Re: [e-users] [e17] net and cpu modules
On Mon, 21 May 2007 16:34:53 +0200 David Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Christopher Michael wrote: David Moore wrote: Hi, I have e17 installed from cvs from the 17th of May. The net and cpu modules no longer appear in the available modules list (as in, they're not in the enabled modules and they're not available to be enabled). I can see the module files in the correct place ,alongside all the modules which are there. Is this a fault in my setup, or is there something wrong with these modules at the moment? thanks, David Moore David, I just tested both these modules from a fresh cvs checkout and they work fine. They show up in my modules list here. If I had to guess, I would say that the module.desktop is missing from ~/.e/e/modules/net[cpu]. You can try removing ~/.e/e/modules/net[cpu] and reinstall them...that should install the proper module.desktop so that they show in your list. devilhorns Hi, Thanks for your help on this. My .e/e/modules/ directory is empty. I run Arch Linux, and I've set up all the libraries, applications and modules as packages which pull from CVS, build packages and then install under the prefix /opt/e17. Below is the file list from the e17-net module package: /opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/net/e-module-net.edj /opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/net/linux-gnu-x86_64/module.a /opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/net/linux-gnu-x86_64/module.so /opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/net/module.desktop /opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/net/net.edj /opt/e17/share/locale/it/LC_MESSAGES/net.mo This is a file list of the e17-wlan package, a module which is working: /opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/wlan/e-module-wlan.edj /opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/wlan/linux-gnu-x86_64/module.a /opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/wlan/linux-gnu-x86_64/module.so /opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/wlan/module.desktop /opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/wlan/wlan.edj /opt/e17/share/locale/eo/LC_MESSAGES/wlan.mo /opt/e17/share/locale/fi/LC_MESSAGES/wlan.mo /opt/e17/share/locale/it/LC_MESSAGES/wlan.mo /opt/e17/share/locale/ja/LC_MESSAGES/wlan.mo /opt/e17/share/locale/sv/LC_MESSAGES/wlan.mo sloppy packaging. why package the module.a files? they are entirely unneeded. als e-module-wlan.edje seems out of place - it's not in the src. The package manager makes sure old files get removed and so the files would all be up to date. There is a module.desktop under a modules/net directory. Any other ideas as to what could go wrong? TIA, David Moore -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGUa4NOP+t1LlaoiERAsjUAJ4i0176Zf/jLWlzzTWY3qJSw46wpwCgkfKF ukQVh5nFl5LLss+OwOGHSXo= =DVMT -END PGP SIGNATURE- - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] [e17] net and cpu modules
On Tue, 22 May 2007 15:44:37 +0200 David Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Mon, 21 May 2007 16:34:53 +0200 David Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Christopher Michael wrote: This is a file list of the e17-wlan package, a module which is working: /opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/wlan/e-module-wlan.edj /opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/wlan/linux-gnu-x86_64/module.a /opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/wlan/linux-gnu-x86_64/module.so /opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/wlan/module.desktop /opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/wlan/wlan.edj /opt/e17/share/locale/eo/LC_MESSAGES/wlan.mo /opt/e17/share/locale/fi/LC_MESSAGES/wlan.mo /opt/e17/share/locale/it/LC_MESSAGES/wlan.mo /opt/e17/share/locale/ja/LC_MESSAGES/wlan.mo /opt/e17/share/locale/sv/LC_MESSAGES/wlan.mo sloppy packaging. why package the module.a files? they are entirely unneeded. als e-module-wlan.edje seems out of place - it's not in the src. This is neither more nor less than is put in place with a make DESTDIR=$tempdir install, where tempdir is then turned into a .tar.gz containing the above files. If it's sloppy packaging, it's sloppy installing on the part of the Makefile. Or is there a reason that I should exclude specific files that make install has included? yes. modules should exclude *.a files. libtool insists on creating them and installing them because it thinks its needed as we will then use them (libtldl in theory can in combination with module.la). note that the sample package files for e17 remove any .a's for modules same for evas and emotion. David Moore -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGUvPFOP+t1LlaoiERAoQMAKCZF7fBPJLnszdkPiFzS35zcJivLgCfccUy UvMVaLtX7fVY1JUqDV54qFs= =vrYh -END PGP SIGNATURE- - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] [e17] net and cpu modules
On Tue, 22 May 2007 14:01:16 -0400 Christopher Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Tue, 22 May 2007 15:44:37 +0200 David Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Mon, 21 May 2007 16:34:53 +0200 David Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Christopher Michael wrote: This is a file list of the e17-wlan package, a module which is working: /opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/wlan/e-module-wlan.edj /opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/wlan/linux-gnu-x86_64/module.a /opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/wlan/linux-gnu-x86_64/module.so /opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/wlan/module.desktop /opt/e17/lib/enlightenment/modules/wlan/wlan.edj /opt/e17/share/locale/eo/LC_MESSAGES/wlan.mo /opt/e17/share/locale/fi/LC_MESSAGES/wlan.mo /opt/e17/share/locale/it/LC_MESSAGES/wlan.mo /opt/e17/share/locale/ja/LC_MESSAGES/wlan.mo /opt/e17/share/locale/sv/LC_MESSAGES/wlan.mo sloppy packaging. why package the module.a files? they are entirely unneeded. als e-module-wlan.edje seems out of place - it's not in the src. This is neither more nor less than is put in place with a make DESTDIR=$tempdir install, where tempdir is then turned into a .tar.gz containing the above files. If it's sloppy packaging, it's sloppy installing on the part of the Makefile. Or is there a reason that I should exclude specific files that make install has included? yes. modules should exclude *.a files. libtool insists on creating them and installing them because it thinks its needed as we will then use them (libtldl in theory can in combination with module.la). note that the sample package files for e17 remove any .a's for modules same for evas and emotion. David Moore Raster, I do have to (respectfully) disagree with you on this one. I just checked the official E modules installations, and they are also installing module.a files in /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/module. that's what i said. libtool insists on creating AND installing them. it's partof libtool and how it decides to build and install things when it comes to loadable modules. it ASSUMEs we will use libltdl to load them. libltdl CAN load .a files if you also have a .la file - for systems that do not support .so's. thankfully for us - we don't care about systems that do NOT support .so's (if you have one - too bad. it probably should have died long ago, like 20 years ago). libtool is just being utterly stupid with regards to modules. packages should strip .a's and 'la's for modules out. unless you know some magic hidden libtool foo that will stop this from happening? i have yet to find/know of any. dh - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] How Do I....?
On Tue, 22 May 2007 20:10:27 +0100 Figaro [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: considered deleting them? running Debian Unstable. Just did an upgrade.. now my e-17 has file icons all over my desktop. I HATE desktop icons especially and always loved the fact that with E one could make that crap disappear. This time though I have not been able to either make them transparent or to find the hide Desktop files. Any help would be MUCH appreciated. thank you, matthew - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Temperature Module
On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 19:52:48 -0700 Isaac Ortega [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Hello, The temperature mod reads 'Temp' instead of displaying the actual temperature. I have a temp probe, and I can read the temperature in BIOS. Do I need to install a certain kernel module in order for this to work? the temperature module looks at a few places. /proc/acpi/thermal_zone... /proc/omnibook/temperature... /sys/devices/temperatures/cpu_temperature... /sys/bus/i2c/devices/... got temp sensors here - it will find one. if not - then it won't. Thanks Isaac - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] System Tray
On Thu, 03 May 2007 12:19:22 -0600 Jackie C. Smith II [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: there is, and will be, no system tray support in e17. use something else like trayer. Thank you for adding me to your mail list. I have looked at the FAQ and unless I missed it, I did not see my situation there. That being said, I installed e17 on my existing Linux Mint (using edgy 6.10). It works wonderfully, however, I noticed that there is no system tray available. There is no way to see my programs that are running in the background. Such as, (any) messenger, Amarok. While with most programs, all I need to do to activate the active program is to click on that programs starter, programs like Skype will open a new window leaving no way to access the already opened window. Thank you in advance for considering this situation. Clyde9 - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Evas on DirectFB questions
On Wed, 9 May 2007 13:40:36 +0200 (CEST) [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Hi, I have some questions about Evas on DirectFB. I made some tests of Evas on an embedded system, first on framebuffer and then with DirectFB. And the result is that Framebuffer test is really faster than DirectFB one. There's practically a factor 2 between them. Does anybody knows why there is such a difference between them ? (I checked and DirectFB use the acceleration of my system.) I looked at DirectFB module in Evas source code. I saw that a 32 bits ARGB backbuf is used. Why this choice has been made instead of a 16bits RGB for example ? Thanks for yours answers, 32bit doesn't lose quality. it also easily suports an inline alpha channel. 16bit does not. you need to do a separate alpha plane. also its lower quality. the software enigne is 32bit. also remember evas's dfb engine is very much a 2nd class citizen and is mostly not maintained. Stéph - Découvrez une nouvelle façon d'obtenir des réponses à toutes vos questions ! Profitez des connaissances, des opinions et des expériences des internautes sur Yahoo! Questions/Réponses. - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] interesting thing happened with xinerama
On Thu, 24 May 2007 07:30:55 +1000 Russell Davie [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On Wed, 23 May 2007 16:17:47 -0400 Mike Russo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe this is how E17 is designed - and I've been using it for so long I cannot even think of going back to using any other desktop environment. The icons for windows in the pager is also another reason I use E17 everywhere. It maybe how its designed, but to scroll desktops by mouse wheel is not set by default. As its not, the full power of having xinerama run with independent heads is lost. heads are independant in e17 always in xinerama - you simply added a binding for wheel on the desktop bg. alt+mouse wheel has always changed desktops - anywhere (even over a window). if you use alt+shift+arrow keys it will change desktops (independently), as will ctrl+alt+left/right, alt+f1,f2,f3... and the pager too will change desktops on THAT screen only. To scroll the desktops via mouse wheel is a feature I have enjoyed since e16 was in the Debian repositories and missed it when e17 first started up. I never expected to get independent heads and this is unique in all the window managers I have tried with xinerama. Feature Request: please set as default to scroll desktops via mouse wheel. no - it's very bad to have by default. it is very easy to scroll the wheel accidentally on the desktop - especially with middle mouse click menu. then suddenly your virtual desktop changes as well as the menu popping up. it's bad. if you really want it - add it by all means, but by default it's a bad idea for usability. especially for new users. we do have alt+mousewheel by default EVERYWHERE do this (actually missed popup by default - added). - R Russell Davie wrote: Hi All Thanks for your help in compiling e17! I have managed to get it running in dual heads with a laptop and external lcd. It it now able to run dual monitors in xinerama and also have independent heads! -- Mike Russo ReadQ Systems, Inc. (212) 425-3680 Random quote of the last-time-I-ran-bash: I saw this in a movie about a bus that had to speed around a city, keeping its speed over fifty, and if its speed dropped, it would explode! I think it was called `The Bus That Couldn't Slow Down.' -- Homer Simpson The Springfield Files - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] dual screen / fallow mouse option
On Mon, 28 May 2007 18:11:31 +0200 minimec [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: This is an application-level issue. some apps remember their location on screen. the apps have no idea that each screen is treated differently by the wm, but they blindly ask for their location of +1700+20 (the right screen). e obeys and puts them there. you need to use window remember and locks features for these apps. remember the locks, and lock the program from changing position. Hi From time to time I read some threads about e17 and a two screen configuration. So there are at least some 'two-screen' users among us. In may daily use of e17 with a dual screen configuration with Xinerama I have become aware of different behaviour, when I open software. OpenOffice, Scribus, Nautilus for example do remember the screen, where they were opened the last time. Thunar, Firefox, gnome-terminal on the other hand do not. They open on the screen, the pointer (mouse) is in. I would like to have some kind of 'fallow mouse/pointer option' in the windows properties menu, to influence the default opening behaviour of software. I guess, you could put it in the 'remember' section. I want all my software to open in the screen, my mouse pointer is in. I do agree with you, that moving a window from one screen to the other is not a big deal, but that option would allow me to group the windows exactly the way I want. And all that in a very easy way. And there is another argument. ;) That option would allow me to switch of one screen, when I don't need it, without having some 'lost' windows all the time. I am not a developer and I don't know if such an option is easy to implement, but I would love that ... Thanks for reading Martin - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Windows key usage in enlightenment
On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 18:24:06 +0200 Manfred Lotz [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Hi there, I'm struggling using the windows keys under E17. I like to use the left windows key (between Ctrl and Alt on the left side of the space bar) and the right windows key (between the AltGr and Ctrl on the right side of the space bar) as two separate keys. I messed around with the .Xmodmap and got Super_L for the left windows key and Super_R for the right windows key. However both are not usable under E17. run xev - in the window press your left and right windows keys. in the key release events look at the state: value (possible 0x40 - it is for me). is the state the same when you press the left or right windows key? :) Actually I like to have combinations like: Super_L + e Super_R + t aso. How can I achieve this? -- Manfred - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] [E-devel] new project for e17
On Sun, 3 Jun 2007 23:56:18 -0400 Michael Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: EOL? :) On Sunday, 03 June 2007, at 22:18:27 (+0200), Morten Nilsen wrote: For simplicity, might I suggest you call it e3p, or maybe eras? Eppp might be confused with epp which is something else all together. Please be reasonable. eppp makes perfect sense; the only thing clearer might be e-ppp and that's arguable. e3p does not imply anything about PPP, and eras evokes erase long before anything about dial-up networking. Michele, eppp is a great name. Ignore the nonsense. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- If you think C++ is not overly complicated, just what is a 'protected abstract virtual base pure virtual private destructor,' and when was the last time you needed one? -- Tom Cargill, C++ Journal - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] [E-devel] web.e.org needs your help!
On Mon, 4 Jun 2007 15:44:47 +0530 Noorul Islam [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: some links in the wiki like to web.enlightenment.org instead of www.enlightenment.org - when i moved the news site to be live it stopped being web.enlightenment.org and became www.enlightenment.org fyi. here's a todo page if you know of anything else that needs to be done or things that need to be modified feel free to edit it. the todo page resides here... http://wiki.enlightenment.org/index.php/Web_todo I would like to know more about this requirement. Update wiki.enlightnement.org links to use www.e instead of web.e Can you please help me understand the requirement completely. Thanks Noorul - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] starting an application automatically with a certaim geometry
On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 10:35:51 +0200 Manfred Lotz [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: At Wed, 6 Jun 2007 22:04:21 + (GMT), Jonathan Charnas wrote: You can do so by saving the window preferences. Right click on your window - Remember Then select preferably window type, or window class for type of way to remember, then select what you want it to remember. After that, hit apply, ok, and try it out. Should work ok. -Goeland Yep, that works fine. Thanks a lot. What I don't like is that this configuration goes into some binary file and can only be done by mouse clicking (or am I wrong). I believe that it is a bad decision not to have text files containing config stuff. In other areas I at least have enlightenment_remote which makes many configure items scriptable. why? so you can hack the config - break its syntax, cause developers to have to write more and more code to adjust for human error? sure. there is no way to LIST everything that is remembered - but it works on the basis that you remember something and when you see its starting and don't want it remembered anymore - the window is right there for you to go to and say hey stop that. Do I have a way to configure this without mouse? yes. you started the apps with a mouse the first time - most likely, or key binding. just go select them to start on login etc. etc. and do it once - no different to having to bring up a text editor - learn some config format (even a standard format like xml you will need to learn all the tags used). what is so bad about just being able to click a please start this button? why is it people get so up tight about that? -- Manfred - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] evas compilation error
On Sat, 9 Jun 2007 22:51:31 +0900 Yasufumi Haga [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: cvs-wise - nothing has changed in terms x11 build/link flags in evas. cvs annotte shows all the configure.in sections with chanes in 2002/3/5 and 5 - nothing in 2006/7. even the Makefile.am for the software_x11 engine last was modified march 2006... :( Hi all I'm trying to compile evas which I checked out just now, but it's complaining that ld can't find -lX11 : gcc -shared .libs/evas_engine.o .libs/evas_outbuf.o .libs/evas_x_buffer.o .libs/evas_x_color.o .libs/evas_x_main.o -Wl,--rpath -Wl,/home/fumi/src/e17/e17/libs/evas/src/lib/.libs -L/home/fumi/src/e17/e17/libs/evas/src/lib/.libs -lX11 -lXext -lXrender ../../../../src/lib/.libs/libevas.so -L/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-vine-linux/3.3.6/../../../ -L/usr/local/lib -L/usr/lib -Wl,-soname -Wl,module.so -o .libs/module.so /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lX11 collect2: ld returned 1 exit status Regards. --Yasufumi - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] evas compilation error
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Re: [e-users] evas compilation error
On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 17:01:03 +0200 Kim Woelders [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
Yasufumi Haga wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 17:19:43 +0900
Yasufumi Haga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 13:11:25 +0900
| Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
|
| | On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 11:13:00 +0900 Yasufumi Haga
| | [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
| |
| | my guess is the AC_PATH_XTRA macros shipped with your distro don't
| | cover the locations x can be installed - like /usr/X11R6/... but your
| | distro puts them there. you could set CFLAGS and LDFLAGS to ass
| | -I/usr/X11R6/include and -L/usr/X11R6/lib to each. since you have
| | things installed in :non-standard places its often needed to do this.
| | since xorg's move to use /usr instead of /usr/X11R6 by default things
| | are getting less friendly to supporting /usr/X11R6 out of the box
| | without extra env vars.
|
| But I compiled imlib2 before compiling evas last night. configure.in of
| imlib2 has AC_PATH_XTRA, too: $ pwd
| /home/fumi/src/e17/e17/libs/imlib2
| $ grep -i AC_PATH_XTRA *
| configure.in: AC_PATH_XTRA
|
| and imlib2 was built normally. The config.log file created by autogen.sh
| of imlib2 has these lines: configure:20130: checking for X
| configure:20360: result: libraries /usr/X11R6/lib,
| headers /usr/X11R6/include
|
| I wonder if it didn't mean AC_PATH_XTRA functioned correctly.
| AC_PATH_XTRA seems to be used by Eterm and E16, too.
| If AC_PATH_XTRA really doesn't cover /usr/X11R6/lib, is it possible to
| build imlib2, Eterm, and E16 normally?
I added AC_MSG_WARN( $X_LIBS / $X_CFLAGS ) to configure.in
after AC_PATH_XTRA macro of each of evas, imlib2, and e16, and run those
autogen.sh files again at the same time to know what value the macro
returns. Here are what I modified in each configure.in:
1) evas :
if test x$have_evas_software_x11 = xyes; then
AC_PATH_XTRA
AC_MSG_WARN( $X_LIBS / $X_CFLAGS )
AC_CHECK_HEADER(X11/X.h,
[
AC_MSG_WARN( $X_LIBS / $X_CFLAGS )
AC_DEFINE(BUILD_ENGINE_SOFTWARE_X11, 1, [Software X11 Rendering
Backend]) x_dir=${x_dir:-/usr/X11R6}
x_cflags=${x_cflags:--I${x_includes:-$x_dir/include}}
x_libs=${x_libs:--L${x_libraries:-$x_dir/lib}} -lX11 -lXext
],
[
AC_MSG_RESULT(disabling software X11 engine)
have_evas_software_x11=no
]
)
fi
AM_CONDITIONAL(BUILD_ENGINE_SOFTWARE_X11, test x$have_evas_software_x11 =
xye s)
2) imlib2
if test x$have_x = xyes; then
AC_PATH_XTRA
AC_MSG_WARN( $X_LIBS / $X_CFLAGS )
x_dir=${x_dir:-/usr/X11R6}
x_cflags=${x_cflags:--I${x_includes:-$x_dir/include}}
x_libs=${x_libs:--L${x_libraries:-$x_dir/lib}} -lX11 -lXext
AM_CONDITIONAL(BUILD_X11, true)
3) e16
AC_PATH_X
AC_PATH_XTRA
AC_MSG_WARN( $X_LIBS / $X_CFLAGS )
AC_CHECK_HEADERS(alloca.h locale.h stdarg.h wctype.h)
And the results are:
1) evas
checking for IceConnectionNumber in -lICE... no
configure: WARNING: -LNONE / -INONE
checking for X11/X.h... (cached) yes
configure: WARNING: -LNONE / -INONE
checking whether software 16bit x11 backend is to be built... no
2) imlib2
checking for IceConnectionNumber in -lICE... yes
configure: WARNING: -L/usr/X11R6/lib / -I/usr/X11R6/include
checking for dlopen in -ldl... yes
3) e16
checking for IceConnectionNumber in -lICE... yes
configure: WARNING: -L/usr/X11R6/lib / -I/usr/X11R6/include
checking alloca.h usability... yes
According to the results above, it looks like somehow AC_PATH_XTRA macro
didn't work correctly in evas. I wonder why...
You could try moving AC_PATH_XTRA out to global scope, e.g. before the
first AC_CHECK_HEADER(X11/X.h,.
I think I have seen strangeness with some autoconf macros when placed
inside an if block.
could be - but same thing in imlib2 works fine? this is truly bizarre.
/Kim
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Re: [e-users] evas compilation error
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 16:03:29 +0900 Yasufumi Haga [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:
i also added an AC_PATH_X before XTRA and it seems to work... - cvs update and
see?
Hi all
I still don't know what really causes this problem, but as Kim-san told me,
at laset when I put the first AC_PATH_XTRA before the if clause, the macro
seems to return the correct value.
Here's the one I modified:
AC_PATH_XTRA
if test x$have_evas_software_ddraw = xyes; then
# AC_PATH_XTRA
AC_CHECK_HEADER(ddraw.h,
( snip )
AC_MSG_RESULT($have_evas_software_x11)
]
)
# AC_PATH_XTRA
if test x$have_evas_software_x11 = xyes; then
AC_PATH_XTRA
AC_MSG_WARN( $X_LIBS / $X_CFLAGS )
AC_CHECK_HEADER(X11/X.h,
[
AC_MSG_WARN( $X_LIBS / $X_CFLAGS )
AC_DEFINE(BUILD_ENGINE_SOFTWARE_X11, 1, [Software X11 Rendering
Backend]) x_dir=${x_dir:-/usr/X11R6}
And the result is:
checking X11/X.h presence... yes
checking for X11/X.h... yes
checking whether software x11 backend is to be built... yes
checking for gethostbyname... (cached) yes
checking for connect... (cached) yes
checking for remove... (cached) yes
checking for shmat... (cached) yes
checking for IceConnectionNumber in -lICE... (cached) yes
configure: WARNING: -L/usr/X11R6/lib -L/usr/X11R6/lib /
-I/usr/X11R6/in lude -I/usr/X11R6/include
checking for X11/X.h... (cached) yes
configure: WARNING: -L/usr/X11R6/lib -L/usr/X11R6/lib /
-I/usr/X11R6/in lude -I/usr/X11R6/include
checking whether software 16bit x11 backend is to be built... no
But I know this isn't a solution for this problem. As Raster-san told me, for
now, it seems to be the only workaround for this problem to use CFLAGS and
LDFLAGS to set the appropriate directories, or it may be necessary to
re-install autoxxx stuff.
Thanks for many helps.
Regards.
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Re: [e-users] Usability of EFL for scientific apps?
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 22:19:21 +0530 Sayash Kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: but a catch - none of EFL does 3d (opengl) - except an opengl backend fo revas. evas is strictly 2d. we are not doing 3d. (we have enough to do with our limited resources). there are plenty of 3d game engines and other 3d systems you can use if you want to do 3d. :) i was going through the efl docs, mainly the enlightenment design document and it mentioned how efl may not be the best choice for graphing applications (vector based drawing, etc...). i have an interest in developing visualizations for scientific applications, mainly interactive graphing, animated graphs with smooth transitions, using openGL for 3D display (think VMD http://www.ks.uiuc.edu/Research/vmd/ , rasmol) and plotting data. so in my opinion, efl makes sense when interfaces can be easily prepared (edje, ruby with edje) and kept separate with high speed C/C++ code at backend. but then again, i don't know much. so, what would be a good design decision here. thanks, sayash - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] enlightenment and powertop
On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 21:23:33 + (UTC) Alec [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: I've been using powertop to reduce the number of wakeups on my laptop, and currently enlightenment is top of the list at around 4 per second. AFIAK there aren't any patches floating around, but you can change polling intevals for modules and tweak the configs, closing all the windows etc. Yup, I only have the pager module enabled, no activity and no windows aside from the powertop xterm. I think the 3rd party net/wlan modules caused a lot more wakes than just 4... I'm not sure how low you can go, since I can't see less than 61 wakes from the radeon driver, but with e17 idle in xorg, I get 99% of the time in C3. True, the ipw2100 and the usb mouse cause ~4/sec each and prevent the kernel from reaching C3. With both of these gone and NoDRI for the radeon driver, I can get the kernel into C3 state most of the time with ~6-8 wakeups/sec. Of this, e17 is 4/sec, hence it would be nice to find the culprit and (if possible) remove it. if the mouse causes 4 interrupts/sec - this probably cause mouse events? thus x wakeups and then e wakeups to get the events. those 4 could be: 1. something polling - what, i don't know, but you will need to strace and/or debug and find out. as already pointed out some modules like to poll - but most of them its in the 1 per second or multiple seconds between polls (except cpufreq. 2. it could be the result of an x client changing a property etc etc. like a titlebar etc. see #1 - need to debug. 3. every 10 secs e pings x clients to see if they are alive if they say they do the netwm ping protocol, but if you have enough windows these pings won't happen at the same time so they will be spread out based on when the window came up. i share your desire to reduce this, though 4/sec is really minimal when you think about it :) Regards, Alec - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] enlightenment and powertop
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:50:20 +1200 Jochen Schroeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 21:23:33 + (UTC) Alec [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: I've been using powertop to reduce the number of wakeups on my laptop, and currently enlightenment is top of the list at around 4 per second. AFIAK there aren't any patches floating around, but you can change polling intevals for modules and tweak the configs, closing all the windows etc. Yup, I only have the pager module enabled, no activity and no windows aside from the powertop xterm. I think the 3rd party net/wlan modules caused a lot more wakes than just 4... I'm not sure how low you can go, since I can't see less than 61 wakes from the radeon driver, but with e17 idle in xorg, I get 99% of the time in C3. True, the ipw2100 and the usb mouse cause ~4/sec each and prevent the kernel from reaching C3. With both of these gone and NoDRI for the radeon driver, I can get the kernel into C3 state most of the time with ~6-8 wakeups/sec. Of this, e17 is 4/sec, hence it would be nice to find the culprit and (if possible) remove it. if the mouse causes 4 interrupts/sec - this probably cause mouse events? thus x wakeups and then e wakeups to get the events. those 4 could be: 1. something polling - what, i don't know, but you will need to strace and/or debug and find out. as already pointed out some modules like to poll - but most of them its in the 1 per second or multiple seconds between polls (except cpufreq. 2. it could be the result of an x client changing a property etc etc. like a titlebar etc. see #1 - need to debug. 3. every 10 secs e pings x clients to see if they are alive if they say they do the netwm ping protocol, but if you have enough windows these pings won't happen at the same time so they will be spread out based on when the window came up. Would it make sense to just have e ping all windows at the same time. yes. :) This would mean that a new window might not get pinged for almost 20s, actually up to 10 secs. if you ping every window that needs pinging every ping cycle. but is that so bad. I think as soon as one has a large amount of windows open (which I have all the time, hell why not use all those virtual desktops :)) this method would be better even if the polling was reduced to 5s. I don't know how feasible this is and I know you have a lot more important things on your plate it's just an idea. it is feasible - just needs doing. :) it's not that hard actually. i share your desire to reduce this, though 4/sec is really minimal when you think about it :) I agree. Sony disables the hpet timer in bios and don't put an option in to enable it. I have ~ 100 wakeups/s just caused by the kernel because of this. hahahaha - poor bugger. so e is the least of your problems then :( rant The Sony bios really sucks. They have a bloody option to enable/disable a bios splash screen, but both hpet and virualization support are disabled and no way of enabling them. This is on an vaio sz, so their business line laptops. /rant Jochen - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] enlightenment and powertop
On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 23:05:45 + (UTC) Alec [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: if the mouse causes 4 interrupts/sec - this probably cause mouse events? thus x wakeups and then e wakeups to get the events. Nope, the 4/sec are just the usb hcd polling. When I move the mouse, or use the trackpoint, then I get a ton of wakeups. Also, the X wakeups are usually around 1/sec in idle, which implies that it's not pass-through X-events that are triggering it. aaah. 1. something polling - what, i don't know, but you will need to strace and/or debug and find out. Yeah, I started to use strace and there were a bunch of select() which probably are the cause. There was some mention of a similar problem with WindowMaker, so I'll look into that patch to see what was done to eliminate those wakeups. well really - the wakeups are either input on an fd (eg from x or a socket etc.) OR its a timer. you simply need to find out what the timers are that are ticking off - once you know this - you know what to look for. :) i share your desire to reduce this, though 4/sec is really minimal when you think about it :) It remains to be determined if it makes any real difference, but so far powertop has been pretty effective at reducing the power consumption of my thinkpad, so we'll see... sure. at this stage i'd consider this low priority or even an e18 thing, but if you find out what it is - do tell. Alec - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] enlightenment and powertop
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 02:08:12 -0500 Nathan Ingersoll [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On 6/19/07, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. something polling - what, i don't know, but you will need to strace and/or debug and find out. as already pointed out some modules like to poll - but most of them its in the 1 per second or multiple seconds between polls (except cpufreq. Which reminds me... glib recently added lower precision timers so that they can reduce their wake-ups by grouping their sleep timeouts together better. Do the current ecore timer's do this effectively enough or should we be considering this type of API? so have fuzzy timers i.e - tick off timer in X seconds give or take Y (so ecore will try batch them if it can). possibly usefl. If four modules get initialized at slightly different times and have 1 second timeouts, it seems like you could easily end up with four wakeups per second. i think that fixing this by providing a shared universal poll timer would be the way to go. modules simple choose how many poll timeouts to skip before polling again - so something like e_polltimer_add(1, _my_func, data); will be called every timer e_polltimer_add(4, _my_func, data); will be called every 4th poll timer interval intervals MUST be a power of 2 (1, 2, 4, 8, 16 etc.) so that they are always in sync so all the 2's tick off together or all the 8's. the polltimer code will literally set up longer timer during the shared gaps. i.e. 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 4 4 so if the 1 interval timer goes away the poll interval basically doubles to 2 (and if the 2 timer also goes away then its every 4 intervals which might be 1 second for example). Nathan -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] enlightenment and powertop
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 09:56:11 -0500 Nathan Ingersoll [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On 6/20/07, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so have fuzzy timers i.e - tick off timer in X seconds give or take Y (so ecore will try batch them if it can). possibly usefl. Basically, yes, but in glib's case they are just timers that accept seconds instead of smaller units. So you can have a repeating timer that triggers every second at most. These are then grouped like you mentioned for the polltimer. If four modules get initialized at slightly different times and have 1 second timeouts, it seems like you could easily end up with four wakeups per second. i think that fixing this by providing a shared universal poll timer would be the way to go. modules simple choose how many poll timeouts to skip before polling again - so something like e_polltimer_add(1, _my_func, data); will be called every timer e_polltimer_add(4, _my_func, data); will be called every 4th poll timer interval intervals MUST be a power of 2 (1, 2, 4, 8, 16 etc.) so that they are always in sync so all the 2's tick off together or all the 8's. the polltimer code will literally set up longer timer during the shared gaps. i.e. 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 4 4 so if the 1 interval timer goes away the poll interval basically doubles to 2 (and if the 2 timer also goes away then its every 4 intervals which might be 1 second for example). This seems reasonable as well, but it would be nice to see it in ecore instead of E itself. sure. if you think it will be generally useful - having ecore_timers WITH a error range is kind of useful - but a polltimer could be a perfect soln - and really efficient. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Problem compiling e17
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:52:16 +0200 Damian Lux [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: my bad. my asparagus broke. fixed. get snaps that were missing. Hi there! I've tried to compile the newest e17 from snapshot (2007-06-17). Everything went ok. Only the compiling the enlightement failed. I get the error-message: undefined reference to `efreet_desktop_new' a few times. Is this a new problem? I've never seen this error-message before. The compiling from the directory 2007-05-06 went smoothly. Regards Damian - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Missing asparagus
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 20:23:55 +0100 Oliver Burnett-Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Tarballs of the latest snapshots of ecore, eet, efreet and evas aren't available on the new http://download.enlightenment.org pages. Could these please be added, or is there anywhere else I can get them from? oops. thats bad. seems my asparagus broke in the middle. fixed. Cheers, - olly - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] turn off Bling?
On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:08:09 -0600 Dan Kronstal [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: entrance has nothing to do with bling. it's for e17. bling wont be touched, looked at loaded or run until e17 starts. you have some other problem on your hands. somethng much deeper - like some shared lib that e apps use (evas, edje, ecore, eet, or something) has been screwed maybe? Hello everyone. I have e17 installed from Debian packages onto an Etch netinst. Things were grand, and I was all hot to get this ITask NG thing installed which needed the Bling module to be enabled. I've enabled Bling, and it worked great, until I rebooted. Entrance now begins to start, but locks up in a looping cycle of flashing a gray background at me for less than half a second, then the screen goes dead for a couple seconds, then it flashes again. In the gray screen I can see the cursor ' X ' , but it is unresponsive. The keyboard is also unresponsive (I can't switch to a different shell and try to kill Entrance) and I must reboot. I can boot into single-user mode, and have tried to uninstall the Bling module to see if that helps, but the dependancy chain is complicated and wants me to uninstall the e17 virtual packages as well, leaving me unEnlightened. I cannot start enlightenment manually (using #startx /usr/bin/enlightenment_start) as it segfaults immediately, presenting me with the This is very bad... message, and cannot Recover. Is there a way to disable this module, or prevent it from being loaded? I've tried clearing the .cfg files in my user folder, but that has not been effective. Even better, is there a way to convince Bling to not crash? The bit of it that I saw was nice and shiney, and I'd like to keep it :D Thanks! Dan - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] eye-candy (fonts,...)
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 10:57:33 +0200 Manuel Werlberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: evas does not support sub-pixel lcd smoothing (personally i find it horribly ugly as it gives text a wavy coloured outline and it's also a non-display-system portable hack that simply cheats based on an assumption of how your lcd works - when you have a different display tech this will all fall apart. also it is slower to draw (by a reasonable margin) than regular AA text. so the simple answer: no. if you really want to - you can send patches :) but i have no intention of adding that to evas's font rendering engine myself (for the above reasons). :) Hi! I just reinstalled my laptop with KUbuntu (because i like some of the K-apps and Ubuntu -- but thats a different story). Fact is that when i am running KDE with subpixel rendering and all the stuff turned on the fonts (and also the application headers and so on) look much better than in e17. I just want to keep using E because i love it and think it is way the best WM. But still i want it to look great with smoothed fonts and i do not want to set all the fonts within all programs and so on. Is there a possibility to use subpixel rendering for E17. For GTK apps it is ok with creating a .gtkrc but still i am not absolutely happy with other programs. Of course i can set every single app to Bitstream fonts but i do not want to do this :-). Du you have the same problems or do you simply do not care about that. Especially the fonts are a big problem for me. Because i have a rather small 12,1 display and like small and smooth fonts and hate it when the menu-bar of an app needs way to much space and there is not enough left for me to work... Thx for any hints and tips how you deal with those stuff Regards, Manuel - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] eye-candy (fonts,...)
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 19:26:36 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 10:57:33 +0200 Manuel Werlberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: evas does not support sub-pixel lcd smoothing (personally i find it horribly ugly as it gives text a wavy coloured outline and it's also a non-display-system portable hack that simply cheats based on an assumption of how your lcd works - when you have a different display tech this will all fall apart. also it is slower to draw (by a reasonable margin) than regular AA text. so the simple answer: no. if you really want to - you can send patches :) but i have no intention of adding that to evas's font rendering engine myself (for the above reasons). :) nb - my answer was for e17 itself and efl stuff - gtk or gnome apps is... another story - see manuel's mail :) Hi! I just reinstalled my laptop with KUbuntu (because i like some of the K-apps and Ubuntu -- but thats a different story). Fact is that when i am running KDE with subpixel rendering and all the stuff turned on the fonts (and also the application headers and so on) look much better than in e17. I just want to keep using E because i love it and think it is way the best WM. But still i want it to look great with smoothed fonts and i do not want to set all the fonts within all programs and so on. Is there a possibility to use subpixel rendering for E17. For GTK apps it is ok with creating a .gtkrc but still i am not absolutely happy with other programs. Of course i can set every single app to Bitstream fonts but i do not want to do this :-). Du you have the same problems or do you simply do not care about that. Especially the fonts are a big problem for me. Because i have a rather small 12,1 display and like small and smooth fonts and hate it when the menu-bar of an app needs way to much space and there is not enough left for me to work... Thx for any hints and tips how you deal with those stuff Regards, Manuel - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] eye-candy (fonts,...)
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 15:25:18 +0200 Hannes Janetzek [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: have you tried 'automatic hinting' (in the advanced fonts dialog)? this looks much better on my high-dpi lcd. it seems qt uses a different font rendering library. the fonts look a bit more bold. so i guess they dont use freetype some distributions do not compile freetype to be able to do bytecode hinting. evas by default tries to use bytecode hinting. if freetype does not have this enabled your fonts will look nasty and blurry. automatic hinting is next best in terms of rendering - then none (which is what you get in the above situation). this really isn't e or evas's fault - it's a problem with patents on bytecode hinting, apple and the fact that many distributions simply don't ship correct headers fro freetype2 AND that you can't query runtime what hinting it can do. Regards, Hannes Am Mon, 9 Jul 2007 10:57:33 +0200 schrieb Manuel Werlberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi! I just reinstalled my laptop with KUbuntu (because i like some of the K-apps and Ubuntu -- but thats a different story). Fact is that when i am running KDE with subpixel rendering and all the stuff turned on the fonts (and also the application headers and so on) look much better than in e17. I just want to keep using E because i love it and think it is way the best WM. But still i want it to look great with smoothed fonts and i do not want to set all the fonts within all programs and so on. Is there a possibility to use subpixel rendering for E17. For GTK apps it is ok with creating a .gtkrc but still i am not absolutely happy with other programs. Of course i can set every single app to Bitstream fonts but i do not want to do this :-). Du you have the same problems or do you simply do not care about that. Especially the fonts are a big problem for me. Because i have a rather small 12,1 display and like small and smooth fonts and hate it when the menu-bar of an app needs way to much space and there is not enough left for me to work... Thx for any hints and tips how you deal with those stuff Regards, Manuel - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] libecore0-dbus has broken dependencies on edevelop.org/debian
On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 10:39:31 -0300 Krishnamurti L. L. V. Nunes [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: nothing in rules specifies that. contact the package/repository maintainer for issues with packages as they build them. Hello, I supose some E17 developers read messages sent do this list. There is a simple bug I'd like to report concerning to the Debian packeges in http://edevelop.org/debian The packages which depend on libecore0-dbus cannot be installed on debian because it has broken dependencies: libecore0-dbus: Depends on: libecore0 (=0.9.9.039-0cvs20070705) but 0.9.9.040-0cvs20070718 will be installed I thik it can be solved by editing debian/rules and rebuilding the package. Keep doig this great job on Enlightenment! -- Krishna - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Failed to open file in filemanager with apostroph in name
On Sat, 26 May 2007 17:48:56 +0400 ptomaine [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: what does mplayer's .desktop file look like? e escapes the filenames it passes in. if the cmd-line for mplayer changed from mplayer %f or mplayer (where it assumes you just add the filename after the command) to mplayer '%f' then that'd explain it. that'd be a bad .desktop file as e is doing the right thing by escaping to make sure any filename works. the last command there will fail if the filename has a ' in it too. Hello. Ordinarily, internal filemanager in E17 opens video files in mplayer when i double click them. But if filename contains an apostroph, it fails with the following message: Error Information: An exit code of 2 was returned from mplayer '/home/ptomaine/.dc++/Downloads/7/Friends - 7x20 - TOW Rachel\'s Big Kiss.avi'. Output Data: There was no output Error Logs: /bin/bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' /bin/bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file And for the other file Error Information: An exit code of 2 was returned from mplayer '/home/ptomaine/.dc++/Downloads/7/Friends - 7x19 - TOW Ross and Monica\'s Cousin.avi'. Output Data: There was no output Error Logs: /bin/bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' /bin/bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file Another files are opening ok. I assume this is a bug. ptomaine// - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Favorite Application Menu
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 01:47:32 -0600 Michael Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: transient issues and will be worked on (for exebuf). as for menu - you can to sub-menus - just need to write up a custom .menu xml goop ball that has them :) I'm curious... is there any way to get the new application menu handling (the favorites.menu XML file) to behave as the old (folder) method did? Since I had my favorite menu structure set up long before e was able to handle .desktop files, I am quite used to being able to right click on the desktop and select from my top used apps, or select a folder and select a lesser used app from that same menu. But with the new structure, I don't see any way of splitting this up into folders... not to mention that most of the apps don't show up as an option when I type the first few characters in a run box. TIA Michael - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Not working .desktop application
On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 07:58:57 +0200 Andreas Volz [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: not sure - my startup dir stopped working a bit ago but i haven't checked into why. Hi, I try to start the gnome-settings-daemon at E17 startup. So I created a gnome-settings-daemon.desktop in /home/andreas/.e/e/applications/all with this content: [Desktop Entry] Encoding=UTF-8 Name=Gnome Settings Daeom Comment= Exec=/usr/libexec/gnome-settings-daemon Icon= Terminal=0 Type=Application Categories=Graphics;Application Then a .order file in /home/andreas/.e/e/applications/startup with this content: gnome-settings-daemon.desktop But it doesn't start at startup time. I tried other applications and they work well. The gnome-settings-daemon works also well if I exec it from command line. So why doesn't it work as expected? regards Andreas - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Segfault with edje_cc
On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 07:02:20 -0400 Zachary Goldberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: So I noticed that edje_cc was seg faulting when compiling rage a few days back, and now im seeing it do the same thing with enna. It includes all the images and when its finishing it seg faults and the program compile fails. I ran a GDB on edje_cc default.edc (in rage/data) and obtained the following: (I did a full fresh compile from source yesterday) some list pointer is not being initialised i suspect. the question is... what list pointer where? i can't reproduce your problem here :( edje_cc: Wrote 24601 bytes ( 24Kb) for images/27 image entry genre.png compress: [raw: 90.6%] [real: 6.5%] make[2]: *** [default.edj] Segmentation fault make[2]: *** Deleting file `default.edj' Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. [Switching to Thread -1214908752 (LWP 8200)] evas_list_data (list=0x3) at evas_list.c:696 696return list-data; (gdb) bt #0 evas_list_data (list=0x3) at evas_list.c:696 #1 0xb7aeba73 in eet_data_descriptor_encode (edd=0x805e750, #data_in=0x806ccd8, size_ret=0xbfb299d8) at eet_data.c:1374 #2 0xb7aeba89 in eet_data_descriptor_encode (edd=0x805e9b0, #data_in=0x806cc50, size_ret=0xbfb29a18) at eet_data.c:1374 #3 0xb7aec355 in eet_data_write (ef=0x806cf00, edd=0x805e9b0, name=0xbfb2bb18 collections/0, data=0x806cc50, compress=1) at eet_data.c:863 #4 0x0804bcbb in data_write () at edje_cc_out.c:559 #5 0x0804a3b5 in main (argc=2, argv=0xbfb2edc4) at edje_cc.c:187 -- Zachary Goldberg Computer Science Major School of Engineering at the University of Pennsylvania Philadelphia PA - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Not working .desktop application
On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 09:13:01 +0200 Andreas Volz [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Am Sat, 21 Jul 2007 13:47:51 +0900 schrieb Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman): On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 07:58:57 +0200 Andreas Volz [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: not sure - my startup dir stopped working a bit ago but i haven't checked into why. I changed the problem temporary by using gtk2-theme-switch instead of gnome-settings-manager. Perhaps some gnome apps have problems now, but I didn't notice it. The app dir has at least another problem. I wasn't able to create a working .desktop with nautilus --browser. It does simply not apear. I'll do an update the next days. Perhaps this problem got fixed. BTW: I know currently we use .desktop instead of edj files for the menu. But it should be possible to add an edj, as it has very nice animations. It doesn't work if I write it into .order and doesn't work if I set it as .desktop icon. So how could I do this? you can use a .edj as the icon for the .desktop - the old .eap file edj format (the icon group) still works as an icon. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Message in terminals
On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 06:08:28 +0200 drake dalfa [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: your terminals are setuid root most likely. setuid root processes cannot use ld_preload. interestingly LD_PRELOAD seems to get un-set for me by the time e execs a shell for a process - not for you it seems. you can disable the LD_PRELOAD precache with -no-precache for enlightenment_start When i execute a terminal like, konsole, xterm or tilda appears this message: ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/lib/enlightenment/preload/e_precache.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. whats that means? how can i fix it? - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] About enlightenment executable
On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:49:16 +0200 tony oliveri [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Hi to all, Just a little curiosity, 'cause i haven't tested it yet. What's about (funny??) usage of enlightenment exec? E.g. if i type enlightenment --help, i'll see something like: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:32:36]-[0] $ enlightenment --help ESTART: 0.1 [0.1] - begin ESTART: 0.00018 [0.00017] - signals done ESTART: 0.00045 [0.00027] - determine prefix DYNAMIC DETERMINED PREFIX: /opt/e17 ESTART: 0.00119 [0.00075] - prefix done ESTART: 0.00130 [0.00011] - intl init ESTART: 0.00140 [0.00010] - parse args Options: -display DISPLAY Connect to display named DISPLAY. EG: -display :1.0 -fake-xinerama-screen WxH+X+Y Add a FAKE xinerama screen (instead of the real ones) given the geometry. Add as many as you like. They all replace the real xinerama screens, if any. This can be used to simulate xinerama. EG: -fake-xinerama-screen 800x600+0+0 -fake-xinerama-screen 800x600+800+0 -profile CONF_PROFILE Use the configuration profile CONF_PROFILE instead of the user selected default or just default. -good Be good. -evil Be evil. -psychotic Be psychotic. What happen if i pass one of last three arguments to the exec? Or better, what's the difference between good, evil and psychotic? :-) Thanks. Tony that's a secret! :-P -- .::. In Code We Trust .::. .::. Linux User #373781 .::. Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] About the white window of death
On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 22:55:41 +0200 DraKeDalfa [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Some time i was doing something and apears the white window of death, it has two options f1 restart or f2 exit, i just wanna suggest that the f1 option will be atomatic, i mean if in two or n seconds no button is pressed then the f1 restart option will be selected automatically. we would not like that - mainly because it makes it a lot harder to debug (attach gdb once e has segv'd). -- http://usuarios.lycos.es/dalfa http://drakedalfa.blogspot.com Si nos tomamos el tiempo de leer largas man-pages y detallados howtos, _porque no tomarnos el tiempo de leer la Biblia y ser verdaderamente libres? no solo en nuestra pcs sino tambi_n de toda condenaci_n. - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] new modules in e17
On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:34:40 -0300 Wido [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Hi to all. Yesterday I updated my E17 via CVS, deleted my .e folder and started from a fresh instalation. Then update the e_modules, compiled and installed the ones that i like, but when started con load and configure them, I realized that some features (like mouse configuration, borders, etc) now are modules , is that correct? I've reacently added myself to the mailing list (so didn't read anything in cvs mail list), but there's nothing in E's main page. Is there a place where I can read new features form version to version? I mean, features that users can see yes - they have become modules. i intend to have all config dialogs become modules - except the modules config dialog. :) the point is to 1. allow people to only load what they need or want - config included, and 2. allow it to be replaced or improved or customised by others without having to patch e's src. greets to all! -- Wido - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] flipping desktops
On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 21:56:34 -0300 Wido [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Hello e-world! I've updated to latest cvs version and realized that flipping desktop effect it's being very slow, losing frames. I have a decent pc and never have problems with this until now. Can this be a bug? possibly - this is new. i don't know what the slow down might be though. would need to benchmark and profile. greets to all! -- Wido - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] flipping desktops
On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:23:49 -0300 Wido [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Hi! I was playing some , and i realised that this delay happens because both dropshadow and bling were enabled. when unloaded dropshadow, it begun to work better also try just dropshadow and no bling - it should be better too. dropshadow and bling do not go well together. On 7/24/07, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 21:56:34 -0300 Wido [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Hello e-world! I've updated to latest cvs version and realized that flipping desktop effect it's being very slow, losing frames. I have a decent pc and never have problems with this until now. Can this be a bug? possibly - this is new. i don't know what the slow down might be though. would need to benchmark and profile. greets to all! -- Wido - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) -- Wido - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Not working .desktop application
On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 10:48:25 +0200 Andreas Volz [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Am Sat, 21 Jul 2007 16:20:50 +0900 schrieb Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman): BTW: I know currently we use .desktop instead of edj files for the menu. But it should be possible to add an edj, as it has very nice animations. It doesn't work if I write it into .order and doesn't work if I set it as .desktop icon. So how could I do this? you can use a .edj as the icon for the .desktop - the old .eap file edj format (the icon group) still works as an icon. Ok, I tried it. It works here, but not really good. I created a .desktop in /home/andreas/.e/e/applications/all and copied the edj file into the same place. Then I noticed that I need to change the .desktop file in /usr/share/applications. Where does E search my .desktop and .edj icons in my home directory? I wasn't able to create some user defined files. So where should I copy my .desktop files? e will search for icons in ~/.icons also ~/.local/share/icons and .desktop files in ~/.local/share/applications -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Does E DR17 have a think like KDE's kdesktop?
On Mon, 6 Aug 2007 11:54:43 -0500 Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Greetings. I stop in and try out Enlightenment every year or so. I always think happily of the E DR13. It is the program that made me want to use Linux in the first place. My favorite part was the pager--small old-fashioned televisions showing desktops, with spotlights that pointed at the active desktop. There has never been another program that represented such originality. I'm wondering if there is a background manager in E now that will make it easier to use edje objects. In the KDE desktop, there's a desktop in e17 wallpapers ARE edje objects. the desktop is a window (overlayed over root) by e. you don't see the root window in e17. e17 itself controls your desktop bg with an iron fist :) it's part of the wm and under the wm's control. desktop icons are there now as part of the filemanager code in e17. any module in e17 can extend the wm and as a result - can find where e keeps its desktop canvases (look into the managers then the containers in each mnager - and each container has zones). modules are just code and can create any objects they like, from anywhere and do anything. manager called kdesktop wallpaper and you can set it to run slideshows on collections of directories--it randomly shows jpg files at intervals you specify.The last time I tried E, I could not find a brain-free way to do that, and had to write some code to talk to the E environment. Even then, the small jpg files got turned into huge uncompressed edje files that filled up my home directory. edje files are compressed. they also STORE the image in the file so you include a wallpaper -t he image itself gets inlined (there are various compression schemes from RAW (no compression) to COMP (zlib - no loss in quality) and LOSSY (jpeg compression - inlined into the .edj). the .edj is stand-alone and independent - it does not require any files outside - not the original wallpaper or anything. that's why its big - you can email your .edj to a friend - and it will work. out of the box. nothing left to do. it IS possible to have a .edj refer to an image externally - if you really want, but now you can easily break the wallpaper by moving/deleting the original image and you can't just send your designs to your friends as the .edj depends on another file in a particular path in your filesystem. the encoding scheme for these is USER (as opposed to COMP, RAW and LOSSY). not with LOSSY you also provide a quality parameter - this determines how much compression you get. e17's wallpaper import dialog lets you choose this - so it is up to you how big these things should be. the choices are there. as for a slideshow - this could be done by a fairly simple module. yes. it needs code. the main point for us here in development is that we have all the hooks there needed to make this possible. we can't go write some module/feature for every single thing someone may want. we cater for the most desired, necessary and important ones. we need to focus on these and the core - and get that right. all the 11 features people want - we can worry about later or others can fill in the gaps already via modules. -- Paul E. Johnson Professor, Political Science 1541 Lilac Lane, Room 504 University of Kansas - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] how to create the edj files using existing image
On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 12:19:31 -0500 Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: In the graphical interface for the background, I noticed the option to use an existing image. I notice a wonderful effect in my backgrounds directory--the first two edj files are not massive! The last two are the usual big ones. -rw-rw-r-- 1 pauljohn pauljohn1450 2007-08-06 12:34 Sea.edj -rw-rw-r-- 1 pauljohn pauljohn1470 2007-08-06 12:40 Mtn.edj -rw-rw-r-- 1 pauljohn pauljohn 1652111 2007-08-07 00:20 Ocean.edj -rw-rw-r-- 1 pauljohn pauljohn 317395 2007-08-06 13:23 City.edj Can somebody please tell me a scriptable way to create these smaller edj files? The only way I know now to create edj files is e17setroot, and it always makes the huge ones. If I could create the edj files, then I could run a script to randomly change backgrounds in E17 see my other mail - the image encoding is USER instead of COMP, LOSSY etc. check the .edc. nb - i just fixed edje_decc to properly ignore USER provided images when decompiling - so it should work now. pj -- Paul E. Johnson Professor, Political Science 1541 Lilac Lane, Room 504 University of Kansas - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] strange but nice bling bug
On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 01:01:55 -0300 Wido [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Hi there you all. The other day somehow bling make than a shelf (only one of three i have) became translucense, it was a nice effect but i lost it when restart E. Is there a way to make shelf translucent with bling? well enable composite support in e17, use bling and use a theme that has a semi-transparent theme for the shelf (or make your own). btw: i'm using E 0.40 from cvs with cthulhain theme, and the shelf only contained ibar and has cthulhain's theme too thanks to all!!! -- Wido - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Using xinerama, dr17, right click menus
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:20:59 +0100 Lucas van Staden [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Ross Vandegrift wrote: On Mon, Aug 13, 2007 at 11:06:39AM +0100, Lucas van Staden wrote: ANy help would be appreciated, and this is a xinerama issue, please do tell, and I will find their list and post the question. I have seen this, where menus will load on the wrong head. Have you restarted E? I've never had the problem persist over a restart, and it's only ever started for me in the middle of a session, and then, not in the last few months. Ross Hi, Restart does not help. It's like that from boot. Been like that since I move screen to right-of-main. Was ok when I had screen left-of-main. these are e menus? ie menus y get when alt+right click on app window or click on icon in titlebar or right click titlebar? Lucas - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Does E DR17 have a think like KDE's kdesktop?
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:23:04 -0500 Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:
On 8/11/07, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 6 Aug 2007 11:54:43 -0500 Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:
Greetings.
I stop in and try out Enlightenment every year or so. I always think
happily of the E DR13. It is the program that made me want to use
Linux in the first place. My favorite part was the pager--small
old-fashioned televisions showing desktops, with spotlights that
pointed at the active desktop. There has never been another program
that represented such originality.
I'm wondering if there is a background manager in E now that will make
it easier to use edje objects. In the KDE desktop, there's a desktop
in e17 wallpapers ARE edje objects. the desktop is a window (overlayed over
root) by e. you don't see the root window in e17. e17 itself controls your
desktop bg with an iron fist :) it's part of the wm and under the wm's
control. desktop icons are there now as part of the filemanager code in
e17. any module in e17 can extend the wm and as a result - can find where e
keeps its desktop canvases (look into the managers then the containers in
each mnager - and each container has zones). modules are just code and can
create any objects they like, from anywhere and do anything.
manager called kdesktop wallpaper and you can set it to run slideshows
on collections of directories--it randomly shows jpg files at
intervals you specify.The last time I tried E, I could not find a
brain-free way to do that, and had to write some code to talk to the E
environment. Even then, the small jpg files got turned into huge
uncompressed edje files that filled up my home directory.
edje files are compressed. they also STORE the image in the file so you
include a wallpaper -t he image itself gets inlined (there are various
compression schemes from RAW (no compression) to COMP (zlib - no loss in
quality) and LOSSY (jpeg compression - inlined into the .edj). the .edj is
stand-alone and independent - it does not require any files outside - not
the original wallpaper or anything. that's why its big - you can email
your .edj to a friend - and it will work. out of the box. nothing left to
do.
When all is said and done, I think I'm trying to revise edje_cc to
allow a USER command line option. I have been reading your code in
CVS and experimenting with things.
I felt pretty enthusiastic about your comment last month that E might
work on a Nokia N800 tablet. I just got one of those and it is a bit
ugly in the interface.
I want the extrenal random backgrounds because I have about 12,000
jpg background images sitting in a directory structure. It is too
tedious to go pointing and clicking through them with the wallpaper
tool to create the edj files. I don't mind the risk of breaking an edj
file by removing a wallpaper. (It could be the E wallpaper config
thing needs a way to throw away badly formatted edj files.) )
Here is the place where I am stuck. It seems to me there is a
mismatch between the edj files created by edje_cc and the ones created
by the Wallpaper config tool. To the best of my understanding, the
Engrave file controls what edje_cc does, but these files are a bit
tricky to write. But I need to understand what will work before I go
too much further. Here is the example config file--I created it from
edje_decc and then edited. I put in the full path to the image,
otherwise edje_cc wouldn't work, and changed COMP to USER. (Can't use
edje_decc on edj files that have image as external reference--it
fails).
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Re: [e-users] Using xinerama, dr17, right click menus
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 10:24:59 +0100 Lucas van Staden [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Hi, I loaded FVWM and Sawfish. works 100%, context menus appear where they should. Looks like it is just happening in dr17 Still hunting google for an answer well faking xinerama here with zone 0 (primary zone) on the right with: enlightenment -fake-xinerama-screen 648x480+640+0 -fake-xinerama-screen 640x480 +0+0 running in xnest (1280x480) and all menus of apps behave correctly. primary screen is on the right above, secondary on the left. these are the normal app menus on the menubar. gkt and qt apps both work. Lucas On Mon, 2007-08-13 at 21:02 +1000, Russell Davie wrote: On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:06:39 +0100 Lucas van Staden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am not sure if this is an issue/configuration with E, or a xinerama issue. I use a dual screen (obviously as I am using xinerama), with my second screen to the right of my main screen. If I right click on any application (not on the e-desktop), then the right click menu of the application appears on the main screen, 'attached' to the right hand border. Very frustrating, as I gotta move my mouse all the way accross to the main screen to use the right-click menu. Anyone else had this problem, and possibly fixed it. Some system info: Gentoo, with modular xorg 7, dr17 from cvs build about a week ago. ANy help would be appreciated, and this is a xinerama issue, please do tell, and I will find their list and post the question. Regards Lucas Hi I use Xinerama in E17 and its fine and does all the right things. Test to see if Xinerama does the same mouse wierdness in another window manager. Xinerama should work fine in other wm's as it does in my laptop. So far I have found xinerama works as advertised in icewm, wmaker, e16, kde, except metacity, which is no great loss as E17 is far superior. (thanks E17 devs!) Check out what settings are required for xinerama for the machine's video card. Its likely the solution is in the xorg.conf for the video card. cheers Russell - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users __ Success seems to be connected with action. Successful people keep moving. They make mistakes, but they don't quit. Conrad Hilton -- \ \ (`-' '-/) .___..--' ' `-._ ` *_ * )`-. ( ) .`-.__. `) (_Y_.) ' ._ ) `._` ; `` -. .-' _.. `--'_..-_/ /--' _ .' ,4 ( i l ),-'' ( l i),' ( ( ! .-' - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Using xinerama, dr17, right click menus
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Re: [e-users] Using xinerama, dr17, right click menus
__ Success seems to be connected with action. Successful people keep moving. They make mistakes, but they don't quit. Conrad Hilton -- \ \ (`-' '-/) .___..--' ' `-._ ` *_ * )`-. ( ) .`-.__. `) (_Y_.) ' ._ ) `._` ; `` -. .-' _.. `--'_..-_/ /--' _ .' ,4 ( i l ),-'' ( l i),' ( ( ! .-' - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] [Debian Sid] Reboot and shutdown buttons ?
On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:04:50 +0200 giggz [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: [snip] Hi, I have installed the acpi-support package, but nothing more... but I have test e17 under root session through GDM. And under root I have my applications menu (!?!) and the halt/reboot buttons. When I compare the two .xsession-errors the only diffrences are : These 4 lines in the user .xsession-errors : ERROR: UNABLE TO ASSUME ROOT PRIVILEDGES ERROR: UNABLE TO ASSUME ROOT PRIVILEDGES ERROR: UNABLE TO ASSUME ROOT PRIVILEDGES ERROR: UNABLE TO ASSUME ROOT PRIVILEDGES you problem is that that enlightenment_sys is NOT setuid root. something has been broken in the debian packages. the source build for e17 sets this to be setuid root (that means when this executable runs it runs AS ROOT). example: [ 11:37PM /usr/local/bin ] ls -l enlightenment_sys 20K -r-sr-xr-x 1 root root 19K 2007-08-20 08:05 enlightenment_sys* see - it's got the sticky bit set (s) - that means its setuid to the owner of the file (root in this case). i bet you whatever enlightenment_sys you have installed it's not setuid root - thus it doesn't work. beyond that - sysactions.conf is the config that defines commands to run (as root) for given actions like reboot halt, suspend etc. and who is allowed to run them. this config is intended for packagers and sysadmins to alter to define what users can do these things, and what commands these actions map to. on ubuntu the default config will allow any normal user who has a reasonable set of privileges (as if they were an owner of the box) to halt, reboot, suspend and hibernate - and the commands given in the default config will work out of the box on ubuntu. your distribution may or may not work - it is up to the sys admin and/or packager to fix this so it works - if they want it to. In the root .xsession-errors I see something strange : ERROR: UNDEFINED ACTION: suspend ERROR: UNDEFINED ACTION: hibernate but these two actions are not defined and used in my /etc/enlightenment/sysactions.conf (I attach it at the end) enlightenment itself looks for these actions. if it can't find them defined or doesn't have permission to do them - it doesn't add them to the menu. this is normal if you removed these actions from sysactions.conf So I think it's a right problem, but where can I take a look : sudo /sbin/shutdown -h now sudo /sbin/shutdown -r now work fine under a user session And Why can I have an application menu under root and not under my user ? Are the paths different ? debian doesn't set up xdg menus correctly for users - they dont export any environment variables to indicate which prefix the system menus should use, thus efreet's standards compliant implementation doesn't work, because debian is not standards compliant out of the box. you need to set environment variables. my guess is that the root user has these set, but not normal users. see the enlightenment.org wiki and the page about efreet and e17. Thanks! cheers, Guillaume (I'm not in the operator,staff,sys group) /etc/enlightenment/sysactions.conf : action: halt sudo /sbin/shutdown -h now action: rebootsudo /sbin/shutdown -r now # action: suspend /etc/acpi/sleep.sh force # action: hibernate /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh force # root is allowed to do anything - but it needs to be here explicitly anyway user: root allow: * # members of operator, staff and admin groups should be able to do all group:operator allow: * group:staff allow: * # group:admin allow: * group:sys allow: * # common user groups for console users on desktops/laptops # group:dialout allow: * # group:disk allow: * # group:adm allow: * # group:cdrom allow: * # group:floppyallow: * # group:audio allow: * # group:dip allow: * # group:plugdev allow: * # put in a list of other users and groups here that are allowed or denied etc. # e.g. # user: myuser allow: * # user: anotherallow: suspend hibernate # deny everyone else by default user: giggz allow: * user: * deny: * - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through
Re: [e-users] lost all keybindings, and use of alt-key
On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 13:59:00 -0700 Todd Hought [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Well, I tried wiping out my .e/ directory, and that worked, save for having to recreate every single keybinding i've got, only to find that if I restart enlightenment, the EXACT SAME THING happens. *poof* I have no keybindings, no Fn keys, alt no longer functions, nothing. strange. All this because I want a new background and for some reason, the picture selector window is completely greyed out when I try to select an image. One would think I could just place an .edj file in the backgrounds directory, and go into the enlightenment config, then just set the background in a text file, but wait, all the config files are binary now. Seems to be quite a step backwards, IMHO. they have been binary since day 0 for e17. nothing new there. they are data structures flattened out and are intended to be nicely machine readable. Any ideas on how to fix either of these problems? no - i have never seen either of these problems. we will need help to track down why this happens for you (and not for me - o other developers). if this happened to us - we'd fix it. On Wed, 2007-08-15 at 11:35 -0700, Todd Hought wrote: not sure what happened here, but i've got a few things going on with DR17, the most pressing of which is that after a restart, I lost the ability to use my alt-key, so no alt-tabs, no alt-Fn's for desktop switching, can't even start a terminal from my keybindings. I had a similar problem with the mouse a few weeks ago that was fixed by restoring the defaults, but alas, that has not helped in this case. Any ideas? -T - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- Todd Hought System Administrator Unicon Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM:toddhought - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] [Debian Sid] Reboot and shutdown buttons ?
On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 14:14:26 +1200 Jochen Schroeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: David Seikel wrote: On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 11:17:16 +1200 Jochen Schroeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: giggz wrote: I don't see these things. When I right click on the desktop, I just have the favorite menu which is blank by me...When I left click on the desktop, I get the main menu with sub-menu System, but there are just lock screen and leave session. But It could be the fact that I use GDM to login and not entrance, isn't it ? I don't think that to erase my /home/giggz/.e which change things because I just install E17 on my laptop for the first time...but if you tell me that I change lot's of thing for you...I t oculd be great that I test it... I think you need the hibernate package installed for these to work IIRC. The /etc/enlightenment/sysactions.conf file controls who has permission to shut down or reboot the computer from the E17 system menu. It's got plenty of internal comments to help you figure it out. Cool I never realized that this file was there. However I noticed that when I install with --prefix=/usr it get's installed into /usr/etc/enlightenment. Now I don't know the exact FHS guidelines, but all other packages I have encountered so far put their configuration files in /etc/ even if you specify /usr as a prefix. Is this intended behaviour? (I'm aware that I can change this with --sysconfdir was just wondering) yes - it's intended - because... --sysconfdir can do what you want :) it otherwise means that e CAN be in a clean install prefix ENTIRELY - and e can work this out runtime. i.e. use --prefix=/opt/apps/e17 but then after compiling and installing you decide e should be in /opt/e17 - just: mv /opt/apps/e17 /opt/e17 and e will work. it will figure out its new prefix. or: --prefix=$HOME/apps/e17 then later you decide that you need to move it to /opt/e17 to share with other users: mv $HOME/apps/e17 /opt/e17 presto - e17 will work. the sysactions.conf will also follow etc. Cheers Jochen - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] [Debian Sid] Reboot and shutdown buttons ?
On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:13:56 +0200 giggz [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) a écrit : On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:04:50 +0200 giggz [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: [snip] Hi, I have installed the acpi-support package, but nothing more... but I have test e17 under root session through GDM. And under root I have my applications menu (!?!) and the halt/reboot buttons. When I compare the two .xsession-errors the only diffrences are : These 4 lines in the user .xsession-errors : ERROR: UNABLE TO ASSUME ROOT PRIVILEDGES ERROR: UNABLE TO ASSUME ROOT PRIVILEDGES ERROR: UNABLE TO ASSUME ROOT PRIVILEDGES ERROR: UNABLE TO ASSUME ROOT PRIVILEDGES you problem is that that enlightenment_sys is NOT setuid root. something has been broken in the debian packages. the source build for e17 sets this to be setuid root (that means when this executable runs it runs AS ROOT). example: [ 11:37PM /usr/local/bin ] ls -l enlightenment_sys 20K -r-sr-xr-x 1 root root 19K 2007-08-20 08:05 enlightenment_sys* see - it's got the sticky bit set (s) - that means its setuid to the owner of the file (root in this case). i bet you whatever enlightenment_sys you have installed it's not setuid root - thus it doesn't work. Ouaou! yipeee! you're right! ll /usr/bin/enlightenment* gives me : -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 874K 2007-08-19 02:49 /usr/bin/enlightenment -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 37K 2007-08-19 02:49 /usr/bin/enlightenment_fm -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 777K 2007-08-19 02:49 /usr/bin/enlightenment_imc -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 99K 2007-08-19 02:49 /usr/bin/enlightenment_remote -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 8,8K 2007-08-19 02:49 /usr/bin/enlightenment_start -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 7,5K 2007-08-19 02:49 /usr/bin/enlightenment_sys -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 26K 2007-08-19 02:49 /usr/bin/enlightenment_thumb I have done chmod +s /usr/bin/enlightenment_sys*, so I have now : -rwsr-sr-x 1 root root 7,5K 2007-08-19 02:49 /usr/bin/enlightenment_sys I don't have exactly the same right as you, but it's work out of the box! thx for that!!! I have my two halt and reboot icons! :) something is wrong with the packages you have - they don't keep the suid bit as per the install. beyond that - sysactions.conf is the config that defines commands to run (as root) for given actions like reboot halt, suspend etc. and who is allowed to run them. this config is intended for packagers and sysadmins to alter to define what users can do these things, and what commands these actions map to. on ubuntu the default config will allow any normal user who has a reasonable set of privileges (as if they were an owner of the box) to halt, reboot, suspend and hibernate - and the commands given in the default config will work out of the box on ubuntu. your distribution may or may not work - it is up to the sys admin and/or packager to fix this so it works - if they want it to. ok In the root .xsession-errors I see something strange : ERROR: UNDEFINED ACTION: suspend ERROR: UNDEFINED ACTION: hibernate but these two actions are not defined and used in my /etc/enlightenment/sysactions.conf (I attach it at the end) enlightenment itself looks for these actions. if it can't find them defined or doesn't have permission to do them - it doesn't add them to the menu. this is normal if you removed these actions from sysactions.conf ok So I think it's a right problem, but where can I take a look : sudo /sbin/shutdown -h now sudo /sbin/shutdown -r now work fine under a user session And Why can I have an application menu under root and not under my user ? Are the paths different ? debian doesn't set up xdg menus correctly for users - they dont export any environment variables to indicate which prefix the system menus should use, thus efreet's standards compliant implementation doesn't work, because debian is not standards compliant out of the box. you need to set environment variables. my guess is that the root user has these set, but not normal users. see the enlightenment.org wiki and the page about efreet and e17. Yes, I have read this wiki last week. I will try to export this variables... Big big Thx (I don't know if we say that in english...) c'est d'accor mon ami :) tout le monde ne parles pas l'anglais courament, mais c'set la langue d'intenrnet - l'anglaid de chaque personne n'est pas parfait :) Regards, Guillaume [snip] - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo
Re: [e-users] How to save power in my CRT monitor
On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:33:46 -0300 Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: `xset dpms force stanby` works just fine here. It seems to be working now, for no apparent reason... If if goes back to the not working situation, I'll send another email. It has failed again. And by looking at the mouse pointer, I have seen that it moves rapidly (as if it was shaking). It is likely this is the reason for power saving failing on my monitor, and the interaction this would be the reason. i have heard this before. time to get a new mouse. between Enlightenment's own power saving settings and xset was just a coincidence. Is there any way I can make the computer disregard these erratic random mouse movements for the idle time calculation? no. none that i know of. this is outside enlightenment' domain - into x/drivers. The ideal solution would be for the computer to use an intelligent algorithm to analyse the mouse movement and disregard noise. A worse solution would be for the computer to apply a digital filter to the mouse movement to disregard noise. An even worse solution (but still far better than the current situation) would be to ignore the mouse movement completely, and calculate idle time based solely on mouse clicks and keyboard activity. Can it be done? -- Software is like sex: it is better when it is free. --Linus Torvalds - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] How to save power in my CRT monitor
On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 19:00:41 -0300 Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Just one additional question: when I want to watch TV and the computer will be without mouse or keyboard input, I raise the standby timeout. I wrote a script for that and bound controlaltw to it. But I still have to disable the Enlightenment lock screen timeout... And enlightenment_remote seems unable to do it, so I have to use the mouse to navigate menus and uncheck the Lock when idle time exceeded option. Is there any way I can do this from the command line? Well no. I never implemented it. (the reason being below) I'll put it on my list though. Do you follow cvs? Yes I follow CVS. By the way, enlightenment_remote seems quite limited and I often find myself in need to use the mouse... which is not scriptable, which annoys me. enlightenment_remote is limited because (as I understand it) only features that did not have a GUI were made available for enlightenment_remote. Its as if dev would develop the feature, and then allow access to its config via enlightenment_remote. Then as they develop the GUI for it they were to remove it. But that has allways seemed silly to me, as everything *should* be scriptable. But it seems (and this is just my perception) that enlightenment_remote is destined to be deprecated some day... once all features are available through a GUI. But personally I feel that is a misfortune. As a scriptable tool like that is so handy. It is more than a misfortune, it is an absurd. I could give you a lot of important reasons why scriptability is so important. What is the reason for scriptability to be left out? After all, we don't want to reinvent MS Windows, do we? To be able to script the lock screen timeout is specially important. Am I supposed to follow menus each time I want to watch TV? If it was scriptable, I could bind a key to it, so I would just press a key combination when I wanted to increase the timeout. I could even write a script that did this before calling the TV-viewing program, and restored the default configuration after the TV-viewing program ended. actually this could be implemented if we provided actions to change config - enlightenment_remote is an extreme inefficient and round-about way to do this. enlightenment_remote is a pain to maintain - it is a large lump of code that most people tend to never use. we are going to get rid of it. your stop blanking while watching tv problem is the fact that your tv app... is stupid. it does not suspend the screensaver (blanking) while watching tv. this is an easy thing to do in x (if you use the xscreensaver extension) and it should just do it automatically - WITHOUT you nbeeding to go bind keybindings to run a program that then connects back to the wm that then changes a setting (permanently) that then tells x to turn off dpms blanking (and then you need to remember to turn it back on again too when done - you might forget and then not get blanking). If you can implement this feature, I would be thankful. By the way, the Enlightenment team deserves congratulations for their excellent work. you are talking to the wrong people - the tv app authors are the ones you want to talk to. see above. most cases for i need scriptability are simply work-arounds for bugs/lack of features or lack of knowledge on how things work. for us maintaing enlightenment_remote is a burden - it is a gateway for bugs and crashes - already. if there is genuine need - we will have some remote control ability - but only if there is need. we are looking to dump e_ipc and move control via dbus and allow modules to extend dbus remote control. -- Software is like sex: it is better when it is free. --Linus Torvalds - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] [E-devel] [E17] Place modules on desktop
On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 00:42:56 +0200 Andreas Volz [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Am Sun, 19 Aug 2007 18:56:50 +0200 schrieb Andreas Volz: Hello, currently it's only possible to place modules in the panels. I remember the time when it was possible to place modules free in size and position on the desktop background. This was a great feature. - Why was this feature removed? - Will it come back? Why was this bug closed without any explanation? http://bugzilla.enlightenment.org/show_bug.cgi?id=170 Perhaps I'm not able to find the option to place modules on the desktop. Or is this a not desired feature? Please give at least a short explanation. Thanks! it's not being added back because it's generally a silly feature (gadgets get covered by windows all the time) and no developer wants to spend time on it as the general view among the developers is that it is a dubiously useful feature. patches accepted. regards Andreas - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] [E-devel] [E17] Place modules on desktop
On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 04:44:22 +0200 Stéphane Bauland [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Christopher Michael wrote: Andreas Volz wrote: Am Sun, 19 Aug 2007 18:56:50 +0200 schrieb Andreas Volz: Hello, currently it's only possible to place modules in the panels. I remember the time when it was possible to place modules free in size and position on the desktop background. This was a great feature. - Why was this feature removed? - Will it come back? Why was this bug closed without any explanation? http://bugzilla.enlightenment.org/show_bug.cgi?id=170 Perhaps I'm not able to find the option to place modules on the desktop. Or is this a not desired feature? Please give at least a short explanation. Thanks! regards Andreas This bug was closed because it is an enchancement that is not going to happen. I thought I left a comment there...hmm. At any rate, this is no longer possible with e17. There used to be the gadman code in e17 todo this, but raster has removed it. IIRC he said that it was not coming back. devilhorns Hi! I just have a think to that, you could said that's wrong or not ;) I just said that from my user side. But why shelves couldn't have an option to be placed not only on screen's edges ? If i remenber, Mo0m spoke me about that some times ago, and i'm agree with him, that's could be amazing. I'm agree with raster too, gadgets under windows is *not really* fun. But peoples like me think that ibar, pager and ibox are sweet contained under shelves, but a rss feed (like erss), a mail info box, a weather or a clock modules could get a place under windows. nothing stops these doing that - but they don't use the gadget code. dropshadow is a module - it draws shadows on the desktop - flame is the same. they can display anywhere. they don't use the gadget handling code. this is all possible - but i don't see the point of making some easy auto-layout infrastructure for it all. gadcon was about bringing the myriad of gadgets under stricter control where they can auto-layout better. the majority of gadgets want/need that. a few don't. these few can place themselves as they like. it's not impossible - it just is more manual/different. To conclude, i just want to know what a free placement option is so deprecated ? - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- Bauland Stephane (aka rookmoot) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] engage and e16
On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 10:15:35 + (UTC) Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:19:51 +1000, David Seikel wrote: Thanks, Kim and David: Am I missing something obvious or is this not a workable combination. Um... e16 should be compatible with just about anything, but engage seems to be somewhat less functional than it has been. EFL APIs move on, but engage has no maintenance being done. So it sits and it's bits rot. It's such a shame because engage really had super qualities and appeal. You're right about the APIs David. But on the cvs logs, I saw some minor action in cvs several weeks ago. Not enough though to make it work right. (or because I did not have enough information to make it work right due to lack of doc). IMVHO, marrying a product to a particular OS or WM is a poor choice. Making engage only compatible with E17 as a module and forsaking standalone is a shame. I think that if engage standalone is to survive, it will have to fork off the existing modular project and become independent. Next, it will have to have a standardized, non-eap-style, method of accessing programs and objects. .desktop files are so small as are most png files, there's no point to package them. Anyway, thanks for preventing me from beating my head against a wall (for now, anyway). :) e17 no longer uses eaps - it uses .desktop files just like gnome/kde (it follows the standards). again - it's in engage's ball court. efl/e has moved on during development. -- Peter - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] e17setroot
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 03:34:54 +1000 David Seikel [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 01:05:09 +0200 giglio robbo' d'acciaio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've compiled e17 from cvs using e17easy.sh script, but althought there's a e17setroot.c in source tree I can't find it's binary form in bin/. Why? All the e_utils are not built by default, you have to enable what ever ones you want built. e17setroot is considered to be an evil hack and raster has said he might remove support for it one day. well not for it - specifically, but remove ipc support, and e17setroot is a very evil hack to get transperency. imho - you want transparenecy - use a composite manager and terminals with ARGB dest support. - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] engage and e16
On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 21:17:11 + (UTC) Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:51:38 -0400, Michael Jennings wrote: snip... It's free software. If you think you know what needs to be done, do it. Michael Well, I don't use e17 and don't know EFL, so I would not know what needs to be done. I don't think porting it to gtk or qt is worth the time. there is no need to port to gtk - there is simply need to keep up with small api changes as we make them to underlying libraries - or even make use of new libraries that bring support for things like fdo .desktop standards etc. -- Peter - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] E17 System/Suspend
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 09:27:22 +1200 Jochen Schroeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Jasper Humphrey wrote: Hello E users I've just installed the Fedora 7 RPMs of E17 and it works great apart from the left click on background/System/Suspend or Hibernate doesn't work. I have a IBM Thinkpad T41. Does anyone know why? Alternatively does E17 produce any logs or can you point me towards the right code module? In the meantime running gnome-power-manager makes the the thinkpad suspend button work. Thanks Jasper have a look in the archives, there was a thread about this a week ago. look at sysactions.conf - text file intended to be packager/sysadmin friendly. Cheers Jochen - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] [E-devel] [E17] Place modules on desktop
On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 21:24:01 +0200 Andreas Volz [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Am Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:13:18 +0900 schrieb Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman): On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 00:42:56 +0200 Andreas Volz [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Am Sun, 19 Aug 2007 18:56:50 +0200 schrieb Andreas Volz: Hello, currently it's only possible to place modules in the panels. I remember the time when it was possible to place modules free in size and position on the desktop background. This was a great feature. - Why was this feature removed? - Will it come back? Why was this bug closed without any explanation? http://bugzilla.enlightenment.org/show_bug.cgi?id=170 Perhaps I'm not able to find the option to place modules on the desktop. Or is this a not desired feature? Please give at least a short explanation. Thanks! it's not being added back because it's generally a silly feature (gadgets get covered by windows all the time) and no developer wants to spend time on it as the general view among the developers is that What is the difference to the desktop icons like trash, home folder and mount points? They're also covered by windows all the time. I don't think that one could argument that way. I could for example imagine that one screen holds all my nice and useful desktop modules. If I open no window there I've no problems. Don't assume how anybody uses a desktop environment. :-) it is a dubiously useful feature. patches accepted. This is good to read. In the past I waited for this feature to come back. Now I know that it'll not come back from alone. My knowledge of the EFL is growing more and more, but I never hacked in E itself. Are there any experienced E developers that like this feature too and will spend work for a solution? NB: in theory gadcon (the new gadget system) CAN do this - you need to 1. add a general 2d layout handler (the current is 1d), and 2. provide a gadcon on the desktop. currently the only thing providing gadcons is the shelf. i designed gadcon to be much more generic than the old gadman - so in theory gadcons can go into popups, menus, titlebars, the desktop etc. BUT - i just don't want to sink the time and effort into a 2d layout + gadcon provision for the desktop. as per my other mail- just because gadcon doesn't do this doesn't mean modules can't go and create Desktop elements anyway. :) -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] e17setroot
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 10:47:43 +0200 Nicolas Pichon [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) a écrit : well not for it - specifically, but remove ipc support, and e17setroot is a very evil hack to get transperency. imho - you want transparenecy - use a composite manager and terminals with ARGB dest support. Is the Bling module sufficient as a composite manager, or do I have to install experimental Debian package for xcompmgr ? either will do. bling's core is a chunk of code from xcompmgr :) Which terminals do you know who supports ARGB dest (I need a tabbed terminal with UTF-8 and tranparency support, currently I'm using xfce4-terminal) ? don't know - play/search and see. :) Regards, Nicolas. - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] lost all keybindings, and use of alt-key
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 08:07:44 +0200 David Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: again - working here. nothing gone wrong. i need someone who can reproduce this to track it down. :( -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Todd Hought wrote: Well, I tried wiping out my .e/ directory, and that worked, save for having to recreate every single keybinding i've got, only to find that if I restart enlightenment, the EXACT SAME THING happens. *poof* I have no keybindings, no Fn keys, alt no longer functions, nothing. All this because I want a new background and for some reason, the picture selector window is completely greyed out when I try to select an image. One would think I could just place an .edj file in the backgrounds directory, and go into the enlightenment config, then just set the background in a text file, but wait, all the config files are binary now. Seems to be quite a step backwards, IMHO. Any ideas on how to fix either of these problems? Hi, No solution here, just a note to say that Alt- shortcuts don't function for me either (cvs as of 7th of August). I have also tried nuking ~/.e. HTH, David Moore On Wed, 2007-08-15 at 11:35 -0700, Todd Hought wrote: not sure what happened here, but i've got a few things going on with DR17, the most pressing of which is that after a restart, I lost the ability to use my alt-key, so no alt-tabs, no alt-Fn's for desktop switching, can't even start a terminal from my keybindings. I had a similar problem with the mouse a few weeks ago that was fixed by restoring the defaults, but alas, that has not helped in this case. Any ideas? -T - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGyoEwOP+t1LlaoiERAqhxAJ4v0ATuOHJagzwHTF4pUPXOPJXo9ACgozPB mj3RBPd1PrDDuTy0QOnvO6Y= =AvlF -END PGP SIGNATURE- - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] How to save power in my CRT monitor
the time. i really don't believe that. if you are doing this all the time - something is deeply wrong. you are literally en-masse changing keybindings all the time? why? i might touch them once on setup to add a few (eg my media keys), then not know or see the bindings for weeks or months - then need to add another to launch some app or whatever. why do you need to keep changing them? -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] How to save power in my CRT monitor
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 09:27:35 +1000 David Seikel [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 07:45:08 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 18:01:45 -0300 Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: If I could configure the keybindings through a text file* , changing dozens of keybindings would probably be as simple as a query replace. like what? i hope you know by heart all the x keysym names then! what about the modifier your press? do you know if its Meta? Hyper? Super? What's the Keysym or Keycode for the play/pause button on your keyboard? what about the Shuffle button? E manages to remove needing to know any of this - it takes it from INPUT. if you need a feature (like having a universal modifier and changing it for all bindings) then say so and we can add it to the UI. simply relying on text editing as a crutch is a bad thing. * I can do that now by telling enlightenment_remote to dump the keybindings, then edit the resulting file, then tell enlightenment_remote to delete the current keybindings, and then tell enlightenment_remote to add the keybindings from the edited dump. Sounds like it takes some time, but is far quickier than it would be to use the Enlighenment's GUI and click on each keybinding that needs changing. I do it all the time. i really don't believe that. if you are doing this all the time - something is deeply wrong. you are literally en-masse changing keybindings all the time? why? i might touch them once on setup to add a few (eg my media keys), then not know or see the bindings for weeks or months - then need to add another to launch some app or whatever. why do you need to keep changing them? Changing most usage of the ALT modifier to WIN is something I do, but only on those odd occasions when I have to nuke my old config. I use an enlightenment_remote based script for that. This is because more often that not, the ALT modified key/mouse bindings are used by other software that I use regularly. The Second Life client is the main culprit though. at which point to me it says that we need to virtualise some modifiers - i.e. wm modifier and then let u set the wm modifier in just 1 place. maybe also have some key and mouse bindings disabled when certain windows are in focus. this stops you having to change config all the time and lets the wm do everything for you - automatically. - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
[e-users] eet text file config...
ok- for all the crazies out there who insist on text config files i added: 1. a little extra info to eet data blobs to also encode data type. 2. eet api to parse and dump text config files to and from eet config data blobs 3. a small eet util to extract, insert, encode and decode such blobs. you will need to wrap this up yourself in shell scripts as you see fit - the config format is very edc like (for edje files) and the parser is not forgiving - make a mistake and it won't be happy and not tell you much. you can extract e's config for example: eet -d ~/.e/e/config/default/e.cfg config out.txt vi out.txt eet -e ~/.e/e/config/default/e.cfg config out.txt 1 any eet file can have elements extracted - if they are eet config blobs it can decode. other blobs may be images or other data - the tool doesn't handle that. beware - config files will be LONG. my e.cfg is a 20kb binary blob - but as text expands to over 10,000 lines of config. parsing of these is slow compared to the binary blobs which is lightning fast. you have all u need to screw with files as you like - be warned that if you do so you are on your own. i implemented this just to keep the i must have this as text complainers happy. it doesn't buy you anything but a way of screwing your config up. i issue this warning now. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] problems compiling evas on solaris 10
On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 09:15:44 +1000 Erik de Castro Lopo [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: alternatively download.enlightenment.org has tarball snaps where you just ./configure make make install and dont need autofoo. Brian Howe wrote: I have installed the following: autoconf 2.60 automake 1.10 libtool 1.5 All downloaded from sunfreeware.com Those versions look ok. They are definitely not too old and I doubt they are too recent. Should I go to the source for each and download and compile them? Nope, instead, I suggest that check that all these tool can find their data directories correctly. Apart from that I don't know what to suggest. Erik -- - Erik de Castro Lopo - We are shut up in schools and college recitation rooms for ten or fifteen years, and come out at last with a belly full of words and do not know a thing. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] How to save power in my CRT monitor
On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 22:27:24 -0400 Michael Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On Monday, 27 August 2007, at 07:45:08 (+0900), Carsten Haitzler wrote: yes - and the bad bit is - this conflicts with code for the config gui. the fact is that almost every app on the planet provides a GUI (built in) to configure itself - preferences dialogs for firefox, settings dialogs for gimp. almost NONE provide remote control. most of the time people don't care - and don't need it. This is, of course, not true. Most systems, including firefox (prefs.js) and GIMP (gimprc, et al.), use text-based configurations which do not require specialized remote control tools beyond a simple text editor. But even they provide mechanisms for controlling program behavior from afar, from JavaScript and Script-Fu to special command line parameters. An automated way of manipulating program configuration is both wanted and needed. The current implementation of E IPC is pretty ugly, yes. That doesn't mean IPC is bad. It means the IPC code was not designed properly. then by removing it i will put impetus into someone replacing it - shorne started with a dbus implementation and the intent to put all of it into modules - so it can be extended by anyone who thinks they need 3rd party control. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] How to save power in my CRT monitor
the onus on modules to extend the ipc as people need is much better than what we have now. An automated way of manipulating program configuration is both wanted and needed. The current implementation of E IPC is pretty ugly, yes. That doesn't mean IPC is bad. It means the IPC code was not designed properly. Maybe I'm hallucinating, but I thought that a while back there was some discussion on enlightenment-user about how some new code (gadcon?) would make it much easier to add new actions to enlightenment_remote at the nup- gadcon and e_remote had nothing to do with eachother. same time as adding the corresponding GUI elements. Was I dreaming? This sounded great to me at the time, because it seemed to suggest that pretty much *everything* would automatically be made scriptable via enlightenment_remote, without much extra coding effort. no. not at all. that may have been dbus + modules extending the ipc and allowing you to use standard dbus tools to send messages and get replies. Toby - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Look for a script which save or apply my e17 settings
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 12:45:20 +0200 GiGGz [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Massimo Maiurana a écrit : GiGGz, il 11/09/2007 09:52, scrisse: giggz a écrit : Hi, I'm running under debian sid and so I update e17 throught the repository of edevelop. I remove my ~/.e/ several times. is there a specific reason why you wipe out your config so many times? it should be needed only when there are significant changes in E, but it not happens often (I even forgot when was the last time I had to wipe out ~/.e) and normally E check for this at startup. I think it should be enough for you to save a copy of your ~/.e/e/config/default/e.cfg and copy it again in ~/.e while E is not running. Thx for your answer. Several people told me that it was better to remove ~/.e/ when I update. i never do. and hell - i write a lot of the code. :) it's meant to work without needing removals. on occasion we do need to change things - but those changes have been mostly in the applications/menus space, not e config. e;'s config is self-managed and if it changes in a completely incompatible way - e will nuke it, otherwise it gets upgraded as you go. Now (since I ask this question) several people tell me the opposite...So I think that I won't remove the ~/.e/ until I get big problem under E17... How can I know big changes of E17 ? I know that I can read comp.window-manager.e.cvs or comp.window-manager.e.devel, but I'm not a developper and so I don't understand the changes very well...Is there a place with understandly changelog ? no - not while we do development in cvs. you have the cvs commits mailing list that lets you know what happens, when and by who though. all changes. Regards, Guillaume - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Hard hang with latest e17 cvs
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 11:48:10 -0400 Mike Russo [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
strace doesn't help much here - gdb would though! :) but... fixed it in cvs.
With the latest e17 cvs, I get it to hard hang (go into an infinite loop
from which only a kill -9 will recover) by simply going to
Enlightenment-About on the menu. This happens with the standard
theme. Here's an strace of the process (I have a much larger strace
but it has a lot of useless stuff in it). Any idea why this might be
occuring?
munmap(0xb67fe000, 4096)= 0
mmap2(NULL, 8192, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1,
0) = 0xb67fd000
munmap(0xb67fd000, 8192)= 0
stat64(/usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/default.edj,
{st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=2482723, ...}) = 0
time(NULL) = 1189698009
stat64(/usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/default.edj,
{st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=2482723, ...}) = 0
stat64(/usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/default.edj,
{st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=2482723, ...}) = 0
stat64(/usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/default.edj,
{st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=2482723, ...}) = 0
time(NULL) = 1189698009
stat64(/usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/default.edj,
{st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=2482723, ...}) = 0
stat64(/usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/default.edj,
{st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=2482723, ...}) = 0
stat64(/usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/default.edj,
{st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=2482723, ...}) = 0
time(NULL) = 1189698009
stat64(/usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/default.edj,
{st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=2482723, ...}) = 0
stat64(/usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/default.edj,
{st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=2482723, ...}) = 0
stat64(/usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/default.edj,
{st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=2482723, ...}) = 0
time(NULL) = 1189698009
stat64(/usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/default.edj,
{st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=2482723, ...}) = 0
stat64(/usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/default.edj,
{st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=2482723, ...}) = 0
stat64(/usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/default.edj,
{st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=2482723, ...}) = 0
stat64(/usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/default.edj,
{st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=2482723, ...}) = 0
stat64(/usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/default.edj,
{st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=2482723, ...}) = 0
stat64(/usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/default.edj,
{st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=2482723, ...}) = 0
stat64(/usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/default.edj,
{st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=2482723, ...}) = 0
stat64(/usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/default.edj,
{st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=2482723, ...}) = 0
stat64(/usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/default.edj,
{st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=2482723, ...}) = 0
stat64(/usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/default.edj,
{st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=2482723, ...}) = 0
stat64(/usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/default.edj,
{st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=2482723, ...}) = 0
stat64(/usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/default.edj,
{st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=2482723, ...}) = 0
stat64(/usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/default.edj,
{st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=2482723, ...}) = 0
stat64(/usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/default.edj,
{st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=2482723, ...}) = 0
stat64(/usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/default.edj,
{st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=2482723, ...}) = 0
stat64(/usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/default.edj,
{st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=2482723, ...}) = 0
stat64(/usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/default.edj,
{st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=2482723, ...}) = 0
stat64(/usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/default.edj,
{st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=2482723, ...}) = 0
stat64(/usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/default.edj,
{st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=2482723, ...}) = 0
stat64(/usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/default.edj,
{st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=2482723, ...}) = 0
stat64(/usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/default.edj,
{st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=2482723, ...}) = 0
time(NULL) = 1189698009
stat64(/usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes/default.edj,
{st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=2482723, ...}) = 0
gettimeofday({1189698009, 399440}, NULL) = 0
open(/usr/share/enlightenment/AUTHORS, O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 10
fstat64(10, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=867, ...}) = 0
mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1,
0) = 0xb67fe000
read(10, The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)..., 4096) = 867
read(10, , 4096) = 0
close(10) = 0
munmap(0xb67fe000, 4096)= 0
+++ killed by SIGKILL +++
--
Mike Russo
ReadQ Systems
Re: [e-users] configuration-* modules
On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:44:41 +0200 Massimo Maiurana [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: giggz, il 15/09/2007 11:56, scrisse: Hi, I ask me a question this morning...a dummy question...If I unload all the configuration-* modules (to have more free space...), all my settings will be saved, isn't it ? yes, if you unload a configuration module you do not have a gui to alter your config anymore, but your settings remain as they are. of course unloading modules you do not save disk space, you just have less memory occupation. it saves VERY little memory - you will save a few Kb. -- Massimo Maiurana massimoatragusa.linux.it http://massimo.solira.org GPG keyID #7044D601 Articolo 11 - L'Italia ripudia la guerra come strumento di offesa alla libertà degli altri popoli e come mezzo di risoluzione delle controversie internazionali - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] E17 Gnome compatibility
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 14:54:21 +0200 Andreas Volz [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Hello, Enlightenment CVS committal Author : raster Project : e17 Module : apps/e Dir : e17/apps/e/src/modules/wizard ... + *(current e defaults, windows-style or mac-style?). + * o ask for what default wallpaper to use. + * o ask if the user wants gnome or kde support + *(for gnome run gnome-settings-daemon, unknown for kde). I run E17, but use many Gnome and Gtk applications. So I'm still searching for the best Gnome compatibility. Here are my experiences: same. o Use a .gtkrc-2.0: + Seems to be the easiest way to get Gtk support. + Easy to change with editor or various tools. - All the nice Gnome tools for menu settings size settings and other stuff doesn't work. 0 Use gnome-settings-daemon: + Full Gnome support + Easy to use + All Gnome preference dialogs like fonts, menus, themes,... work. + Nice tools like gnome-keyring-manager are started - The gnome-settings-daemon seems to grab some key bindings (e.g. volume control on multimedia keyboards). - The Gnome screensaver and password dialog doesn't work good in a E17 environment (sure it could be deactivated). 0 Use xfce4-settings manager + Works similar to the gnome-settings-daemon + Like with gnome-settings-daemon a set of tools to configure lookfeel - same cons as with gnome-settings-daemon I'm not happy with any of the solutions. How do you use E17 and Gnome/Gtk app together? well my plan was just to run gnome-settings-daemon, and allow access to the gnome config utils from your .desktop files (and menus) under some special gnome settings menu. ideally i'd also like to disable any gnome settings (screensaver/lock, keybinding snarfing etc.) that conflict, but just running gnome-settings-daemon and giving access to the gnome conf tools is a good first step. it would be nice to have our own tool basically mimic all the things gnome-settings-daemon does that gtk/gnome apps need - but i'd need to dig into exactly all the things it does. I thought about forking gnome-settings-daemon. Then I could use all good things from it and remove all stuff that I don't like/need in E17. In combination with smart Gnome settings this should work the best. also be the most work - maybe a longer term plan would be that, but the short term just run gnome-settings-daemon? regards Andreas - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] USB drive automount read only
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 23:12:32 +0200 giglio robbo' d'acciaio [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Jochen Schroeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You need to load the filemanager module. Done I also think you need to have e_dbus from proto compiled. This's what I have: ./include/Ecore_DBus.h ./lib/libecore_dbus.so.1 ./lib/libecore_dbus.la ./lib/pkgconfig/ecore-dbus.pc ./lib/libecore_dbus.a ./lib/libecore_dbus.so.1.0.0 ./lib/libecore_dbus.so Is there something missing? libe_dbus? -- Daniele Giglio Dona i tuoi cicli di clock alla ricerca! dgiglio(a)iol.it http://boinc.berkeley.edu/ ATTENTI AL CANE - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Certain applications show up in the default E17 theme
On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:11:52 +1000 Arthur Barton [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: I've never seen this before, so I don't know where to look, but no matter what E17 theme I have selected, but the windows from 'tsclient' and 'rdesktop' show up with decorations from the default E17 theme and not the theme I have selected. Not that I mind too much 'cos it's still beautiful, but I didn't even think there was a setting in E to cause this to happen, so I certainly didn't set it. Anyone have any idea why? I can provide a screenshot if necessary. This sounds to me like those apps are using a border style that is not included with any theme (ex: no_resize/dialog). I can confirm this. rdesktop on a e17 install from about 4 days ago always displays with the default theme. not a bug - a fallback to the default when your current theme does not provide the desired border style. -- - Arthur - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Entrance and fingerprint
On Tue, 2 Oct 2007 10:42:42 +0200 Mathieu Rochette [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Hello, Currently, enlightenment seems to used its own system to authenticate (at least for the lock screen). It would be nice if this can be converted to the system used by su, sudo or gdm. But I don't know if this could easily be done (?) no it doesn't. it uses pam. i removed e's own password as it's not secure (anyone can read your e config files and if they know how, snarf your lock password out). entrance and e17 simply need to be extended to also use other parts of pam that interact with things like fingerprint scanners. feel free to provide patches :) in my case the only file I had to edit is /etc/pam.d/common-auth, not a file per application like you seem to say and it just work in su/sudo/gdm/gksu... Thx, Mathieu. On 9/29/07, Ludger Köhler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I would like to ask, if there is a way to utilize thinkfinger with entrance by configuration /etc/pam.d/entrance like gdm or xdm? Also is it possible to authenticate with thinkfinger against E17 Screen Lock? Thanks and Best Reguards Ludger - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- Il y a 10 types de personnes, ceux qui savent, et ceux qui ne savent pas... - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] new e17 user
On Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:51:07 -0700 (PDT) KHERON DeNABHOTH [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: --- Fernando Meira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/4/07, KHERON DeNABHOTH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, i just switched from e16 to e17. Most of the previous configs are broken, so i was just wondering if someone could tell me where to find some docs or instructions about how to modify the content of Menus (adding applications - currently there is none showed up) and as well as how to configure key-shortcuts. Is there something similar to e16keyedit? thank you martin Martin Lukac Dept. of Electronic Computer engineering portland state university There is a configuration menu where you can config all that without needed to use the command line. Otherwise you can try out enlighenment_remote command. Cheers, Fernando Thanks a lot, it makes a lot of things easier. I have one more small question: is there something like the system tray box? I remember in e16 it used to be in the desktop menu but i could not find it nowhere (menu and config panel). thank you no systray in e17. martin Martin Lukac Dept. of Electronic Computer engineering portland state university Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Again with the window border / application / ibar icons
On Tue, 9 Oct 2007 08:01:55 -0500 Ronald Lau [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: boo. Anyone? R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ronald Lau Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 8:03 AM To: enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [e-users] Again with the window border / application / ibar icons Hello all. Before the CVS update, my .desktop files were able to control the icon for the application where ever it was shown (window border, app list, ibar, etc) by defining a .desktop file as such: [Desktop Entry] Encoding=UTF-8 X-Enlightenment-IconTheme=dlg-etiquette X-Enlightenment-WindowName=isengard X-Enlightenment-IconClass=isengard.png,isengard.edj,eterm Type=Application Exec=Eterm -t isengard -e ssh isengard StartupWMClass=ETerm GenericName=Terminal X-Enlightenment-IconPath=/users/ral/.e/e/icons/isengard.png Name=Isengard Comment=Run commands in a shell X-Enlightenment-WindowTitle=isengard Icon=isengard.png Now, all my .deskop files show the Eterm.desktop icon, except for the iBar in the shelf. So where do I now place the .desktop files so that E17 uses the icon I define? R. -- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Message on shutdown ?
On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:29:19 +0200 giggz [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Hi, My sysactions.conf is configured like this : action: halt sudo /sbin/shutdown -t1 -h now action: rebootsudo /sbin/shutdown -t1 -r now When I type sudo /sbin/shutdown -t1 -r now in a virtual console, I see messages like these : stopping gdm... stopping alsa... stopping all the service... umount ... halt or reboot But when I stop or reboot my laptop through the menu with halt or reboot, I don't see anything. Why ? Is there a magic command to get these messages back ? simple answer: no there isn't. e lets the system shut it down. x is still up thus you see no console messages until x is killed or unless you flip TO a VC (flip TO a VC just after you selected shutdown and you will see it). you could make a script that chvt's to a console then runs shutdown/reboot - but really - i don't see the point. Regards, Guillaume - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Integrating an OpenGL render Window within an Evas canevas.
On Sat, 3 Nov 2007 21:21:36 -0400 Flo [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: this is going to suck for you... but... you can't do what you are trying to do :( sorry :( Dear all: My name's florent and although I'm rather new to the EFLs world, and thanks to some great examples over the internet (from Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri and Raoul Hecky), I already managed to achieved nice results using Evas. However, after investigating evas's (endless) possibility as a GUI I'm hitting a wall while trying to do the following: I want to integrate an OpenGL render window within my Evas UI, this Evas UI handling every callbacks (mouse and keyboard events) whether from the evas canevas or the openGL render window. The example I tried to achieved, but failed so far, would be to integrate a glxgears render window (from the famous linux glxgears OpenGL render app) in a simple Evas canevas contaning a button that would launch the openGL render window. I would appreciate any idea/code/direction on how to achieve this as, from my internet digging, I did not find any example. thanks for your help. florent. - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
[e-users] News from the E stables
it every day of my life on every machine I have. Now I want it in the palm of my hand too. I hope that everyone can be just as excited. I know I am. I smell a new age of... Enlightenment. :) -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] News from the E stables
On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 17:54:36 +0100 tony oliveri [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: 2007/11/5, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: (omissis) I'm very happy 'n' proud for you, and E's team. So, when i can buy a new E-Phone? :) Good (and great) job. Ciao. You'll hear about it when it's there :) first focus is e17 - out the door though. -- .::. In Code We Trust .::. .::. Linux User #373781 .::. Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] edit main menu
On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 11:55:30 -0800 Nex6 [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Hi all, I am using (0.16.999.041) I am building a kiosk device, (a pc that just runs firefox) It needs to be locked down. How do I edit the main menu? so only the logout is there? restart and exit and logout are always put in by e internally as these are necessities for managing e (ie the exit/quit menu in almost every app). the others - including logout are determined by sysactions.conf - it's a text file. e installs it in PREFIX/etc/enlightenment. it is intended for integrators/admins to edit and determine the policies for users to be able to shut down/reboot etc. comments at the top. -Nex6 - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] [E-devel] Integrating an OpenGL render Window within an Evas canevas.
On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 11:11:38 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On Nov 5, 2007 10:28 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 3 Nov 2007 21:21:36 -0400 Flo [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: this is going to suck for you... but... you can't do what you are trying to do :( sorry :( Hi, he mailed me and I asked him to mail this list... I proposed the following solutions, but I don't know if they will work: 1 - create an opengl X11 window and make the parent be the evas window. Maybe using ARGB windows and composite manager to handle transparency. that's work - but you won't be able to layer the window within the evas canvas space - you have a whole lump of special case code just for that window. i was trying to give a simple answer though :):) 2 - create an offscreen opengl window, use it with evas_object_image_data_set(). possible - but u'd be reading back data and that'd just royally suck performance-wise any of those help, raster? -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri -- Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ#: 17249123 Skype: gsbarbieri Mobile: +55 (81) 9927 0010 -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] edit main menu
On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:31:43 -0800 Nex6 [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On 11/6/07, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 11:55:30 -0800 Nex6 [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Hi all, I am using (0.16.999.041) I am building a kiosk device, (a pc that just runs firefox) It needs to be locked down. How do I edit the main menu? so only the logout is there? restart and exit and logout are always put in by e internally as these are necessities for managing e (ie the exit/quit menu in almost every app). the others - including logout are determined by sysactions.conf - it's a text file. e installs it in PREFIX/etc/enlightenment. it is intended for integrators/admins to edit and determine the policies for users to be able to shut down/reboot etc. comments at the top. Thanks for the reply: I took a look at sysaction.conf and it looks pretty simple but it looks like it only controls shutdown, logout and some other high level fuctions. I would like to edit the main menu to only inlcude logout and restart. so the only fuctions and or apps would be firefox and logout/restart and thats it. I have already edited the shelf pretty well so it only has one thing, not I need to edit the main menu, so when users right click the only thing there is logout and restart. once I have all the settings I want the next trip would be to lock it all in place. :) aaah - that can't be done - unfortunately. the main menu is coded in. :) i havent decided what to do here yet, so right now the menu is coded in to make sure regardless of how broken a config you have - you always have a main menu to rescue yourself. it requires source patches. e_int_menus.c. it hasn't been modularised :/ the main menu should become more like the conifg panel - modular with the ability to register elements - in fact modules should register most of the functionality, so remove modules to remove menu contents. the big problem here is the config ,menu - that contains the modules config dialog - removing the module that brings that up can leave you with a wm that you can't use - as you can no longer configure modules and load it back :( that is the real danger here for NORMAL users of e. ps: I demo'd a E17 box to my boss (fedora 7 + E17) for our public Kiosk program (instead of windows) and he was impressed with the speed Firefox started and how good everything looked. now I just have to create a supportable device and proccess. :) :) -Nex6 -Nex6 - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] edit main menu
On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:25:39 -0300 Wido [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: the big problem here is the config ,menu - that contains the modules config dialog - removing the module that brings that up can leave you with a wm that you can't use - as you can no longer configure modules and load it back :( that is the real danger here for NORMAL users of e. ok but.it would be like deleting all shelf and mouse bindings, wouldn't? that is true. though you would also need to delete all keybindings as well. very good point. maybe we should allow this, but we need a rescue mode. we need some keybinding you can ALWAYS press to rescue yourself from doom. (i am happy to make a cmd-line option to turn that off so you explicitly turn off rescue on a kiosk or purpose-built device). -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] [E-devel] News from the E stables
On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 00:18:58 -0600 Nathan Ingersoll [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On Nov 10, 2007 7:07 PM, Brian 'morlenxus' Miculcy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't see why people want's to push git, cvs is working and i guess we have better things to do than changing the source management software. I have to agree with this sentiment. Unless we can demonstrate a real benefit from the effort, this seems like another administrative distraction. I use git locally for doing branched development and push to CVS when at a stable point. It is sometimes a pain to sync things properly, but not that bad. For most people, there is not much benefit of using git as they develop in a single branch. bingo. git just is shuffling papers differently. cvs is not perfect. i have used cvs for a decade - and i have managed to write lots of code and collaborate with others for 10 years. git came about because the kernel never went into cvs - kernel devs just kept mailing patches to eachother and each with their own tree. they worked entirely differently. git works for their model. cvs has worked well for ours. when i work on stuff i tend to work locally without revision control - i dont see why i need it. i make a small change, i run and test - if it went bad, i fix it. when working live on stuff i tend to commit small changes often. i get an email on very commit that makes it sane to handle. what happens when we have git and now people keep separate branches and develop separately - then merge them - where does the oversight of such massive merges happen? how do we get git-commit mails so we see who is doing what where and when? if commit patches get massive we not longer can sanely review any of it and will just give up into chaos, OR we end up with barriers being put up - code cant move form one git tree to another until it has been reviewed and accepted (the kernel model). if there is a recipe for us grinding to a halt development-wise - that is a sure fire way of doing it. i am wary of git. i just can't see how it can really help. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] [E-devel] News from the E stables
end user interface, one can see that Compiz-Fusion, in the Linux world, is becoming the favored desktop for a lot of people, and, in the Windows world, you should agree that Windows Vista has became nice to look at ;) not sure about that - but lets see. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] [E-devel] {Spam?} News from the E stables
On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:07:00 +0100 (CET) Vincent Torri [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On Mon, 5 Nov 2007, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: 2. Lets have actual weekly or monthly developer meetings - literally all-in live discussions - maybe IRC? Have actual agendas in meetings. Minutes. We are doing irc meetings about xcb, and it's always very useful. then lets (at some point soon) have some for e. 4. Try an organise some annual get-together. An E meet (I think I'll just call it The Rave for now - it fits with the whole E thing). So Literally find a place on the planet we all can/want to go to - go there. The french developpers have already met deveral times. Actually not for thinking about E but for dining in a good restaurant :) that's all good too. i know its just dinner, but over dinner i am sure you talked code, hacking and all sorts of stuff. :) the main point is to get people together in person to talk, share and just get to know eachother. Now we also need to fix up enlightenment.org a bit - I intend to sink a bit of time into solidifying some content. The Wiki has a fair bit. Anyone is welcome to contribute as they see fit. imho, the enlightenment web site is not good. It's quite difficult to find informations. The horizontal menu is too small. In that page: http://www.enlightenment.org/p.php?p=downloadl=en the paragraph about e17 is not clear enough (there are 2 links without explanation. Why doing a small page to say : go to other small pages) etc... dj2 is simplifiying it. :) But the primary thing of importance is getting E17 out the door. It's actually looking petty good. Only 2 really big TODO items left. I'm doing a theme revamp. The Default theme has very much aged. The gold bling isn't incredibly popular. I'm working on something I think people will love - and it still shows off E. It will replace the current default - and will also knock off some of the comment the default theme so its better documented for people to build new themes from and learn Edje. I was just wondering if it was the right time to start a new theme, which is a big big work. it is a big work, but the old one just was annoying me too much. i was trying to do graphics for the wizard and it just wasn't looking nice. everything i tried looked like crap. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Zombie Windows, Bling Problem and Sucicidal Programs
On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:50:31 +0100 Oliver Pahl [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: try disabling itask. Hi, i encountered a few Problems with the latest CVS Checkout. First i want to add me to the after enabling bling and re-login all my windows are gone people. Second, with the last few checkouts i made, i noticed, whenever i started Programs like OpenOffice, Firefox, Gaim for the first time, E segfaulted. Now this behavior is gone, but these Programs now suddenly stop working and return a strange errorcode (137 and 139 in the case of Firefox) Third thing is that whenever i close a Window and switch to another desktop and the back, the window is still there. It is also listet in the itask-ng module. This is especially annoying because whenever i restart the program the window suddenly gets closed by e and i have to switch to another desktop and back again to make it appear again. thank you for looking into it (I hope you will ;) ) Greetz from Austia Oli ___ Jetzt neu! Schützen Sie Ihren PC mit McAfee und WEB.DE. 3 Monate kostenlos testen. http://www.pc-sicherheit.web.de/startseite/?mc=00 - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
[e-users] Trac? (milestone/todo list visibility)
So I set up Trac: http://trac.enlightenment.org/e As per the news: http://www.enlightenment.org/p.php?p=news/showl=ennews_id=6 it's intended for project tracking. tracking our TODO items, etc. etc. it seems it's only me that likes TODO in CVS. no one else except a few core devs even knows its there. so i am thinking that we use trac to put up the TODO items and file tickets for them - then we can track what is to be done, even have discussions on each item - draw up wiki-like documents on them, find out who is doing them etc. etc. it even provides a NICE wishlist system. it's friendlier than bugzilla, but not as powerful. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] [E-devel] Trac? (milestone/todo list visibility)
On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:40:53 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: *blah blah - lots of emails - reply to all* i set up track for project timeline/status/completion tracking - ti deos things bugzilla doesn't. 1. it doesn't piss me off so much that i might actually use it. 2. it is not meant to replace bugzilla 3. this is the age of the internet - put in links to buzilla items if they are relevant on a TODO 4. it was intended for handling the TODO file in e. people still ask what is there to do? how can i help? what's the status?. trac provides a roadmap with a nice nice nice nice summary per project - items to do, items done. a percentage bar. it's simple. 5. i don't intend to use trac for svn. it's just hanging about 6. the wiki is only there for documenting the todo items and providing some central hook to get to them all - nothing else. trac's wiki is too limited for much moe 7. did i mention - this is the a web page. we can use things like links back to the real' wiki etc.? 8. bugzilla may be working for ewl - great! fantastic! keep using it. it isn't working for me for e - and the TODO file has been in cvs and still is there and is only being updated there. i waned to move it more into a public space. trac seemed to fit the bill. i set it up. 9. bugzilla annoys me to hell - every time i do use it it encouages me to run away and spend as long as possible away from it until i get back. just somehtng simple like list all bugs open for E17 or just all bugs open i can't do. i select open and 17 in bugs search but then i need to put in words - i dont wan to search. i want a LIST. come on bugzilla. how hard is it to just list the bugs! so instead i have to spend time int he advanced search fiddling with a bunch of things to create a saved search simply to list the bugs... sure then i can go create a bunch - go share them and people can track progress based on how long the list of bugs are for some saved search they have to go find and select. it just annoys me that the simpl things have to be so complex. providing a simple public status and a simple like like: top priority: * do a * create b * fix c nice to have: * do x * delete y * re-color z etc. doesn't exist with bugzilla. bugzilla also looks ugly :( filing a bug (or for a simple task/todo item) is quite an exercise in filling out forms. there is no ability to do any nice formatting (text only - though i don't mind much, trac does handle this nicely) etc. etc. if you want to use bugzilla as a way of putting down a request or todo item then using bugzilla to also discuss and refine it - draw nice diagrams, tables, etc. etc. it will get ugly. trac seems to lend itself to this much better. as i said - do NOT STOP USING BUGZILLA. i want to use trac for tracking TODO items for E - they are NOT being tracked in bugzilla. i want to have the TODO list for e much more visible. let people directly comment on it and maybe provide ideas or shortcuts etc. some TODO items are very fuzzy and need more solidification. trac seems to be a good tool for that. On Nov 15, 2007 5:40 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I set up Trac: http://trac.enlightenment.org/e As per the news: http://www.enlightenment.org/p.php?p=news/showl=ennews_id=6 it's intended for project tracking. tracking our TODO items, etc. etc. it seems it's only me that likes TODO in CVS. no one else except a few core devs even knows its there. so i am thinking that we use trac to put up the TODO items and file tickets for them - then we can track what is to be done, even have discussions on each item - draw up wiki-like documents on them, find out who is doing them etc. etc. it even provides a NICE wishlist system. it's friendlier than bugzilla, but not as powerful. Ok, I really like trac, but keeping both doesn't solve the previous problem of people not using bugzilla, instead it create another point of replication. I also like bugzilla completeness, but unless we'll create hierarchical bug dependencies, it doesn't worth the pain. So, let's try to eliminate one? Pro-Trac: it's simpler and provides wiki and scm view (I know git and svn works, but does cvs?) Pro-Bugzilla: it's complete, you can have hierarchical bugs and with that have todo lists. I rather keep the bugzilla + mediawiki instead of going Trac. Maybe someone could customize bugzilla's UI? -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri -- Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ#: 17249123 Skype: gsbarbieri Mobile: +55 (81) 9927 0010 -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go
Re: [e-users] File associations for the e17 efm?
On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 19:15:18 +0100 Hannes Janetzek [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Am Sun, 18 Nov 2007 10:57:26 -0600 schrieb MillTek [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, Where does e17 hold the list of programs associated with particular file types? I'd like to have '.sh' files opened with gvim but at present al it does is open gvim. The file itself is not opened within gvim. you have to add something %U to the .desktops executable so that e knows how the path should be formatted that it passes to the app. have a look at the desktop-file-spec if this doesnt work. or update efreet. this is a problem with most .desktop files and the freedesktop standards. the .desktop files actually don't comply. they do not specify how to run the app WITH a file as input. efreet was being very strict and following the standard. as the .desktop provided no indication of how to launch the app WITH a file passed in - only the app was launched. the .desktops don't follow the standard very well. i added code to guess if no %U/u/F/f etc. is provided in the cmd-line then guessing that just adding the full file path after the command will work. it's sloppy but it solves the problem. regards, Hannes Jim - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] File associations for the e17 efm?
On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 00:24:10 -0600 MillTek [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 19:15:18 +0100 Hannes Janetzek [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Am Sun, 18 Nov 2007 10:57:26 -0600 schrieb MillTek [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, Where does e17 hold the list of programs associated with particular file types? I'd like to have '.sh' files opened with gvim but at present al it does is open gvim. The file itself is not opened within gvim. you have to add something %U to the .desktops executable so that e knows how the path should be formatted that it passes to the app. have a look at the desktop-file-spec if this doesnt work. or update efreet. this is a problem with most .desktop files and the freedesktop standards. the .desktop files actually don't comply. they do not specify how to run the app WITH a file as input. efreet was being very strict and following the standard. as the .desktop provided no indication of how to launch the app WITH a file passed in - only the app was launched. the .desktops don't follow the standard very well. i added code to guess if no %U/u/F/f etc. is provided in the cmd-line then guessing that just adding the full file path after the command will work. it's sloppy but it solves the problem. Carsten, my efreet is up to date as of Nov 16th. What exactly should I do to get it to work? update efreet. i made my canges to efreet on the 16th. regards, Hannes Jim - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] File associations for the e17 efm?
On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 08:08:02 -0600 MillTek [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 00:24:10 -0600 MillTek [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 19:15:18 +0100 Hannes Janetzek [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Am Sun, 18 Nov 2007 10:57:26 -0600 schrieb MillTek [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, Where does e17 hold the list of programs associated with particular file types? I'd like to have '.sh' files opened with gvim but at present al it does is open gvim. The file itself is not opened within gvim. you have to add something %U to the .desktops executable so that e knows how the path should be formatted that it passes to the app. have a look at the desktop-file-spec if this doesnt work. or update efreet. this is a problem with most .desktop files and the freedesktop standards. the .desktop files actually don't comply. they do not specify how to run the app WITH a file as input. efreet was being very strict and following the standard. as the .desktop provided no indication of how to launch the app WITH a file passed in - only the app was launched. the .desktops don't follow the standard very well. i added code to guess if no %U/u/F/f etc. is provided in the cmd-line then guessing that just adding the full file path after the command will work. it's sloppy but it solves the problem. Carsten, my efreet is up to date as of Nov 16th. What exactly should I do to get it to work? update efreet. i made my canges to efreet on the 16th I just updated efreet and it still doesn't work. it should - if you double-click a file (for example jpeg) it will chose the last used app for that mime type. if no app is known it will ask. it will execute it with the command where %U or %F etc. is replaced with the file path. if this isnt in the command spec for the .desktop it will fallbackand assume it can just add the filename. thats exactly what the code does. check your stdout from e17. efreet will be complaining if the .desktop cmd has no %U etc. spec. regards, Hannes Jim - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] e17 background scaling
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:32:55 -0800 (PST) KHERON DeNABHOTH [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Hello, i was wondering if it is possible to scale the background images as an option of displaying? Or is it possible to display a background image non scaled (when smaller than the actual background screen). I mean each time i set up a background it stretches across the full screen deforming the original image ration. have you checked he options when importing an image? these are all there. and more. thank you martin Martin Lukac Dept. of Electronic Computer engineering portland state university Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] power saving module
On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:09:27 -0500 Geoffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: I unplugged the usb transmitter for the keyboard and mouse and still, the monitor was lit up the next morning. More research I guess. as i said - i found a particular version of x - can't remember which, refused to blank/power down. it would blank, turn off, then turn right back on again 1 second later. this was ubuntu feisty's version i think. it got fixed in gutsy. it works now. -- Until later, Geoffrey Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. - Benjamin Franklin - SF.Net email is sponsored by: Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;164216239;13503038;w?http://sf.net/marketplace ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] - SF.Net email is sponsored by: Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;164216239;13503038;w?http://sf.net/marketplace ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Problem switching between Virtual Desktop
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 00:43:13 +0100 Steven Le Roux [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: No one has this pb using i810 drivers on any intel devices ? nup. don't see it - if X is eating 100% (and just strace e from your ssh in session to see if it is doing anything), i smell an x problem. if e is somehow hammering x to do something silly - then of course e is part of that problem (though in general such a lockup is very unlikely due to e. extra cpu and work by x is possible, but complete lockups - unlikely). On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 19:00:24 +0100, Steven Le Roux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I have a problem sometime when I switch to an other desktop BUT It's not every time I do this action. First, I was thinking it was an hardware pb on my laptop, but since I did an update it's worst, and I found the same pb on an other computer. I use CVS, for many month, when I was swithing it's like if the combination ctrl + alt + right/left was locked, and the pager popup is kind of freezed. For those month, after few seconds (avg 4sec) I was back in a desktop, able to work again, but since my two last CVS compil (near 2 weeks), Xorg(keyboard but not mouse) freezes when the pb occures and if I connect with ssh I can see Xorg at 100% CPU... and nothing is responding with kbd even a ctrl alt f1 or ctrl alt backspace Moreover, I can reproduce the problem juste after starting E, doing a long ctrl + alt + right/left in order to change of virtual desktop. I have a small configuration (i915 with i810 driver) and the other computer has a other intel video chipset with i810 driver too. Do you have any idea where this problem come from ? thx If you want precision, just ask -- Steven Le Roux [EMAIL PROTECTED] xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - SF.Net email is sponsored by: The Future of Linux Business White Paper from Novell. From the desktop to the data center, Linux is going mainstream. Let it simplify your IT future. http://altfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/8857-50307-18918-4 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- Steven Le Roux [EMAIL PROTECTED] xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - SF.Net email is sponsored by: Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;164216239;13503038;w?http://sf.net/marketplace ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] - SF.Net email is sponsored by: Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;164216239;13503038;w?http://sf.net/marketplace ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
