Re: [expert] a stooooooooopid question
I think dfox was having more fun with the humor of the idea than the reality.. Well, somewhat. I haven't tried that in quite a while, but I did run a couple of experiments pitting stuff like chess master vs an atari 2600 chess cartridge and a Radio shack dedicated pocket type chess computer. Basically you set one chess program to play white, the other one black, and then you input moves from one machine to the other, back and forth. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Fri, 2002-09-06 at 22:45, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 13:40 -0700, James Sparenberg wrote: Bummmer, Guess this means I don't spend the $10 US on a new copy...Unless I can find DOS 6 somewhere. I guess I need to start looking... Hmm, is it against the laws if I send you an dd-outfile of my single-floppy-DOS? It's just 1.44M which you could dd on a 1.44 floppy. I don't know, if not send me a mail. To save postage try this site: http://www.bootdisk.com/ Some of the contents are of dubious legality I'm sure, but it's a phenomenally useful resource :) Alastair signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
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At 21.02 06/09/2002, you wrote: I found it (my copy) on a 1.2 disk. I even installed a small DOS partition with my old DOS 6 and even connected an old 1.2 drive just to install Battle Chess. Now I'm playing it once in a while and ruin my Linux uptime! 1.2 disk??? did you use them? I always bought 360k disks and formatted as 720kb! It was useful because you can copy 3.5 720kb disks into those old pizzas... (5.25). Someone said something about pong, isn't it? And what about ping pong a virus for the dos environment? that lovely ball bouncing everywhere... Olaf olaf kjws.com for every kind of mail, except spam! :-) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Sat, Sep 07, 2002 at 01:40 -0400, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Fri, 2002-09-06 at 22:13, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 19:09 -0700, dfox wrote: Hey, for extra fun, run battle chess inside a dosemu session (assuming that it will do so) and then haev gnuchessx running - pit gnuchessx against battle chess and see who comes out the winner :). As I already mailed here I could not get it to work with dosemu. When the graphics get in it hangs and issues a high pitched sound. I think ist's the sound part that hangs. wobo -- Wobo, I think dfox was having more fun with the humor of the idea than the reality.. And it *is* funny, btw dfox. ;) Yes, it's funny but also quite normal to test the skill level of chess programs. I just wonder if there is a Group Against Abuse of Monsters of BattleChess because that's what it would be for the Monsters! wobo -- ... and anyway, an html can't carry a virus. (Aug 2001, Usenet) --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: #128612867 GPG-ID: A69882EE --- ISDN4LINUX-FAQ -- Deutsch: http://www.wolf-b.de/i4l/i4lfaq-de.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 22:46 -0700, James Sparenberg wrote: Wobo, Have to ask did that high pitched sound sound anything like O no Linnnuxx *grin* No. It was a shrieking sound of alarm. But as you mention it, I think underneath I heard a husky voice with a sigh: O, Liiinux! Do it again, pleeaaase! wobo -- ... and anyway, an html can't carry a virus. (Aug 2001, Usenet) --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: #128612867 GPG-ID: A69882EE --- ISDN4LINUX-FAQ -- Deutsch: http://www.wolf-b.de/i4l/i4lfaq-de.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Sat, Sep 07, 2002 at 09:37 +0100, Alastair Scott wrote: On Fri, 2002-09-06 at 22:45, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 13:40 -0700, James Sparenberg wrote: Bummmer, Guess this means I don't spend the $10 US on a new copy...Unless I can find DOS 6 somewhere. I guess I need to start looking... Hmm, is it against the laws if I send you an dd-outfile of my single-floppy-DOS? It's just 1.44M which you could dd on a 1.44 floppy. I don't know, if not send me a mail. To save postage try this site: Postage for e-mail? I knew that somewhere in the world a government administration would think about such a thing one day! :-( wobo -- ... and anyway, an html can't carry a virus. (Aug 2001, Usenet) --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: #128612867 GPG-ID: A69882EE --- ISDN4LINUX-FAQ -- Deutsch: http://www.wolf-b.de/i4l/i4lfaq-de.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Saturday 07 September 2002 01:53 am, James Sparenberg scribbled in crayon on a yellow legal pad: Does anybody else here know how to use a sliderule? (or maybe I shoud say did.. been so long I've probably forgotten.) sliderule joke Yes, and I can even subtract on a sliderule. /sliderule koke -- Hoyt http://www.maximumhoyt.com Fix it until it breaks. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Sat, 07 Sep 2002 12:22:05 +0200 Olaf Marzocchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always bought 360k disks and formatted as 720kb! It was useful because you can copy 3.5 720kb disks into those old pizzas... (5.25). Due to remote access problems and Earthlink/Mindspring blocking SMTP port, I was off-list for a while (details at http://pfortin.com/Linux/PostFix/pop-before-smtp)... I haven't checked the archives; but here's some old stuff: - IBM 407: programming done on a plugboard; complexity was measured by how much the plugboard weighed. - IBM 026/029 card punches: programmable drum for fast data entry - Sorter: did 1/4 million card passes one weekend -- many jams :^P - IBM 1401(?): tube computer -- 2 used in NORAD (North Bay, ON) -- room temp. would reach 150F in 2 minutes if A/C failed; used a wall (approx 5'x10-15' IIRC) of neon bulbs to display status -- dumping core consisted of a Polaroid picture. Drum memory (drum approx 2' in diameter and 2' high) had 90MPH surface speed. IBM 360/67: first VM machine AFAIK Interdata: one of the first non-DEC machines to run UNIX, IIRC I still have my bamboo-core slide rule. :^) Pierre Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Sat, 2002-09-07 at 13:24, Randy Kramer wrote: On Saturday 07 September 2002 03:27 pm, Vincent Danen wrote: Likewise, except I was a sysop for many years. I'm trying to remember that multi-tasking software for DOS, but the name escapes me... You need QEMM (IIRC) in order for it to run to try and handle memory better. Dang that was a long time ago. I ran VM-386 for a number of years (starting around 1985 IIRC?) -- it was a multitasking / multiuser version of DOS. I don't recall if I had to run QEMM for it, I ran QEMM by default on everything I set up. There were a few other multitasking versions of DOS -- one whose name escapes me also, but fairly well known -- somebody still has the rights to it, and, last I heard was suing Microsoft over the unfair practices which put the original owner / developer out of business. I believe you are referring to DR DOS and if memory serves me it was owned by Corel... James Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 00:43 -0700, James Sparenberg wrote: yes I remember running a cobol program that proved taht 2+2=4 and listening to some guy begging people for 30 seconds of computer time so he could finish his current class project (seems his last one had an endless loop and he ate up 2 minutes of time before someone caught it..) The large (I think it was 16 inch X 30 inch) green and white striped (so you could read across lines) paper and a red pen... This is called debugging. Then after 2 days of hair pulling and no sleep finding out that on the Honeywell -1 + 1 = -0 and 1 - 1 =0 Now the computer knows that -0 = 0 but if your test reads if x=0 do a else b and you have a -0 result... it will do b from now until forever. Even if you know it should be a. I decided at that point to go systemsHowever the Amiga brought me back to really having fun with computers. That and BBSs. That time produced more stories of this kind than you can tell in a lifetime wobo -- ... and anyway, an html can't carry a virus. (Aug 2001, Usenet) --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: #128612867 GPG-ID: A69882EE --- ISDN4LINUX-FAQ -- Deutsch: http://www.wolf-b.de/i4l/i4lfaq-de.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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yes I remember running a cobol program that proved taht 2+2=4 and listening to some guy begging people for 30 seconds of computer time so he could finish his current class project (seems his last one had an endless loop and he ate up 2 minutes of time before someone caught it..) The large (I think it was 16 inch X 30 inch) green and white striped (so you could read across lines) paper and a red pen... This is called debugging. Then after 2 days of hair pulling and no sleep finding out that on the Honeywell -1 + 1 = -0 and 1 - 1 =0 Now the computer knows that -0 = 0 but if your test reads if x=0 do a else b and you have a -0 result... it will do b from now until forever. Even if you know it should be a. I decided at that point to go systemsHowever the Amiga brought me back to really having fun with computers. That and BBSs. James I still think grep was invented to make finding your FIDO mail easier. On Thu, 2002-09-05 at 23:04, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 22:39 -0700, James Sparenberg wrote: Don't forget the TI and the one I wrote my first piece of code on ... the HP-45 RPM programmable Calculator. (more fun than the mainframe... it took forever to write, debug and view output from a program it was boring the 45 however gave me instant results.) James No. In modern times you sit there and code for a certain time, say 1 hour. Then you run the stuff through your compiling routine and see the result. You curse for a certain time, do your head-bangs-against-wall and start all over. In those times with the mainframe you sat there for some days or weeks and coded, writing the code on in forms using a pencil. Then you gave all the stuff to a data typist and waited a couple of days to get your cards punched. Meanwhile you relaxed in your favourite watering hole. During these days you went to the white coats and begged for computer time to run your program. Then after much begging and kneeling on the floor you got a schedule and waited another week. Then, on a beautiful Saturday evening you come to the holy chapel (aka the computer department) and the operator loads the stacks of cards with your program. Your program does not work like you thought it would. After debugging for 2 months you finally find out that your coding was ok but the data typist had a flue and each sneeze spoiled the card she was working on at the moment. So your program could not work. Now isn't that far from boring? wobo -- ... and anyway, an html can't carry a virus. (Aug 2001, Usenet) --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: #128612867 GPG-ID: A69882EE --- ISDN4LINUX-FAQ -- Deutsch: http://www.wolf-b.de/i4l/i4lfaq-de.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Oh, for sure - Computers were just plain *FUN* back then !!! Now, they're just a *^%in' job. We had two different ways of generating computer 'music' back then - One, was to turn to a really low band on one of those new-fangled Japanese transistor radios and set it on top of the CPU. The other way was to put the print chain in neutral, run a bunch of cards thru the reader and listen to the 'tune' on the printer. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Wolfgang Bornath Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 5:34 PM To: Expert List Subject: Re: [expert] a stopid question On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 15:12 -0700, James Sparenberg wrote: Wobo, A Univac computer for me.. and yes pitty the poor individual who didn't get the cover seated correctly on the card reader. Cards flying everywhere. (Pity them even more if thier cards weren't numbered!!) The real treat was paper tape readers Do remember watching someone edit his code with an xacto knife (couldn't get time on the card punch machines because of a power outage) by candlelight no less. That's when I decided to go systems no soldering irons and no knives hehe. But, you know, all this new shiny notebook and desktop stuff, it's handy and I love testing some new things I learned and sometimes I feel adventurous and do something like installing FreeBSD or some small Linux distro. But it's not the adventure of those times way back when. We may have cursed the d cards and the forms we wrote our assembler codes on. We may have cursed the d* white coats feeling important and whining about computer time all day long. But I felt like a boy with his electric train on Christmas eve. I don't have that feeling with any of our modern computers. Only once in a while, exactly once in a half year when the new Mandrake distro is out! Writing that reminds me of some more translations I have to do until tomorrow for the new distro. Back to work! wobo -- ... and anyway, an html can't carry a virus. (Aug 2001, Usenet) --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: #128612867 GPG-ID: A69882EE --- ISDN4LINUX-FAQ -- Deutsch: http://www.wolf-b.de/i4l/i4lfaq-de.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Mike Settle wrote: Oh, for sure - Computers were just plain *FUN* back then !!! Now, they're just a *^%in' job. We had two different ways of generating computer 'music' back then - One, was to turn to a really low band on one of those new-fangled Japanese transistor radios and set it on top of the CPU. The other way was to put the print chain in neutral, run a bunch of cards thru the reader and listen to the 'tune' on the printer. OK, all you super-annuated geeks, here's a little test that I found online: Determine how far back your computer skills go by seeing how many of the following you have experience with: Altair 8800 7-track tape 9-track tape chad bins (nothing to do with the polls) drum card card reader line printer line printer forms control tape green bar write ring core memory decollator/burster batch station overlay segments DVST graphics terminal coding form (FORTRAN or COBOL) EBCDIC 110 baud modem ASR teletype paper tape TI silent-700 (the 50 pound model, not the 5 pound one) 10 platter removable disk pack flowchart template Hazeltine 2000 Bell Labs Unix V6 or V7 nixie tube display Commodore Pet Timex Sinclair -dl And who really remembers what a statically-deskewed longitudinal check frame count is? (And I know this really appears off-topic, but this was where Linux came from :)). Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Friday 06 September 2002 11:05 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribbled in crayon on a yellow legal pad: ASR teletype These were very nice; wished I had one at the time to relace my Model 19. paper tape Chadless paper was a major improvement. -- Hoyt http://www.maximumhoyt.com Fix it until it breaks. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Not only was there discrepancies with the 'signed' zero, but IBM used to do a core dump and bring production to a screeching halt because of a 'divide by zero' error. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Wolfgang Bornath Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 6:00 AM To: Expert List Subject: Re: [expert] a stopid question On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 00:43 -0700, James Sparenberg wrote: yes I remember running a cobol program that proved taht 2+2=4 and listening to some guy begging people for 30 seconds of computer time so he could finish his current class project (seems his last one had an endless loop and he ate up 2 minutes of time before someone caught it..) The large (I think it was 16 inch X 30 inch) green and white striped (so you could read across lines) paper and a red pen... This is called debugging. Then after 2 days of hair pulling and no sleep finding out that on the Honeywell -1 + 1 = -0 and 1 - 1 =0 Now the computer knows that -0 = 0 but if your test reads if x=0 do a else b and you have a -0 result... it will do b from now until forever. Even if you know it should be a. I decided at that point to go systemsHowever the Amiga brought me back to really having fun with computers. That and BBSs. That time produced more stories of this kind than you can tell in a lifetime wobo -- ... and anyway, an html can't carry a virus. (Aug 2001, Usenet) --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: #128612867 GPG-ID: A69882EE --- ISDN4LINUX-FAQ -- Deutsch: http://www.wolf-b.de/i4l/i4lfaq-de.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Fri, 6 Sep 2002 11:42:10 -0400 HoytDuff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 06 September 2002 11:05 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribbled in crayon on a yellow legal pad: ASR teletype These were very nice; wished I had one at the time to relace my Model 19. What? No 14...? : paper tape Chadless paper was a major improvement. Sure kept the oil spots off your clothes... then there was chadless Mylar tape for Releases... Pierre Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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It sure is interesting to read some of these old war (or is that whore) stories. I didn't get into computers until about '91. the best i can claim is writing DOS batch files to give a color menu display (rather than just c:), and automating common tasks. I DO remember back to the mid-70's when my mom worked in the payroll dept. of a medium-sized company, they had a CYCLE 4 mini-comp. About the size of a large refrigerator, with two terminals hung off it. Used to play a game called star-trek; with an E for the Enterprise, a K for the Klingons, an * for photon torpedoes, etc etc. Ken On Fri, 2002-09-06 at 11:27, dh wrote: On Thursday 05 September 2002 07:24 am, Mark Weaver wrote: Alastair My GOD! where do I find one of these marvelous machines? I WANT ONE!! they sound perfectly awesome. I can't help but wonder why in the world they're not still produced. What caused their downfall? See my other post as well - it has more good points. The biggest drawback is limited screenmodes (by todays standards) w/out extremely overpriced video cards. There are numerous modes but you need a monitor that syscs down to 30khz to use alot of theme and 15khz (read you can plug it into your tv) for many others. I had mine plugged into an old sony trinitron multisync and was able to run 800x600x64 colors reasonably well at 31.5khz but it took some monkeying to do. Historic note - I think I paid around 800$ for my original 14 multisync (15khz to around 75khz i believe) monitor in 1992. check out http://www.amiga.com What they are up to now. http://www.softhut.com/Amiga computers for sale http://www.amithlon.net/amithlon.shtmlA great x86 emulation http://www.freiburg.linux.de/~uae/emulator http://cloanto.com/amiga/forever/commercial uae package Ok, I'll stop, Back to your regularly scheduled Mandrake related list -- dh Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Thu, 2002-09-05 at 16:13, James Sparenberg wrote: Note to that the early flight simulators (and in fact many still running) use to train professional pilots as well as battle field simulation software. All ran on Amiga 2000s. Does anyone remember Battle Chess? Full 3d animation on a single 1.2 meg floppy. I remember Battle Chess very well. We were running it on 386's, and connecting by modem, if memory serves. Very fun to watch; I've got a copy around here somewhere... LX -- °°° Kernel 2.4.18-6mdk Mandrake Linux 8.2 Enlightenment 0.16.5-11mdkEvolution 1.0.2-5mdk Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 14:50 -0400, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Thu, 2002-09-05 at 16:13, James Sparenberg wrote: Note to that the early flight simulators (and in fact many still running) use to train professional pilots as well as battle field simulation software. All ran on Amiga 2000s. Does anyone remember Battle Chess? Full 3d animation on a single 1.2 meg floppy. I remember Battle Chess very well. We were running it on 386's, and connecting by modem, if memory serves. Very fun to watch; I've got a copy around here somewhere... I found it (my copy) on a 1.2 disk. I even installed a small DOS partition with my old DOS 6 and even connected an old 1.2 drive just to install Battle Chess. Now I'm playing it once in a while and ruin my Linux uptime! wobo (who's Lara Croft anyway?) -- ... and anyway, an html can't carry a virus. (Aug 2001, Usenet) --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: #128612867 GPG-ID: A69882EE --- ISDN4LINUX-FAQ -- Deutsch: http://www.wolf-b.de/i4l/i4lfaq-de.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Fri, 2002-09-06 at 12:02, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 14:50 -0400, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Thu, 2002-09-05 at 16:13, James Sparenberg wrote: Note to that the early flight simulators (and in fact many still running) use to train professional pilots as well as battle field simulation software. All ran on Amiga 2000s. Does anyone remember Battle Chess? Full 3d animation on a single 1.2 meg floppy. I remember Battle Chess very well. We were running it on 386's, and connecting by modem, if memory serves. Very fun to watch; I've got a copy around here somewhere... I found it (my copy) on a 1.2 disk. I even installed a small DOS partition with my old DOS 6 and even connected an old 1.2 drive just to install Battle Chess. Now I'm playing it once in a while and ruin my Linux uptime! wobo (who's Lara Croft anyway?) Wobo, question is ... Will it run under dosemu? -- ... and anyway, an html can't carry a virus. (Aug 2001, Usenet) --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: #128612867 GPG-ID: A69882EE --- ISDN4LINUX-FAQ -- Deutsch: http://www.wolf-b.de/i4l/i4lfaq-de.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Fri, 2002-09-06 at 08:34, Ken Hawkins wrote: It sure is interesting to read some of these old war (or is that whore) stories. I didn't get into computers until about '91. the best i can claim is writing DOS batch files to give a color menu display (rather than just c:), and automating common tasks. I DO remember back to the mid-70's when my mom worked in the payroll dept. of a medium-sized company, they had a CYCLE 4 mini-comp. About the size of a large refrigerator, with two terminals hung off it. Used to play a game called star-trek; with an E for the Enterprise, a K for the Klingons, an * for photon torpedoes, etc etc. Ken Ken, I know the guy who wrote that one... it was written originally on paper tape ... and lots of scotch tape. James On Fri, 2002-09-06 at 11:27, dh wrote: On Thursday 05 September 2002 07:24 am, Mark Weaver wrote: Alastair My GOD! where do I find one of these marvelous machines? I WANT ONE!! they sound perfectly awesome. I can't help but wonder why in the world they're not still produced. What caused their downfall? See my other post as well - it has more good points. The biggest drawback is limited screenmodes (by todays standards) w/out extremely overpriced video cards. There are numerous modes but you need a monitor that syscs down to 30khz to use alot of theme and 15khz (read you can plug it into your tv) for many others. I had mine plugged into an old sony trinitron multisync and was able to run 800x600x64 colors reasonably well at 31.5khz but it took some monkeying to do. Historic note - I think I paid around 800$ for my original 14 multisync (15khz to around 75khz i believe) monitor in 1992. check out http://www.amiga.com What they are up to now. http://www.softhut.com/Amiga computers for sale http://www.amithlon.net/amithlon.shtmlA great x86 emulation http://www.freiburg.linux.de/~uae/emulator http://cloanto.com/amiga/forever/commercial uae package Ok, I'll stop, Back to your regularly scheduled Mandrake related list -- dh Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Friday 06 September 2002 03:47 pm, James Sparenberg scribbled in crayon on a yellow legal pad: Used to play a game called star-trek; with an E for the Enterprise, a K for the Klingons, an * for photon torpedoes, etc etc. Ken Ken, I know the guy who wrote that one... it was written originally on paper tape ... and lots of scotch tape. James First computer game I ever played. Pong was my first console game. -- Hoyt http://www.maximumhoyt.com Fix it until it breaks. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Fri, 6 Sep 2002 16:07:47 -0400 HoytDuff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First computer game I ever played. Pong was my first console game. White on black and moved at the speed of a snail. Charles -- Woodward's Law: A theory is better than its explanation. -- Charles A Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Thu, 2002-09-05 at 18:29, Mark Weaver wrote: Thats it! I'm going to have to grab one of these things. I haven't been this jazzed about a machine for a long time. Well, I put my money where my mouth is and will soon be the owner of an Amiga 1200 with 16MB RAM, 340MB hard drive, CD-ROM and 68030/68882 accelerator board, in a tower case, for the utterly preposterous sum of £57 ... ! You should have no problem finding one. I put 'amiga' into ebay.co.uk and was stunned to come back with 938 matches; I expected 50 or 60 at most. Alastair signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
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After having been whupped by that game numerous times, and never having met anyone who played and won, I have 2 questions for your friend: 1) Did anyone ever actually WIN that game? 2) Does he program for Microsoft now? sorry, low blow, but I am STILL pissed at that game. Ken PS Amiga RULZ! (the rest of the world is still playing ketchup) PPS Mandatory ON TOPIC: I bunged my main home computer (MDK8.2) when I tried to install w2k [DONT GO THERE!]. Since I managed to make it even worse, I am now going to a clean-sheet install. I will be doing MDK 8.2, Win98, and W2K. I have 3 separate drives (6gb, 20gb, and 30gb). Any recommendations for install order, and partition schema? 8.2 ran just ducky, but is there justification to go to 9.0? THX in advance On Fri, 2002-09-06 at 15:47, James Sparenberg wrote: On Fri, 2002-09-06 at 08:34, Ken Hawkins wrote: play a game called star-trek; with an E for the Enterprise, a K for the Klingons, an * for photon torpedoes, etc etc. Ken I know the guy who wrote that one... it was written originally on paper tape ... and lots of scotch tape. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 12:45 -0700, James Sparenberg wrote: On Fri, 2002-09-06 at 12:02, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 14:50 -0400, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: I remember Battle Chess very well. We were running it on 386's, and connecting by modem, if memory serves. Very fun to watch; I've got a copy around here somewhere... I found it (my copy) on a 1.2 disk. I even installed a small DOS partition with my old DOS 6 and even connected an old 1.2 drive just to install Battle Chess. Now I'm playing it once in a while and ruin my Linux uptime! wobo (who's Lara Croft anyway?) Wobo, question is ... Will it run under dosemu? I knew you'd ask! That's what I tested first but I could not get it to run. As soon as the graphics start it hangs, gives a high pitched sound. Thank $DEITY I don't have a dog! No prob, I have a 20M partition with DOS6 and this way I can also use all my little DOS test tools for hardware testing (chipset, memory, 2nd-level-cache, etc.) wobo -- ... and anyway, an html can't carry a virus. (Aug 2001, Usenet) --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: #128612867 GPG-ID: A69882EE --- ISDN4LINUX-FAQ -- Deutsch: http://www.wolf-b.de/i4l/i4lfaq-de.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Bummmer, Guess this means I don't spend the $10 US on a new copy...Unless I can find DOS 6 somewhere. I guess I need to start looking... James On Fri, 2002-09-06 at 13:30, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 12:45 -0700, James Sparenberg wrote: On Fri, 2002-09-06 at 12:02, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 14:50 -0400, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: I remember Battle Chess very well. We were running it on 386's, and connecting by modem, if memory serves. Very fun to watch; I've got a copy around here somewhere... I found it (my copy) on a 1.2 disk. I even installed a small DOS partition with my old DOS 6 and even connected an old 1.2 drive just to install Battle Chess. Now I'm playing it once in a while and ruin my Linux uptime! wobo (who's Lara Croft anyway?) Wobo, question is ... Will it run under dosemu? I knew you'd ask! That's what I tested first but I could not get it to run. As soon as the graphics start it hangs, gives a high pitched sound. Thank $DEITY I don't have a dog! No prob, I have a 20M partition with DOS6 and this way I can also use all my little DOS test tools for hardware testing (chipset, memory, 2nd-level-cache, etc.) wobo -- ... and anyway, an html can't carry a virus. (Aug 2001, Usenet) --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: #128612867 GPG-ID: A69882EE --- ISDN4LINUX-FAQ -- Deutsch: http://www.wolf-b.de/i4l/i4lfaq-de.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Fri, 2002-09-06 at 16:34, Ken Hawkins wrote: It sure is interesting to read some of these old war (or is that whore) stories. I didn't get into computers until about '91. the best i can claim is writing DOS batch files to give a color menu display (rather than just c:), and automating common tasks. Considering DOS, I began with 5.25 floppy disks on IBM ATs, which were built like tanks - green screens, enormously thick case metal and the on-off switch made a satisfying clunk, On these my company used a word processor, Lotus Manuscript, which suddenly vanished without trace and caused a Big Problem because of its closed file format ... I started using Unix in 1990 on SunOS machines. They were disappointingly modern - nothing particularly archaic in them apart from: - the recovery medium was a reel-to-reel tape as it wasn't possible to boot from anything else when things got into real trouble (and fsck took hours to run); - we were doing numerical calculations in FORTRAN, decided it was a bit slow and went for a 68882 accelerator board (the 'workstation chip' was a 68030 running at about 24MHz). The said board was about two feet square and absolutely covered with chips ;) On the other hand, I was one of the many recipients of a University of Edinburgh punched card that year. That was because its high-energy physics section had finally transcribed 20 years of CERN data from punched card to magnetic tape. (I presume these poor people are now transcribing the magnetic tapes onto CD-R or similar ...). Alastair signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
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On Fri, 2002-09-06 at 08:42, HoytDuff wrote: On Friday 06 September 2002 11:05 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribbled in crayon on a yellow legal pad: ASR teletype These were very nice; wished I had one at the time to relace my Model 19. paper tape Chadless paper was a major improvement. Chad was what you sprinkeled on the carpet of someone you couldn't stand it would take months to get it all up. But seriously We use to send people on chases for the bit bucket to protect against memory over flow... Had one poor guy convinced that that's what a chad bin was for. James -- Hoyt http://www.maximumhoyt.com Fix it until it breaks. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Fri, 2002-09-06 at 12:20, Ken Hawkins wrote: PPS Mandatory ON TOPIC: I bunged my main home computer (MDK8.2) when I tried to install w2k [DONT GO THERE!]. Since I managed to make it even worse, I am now going to a clean-sheet install. I will be doing MDK 8.2, Win98, and W2K. I have 3 separate drives (6gb, 20gb, and 30gb). Any recommendations for install order, and partition schema? 8.2 ran just ducky, but is there justification to go to 9.0? The order to install OSes is: Win9x, then NT/2000/XP, then Linux. The reason is that Win 9x is too stupid to recognize multiple-OS installations, and will automatically overwrite the boot sector of your PC during installation. This is easy to fix in Linux, just boot from the CD or floppy, and re-run LILO. But if you're doing fresh installs anyway, then you might as well just do it right the first time :-) WinNT/2000/XP will recognize an installation of Win9x, so it will overwrite the boot sector, but it will give you a dual-boot option so you can choose Win9x or WinNT/2000. Finally, Mandrake (or any Linux) will recognize all of your partitions, and will correctly allow you to multi-boot all of your installed OSes, as it should be. For partition schemas, it's really hard to say because I don't know your filesystem and security requirements. I generally try to install the OS on a separate partition from the apps, and the apps on a separate partition from the data, thus I use 3 partitions *per Windows OS*, and even more than that for Linux (generally /var, /home, /boot and /usr get their own partitions, and I leave the rest as one partition, thus 5 Linux partitions -- YMMV). I also prefer to use NTFS on all WinNT/2000 partitions. But doing so will mean that Win 9x can't read your data partition, and Linux can read but can't write your data partition (actually, can Linux read from NTFS 5? Maybe not, maybe only NTFS 4 ...). Is this a problem? You tell me. If you need the data accessible to all OSes, then put it on a FAT32 partition, preferably a different from the partition that Win 9x is installed on. If Win9x is only for gaming, then keep your data on something mutually readable for Win2k and Linux, probably requiring FAT32 if you want Linux to have write access to the data. I can't speak to your question about Mandrake 9.0, but I plan on upgrading sometime after it's been officially released, maybe 6 months (and preferably an additional point release, to 9.1). -- Dave Sherman| They that can give up essential liberty MCSE, MCSA, CCNA| to obtain a little temporary safety | deserve neither liberty nor safety. |- Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
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On Friday 06 September 2002 04:40 pm, James Sparenberg scribbled in crayon on a yellow legal pad: Bummmer, Guess this means I don't spend the $10 US on a new copy...Unless I can find DOS 6 somewhere. I guess I need to start looking... http://www.paragon-gmbh.com/f_dos.htm US$14.95 -- Hoyt http://www.maximumhoyt.com Fix it until it breaks. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 13:40 -0700, James Sparenberg wrote: Bummmer, Guess this means I don't spend the $10 US on a new copy...Unless I can find DOS 6 somewhere. I guess I need to start looking... Hmm, is it against the laws if I send you an dd-outfile of my single-floppy-DOS? It's just 1.44M which you could dd on a 1.44 floppy. I don't know, if not send me a mail. wobo -- ... and anyway, an html can't carry a virus. (Aug 2001, Usenet) --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: #128612867 GPG-ID: A69882EE --- ISDN4LINUX-FAQ -- Deutsch: http://www.wolf-b.de/i4l/i4lfaq-de.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Wife is going to kill me *grin* James On Fri, 2002-09-06 at 14:30, HoytDuff wrote: On Friday 06 September 2002 04:40 pm, James Sparenberg scribbled in crayon on a yellow legal pad: Bummmer, Guess this means I don't spend the $10 US on a new copy...Unless I can find DOS 6 somewhere. I guess I need to start looking... http://www.paragon-gmbh.com/f_dos.htm US$14.95 -- Hoyt http://www.maximumhoyt.com Fix it until it breaks. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Fri, 2002-09-06 at 10:20, Ken Hawkins wrote: After having been whupped by that game numerous times, and never having met anyone who played and won, I have 2 questions for your friend: 1) Did anyone ever actually WIN that game? His version yes.. it says You won ... wanna play again. 2) Does he program for Microsoft now? Never did... it was a BBS version that predates M$'s version. Originally ran over Arpa Net sorry, low blow, but I am STILL pissed at that game. Ken PS Amiga RULZ! (the rest of the world is still playing ketchup) PPS Mandatory ON TOPIC: I bunged my main home computer (MDK8.2) when I tried to install w2k [DONT GO THERE!]. Since I managed to make it even worse, I am now going to a clean-sheet install. I will be doing MDK 8.2, Win98, and W2K. I have 3 separate drives (6gb, 20gb, and 30gb). Any recommendations for install order, and partition schema? 8.2 ran just ducky, but is there justification to go to 9.0? THX in advance On Fri, 2002-09-06 at 15:47, James Sparenberg wrote: On Fri, 2002-09-06 at 08:34, Ken Hawkins wrote: play a game called star-trek; with an E for the Enterprise, a K for the Klingons, an * for photon torpedoes, etc etc. Ken I know the guy who wrote that one... it was written originally on paper tape ... and lots of scotch tape. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Hmm, is it against the laws if I send you an dd-outfile of my single-floppy-DOS? It's just 1.44M which you could dd on a 1.44 floppy. Technically yes. Will anyone care is another matter. :) does it have to be DOS 6? What about an open dos image? Isn't DR DOS now GPL or a reasonable equivalent? I've been out of the DOS scene for so long ... ;) wobo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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I found it (my copy) on a 1.2 disk. I even installed a small DOS partition with my old DOS 6 and even connected an old 1.2 drive just to Hey, for extra fun, run battle chess inside a dosemu session (assuming that it will do so) and then haev gnuchessx running - pit gnuchessx against battle chess and see who comes out the winner :). Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 19:09 -0700, dfox wrote: I found it (my copy) on a 1.2 disk. I even installed a small DOS partition with my old DOS 6 and even connected an old 1.2 drive just to Hey, for extra fun, run battle chess inside a dosemu session (assuming that it will do so) and then haev gnuchessx running - pit gnuchessx against battle chess and see who comes out the winner :). As I already mailed here I could not get it to work with dosemu. When the graphics get in it hangs and issues a high pitched sound. I think ist's the sound part that hangs. wobo -- ... and anyway, an html can't carry a virus. (Aug 2001, Usenet) --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: #128612867 GPG-ID: A69882EE --- ISDN4LINUX-FAQ -- Deutsch: http://www.wolf-b.de/i4l/i4lfaq-de.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Not only was there discrepancies with the 'signed' zero, but IBM used to do a core dump and bring production to a screeching halt because of a 'divide by zero' error. At least we didn't get the whole core dumped (on paper) -- worst case scenario for us students was that we'd get something like a data exception error and have our program abend with a dozen pages of dump printout or so. I was taking (and helping out) courses at a local community college, learning 370 assembly along with other stuff. I got pretty good at being able to debug stuff ;). Our computer staff made everyone put in a hook to a timing routine that would fix all those infinite loop problems - it would just abend with a systim error. FWIW, you could do the same thing (I think) in Linux with signal() and hooking onto SIGALRM, setting up code that for instance aborts after so many seconds of cpu time. Of course, with today's computers, even ones we used back then - 30 seconds of machine time is quite a lot. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Don't forget the TI and the one I wrote my first piece of code on ... the HP-45 RPM programmable Calculator. (more fun than the mainframe... memories :) My first programming was done on a TI 59 calculator. It's actually a good approach, particularly when later on learning assembler level programming both on mainframes and TRS 80s. It's a lot like machine language - except for the most part the instructions do more. It's more that way on the HP than on the TIs because the HPs use RPN. I still have an HP (model 16C) not as powerful as the 59, but my 59 died years ago :(. Interesting thing about calculators - the newer ones are so much more powerful. My brother for instance got a TI-82 or soemthing recently as part of a class requirement. He's not that strong in math, but that thing can do nearly everything - I mean it's like having Mathematica in a handheld... :) James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Friday 06 September 2002 11:05 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Mike Settle wrote: Oh, for sure - Computers were just plain *FUN* back then !!! Now, they're just a *^%in' job. We had two different ways of generating computer 'music' back then - One, was to turn to a really low band on one of those new-fangled Japanese transistor radios and set it on top of the CPU. The other way was to put the print chain in neutral, run a bunch of cards thru the reader and listen to the 'tune' on the printer. OK, all you super-annuated geeks, here's a little test that I found online: Determine how far back your computer skills go by seeing how many of the following you have experience with: OK, sounds like fun. BTW, (in case you haven't figured it out from my other postings) I'm not a computer professional) but a retired mechanical engineer who's been using these things since the mid-60's. Altair 8800 Was that the one with all of the switches on the front? If so, I've seen several run, but I didn't actually touch them. Old rule of mine: Don't push buttons on expensive machines that don't belong to me. 7-track tape 9-track tape Yup. chad bins (nothing to do with the polls) Yup. Spilled one, once. Learned that it's a bitch chasing those things with only a corn broom and fingers as tools. drum card Huh? card reader Yup. line printer Amazing machines -- noisy as hell (especially with the cover up), but they could really crank out the paper. Don't get frisky with form feeds, and hope the ribbon doesn't go south on your shift. line printer forms control tape Luckily, I managed to duck that bit. green bar A great invention. Those great long transparent rulers were useful, too. write ring Huh? core memory Yup. decollator/burster Yup. Careful with the carbon sheets if you're kind of clumsy and you wear white shirts, though. batch station overlay segments DVST graphics terminal Huh? coding form (FORTRAN or COBOL) I threw away some FORTRAN and BASIC pads just last year. EBCDIC Yes, indeed. I once had an Anderson Jacobsen printer that was based on the Selectric consoles used on the IBM System 370. Although the type balls used on them were dimensionally identical to the type balls used on standard office Selectric typewriters, the positioning of the characters was quite different. The office type balls were much less expensive (sometimes free), and offered a better selection of fonts, so I hand coded a Z80 assembly language driver that allowed me to use either kind of type ball. 110 baud modem ASR teletype My wife put me through engineering school as an ATT Long Lines teletype operator, and she drove one of those things all day long. Back in those days, all teletype switching was done manually. Luckily, I graduated (1961) shortly before the system was converted to dialup. Several years later (1967), I got first hand experience with dialup teletype to access a shared time computer running GE's Dartmouth BASIC. (As in 10 LET A=5, etc.) One of the funniest things that I've ever seen was a slow motion film made of an ASR-33 mounted on a shake table, and subjected to a shock spectrum that simulated a nuclear blast. First, the sheet metal covers peeled off, and then it began to stream paper upwards to the ceiling. A pawl on the feed mechanism was displaced from the ratchet, so the paper just kept on going. And going. paper tape Yup -- that was how we backed up our programs on the shared time setup. TI silent-700 (the 50 pound model, not the 5 pound one) No, but I knew a guy who had a Kaypro. Does that count? 10 platter removable disk pack Also called a cake platter because it looked like those dishes that they used to have in roadside diners. flowchart template Sure. We designer types had templates for everything. Hazeltine 2000 No. Was that anything like an ADM-3A? Bell Labs Unix V6 or V7 No, that came after I left there. Besides, I was way at the other end of the organization charts, worrying about how to make sure that you could call your Aunt Tillie in Boise after the Big Ones were dropped. nixie tube display Yup. Mostly on lab equipment -- not sure that I ever saw one on a computer. Commodore Pet Timex Sinclair Does owning an Exidy Sorcerer count? True story: I spent $140 to expand the memory from 16kb to 32 kb. Pretty much eliminated OUT OF RAM messages unless I got careless with DIM statements. -dl And who really remembers what a statically-deskewed longitudinal check frame count is? No. Nor does anyone else. Even the guy who invented has forgotten it. (And I know this really appears off-topic, but this was where Linux came from :)). Thanks. This has been a ball. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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..just wanted to butt in to say i'm sad i can't post any good ole times memories.. i'm really enjoying this thread.. reminds me of my first atari games when i was about 5 years old.. (and it's not stopid at all... but it did get looong :o)) Damian -- boot into windows? what has smashing glass with footwear got to do with Operating systems? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Fri, 2002-09-06 at 01:39, James Sparenberg wrote: On Thu, 2002-09-05 at 22:12, Ricardo Castanho de O. Freitas wrote: On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, Mark Weaver wrote: Then how about Commodore, Sinclair (was that the spelling?) and others? Don't forget the TI and the one I wrote my first piece of code on ... the HP-45 RPM programmable Calculator. (more fun than the mainframe... it took forever to write, debug and view output from a program it was boring the 45 however gave me instant results.) James The first code I wrote was on a Tandy Color computer (CoCo) in basic. I had 16k to work with and no backup cassette tapes, so I had to write everything down as I made corrections onscreen. Somewhere around the year 1979. No hard drive, so everything went when the computer was powered down. Whenever I wanted to run the program again, I would power the computer on and break out my notebook. Then I'd start typing the program in again from the notebook notes. After that I could run the game. ;) L8r, LX -- °°° Kernel 2.4.18-6mdk Mandrake Linux 8.2 Enlightenment 0.16.5-11mdkEvolution 1.0.2-5mdk Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Fri, 2002-09-06 at 22:13, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 19:09 -0700, dfox wrote: I found it (my copy) on a 1.2 disk. I even installed a small DOS partition with my old DOS 6 and even connected an old 1.2 drive just to Hey, for extra fun, run battle chess inside a dosemu session (assuming that it will do so) and then haev gnuchessx running - pit gnuchessx against battle chess and see who comes out the winner :). As I already mailed here I could not get it to work with dosemu. When the graphics get in it hangs and issues a high pitched sound. I think ist's the sound part that hangs. wobo -- Wobo, I think dfox was having more fun with the humor of the idea than the reality.. And it *is* funny, btw dfox. ;) LX -- °°° Kernel 2.4.18-6mdk Mandrake Linux 8.2 Enlightenment 0.16.5-11mdkEvolution 1.0.2-5mdk Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Fri, 2002-09-06 at 19:13, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 19:09 -0700, dfox wrote: I found it (my copy) on a 1.2 disk. I even installed a small DOS partition with my old DOS 6 and even connected an old 1.2 drive just to Hey, for extra fun, run battle chess inside a dosemu session (assuming that it will do so) and then haev gnuchessx running - pit gnuchessx against battle chess and see who comes out the winner :). As I already mailed here I could not get it to work with dosemu. When the graphics get in it hangs and issues a high pitched sound. I think ist's the sound part that hangs. Wobo, Have to ask did that high pitched sound sound anything like O no Linnnuxx *grin* James wobo -- ... and anyway, an html can't carry a virus. (Aug 2001, Usenet) --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: #128612867 GPG-ID: A69882EE --- ISDN4LINUX-FAQ -- Deutsch: http://www.wolf-b.de/i4l/i4lfaq-de.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Fri, 2002-09-06 at 21:18, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Fri, 2002-09-06 at 01:39, James Sparenberg wrote: On Thu, 2002-09-05 at 22:12, Ricardo Castanho de O. Freitas wrote: On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, Mark Weaver wrote: Then how about Commodore, Sinclair (was that the spelling?) and others? Don't forget the TI and the one I wrote my first piece of code on ... the HP-45 RPM programmable Calculator. (more fun than the mainframe... it took forever to write, debug and view output from a program it was boring the 45 however gave me instant results.) James The first code I wrote was on a Tandy Color computer (CoCo) in basic. I had 16k to work with and no backup cassette tapes, so I had to write everything down as I made corrections onscreen. Somewhere around the year 1979. No hard drive, so everything went when the computer was powered down. Whenever I wanted to run the program again, I would power the computer on and break out my notebook. Then I'd start typing the program in again from the notebook notes. After that I could run the game. ;) Know that one... tried editing some code one day the old fashioned way... but the red pen just messed up my screen *grin*. During my time at CWRU one of the classes required that you wipe the memory on your programable TI's and HP's. the groans were unbelievable as many had probably spent more time programing than studying Now I did notice one thing missing from the trivia list though Does anybody else here know how to use a sliderule? (or maybe I shoud say did.. been so long I've probably forgotten.) James L8r, LX -- °°° Kernel 2.4.18-6mdk Mandrake Linux 8.2 Enlightenment 0.16.5-11mdkEvolution 1.0.2-5mdk Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Good grief! how in the world did one get any work done seeing as it took all night just to compile one program? Not easily, to be sure. When I was just starting computer classes, turn- around time for some cobol jobs could be as long as six hours. You'd go into the lab early in the morning, and then come back a few hours later, to see if your program got compiled and/or ran. But then we had a rather overloaded 370 system, and it was used for all campus DP; students got a rather low priority. Usually things were OK, but during registration and finals it got really bogged down. Considering a fairly large user base, I figure one did pretty well actually. After all, compiling is a pretty stressful task. But then again, compiling large jobs (kernel, emacs, that sort of thing) took several hours to complete when I first started on a 386sx running Linux. But of course, you could do other things in the meantime. :) (Remember running DOS and sitting there staring at a screen, not able to do anything until a download completed?) And then (even some years later) really big jobs (parts of kde) could take all night to compile, especially on an underpowered system without enough RAM. (Our school system back then had a whopping *2* mega- bytes of core, and could only address sixteen in virtual mode. Must have been a *ton* of disk paging going on back there in the machine room). Mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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12 years of unix here... Darren On Thu, 2002-09-05 at 12:30, Benjamin Pflugmann wrote: Hi. Well, only about 8 years of UNIX, not 10. And 18(?) years with computers. Don't know if I would call me a hard-core UNIX head (I don't like vi, you see? ;-). On Wed 2002-09-04 at 12:32:52 -0700, James Sparenberg wrote: Over 10 years on computers not always nix (I miss my Amiga *grin*) Well I miss mine, too. Although I kept it, it's only sleeping all the time in this corner. *pat* *pat* Bye, Benjamin. On Wed, 2002-09-04 at 06:27, Mark Weaver wrote: [...] Ok...lets have a show of hands here. How many hard-core Unix system heads have we here with 10 or more years of experience. I'm starting to feel as though there is a vast chache of untapped knowledge lurking in the shadows. [...] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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James Sparenberg wrote: Over 10 years on computers not always nix (I miss my Amiga *grin*) James I've been hearing a lot about Amigas and invariably the people always say they miss them. What was so special about them that they're so sorely missed? I wouldn't know an Amiga computer if I fell over one. Mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (09/05/2002 11:55) James Sparenberg wrote: Over 10 years on computers not always nix (I miss my Amiga *grin*) James I've been hearing a lot about Amigas and invariably the people always say they miss them. What was so special about them that they're so sorely missed? I wouldn't know an Amiga computer if I fell over one. They were way ahead of their time and, in some ways, still are: - the entire OS fits on an 0.5MB ROM (so booting is instantaneous); - extensive use of custom chips to handle graphics, sound etc (no kludges or compromises over time as the design was 'perfect' to begin with, and no driver problems as the hardware is well defined); - dazzling speed from a 'feeble' 68000 both because of an optimal division of labour between CPU and custom chips and because (I believe) some of the OS, at least, was written in assembly language; - although not Linux-based the command line was very powerful, far beyond DOS or similar, and offered things such as scripting languages (eg REXX) which were unheard of in home computers at the time; - some of the things the graphics chip can do, such as dividing a screen into segments of different resolution and scrolling them differentially, aren't really possible even nowadays with high-end PC graphics cards; - because of the comprehensiveness of the ROM and its APIs packages are small (you're struggling to find one over 200-300KB). Granted, some things (such as resolutions, colour depths and the appearance of the user interface) have fallen behind, but these are relatively easy problems to fix compared with trying to glue together a bad architecture ... Alastair This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Benjamin Pflugmann wrote: Hi. Well, only about 8 years of UNIX, not 10. And 18(?) years with computers. Don't know if I would call me a hard-core UNIX head (I don't like vi, you see? ;-). On Wed 2002-09-04 at 12:32:52 -0700, James Sparenberg wrote: Over 10 years on computers not always nix (I miss my Amiga *grin*) Well I miss mine, too. Although I kept it, it's only sleeping all the time in this corner. *pat* *pat* Bye, Benjamin. Hi Ben, I love Vi and I'm only 7 years old in *nix years. Especially now. My first CompSci class started this semester and we're doing Java. Vi formats and colors the syntax for Java perfectly. Now, If I just knew what an Amiga was... Mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Thursday 05 September 2002 04:16 am, Alastair Scott wrote: Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (09/05/2002 11:55) James Sparenberg wrote: Over 10 years on computers not always nix (I miss my Amiga *grin*) James I've been hearing a lot about Amigas and invariably the people always say they miss them. What was so special about them that they're so sorely missed? I wouldn't know an Amiga computer if I fell over one. They were way ahead of their time and, in some ways, still are: - the entire OS fits on an 0.5MB ROM (so booting is instantaneous); - extensive use of custom chips to handle graphics, sound etc (no kludges or compromises over time as the design was 'perfect' to begin with, and no driver problems as the hardware is well defined); -snip- Excellent description, you neglected to mention that except for the very (very!) earliest of versions it was/is also a fully pre-emptive, multitasking OS. The first computer I owned that could draw me away from it as far as usability was a 700mhz athlon. (ppc, mac os7.5 was unusable in comparison, as far as I was concerned). It still works well today for email and light net stuff. I think I paid 150$ 2 1/2 years ago for a brand new Amiga 1200 w/ word processor, paint and spreadsheet programs as well as 4gb hard drive. The biggest limitation was expensive peripherals due to lack of manufacturer support (thanks to m$ and the sheepish behavior of society). -- dh Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (09/05/2002 15:24) My GOD! where do I find one of these marvelous machines? I WANT ONE!! they sound perfectly awesome. I can't help but wonder why in the world they're not still produced. What caused their downfall? I'm pretty sure there'll be a fair number kicking around on eBay. The original 1985 model was the Amiga 500 (which I had), but more interesting is the A1200 which has various improvements including, as I remember, 24-bit colour. (That was about 14 years ago :) As I recall, the usual rubbish - bad management and various changes of ownership for dubious motives - killed Amiga :/ Alastair PS There are still Amiga (printed) magazines in the UK, and people have written TCP/IP stacks, Web browsers, email clients and everything else Internet; the Internet didn't exist in consumer form during the Amiga's official existence so the connectivity had to be invented by third parties ... ! This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Alastair Scott wrote: Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (09/05/2002 11:55) James Sparenberg wrote: Over 10 years on computers not always nix (I miss my Amiga *grin*) James I've been hearing a lot about Amigas and invariably the people always say they miss them. What was so special about them that they're so sorely missed? I wouldn't know an Amiga computer if I fell over one. They were way ahead of their time and, in some ways, still are: - the entire OS fits on an 0.5MB ROM (so booting is instantaneous); - extensive use of custom chips to handle graphics, sound etc (no kludges or compromises over time as the design was 'perfect' to begin with, and no driver problems as the hardware is well defined); - dazzling speed from a 'feeble' 68000 both because of an optimal division of labour between CPU and custom chips and because (I believe) some of the OS, at least, was written in assembly language; - although not Linux-based the command line was very powerful, far beyond DOS or similar, and offered things such as scripting languages (eg REXX) which were unheard of in home computers at the time; - some of the things the graphics chip can do, such as dividing a screen into segments of different resolution and scrolling them differentially, aren't really possible even nowadays with high-end PC graphics cards; - because of the comprehensiveness of the ROM and its APIs packages are small (you're struggling to find one over 200-300KB). Granted, some things (such as resolutions, colour depths and the appearance of the user interface) have fallen behind, but these are relatively easy problems to fix compared with trying to glue together a bad architecture ... Alastair My GOD! where do I find one of these marvelous machines? I WANT ONE!! they sound perfectly awesome. I can't help but wonder why in the world they're not still produced. What caused their downfall? Mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Hi dh, I think that you're computer is the most powerful of the world. You're already on 06 oct !!! ;-) dh wrote: On Thursday 05 September 2002 04:16 am, Alastair Scott wrote: Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (09/05/2002 11:55) James Sparenberg wrote: Over 10 years on computers not always nix (I miss my Amiga *grin*) James I've been hearing a lot about Amigas and invariably the people always say they miss them. What was so special about them that they're so sorely missed? I wouldn't know an Amiga computer if I fell over one. They were way ahead of their time and, in some ways, still are: - the entire OS fits on an 0.5MB ROM (so booting is instantaneous); - extensive use of custom chips to handle graphics, sound etc (no kludges or compromises over time as the design was 'perfect' to begin with, and no driver problems as the hardware is well defined); -snip- Excellent description, you neglected to mention that except for the very (very!) earliest of versions it was/is also a fully pre-emptive, multitasking OS. The first computer I owned that could draw me away from it as far as usability was a 700mhz athlon. (ppc, mac os7.5 was unusable in comparison, as far as I was concerned). It still works well today for email and light net stuff. I think I paid 150$ 2 1/2 years ago for a brand new Amiga 1200 w/ word processor, paint and spreadsheet programs as well as 4gb hard drive. The biggest limitation was expensive peripherals due to lack of manufacturer support (thanks to m$ and the sheepish behavior of society). Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Thursday 05 September 2002 07:24 am, Mark Weaver wrote: Alastair My GOD! where do I find one of these marvelous machines? I WANT ONE!! they sound perfectly awesome. I can't help but wonder why in the world they're not still produced. What caused their downfall? See my other post as well - it has more good points. The biggest drawback is limited screenmodes (by todays standards) w/out extremely overpriced video cards. There are numerous modes but you need a monitor that syscs down to 30khz to use alot of theme and 15khz (read you can plug it into your tv) for many others. I had mine plugged into an old sony trinitron multisync and was able to run 800x600x64 colors reasonably well at 31.5khz but it took some monkeying to do. Historic note - I think I paid around 800$ for my original 14 multisync (15khz to around 75khz i believe) monitor in 1992. check out http://www.amiga.com What they are up to now. http://www.softhut.com/Amiga computers for sale http://www.amithlon.net/amithlon.shtmlA great x86 emulation http://www.freiburg.linux.de/~uae/emulator http://cloanto.com/amiga/forever/commercial uae package Ok, I'll stop, Back to your regularly scheduled Mandrake related list -- dh Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, Mark Weaver wrote: James Sparenberg wrote: Over 10 years on computers not always nix (I miss my Amiga *grin*) James I've been hearing a lot about Amigas and invariably the people always say they miss them. What was so special about them that they're so sorely missed? I wouldn't know an Amiga computer if I fell over one. Man, the things you could *do* with an Amiga. To put it in context, when the A1000 came out it had the most versatile graphics of any machine under $10,000. PCs were still largely 16 color machines, Macs were better but the installed base was still mainly monochrome. Amigas has 4,096 color static modes that was absolutely unbelievable in comparison to everything else out there. Its prime competitor was considered to be the Atari ST line, but even these were limited to a 512 color pallete, and that was with tricks ( I *love* the STs though). What was really cool was what the average person could do with it. Amiga shipped with a language called AmigaBASIC. With it you could easily create and animate sprites and access lots of the machine's power. In addition, the Amiga had some pretty impressive sound hardware. In other words, it was a multimedia machine before the term was ever invented. For me it was always the sense of camaraderie that I miss from the Amiga and Atari days. Linux is starting to recapture a bit of the wonder though! :) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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dh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (09/06/2002 15:29) Excellent description, you neglected to mention that except for the very (very!) earliest of versions it was/is also a fully pre-emptive, multitasking OS. The first computer I owned that could draw me away from it as far as usability was a 700mhz athlon. (ppc, mac os7.5 was unusable in comparison, as far as I was concerned). It still works well today for email and light net stuff. I think I paid 150$ 2 1/2 years ago for a brand new Amiga 1200 w/ word processor, paint and spreadsheet programs as well as 4gb hard drive. The biggest limitation was expensive peripherals due to lack of manufacturer support (thanks to m$ and the sheepish behavior of society). Yes, I forgot the pre-emptive multi-tasking. That i. more than one application could run at once without fakery (such as terminate-and-stay-resident applications in DOS); ii. if an application crashed, neither other applications nor the OS was brought down; was sensational and, I think, underappreciated (people were so used to running applications sequentially they couldn't think what to do with something which could run them in parallel :) Despite the lack of availability the hardware that existed was plug- and-play. I remember buying a 20MB hard drive (!) for about £200 (!) in 1991 or so which attached to the side of the machine and 'just worked' - an icon appeared on Workbench (the Amiga GUI) and, after formatting, I could drag icons and folders to it. There was also a trapdoor under the machine in which various expansion cards could be inserted, and it was easy to insert an accelerator card which overrode the 68000 CPU (for example, with a 68030 plus 68882 floating point unit). These facilities were _certainly_ way ahead of the times; adding hardware tended to be (deliberately?) difficult if not impossible on most systems. At the time the Mac offered similar usability but was a far more closed system and cost 7 or 8 times more :) Alastair This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Hi. On Thu 2002-09-05 at 12:16:15 +0100, Alastair Scott wrote: Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (09/05/2002 11:55) James Sparenberg wrote: Over 10 years on computers not always nix (I miss my Amiga *grin*) James I've been hearing a lot about Amigas and invariably the people always say they miss them. What was so special about them that they're so sorely missed? I wouldn't know an Amiga computer if I fell over one. They were way ahead of their time and, in some ways, still are: [...] good list. One addition, that I still miss today: - There was AREXX (which James already mentioned in short), a scripting language designed to control applications. Every serious software package supported that and you had access to every internal function of that software package. Imagine writing shell scripts which steer Mozilla simply by telling which menu entries or which key presses to execute. You have that with some software to some extend (e.g. gimp), but the advantage was that it was standard and you could steer almost anything. E.g., if your editor would not support it yet (we are talking about 10 years ago), it was a 5-liner to extract the URL on the cursor position and send it to your browser for viewing. Or want to toggle JS without going into the menu and there is no button or keybinding for it? Simply define a key binding (in Linux it would be with the window manager) which calls an AREXX macro which toggles the preferences. And so on. This was really cool and easy enough for a non-programmer to figure out. Ah, and another thing: - The best of Windows and UNIX: A nice and easy (to start with) GUI and fine-grained control for those who care. I like philosophy of UNIX, but I hate it if I have to read docs for an hour to find out to do a one-time thing that I will never need again. (Just installed 9.0 beta3... and I must say, Mandrake meanwhile comes close to the ideal: e.g. it was a 20 second point-and-click action to share a directory via Samba with a Windows system. Cool.). Regards, Benjamin. -- Benjamin Philemon Pflugmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Software Developervoice: +49 941 942 77- 0 SPiN AG - http://www.spin.de fax: +49 941 942 77-22 Chats - Guestbooks - Java/CGI coding msg57479/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Thu, 2002-09-05 at 03:59, Mark Weaver wrote: Benjamin Pflugmann wrote: Hi. Well, only about 8 years of UNIX, not 10. And 18(?) years with computers. Don't know if I would call me a hard-core UNIX head (I don't like vi, you see? ;-). On Wed 2002-09-04 at 12:32:52 -0700, James Sparenberg wrote: Over 10 years on computers not always nix (I miss my Amiga *grin*) Well I miss mine, too. Although I kept it, it's only sleeping all the time in this corner. *pat* *pat* Bye, Benjamin. Hi Ben, I love Vi and I'm only 7 years old in *nix years. Especially now. My first CompSci class started this semester and we're doing Java. Vi formats and colors the syntax for Java perfectly. Now, If I just knew what an Amiga was... www.amiga.com Mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Thursday 05 September 2002 03:24 pm, you wrote: Now, If I just knew what an Amiga was... The Amiga was the first true multimedia computer. ;-) -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 13:16 -0700, James Sparenberg wrote: They still re-make and sell them in Europe. amiga.com .org and .net exist and can start you on your journey. What caused the downfall. They got bought by Commodore. The management of Commedore was the role model for Enron. (And yes the Amiga 1000 the first model was taken from a rejected design for the Atari 2600 ) There's a large amiga fraction in the amateur music area. A lot of young people learn the benefits of this aging machine. The other day one of those techno-kids (he already published a lot of pieces and makes a good living with that) told me that he does a lot of his daily work on a somewhat 'tuned' amiga. BTW: We just had a large exhibition of games and related stuff in Leipzig, Germany. All the halls buzzing and screaming with all those sexy game devices (x-box, playstation). And a small par tof the exhibition was showing How it all began with Sinclairs, Amigas, Ataris, all the stuff. They had those old machines running games like pacman, pong and frogger and the place was as crowded as the shiny new gamezone! I remember myself putting just another 50-Pfennig coin into the machine playing the first computer game with the tennisball. BTW2: My first time I ran a program on a computer was in 1969. It was a IBM, filling the second story of a large warehouse and to run a small 10-minute-program you had to punch holes into hundreds of cards first. That same machine is now on display at a german IBM museum. wobo -- ... and anyway, an html can't carry a virus. (Aug 2001, Usenet) --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: #128612867 GPG-ID: A69882EE --- ISDN4LINUX-FAQ -- Deutsch: http://www.wolf-b.de/i4l/i4lfaq-de.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Thu, 2002-09-05 at 14:22, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 13:16 -0700, James Sparenberg wrote: They still re-make and sell them in Europe. amiga.com .org and .net exist and can start you on your journey. What caused the downfall. They got bought by Commodore. The management of Commedore was the role model for Enron. (And yes the Amiga 1000 the first model was taken from a rejected design for the Atari 2600 ) There's a large amiga fraction in the amateur music area. A lot of young people learn the benefits of this aging machine. The other day one of those techno-kids (he already published a lot of pieces and makes a good living with that) told me that he does a lot of his daily work on a somewhat 'tuned' amiga. BTW: We just had a large exhibition of games and related stuff in Leipzig, Germany. All the halls buzzing and screaming with all those sexy game devices (x-box, playstation). And a small par tof the exhibition was showing How it all began with Sinclairs, Amigas, Ataris, all the stuff. They had those old machines running games like pacman, pong and frogger and the place was as crowded as the shiny new gamezone! I remember myself putting just another 50-Pfennig coin into the machine playing the first computer game with the tennisball. BTW2: My first time I ran a program on a computer was in 1969. It was a IBM, filling the second story of a large warehouse and to run a small 10-minute-program you had to punch holes into hundreds of cards first. That same machine is now on display at a german IBM museum. Wobo, A Univac computer for me.. and yes pitty the poor individual who didn't get the cover seated correctly on the card reader. Cards flying everywhere. (Pity them even more if thier cards weren't numbered!!) The real treat was paper tape readers Do remember watching someone edit his code with an xacto knife (couldn't get time on the card punch machines because of a power outage) by candlelight no less. That's when I decided to go systems no soldering irons and no knives hehe. wobo -- ... and anyway, an html can't carry a virus. (Aug 2001, Usenet) --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: #128612867 GPG-ID: A69882EE --- ISDN4LINUX-FAQ -- Deutsch: http://www.wolf-b.de/i4l/i4lfaq-de.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 15:12 -0700, James Sparenberg wrote: Wobo, A Univac computer for me.. and yes pitty the poor individual who didn't get the cover seated correctly on the card reader. Cards flying everywhere. (Pity them even more if thier cards weren't numbered!!) The real treat was paper tape readers Do remember watching someone edit his code with an xacto knife (couldn't get time on the card punch machines because of a power outage) by candlelight no less. That's when I decided to go systems no soldering irons and no knives hehe. But, you know, all this new shiny notebook and desktop stuff, it's handy and I love testing some new things I learned and sometimes I feel adventurous and do something like installing FreeBSD or some small Linux distro. But it's not the adventure of those times way back when. We may have cursed the d cards and the forms we wrote our assembler codes on. We may have cursed the d* white coats feeling important and whining about computer time all day long. But I felt like a boy with his electric train on Christmas eve. I don't have that feeling with any of our modern computers. Only once in a while, exactly once in a half year when the new Mandrake distro is out! Writing that reminds me of some more translations I have to do until tomorrow for the new distro. Back to work! wobo -- ... and anyway, an html can't carry a virus. (Aug 2001, Usenet) --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: #128612867 GPG-ID: A69882EE --- ISDN4LINUX-FAQ -- Deutsch: http://www.wolf-b.de/i4l/i4lfaq-de.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Fri, 2002-09-06 at 07:29, dh wrote: On Thursday 05 September 2002 04:16 am, Alastair Scott wrote: Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (09/05/2002 11:55) James Sparenberg wrote: Over 10 years on computers not always nix (I miss my Amiga *grin*) James I've been hearing a lot about Amigas and invariably the people always say they miss them. What was so special about them that they're so sorely missed? I wouldn't know an Amiga computer if I fell over one. They were way ahead of their time and, in some ways, still are: - the entire OS fits on an 0.5MB ROM (so booting is instantaneous); - extensive use of custom chips to handle graphics, sound etc (no kludges or compromises over time as the design was 'perfect' to begin with, and no driver problems as the hardware is well defined); -snip- Excellent description, you neglected to mention that except for the very (very!) earliest of versions it was/is also a fully pre-emptive, multitasking OS. The first computer I owned that could draw me away from it as far as usability was a 700mhz athlon. (ppc, mac os7.5 was unusable in comparison, as far as I was concerned). It still works well today for email and light net stuff. I think I paid 150$ 2 1/2 years ago for a brand new Amiga 1200 w/ word processor, paint and spreadsheet programs as well as 4gb hard drive. The biggest limitation was expensive peripherals due to lack of manufacturer support (thanks to m$ and the sheepish behavior of society). -- dh Note to that the early flight simulators (and in fact many still running) use to train professional pilots as well as battle field simulation software. All ran on Amiga 2000s. Does anyone remember Battle Chess? Full 3d animation on a single 1.2 meg floppy. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Thursday 05 September 2002 04:13 pm, you wrote: Note to that the early flight simulators (and in fact many still running) use to train professional pilots as well as battle field simulation software. All ran on Amiga 2000s. Does anyone remember Battle Chess? Full 3d animation on a single 1.2 meg floppy. I've still got BattleChess for the Atari ST. It came on a 720k floppy though. Way cool game, especially for its time. I loved some of the animations - especially where the Rook morphs into what looks like the Fantastic Fours' Thing and eats the Queen. Good stuff! :-) -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Man this email made me feel old. I can't believe there are computer users who don't remember the Amiga! Darren On Thu, 2002-09-05 at 20:59, Mark Weaver wrote: Benjamin Pflugmann wrote: Hi. Well, only about 8 years of UNIX, not 10. And 18(?) years with computers. Don't know if I would call me a hard-core UNIX head (I don't like vi, you see? ;-). On Wed 2002-09-04 at 12:32:52 -0700, James Sparenberg wrote: Over 10 years on computers not always nix (I miss my Amiga *grin*) Well I miss mine, too. Although I kept it, it's only sleeping all the time in this corner. *pat* *pat* Bye, Benjamin. Hi Ben, I love Vi and I'm only 7 years old in *nix years. Especially now. My first CompSci class started this semester and we're doing Java. Vi formats and colors the syntax for Java perfectly. Now, If I just knew what an Amiga was... Mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Don't forget the Amiga did multitasking years before any other home computer did...remember PC people saying why would you need to do more than one thing at a time on a computer Darren On Fri, 2002-09-06 at 00:52, Alastair Scott wrote: Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (09/05/2002 15:24) My GOD! where do I find one of these marvelous machines? I WANT ONE!! they sound perfectly awesome. I can't help but wonder why in the world they're not still produced. What caused their downfall? I'm pretty sure there'll be a fair number kicking around on eBay. The original 1985 model was the Amiga 500 (which I had), but more interesting is the A1200 which has various improvements including, as I remember, 24-bit colour. (That was about 14 years ago :) As I recall, the usual rubbish - bad management and various changes of ownership for dubious motives - killed Amiga :/ Alastair PS There are still Amiga (printed) magazines in the UK, and people have written TCP/IP stacks, Web browsers, email clients and everything else Internet; the Internet didn't exist in consumer form during the Amiga's official existence so the connectivity had to be invented by third parties ... ! This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Friday 06 September 2002 01:38, Darren King wrote: Man this email made me feel old. I can't believe there are computer users who don't remember the Amiga! Me too. Even though I started with Apple IIe, and the manual included schema of the motherboard. I liked the open architecture with exansion slots (like PCI on PC's nowadays). I remember I had a second CPU (Z80 or whatever it was) on one slot to run CP/M (for newbies, kinda like MS-DOS, to see why MS-DOS was selected by IBM instead of CP/M, just do a google search on ibm kildall gates). You could count me as hard-core unix guy--I have been doing almost exclusively unix/linux since '87. I remember that even compiling GNU Emacs was an overnight task back then on a m68k box, compared to ~10 minutes nowadays, and it was way smaller. Not to mention that a 70 meg hard drive cost something like $5000 (sans inflation) and they broke down every now and then. Teemu Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Thu, 2002-09-05 at 16:40, Darren King wrote: Don't forget the Amiga did multitasking years before any other home computer did...remember PC people saying why would you need to do more than one thing at a time on a computer My answer was always... For those of us who can walk and chew gum at the same time it's a natural need. James Darren On Fri, 2002-09-06 at 00:52, Alastair Scott wrote: Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (09/05/2002 15:24) My GOD! where do I find one of these marvelous machines? I WANT ONE!! they sound perfectly awesome. I can't help but wonder why in the world they're not still produced. What caused their downfall? I'm pretty sure there'll be a fair number kicking around on eBay. The original 1985 model was the Amiga 500 (which I had), but more interesting is the A1200 which has various improvements including, as I remember, 24-bit colour. (That was about 14 years ago :) As I recall, the usual rubbish - bad management and various changes of ownership for dubious motives - killed Amiga :/ Alastair PS There are still Amiga (printed) magazines in the UK, and people have written TCP/IP stacks, Web browsers, email clients and everything else Internet; the Internet didn't exist in consumer form during the Amiga's official existence so the connectivity had to be invented by third parties ... ! This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Thursday 05 September 2002 09:55 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: On Thu, 2002-09-05 at 16:40, Darren King wrote: Don't forget the Amiga did multitasking years before any other home computer did...remember PC people saying why would you need to do more than one thing at a time on a computer My answer was always... For those of us who can walk and chew gum at the same time it's a natural need. James I can walk and chew gum at the same time, but I keep forgetting to breathe, so I fall down a lot. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Teemu Torma wrote: On Friday 06 September 2002 01:38, Darren King wrote: Man this email made me feel old. I can't believe there are computer users who don't remember the Amiga! Me too. Even though I started with Apple IIe, and the manual included schema of the motherboard. I liked the open architecture with exansion slots (like PCI on PC's nowadays). I remember I had a second CPU (Z80 or whatever it was) on one slot to run CP/M (for newbies, kinda like MS-DOS, to see why MS-DOS was selected by IBM instead of CP/M, just do a google search on ibm kildall gates). You could count me as hard-core unix guy--I have been doing almost exclusively unix/linux since '87. I remember that even compiling GNU Emacs was an overnight task back then on a m68k box, compared to ~10 minutes nowadays, and it was way smaller. Not to mention that a 70 meg hard drive cost something like $5000 (sans inflation) and they broke down every now and then. Teemu Good grief! how in the world did one get any work done seeing as it took all night just to compile one program? Mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Darren King wrote: Man this email made me feel old. I can't believe there are computer users who don't remember the Amiga! Darren ah...don't sweat it. I didn't get started till '96. I'm still kind of a baby. Mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, Mark Weaver wrote: Then how about Commodore, Sinclair (was that the spelling?) and others? The good old past had interesting things on computing! I've started out with an Sinclair (?) based computer, then MSX, then mainframes (IBM and Fujitsu), then PC until now!! So I guess, this guys haven't used 'punched cards' to store their programming Ricardo [not that old, but *that* curious on hi-tech] Benjamin Pflugmann wrote: Hi. Well, only about 8 years of UNIX, not 10. And 18(?) years with computers. Don't know if I would call me a hard-core UNIX head (I don't like vi, you see? ;-). On Wed 2002-09-04 at 12:32:52 -0700, James Sparenberg wrote: Over 10 years on computers not always nix (I miss my Amiga *grin*) Well I miss mine, too. Although I kept it, it's only sleeping all the time in this corner. *pat* *pat* Bye, Benjamin. Hi Ben, I love Vi and I'm only 7 years old in *nix years. Especially now. My first CompSci class started this semester and we're doing Java. Vi formats and colors the syntax for Java perfectly. Now, If I just knew what an Amiga was... Mark Esta mensagem foi verificada pelo E-mail Protegido Terra. Scan engine: VirusScan / Atualizado em 04/09/2002 / Versão: 1.3.13 Proteja o seu e-mail Terra: http://www.emailprotegido.terra.com.br/ -- == Linux user # 102240 = Machine # 96125 = Seti@home user == Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Thu, 2002-09-05 at 19:27, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Thursday 05 September 2002 09:55 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: On Thu, 2002-09-05 at 16:40, Darren King wrote: Don't forget the Amiga did multitasking years before any other home computer did...remember PC people saying why would you need to do more than one thing at a time on a computer My answer was always... For those of us who can walk and chew gum at the same time it's a natural need. James I can walk and chew gum at the same time, but I keep forgetting to breathe, so I fall down a lot. -- cmg Reminds me of a blonde joke the one who died because she removed her headphones... when the coroner listed to the tape later it said breathe in ... breath out breathe in... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Thu, 2002-09-05 at 22:12, Ricardo Castanho de O. Freitas wrote: On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, Mark Weaver wrote: Then how about Commodore, Sinclair (was that the spelling?) and others? Don't forget the TI and the one I wrote my first piece of code on ... the HP-45 RPM programmable Calculator. (more fun than the mainframe... it took forever to write, debug and view output from a program it was boring the 45 however gave me instant results.) James The good old past had interesting things on computing! I've started out with an Sinclair (?) based computer, then MSX, then mainframes (IBM and Fujitsu), then PC until now!! So I guess, this guys haven't used 'punched cards' to store their programming Ricardo [not that old, but *that* curious on hi-tech] Benjamin Pflugmann wrote: Hi. Well, only about 8 years of UNIX, not 10. And 18(?) years with computers. Don't know if I would call me a hard-core UNIX head (I don't like vi, you see? ;-). On Wed 2002-09-04 at 12:32:52 -0700, James Sparenberg wrote: Over 10 years on computers not always nix (I miss my Amiga *grin*) Well I miss mine, too. Although I kept it, it's only sleeping all the time in this corner. *pat* *pat* Bye, Benjamin. Hi Ben, I love Vi and I'm only 7 years old in *nix years. Especially now. My first CompSci class started this semester and we're doing Java. Vi formats and colors the syntax for Java perfectly. Now, If I just knew what an Amiga was... Mark Esta mensagem foi verificada pelo E-mail Protegido Terra. Scan engine: VirusScan / Atualizado em 04/09/2002 / Versão: 1.3.13 Proteja o seu e-mail Terra: http://www.emailprotegido.terra.com.br/ -- == Linux user # 102240 = Machine # 96125 = Seti@home user == Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 22:36 -0700, James Sparenberg wrote: On Thu, 2002-09-05 at 19:27, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Thursday 05 September 2002 09:55 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: On Thu, 2002-09-05 at 16:40, Darren King wrote: Don't forget the Amiga did multitasking years before any other home computer did...remember PC people saying why would you need to do more than one thing at a time on a computer My answer was always... For those of us who can walk and chew gum at the same time it's a natural need. James I can walk and chew gum at the same time, but I keep forgetting to breathe, so I fall down a lot. -- cmg Reminds me of a blonde joke the one who died because she removed her headphones... when the coroner listed to the tape later it said breathe in ... breath out breathe in... I think Carroll's problem with falling down is not that she forgets breathing, though. While chewing gum she may sometimes mix up the Right foot, Left foot-mantra which is essential for walking. wobo -- ... and anyway, an html can't carry a virus. (Aug 2001, Usenet) --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: #128612867 GPG-ID: A69882EE --- ISDN4LINUX-FAQ -- Deutsch: http://www.wolf-b.de/i4l/i4lfaq-de.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Wolfgang Bornath wrote: On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 13:16 -0700, James Sparenberg wrote: They still re-make and sell them in Europe. amiga.com .org and .net exist and can start you on your journey. What caused the downfall. They got bought by Commodore. The management of Commedore was the role model for Enron. (And yes the Amiga 1000 the first model was taken from a rejected design for the Atari 2600 ) There's a large amiga fraction in the amateur music area. A lot of young people learn the benefits of this aging machine. The other day one of those techno-kids (he already published a lot of pieces and makes a good living with that) told me that he does a lot of his daily work on a somewhat 'tuned' amiga. BTW: We just had a large exhibition of games and related stuff in Leipzig, Germany. All the halls buzzing and screaming with all those sexy game devices (x-box, playstation). And a small par tof the exhibition was showing How it all began with Sinclairs, Amigas, Ataris, all the stuff. They had those old machines running games like pacman, pong and frogger and the place was as crowded as the shiny new gamezone! I remember myself putting just another 50-Pfennig coin into the machine playing the first computer game with the tennisball. BTW2: My first time I ran a program on a computer was in 1969. It was a IBM, filling the second story of a large warehouse and to run a small 10-minute-program you had to punch holes into hundreds of cards first. That same machine is now on display at a german IBM museum. wobo That is absolutely awesome! I love talking to people like yourself that were in the industry back then. One of my professors started in the industry in the '60s. If you could get him talking about it the stories he would tell us in Mainframe assembler class. That is some good stuff. Mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 22:39 -0700, James Sparenberg wrote: Don't forget the TI and the one I wrote my first piece of code on ... the HP-45 RPM programmable Calculator. (more fun than the mainframe... it took forever to write, debug and view output from a program it was boring the 45 however gave me instant results.) James No. In modern times you sit there and code for a certain time, say 1 hour. Then you run the stuff through your compiling routine and see the result. You curse for a certain time, do your head-bangs-against-wall and start all over. In those times with the mainframe you sat there for some days or weeks and coded, writing the code on in forms using a pencil. Then you gave all the stuff to a data typist and waited a couple of days to get your cards punched. Meanwhile you relaxed in your favourite watering hole. During these days you went to the white coats and begged for computer time to run your program. Then after much begging and kneeling on the floor you got a schedule and waited another week. Then, on a beautiful Saturday evening you come to the holy chapel (aka the computer department) and the operator loads the stacks of cards with your program. Your program does not work like you thought it would. After debugging for 2 months you finally find out that your coding was ok but the data typist had a flue and each sneeze spoiled the card she was working on at the moment. So your program could not work. Now isn't that far from boring? wobo -- ... and anyway, an html can't carry a virus. (Aug 2001, Usenet) --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: #128612867 GPG-ID: A69882EE --- ISDN4LINUX-FAQ -- Deutsch: http://www.wolf-b.de/i4l/i4lfaq-de.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Wobo, A Univac computer for me.. and yes pitty the poor individual who didn't get the cover seated correctly on the card reader. Cards flying everywhere. (Pity them even more if thier cards weren't numbered!!) The real treat was paper tape readers Do remember watching someone edit his code with an xacto knife (couldn't get time on the card punch machines because of a power outage) by candlelight no less. That's when I decided to go systems no soldering irons and no knives hehe. Good God! I can't imagine doing any coding without a decent editor let alone having to do it on cards or even paper tape! Mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Sat, Aug 31, 2002 at 12:31 -0400, Mark Weaver wrote: Hi list, Ok...I've been a wrackin my poor brain for the last few hours and burnin up the Google search engine trying to find the answer to this question, but I just can't find the answer and I can't remember the correct command line syntax to save my forgetful life this morning. I'm trying to remember the correct manner in which to represent whitespace in filenames on the command line in a bash shell. Could some kind soul help me with this? You are in good company. Even our former Chancellor Mr. Kohl admitted that he had a Balck Out aome time! cp 'black out.txt' 'chancellor kohl.txt' In case you are using already the single quotes you can use the double quotes as well. wobo -- ... and anyway, an html can't carry a virus. (Aug 2001, Usenet) --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: #128612867 GPG-ID: A69882EE --- ISDN4LINUX-FAQ -- Deutsch: http://www.wolf-b.de/i4l/i4lfaq-de.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Also: cp black\ out.txt chancellor\ kohl.txt Woody On Wed, 2002-09-04 at 04:59, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: On Sat, Aug 31, 2002 at 12:31 -0400, Mark Weaver wrote: Hi list, Ok...I've been a wrackin my poor brain for the last few hours and burnin up the Google search engine trying to find the answer to this question, but I just can't find the answer and I can't remember the correct command line syntax to save my forgetful life this morning. I'm trying to remember the correct manner in which to represent whitespace in filenames on the command line in a bash shell. Could some kind soul help me with this? You are in good company. Even our former Chancellor Mr. Kohl admitted that he had a Balck Out aome time! cp 'black out.txt' 'chancellor kohl.txt' In case you are using already the single quotes you can use the double quotes as well. wobo -- ... and anyway, an html can't carry a virus. (Aug 2001, Usenet) --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: #128612867 GPG-ID: A69882EE --- ISDN4LINUX-FAQ -- Deutsch: http://www.wolf-b.de/i4l/i4lfaq-de.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Woody --- Gatewood GreenNetwork/System Administrator Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linif.org/ Linux in Idaho Falls Linux User Group --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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-Original Message- From: Wolfgang Bornath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 1:00 PM To: expert list Subject: Re: [expert] a stopid question On Sat, Aug 31, 2002 at 12:31 -0400, Mark Weaver wrote: Hi list, Ok...I've been a wrackin my poor brain for the last few hours and burnin up the Google search engine trying to find the answer to this question, but I just can't find the answer and I can't remember the correct command line syntax to save my forgetful life this morning. I'm trying to remember the correct manner in which to represent whitespace in filenames on the command line in a bash shell. Could some kind soul help me with this? You are in good company. Even our former Chancellor Mr. Kohl admitted that he had a Balck Out aome time! cp 'black out.txt' 'chancellor kohl.txt' can you also use $ cp black\ out.txt chancellor\ kohl.txt ??? thanks adriaan PS: haven't got a box to test Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 13:19 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Wolfgang Bornath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] cp 'black out.txt' 'chancellor kohl.txt' can you also use $ cp black\ out.txt chancellor\ kohl.txt You can use both, just tested it. For me the version with quotes is easier because I have to use the AltGr key to get a backslash (German layout). But you *cannot* use the '' there. It's cp 'one two' 'three four' wobo -- ... and anyway, an html can't carry a virus. (Aug 2001, Usenet) --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: #128612867 GPG-ID: A69882EE --- ISDN4LINUX-FAQ -- Deutsch: http://www.wolf-b.de/i4l/i4lfaq-de.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Woody Green wrote: Also: cp black\ out.txt chancellor\ kohl.txt Woody Ok...lets have a show of hands here. How many hard-core Unix system heads have we here with 10 or more years of experience. I'm starting to feel as though there is a vast chache of untapped knowledge lurking in the shadows. Mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Over 10 years on computers not always nix (I miss my Amiga *grin*) James On Wed, 2002-09-04 at 06:27, Mark Weaver wrote: Woody Green wrote: Also: cp black\ out.txt chancellor\ kohl.txt Woody Ok...lets have a show of hands here. How many hard-core Unix system heads have we here with 10 or more years of experience. I'm starting to feel as though there is a vast chache of untapped knowledge lurking in the shadows. Mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Hi. Well, only about 8 years of UNIX, not 10. And 18(?) years with computers. Don't know if I would call me a hard-core UNIX head (I don't like vi, you see? ;-). On Wed 2002-09-04 at 12:32:52 -0700, James Sparenberg wrote: Over 10 years on computers not always nix (I miss my Amiga *grin*) Well I miss mine, too. Although I kept it, it's only sleeping all the time in this corner. *pat* *pat* Bye, Benjamin. On Wed, 2002-09-04 at 06:27, Mark Weaver wrote: [...] Ok...lets have a show of hands here. How many hard-core Unix system heads have we here with 10 or more years of experience. I'm starting to feel as though there is a vast chache of untapped knowledge lurking in the shadows. [...] msg57446/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Wed, 2002-09-04 at 05:59, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: On Sat, Aug 31, 2002 at 12:31 -0400, Mark Weaver wrote: Hi list, Ok...I've been a wrackin my poor brain for the last few hours and burnin up the Google search engine trying to find the answer to this question, but I just can't find the answer and I can't remember the correct command line syntax to save my forgetful life this morning. I'm trying to remember the correct manner in which to represent whitespace in filenames on the command line in a bash shell. Could some kind soul help me with this? You are in good company. Even our former Chancellor Mr. Kohl admitted that he had a Balck Out aome time! cp 'black out.txt' 'chancellor kohl.txt' You can also use cp black?out.txt chancellor?khol.txt if thats easier for you than the backslash or quotes. In case you are using already the single quotes you can use the double quotes as well. wobo -- ... and anyway, an html can't carry a virus. (Aug 2001, Usenet) --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: #128612867 GPG-ID: A69882EE --- ISDN4LINUX-FAQ -- Deutsch: http://www.wolf-b.de/i4l/i4lfaq-de.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
