[expert] Bug Reporting Micro Mini How to

[James Sparenberg]

All,

   I've added to the Twiki in the form of a mini how to on proper bug
report submission.  Feel free to adjust.

http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/BugReporting

Eric.  Thanks for the info it's in the tree now and all seems well in
that respect.  

James



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Re: [expert] Bug in php-rrdtool-1.0.40-2mdk in rrd_fetch function

[Joerg Mertin]

*lol* It's You folks from mandrake of course.

A Year back - I had patched a RedHat RPM to include the fix.
But - since about 5 months - I do use Mdk-9.1 for my little Home-Server ;o)

BTW - the stats I need the patch for can be viewed here:
http://www.solsys.org/system.php?action=ext_Det

The system-Stats can be viewed here:
http://www.solsys.org/system.php

Cheers

Joerg

On Saturday 04 October 2003 14:35, Joerg Mertin wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>
> by trying to improve  my system stats etc. I found out that the rrd_tool
> module for php4 still had the old Bug I sent a patch to Tobias Oetiker by
> that time. Actually - the rrd_fetch function returns the data for one
> Datasource only, instead of cycling through all existing datasources - thus
> giving back only one e.g. 288 Data-entries where 576 would be required.
>
> I just recompiled the php4_rrdtool extension of rrdtool-1.0.45 and it is
> fixed there. Maybe u folks from redhat could bring out a corrected version
> for Mdk-9.1 ...
>
> NOTE - the 9.2 RPM does not compile on 9.1 That's why I ask u folks.
>
> Cheers
>
>   Joerg

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[expert] Bug in php-rrdtool-1.0.40-2mdk in rrd_fetch function

[Joerg Mertin]

Hi Folks,

by trying to improve  my system stats etc. I found out that the rrd_tool 
module for php4 still had the old Bug I sent a patch to Tobias Oetiker by 
that time. Actually - the rrd_fetch function returns the data for one 
Datasource only, instead of cycling through all existing datasources - thus 
giving back only one e.g. 288 Data-entries where 576 would be required.

I just recompiled the php4_rrdtool extension of rrdtool-1.0.45 and it is fixed 
there. Maybe u folks from redhat could bring out a corrected version for 
Mdk-9.1 ...

NOTE - the 9.2 RPM does not compile on 9.1 That's why I ask u folks.

Cheers

Joerg

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Re: [expert] bug #82 in Samba 2.2.8 RPMS?

[James Sparenberg]

On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 17:48, Jim C wrote:
> Anbody know how I can find out if I've got the patch for this?
> 


Since it's a new one.  do 

rpm -q --changelog samba-common | more

then the same for samba-client and samba-server.  If it's in there (and
I've not the slightest idea which one will have the patch it should be
mentioned in the changelog somewhere.  Note if it isn't in the first
couple of comments it's either not there or not mentioned.  But I'd bet
that if it is patched then the maintainer will mention it.

James





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[expert] bug #82 in Samba 2.2.8 RPMS?

[Jim C]

Anbody know how I can find out if I've got the patch for this?



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Re: [expert] Bug Report: phpgroupware-0.9.14.006-0.1mdk.noarch.rpm not signed

[Vincent Danen]

On Wed Jul 23, 2003 at 07:04:14PM -0500, AAW wrote:

> The recent update package for LM 9.1 (MDKSA-2003:077) is not signed (md5 
> only).

New packages are signed and are being mirrored.  The new md5sums are in the
advisory on the MandrakeSecure website.

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[expert] Bug Report: phpgroupware-0.9.14.006-0.1mdk.noarch.rpm not signed

[AAW]

The recent update package for LM 9.1 (MDKSA-2003:077) is not signed (md5 
only).

Arn


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Re: [expert] Bug about Gigabyte motherboard?

[Greg Meyer]

On Tuesday 15 July 2003 03:14 pm, Francisco Alcaraz wrote:
> Hello,
>
> A friend of mine had lot of problems to have well recognized a ethernet
> card conected to a cable modem under Mandrake 9.1. In fact it had not
> network runing :-). We thought that the problem was related with the
> ethernet card, and then we tried with others, but that didn't solve it.
>
> Recently he has changed the mother board and, suddently, the Mandrake 9.1
> installation is runing like a charm :-) using the same ethernet card.
>
> So, we think the problem could be related with the mother board; the first
> one was:
>
> Gigabyte 8ST800 with a P4 2.53Ghz 533.
>

Sounds like the apic bug might have bit.  Did you try starting the kernel with 
the noapic boot parameter.  It is a magic fix for newer motherboards and 
nic/usb problems.
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Re: [expert] Bug about Gigabyte motherboard?

[Francisco Alcaraz]

Well,

The main problem with the Gigabyte motherboard was the network; now hi is very 
happy because everthing seem to be runing fine.

Regards

El Martes 15 Julio 2003 22:03, Anne Wilson escribió:
> On Tuesday 15 Jul 2003 8:14 pm, Francisco Alcaraz wrote:
> > Now he has a Intel motherboard with Serial ata.2.
>
> 
>
> Has he noticed any difference?
>
> Anne

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Re: [expert] Bug about Gigabyte motherboard?

[Anne Wilson]

On Tuesday 15 Jul 2003 8:14 pm, Francisco Alcaraz wrote:
>
> Now he has a Intel motherboard with Serial ata.2.
>


Has he noticed any difference?

Anne

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[expert] Bug about Gigabyte motherboard?

[Francisco Alcaraz]

Hello,

A friend of mine had lot of problems to have well recognized a ethernet card 
conected to a cable modem under Mandrake 9.1. In fact it had not network 
runing :-). We thought that the problem was related with the ethernet card, 
and then we tried with others, but that didn't solve it.

Recently he has changed the mother board and, suddently, the Mandrake 9.1 
installation is runing like a charm :-) using the same ethernet card.

So, we think the problem could be related with the mother board; the first one 
was:

Gigabyte 8ST800 with a P4 2.53Ghz 533.


Now he has a Intel motherboard with Serial ata.2.


I have put this message in the list to know if someone has had similar 
problems with this Gigabyte mother board. If the answer is "yes", could be a 
Mandrake bug, a mother board bug, or a linux bug (one or more modules not 
runing as well as we spect).

In the case that it were a Mandrake bug, should be corrected for the 9.2. or, 
better, also for 9.1 :-)

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[expert] bug in split ?

[David Kuestler]

Having trouble piping binary into the split command under Mandrake 9.1
with all the latest updates.

Works fine under RedHat 9

Can someone else confirm a problem ?


#!/bin/sh

# fails after one block
dd bs=1024 count=1024 if=/dev/urandom | split -b 100 - zz0

# fails after variable number of blocks
dd bs=1024 count=1024 if=/dev/urandom | cat | split -b 100 - zz1

# succeeds
dd bs=1024 count=1024 if=/dev/urandom | bzip2 -9 | split -b 100 -
zz2

# succeeds
dd bs=1024 count=1024 if=/dev/urandom of=zz
cat zz | split -b 100 - zz3




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Re: [expert] Bug in Bash ?

[kwan]

On Thu, 12 Dec 2002, Bill Shirley wrote:

> I'm trying to make an bash alias do what I want an things are not
> working as
> expected.
> 
> [root@server1 samba]# alias ta='echo /var/log/samba/log.${1:-smbd}'
> [root@server1 samba]# ta
> /var/log/samba/log.smbd
> [root@server1 samba]# ta server2
> /var/log/samba/log.smbd server2
> 
> I would think the second invocation of ta to produce:
> /var/log/samba/log.server2
> 
> but it doesn't.  Is there something I don't understand?
> 
I think the error you're getting is from when/where the positional
parameters are expanded:
If you do
alias foo='echo x $1 y $2 z $3'
foo a b c
You'll get
xyz abc

This is because it doesn't know about the positionals and is just doing:
echo x $1 y$2 z $3 abc

To get around this you can use a sourced function:

function foo{
  echo x $1 y $2 z $3
}

You can put this in your .bash_profile or .bashrc to be available
anytime.


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Re: [expert] Bug in Bash ?

[Jack Coates]

On Thu, 2002-12-12 at 06:26, Bill Shirley wrote:
> I'm trying to make an bash alias do what I want an things are not
> working as
> expected.
> 
> [root@server1 samba]# alias ta='echo /var/log/samba/log.${1:-smbd}'
> [root@server1 samba]# ta
> /var/log/samba/log.smbd
> [root@server1 samba]# ta server2
> /var/log/samba/log.smbd server2
> 
> I would think the second invocation of ta to produce:
> /var/log/samba/log.server2
> 
> but it doesn't.  Is there something I don't understand?

Not sure what you want, but I can see that 
echo /var/log/samba/log.${1:-smbd}
is going to produce
/var/log/samba/log.smbd
no matter what is in $1. If you want to process $1, you have to call it
in the alias:
alias ta=/var/log/samba/log.$1
That still inserts a space though, and I'm not sure how to remove it:
[jack@chupacabra jack]$ ta beavis
/var/log/samba/log. beavis

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[expert] Bug in Bash ?

[Bill Shirley]

I'm trying to make an bash alias do what I want an things are not
working as
expected.

[root@server1 samba]# alias ta='echo /var/log/samba/log.${1:-smbd}'
[root@server1 samba]# ta
/var/log/samba/log.smbd
[root@server1 samba]# ta server2
/var/log/samba/log.smbd server2

I would think the second invocation of ta to produce:
/var/log/samba/log.server2

but it doesn't.  Is there something I don't understand?

Thanks in advance,

Bill Shirley



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[expert] BUG: Kpaint is broken (think memory-leak)

[Steffen Barszus]

Hi!

Did anyone expierienced that problem too ? If I start kpaint the whole kde 
getting fast slower till nearly unusable. If I xkill kpaint, there is a crash 
of kpaint after 20 s and when the slowness disappear. First discovered that 
on pasting an image in it. Seems to be an open bug on kde.

Greets

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Re: [expert] BUG: drakxconf in Mdk 9.0

[James Sparenberg]

On Tue, 2002-10-29 at 11:02, H.J.Bathoorn wrote:
> On Tuesday 29 October 2002 14:53, Steffen Barszus wrote:
> > On Tuesday 29 October 2002 14:00, Lieven Van Acker wrote:
> > > I did about 6 different installations, and I can confirm this bug in
> > > drakxconf on every single one of the installations I performed.
> >
> > thanks. I had not seen this on my own install since I did not use it at
> > all. But after seeing it at the machine there, I tried it here with the
> > same result, so I dont think its just a fault of my installation. Maybe it
> > depends on a special modul that is not installed on some systems.
> >
> > > Moreover, drakconf simply doesn't work:
> > >
> > > Gtk-WARNING **: invalid cast from (NULL) pointer to 'GtkObject' at
> > > /usr/sbin/drakconf line 857.
> > > Can't call method "set_active" on an undefined value at
> > > /usr/bin/drakconf line 423.
> >
> > Does not have this particular issue here .
> >
> > > I don't know, put the poster of the original message could be
> > > dutch-speaking from the email address. In all of my installs, I also use
> > > dutch-belgian locale. Maybe there's possibly an issue?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Lieven
> >
> > No, I'm german, but maybe the locale thing could be the right direction on
> > discovering these errors. Maybe some other people do have the same
> > problems?
> >
> > An strace on drakxservice shows a lot of :
> >
> > execve("/usr/local/sbin/tinyfirewall", ["tinyfirewall"], [/* 48 vars */]) =
> > -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
> >
> > on the event of choosing Auto Installation
> 
> I've checked on 4 different machines, of which 2 laptops with fresh 9.0 
> installs and the 2 desktops were 8.2 upgrades..drak(x)conf works fine on 
> all of them.
> 
> Admittedly I am Dutch but don't have/use Dutch (or any other) locales so 
> indeed that might be the direction to search:o)
> 
> Good luck,
> Harm
> 
Similar usage and results here as the above person.  Using only English
and Korean Locals all works fine for me.

James

> 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: [expert] BUG: drakxconf in Mdk 9.0

[H.J.Bathoorn]

On Tuesday 29 October 2002 14:53, Steffen Barszus wrote:
> On Tuesday 29 October 2002 14:00, Lieven Van Acker wrote:
> > I did about 6 different installations, and I can confirm this bug in
> > drakxconf on every single one of the installations I performed.
>
> thanks. I had not seen this on my own install since I did not use it at
> all. But after seeing it at the machine there, I tried it here with the
> same result, so I dont think its just a fault of my installation. Maybe it
> depends on a special modul that is not installed on some systems.
>
> > Moreover, drakconf simply doesn't work:
> >
> > Gtk-WARNING **: invalid cast from (NULL) pointer to 'GtkObject' at
> > /usr/sbin/drakconf line 857.
> > Can't call method "set_active" on an undefined value at
> > /usr/bin/drakconf line 423.
>
> Does not have this particular issue here .
>
> > I don't know, put the poster of the original message could be
> > dutch-speaking from the email address. In all of my installs, I also use
> > dutch-belgian locale. Maybe there's possibly an issue?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Lieven
>
> No, I'm german, but maybe the locale thing could be the right direction on
> discovering these errors. Maybe some other people do have the same
> problems?
>
> An strace on drakxservice shows a lot of :
>
> execve("/usr/local/sbin/tinyfirewall", ["tinyfirewall"], [/* 48 vars */]) =
> -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
>
> on the event of choosing Auto Installation

I've checked on 4 different machines, of which 2 laptops with fresh 9.0 
installs and the 2 desktops were 8.2 upgrades..drak(x)conf works fine on 
all of them.

Admittedly I am Dutch but don't have/use Dutch (or any other) locales so 
indeed that might be the direction to search:o)

Good luck,
Harm




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Re: [expert] BUG: drakxconf in Mdk 9.0

[Steffen Barszus]

On Tuesday 29 October 2002 14:00, Lieven Van Acker wrote:
> I did about 6 different installations, and I can confirm this bug in
> drakxconf on every single one of the installations I performed.
>

thanks. I had not seen this on my own install since I did not use it at all. 
But after seeing it at the machine there, I tried it here with the same 
result, so I dont think its just a fault of my installation. Maybe it depends 
on a special modul that is not installed on some systems.


> Moreover, drakconf simply doesn't work:
>
> Gtk-WARNING **: invalid cast from (NULL) pointer to 'GtkObject' at
> /usr/sbin/drakconf line 857.
> Can't call method "set_active" on an undefined value at
> /usr/bin/drakconf line 423.
>

Does not have this particular issue here . 

> I don't know, put the poster of the original message could be
> dutch-speaking from the email address. In all of my installs, I also use
> dutch-belgian locale. Maybe there's possibly an issue?
>
> Regards,
>
> Lieven
>

No, I'm german, but maybe the locale thing could be the right direction on 
discovering these errors. Maybe some other people do have the same problems?

An strace on drakxservice shows a lot of :

execve("/usr/local/sbin/tinyfirewall", ["tinyfirewall"], [/* 48 vars */]) = -1 
ENOENT (No such file or directory)

on the event of choosing Auto Installation



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Re: [expert] BUG: drakxconf in Mdk 9.0

[Lieven Van Acker]

I did about 6 different installations, and I can confirm this bug in
drakxconf on every single one of the installations I performed. 

Moreover, drakconf simply doesn't work:

Gtk-WARNING **: invalid cast from (NULL) pointer to 'GtkObject' at
/usr/sbin/drakconf line 857.
Can't call method "set_active" on an undefined value at
/usr/bin/drakconf line 423.

I don't know, put the poster of the original message could be
dutch-speaking from the email address. In all of my installs, I also use
dutch-belgian locale. Maybe there's possibly an issue?

Regards,

Lieven


On Tue, 2002-10-29 at 13:41, H.J.Bathoorn wrote:
> On Tuesday 29 October 2002 13:16, Steffen Barszus wrote:
> > Hi !
> >
> > I installed Mandrake 9.0 on a computer of our Linux User Group. I have
> > several issues there, but will post them one by one.
> >
> > Since there are some newbies there I tried to show them drakxconf. I was
> > really upset on that tool:
> >
> > calling drakxconf on commandline I got the following menu:
> >
> > - Add new users -> working I think
> > - Boot configuration -> working
> > - Auto installation -> nothing happens
> > - Connection sharing -> calls Auto installation
> > - Display configuration -> calls Connection sharing
> > .
> > and so on and so on.
> >
> > Hope there will be a bugfix-update on that issue. since it is alsmost
> > unusable in the way it is now.
> >
> > Thanks in Advance
> >
> > Steffen
> 
> drakconf and drakxconf work without a hitch over here.
> Methinks there's something awry in the install you did:o)
> 
> Good Luck,
> Harm
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: [expert] BUG: drakxconf in Mdk 9.0

[H.J.Bathoorn]

On Tuesday 29 October 2002 13:16, Steffen Barszus wrote:
> Hi !
>
> I installed Mandrake 9.0 on a computer of our Linux User Group. I have
> several issues there, but will post them one by one.
>
> Since there are some newbies there I tried to show them drakxconf. I was
> really upset on that tool:
>
> calling drakxconf on commandline I got the following menu:
>
> - Add new users -> working I think
> - Boot configuration -> working
> - Auto installation -> nothing happens
> - Connection sharing -> calls Auto installation
> - Display configuration -> calls Connection sharing
> .
> and so on and so on.
>
> Hope there will be a bugfix-update on that issue. since it is alsmost
> unusable in the way it is now.
>
> Thanks in Advance
>
> Steffen

drakconf and drakxconf work without a hitch over here.
Methinks there's something awry in the install you did:o)

Good Luck,
Harm




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[expert] BUG: drakxconf in Mdk 9.0

[Steffen Barszus]

Hi !

I installed Mandrake 9.0 on a computer of our Linux User Group. I have several 
issues there, but will post them one by one.

Since there are some newbies there I tried to show them drakxconf. I was 
really upset on that tool:

calling drakxconf on commandline I got the following menu:

- Add new users -> working I think
- Boot configuration -> working
- Auto installation -> nothing happens
- Connection sharing -> calls Auto installation
- Display configuration -> calls Connection sharing
.
and so on and so on. 

Hope there will be a bugfix-update on that issue. since it is alsmost unusable 
in the way it is now.

Thanks in Advance

Steffen


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[expert] BUG: service lircd assume modules in wrong places

[Steffen Barszus]

HI!

I wondered why lircd was not starting on my machine, so I read trough the 
scripts and saw the following :
/etc/rc.d/init.d/lircd:
 [ -f /lib/modules/`uname -r`/misc/$HWMOD.o ] \
 && insmod $HWMOD $DRIVER_OPTS > /dev/null

#locate lirc_

/lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/3rdparty/lirc/lirc_parallel.o.gz
/lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/3rdparty/lirc/lirc_dev.o.gz
/lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/3rdparty/lirc/lirc_gpio.o.gz
/lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/3rdparty/lirc/lirc_i2c.o.gz
/lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/3rdparty/lirc/lirc_it87.o.gz
/lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/3rdparty/lirc/lirc_serial.o.gz
/lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/3rdparty/mod_dvb/lirc_dvb.o.gz
/lib/modules/2.4.19-17mdk/kernel/3rdparty/lirc/lirc_parallel.o.gz
/lib/modules/2.4.19-17mdk/kernel/3rdparty/lirc/lirc_dev.o.gz
/lib/modules/2.4.19-17mdk/kernel/3rdparty/lirc/lirc_gpio.o.gz
/lib/modules/2.4.19-17mdk/kernel/3rdparty/lirc/lirc_i2c.o.gz
/lib/modules/2.4.19-17mdk/kernel/3rdparty/lirc/lirc_it87.o.gz
/lib/modules/2.4.19-17mdk/kernel/3rdparty/lirc/lirc_serial.o.gz
/lib/modules/2.4.19-17mdk/kernel/3rdparty/mod_dvb/lirc_dvb.o.gz

So there are some glitches in there 

1.) Assuming the module is uncompressed
2.) Assuming the module is in 'uname -r'/misc

changin the line in 

 [ -f /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/3rdparty/lirc/$HWMOD.o.gz ] \
 && insmod $HWMOD $DRIVER_OPTS > /dev/null

results in a working lircd service. 

No need to ask ,why  modprobe is not used to decide if the module is there and 
loadable or not , I think. Could this be changed for Cooker ? 

Greats

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Re: [expert] Bug in g++ optimizer

[dfox]

> The program that show the bug is this (printf added by me, confirue
> just relies on returned value):

Hmm. What does the generated code do? (g++ -S)

I might take a look, althouigh I'm not an expert at reading assembly.

Still a minor point -- you are comparing floats for exactness. Does the
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Re: [expert] Bug.... maybe maybe not.

[James]

On Mon, 1 Jul 2002 23:41:36 -0700
Todd Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said with temporary authority

> James wrote on Mon, Jul 01, 2002 at 08:32:44PM + :
> > 
> > I've now got another box doing the same thing but not as often.  It
> > too has an intel all in one Mobo.  What kind I'm not sure as this
> > box is an
> 
> service apmd stop
> chkconfig apmd off

already done
> 
> Install another fan (ie keep the CPU/HD cooler than they are now).

CPU core temp never gets above 35.5C so cooling is not a problem (box
has hdd fans chasiss fan and CPU fan. )> 
> Compile a custom kernel removing some things that you know you don't
> use (saw that comment from someone elsewhere in the thread and I think
> it's a good idea).

Doing that one next.  

James

> 
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Re: [expert] Bug.... maybe maybe not.

[Todd Lyons]

James wrote on Mon, Jul 01, 2002 at 08:32:44PM + :
> 
> I've now got another box doing the same thing but not as often.  It too
> has an intel all in one Mobo.  What kind I'm not sure as this box is an

service apmd stop
chkconfig apmd off

Install another fan (ie keep the CPU/HD cooler than they are now).

Compile a custom kernel removing some things that you know you don't
use (saw that comment from someone elsewhere in the thread and I think
it's a good idea).

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Re: [expert] Bug.... maybe maybe not.

[James]

On Mon, 1 Jul 2002 18:50:43 -0700
Todd Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said with temporary authority

> James wrote on Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 11:55:34PM + :
> > 
> > before it starts loosing stability.  Lose of stability comes in the
> > form of programs won't start or die suddenly etc.  Then when this
> > starts to happen I know to reboot the box and I'm back to normal. 
> > Top shows no runaway  programs CPU usage generally stays below 40%
> > bit a mean average of about 20% (I really don't do anything that
> > intense)  Swap never
> 
> Other suggestions:
> 1) 'killall artsd'  (assuming you're running KDE, you won't be able to
> share /dev/dsp anymore)
Did it already. No change.

> 2) Any Western Digital hard drives?
I've been around to long to make that mistake. *grin*

> 3) 'dmesg'  Look for any kind of errors accessing the hard drive.
None.  That's why the 80gig . hdparm has it at 56mbps
This number stays relatively consistant.  When the box starts "dying"
however hdparm like other applications can't start.

> 4) 'hdparm -t /dev/hda' or whatever your hard drive is.  Do it right
> after bootup, and do it when it starts to slow down, and do it when
> it's barely crawling.

No changes.  It doesn't slow down... things just start dieing or being
unable to start.  Speed of the drives doesn't change a bit.  

> 5) If you ssh to it from another box, is it strange there as well
> (trying to rule out the display as a culprit).
Yes it can be strange.  If X dies I have about 2 - 3 minutes before the
box locks up totally.  Can't even SSH into it but if I'm already in the
session doesn't die... just the box is locked to input from keyboard.

I've now got another box doing the same thing but not as often.  It too
has an intel all in one Mobo.  What kind I'm not sure as this box is an
HP Pavillion  It's been running Mandrake Linux since 7.2.  With RH 6.4
and SuSe 6.2 on it before that.  The only commonality between them
otherwise is that both run KDE3 instead of KDE2.2.  That and the fact
that they both use the i810 drivers (the pavillion is i810 the ASUS is
i815 chipsets. or their drivers.)  One point to note, when lilo is set
to devfs=mount and I do ctrl-alt-f1(or any other f key)  X dies within
seconds of the switch and requires a reboot in order to restart it. 
(Same case on both boxes)  One point to note.  I've got 2 k-6's and 1
pentium  running the same software setup that are rock solid.  (the
pentium is dog slow but solid.)  Maybe it is the chipset.  I've put in
an older Voodoo video card I had (PCI) and a trident AGP without change.
 So it's probably not the onboard video.  As always thanks for the help.
 My next step on this box is to install FreeBSD into a spare partition
for dual booting and see if conditions are the same.  > 
> Blue skies... Todd
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Re: [expert] Bug.... maybe maybe not.

[Todd Lyons]

James wrote on Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 11:55:34PM + :
> 
> before it starts loosing stability.  Lose of stability comes in the form
> of programs won't start or die suddenly etc.  Then when this starts to
> happen I know to reboot the box and I'm back to normal.  Top shows no
> runaway  programs CPU usage generally stays below 40% bit a mean average
> of about 20% (I really don't do anything that intense)  Swap never

Other suggestions:
1) 'killall artsd'  (assuming you're running KDE, you won't be able to
share /dev/dsp anymore)
2) Any Western Digital hard drives?
3) 'dmesg'  Look for any kind of errors accessing the hard drive.
4) 'hdparm -t /dev/hda' or whatever your hard drive is.  Do it right
after bootup, and do it when it starts to slow down, and do it when it's
barely crawling.
5) If you ssh to it from another box, is it strange there as well
(trying to rule out the display as a culprit).

Blue skies...   Todd
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Re: [expert] Bug.... maybe maybe not.

[Randy Kramer]

James wrote:
> Sorry it took so long to get back. I'm approaching stable.. I
> removed devfsd.  However all it's really done is lengthen the time
> between reboots.  The box can sit on but unused for about 10 hours or so
> before it starts loosing stability.  Lose of stability comes in the form
> of programs won't start or die suddenly etc.  Then when this starts to
> happen I know to reboot the box and I'm back to normal.  Top shows no
> runaway  programs CPU usage generally stays below 40% bit a mean average
> of about 20% (I really don't do anything that intense)  

Hmm, your load sounds fairly high to me -- when I'm not doing anything
the load sits around 1 - 1.5% system and 0% user, and depending on what
I'm doing the user load varies significantly -- anywhere from 1 to
100%.  Just an observation, don't have any idea whether it is a
meaningful difference or is related at all to your problem.

I run Mandrake 8.2 on a 700 MHz Duron with 256 MB Ram.  Still at kde
2.2, not running sound or any servers.

Randy Kramer

> Swap never
> occurs on this box as I have 384 megs ram.  Ran MemTest for 12 hours and
> memory checks fine.  This same box ran 8.1 fine for about 4 months.  The
> kernel I'm using now and before under 8.1 is a win4lin kernel.  Hardware
> 
> 1.  ASUS TUSL-2 Motherboard.
> 2.  3c905c Nic
> 3.  SBLive Sound
> 4.  OnBoard Video
> 5.  Maxtor 80gb HDD
> 6.  384 megs ram
> 7. floppy
> 8. ASUS CDRW
> 
> Running XFree86 4.0.2 from the distro.  KDE3 instead of KDE2.(texstar
> version) All updates are current.



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Re: [expert] Bug.... maybe maybe not.

[James]

On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 20:43:00 -0700
James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said with temporary authority

> On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 18:38:41 -0700
> Todd Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said with temporary authority
> 
> > James wrote on Sun, Jun 23, 2002 at 06:04:16PM -0700 :
> > > Oh the wording is mine... it goes to runlevel 5 supposedly.  But X
> > > etc cannot start.  NO error messages just a hang.  Leaving the
> > > box alone for an hour results in a box that cannot be ssh'd into
> > > and is totally frozen.  No error messages.  No log records it
> > > seems that X and Linux think they are ok  just it's not
> > > working.  X never fails.. nor does
> > 
> > If you run top with a refresh rate of 1 second, do you slowly see
> > the load climbing? 
> 
> Haven't tried that will do later tonight and report... right now I've
> got to finish a web page. *grin*
> 
>  If you do ps ax frequently do you see processes with a
> > status of "D"?
> 
> I've looked for D and Z listings.  None found.  
> 
>   Just trying to isolate exactly what it is that is
> > causing the system to come to a crawl.  If it's in kernel space, it
> > could be very difficult to determine what it is that's causing it.
> > 
> > Do you have a zip drive?  If so, delete the /etc/cron.hourly/msec
> > and/etc/cron.daily/msec links and see if the symptoms remain the
> > same.
> 
> No Zip but I did remove msec . mostly cause I'm to lazy to make
> all the hand changes I needed to. *grin*
> 
> > 
> > Blue skies...   Todd
> 
> Todd one last thing thanks

Sorry it took so long to get back. I'm approaching stable.. I
removed devfsd.  However all it's really done is lengthen the time
between reboots.  The box can sit on but unused for about 10 hours or so
before it starts loosing stability.  Lose of stability comes in the form
of programs won't start or die suddenly etc.  Then when this starts to
happen I know to reboot the box and I'm back to normal.  Top shows no
runaway  programs CPU usage generally stays below 40% bit a mean average
of about 20% (I really don't do anything that intense)  Swap never
occurs on this box as I have 384 megs ram.  Ran MemTest for 12 hours and
memory checks fine.  This same box ran 8.1 fine for about 4 months.  The
kernel I'm using now and before under 8.1 is a win4lin kernel.  Hardware

1.  ASUS TUSL-2 Motherboard.
2.  3c905c Nic
3.  SBLive Sound
4.  OnBoard Video
5.  Maxtor 80gb HDD
6.  384 megs ram
7. floppy
8. ASUS CDRW

Running XFree86 4.0.2 from the distro.  KDE3 instead of KDE2.(texstar
version) All updates are current.

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Re: [expert] Bug.... maybe maybe not.

[James]

On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 21:29:42 -0400
daRcmaTTeR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said with temporary authority

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> Todd Lyons wrote:
> | James wrote on Sun, Jun 23, 2002 at 12:43:38PM -0700 :
> |
> |>   Where I don't dispute the intent I'm having fits with the
> |>   results. Oh and for my camera and my usb printer.  They haven't
> |>   changed functionality since I got rid of devfs.  Maybe because
> |>   devfs set them up at first.  I'm just getting tired of rebooting
> |>   Linux.
> |
> |
> | Have you tried just changing to single user mode, then back to your
> | regular mode?  Many times changing runlevels will fix some oddities
> | (but not always).  You might have to go one step further and remove
> | some modules so that when you switch back to runlevel 3 (text login)
> | or 5(graphical login), it will load the required modules back.  If
> | something is funky with the modules in kernel-space though, you
> | might get the busy error message.  The only advice I can offer is
> | remove the modules in
> 
> O yeah...I've been seeing that one alot lately on the one Mandrake
> client when it tries to umount the samba shares being shared from the
> server. they're always busy for some reason and don't want to unmount.
> 
> Linux to Linux Samba shares is not a fun thing I'm finding out.
> 
> Mark

Yep Single user mode is runlevel 1  but it won't go back to runlevel
5 completely.  At runlevel one no modules are loaded so then when I
telinit 5 ... all get reloaded (without error I might add).Also this
happens no matter what window manager I use.  If I leave the box on at
night ... in the am applications can't start, and the box slowly loses
X.  The error at this point in XFree86.0.log was somthing like ( I lost
this log entry during a hard crash... scrambled var/log.) X session died
unexpectedly  no other entry or info.  

James

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Re: [expert] Bug.... maybe maybe not.

[James]

On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 18:38:41 -0700
Todd Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said with temporary authority

> James wrote on Sun, Jun 23, 2002 at 06:04:16PM -0700 :
> > Oh the wording is mine... it goes to runlevel 5 supposedly.  But X
> > etc cannot start.  NO error messages just a hang.  Leaving the
> > box alone for an hour results in a box that cannot be ssh'd into and
> > is totally frozen.  No error messages.  No log records it seems that
> > X and Linux think they are ok  just it's not working.  X never
> > fails.. nor does
> 
> If you run top with a refresh rate of 1 second, do you slowly see the
> load climbing? 

Haven't tried that will do later tonight and report... right now I've
got to finish a web page. *grin*

 If you do ps ax frequently do you see processes with a
> status of "D"?

I've looked for D and Z listings.  None found.  

  Just trying to isolate exactly what it is that is
> causing the system to come to a crawl.  If it's in kernel space, it
> could be very difficult to determine what it is that's causing it.
> 
> Do you have a zip drive?  If so, delete the /etc/cron.hourly/msec and
> /etc/cron.daily/msec links and see if the symptoms remain the same.

No Zip but I did remove msec . mostly cause I'm to lazy to make all
the hand changes I needed to. *grin*

> 
> Blue skies... Todd

Todd one last thing thanks

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Re: [expert] Bug.... maybe maybe not.

[Todd Lyons]

James wrote on Sun, Jun 23, 2002 at 06:04:16PM -0700 :
> Oh the wording is mine... it goes to runlevel 5 supposedly.  But X etc
> cannot start.  NO error messages just a hang.  Leaving the box alone
> for an hour results in a box that cannot be ssh'd into and is totally
> frozen.  No error messages.  No log records it seems that X and Linux
> think they are ok  just it's not working.  X never fails.. nor does

If you run top with a refresh rate of 1 second, do you slowly see the
load climbing?  If you do ps ax frequently do you see processes with a
status of "D"?  Just trying to isolate exactly what it is that is
causing the system to come to a crawl.  If it's in kernel space, it
could be very difficult to determine what it is that's causing it.

Do you have a zip drive?  If so, delete the /etc/cron.hourly/msec and
/etc/cron.daily/msec links and see if the symptoms remain the same.

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| James wrote on Sun, Jun 23, 2002 at 12:43:38PM -0700 :
|
|>   Where I don't dispute the intent I'm having fits with the results.
|>Oh and for my camera and my usb printer.  They haven't changed
|>functionality since I got rid of devfs.  Maybe because devfs set them up
|>at first.  I'm just getting tired of rebooting Linux.
|
|
| Have you tried just changing to single user mode, then back to your
| regular mode?  Many times changing runlevels will fix some oddities (but
| not always).  You might have to go one step further and remove some
| modules so that when you switch back to runlevel 3 (text login) or 5
| (graphical login), it will load the required modules back.  If something
| is funky with the modules in kernel-space though, you might get the busy
| error message.  The only advice I can offer is remove the modules in

O yeah...I've been seeing that one alot lately on the one Mandrake
client when it tries to umount the samba shares being shared from the
server. they're always busy for some reason and don't want to unmount.

Linux to Linux Samba shares is not a fun thing I'm finding out.

Mark

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Re: [expert] Bug.... maybe maybe not.

[James]

Oh the wording is mine... it goes to runlevel 5 supposedly.  But X etc
cannot start.  NO error messages just a hang.  Leaving the box alone
for an hour results in a box that cannot be ssh'd into and is totally
frozen.  No error messages.  No log records it seems that X and Linux
think they are ok  just it's not working.  X never fails.. nor does
it start.  At all times I get a message in ps-ax that kdm is trying to
start.  If I do a killall X or try to kill the start for kdm it can't
kill it.  I have to go back to runlevel 3 via telinit.  StartX from
runlevel 3 at that point hangs in a simular manor.  I've restarted xfs
and it restarts and runs without error.  Once I leave runlevel 5 the
only way to return to a functional runlevel 5 environment is via a 
reboot.  

James


On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 17:42:36 -0700
Todd Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said with temporary authority

> James wrote on Sun, Jun 23, 2002 at 04:32:14PM -0700 :
> > 
> > Yep first thing I did..  telinit 3 . cannot return to runlevel 5
> > telinit 1 cannot return to run level 5 .. reboot.
> 
> What do you mean "cannot return to runlevel 5"?  That's an error
> message I've never seen before.  Same thing happens if you just run
> 'init 5'? Should since it's just a symlink, but just curious.
> 
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Re: [expert] Bug.... maybe maybe not.

[Todd Lyons]

James wrote on Sun, Jun 23, 2002 at 04:32:14PM -0700 :
> 
> Yep first thing I did..  telinit 3 . cannot return to runlevel 5
> telinit 1 cannot return to run level 5 .. reboot.

What do you mean "cannot return to runlevel 5"?  That's an error message
I've never seen before.  Same thing happens if you just run 'init 5'?
Should since it's just a symlink, but just curious.

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Re: [expert] Bug.... maybe maybe not.

[James]

On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 14:59:46 -0700
Todd Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said with temporary authority

> James wrote on Sun, Jun 23, 2002 at 12:43:38PM -0700 :
> >Where I don't dispute the intent I'm having fits with the
> >results. Oh and for my camera and my usb printer.  They haven't
> >changed functionality since I got rid of devfs.  Maybe because
> >devfs set them up at first.  I'm just getting tired of rebooting
> >Linux.
> 
> Have you tried just changing to single user mode, then back to your
> regular mode?  Many times changing runlevels will fix some oddities
> (but not always).  You might have to go one step further and remove
> some modules so that when you switch back to runlevel 3 (text login)
> or 5(graphical login), it will load the required modules back.  If
> something is funky with the modules in kernel-space though, you might
> get the busy error message.  The only advice I can offer is remove the
> modules in opposite order that they are dependent.  For example, in
> the following:
> 
> sg 30180   0  (autoclean) (unused)
> st 27316   0  (autoclean) (unused)
> sr_mod 15160   0  (autoclean) (unused)
> sd_mod 11644   0  (autoclean) (unused)
> scsi_mod   92488   4  (autoclean) [sg st sr_mod sd_mod]
> 
> I won't be able to remove scsi_mod first.  I would have to rmmod sg,
> then st, then sr_mod, then sd_mod.  Only then would I be able to
> remove scsi_mod.
> 
> Blue skies... Todd
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>   that would also stop you from doing clever things. -- Doug Gwyn
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Yep first thing I did..  telinit 3 . cannot return to runlevel 5
telinit 1 cannot return to run level 5 .. reboot.

James

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Re: [expert] Bug.... maybe maybe not.

[James]

On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 11:40:20 -0700
Todd Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said with temporary authority

> daRcmaTTeR wrote on Sun, Jun 23, 2002 at 02:32:04PM -0400 :
> > 
> > It's been my personal experience in the past 6 months that devfs is 
> > totally and completely the spawn of satan. I don't forsee any true 
> 
> Satan might like you, but I'm his favorite.  -- a coworker
> 
> > usefullness coming from this particular part of Mandrake's inner 
> > workings other then LOTS of severe user frustration. personally I
> > think "IT" should be forever scuttled and banned from the landscape
> > of so wonderful an OS never to be seen or heard from againEVER!
> 
> On a server where things don't change much,  yes.
> On a desktop where external drives are being hotplugged via firewire
> and USB, it needs to be there or the functionality will not appear on
> the desktop without manual configuration.  Usability is where it's
> headed folks, and making it usable without being a rocket scientist is
> what's required for your Grandmother, for you girlfriend's mom, for
> the kid down the street, etc.
> 
> Blue skies... Todd (speaking only for himself,
>   not in any official capacity)

Todd,
   Where I don't dispute the intent I'm having fits with the results. 
Oh and for my camera and my usb printer.  They haven't changed
functionality since I got rid of devfs.  Maybe because devfs set them up
at first.  I'm just getting tired of rebooting Linux.

James

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Re: [expert] Bug.... maybe maybe not.

[Todd Lyons]

Praedor Tempus wrote on Sun, Jun 23, 2002 at 04:33:49PM -0500 :

> Since installing 8.2, however, I have to manually remove the system's 
> insistent retardation of setting /dev/modem -> /dev/ttyS0 ->/dev/tts/0.  This 
> does not exist on my system yet devfs does it every time.  

rm -f /lib/dev-state/modem

One of the things that devfsd does when it boots up is that it restores
the contents of /lib/dev-state/* to /dev/.  Remove that file (symlink
actually) and it will quit putting it in /dev.  Then when you load the
lucent module, it will register with devfs which will then create the
LT* device(s) you need.

Blue skies...   Todd
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Re: [expert] Bug.... maybe maybe not.

[Todd Lyons]

James wrote on Sun, Jun 23, 2002 at 12:43:38PM -0700 :
>Where I don't dispute the intent I'm having fits with the results. 
> Oh and for my camera and my usb printer.  They haven't changed
> functionality since I got rid of devfs.  Maybe because devfs set them up
> at first.  I'm just getting tired of rebooting Linux.

Have you tried just changing to single user mode, then back to your
regular mode?  Many times changing runlevels will fix some oddities (but
not always).  You might have to go one step further and remove some
modules so that when you switch back to runlevel 3 (text login) or 5
(graphical login), it will load the required modules back.  If something
is funky with the modules in kernel-space though, you might get the busy
error message.  The only advice I can offer is remove the modules in
opposite order that they are dependent.  For example, in the following:

sg 30180   0  (autoclean) (unused)
st 27316   0  (autoclean) (unused)
sr_mod 15160   0  (autoclean) (unused)
sd_mod 11644   0  (autoclean) (unused)
scsi_mod   92488   4  (autoclean) [sg st sr_mod sd_mod]

I won't be able to remove scsi_mod first.  I would have to rmmod sg,
then st, then sr_mod, then sd_mod.  Only then would I be able to remove
scsi_mod.

Blue skies...   Todd
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Re: [expert] Bug.... maybe maybe not.

[Praedor Tempus]

On Sunday 23 June 2002 04:26 pm, daRcmaTTeR wrote:
> jerry wrote:
> > On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 14:32:04 -0400
> >
> > daRcmaTTeR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>"IT" should be forever scuttled and banned from the landscape of so
> >>wonderful an OS never to be seen or heard from againEVER!
> >
> > (as a result:  there's no way they're taking it out now, especially if
> > they read messages from people who don't like it)  lol  ;-P
>
> well...to be totally honest I "do" see its need and usefulness, however
> I've been so blessed as to have had the privilege to *not* have had a
> good experience with the little bugger. it doesn't like my Handspring
> Visor. :(

It also doesn't like the winmodem in my laptop (but then, who LIKES 
winmodems?).  I am "happily" using the winmodem as a linmodem using the 
ltmodem drivers.  Works great.  Problem is, it is but a passing thing since 
installing 8.2.  In Mandrake 8.1, I also had the ltmodem driver installed and 
working - and it was permanent.  It worked with every bootup and login.
Since installing 8.2, however, I have to manually remove the system's 
insistent retardation of setting /dev/modem -> /dev/ttyS0 ->/dev/tts/0.  This 
does not exist on my system yet devfs does it every time.  

Upon bootup, I have to rm -f /dev/modem and then rerun the ltmodem "checkout" 
script to get the symlink to point to /dev/tts/LT0, created for devfs by same 
script.  Unfortunately, the script is interactive so I cannot simply put it 
in /etc/rc.d or other and have it work every bootup.  

In a word, devfs SUCKS.  Always has, always will.  The end.

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Re: [expert] Bug.... maybe maybe not.

[daRcmaTTeR]

jerry wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 14:32:04 -0400
> daRcmaTTeR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
>>"IT" should be forever scuttled and banned from the landscape of so 
>>wonderful an OS never to be seen or heard from againEVER!
> 
> 
> (as a result:  there's no way they're taking it out now, especially if they read 
>messages from people who don't like it)  lol  ;-P
> 

well...to be totally honest I "do" see its need and usefulness, however 
I've been so blessed as to have had the privilege to *not* have had a 
good experience with the little bugger. it doesn't like my Handspring 
Visor. :(

Mark





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Re: [expert] Bug.... maybe maybe not.

[jerry]

On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 14:32:04 -0400
daRcmaTTeR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> "IT" should be forever scuttled and banned from the landscape of so 
> wonderful an OS never to be seen or heard from againEVER!

(as a result:  there's no way they're taking it out now, especially if they read 
messages from people who don't like it)  lol  ;-P



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Re: [expert] Bug.... maybe maybe not.

[Todd Lyons]

daRcmaTTeR wrote on Sun, Jun 23, 2002 at 02:32:04PM -0400 :
> 
> It's been my personal experience in the past 6 months that devfs is 
> totally and completely the spawn of satan. I don't forsee any true 

Satan might like you, but I'm his favorite.  -- a coworker

> usefullness coming from this particular part of Mandrake's inner 
> workings other then LOTS of severe user frustration. personally I think 
> "IT" should be forever scuttled and banned from the landscape of so 
> wonderful an OS never to be seen or heard from againEVER!

On a server where things don't change much,  yes.
On a desktop where external drives are being hotplugged via firewire and
USB, it needs to be there or the functionality will not appear on the
desktop without manual configuration.  Usability is where it's headed
folks, and making it usable without being a rocket scientist is what's
required for your Grandmother, for you girlfriend's mom, for the kid
down the street, etc.

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  not in any official capacity)
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Re: [expert] Bug.... maybe maybe not.

[daRcmaTTeR]

James wrote:
> All,
> 
>Got an interesting problem here.  It concerns everyones favorite
> subject devfs ... I've done 12 installs so far with 8.2, on 10 of the
> boxes /dev/video1-4 where created without a problem on two of the
> boxes  not there at all.  So just for fun on one I reinstalled 8.2 4
> times ( I use the auto-install from a disk so it's not as painful as it
> sounds.)  3 times it created the devs 1 time it didn't.  Has anyone else
> noted this?  Why I noticed is.
> 
>   1.  My companies product uses/looks for  /dev/video 
> 
>   2.  KDE crashes - in fact total video access is frozen.  This seems to
> be occuring when these devs aren't on the box, and it happens frequently
> on them. Near as I can tell, when they are gone the box grabs any dev it
> can to use as the video device. (not sure on this so don't quote me.)  
> 
>   The only way to fix it is to create the devices manually after having
> made sure that lilo has append devfs=nomount and I've booted this way. 
> Is there any way to tell what the box is using instead of /dev/video if
> it doesn't create it?  
> 
> 
> James
> 

James,

It's been my personal experience in the past 6 months that devfs is 
totally and completely the spawn of satan. I don't forsee any true 
usefullness coming from this particular part of Mandrake's inner 
workings other then LOTS of severe user frustration. personally I think 
"IT" should be forever scuttled and banned from the landscape of so 
wonderful an OS never to be seen or heard from againEVER!

Mark





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Re: [expert] BUG - X4.2 or X3.3.6 and I128 Video

[Charles A Edwards]

On Mon, 06 May 2002 12:19:35 -0500
David Rankin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Well, that's a possibility. I thought about rpm -e  packages
> and then rpm -Uvh  packages from the LM7.2 distro. I just was
> really interested in understanding the problem in 4.2 and seeeing if it could be
> fixed before I went back to 4.01.
> 
> 

Since previously trying to assist you I too have been puzzled with the problem you are 
having in 8.2

Since I do not have the same vid card I can not test or verify the conclusion I have 
reached, none the less I believe it to be true. 

With X-3.3.6 the i128 driver is installed as a separate pkg XFree86-i128-3.3.6 but in 
both 8.1 and 8.2 the i128 should have been  pre-built and and included as a module in 
the kernel.
It appears that this module is not being loaded or not being loaded when it needs to 
be.

Try running modprobe i128_drv.0 and then start X.(That is the fullname, it may need to 
be entered as simply i128).

You could also try installing XFree86-i128-4.2.0.
The only rpm of this I was able to find is an i386 from Conectiva so I do not know if 
it would even work with mdk 8.2.
Alternatively you could try the CVS repository at XFree.org.


Charles 
 



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Re: [expert] BUG - X4.2 or X3.3.6 and I128 Video

[Larry Sword]

Since you have read just about everything you may have read and tried 
these, I'll reference just in case.

http://www.xfree.org/4.2.0/I128.html

http://www.xfree.org/4.2.0/i128.4.html


I suppose you have checked you xf86config file for any miss configured 
lines?

Larry




David Rankin wrote:

> Guys and Gals:
> 
> I think I can safely call it a bug now. After an exhaustive search
> or xfree.org, Mandrake expert & newbie, and querrying the Mandrake chat
> rooms, there are no answers why X4.2 and X3.3.6 that ship with LM 8.2
> will NOT work with my #9 Imagine 128 video card. Others have had similar
> problems, with no answers found (see below google query on "addscreen
> screeninit I128")
> 
> 
> [Newbie]X 4.0.2 problems with I128
> ... B]E [21] -1 0xfc00 - 0xfcff (0x100) IX[B](B) (--) I128(0):
> Mapping memory
> Fatal server error: AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0 When
> reporting a ...
> www.xfree86.org/pipermail/newbie/ 2001-February/005730.html - 21k -
> Cached - Similar pages
> 
>  [Newbie]Another one with an XFree86 problem
>  ... B]E [19] -1 0xfc00 - 0xfcff (0x100) IX[B](B) (--)
> I128(0): Mapping memory
>  Fatal server error: AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0 When
> reporting a ...
>  www.xfree86.org/pipermail/newbie/ 2001-December/012781.html - 19k -
> Cached - Similar pages
>  [ More results from www.xfree86.org ]
> 
> XFree 4.1.0 and I128 (was How to Upgrade from Potato to Woody?)
> ... 0x6000 - 0x60ff (0x100) IX[B](B) | (-- I128(0): Mapping
> memory | | Fatal
> server error: | AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0 | | | When
> reporting ...
> se.debian.net/lists/debian-user/2002/03/msg00490.html - 29k - Cached
> 
>>From 4.02 on, the I128 fails after 'preinit' with the following error:
> 
> (--) I128(0): Mapping memory
> Fatal server error: AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0
> 
> Recall from my earlier posts, X works fine in the LM7.2 distro with
> X4.01
> 
> I've re-installed from original d/l, then re-downloaded, re-burned,
> re-md5sumed, re-installed with fresh ISO's. I've XFdraked and
> xf86configed every conceivable way possible, 640x480 to 1280x1024, all
> color depths, generic monitors, chosen my NEC Accusynd 95F monitor, and
> nothing helps.
> 
> With X4.2, startx bombs with the error  Fatal server error:
> AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0
> 
> With 3.3.6, startx bombs (or hangs) with the error Fatal server error:
> no screens found
> 
> I am out of answers. I don't think it would be productive for me to try
> to recompile the I128 server by hand (God knows it would never work
> then)
> 
> DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS OTHER THAN "BUY A NEW VIDEO CARD"
> 
> I guess the real question is "what changed in the I128 sever between
> 4.01 and 4.2?" 4.01 is still working fine in LM7.2 on the same machine.
> X4.2 or X3.3.6 will not start under LM8.2 on the same machine.
> 
> Out of answers, probably spent 30 hours digging into this and I really,
> really need help.
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [expert] BUG - X4.2 or X3.3.6 and I128 Video

[David Rankin]

Well, that's a possibility. I thought about rpm -e  packages
and then rpm -Uvh  packages from the LM7.2 distro. I just was
really interested in understanding the problem in 4.2 and seeeing if it could be
fixed before I went back to 4.01.

Carroll Grigsby wrote:

> On Monday 06 May 2002 10:21 am, you wrote:
> > Guys and Gals:
> >
> > I think I can safely call it a bug now. After an exhaustive search
> > or xfree.org, Mandrake expert & newbie, and querrying the Mandrake chat
> > rooms, there are no answers why X4.2 and X3.3.6 that ship with LM 8.2
> > will NOT work with my #9 Imagine 128 video card. Others have had similar
> > problems, with no answers found (see below google query on "addscreen
> > screeninit I128")
> >
> >
> > [Newbie]X 4.0.2 problems with I128
> > ... B]E [21] -1 0xfc00 - 0xfcff (0x100) IX[B](B) (--) I128(0):
> > Mapping memory
> > Fatal server error: AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0 When
> > reporting a ...
> > www.xfree86.org/pipermail/newbie/ 2001-February/005730.html - 21k -
> > Cached - Similar pages
> >
> >  [Newbie]Another one with an XFree86 problem
> >  ... B]E [19] -1 0xfc00 - 0xfcff (0x100) IX[B](B) (--)
> > I128(0): Mapping memory
> >  Fatal server error: AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0 When
> > reporting a ...
> >  www.xfree86.org/pipermail/newbie/ 2001-December/012781.html - 19k -
> > Cached - Similar pages
> >  [ More results from www.xfree86.org ]
> >
> > XFree 4.1.0 and I128 (was How to Upgrade from Potato to Woody?)
> > ... 0x6000 - 0x60ff (0x100) IX[B](B) | (-- I128(0): Mapping
> > memory | | Fatal
> > server error: | AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0 | | | When
> > reporting ...
> > se.debian.net/lists/debian-user/2002/03/msg00490.html - 29k - Cached
> >
> > From 4.02 on, the I128 fails after 'preinit' with the following error:
> >
> > (--) I128(0): Mapping memory
> > Fatal server error: AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0
> >
> > Recall from my earlier posts, X works fine in the LM7.2 distro with
> > X4.01
> >
> > I've re-installed from original d/l, then re-downloaded, re-burned,
> > re-md5sumed, re-installed with fresh ISO's. I've XFdraked and
> > xf86configed every conceivable way possible, 640x480 to 1280x1024, all
> > color depths, generic monitors, chosen my NEC Accusynd 95F monitor, and
> > nothing helps.
> >
> > With X4.2, startx bombs with the error  Fatal server error:
> > AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0
> >
> > With 3.3.6, startx bombs (or hangs) with the error Fatal server error:
> > no screens found
> >
> > I am out of answers. I don't think it would be productive for me to try
> > to recompile the I128 server by hand (God knows it would never work
> > then)
> >
> > DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS OTHER THAN "BUY A NEW VIDEO CARD"
> >
> > I guess the real question is "what changed in the I128 sever between
> > 4.01 and 4.2?" 4.01 is still working fine in LM7.2 on the same machine.
> > X4.2 or X3.3.6 will not start under LM8.2 on the same machine.
> >
> > Out of answers, probably spent 30 hours digging into this and I really,
> > really need help.
>
> David:
> What would be the downside of replacing 4.2 with 4.01 (other than pushing you
> over the edge)?
> -- cmg
>
>   
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Re: [expert] BUG - X4.2 or X3.3.6 and I128 Video

[Carroll Grigsby]

On Monday 06 May 2002 10:21 am, you wrote:
> Guys and Gals:
>
> I think I can safely call it a bug now. After an exhaustive search
> or xfree.org, Mandrake expert & newbie, and querrying the Mandrake chat
> rooms, there are no answers why X4.2 and X3.3.6 that ship with LM 8.2
> will NOT work with my #9 Imagine 128 video card. Others have had similar
> problems, with no answers found (see below google query on "addscreen
> screeninit I128")
>
>
> [Newbie]X 4.0.2 problems with I128
> ... B]E [21] -1 0xfc00 - 0xfcff (0x100) IX[B](B) (--) I128(0):
> Mapping memory
> Fatal server error: AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0 When
> reporting a ...
> www.xfree86.org/pipermail/newbie/ 2001-February/005730.html - 21k -
> Cached - Similar pages
>
>  [Newbie]Another one with an XFree86 problem
>  ... B]E [19] -1 0xfc00 - 0xfcff (0x100) IX[B](B) (--)
> I128(0): Mapping memory
>  Fatal server error: AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0 When
> reporting a ...
>  www.xfree86.org/pipermail/newbie/ 2001-December/012781.html - 19k -
> Cached - Similar pages
>  [ More results from www.xfree86.org ]
>
> XFree 4.1.0 and I128 (was How to Upgrade from Potato to Woody?)
> ... 0x6000 - 0x60ff (0x100) IX[B](B) | (-- I128(0): Mapping
> memory | | Fatal
> server error: | AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0 | | | When
> reporting ...
> se.debian.net/lists/debian-user/2002/03/msg00490.html - 29k - Cached
>
> From 4.02 on, the I128 fails after 'preinit' with the following error:
>
> (--) I128(0): Mapping memory
> Fatal server error: AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0
>
> Recall from my earlier posts, X works fine in the LM7.2 distro with
> X4.01
>
> I've re-installed from original d/l, then re-downloaded, re-burned,
> re-md5sumed, re-installed with fresh ISO's. I've XFdraked and
> xf86configed every conceivable way possible, 640x480 to 1280x1024, all
> color depths, generic monitors, chosen my NEC Accusynd 95F monitor, and
> nothing helps.
>
> With X4.2, startx bombs with the error  Fatal server error:
> AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0
>
> With 3.3.6, startx bombs (or hangs) with the error Fatal server error:
> no screens found
>
> I am out of answers. I don't think it would be productive for me to try
> to recompile the I128 server by hand (God knows it would never work
> then)
>
> DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS OTHER THAN "BUY A NEW VIDEO CARD"
>
> I guess the real question is "what changed in the I128 sever between
> 4.01 and 4.2?" 4.01 is still working fine in LM7.2 on the same machine.
> X4.2 or X3.3.6 will not start under LM8.2 on the same machine.
>
> Out of answers, probably spent 30 hours digging into this and I really,
> really need help.

David:
What would be the downside of replacing 4.2 with 4.01 (other than pushing you 
over the edge)?
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[expert] BUG - X4.2 or X3.3.6 and I128 Video (Follow Up)

[David Rankin]

See my original post for details of problem: It seems that under X4.2,
during startup, "ScreenInit start" is never executed after preInit and
before the Mapping memory statement. It's completely missing in my log.
After mapping memory, the server dies with the Addscreen/Screeninit
error. Makes sence, no "ScreenInit start" would logically be followed by
an Addscreen/Screeninit error ;-)

(--) I128(0): ScreenInit start
^

(--) I128(0): Mapping memory

I'll check into this more when I get home and can check the xdm logs on
the LM7.2 install

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Re: [expert] BUG - X4.2 or X3.3.6 and I128 Video

[Alastair Scott]

On Monday 06 May 2002 3:21 pm, David Rankin wrote:

> DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS OTHER THAN "BUY A NEW VIDEO CARD"
>
> I guess the real question is "what changed in the I128 sever between
> 4.01 and 4.2?" 4.01 is still working fine in LM7.2 on the same
> machine. X4.2 or X3.3.6 will not start under LM8.2 on the same
> machine.
>
> Out of answers, probably spent 30 hours digging into this and I
> really, really need help.

There's your answer - buy a new video card. Even assuming that your time 
is costed at US minimum wage levels you could probably have bought 2 or 
3 perfectly good video cards by now for the (notional) cost of the time 
expended!

Alastair

PS I use an 'cheap but good' ATI Radeon VE (with DVI output) which 
worked first time without any problems.
-- 
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[expert] BUG - X4.2 or X3.3.6 and I128 Video

[David Rankin]

Guys and Gals:

I think I can safely call it a bug now. After an exhaustive search
or xfree.org, Mandrake expert & newbie, and querrying the Mandrake chat
rooms, there are no answers why X4.2 and X3.3.6 that ship with LM 8.2
will NOT work with my #9 Imagine 128 video card. Others have had similar
problems, with no answers found (see below google query on "addscreen
screeninit I128")


[Newbie]X 4.0.2 problems with I128
... B]E [21] -1 0xfc00 - 0xfcff (0x100) IX[B](B) (--) I128(0):
Mapping memory
Fatal server error: AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0 When
reporting a ...
www.xfree86.org/pipermail/newbie/ 2001-February/005730.html - 21k -
Cached - Similar pages

 [Newbie]Another one with an XFree86 problem
 ... B]E [19] -1 0xfc00 - 0xfcff (0x100) IX[B](B) (--)
I128(0): Mapping memory
 Fatal server error: AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0 When
reporting a ...
 www.xfree86.org/pipermail/newbie/ 2001-December/012781.html - 19k -
Cached - Similar pages
 [ More results from www.xfree86.org ]

XFree 4.1.0 and I128 (was How to Upgrade from Potato to Woody?)
... 0x6000 - 0x60ff (0x100) IX[B](B) | (-- I128(0): Mapping
memory | | Fatal
server error: | AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0 | | | When
reporting ...
se.debian.net/lists/debian-user/2002/03/msg00490.html - 29k - Cached

>From 4.02 on, the I128 fails after 'preinit' with the following error:

(--) I128(0): Mapping memory
Fatal server error: AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0

Recall from my earlier posts, X works fine in the LM7.2 distro with
X4.01

I've re-installed from original d/l, then re-downloaded, re-burned,
re-md5sumed, re-installed with fresh ISO's. I've XFdraked and
xf86configed every conceivable way possible, 640x480 to 1280x1024, all
color depths, generic monitors, chosen my NEC Accusynd 95F monitor, and
nothing helps.

With X4.2, startx bombs with the error  Fatal server error:
AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0

With 3.3.6, startx bombs (or hangs) with the error Fatal server error:
no screens found

I am out of answers. I don't think it would be productive for me to try
to recompile the I128 server by hand (God knows it would never work
then)

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS OTHER THAN "BUY A NEW VIDEO CARD"

I guess the real question is "what changed in the I128 sever between
4.01 and 4.2?" 4.01 is still working fine in LM7.2 on the same machine.
X4.2 or X3.3.6 will not start under LM8.2 on the same machine.

Out of answers, probably spent 30 hours digging into this and I really,
really need help.

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[expert] Bug ?!

[Florian]

Hi i installed a while ago Mandrake 8.2 on a gericom laptop for a friend of 
mine the problem is that he is still waiting for his dsl connection so he 
cant access the updates and mailing lists so i got to speak for him, since he 
is in berlin 600 km away from me i cant fix his problem either, but i try to 
get him the infos.
Problem description:
After installing a usb wheelmouse with the draktool his keyboards dissappears 
!
means 
combination:
1.) Internal keyboard + external keyboard + internal mouse (touchpad)... all 
work fine together
2.) usbmouse + internal keyboard ... only usbmouse works all other keyboards 
and the touchpad dissappear.

Anyone had this?
Thanx for tips
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[expert] bug in initscripts-6.40.2-33mdk and earlier versions, solution here!

[Juergen Hammelmann]

Hello together,

I must say, that mandrake support for ippp devices is buggy now too!

the line 94 from /sbin/ifup script have to be changed to
...
OTHERSCRIPT="/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifup-${DEVICETYPE}"

if [ -x ${OTHERSCRIPT} ]; then
${OTHERSCRIPT} ${CONFIG} $2
fi
...

the exec command in front of ${OTHERSCRIPT} has to be removed, with this exec
the ifup script will not executed after this line, so the defaultroute to 
$GATEWAY/$GATEWAYDEV can't be set.

this patch functions really well, please take this to your initscripts 
package!

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[expert] Bug using emacs in Mdk 8.1

[Dean S. Messing]

I'm experiencing a strange bug which I wonder if anyone else
on the "experts" list has seen or can verify and report on:

To tickle the bug:

cp /usr/share/dict/words (or any other large text file) to /tmp

The file should contain a large number of lines, say, greater than 5.

Now edit /tmp/words with emacs.

Now delete the contents of the buffer.
You  can do this in a hundred different ways.
The fastest is, perhaps:

C-x h C-w

which "marks" the whole buffer as the current "region" and
then "kills" it.

When I do this (under a cleanly installed Mdk 8.1 using KDE)
emacs just locks up.  If I hit C-g, it beeps and 20-30 seconds later
I get:

Time out waiting for property-notify event

in the emacs "echo area" and  emacs remains locked up.  Must kill
it from another window.

Just yesterday I discovered that my colleague's emacs does the same
thing under Mdk 7.2.

But other's have not been able to reproduce the problem.  I'm stumped
and it is more than a little annoying since 98% of my life on the
computer is spent w/in emacs.

I've been able to discover that the bug does _not_ occur if you use
`emacs -nw' in, say, an "xterm", or if you use the emacs from a
v-console (say, alt-ctl-F2).  It's only when emacs is allowed to paint
its own window (or "frame" in emasc parlance) that it occurs.

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Re: [expert] bug in gettext support of php rpm?

[Vincent Danen]

On Tue Jul 31, 2001 at 09:41:27PM +0200, Jan Dittberner wrote:

[...]

> > Can you do me a favour and try the php-4.0.6 rpms I built and put on
> > www.rpmhelp.net?  They seem to work fine over here, but I'm only using
> > gettext() on my workstation at the moment which is running 4.0.6 (have
> > not yet tried it on my 8.0 servers running 4.0.4pl1 (I believe that's
> > the version that comes with 8.0)).  Please let me know if you do try
> > the 4.0.6 packages if they fix the problem.
> 
> It's working fine with your new RPMS thanks :-)

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Re: [expert] bug in gettext support of php rpm?

[Jan Dittberner]

Vincent Danen wrote:
> 
> On Tue Jul 31, 2001 at 06:53:55PM +0200, Jan Dittberner wrote:
> 
> > > > I just tried to use the gettext support in php, but this seems to be
> > > > broken in the Mandrake 8.0 package. An strace of php running my test
> > > > script gave this:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > lstat64("/var/www/locale", {st_mode=S_IFDIR|0755, st_size=4096, ...}) =
> > > > 0
> > > > fstat64(1, {st_mode=S_IFIFO|0600, st_size=0, ...}) = 0
> > > > old_mmap(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS,
> > > > -1, 0) = 0x40016000
> > > > open("/etc/services", O_RDONLY) = 4
> > > > shmat(4, 0x1, 0x1ptrace: umoven: Input/output error
> > > > )  = ?
> > > > shmat(4, 0x2, 0x2ptrace: umoven: Input/output error
> > > > )  = ?
> > >
> > > Don't know if this will help any, but I recently saw a thread about
> > > gettext in PHP on freezer-burn.org:
> > > http://www.freezer-burn.org/stories.php?story=01/07/23/4935802
> >
> > Just had a look at it, but my code was already working with 7.2 it's
> > definitely something broken in the 8.0 php gettext support. Thanks
> > for the hint, my directory structure and code is correct, I can post
> > it if anyone is interested.
> 
> Can you do me a favour and try the php-4.0.6 rpms I built and put on
> www.rpmhelp.net?  They seem to work fine over here, but I'm only using
> gettext() on my workstation at the moment which is running 4.0.6 (have
> not yet tried it on my 8.0 servers running 4.0.4pl1 (I believe that's
> the version that comes with 8.0)).  Please let me know if you do try
> the 4.0.6 packages if they fix the problem.

It's working fine with your new RPMS thanks :-)

Jan

Re: [expert] bug in gettext support of php rpm?

[Vincent Danen]

On Tue Jul 31, 2001 at 06:53:55PM +0200, Jan Dittberner wrote:

> > > I just tried to use the gettext support in php, but this seems to be
> > > broken in the Mandrake 8.0 package. An strace of php running my test
> > > script gave this:
> > >
> > >
> > > lstat64("/var/www/locale", {st_mode=S_IFDIR|0755, st_size=4096, ...}) =
> > > 0
> > > fstat64(1, {st_mode=S_IFIFO|0600, st_size=0, ...}) = 0
> > > old_mmap(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS,
> > > -1, 0) = 0x40016000
> > > open("/etc/services", O_RDONLY) = 4
> > > shmat(4, 0x1, 0x1ptrace: umoven: Input/output error
> > > )  = ?
> > > shmat(4, 0x2, 0x2ptrace: umoven: Input/output error
> > > )  = ?
> > 
> > Don't know if this will help any, but I recently saw a thread about
> > gettext in PHP on freezer-burn.org:
> > http://www.freezer-burn.org/stories.php?story=01/07/23/4935802
> 
> Just had a look at it, but my code was already working with 7.2 it's 
> definitely something broken in the 8.0 php gettext support. Thanks 
> for the hint, my directory structure and code is correct, I can post 
> it if anyone is interested.

Can you do me a favour and try the php-4.0.6 rpms I built and put on
www.rpmhelp.net?  They seem to work fine over here, but I'm only using
gettext() on my workstation at the moment which is running 4.0.6 (have
not yet tried it on my 8.0 servers running 4.0.4pl1 (I believe that's
the version that comes with 8.0)).  Please let me know if you do try
the 4.0.6 packages if they fix the problem.

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Re: [expert] bug in gettext support of php rpm?

[Jan Dittberner]

Paul Cox wrote:
> 
> On Sunday, Jul 22, 2001, Jan Dittberner wrote:
> 
> > I just tried to use the gettext support in php, but this seems to be
> > broken in the Mandrake 8.0 package. An strace of php running my test
> > script gave this:
> >
> >
> > lstat64("/var/www/locale", {st_mode=S_IFDIR|0755, st_size=4096, ...}) =
> > 0
> > fstat64(1, {st_mode=S_IFIFO|0600, st_size=0, ...}) = 0
> > old_mmap(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS,
> > -1, 0) = 0x40016000
> > open("/etc/services", O_RDONLY) = 4
> > shmat(4, 0x1, 0x1ptrace: umoven: Input/output error
> > )  = ?
> > shmat(4, 0x2, 0x2ptrace: umoven: Input/output error
> > )  = ?
> 
> Don't know if this will help any, but I recently saw a thread about
> gettext in PHP on freezer-burn.org:
> http://www.freezer-burn.org/stories.php?story=01/07/23/4935802

Just had a look at it, but my code was already working with 7.2 it's 
definitely something broken in the 8.0 php gettext support. Thanks 
for the hint, my directory structure and code is correct, I can post 
it if anyone is interested.


Regards

Jan

Re: [expert] bug in gettext support of php rpm?

[Paul Cox]

On Sunday, Jul 22, 2001, Jan Dittberner wrote:

> I just tried to use the gettext support in php, but this seems to be
> broken in the Mandrake 8.0 package. An strace of php running my test
> script gave this:
> 
> 
> lstat64("/var/www/locale", {st_mode=S_IFDIR|0755, st_size=4096, ...}) =
> 0
> fstat64(1, {st_mode=S_IFIFO|0600, st_size=0, ...}) = 0
> old_mmap(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS,
> -1, 0) = 0x40016000
> open("/etc/services", O_RDONLY) = 4
> shmat(4, 0x1, 0x1ptrace: umoven: Input/output error
> )  = ?
> shmat(4, 0x2, 0x2ptrace: umoven: Input/output error
> )  = ?

Don't know if this will help any, but I recently saw a thread about
gettext in PHP on freezer-burn.org:
http://www.freezer-burn.org/stories.php?story=01/07/23/4935802

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[expert] bug in gettext support of php rpm?

[Jan Dittberner]

Hello,

I just tried to use the gettext support in php, but this seems to be
broken in the Mandrake 8.0 package. An strace of php running my test
script gave this:


lstat64("/var/www/locale", {st_mode=S_IFDIR|0755, st_size=4096, ...}) =
0
fstat64(1, {st_mode=S_IFIFO|0600, st_size=0, ...}) = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS,
-1, 0) = 0x40016000
open("/etc/services", O_RDONLY) = 4
shmat(4, 0x1, 0x1ptrace: umoven: Input/output error
)  = ?
shmat(4, 0x2, 0x2ptrace: umoven: Input/output error
)  = ?


/var/www/locale is the directory containing translations

I tried exactly the same files (php script, translation files) on an
Mandrake 7.2 box, where it works perfectly.

Any idea?


Regards

Jan Dittberner

[expert] bug in arts-2.1.2-2mdk.i586.rpm

[Tobias Marx]

i've updated the artsd shipping with lm 8.0 with the security update
rpms (arts, libarts). now, when i use xmms with the arts output plugin
and play a wav with artsplay (from within licq), artsd will crash. when
started from a terminal its outpud reads:

[artsd] ** Warning ** MCOP ObjectManager: can't find implementation for
Arts::Synth_PLAY_WAV.

after downgrading to arts-2.1.1-7mdk and libarts2-2.1.1-7mdk everything
works fine again.

bye,
Tobias

[expert] Bug in KDE-2.1.1 HTML-Index generating

[Joerg Mertin]

Hoi Folks,

don't know if you already had this problem. but if you generate the 
Help-Files index in the KDe Control-Center/Help/index, the System tends to go 
crazy: Means, it generates an Endless File-List. This is caused by a 
linked-Link - e.g. a link pointing to itself. All you have to make help-index 
beheave, is to remove the "common" Link in /usr/share/doc/HTML/en/common
If you check the Link itself, it points to:
[smurphy@stardust common]$ ls -ld common
lrwxrwxrwx1 root root   47 Apr 24 11:49 common -> 
../../../../../..//usr/share/doc/HTML/en/common/

PS: this was a Clean-Mandrake 8.0 install.

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Re: [expert] Bug Report: -ffast-math breaks perl-5.600-17mdk?

[civileme]

On Wednesday 27 December 2000 04:08, you wrote:
> I can't seem to find the equivalent of bugzilla for Mandrake so I'm
> reporting this here with the hopes it will make it back to appropriate
> parties.

https://qa.mandrakesoft.com

>
> I'm a developer in the process of packaging Perl 5.6.0 for another
> distribution. I'm all for optimization as long as the code still passes its
> tests.  With this in mind I tried Mandrake's 7.2 IMHO aggressive i586
> optimization flags for my build of Perl 5.6.0. After a lot of debugging I
> found out that the -ffast-math flag causes Perl to fail at least 7 subtests
> of the op/cmp.t test of the Perl regression tests.
>
> I tested perl-5.600-17mdk on a Mandrake 7.2 and it fails the same tests.
>
> FYI from GCC man page:
> -ffast-math "This option allows GCC to violate some ANSI or IEEE
> rules/specifications in the interest of optimizing code for speed."
>
> This led me to wonder what else is slightly undetectably broken as a result
> of -ffast-math. Having seen this, I certainly wouldn't want it on for every
> package as it is it seems to be in Mandrake.
>
> I have forced gcc not to use fast-math in my RPM by appending a
> -fno-fast-math to the optimization flags as below. I suggest you should do
> the same and unless you can assess the damage -ffast-math is causing to
> other programs (I certainly can't) I would suggest removing it from your
> global options.
>
> %build
> [ "$RPM_BUILD_ROOT" != "/" ] && rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT
> sh Configure -des -Doptimize="$RPM_OPT_FLAGS -fno-fast-math" \
>
> Name: perl Relocations: (not relocateable)
> Version : 5.600 Vendor: MandrakeSoft
> Release : 17mdk Build Date: Sat Sep 30 12:25:56
> 2000Install date: Sat Nov 25 19:41:42 2000  Build Host:
> debris.mandrakesoft.com Group   : Development/Perl  Source
> RPM: perl-5.600-17mdk.src.rpmSize: 13907113
> License: GPL Packager: Pixel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Summary : The Perl programming language.
>
> Default i586 optimization flags from MDK7.2 rpmrc:
> i586 -O3 -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -mcpu=pentiumpro -march=i586
> -ffast-math
>
> Test process:
> cd /usr/src/RPM/BUILD/perl-5.6.0/t
> perl op/cmp.t
>
> With -ffast-math this will fail:
> not ok 7 (s <=> NaN) gives: '-1'
> not ok 21 (N/A <=> NaN) gives: '-1'
> not ok 33 (a <=> NaN) gives: '-1'
> not ok 43 (NaN <=> NaN) gives: '-1'
> not ok 45 (NaN <=> -1) gives: '-1'
> not ok 47 (NaN <=> ) gives: '-1'
> not ok 49 (NaN <=> 0) gives: '-1'
> not ok 51 (NaN <=> 1) gives: '-1'


Cooker edition compiled with gcc 2.96 does not appear to reproduce this 
problem.  7.2 does reproduce it.  The default settings in gcc 2.96 appear to 
be a bit more conservative.

Civileme

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> Rob
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Re: [expert] Bug Report: -ffast-math breaks perl-5.600-17mdk?

[Vincent Danen]

On Tue Dec 26, 2000 at 10:08:20PM -0500, Robert Hardy wrote:

> I can't seem to find the equivalent of bugzilla for Mandrake so I'm
> reporting this here with the hopes it will make it back to appropriate
> parties.

https://qa.mandrakesoft.com/

Sorry I can't give you any further help on this (pretty strange)
problem you may have found, but there are others about that may be
able to do something with it.  However, you may want to post it into
bugzilla at the above url as well just in case.

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[expert] Bug Report: -ffast-math breaks perl-5.600-17mdk?

[Robert Hardy]

I can't seem to find the equivalent of bugzilla for Mandrake so I'm
reporting this here with the hopes it will make it back to appropriate
parties.

I'm a developer in the process of packaging Perl 5.6.0 for another
distribution. I'm all for optimization as long as the code still passes its
tests.  With this in mind I tried Mandrake's 7.2 IMHO aggressive i586
optimization flags for my build of Perl 5.6.0. After a lot of debugging I
found out that the -ffast-math flag causes Perl to fail at least 7 subtests
of the op/cmp.t test of the Perl regression tests.

I tested perl-5.600-17mdk on a Mandrake 7.2 and it fails the same tests.

FYI from GCC man page:
-ffast-math "This option allows GCC to violate some ANSI or IEEE
rules/specifications in the interest of optimizing code for speed."

This led me to wonder what else is slightly undetectably broken as a result
of -ffast-math. Having seen this, I certainly wouldn't want it on for every
package as it is it seems to be in Mandrake.

I have forced gcc not to use fast-math in my RPM by appending a
-fno-fast-math to the optimization flags as below. I suggest you should do
the same and unless you can assess the damage -ffast-math is causing to
other programs (I certainly can't) I would suggest removing it from your
global options.

%build
[ "$RPM_BUILD_ROOT" != "/" ] && rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT
sh Configure -des -Doptimize="$RPM_OPT_FLAGS -fno-fast-math" \

Name: perl Relocations: (not relocateable)
Version : 5.600 Vendor: MandrakeSoft
Release : 17mdk Build Date: Sat Sep 30 12:25:56 
2000Install date: Sat Nov 25 19:41:42 2000  Build Host: debris.mandrakesoft.com
Group   : Development/Perl  Source RPM: perl-5.600-17mdk.src.rpmSize   
 : 13907113 License: GPL
Packager: Pixel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Summary : The Perl programming language.

Default i586 optimization flags from MDK7.2 rpmrc:
i586 -O3 -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -mcpu=pentiumpro -march=i586 -ffast-math

Test process:
cd /usr/src/RPM/BUILD/perl-5.6.0/t
perl op/cmp.t

With -ffast-math this will fail:
not ok 7 (s <=> NaN) gives: '-1'
not ok 21 (N/A <=> NaN) gives: '-1'
not ok 33 (a <=> NaN) gives: '-1'
not ok 43 (NaN <=> NaN) gives: '-1'
not ok 45 (NaN <=> -1) gives: '-1'
not ok 47 (NaN <=> ) gives: '-1'
not ok 49 (NaN <=> 0) gives: '-1'
not ok 51 (NaN <=> 1) gives: '-1'

Regards,
Rob

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[expert] Bug in Tetex / terminfo

[Joerg Mertin]

Hi Folks,

while trying to fine-tune the tetex environement, I noticed that texconfig
couldn't find the linux-termcap entries. This is due to the fact that
/usr/lib/terminfo has moved to /usr/share/terminfo.

2 Ways of fixing this. Or you symlink the /usr/share/terminfo directory to
the /usr/lib directory, or you edit the texconfig script and adapt the Path.

Just wanted to share this with you folks :)

Cya

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[expert] Bug in 7.2/KDE?

[Shawn Hafen]

Every time I tell KDE to use a background image for the logni manager it does not 
work, it seems to ignore me alltogether in that area.

can someone with a background image on there login manager paste there kdmrc file in a 
mail for me so i can see the line it uses and just paste it into my kdmrc file?? ( 
i think the file is in /usr/share/apps/kdm/  

TIA

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[expert] bug reporting broken?

[Richard Donkin]

I reported a bug in XFS/XFree86 setup a few days ago to the mandrake
bugs mail alias - I got a bounce message back saying there was no such
host.  I was following the steps at
http://www.linux-mandrake.com/bugs/, where the last reported bug
appears to be from Feb 2000?

Is anyone still using this bug reporting system?  Is it still working?

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[expert] BUG IN DYNAMIC LINKER

[Jack]

I have installed the FlightGear-0.7.4 and SimGear packages on Mandrake 7.1 but
when I try to runfgfs I get the following error message:

Running /usr/bin/fgfs --fg-root=/usr/lib/FlightGear
BUG IN DYNAMIC LINKER ld.so: dl-version.c: 210: _dl_check_map_versions: Assertion 
`needed != ((void *)0)' failed!

Mandrake 7.1 'out of the box' installs ld.so-1.9.5. I had this problem once with
SuSE, and was able to solve it with another version of ld.so. However, when I
downloaded ld.so-1.9.11 from cooker imagine my surprise to discover that it
does not include the file /lib/ld.so, only /sbin/ldconfig and the ld.so-1.9.11
docs! I'm afraid to install it for fear I'll break Mandrake (I've already had to
do a reformat/reinstall once to fix another problem :-(. Anyone care to suggest
how I should proceed?
 --  Regards, Jack Morris
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

[expert] bug knfsd

[Beljouani, Christophe S]

Hi,

I'm using mandrake 7.0, there is a bug in this version when you try to use a
NFS file system exported by a solaris box. For instance, it's impossible to
compile C++ code with linux on a NFS file system. This bug is reported in
the mandrake bug database with number 465 and 466, is there a fix for this
bug ?

Thanks for any help,

Christophe

Re: [expert] Bug in kernel-rpm from mandrake-update.

[Rial Juan]

On Aug 19 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Ummdid you see all the talk on this list about a month or so ago about
> how to do a Kernel upgrade?

Nope; had a lot of exams and didn't have time to check the list for a month.

> Look at Mandrake.user.org ?
> Make a ramdisk to boot with?
> ...oh and out of curiosity...by any chance did you install the new rpm
> with the upgrade option?

Well, problems are solved now, except for emu10k1 which for some obscure reason
won't work. But nothing I can't handle. I understand the nature of the problem
too now; it was stupid of me not to check the mandrake pages and the docs first,
but since it was a fresh install, and I still had the auto-install disk laying
around, I figured: "what the heck; let's see how mandrake handles rpm
upgrading". Last time I'll do such a stupid thing; from now on it's back to good
old kernel-tarballs and patches for me.

-- 

Rial Juan
e-mail:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Belgiumtel:(++32) 89/856533
ulyssis system admininstrator   

The little critters in nature; they don't know they're ugly.
That's very funny... A fly marying a bumble-bee...

Re: [expert] Bug in kernel-rpm from mandrake-update.

[Andrew George]

On Fri, 18 Aug 2000, Rial Juan wrote:

> 
> I used MandrakeUpdate to bring my system up to date, but it warned me that I
> should upgrade the kernel rpms manually because there was a possible problem
> with ReiserFS. So I did. Rebooted the computer but it gave me lots of problems,
> resulting in a kernel panic.
> 
> Then I proceeded with making a working bootdisk at another PC that hadn't been
> upgraded yet, so I could access my box again. Trying to downgrade the kernels
> didn't work, because all of a sudden I couldn't access the network nor the CDROM
> drives. So now I'm stuck here with a half-crippled box. Luckily for me the
> recompiled kernels work and I have net and CDROM access again, so I can
> downgrade these kernels in a minute.
> 
> Now I'm the first to admit that it was pretty stupid of me to upgrade the
> kernel.rpms; usually I leave those alone, download the latest sources from the
> net and recompile those according to my needs, adding an extra kernel from which
> to boot, being the newly compiled test kernel.
> 
> There is one thing though that I find paricularly short-sighted on behalf of
> Mandrake: there is one kernel called "failsafe". Well, I don't understand why
> you make a kernel and label it "failsafe" if you're gonna overwrite it with a
> new kernel, before it's properly tested. Because that is what happened.
> 
> So for those of you out there that use ReiserFS: stay off the new kernel rpms;
> recompile your own from the sources, but leave the precompiled ones in place.
> 
> And to whoever it is at Mandrake that maintains the kernel rpms, fix your
> specfile to leave the failsafe kernel in place when the rpms are upgraded.
> 
> Just my $0.02
> 
Ummdid you see all the talk on this list about a month or so ago about
how to do a Kernel upgrade?
Look at Mandrake.user.org ?
Make a ramdisk to boot with?
...oh and out of curiosity...by any chance did you install the new rpm
with the upgrade option?

AG

[expert] Bug in kernel-rpm from mandrake-update.

[Rial Juan]

I used MandrakeUpdate to bring my system up to date, but it warned me that I
should upgrade the kernel rpms manually because there was a possible problem
with ReiserFS. So I did. Rebooted the computer but it gave me lots of problems,
resulting in a kernel panic.

Then I proceeded with making a working bootdisk at another PC that hadn't been
upgraded yet, so I could access my box again. Trying to downgrade the kernels
didn't work, because all of a sudden I couldn't access the network nor the CDROM
drives. So now I'm stuck here with a half-crippled box. Luckily for me the
recompiled kernels work and I have net and CDROM access again, so I can
downgrade these kernels in a minute.

Now I'm the first to admit that it was pretty stupid of me to upgrade the
kernel.rpms; usually I leave those alone, download the latest sources from the
net and recompile those according to my needs, adding an extra kernel from which
to boot, being the newly compiled test kernel.

There is one thing though that I find paricularly short-sighted on behalf of
Mandrake: there is one kernel called "failsafe". Well, I don't understand why
you make a kernel and label it "failsafe" if you're gonna overwrite it with a
new kernel, before it's properly tested. Because that is what happened.

So for those of you out there that use ReiserFS: stay off the new kernel rpms;
recompile your own from the sources, but leave the precompiled ones in place.

And to whoever it is at Mandrake that maintains the kernel rpms, fix your
specfile to leave the failsafe kernel in place when the rpms are upgraded.

Just my $0.02


-- 

Rial Juan
e-mail:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Belgiumtel:(++32) 89/856533
ulyssis system admininstrator   

The little critters in nature; they don't know they're ugly.
That's very funny... A fly marying a bumble-bee...

[expert] Bug report web pages out of date

[Pierre Fortin]

Are these pages no longer maintained...?

http://www.linux-mandrake.com/bugs/db/ix/full.html

Last time I visited seems to be the last time they were updated.  Did _I_ break
something? :^)

Pierre

[expert] BUG in netconf

[Bill Shirley]

Title: 





I don't know what when wrong with the original message.  (I'm using Outlook 98, maybe that should be my first clue).  But here it is:

There is a bug in netconf. Please follow the description of the problem below. 
I want to forward traffic between my two subnets, 192.168.1.0/24 (subnetA) and 192.168.2.0/24 (subnetB). Also, I want to masquerade subnetA to the internet.

When I enter the rules into linuxconf (/networking/firewalling/forward firewalling) I should enter the forward rule between subnetA and subnetB before (using the weight option) the masquerading rule. If I don't then traffic between the two subnets will be masqueraded instead of forwarded.

However, if I only enter a single non-masq rule between subnetB and subnetA marked as bi-directional (weighted 20) and a single masq rule between subnetA and 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0 marked as bi-directional (weighted 50) then the output is incorrect. I get:

[root@server1 etc]# ipchains -L forward -n
Chain forward (policy DENY):
target prot opt source destination ports
ACCEPT all -- 192.168.2.0/24 192.168.1.0/24 n/a
MASQ all -- 192.168.1.0/24 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0 n/a
ACCEPT all -- 192.168.1.0/24 192.168.2.0/24 n/a 
As you can see, traffic from subnetB to subnetA will be forwarded. But, traffic from subnetA to subnetB will be masqueraded instead of forwarded. Rule #3 will never be used. To get the correct functionality, I need two serperate non-bidirectional rules.

subnetA ---> subnetB non-masq non-bi-directional weight 20
subnetB ---> subnetA non-masq non-bi-directional weight 20
subnetA <-> internet masq bi-directional weight 50
Linuxconf/netconf must not be using the ipchains -b flag when it creates the rules. It seams to be using a second pass of the rules to implement the bi-directional feature resulting in incorrect output. Yes, I know the work-around (create two non bi-directional rules) but will the new linux users?

Bill







 smime.p7s

Re: [expert] BUG in netconf

[Civileme]

Bill Shirley wrote:

Shows an invalid encryption error.  Try your message in
plain ASCII

Civileme

Re: [expert] BUG in netconf

[Jean-Michel Dault]

Huh.. I didn't get any of your message can you send it in plain ASCII?

Jean-Michel Dault
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Bill Shirley wrote:

> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:16:25 -0400
> From: Bill Shirley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [expert] BUG in netconf
> 

  [NON-Text Body part not included]

[expert] BUG in netconf

[Bill Shirley]

 smime.p7m

Re: [expert] Bug with server install, paranoid security set

[Alan Shoemaker]

MikeI set up my system with normal security and still needed
the noauth switch to make a successful ppp connection.  It's the
version of pppd that causes the problem.  Installing an earlier
version of it will also solve the connection problem.

Alan

REGIMBEAU M InfoDpcCli wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> It's not a bug, it's the paranoid security !!
> May I suggest that you change the default umask from 077 to 022 in /etc/profile
>  ?
> 
>  -Message d'origine-
>  De: Mike Esler [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>  Date: mardi 25 avril 2000 16:43
>  À: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  Objet: [expert] Bug with server install, paranoid security set
> 
>  Hi all,
> 
>  I just installed Mandrake 7.0 on a Dell Poweredge 1300, 1 CPU.
> 
>  I chose server install, with paranoid security.
>  After the install, normal users cannot execute files in /bin
>  Permissions set on bin was 711 (rwx,x,x).
>  Changing to 755 solved the problems I was having.
> 
>  --
>  Mike Esler
>  Sverdrup Technology
>  System Administrator
> 
> *
> 
> Ce message et toutes les pièces jointes (ci-après le "message") sont
> confidentiels et établis à l'intention exclusive de ses destinataires.
> Toute utilisation ou diffusion non autorisée est interdite.
> Tout message électronique est susceptible d'altération.
> La SOCIETE GENERALE et ses filiales déclinent toute responsabilité au titre de ce 
>message s'il a été altéré, déformé ou falsifié.
> 
> 
> 
> This message and any attachments (the "message") are confidential and
> intended solely for the addressees.
> Any unauthorised use or dissemination is prohibited.
> E-mails are susceptible to alteration.
> Neither SOCIETE GENERALE nor any of its subsidiaries or affiliates shall be liable 
>for the message if altered, changed or falsified.
> 
> *

Re: [expert] Bug with server install, paranoid security set

[Mike Esler]

Ah, I suspected that the paranoid secuirty changed it.  Isn't it just as bad though to 
leave the permissions open on  /usr/bin?
As a normal user, you cannot even execute ls without specifiying the full pathname of 
the file.

Thanks for the help!  This machine I am installing Mdk 7 on is going to be a 
NFS/Matlab License server for the scientists I support.  I
hope Linux nfsd works well with the mixed environment we have (SunOS 4+, SunOS 5+, 
Tru64, Linux, FreeBSD).

Also, can someone answer my question regarding my system not shutting down properly?  
It appears as if the system shuts down the
network interface BEFORE it trys to killall, and it hangs.  Some network-centric 
program is trying to be killed AFTER the network
interface is down, and it's casing a problem.  I have to reboot the system without a 
complete graceful shutdown, and fsck has to be run
as a resutl - not good.

Thanks!

REGIMBEAU M InfoDpcCli wrote:

> Hi,
>
> It's not a bug, it's the paranoid security !!
> May I suggest that you change the default umask from 077 to 022 in /etc/profile
>  ?
>
>  -Message d'origine-
>  De: Mike Esler [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>  Date: mardi 25 avril 2000 16:43
>  À: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  Objet: [expert] Bug with server install, paranoid security set
>
>  Hi all,
>
>  I just installed Mandrake 7.0 on a Dell Poweredge 1300, 1 CPU.
>
>  I chose server install, with paranoid security.
>  After the install, normal users cannot execute files in /bin
>  Permissions set on bin was 711 (rwx,x,x).
>  Changing to 755 solved the problems I was having.
>

--
Mike Esler
Sverdrup Technology
System Administrator

RE: [expert] Bug with server install, paranoid security set

[REGIMBEAU M InfoDpcCli]

Hi,

It's not a bug, it's the paranoid security !!
May I suggest that you change the default umask from 077 to 022 in /etc/profile
 ?

 -Message d'origine-
 De: Mike Esler [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Date: mardi 25 avril 2000 16:43
 À: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Objet: [expert] Bug with server install, paranoid security set

 Hi all,

 I just installed Mandrake 7.0 on a Dell Poweredge 1300, 1 CPU.

 I chose server install, with paranoid security.
 After the install, normal users cannot execute files in /bin
 Permissions set on bin was 711 (rwx,x,x).
 Changing to 755 solved the problems I was having.




 --
 Mike Esler
 Sverdrup Technology
 System Administrator




*

Ce message et toutes les pièces jointes (ci-après le "message") sont
confidentiels et établis à l'intention exclusive de ses destinataires.
Toute utilisation ou diffusion non autorisée est interdite. 
Tout message électronique est susceptible d'altération. 
La SOCIETE GENERALE et ses filiales déclinent toute responsabilité au titre de ce 
message s'il a été altéré, déformé ou falsifié.



This message and any attachments (the "message") are confidential and
intended solely for the addressees.
Any unauthorised use or dissemination is prohibited. 
E-mails are susceptible to alteration.   
Neither SOCIETE GENERALE nor any of its subsidiaries or affiliates shall be liable for 
the message if altered, changed or falsified. 

*

[expert] Bug with server install, paranoid security set

[Mike Esler]

Hi all,

I just installed Mandrake 7.0 on a Dell Poweredge 1300, 1 CPU.

I chose server install, with paranoid security.
After the install, normal users cannot execute files in /bin
Permissions set on bin was 711 (rwx,x,x).
Changing to 755 solved the problems I was having.




--
Mike Esler
Sverdrup Technology
System Administrator

Re: [expert] bug in KDE ( 7.0 Air )

[root]

yes, i used this way my last install yesturday, and it works much
nicer...

whats funny about the install yesturday is, when i created the account
after
the install, i could log into the new user account, but nothing but dark
blue desktop.
ie: no icons, task bar , nothing.used Cajus suggestiong , and can
now get full 
desktop.

so i guess another bug will be fixed for the bug fix release 7.1. fixed
by people 
who decided to use a New release of Mandrake, thinking that, they were
getting
a new distro that would not have such silly bugs as this in it.

but i guess that's what u get for pushing a distro out the door, when it
was not ready,

JUST, to be the so called FIRST distro of the millenium, albiet, a bug
infested release
that it is

It is funny though...

I install Win98, get to my desktop, and, lo and behold, i have full
access to my floppy drive, cdrw,
and soundcard, it even sets up my scsi card and recognizes my scanner
attached to my scsi card

What do i get with 7...

a totally redundent package selection during install, and after spending
an hour going through all the
packages, finding that there is still stuff in there that i have not
selected,

add a new user, and cant even get a proper desktop out of it, cant get
into my floppy, or cdrw, 
and also cannot even play mp3 of my drive, because my name brand
Creative SB16 is not even recognized!!!
and then during reboots, getting kudzu coming up, removing my cdrw
drive, and then re-installing it, 
and still not being able to access it when the desktop comes up,a far
cry from 6.1, and silly me thinking 
when a new release come out, that it would be an improvement from a
previous release.

OK i'm finished venting..

I apologize to the list for this, but, i've had 32 core dumps since the
install yesturday, and counting...

all from this kioslave thingy, and have yet to see any resolve on the
list for it

maybe in bug fix release 7.1...

David



Alan Shoemaker wrote:
> 
> Cajuswas this in the user account created during
> installation?  In that account, I couldn't change the colors (I
> disliked the yellow title bars on the windows).  So when the
> suggestion came from a message on this list to delete the
> account made during installation and make a new one, I did so
> and it solved the problem.  Your method is much less labor
> intensive than recreating an account that's already been heavily
> customised :-)
>

Re: [expert] bug in KDE ( 7.0 Air )

[Alan Shoemaker]

Cajuswas this in the user account created during
installation?  In that account, I couldn't change the colors (I
disliked the yellow title bars on the windows).  So when the
suggestion came from a message on this list to delete the
account made during installation and make a new one, I did so
and it solved the problem.  Your method is much less labor
intensive than recreating an account that's already been heavily
customised :-)

Alan


Cajus Pollmeier wrote:
> 
> On Son, 23 Jan 2000, Cajus Pollmeier wrote:
> >On Sam, 22 Jan 2000, Marek Suwalski wrote:
> >>Hi all,
> >>
> >>I can't change fonts in KDE on new Mandrake 7.0. Also I can't change language
> >>settings logged as user.
> >>This is a bug in KDE ?
> >
> >No.
> >I noticed this, too. The account is created with the wrong gid/uid for some
> >files. Just do a:
> >
> ># chown your_account.your_account .kde -R
> >
> 
> Oups. I remember it was ".kderc" that was owned by root
> Sorry :-)
> 
> -Cajus

Re: [expert] bug in KDE ( 7.0 Air )

[Cajus Pollmeier]

On Son, 23 Jan 2000, Cajus Pollmeier wrote:
>On Sam, 22 Jan 2000, Marek Suwalski wrote:
>>Hi all,
>>
>>I can't change fonts in KDE on new Mandrake 7.0. Also I can't change language
>>settings logged as user. 
>>This is a bug in KDE ?
>
>No.
>I noticed this, too. The account is created with the wrong gid/uid for some
>files. Just do a:
>
># chown your_account.your_account .kde -R
>

Oups. I remember it was ".kderc" that was owned by root
Sorry :-)

-Cajus

Re: [expert] bug in KDE ( 7.0 Air )

[Cajus Pollmeier]

On Sam, 22 Jan 2000, Marek Suwalski wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I can't change fonts in KDE on new Mandrake 7.0. Also I can't change language
>settings logged as user. 
>This is a bug in KDE ?

No.
I noticed this, too. The account is created with the wrong gid/uid for some
files. Just do a:

# chown your_account.your_account .kde -R

or maybe for the whole home dir

# chown your_account.your_account /home/your_account -R

in your home direcory as root. Then you can change everything again.

-Cajus

[expert] bug in KDE ( 7.0 Air )

[Marek Suwalski]

Hi all,

I can't change fonts in KDE on new Mandrake 7.0. Also I can't change language
settings logged as user. 
This is a bug in KDE ?
Thanks for any help.
Marek 

[expert] Bug in dynamic linker

[sl6ww]

Hi, I've just upgraded to 7.0 (from 6.1) and I've been trying to get my
Unreal Tournament server running again.   However, the system just won't
have it.  Here's the error message:

[root@sl6ww System]# ./ucc server
BUG IN DYNAMIC LINKER ld.so: dynamic-link.h: 57: elf_get_dynamic_info:
Assertion `! "bad dynamic tag"' failed!

The UnrealTournament executable doesn't run either, though it never really
could load the game completely.  However, now it just crashes the instant
it is run: 
[root@sl6ww System]# ./UnrealTournament
elf_core_dump: file->f_pos (94299) != offset (94208)
Segmentation fault (core dumped)

But, that's beside the point... I just need the dedicated server 'ucc' to
work.  Looking on deja.com others have had this bug effecting staroffice
and something 'just after init.'

ld output:
[root@sl6ww System]# ldd ucc
BUG IN DYNAMIC LINKER ld.so: dynamic-link.h: 57: elf_get_dynamic_info:
Assertion `! "bad dynamic tag"' failed!
ldd: /lib/ld-linux.so.2 exited with unknown exit code (127)

[root@sl6ww System]# strace ./ucc
execve("./ucc", ["./ucc"], [/* 29 vars */]) = 0
brk(0)  = 0x80664fc
mmap(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) =
0x123000
write(2, "BUG IN DYNAMIC LINKER ld.so: ", 29BUG IN DYNAMIC LINKER ld.so: )
= 29
write(2, "dynamic-link.h", 14dynamic-link.h)  = 14
write(2, ": ", 2: )   = 2
write(2, "57", 257)   = 2
write(2, "elf_get_dynamic_info", 20elf_get_dynamic_info)= 20
write(2, ": ", 2: )   = 2
write(2, "Assertion `", 11Assertion `) = 11
write(2, "! \"bad dynamic tag\"", 19! "bad dynamic tag")   = 19
write(2, "\' failed!\n", 10' failed!
)= 10
_exit(127)  = ?

Ok, maybe that info is useless on this list and should go to the unreal/ld
people.  Anyway, how can I fix such a problem?  How do I install a working
version of ld.so?  Can I just go and install the rpm from mandrake 6.1
again, or will that couse problems?  Thanks.

Oh yeah, the version of ld.so currently installed is 1.9.5 release 13mdk.

-Ryan

[expert] bug?

[Sheldon Lee Wen]

Hi,

I'm posting this again b/c I've been having email difficulties
and I'm not sure it got through the first time. If it did I apologize.

I'm beginning to suspect that there may be a bug in the stock
mandrake kernel that causes file system corruption. (I installed 
mandrake7.0 almost a week ago now.)

Eg. I downloaded star office to my home directory and then su'd 
and copy'd the file to the directory I wanted to install it in. 
I untarred it and installed it; had some problems with kde
integration so figured I'd just reinstall it. ( I was tired ok! )
However the second time I untarred it I got crc errors. So I copied it
back from my home dir and untarred it and it worked. However half 
way through the install I got crc errors while extracting files 
(I had previously removed the old install and setup directories 
so there were no preexisting files there). 

So I downloaded it again and it worked fine for about two hours then
some lib's started getting corrupted and it refused to load, it 
would immediately segfault. So I completely deleted it and the 
install directory and untarred it again and ran it and got crc 
errors. Anyways I ended up downloading it again and
reinstalling it.

Then I was tired so I shutdown the computer normally with "shutdown -h
now" I waited until it was done and went to bed. When I fired up the
computer today I got alot of errors on the root drive and a nasty fsck. 

If this is fs corruption as a result of a bug in the kernel or something
else is there a way that I can specifically test this?

Sheldon.

-- 
==
Sheldon Lee Wenhttp://members.xoom.com/Lycadican 
"Superstition is a word the ignorant use to describe their ignorance."
  -- Sifu.
==

Re: [expert] BUG: 6.1 initscripts-4.23-33mdk

[Axalon Bloodstone]

On Thu, 28 Oct 1999, Steve Philp wrote:

> Axalon Bloodstone wrote:
> > 
> > On Wed, 27 Oct 1999, Steve Philp wrote:
> > 
> > ^ is that a type-o ? i have 2mdk and 5mdk localy (i'd really hate to think
> > i'm that outdated, but it is posible)
> 
> Here's the header from rpm -qi initscripts, the package comes from the
> MacMillan 6.5 Deluxe.
> 
> Name: initscripts  Relocations: (not
> relocateable) 
> Version : 4.23  Vendor: MandrakeSoft 
> Release : 33mdk Build Date: Tue Sep  7 15:15:29 1999

=X wow i've had the same "basic" install for a whole month, truely
amazing..
 
> > > I was messing with /etc/rc.d/init.d/network tonight trying to help out
> > > another user to get aliased interfaces to work correctly.  I had hacked
> > > the file to bits without creating a backup (shame on me, I know).
> > >
> > > I used 'rpm -e --nodeps' to remove the initscripts package thinking I
> > > could easily reinstall it from the CD.  How wrong I was.
> > >
> > > I used 'rpm -i --nodeps --force' to install the package but
> > > /etc/rc.d/init.d/network didn't reappear.  Actually _NONE_ of the files
> > > contained in the package got installed (rc.local, for instance, didn't
> > > get replaced -- my changes were still at the bottom of the file).
> > 
> > I didn't need to use --nodeps or --force, the latest versions i know do
> > not require linux_logo anymore so you shouldn't ever need tell it nodeps.
> 
> I had to use --nodeps to remove the package because the kernel depended
> on it.  I had to use the --force on the installation because RPM
> believed it was still installed.  linux_logo was removed along time ago
> -- until the wraparound on the processors line is fixed, I refuse to use
> it.

Yep knew the --nodeps for rpm -e, lots depend on initscripts

(see below)

linux_logo, wraping one Celeron (and SMP) has been fixed.. (didn't wrap
here, of course it always gets replaced by Welcome2l on my boxes)

> > > The --nodeps in both of the above lines are necessary because RPM
> > > (rightly) believes that the package is necessary.  The --force is
> > > necessary upon reinstallation because RPM (wrongly) still believes the
> > > package is installed.
> > 
> > stupid rpm bug. it does not like the
> > 
> > [ -f /var/lock/TMP_1ST ] && rm -f /var/lock/TMP_1ST
> > 
> > for the %postuninstall (bash2 issue if i remeber right)
> 
> It doesn't sound like the same sort of problem that's affecting the
> portmap package then.  In the initscripts case, the package no longer
> shows in the package listing.  In the portmap case, the package
> continues to be shown despite not being installed any longer.

Yes if it doesn't sow up thats a totaly different problem, however if it
doesn't show why still --force, does it say it is installed but not show
on rpm -q or rpm -qa?

If either uninstall script fails, rpm says the whole thing fails (why it
doesn't always honor this with -i but does with -e, i am quite curious)

Oh yeah, for that pesky portmap you still have dangleing in the db,
rpm -e --noscripts --justdb portmap
should work

> > > Thinking it might have been a bad package, I installed the source
> > > package and rebuilt it with 'rpm -bb' then reinstalled it.  Still no
> > > change.  RPM thinks it installed the package!
> > >
> > > Finally, I ended up just going into the BUILD/ directory and hand
> > > copying the files I needed back into their directories.
> > 
> > rpm -bi --short-circuit initscripts.spec
> > cp -r /var/tmp/initscripts-something/* / # <- this isn't right but you get
> > the idea
> 
> I just did a 'make install' in the BUILD/ directory.  Seemed like the
> direct path to me!  :)

Is safe if the pkg uses DESTDIR, otherwise it's posible the specfile will
modify Makefile's, also you get things we leave out and miss some we might
add (even the above doesn't account for the former)
  
> > > Is something horribly broken with the RPM database that it's not getting
> > > updated when packages are removed?  I previously reported a bug with
> > > portmap in which it's entry didn't get removed from the database when
> > > the package was removed -- any progress on that one?
> > >
> > > So, the question is -- How did initscripts files get installed in the
> > > first place if they won't install now?  How do I GET that package to
> > > reinstall correctly??  I can provide 'rpm -Uvh --nodeps --force'
> > > output if necessary...
> > 
> > (touch /var/lock/TMP_1ST \
> > rpm -e initscripts --nodeps && \
> > rpm -i initscripts-4.42-3mdk.i586.rpm ) || ( \
> > rpm -i --replacefiles --replacepkgs initscripts-4.42-3mdk.i586.rpm )
> > 
> > Something like that, you probably should never ever rpm -e initscripts
> > just imagine had your power gone off :)
> 
> No biggie.  Installs don't scare me.
>  
> > Q: How did initscripts files get installed in the first place if they won't 
>install now?
> > A: the initial packages (base section,

Re: [expert] BUG: 6.1 initscripts-4.23-33mdk

[Steve Philp]

Axalon Bloodstone wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 27 Oct 1999, Steve Philp wrote:
> 
> ^ is that a type-o ? i have 2mdk and 5mdk localy (i'd really hate to think
> i'm that outdated, but it is posible)

Here's the header from rpm -qi initscripts, the package comes from the
MacMillan 6.5 Deluxe.

Name: initscripts  Relocations: (not
relocateable) 
Version : 4.23  Vendor: MandrakeSoft 
Release : 33mdk Build Date: Tue Sep  7
15:15:29 1999
Install date: Wed Oct 27 19:08:21 1999  Build Host:
chanae.alphanet.ch 
Group   : System Environment/Base   Source RPM:
initscripts-4.23-33mdk.src.rpm 
Size: 164474   License: GPL 
Packager: Pablo Saratxaga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Summary : The inittab file and the /etc/rc.d
scripts.   

> > I was messing with /etc/rc.d/init.d/network tonight trying to help out
> > another user to get aliased interfaces to work correctly.  I had hacked
> > the file to bits without creating a backup (shame on me, I know).
> >
> > I used 'rpm -e --nodeps' to remove the initscripts package thinking I
> > could easily reinstall it from the CD.  How wrong I was.
> >
> > I used 'rpm -i --nodeps --force' to install the package but
> > /etc/rc.d/init.d/network didn't reappear.  Actually _NONE_ of the files
> > contained in the package got installed (rc.local, for instance, didn't
> > get replaced -- my changes were still at the bottom of the file).
> 
> I didn't need to use --nodeps or --force, the latest versions i know do
> not require linux_logo anymore so you shouldn't ever need tell it nodeps.

I had to use --nodeps to remove the package because the kernel depended
on it.  I had to use the --force on the installation because RPM
believed it was still installed.  linux_logo was removed along time ago
-- until the wraparound on the processors line is fixed, I refuse to use
it.
 
> > The --nodeps in both of the above lines are necessary because RPM
> > (rightly) believes that the package is necessary.  The --force is
> > necessary upon reinstallation because RPM (wrongly) still believes the
> > package is installed.
> 
> stupid rpm bug. it does not like the
> 
> [ -f /var/lock/TMP_1ST ] && rm -f /var/lock/TMP_1ST
> 
> for the %postuninstall (bash2 issue if i remeber right)

It doesn't sound like the same sort of problem that's affecting the
portmap package then.  In the initscripts case, the package no longer
shows in the package listing.  In the portmap case, the package
continues to be shown despite not being installed any longer.
 
> > Thinking it might have been a bad package, I installed the source
> > package and rebuilt it with 'rpm -bb' then reinstalled it.  Still no
> > change.  RPM thinks it installed the package!
> >
> > Finally, I ended up just going into the BUILD/ directory and hand
> > copying the files I needed back into their directories.
> 
> rpm -bi --short-circuit initscripts.spec
> cp -r /var/tmp/initscripts-something/* / # <- this isn't right but you get
> the idea

I just did a 'make install' in the BUILD/ directory.  Seemed like the
direct path to me!  :)
 
> > Is something horribly broken with the RPM database that it's not getting
> > updated when packages are removed?  I previously reported a bug with
> > portmap in which it's entry didn't get removed from the database when
> > the package was removed -- any progress on that one?
> >
> > So, the question is -- How did initscripts files get installed in the
> > first place if they won't install now?  How do I GET that package to
> > reinstall correctly??  I can provide 'rpm -Uvh --nodeps --force'
> > output if necessary...
> 
> (touch /var/lock/TMP_1ST \
> rpm -e initscripts --nodeps && \
> rpm -i initscripts-4.42-3mdk.i586.rpm ) || ( \
> rpm -i --replacefiles --replacepkgs initscripts-4.42-3mdk.i586.rpm )
> 
> Something like that, you probably should never ever rpm -e initscripts
> just imagine had your power gone off :)

No biggie.  Installs don't scare me.
 
> Q: How did initscripts files get installed in the first place if they won't install 
>now?
> A: the initial packages (base section, from comps) are installed via cpio
>not via rpm
> 
> Not sure about subsequent rpms..

Makes sense I suppose.  I'm still not sure about initscripts being
correct yet.  I'll take another look through the spec file to see if
anything obvious jumps out at me.

-- 
Steve Philp
Network Administrator
Advance Packaging Corporation
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [expert] BUG: 6.1 initscripts-4.23-33mdk

[Axalon Bloodstone]

On Wed, 27 Oct 1999, Steve Philp wrote:

^ is that a type-o ? i have 2mdk and 5mdk localy (i'd really hate to think
i'm that outdated, but it is posible)

> I was messing with /etc/rc.d/init.d/network tonight trying to help out
> another user to get aliased interfaces to work correctly.  I had hacked
> the file to bits without creating a backup (shame on me, I know).
> 
> I used 'rpm -e --nodeps' to remove the initscripts package thinking I
> could easily reinstall it from the CD.  How wrong I was.
> 
> I used 'rpm -i --nodeps --force' to install the package but
> /etc/rc.d/init.d/network didn't reappear.  Actually _NONE_ of the files
> contained in the package got installed (rc.local, for instance, didn't
> get replaced -- my changes were still at the bottom of the file).

I didn't need to use --nodeps or --force, the latest versions i know do
not require linux_logo anymore so you shouldn't ever need tell it nodeps.

> The --nodeps in both of the above lines are necessary because RPM
> (rightly) believes that the package is necessary.  The --force is
> necessary upon reinstallation because RPM (wrongly) still believes the
> package is installed.

stupid rpm bug. it does not like the 

[ -f /var/lock/TMP_1ST ] && rm -f /var/lock/TMP_1ST

for the %postuninstall (bash2 issue if i remeber right)

> Thinking it might have been a bad package, I installed the source
> package and rebuilt it with 'rpm -bb' then reinstalled it.  Still no
> change.  RPM thinks it installed the package!
> 
> Finally, I ended up just going into the BUILD/ directory and hand
> copying the files I needed back into their directories.
 
rpm -bi --short-circuit initscripts.spec
cp -r /var/tmp/initscripts-something/* / # <- this isn't right but you get
the idea
 
> Is something horribly broken with the RPM database that it's not getting
> updated when packages are removed?  I previously reported a bug with
> portmap in which it's entry didn't get removed from the database when
> the package was removed -- any progress on that one?
> 
> So, the question is -- How did initscripts files get installed in the
> first place if they won't install now?  How do I GET that package to
> reinstall correctly??  I can provide 'rpm -Uvh --nodeps --force'
> output if necessary...
 
(touch /var/lock/TMP_1ST \
rpm -e initscripts --nodeps && \
rpm -i initscripts-4.42-3mdk.i586.rpm ) || ( \
rpm -i --replacefiles --replacepkgs initscripts-4.42-3mdk.i586.rpm )

Something like that, you probably should never ever rpm -e initscripts
just imagine had your power gone off :)


Q: How did initscripts files get installed in the first place if they won't install 
now?
A: the initial packages (base section, from comps) are installed via cpio
   not via rpm

Not sure about subsequent rpms..


--
MandrakeSoft  http://www.mandrakesoft.com/
--Axalon

[expert] BUG: 6.1 initscripts-4.23-33mdk

[Steve Philp]

I was messing with /etc/rc.d/init.d/network tonight trying to help out
another user to get aliased interfaces to work correctly.  I had hacked
the file to bits without creating a backup (shame on me, I know).

I used 'rpm -e --nodeps' to remove the initscripts package thinking I
could easily reinstall it from the CD.  How wrong I was.

I used 'rpm -i --nodeps --force' to install the package but
/etc/rc.d/init.d/network didn't reappear.  Actually _NONE_ of the files
contained in the package got installed (rc.local, for instance, didn't
get replaced -- my changes were still at the bottom of the file).

The --nodeps in both of the above lines are necessary because RPM
(rightly) believes that the package is necessary.  The --force is
necessary upon reinstallation because RPM (wrongly) still believes the
package is installed.

Thinking it might have been a bad package, I installed the source
package and rebuilt it with 'rpm -bb' then reinstalled it.  Still no
change.  RPM thinks it installed the package!

Finally, I ended up just going into the BUILD/ directory and hand
copying the files I needed back into their directories.


Is something horribly broken with the RPM database that it's not getting
updated when packages are removed?  I previously reported a bug with
portmap in which it's entry didn't get removed from the database when
the package was removed -- any progress on that one?

So, the question is -- How did initscripts files get installed in the
first place if they won't install now?  How do I GET that package to
reinstall correctly??  I can provide 'rpm -Uvh --nodeps --force'
output if necessary...

-- 
Steve Philp
Network Administrator
Advance Packaging Corporation
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

[expert] BUG: 6.1 -- chkfontpath

[sphilp]

Another one...

Trying to remove fonts from the xfs fontserver using the chkfontpath utility
results in a segmentation fault:

Script started on Wed Oct 20 22:05:34 1999
[root@tippy fonts]# chkfontpath --list
Current directories in font path:
1: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc:unscaled
2: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi:unscaled
3: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi:unscaled
4: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc
5: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1
6: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo
7: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/ttfonts
8: /usr/share/fonts/default/Type1
9: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi
[root@tippy fonts]# chkfontpath --add /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/StarOffice
[root@tippy fonts]# chkfontpath --list
Current directories in font path:
1: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc:unscaled
2: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi:unscaled
3: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi:unscaled
4: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc
5: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1
6: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo
7: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/ttfonts
8: /usr/share/fonts/default/Type1
9: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi
10: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/StarOffice
[root@tippy fonts]# chkfontpath --remove /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/StarOffice
Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[root@tippy fonts]# 
Script done on Wed Oct 20 22:06:08 1999

-- 
Steve Philp
Network Administrator
Advance Packaging Corporation
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

[expert] BUG: 6.1 -- portmap

[sphilp]

Continuing the bug parade...

I was cleaning up my system tonight, removing unnecessary packages.  I
removed the portmap package, but noticed that it showed up again in the
output of 'rpm -qa'.  

Here's a transcript of the activity:

Script started on Wed Oct 20 21:37:50 1999
[root@tippy /root]# rpm -qa | grep portmap
portmap-4.0-6mdk
[root@tippy /root]# rpm -e portmap
error reading information on service portmap: No such file or directory
execution of script failed
error reading information on service portmap: No such file or directory
execution of script failed
[root@tippy /root]# rpm -qa | grep portmap
portmap-4.0-6mdk
[root@tippy /root]# rpm -Uvh /mnt/cdrom/Mandrake/RPMS/portmap-4.0-6mdk.i586.rpm  
[root@tippy /root]# rpm -Uvh /mnt/cdrom/Mandrake/RPMS/portmap-4.0-6mdk.i586.rpm
package portmap-4.0-6mdk is already installed
[root@tippy /root]# exit

Script done on Wed Oct 20 21:38:19 1999

Why doesn't the portmap package remove itself from the installed packages
database?

-- 
Steve Philp
Network Administrator
Advance Packaging Corporation
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

[expert] BUG: 6.1

[sphilp]

Two more bugs to report:

1)  By default, Mandrake attempts to turn on DMA for available IDE devices. 
Attempting to copy the contents of a CDROM to my hard drive, I encountered
the following errors:

hdd: timeout waiting for DMA 
hdd: irq timeout: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest } 
hdd: DMA disabled 
hda: timeout waiting for DMA 
hda: irq timeout: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest } 
hda: DMA disabled 

and then the entire machine locked up.  The keyboard was frozen and I ended
up "kicking the Big Red Button" on the machine.  

I modified my BIOS settings to disable DMA support for the interfaces and
rebooted.  Trying to make the copy, the same errors and lockup (and
resolution occurred).

Finally, I modified /etc/rc.d/init.d/mandrake_everytime to change the -d1 to
-d0 in the hdparm line and rebooted the machine.

After the reboot, I again attempted the copy only to be greeted with the
same errors followed by:

hdd: ATAPI reset complete 
ATAPI device hdd: 
  Error: Unit attention -- (Sense key=0x06) 
  Power on, reset or bus device reset occurred -- (asc=0x29, ascq=0x00) 
hdd: cdrom_decode_status: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } 
hdd: cdrom_decode_status: error=0x30 
ide0: reset: success 

The machine did not lock up this time, but I'm a bit worried by the
messages.  This machine had NO PROBLEMS running Mandrake 6.0 and had no
problems running 2.3.x kernels.

Thinking that I'd simply bypass the bad judgement on Mandrake's part, I
moved to compiling my own kernel.  Once again, I'm hit with a bug:

2)  Inability to compile a kernel.  Attempting a 'make menuconfig' yields:

gcc -O6 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-exceptions -fno-rtti -pipe -s -mpentium 
-mcpu=pentium -march=pentium -ffast-math -fexpensive-optimizations -malign-loops=2 
-malign-jumps=2 -malign-functions=2 -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -DLOCALE  
-I/usr/include/ncurses -DCURSES_LOC=""   -c lxdialog.c -o lxdialog.o
cc1: Invalid option `preferred-stack-boundary=2'
make[1]: *** [lxdialog.o] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.2.13/scripts/lxdialog'
make: *** [menuconfig] Error 2


This leaves me with a couple questions:  

* RPM packaging is supposed to ensure that binary packages are reliably
  recreatable using the source package.  If I can't even get the resulting
  source to build, how did you manage to compile the thing in the first 
  place?
* Where the hell is the quality testing?!  I've only owned this
  distribution for two days and already I've tripped over three bugs that
  should not happen.

TO THE MANDRAKE STAFF:

I know that the second bug has already been reported to this list.  I
haven't seen a reponse from Mandrake concerning an updated package to fix
the problem.  Actually, I don't think I've even seen a response from anyone
at Mandrake for any of the reported problems.

I'm not a clueless, confused, newbie user.  I'm not adverse to fixing these
problems myself.  However, I'd prefer the opportunity to shoot MYSELF in the
foot prior to Mandrake grabbing the gun and doing it for me.

Well?  You got my money, how about giving me a workable product for it?

Consider putting that on a bulletin board somewhere.  You'd do well to take
it to heart.

-- 
Steve Philp
Network Administrator
Advance Packaging Corporation
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

[expert] Bug in Control-Panel

[Ken Archer]

Has anyone else experienced a bug in the control-panel that comes with Cooker? 
When I try to setup my network I get a

SyntaxError: non-default argument follows default argument (line 140)
  

-- 
Kenneth Archer + San Antonio, Texas
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   ICQ #24980801
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[expert] Bug Fixes and stuff...

[Drake]

Ladies and Gentelman,

I degress, someone has to come to Mr. Smith's defense here. He was
voiceing his opionion on a product that could or could not be faulty.
Instead of attacking him for his views, the developers should understand
that and admitt that there MAY or MAY NOT be a problem. But that is not for
us to answer but for the developer's to. And from what I am seeing he came
to someone else's defense to assist them with a problem. But everyone else
choose to attack him like a pack of wild animals. I thought we were better
then this.

I guess we are not. I for one am ashamed of the members on this list who
saw this going on and choose to do nothing to stop it.

Just my 2 cents for what's it worth. And anyone that choose's to attack me.
Do so to my e-mail address and not open it up to the list.

Thank you,

Have a nice day.

Drake Jackson

Re: [expert] Bug Reports...

[Vincent Danen]

On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, Ron Stodden wrote:

> > It's been available on the FTP site as
> > a pre-release or beta (if you will) for some time now.
> 
> I know.  Directory 6.1b contains this.There is now a new 6.1 
> directory on the mirrors in addition, which Axalon tells me is not yet 
> the real thing and changes often (so probably should be ignored).

Well, I don't know about the new 6.1 directory, but I base "release" not
on something sitting in an FTP site but on someone making some sort of
announcement (ie. "Mandrake 6.1 (Helios) is released on such and such a
date").  Since it has been announced like that and the homepage still
refers to Cassini as a beta pre-release, I'm going by that.  

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