Elecraft] 6 Meters XV3

[Terry Schieler]

Hi Wayne,

Good points.  You had also mentioned the need for an amp if I wanted more TX
power than the XV50 provides.  Another good point.

But, if I decide to keep my XV50 will you make me a black metal chassis
housing with white lettering so that it will match my K-3?  :o)

Thanks and best to all in Aptos!

Terry, W0FM


-Original Message-
From: wayne burdick [mailto:n...@elecraft.com] 
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 11:21 AM
To: Terry Schieler
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net; 'Ron D'Eau Claire'
Subject: Re: 6 Meters

Terry Schieler wrote:

 I posted a number of months back asking if I would be better off using 
 my
 existing XV50 6 meter transverter with my K3 than the internal K3 
 receiver.
 Someone from Elecraft replied that there would be no real benefit to 
 doing
 this.  Can't recall who, but it convinced me to put my XV50 up for 
 sale.

It was me.

The XV-50 might provide an advantage if:

- you already had your station set up with multiple XV-series 
transverters

- you had HF antennas connected to both ANT1 and ANT2, and thus
   need to use a transverter in order to take advantage of a
   special 6-m antenna

- you already have an XV-50, need the lower NF it provides on 6 m,
   and you'd rather not outfit your K3 with a PR6 preamp (and KXV3 I/O 
board)

73,
Wayne
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Re: [Elecraft] 6 Meters

[JIM DAVIS]

On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 12:34:03 -0500
  Phil LaMarche plama...@verizon.net wrote:
 I purchased a used FT 100 just to monitor 6 while using the other bands with
 the K3.  Today there is a great opening.  Signals are screaming from the FT
 100 and hardly heard on the K3 using an antenna switch.  Guess I better get
 a Preamp in line quickly.
 
 Phil
 
 
 Philip LaMarche 
 LaMarche Enterprises, Inc.
 http://www.instantgourmetspices.com/ www.instantgourmetspices.com
 
 www.w9dvm.com http://www.w9dvm.com/  
 800-395-7795 pin 02 
 727-944-3226 
FAX 727-937-8834 
 NASFT 30210 
 W9DVM 
*

Phil,

You're right about the 6mtr. band being practically deaf in the K3!!!  I did 
order the 6m. preamp 
because of
that short-coming! But you would have thought that the BOYZ @ Elecraft would'nt 
have short-changed
6m sensitivity as ALL THE OTHER BANDS HEAR WELL!!!

Why build a quality rig if one-band is only added as a after-thought???

Jim/nn6ee
S/N 2406



  

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Re: [Elecraft] 6 Meters

[Phil LaMarche]

What's so amazing is that others tell me how good their K3 is on 6.  This is
a unit built by AB7R who is tops with Elecraft and it was checked out before
selling.  The other bands are wonderful.  Just a point, my Flex 1000 and
Flex 5000 was the same way and part of the reason I switched.  Still happy I
did, especially with the Lp Pan which emulates Flex.  BUT to have an old 400
buck FT100 body slam it is quite puzzling.

Phil 


Philip LaMarche 
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www.instantgourmetspices.com

www.w9dvm.com 
800-395-7795 pin 02 
727-944-3226 
FAX 727-937-8834 
NASFT 30210 
W9DVM 



-Original Message-
From: JIM DAVIS [mailto:nn...@astound.net] 
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 2:12 PM
To: Phil LaMarche; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6 Meters

On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 12:34:03 -0500
  Phil LaMarche plama...@verizon.net wrote:
 I purchased a used FT 100 just to monitor 6 while using the other 
 bands with the K3.  Today there is a great opening.  Signals are 
 screaming from the FT 100 and hardly heard on the K3 using an antenna 
 switch.  Guess I better get a Preamp in line quickly.
 
 Phil
 
 
 Philip LaMarche
 LaMarche Enterprises, Inc.
 http://www.instantgourmetspices.com/ www.instantgourmetspices.com
 
 www.w9dvm.com http://www.w9dvm.com/
 800-395-7795 pin 02
 727-944-3226
FAX 727-937-8834
 NASFT 30210
 W9DVM

*

Phil,

You're right about the 6mtr. band being practically deaf in the K3!!!  I did
order the 6m. preamp because of that short-coming! But you would have
thought that the BOYZ @ Elecraft would'nt have short-changed 6m sensitivity
as ALL THE OTHER BANDS HEAR WELL!!!

Why build a quality rig if one-band is only added as a after-thought???

Jim/nn6ee
S/N 2406



  

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Re: [Elecraft] 6 Meters

[Phil LaMarche]

Very strange.  Went to 6 on the K3 and my speaker was full of signals.
Worked Texas and Mexico with +9 signals.  This morning the 100 heard
everything and when switched to K3, hardly anything.  Maybe the K3 gods
helped.  I have 5 elements at 80 ft.

Phil 


Philip LaMarche 
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-Original Message-
From: Jack Colson [mailto:jcols...@tampabay.rr.com] 
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 3:10 PM
To: Phil LaMarche
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6 Meters

50.062 SW of Ocala.  Down South in EL86 is W9DR and if I recall he is on
about 071.  I am hearing a TI and XE beacons now on 6 with my beam pointed
NE.
Good luck.
- Original Message -
From: Phil LaMarche plama...@verizon.net
To: 'Jack Colson' jcols...@tampabay.rr.com
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 3:06 PM
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] 6 Meters



 Thank you.  Do you know the frequency?

 Phil


 Philip LaMarche
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 727-944-3226
 FAX 727-937-8834
 NASFT 30210
 W9DVM



 -Original Message-
 From: Jack Colson [mailto:jcols...@tampabay.rr.com]
 Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 2:52 PM
 To: Phil LaMarche
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6 Meters

 Phil have you found a CW beacon to listen to on 6 meters?  There are 
 several in range of Tampa.  I have a homebuilt pre-amp for 6 and it 
 does make a difference but I can still copy the weak signals w/o the 
 external amp in the shack.  I have a FT-100D and it is a very hot 
 receiver.  If you look at the Sherwood measurements that is quite 
 obvious.

 73
 Jack
 - Original Message -
 From: Phil LaMarche plama...@verizon.net
 To: 'JIM DAVIS' nn...@astound.net; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 2:37 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6 Meters



 What's so amazing is that others tell me how good their K3 is on 6.
 This is
 a unit built by AB7R who is tops with Elecraft and it was checked out
 before
 selling.  The other bands are wonderful.  Just a point, my Flex 1000
 and
 Flex 5000 was the same way and part of the reason I switched.  Still
 happy I
 did, especially with the Lp Pan which emulates Flex.  BUT to have an
 old 400
 buck FT100 body slam it is quite puzzling.

 Phil


 Philip LaMarche
 LaMarche Enterprises, Inc.
 www.instantgourmetspices.com

 www.w9dvm.com
 800-395-7795 pin 02
 727-944-3226
 FAX 727-937-8834
 NASFT 30210
 W9DVM



 -Original Message-
 From: JIM DAVIS [mailto:nn...@astound.net]
 Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 2:12 PM
 To: Phil LaMarche; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6 Meters

 On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 12:34:03 -0500
  Phil LaMarche plama...@verizon.net wrote:
 I purchased a used FT 100 just to monitor 6 while using the other
 bands with the K3.  Today there is a great opening.  Signals are
 screaming from the FT 100 and hardly heard on the K3 using an 
 antenna
 switch.  Guess I better get a Preamp in line quickly.

 Phil


 Philip LaMarche
 LaMarche Enterprises, Inc.
 http://www.instantgourmetspices.com/ www.instantgourmetspices.com

 www.w9dvm.com http://www.w9dvm.com/
 800-395-7795 pin 02
 727-944-3226
FAX 727-937-8834
 NASFT 30210
 W9DVM



 *

 Phil,

 You're right about the 6mtr. band being practically deaf in the K3!!!
 I did
 order the 6m. preamp because of that short-coming! But you would have
 thought that the BOYZ @ Elecraft would'nt have short-changed 6m
 sensitivity
 as ALL THE OTHER BANDS HEAR WELL!!!

 Why build a quality rig if one-band is only added as a
 after-thought???

 Jim/nn6ee
 S/N 2406





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Re: [Elecraft] 6 Meters

[Jay Bromley]

Hummm that is indeed weird.  When this was bought up last summer I thought 
my K3 must be special as I kept it on 6m the whole summer.  I would switch 
back and forth between rigs and never found the K3 lacking.

Could be my simple setup?  Not much feedline loss, the antenna is very low 
to the ground and near the shack.  Probably not over 25 feet of feedline.

73 de jay/w5jay..


 What's so amazing is that others tell me how good their K3 is on 6.  This 
 is
 a unit built by AB7R who is tops with Elecraft and it was checked out 
 before
 selling.  The other bands are wonderful.  Just a point, my Flex 1000 and
 Flex 5000 was the same way and part of the reason I switched.  Still happy 
 I
 did, especially with the Lp Pan which emulates Flex.  BUT to have an old 
 400
 buck FT100 body slam it is quite puzzling.

 Phil


 Philip LaMarche
 LaMarche Enterprises, Inc.
 www.instantgourmetspices.com

 www.w9dvm.com
 800-395-7795 pin 02
 727-944-3226
 FAX 727-937-8834
 NASFT 30210
 W9DVM



 -Original Message-
 From: JIM DAVIS [mailto:nn...@astound.net]
 Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 2:12 PM
 To: Phil LaMarche; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6 Meters

 On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 12:34:03 -0500
  Phil LaMarche plama...@verizon.net wrote:
 I purchased a used FT 100 just to monitor 6 while using the other
 bands with the K3.  Today there is a great opening.  Signals are
 screaming from the FT 100 and hardly heard on the K3 using an antenna
 switch.  Guess I better get a Preamp in line quickly.

 Phil


 Philip LaMarche
 LaMarche Enterprises, Inc.
 http://www.instantgourmetspices.com/ www.instantgourmetspices.com

 www.w9dvm.com http://www.w9dvm.com/
 800-395-7795 pin 02
 727-944-3226
FAX 727-937-8834
 NASFT 30210
 W9DVM
 
 *

 Phil,

 You're right about the 6mtr. band being practically deaf in the K3!!!  I 
 did
 order the 6m. preamp because of that short-coming! But you would have
 thought that the BOYZ @ Elecraft would'nt have short-changed 6m 
 sensitivity
 as ALL THE OTHER BANDS HEAR WELL!!!

 Why build a quality rig if one-band is only added as a after-thought???

 Jim/nn6ee
 S/N 2406





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Re: [Elecraft] 6 Meters

[Ron D'Eau Claire]

I can't speak for the engineering or product decisions that went into
offering 6 meters with the K3, but for an excellent low-noise 6 meter
capability Elecraft does offer the XV50 transverter which is well integrated
into the K3 and K2 rigs offering direct frequency readout, all of the
capabilities of the base K3 (or K2), and the 6 meter band becomes part of
the band selection just like the HF bands.

The XV144, 222 and 432 round out the same capability, letting you cycle
through bands using the K2 or K3 bandswitch from 160 through 70 cm with one
rig, and each of the VHF/UHF transverters has a low-noise high-performance
receive front end designed specifically for that band. 

As Wayne's often mentioned here, the advanced up-conversion design of the K3
is superior for HF but makes incorporating VHF a real challenge. Using an XV
transverter specifically designed for each VHF band keeps the K3 (or K2)
operating as a tunable I.F. in the HF (28 MHz) range. 

Ron AC7AC



-Original Message-

On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 12:34:03 -0500
  Phil LaMarche plama...@verizon.net wrote:
 I purchased a used FT 100 just to monitor 6 while using the other bands
with
 the K3.  Today there is a great opening.  Signals are screaming from the
FT
 100 and hardly heard on the K3 using an antenna switch.  Guess I better
get
 a Preamp in line quickly.
 
 Phil
 
 
 Philip LaMarche 
 LaMarche Enterprises, Inc.
 http://www.instantgourmetspices.com/ www.instantgourmetspices.com
 
 www.w9dvm.com http://www.w9dvm.com/  
 800-395-7795 pin 02 
 727-944-3226 
FAX 727-937-8834 
 NASFT 30210 
 W9DVM 

*

Phil,

You're right about the 6mtr. band being practically deaf in the K3!!!  I did
order the 6m. preamp 
because of
that short-coming! But you would have thought that the BOYZ @ Elecraft
would'nt have short-changed
6m sensitivity as ALL THE OTHER BANDS HEAR WELL!!!

Why build a quality rig if one-band is only added as a after-thought???

Jim/nn6ee
S/N 2406



  

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Re: [Elecraft] 6 Meters

[W0FK]

My K3 hears just fine. I compared it to the receiver in my IC-7800 today on
an XE2 from DL95 slipping into EM48. The K3 heard just as well, and actually
handled my line noise on 6M better. I listened using the PR6 with the rig
preamp in and out, just the internal preamp on, and no preamps at all 

Lou, W0FK 



Phil LaMarche-2 wrote:
 
 I purchased a used FT 100 just to monitor 6 while using the other bands
 with
 the K3.  Today there is a great opening.  Signals are screaming from the
 FT
 100 and hardly heard on the K3 using an antenna switch.  Guess I better
 get
 a Preamp in line quickly.
  
 Phil
  
 
 Philip LaMarche 
 LaMarche Enterprises, Inc.
  http://www.instantgourmetspices.com/ www.instantgourmetspices.com
 
 www.w9dvm.com http://www.w9dvm.com/  
 800-395-7795 pin 02 
 727-944-3226 
 FAX 727-937-8834 
 NASFT 30210 
 W9DVM 
 
 
  
 
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Re: [Elecraft] 6 Meters

[Ian White GM3SEK]

Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:

As Wayne's often mentioned here, the advanced up-conversion design of 
the K3 is superior for HF but makes incorporating VHF a real challenge.

No challenge at all... had it been thought about at the design stage.

Since the K3 is top-of-the-line in so many other respects, it rankles 
that the 6m sensitivity is poorer than that of many 'inferior' 
transceivers. Even my old IC746 has a built-in alternative preamp for 6m 
which makes it easily capable of hearing antenna noise, which my K3 
cannot (and yes, it does meet the published sensitivity specification). 
Phil just discovered something very similar with his old FT100.

I'm not shouting or getting angry, but do remain quietly insistent that 
the inferior 6m sensitivity is a blemish on the K3's otherwise excellent 
performance. With great respect, it doesn't matter whether 6m is a 
minority interest or not; this is about excellence and what's needed to 
achieve it.

All the K3 does need for 6m is an alternative preamp with slightly more 
gain and a lower noise figure than the existing preamp (which was 
optimized mainly for strong signal handling). That's all it takes to 
shift the K3's window of dynamic range downward by several dB, which 
will make it capable of hearing antenna noise on 50MHz at a quiet site; 
which presently it isn't [1].

Although a preamp can improve the sensitivity by a few dB, the penalty 
is that a greater number of decibels must always be lost at the 
strong-signal end of the dynamic range. However, the K3 is better placed 
than any other transceiver to trade off a little of its dynamic range 
for a marked improvement in weak-signal performance.

The PR6 and many alternative preamps have proved those points. But the 
point that many people are making is that an adequate 6m preamp did not 
*have* to be an external accessory. Much of the size and complexity of 
the PR6 is due to its being an external unit. With forethought, 
something similar but *much* smaller and simpler could have been 
designed as an integral part of the KXV3 assembly - there's plenty of 
space in there. A selectable internal preamp is still possible as a 
modification involving a few track cuts (watch this space).

All the above can be expressed in more technical detail, in terms of 
antenna  noise temperatures and signal/noise ratio on weak signals, but 
that's the Sunday evening version... oops, Monday morning.



[1]  if anyone can distinctly hear 6m antenna noise on a bare K3, yours 
is not a quiet site. If you can't hear antenna noise but still claim 
to be able to hear all the weak signals... are you sure you've heard 
them *all*?


-- 

73 from Ian GM3SEK
Editor, 'The VHF/UHF DX Book'
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Re: [Elecraft] 6 Meters

[wayne burdick]

Ian,

Much forethought was put into this (at the design stage). We knew ahead 
of time that the 6-m MDS was going to be in the -135 dBm  range with 
the internal preamp, due to the losses in the T-R switching and narrow 
band-pass filtering. Both were required for this design.

A separate 6-m preamp would only have boosted 6-m MDS by a couple of dB 
because it follows the other front-end losses. Thus we elected -- from 
the start -- to provide for an *external* 6-m preamp, patched between 
RX ANT IN/OUT. With this solution, we get a world-class 6-m MDS in the 
-144 dBm range, and you don't pay for it unless you need it.

Every rig has tradeoffs. This was one of ours.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

Ian White GM3SEK wrote:

 As Wayne's often mentioned here, the advanced up-conversion design of
 the K3 is superior for HF but makes incorporating VHF a real 
 challenge.

 No challenge at all... had it been thought about at the design stage.


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Re: [Elecraft] 6 Meters and TX IMD

[Jay Bromley]

Hi Jan,
I don't think the K3/100's -29 dB for TX IMD is all that far out of line 
with today's 100 watt class rig.  In fact most 100 watt 13.8 volt rigs are a 
dB or two from this.  I think the K3 QRP rig wasn't this good on bands above 
17m @ higher power, but still measured -27 dB.  Although it would be nice to 
have it much better (mid 30s or even in the 40s), even my Icom 7700 is was 
only measured @ -28dB with MRF150 final with 48 volts on them.  Seems very 
rare for a current rig to be in the high -30s and -40s.

So I am not sure what the bench mark would be on TX IMD these days or if  we 
could afford it?

Question, can you hear IMD off the air or just the artifacts?

As Wayne said earlier everything is a trade off.

73 de jay/w5jay..


- Original Message - 
From: Jan Erik Holm sm2...@telia.com
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 11:53 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 Meters and TX IMD


Elecraft K3 is sold as a High Performance Radio,
this is in print clearly stated on the web page.

The 6m RX in K3 can not be called high performance.
With a NF of above 10 and MDS as it is.

The transmitter on SSB has so poor IMD that it can
not be called high performance. ARRL and many others
has measured poor TX IMD. I hear K3´s on the air
every day with poor SSB TX IMD. People do have
problems with PSK and other digital modes due to
poor TX performance.

IMO 6m is fixed with the preamp, no big issue anymore.
However it should be stated in advertisement that for
high performance on 6m K3 needs a preamp.

Then we have the transmitter, what to do?? The problem
has been swept under the carpet and it doesn´t go
away by itself, it is stil there, under the carpet.

73 Jim SM2EKM
--
Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
 I can't speak for the engineering or product decisions that went into
 offering 6 meters with the K3, but for an excellent low-noise 6 meter
 capability Elecraft does offer the XV50 transverter which is well 
 integrated
 into the K3 and K2 rigs offering direct frequency readout, all of the
 capabilities of the base K3 (or K2), and the 6 meter band becomes part of
 the band selection just like the HF bands.

 The XV144, 222 and 432 round out the same capability, letting you cycle
 through bands using the K2 or K3 bandswitch from 160 through 70 cm with 
 one
 rig, and each of the VHF/UHF transverters has a low-noise high-performance
 receive front end designed specifically for that band.

 As Wayne's often mentioned here, the advanced up-conversion design of the 
 K3
 is superior for HF but makes incorporating VHF a real challenge. Using an 
 XV
 transverter specifically designed for each VHF band keeps the K3 (or K2)
 operating as a tunable I.F. in the HF (28 MHz) range.

 Ron AC7AC



 -Original Message-

 On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 12:34:03 -0500
   Phil LaMarche plama...@verizon.net wrote:
 I purchased a used FT 100 just to monitor 6 while using the other bands
 with
 the K3.  Today there is a great opening.  Signals are screaming from the
 FT
 100 and hardly heard on the K3 using an antenna switch.  Guess I better
 get
 a Preamp in line quickly.

 Phil


 Philip LaMarche
 LaMarche Enterprises, Inc.
 http://www.instantgourmetspices.com/ www.instantgourmetspices.com

 www.w9dvm.com http://www.w9dvm.com/
 800-395-7795 pin 02
 727-944-3226
 FAX 727-937-8834
 NASFT 30210
 W9DVM
 
 *

 Phil,

 You're right about the 6mtr. band being practically deaf in the K3!!!  I 
 did
 order the 6m. preamp
 because of
 that short-coming! But you would have thought that the BOYZ @ Elecraft
 would'nt have short-changed
 6m sensitivity as ALL THE OTHER BANDS HEAR WELL!!!

 Why build a quality rig if one-band is only added as a after-thought???

 Jim/nn6ee
 S/N 2406





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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters

[Brendan Minish]

I have a good 6m set-up with a 7 element long yagi and low loss feeder
(~ 0.5dB). I am in a quiet (in most directions..) rural area. 

Without the PR6 the K3 does not hear quite as well as my Icom 7800 used
to. The stock K3 is still good enough to decode some EME QSO's 

Swapping between the antenna and a 50 Ohm load shows that band noise is
sightly higher on the antenna than the load. 

In my quiet rural location The stock K3 is almost sensitive enough
without the PR6 enabled. Turning on the PR6 helps by a couple of dB with
the really weak ones but once the PR6 is on the band noise floor becomes
the limiting factor.

For many in urban locations manmande nose will be the limiting factor,
not the sensitivity of the K3  

73
Brendan EI6IZ (108 DXCC  42 US states on 6m) 

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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters

[K7WIA]

I replaced my 6 meter station ( Orion O2 + Elecraft XV50 ) with the K3.
I find that in my city location that the K3 is equal to the old set up. I do
have the PR6 preamp but I find that I do not need it as the one in the K3 is
just fine. living in the city the background noise is S3 - S4 most of the
time..when the rains come it drops to S2..unless you live way out in the
country and no noise you should not need the PR6 as all it will do is raise
the noise floor
don't forget that the skip on 6 meters can be quite selective, I have
observed that stations 5 miles away from me can work station that I can not
hear and a bit later I will be working them and the other station won't hear
them..
I have a 5 MHZ crystal reference that I use the 10th harmonic for
calibration at 50 Mhz and use it for a weak signal reference..   there is
very little difference between the 2 station set ups..
you need to set it up to be able to switch between the 2 radios and compare
at the same time.. if the K3 is weak contact Elecraft support...

EdK7WIA
6 meters since '63
3 time WAS
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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters

[K8TB]

   Something is not right, and a tip off is that two rigs have 
problems. Are you using the EXACT same cable to connect your 6 meter 
antenna to the 3 rigs? Are you using any relays or coax switches? I've 
been to a few shacks where the ham claims a brand new rig is junk. 
Twice, the jumper from their A/B was junk. There is no way the K3 would 
only hear the friend with an amp real weak.  One guys shack had a bad 
jumper, that worked when you had it going to right, but not stretched to 
the left!
   The Elecraft Noise Generator is worth its weight in gold and 
platinum. Gives you a real quick check on reality.


   Please double check your setup, very carefully.

   tom k8tb



Phil LaMarche wrote:
One of the reasons I purchased a K3 was to have a superior 6 meter 
rig.  I have 5 elements at 85 ft.  A friend about 12 miles away was 
working all kinds of stations and I can't hear a single one and his KW 
was very faint with an antenna at 85 ft.  My Flex 5000A didn't work on 
6 meters as well and the Pro III heard everything.
 


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Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters - need info (OT?)

[Julian G4ILO]

Keith, I think your assumptions are pretty close to the mark. 6 is
mostly closed except during the summer months when there are
occasional sporadic-E openings giving 59++ contacts over distances up
to 1,000 miles (sometimes more, with double-hop) even when using low
power. As the name suggests, these openings are completely
unpredictable, except they occur during a season of a couple of months
or so centered around mid-June, and more often than not occur during
the day when most people are at work. They are great fun when you
catch one, though.

The number of sporadic-E openings in a year doesn't seem much affected
by the solar cycle. Regular openings like you get on the lower bands
obviously are, but the MUF is rarely high enough to support 6m
propagation even during the solar maximum, so even when 10m may be
workable, 6m often is not. You do have to be dedicated and watch for
such openings to catch them, even more than for sporadic-E.

The same effort put in to 10m probably would produce more QSOs, though
I've often found 6m busy during a Sporadic-E opening when 10m is dead.
That may be because 6m has its own dedicated fans, many of whom only
work VHF. To them, the kind of distances workable via Sporadic-E are
DX, whereas to the HF DXer they are short skip, local and not very
interesting.

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On 9/27/07, Darwin, Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 This relates to my consideration of purchasing a K3.

 I know NOTHING about 6 meters.  I'm an HF op who does CW and some SSB.
 What I believe about 6 meters comes from my (limited) experience on 10
 meters.  I'm expecting that 6 is mostly closed but has occasional
 openings, provided you're not at a sunspot low.  I'm assuming the
 successful 6 meter operator has to be watching propagation and has to
 pick their operating time.  I assume it is a hit or miss band and that
 you don't have any fun up there unless you put in the time and happen to
 catch it when it is open.  I'm assuming the same effort put into to 10
 meters would produce more QSOs.
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