[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment University
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It has nothing to do with rules per se but those activities that will support enlightened activity and realization. The vows are there for a reason, they are not just arbitrary. We might not like the gaudy sign that says don't touch, high voltage, but it is there for a reason. I mean ultimately if you cannot perceive your consort as pure vision, i.e. as the Deity, the result is NOT going to be enlightenment. If you are a monk and cause others to fall from their path, that can have negative consequences as well. Welcome to high voltage cause--effect. :-) And welcome to being limited by what you choose to believe. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing With, At and At/With
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OTOT, a working set of hypotheses of a persons moods and intentions may help one be more sesnsitive. For example, thinking, It sounds like he MAY be mad at something. Just in case, I will be careful not to use ambiguous language, or jokes that might be misinterprested. It sounds like the person who wrote this is attached to being interpreted the way he wants to be interpreted. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing With, At and At/With
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll try again, briefly. To laugh *at* someone is, virtually by definition, an attack. Confirming that one is laughing *at* somebody is therefore equivalent to stating one's intention, so no minds need to be read. Please note that in this instance neither Lawson nor myself was the target of the attack; we were commenting on the hypocrisy of the attacker claiming it *wasn't* an attack on the person being attacked. (The attacker, needless to say, went on to attack both of us, not even under the guise of laughing at us; and among other absurdities, pretended that we were somehow threatened when we hadn't been the targets in the first place.) And all of this because I found something that Anon said so funny that I laughed out loud about it, and said so. What I found so funny was the glorification of the intellect by someone stuck in the intellect. And so, as it turned out, who on FFL chose to turn my laughter into a big battle? The other members of FFL who are classically stuck in the intellect, so much so that they consistently attempt to present being stuck in the intellect as a pathway to enlightenment, that's who. The whole scene really *IS* pretty funny, IMO. :-) I don't know about anyone else, but the thing that *I* have learned from all of this is that for some people the idea of being laughed at is so painful and so scary that it *always* feels like an attack to them. That's essentially very, very sad, because it implies that for these people, laughing at one's *self* is probably equally scary. Because being able to laugh at one's self is, in my experience, essential to the process of discarding it (realizing the Self), I have come to the conclusion that the people who consistently act like this have made a conscious choice to *not* realize enlightenment in this lifetime. They're that afraid of losing the self. And because anyone who *has* glimpsed the Self and spent some time free from self realizes how silly this fear is, they will laugh at the people who fear losing the self even more, which in turn will make them even crazier than they are now. It's ALL very funny, in a weird sort of way. The laughter is going to win. The clinging to self is going to lose. That's just the way the world works. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing With, At and At/With
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But, why bother with what often/usually is perceived as an attack, and then criticize for saying that's an attack? I don't believe I have. Others have been involved in the laugh-attack debate. I have not said anyone was attacking. Including barry. I have said, 'hey guys, lets focus on substance.' Dude, why don't you try being honest with yourself for once. What you *meant* by Let's focus on substance was Let's all talk about what *I* want to talk about, in the pseudointellectual way I like to talk about such things. Anything else is off-topic. It's your whole act here. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Repulsive gravito-photons!?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing With, At and At/With
Spare egg writes: Of course, Barry has never denied his intent to laugh AT people. Rather he has embraced and defended it. Seems a not very difficult job of mind-reading to assume something, comment on that assumption, and get CONFIRMATION of that assumption and therefore to continue to assume that one's original assumption was correct. TOm T: Of course one needs to be aware of the true definition of Assume. As I remember the statement goes, When we use that word it makes an ass out of me. Thanks for another old forgotten joke. Ha Tom T Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing With, At and At/Wit
TorquiseB writes: snipped It's ALL very funny, in a weird sort of way. The laughter is going to win. The clinging to self is going to lose. That's just the way the world works. Tom T: Of course and that is the real joke. No laughing at them, laughing at the clinging to the idea that can not be upheld. Like trying to hang on to a teflon coated pig. Ain't going to happen. Tom T Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing With, At and At/With
Akashanon writes: I have said, 'hey guys, lets focus on substance.' TorquiseB writes: Dude, why don't you try being honest with yourself for once. What you *meant* by Let's focus on substance was Let's all talk about what *I* want to talk about, in the pseudointellectual way I like to talk about such things. Anything else is off-topic. It's your whole act here. Tom T: That is why he is so careful in his self appointed role as the Dogma/thought patrol. Wouldn't want anyone here to have any substantive opportunity to discuss and share experiences. Must clear it with the Dogma patrol and get the blessing of substance that only the intellect can understand. Anyone who deviates from that script and role playing must certainly be OTP and subject to intense scrutiny on a word by word basis for error and wrong thinking. Must keep that thinking in a very narrow path. Must Must Must. Should should should. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment University
On Jan 12, 2006, at 9:50 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote: I mean ultimately if you cannot perceive your consort as pure vision, i.e. as the Deity, the result is NOT going to be enlightenment. Vaj, I'm going to have to ask you to elaborate on this a bit. I can see how seeing one's lover as the Deity would indicate a lofty level of awareness, but I don't see how having sex without that vision would affect one's awakening either way. Without breaking any vows I think it's safe to say that since you need to perfect the generation stage before perfecting a completion stage practice, like consort practice. One should have perfected their generation stage practice which means the seed, the bija, has become the tree and one can see the world as emptiness-as-form: pure appearance. If you cannot or do not, both of you, what are you discriminating in the practice? The idea is to discriminate the finest Clear Light: Wisdom discriminating Emptiness in a way virutally impossible to discriminate in any other manner. That will bring you to full Buddhahood very quickly. So what if, as you suggest, it is done from the POV of non-Wisdom trying to look at emptiness? You would have a different result which would not be Buddhahood.Some people are suggesting that in order for a monk to do this practice, s/he should be a Stream Enterer, that is s/he should be established in the first permanent realization stage--that way there can be no "fall". It does appear one of the lamas who responded to GMR's rather public announcement mentioned the criteria for the practice and it was mentioned that such a student would be asked by his guru to perform certain specific siddhis, e.g. a magical display, to demonstrate that the stage is actually present. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment University
On Jan 13, 2006, at 3:15 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It has nothing to do with rules per se but those activities that will support enlightened activity and realization. The vows are there for a reason, they are not just arbitrary. We might not like the gaudy sign that says "don't touch, high voltage", but it is there for a reason. I mean ultimately if you cannot perceive your consort as pure vision, i.e. as the Deity, the result is NOT going to be enlightenment. If you are a monk and cause others to fall from their path, that can have negative consequences as well. Welcome to high voltage cause--effect. :-) And welcome to being limited by what you choose to believe. :-) IME the vows represent a transcendental morality, that is they reflect important elements that can help or hinder realization which are not obvious "on the surface". That's the only reason they are of any value. They really are specific to the practice we're talking about and if one has questions, one should ask their teacher. They'd be glad to explain why this is so and give examples. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing With, At and At/Wit
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TorquiseB writes: snipped It's ALL very funny, in a weird sort of way. The laughter is going to win. The clinging to self is going to lose. That's just the way the world works. Tom T: Of course and that is the real joke. No laughing at them, laughing at the clinging to the idea that can not be upheld. That's it, exactly. Like trying to hang on to a teflon coated pig. Ain't going to happen. Tom T But they keep trying, don't they. Sometimes reading the machinations of those on this forum who are desperately trying to cling to self is like watching the greased-pig contest at a county fair. Part of you wonders why anyone would ever *do* that sorta thing, but at the same time another part cannot help but find it hilarious and laugh at it. And then the laughing makes the contestants in the greased pig contest feel even more...uh...oinxious and uptight and threatened, and their uptightness over such a silly thing that makes the whole greased pig contest even *more* hilarious, so you laugh at it even more. It's tough to break out of the cycle of laughter/uptight- ness/laughter unless one or more of the laughees actually makes a breakthrough and starts to laugh along *with* the laughers... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment University
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Welcome to high voltage cause--effect. :-) And welcome to being limited by what you choose to believe. :-) IME the vows represent a transcendental morality, that is they reflect important elements that can help or hinder realization which are not obvious on the surface. That's the only reason they are of any value. They really are specific to the practice we're talking about and if one has questions, one should ask their teacher. They'd be glad to explain why this is so and give examples. In other words, they'd be happy to reinforce the beliefs that they implanted in the students in the first place. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment University
On Jan 13, 2006, at 8:02 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Welcome to high voltage cause--effect. :-) And welcome to being limited by what you choose to believe. :-) IME the vows represent a transcendental morality, that is they reflect important elements that can help or hinder realization which are not obvious "on the surface". That's the only reason they are of any value. They really are specific to the practice we're talking about and if one has questions, one should ask their teacher. They'd be glad to explain why this is so and give examples. In other words, they'd be happy to reinforce the beliefs that they implanted in the students in the first place. :-) At a certain point, the reasons they're there become obvious. Thus the tantric saying " to ascend with the Conduct while descending with the View". To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Vedic Creationists
Unattributed. From another list.WHAT are the Vedic creationists saying? They deny that different species of living beings, including humans, have evolved, or risen up, from simpler organisms, as Darwin claims. Instead, they claim that all species, including humans, have "devolved", or come down, from a highly evolved, super-intelligent being, which is pure consciousness itself. Different species of plants and animals are simply material forms adopted by pure consciousness, or Atman, as it transmigrates in endless cycles of births and rebirths over billions and billions of years. Spiritual growth is the driving force of evolution: higher species emerge when Atman trapped in all matter takes on a higher (more "subtle" and sattvic) life-form as a result of good karma, and lower species result when Atman "forgets" its purity and indulges in "gross desires". Vedic creationists claim to derive this picture from the "Vedas", in which they include the Puranas as well, especially the Bhagvat Purana. Here it must be added that theories of spiritual or "integral" evolution have been proposed before, notably by Sri Aurobindo and Madame Blavatsky, the founder of theosophy. But the Hare Krishnas are the first to support their theory with "scientific" data - if data from psychics and UFO sightings can be called scientific. Like all fundamentalists, Vedic creationists take the Bhagvat Purana, along with the Bhagvad Gita, the Mahabharata and the Ramayana, to be literally true. They then proceed to use the "facts" described in these sacred texts to condemn Darwin and all of materialist science. For example, Cremo and Thompson accept the notion of the "day of Brahma" lasting some 4.32 billion years as literally true. They also accept as fact the idea that the "current day of Brahma" began two billion (2,000, 000, 000) years ago. A literal reading of the Ramayana convinces them that humans and monkey-like hominoid creatures coexisted. Putting the two ideas together, they come up with the fantastic notion that the ancestors of modern human beings have existed for two billion years. They want us to believe that human beings walked the earth at a time when fossil records show that only bacteria existed on the earth. This completely contradicts the best scientific evidence from fossil records and radiocarbon dating that show that the ancestors of modern human beings only appeared around 200,000 to 100,000 years ago: that is, after the appearance of fish, amphibians, and reptiles and other mammals and hominoid species, from which humans have evolved. Vedic creationists set aside all this evidence as a mere social construct of Western archaeologists and palaeontologists who, they say, have been brainwashed by an atheistic, materialistic worldview. Once you remove the "knowledge filter" of Western-Christian materialism, they tell us, "spiritual sciences" will become dominant again, just as they used to be before the "reductionist" science of the West banished the gods from nature. ON the face of it, Vedic creationism with its longer time spans looks more "scientific" than the old-fashioned Bible literalists who insist that the earth is only 6,000 years old. But what the two creationists share is the belief - entirely unfounded on verifiable facts - that human beings have been around since the beginning of life, and that they have not descended from the apes. (In fact, A.C. Prabhupada, the founder of ISKCON, used to describe Darwinians as "rascals" and "fools" for believing in such "nonsense" as the evolution of humans from apes. Prabhupada's spirit lives on in Vedic creationism.) The shared ground extends into the more "advanced" I.D. as well. Proponents of I.D. bring in a Designer God to explain the existence of "irreducible complexity" of life, which they think cannot be explained by natural causes alone. Proponents of Vedic creationism likewise, bring in Atman because they think that the existence of consciousness cannot be explained by natural causes alone. Just like the ID-ers completely ignore the mass of studies showing how complex structures such as eyes can arise out of natural causes, Vedic creationists completely ignore the mass of studies showing that the phenomenon of consciousness can be explained by purely natural causes. In both cases, there is the same wilful neglect of scientific method and scientific evidence in order to defend a religious conception of natural order. Vedic creationism as an "ism", as a "scientific" challenge to Darwin, has been more influential in America than it is in India. But the ideas of Vedic creationism - the enormous time spans, the cyclical yugas, the day and night of Brahma, the creation of new species as a result of transmigration of the Atman - are obviously better known in India than in America. Indeed, most of what the Vedic creationists are talking about is part and parcel of a common perception held by a majority of Indians. Even well educated, scientifically trained Indians
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vedic Creationists
Full story at:http://www.flonnet.com/fl2301/stories/20060127003309700.htmOn Jan 13, 2006, at 8:20 AM, Vaj wrote: Unattributed. From another list.WHAT are the Vedic creationists saying? They deny that different species of living beings, including humans, have evolved, or risen up, from simpler organisms, as Darwin claims. Instead, they claim that all species, including humans, have "devolved", or come down, from a highly evolved, super-intelligent being, which is pure consciousness itself. Different species of plants and animals are simply material forms adopted by pure consciousness, or Atman, as it transmigrates in endless cycles of births and rebirths over billions and billions of years. Spiritual growth is the driving force of evolution: higher species emerge when Atman trapped in all matter takes on a higher (more "subtle" and sattvic) life-form as a result of good karma, and lower species result when Atman "forgets" its purity and indulges in "gross desires". Vedic creationists claim to derive this picture from the "Vedas", in which they include the Puranas as well, especially the Bhagvat Purana. Here it must be added that theories of spiritual or "integral" evolution have been proposed before, notably by Sri Aurobindo and Madame Blavatsky, the founder of theosophy. But the Hare Krishnas are the first to support their theory with "scientific" data - if data from psychics and UFO sightings can be called scientific. Like all fundamentalists, Vedic creationists take the Bhagvat Purana, along with the Bhagvad Gita, the Mahabharata and the Ramayana, to be literally true. They then proceed to use the "facts" described in these sacred texts to condemn Darwin and all of materialist science. For example, Cremo and Thompson accept the notion of the "day of Brahma" lasting some 4.32 billion years as literally true. They also accept as fact the idea that the "current day of Brahma" began two billion (2,000, 000, 000) years ago. A literal reading of the Ramayana convinces them that humans and monkey-like hominoid creatures coexisted. Putting the two ideas together, they come up with the fantastic notion that the ancestors of modern human beings have existed for two billion years. They want us to believe that human beings walked the earth at a time when fossil records show that only bacteria existed on the earth. This completely contradicts the best scientific evidence from fossil records and radiocarbon dating that show that the ancestors of modern human beings only appeared around 200,000 to 100,000 years ago: that is, after the appearance of fish, amphibians, and reptiles and other mammals and hominoid species, from which humans have evolved. Vedic creationists set aside all this evidence as a mere social construct of Western archaeologists and palaeontologists who, they say, have been brainwashed by an atheistic, materialistic worldview. Once you remove the "knowledge filter" of Western-Christian materialism, they tell us, "spiritual sciences" will become dominant again, just as they used to be before the "reductionist" science of the West banished the gods from nature. ON the face of it, Vedic creationism with its longer time spans looks more "scientific" than the old-fashioned Bible literalists who insist that the earth is only 6,000 years old. But what the two creationists share is the belief - entirely unfounded on verifiable facts - that human beings have been around since the beginning of life, and that they have not descended from the apes. (In fact, A.C. Prabhupada, the founder of ISKCON, used to describe Darwinians as "rascals" and "fools" for believing in such "nonsense" as the evolution of humans from apes. Prabhupada's spirit lives on in Vedic creationism.) The shared ground extends into the more "advanced" I.D. as well. Proponents of I.D. bring in a Designer God to explain the existence of "irreducible complexity" of life, which they think cannot be explained by natural causes alone. Proponents of Vedic creationism likewise, bring in Atman because they think that the existence of consciousness cannot be explained by natural causes alone. Just like the ID-ers completely ignore the mass of studies showing how complex structures such as eyes can arise out of natural causes, Vedic creationists completely ignore the mass of studies showing that the phenomenon of consciousness can be explained by purely natural causes. In both cases, there is the same wilful neglect of scientific method and scientific evidence in order to defend a religious conception of natural order. Vedic creationism as an "ism", as a "scientific" challenge to Darwin, has been more influential in America than it is in India. But the ideas of Vedic creationism - the enormous time spans, the cyclical yugas, the day and night of Brahma, the creation of new species as a result of transmigration of the Atman - are obviously better known in India than in America. Indeed, most of what the Vedic creationists are talking about is part and
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment University
--- Vaj wrote: Vaj wrote: I mean ultimately if you cannot perceive your consort as pure vision, i.e. as the Deity, the result is NOT going to be enlightenment. Without breaking any vows I think it's safe to say that since you need to perfect the generation stage before perfecting a completion stage practice, like consort practice. Oh, I think I understand. I had missed the notion that this fellow had taken a consort as part of his spiritual path -- that the sex was for awakening, as opposed to being for all the other joys of sex. I can see how such a path may entail some prerequisites. So, is the controversy centered on the monk's claims to a certain level of spiritual development? I had taken it as more of an old-fashioned teacher-consorting-with-student controversy. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] This explains so much (was Re: Ego in Enlightenment)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. Is having an ellipsis hurled at you an attack? No, but having a closed parenthesis followed by an asterisk followed by an open parenthesis is. You must read a great deal into such a thing... Do I have to? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment University
On Jan 13, 2006, at 8:37 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote:--- Vaj wrote: Vaj wrote: I mean ultimately if you cannot perceive your consort as pure vision, i.e. as the Deity, the result is NOT going to be enlightenment. Without breaking any vows I think it's safe to say that since you need to perfect the generation stage before perfecting a completion stage practice, like consort practice. Oh, I think I understand. I had missed the notion that this fellow had taken a consort as part of his spiritual path -- that the sex was for awakening, as opposed to being for all the other joys of sex. I can see how such a path may entail some prerequisites. So, is the controversy centered on the monk's claims to a certain level of spiritual development? I had taken it as more of an old-fashioned teacher-consorting-with-student controversy. That's definitely part of it because typically you would not make such a public announcement. He also announced that those receiving transmission from him should receive transmission from his four "ladies" (dakinis or shaktis).Here's a recent account from a student at Diamond Mountain, please remember this is just one opinion (from another POV his actions could be historically significant and incredibly important), the whole thread is quite interesting and can be found at:http://www.lioncity.net/buddhism/index.php?s=e8ff8de44938123438680c315a60e937showtopic=9832Barry might find the oblique comments on Zen Master Rama interesting.:Geshe Michael Roach doesn't seem to be content with only one consort. He has now surrounded himself with four... Lady Ora, Lady Christie, Lady Pelma and Lady Trisangma. The title "Lady" was granted by Geshe Michael himself, and in his world means "Dakini". One might be forgiven for finding it suspicious that if Geshe Michael is to surround himself with four close students who share in teaching Tantra at Diamond Mountain, that all four are women. In fact, we find it a little too much to take seriously... we mean.. what are the odds!It is also rumoured that at least some of these ladies have fallen prey to Geshe Michael's personal body parts when he has given them actual "Consort Initiation" as part of the Tantric aspect which he now roleplays.Not only this, but during the current Tantra course, in a very untraditional move, Geshe Michael insisted that any student who takes initiation from him must in fact take initiation from all four ladies as well.. even if those ladies were not his students.So, it's raining Dakinis in Geshe Michaels world, one has to question the ethicacy of the entire situation. In a closed room, during the De Lam course at Diamond Mountain in the winter of 2004, Geshe Michael again performed theatrics when he asked for all recording devices to be turned off, and the lights turned out. Then, to the 80 students present, Geshe Michael proceded to tell of his own qualifications to teach Tantra.You see, at an early age, around his 23rd year, Geshe Michael believes he realised emptiness, one of the highest spiritual attainments according to Buddhism. Geshe Michael also claims that he has met directly with, and takes teachings and initiations from Vajra Yogini, a female Buddhist deity, in person. It is Vajra Yogini who directly gives him his guidance. He claims to have first met the Goddess in his late teans or early twenties.These claims are almost never made in public by the Lamas of our lineage, for very good reasons, and the fact that they are made by Geshe Michael must make anyone slightly suspicious. During this talk, he also claimed that some of the young students present, whom he had been in retreat with, are also his Lamas. The danger of Geshe Michael's behaviour has since become apparent, as it is believed that Geshe Micheal has taken to giving actual consort initiation (involving placing his penis inside their bodies) to some of his young female students.One explanation is a serious case of spirit harm, as it is said that spirits can appear to human beings in different forms and mislead them, or perhaps the Geshe has simply lost it, and is suffering from severe mental delusion. The fact is that his teachings and outward behaviour do not coincide with that of other respected Buddhist teachers and do not fit with the Gelugpa tradition which he claims to uphold. This can only be harmful to Buddhism in general and his students in particular.It is the opinion of every Buddhist scholar to whom I have spoken, that Geshe Michael is not only inconsistent in his teachings, but the manner in which he presents one of the two major Mahayana Budddhist pholosophies, known as "emptiness", is not correct according to the generally held Prasangika Madhyamika viewpoint.The other point of contention, is that Geshe Micheal almost never teaches the other of the two major Mahayana Buddhist pholosophies, known as "Bodhicitta". This is an issue that he brushes upon occassionally, however never dwells on and does not teach in detail. It is said that
[FairfieldLife] Re: Intellect and Inquiry
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That the simple statment, the intellect is a quite useful* tool in the attainment of higher states was found so incorrect by some readers as to be hilarious, at least can't help but raise a smile. That's a topic I participated in, but it was Barry who viciously attacked you with his laughter. I only disagreed in a respectful tone. So much talk on this list, particularly by neo-advaitans or pseudo-advaitans, is about the great value of self-inquiry. What exactly is used in self-inquiry, ones big toe? What's really funny for me right now is how everything is flipped upside down and inside out. I have zero formal training in self-inquiry, and asking myself who am I used to result in nothing but frustration and an immediate shift of attention to anything else. Recently, I've been asking myself the same question, and it literally shuts down my intellect, every time. I ask the question and I immediately zone out into awareness. So, what's being used? I don't know! It seems like it starts with intellect, but the answer is utterly beyond it. Similarly, for the past 10-12 years, I couldn't tolerate more than 3-5 minutes of TM at a time. But, the other morning, I woke up at 3:30am and sat up to meditate. No mantra came to me, and I just sat there, silently witnessing the breath, which became very faint. And, 20 minutes went by in a flash. In all my years of doing TM, I *never* had as profoundly deep a meditation as that. I was all like, No no no! You don't meditate to awaken! You awaken so you can meditate! LOL!!! Alex Even the thought ABOUT the mantra is the mantra... Also, kill that Buddha dude. Look, I'm not a chubby chaser, but just because that Buddha dude is packing on some extra pounds is no reason to kill him. Who cares if the meditation was deep or not? Hell, I don't even care whether I meditate or not! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: new MAPI catalog: Raam Raj Production
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just received a catalog in the mail from MAPI. It sells organic cotton clothing and bedding and the brand is called Raam Raj clothing. In large letters onthe front cover it says: Raam Raj Production. There are no pictures of MMY anywhere, although the return address on the back lists Maharishi Ayurveda Products International in Colorado Springs. This different than the usual MAPI catalog with the herbs and vitamins and Amrit. The prices seem typical for organic cotton items, maybe a bit high - $64 for a woman's cable knit organic cotton sweater, $46 for men's pajama set, and $56 for a man' s button down poplin shirt. Everything was made in India, but the designs are simple, solid colors like a conservative, simple Land's end product. Far as i know, its legit, at least in the sense of being a TMO- affiliated thing. The clothing line has been sold in all the MAPI stores for some time. I'm curious why is this an issue? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Megabuck Homepage?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.milliondollarhomepage.com/ Yeah, this got written up in Wired and other places. It's just a Web page with a million pixels, and the owners try to convince advertisers to buy a minimum of (I think) 10 pixels clumped together in a group as ad space. The idea is that potential consumers go there and mouseover ads and wind up clicking on them and buying the product or service. Sounds like wishful thinking on the level of some of the TMO's schemes to me, but several people (the promoters of the Web pages) have already made hundreds of thousand bucks by doing this. Just mouseover the page you provided an URL to and see how many people already invested in this one. Go figure. It seems like a variant on the old chain letter scam. It works at first, but then you find that the server has no bandwidth, and the advertisers can't be bothered to sue for $1. He cannot deliver. But he'll stay rich if nobody takes him to task. Uns. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing With, At and At/With
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I believe that Barry has indicated that he believes that laughing AT is good for the person being laughed at, or something along those lines. He's even implied that he WAS attacking, but won't quite own up to it explicitly. No, it went like this: Barry attacked anon for having (as he saw it) reacted to being laughed at (by Barry) as if it were an attack, denying that laughing at a person was an attack. You and I noted that laughing *at* someone was ipso facto an attack; then Barry attacked us for saying this; *then* he made his post about laughing at people being good for them. Far from implying that he was attacking by laughing at someone, he's denied it vigorously (again, while attacking those who said laughing at was attacking). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing With, At and At/With
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll try again, briefly. To laugh *at* someone is, virtually by definition, an attack. Confirming that one is laughing *at* somebody is therefore equivalent to stating one's intention, so no minds need to be read. Please note that in this instance neither Lawson nor myself was the target of the attack; we were commenting on the hypocrisy of the attacker claiming it *wasn't* an attack on the person being attacked. (The attacker, needless to say, went on to attack both of us, not even under the guise of laughing at us; and among other absurdities, pretended that we were somehow threatened when we hadn't been the targets in the first place.) And all of this because I found something that Anon said so funny that I laughed out loud about it, and said so. What I found so funny was the glorification of the intellect by someone stuck in the intellect. Right, you attacked anon, just as we said. And so, as it turned out, who on FFL chose to turn my laughter into a big battle? Actually, you did, if you'll recall. All I did was point out that laughing at someone constituted an attack. Then you attacked me, at considerable length, for saying so, and went on to attack Lawson for agreeing with me, then posted a long diatribe in which you suggested laughing at someone was a teaching method. The other members of FFL who are classically stuck in the intellect, so much so that they consistently attempt to present being stuck in the intellect as a pathway to enlightenment, that's who. Since neither Lawson (as far as I can recall) nor I have ever suggested being stuck in the intellect is a pathway to enlightenment, it's not clear who you're referring to here. In fact, I can't think of *anyone* on this forum who has ever made such a suggestion. The whole scene really *IS* pretty funny, IMO. :-) I don't know about anyone else, but the thing that *I* have learned from all of this is that for some people the idea of being laughed at is so painful and so scary that it *always* feels like an attack to them. Laughing at someone is always an attack, virtually by definition. As I've noted several times, however, that doesn't mean that the person laughed at *feels* attacked. You're conflating the perspective of the attacker with the perspective of the target of the attack. It's entirely possible to recognize that someone has attacked you without feeling victimized by the attack, you see. That's essentially very, very sad, because it implies that for these people, laughing at one's *self* is probably equally scary. Because being able to laugh at one's self is, in my experience, essential to the process of discarding it (realizing the Self), I have come to the conclusion that the people who consistently act like this have made a conscious choice to *not* realize enlightenment in this lifetime. They're that afraid of losing the self. And because anyone who *has* glimpsed the Self and spent some time free from self realizes how silly this fear is, they will laugh at the people who fear losing the self even more, which in turn will make them even crazier than they are now. It's ALL very funny, in a weird sort of way. The laughter is going to win. The clinging to self is going to lose. That's just the way the world works. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment University
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip IME the vows represent a transcendental morality, What's a transcendental morality? Seems like a contradiction in terms, the transcendent being beyond all distinctions, at least by any definition I've ever encountered. that is they reflect important elements that can help or hinder realization which are not obvious on the surface. That's the only reason they are of any value. They really are specific to the practice we're talking about and if one has questions, one should ask their teacher. They'd be glad to explain why this is so and give examples. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing With, At and At/Wit
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TorquiseB writes: snipped It's ALL very funny, in a weird sort of way. The laughter is going to win. The clinging to self is going to lose. That's just the way the world works. Tom T: Of course and that is the real joke. No laughing at them, laughing at the clinging to the idea that can not be upheld. That's it, exactly. Like trying to hang on to a teflon coated pig. Ain't going to happen. Tom T But they keep trying, don't they. Sometimes reading the machinations of those on this forum who are desperately trying to cling to self is like watching the greased-pig contest at a county fair. Part of you wonders why anyone would ever *do* that sorta thing, but at the same time another part cannot help but find it hilarious and laugh at it. And then the laughing makes the contestants in the greased pig contest feel even more...uh...oinxious and uptight and threatened, and their uptightness over such a silly thing that makes the whole greased pig contest even *more* hilarious, so you laugh at it even more. It's tough to break out of the cycle of laughter/uptight- ness/laughter unless one or more of the laughees actually makes a breakthrough and starts to laugh along *with* the laughers... Of course, the laughees may be quietly laughing at the laughers all along, without feeling the need to make their laughter public. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing With, At and At/With
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Laughing at someone is always an attack, virtually by definition. As I've noted several times, however, that doesn't mean that the person laughed at *feels* attacked. You're conflating the perspective of the attacker with the perspective of the target of the attack. It's entirely possible to recognize that someone has attacked you without feeling victimized by the attack, you see. I love it. Judy wants to play the victim and claim that she is one while at the same time claiming that she doesn't feel like a victim. It's really difficult NOT to laugh at her... :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment University
On Jan 13, 2006, at 10:03 AM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip IME the vows represent a transcendental morality, What's a "transcendental morality"? Seems like a contradiction in terms, the transcendent being beyond all distinctions, at least by any definition I've ever encountered. A set of insights into cause-effect, often defined as rules, that emerge from transcendental or enlightened insight of reality as to causes that attenuate progress towards enlightenment or curtail establishment thereof. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing With, At and At/With
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Laughing at someone is always an attack, virtually by definition. As I've noted several times, however, that doesn't mean that the person laughed at *feels* attacked. You're conflating the perspective of the attacker with the perspective of the target of the attack. It's entirely possible to recognize that someone has attacked you without feeling victimized by the attack, you see. I love it. Judy wants to play the victim and claim that she is one Hmm, where have I claimed that I was a victim? while at the same time claiming that she doesn't feel like a victim. It's really difficult NOT to laugh at her... :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment University
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 13, 2006, at 10:03 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip IME the vows represent a transcendental morality, What's a transcendental morality? Seems like a contradiction in terms, the transcendent being beyond all distinctions, at least by any definition I've ever encountered. A set of insights into cause-effect, often defined as rules, that emerge from transcendental or enlightened insight of reality as to causes that attenuate progress towards enlightenment or curtail establishment thereof. But the insights and the morality themselves are not transcendental, right? Once anything has emerged from the transcendent, it's no longer transcendental, in other words. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing With, At and At/With
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OTOT, a working set of hypotheses of a persons moods and intentions may help one be more sesnsitive. For example, thinking, It sounds like he MAY be mad at something. Just in case, I will be careful not to use ambiguous language, or jokes that might be misinterprested. It sounds like the person who wrote this is attached to being interpreted the way he wants to be interpreted. :-) Congratulations Barry. The point of the post was trying to guess or speculate about intentions of a poster is pointless. So right out of the chute, you speculate on intentions. Incorrectly. Without basis. Thats our Barry! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment University
On Jan 13, 2006, at 10:14 AM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 13, 2006, at 10:03 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip IME the vows represent a transcendental morality, What's a "transcendental morality"? Seems like a contradiction in terms, the transcendent being beyond all distinctions, at least by any definition I've ever encountered. A set of insights into cause-effect, often defined as rules, that emerge from transcendental or enlightened insight of reality as to causes that attenuate progress towards enlightenment or curtail establishment thereof. But the insights and the morality themselves are not transcendental, right? Once anything has "emerged" from the transcendent, it's no longer transcendental, in other words. The insights are. The change in behavior (the activity implied by the "rules") supports attainment of higher states of consciousness.The higher you go, the finer the behavior--as the yogis say 'as fine as barley flour'.All religions have these. They are all based on the law of karma: actions produce results--from a Buddhist perspective until you become a "stream enterer" you are still effected by behavior. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing With, At and At/With
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll try again, briefly. To laugh *at* someone is, virtually by definition, an attack. Confirming that one is laughing *at* somebody is therefore equivalent to stating one's intention, so no minds need to be read. Please note that in this instance neither Lawson nor myself was the target of the attack; we were commenting on the hypocrisy of the attacker claiming it *wasn't* an attack on the person being attacked. (The attacker, needless to say, went on to attack both of us, not even under the guise of laughing at us; and among other absurdities, pretended that we were somehow threatened when we hadn't been the targets in the first place.) And all of this because I found something that Anon said so funny that I laughed out loud about it, and said so. What I found so funny was the glorification of the intellect by someone stuck in the intellect. And so, as it turned out, who on FFL chose to turn my laughter into a big battle? The other members of FFL who are classically stuck in the intellect, so much so that they consistently attempt to present being stuck in the intellect as a pathway to enlightenment, that's who. The whole scene really *IS* pretty funny, IMO. :-) I don't know about anyone else, but the thing that *I* have learned from all of this is that for some people the idea of being laughed at is so painful and so scary that it *always* feels like an attack to them. That's essentially very, very sad, because it implies that for these people, laughing at one's *self* is probably equally scary. Because being able to laugh at one's self is, in my experience, essential to the process of discarding it (realizing the Self), I have come to the conclusion that the people who consistently act like this have made a conscious choice to *not* realize enlightenment in this lifetime. They're that afraid of losing the self. And because anyone who *has* glimpsed the Self and spent some time free from self realizes how silly this fear is, they will laugh at the people who fear losing the self even more, which in turn will make them even crazier than they are now. It's ALL very funny, in a weird sort of way. The laughter is going to win. The clinging to self is going to lose. That's just the way the world works. Barry, Evern more baseless speculation on intentions and a posters inner world from you. You are becoming a master of vaccuous, baseless posts. I would speculate that may correspond to whats inside your head, but that would be idle specualtion. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Take a long walk off a short dock or suck eggs (you pissing skunks)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I think it its a bogus term and concept. I have no desire to become enlightened. (Think about it, desiring enlightenment is a contradiction of terms.) snip OK, well thanks for clearing that up. And as to your statements that I am making cognitive errors, that would presume that 1) my senses are faulty, or 2) my intellect is muddled, or 3) my heart is darkened. Any of the three would cause an incorrect perception of what you have expressed around this topic. Sorry chap, but if 1, 2, or 3 were the case, I wouldn't be able to fully be my Self, and like it or not, I am. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: new MAPI catalog: Raam Raj Production
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just received a catalog in the mail from MAPI. It sells organic cotton clothing and bedding and the brand is called Raam Raj clothing. In large letters onthe front cover it says: Raam Raj Production. There are no pictures of MMY anywhere, although the return address on the back lists Maharishi Ayurveda Products International in Colorado Springs. This different than the usual MAPI catalog with the herbs and vitamins and Amrit. The prices seem typical for organic cotton items, maybe a bit high - $64 for a woman's cable knit organic cotton sweater, $46 for men's pajama set, and $56 for a man' s button down poplin shirt. Everything was made in India, but the designs are simple, solid colors like a conservative, simple Land's end product. Far as i know, its legit, at least in the sense of being a TMO- affiliated thing. The clothing line has been sold in all the MAPI stores for some time. I'm curious why is this an issue? I was just surprised to see a TM-related item without pictures of MMY. Perhaps MAPI has been selling things without the photos for some time, but I never noticed if they have. Except for a small print return address spelling out Maharishi Ayurveda Products International, this catalog had no references to anything having to do with TM or any of the jargon, photos or gold embellishment that go with it. It is mainstream. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing With, At and At/With
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Akashanon writes: I have said, 'hey guys, lets focus on substance.' TorquiseB writes: Dude, why don't you try being honest with yourself for once. What you *meant* by Let's focus on substance was Let's all talk about what *I* want to talk about, in the pseudointellectual way I like to talk about such things. Anything else is off-topic. It's your whole act here. Tom T: That is why he is so careful in his self appointed role as the Dogma/thought patrol. Wouldn't want anyone here to have any substantive opportunity to discuss and share experiences. Must clear it with the Dogma patrol and get the blessing of substance that only the intellect can understand. Anyone who deviates from that script and role playing must certainly be OTP and subject to intense scrutiny on a word by word basis for error and wrong thinking. Must keep that thinking in a very narrow path. Must Must Must. Should should should. Wow, even more baseless speculation on intentions and a posters inner world not only from barry, but now from Tom. And Tom just posted that such is futile and baseless. A paradox of Brahman no doubt. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing With, At and At/Wit
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TorquiseB writes: snipped It's ALL very funny, in a weird sort of way. The laughter is going to win. The clinging to self is going to lose. That's just the way the world works. Tom T: Of course and that is the real joke. No laughing at them, laughing at the clinging to the idea that can not be upheld. That's it, exactly. Like trying to hang on to a teflon coated pig. Ain't going to happen. Tom T But they keep trying, don't they. Sometimes reading the machinations of those on this forum who are desperately trying to cling to self is like watching the greased-pig contest at a county fair. Part of you wonders why anyone would ever *do* that sorta thing, but at the same time another part cannot help but find it hilarious and laugh at it. And then the laughing makes the contestants in the greased pig contest feel even more...uh...oinxious and uptight and threatened, and their uptightness over such a silly thing that makes the whole greased pig contest even *more* hilarious, so you laugh at it even more. It's tough to break out of the cycle of laughter/uptight- ness/laughter unless one or more of the laughees actually makes a breakthrough and starts to laugh along *with* the laughers... Wow, even more baseless speculation on intentions and a posters inner world. Is this a contest to see how baseless you can get? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing With, At and At/With
OTOT, a working set of hypotheses of a persons moods and intentions may help one be more sesnsitive. For example, thinking, It sounds like he MAY be mad at something. Just in case, I will be careful not to use ambiguous language, in case, I will be careful not or jokes that might be misinterprested. It sounds like the person who wrote this is attached to being interpreted the way he wants to be interpreted. :-) Congratulations Barry. The point of the post was trying to guess or speculate about intentions of a poster is pointless. So right out of the chute, you speculate on intentions. Incorrectly. Without basis. Thats our Barry! Sorry, no cigar. :-) To use the word 'misinterpreted' implies that something could possibly *be* misinterpreted, which implies that the person who is concerned about being misinterpreted (you, in the original post) believes that there is only one *valid* interpretation. That, to me, implies a lot of attachment. A less attached person could just say shit and allow others to interpret it however they wanted. To reiterate, more slowly and in all caps, since you don't seem to grasp the concept: ONLY SOMEONE WHO BELIEVES HE HAS THE ONE, TRUE, VALID INTERPRETATION OF SOMETHING WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT BEING MISINTERPRETED. RIGHT? :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment University
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 13, 2006, at 10:14 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip IME the vows represent a transcendental morality, What's a transcendental morality? Seems like a contradiction in terms, the transcendent being beyond all distinctions, at least by any definition I've ever encountered. A set of insights into cause-effect, often defined as rules, that emerge from transcendental or enlightened insight of reality as to causes that attenuate progress towards enlightenment or curtail establishment thereof. But the insights and the morality themselves are not transcendental, right? Once anything has emerged from the transcendent, it's no longer transcendental, in other words. The insights are. The change in behavior (the activity implied by the rules) supports attainment of higher states of consciousness. The higher you go, the finer the behavior--as the yogis say 'as fine as barley flour'. All religions have these. They are all based on the law of karma: actions produce results--from a Buddhist perspective until you become a stream enterer you are still effected by behavior. I don't believe you addressed my question. Distinctions, no matter how fine, cannot be transcendental, by definition--unless you're using a very different definition of the transcendent than any I've ever seen. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Take a long walk off a short dock or suck eggs (you pissing skunks)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I think it its a bogus term and concept. I have no desire to become enlightened. (Think about it, desiring enlightenment is a contradiction of terms.) snip OK, well thanks for clearing that up. And as to your statements that I am making cognitive errors, that would presume that 1) my senses are faulty, or 2) my intellect is muddled, or 3) my heart is darkened. Good self-diagnosis. Thats what it appears from your posts. Full of cognitive errors. Any of the three would cause an incorrect perception of what you have expressed around this topic. Sorry chap, but if 1, 2, or 3 were the case, I wouldn't be able to fully be my Self, and like it or not, I am. HAHAHAHAHAHA. Delude on dude. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing With, At and At/With
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OTOT, a working set of hypotheses of a persons moods and intentions may help one be more sesnsitive. For example, thinking, It sounds like he MAY be mad at something. Just in case, I will be careful not to use ambiguous language, in case, I will be careful not or jokes that might be misinterprested. It sounds like the person who wrote this is attached to being interpreted the way he wants to be interpreted. :-) Congratulations Barry. The point of the post was trying to guess or speculate about intentions of a poster is pointless. So right out of the chute, you speculate on intentions. Incorrectly. Without basis. Thats our Barry! Sorry, no cigar. :-) To use the word 'misinterpreted' implies that something could possibly *be* misinterpreted, which implies that the person who is concerned about being misinterpreted (you, in the original post) believes that there is only one *valid* interpretation. That, to me, implies a lot of attachment. A less attached person could just say shit and allow others to interpret it however they wanted. To reiterate, more slowly and in all caps, since you don't seem to grasp the concept: ONLY SOMEONE WHO BELIEVES HE HAS THE ONE, TRUE, VALID INTERPRETATION OF SOMETHING WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT BEING MISINTERPRETED. RIGHT? :-) As you say, oh baseless one. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing With, At and At/With
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OTOT, a working set of hypotheses of a persons moods and intentions may help one be more sesnsitive. For example, thinking, It sounds like he MAY be mad at something. Just in case, I will be careful not to use ambiguous language, in case, I will be careful not or jokes that might be misinterprested. It sounds like the person who wrote this is attached to being interpreted the way he wants to be interpreted. :-) Congratulations Barry. The point of the post was trying to guess or speculate about intentions of a poster is pointless. So right out of the chute, you speculate on intentions. Incorrectly. Without basis. Thats our Barry! Sorry, no cigar. :-) To use the word 'misinterpreted' implies that something could possibly *be* misinterpreted, which implies that the person who is concerned about being misinterpreted (you, in the original post) believes that there is only one *valid* interpretation. That, to me, implies a lot of attachment. Or, perhaps, insisting on one's own interpretation of something somebody else has said, even after being told that is not what they meant, represents an attachment to being able to interpret anything and everything as one pleases. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Intellect and Inquiry
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's really funny for me right now is how everything is flipped upside down and inside out. I have zero formal training in self-inquiry, and asking myself who am I used to result in nothing but frustration and an immediate shift of attention to anything else. Recently, I've been asking myself the same question, and it literally shuts down my intellect, every time. I ask the question and I immediately zone out into awareness. So, what's being used? I don't know! It seems like it starts with intellect, but the answer is utterly beyond it. Very Cool! I really enjoy reading about these experiences of yours. Real and true freedom. Similarly, for the past 10-12 years, I couldn't tolerate more than 3-5 minutes of TM at a time. But, the other morning, I woke up at 3:30am and sat up to meditate. No mantra came to me, and I just sat there, silently witnessing the breath, which became very faint. And, 20 minutes went by in a flash. In all my years of doing TM, I *never* had as profoundly deep a meditation as that. I was all like, No no no! You don't meditate to awaken! You awaken so you can meditate! LOL!!! Great. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Take a long walk off a short dock or suck eggs (you pissing skunks)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I think it its a bogus term and concept. I have no desire to become enlightened. (Think about it, desiring enlightenment is a contradiction of terms.) snip OK, well thanks for clearing that up. And as to your statements that I am making cognitive errors, that would presume that 1) my senses are faulty, or 2) my intellect is muddled, or 3) my heart is darkened. Good self-diagnosis. Thats what it appears from your posts. Full of cognitive errors. Any of the three would cause an incorrect perception of what you have expressed around this topic. Sorry chap, but if 1, 2, or 3 were the case, I wouldn't be able to fully be my Self, and like it or not, I am. HAHAHAHAHAHA. Delude on dude. Cool! Thanks for that Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing With, At and At/With
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Akashanon writes: I have said, 'hey guys, lets focus on substance.' TorquiseB writes: Dude, why don't you try being honest with yourself for once. What you *meant* by Let's focus on substance was Let's all talk about what *I* want to talk about, in the pseudointellectual way I like to talk about such things. Anything else is off-topic. It's your whole act here. Tom T: That is why he is so careful in his self appointed role as the Dogma/thought patrol. Wouldn't want anyone here to have any substantive opportunity to discuss and share experiences. Must clear it with the Dogma patrol and get the blessing of substance that only the intellect can understand. Anyone who deviates from that script and role playing must certainly be OTP and subject to intense scrutiny on a word by word basis for error and wrong thinking. Must keep that thinking in a very narrow path. Must Must Must. Should should should. The cool thing about akashanon's constant parrying and challenging is that it strengthens the Awakening experience of those who are challenged. Its like this dude I encountered in the post office the other day, where I'm plunking endless amounts of change into the one functioning stamp machine, and the machine is rejecting about every third coin, and given that, along with the price of a book of twenty stamps these days, it is taking a long time to buy my stamps. So I'm putting in coins, and putting in coins, and then I hear from behind me, an annoyed and persistent voice, Buy the stamps! C'mon buy the stamps!. I ignore it, not really catching the connection, and keep plunking my change in, and several seconds later, Buy the stamps! Buy the stamps!. At this point I turn around, and see that it is this guy in line, addressing me. So I stop what I am doing and begin calmly explaining what I am doing, and why it is taking so long. This doesn't satisfy him, and he interrupts with, Well, then just push the button! Buy some stamps with what you have!. So I explain that the machine only offers 20 stamp books and I haven't put enough stamps in. He isn't satisfied by my explanation, because he has apparently made up his mind that I am wrong, and dammit, I'm not conforming to that view of his. Anyway, he got frustrated and left, and I got my stamps. Afterwards, I realized how much such an experience had validated and reinforced the silence which now permeates my Being, is an everpresent constituent of me, and how such experiences stretch and test our true Nature. So, the same with akashanon. The more he challenges what we who have Awakened express, the stronger it gets. I don't know whether it helps him or not, though... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment University
On Jan 13, 2006, at 10:35 AM, authfriend wrote:I don't believe you addressed my question.I have. Distinctions, no matter how fine, cannot be "transcendental," by definition--unless you're using a very different definition of the transcendent than any I've ever seen. Jnana is transcendental. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Purusha Sad Sacks...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/9/06 7:29:33 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This guy needs to get back on his medication. Sal On Jan 8, 2006, at 9:21 PM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote: FWD: paste Dear friends in the world, You can't see 3/4 of the universe, yet without it, the 1/4 you can see, would disappear. You can't see us, but without us, you would disappear. No wonder Maharishi calls Purusha the body of Brahman. No wonder Maharishi calls Purusha is the best thing he's ever done. You heros in the world need Purusha and we need you, NOW, more than ever. Helping us will help you in everything you want to do. A dozen of us have only a few days left to raise our monthly donations and stay on Purusha. Please go to www.Purusha.org and give yourself and the world a boost. And please mention me as the person who inspired your donation. Thank you and all the best to you in 2006 and beyond. Jai Guru Dev, Oral Roberts had a better fund raising technique when he said I think the Lord is going to call me home if we don't raise enough money. Actually the letter clearly indicates that the money is more important than the people on the purusha program. Read carefully, JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Maharishi 1
When the TMO first started selling auyer vedic products about 20 years ago, the first product they sold was a rasayana called, Maharishi 1. Does anybody know what it was made of? I know it contained amalaki, but it also had other herbs in it. I found it to to be very powerful. You used to mix it with ghee and, I believe, sugar. It used to produce (stupid) bliss in my stomach! I'd love to get a hold of some of it. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi 1
MAPI phone people may be able to answer your question, because we'd have to know what they renamed it. Was that the liquid one with sugar in it? If so, I'm certain they still make that.Anyone who attended the original physicians course with Chopra will have the original lists (where many of the rasayanas and herbs were all assigned numbers).On Jan 13, 2006, at 11:21 AM, Peter wrote:When the TMO first started selling auyer vedic products about 20 years ago, the first product they sold was a rasayana called, "Maharishi 1". Does anybody know what it was made of? I know it contained amalaki, but it also had other herbs in it. I found it to to be very powerful. You used to mix it with ghee and, I believe, sugar. It used to produce (stupid) bliss in my stomach! I'd love to get a hold of some of it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing With, At and At/With
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip great rap So, the same with akashanon. The more he challenges what we who have Awakened express, the stronger it gets. I don't know whether it helps him or not, though... I suspect it has the opposite effect, but I agree with you. When I watch one of the clingers to self acting out their I'm in ignorance and proud of it but I'm willing to tell you all about enlightenment anyway thang here on FFL, I have several simultaneous reactions. The first is that I am *immensely* grateful that, unlike them, I have had my own experiences of enlightenment and don't have to try to fake knowledge of enlightenment based on the intellectual bullshit we've all been told *about* it over the years. Second, I often find myself laughing, often out loud, because the intellectual posturing and trying to sound knowledgeable about something they've never experienced really *IS* laughable. (Sorry, but it is...if you guys are going to continue to do this shit, *somebody* should tell you the truth.) Third, *even as I'm laughing*, I tend to feel sorry for the person doing the intellectual posturing about enlightenment, remembering that if I hadn't been lucky enough to have a few experiences of awakening myself that I'd probably be posturing the same way and spouting the same intellectual bullshit. And fourth, I try to remind myself *never* to try to explain the subjective experience of enlightenment to anyone who hasn't already experienced it, because then I'd be just as laughable. All in all, it's a real multidimensinoal learning experience... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Unstressing?
Sent recently by a Japanese friend: Report: Yoga Stir Tempers in Norway Prison - Wednesday, August 3, 2005 (08-03) 13:07 PDT OSLO, Norway (AP) -- A Norwegian prison has stopped giving yoga sessions to inmates after finding that some of the prisoners became more aggressive and agitated, a newspaper reported Wednesday. The yoga classes were introduced on at trial basis earlier this year at Ringerike prison, which holds some of Norway's most dangerous criminals. Prison officials had hoped meditation and breathing exercises would help inmates contain their anger, but it appeared to have the opposite effect. Some inmates became more agitated and aggressive, while others developed sleeping problems as a result of the yoga sessions, prison warden Sigbjoern Hagen told newspaper Ringerikes Blad. Hagen said that deep breathing exercises could make the inmates more dangerous, by unblocking their psychological barriers. URL: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/n/a/2005/08/03/international/ i081302D42.DTL ©2006 Associated Press Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing With, At and At/With
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Akashanon writes: I have said, 'hey guys, lets focus on substance.' TorquiseB writes: Dude, why don't you try being honest with yourself for once. What you *meant* by Let's focus on substance was Let's all talk about what *I* want to talk about, in the pseudointellectual way I like to talk about such things. Anything else is off-topic. It's your whole act here. Tom T: That is why he is so careful in his self appointed role as the Dogma/thought patrol. Wouldn't want anyone here to have any substantive opportunity to discuss and share experiences. Must clear it with the Dogma patrol and get the blessing of substance that only the intellect can understand. Anyone who deviates from that script and role playing must certainly be OTP and subject to intense scrutiny on a word by word basis for error and wrong thinking. Must keep that thinking in a very narrow path. Must Must Must. Should should should. The cool thing about akashanon's constant parrying and challenging is that it strengthens the Awakening experience of those who are challenged. Its like this dude I encountered in the post office the other day, where I'm plunking endless amounts of change into the one functioning stamp machine, and the machine is rejecting about every third coin, and given that, along with the price of a book of twenty stamps these days, it is taking a long time to buy my stamps. So I'm putting in coins, and putting in coins, and then I hear from behind me, an annoyed and persistent voice, Buy the stamps! C'mon buy the stamps!. I ignore it, not really catching the connection, and keep plunking my change in, and several seconds later, Buy the stamps! Buy the stamps!. At this point I turn around, and see that it is this guy in line, addressing me. So I stop what I am doing and begin calmly explaining what I am doing, and why it is taking so long. This doesn't satisfy him, and he interrupts with, Well, then just push the button! Buy some stamps with what you have!. So I explain that the machine only offers 20 stamp books and I haven't put enough stamps in. He isn't satisfied by my explanation, because he has apparently made up his mind that I am wrong, and dammit, I'm not conforming to that view of his. Anyway, he got frustrated and left, and I got my stamps. Afterwards, I realized how much such an experience had validated and reinforced the silence which now permeates my Being, is an everpresent constituent of me, and how such experiences stretch and test our true Nature. So, the same with akashanon. The more he challenges what we who have Awakened express, the stronger it gets. I don't know whether it helps him or not, though... I am glad it helps. If my posts help reduce the contradictions, cognitive errors, dogma and baseless assumptions, then discussions of substance will be clearer and deeper. I get value in seeing how oddly ones words can be read. Its helps writing skills -- a challenge to try to make ones writing clear even to those who respond primarily to voices in their heads and not whats on the page. And I get huge a huge source of laughter seeing the contradictions, cognitive errors, dogma and baseless assumptions that some posters make everyday. Including you. Thanks for that. Its a great gift. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: new MAPI catalog: Raam Raj Production
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was just surprised to see a TM-related item without pictures of MMY. Perhaps MAPI has been selling things without the photos for some time, but I never noticed if they have. Except for a small print return address spelling out Maharishi Ayurveda Products International, this catalog had no references to anything having to do with TM or any of the jargon, photos or gold embellishment that go with it. It is mainstream. MAPI is run quite sanely - though the prices are still tmoish - too high. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing With, At and At/With
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip great rap So, the same with akashanon. The more he challenges what we who have Awakened express, the stronger it gets. I don't know whether it helps him or not, though... acting out their I'm in ignorance and proud of it but I'm willing to tell you all about enlightenment anyway thang here on FFL, HAHAHAH. If this is not projection, what is!! You acknowledge you are not enlightened, yet expound on it constantly. I'm in ignorance and proud of it but I'm willing to tell you all about enlightenment anyway thang here on FFL, describes you perfectly. Good job. And more cognitive errors, which is to be expected with posts from Barry (and Jim, Tom, etc.) For example, when have I ever said let me tell you all about enlightenment? Read my posts. I think E is NOT a useful term, label or concept. When you read posts, try actually looking whats on the page and not whats in your head. And maybe take Tom's advice of facing near impossibility of discerning a posters intentions, moods, or states. I have several simultaneous reactions. For each personality? :) The first is that I am *immensely* grateful that, unlike them, Oh, I thought Tom said we are all one. Are you contradicting him? Or just not walking your talk? I have had my own experiences of enlightenment well you ARE special (unlikethem.) and don't have to try to f ake knowledge of enlightenment based on the intellectual bullshit we've all been told *about* it over the years. Well, glad you are not referring to me, since I don't talk about enlightenment -- other than to point out the mutiple mutually exclusive defintions and reports of experience by others. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] THANKS for 5the Cd's it shelped as well as the Amm Yagia etc
Mom, Myra Shimp Leedis stronger-- Happier etc.but its just now a short time remaining we believe however the cd's have helped . THANKS for bringing them there purchase for me us. .. I note I had the Amma group do thing for Mom as well just before she rapidly became physicly better. THANKS Tom Cindy.-Original Message-From: tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlist@traynor.comTo: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.comSent: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 11:39:05 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing With, At and At/With Akashanon writes: I have said, 'hey guys, lets focus on substance.' TorquiseB writes: Dude, why don't you try being honest with yourself for once. What you *meant* by "Let's focus on substance" was "Let's all talk about what *I* want to talk about, in the pseudointellectual way I like to talk about such things. Anything else is off-topic." It's your whole act here. Tom T: That is why he is so careful in his self appointed role as the Dogma/thought patrol. Wouldn't want anyone here to have any substantive opportunity to discuss and share experiences. Must clear it with the Dogma patrol and get the blessing of substance that only the intellect can understand. Anyone who deviates from that script and role playing must certainly be OTP and subject to intense scrutiny on a word by word basis for error and wrong thinking. Must keep that thinking in a very narrow path. Must Must Must. Should should should. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- FONT COLOR="#99"Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing /FONTA HREF="http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM"BClick Here!/B/A ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: FairfieldLife-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Stem cell experts seek rabbit-human embryo
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/story/0,3605,1685534,00.html Whats up doc? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment University
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 13, 2006, at 10:35 AM, authfriend wrote: I don't believe you addressed my question. I have. Distinctions, no matter how fine, cannot be transcendental, by definition--unless you're using a very different definition of the transcendent than any I've ever seen. Jnana is transcendental. Let me say it another way: Distinctions, no matter how fine, cannot be transcendental, by definition--unless you're using a very different definition of the transcendent than any I've ever seen. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing With, At and At/With
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip So, the same with akashanon. The more he challenges what we who have Awakened express, the stronger it gets. I don't know whether it helps him or not, though... I am glad it helps. You should've stopped here- quit while you're ahead. If my posts help reduce the contradictions, cognitive errors, dogma and baseless assumptions, then discussions of substance will be clearer and deeper. They don't, but are a help nonetheless, despite yourself...The help is not in who you are or think you are, but in what you represent ;) I get value in seeing how oddly ones words can be read. Its helps writing skills -- Ah, so there is the trade-off; our discourse deepens my Awakening, yet it improves your writing skills... a challenge to try to make ones writing clear even to those who respond primarily to voices in their heads and not whats on the page. And I get huge a huge source of laughter seeing the contradictions, cognitive errors, dogma and baseless assumptions that some posters make everyday. Including you. Thanks for that. Its a great gift. That sounds frankly like a real big load of the smelly stuff.. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Another SBAL paraphrase
I seem to recall in SBAL(?) Maharishi commented on psycho-analysis saying something like: It's criminal to remind a man of his past. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi 1
I think Maharishi 2 was the liquid one. Not as good as Maha 1. I don't think they still sell Maharishi 1, but I'll give MAPI a call. --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MAPI phone people may be able to answer your question, because we'd have to know what they renamed it. Was that the liquid one with sugar in it? If so, I'm certain they still make that. Anyone who attended the original physicians course with Chopra will have the original lists (where many of the rasayanas and herbs were all assigned numbers). On Jan 13, 2006, at 11:21 AM, Peter wrote: When the TMO first started selling auyer vedic products about 20 years ago, the first product they sold was a rasayana called, Maharishi 1. Does anybody know what it was made of? I know it contained amalaki, but it also had other herbs in it. I found it to to be very powerful. You used to mix it with ghee and, I believe, sugar. It used to produce (stupid) bliss in my stomach! I'd love to get a hold of some of it. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing With, At and At/With
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip So, the same with akashanon. The more he challenges what we who have Awakened express, the stronger it gets. I don't know whether it helps him or not, though... I am glad it helps. You should've stopped here- quit while you're ahead. If my posts help reduce the contradictions, cognitive errors, dogma and baseless assumptions, then discussions of substance will be clearer and deeper. They don't, but are a help nonetheless, despite yourself...The help is not in who you are or think you are, but in what you represent ;) I get value in seeing how oddly ones words can be read. Its helps writing skills -- Ah, so there is the trade-off; our discourse deepens my Awakening, yet it improves your writing skills... a challenge to try to make ones writing clear even to those who respond primarily to voices in their heads and not whats on the page. And I get huge a huge source of laughter seeing the contradictions, cognitive errors, dogma and baseless assumptions that some posters make everyday. Including you. Thanks for that. Its a great gift. That sounds frankly like a real big load of the smelly stuff.. Why is that Jim? oh well, the world is as we are, right jim? I see clarity and you see shit. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment University
On Jan 13, 2006, at 12:03 PM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 13, 2006, at 10:35 AM, authfriend wrote: I don't believe you addressed my question. I have. Distinctions, no matter how fine, cannot be "transcendental," by definition--unless you're using a very different definition of the transcendent than any I've ever seen. Jnana is transcendental. Let me say it another way: Distinctions, no matter how fine, cannot be "transcendental," by definition--unless you're using a very different definition of the transcendent than any I've ever seen. What is the status of thought in Unity Consciousness? You may want to review the four levels of speech in Maharishi Vedic Science to help you. Or read the Nasadiya sukta of Rig Veda, preferably with a friend who understands Sanskrit. Yuganaddha, two-in-one, is a paradox that's difficult to describe in linear words. There will automatically be a disconnect between written descriptions and the experience itself. It cannot be adequately described by words in written or spoken speech.The only "distinction" is that linear speech requires a distinction made up of a string of words to describe jnana. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing With, At and At/With
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip So, the same with akashanon. The more he challenges what we who have Awakened express, the stronger it gets. I don't know whether it helps him or not, though... I am glad it helps. You should've stopped here- quit while you're ahead. If my posts help reduce the contradictions, cognitive errors, dogma and baseless assumptions, then discussions of substance will be clearer and deeper. They don't, but are a help nonetheless, despite yourself...The help is not in who you are or think you are, but in what you represent ;) I get value in seeing how oddly ones words can be read. Its helps writing skills -- Ah, so there is the trade-off; our discourse deepens my Awakening, yet it improves your writing skills... a challenge to try to make ones writing clear even to those who respond primarily to voices in their heads and not whats on the page. And I get huge a huge source of laughter seeing the contradictions, cognitive errors, dogma and baseless assumptions that some posters make everyday. Including you. Thanks for that. Its a great gift. That sounds frankly like a real big load of the smelly stuff.. Why is that Jim? oh well, the world is as we are, right jim? I see clarity and you see shit. Right. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing With, At and At/With
Oh, I thought Tom said we are all one. Are you contradicting him? Or just not walking your talk? What makes you think that one person's experiences, even the experiences of enlightenment, have anything to do with anyone else's? I make no such assumption. Tom has had his own experiences, and has his own way of describing them and interpreting them. I find that many of them don't map to my own experiences. Yet at the same time what he says is perfectly valid, and reflects a perfectly valid set of experiences with and interpretations of enlightenment. If you find all that contradictory, that's just because you haven't been there, done that. But you will, sooner or later. Until then, I reserve the right to laugh at your posturing. How you feel about that is probably related to how you feel about Judy and her relationship to God. *She* obviously feels that when she says that laughing at someone is an 'attack,' that's essentially the same as if God had said it. If you agree with her, you may consider my ongoing laughing at you as an attack. Or you can consider it anything you want; it doesn't really affect me at all. I'm just stuck with laughing at you, because you're so doggoned laughable. Make of it what you will... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing With, At and At/With
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip great rap So, the same with akashanon. The more he challenges what we who have Awakened express, the stronger it gets. I don't know whether it helps him or not, though... I suspect it has the opposite effect, but I agree with you. When I watch one of the clingers to self acting out their I'm in ignorance and proud of it but I'm willing to tell you all about enlightenment anyway thang here on FFL, I have several simultaneous reactions. The first is that I am *immensely* grateful that, unlike them, I have had my own experiences of enlightenment and don't have to try to fake knowledge of enlightenment based on the intellectual bullshit we've all been told *about* it over the years. Second, I often find myself laughing, often out loud, because the intellectual posturing and trying to sound knowledgeable about something they've never experienced really *IS* laughable. (Sorry, but it is...if you guys are going to continue to do this shit, *somebody* should tell you the truth.) Third, *even as I'm laughing*, I tend to feel sorry for the person doing the intellectual posturing about enlightenment, remembering that if I hadn't been lucky enough to have a few experiences of awakening myself that I'd probably be posturing the same way and spouting the same intellectual bullshit. And fourth, I try to remind myself *never* to try to explain the subjective experience of enlightenment to anyone who hasn't already experienced it, because then I'd be just as laughable. All in all, it's a real multidimensinoal learning experience... Yep, I agree with all that you are saying. To the last point, 'explaining...', this forum is quite a unique place in which to attempt that, in that as far as I can tell, all are meditators of some form or stripe, and it is within this context that I feel comfortable sharing my experiences, both to clarify them through this forum, and to help dispel this notion and very damaging myth from the Christian tradition I suspect, that, try-as-we-might-we- never-get-there, oh-us-humble-sinners and on and on and on and on... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing With, At and At/With
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip great rap So, the same with akashanon. The more he challenges what we who have Awakened express, the stronger it gets. I don't know whether it helps him or not, though... acting out their I'm in ignorance and proud of it but I'm willing to tell you all about enlightenment anyway thang here on FFL, HAHAHAH. If this is not projection, what is!! You acknowledge you are not enlightened, yet expound on it constantly. I'm in ignorance and proud of it but I'm willing to tell you all about enlightenment anyway thang here on FFL, describes you perfectly. Good job. And more cognitive errors, which is to be expected with posts from Barry (and Jim, Tom, etc.) For example, when have I ever said let me tell you all about enlightenment? Read my posts. I think E is NOT a useful term, label or concept. snip Akashanon thinks that if he can challenge and equivocate, or rationalize, every experience he and others report, and keep from acknowledging that real progress can be made, and that there are clear milestones for such, he can avoid his painful realization that all of his seeking has for him come to nought. (of course it hasn't, but he *thinks* it has...). That is why he now proclaims that liberation, enlightenment, Brahman, identifying with the Self, Awakening, etc. are not useful terms, labels or concepts. Every attempt to have him state what he *does* believe in just results in his challenging the perception of the person asking. OK akashanon, you, unlike all of the spiritual teachers in the world, have declared the very concept of Awakening as invalid; that there can be no legitimate transition between ignorance and Awakening, that all we can apparently hope for is some small, incremental experiences of expanding our awareness, maybe, and that no phase transition occurs between one state, ignorance, and liberation, enlightenment, Brahman, identifying with the Self, Awakening, etc. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing With, At and At/With
Jim Flanegin: So, the same with akashanon. The more he challenges what we who have Awakened express, the stronger it gets. I don't know whether it helps him or not, though... Tom T: Darn Jim you weren't supposed to tell him. He is such a perfect mirror of how it used to be that is not hard to remember how it used to be. Oh Well! Maybe he will continue to play the game even if he knows the truth about it. Or on the other hand he may choose not. Tom T the guy who embraces the A word but definitely not the E word. Amen Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing With, At and At/With
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Akashanon writes: I have said, 'hey guys, lets focus on substance.' TorquiseB writes: Dude, why don't you try being honest with yourself for once. What you *meant* by Let's focus on substance was Let's all talk about what *I* want to talk about, in the pseudointellectual way I like to talk about such things. Anything else is off-topic. It's your whole act here. Tom T: That is why he is so careful in his self appointed role as the Dogma/thought patrol. Wouldn't want anyone here to have any substantive opportunity to discuss and share experiences. Must clear it with the Dogma patrol and get the blessing of substance that only the intellect can understand. Anyone who deviates from that script and role playing must certainly be OTP and subject to intense scrutiny on a word by word basis for error and wrong thinking. Must keep that thinking in a very narrow path. Must Must Must. Should should should. Actually Tom, if you actually read the words on the page of my posts, instead of repeatedly adding in all the cognitive distortions that appear from your head, imputing a lot of agendas. intentions, motives,etc (something you advise against -- another example of you not walking your talk), you would know a regular theme of my posts is about ways to create and enhance substantive opportunity to discuss and share experiences. Not labels, not dogma, not irrational contradictions between speech and action, not cognitive errors, but real eperiences. And you would know that my primary interest with regards to intellect is not what it can understand, not describing or analyzing the undescribable, but rather to discern what is not. What is your view on the role of self-inquiry? Is the intellect used in that? If so, why are you so against and perhaps afraid of the intellect? Anyone who deviates from that script and role playing must certainly be OTP --What program is that? Unlike you, I am not part, much less the leader of any program or dogma. You appear to be the one one with, and promoting, a program -- and a pretty set rap that goes along with that program. intense scrutiny on a word by word basis for error and wrong thinking.error and wrong thinking As you know cognitive errors something, I do comment on, are not content focussed. They are, among other things, about the divergence of what is objectively there -- like words on a page, and the distortions people add from their heads alone-- from biases, pre-judgments, logical fallacies, etc. Must keep that thinking in a very narrow path. Must Must Must. Should should should. I agree those words do describe some of your posts, but you may be being a bit harsh on yourself. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing With, At and At/With
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, I thought Tom said we are all one. Are you contradicting him? Or just not walking your talk? What makes you think that one person's experiences, even the experiences of enlightenment, have anything to do with anyone else's? I make no such assumption. Tom has had his own experiences, and has his own way of describing them and interpreting them. I find that many of them don't map to my own experiences. Yet at the same time what he says is perfectly valid, and reflects a perfectly valid set of experiences with and interpretations of enlightenment. OK. Good. Just asking. But you will, sooner or later. Until then, I reserve the right to laugh at your posturing. They take reservations? :) Laugh away at whatever is, and also all the filters and overlays in your head. You should be quite amused for some time. How you feel about that is probably related to how you feel about Judy and her relationship to God. *She* obviously feels that when she says that laughing at someone is an 'attack,' that's essentially the same as if God had said it. If you agree with her, Gee, you really don't read posts carefully at all do you. Read my lips: i) I do not take laughter as an attack. i) I don't hold you as having any power or substance to attack, iii) for real attackers -- ofsubstance, I don't buy into being a victim -- which is the only way one can be bloodied by a so-called attack. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing With, At and At/With
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The cool thing about akashanon's constant parrying and challenging is that it strengthens the Awakening experience of those who are challenged. Its like this dude I encountered in the post office the other day, where I'm plunking endless amounts of change into the one functioning stamp machine, and the machine is rejecting about every third coin, and given that, along with the price of a book of twenty stamps these days, it is taking a long time to buy my stamps. So I'm putting in coins, and putting in coins, and then I hear from behind me, an annoyed and persistent voice, Buy the stamps! C'mon buy the stamps!. I ignore it, not really catching the connection, and keep plunking my change in, and several seconds later, Buy the stamps! Buy the stamps!. At this point I turn around, and see that it is this guy in line, addressing me. So I stop what I am doing and begin calmly explaining what I am doing, and why it is taking so long. This doesn't satisfy him, and he interrupts with, Well, then just push the button! Buy some stamps with what you have!. So I explain that the machine only offers 20 stamp books and I haven't put enough stamps in. He isn't satisfied by my explanation, because he has apparently made up his mind that I am wrong, and dammit, I'm not conforming to that view of his. Anyway, he got frustrated and left, and I got my stamps. Afterwards, I realized how much such an experience had validated and reinforced the silence which now permeates my Being, is an everpresent constituent of me, and how such experiences stretch and test our true Nature. So, the same with akashanon. The more he challenges what we who have Awakened express, the stronger it gets. I don't know whether it helps him or not, though... Never a dull moment in MahaRicky's Yahoovad Gita, where the mahafuckyas flow fast and furious. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing With, At and At/With
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim Flanegin: So, the same with akashanon. The more he challenges what we who have Awakened express, the stronger it gets. I don't know whether it helps him or not, though... Tom T: Darn Jim you weren't supposed to tell him. He is such a perfect mirror of how it used to be that is not hard to remember how it used to be. Oh Well! Maybe he will continue to play the game even if he knows the truth about it. Or on the other hand he may choose not. Tom T the guy who embraces the A word but definitely not the E word. Amen Yeah, I just wanted to clearly get everyone's cards on the table, and not continue to inadvertently confuse others who may be listening in... I appreciate what you said about remembering what it used to be like. Boy did that suck! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing With, At and At/With
On Jan 13, 2006, at 11:08 AM, jim_flanegin wrote:So, the same with akashanon. He actually prefers "Akashic Moose". To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing With, At and At/With
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip great rap So, the same with akashanon. The more he challenges what we who have Awakened express, the stronger it gets. I don't know whether it helps him or not, though... acting out their I'm in ignorance and proud of it but I'm willing to tell you all about enlightenment anyway thang here on FFL, HAHAHAH. If this is not projection, what is!! You acknowledge you are not enlightened, yet expound on it constantly. I'm in ignorance and proud of it but I'm willing to tell you all about enlightenment anyway thang here on FFL, describes you perfectly. Good job. And more cognitive errors, which is to be expected with posts from Barry (and Jim, Tom, etc.) For example, when have I ever said let me tell you all about enlightenment? Read my posts. I think E is NOT a useful term, label or concept. snip Akashanon thinks that if he can challenge and equivocate, or rationalize, every experience he and others report, and keep from acknowledging that real progress can be made, and that there are clear milestones for such, he can avoid his painful realization that all of his seeking has for him come to nought. (of course it hasn't, but he *thinks* it has...). Wow Jim. You delusions are increasing at light speed. Which of the following is causing your massive cognitive errors this time: 1)you faulty senses, or 2) your muddled intellect or 3) my darkened heart (those being the reasons you listed previously) Just try to find examples of each of these in any of my posts. i) challenge and equivocate, or rationalize, every experience he and others report, what I challenge are: meaningless labels, cognitve errors, contradictions betweens words and actions. I encourage reporting and discussion of experiences. and keep from ii) acknowledging that real progress can't be made, Never said this. iii) and that there are not clear milestones for such, Never said this. he can avoid his painful realization that all of his seeking has for him come to nought. (of course it hasn't, but he *thinks* it has... HAHAHAHA. This precious. Projections? I gave up seeking sometime ago. Seeking is a huge vassana. Sooner or later all need to deal with it. That is why You are omnicient now too??? That is why he now proclaims that liberation, enlightenment, Brahman, identifying with the Self, Awakening, etc. are not useful terms, labels or concepts. I believe I said that about enlightenment. You are hallucinating the rest. Flashbacks? Every attempt to have him state what he *does* believe in just results in his challenging the perception of the person asking. Read my posts. I have stated many things I believe in. The distrotions in your head are scary jim. OK akashanon, you, unlike all of the spiritual teachers in the world, Wow, now you are hallucinating me as a spiritual teacher. that there can be no legitimate transition between ignorance and Awakening, $100 if you cite a post where i say that hallucinating jim. that all we can apparently hope for is some small, incremental experiences of expanding our awareness, maybe, and that no phase transition occurs between one state, ignorance, and liberation, enlightenment, Brahman, identifying with the Self, Awakening, etc. $200 if you cite a post where i say that hallucinating jim. So jim, I hope these and your recent posts, are enough examples of your delusions, halucinations, and large cognitive errors that i) you seek some third party psych appraisal ii) you understand that if you interpret what on the page in black and white with such distortions, that some might be reasonable skeptical of your reports of your interpretations of your experiences. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing With, At and At/With
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Never a dull moment in MahaRicky's Yahoovad Gita, where the mahafuckyas flow fast and furious. Mahafuckyas. Now THAT cracked me right up! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing With, At and At/With
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, the same with akashanon. The more he challenges what we who have Awakened express, the stronger it gets. I don't know whether it helps him or not, though... acting out their I'm in ignorance and proud of it but I'm willing to tell you all about enlightenment anyway thang here on FFL, HAHAHAH. If this is not projection, what is!! You acknowledge you are not enlightened, yet expound on it constantly. I'm in ignorance and proud of it but I'm willing to tell you all about enlightenment anyway thang here on FFL, describes you perfectly. Good job. And more cognitive errors, which is to be expected with posts from Barry (and Jim, Tom, etc.) For example, when have I ever said let me tell you all about enlightenment? Read my posts. I think E is NOT a useful term, label or concept. snip Akashanon thinks that if he can challenge and equivocate, or rationalize, every experience he and others report, and keep from acknowledging that real progress can be made, and that there are clear milestones for such, he can avoid his painful realization that all of his seeking has for him come to nought. (of course it hasn't, but he *thinks* it has...). Wow Jim. You delusions are increasing at light speed. Which of the following is causing your massive cognitive errors this time: 1)your faulty senses, or 2) your muddled intellect or 3) your darkened heart --- (those being the reasons you listed previously) Just try to find any examples of of these in any of my posts. i) challenge and equivocate, or rationalize, every experience he and others report, what I challenge are: meaningless labels, cognitve errors, contradictions betweens words and actions. I encourage reporting and discussion of experiences. and keep from ii) acknowledging that real progress can't be made, Never said this. iii) and that there are not clear milestones for such, Never said this. he can avoid his painful realization that all of his seeking has for him come to nought. (of course it hasn't, but he *thinks* it has... HAHAHAHA. This precious. Projections? I gave up seeking sometime ago. Seeking is a huge vassana. Sooner or later all need to deal with it. That is why You are omnicient now too??? That is why he now proclaims that liberation, enlightenment, Brahman, identifying with the Self, Awakening, etc. are not useful terms, labels or concepts. I believe I said that about enlightenment. You are hallucinating the rest. Flashbacks? Every attempt to have him state what he *does* believe in just results in his challenging the perception of the person asking. Read my posts. I have stated many things I believe in. The distrotions in your head are scary jim. OK akashanon, you, unlike all of the spiritual teachers in the world, Wow, now you are hallucinating me as a spiritual teacher. that there can be no legitimate transition between ignorance and Awakening, $100 if you cite a post where i say that hallucinating jim. that all we can apparently hope for is some small, incremental experiences of expanding our awareness, maybe, and that no phase transition occurs between one state, ignorance, and liberation, enlightenment, Brahman, identifying with the Self, Awakening, etc. $200 if you cite a post where i say that hallucinating jim. So jim, I hope these and your recent posts, are enough examples of your delusions, halucinations, and large cognitive errors that i) you seek some third party psych appraisal ii) you understand that if you interpret what on the page in black and white with such distortions, that some might be reasonable skeptical of your reports of your interpretations of your experiences. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing With, At and At/With
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The first is that I am *immensely* grateful that, unlike them, I have had my own experiences of enlightenment But apparently not the There is no me-versus-them, we-are-all one-experience... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment University
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 13, 2006, at 12:03 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 13, 2006, at 10:35 AM, authfriend wrote: I don't believe you addressed my question. I have. Distinctions, no matter how fine, cannot be transcendental, by definition--unless you're using a very different definition of the transcendent than any I've ever seen. Jnana is transcendental. Let me say it another way: Distinctions, no matter how fine, cannot be transcendental, by definition--unless you're using a very different definition of the transcendent than any I've ever seen. What is the status of thought in Unity Consciousness? We were talking about the Transcendent, not Unity consciousness. You may want to review the four levels of speech in Maharishi Vedic Science to help you. Or read the Nasadiya sukta of Rig Veda, preferably with a friend who understands Sanskrit. Yuganaddha, two-in-one, is a paradox that's difficult to describe in linear words. There will automatically be a disconnect between written descriptions and the experience itself. It cannot be adequately described by words in written or spoken speech. The only distinction is that linear speech requires a distinction made up of a string of words to describe jnana. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing With, At and At/With
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The first is that I am *immensely* grateful that, unlike them, I have had my own experiences of enlightenment But apparently not the There is no me-versus-them, we-are-all one-experience... Or the no-EGO experience. HAHAHAHAHAHA. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing With, At and At/With
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, I thought Tom said we are all one. Are you contradicting him? Or just not walking your talk? What makes you think that one person's experiences, even the experiences of enlightenment, have anything to do with anyone else's? What makes you think that's what he thinks? He was *asking* you. I make no such assumption. Tom has had his own experiences, and has his own way of describing them and interpreting them. I find that many of them don't map to my own experiences. Yet at the same time what he says is perfectly valid, and reflects a perfectly valid set of experiences with and interpretations of enlightenment. If you find all that contradictory, that's just because you haven't been there, done that. But you will, sooner or later. Until then, I reserve the right to laugh at your posturing. How you feel about that is probably related to how you feel about Judy and her relationship to God. *She* obviously feels that when she says that laughing at someone is an 'attack,' that's essentially the same as if God had said it. Wow, talk about *projection*! If you agree with her, you may consider my ongoing laughing at you as an attack. Or you can consider it anything you want; it doesn't really affect me at all. I'm just stuck with laughing at you, because you're so doggoned laughable. Make of it what you will... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing With, At and At/With
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip great rap So, the same with akashanon. The more he challenges what we who have Awakened express, the stronger it gets. I don't know whether it helps him or not, though... acting out their I'm in ignorance and proud of it but I'm willing to tell you all about enlightenment anyway thang here on FFL, HAHAHAH. If this is not projection, what is!! You acknowledge you are not enlightened, yet expound on it constantly. I'm in ignorance and proud of it but I'm willing to tell you all about enlightenment anyway thang here on FFL, describes you perfectly. Good job. And more cognitive errors, which is to be expected with posts from Barry (and Jim, Tom, etc.) For example, when have I ever said let me tell you all about enlightenment? Read my posts. I think E is NOT a useful term, label or concept. snip Akashanon thinks that if he can challenge and equivocate, or rationalize, every experience he and others report, and keep from acknowledging that real progress can be made, and that there are clear milestones for such, he can avoid his painful realization that all of his seeking has for him come to nought. (of course it hasn't, but he *thinks* it has...). That is why he now proclaims that liberation, enlightenment, Brahman, identifying with the Self, Awakening, etc. are not useful terms, labels or concepts. Every attempt to have him state what he *does* believe in just results in his challenging the perception of the person asking. Is Awakening something to be believed in? Does what you believe in have anything to do with becoming enlightened? OK akashanon, you, unlike all of the spiritual teachers in the world, have declared the very concept of Awakening as invalid; that there can be no legitimate transition between ignorance and Awakening, that all we can apparently hope for is some small, incremental experiences of expanding our awareness, maybe, and that no phase transition occurs between one state, ignorance, and liberation, enlightenment, Brahman, identifying with the Self, Awakening, etc. Boy, that isn't what I understand him to be saying. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing With, At and At/With
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The first is that I am *immensely* grateful that, unlike them, I have had my own experiences of enlightenment But apparently not the There is no me-versus-them, we-are-all one-experience... Actually, even though it's being asked by the Judybot, I'll deal with this one. :-) That is correct. I have had quite a few experiences that map to what TMers might call 'CC.' I have had other experiences that don't map to anything that has *ever* been mentioned in a TM context, but were pretty neat. But as it turns out I have neither had, nor have I ever sought, any experience that could in any way be descried as there is no me-vs-them, we are all one. I suspect that this description has almost nothing to do with real experiences of the direct perception of Unity. In other words, what I think Judy is describing is a guess, *from the point of view of someone who hasn't even experienced CC*, of what Unity might be like. Me, I consider her description NewAgeSpeak at its worst, so admit with some *pride* to never having experienced anything like it. Carry on... :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment University
On Jan 13, 2006, at 1:29 PM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 13, 2006, at 12:03 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 13, 2006, at 10:35 AM, authfriend wrote: I don't believe you addressed my question. I have. Distinctions, no matter how fine, cannot be"transcendental," by definition--unless you'reusing a very different definition of thetranscendent than any I've ever seen. Jnana is transcendental. Let me say it another way:Distinctions, no matter how fine, cannot be"transcendental," by definition--unless you'reusing a very different definition of thetranscendent than any I've ever seen. What is the status of thought in Unity Consciousness? We were talking about the Transcendent, notUnity consciousness. No you were talking about the transcendent. I was talking about transcendental morality.Where do you think transcendental morality comes from? It comes from a different state than waking. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing With, At and At/With
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But as it turns out I have neither had, nor have I ever sought, any experience that could in any way be descried as there is no me-vs-them, we are all one. I suspect that this description has almost nothing to do with real experiences of the direct perception of Unity. In other words, what I think Judy is describing is a guess, *from the point of view of someone who hasn't even experienced CC*, of what Unity might be like. Me, I consider her description NewAgeSpeak at its worst, Tom T: As Neil DOnald Walsh once wrote, there is only one of US. Once awakening occurs that is one of the basic understandings that is unadvoidable. Given that an awake person gets or groks THAT, then there is no differrence between being laughed at or with. As a matter of fact it just becomes another opportunity to just laugh at the craziness inside the monkey house and out. Laughter is just laughter. No Attack. No Attacker. Just me and the other me rolling on the floor whooping it up. TOm T http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/85017 Interesting hypothesis Barry. Maybe Tom Traynor is someone who hasn't even experienced CC*, of what Unity might be like. Tom? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing With, At and At/With
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Never a dull moment in MahaRicky's Yahoovad Gita, where the mahafuckyas flow fast and furious. Mahafuckyas. Now THAT cracked me right up! All Glory to Sri Sri Tom T for that one. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing With, At and At/With
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Never a dull moment in MahaRicky's Yahoovad Gita, where the mahafuckyas flow fast and furious. Mahafuckyas. Now THAT cracked me right up! All Glory to Sri Sri Tom T for that one. Raja of the Mahafuckyas? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing With, At and At/With
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But as it turns out I have neither had, nor have I ever sought, any experience that could in any way be descried as there is no me-vs-them, we are all one. I suspect that this description has almost nothing to do with real experiences of the direct perception of Unity. In other words, what I think Judy is describing is a guess, *from the point of view of someone who hasn't even experienced CC*, of what Unity might be like. Me, I consider her description NewAgeSpeak at its worst, Tom T: As Neil DOnald Walsh once wrote, there is only one of US. Once awakening occurs that is one of the basic understandings that is unadvoidable. Given that an awake person gets or groks THAT, then there is no differrence between being laughed at or with. As a matter of fact it just becomes another opportunity to just laugh at the craziness inside the monkey house and out. Laughter is just laughter. No Attack. No Attacker. Just me and the other me rolling on the floor whooping it up. TOm T http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/85017 Interesting hypothesis Barry. Maybe Tom Traynor is someone who hasn't even experienced CC*, of what Unity might be like. Or, he has his way of expressing things, Neil Donald Walsh has his, and I have mine, and *none* of them has anything whatsoever to do with Judy's NewAgeSpeak. :-) I'm not responsible for how Tom describes his exper- iences and interprets them, I'm not responsible for how this Walsh guy does it, and I'm not responsible for how you react when you hear any of them. All I'm responsible for, if I'm silly enough to try to describe experiences that I *know* can *NEVER* be expressed in words, is doing the best I can at *that* inachievable task. In other words, what you're trying to do is claim that if any two people say that they've experienced awakening or enlightenment or *whatever* one chooses to call it, and they don't AGREE with each other, something is not right. Did I get your basic thesis? Well, I'm suggesting that your basic thesis is a rather dimwitted, simplistic view of a far more complicated reality, and that you choose to believe the dimwitted view because your time with Maharishi has made you intellectually lazy and taught you to settle for consistent, easy answers. And if settling for consistent, easy answers makes you happy, I say more power to you. Good deal. I wish you the best of luck with that. Me, I'd rather have experiences than spout theories about them, and it's a Friday night, so I'm off to have a few experiences right now. I leave you to talk about them. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing With, At and At/With
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The first is that I am *immensely* grateful that, unlike them, I have had my own experiences of enlightenment But apparently not the There is no me-versus-them, we-are-all one-experience... Actually, even though it's being asked by the Judybot, I'll deal with this one. :-) That is correct. I have had quite a few experiences that map to what TMers might call 'CC.' I have had other experiences that don't map to anything that has *ever* been mentioned in a TM context, but were pretty neat. But as it turns out I have neither had, nor have I ever sought, any experience that could in any way be descried as there is no me-vs-them, we are all one. I suspect that this description has almost nothing to do with real experiences of the direct perception of Unity. In other words, what I think Judy is describing is a guess, *from the point of view of someone who hasn't even experienced CC*, of what Unity might be like. Actually not. Not only is it a frequently reported experience on this forum (odd that you've somehow managed to miss it) and elsewhere, but I've had it myself on occasion. I don't know whether it's a direct perception of Unity, but then I didn't claim it was. It *is* an experience of perceiving the Self in others. Me, I consider her description NewAgeSpeak at its worst, so admit with some *pride* to never having experienced anything like it. Actually, I'm pretty sure that with a bit of searching, I could find posts of yours in which you've said something very much like this. Carry on... :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment University
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 13, 2006, at 1:29 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 13, 2006, at 12:03 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 13, 2006, at 10:35 AM, authfriend wrote: I don't believe you addressed my question. I have. Distinctions, no matter how fine, cannot be transcendental, by definition--unless you're using a very different definition of the transcendent than any I've ever seen. Jnana is transcendental. Let me say it another way: Distinctions, no matter how fine, cannot be transcendental, by definition--unless you're using a very different definition of the transcendent than any I've ever seen. What is the status of thought in Unity Consciousness? We were talking about the Transcendent, not Unity consciousness. No you were talking about the transcendent. I was talking about transcendental morality. Where do you think transcendental morality comes from? Well, that's what I was asking about, actually. It comes from a different state than waking. No doubt. But if it involves distinctions, to call it transcendental is oxymoronic. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment University
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: oxymoronic eight morons? I have just counted five so far. :) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing With, At and At/With
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But as it turns out I have neither had, nor have I ever sought, any experience that could in any way be descried as there is no me-vs-them, we are all one. I suspect that this description has almost nothing to do with real experiences of the direct perception of Unity. In other words, what I think Judy is describing is a guess, *from the point of view of someone who hasn't even experienced CC*, of what Unity might be like. Me, I consider her description NewAgeSpeak at its worst, Tom T: As Neil DOnald Walsh once wrote, there is only one of US. Once awakening occurs that is one of the basic understandings that is unadvoidable. Given that an awake person gets or groks THAT, then there is no differrence between being laughed at or with. As a matter of fact it just becomes another opportunity to just laugh at the craziness inside the monkey house and out. Laughter is just laughter. No Attack. No Attacker. Just me and the other me rolling on the floor whooping it up. TOm T http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/85017 Interesting hypothesis Barry. Maybe Tom Traynor is someone who hasn't even experienced CC*, of what Unity might be like. Or, he has his way of expressing things, Neil Donald Walsh has his, and I have mine, and *none* of them has anything whatsoever to do with Judy's NewAgeSpeak. :-) Well, yes, it does, actually. I was thinking specifically of what Tom had just said, quoted above. There is only one of US seems to me pretty similar to my paraphrase There is no me-vs.-them, we are all one. I'm not responsible for how Tom describes his exper- iences and interprets them, I'm not responsible for how this Walsh guy does it, and I'm not responsible for how you react when you hear any of them. All I'm responsible for, if I'm silly enough to try to describe experiences that I *know* can *NEVER* be expressed in words, is doing the best I can at *that* inachievable task. But you do appear to consider yourself responsible for inferring what experiences others have and have not had, as well as where they got their descriptions from, and for proudly insisting that you have never had such experiences, as if they were somehow beneath you. In other words, what you're trying to do is claim that if any two people say that they've experienced awakening or enlightenment or *whatever* one chooses to call it, and they don't AGREE with each other, something is not right. Did I get your basic thesis? I suspect what he's pointing out, and you're avoiding dealing with, is that by rejecting the There is only one of US experience as simply someone's idea of what Unity might be like, you're implying that Tom (and the others who have reported this experience) has no experiential knowledge of CC and certainly not of Unity. Well, I'm suggesting that your basic thesis is a rather dimwitted, simplistic view of a far more complicated reality, and that you choose to believe the dimwitted view because your time with Maharishi has made you intellectually lazy and taught you to settle for consistent, easy answers. In fact, as anyone who has read Anon's posts with any attention realizes, settling for consistent, easy answers is about as far from what he's doing as it's possible to be. That's exactly what he's inveighing *against*. And if settling for consistent, easy answers makes you happy, I say more power to you. Good deal. I wish you the best of luck with that. Me, I'd rather have experiences than spout theories about them, and it's a Friday night, so I'm off to have a few experiences right now. I leave you to talk about them. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing With, At and At/With
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But as it turns out I have neither had, nor have I ever sought, any experience that could in any way be descried as there is no me-vs-them, we are all one. I suspect that this description has almost nothing to do with real experiences of the direct perception of Unity. In other words, what I think Judy is describing is a guess, *from the point of view of someone who hasn't even experienced CC*, of what Unity might be like. Me, I consider her description NewAgeSpeak at its worst, Tom T: As Neil DOnald Walsh once wrote, there is only one of US. Once awakening occurs that is one of the basic understandings that is unadvoidable. Given that an awake person gets or groks THAT, then there is no differrence between being laughed at or with. As a matter of fact it just becomes another opportunity to just laugh at the craziness inside the monkey house and out. Laughter is just laughter. No Attack. No Attacker. Just me and the other me rolling on the floor whooping it up. TOm T http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/85017 Interesting hypothesis Barry. Maybe Tom Traynor is someone who hasn't even experienced CC*, of what Unity might be like. In other words, what you're trying to do is claim that if any two people say that they've experienced awakening or enlightenment or *whatever* one chooses to call it, and they don't AGREE with each other, something is not right. Did I get your basic thesis? um, if they describe mutually exclusive attributes of enlightenment, and describe mutually exclusive experiences of E., yes, I am skeptical that they are talking about the same thing. You don't? Also when I see self-proclaimed E. steeped cognitive errors and hallucination, one even claiming that NOT making cognitive errors is a characteristic of E, I get a bit skeptical that they are not making cognitive errors in interpreting their experiences. And because of the above, I doubt the value of the label of enlightenment? Well, I'm suggesting that your basic thesis is a rather dimwitted, simplistic view of a far more complicated reality, Well, I grant you that I hold you quite well qualified to know what dimwittedness is all about. :) An expert witness. and that you choose to believe the dimwitted view because your time has made you intellectually lazy and taught you to settle for consistent, easy answers. But in your time with him, you were immune? And you know my educatioanal, work and life experience in the almost 30 years since I saw MMY. And you know this had no effect on my so-called mmy induced dimwittedness? HAHAHAHAHAHA. Keep it up Barry. I don't mind the bloody fist from pounding the floor in laughter. You are such a trip! And if settling for consistent, easy answers makes you happy, I say more power to you. Good deal. I wish you the best of luck with that. And where did I say I sought that? You are making more cognitive errors, barry. Still having that flashback problem? Me, I'd rather have experiences than spout theories about them, ME TOO! We finally have something in common!. But who is that voice in your head that says I like to spout theories. Fire him. He is way drunk. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing With, At and At/With
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 13, 2006, at 11:08 AM, jim_flanegin wrote: So, the same with akashanon. He actually prefers Akashic Moose. for dessert? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing With, At and At/With
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Never a dull moment in MahaRicky's Yahoovad Gita, where the mahafuckyas flow fast and furious. A couple of question for you: 1. what is the natural dynamic being expressed as the result of the above? 2. what is the value of doing this? PS This isn't some bizarre test, just honestly curious about your thinking on this... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Again India does it
South-African Model Gang-Raped in Mumbai, India NDTV Correspondent Mumbai, December 31A 27-year-old South African model, who had come to Indias glamour capital in September to make a career in Bollywood, was allegedly gangraped by two people in a city hotel. Deputy Commissioner of Police (DCP) Shashikant Shinde today said a case of rape under section 376/34 of IPC has been registered against two people he declined to identify. However, sources in the Vile Parle police station said the South African national identified the accused as Rahul and Aditya. The complainant said the accused laced her drink with some drug when she went to the toilet in Hotel Bawa International, adding when she became groggy they took her in a car to an isolated location and gangraped her on Wednesday. Mr Shinde said police have collected vital information about the two accused from the hotel staff and the owner and they would be arrested soon. Daughter of a South African business tycoon, the woman, who had come to India in September this year, was staying at an apartment in Lokhandwala in Andheri (West). Date rape? The model says two men she befriended at the hotel's pub drugged her. The woman claims she was taken to another hotel where she was assaulted with a belt and raped. The owner of Bawa International Hotel is allegedly involved in the incident, but argues that all such allegations are baseless since the rape did not take place on the premises of the hotel. "The FIR does not mention that anyone from the hotel management is in any way involved in the gangrape," said Karan Bawar, Owner, Bawa International. The model had reportedly been in search of work ever since she came to India in September 2005. She is reported to have met her alleged rapists at the party. The men, after raping her, dropped her at her Lokhandwala residence, police sources said. Medical tests on the woman have confirmed rape, the sources added. UNI Yahoo! Photos Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and well bind it! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing With, At and At/With
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Never a dull moment in MahaRicky's Yahoovad Gita, where the mahafuckyas flow fast and furious. A couple of question for you: 1. what is the natural dynamic being expressed as the result of the above? The ridiculous pseudo-Vedic terminology was burning a hole in my brain and needed to be released. 2. what is the value of doing this? For the pure silliness of it. PS This isn't some bizarre test, I dunno... seemed pretty bizarre to me. just honestly curious about your thinking on this... Well, there ya have it. How'd I score? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing With, At and At/With
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Never a dull moment in MahaRicky's Yahoovad Gita, where the mahafuckyas flow fast and furious. A couple of question for you: 1. what is the natural dynamic being expressed as the result of the above? The ridiculous pseudo-Vedic terminology was burning a hole in my brain and needed to be released. 2. what is the value of doing this? For the pure silliness of it. PS This isn't some bizarre test, 108? I dunno... seemed pretty bizarre to me. just honestly curious about your thinking on this... Well, there ya have it. How'd I score? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing With, At and At/With
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Never a dull moment in MahaRicky's Yahoovad Gita, where the mahafuckyas flow fast and furious. A couple of question for you: 1. what is the natural dynamic being expressed as the result of the above? The ridiculous pseudo-Vedic terminology was burning a hole in my brain and needed to be released. 2. what is the value of doing this? For the pure silliness of it. PS This isn't some bizarre test, I dunno... seemed pretty bizarre to me. just honestly curious about your thinking on this... Well, there ya have it. How'd I score? A-plus! Hope you have a great weekend!! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Again India does it
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: South-African Model Gang-Raped in Mumbai, India Dude, in the future, please keep this shit to yourself. Thanks. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's new(?) title
TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Râja Nader Râm, Jan 12th 2006: His Divine Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Wow. In both of those titles, only one word (the family name, Nader or Mahesh) is not made up. What is it about human beings that convinces them that if they add more honorifics to a person's name, the person becomes more honorable? Titles are usually conferred by the guru not the followers. Did they hold a seance? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Laughing With, At and At/With
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Is Awakening something to be believed in? Does what you believe in have anything to do with becoming enlightened? Yes, you must absolutely believe in the fact that you can and will gain enlightenment, no matter what happens. Be one pointed on the Goal. OK akashanon, you, unlike all of the spiritual teachers in the world, have declared the very concept of Awakening as invalid; that there can be no legitimate transition between ignorance and Awakening, that all we can apparently hope for is some small, incremental experiences of expanding our awareness, maybe, and that no phase transition occurs between one state, ignorance, and liberation, enlightenment, Brahman, identifying with the Self, Awakening, etc. Boy, that isn't what I understand him to be saying. Si? Que? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Again India does it
on 1/13/06 4:11 PM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: South-African Model Gang-Raped in Mumbai, India Dude, in the future, please keep this shit to yourself. Thanks. Jason, in case you're not aware, there are bad people in every country. Good ones too. India has it's fair share of each. None of us is laboring under the illusion that India is a holy land free from evildoers. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
