Re: [expert] vi editor on visor/palm (OT)
Vincent Danen wrote: On Tue Sep 30, 2003 at 10:21:21PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah well, maybe someone smarter than me can port vi to palmos... =) See, we're on the same page here - c'mon 'someone', get to portin' =) Seriously though, it seems we have similar problems; cost too much for the ones that do what you want. By the time you outfit one to do the things you want, you're about $100 shy of a brand new laptop. I did check out that ssh client for Palm though, I didn't have much luck with it. Well, I have to make my palm do a net connection over bluetooth before I can attempt the ssh thing. I really should have gotten the 802.11b version. sigh Would have solved that problem easily. The thing is, for me at least, justifying the cost of these critters. The one you've just mentioned likely costs around $600. For that kind of money I might as well purchase a laptop and get all the functionality I'd need as opposed to a small and very resource limited palm pilot which is really only designed to be an electronic databook. The way they're going though puts me in mind of where cell phones are going. One of my sons recently purchased a $500 T-Mobile unit that he can get internet based news, text messages, email, and it darn thing also takes pictures! for pete's sake...its a Phone! And his reception is terrible. I have a little nokia that only does phone calls and can receive text messages through ATTT and I haven't been any place where I can't get reception. ( it cost $40 ) -- Mark If necessity is the mother of invention, then who's the father? --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.1 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] vi editor on visor/palm (OT)
The thing is, for me at least, justifying the cost of these critters. The one you've just mentioned likely costs around $600. For that kind of money I might as well purchase a laptop and get all the functionality I'd need as opposed to a small and very resource limited palm pilot which is really only designed to be an electronic databook. The way they're going though puts me in mind of where cell phones are going. One of my sons recently purchased a $500 T-Mobile unit that he can get internet based news, text messages, email, and it darn thing also takes pictures! for pete's sake...its a Phone! And his reception is terrible. I have a little nokia that only does phone calls and can receive text messages through ATTT and I haven't been any place where I can't get reception. ( it cost $40 ) -- Mark See, that's what we need, a pda that does all the things you REALLY need and dump all the other stupid stuff. Something that you could use to 'snif' a wireless network, load apps like ipcalc, send email and hold your address book (and of course, use VI). If you need text messaging or some other teeny bobber app, you could get that on your phone. -- Michael Holt Snohomish, WA (o_ [EMAIL PROTECTED](o_ (o_ //\ www.holt-tech.net(/)_ (/)_ V_/_www.mandrake.com A cynic is a person searching for an honest man, with a stolen lantern. -- Edgar A. Shoaff Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] vi editor on visor/palm (OT)
On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 22:24, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then there are fools like me who have Linux running on a Palm III . Not that I use it much anymore. Having to much fun with my laptop. James So how hard was that to set up? And did it have all the function of the palmos? Lost the keyboard. otherwise a bit more functionality. Wasn't hard at all a company alive then (don't know now) called LinuxDA had a CD I could buy. I did It installed without a hitch Only worked on the palm V and the IIIx btw. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] vi editor on visor/palm
James Sparenberg wrote: On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 20:01, Mark Weaver wrote: Vincent Danen wrote: Your wife won't let you haul around the laptop either, eh? =) Well, I just spent some time googling and the closest I've come is a version of vim for WinCE (I knew I should have gotten that HP thingy instead of the Tungsten). There's one for the Zaurus as well, which wasn't available when I got my Tungsten (well, not available to me anyways). Quite disappointing. The closest thing is some html editors for the palm... not even close to what I want. =( yep... I once took a laptop on vacation with us and you should have seen that face I got! *shiver* Dang ... and your still alive!!! man you must be fast. *grin* James Not all that fast...just have good instincts and can hide well. :) -- Mark If necessity is the mother of invention, then who's the father? --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.1 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] vi editor on visor/palm (OT)
James Sparenberg wrote: On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 22:24, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then there are fools like me who have Linux running on a Palm III . Not that I use it much anymore. Having to much fun with my laptop. James So how hard was that to set up? And did it have all the function of the palmos? Lost the keyboard. otherwise a bit more functionality. Wasn't hard at all a company alive then (don't know now) called LinuxDA had a CD I could buy. I did It installed without a hitch Only worked on the palm V and the IIIx btw. James well heck! I was a ready to spring for one till I saw how much they cost. darn it! I'll check ebay... -- Mark If necessity is the mother of invention, then who's the father? --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.1 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] vi editor on visor/palm
On Tue Sep 30, 2003 at 09:54:43PM -0700, James Sparenberg wrote:
I've been looking for something that will let me do programming on my palm
(and a word processor is *not* optimal for this), but having vi (or emacs,
really) would be really really useful (sometimes I can't justify hauling my
laptop around and want to work on code when my wife isn't looking).
If someone does know of something like this (or a programmer's editor with
syntax highlighting) for a palm, I'd love to hear it even if it is pretty
OT. =)
Come to think of it. VI was written for machines that weren't a whole
lot more powerful than the palm. So in that sense. It would rock.
Course trying to simulate all the keystrokes with graphitti would be a
real fun chore *grin*
That's why i have a keyboard for my palm... =)
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Re: [expert] vi editor on visor/palm (OT)
On Tue Sep 30, 2003 at 10:21:21PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ah well, maybe someone smarter than me can port vi to palmos... =)
See, we're on the same page here - c'mon 'someone', get to portin' =)
Seriously though, it seems we have similar problems; cost too much
for the ones that do what you want. By the time you outfit one to
do the things you want, you're about $100 shy of a brand new
laptop. I did check out that ssh client for Palm though, I didn't
have much luck with it.
Well, I have to make my palm do a net connection over bluetooth before I can
attempt the ssh thing.
I really should have gotten the 802.11b version. sigh Would have solved
that problem easily.
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Re: [expert] vi editor on visor/palm (OT)
On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 06:00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon Sep 29, 2003 at 09:41:39PM -0400, Mark Weaver wrote: [snip] WinCE??? What are you thinking??? :) What about the Zaurus; is it any good? I was really hyped for the Agenda VR3 a few years ago, but they died and I got really disappointed. I've grown pretty used to the PalmOS and I've also been looking at Sony Clie lately. A friend at work has a Clie and it's really small but has great graphics - good price too. I'd like to try the linux pda scene, but I'm concerned that I would be taking a step backward as far as graffiti support and apps and just general usability. I really would like access to linux tools though (ssh, vi, pine). They keep trying to put all these stupid features in the new pdas; they're ridiculous for the most part. I'd like something exactly like my visor, except with a color screen. I like the springboard port and being able to connect a full-size keyboard (I hate those goofy little thumb-keyboards!) And finally, I want to be able to ssh into my server with a 802.11b wireless card or a wireless modem while still connected to the keyboard. I don't ask too much, do I? mike of vim for WinCE (I knew I should have gotten that HP thingy instead of the Tungsten). There's one for the Zaurus as well, which wasn't available when I got my Tungsten (well, not available to me anyways). Quite disappointing. The closest thing is some html editors for the palm... not even close to what I want. =( new Zaurus now available - review at http://www.infosync.no/news/2002/n/4115.html Paul M Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] vi editor on visor/palm (OT)
On Mon Sep 29, 2003 at 08:00:49PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
WinCE??? What are you thinking??? :)
I'm thinking there is probably a hack to let me get Linux on a machine that
would run WinCE. =)
What about the Zaurus; is it any good? I was really hyped for the
I don't know. A fellow in town here had a prototype of the original Zaurus
and I got to play with it a little bit and it was very cool... I liked the
fact you could get a terminal on there. =) Had some other cool stuff as
well, but to get a Zaurus up here (in Canada) is really really expensive and
I don't want to deal with it if it blows up. At least with a palm or
WinCE-based pda I can go back to Future Shop with it and deal with them and
their extended warranty.
Agenda VR3 a few years ago, but they died and I got really
disappointed. I've grown pretty used to the PalmOS and I've also
been looking at Sony Clie lately. A friend at work has a Clie and
it's really small but has great graphics - good price too.
I'd like to try the linux pda scene, but I'm concerned that I
would be taking a step backward as far as graffiti support and
apps and just general usability. I really would like access to
linux tools though (ssh, vi, pine). They keep trying to put all
these stupid features in the new pdas; they're ridiculous for
the most part. I'd like something exactly like my visor, except
with a color screen. I like the springboard port and being able
to connect a full-size keyboard (I hate those goofy little
thumb-keyboards!) And finally, I want to be able to ssh into my
server with a 802.11b wireless card or a wireless modem while
still connected to the keyboard.
I don't ask too much, do I?
Nope, you're like me. =) I've got a Tungsten T and was hoping I could
share the network connection from my powerbook using bluetooth, but I
haven't been able to figure that out yet. I assume it is possible somehow,
but just need to sit down and figure it out. I was also looking at the
other Tungsten models; the integrated cell phone one was cool but I'd have
to go with a cellphone carrier that I vowed never to use again, so that was
out. The 802.11b model (Tungsten W?) looked pretty cool, but was about $300
more than what I could get my Tungsten T for, so I opted for it.
I've also got the portable fold out keyboard, and I like how the Tungsten
squishes down to become smaller. Definitely my kind of machine.
Now if I could replace PalmOS with Linux (with a way to return to it if I
wanted), that would kill. Ideally a Linux system that could run PalmOS in
some kind of virtualization... now that would rule. Or, rather, some nice
geek apps for PalmOS.
I use my Palm more for note taking, the calendar, and address book.. working
on word docs on it is a definite bonus. But I want to take that a step
further. =) I know there is a ssh for palmos (would have to hunt thru my
bookmarks to find it), so I was hoping there would be more of that kind of
thing.
Ah well, maybe someone smarter than me can port vi to palmos... =)
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Re: [expert] vi editor on visor/palm
On Mon Sep 29, 2003 at 11:01:38PM -0400, Mark Weaver wrote:
Your wife won't let you haul around the laptop either, eh? =)
Well, I just spent some time googling and the closest I've come is a
version of vim for WinCE (I knew I should have gotten that HP thingy
instead of the Tungsten). There's one for the Zaurus as well, which
wasn't available when I got my Tungsten (well, not available to me
anyways).
Quite disappointing. The closest thing is some html editors for the
palm... not even close to what I want. =(
yep... I once took a laptop on vacation with us and you should have seen
that face I got! *shiver*
hehehe... well, my wife knows not to argue about laptops on vacation... I
don't go anywhere for a long period of time without my machine. I remember
last year going to the mountains with my dad and brother... brought my ibook
with me and it went hiking around the rockies with me.
Man am I glad I was carrying that little sucker and not my old Toshiba
satellite! That 5lbs got heavy after a while!
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Re: [expert] vi editor on visor/palm
Vincent Danen wrote: hehehe... well, my wife knows not to argue about laptops on vacation... I don't go anywhere for a long period of time without my machine. I remember last year going to the mountains with my dad and brother... brought my ibook with me and it went hiking around the rockies with me. Man am I glad I was carrying that little sucker and not my old Toshiba satellite! That 5lbs got heavy after a while! Say Vincent, while I'm thinkin about it...how's come the Mandrake list software is Sympa instead of Mailman? -- Mark If necessity is the mother of invention, then who's the father? --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.1 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] vi editor on visor/palm
On Tue Sep 30, 2003 at 11:58:32AM -0400, Mark Weaver wrote:
hehehe... well, my wife knows not to argue about laptops on vacation... I
don't go anywhere for a long period of time without my machine. I remember
last year going to the mountains with my dad and brother... brought my
ibook
with me and it went hiking around the rockies with me.
Man am I glad I was carrying that little sucker and not my old Toshiba
satellite! That 5lbs got heavy after a while!
Say Vincent, while I'm thinkin about it...how's come the Mandrake list
software is Sympa instead of Mailman?
It started originally as sympa and never changed. The only reason I got the
mandrakesecure lists running under ezmlm-idx is because I use qmail on the
mandrakesecure.net server.
That will likely change in the future, however. I plan to move the
mandrakesecure lists to exim and mailman and at that point can demonstrate
that mailman is all we need. (I, too, have been requesting a change from
sympa for years).
The only thing stopping me from doing that today is the need to get my own
exim config down pat first... I have to do some major hacking to get TMDA to
sit in front of mailman so that spam is non-existant. Right now, my own
mailing lists are subscriber-only, but that still ends up with a lot of spam
sitting in the moderator queue. With qmail and ezmlm-idx it was a piece of
cake, with exim and mailman it's a little more challenging.
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Re: [expert] vi editor on visor/palm
Vincent Danen wrote: On Tue Sep 30, 2003 at 11:58:32AM -0400, Mark Weaver wrote: hehehe... well, my wife knows not to argue about laptops on vacation... I don't go anywhere for a long period of time without my machine. I remember last year going to the mountains with my dad and brother... brought my ibook with me and it went hiking around the rockies with me. Man am I glad I was carrying that little sucker and not my old Toshiba satellite! That 5lbs got heavy after a while! Say Vincent, while I'm thinkin about it...how's come the Mandrake list software is Sympa instead of Mailman? It started originally as sympa and never changed. The only reason I got the mandrakesecure lists running under ezmlm-idx is because I use qmail on the mandrakesecure.net server. That will likely change in the future, however. I plan to move the mandrakesecure lists to exim and mailman and at that point can demonstrate that mailman is all we need. (I, too, have been requesting a change from sympa for years). The only thing stopping me from doing that today is the need to get my own exim config down pat first... I have to do some major hacking to get TMDA to sit in front of mailman so that spam is non-existant. Right now, my own mailing lists are subscriber-only, but that still ends up with a lot of spam sitting in the moderator queue. With qmail and ezmlm-idx it was a piece of cake, with exim and mailman it's a little more challenging. Interesting. But since you use Qmail as opposed to Postfix, won't Qmail filter the spam as easily as Postfix does? I use postfix on my Mandrake 8.2 server and can't remember the last time I got any spam. -- Mark If necessity is the mother of invention, then who's the father? --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.1 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] vi editor on visor/palm
On Tue Sep 30, 2003 at 01:42:48PM -0400, Mark Weaver wrote:
It started originally as sympa and never changed. The only reason I got
the
mandrakesecure lists running under ezmlm-idx is because I use qmail on the
mandrakesecure.net server.
That will likely change in the future, however. I plan to move the
mandrakesecure lists to exim and mailman and at that point can demonstrate
that mailman is all we need. (I, too, have been requesting a change from
sympa for years).
The only thing stopping me from doing that today is the need to get my own
exim config down pat first... I have to do some major hacking to get TMDA
to
sit in front of mailman so that spam is non-existant. Right now, my own
mailing lists are subscriber-only, but that still ends up with a lot of
spam
sitting in the moderator queue. With qmail and ezmlm-idx it was a piece of
cake, with exim and mailman it's a little more challenging.
Interesting. But since you use Qmail as opposed to Postfix, won't Qmail
filter the spam as easily as Postfix does? I use postfix on my Mandrake
8.2 server and can't remember the last time I got any spam.
Sure, you can plug in something like spamassassin or, in my case, TMDA. But
I don't want to filter spam on that server (globally). I distrust using
spam filters on a server that serves multiple users (what's one man's spam
is another man's treasure, bla bla). On my own servers, I just filter bad
attachments; spam filtering (in my mind) should be handled client-side.
Anyways, I put TMDA in front of the mailing lists to accomplish a few
things. First, anyone subscribed can post normally. Anyone not subscribed
has to confirm their email with TMDA. If they confirm their email, it ends
up in the moderator queue. Then I confirm it, and it goes to the list.
This is a huge help for me. Instead of getting 100+ emails per month to
moderate, I get 5. I only see legitimate messages in the moderator queue.
The rest sits in TMDA's spool for 30 days before getting deleted if the
sender hasn't confirmed.
Makes administration a breeze.
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Re: [expert] vi editor on visor/palm
On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 18:34, Vincent Danen wrote: On Mon Sep 29, 2003 at 09:18:50PM -0400, Mark Weaver wrote: Hey all, I want VI on my visor - anyone got it? I've been searching ever since I got my visor about a year and a half ago, but nothing... mike Hi Mike, I admit its a novel idea, but why? writing on a visor is hard enough. throw VI into the mix and I have a feeling the visor would die, or VI on the visor would die. Either way something would be dead when its all said and done. Don't get me wrong now. On my desktop and on my servers there's nothing like VI for coding or the quick ssh editing session. I just can't see that happening on a visor. I dunno... I think vi on my palm would rock. Better than the note pad or memo pad, and while having Documents To Go is cool, I think having vi on their instead would be awesome. I've been looking for something that will let me do programming on my palm (and a word processor is *not* optimal for this), but having vi (or emacs, really) would be really really useful (sometimes I can't justify hauling my laptop around and want to work on code when my wife isn't looking). If someone does know of something like this (or a programmer's editor with syntax highlighting) for a palm, I'd love to hear it even if it is pretty OT. =) Come to think of it. VI was written for machines that weren't a whole lot more powerful than the palm. So in that sense. It would rock. Course trying to simulate all the keystrokes with graphitti would be a real fun chore *grin* James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] vi editor on visor/palm
On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 20:01, Mark Weaver wrote: Vincent Danen wrote: Your wife won't let you haul around the laptop either, eh? =) Well, I just spent some time googling and the closest I've come is a version of vim for WinCE (I knew I should have gotten that HP thingy instead of the Tungsten). There's one for the Zaurus as well, which wasn't available when I got my Tungsten (well, not available to me anyways). Quite disappointing. The closest thing is some html editors for the palm... not even close to what I want. =( yep... I once took a laptop on vacation with us and you should have seen that face I got! *shiver* Dang ... and your still alive!!! man you must be fast. *grin* James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] vi editor on visor/palm (OT)
On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 08:50, Vincent Danen wrote: On Mon Sep 29, 2003 at 08:00:49PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] WinCE??? What are you thinking??? :) I'm thinking there is probably a hack to let me get Linux on a machine that would run WinCE. =) What about the Zaurus; is it any good? I was really hyped for the I don't know. A fellow in town here had a prototype of the original Zaurus and I got to play with it a little bit and it was very cool... I liked the fact you could get a terminal on there. =) Had some other cool stuff as well, but to get a Zaurus up here (in Canada) is really really expensive and I don't want to deal with it if it blows up. At least with a palm or WinCE-based pda I can go back to Future Shop with it and deal with them and their extended warranty. Agenda VR3 a few years ago, but they died and I got really disappointed. I've grown pretty used to the PalmOS and I've also been looking at Sony Clie lately. A friend at work has a Clie and it's really small but has great graphics - good price too. I'd like to try the linux pda scene, but I'm concerned that I would be taking a step backward as far as graffiti support and apps and just general usability. I really would like access to linux tools though (ssh, vi, pine). They keep trying to put all these stupid features in the new pdas; they're ridiculous for the most part. I'd like something exactly like my visor, except with a color screen. I like the springboard port and being able to connect a full-size keyboard (I hate those goofy little thumb-keyboards!) And finally, I want to be able to ssh into my server with a 802.11b wireless card or a wireless modem while still connected to the keyboard. I don't ask too much, do I? Nope, you're like me. =) I've got a Tungsten T and was hoping I could share the network connection from my powerbook using bluetooth, but I haven't been able to figure that out yet. I assume it is possible somehow, but just need to sit down and figure it out. I was also looking at the other Tungsten models; the integrated cell phone one was cool but I'd have to go with a cellphone carrier that I vowed never to use again, so that was out. The 802.11b model (Tungsten W?) looked pretty cool, but was about $300 more than what I could get my Tungsten T for, so I opted for it. I've also got the portable fold out keyboard, and I like how the Tungsten squishes down to become smaller. Definitely my kind of machine. Now if I could replace PalmOS with Linux (with a way to return to it if I wanted), that would kill. Ideally a Linux system that could run PalmOS in some kind of virtualization... now that would rule. Or, rather, some nice geek apps for PalmOS. I use my Palm more for note taking, the calendar, and address book.. working on word docs on it is a definite bonus. But I want to take that a step further. =) I know there is a ssh for palmos (would have to hunt thru my bookmarks to find it), so I was hoping there would be more of that kind of thing. Ah well, maybe someone smarter than me can port vi to palmos... =) Then there are fools like me who have Linux running on a Palm III . Not that I use it much anymore. Having to much fun with my laptop. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] vi editor on visor/palm (OT)
[snip] Or, rather, some nice geek apps for PalmOS. =) I use my Palm more for note taking, the calendar, and address book.. working on word docs on it is a definite bonus. But I want to take that a step further. =) I know there is a ssh for palmos (would have to hunt thru my bookmarks to find it), so I was hoping there would be more of that kind of thing. Ah well, maybe someone smarter than me can port vi to palmos... =) See, we're on the same page here - c'mon 'someone', get to portin' =) Seriously though, it seems we have similar problems; cost too much for the ones that do what you want. By the time you outfit one to do the things you want, you're about $100 shy of a brand new laptop. I did check out that ssh client for Palm though, I didn't have much luck with it. Take care! mike -- Michael Holt Snohomish, WA (o_ [EMAIL PROTECTED](o_ (o_ //\ www.holt-tech.net(/)_ (/)_ V_/_www.mandrake.com A cynic is a person searching for an honest man, with a stolen lantern. -- Edgar A. Shoaff Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] vi editor on visor/palm (OT)
Then there are fools like me who have Linux running on a Palm III . Not that I use it much anymore. Having to much fun with my laptop. James So how hard was that to set up? And did it have all the function of the palmos? -- Michael Holt Snohomish, WA (o_ [EMAIL PROTECTED](o_ (o_ //\ www.holt-tech.net(/)_ (/)_ V_/_www.mandrake.com A cynic is a person searching for an honest man, with a stolen lantern. -- Edgar A. Shoaff Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] vi editor on visor/palm
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all, I want VI on my visor - anyone got it? I've been searching ever since I got my visor about a year and a half ago, but nothing... mike Hi Mike, I admit its a novel idea, but why? writing on a visor is hard enough. throw VI into the mix and I have a feeling the visor would die, or VI on the visor would die. Either way something would be dead when its all said and done. Don't get me wrong now. On my desktop and on my servers there's nothing like VI for coding or the quick ssh editing session. I just can't see that happening on a visor. -- Mark If necessity is the mother of invention, then who's the father? --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.1 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] vi editor on visor/palm
On Mon Sep 29, 2003 at 09:18:50PM -0400, Mark Weaver wrote:
Hey all,
I want VI on my visor - anyone got it? I've been searching ever
since I got my visor about a year and a half ago, but nothing...
mike
Hi Mike,
I admit its a novel idea, but why? writing on a visor is hard enough.
throw VI into the mix and I have a feeling the visor would die, or VI on
the visor would die. Either way something would be dead when its all
said and done. Don't get me wrong now. On my desktop and on my servers
there's nothing like VI for coding or the quick ssh editing session. I
just can't see that happening on a visor.
I dunno... I think vi on my palm would rock. Better than the note pad or
memo pad, and while having Documents To Go is cool, I think having vi on
their instead would be awesome.
I've been looking for something that will let me do programming on my palm
(and a word processor is *not* optimal for this), but having vi (or emacs,
really) would be really really useful (sometimes I can't justify hauling my
laptop around and want to work on code when my wife isn't looking).
If someone does know of something like this (or a programmer's editor with
syntax highlighting) for a palm, I'd love to hear it even if it is pretty
OT. =)
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Re: [expert] vi editor on visor/palm
Vincent Danen wrote: On Mon Sep 29, 2003 at 09:18:50PM -0400, Mark Weaver wrote: Hey all, I want VI on my visor - anyone got it? I've been searching ever since I got my visor about a year and a half ago, but nothing... mike Hi Mike, I admit its a novel idea, but why? writing on a visor is hard enough. throw VI into the mix and I have a feeling the visor would die, or VI on the visor would die. Either way something would be dead when its all said and done. Don't get me wrong now. On my desktop and on my servers there's nothing like VI for coding or the quick ssh editing session. I just can't see that happening on a visor. I dunno... I think vi on my palm would rock. Better than the note pad or memo pad, and while having Documents To Go is cool, I think having vi on their instead would be awesome. I've been looking for something that will let me do programming on my palm (and a word processor is *not* optimal for this), but having vi (or emacs, really) would be really really useful (sometimes I can't justify hauling my laptop around and want to work on code when my wife isn't looking). If someone does know of something like this (or a programmer's editor with syntax highlighting) for a palm, I'd love to hear it even if it is pretty OT. =) good point Vincent. I hadn't thought of it that way, but you're right. Only its got to be the latest release of Vi, and not one of the old version ported to the Visor or Palm. If I'm gonna use Vi its got to have all the cool features i've grown accustomed to with VI. -- Mark If necessity is the mother of invention, then who's the father? --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.1 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] vi editor on visor/palm
On Mon Sep 29, 2003 at 09:41:39PM -0400, Mark Weaver wrote:
I dunno... I think vi on my palm would rock. Better than the note
pad or memo pad, and while having Documents To Go is cool, I think
having vi on their instead would be awesome.
I've been looking for something that will let me do programming on my
palm (and a word processor is *not* optimal for this), but having vi
(or emacs, really) would be really really useful (sometimes I can't
justify hauling my laptop around and want to work on code when my
wife isn't looking).
If someone does know of something like this (or a programmer's editor
with syntax highlighting) for a palm, I'd love to hear it even if it
is pretty OT. =)
good point Vincent. I hadn't thought of it that way, but you're right.
Only its got to be the latest release of Vi, and not one of the old
version ported to the Visor or Palm. If I'm gonna use Vi its got to have
all the cool features i've grown accustomed to with VI.
Your wife won't let you haul around the laptop either, eh? =)
Well, I just spent some time googling and the closest I've come is a version
of vim for WinCE (I knew I should have gotten that HP thingy instead of the
Tungsten). There's one for the Zaurus as well, which wasn't available when
I got my Tungsten (well, not available to me anyways).
Quite disappointing. The closest thing is some html editors for the palm...
not even close to what I want. =(
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Re: [expert] vi editor on visor/palm
Hey Mark, Well, I've got one of those fold up keyboards that I love using. I REALLY enjoy sitting on the ferry on my way home from work and typing email or whatever and being able to edit text and save it to my smart media card which resides in my memplug on the visor and holds plenty of data. If you have an idea and want to type it out, why not use VI? No, I wouldn't want to sit and do graffiti using VI, that would be nuts... the whole point is being able use key combinations, etc. I just thought it seemed to be a natural thing to have on a geek tool like a pda :) mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all, I want VI on my visor - anyone got it? I've been searching ever since I got my visor about a year and a half ago, but nothing... mike Hi Mike, I admit its a novel idea, but why? writing on a visor is hard enough. throw VI into the mix and I have a feeling the visor would die, or VI on the visor would die. Either way something would be dead when its all said and done. Don't get me wrong now. On my desktop and on my servers there's nothing like VI for coding or the quick ssh editing session. I just can't see that happening on a visor. -- Mark If necessity is the mother of invention, then who's the father? --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.1 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Michael Holt Snohomish, WA (o_ [EMAIL PROTECTED](o_ (o_ //\ www.holt-tech.net(/)_ (/)_ V_/_www.mandrake.com Fear knocked, faith answered, no one was there... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] vi editor on visor/palm
Vincent Danen wrote: Your wife won't let you haul around the laptop either, eh? =) Well, I just spent some time googling and the closest I've come is a version of vim for WinCE (I knew I should have gotten that HP thingy instead of the Tungsten). There's one for the Zaurus as well, which wasn't available when I got my Tungsten (well, not available to me anyways). Quite disappointing. The closest thing is some html editors for the palm... not even close to what I want. =( yep... I once took a laptop on vacation with us and you should have seen that face I got! *shiver* -- Mark If necessity is the mother of invention, then who's the father? --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.1 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] vi editor on visor/palm (OT)
On Mon Sep 29, 2003 at 09:41:39PM -0400, Mark Weaver wrote:
[snip]
WinCE??? What are you thinking??? :)
What about the Zaurus; is it any good? I was really hyped for the
Agenda VR3 a few years ago, but they died and I got really
disappointed. I've grown pretty used to the PalmOS and I've also
been looking at Sony Clie lately. A friend at work has a Clie and
it's really small but has great graphics - good price too.
I'd like to try the linux pda scene, but I'm concerned that I
would be taking a step backward as far as graffiti support and
apps and just general usability. I really would like access to
linux tools though (ssh, vi, pine). They keep trying to put all
these stupid features in the new pdas; they're ridiculous for
the most part. I'd like something exactly like my visor, except
with a color screen. I like the springboard port and being able
to connect a full-size keyboard (I hate those goofy little
thumb-keyboards!) And finally, I want to be able to ssh into my
server with a 802.11b wireless card or a wireless modem while
still connected to the keyboard.
I don't ask too much, do I?
mike
of vim for WinCE (I knew I should have gotten that HP thingy
instead of the
Tungsten). There's one for the Zaurus as well, which wasn't
available when
I got my Tungsten (well, not available to me anyways).
Quite disappointing. The closest thing is some html editors for
the palm...
not even close to what I want. =(
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Re: [expert] vi editor on visor/palm
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Mark, Well, I've got one of those fold up keyboards that I love using. I REALLY enjoy sitting on the ferry on my way home from work and typing email or whatever and being able to edit text and save it to my smart media card which resides in my memplug on the visor and holds plenty of data. If you have an idea and want to type it out, why not use VI? No, I wouldn't want to sit and do graffiti using VI, that would be nuts... the whole point is being able use key combinations, etc. I just thought it seemed to be a natural thing to have on a geek tool like a pda :) mike O, I agree. 'twould be an awesome geek tool to have on a visor -- Mark If necessity is the mother of invention, then who's the father? --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.1 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] vi editor
James Sparenberg wrote: On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 16:17, lorne wrote: On Saturday 27 September 2003 02:41 pm, J.C. Woods wrote: snip Nothing better than a vi cheatsheet! It just so happens I have such a page running on my apache server. It has all the shortcuts outlined in brevity. All are welcome to download.. http://www.trismegistus.net/vi_cheatsheets.htm Absolutely and thanks! Any complaints if I copy it and put up a mirror in the TWiki? James None that I have, James. You might want to check the twiki site. Some few years ago (my but the time does hurl by on this happy mandrake list), I think the original author of the twiki site, if it is the same one, put up a link to my page. Maybe it could be done better this time, and then again, maybe the crack pipe is firmly intrenched in hand. Feel free to do whatever you think would help but keep in mind it is 1 meg pipe (dsl). drjung -- J. Craig Woods UNIX Network/System Engineer http://www.trismegistus.net/resume.htm Let him that would move the world, first move himself. --Socrates Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] vi editor
On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 02:09, J.C. Woods wrote: James Sparenberg wrote: On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 16:17, lorne wrote: On Saturday 27 September 2003 02:41 pm, J.C. Woods wrote: snip Nothing better than a vi cheatsheet! It just so happens I have such a page running on my apache server. It has all the shortcuts outlined in brevity. All are welcome to download.. http://www.trismegistus.net/vi_cheatsheets.htm Absolutely and thanks! Any complaints if I copy it and put up a mirror in the TWiki? James None that I have, James. You might want to check the twiki site. Some few years ago (my but the time does hurl by on this happy mandrake list), I think the original author of the twiki site, if it is the same one, put up a link to my page. Maybe it could be done better this time, and then again, maybe the crack pipe is firmly intrenched in hand. Feel free to do whatever you think would help but keep in mind it is 1 meg pipe (dsl). drjung Moving it to the TWiki so as not to waste your bandwidth *grin* will be easy enough adding this to my todo list *grin* James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] vi editor
--- lorne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 26 September 2003 05:43 pm, Terje Heen wrote: Hi there. How to edit the lilo.conf with vi?? Can not seem to save the read only file (not familiar with this editor :-) If you are doing this a root, you should be able to do a :w! and then :q. Hello Lorne. I'm very glad for all info I can get. Ok. so far so good. Im gonna change vga=788 to vga=normal due to a framebuffer problem. With the lilo.conf open in vi i hit i for insert and edit 788 to normal. (the text becomes blue for some reason). Then I go out with esc. and try to save. Then vi tells me argument required... Sorry for my bad knowhow about linux, but I find linux very interresting and I have to start someplace. :-) Regards. Terje __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] vi editor
--- Jack Coates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 17:43, Terje Heen wrote: Hi there. How to edit the lilo.conf with vi?? Can not seem to save the read only file (not familiar with this editor :-) Terje.. a) you can use any editor b) you'll need to be root or use sudo c) press F1 while in vi for help d) i puts you in insert mode, [esc] puts you in command mode, :x saves and closes, but if it complains about read-only file try :x! instead. :x is a shortcut for :wq (write, quit). e) this month's Linux Journal has a great article on vi f) it's the universal unix editor and well worth learning g) it's fabulously powerful and once you've learned it, you'll use it on every computer you can get it on (thank the maker for the windows port). did I mention that 9.2rc2 includes a gtk2 version of gvim? Yes, my vim is purty now too :-) *drool* AA fonts, smooth icons, *drool* -- Jack Coates Thanks for all the info Jack. Terje __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] vi editor
On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 08:30:48 -0700 (PDT), Terje Heen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- lorne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 26 September 2003 05:43 pm, Terje Heen wrote: Hi there. How to edit the lilo.conf with vi?? Can not seem to save the read only file (not familiar with this editor :-) If you are doing this a root, you should be able to do a :w! and then :q. Hello Lorne. I'm very glad for all info I can get. Ok. so far so good. Im gonna change vga=788 to vga=normal due to a framebuffer problem. With the lilo.conf open in vi i hit i for insert and edit 788 to normal. (the text becomes blue for some reason). Then I go out with esc. and try to save. Then vi tells me argument required... Sorry for my bad knowhow about linux, but I find linux very interresting and I have to start someplace. :-) :x and :wq should save your changes and exit vi, :w should save the file but not quit vi, and :save filename will save the file to a new name. Of these I listed, only :save requires an argument - the filename. There's a good primer - Learning the VI Editor by O'Reilly and it includes a Quick Reference Guide. I borrowed the book from the library, read it once, and photocopied the reference guide. hth, Phil Regards. Terje __ -- Using Mandrake Linux 9.1 www.mandrakesoft.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] vi editor
--- Phil G. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 08:30:48 -0700 (PDT), Terje Heen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- lorne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 26 September 2003 05:43 pm, Terje Heen wrote: Hi there. How to edit the lilo.conf with vi?? Can not seem to save the read only file (not familiar with this editor :-) If you are doing this a root, you should be able to do a :w! and then :q. Hello Lorne. I'm very glad for all info I can get. Ok. so far so good. Im gonna change vga=788 to vga=normal due to a framebuffer problem. With the lilo.conf open in vi i hit i for insert and edit 788 to normal. (the text becomes blue for some reason). Then I go out with esc. and try to save. Then vi tells me argument required... Sorry for my bad knowhow about linux, but I find linux very interresting and I have to start someplace. :-) :x and :wq should save your changes and exit vi, :w should save the file but not quit vi, and :save filename will save the file to a new name. Of these I listed, only :save requires an argument - the filename. There's a good primer - Learning the VI Editor by O'Reilly and it includes a Quick Reference Guide. I borrowed the book from the library, read it once, and photocopied the reference guide. Phil ! I mannaged to save the lilo.conf but the word I edited was changing color from magenta to light blue. (vga=normal) And My framebuffer is still active. is this because this blue text?? It seems that linux does not recognize this command from the lilo.conf.. or skips it... Do I have to do anything else?? Regards. Terje ( with soon mastergrade in redooting..) __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] vi editor
On Saturday 27 September 2003 08:30 am, Terje Heen wrote: --- lorne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 26 September 2003 05:43 pm, Terje Heen wrote: Hi there. How to edit the lilo.conf with vi?? Can not seem to save the read only file (not familiar with this editor :-) If you are doing this a root, you should be able to do a :w! and then :q. Hello Lorne. I'm very glad for all info I can get. Ok. so far so good. Im gonna change vga=788 to vga=normal due to a framebuffer problem. With the lilo.conf open in vi i hit i for insert and edit 788 to normal. (the text becomes blue for some reason). Then I go out with esc. and try to save. Then vi tells me argument required... Sorry for my bad knowhow about linux, but I find linux very interresting and I have to start someplace. :-) Not to worry, we were all there once. :) You just happened to pick one of the hardest editor you could think of. hahah Make SURE you are in as root. at the prompt su enter. Then password. Once you have a # prompt you are good. Then open your file and use the x key to remove a character at a time. r for replacing a character. Anyhow, once you have all the text the way you want, hit escape. You should then have a : prompt at the bottom. At this point type w! and hit enter. Then escape again and q at the : prompt. that should do it. The reason for the blue is it attempts to decode what you have to make it easier to read. I'm not sure the exact logic behind it, but it has been this way for a year or two now. Regards. Terje __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] vi editor
On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 09:48:34 -0700 (PDT), Terje Heen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Phil ! I mannaged to save the lilo.conf but the word I edited was changing color from magenta to light blue. (vga=normal) And My framebuffer is still active. is this because this blue text?? It seems that linux does not recognize this command from the lilo.conf.. or skips it... Do I have to do anything else?? Regards. Terje ( with soon mastergrade in redooting..) Yes there is another step. You must regenerate the boot sector: /sbin/lilo -v Before doing that, I recommend reading the lilo man pages, and the Black Magic of Updating http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/docs/magic.php also explains why you have to run lilo after changing lilo.conf. Phil -- Using Mandrake Linux 9.1 www.mandrakesoft.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] vi editor on visor/palm
Hey all, I want VI on my visor - anyone got it? I've been searching ever since I got my visor about a year and a half ago, but nothing... mike -- Michael Holt Snohomish, WA (o_ [EMAIL PROTECTED](o_ (o_ //\ www.holt-tech.net(/)_ (/)_ V_/_www.mandrake.com Fear knocked, faith answered, no one was there... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] vi editor
On Saturday 27 September 2003 12:48 pm, Terje Heen wrote: Phil ! I mannaged to save the lilo.conf but the word I edited was changing color from magenta to light blue. (vga=normal) And My framebuffer is still active. is this because this blue text?? It seems that linux does not recognize this command from the lilo.conf.. or skips it... Do I have to do anything else?? (I'm not Phil but...) Yes, you have to run /sbin/lilo as root for it to update and reflect the changes you just made. Regards. Terje ( with soon mastergrade in redooting..) :-) -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] vi editor
--- Ronald J. Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 27 September 2003 12:48 pm, Terje Heen wrote: Phil ! I mannaged to save the lilo.conf but the word I edited was changing color from magenta to light blue. (vga=normal) And My framebuffer is still active. is this because this blue text?? It seems that linux does not recognize this command from the lilo.conf.. or skips it... Do I have to do anything else?? (I'm not Phil but...) Yes, you have to run /sbin/lilo as root for it to update and reflect the changes you just made. Regards. Terje ( with soon mastergrade in redooting..) :-) -- Thanks Terje __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] vi editor
Phil G. wrote: On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 08:30:48 -0700 (PDT), Terje Heen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- lorne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 26 September 2003 05:43 pm, Terje Heen wrote: Hi there. How to edit the lilo.conf with vi?? Can not seem to save the read only file (not familiar with this editor :-) If you are doing this a root, you should be able to do a :w! and then :q. Hello Lorne. I'm very glad for all info I can get. Ok. so far so good. Im gonna change vga=788 to vga=normal due to a framebuffer problem. With the lilo.conf open in vi i hit i for insert and edit 788 to normal. (the text becomes blue for some reason). Then I go out with esc. and try to save. Then vi tells me argument required... Sorry for my bad knowhow about linux, but I find linux very interresting and I have to start someplace. :-) :x and :wq should save your changes and exit vi, :w should save the file but not quit vi, and :save filename will save the file to a new name. Of these I listed, only :save requires an argument - the filename. There's a good primer - Learning the VI Editor by O'Reilly and it includes a Quick Reference Guide. I borrowed the book from the library, read it once, and photocopied the reference guide. Nothing better than a vi cheatsheet! It just so happens I have such a page running on my apache server. It has all the shortcuts outlined in brevity. All are welcome to download.. http://www.trismegistus.net/vi_cheatsheets.htm -- J. Craig Woods UNIX Network/System Engineer http://www.trismegistus.net/resume.htm Let him that would move the world, first move himself. --Socrates Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] vi editor
On Saturday 27 September 2003 02:41 pm, J.C. Woods wrote: snip Nothing better than a vi cheatsheet! It just so happens I have such a page running on my apache server. It has all the shortcuts outlined in brevity. All are welcome to download.. http://www.trismegistus.net/vi_cheatsheets.htm Absolutely and thanks! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] vi editor
On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 16:17, lorne wrote: On Saturday 27 September 2003 02:41 pm, J.C. Woods wrote: snip Nothing better than a vi cheatsheet! It just so happens I have such a page running on my apache server. It has all the shortcuts outlined in brevity. All are welcome to download.. http://www.trismegistus.net/vi_cheatsheets.htm Absolutely and thanks! Any complaints if I copy it and put up a mirror in the TWiki? James __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] vi editor
Hi there. How to edit the lilo.conf with vi?? Can not seem to save the read only file (not familiar with this editor :-) Terje.. __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] vi editor
On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 17:43:41 -0700 (PDT) Terje Heen [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Hi there. How to edit the lilo.conf with vi?? Can not seem to save the read only file (not familiar with this editor :-) you need to be root to edit and save that file, ie. type su and enter your root password. -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ If little green men land in your back yard, hide any little green women you've got in the house. -- Mike Harding, The Armchair Anarchist's Almanac Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] vi editor
On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 17:43, Terje Heen wrote: Hi there. How to edit the lilo.conf with vi?? Can not seem to save the read only file (not familiar with this editor :-) Terje.. Terje, You have to edit it as root. If you are root the do w! instead of w to save it. James __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] vi editor
On Friday 26 September 2003 05:43 pm, Terje Heen wrote: Hi there. How to edit the lilo.conf with vi?? Can not seem to save the read only file (not familiar with this editor :-) If you are doing this a root, you should be able to do a :w! and then :q. Terje.. __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] vi editor
James, I have to edit the string: vga=788 to vga=normal to get in to graphic mode. __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] vi editor
On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 17:43, Terje Heen wrote: Hi there. How to edit the lilo.conf with vi?? Can not seem to save the read only file (not familiar with this editor :-) Terje.. a) you can use any editor b) you'll need to be root or use sudo c) press F1 while in vi for help d) i puts you in insert mode, [esc] puts you in command mode, :x saves and closes, but if it complains about read-only file try :x! instead. :x is a shortcut for :wq (write, quit). e) this month's Linux Journal has a great article on vi f) it's the universal unix editor and well worth learning g) it's fabulously powerful and once you've learned it, you'll use it on every computer you can get it on (thank the maker for the windows port). did I mention that 9.2rc2 includes a gtk2 version of gvim? Yes, my vim is purty now too :-) *drool* AA fonts, smooth icons, *drool* -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] vi editor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 27 September 2003 08:52 am, Terje Heen wrote: Hi James.. Thanks for reply. Hmm can not understand whats happened because I can not seem to log in as root. I am 100% shure that i have typed the login amd pwd correct... Terje. Terje, did you set your security level into higher? If so, you must login first as normal user, then su-ing into root. CMIIW. - -- Fajar http://linux.arinet.org Linux mdk91.sistek.kom 2.4.21-0.13mdk GNU/Linux 10:14:09 up 2:51, 10 users, load average: 1.95, 2.17, 2.10 Quote of the day: Q: How many Microsoft tech writers does it take to change a lightbulb? A: Twelve. One to work the bulb, and eleven to write a 1,123 page guide to changing lightbulbs (Learn Lightbulb Management in 21 Days). -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/dQDsUrYxG8KGMVERApCaAJ9emFTKXDK4fx+pQu5w4a1CCzePKwCgkOgs WsI20IV/5LdaEUBRLda9tlM= =0usy -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] vi editor
--- James Sparenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 17:43, Terje Heen wrote: Hi there. How to edit the lilo.conf with vi?? Can not seem to save the read only file (not familiar with this editor :-) Terje.. Terje, You have to edit it as root. If you are root the do w! instead of w to save it. James Hi James.. Thanks for reply. Hmm can not understand whats happened because I can not seem to log in as root. I am 100% shure that i have typed the login amd pwd correct... Terje. __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Vi editor package
Steve Browne wrote: Submitted 05-Jul-00 by ATL Oledog: I have Redhat installed on my box, but there is no vi. What package contains it? If you are using RedHat per se, why are you in this list? Mandrake has vi and vim. And RH have vi too (I've installed MDK and RH too in the same PC). my personal opinion MDK still 99% compatible and its sucessufull is part ot that. Why don't help RH users ? In future may become MDK... /my personal opinion not flame, -- ,__,_ ,___ ,-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-. ||_) ||\||_| e-mail : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | || \ ||¯\ ||¯| homepage: http://digilander.iol.it/robang | ¯¯ ¯° ¯¯ ¯° ¯¯ ° | linuxgrp: http://www.fisica.unige.it/linuxgrp | Roberto A. Foglietta `-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-'
[expert] Vi editor package
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Re: [expert] Vi editor package
On Wed, 05 Jul 2000, you wrote: I have Redhat installed on my box, but there is no vi. What package contains it? From MY RedHat 6.2 box: [john@slave1 /storage]$ rpm -qa | grep vi [snip obviously unrelated packages] vim-X11-5.6-11 vim-common-5.6-11 vim-enhanced-5.6-11 vim-minimal-5.6-11 That help? John
Re: [expert] Vi editor package
Anton Graham wrote: Submitted 05-Jul-00 by ATL Oledog: I have Redhat installed on my box, but there is no vi. What package contains it? I believe there is only vim. Vi on steroids, basically. Very nice. Try that instead. Sean Middleditch [anton@bladehawke anton]$ which vi /bin/vi [anton@bladehawke anton]$ rpm -qf $(which vi) vim-minimal-5.6-18mdk [anton@bladehawke anton]$ -- _ _|_|_ ( ) *Anton Graham /v\ / [EMAIL PROTECTED] /( )X (m_m) GPG ID: 18F78541 Penguin Powered!
Re: [expert] Vi editor package
On Thu, 06 Jul 2000 22:20:12 -0400, you wrote: Anton Graham wrote: Submitted 05-Jul-00 by ATL Oledog: I have Redhat installed on my box, but there is no vi. What package contains it? I believe there is only vim. Vi on steroids, basically. Very nice. Try that instead. Sean Middleditch If you are using RedHat per se, why are you in this list? Mandrake has vi and vim. Steve Stephen B. Browne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
