[FairfieldLife] Re: Donate money for Peace Palaces
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He's already said that he missed this point for a very long time (need for Vedic architecture). when did he say that? In what of those online lecture thingies I believe. And how could him saying such a thing possibly have ANY weight against 30 years of proclamations about established in being and then performing action? It was an admission of being less than perfectly correct for the last 30 years, eh? I think Shemp's point is that if such a thing were said, it would *also* be an admission that the whole capture the fort approach taken in TM classic was a crock of shit. The two propositions are mutually exclusive, not complementary. Either TM enables one to transcend and thus become enlightened in any environment and in any situation or it doesn't, and one has to live in the proper Vedic environment to become enlightened. Here's a study for you -- if the founder of a popular technique of meditation (who promoted it for decades by saying that it was the fastest possible path to enlight- enment) suddenly changes his mind and says that he's been wrong all this time and the only thing that counts is living in a building of the right type...does it make you want to go out and bomb Iraq and buy an SUV? :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: EEG -demo!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today, Thursday, on Maharishi-channel, EEG- demo with Ben Daniels(?) and Fred Travis. That's satelite-only, right? No, it was on-line too (www.mou.org). (replay probably Tuesday August 9.) Wasn't very impressive, though, because the laptop crashed during the first part of four prospective ones. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Donate money for Peace Palaces
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He's already said that he missed this point for a very long time (need for Vedic architecture). when did he say that? In what of those online lecture thingies I believe. And how could him saying such a thing possibly have ANY weight against 30 years of proclamations about established in being and then performing action? It was an admission of being less than perfectly correct for the last 30 years, eh? I think Shemp's point is that if such a thing were said, it would *also* be an admission that the whole capture the fort approach taken in TM classic was a crock of shit. The two propositions are mutually exclusive, not complementary. Either TM enables one to transcend and thus become enlightened in any environment and in any situation or it doesn't, and one has to live in the proper Vedic environment to become enlightened. I don't think he said either extreme, actually. Here's a study for you -- if the founder of a popular technique of meditation (who promoted it for decades by saying that it was the fastest possible path to enlight- enment) Nor did he say that. Afterall, Arjuna became enlightened during a short chariot trip merely by chatting with Krishna. suddenly changes his mind and says that he's been wrong all this time and the only thing that counts is living in a building of the right type...does it make you want to go out and bomb Iraq and buy an SUV? :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: EEG -demo!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today, Thursday, on Maharishi-channel, EEG- demo with Ben Daniels(?) and Fred Travis. That's satelite-only, right? No, it was on-line too (www.mou.org). (replay probably Tuesday August 9.) Wasn't very impressive, though, because the laptop crashed during the first part of four prospective ones. SHoulda used a Mac... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Holland Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: znipp The interesting thing again is that it not only looks possible, but is positively attractive to underwriters and investors. And how many have signed up, and committed real funds? I wish them the best, but things seem a pie-in-the-sky, pipe-dream thinking at this point. So was Little Boy until Hungarian[!] Leo Szilard convinced Einstein that neutrons can be used to make atomic nuclei unsteady, intsead of alfa particles, or was it? (Strange, one of the main developers of H-bomb, Edward Teller, was also Hungarian. He did it together with a Polish mathematician, Stanislaw Ulam.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Conscience and consciousness (was Re: Clown Suits)
Bees are remarkably complex, and their swarming behavior is fascinating. I tended 10 or so hives at the Virginia Sidhaland back in 1979 and really enjoyed the learning process, except for the quite regular zaps I took from the guard bees until I learned how to keep every part of my body protected from their fury. Bees love nectar, but they love propogating and expanding their territory of influence even more. Just like humans... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This sounds much more like bees swarming than bees looking for nectar. Swarming happens often in the spring, and is how bees establish new hives. While swarming, bees are totally focused on staying together and finding a new place to live, so their normal aggressive response to defending their turf pretty much goes away. There are many pictures of people literally covered in bees in those circumstances, which must feel rather strange, and they received no stings at all. Thanks for the insight. I always assumed it was 'cause they were looking for nectar because that year we had a bumper crop of desert flowers... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Holland Report
LOL again. And my inner editor suspects you meant steeped rather than seeped... :-) Unfortunately, experience leads me to conclude that, in most cases, a TMO devotee's negativity is the universe's reality. It continues to astonish me that most TMO devotees are apparently completely incapable of seeing that literally NOTHING of the TMO's grandiose plans or promises has ever happened, or that there is a vanishingly small likelihood that any of them ever will happen (IMO). There have been very brief moments when I have envied this ability to completely deny reality, as I acknowledge that occasionally it feels as though it would be easier to feel that someone or someting else is taking care of everything. But most of the time I am very thankful that I have concluded I am solely responsible for my own decisions, experiences and evolution. Without that responsibility, I can't imagine I would deserve the freedom that comes with it to really experience life at its fullest. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its a shame we are both so seeped in negativity. :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had to laugh deeply at your responses. The economic reality check you gave each of the patently absurd paragraphs was almost word for word what my response was when I read the same email forwarded to me by Steve Hathaway. Dreamland continues... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This means finding at least one major builder nationally and one for each state who will sign on at Maharishi's terms to putting up Marble Peace Colonies (housing developments of vastu residences), Peace Palaces, hospitals, schools, or whatever is in line with Sthapatya Veda. The builders find the land and locate the funding, [and] build ... This is what builders generally do and they take 100% of the pie. [built] according to our requirements, and then take 1/3 of the profit while the International Peace Government gets another third and the National Peace Government the rest. So the Global Peace Gov'ts take 2/3 of the profits while taking no risk -- simply by supplying building plans. And presumably such plans, being so magnificent, will provide the new demand for such facilities (that is, buyers will shift from purchasing regular housing and facilities that the builders could build on their own and opt for living in a peace community. With other peace people, some of whom wear funny hats and gowns.). Any marketing studies to support that premise? And the amazing thing is that it's happening, and everywhere! Uh huh. And where exactly is everywhere? Can a list of builders who sigened on and who have committed funds be supplied? It turns out that builders now really take to the idea as the latest direction in building and want to be involved. Yes, I guess the builers' trade journals all have front page stories on this. Well maybe in the next issue, because I find nothing so far. * A second major push is to expand the pilot projects in Vedic agriculture to a global scale. The 1-acre greenhouse in Vedic City, even in its first year, yielded $200,000 in revenues, And what were the costs? $300,000. With volunteer labor? and will easily double that in the next year or two, and demand in the US market is such that they can sell as much produce as they can produce. And this extensive demand for very high-priced organics was determined how? And assuming the M. Greenhouses are an innovation, and such greenhouses are actually profitable, what prevents other players from entering the market to soak up that demand? Why would an investor partner up with the TMO and give away 1/2 or 2/3's of thier profits? What propriatory knowledge does the TMO bring to the table here? The Brazilian Maharishi Vedic Organic Honey project is also going very well. A Japanese firm that specializes in testing honey and other fine products said that this is the best honey, in terms of nutrients, anti-oxidents, and their own measure of orderliness, that they have ever tested. A marginal increase in nutrients for 5 times the price. Sounds attractive. The upshot is that market experts like Harris Kaplan and Rajas Bob LoPinto and Bob Wynne have been hatching a huge roll-out plan to fund Vedic organic agriculture projects on millions of hectares world-wide, Can this be ramped up quickly by a factor of 2.5 million? Particularly give that the VC greenhouse is probably largely run by volunteer or very low cost labor. The interesting thing again is that it not only looks possible, but is positively
[FairfieldLife] Conscience and consciousness (was Re: Clown Suits)
I'm curious why you would africanize the bees, Sparaig? There was no hint of this prior to your comment. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bee's are great. I've had interesting karma with these little hive-beings. Place your attention on their world and it unfolds a new web of inter-relation different from the world we see--a web of hive-flower and their hive city/mandala which overlaps our own Dakini-net and awareness flow. I remember when I was still doing the siddhis and I would get these loud--really loud bee noises coming from my body (LOL) which were so loud I would stop meditating and go out and check and the neighborhood to see if it was disturbing the neighbors! Really tuned me into bees too. Of course it was subtle and internal but seemed so real, so tangible. Yes, when I am in the garden and a bee approaches, I relax and queitly ask them to go away and they do. Easy to communicate with. Bees and wasps seem very tuned into us- which is why I think they get so agitated when we wave our arms about and speed up our heart rate in their presence. We also have many crows nearby- very intelligent birds. Also find that dog speech is pretty easy to understand. And my most wonderful experience recently was with a mockingbird I think it was, though I didn't actually see it. I was in my garden studio/shed and playing a jazz CD. This bird began jamming with the music like I've never heard before! Every time a melody would play, the bird would respond with a brilliant improv- really amazing- really wished I'd had a tape recorder handy. About 4 years ago in the spring I was hiking in the desert. It was an unusual year in which the desert flowers were blooming more than usual. I was all by myself about two miles from the trail head and any semblance of civilization and all of a sudden a black cloud of bees came towards me. There was virtually nothing I could do; if they wanted to sting me to death, they could have. Well, I found myself totally relaxing, they passed over and around me (not one landed on me) and they went on their way. They were in such an ecstatic frenzy to get to their nectar in the jackpot of flowers that they paid me absolutely no heed. Generally migrating africanized bees are much safer than those with a hive to protect. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Holland Report
But Little Boy, the first atomic bomb, was a very clear example of recognizing and using what nature really is, as opposed to trying to impose completely absurd proncouncements about how nature should be, which is how the TMO generally functions. And they were alpha particles, not alfa particles. It is neutron bombardment that splits uranium nuclei, which produces both alpha particles (helium nuclei with no electonrs) and a neutron cascade, which ultimately produces either a controlled nuclear fission reaction (as in nuclear power generation0, or an uncontrolled nuclear fission reacion (as in Hiroshima). The reason so many of the physicists who collaborated on the first atomic bomb (and later developments of the hydrogen bomb) were Polish, Hungarian, German, etc., is that many of them were Jewish and would have been very dead had they remained in their homelands in the 1933 to 1945 period. Without Nazi anti-Semitism, Hitler would most likely have been the first to produce (and undoubtedly to use) the atom bomb. England literaly might well not be an inhabitable island currently if Hitler hadn't hated Jews, and the US might well be a colony of Germany. One conclusion is that 6 million Jews died in exchange for the Western world not being a German-occupied territory. And if that doesn't stir up some discussion, I haven't had nearly enough tequila tonight... :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: znipp The interesting thing again is that it not only looks possible, but is positively attractive to underwriters and investors. And how many have signed up, and committed real funds? I wish them the best, but things seem a pie-in-the-sky, pipe-dream thinking at this point. So was Little Boy until Hungarian[!] Leo Szilard convinced Einstein that neutrons can be used to make atomic nuclei unsteady, intsead of alfa particles, or was it? (Strange, one of the main developers of H-bomb, Edward Teller, was also Hungarian. He did it together with a Polish mathematician, Stanislaw Ulam.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Conscience and consciousness (was Re: Clown Suits)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm curious why you would africanize the bees, Sparaig? There was no hint of this prior to your comment. Shemp said they were in a desert. Estimates are that 90+% of all wild bees in the US southwest are Africanized... If he meant a northern desert, disregard. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bee's are great. I've had interesting karma with these little hive-beings. Place your attention on their world and it unfolds a new web of inter-relation different from the world we see--a web of hive-flower and their hive city/mandala which overlaps our own Dakini-net and awareness flow. I remember when I was still doing the siddhis and I would get these loud--really loud bee noises coming from my body (LOL) which were so loud I would stop meditating and go out and check and the neighborhood to see if it was disturbing the neighbors! Really tuned me into bees too. Of course it was subtle and internal but seemed so real, so tangible. Yes, when I am in the garden and a bee approaches, I relax and queitly ask them to go away and they do. Easy to communicate with. Bees and wasps seem very tuned into us- which is why I think they get so agitated when we wave our arms about and speed up our heart rate in their presence. We also have many crows nearby- very intelligent birds. Also find that dog speech is pretty easy to understand. And my most wonderful experience recently was with a mockingbird I think it was, though I didn't actually see it. I was in my garden studio/shed and playing a jazz CD. This bird began jamming with the music like I've never heard before! Every time a melody would play, the bird would respond with a brilliant improv- really amazing- really wished I'd had a tape recorder handy. About 4 years ago in the spring I was hiking in the desert. It was an unusual year in which the desert flowers were blooming more than usual. I was all by myself about two miles from the trail head and any semblance of civilization and all of a sudden a black cloud of bees came towards me. There was virtually nothing I could do; if they wanted to sting me to death, they could have. Well, I found myself totally relaxing, they passed over and around me (not one landed on me) and they went on their way. They were in such an ecstatic frenzy to get to their nectar in the jackpot of flowers that they paid me absolutely no heed. Generally migrating africanized bees are much safer than those with a hive to protect. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Holland Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL again. And my inner editor suspects you meant steeped rather than seeped... :-) Maybe it's negativity seeping in from association with the rest of us neganauts. :-) Unfortunately, experience leads me to conclude that, in most cases, a TMO devotee's negativity is the universe's reality. It continues to astonish me that most TMO devotees are apparently completely incapable of seeing that literally NOTHING of the TMO's grandiose plans or promises has ever happened, or that there is a vanishingly small likelihood that any of them ever will happen (IMO). There have been very brief moments when I have envied this ability to completely deny reality, as I acknowledge that occasionally it feels as though it would be easier to feel that someone or someting else is taking care of everything. It is pretty astounding, isn't it? Some of it, I'm convinced, is just inertia -- a mind at rest (having decided that one person is the authority in one's life) tends to stay at rest, and resists doubting that authority (or any kind of change, for that matter). On the other hand, a life of pure faith (with no objective payoff for that faith) can be a viable path, as long as one has sufficient funds to keep paying the bills so that the fantasy continues. The obvious threat coming from the movement right now (what with the recertification thang and the fatwa on England and stuff like that) is that if you *don't* have the faith to buy into anything that's said as if it's absolute truth, you'll be expelled from the movement and the fantasy channel will be switched off. But most of the time I am very thankful that I have concluded I am solely responsible for my own decisions, experiences and evolution. Without that responsibility, I can't imagine I would deserve the freedom that comes with it to really experience life at its fullest. Well said. While there is something to be said for a life in which one surrenders one's critical faculties to an authority, IMO there is a great deal more to be said for a life in which one is comfortable being one's own authority. Or with knowing that there is no such thing as an authority. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its a shame we are both so seeped in negativity. :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Conscience and consciousness (was Re: Clown Suits)
Your data reference that 90%+ are Africanized, please? From what I can see on the web, Africanized bees have spread to much of the southwest, but I could find no reference stating that 90%+ of all bees in those areas were Africanized. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm curious why you would africanize the bees, Sparaig? There was no hint of this prior to your comment. Shemp said they were in a desert. Estimates are that 90+% of all wild bees in the US southwest are Africanized... If he meant a northern desert, disregard. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bee's are great. I've had interesting karma with these little hive-beings. Place your attention on their world and it unfolds a new web of inter-relation different from the world we see--a web of hive-flower and their hive city/mandala which overlaps our own Dakini-net and awareness flow. I remember when I was still doing the siddhis and I would get these loud--really loud bee noises coming from my body (LOL) which were so loud I would stop meditating and go out and check and the neighborhood to see if it was disturbing the neighbors! Really tuned me into bees too. Of course it was subtle and internal but seemed so real, so tangible. Yes, when I am in the garden and a bee approaches, I relax and queitly ask them to go away and they do. Easy to communicate with. Bees and wasps seem very tuned into us- which is why I think they get so agitated when we wave our arms about and speed up our heart rate in their presence. We also have many crows nearby- very intelligent birds. Also find that dog speech is pretty easy to understand. And my most wonderful experience recently was with a mockingbird I think it was, though I didn't actually see it. I was in my garden studio/shed and playing a jazz CD. This bird began jamming with the music like I've never heard before! Every time a melody would play, the bird would respond with a brilliant improv- really amazing- really wished I'd had a tape recorder handy. About 4 years ago in the spring I was hiking in the desert. It was an unusual year in which the desert flowers were blooming more than usual. I was all by myself about two miles from the trail head and any semblance of civilization and all of a sudden a black cloud of bees came towards me. There was virtually nothing I could do; if they wanted to sting me to death, they could have. Well, I found myself totally relaxing, they passed over and around me (not one landed on me) and they went on their way. They were in such an ecstatic frenzy to get to their nectar in the jackpot of flowers that they paid me absolutely no heed. Generally migrating africanized bees are much safer than those with a hive to protect. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Holland Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The reason so many of the physicists who collaborated on the first atomic bomb (and later developments of the hydrogen bomb) were Polish, Hungarian, German, etc., is that many of them were Jewish and would have been very dead had they remained in their homelands in the 1933 to 1945 period. Without Nazi anti-Semitism, Hitler would most likely have been the first to produce (and undoubtedly to use) the atom bomb. England literaly might well not be an inhabitable island currently if Hitler hadn't hated Jews, and the US might well be a colony of Germany. One conclusion is that 6 million Jews died in exchange for the Western world not being a German-occupied territory. And if that doesn't stir up some discussion, I haven't had nearly enough tequila tonight... :-) There are *many* reasons why one can blame the Germans for (or credit them with, depending on how you think) the development of the bomb. If they hadn't started their own project to develop an atom bomb, it is doubtful that the US would have done so. But when the German researchers took a wrong turn in their project and went down a blind alley and gave up on the project, the US authorities knew about it and did NOT tell the US scientists that the race for the bomb was over. They allowed them to continue thinking that the nation's survival was dependent on what they were doing. Also, speaking as the grandson of a person who worked on the Manhattan project, your characterization of most of the principals as being Jewish and European is not quite true. *Most* of the physicists in America at that time were working, in one form or another, on the bomb. My grandfather did all his work from the East Coast, working with Einstein at Princeton and from his own offices at Swarthmore College. Hundreds of other physicists did exactly the same thing, each of them work- ing on their own small portion of the overall problem. The *impression* that the Manhattan Project was the work of a small number of people -- Oppenheimer and his crew of technicians in New Mexico, and a few European theorists -- was carefully cultivated after the fact, *by* the people whom we now think of as the fathers of the bomb. The rest of the physicists were rather astounded by these people trying to claim all the credit. Many long-term friendships were broken forever, as a few people tried to use the publicity that surrounded the development of the bomb to further their own careers and reputations. It was really a weird scene, according to tales my grandfather told. Very petty, driven by ego, nothing to do with science or actual achievement. In his view, a few of the people who credited themselves with being fundamental to the project were actually low-level technicians who didn't really contribute much to the project. Their contribution was more in the realm of skillful self-promotion after the fact rather than actual science during the project itself. But if you want to speculate what life in America after Germany won the war might be like, I recommend Phillip K. Dick's The Man in the High Castle. It goes well with tequila. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Conscience and consciousness (was Re: Clown Suits)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm curious why you would africanize the bees, Sparaig? There was no hint of this prior to your comment. Shemp said they were in a desert. Estimates are that 90+% of all wild bees in the US southwest are Africanized... If he meant a northern desert, disregard. You still haven't explained what the term means. Do you know? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bee's are great. I've had interesting karma with these little hive-beings. Place your attention on their world and it unfolds a new web of inter-relation different from the world we see--a web of hive-flower and their hive city/mandala which overlaps our own Dakini-net and awareness flow. I remember when I was still doing the siddhis and I would get these loud--really loud bee noises coming from my body (LOL) which were so loud I would stop meditating and go out and check and the neighborhood to see if it was disturbing the neighbors! Really tuned me into bees too. Of course it was subtle and internal but seemed so real, so tangible. Yes, when I am in the garden and a bee approaches, I relax and queitly ask them to go away and they do. Easy to communicate with. Bees and wasps seem very tuned into us- which is why I think they get so agitated when we wave our arms about and speed up our heart rate in their presence. We also have many crows nearby- very intelligent birds. Also find that dog speech is pretty easy to understand. And my most wonderful experience recently was with a mockingbird I think it was, though I didn't actually see it. I was in my garden studio/shed and playing a jazz CD. This bird began jamming with the music like I've never heard before! Every time a melody would play, the bird would respond with a brilliant improv- really amazing- really wished I'd had a tape recorder handy. About 4 years ago in the spring I was hiking in the desert. It was an unusual year in which the desert flowers were blooming more than usual. I was all by myself about two miles from the trail head and any semblance of civilization and all of a sudden a black cloud of bees came towards me. There was virtually nothing I could do; if they wanted to sting me to death, they could have. Well, I found myself totally relaxing, they passed over and around me (not one landed on me) and they went on their way. They were in such an ecstatic frenzy to get to their nectar in the jackpot of flowers that they paid me absolutely no heed. Generally migrating africanized bees are much safer than those with a hive to protect. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Donate money for Peace Palaces
--- Well, maybe it's just that Maharishi seems to like to put all of the emphasis on one thing at a time. In the beginning, it was just do TM; then it was take SCI, and be a teacher; then it was do the siddhis, then it was do the siddhis in the dome, then it was Ayurveda, and Jyotish, and now it's palaces, rajas, vyastu achetechure, and so on... But the whole thing is still based in the unmanifest, according to Maharishi's teaching: everything comes out of the unmanimest field of pure consciousness; So, it's still TM that will get you there, to pure consciousness; All of the rest are just branches of the tree, expressions of pure consciousness. Like Shakti Gawain, spoke about in Creative Visualization it's good to visualize what you want, especially on the level of feeling, and leave a space open for it to happen; be open to the possibility of it happening. Maharishi, has enormous visions of things which he visualizes would and could be possible, and he focuses on these one project at a time, until he sees how far each new concept goes. But, it is true, that all of this teaching originated, or was revived with Swami Bramananda Saraswati, , alone in the remote forest, with no palace, living in the most simple and humble way,; so we can assume that the Capture of the Fort, of pure consciousness, is still and always will be of primary relevance.. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do they say about the efficacy of the TM technique? And what MMY has SAID for the first 30 years of the Movement about the TM technique and the relation the meditator established in being has to the relative and and his environment? He's already said that he missed this point for a very long time (need for Vedic architecture). Could the point possibly be that he thinks there is more money to be made in construction than in selling meditation? Possible. OTOH, perhaps he CAN be taken at face value on things? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Donate money for Peace Palaces
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Well, maybe it's just that Maharishi seems to like to put all of the emphasis on one thing at a time. I'd phrase it differently. He likes to focus his students' attention on one thing at a time. He uses the Next Big Thing to inspire hope in those who are on the verge of losing it and keep them around in the movement and contributing money. In the beginning, it was just do TM; then it was take SCI, and be a teacher; then it was do the siddhis, then it was do the siddhis in the dome, then it was Ayurveda, and Jyotish, and now it's palaces, rajas, vyastu achetechure, and so on... But the whole thing is still based in the unmanifest, according to Maharishi's teaching: everything comes out of the unmanimest field of pure consciousness; Only in the sense that creation is so based. So, it's still TM that will get you there, to pure consciousness; All of the rest are just branches of the tree, expressions of pure consciousness. That really ISN'T the message, if you're paying attenton. Where is the emphasis on teaching people to *contact* this pure consciousness? How many people worldwide actually started TM in the last year or so? My bet is that the total number (other than schools in India where students are forced to learn TM) is probably about a couple of dozen. ALL of the emphasis seems to be on the branches, with none left for the main trunk, much less the roots. Like Shakti Gawain, spoke about in Creative Visualization it's good to visualize what you want, especially on the level of feeling, and leave a space open for it to happen; be open to the possibility of it happening. Maharishi, has enormous visions of things which he visualizes would and could be possible, and he focuses on these one project at a time, until he sees how far each new concept goes. And then he drops each failed project like a hot potato, keeps all the money and the real estate that was donated for the project, and never mentions it again. The students are expected to do the same, and have no memory of any of the failed projects. It's pretty astounding how many of them do exactly that. But, it is true, that all of this teaching originated, or was revived with Swami Bramananda Saraswati, , alone in the remote forest, with no palace, living in the most simple and humble way,; so we can assume that the Capture of the Fort, of pure consciousness, is still and always will be of primary relevance.. IS it true? I certainly don't assume that TM originated with Guru Dev. I have never seen anything that suggests that Guru Dev ever taught such a technique as TM. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Donate money for Peace Palaces
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is exactly what I mean. The most important is what vibrations you fill your homes with - not the buildings. The buildings is only frames. While I won't defend vastu, your attitude is wrong as well. Otherwise, we should ignore any and all physical issues like mold and mildew, leaking roofs, etc. But, as you say, these are physical issue, not about spirits entering from the south, etc. Let's say you live in a hot country, it may not be wise to have big windows in the south - whereas this might be a good idea in a cold country. So I and I think many people here think, one shouldn't become dependend on 'ideas' about vibrations. A similar example would be, that jyotish says, one shouldn't travel during new moon night. This was obviously not a good idea at a time when there was no electric light. It may have well been that practical considerations turned into spiritual ones, and became superstitions when the original reason came out of sight. The point is, you just adopt concepts of things you can't really check, and then become dependent on it, feeling good when they are fulfilled, and feeling bad if they are not. Afterall, meditation will take care of it all anyway, right? On the feeling level yes. On the physical level we don't really need Vastu. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Donate money for Peace Palaces
MMY makes hope. 3-4 years ago an old TM-Teacher called me, she was listening to the Satellite Channel with News from MMY organisations every day. And one day it was told that a day in June that Year (I cannot remember the exact day) Heaven of Earth should rise. Pretty much like what has been saying about Sat Yoga these days. The TM- Teacher really believed that the world would change from that date, that she the next morning would wake up to a New World. Because that was what MMY had said. I do not know in what way she reacted when it did not happen, because I went to be a Non Grata person in the TMO. But I guess that MMYs devotees are clinging to what ever hope MMY is sending out, because they cannot face the reality that maybe - maybe - MMY is wrong. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Well, maybe it's just that Maharishi seems to like to put all of the emphasis on one thing at a time. I'd phrase it differently. He likes to focus his students' attention on one thing at a time. He uses the Next Big Thing to inspire hope in those who are on the verge of losing it and keep them around in the movement and contributing money. In the beginning, it was just do TM; then it was take SCI, and be a teacher; then it was do the siddhis, then it was do the siddhis in the dome, then it was Ayurveda, and Jyotish, and now it's palaces, rajas, vyastu achetechure, and so on... But the whole thing is still based in the unmanifest, according to Maharishi's teaching: everything comes out of the unmanimest field of pure consciousness; Only in the sense that creation is so based. So, it's still TM that will get you there, to pure consciousness; All of the rest are just branches of the tree, expressions of pure consciousness. That really ISN'T the message, if you're paying attenton. Where is the emphasis on teaching people to *contact* this pure consciousness? How many people worldwide actually started TM in the last year or so? My bet is that the total number (other than schools in India where students are forced to learn TM) is probably about a couple of dozen. ALL of the emphasis seems to be on the branches, with none left for the main trunk, much less the roots. Like Shakti Gawain, spoke about in Creative Visualization it's good to visualize what you want, especially on the level of feeling, and leave a space open for it to happen; be open to the possibility of it happening. Maharishi, has enormous visions of things which he visualizes would and could be possible, and he focuses on these one project at a time, until he sees how far each new concept goes. And then he drops each failed project like a hot potato, keeps all the money and the real estate that was donated for the project, and never mentions it again. The students are expected to do the same, and have no memory of any of the failed projects. It's pretty astounding how many of them do exactly that. But, it is true, that all of this teaching originated, or was revived with Swami Bramananda Saraswati, , alone in the remote forest, with no palace, living in the most simple and humble way,; so we can assume that the Capture of the Fort, of pure consciousness, is still and always will be of primary relevance.. IS it true? I certainly don't assume that TM originated with Guru Dev. I have never seen anything that suggests that Guru Dev ever taught such a technique as TM. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Clown Suits (Maharishi speaks of his vow of celebacy on BBC
-An old BBC interview with Maharishi, where he discusses his vow of celibacy and on being a monk. http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/audiointerviews/profilepages/maharishi1. shtml -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not okay with MMY giving jewelry and saris to favorite ladies unless the money was donated specifically for that. After all, the TMO's selling of MMY to the public has always made a big thing of MMY's vow of poverty and has continually assured us that MMY would never take actual possession of any TMO money for personal use. Actually, I have to say that I *never* heard anything like this from the TMO -- officially or unofficially -- in my 14 years with the organization. I'm wondering if it's one of those imagined urban legends that show up from time to time, like Maharishi claiming to be celibate. I never heard him say anything about *that*, either. In my experience, people sometimes take their assump- tions about how a spiritual teacher should act and make them into assumptions about how the teacher has actually *said* they would act. My suspicion is that if you heard either thing -- that MMY had taken a vow of poverty or that he had taken a vow of celibacy -- from someone in the TM movement, that person either made it up or was passing along something that someone else had made up. Can anyone here claim to have heard *Maharishi himself* ever say such things? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Donate money for Peace Palaces
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MMY makes hope. I would say rather that Maharishi makes *up* hope, and those who are desperate for hope buy it. Literally. 3-4 years ago an old TM-Teacher called me, she was listening to the Satellite Channel with News from MMY organisations every day. And one day it was told that a day in June that Year (I cannot remember the exact day) Heaven of Earth should rise. Pretty much like what has been saying about Sat Yoga these days. The TM- Teacher really believed that the world would change from that date, that she the next morning would wake up to a New World. Because that was what MMY had said. I do not know in what way she reacted when it did not happen, because I went to be a Non Grata person in the TMO. But I guess that MMYs devotees are clinging to what ever hope MMY is sending out, because they cannot face the reality that maybe - maybe - MMY is wrong. I honestly don't think that the issue people are unwilling to believe is that Maharishi could be wrong. The issue they're afraid to deal with is that maybe, just maybe, *they* could have been wrong, and for so long, and at such an expense. The longer you preserve your faith in Maharishi and hope that maybe, maybe,things will work out as predicted *this time*, the longer you can keep from having to deal with that other possibility -- that your faith has been misplaced, and for decades. And the longer you can put off having to deal with the corollary to such a realization -- What do I do now? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Holland Report
--- The original reason that Maharishi, had given about 8 weeks ago, concerning what he felt was a rising coherence in the world, a softness, which he percieved, that would cause certain more positive things to happen in the world, as has been reported; also, he said that there would be a greater intolerance for hypocrisy and that the media would be prodding more deeply into the political misinformation machine, which has also been happening, and will continue to incease. Many other people sesitive to these issues have been saying the same thing recently; That world consciousness is rising, quite remarkably at this juncture, and that this is increasing in intensity. This incease in world consciousness, is due primarily to individual's rising in and experiencing higher states of consciousness, and creating a field effect, that is empowering this rising clarity of consciousness. See example of reading below: http://ca.groups.yahoo.com/group/nesaracanada/message/1575 In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still don't understand how Sat Yuga could have dawned in the first place; I thought its coming depended on superradiance numbers, pundit thresholds and other contributors to a rising collective consciousness -- thresholds we had not yet met It was only an apparent dawning, not a real dawning, timed to coincide with the big Guru Purnima celebration in Vlodrop, so as to inspire generosity (fleece the congregation). --- Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick Archer posted from Dick: (a friend on Purusha) Purusha has primarily been doing regular program (unlike everyone else, who have been going to marathon meetings) to maintain a coherent atmosphere so that everyone else can be successful. Maharishi said that our presence has made him feel very strong and has done much to account for the progress toward Sat Yuga I still don't understand how Sat Yuga could have dawned in the first place; I thought its coming depended on superradiance numbers, pundit thresholds and other contributors to a rising collective consciousness -- thresholds we had not yet met If you get a chance, Rick, ask Dick about this. Or perhaps someone else here already knows. Thanks. - Patrick Gillam To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Donate money for Peace Palaces
---Well, it is good to doubt everything; that way you don't have to put your faith in anything; that's ok, I guess. Many people feel that way about everything these days, not just Maharishi, but every level of society, religion, government, courts, every level, is basically full of crap, right? There are always doubting Thomas'; but if we we're all doubting Thomas' -well that would be so boring..and us rebellious one's would have nothing to rebel against... In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MMY makes hope. 3-4 years ago an old TM-Teacher called me, she was listening to the Satellite Channel with News from MMY organisations every day. And one day it was told that a day in June that Year (I cannot remember the exact day) Heaven of Earth should rise. Pretty much like what has been saying about Sat Yoga these days. The TM- Teacher really believed that the world would change from that date, that she the next morning would wake up to a New World. Because that was what MMY had said. I do not know in what way she reacted when it did not happen, because I went to be a Non Grata person in the TMO. But I guess that MMYs devotees are clinging to what ever hope MMY is sending out, because they cannot face the reality that maybe - maybe - MMY is wrong. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Well, maybe it's just that Maharishi seems to like to put all of the emphasis on one thing at a time. I'd phrase it differently. He likes to focus his students' attention on one thing at a time. He uses the Next Big Thing to inspire hope in those who are on the verge of losing it and keep them around in the movement and contributing money. In the beginning, it was just do TM; then it was take SCI, and be a teacher; then it was do the siddhis, then it was do the siddhis in the dome, then it was Ayurveda, and Jyotish, and now it's palaces, rajas, vyastu achetechure, and so on... But the whole thing is still based in the unmanifest, according to Maharishi's teaching: everything comes out of the unmanimest field of pure consciousness; Only in the sense that creation is so based. So, it's still TM that will get you there, to pure consciousness; All of the rest are just branches of the tree, expressions of pure consciousness. That really ISN'T the message, if you're paying attenton. Where is the emphasis on teaching people to *contact* this pure consciousness? How many people worldwide actually started TM in the last year or so? My bet is that the total number (other than schools in India where students are forced to learn TM) is probably about a couple of dozen. ALL of the emphasis seems to be on the branches, with none left for the main trunk, much less the roots. Like Shakti Gawain, spoke about in Creative Visualization it's good to visualize what you want, especially on the level of feeling, and leave a space open for it to happen; be open to the possibility of it happening. Maharishi, has enormous visions of things which he visualizes would and could be possible, and he focuses on these one project at a time, until he sees how far each new concept goes. And then he drops each failed project like a hot potato, keeps all the money and the real estate that was donated for the project, and never mentions it again. The students are expected to do the same, and have no memory of any of the failed projects. It's pretty astounding how many of them do exactly that. But, it is true, that all of this teaching originated, or was revived with Swami Bramananda Saraswati, , alone in the remote forest, with no palace, living in the most simple and humble way,; so we can assume that the Capture of the Fort, of pure consciousness, is still and always will be of primary relevance.. IS it true? I certainly don't assume that TM originated with Guru Dev. I have never seen anything that suggests that Guru Dev ever taught such a technique as TM. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Donate money for Peace Palaces
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---Well, it is good to doubt everything; that way you don't have to put your faith in anything; that's ok, I guess. Many people feel that way about everything these days, not just Maharishi, but every level of society, religion, government, courts, every level, is basically full of crap, right? People have been betrayed,lied to and disappointed many, many times. I battle this attitude every day. But I see where it comes from. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Holland Report
Responses interleaved below. Patrick Gillam wrote: I still don't understand how Sat Yuga could have dawned in the first place; I thought its coming depended on superradiance numbers, pundit thresholds and other contributors to a rising collective consciousness -- thresholds we had not yet met Robert Gimbel wrote: The original reason that Maharishi, had given about 8 weeks ago, concerning what he felt was a rising coherence in the world, a softness, which he percieved, that would cause certain more positive things to happen in the world, as has been reported; Maharishi says a lot of things; that the world is going to hell; that the awakening of the Ved is irreversible; that we must rush outside with our sticks to help God hold the mountain over the village; that God needs no help from us. As people here have pointed out, MMY contradicts himself a lot. Also, he's wrong a lot. As a seer, he predicted all good things to be bubbling by the spring of 2004, I believe it was. That date came and went without any noticeable uptick in positivity that I could discern. In addition to MMY's predictions as a seer, the organization announces jyotish predictions for world events. But in neither Maharishi's predictions or those of the jyotishes do I recall anyone saying that July of 2005 would mark the arrival of a new yuga. On the contrary -- and correct me if I'm imagining this -- rising world consciousness, according to MMY, depended on superradiance groups and the like. Apparently he abandoned that technology and that condition for rising world consciousness. also, he said that there would be a greater intolerance for hypocrisy and that the media would be prodding more deeply into the political misinformation machine, which has also been happening, and will continue to incease. I would argue that the mainstream media's laxity toward political misinformation has been an anomaly that is ending, not that it's rising to new levels. Normally, digging into the story behind the story is a journalist's job. And being used as a tool of politicians is an occupational hazard that has clipped a some journalists in the past few years. I'm thinking of the NY Times' Judith Miller, for example, whose WMD reporting proved erroneous. Many other people sesitive to these issues have been saying the same thing recently; That world consciousness is rising, quite remarkably at this juncture, and that this is increasing in intensity. Not only have othe people been saying this recently, which I would define as being in the last few years, but it's been a theme for a century. Steiner was talking about it when he was active in the early part of the the 20th Century. Maharishi's announcement of the dawn of the Age of Enlightenment carried weight for me partly because so many others had predicted it. But here's my point: MMY made the dawn dependent on things *we* did as TMers -- a condition that many have questioned all along. And lo, it turns out the A of E is here *without* TMers doing all the special accomplishments MMY demanded of us, such as 7,000 TM-Sidhas in one place, or 500 pundits doing rudrabishek ceremonies. Or at least, MMY *says* sat yuga is here. - Patrick Gillam To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Donate money for Peace Palaces
--- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The longer you preserve your faith in Maharishi and hope that maybe, maybe,things will work out as predicted *this time*, the longer you can keep from having to deal with that other possibility -- that your faith has been misplaced, and for decades. And the longer you can put off having to deal with the corollary to such a realization -- What do I do now? Ha! That moment is right on the edge of realization. The move back into samsara is to find another story to occupy the mind. Realization is just to stop. There is nothing to do. Never has been. Never will be. (The last two sentences are even too much of a storyas well as this sentence). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Street Drugs
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] Did you know that the Taliban summarily executed whole opium growing families and had the opium problem maintained to a low ebb. Under the US occupation opium production however has reached an all time high this year with Afghanistan producing 70% of the world's opium and heroin. These factoids come from the Senate Oversight Committee's notes on 'proposals' to make opium producers likely targets for American strikes. However, Rumsfeld himself, the old goat, has prevented or sought to prevent such targets, while most of the money which funds terrorist activity in the world comes from opium production. Try to tell me that Satan is not the hidden voice in our government. So... what are the opium *producers* like? Are they different somehow from the rest of the farmers in Afghanistan? They have devil horns, go to be after 10:00 pm, skip their asanas, and leave the dome early and don't think any pundits are going to show up. Very easy to id. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Conscience and consciousness (was Re: Clown Suits)
On Aug 4, 2005, at 3:04 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: I was in my garden studio/shed and playing a jazz CD. This bird began jamming with the music like I've never heard before! Every time a melody would play, the bird would respond with a brilliant improv- really amazing- really wished I'd had a tape recorder handy. Are you an artist/musician? I've had similar things happen when playing music near a window or outside. It always seems to be a similar bird, but they never can be seen, only heard. I guess it was some sort of mockingbird. The pattern of bird flight is another nice animal trait which you can get something from. Eastern scripture talks of the flight of letters and this is important for yogis for deriving wisdom from their practice. But then any movement can tell you something. I know of a yogini who could predict local events by the way rocks and boulders moved on the river she lived on. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Conscience and consciousness (was Re: Clown Suits)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The pattern of bird flight is another nice animal trait which you can get something from. Eastern scripture talks of the flight of letters and this is important for yogis for deriving wisdom from their practice. But then any movement can tell you something. I know of a yogini who could predict local events by the way rocks and boulders moved on the river she lived on. The people in the area I'm living in have a similar relationship with the winds. Winds, plural, not wind. There are many of them; they all have their own names and their own characteristics. And they all presage certain events and economic trends and behaviors in the people. This dates back to the medieval period. Yesterday I was walking my friend's dogs in the morning. long before the sun had really risen very far and the day had indicated that it would be a scorcher. One of the old women along the street I live on stopped and petted the dogs and commented on the wind, which she identified as a 'mistral.' I asked her what that meant, and she said something to the effect of edginess in the people, carelessness, and danger. As she was walking off I said, Danger? Without turning around, she said, Fire. I didn't think that much about it until later when, sitting with my laptop in a cafe, I looked up and saw smoke on the horizon. Turns out there was a forest fire just over the mountains in the next town, set by careless hikers. Burned 21 hectares. They had to call in hundreds of firefighters and those bombers that drop fire-retardant from the air. Go figure. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Donate money for Peace Palaces
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While I won't defend vastu, your attitude is wrong as well. Otherwise, we should ignore any and all physical issues like mold and mildew, leaking roofs, etc. Afterall, meditation will take care of it all anyway, right? Pretty much true. Someone here, I think Barry posted a poem about this tibetan monk that slept in graveyards and stuff. Very inspiring. Common sense and personal preference guides what we do, but I've never taken seriously all of the artificial attention on environment. Over time, nature provides what we need. Yes, absolutely, nature provides us with what we need -- as soon as we relax and surrender control to Her :-) Having recently had a persistently-leaky roof on our Maine house, and having strained my brain on trying to find the best way to fix it (not being particularly handy myself, and the roofer who originally did our whole roof four years ago having disappeared), I finally remembered to let go and let God -- and amid the relief and joy of relaxing into that immense Love, immediately was given information on whom to contact and how: ask the old roofer's wife if she knew anyone who would like the job. She did, and he came right over. Not only did our roof get fixed immediately, but this same angel- carpenter (who had just moved to Maine and who was just starting to look for work) is now helping us transform the whole back end of our house -- putting in lovely 1830's 8-over-12 windows and French doors (which a friend had salvaged for me from a Greek-Revival house on Martha's Vineyard, and which had been sitting in my garage for four years), new stairs, removing 25-year-old vinyl siding, repairing corner-boards, sill-plates, re-clapboarding, insulating, drywalling, etc. If we have time before Sept., we'll even be putting in another bathroom. The whole process (while rather hard on my body, not really used to construction-work for three weeks straight) has been profoundly satisfying and moving; every little dream I ever had about improving this house is unfolding Now. (I can't explain it, but those new old windows and doors and restored clapboards are so right they make me want to cry. I don't think it is just construction fatigue! *lol*) (By the way, our Maine house is thoroughly un-Vastu -- doors to the northwest, southwest, and southeast -- and I couldn't care less; it is beautiful :-) ) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why men prefer war and SUVs, hate gays
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I didn't get the sense that Willer drew any causal conclusions, BTW. My subject line was a bit of hyperbole to attract attention; sorry if it colored your reading of the article. OK, I'll have to read it now I wonder it they looked at lebianophobic attitude increases in women? It just seemed odd that they looked at the Iraq war and SUV's - 2 hot button political topics not generally seen together. I guess it will get press. The article I posted doesn't say where, or even if, the study was actually published. I'd be curious to read it too, but what I posted was all there was, or all I could find. If you turn up the actual study, please let me know! I do suspect they asked the same attitude questions of both the men and the women. But war, the environment, and homosexuality *are* often asked about together in surveys of political attitudes, and I'll bet the responses normally tend to be skewed by gender. SUVs, though, I dunno. I'd think women are typically more pro-environment, but on the other hand they're the ones who have to ferry kids around (the soccer mom factor). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Donate money for Peace Palaces
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The longer you preserve your faith in Maharishi and hope that maybe, maybe,things will work out as predicted *this time*, the longer you can keep from having to deal with that other possibility -- that your faith has been misplaced, and for decades. And the longer you can put off having to deal with the corollary to such a realization -- What do I do now? Ha! That moment is right on the edge of realization. The move back into samsara is to find another story to occupy the mind. Realization is just to stop. There is nothing to do. Never has been. Never will be. (The last two sentences are even too much of a storyas well as this sentence). Just so! Perfection Now. There is nothing for me to do; it all IS done... :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Donate money for Peace Palaces
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He's already said that he missed this point for a very long time (need for Vedic architecture). when did he say that? In what of those online lecture thingies I believe. And how could him saying such a thing possibly have ANY weight against 30 years of proclamations about established in being and then performing action? It was an admission of being less than perfectly correct for the last 30 years, eh? I think Shemp's point is that if such a thing were said, it would *also* be an admission that the whole capture the fort approach taken in TM classic was a crock of shit. The two propositions are mutually exclusive, not complementary. Either TM enables one to transcend and thus become enlightened in any environment and in any situation or it doesn't, and one has to live in the proper Vedic environment to become enlightened. Here's a study for you -- if the founder of a popular technique of meditation (who promoted it for decades by saying that it was the fastest possible path to enlight- enment) suddenly changes his mind and says that he's been wrong all this time and the only thing that counts is living in a building of the right type...does it make you want to go out and bomb Iraq and buy an SUV? :-) :-) Yeeha! (Dr. Strangelove?) Seriously though - if he says that all that matters is a building of the right type, then 'enlightenment' has a relative cause and the whole thing falls apart. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Donate money for Peace Palaces
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a study for you -- if the founder of a popular technique of meditation (who promoted it for decades by saying that it was the fastest possible path to enlight- enment) suddenly changes his mind and says that he's been wrong all this time and the only thing that counts is living in a building of the right type...does it make you want to go out and bomb Iraq and buy an SUV? :-) :-) Yeeha! (Dr. Strangelove?) Seriously though - if he says that all that matters is a building of the right type, then 'enlightenment' has a relative cause and the whole thing falls apart. Exactimundo. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Donate money for Peace Palaces
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---Well, it is good to doubt everything; that way you don't have to put your faith in anything; that's ok, I guess. Clinging to faith no matter what and rejecting faith no matter what are both ways to avoid having to confront the possibility of being wrong. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Donate money for Peace Palaces
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a study for you -- if the founder of a popular technique of meditation (who promoted it for decades by saying that it was the fastest possible path to enlight- enment) suddenly changes his mind and says that he's been wrong all this time and the only thing that counts is living in a building of the right type...does it make you want to go out and bomb Iraq and buy an SUV? :-) :-) Yeeha! (Dr. Strangelove?) Seriously though - if he says that all that matters is a building of the right type, then 'enlightenment' has a relative cause and the whole thing falls apart. Exactimundo. :-) Yeah. Perfection is a priori :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Donate money for Peace Palaces
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---Well, it is good to doubt everything; that way you don't have to put your faith in anything; that's ok, I guess. Clinging to faith no matter what and rejecting faith no matter what are both ways to avoid having to confront the possibility of being wrong. This moves my heart. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Donate money for Peace Palaces
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---Well, it is good to doubt everything; that way you don't have to put your faith in anything; that's ok, I guess. Clinging to faith no matter what and rejecting faith no matter what are both ways to avoid having to confront the possibility of being wrong. This moves my heart. :-) That's just your kishkas being burned away by the potato dumplings of enlightenment. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Conscience and consciousness (was Re: Clown Suits)
On Aug 5, 2005, at 7:35 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: The people in the area I'm living in have a similar relationship with the winds. Winds, plural, not wind. There are many of them; they all have their own names and their own characteristics. And they all presage certain events and economic trends and behaviors in the people. This dates back to the medieval period. I wonder why it doesn't go back into antiquity? Perhaps a migration at that time? This makes me wonder if you have chanced upon The Cult of the Black Virgin by Ean Begg? It contains a wonderful gazeteer of the pre-Christian goddess sites in France (and elsewhere). His analysis of the myths across France was very captivating. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Conscience and consciousness (was Re: Clown Suits)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 5, 2005, at 7:35 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: The people in the area I'm living in have a similar relationship with the winds. Winds, plural, not wind. There are many of them; they all have their own names and their own characteristics. And they all presage certain events and economic trends and behaviors in the people. This dates back to the medieval period. I wonder why it doesn't go back into antiquity? Perhaps a migration at that time? It might. It was just first documented (AFAIK) during the medieval period when the different names were used in a metaphorical way in the Troubadour poetry. The tradition may have existed orally for a long time before that. This makes me wonder if you have chanced upon The Cult of the Black Virgin by Ean Begg? It contains a wonderful gazeteer of the pre-Christian goddess sites in France (and elsewhere). His analysis of the myths across France was very captivating. Haven't heard about it. Will watch for it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Conscience and consciousness (was Re: Clown Suits)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The people in the area I'm living in have a similar relationship with the winds. Winds, plural, not wind. There are many of them; they all have their own names and their own characteristics. And they all presage certain events and economic trends and behaviors in the people. This dates back to the medieval period. Yesterday I was walking my friend's dogs in the morning. long before the sun had really risen very far and the day had indicated that it would be a scorcher. One of the old women along the street I live on stopped and petted the dogs and commented on the wind, which she identified as a 'mistral.' I asked her what that meant, and she said something to the effect of edginess in the people, carelessness, and danger. As she was walking off I said, Danger? Without turning around, she said, Fire. I didn't think that much about it until later when, sitting with my laptop in a cafe, I looked up and saw smoke on the horizon. Turns out there was a forest fire just over the mountains in the next town, set by careless hikers. Burned 21 hectares. They had to call in hundreds of firefighters and those bombers that drop fire-retardant from the air. Go figure. From a Web page suggesting that certain phenomena (earthquakes, winds, floods, fire, explosions, machinery) generate something called infrasound, which can have profound effects on individuals, large groups of people, and even physical structures: The Mistral, weak in infrasonic intensity, does not wreak havoc with material structures. But the Mistral works its permeating harm nonetheless. For the inhabitants of certain coastal areas, the low intensity infrasound of the Mistral brings with it a peculiar seasonal anxiety and depression. In certain locations across the Mediterranean coastland there are individuals who suffer from 'seasonal nervous exhaustion' and other 'neurophysical maladies'. It is known that whenever the Mistral blows, there will be increased emotional tension, depression, and irritability. The Mistral, in numerous cases, has produced fatalities. Infrasound travels long distances, often exceeding one thousand miles, with virtually no attenuation. Its pressures thus arrive at great distances with the same force and intensity as when generated. A deadly pressure. The atmosphere sustains prolonged and powerful infrasonic vibrations. How natural conditions can systematically modify human behavior for protracted seasonal periods is frightening. How natural conditions can systematically modify large-scale social behavior for protracted seasonal periods is equally frightening. Not much acoustic power is required for infrasound to produce such extreme and sustained physiological symptoms. Fohn winds are dry and warm southerly winds which traverse the Alpine regions of Europe. Fohn weather is characterized by clear skies, high visibility, and dry atmosphere. Studies of 'Fohn weather' and the Mistral alike have revealed some intriguing and frightening statistical correlations. The biological effects of both Mistral and Fohn weather have been well documented. These include extreme irritability, accident-prone loss of objective judgement, slight disorientation, mild nausea, and diarrhea. It is an established fact that sustained low intensity infrasound alters human behavior and health. Higher accident rates are correlated with pre-Fohn weather onset. This high accident rate rises until the establishment of Fohn weather, having been attributed to the infrasonic content of the winds. http://www.borderlands.com/newstuff/research/infra.htm Unfortunately the writer provides no citations to any scientific studies to back up his claims... The site's home page begins: Borderland Sciences was founded by Meade Layne in 1945 for the purpose of investigating into realms normally beyond the range of basic human perception and physical measurement. Lots of interesting weird stuff. And here's an annotated list of several dozen named winds from all over the world: http://ggweather.com/winds.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Donate money for Peace Palaces
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---Well, it is good to doubt everything; that way you don't have to put your faith in anything; that's ok, I guess. Clinging to faith no matter what and rejecting faith no matter what are both ways to avoid having to confront the possibility of being wrong. This moves my heart. :-) That's just your kishkas being burned away by the potato dumplings of enlightenment. I credit Judy. If Judy is not Jewish, perhaps they are shiksa-kishkas? (Say THAT 10 times fast...) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Conscience and consciousness (was Re: Clown Suits)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 5, 2005, at 7:35 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: The people in the area I'm living in have a similar relationship with the winds. Winds, plural, not wind. There are many of them; they all have their own names and their own characteristics. And they all presage certain events and economic trends and behaviors in the people. This dates back to the medieval period. I wonder why it doesn't go back into antiquity? Perhaps a migration at that time? It might. It was just first documented (AFAIK) during the medieval period when the different names were used in a metaphorical way in the Troubadour poetry. The tradition may have existed orally for a long time before that. Not to slight France, but naming specific regional types of winds and attributing certain effects on people to them is traditional worldwide. See a previous post from me with the URL of a named winds page. (El Nino is another example of a named wind, but it's more of a global wind pattern, so it was probably recognized only fairly recently; and I don't think it's known for its psychic effects.) I'd guess that agricultural and seafaring societies would have had to be particularly attuned to different kinds of winds. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Random subject heading (was Re: unrelated subject)
Maharishi's absence of celibacy vows may absolve him of accusations of hypocrisy, but it makes one wonder why he asked people in his organization to abstain from sex. The most unsavory explanation is that he did it to wield power over them. The best case scenario, I suppose, is that for those people at that time, celibacy was a good thing. Maybe Rick can find time to poll people who abstained to get their perspectives on the experience. - Patrick Gillam P.S. I've only been following these discussions with one eye, but it's fascinating to see how we read meanings into things. It's a theme this group has come back to again and again. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -An old BBC interview with Maharishi, where he discusses his vow of celibacy and on being a monk. http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/audiointerviews/profilepages/maharishi1. shtml Interesting, and thanks for posting this link, but he doesn't actually mention celibacy in the segment. He speaks in general terms in answer to the interviewer's question, in terms of restraining from the worldly joys of life. He doesn't even speak of *vows* in this clip, merely that he came out of that world that believed that to lead a spiritual life, one must renounce the world. He says that he renounced the world. But *then* he goes on to say that what he *learned* was that it *wasn't* necessary to renounce the world to lead a spiritual life. I had the idea that I must renounce the world in order to be really a spiritual man, a yogi. But what I found out was that spiritual life was not dependent on the renun- ciation of the material world. So if one were looking for it, one could see in this clip a *rejection* of the idea of renouncing the world, rather than a claim to still be living that life. All his references in this clip to renouncing the world are in the past tense. So I reiterate -- has anyone *ever* heard Maharishi claim to be celibate? Or has everyone merely *assumed* he was all this time? Unc P.S. In retrospect, don't you find it fascinating that what you read into this clip was, according to the Subject line, Maharishi speaking of his vow of celibacy? He never mentioned celibacy, he never mentioned vows, and he actually *rejected* the idea of having to renounce the world to be spiritual. My original point was that one hears what one wants to hear. I rest my case. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Donate money for Peace Palaces
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---Well, it is good to doubt everything; that way you don't have to put your faith in anything; that's ok, I guess. Clinging to faith no matter what and rejecting faith no matter what are both ways to avoid having to confront the possibility of being wrong. This moves my heart. :-) That's just your kishkas being burned away by the potato dumplings of enlightenment. I credit Judy. If Judy is not Jewish, perhaps they are shiksa-kishkas? (Say THAT 10 times fast...) chortle I think I was being given the role of the potato dumpling in Unc's formulation, actually. But if I don't have to be a *potato* dumpling, it could be shiksa-kreplach-kishkas. (I can't even say that *once*.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Donate money for Peace Palaces
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---Well, it is good to doubt everything; that way you don't have to put your faith in anything; that's ok, I guess. Clinging to faith no matter what and rejecting faith no matter what are both ways to avoid having to confront the possibility of being wrong. This moves my heart. :-) That's just your kishkas being burned away by the potato dumplings of enlightenment. I credit Judy. If Judy is not Jewish, perhaps they are shiksa-kishkas? (Say THAT 10 times fast...) chortle I think I was being given the role of the potato dumpling in Unc's formulation, actually. Yes, but since we are one and all :-) ... actually, I just couldn't resist putting shiksa and kishka together, even if logic and causality were strained in the juncture ... perhaps it was an alogical quantum-leap? :-) But if I don't have to be a *potato* dumpling, it could be shiksa-kreplach-kishkas. (I can't even say that *once*.) *lol* To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Donate money for Peace Palaces
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I think I was being given the role of the potato dumpling in Unc's formulation, actually. Yes, but since we are one and all :-) ... actually, I just couldn't resist putting shiksa and kishka together And why, indeed, should you? (Resist, that is.) I think you may have just invented a catchy name for an age-old phenomenon. ;-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Donate money for Peace Palaces
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MMY makes hope. 3-4 years ago an old TM-Teacher called me, she was listening to the Satellite Channel with News from MMY organisations every day. And one day it was told that a day in June that Year (I cannot remember the exact day) Heaven of Earth should rise. Pretty much like what has been saying about Sat Yoga these days. The TM- Teacher really believed that the world would change from that date, that she the next morning would wake up to a New World. Because that was what MMY had said. I do not know in what way she reacted when it did not happen, because I went to be a Non Grata person in the TMO. But I guess that MMYs devotees are clinging to what ever hope MMY is sending out, because they cannot face the reality that maybe - maybe - MMY is wrong. Ingegerd If you have already inaugurated the Age of Enlightenment (30 years ago), Heaven on Earth (20 years ago), and neither of these are exactly what one would expect, and now Sat Yuga is inaugurated with no noticeable changes (as yet anyway), what is left to inaugurate.??. Has MMY given any indication when we will see Sat Yuga, other than the usual soon? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Donate money for Peace Palaces
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I was being given the role of the potato dumpling in Unc's formulation, actually. But if I don't have to be a *potato* dumpling, it could be shiksa-kreplach-kishkas. (I can't even say that *once*.) Mmm. Now that sounds delicious. I love the sound of kreplach (when pronounced correctly). Judy, did you ever see Jackie Mason's one man Broadway show? My ex-wife had a video copy and it never ceased to crack her up. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Donate money for Peace Palaces
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I read it - and once more I draw a comparison between Guru Devs teaching and his clerks teaching. And once more I feel more and more close to the Veda and a more and more distance to MMY. These press releases are just bizarre. Ingegerd More than bizarre. What do they say about the efficacy of the TM technique? And what MMY has SAID for the first 30 years of the Movement about the TM technique and the relation the meditator established in being has to the relative and and his environment? He's already said that he missed this point for a very long time (need for Vedic architecture). when did he say that? In what of those online lecture thingies I believe. And how could him saying such a thing possibly have ANY weight against 30 years of proclamations about established in being and then performing action? It was an admission of being less than perfectly correct for the last 30 years, eh? Sorry, I don't understand that last comment of yours. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Donate money for Peace Palaces
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He's already said that he missed this point for a very long time (need for Vedic architecture). when did he say that? In what of those online lecture thingies I believe. And how could him saying such a thing possibly have ANY weight against 30 years of proclamations about established in being and then performing action? It was an admission of being less than perfectly correct for the last 30 years, eh? I think Shemp's point is that if such a thing were said, it would *also* be an admission that the whole capture the fort approach taken in TM classic was a crock of shit. The two propositions are mutually exclusive, not complementary. Either TM enables one to transcend and thus become enlightened in any environment and in any situation or it doesn't, and one has to live in the proper Vedic environment to become enlightened. Thank you, Tantra, that is exactly what I feel. Here's a study for you -- if the founder of a popular technique of meditation (who promoted it for decades by saying that it was the fastest possible path to enlight- enment) suddenly changes his mind and says that he's been wrong all this time and the only thing that counts is living in a building of the right type...does it make you want to go out and bomb Iraq and buy an SUV? :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Holland Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: znipp The interesting thing again is that it not only looks possible, but is positively attractive to underwriters and investors. And how many have signed up, and committed real funds? I wish them the best, but things seem a pie-in-the-sky, pipe-dream thinking at this point. So was Little Boy until Hungarian[!] Leo Szilard convinced Einstein that neutrons can be used to make atomic nuclei unsteady, intsead of alfa particles, or was it? (Strange, one of the main developers of H-bomb, Edward Teller, was also Hungarian. He did it together with a Polish mathematician, Stanislaw Ulam.) So you are saying the TMO needs a Hungarian Raja and flying teams to make this scheme work? :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Holland Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL again. And my inner editor suspects you meant steeped rather than seeped... :-) Unfortunately, experience leads me to conclude that, in most cases, a TMO devotee's negativity is the universe's reality. It continues to astonish me that most TMO devotees are apparently completely incapable of seeing that literally NOTHING of the TMO's grandiose plans or promises has ever happened, or that there is a vanishingly small likelihood that any of them ever will happen (IMO). There have been very brief moments when I have envied this ability to completely deny reality, as I acknowledge that occasionally it feels as though it would be easier to feel that someone or someting else is taking care of everything. My dirty little secret is that, for me, it's MORE than brief moments: I wish I had the capacity to believe as TM Acolytes do all the time, and unthinkingly be devoted to the craziness of the TMO. LIfe would be a hell of alot easier. But most of the time I am very thankful that I have concluded I am solely responsible for my own decisions, experiences and evolution. Without that responsibility, I can't imagine I would deserve the freedom that comes with it to really experience life at its fullest. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its a shame we are both so seeped in negativity. :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had to laugh deeply at your responses. The economic reality check you gave each of the patently absurd paragraphs was almost word for word what my response was when I read the same email forwarded to me by Steve Hathaway. Dreamland continues... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This means finding at least one major builder nationally and one for each state who will sign on at Maharishi's terms to putting up Marble Peace Colonies (housing developments of vastu residences), Peace Palaces, hospitals, schools, or whatever is in line with Sthapatya Veda. The builders find the land and locate the funding, [and] build ... This is what builders generally do and they take 100% of the pie. [built] according to our requirements, and then take 1/3 of the profit while the International Peace Government gets another third and the National Peace Government the rest. So the Global Peace Gov'ts take 2/3 of the profits while taking no risk -- simply by supplying building plans. And presumably such plans, being so magnificent, will provide the new demand for such facilities (that is, buyers will shift from purchasing regular housing and facilities that the builders could build on their own and opt for living in a peace community. With other peace people, some of whom wear funny hats and gowns.). Any marketing studies to support that premise? And the amazing thing is that it's happening, and everywhere! Uh huh. And where exactly is everywhere? Can a list of builders who sigened on and who have committed funds be supplied? It turns out that builders now really take to the idea as the latest direction in building and want to be involved. Yes, I guess the builers' trade journals all have front page stories on this. Well maybe in the next issue, because I find nothing so far. * A second major push is to expand the pilot projects in Vedic agriculture to a global scale. The 1-acre greenhouse in Vedic City, even in its first year, yielded $200,000 in revenues, And what were the costs? $300,000. With volunteer labor? and will easily double that in the next year or two, and demand in the US market is such that they can sell as much produce as they can produce. And this extensive demand for very high-priced organics was determined how? And assuming the M. Greenhouses are an innovation, and such greenhouses are actually profitable, what prevents other players from entering the market to soak up that demand? Why would an investor partner up with the TMO and give away 1/2 or 2/3's of thier profits? What propriatory knowledge does the TMO bring to the table here? The Brazilian Maharishi Vedic Organic Honey project is also going very well. A Japanese firm that specializes in testing honey and other fine products said that this is the best honey, in terms of nutrients, anti-oxidents, and their own measure of orderliness, that they have ever tested. A marginal increase in nutrients for 5 times the price. Sounds attractive. The upshot is that market experts like
[FairfieldLife] Conscience and consciousness (was Re: Clown Suits)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm curious why you would africanize the bees, Sparaig? There was no hint of this prior to your comment. Shemp said they were in a desert. Estimates are that 90+% of all wild bees in the US southwest are Africanized... If he meant a northern desert, disregard. Sonoran Desert: southwest. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bee's are great. I've had interesting karma with these little hive-beings. Place your attention on their world and it unfolds a new web of inter-relation different from the world we see--a web of hive-flower and their hive city/mandala which overlaps our own Dakini-net and awareness flow. I remember when I was still doing the siddhis and I would get these loud--really loud bee noises coming from my body (LOL) which were so loud I would stop meditating and go out and check and the neighborhood to see if it was disturbing the neighbors! Really tuned me into bees too. Of course it was subtle and internal but seemed so real, so tangible. Yes, when I am in the garden and a bee approaches, I relax and queitly ask them to go away and they do. Easy to communicate with. Bees and wasps seem very tuned into us- which is why I think they get so agitated when we wave our arms about and speed up our heart rate in their presence. We also have many crows nearby- very intelligent birds. Also find that dog speech is pretty easy to understand. And my most wonderful experience recently was with a mockingbird I think it was, though I didn't actually see it. I was in my garden studio/shed and playing a jazz CD. This bird began jamming with the music like I've never heard before! Every time a melody would play, the bird would respond with a brilliant improv- really amazing- really wished I'd had a tape recorder handy. About 4 years ago in the spring I was hiking in the desert. It was an unusual year in which the desert flowers were blooming more than usual. I was all by myself about two miles from the trail head and any semblance of civilization and all of a sudden a black cloud of bees came towards me. There was virtually nothing I could do; if they wanted to sting me to death, they could have. Well, I found myself totally relaxing, they passed over and around me (not one landed on me) and they went on their way. They were in such an ecstatic frenzy to get to their nectar in the jackpot of flowers that they paid me absolutely no heed. Generally migrating africanized bees are much safer than those with a hive to protect. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Donate money for Peace Palaces
I have been one of those true believers who really trusted every word that MMY said, because I thought that he always speak the truth, was honest and lived a life according to what he teach. My fault, because I forgot that he is a Human Being, not the New Messiah. I could write a book about all the myths about MMY from the first time he came to Norway. We did not knew anything about the Veda, we had nothing to compare with - he was the One. So when the house of Maya started to fall apart like a building of cards, I had to start to think about MMy and the TMO from scratch. To reprogram everything I had heard and experienced. The good thing is the TM-Technique, I never doubt that.For the rest I doubt everything until things is proven to work in a positive way. The second good thing is that he opened my eyes for Guru Dev and the Veda - so he has done his job regarding me. The rest I have to do myself. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---Well, it is good to doubt everything; that way you don't have to put your faith in anything; that's ok, I guess. Many people feel that way about everything these days, not just Maharishi, but every level of society, religion, government, courts, every level, is basically full of crap, right? People have been betrayed,lied to and disappointed many, many times. I battle this attitude every day. But I see where it comes from. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Holland Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL again. And my inner editor suspects you meant steeped rather than seeped... :-) Maybe it's negativity seeping in from association with the rest of us neganauts. :-) Unfortunately, experience leads me to conclude that, in most cases, a TMO devotee's negativity is the universe's reality. It continues to astonish me that most TMO devotees are apparently completely incapable of seeing that literally NOTHING of the TMO's grandiose plans or promises has ever happened, or that there is a vanishingly small likelihood that any of them ever will happen (IMO). There have been very brief moments when I have envied this ability to completely deny reality, as I acknowledge that occasionally it feels as though it would be easier to feel that someone or someting else is taking care of everything. It is pretty astounding, isn't it? Some of it, I'm convinced, is just inertia -- a mind at rest (having decided that one person is the authority in one's life) tends to stay at rest, and resists doubting that authority (or any kind of change, for that matter). On the other hand, a life of pure faith (with no objective payoff for that faith) can be a viable path, as long as one has sufficient funds to keep paying the bills so that the fantasy continues. The obvious threat coming from the movement right now (what with the recertification thang and the fatwa on England and stuff like that) is that if you *don't* have the faith to buy into anything that's said as if it's absolute truth, you'll be expelled from the movement and the fantasy channel will be switched off. But most of the time I am very thankful that I have concluded I am solely responsible for my own decisions, experiences and evolution. Without that responsibility, I can't imagine I would deserve the freedom that comes with it to really experience life at its fullest. Well said. While there is something to be said for a life in which one surrenders one's critical faculties to an authority, IMO there is a great deal more to be said for a life in which one is comfortable being one's own authority. Or with knowing that there is no such thing as an authority. ...and I would add to this last paragraph of Tantra's that that is the path of the TM Program. What goes on with the TMO is NOT the TM Program... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its a shame we are both so seeped in negativity. :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Donate money for Peace Palaces
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Well, maybe it's just that Maharishi seems to like to put all of the emphasis on one thing at a time. In the beginning, it was just do TM; then it was take SCI, and be a teacher; then it was do the siddhis, then it was do the siddhis in the dome, then it was Ayurveda, and Jyotish, and now it's palaces, rajas, vyastu achetechure, and so on... But the whole thing is still based in the unmanifest, according to Maharishi's teaching: everything comes out of the unmanimest field of pure consciousness; So, it's still TM that will get you there, to pure consciousness; All of the rest are just branches of the tree, expressions of pure consciousness. Like Shakti Gawain, spoke about in Creative Visualization it's good to visualize what you want, especially on the level of feeling, and leave a space open for it to happen; be open to the possibility of it happening. Maharishi, has enormous visions of things which he visualizes would and could be possible, and he focuses on these one project at a time, until he sees how far each new concept goes. But, it is true, that all of this teaching originated, or was revived with Swami Bramananda Saraswati, , alone in the remote forest, with no palace, living in the most simple and humble way,; so we can assume that the Capture of the Fort, of pure consciousness, is still and always will be of primary relevance.. Good. And the implications of Capturing the Fort being of primary relevance is that virtually all of the other crap can be completely and totally ignored and one can still -- just as quickly and as effectively -- reach the goal. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do they say about the efficacy of the TM technique? And what MMY has SAID for the first 30 years of the Movement about the TM technique and the relation the meditator established in being has to the relative and and his environment? He's already said that he missed this point for a very long time (need for Vedic architecture). Could the point possibly be that he thinks there is more money to be made in construction than in selling meditation? Possible. OTOH, perhaps he CAN be taken at face value on things? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holland Report
On Aug 5, 2005, at 11:10 AM, shempmcgurk wrote: LIfe would be a hell of alot easier. And a hell of a lot more expensive ;-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Donate money for Peace Palaces
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While I won't defend vastu, your attitude is wrong as well. Otherwise, we should ignore any and all physical issues like mold and mildew, leaking roofs, etc. Afterall, meditation will take care of it all anyway, right? Pretty much true. Someone here, I think Barry posted a poem about this tibetan monk that slept in graveyards and stuff. Very inspiring. Common sense and personal preference guides what we do, but I've never taken seriously all of the artificial attention on environment. Over time, nature provides what we need. Yes, absolutely, nature provides us with what we need -- as soon as we relax and surrender control to Her :-) Having recently had a persistently-leaky roof on our Maine house, and having strained my brain on trying to find the best way to fix it (not being particularly handy myself, and the roofer who originally did our whole roof four years ago having disappeared), I finally remembered to let go and let God -- and amid the relief and joy of relaxing into that immense Love, immediately was given information on whom to contact and how: ask the old roofer's wife if she knew anyone who would like the job. She did, and he came right over. Not only did our roof get fixed immediately, but this same angel- carpenter (who had just moved to Maine and who was just starting to look for work) is now helping us transform the whole back end of our house -- putting in lovely 1830's 8-over-12 windows and French doors (which a friend had salvaged for me from a Greek-Revival house on Martha's Vineyard, and which had been sitting in my garage for four years), new stairs, removing 25-year-old vinyl siding, repairing corner-boards, sill-plates, re-clapboarding, insulating, drywalling, etc. If we have time before Sept., we'll even be putting in another bathroom. The whole process (while rather hard on my body, not really used to construction-work for three weeks straight) has been profoundly satisfying and moving; every little dream I ever had about improving this house is unfolding Now. (I can't explain it, but those new old windows and doors and restored clapboards are so right they make me want to cry. I don't think it is just construction fatigue! *lol*) (By the way, our Maine house is thoroughly un-Vastu -- doors to the northwest, southwest, and southeast -- and I couldn't care less; it is beautiful :-) ) Sounds great, Rory. Nothing like a heavenly space in which to live! And I couldn't agree more, that rather than adhere to some belief 'out there', all is granted right here, right now. As I can obviously and many times attest, I don't know where the solution will come from, but it invariably appears. And often times tracing back the process of finding it involves some wonderful reflection of inner development and outer fulfillment. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Conscience and consciousness (was Re: Clown Suits)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 4, 2005, at 3:04 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: I was in my garden studio/shed and playing a jazz CD. This bird began jamming with the music like I've never heard before! Every time a melody would play, the bird would respond with a brilliant improv- really amazing- really wished I'd had a tape recorder handy. Are you an artist/musician? Yes, more an artist, though I did buy my 'sat yuga' ;) conga drum not long ago...and I also just purchased a dremel tool engraver because my hand-powered wood engraving tool was pretty worn out, and I am working on a very soft piece of wood now, engraving it with these sort of tribal looking patterns. fun stuff. About the bird, I do see mocking birds in the garden regularly, hence my assumption... I've had similar things happen when playing music near a window or outside. It always seems to be a similar bird, but they never can be seen, only heard. I guess it was some sort of mockingbird. The pattern of bird flight is another nice animal trait which you can get something from. Eastern scripture talks of the flight of letters and this is important for yogis for deriving wisdom from their practice. But then any movement can tell you something. I know of a yogini who could predict local events by the way rocks and boulders moved on the river she lived on. Reminds me of stories I used to hear in school about the Greek oracles divining the future from the patterns of bird flight and such. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Donate money for Peace Palaces
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I was being given the role of the potato dumpling in Unc's formulation, actually. But if I don't have to be a *potato* dumpling, it could be shiksa-kreplach-kishkas. (I can't even say that *once*.) Mmm. Now that sounds delicious. I love the sound of kreplach (when pronounced correctly). Judy, did you ever see Jackie Mason's one man Broadway show? My ex-wife had a video copy and it never ceased to crack her up. I have problems with Mason's politics, so I've never been a fan, but the accent is delicious. Practically anything is funnier in a Jewish (Yiddish?) accent. I wish I could do accents; I'd talk to myself in that one just for the joy of it. On my one visit to Paris many years ago, I went with some friends to the Jewish quarter and was astonished to hear the residents speaking French with the very same accent and characteristic intonation. I didn't realize it translated! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Donate money for Peace Palaces
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] On my one visit to Paris many years ago, I went with some friends to the Jewish quarter and was astonished to hear the residents speaking French with the very same accent and characteristic intonation. I didn't realize it translated! Cool. Apparently it's a beingness. Jews have well maintained their culture, heritage and values through it all which obviously has been a lot. I remember my father in law sending me a list of famous Jews. Mind blowing for me. Speaks to me of the importance of values and integrity. I love accents. They make people laugh and communicate so much. I can thank MMY (as well as Dr Sudarshan's son) for a pretty decent Indian one. I might not have understood what was going on in those tapes half the time, but the accent got through. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Holland Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL again. And my inner editor suspects you meant steeped rather than seeped... :-) Yes, I meant steeped. But seep, though awkward in this context, fits also. Its funny. As I was falling to sleep, I suddenly jolted to a more awake state, did I just say 'seeped' !!?? Unfortunately, experience leads me to conclude that, in most cases, a TMO devotee's negativity is the universe's reality. It continues to astonish me that most TMO devotees are apparently completely incapable of seeing that literally NOTHING of the TMO's grandiose plans or promises has ever happened, or that there is a vanishingly small likelihood that any of them ever will happen (IMO). One thing that has always struck with me from MMY's teachings / proverbs, is that Progress unfolds through the opposite steps of expansion and contraction. This is quite similar to brainstorming exercises, where one, or a group, is first encouraged to freely dream, imagine and throw out any and all ideas / solutions, no matter how wild and impractical, without any criticing or constraints. Once a good list is compiled, one then goes back through the list with full analytical faculties engaged, paring down the excesses, assessing practicalities of implemtation, etc. And looking how to make the dream work. Its a right brain left brain sort of thing, alternating their use, and then synthesizing the best of each. MMY's programs always remind me of the best of the expansive side of the exercise. Its a good example of lettng go of boundaries and using the full stoke of creativity and expansiveness to see and structure a new 'vision of possibilities'. What is missing, or more charitably, what he leaves up to the student to do, is to follow-up with the critical, analytical phase of the process of making the vision practical, with its feet on the ground. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Donate money for Peace Palaces
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] On my one visit to Paris many years ago, I went with some friends to the Jewish quarter and was astonished to hear the residents speaking French with the very same accent and characteristic intonation. I didn't realize it translated! Cool. Apparently it's a beingness. Jews have well maintained their culture, heritage and values through it all which obviously has been a lot. I remember my father in law sending me a list of famous Jews. Mind blowing for me. Speaks to me of the importance of values and integrity. Or, some might argue, Ashkenazi overclocking. ;-) (If you missed that discussion, don't ask...) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 'People hear what they want to hear, see what they want to see...'
-I had originally listened to this clip about a month ago. When I read the post on celebacy, I remembered he had spoken somewhat on the subject on the BBC interview. So, I just made up a title for the post that seemed relevant to the title; and thought that people would get out of listening to it, what they needed to hear. But it is quite true, that people hear what they want to hear, and see what they want to see. I had a few experiences when I was around Maharishi, and heard a talk he gave, and then heard many different stories of the same talk, by each person that heard it, because everyone it appears, hears something different. I suppose that all of the teachings of the various Masters, fall prey to this translation. Beyond people hearing what they want to hear, it's interesting to note that sometimes people seem to not hear, what they are not ready to hear, or don't want to hear. Have you ever noticed that when you might be trying to explain something which seems to be beyond another person's conprehension, or it the notion you are presenting goes against one of thier core beliefs, it's as if the person listening goes blank and doesn't or cannot hear what you are saying; it's as if they are not meant to hear at that point. Sometimes in trying to relate an experience you may have had to another person, and they are not yet ready to hear of such an experience, it's as though they cannot hear it no matter what you say. It's as if there are a heirarchy of lessons, and you can't help someone to skip a lesson to get to the next; this is why I figure, that happens. -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maharishi's absence of celibacy vows may absolve him of accusations of hypocrisy, but it makes one wonder why he asked people in his organization to abstain from sex. The most unsavory explanation is that he did it to wield power over them. The best case scenario, I suppose, is that for those people at that time, celibacy was a good thing. Maybe Rick can find time to poll people who abstained to get their perspectives on the experience. - Patrick Gillam P.S. I've only been following these discussions with one eye, but it's fascinating to see how we read meanings into things. It's a theme this group has come back to again and again. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -An old BBC interview with Maharishi, where he discusses his vow of celibacy and on being a monk. http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/audiointerviews/profilepages/maharishi1. shtml Interesting, and thanks for posting this link, but he doesn't actually mention celibacy in the segment. He speaks in general terms in answer to the interviewer's question, in terms of restraining from the worldly joys of life. He doesn't even speak of *vows* in this clip, merely that he came out of that world that believed that to lead a spiritual life, one must renounce the world. He says that he renounced the world. But *then* he goes on to say that what he *learned* was that it *wasn't* necessary to renounce the world to lead a spiritual life. I had the idea that I must renounce the world in order to be really a spiritual man, a yogi. But what I found out was that spiritual life was not dependent on the renun- ciation of the material world. So if one were looking for it, one could see in this clip a *rejection* of the idea of renouncing the world, rather than a claim to still be living that life. All his references in this clip to renouncing the world are in the past tense. So I reiterate -- has anyone *ever* heard Maharishi claim to be celibate? Or has everyone merely *assumed* he was all this time? Unc P.S. In retrospect, don't you find it fascinating that what you read into this clip was, according to the Subject line, Maharishi speaking of his vow of celibacy? He never mentioned celibacy, he never mentioned vows, and he actually *rejected* the idea of having to renounce the world to be spiritual. My original point was that one hears what one wants to hear. I rest my case. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'People hear what they want to hear, see what they want to see...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -I had originally listened to this clip about a month ago. When I read the post on celebacy, I remembered he had spoken somewhat on the subject on the BBC interview. So, I just made up a title for the post that seemed relevant to the title; and thought that people would get out of listening to it, what they needed to hear. I understand now. Sorry if I implied that what you wrote in the Subject line was what you heard in the tape. But it is quite true, that people hear what they want to hear, and see what they want to see. Yup. I had a few experiences when I was around Maharishi, and heard a talk he gave, and then heard many different stories of the same talk, by each person that heard it, because everyone it appears, hears something different. I suppose that all of the teachings of the various Masters, fall prey to this translation. Absolutely. I am convinced that if an enlightened teacher had 100 students, the only thing that could do his or her teaching any justice (and of course it still wouldn't) would be 100 books, one from each point of view, each of them completely contradicting the others. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Holland Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There have been very brief moments when I have envied this ability to completely deny reality, Robert Svoboda says his aghori mentor Vimalananda used to say Take care of Reality, or Reality will take care of you. (or something to that effect). http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/index=booksfield-author-exact=Robert%20E.%20Svoboda/002-9557080-8977633 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holland Report
on 8/5/05 10:10 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote My dirty little secret is that, for me, it's MORE than brief moments: I wish I had the capacity to believe as TM Acolytes do all the time, and unthinkingly be devoted to the craziness of the TMO. LIfe would be a hell of alot easier. Would it? I don't see too many of them living easy lives. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Question about Hindu Temple
I am going to a Hindu Temple Tuesday. The priests is doing pujas, and I wonder - Is it something I should be aware of when I go to that Temple as a woman. Should I bring something - flowers or what? Do somebody know something about that subject? Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Holland Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/5/05 10:10 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote My dirty little secret is that, for me, it's MORE than brief moments: I wish I had the capacity to believe as TM Acolytes do all the time, and unthinkingly be devoted to the craziness of the TMO. LIfe would be a hell of alot easier. Would it? I don't see too many of them living easy lives. Define easy lives. What makes life easy, your circumstances, or your attitude toward/experience of those circumstances? If I may, I'm going to repost some things I said on alt.m.t a couple of years ago that may be germane in this context. (I've edited them slightly for length and relevance.) The first post was in response to a comment from TMer Tom Pall. -- Tom Pall wrote: snip I have reported experiences on this newsgroup wherein I feel that MMY and I are on the same level. When I look out over the landscape, everything MMY does and says makes perfect sense. It's sort of a Vedic version of Mr. Roger's Neighborhood where there is no muck and mire. Time both exists and doesn't exist. And each of MMY's creations make sense. It's a make your own reality world. A king wearing a funny hat and ministers of everything make as much sense as being really into one of Shakespeare's plays where the language, allusions and ideas all make total sense and are as real as anything can be real. Even more real than that, as there's the Absolute driving it, just as there are universal archetypes and/or the shared Human Experience driving Shakespeare's play.. That's really well put. Back in 1995, I spent the summer at the TM facility in Asbury Park, New Jersey. It was a big, fancy hotel that housed national and international staff and an MA-V clinic; it served as an RR stop for movement folk from all over the world, including Jyotishis and vaidyas and Gandharva Veda musicians and TM-Sidhis administrators. Residence courses and complete TM-Sidhis courses, including the flying block, were held there. There was also a contingent of Purusha in residence. It was really a cross-section of the entire movement at the time. The facility was also a working hotel, movement run but catering to non-TMers, at the same time. But they didn't have as many paying guests as they would have liked, so they had a special deal where TMers could rent suites on a monthly basis for an extremely reasonable fee and carry on their normal lives. I thought it would be neat to have a sort of working vacation on the Jersey shore for the summer (the hotel was right on the beach, and I got a suite with a full ocean view) and have the opportunity to do group program on a regular basis, while I was doing my regular editing work. So I had the unusual experience of living right smack in the middle of the movement without actually being a part of it. I socialized at meals and during off-hours with all the movement folks, including a number of old-time TM governors, who would frequently hold forth about the early days of the movement and who loved to talk about Maharishi and explain why he did what he did. Anyway, there were times during that summer when I had a very similar experience to what Tom describes: everything about the movement made perfect sense. (It wasn't an experience of higher consciousness, as Tom's seems to have been, though, at least it didn't feel like that at all.) It also became obvious during these experiences that the real world was nuts, completely out of kilter. But then because in the course of my work and other activities of my normal life I would have frequent contact with the real world, I'd get pulled out of that perspective, and all of a sudden the real world would look completely rational and the movement would look nuts and out of kilter, just as it always had before. I shuttled back and forth between these two perspectives all summer. It was truly weird; there was absolutely no way to reconcile them. Whichever one I was immersed in, the other was utterly, hopelessly incompatible. When I was in movement mode, I would occasionally contemplate committing myself to the movement. But I realized I'd have to completely give up the real world mindset; I couldn't keep one foot in the real world and one foot in the movement. The rules were just too different. In the end, obviously, I went back to the real world. I don't regret making that choice for a second, but to this day I genuinely don't know whether the movement mode I got into was some kind of pathological delusion, or an alternate reality that was entirely legitimate and supremely sane on its own terms. - Then later in a thread that was discussing how MMY jumps from project to project, I elaborated a bit: - That's what I described as the movement mindset. Living in the real
[FairfieldLife] Re: Donate money for Pizza Palaces
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: jim_flanegin To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 10:22 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Donate money for Pizza Palaces --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds great. Ever considered writing a cookbook? I know theres a jillion of them out there, but perhaps blending some radical spiritual musings with it would really catch the eye of a publisher, or two... Nobody knows me or cares what I cook, even though I have about fifty recipes I could write down right now. I like the spiritual angle though. I need to consider that. The problem is to make the spiritual stuff interesting enough so that I feel like writing about it but without giving tantra secrets away. Good idea. The Tantra of Cooking. The only problem is that I could give a shit about chakras and all the other stuff that people usually understand. How would I teach mantra science as regards to cooking and who would be able to use it? The Mahavidyas on Food. What the Ten Goddesses prefer to eat. Now there's a racy subject. Yeah, don't make it the 'spiritual' stuff that people focus on- just focus your energy on each dish and write a small universe about it. Keep it fluid and you might come up with something. You may have a winner. I'll save this and think it over.. I have found some people just have books inside them waiting to be written. I believe you are one of them. Particularly because you have rich outer knowledge of cooking, rich inner knowledge of gods, goddessses, and demons, and the ability to write about both in an entertaining and coherent way. We should all be so fortunate. Just don't quit your day job and best of luck! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Donate money for Pizza Palaces
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I have found some people just have books inside them waiting to be written. I believe you are one of them. Particularly because you have rich outer knowledge of cooking, rich inner knowledge of gods, goddessses, and demons, and the ability to write about both in an entertaining and coherent way. We should all be so fortunate. Just don't quit your day job and best of luck! Doesn't have to be long and comprehensive; a dozen or two recipes would be enough. Part of the package could be lively illustrations, both of the gods/goddesses/demons and of the food. Could be elaborate and beautiful, or humorous cartoon- style, or both. Llundrub himself could be in them, preparing the food and offering it to the deities. Do a couple sample recipes with commentary first, make an outline of the rest, then write a book proposal to send around to agents and/or publishers. You could even self-publish if you could get the funds; or try pitching to some of the small, independent publishers that are sprouting like weeds these days. They love unusual niche-type books. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Donate money for Peace Palaces
On Aug 5, 2005, at 11:48 AM, Jeff Fischer wrote: Speaks to me of the importance of values and integrity. Or as a friend who is an Orthodox Kabbalist pointed out, in order for a Jewish mystic to attain Union with God, one has to maintain strict purity and observance of the Mitzvah--essentially to the point of becoming an angel on earth. Then rather than ascending the Tree of Life by the middle, balanced path, or tracing the emanations of G_d back to their source, they the simply rise to G_d through the right pillar of the Tree of Life, which is the pillar of righteousness. Pretty amazing. That's how refined their purity becomes. Angels are a good thing to have around ;-). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Holland Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/5/05 10:10 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote My dirty little secret is that, for me, it's MORE than brief moments: I wish I had the capacity to believe as TM Acolytes do all the time, and unthinkingly be devoted to the craziness of the TMO. LIfe would be a hell of alot easier. Would it? I don't see too many of them living easy lives. I am totally envious of my friends on Purusha who do their program unquestioningly. I wish I didn't have my discomfort about MMY. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Holland Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: znipp The interesting thing again is that it not only looks possible, but is positively attractive to underwriters and investors. And how many have signed up, and committed real funds? I wish them the best, but things seem a pie-in-the-sky, pipe- dream thinking at this point. So was Little Boy until Hungarian[!] Leo Szilard convinced Einstein that neutrons can be used to make atomic nuclei unsteady, intsead of alfa particles, or was it? (Strange, one of the main developers of H-bomb, Edward Teller, was also Hungarian. He did it together with a Polish mathematician, Stanislaw Ulam.) So you are saying the TMO needs a Hungarian Raja and flying teams to make this scheme work? :) No, as I'm a stupid ass, and my native language belongs to the same Uralic group of languages as Hungarian, I say that the world needs the mythological Finnish hero of the Kalevala, Maha-raaja (Belly-limb) Vainamoinen, to return. He in effect promised that after he was, as a representative of the native shamanic religion, expelled by G-sus, and forced to sail to the Wild West. MR Vainamoinen was, I seem to recall, an accomplished Shamanic Flyer, and stuff. In addition, he was horny after Ms. Aino... http://www.schneeland.com/kuvat/taide/aino.jpg To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Holland Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am totally envious of my friends on Purusha who do their program unquestioningly. I wish I didn't have my discomfort about MMY. I understand that sentiment. But to thine own self (and own observation) be true. Nothing else works, IMO. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Holland Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] No, as I'm a stupid ass, and my native language belongs to the same Uralic group of languages as Hungarian, I say that the world needs the mythological Finnish hero of the Kalevala, Maha-raaja (Belly-limb) Vainamoinen, to return. He in effect promised that after he was, as a representative of the native shamanic religion, expelled by G-sus, and forced to sail to the Wild West. MR Vainamoinen was, I seem to recall, an accomplished Shamanic Flyer, and stuff. In addition, he was horny after Ms. Aino... http://www.schneeland.com/kuvat/taide/aino.jpg The Swedish in me agrees. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Donate money for Pizza Palaces
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I have found some people just have books inside them waiting to be written. I believe you are one of them. Particularly because you have rich outer knowledge of cooking, rich inner knowledge of gods, goddessses, and demons, and the ability to write about both in an entertaining and coherent way. We should all be so fortunate. Just don't quit your day job and best of luck! Doesn't have to be long and comprehensive; a dozen or two recipes would be enough. Part of the package could be lively illustrations, both of the gods/goddesses/demons and of the food. Could be elaborate and beautiful, or humorous cartoon- style, or both. Llundrub himself could be in them, preparing the food and offering it to the deities. Do a couple sample recipes with commentary first, make an outline of the rest, then write a book proposal to send around to agents and/or publishers. You could even self-publish if you could get the funds; or try pitching to some of the small, independent publishers that are sprouting like weeds these days. They love unusual niche-type books. You sound like a writer or editor in your day job Judy. I am close to that world, developing and managing training programs- currently instructional design consutant. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Holland Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/5/05 10:10 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote My dirty little secret is that, for me, it's MORE than brief moments: I wish I had the capacity to believe as TM Acolytes do all the time, and unthinkingly be devoted to the craziness of the TMO. LIfe would be a hell of alot easier. Would it? I don't see too many of them living easy lives. Define easy lives. What makes life easy, your circumstances, or your attitude toward/experience of those circumstances? If I may, I'm going to repost some things I said on alt.m.t a couple of years ago that may be germane in this context. (I've edited them slightly for length and relevance.) The first post was in response to a comment from TMer Tom Pall. -- Tom Pall wrote: snip I have reported experiences on this newsgroup wherein I feel that MMY and I are on the same level. When I look out over the landscape, everything MMY does and says makes perfect sense. It's sort of a Vedic version of Mr. Roger's Neighborhood where there is no muck and mire. Time both exists and doesn't exist. And each of MMY's creations make sense. It's a make your own reality world. A king wearing a funny hat and ministers of everything make as much sense as being really into one of Shakespeare's plays where the language, allusions and ideas all make total sense and are as real as anything can be real. Even more real than that, as there's the Absolute driving it, just as there are universal archetypes and/or the shared Human Experience driving Shakespeare's play.. That's really well put. Back in 1995, I spent the summer at the TM facility in Asbury Park, New Jersey. It was a big, fancy hotel that housed national and international staff and an MA-V clinic; it served as an RR stop for movement folk from all over the world, including Jyotishis and vaidyas and Gandharva Veda musicians and TM-Sidhis administrators. Residence courses and complete TM-Sidhis courses, including the flying block, were held there. There was also a contingent of Purusha in residence. It was really a cross-section of the entire movement at the time. The facility was also a working hotel, movement run but catering to non-TMers, at the same time. But they didn't have as many paying guests as they would have liked, so they had a special deal where TMers could rent suites on a monthly basis for an extremely reasonable fee and carry on their normal lives. I thought it would be neat to have a sort of working vacation on the Jersey shore for the summer (the hotel was right on the beach, and I got a suite with a full ocean view) and have the opportunity to do group program on a regular basis, while I was doing my regular editing work. So I had the unusual experience of living right smack in the middle of the movement without actually being a part of it. I socialized at meals and during off-hours with all the movement folks, including a number of old-time TM governors, who would frequently hold forth about the early days of the movement and who loved to talk about Maharishi and explain why he did what he did. Anyway, there were times during that summer when I had a very similar experience to what Tom describes: everything about the movement made perfect sense. (It wasn't an experience of higher consciousness, as Tom's seems to have been, though, at least it didn't feel like that at all.) It also became obvious during these experiences that the real world was nuts, completely out of kilter. But then because in the course of my work and other activities of my normal life I would have frequent contact with the real world, I'd get pulled out of that perspective, and all of a sudden the real world would look completely rational and the movement would look nuts and out of kilter, just as it always had before. I shuttled back and forth between these two perspectives all summer. It was truly weird; there was absolutely no way to reconcile them. Whichever one I was immersed in, the other was utterly, hopelessly incompatible. When I was in movement mode, I would occasionally contemplate committing myself to the movement. But I realized I'd have to completely give up the real world mindset; I couldn't keep one foot in the real world and one foot in the movement. The rules were just too different. In the end, obviously, I went back to the real world. I don't regret making that choice for a second, but to this day I genuinely don't know whether the movement mode I got into was some kind of pathological delusion, or an alternate reality that was entirely legitimate and supremely sane on its own terms. - Then later
[FairfieldLife] Re: Donate money for Pizza Palaces
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You sound like a writer or editor in your day job Judy. I am close to that world, developing and managing training programs- currently instructional design consutant. That's actually what I'm doing a lot of right now, too. I write manuals and develop training materials for high-end AI products. Small world. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Holland Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am totally envious of my friends on Purusha who do their program unquestioningly. I wish I didn't have my discomfort about MMY. I understand that sentiment. But to thine own self (and own observation) be true. Nothing else works, IMO. Yup. That's the key. Otherwise a lot of confusion results. See if you can just sit quietly and let go of Maharishi. If you can, then later after all of the impressions have cleared away, you will have complete freedom to accept or reject any part of his teachings. Very liberating. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Random subject heading (was Re: unrelated subject)
I think that what happened was Maharishi was smarter and a better yogi then most people surrounding GD but he was barred from taking Sannyas by caste. He vowed to outdo all the Sannyasins at their own game. He would have been a brahmachari when he served GD, but wasn't technically having to remain one since he never was a Sannyasin. Therefore he is a chameleon, doing just what he had to to maintain appearances so as to sell the West, who don't reallly know the truth of these things. - Original Message - From: Patrick Gillam To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 8:42 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Random subject heading (was Re: unrelated subject) Maharishi's absence of celibacy vows may absolve him of accusations of hypocrisy, but it makes one wonder why he asked people in his organization to abstain from sex. The most unsavory explanation is that he did it to wield power over them. The best case scenario, I suppose, is that for those people at that time, celibacy was a good thing.Maybe Rick can find time to poll people who abstainedto get their perspectives on the experience.- Patrick GillamP.S. I've only been following these discussions with one eye, but it's fascinating to see how we read meanings into things. It's a theme this group has come back to again and again.--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -An old BBC interview with Maharishi, where he discusses his vow of celibacy and on being a monk.http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/audiointerviews/profilepages/maharishi1. shtml Interesting, and thanks for posting this link, but he doesn't actually mention celibacy in the segment. He speaks in general terms in answer to the interviewer's question, in terms of "restraining from the worldly joys of life." He doesn't even speak of *vows* in this clip, merely that he "came out of that world" that believed that to lead a spiritual life, one must renounce the world. He says that he renounced the world. But *then* he goes on to say that what he *learned* was that it *wasn't* necessary to renounce the world to lead a spiritual life. "I had the idea that I must renounce the world in order to be really a spiritual man, a yogi. But what I found out was that spiritual life was not dependent on the renun- ciation of the material world." So if one were looking for it, one could see in this clip a *rejection* of the idea of renouncing the world, rather than a claim to still be living that life. All his references in this clip to "renouncing the world" are in the past tense. So I reiterate -- has anyone *ever* heard Maharishi claim to be celibate? Or has everyone merely *assumed* he was all this time? Unc P.S. In retrospect, don't you find it fascinating that what you read into this clip was, according to the Subject line, "Maharishi speaking of his vow of celibacy?" He never mentioned celibacy, he never mentioned "vows," and he actually *rejected* the idea of having to renounce the world to be spiritual. My original point was that one hears what one wants to hear. I rest my case. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Donate money for Pizza Palaces
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip You could even self-publish if you could get the funds; or try pitching to some of the small, independent publishers that are sprouting like weeds these days. They love unusual niche-type books. You sound like a writer or editor in your day job Judy. Freelance editor. I don't have anything directly to do with getting stuff published, other than to whip the writing into shape, but I've picked up some of what's involved over the years. I am close to that world, developing and managing training programs- currently instructional design consutant. Computer-based training? My sister was the editor of a trade publication for CBT some years ago. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Donate money for Pizza Palaces
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You sound like a writer or editor in your day job Judy. I am close to that world, developing and managing training programs- currently instructional design consutant. That's actually what I'm doing a lot of right now, too. I write manuals and develop training materials for high-end AI products. Small world. Cool! I'll bet there are some interesting parameter categories and settings on that AI interface! I find myself always in the networking and security space (despite attempts to work in other high tech areas...). Yes, I don't know what else I would do. I really enjoy being the interface between the products, the audience, and the learning experience. Bringing it all together successfully. What fun! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Donate money for Peace Palaces
If you have already inaugurated the Age of Enlightenment (30 years ago), Heaven on Earth (20 years ago), and neither of these are exactly what one would expect, and now Sat Yuga is inaugurated with no noticeable changes (as yet anyway), what is left to inaugurate.??. Has MMY given any indication when we will "see" Sat Yuga, other than the usual "soon"?Many of you don't really get it. Sat Yuga has always been here within, but the uncovering of it to our own senses is what was not. Maharishi has tried to make the anticipation a key to awakening but most just cannot see or hear the reality. Obviously those who do see or hear the reality are the greatest of believers while the rest will always remain doubtful. Myself, I practice Dzogchen.I don't need the dualistic inspiration to get it. But others, hey, they were brought up in the heaven or hell, god versus the devil dualism and so they cannot make the advaita connection without some dualistic push from above, or from the right, or from behind, as it were. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Donate money for Pizza Palaces
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip You could even self-publish if you could get the funds; or try pitching to some of the small, independent publishers that are sprouting like weeds these days. They love unusual niche-type books. You sound like a writer or editor in your day job Judy. Freelance editor. I don't have anything directly to do with getting stuff published, other than to whip the writing into shape, but I've picked up some of what's involved over the years. Ha! I knew it! Editor was going to be my first choice... I am close to that world, developing and managing training programs- currently instructional design consutant. Computer-based training? My sister was the editor of a trade publication for CBT some years ago. Yeah, all of it, all interfaces and methods. Matching business need to training method to audience to content to timeframe, blah, blah, blah- Love it! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Holland Report
...and I would add to this last paragraph of Tantra's that that is the path of the TM Program. What goes on with the TMO is NOT the TM Program...It's safe the say the whole TMO has gone off the program. Staying up all hours, flying outside in the moonlight, talking during sutra practice (Welcome Sat You) hearty moodmaking. Focusing on negativity It has become like Anti-TMO. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Holland Report
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am totally envious of my friends on Purusha who do their program unquestioningly. I wish I didn't have my discomfort about MMY. I understand that sentiment. But to thine own self (and own observation) be true. Nothing else works, IMO. Yup. That's the key. Otherwise a lot of confusion results. See if you can just sit quietly and let go of Maharishi. If you can, then later after all of the impressions have cleared away, you will have complete freedom to accept or reject any part of his teachings. Very liberating. Thanks to both of the above posters...suggestions that I will readily attempt to take to heart. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Donate money for Pizza Palaces
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You sound like a writer or editor in your day job Judy. I am close to that world, developing and managing training programs- currently instructional design consutant. That's actually what I'm doing a lot of right now, too. I write manuals and develop training materials for high-end AI products. Small world. Do you do editing, Tantra? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Donate money for Pizza Palaces
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cool! I'll bet there are some interesting parameter categories and settings on that AI interface! I find myself always in the networking and security space (despite attempts to work in other high tech areas...). Yes, I don't know what else I would do. I really enjoy being the interface between the products, the audience, and the learning experience. Bringing it all together successfully. What fun! Yup. In the past I've been fortunate enough to have a few gigs where I got to do *everything* myself -- gather the requirements, design the application, build the application, test it, write the documentation, write the training, and deliver it. Great fun. These days I work on making other people's very compli- cated products easier to understand. And use. Fortunately, the company I work for is open enough to suggestions from the Doc people that if I have suggestions for how to improve the interfaces, they usually implement them rather than get all offended. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Question about Hindu Temple
Make a sweet rice dessert. Kheer, with saffron, and they'll love you. - Original Message - From: Ingegerd To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 11:36 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Question about Hindu Temple I am going to a Hindu Temple Tuesday. The priests is doing pujas, and I wonder - Is it something I should be aware of when I go to that Temple as a woman. Should I bring something - flowers or what?Do somebody know something about that subject?Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Donate money for Pizza Palaces
Just don't quit your day job and best of luck!OK, see you later ;) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Donate money for Pizza Palaces
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's actually what I'm doing a lot of right now, too. I write manuals and develop training materials for high-end AI products. Small world. Do you do editing, Tantra? Only on my own writing and peer reviews of my coworkers. Don't like it as much as I like writing. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Donate money for Pizza Palaces
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip I am close to that world, developing and managing training programs- currently instructional design consutant. Computer-based training? My sister was the editor of a trade publication for CBT some years ago. Yeah, all of it, all interfaces and methods. Matching business need to training method to audience to content to timeframe, blah, blah, blah- Love it! Sort of like an ueber-teacher, or meta-teacher, sounds like. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Donate money for Peace Palaces
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you have already inaugurated the Age of Enlightenment (30 years ago), Heaven on Earth (20 years ago), and neither of these are exactly what one would expect, and now Sat Yuga is inaugurated with no noticeable changes (as yet anyway), what is left to inaugurate.??. Has MMY given any indication when we will see Sat Yuga, other than the usual soon? Many of you don't really get it. Sat Yuga has always been here within, but the uncovering of it to our own senses is what was not. Very insightful. Maharishi has tried to make the anticipation a key to awakening but most just cannot see or hear the reality. ...or taste, touch, or smell the reality also. Obviously those who do see or hear the reality are the greatest of believers while the rest will always remain doubtful. Myself, I practice Dzogchen.I don't need the dualistic inspiration to get it. But others, hey, they were brought up in the heaven or hell, god versus the devil dualism and so they cannot make the advaita connection without some dualistic push from above, or from the right, or from behind, as it were. I am curious- How is unfoldment with Dzogchen non-dual? Not a trick question, I am interested in how the process is explained to be non- dual, i'e. no perceived movement from 'here' to 'there' during unfoldment. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Donate money for Pizza Palaces
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip I am close to that world, developing and managing training programs- currently instructional design consutant. Computer-based training? My sister was the editor of a trade publication for CBT some years ago. Yeah, all of it, all interfaces and methods. Matching business need to training method to audience to content to timeframe, blah, blah, blah- Love it! Sort of like an ueber-teacher, or meta-teacher, sounds like. Yes, and on the other hand, the combination of this profession with TM leads to a lot of 'infinite correlation', which makes my use of language overly creative sometimes in my non-work life; making up my own language frequently, skewing syntax, using words as other than commonly intended, imprecise use of words within meaningful context, etc. Lots of puzzles and stretching of the language. It is just too much fun!! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question about Hindu Temple
And what is kheer A recipe, please!! Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Make a sweet rice dessert. Kheer, with saffron, and they'll love you. - Original Message - From: Ingegerd To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 11:36 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Question about Hindu Temple I am going to a Hindu Temple Tuesday. The priests is doing pujas, and I wonder - Is it something I should be aware of when I go to that Temple as a woman. Should I bring something - flowers or what? Do somebody know something about that subject? Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group FairfieldLife on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Sorry. Had to post it
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[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch
David Lynch has launched a Foundation for Consciousness-Based Education. You can GOOGLE about 700 articles about it. I heard about it from my sister in Switzerland who found one in her local newspaper in French. Check out the MSNBC.COM interview, for one. (Too bad he started smoking again, but otherwise good news... maybe worth a donation.) Surang To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Donate money for Pizza Palaces
If you get into color photos it would get expensive, so you would need a publisher. My wife does book cover design: http://www.book-cover-design.com Rick Archer SearchSummit 1108 South B Street Fairfield, IA 52556 641-472-9336 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://searchsummit.com -Original Message- From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of authfriend Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 12:28 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Donate money for Pizza Palaces --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I have found some people just have books inside them waiting to be written. I believe you are one of them. Particularly because you have rich outer knowledge of cooking, rich inner knowledge of gods, goddessses, and demons, and the ability to write about both in an entertaining and coherent way. We should all be so fortunate. Just don't quit your day job and best of luck! Doesn't have to be long and comprehensive; a dozen or two recipes would be enough. Part of the package could be lively illustrations, both of the gods/goddesses/demons and of the food. Could be elaborate and beautiful, or humorous cartoon- style, or both. Llundrub himself could be in them, preparing the food and offering it to the deities. Do a couple sample recipes with commentary first, make an outline of the rest, then write a book proposal to send around to agents and/or publishers. You could even self-publish if you could get the funds; or try pitching to some of the small, independent publishers that are sprouting like weeds these days. They love unusual niche-type books. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.9/62 - Release Date: 8/2/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.9/62 - Release Date: 8/2/2005 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Question about Hindu Temple
In a message dated 8/5/05 1:34:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Make a sweet rice dessert. Kheer, with saffron, and they'll love you. Depends on how Brahmin your Brahmins are. Some wouldn't be caught dead eating something a non Brahmin cooked. It's always safe to bring flowers, fruits, coconuts and some money. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
