[FairfieldLife] Watch Ron Paul OWN this Fox news turd
Watch Ron Paul OWN this Fox news turd: AWESOME Dr. Paul ! http://youtube.com/watch?v=dcLSLGXypMY OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Catching the Big Fish - David Lynch
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: But I'm replying to say congratulations (in an associated-with-the-project sorta way) for all the Golden Globe nominations for Pushing Daisies. I hope come Emmy time you get recog- nized personally. Thanks. The globe nom is a good sign. The Emmys are a long way off, September. The awards are nice but they have not done much for my career. I do like the recognition though. As a dedicated fan, I can't help but notice that the IMDB listings for PD (as for many other series) seem to reflect the writers' strike. No new episodes scheduled at this point, and after a major cliffhanger, to boot. :-( Bryan Fuller did not want to cross the picket lines to polish the cut. That gave me the opportunity to do it myself. I had a great time. There was a lame scene of Emerson giving Abner Newsome the reward money to finish that story. I got to shoot that piece of Abner Newsome getting his new heart. Wrote the narration for that area as well. Then replaced the old scene. They gave me a crew for a day to make some fixes like that. Had a really fun creative time. I am hoping when the strike ends they will let me direct one. Me, too. Thanks for the info -- it's fascinating for me as a fan to hear some of the little things that go into making the whole of a film or TV episode work. There are just so many of them, and God really is in the details. Keira Knightley Atonement - So hot she sizzles. Angelina Jolie A Mighty Heart - turns in a surprisingly believable performance. Yet I will never see her the same since the 3D Imax version of her in Beowolf. It haunts my wettest dreams. LOL. Philip Seymour Hoffman Charlie Wilson's War, he is plain awesome in this role. Picks the whole movie up a notch. One of my favorites; I'll be looking forward to this movie. 4. ANNA FRIEL PUSHING DAISIES She is s cute. She is tiny in real life. She could be Thumbelina and I'd still be in love with her. Perky to the max. These days I keep popping up on Cadfael and in Timeline and other things she's done in the past. As you say, S cute.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Catching the Big Fish - David Lynch
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: 18. BEST TELEVISION SERIES COMEDY OR MUSICAL 5. PUSHING DAISIES (ABC) No argument there. BTW, Stu, one thing I've been curious about. In emails trying to turn friends on to Pushing Daisies (always a formidable task trying to describe the basic plotline, something you guys do an admirable job with in the Previously on... segments), I've found myself describing it as a cross between Amelie and (of course) Dead Like Me and Pee Wee's Big Adventure. With Pee Wee himself (Paul Reubens) showing up in a recurring role, am I right about the last one? :-) The Amelie connection seems to be in the quirkiness and the colorization and the general joie de vivre. I would bet that Jean-Pierre Jeunet is a fan. And Dead Like Me is a given (that was a really fun series that ended too soon IME). But Pee Wee was really out there, too, and he lived in nearly as quirky and personal a universe as Ned and Chuck do. It's really a lovely series, full of witty writing and TV and movie in-jokes and above all, great heart. It's almost Castanedan for me -- not only the straying off the path into separate realities, but also his idea of a path with heart. And the CAST! Where did you ever get such a group of talent together? I may have the hots for Chuck (like probably most of the men in America), but to be honest Ellen Greene is more my age and has an inner hotness that just won't quit. I would imagine that it's one of those series that has fans in the acting biz, and that actor-fans are actively lobbying for bit parts in it, just so they can be associated with the show. Not to be asking you to tell tales out of school or anything, but is it a fun set to work on? I'm imagining that it is. Possibly not on the same level as a Robert Rodriquez movie or a Joss Whedon series, but it certainly looks as if the cast might be having as much fun offscreen as they are onscreen. If that's true, the blooper reel is going to be a real hoot. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Movement news?
A friend called me tonight and told me he had gone to the Siddhi checking course.He said that they played a tape in which it was announced that MMY was going into silence and that Haglen(sp?)was going to be made the Raja for north america.Also that MMY was soon going to be bringing out new knowledge(no doubt for $ of course).Sorry if this has already been discussed but does anyone know anything about this?Kevin
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Atheist Delusion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: Forgive the doggerel, but our conceptions of reality are no better than other people's conceptions of reality. They're conceptions, that's all. None of us confuse a picture of a tiger with a tiger, yet when it comes to words, we make that same mistake all the time. One conception of reality is not better than another except in its usefulness for a certain purpose. Religions have a variety of purposes, not all of them bad. The best religions include an escape hatch, some clue that they are only maps, pictures, vehicles, but are not to be confused with reality. Speak for yourself. I suggest that through meditation we train ourselves to see the world beyond conceptions. As we allow the mind to settle conceptions fall away and what is left is what is really really there. Here. Now. Unity. The writer's strike is good in one respect in that you have more time to post here, Stu. :-) I would agree with you that *theoretically* a power- ful meditation technique should allow the *possibility* of allowing concepts to fall away. And I'd say that it often does, *during the earliest years of a teacher's teaching*. But there is something that seems to happen during the latter years of a teacher's teaching, and certainly after he or she dies. There's an almost inevitable dogmatization of the teaching that sets in, and sets in hard, like concrete. That, IMO, is *counter* to the meditation process in that it concretizes dogma and concepts and places them up on a pedestal, where they are clearly never to be fucked with, at peril to your immortal soul. *Try* to fuck with them or allow them to fall away, and you find yourself out on the street, no longer a part of the tradition. On the one hand, that's a sad thing. On the other, it has led to the proliferation of new spiritual groups, as someone stuck in a cesspool of dogma *does* fight the dogma-catchers and allows the old concepts to fall away. He is thrown out or leaves on his own, and goes forth to start an all-new tradition with all-new con- cepts. And there is a freshness to the new tradition for a while, until its concepts start getting set in concrete themselves. As a result it is possible to discern the clinging to conceptions in our selves and others. The work becomes about letting go. If one is *allowed* to let go. Imagine trying to be a Buddhist-like atheist (that is, having no need for a God or a sentient intelligence underlying the universe) in the TM movement, as it has become. You'd still have to stand there gritting your teeth and pretend to be as into the ceremonies to gods and goddesses as the people who really *are* into them. Express your real beliefs, and you'd be first shunned, and then if you didn't learn your lesson and keep your mouth shut, ostracized. It's not TM-specific; it's just what seems to happen. The *teacher's* beliefs (which may be as carried over from the imprinting of his youth as anyone else's) become the dogma, and is glommed onto by those who need dogma, and deviation from the dogma is perceived as deviance. It's one of the things that makes my sit back and watch it all approach to spiritual traditions so fascinating. They all start excited, and celebrating a new approach to being individuals within a world that not only accepts individual vision but celebrates it. And then, within two decades, that *same* individualist tradition has grown a set of dogma balls that clank when it walks, and that weigh down anyone within the tradition who tries to run. Most religions are about chasing an end that will never be found. Most Western religions. The Eastern ones preach that the end can be found, but few actually find it. The monotheistic religions are most guilty of trying to find the real through symbols. A perfect description, Stu. Pretty silly when you look at it that way, isn't it? :-) In the beginning... It is as if they are going to name everything in the world and tackle death this way. As essentially a Buddhist, the In the beginning thang is a never-ending source of amusement for me. It's like people saying, I'm human and humans grow old and die and (hopefully) get reborn, and so the universe *has* to do this, too. Therefore there *was* a 'first creation,' and therefore there has to have been Someone/Something around to create it. So much easier to conceive of the universe as never-created, never-ending, with no start and no finish. And thus, no need for a Creator. What a waste of time and breath. Not to mention the disservice these misconceived actions bring upon our own humanity. It *is* sad that, although almost *all* of them were well-meaning, many if not most of the horror ever per- petrated upon others on this planet was due to religion. I'd love to believe that someday one of them
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Atheist Delusion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In short, teachers of the past used simple and concrete terms to explain complicated thoughts to explain nature and existence, which many intellectuals today are still grappling with. As such, the teachers used human terms to explain the phenomenonal world, such as Father and Mother Nature to explain the origins of the universe. These where hunter gathers moving towards agrarian societies. Suddenly they developed a patriarchal political system with a mythology to match. Of course their heaven was a kingdom. It was a reflection of their own social hierarchy. Sort of a blue print these illiterate people could chant as ritual. Their concept of kingdom was different from what we would think today. But the word had a concrete meaning for them and thus it made sense. For modern man, the word kingdom would have to be considered as a metaphor for the concept of heaven. The word kingdom will have to be redefined perhaps as a field, a realm, a state of mind or consiousness. In this way, the ancient methaphors can be more meaningful for the present context. Specifically, I don't believe Moses would have been successful in explaining his thoughts to the Hebrews of his time if he said that the universe was created by a Big Bang. He would have missed the needs of his people, which were many. For one, they were being chased by the Egyptians in the desert; they had no food to eat; they had enemies from all sides, which is still applicable today. How practical would it be for Moses to say in front of the people and say that there was NO GOD, and that there's only the universe? They would have hung his balls high in the desert, so to speak! Most of what their religion was about was explaining the inhumane expanse of desert around them. Something had to fill in for those empty days of heat and lack of water. The desert makes warriors of men. Very true. The environment that the Judeo-Christian tradition grew out of may have been harsh. But this environment contributed to the strength of their resolve and faith. In other words, their faith was tested by time and experience, not to mention the environment and other factors. We can consider ourselves lucky that we live in relative peace and abundance. We no longer need a kingdom in heaven, instead we would prefer a democracy. Or at least something with some sort of unification at its core. The USA was not necessarily born out of peace and abundance, although it became that way because of the people who built it. We must remember that the Pilgrims who came here were persecuted by the people from their homeland. They came to America to find religious freedom. And, at that time, the American continent was harsh and wild as compared to the home that they left behind. So, these thoughts of a Supreme Being had their beginnings from the human experience, from the context of culture, history, and continuation of the species. Therefore, human terms are appropriate to explain a very complicated concept. There's more to this, but I'll stop here for brevity sake. What the ancients had was very different social and intellectual needs. Their world had no place for individuality, consciousness expansion, cooperation, equality. These were attributes that did not really find a footing until the European enlightenment. The ancients were from a different time and space, very true. But we have to assume that their physiological makeup was similar to present human beings. IMO, they already had the same mental and physical capability (maybe even better) as we do today to expand their consiousness. For instance, in the Hindu texts, we read that the previous yugas had a far advanced group of people and civilization, perhaps not in the material sense. It was written that Vyasa was able to foretell that the people of the next yuga (Kali Yuga) would not be as intelligent, or spiritually advanced. As such, he wrote the Vedas in increments so that the succeeding generations would be able to understand the knowledge or wisdom of the past. With this knowledge, with this evolution of consciousness, with this growth, we include the ancients and transcend them. Our hope is found in a world without petty anthropomorphic expressions of god or gods. We know words just devalue the infinity bliss that is found in the nameless. We certainly need to evolve to a higher level of consciousness, particularly during Kali Yuga in which we are in today. One should be aware that anthropomorphic expressions of the Divine may not be necessarily incorrect. It may be a key to understanding the meaning of the cosmos. IMO, humans are a conscious by-product of the Intelligence of the universe. Or, that humans are evidence of the divine incarnating into matter. s.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Atheist Delusion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The USA was not necessarily born out of peace and abundance, although it became that way because of the people who built it. We must remember that the Pilgrims who came here were persecuted by the people from their homeland. Uh, just as a hint, you might want to look into the real history rather than this myth. Most of the religious groups that found their way to America were being persecuted back home because they were actively trying to impose *their* religion on their neighbors. The Protestants were not into having fun, and so they didn't want anyone *around* them to have any fun, either. It's fascinating to spend some time in the Netherlands and get the Dutch view of what America is and where it came from. Basically, that view is that Holland always saw itself as the most tolerant society in Europe, and so when people were persecuted in some country (meaning that they tried so hard to convert their neighbors that the neighbors finally got tired of being bothered and told them to leave), they could always go to Holland. When they did, and the *Dutch* got to experience what some of these crazy Protestants were like, they in turn suggested to them that they go forth to the new land in America and proliferate there. Anything to get rid of them. :-)
[FairfieldLife] The Scourge of Nationalism
How is this dream to be broken, how shall we wake up from this dream that we are little men and women, and all such things? ~~ Swami Vivekananda The Scourge of Nationalism By Howard Zinn The Progressive, 05/16/05 http://www.progressive.org/june05/zinn0605.php I cannot get out of my mind the recent news photos of ordinary Americans sitting on chairs, guns on laps, standing unofficial guard on the Arizona border, to make sure no Mexicans cross over into the United States. There was something horrifying in the realization that, in this twenty-first century of what we call civilization, we have carved up what we claim is one world into 200 artificially created entities we call nations and armed to apprehend or kill anyone who crosses a boundary. Is not nationalism--that devotion to a flag, an anthem, a boundary so fierce it engenders mass murder--one of the great evils of our time, along with racism, along with religious hatred? These ways of thinking--cultivated, nurtured, indoctrinated from childhood on--have been useful to those in power, and deadly for those out of power. National spirit can be benign in a country that is small and lacking both in military power and a hunger for expansion (Switzerland, Norway, Costa Rica, and many more). But in a nation like ours--huge, possessing thousands of weapons of mass destruction--what might have been harmless pride becomes an arrogant nationalism dangerous to others and to ourselves. Our citizenry has been brought up to see our nation as different from others, an exception in the world, uniquely moral, expanding into other lands in order to bring civilization, liberty, democracy. That self-deception started early. When the first English settlers moved into Indian land in Massachusetts Bay and were resisted, the violence escalated into war with the Pequot Indians. The killing of Indians was seen as approved by God, the taking of land as commanded by the Bible. The Puritans cited one of the Psalms, which says: Ask of me, and I shall give thee, the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the Earth for thy possession. When the English set fire to a Pequot village and massacred men, women, and children, the Puritan theologian Cotton Mather said: It was supposed that no less than 600 Pequot souls were brought down to hell that day. It was our Manifest Destiny to overspread the continent allotted by Providence, an American journalist declared on the eve of the Mexican War. After the invasion of Mexico began, the New York Herald announced: We believe it is a part of our destiny to civilize that beautiful country. It was always supposedly for benign purposes that our country went to war. We invaded Cuba in 1898 to liberate the Cubans, and went to war in the Philippines shortly after, as President McKinley put it, to civilize and Christianize the Filipino people. As our armies were committing massacres in the Philippines (at least 600,000 Filipinos died in a few years of conflict), Elihu Root, our Secretary of War, was saying: The American soldier is different from all other soldiers of all other countries since the war began. He is the advance guard of liberty and justice, of law and order, and of peace and happiness. Nationalism is given a special virulence when it is blessed by Providence. Today we have a President, invading two countries in four years, who believes he gets messages from God. Our culture is permeated by a Christian fundamentalism as poisonous as that of Cotton Mather. It permits the mass murder of the other with the same confidence as it accepts the death penalty for individuals convicted of crimes. A Supreme Court justice, Antonin Scalia, told an audience at the University of Chicago Divinity School, speaking of capital punishment: For the believing Christian, death is no big deal. How many times have we heard Bush and Rumsfeld talk to the troops in Iraq, victims themselves, but also perpetrators of the deaths of thousands of Iraqis, telling them that if they die, if they return without arms or legs, or blinded, it is for liberty, for democracy? Nationalist super-patriotism is not confined to Republicans. When Richard Hofstadter analyzed American presidents in his book The American Political Tradition, he found that Democratic leaders as well as Republicans, liberals as well as conservatives, invaded other countries, sought to expand U.S. power across the globe. Liberal imperialists have been among the most fervent of expansionists, more effective in their claim to moral rectitude precisely because they are liberal on issues other than foreign policy. Theodore Roosevelt, a lover of war, and an enthusiastic supporter of the war in Spain and the conquest of the Philippines, is still seen as a Progressive because he supported certain domestic reforms and was concerned with the national environment. Indeed, he ran as President on the Progressive ticket in 1912. Woodrow Wilson, a Democrat, was the epitome of the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Movement news?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shanti18411 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A friend called me tonight and told me he had gone to the Siddhi checking course.He said that they played a tape in which it was announced that MMY was going into silence and that Haglen(sp?)was going to be made the Raja for north america.Also that MMY was soon going to be bringing out new knowledge(no doubt for $ of course).Sorry if this has already been discussed but does anyone know anything about this? Kevin The following is speculation - no inside scoop - on 11/24/2007, I posted (from FFL#155783, Maharishi announces new role for himself) : Get ready Rajas, for MMY's latest concoction, Gyan Shakti. He's behind the bar mixing a new elixir, Gyan Shakti, designed for your consumption. The Berlin Raja fiasco will limit new Rajas from joining the club and infusing fresh funds, so MMY is setting the stage for offering new knowledge, Gyan Shakti, for only the most discriminating - existing Rajas with remaining discretionary funds. When do you think it will be offered ? As soon as Jan. 12th ? At what price ? from FFL #155788: What a great guy M is, eh Rajas ! He always works tirelessly, even on Holidays, to serve you. Like a good servant, M knows what you need even before you do, and works tirelessly in service to you. M, as a young idealist, had visions of serving everyone on the planet with his concoctions, which he knew could decrease suffering for every individual. But in middle-age, M was persuaded to serve a few, with promises that the few would see that the many would benefit. Please leave a generous tip for the old guy, he still harbors hope that he will help the whole world by meeting your individual needs. -Mainstream
[FairfieldLife] Re: Movement news?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shanti18411 shanti18411@ wrote: A friend called me tonight and told me he had gone to the Siddhi checking course.He said that they played a tape in which it was announced that MMY was going into silence and that Haglen(sp?)was going to be made the Raja for north america.Also that MMY was soon going to be bringing out new knowledge(no doubt for $ of course).Sorry if this has already been discussed but does anyone know anything about this? Kevin The following is speculation - no inside scoop - on 11/24/2007, I posted (from FFL#155783, Maharishi announces new role for himself) : Get ready Rajas, for MMY's latest concoction, Gyan Shakti. He's behind the bar mixing a new elixir, Gyan Shakti, designed for your consumption. The Berlin Raja fiasco will limit new Rajas from joining the club and infusing fresh funds, so MMY is setting the stage for offering new knowledge, Gyan Shakti, for only the most discriminating - existing Rajas with remaining discretionary funds. When do you think it will be offered ? As soon as Jan. 12th ? At what price ? from FFL #155788: What a great guy M is, eh Rajas ! He always works tirelessly, even on Holidays, to serve you. Like a good servant, M knows what you need even before you do, and works tirelessly in service to you. M, as a young idealist, had visions of serving everyone on the planet with his concoctions, which he knew could decrease suffering for every individual. But in middle-age, M was persuaded to serve a few, with promises that the few would see that the many would benefit. Please leave a generous tip for the old guy, he still harbors hope that he will help the whole world by meeting your individual needs. -Mainstream Trickle-down purification? ...from guys like Raja Emanuel? Oh my!
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Scourge of Nationalism
Why don't you get ready to live in Aztlan, I am sure you will just love it. http://www.rense.com/general24/az.htm -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How is this dream to be broken, how shall we wake up from this dream that we are little men and women, and all such things? ~~ Swami Vivekananda The Scourge of Nationalism By Howard Zinn The Progressive, 05/16/05 http://www.progressive.org/june05/zinn0605.php I cannot get out of my mind the recent news photos of ordinary Americans sitting on chairs, guns on laps, standing unofficial guard on the Arizona border, to make sure no Mexicans cross over into the United States. There was something horrifying in the realization that, in this twenty-first century of what we call civilization, we have carved up what we claim is one world into 200 artificially created entities we call nations and armed to apprehend or kill anyone who crosses a boundary. Is not nationalism--that devotion to a flag, an anthem, a boundary so fierce it engenders mass murder--one of the great evils of our time, along with racism, along with religious hatred? These ways of thinking--cultivated, nurtured, indoctrinated from childhood on--have been useful to those in power, and deadly for those out of power. National spirit can be benign in a country that is small and lacking both in military power and a hunger for expansion (Switzerland, Norway, Costa Rica, and many more). But in a nation like ours--huge, possessing thousands of weapons of mass destruction--what might have been harmless pride becomes an arrogant nationalism dangerous to others and to ourselves. Our citizenry has been brought up to see our nation as different from others, an exception in the world, uniquely moral, expanding into other lands in order to bring civilization, liberty, democracy. That self-deception started early. When the first English settlers moved into Indian land in Massachusetts Bay and were resisted, the violence escalated into war with the Pequot Indians. The killing of Indians was seen as approved by God, the taking of land as commanded by the Bible. The Puritans cited one of the Psalms, which says: Ask of me, and I shall give thee, the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the Earth for thy possession. When the English set fire to a Pequot village and massacred men, women, and children, the Puritan theologian Cotton Mather said: It was supposed that no less than 600 Pequot souls were brought down to hell that day. It was our Manifest Destiny to overspread the continent allotted by Providence, an American journalist declared on the eve of the Mexican War. After the invasion of Mexico began, the New York Herald announced: We believe it is a part of our destiny to civilize that beautiful country. It was always supposedly for benign purposes that our country went to war. We invaded Cuba in 1898 to liberate the Cubans, and went to war in the Philippines shortly after, as President McKinley put it, to civilize and Christianize the Filipino people. As our armies were committing massacres in the Philippines (at least 600,000 Filipinos died in a few years of conflict), Elihu Root, our Secretary of War, was saying: The American soldier is different from all other soldiers of all other countries since the war began. He is the advance guard of liberty and justice, of law and order, and of peace and happiness. Nationalism is given a special virulence when it is blessed by Providence. Today we have a President, invading two countries in four years, who believes he gets messages from God. Our culture is permeated by a Christian fundamentalism as poisonous as that of Cotton Mather. It permits the mass murder of the other with the same confidence as it accepts the death penalty for individuals convicted of crimes. A Supreme Court justice, Antonin Scalia, told an audience at the University of Chicago Divinity School, speaking of capital punishment: For the believing Christian, death is no big deal. How many times have we heard Bush and Rumsfeld talk to the troops in Iraq, victims themselves, but also perpetrators of the deaths of thousands of Iraqis, telling them that if they die, if they return without arms or legs, or blinded, it is for liberty, for democracy? Nationalist super-patriotism is not confined to Republicans. When Richard Hofstadter analyzed American presidents in his book The American Political Tradition, he found that Democratic leaders as well as Republicans, liberals as well as conservatives, invaded other countries, sought to expand U.S. power across the globe. Liberal imperialists have been among the most fervent of expansionists, more effective in their claim to moral rectitude precisely because they are liberal on issues other than foreign policy. Theodore Roosevelt, a lover of war,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Movement news?
Dateline MVC: This just in too. Auspicious happenings in Maharishi Vedic City; A deity in the form of an ice sculpture has emerged just recently in M. Vedic City from a drain pipe. Maharishi was contacted in Vlodrop Holland and asked about it he confirmed it. Also instructed people in M.Vedic City to save it. The project has taken the form of a special refrigerated room built to install the ice of the form. Rich donors are encouraged to go to the room and make offerrings. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shanti18411 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A friend called me tonight and told me he had gone to the Siddhi checking course.He said that they played a tape in which it was announced that MMY was going into silence and that Haglen(sp?)was going to be made the Raja for north america.Also that MMY was soon going to be bringing out new knowledge(no doubt for $ of course).Sorry if this has already been discussed but does anyone know anything about this?Kevin
[FairfieldLife] Re: Movement news?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dateline MVC: This just in too. Auspicious happenings in Maharishi Vedic City; A deity in the form of an ice sculpture has emerged just recently in M. Vedic City from a drain pipe. Maharishi was contacted in Vlodrop Holland and asked about it he confirmed it. Also instructed people in M.Vedic City to save it. The project has taken the form of a special refrigerated room built to install the ice of the form. Rich donors are encouraged to go to the room and make offerrings. It's getting harder and harder to tell the put-ons from the reality where the TMO is concerned. Should this one be true, and the divine form of the ice deity be similar to this Indian one, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Lord_Amarnath.jpg then I suspect that the fundraising drive will be to buy an enormous condom for it to protect it from catching cooties from the parasites of the Fairfield community. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shanti18411 shanti18411@ wrote: A friend called me tonight and told me he had gone to the Siddhi checking course.He said that they played a tape in which it was announced that MMY was going into silence and that Haglen(sp?)was going to be made the Raja for north america.Also that MMY was soon going to be bringing out new knowledge(no doubt for $ of course). Sorry if this has already been discussed but does anyone know anything about this?Kevin
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Srivastava Mafia's Cut - Florida Land??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives boo_lives@ wrote: Just look at their public IRS statements, available at a couple websites that post all non-profit filings, and you'll see the transfers of money out of the US into jersey island offshore accounts - over $500 million in the past 6 yrs from those entities I've identified sorry, that should be $150 million not $500 million. MoneyMoneyMoney - Why are the americans so very desperate for this commodity ? They do not have a healthy relationship with money. If I was a guru in that country, God forbid, I'd certainly start off by trying to elivate as much cash from them as possible and thus make the ponder and perhaps reevaluate this crazy, lowlife obsession.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Movement news?
On Dec 20, 2007, at 8:51 AM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote: Dateline MVC: This just in too. Auspicious happenings in Maharishi Vedic City; A deity in the form of an ice sculpture has emerged just recently in M. Vedic City from a drain pipe. Maharishi was contacted in Vlodrop Holland and asked about it he confirmed it. Confirmed what, Doug? That a deity was living in a drainpipe? Also instructed people in M.Vedic City to save it. The project has taken the form of a special refrigerated room built to install the ice of the form. Rich donors are encouraged to go to the room and make offerrings. Can the poor ones go too? Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Scourge of Nationalism
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, aztjbailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why don't you get ready to live in Aztlan, I am sure you will just love it. http://www.rense.com/general24/az.htm Are you xenophobic?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Scourge of Nationalism
do you care for your own physical life? do you care for the physical life of your loved ones? do you have any understanding at all of the physical violence that is happening in L.A.? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, aztjbailey aztjbailey@ wrote: Why don't you get ready to live in Aztlan, I am sure you will just love it. http://www.rense.com/general24/az.htm Are you xenophobic?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Movement news?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dateline MVC: This just in too. Auspicious happenings in Maharishi Vedic City; A deity in the form of an ice sculpture has emerged just recently in M. Vedic City from a drain pipe. Maharishi was contacted in Vlodrop Holland and asked about it he confirmed it. Also instructed people in M.Vedic City to save it. The project has taken the form of a special refrigerated room built to install the ice of the form. Rich donors are encouraged to go to the room and make offerrings. If true, could you provide a photograph of the sculpture ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Watch Ron Paul OWN this Fox news turd
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Watch Ron Paul OWN this Fox news turd: AWESOME Dr. Paul ! http://youtube.com/watch?v=dcLSLGXypMY OffWorld The most refreshing and honest responses to this issue I've ever seen. For most political stances politicians can basically mail in their comments and responses. It's like when athletes are interviewed in locker rooms after the game. Their responses are virtually all the same and the pat answers are rote. Not in this case. Paul's actually addressing the issue and explicitly NOT pandering to political correctness is wonderful to see. But why do you refer to Cavutto as a turd? Did you find him somehow disrespectful of Dr. Paul? I didn't and don't think he is worthy of being called a turd.
[FairfieldLife] Re: point of no return passed?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to the article in the link below, we have or will shortly pass the point of no return on global warming. Not all, but most of us, according to this article are majorly screwed beyond the point of no return. http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2007/12/10/165845/92 Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Angela, have you seen the documentary The Great Global Warming Swindle yet?
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Movement news?
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TurquoiseB Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 9:13 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Movement news? It's getting harder and harder to tell the put-ons from the reality where the TMO is concerned. Should this one be true, and the divine form of the ice deity be similar to this Indian one, HYPERLINK http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Lord_Amarnath.jpghttp://en.wikipedia.or g/wiki/Image:Lord_Amarnath.jpg It probably is something like that, but smaller. There’s an old photo of MMY’s visit to that place. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1190 - Release Date: 12/19/2007 7:37 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: point of no return passed? TM-Jihad
The future for the 21st century is research published in respected peer-reviewed scientific journals. Period. Get used to it. -OffWorld Dear Off_World, I am with you on this. Jon Hagelin is too and he is a bone-fide scientist apparently. And those who are not with us? Evidently negative tending social parasites as a TM-TB'er as Nabby might say it Dangerous to society by concluding your reasoning. Jon Hagelin in the FF Ledger: Extensive published research shows that coherence and positivity is created in collective consciousness when a small number of people practice the Transcendental Meditation and more advanced Yogic Flying techniques together in a group- The Invincible America Assembly is raising the quality of collective consciousness and behavior throughout society to be more harmonious, more life supporting. And Nature is responding more positively. End of story Yes, that is my experience. Off_World, whoever you are, Luv to Thee Off_W in this your TM-jihad. Jai Guru Dev, -Doug in FF see this link for Hagelin's current TMmovement thoughts Published in the Fairfield Daily Ledger: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/157620 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Heart of TM-jihad as expressed by Off_World: you are not remotely qualified to make that judgment. Only scientists are, and they have overwhelmingly found the science in TM studies to be robust. That is why sceintists at the NIH gave $20 million (and rising) in research money to Maharishi University, and more than 5 major universities in the US are currently engaged in research on TM. Over 200 studies in peer- reviewed scientific journals... and STILL anti-science people like you ( a lot like George Bush and the anti-evolution crowd) want to destroy science and everything it has built. Your type belong in the dark ages. Science is the future, and peer-reveiwed published research is your future but you are afraid of it. Get used to it, it is not going away despite the best efforts of you anti-science people. To me there is no lower people than anti-science people like the fundie Christians and fundie Muslims. OffWorld http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/157512 TM-Jihad!!!TM-Jihad!TM-Jihad!TM-JihadTM- Jihad That is typical of anti-science fundies to say things I did not say. Your 'TM-Jihad' words you pin on me because of being an anti- science fundamentalist. I am not interested in TM philosophy or beliefs...I said that I would go by research only, wether it goes against TM, or for TM. I AM THE ONLY ONE on FFL that is that open minded on the topic, and can say with hinesty that, for society at large, I will go by what peer-reviewed research published finds. Period. I only go by research published in respected peer-reviewed scientific journals. I am the only one on FFL that has said I will change my mind if the research changes. I, unlike the anti-science crowd, am the ONLY one on FFL that STATES CLEARLY that I would change, based on solid research as stated above. This makes everyone else on this board an anti-science fundamentalist. I will change my mind on the whole thing if even only 1/4 of the research published in respected peer-reviewed journals goes the other way. I will change my recommendations of the practice on that basis alone. But fundamentlaists put words in your mouth which were not there, because they are afraid of the truth. They want to keep believing in santa- claus and the tooth fairy and uncorroborated claims. I don't. My experiences are tremendous, but to me that is no proof of anything whatsoever. Only research published in respected peer-reviewed scientific journals is proof of anything. The anti-science crowd on FFL want to ignore science, and just like the anti-science nuts among the Neocons they want to put words in your mouth. It is quite amazing, and that you save, or go and look for all those posts, shows your fundamentalist fanaticism, and then put meaning there that was not there. This is typical behaviour of the anti- science practices of the fundamentalist christians and muslims, and people like George Bush, Rush Limbaugh, Ted Haggard, Condi Rice, Jerry Falwell and other ignorant nutcases. The future for the 21st century is research published in respected peer-reviewed scientific journals. Period. Get used to it. OffWorld .
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Movement news?
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sal Sunshine Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 9:28 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Movement news? On Dec 20, 2007, at 8:51 AM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote: Dateline MVC: This just in too. Auspicious happenings in Maharishi Vedic City; A deity in the form of an ice sculpture has emerged just recently in M. Vedic City from a drain pipe. Maharishi was contacted in Vlodrop Holland and asked about it he confirmed it. Confirmed what, Doug? That a deity was living in a drainpipe? That’s right Sal. And the liquid coming out of the drain pipe isn’t really water draining off the roof. It’s the deity’s nose running. Antihistamines are being poured into the top of the pipe to help the deity. Antihistamines in such quantities are expensive, so donations are being solicited. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1190 - Release Date: 12/19/2007 7:37 PM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Watch Ron Paul OWN this Fox news turd
NOT an appropriate name to B called any one. This show's the level of the writers of this posts mind believe, Fecal MATTER, IS CERRTAINLY ON THE MOUTH IF not THE BRAIN OF THE poster here. All I am afraid of the decline in the merit of the posts here. However I am glad for the essence of the post. Ron Paul handled the respectf ul question very well form several angles. I do appreciate his post 4 I was then able to see again Ron Paul's live response most to me direct response. Both by the questioner Ron Paul's were well done with respect from my view no fecal matter here or there to warrant the, Turd description. Namaste **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Movement news?
On Dec 20, 2007, at 9:55 AM, Rick Archer wrote: Confirmed what, Doug? That a deity was living in a drainpipe? That’s right Sal. And the liquid coming out of the drain pipe isn’t really water draining off the roof. It’s the deity’s nose running. Antihistamines are being poured into the top of the pipe to help the deity. Antihistamines in such quantities are expensive, so donations are being solicited. Thanks for explaining, Rick. But you know you can't just believe any old thing unless it's published in a peer-reviewed journal. Sal
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Movement news?
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sal Sunshine Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 10:04 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Movement news? On Dec 20, 2007, at 9:55 AM, Rick Archer wrote: Confirmed what, Doug? That a deity was living in a drainpipe? That’s right Sal. And the liquid coming out of the drain pipe isn’t really water draining off the roof. It’s the deity’s nose running. Antihistamines are being poured into the top of the pipe to help the deity. Antihistamines in such quantities are expensive, so donations are being solicited. Thanks for explaining, Rick. But you know you can't just believe any old thing unless it's published in a peer-reviewed journal. Hey, FFL is peer-reviewed. We’re all peers, and we review things here, right? So anything you read here should be good enough for Off World, or anyone else, IMO. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1190 - Release Date: 12/19/2007 7:37 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Movement news?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 20, 2007, at 8:51 AM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote: Dateline MVC: This just in too. Auspicious happenings in Maharishi Vedic City; A deity in the form of an ice sculpture has emerged just recently in M. Vedic City from a drain pipe. Maharishi was contacted in Vlodrop Holland and asked about it he confirmed it. Confirmed what, Doug? That a deity was living in a drainpipe? Also instructed people in M.Vedic City to save it. The project has taken the form of a special refrigerated room built to install the ice of the form. Rich donors are encouraged to go to the room and make offerrings. Can the poor ones go too? Sal Dear Sal, i got to go to work right now. However, people can probably confirm this and make donations calling Maharishi Vedic City offices. They are not completely exclusive up there about money, proly they would take anyone's offerrings whether humble or large. The offerrings would probably all go to the same place, don't you think? They can easily deduct from checking accounts to make it real easy to get your money. Credit cards too proly. Dollars, Euros Raams. The Mayor is proly in the middle of handling it. He is the 'public' municipal servant type of person there. The Raja of Maharishi Vedic City? Phone MVC offices: 641 470-7000. One of the hotels seem to be in it too according to word on the street. -Doug in FF
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Movement news?
On Dec 20, 2007, at 10:24 AM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote: Dear Sal, i got to go to work right now. However, people can probably confirm this and make donations calling Maharishi Vedic City offices. They are not completely exclusive up there about money, proly they would take anyone's offerrings whether humble or large. Whew! I was getting worried there for a minute. The offerrings would probably all go to the same place, don't you think? Oh, absolutely. :) They can easily deduct from checking accounts to make it real easy to get your money. Credit cards too proly. Dollars, Euros Raams. I'll be happy to make one in Raams. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Movement news?
More half-truths and rumors--everyone knows that Maharishi is in silence and has passed rule of the movement to the Rajas. What this report doesn't say is that the confirmation was communicated by Maharishi to Raja Emmanuel telepathically, whereupon Raja Emannuel instructed the denizens of Vedic City to gather around chanting Invincible Vedic Drainpipe Deity, which they dutifully did. Global Good news should have pictures soon. And contrary to what Rick says below, the discharge is not due to the deity's nose running -- it's Invincible Vedic Drainpipe (VD) Deity Ambrosia and far from trying to eliminate it, it will be sold once the pundits have chanted over it, allegedly for as little as $108 per ml. Invincible VD Deity Nactar can cure a multitude of disorders depending on the mantras used, the time of year, the nakshatra of the moon etc. OK now this is just rumor, but word is that a special refrigeration room is not real necessary. The deity can be kept cold and intact using only the legendary compassion of the TMO. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dateline MVC: This just in too. Auspicious happenings in Maharishi Vedic City; A deity in the form of an ice sculpture has emerged just recently in M. Vedic City from a drain pipe. Maharishi was contacted in Vlodrop Holland and asked about it he confirmed it. Also instructed people in M.Vedic City to save it. The project has taken the form of a special refrigerated room built to install the ice of the form. Rich donors are encouraged to go to the room and make offerrings. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Snip That's right Sal. And the liquid coming out of the drain pipe isn't really water draining off the roof. It's the deity's nose running. Antihistamines are being poured into the top of the pipe to help the deity. Antihistamines in such quantities are expensive, so donations are being solicited.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Movement news?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dateline MVC: This just in too. Auspicious happenings in Maharishi Vedic City; A deity in the form of an ice sculpture has emerged just recently in M. Vedic City from a drain pipe. Maharishi was contacted in Vlodrop Holland and asked about it he confirmed it. Also instructed people in M.Vedic City to save it. The project has taken the form of a special refrigerated room built to install the ice of the form. Rich donors are encouraged to go to the room and make offerrings. (from Running with scissors) Dr. Finch: Everyone! Come quickly! Wake up! Wake up! A miracle! A miracle! A miracle has occured! Agnes Finch: What're you looking at? Natalie: Dad's morning shit. Dr. Finch: See? See how the duplicoil is breaking out of the surface of the water? Holy Father. Agnes Finch: Doctor, let me draw you a nice bath. Dr. Finch: Agnes, go get a shoehorn. A shoehorn, Agnes. Hope: But what does it mean, Dad? Dr. Finch: It means our financial situation is turning around. It means things are looking upward. Literally, the shit is pointing out of the pot! Towards Heaven, to God. My turd is a direct communication from the Holy Father. [Augusten and Natalie try to hide their laughter] Dr. Finch: No, no, no, no, children. No. Laugh. Laugh! God is... He is the funniest man in the universe. Agnes, I want you to carefully remove this, take it outside, and let it dry in the sun. We're starting a shrine, Agnes. A shrine. Hope, let's prepare.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Scourge of Nationalism
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, aztjbailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: do you care for your own physical life? do you care for the physical life of your loved ones? do you have any understanding at all of the physical violence that is happening in L.A.? Good Lord! ...another xenophobic crackpot. It's a fact that immigrants commit less crime than the American born. Researchers and observers, aware that widespread concern over crime committed by immigrants can boil over into hate crimes committed against them, rarely hesitate to note that the majority of immigrants are law-abiding. Often, they go further, adding that immigrants commit fewer crimes than the native-born. A 1997 paper jointly sponsored by the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace and the Urban Institute typifies this view:5 Few stereotypes of immigrants are as enduring, or have been proven so categorically false over literally decades of research, as the notion that immigrants are disproportionately likely to engage in criminal activity (If anything) immigrants are disproportionately unlikely to be criminal. http://www.cis.org/articles/2001/crime/toc.html#fear --- Data from the 5 percent Public Use Microsample (PUMS) of the 2000 census were used to measure the institutionalization rates of immigrants and natives, focusing on males 18 to 39, most of whom are in correctional facilities. Of the 45.2 million males age 18 to 39, three percent were in federal or state prisons or local jails at the time of the 2000 census a total of over 1.3 million, in line with official prison statistics at that time. ...In fact, the incarceration rate of the US born (3.51 percent) was four times the rate of the foreign born (0.86 percent). The foreign-born rate was half the 1.71 percent rate for non-Hispanic white natives, and 13 times less than the 11.6 percent incarceration rate for native black men. ...Tellingly, among the foreign born, the highest incarceration rate by far (4.5 percent) was observed among island-born Puerto Ricans, who are not immigrants as such since they are US citizens by birth and can travel to the mainland as natives. If the island-born Puerto Ricans were excluded from the foreign-born totals, the national incarceration rate for the foreign born would drop to 0.68 percent. Of particular interest is the finding that the lowest incarceration rates among Latin American immigrants are seen for the least educated groups: Salvadorans and Guatemalans (0.52 percent), and Mexicans (0.70 percent). These are precisely the groups most stigmatized as illegals in the public perception and outcry about immigration. http://www.migrationinformation.org/Feature/display.cfm?id=403 --- Apparently you ARE xenophobic, eh?
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Movement news?
Isn't that what happens when flowing water freezes, melts, freezes again? Hmmm. Must have missed that science class or sumpin' --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TurquoiseB Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 9:13 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Movement news? It's getting harder and harder to tell the put-ons from the reality where the TMO is concerned. Should this one be true, and the divine form of the ice deity be similar to this Indian one, HYPERLINK http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Lord_Amarnath.jpghttp://en.wikipedia.or g/wiki/Image:Lord_Amarnath.jpg It probably is something like that, but smaller. Theres an old photo of MMYs visit to that place. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1190 - Release Date: 12/19/2007 7:37 PM Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
[FairfieldLife] Re: Watch Ron Paul OWN this Fox news turd
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: Watch Ron Paul OWN this Fox news turd: AWESOME Dr. Paul ! http://youtube.com/watch?v=dcLSLGXypMY OffWorld The most refreshing and honest responses to this issue I've ever seen. For most political stances politicians can basically mail in their comments and responses. It's like when athletes are interviewed in locker rooms after the game. Their responses are virtually all the same and the pat answers are rote. Not in this case. Paul's actually addressing the issue and explicitly NOT pandering to political correctness is wonderful to see. But why do you refer to Cavutto as a turd? Did you find him somehow disrespectful of Dr. Paul? I didn't and don't think he is worthy of being called a turd. Well, maybe your right. I almost just called him a 'nurd', but changed it to 'turd' because it rymed with nurd . Seriously though (that part above is actually true), I have seen this guy use strawman attacks and sleazy attempts at entrapment on Dr. Paul before, and then not give time for him to give a proper response, and like many interviewers fill up more than half the interview with their own opinions. However, this guy doesn't seem as bad as some of the other maniacs on the evil Fox news empire, and he was more professional this time around. He got seriously owned though ! Dr. Paul ROCKS ! OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Watch Ron Paul OWN this Fox news turd
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: Watch Ron Paul OWN this Fox news turd: AWESOME Dr. Paul ! http://youtube.com/watch?v=dcLSLGXypMY OffWorld The most refreshing and honest responses to this issue I've ever seen. For most political stances politicians can basically mail in their comments and responses. It's like when athletes are interviewed in locker rooms after the game. Their responses are virtually all the same and the pat answers are rote. Not in this case. Paul's actually addressing the issue and explicitly NOT pandering to political correctness is wonderful to see. But why do you refer to Cavutto as a turd? Did you find him somehow disrespectful of Dr. Paul? I didn't and don't think he is worthy of being called a turd. Well, maybe your right. I almost just called him a 'nurd', but changed it to 'turd' because it rymed with nurd . Seriously though (that part above is actually true), I have seen this guy use strawman attacks and sleazy attempts at entrapment on Dr. Paul before, and then not give time for him to give a proper response, and like many interviewers fill up more than half the interview with their own opinions. However, this guy doesn't seem as bad as some of the other maniacs on the evil Fox news empire, and he was more professional this time around. He got seriously owned though ! Dr. Paul ROCKS ! OffWorld If he doesn't get the Republican nomination, do you want to see him run independently?
[FairfieldLife] Re: point of no return passed? TM-Jihad
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The future for the 21st century is research published in respected peer-reviewed scientific journals. Period. Get used to it. -OffWorld Dear Off_World, I am with you on this. Jon Hagelin is too and he is a bone-fide scientist apparently. Well, sorry, please don't put the word 'TM jihad' in my mouth. I am barely even talking about TM. I am talking about research published in peer-reviewed respected scientific journals. TM has a lot, but I am adamantly talking about scientific process here, and respect for that. Not TM alone. And those who are not with us? Evidently negative tending social parasites as a TM-TB'er as Nabby might say it Dangerous to society by concluding your reasoning. I don't understand this point. Yes, research published in peer- reviewed respected scientific journals is king in the 21st century, if that it what you are asking. Jon Hagelin in the FF Ledger: Extensive published research shows that coherence and positivity is created in collective consciousness when a small number of people practice the Transcendental Meditation and more advanced Yogic Flying techniques together in a group- The Invincible America Assembly is raising the quality of collective consciousness and behavior throughout society to be more harmonious, more life supporting. And Nature is responding more positively. End of story I think this would be a good addition and replication to the previous research if, and only if, it gets published in a respected peer- reviewed scientific journal. Yes, that is my experience. Off_World, whoever you are, Luv to Thee Off_W in this your TM-jihad. That would be YOUR TM-jihad Doug. Not mine. Stop saying that stuff about TM-jihad please. That is a fundamentlist's term and I am only interested in research published in peer-reviewed respected scientific journals. I consider religion and other unproven philosophic ideas and techniques as a kind of poison to science. It must be given strong evidence, or move out the way. I don't care what it is, I only care about evidence under proper scientific peer-review. Thanks, good luck with your jihad Doug. But for all those anti-science freaks on FFL, much as it pains them each time they hear it, the future belongs to research published in peer-reviewed respected scientific journals. Get used to it. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: For Curtis and Judy-- was Guitarist's Dream
Thanks for your post. I'm glad you appreciate the same roots blues style I love so much. The amazing thing for me is how aptly they express the human drama beyond their own circumstances. I Grew up about as far away from their circumstances as possible, but when I hear a harmonica wail, it struck me to my core. Still does! In a similar vein, learning the common human ground I share with people who I started out misunderstanding, or just focused on the differences, here on FFL has been valuable for me. Not to go all Vedanta on your ass, but seeing myself in others (in a relative way), takes some time, but it has a big payoff for me. I am not always successful, but when it happens, it feels right. Music is a fantastic common ground to stand on isn't it? Thanks for your post and for checking out Peg Leg. I think that video is one of my best finds this year! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thought you might have missed this reply when I posted it originally, so I've copied it below--didn't want you to think I was unappreciative! message #157849 Re: Guitarist's Dream Thanks for the tip Curtis. I finally watched the video (still had to use Real Player as the Quicktime version wouldn't work for me)and have a listen. Great stuff. It's interesting how you get those little pockets of style, from folks being from the same location and relatively isolated. I watched the Peg Leg Sam video too. Talk about trying to gain some perspective on others' Points of View--the origin of that music and the lives they led is close to incomprehensible to me. And their experiences came out of not just what they were born into, but the centuries of slavery and poverty before that, backed by songs and culture from Africa. It's bizarre to think that that tiny region produced such powerful music that it has influenced all of popular music throughout the western world. We're lucky to have films like that and works like Honeyboy Edwards' autobiography to give us that history and make it more real. What a trip it must be for him to be touring in Europe at his age, playing the blues music of his sharecropping youth in Mississippi! And for all of those guys who got rediscovered with the folk revival, to find themselves playing that music to white middle class audiences. It's a strange world. As is FFL. I haven't posted here much for various reasons, time being one of them, but reading the posts has definitely helped me to become less judgmental--about people--and more tolerant of differing POVs (or is it (PsOV?), which I really appreciate. Probably good for me to listen more than I talk too. ;) As you say about some of the music, food , and people, some of it takes a few looks before the taste is appreciated. :) Since you and Judy are the two main interlocutors in this part of the thread, while I'm at it, Ill say thanks to both of you for your willingness to engage with each other and keep talking through your differences. It's been a positive thing for the whole list to have two such interesting people willing to engage on the level you do even if there may be things on which you will (probably) never agree. IMO you both rock, and deserve big kudos. Cheers snip --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip Have you ever heard Jack Owens who plays in this Bentonia style? He doesn't have the falsetto style but uses the minor tuned guitar. I think Judy would like him better than Skip because he has more warmth both in vocals and feeling. http://tinyurl.com/28hfnc You're right. At least, he appeals to me more immediately. Sometimes it takes me awhile to appreciate music that isn't emotionally juicy up front. But if I spend the time to sort of internalize it, often I end up finding drier music much more moving.
[FairfieldLife] Re: point of no return passed?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: According to the article in the link below, we have or will shortly pass the point of no return on global warming. Not all, but most of us, according to this article are majorly screwed beyond the point of no return. http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2007/12/10/165845/92 Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Angela, have you seen the documentary The Great Global Warming Swindle yet? I don't see global warming as technically the real problem. I think poisonous pollution, lack of food (fish stocks are all disappearing, and other food sources), and degradation of nature are the real problem. But I do think the attempt by Neocons such as yourself to divert the issue by highlighting global warming is very dangerous, because you do not then add to that by saying, however., 'we face other, maybe related, very serious problems with pollution though' - which is essentially my position. There is a lot of shit coming down the tubes at us much faster than global warming will likely occur, and much more devastating, but related in that if you focus on those things you solve global warming by default. So once again the Neocon ignorance has ensnared you in their greedy game to ignore ethics and conscience (just like they did with you over the Iraq war) OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: point of no return passed? TM-Jihad
I spent a month with David OJ studying the collected papers. Some published research is better than others. One critical context to evaluate about research is what conclusions are being drawn from the studies. This is an area were even some good movement studies fall down IMO. In other words, it is possible to do a good study on improvements on a rod and frame test. It is another thing to extrapolate that this means that mediators have a more stable internal state of reference. Although I share your enthusiasm for the scientific method as a tool to expand knowledge, I don't forget that it is always humans using this tool. It is never practiced in purity. The TM studies are not all on one level of reliability, published or not. David went into a lot of detail about which tests were more rigorous than others. Getting published is only one aspect in evaluating the credibility of scientific research. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I AM THE ONLY ONE on FFL that is that open minded on the topic, NO. So Curtis states that he is open to scientific research. Thank God someone here FFL is not an anti-science freak like Huckabee, Ted Haggard, George Bush, Jerry Falwell, Rush Limbaugh. Curtis also believes in research published in respected peer reviewed scientific journals, and that the more studies on a topic the more robust is its stated outcomes and effects. Good for you Curtis, for standing up for science and research published in respected peer reviewed scientific journals. Science is the only hope for humankind, not these anti-science clowns like the Neocons that want to take us back to the dark ages, and people like Turq, Lurk, Burt, Squirt, and Boo, Ru, Sue, and Poo, and other anti- science freaks here on FFL OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Heart of TM-jihad as expressed by Off_World: you are not remotely qualified to make that judgment. Only scientists are, and they have overwhelmingly found the science in TM studies to be robust. That is why sceintists at the NIH gave $20 million (and rising) in research money to Maharishi University, and more than 5 major universities in the US are currently engaged in research on TM. Over 200 studies in peer- reviewed scientific journals... and STILL anti-science people like you ( a lot like George Bush and the anti-evolution crowd) want to destroy science and everything it has built. Your type belong in the dark ages. Science is the future, and peer-reveiwed published research is your future but you are afraid of it. Get used to it, it is not going away despite the best efforts of you anti-science people. To me there is no lower people than anti-science people like the fundie Christians and fundie Muslims. OffWorld http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/157512 TM-Jihad!!!TM-Jihad!TM-Jihad!TM-JihadTM- Jihad That is typical of anti-science fundies to say things I did not say. Your 'TM-Jihad' words you pin on me because of being an anti- science fundamentalist. I am not interested in TM philosophy or beliefs...I said that I would go by research only, wether it goes against TM, or for TM. I AM THE ONLY ONE on FFL that is that open minded on the topic, and can say with hinesty that, for society at large, I will go by what peer-reviewed research published finds. Period. I only go by research published in respected peer-reviewed scientific journals. I am the only one on FFL that has said I will change my mind if the research changes. I, unlike the anti-science crowd, am the ONLY one on FFL that STATES CLEARLY that I would change, based on solid research as stated above. This makes everyone else on this board an anti-science fundamentalist. I will change my mind on the whole thing if even only 1/4 of the research published in respected peer-reviewed journals goes the other way. I will change my recommendations of the practice on that basis alone. But fundamentlaists put words in your mouth which were not there, because they are afraid of the truth. They want to keep believing in santa- claus and the tooth fairy and uncorroborated claims. I don't. My experiences are tremendous, but to me that is no proof of anything whatsoever. Only research published in respected peer-reviewed scientific journals is proof of anything. The anti-science crowd on FFL want to ignore science, and just like the anti-science nuts among the Neocons
[FairfieldLife] Re: Watch Ron Paul OWN this Fox news turd
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: Seriously though (that part above is actually true), I have seen this guy use strawman attacks and sleazy attempts at entrapment on Dr. Paul before, and then not give time for him to give a proper response, and like many interviewers fill up more than half the interview with their own opinions. However, this guy doesn't seem as bad as some of the other maniacs on the evil Fox news empire, and he was more professional this time around. He got seriously owned though ! Dr. Paul ROCKS ! OffWorld If he doesn't get the Republican nomination, do you want to see him run independently? Only if he wants to at the time. He has worked hard, and has tried that before, and got basically locked out by ridiculous process as third parties do in this country. However, if he didn't get the nomination, what I personally would LOVE to see, as it would be an awesome thing to watch, but I know will never happen, would be Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich (Kucinich got locked out of democratic TV debates recently), maybe Ralph Nadar, and maybe Mike Gravel, and a couple of others join in a third party. They have more in common than people think, and it would be an AWESOME force, especially with Ron Paul's massive growing following now, and with Kucinich having such a strong base, as well as of course Nadar. It would be AWESOME to watch and VERY HEATHY for American politics and the marketplace of ideas, even if they didn't win. Course they would hae to come to concensus on some issues, but they, more than others, are very good concensus builders. I am still hoping to see Ron Paul finish his bid for Republican nomination and give him a fair chance , he might actually win. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: point of no return passed? TM-Jihad
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I spent a month with David OJ studying the collected papers. Some published research is better than others. One critical context to evaluate about research is what conclusions are being drawn from the studies. This is an area were even some good movement studies fall down IMO. In other words, it is possible to do a good study on improvements on a rod and frame test. It is another thing to extrapolate that this means that mediators have a more stable internal state of reference. Although I share your enthusiasm for the scientific method as a tool to expand knowledge, I don't forget that it is always humans using this tool. It is never practiced in purity. The TM studies are not all on one level of reliability, published or not. David went into a lot of detail about which tests were more rigorous than others. Getting published is only one aspect in evaluating the credibility of scientific research. That is fairly common in science, and that is why the rigor aspect needs to be constantly refined, and a lot of the TM research was found be more robust than most studies in any science. But I am sad to hear you say that you are throwing out ALL of modern science because it doesn't suit your opinion. On that idea are fascist states born. I won't go down that road. THE ONLY (I stress, THE ONLY) way for people to agree on things in the world are through study and replication under validated conditions. A LOT of the most important research on TM is robust, and only anti-science freaks bring up the argument that if 1 in 10 of them is not strong, then they are, by default , ALL of them weak. That is the way of the Neocons and I am appalled to see so many people here on FFL, like Boo, Ru, Poo, Lurk, Turq, Smirk, Jurk, Curt, and Burt, all acting EXACTLY like the Neocons when something in science does not suit their opinion. I am appalled. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Looking for Yogic Flying video
Can anyone help with this? I’m looking for the exact date of the first Yogic Flying demonstration undertaken at the Berkeley, CA TMC. – I believe mid-week, during the day, early 1980”s? I was one of 12 who performed; I am looking for a copy of any video documentation created – something from one of the local news agencies would be ideal. Short of the actual video, I can use any contact info that might put me in the right direction. I am in touch with Bob Mackenzie of KTVU in the Bay Area – he’s willing to help, but can’t without some calendar reference. The video will be included on my web site (in development) as part of an historical overview of my art. Thank you, Ted Somogyi HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] HYPERLINK http://www.probertart.com/www.probertart.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1190 - Release Date: 12/19/2007 7:37 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: point of no return passed? TM-Jihad
But I am sad to hear you say that you are throwing out ALL of modern science because it doesn't suit your opinion. On that idea are fascist states born. What are you talking about? Do you think that my lack desire to do TM means that I am rejecting science? Do you believe that the research into the benifits of TM means that everyone should do it? I rejected the states TM was developing in me for my own personal reasons. It has nothing to do with a chart that shows that chilling out with TM in fact chills you out. Perhaps TM isn't the only way to chill out. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I spent a month with David OJ studying the collected papers. Some published research is better than others. One critical context to evaluate about research is what conclusions are being drawn from the studies. This is an area were even some good movement studies fall down IMO. In other words, it is possible to do a good study on improvements on a rod and frame test. It is another thing to extrapolate that this means that mediators have a more stable internal state of reference. Although I share your enthusiasm for the scientific method as a tool to expand knowledge, I don't forget that it is always humans using this tool. It is never practiced in purity. The TM studies are not all on one level of reliability, published or not. David went into a lot of detail about which tests were more rigorous than others. Getting published is only one aspect in evaluating the credibility of scientific research. That is fairly common in science, and that is why the rigor aspect needs to be constantly refined, and a lot of the TM research was found be more robust than most studies in any science. But I am sad to hear you say that you are throwing out ALL of modern science because it doesn't suit your opinion. On that idea are fascist states born. I won't go down that road. THE ONLY (I stress, THE ONLY) way for people to agree on things in the world are through study and replication under validated conditions. A LOT of the most important research on TM is robust, and only anti-science freaks bring up the argument that if 1 in 10 of them is not strong, then they are, by default , ALL of them weak. That is the way of the Neocons and I am appalled to see so many people here on FFL, like Boo, Ru, Poo, Lurk, Turq, Smirk, Jurk, Curt, and Burt, all acting EXACTLY like the Neocons when something in science does not suit their opinion. I am appalled. OffWorld
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Electric piano?
Stu wrote: g guitar and the lack of practice was showing big time. s. You must have more time on your hands these days for music? ;-) I can always find a Sunday afternoon to go over to my buddy Eric's house and play a few tunes. Two old duffers with guitars. If we keep it up we could be playing nursing homes soon. s. I played nursing homes in high school. But that was back in the days when there was a musician's union and they had these funds to pay for charitable performances. :)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Catching the Big Fish - David Lynch
Stu wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu buttsplicer@ wrote: Been really enjoying reading Catching the Big Fish. In short chapters David Lynch talks about his TM experience and how it affects his creative spirit. Its really inspiring. Thanks for the tip, Stu, although I have to admit to not being inspired enough by Lynch's creativity as a filmmaker to want to read about how he got there. It's just a taste thing. I have always been a huge fan of Lynch's. I remember seeing Eraser Head at the Roxie(San Francisco) as a midnight movie back in '81. I was with filmmaker George Kuchar that night. He made a pass at me. I saw it back then too in Seattle on a double bill with Night of the Living Dead. One of the folks on my Sidhis course was Clay Anderson who was one of Lynch's buddies in art school. Bryan Fuller did not want to cross the picket lines to polish the cut. That gave me the opportunity to do it myself. I had a great time. There was a lame scene of Emerson giving Abner Newsome the reward money to finish that story. I got to shoot that piece of Abner Newsome getting his new heart. Wrote the narration for that area as well. Then replaced the old scene. They gave me a crew for a day to make some fixes like that. Had a really fun creative time. Darn! My HDHomeRun card chewed that episode so I probably missed that part. Good to hear you're getting to do some directing. I am hoping when the strike ends they will let me direct one. You probably don't want to say but do you think it will end? I wonder given that so many film students are graduating from colleges nowadays that the supply way exceeds the demand and so Hollywood unions may be on the way out. OTOH, the unions could screw Hollywood enough to put those big corporate run dinosaurs out of business. I've read some rambling of the union folks exploring new avenues rather than working for the studios. I never watch reality shows and so will probably trim my monthly welfare contributions to Comcast if this keeps up. :) Mad Men is the best thing out there. What a great world of hard drinking misogynistic guys. The art direction alone makes it a winner. Sometimes the stories move a little slow, but that may be an AMC budget thing. Loved Mad Men but did you see Brotherhood? Sort of like the Sopranos without the gimmicks. 19.BEST PERFORMANCE BY AN ACTRESS IN A TELEVISION SERIES –COMEDY OR MUSICAL 4. ANNA FRIEL – PUSHING DAISIES She is s cute. She is tiny in real life. As tiny as Chenowith? I am always amazed at how short some of these folks can be and yet how they make them look otherwise. I met James Caan back in 1972 when he was shooting Cinderella Liberty in Seattle and he's a short guy they make look bigger than life. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: point of no return passed? TM-Jihad
off_world_beings wrote: That is fairly common in science, and that is why the rigor aspect needs to be constantly refined, and a lot of the TM research was found be more robust than most studies in any science. But I am sad to hear you say that you are throwing out ALL of modern science because it doesn't suit your opinion. On that idea are fascist states born. I won't go down that road. THE ONLY (I stress, THE ONLY) way for people to agree on things in the world are through study and replication under validated conditions. A LOT of the most important research on TM is robust, and only anti-science freaks bring up the argument that if 1 in 10 of them is not strong, then they are, by default , ALL of them weak. That is the way of the Neocons and I am appalled to see so many people here on FFL, like Boo, Ru, Poo, Lurk, Turq, Smirk, Jurk, Curt, and Burt, all acting EXACTLY like the Neocons when something in science does not suit their opinion. I am appalled. OffWorld Okay, show me the peer-reviewed studies with tests between say: TM, SYDA Yoga, Sivananda Meditation, Vipassana, etc., etc. Those to my knowledge don't exist because TM would never allow it and neither would some of the others. What would you find: that TM is no better than any other technique. BTW, what do you teach? One of the liberal arts?
[FairfieldLife] blame it on Star Trek
A Rabbi writes (USA Today blog section): Rabbi wrote: Actually, come to think of it, Star Trek has definitely contributed to my rejection of religious principles!! I remember the first time I saw Who Mourns for Adonais - wherein the erstwhile crew of the Enterprise (A, if you will ) stumble upon the lonely God Apollo, the last of the remaining figures of Greek mythology after they all retired' to a planet far away. I remember thinking, yeah, that makes as much sense as what those Biblical stories claim about Yaweh talking with Adam in the Garden of Eden or walking with Moses in the desert. But, as I said earlier, I grew up in Sci-Fi household accepting of science and rejecting the myths and fairy-tales of scientifically illiterate cultures as just that: make believe stories!! So blame it on Star Trek!!
[FairfieldLife] Re: point of no return passed? TM-Jihad
Comment below: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I spent a month with David OJ studying the collected papers. Some published research is better than others. One critical context to evaluate about research is what conclusions are being drawn from the studies. This is an area were even some good movement studies fall down IMO. In other words, it is possible to do a good study on improvements on a rod and frame test. It is another thing to extrapolate that this means that mediators have a more stable internal state of reference. Although I share your enthusiasm for the scientific method as a tool to expand knowledge, I don't forget that it is always humans using this tool. It is never practiced in purity. The TM studies are not all on one level of reliability, published or not. David went into a lot of detail about which tests were more rigorous than others. Getting published is only one aspect in evaluating the credibility of scientific research. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I AM THE ONLY ONE on FFL that is that open minded on the topic, NO. So Curtis states that he is open to scientific research. Thank God someone here FFL is not an anti-science freak ... **snip to end** Thanks for the insider perspective, Curtis. It seems to me that the whole universe (particularly human endeavor) is fundamentally and purely experimental in nature. You do something and something else happens; oftentimes it seems like there is a causal connection between the two events and to the degree that you like or dislike the second event you modify your behavior accordingly with the intention of either repeating or avoiding a same or similar result. The modified behavior may or may not produce the result you anticipate and you modify behavior again. All subsequent behavior and experience branch out from there. We all keep doing this throughout our lives and apparently that's the way the universe goes about its business, too. The experiment with religion that we humans are so enthralled with just seems to have a long data collection timeline compared to a human lifetime and it seems to have to go through many generations of human experimenters and many different iterations of form before enough data will have been compiled before a significant portion of the population come to a different conclusion regarding its ultimate value (even though a lot of folks have come to a provisional decision regarding its worth based on other people's recommendations). Those of us who read and post at FFL, on the other hand, have all been lucky vis-a-vis our experience with Maharishi and the TMO in that we've had the opportunity to evaluate some of the results of this religion experiment with individuals who have been represented to be the fulfilled beneficiaries of the promise of religion (Maharishi, Guru Dev, Jim, Rory, Dr. Pete, Tom, etc.). (And for purposes of this post I take it as a given that the promise of Maharishi's programs, including his meditation, is the fulfillment of the standard promises of religion; not only his initial message with the SRM but even at the peak of the scientific charts and the Merv Griffin wave of initiations, that was spoken of openly and clearly; and the current use of language re the will of God is also a reiteration of that.) It seems to boil down to one of two different metrics in evaluating the worth of religion (including TM as either a component of one's independent religious practice, or as the necessary component of the quasi-Hindu TMO religion): either, (1) how it makes you feel on the inside (including the body), or (2) how it makes you act on the outside. My own experience to date is that is makes me feel fine on the inside and feel that I'm a better actor and a better person in the world at large, as well. However, it seems clear that some folks who claim the the interior benefits don't act in the world in a way that I'd recommend anyone emulate. Consequently, I'd have to go with goodness, compassion, peacefulness and charity as being in the long run the better metric for the world at large. I have clients whose experiences on illicit drugs rival anything I've experienced in meditation or after (and the compelling nature of those experiences argue convincingly for their authenticity) but whose outward behavior is a source of ultimate distress for themselves and the world around them. Good experiences but bad behavior. Like many here who have taught and promoted TM in the past, I was ready, willing and able to be less than candid or truthful about the TMO or its programs if I felt that the ultimate result would be that someone would learn meditation or continue meditation based on what
[FairfieldLife] Breaking
very funny link unless you've got concepts about the U.S. that are incompatible with this kind of humor: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/12/19/144638/87/724/424384 Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: point of no return passed? TM-Jihad
Marek Like many here who have taught and promoted TM in the past, I was ready, willing and able to be less than candid or truthful about the TMO or its programs if I felt that the ultimate result would be that someone would learn meditation or continue meditation based on what I told them. I look back on that now and regret having bought into that mindset. That was an incorrect choice and bad behavior on my part. There are times when perfect candor may be inappropriate but for the most part honesty and transparency is better, particularly in promoting a program for the upliftment of society. To the degree Maharishi or anyone in the TMO has departed from that, then to that degree I feel that they have devalued their stated purpose and have failed. Nice to hear from you again Marek. As usual you served up some thoughtful material. I attribute my youthful (up to age 31 so not sooo young!) infatuation with pushing TM in its brochure sanitized form to be a result of my own lack of comfort living with imperfection. One of the greatest gifts of aging has been the necessity to accept life on imperfect terms that I would have rejected when I believed in perfection. Now the idea of perfection in any area of my life seems like such a boor. Definitely not something to aspire for anymore. I've been reading Jon Kabat-zin's books lately and tried his meditation a few times. It made me wonder what the result of MMY's life work is really. It does seem like a cool thing that he got so many people to take a chill pill and meditate. But then somehow it didn't seem to stick. I wonder if it was too much to ask for even 20 minutes twice a day. 10 minutes once a day might be more realistic. But then all the inflated claims about what meditation did for a person made it into a group of believers. I wonder if the sidhis knocked out most of the casual meditators. That was probably too bad. I think that the centering effect of meditaton may be something people would benefit from. But who wants to associate with a group that is claiming yogic flyers? Mostly people who can swallow some of the beliefs about TM's spiritual connection I guess. Now we have some idea that the group most devoted to TM, and presumably most representative of its long term effects, aren't exactly coming through with much of interest for me. Buying into the Raja nonsense is an important line of beliefs in the movement. I think I can relate to any long term meditator who gets the joke about those guys. If they can't, I really feel there is a serious disconnect with my values. Mystical experiences within religious beliefs has always been such a tiny portion any religion, that I don't think we really know much about this yet. Since most of the ancient experiences were made at a time when mental illness was not separated out, I think we have to be cautious of using some famous examples of mystics as proof of anything. I have spent some time with people who were in the grips of mental illness and they are quite sure about themselves and their divine nature sometimes. Very sure. Me, not so much. I think your criteria of connecting virtues with inner experiences is valid although a lot of post have been devote to the idea that you can't. Any state that doesn't show improvement in how a person treats others seems highly suspect to me. All good rambles must come to an end. You posts always get me thinking so thanks for that Marek! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comment below: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I spent a month with David OJ studying the collected papers. Some published research is better than others. One critical context to evaluate about research is what conclusions are being drawn from the studies. This is an area were even some good movement studies fall down IMO. In other words, it is possible to do a good study on improvements on a rod and frame test. It is another thing to extrapolate that this means that mediators have a more stable internal state of reference. Although I share your enthusiasm for the scientific method as a tool to expand knowledge, I don't forget that it is always humans using this tool. It is never practiced in purity. The TM studies are not all on one level of reliability, published or not. David went into a lot of detail about which tests were more rigorous than others. Getting published is only one aspect in evaluating the credibility of scientific research. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I AM THE ONLY ONE on FFL that is that open minded on the topic, NO. So Curtis states that he is open to scientific research. Thank God someone here FFL is not an
Re: [FairfieldLife] blame it on Star Trek
2007-12-20
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Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It?
Would you please forward the link for this rabbi's remark? On 12/20/07, tertonzeno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A Rabbi writes (USA Today blog section): Rabbi wrote: Actually, come to think of it, Star Trek has definitely contributed to my rejection of religious principles!! I remember the first time I saw Who Mourns for Adonais - wherein the erstwhile crew of the Enterprise (A, if you will…) stumble upon the lonely God Apollo, the last of the remaining figures of Greek mythology after they all retired' to a planet far away. I remember thinking, yeah, that makes as much sense as what those Biblical stories claim about Yaweh talking with Adam in the Garden of Eden or walking with Moses in the desert. But, as I said earlier, I grew up in Sci-Fi household – accepting of science and rejecting the myths and fairy-tales of scientifically illiterate cultures as just that: make believe stories!! So blame it on Star Trek!!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: point of no return passed?
I haven't, but I don't doubt the possibility that it is a swindle. And in a
situation like that, it is friggin' hard to know the truth. a
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According to the article in the link below, we have or will shortly
pass the point of no return on global warming. Not all, but most of
us, according to this article are majorly screwed beyond the point of
no return.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: point of no return passed?
I posted the article, Off, did I say I also agree with it?
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Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: point of no return passed?
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--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Angela Mailander
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According to the article in the link below, we have or will
shortly
pass the point of no return on global warming. Not all, but most
of
us, according to this article are majorly screwed beyond the point
of
no return.
http://gristmill. grist.org/ story/2007/ 12/10/165845/ 92
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Angela, have you seen the documentary The Great Global Warming
Swindle yet?
I don't see global warming as technically the real problem. I think
poisonous pollution, lack of food (fish stocks are all disappearing,
and other food sources), and degradation of nature are the real
problem. But I do think the attempt by Neocons such as yourself to
divert the issue by highlighting global warming is very dangerous,
because you do not then add to that by saying, however., 'we face
other, maybe related, very serious problems with pollution though' -
which is essentially my position. There is a lot of shit coming down
the tubes at us much faster than global warming will likely occur,
and much more devastating, but related in that if you focus on those
things you solve global warming by default.
So once again the Neocon ignorance has ensnared you in their greedy
game to ignore ethics and conscience (just like they did with you
over the Iraq war)
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[FairfieldLife] Re: blame it on Star Trek
- It's in the Idea Blog 2/3-rd the way down the page, an interesting string on the Rabbi's comments, at: http://www.tinyurl.com/2zd2gq -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would you please forward the link for this rabbi's remark? On 12/20/07, tertonzeno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A Rabbi writes (USA Today blog section): Rabbi wrote: Actually, come to think of it, Star Trek has definitely contributed to my rejection of religious principles!! I remember the first time I saw Who Mourns for Adonais - wherein the erstwhile crew of the Enterprise (A, if you will ) stumble upon the lonely God Apollo, the last of the remaining figures of Greek mythology after they all retired' to a planet far away. I remember thinking, yeah, that makes as much sense as what those Biblical stories claim about Yaweh talking with Adam in the Garden of Eden or walking with Moses in the desert. But, as I said earlier, I grew up in Sci-Fi household accepting of science and rejecting the myths and fairy-tales of scientifically illiterate cultures as just that: make believe stories!! So blame it on Star Trek!!
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Question about levitation...
2007-12-20
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Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It?
Hello Jeffrey, Levitating our own bodies, another life form's or a [seemingly] inanimate object will have to do, in part, to quantum physics. Today physicists are inclined to perceive gravity as a field or fields of waves, much the same as magnetic waves as we see with iron filings on a sheet of paper with an elongated magnet on the other side of the paper. Thus, reorienting such fields can and will result in levitating oneself or others. How this can be done can seem rather clinical, though it must be said that, other than an emergency, yet even within emergencies as well, levitation, at best, results from sublime love steady and constant. More exactingly, and demonstrative of this steady love, the key players in yogic terms of causing levitation include, at the forefront of its cause: pratyahara, dharana, pranayama, and ishvara pranidhana. Levitation can also be a symptom of raising the kundalini above the third chakra. The quakes some people experience during deep concentration, the ones that seem like the Earth is shaking when in fact it is not occur when the kundalini transcends the upper portions of the 3rd chakra on its way to the 4th. When you experience levitation it will resemble, greatly so, the feelings of fluent flying in your dreams. Everyone does it, though not everyone remembers doing it when they are awake. For people who do remember flying in their dreams, and even more so when they are lucidly aware of flying while it's happening and have learned to control their flight, can choose their location and destination and the company they keep while flying, the feeling they get while flying in their dreams closely resembles what it feels like when levitating. At the moments when levitation occurs, something of an effervescent sparkle flutters from the top of the belly below the sternum up to, at least, the heart, and quite probably the throat, lips and into the nostrils. It may even feel like you are inhaling something special at such moments, something subtly sweet and soft as well as effervescent, and a sweet juice exudes below the tongue. While Sci-fi special effects on TV may or may not come from someone who has actually experienced what is portrayed in the movies, that light show you see in the torsos of people on Star Trek when teleporting is just beginning closely resembles the kinesthetic experience you have just as levitation, and other occult capabilities, are about to begin. If you are comfortable with flying in your dreams, and you can create the experience while awake, you are most of the way toward inducing levitation for the prana is flowing just right to make it reality for you. Subtle confirmation within that you accept the opportunity to fly physically will help create the reality. When a person, early in their practice in making levitation real, is feeling the moment when it seems about to occur, preserving the equilibrium of both mind, body and prana, mudras may facilitate fulfilling the occurrence, especially of arms and eyes. Most likely arms close to and in front of the chest will facilitate levitation during wakefulness, and typically, while eyes are open or closed, they may be moved up and back even while looking straight ahead or upwards. The eyes serve as a controlling device, a tuner, much like the tongue does, especially when applied to the roof of the mouth. It's often found that looking down, especially too quickly or out of shock when realizing you are levitating will force your body to the ground too quickly, so be careful with your gaze and eye direction till you gain more experience through practice. A common way of buffering a fall from gazing downward will be to look straight ahead and extend your arms out from your belly as though they were laid upon the arms of an armchair, palms downward applying mild pressure. With practice arm or leg mudras will not be necessary anymore. As for the mundane physics of levitation, it may become a bit more common within our lifetimes. The magnetic resonance of Earth, called the Schumann factor, has been measured and just a few decades was marked at 32 [of what I don't remember], while the magnetic resonance of humans is typically in the low 20s. [If there's a name for human magnetic resonance I don't remember what it is, please post what it is if anyone knows.] Currently the magnetic resonance of Earth is somewhere in the mid or low 20s. The closer these two match, the greater an increase such synchrony will synergize to facilitate many occult capabilities of humans, even for those who are not well practiced or well prepared for their occurrence. With such a matching resonance empathy across the planet will be hugely enhanced as will communication with others harmonic within this matrix. This is very likely going to happen within our lifetimes. Any questions? Contact me. On 8/12/07, Jeffrey Cook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, I just joined this group today and have a couple of
Re: [FairfieldLife] Question about levitation...
2007-12-20
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Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It?
Sorry if my reply was too wide for reading, here it is at 60 spaces: Hello Jeffrey, Levitating our own bodies, another life form's or a [seemingly] inanimate object will have to do, in part, to quantum physics. Today physicists are inclined to perceive gravity as a field or fields of waves, much the same as magnetic waves as we see with iron filings on a sheet of paper with an elongated magnet on the other side of the paper. Thus, reorienting such fields can and will result in levitating oneself or others. How this can be done can seem rather clinical, though it must be said that, other than an emergency, yet even within emergencies as well, levitation, at best, results from sublime love steady and constant. More exactingly, and demonstrative of this steady love, the key players in yogic terms of causing levitation include, at the forefront of its cause: pratyahara, dharana, pranayama, and ishvara pranidhana. Levitation can also be a symptom of raising the kundalini above the third chakra. The quakes some people experience during deep concentration, the ones that seem like the Earth is shaking when in fact it is not occur when the kundalini transcends the upper portions of the 3rd chakra on its way to the 4th. When you experience levitation it will resemble, greatly so, the feelings of fluent flying in your dreams. Everyone does it, though not everyone remembers doing it when they are awake. For people who do remember flying in their dreams, and even more so when they are lucidly aware of flying while it's happening and have learned to control their flight, can choose their location and destination and the company they keep while flying, the feeling they get while flying in their dreams closely resembles what it feels like when levitating. At the moments when levitation occurs, something of an effervescent sparkle flutters from the top of the belly below the sternum up to, at least, the heart, and quite probably the throat, lips and into the nostrils. It may even feel like you are inhaling something special at such moments, something subtly sweet and soft as well as effervescent, and a sweet juice exudes below the tongue. While Sci-fi special effects on TV may or may not come from someone who has actually experienced what is portrayed in the movies, that light show you see in the torsos of people on Star Trek when teleporting is just beginning closely resembles the kinesthetic experience you have just as levitation, and other occult capabilities, are about to begin. If you are comfortable with flying in your dreams, and you can create the experience while awake, you are most of the way toward inducing levitation for the prana is flowing just right to make it reality for you. Subtle confirmation within that you accept the opportunity to fly physically will help create the reality. When a person, early in their practice in making levitation real, is feeling the moment when it seems about to occur, preserving the equilibrium of both mind, body and prana, mudras may facilitate fulfilling the occurrence, especially of arms and eyes. Most likely arms close to and in front of the chest will facilitate levitation during wakefulness, and typically, while eyes are open or closed, they may be moved up and back even while looking straight ahead or upwards. The eyes serve as a controlling device, a tuner, much like the tongue does, especially when applied to the roof of the mouth. It's often found that looking down, especially too quickly or out of shock when realizing you are levitating will force your body to the ground too quickly, so be careful with your gaze and eye direction till you gain more experience through practice. A common way of buffering a fall from gazing downward will be to look straight ahead and extend your arms out from your belly as though they were laid upon the arms of an armchair, palms downward applying mild pressure. With practice arm or leg mudras will not be necessary anymore. As for the mundane physics of levitation, it may become a bit more common within our lifetimes. The magnetic resonance of Earth, called the Schumann factor, has been measured and just a few decades was marked at 32 [of what I don't remember], while the magnetic resonance of humans is typically in the low 20s. [If there's a name for human magnetic resonance I don't remember what it is, please post what it is if anyone knows.] Currently the magnetic resonance of Earth is somewhere in the mid or low 20s. The closer these two match, the greater an increase such synchrony will synergize to facilitate many occult capabilities of humans, even for those who are not well practiced or well prepared for their occurrence. With such a matching resonance empathy across the planet will be hugely enhanced as will communication with others harmonic within this matrix. This is very likely going to happen within our lifetimes. Any questions? Contact me. On 8/12/07, Jeffrey Cook [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: blame it on Star Trek
2007-12-20
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Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It?
Thanks for the link, Tert, seems like a lively blog of insightful folks. On 12/20/07, tertonzeno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - It's in the Idea Blog 2/3-rd the way down the page, an interesting string on the Rabbi's comments, at: http://www.tinyurl.com/2zd2gq -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would you please forward the link for this rabbi's remark? On 12/20/07, tertonzeno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A Rabbi writes (USA Today blog section): Rabbi wrote: Actually, come to think of it, Star Trek has definitely contributed to my rejection of religious principles!! I remember the first time I saw Who Mourns for Adonais - wherein the erstwhile crew of the Enterprise (A, if you will…) stumble upon the lonely God Apollo, the last of the remaining figures of Greek mythology after they all retired' to a planet far away. I remember thinking, yeah, that makes as much sense as what those Biblical stories claim about Yaweh talking with Adam in the Garden of Eden or walking with Moses in the desert. But, as I said earlier, I grew up in Sci-Fi household – accepting of science and rejecting the myths and fairy-tales of scientifically illiterate cultures as just that: make believe stories!! So blame it on Star Trek!!
Re: [FairfieldLife] blame it on Star Trek
You are assuming that ancient cultures interpreted their myths literally, as
you seem to do, but this is not the case. The play Oedipus Tyrannus by
Sophocles deals with this issue (among others) Oedipus believes the myths (and
the oracle), taking both literally as a young man. But when he gets older, he
rejects them all because, like any thinking adult, he figures out that they
cannot be true in any literal sense. It does not occur to him, however, to
seek their truth in spiritual rather than factual terms. That, in fact, is one
definition of his blindness, which becomes literal because it was a
precondition of his mind and consciousness. So, as far back as 429 BC, ancient
Greeks understood this situation. Myth is not science and cannot be read or
understood as such. It is always false as such. But that doesn't mean that it
is incapable of communication great spiritual truths and insights. We live in
a fundamentalist age, and we could say that
our culture suffers from the kind of blindness Oedipus also suffered from. In
that sense, the play is prophesy. It is absolutely stunning that a Rabbi
doesn't have the education to understand his own religious tradition as myth
and rejects it on the grounds that it is not literal truth. It was never meant
as literal truth, and the only people who interpreted it as such were the
uneducated masses. A play like Oedipus was intended as an educational play.
It was also intended as a spiritual experience, but if taken literally, it is
a set of unbelievable coincidences, even if it serves as grist for the
psychologist's mill.
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Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 2:54:11 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] blame it on Star Trek
A Rabbi writes (USA Today blog section):
Rabbi wrote:
Actually, come to think of it, Star Trek has definitely contributed
to my rejection of religious principles!!
I remember the first time I saw Who Mourns for Adonais - wherein
the erstwhile crew of the Enterprise (A, if you will…) stumble upon
the lonely God Apollo, the last of the remaining figures of Greek
mythology after they all retired' to a planet far away.
I remember thinking, yeah, that makes as much sense as what those
Biblical stories claim about Yaweh talking with Adam in the Garden of
Eden or walking with Moses in the desert.
But, as I said earlier, I grew up in Sci-Fi household – accepting of
science and rejecting the myths and fairy-tales of scientifically
illiterate cultures as just that: make believe stories!!
So blame it on Star Trek!!
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Movement news?
--Hey Thanks for the info.Any idea when the VD Diety nectar will be for sale?$108 per ml sounds too good to be true!:)Kevin In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More half-truths and rumors--everyone knows that Maharishi is in silence and has passed rule of the movement to the Rajas. What this report doesn't say is that the confirmation was communicated by Maharishi to Raja Emmanuel telepathically, whereupon Raja Emannuel instructed the denizens of Vedic City to gather around chanting Invincible Vedic Drainpipe Deity, which they dutifully did. Global Good news should have pictures soon. And contrary to what Rick says below, the discharge is not due to the deity's nose running -- it's Invincible Vedic Drainpipe (VD) Deity Ambrosia and far from trying to eliminate it, it will be sold once the pundits have chanted over it, allegedly for as little as $108 per ml. Invincible VD Deity Nactar can cure a multitude of disorders depending on the mantras used, the time of year, the nakshatra of the moon etc. OK now this is just rumor, but word is that a special refrigeration room is not real necessary. The deity can be kept cold and intact using only the legendary compassion of the TMO. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Dateline MVC: This just in too. Auspicious happenings in Maharishi Vedic City; A deity in the form of an ice sculpture has emerged just recently in M. Vedic City from a drain pipe. Maharishi was contacted in Vlodrop Holland and asked about it he confirmed it. Also instructed people in M.Vedic City to save it. The project has taken the form of a special refrigerated room built to install the ice of the form. Rich donors are encouraged to go to the room and make offerrings. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Snip That's right Sal. And the liquid coming out of the drain pipe isn't really water draining off the roof. It's the deity's nose running. Antihistamines are being poured into the top of the pipe to help the deity. Antihistamines in such quantities are expensive, so donations are being solicited.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Paul and the Federal Reserve
I am still hoping to see Ron Paul finish his bid for Republican nomination and give him a fair chance , he might actually win. OffWorld The latest ABC/Washington Post has Paul essentially tied for third place with Thomson and Giuliani: http://www.cnsnews.com/news/viewstory.asp? Page=/Politics/archive/200712/POL20071220c.html But I believe the way the polls work they underestimate Paul's supporters more than the others, so yes an upset win is certainly possible. Anyway this poll means he's no longer second tier as the MSM's appointed first tier McCain is now 6th in Iowa with 6%. Getting rid of the Federal Reserve is bravest part of Paul's platform. The last time a Congressman spoke like that was in 1932: We have in this country one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve Banks. Some people think the Federal Reserve Banks are U.S. government institutions. They are not government institutions. They are private credit monopolies which prey upon the people of the U.S. for the benefit of themselves and their foreign and domestic swindlers, and rich and predatory money lenders. - Chairman Louis T. McFadden, House Banking and Currency Committee, June 10, 1932. He died of food poisoning in suspicious circumstances some time later. This CNBC interview in my view represents the single bravest political statement in many years and a is a great sign of hope that honesty will prevail in leadership in the US over covert special interests.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Atheist Delusion
I could be wrong, but I think you might have misunderstood
me. It’s true what you say about TM
providing a way out of the conceptual world of language. (It’s also true that
enough folks do in fact
have access to that transcendental realm even without a technique).
But, as long as you allow the manifestion of words (Word) in
your awareness, there will, necessarily, be concepts. The process of writing
is the creation of a
viable, conceptual world. That means
there are not only concepts, but layers of them—universes of discourse and each
one full of layers—and, true, as you grasp layer after layer of abstraction,
the is indeed silence.
Which will give birth to form (Word)
one way or another, eternally
Or so we think.
So, as long as you and I are talking to each other, there
will be concepts. You say in another
post, for example,
What
the ancients had was very different social and intellectual needs. Their
world had no place for individuality, consciousness expansion, cooperation,
equality. These were attributes that did not really find a footing until
the European enlightenment.
With this knowledge, with this evolution of consciousness, with this growth, we
include the ancients and transcend them. Our hope is found in a world
without petty anthropomorphic expressions of god or gods. We know words just
devalue the infinity bliss that is
found in the nameless.
This is a conceptual
structure. There are underlying
assumptions under each statement which are themselves conceptual structures.
And there these have more
fundamental assumptions under them etc.
And we could also go in the other direction: the world of run-way forever
implications.
Now, without all that verbiage,
can you just be...
And the answer is, yes, of course,
if you have learned to maintain TC right along with activity, but in that
state, there would be nothing to say, would there, and we are talking…
As long as we have lives to
maintain, we cannot avoid conceptual worlds.
That is what I meant. Of course
this does not mean that you can’t transcend those concepts.
And in this case, I hope you can
transcend your own conceptual constructs because they are not accurate
reflections of the “ancients.” The
presocratics had techniques for transcending and consciousness expansion.
- Original Message
From: Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 12:33:26 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Atheist Delusion
--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ ...
wrote:
s.
Forgive the doggerel, but our conceptions of reality are no better than other
people's conceptions of reality. They're conceptions, that's all. None of
us confuse a picture of a tiger with a tiger, yet when it comes to words, we
make that same mistake all the time. One conception of reality is not better
than another except in its usefulness for a certain purpose. Religions have
a variety of purposes, not all of them bad. The best religions include an
escape hatch, some clue that they are only maps, pictures, vehicles, but
are not to be confused with reality.
Speak for yourself. I suggest that through meditation we train ourselves to
see the world beyond conceptions. As we allow the mind to settle conceptions
fall away and what is left is what is really really there. Here. Now. Unity.
As a result it is possible to discern the clinging to conceptions in our selves
and others. The work becomes about letting go.
Most religions are about chasing an end that will never be found. The
monotheistic religions are most guilty of trying to find the real through
symbols. In the beginning... It is as if they are going to name everything in
the world and tackle death this way. What a waste of time and breath. Not to
mention the disservice these misconceived actions bring upon our own humanity.
s.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Watch Ron Paul OWN this Fox news turd
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: Watch Ron Paul OWN this Fox news turd: AWESOME Dr. Paul ! http://youtube.com/watch?v=dcLSLGXypMY OffWorld The most refreshing and honest responses to this issue I've ever seen. For most political stances politicians can basically mail in their comments and responses. It's like when athletes are interviewed in locker rooms after the game. Their responses are virtually all the same and the pat answers are rote. Not in this case. Paul's actually addressing the issue and explicitly NOT pandering to political correctness is wonderful to see. Ron Paul - the more I hear, the more I like. Intense grassroot support is being ignored by the major media. R P is not invited to the party. Third-party access to the ballot since Ross Perot's threat in '92 has systemically been made nearly impossible. It used to be easy to gain third party access to the presidential ballot. Not now. For example, the NLP only needed one designated representative per congressional district to volunteer his name to represent the NLP in order to place Hagelin's name on the ballot in a southern U.S. state in '96. If that southern state had 10 members of Congress, then only 10 people with NLP affilitation were needed to get Hagelin's name on the ballot. Since the Perot threat, the major parties went to work to make third-party access to the presidential ballot nearly impossible. Ron Paul will have a very hard time getting on the ballot as a third-party presidential candidate. I think he has much more support than the 'polls' indicate. Go, Ron - keep speaking Truth to Power !!!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Movement news?
-It could be Shalijit, which I take every day - probably 1/3 gram. Small amounts are sufficient. It's a compactified type of peat, with humic and fulvic acids. A distinctive property is the chelation to toxic heavy metals. The closest Western product is Metal Magnet, a product originating from an ancient bed of Hungarian peat.: Shalajit-bitumenous pitch Bitter, slightly pungent, warm An Ayurvedic mineral remedy used to enhance immune function and tonify the heart, liver, and kidneys. It is hepatoprotective, antiinflammatory, antihistamine, and gastroprotective. It is used clinically to treat diabetes, hepatitis, constipation, digestive disorders, cancer, degenerative kidney disease (use with Cordyceps), and anemia. -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shanti18411 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --Hey Thanks for the info.Any idea when the VD Diety nectar will be for sale?$108 per ml sounds too good to be true!:)Kevin In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 no_reply@ wrote: More half-truths and rumors--everyone knows that Maharishi is in silence and has passed rule of the movement to the Rajas. What this report doesn't say is that the confirmation was communicated by Maharishi to Raja Emmanuel telepathically, whereupon Raja Emannuel instructed the denizens of Vedic City to gather around chanting Invincible Vedic Drainpipe Deity, which they dutifully did. Global Good news should have pictures soon. And contrary to what Rick says below, the discharge is not due to the deity's nose running -- it's Invincible Vedic Drainpipe (VD) Deity Ambrosia and far from trying to eliminate it, it will be sold once the pundits have chanted over it, allegedly for as little as $108 per ml. Invincible VD Deity Nactar can cure a multitude of disorders depending on the mantras used, the time of year, the nakshatra of the moon etc. OK now this is just rumor, but word is that a special refrigeration room is not real necessary. The deity can be kept cold and intact using only the legendary compassion of the TMO. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Dateline MVC: This just in too. Auspicious happenings in Maharishi Vedic City; A deity in the form of an ice sculpture has emerged just recently in M. Vedic City from a drain pipe. Maharishi was contacted in Vlodrop Holland and asked about it he confirmed it. Also instructed people in M.Vedic City to save it. The project has taken the form of a special refrigerated room built to install the ice of the form. Rich donors are encouraged to go to the room and make offerrings. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Snip That's right Sal. And the liquid coming out of the drain pipe isn't really water draining off the roof. It's the deity's nose running. Antihistamines are being poured into the top of the pipe to help the deity. Antihistamines in such quantities are expensive, so donations are being solicited.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Looking for Yogic Flying video
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Can anyone help with this? I'm looking for the exact date of the first Yogic Flying demonstration undertaken at the Berkeley, CA TMC. I believe mid-week, during the day, early 1980s? I was one of 12 who performed; I am looking for a copy of any video documentation created something from one of the local news agencies would be ideal. Short of the actual video, I can use any contact info that might put me in the right direction. I am in touch with Bob Mackenzie of KTVU in the Bay Area he's willing to help, but can't without some calendar reference. The video will be included on my web site (in development) as part of an historical overview of my art. Thank you, Ted Somogyi Friday, August 15th, 1986.(See page 542 of M's program to Create World Peace, Global Inauguration, Demonstrating the Mechanics to Create Coherence in World consciousness, the Basis of World Peace - 1987.) A reprinted article from the 18 Aug., 1986, Daily Californian, Berkeley, covers you and the other 11 apostles, with pictures of the demonstration that took place the previous Friday (the 15th). Post a fax no. and I'll fax the article. Enjoy the memories. -Mainstream
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Paul and the Federal Reserve
Sorry this was a different interview, it was CNBC's Mad Money Show last Friday I was thinking you were referring to: www.youtube.com/watch?v=UftFzstHwxE If you've not seen this - it's INCREDIBLE. I cannot believe such an anti establishment view is getting aired by the host of the show on CNBC and echoed by Ron Paul. Best YouTubes for Ron Paul at www.RonPaulforPresident2008.com --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Brian Horsfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am still hoping to see Ron Paul finish his bid for Republican nomination and give him a fair chance , he might actually win. OffWorld The latest ABC/Washington Post has Paul essentially tied for third place with Thomson and Giuliani: http://www.cnsnews.com/news/viewstory.asp? Page=/Politics/archive/200712/POL20071220c.html But I believe the way the polls work they underestimate Paul's supporters more than the others, so yes an upset win is certainly possible. Anyway this poll means he's no longer second tier as the MSM's appointed first tier McCain is now 6th in Iowa with 6%. Getting rid of the Federal Reserve is bravest part of Paul's platform. The last time a Congressman spoke like that was in 1932: We have in this country one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve Banks. Some people think the Federal Reserve Banks are U.S. government institutions. They are not government institutions. They are private credit monopolies which prey upon the people of the U.S. for the benefit of themselves and their foreign and domestic swindlers, and rich and predatory money lenders. - Chairman Louis T. McFadden, House Banking and Currency Committee, June 10, 1932. He died of food poisoning in suspicious circumstances some time later. This CNBC interview in my view represents the single bravest political statement in many years and a is a great sign of hope that honesty will prevail in leadership in the US over covert special interests.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Movement news?
I'll be happy to make one in Raams. I'll kick in as well. Since it will be for a good cause, management should not mind if I come in over the weekend and use their color printer to print off a few thousand of my Super Coherent All-American Money notes. --- Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 20, 2007, at 10:24 AM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote: Dear Sal, i got to go to work right now. However, people can probably confirm this and make donations calling Maharishi Vedic City offices. They are not completely exclusive up there about money, proly they would take anyone's offerrings whether humble or large. Whew! I was getting worried there for a minute. The offerrings would probably all go to the same place, don't you think? Oh, absolutely. :) They can easily deduct from checking accounts to make it real easy to get your money. Credit cards too proly. Dollars, Euros Raams. I'll be happy to make one in Raams. Sal Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Paul and the Federal Reserve
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Brian Horsfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am still hoping to see Ron Paul finish his bid for Republican nomination and give him a fair chance , he might actually win. OffWorld The latest ABC/Washington Post has Paul essentially tied for third place with Thomson and Giuliani: YES ! ! ! YES ! ! ! YES ! ! ! GO RON PAUL ! OffWorld http://www.cnsnews.com/news/viewstory.asp? Page=/Politics/archive/200712/POL20071220c.html But I believe the way the polls work they underestimate Paul's supporters more than the others, so yes an upset win is certainly possible. Anyway this poll means he's no longer second tier as the MSM's appointed first tier McCain is now 6th in Iowa with 6%. Getting rid of the Federal Reserve is bravest part of Paul's platform. The last time a Congressman spoke like that was in 1932: We have in this country one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve Banks. Some people think the Federal Reserve Banks are U.S. government institutions. They are not government institutions. They are private credit monopolies which prey upon the people of the U.S. for the benefit of themselves and their foreign and domestic swindlers, and rich and predatory money lenders. - Chairman Louis T. McFadden, House Banking and Currency Committee, June 10, 1932. He died of food poisoning in suspicious circumstances some time later. This CNBC interview in my view represents the single bravest political statement in many years and a is a great sign of hope that honesty will prevail in leadership in the US over covert special interests.
[FairfieldLife] Deep Science and Narrow Science
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wX_W1BB_0M The three strands of deep science—injunction, apprehension, confirmation—give us a reliable methodology for learning about both the world without and the world within. Want to know what the moons of Jupiter look like? Look through a telescope. Want to know what satori is? Sit down and count your breaths. While you're at it, have a couple friends do the same thing, and then compare notes. After all, if your experience of satori involves becoming one with a jelly donut, you, um, might want to see if that happened to anyone else
[FairfieldLife] Re: point of no return passed? TM-Jihad
Comments [interleaved]: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marek Like many here who have taught and promoted TM in the past, I was ready, willing and able to be less than candid or truthful about the TMO or its programs if I felt that the ultimate result would be that someone would learn meditation or continue meditation based on what I told them. I look back on that now and regret having bought into that mindset. That was an incorrect choice and bad behavior on my part. There are times when perfect candor may be inappropriate but for the most part honesty and transparency is better, particularly in promoting a program for the upliftment of society. To the degree Maharishi or anyone in the TMO has departed from that, then to that degree I feel that they have devalued their stated purpose and have failed. Nice to hear from you again Marek. As usual you served up some thoughtful material. I attribute my youthful (up to age 31 so not sooo young!) infatuation with pushing TM in its brochure sanitized form to be a result of my own lack of comfort living with imperfection. One of the greatest gifts of aging has been the necessity to accept life on imperfect terms that I would have rejected when I believed in perfection. Now the idea of perfection in any area of my life seems like such a boor. Definitely not something to aspire for anymore. [Yes, I agree, and similarly, when I left the movement and later stopped meditating for many years, one wonderful consequence was finally being able to be with people rather than draw some imaginary (but inviolate) distinction between them and me; that distinction being their status in re TM -- meditator/non-meditator. That fundamental difference made all the difference in how I related to that person from then on. One of the things I love about my work is the opportunity to learn firsthand how very much alike we all are regardless of how we place on the socio-economic or intellectural scales, or the spiritual scale for that matter.] I've been reading Jon Kabat-zin's books lately and tried his meditation a few times. It made me wonder what the result of MMY's life work is really. It does seem like a cool thing that he got so many people to take a chill pill and meditate. But then somehow it didn't seem to stick. I wonder if it was too much to ask for even 20 minutes twice a day. 10 minutes once a day might be more realistic. But then all the inflated claims about what meditation did for a person made it into a group of believers. I wonder if the sidhis knocked out most of the casual meditators. That was probably too bad. I think that the centering effect of meditaton may be something people would benefit from. But who wants to associate with a group that is claiming yogic flyers? Mostly people who can swallow some of the beliefs about TM's spiritual connection I guess. [Had never heard of Jon Kabat-zin until now; for sure I'm going to check into what he says/teaches. Can you say anything more about what you learned? It's trite to say, but I think that Maharishi just hit the mark when the time was ripe; and he had a good meditation that was particularly well-suited for the masses; there were a number of competing systems around the time when I learned, Ananda Marga, ISKCON, Stephen Gaskin, Ram Das, Krishnamurti, Rajneesh in the 80s. All those movements had pretty big numbers for a while but they didn't have the staying power of TM. I know of some people who learned TM in the 70s and who continue to meditate regularly, if only once a day; and I met a woman sometime last year who told me that she had learned TM in the 80s and meditated twice a day for over 7 years and stopped for no particular reason around the time of a divorce. When we spoke she seemed kind of surprised that she had stopped; she said she'd always really enjoyed it and went to a couple of residence course. But the introduction of the siddhis really knocked the whole thing into a cocked hat. But it was so outrageous to claim levitation! Holy shit, I thought, that's got to be real because you couldn't just say that and not deliver! Holy Shit! People are flying! That's really pretty much the way I took it; it was so fucking amazing to find out that the age of miracles was right now! This was IT! Any lingering doubts I might have had went completely away. Experience re-introduced them to me later on. The effect on the growth curve of the TMO and the meditation movement was pretty obvious and dramatic.] Now we have some idea that the group most devoted to TM, and presumably most representative of its long term effects, aren't exactly coming through with much of interest for me. Buying into the Raja nonsense is an important line of beliefs in the movement. I think I can relate to any long term meditator who gets the joke about those
[FairfieldLife] Re: point of no return passed? TM-Jihad
the only metric worth using is the measurement of how much social good does any action promote. Off_W you're trying to stay un-involved but what you think about this observation of Marek? Like, where are you going with your defending peer review TM research if not also a TM-jihad in these times, with any worthwhile metric? With every fibre of your being. the only metric worth using is the measurement of how much social good does any action promote. -Doug in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Actually, I think it was you, Curtis, and/or New.Morning (among others) who got me thinking that the only metric worth using is the measurement of how much social good does any action promote. So I still feel meditation is an intelligent thing to do (quoting Richard Williams), both as an end in itself and as an adjunct to a good and purposeful life.] Comments [interleaved]: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Marek Like many here who have taught and promoted TM in the past, I was ready, willing and able to be less than candid or truthful about the TMO or its programs if I felt that the ultimate result would be that someone would learn meditation or continue meditation based on what I told them. I look back on that now and regret having bought into that mindset. That was an incorrect choice and bad behavior on my part. There are times when perfect candor may be inappropriate but for the most part honesty and transparency is better, particularly in promoting a program for the upliftment of society. To the degree Maharishi or anyone in the TMO has departed from that, then to that degree I feel that they have devalued their stated purpose and have failed. Nice to hear from you again Marek. As usual you served up some thoughtful material. I attribute my youthful (up to age 31 so not sooo young!) infatuation with pushing TM in its brochure sanitized form to be a result of my own lack of comfort living with imperfection. One of the greatest gifts of aging has been the necessity to accept life on imperfect terms that I would have rejected when I believed in perfection. Now the idea of perfection in any area of my life seems like such a boor. Definitely not something to aspire for anymore. [Yes, I agree, and similarly, when I left the movement and later stopped meditating for many years, one wonderful consequence was finally being able to be with people rather than draw some imaginary (but inviolate) distinction between them and me; that distinction being their status in re TM -- meditator/non- meditator. That fundamental difference made all the difference in how I related to that person from then on. One of the things I love about my work is the opportunity to learn firsthand how very much alike we all are regardless of how we place on the socio-economic or intellectural scales, or the spiritual scale for that matter.] I've been reading Jon Kabat-zin's books lately and tried his meditation a few times. It made me wonder what the result of MMY's life work is really. It does seem like a cool thing that he got so many people to take a chill pill and meditate. But then somehow it didn't seem to stick. I wonder if it was too much to ask for even 20 minutes twice a day. 10 minutes once a day might be more realistic. But then all the inflated claims about what meditation did for a person made it into a group of believers. I wonder if the sidhis knocked out most of the casual meditators. That was probably too bad. I think that the centering effect of meditaton may be something people would benefit from. But who wants to associate with a group that is claiming yogic flyers? Mostly people who can swallow some of the beliefs about TM's spiritual connection I guess. [Had never heard of Jon Kabat-zin until now; for sure I'm going to check into what he says/teaches. Can you say anything more about what you learned? It's trite to say, but I think that Maharishi just hit the mark when the time was ripe; and he had a good meditation that was particularly well-suited for the masses; there were a number of competing systems around the time when I learned, Ananda Marga, ISKCON, Stephen Gaskin, Ram Das, Krishnamurti, Rajneesh in the 80s. All those movements had pretty big numbers for a while but they didn't have the staying power of TM. I know of some people who learned TM in the 70s and who continue to meditate regularly, if only once a day; and I met a woman sometime last year who told me that she had learned TM in the 80s and meditated twice a day for over 7 years and stopped for no particular reason around the time of a divorce. When we spoke she seemed kind of surprised that she had stopped; she said she'd always really enjoyed
[FairfieldLife] Pimping for Paul
http://www.townhall.com/video/FoxNews/2176_071129- 17237_112907_live_hof_F1200
[FairfieldLife] Re: Watch Ron Paul OWN this Fox news turd
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: Seriously though (that part above is actually true), I have seen this guy use strawman attacks and sleazy attempts at entrapment on Dr. Paul before, and then not give time for him to give a proper response, and like many interviewers fill up more than half the interview with their own opinions. However, this guy doesn't seem as bad as some of the other maniacs on the evil Fox news empire, and he was more professional this time around. He got seriously owned though ! Dr. Paul ROCKS ! OffWorld If he doesn't get the Republican nomination, do you want to see him run independently? Only if he wants to at the time. He has worked hard, and has tried that before, and got basically locked out by ridiculous process as third parties do in this country. However, if he didn't get the nomination, what I personally would LOVE to see, as it would be an awesome thing to watch, but I know will never happen, would be Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich (Kucinich got locked out of democratic TV debates recently), maybe Ralph Nadar, and maybe Mike Gravel, and a couple of others join in a third party. When I read stuff like that, Off-Kilter, it just shows how much you misunderstand Paul. I suspect that the only thing that attracts you to Paul is his anti-war stance and that's what leads you to say that he could get in the same bed with Kucinich and Nader. Kucinich and Nader are polar opposites to Paul on virtually every issues EXCEPT the war. Kucinich is basically a Marxist and Nader is not far behind...they are both for government centrally controlling every possible thing; Paul is the opposite of this. You just don't get Paul and I suspect you never will. They have more in common than people think, and it would be an AWESOME force, especially with Ron Paul's massive growing following now, and with Kucinich having such a strong base, as well as of course Nadar. It would be AWESOME to watch and VERY HEATHY for American politics and the marketplace of ideas, even if they didn't win. Course they would hae to come to concensus on some issues, but they, more than others, are very good concensus builders. I am still hoping to see Ron Paul finish his bid for Republican nomination and give him a fair chance , he might actually win. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Watch Ron Paul OWN this Fox news turd
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: Seriously though (that part above is actually true), I have seen this guy use strawman attacks and sleazy attempts at entrapment on Dr. Paul before, and then not give time for him to give a proper response, and like many interviewers fill up more than half the interview with their own opinions. However, this guy doesn't seem as bad as some of the other maniacs on the evil Fox news empire, and he was more professional this time around. He got seriously owned though ! Dr. Paul ROCKS ! OffWorld If he doesn't get the Republican nomination, do you want to see him run independently? Only if he wants to at the time. He has worked hard, and has tried that before, and got basically locked out by ridiculous process as third parties do in this country. However, if he didn't get the nomination, what I personally would LOVE to see, as it would be an awesome thing to watch, but I know will never happen, would be Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich (Kucinich got locked out of democratic TV debates recently), maybe Ralph Nadar, and maybe Mike Gravel, and a couple of others join in a third party. When I read stuff like that, Off-Kilter, it just shows how much you misunderstand Paul. I suspect that the only thing that attracts you to Paul is his anti-war stance and that's what leads you to say that he could get in the same bed with Kucinich and Nader. Kucinich and Nader are polar opposites to Paul on virtually every issues EXCEPT the war. Kucinich is basically a Marxist and Nader is not far behind...they are both for government centrally controlling every possible thing; Paul is the opposite of this. You just don't get Paul and I suspect you never will. You are the polar opposite of Ron Paul Shempgurkin and you are desperately trying to join in. Ain't gonna happen for a warmonger. You will never be able to stand in a crowd of Ron Paul supporters and cheer for Ron Paul. You would shrivel up like a slug sprinkled with salt - you are a warmongering Neocon, and Ron Paul is so far from you, you are an alien in this arena. You are so old school that you are still in the last century. You were retarded when you supported the Iraq war, and are retarded when you say everything is just great with the environment, and your Neocon attitude makes you are the last person to belong with Ron Paul. You would disintigrate in squirming agony if you joined a Ron Paul crowd of supporers. You area Neocon. You, Bill O'Rielly, and Ted haggard belong together, but you will never understand Ron Paul. My video here below may help your old-school brain to find some evolution in your old age. You are like the old-school father in the movie Billy Elliot, where his obstinance for the old world finally leads him to the epiphany and freedom he finally experiences when he accepts his insignificance in the face of those who are greater than him, and he sees the pure aesthetic beauty of life for the first time as an old man. There is still a chance for you to join the 21st century, but not with your current sluggish mindset and Neocon retardation. It is amazing to me to percieve in you that your only hope for real happiness is a complete release of all that you are so far, and it will be like jumping out of an airplane for you for the first time, and you will leave everything of your old stagnant and retarded self behind, and fly into a future you do not yet understand, but you will see that it is beautiful and free, and that your old self has no place there. This is your future Shemp. http://youtube.com/watch?v=b6medYzZ58s OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] This isn't Jeffrey headquist again is it ?
I know Jeffrey Hedquist of Fairfield has done the narration for ads in the past, but is this also him? Sounds a little like him, but different. http://youtube.com/watch?v=4AmY-fW3gdc OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: blame it on Star Trek
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You are assuming that ancient cultures interpreted their myths
literally, as you seem to do, but this is not the case. The play
Oedipus Tyrannus by Sophocles deals with this issue (among others)
Oedipus believes the myths (and the oracle), taking both literally as
a young man. But when he gets older, he rejects them all because,
like any thinking adult, he figures out that they cannot be true in
any literal sense. It does not occur to him, however, to seek their
truth in spiritual rather than factual terms. That, in fact, is one
definition of his blindness, which becomes literal because it was a
precondition of his mind and consciousness. So, as far back as 429
BC, ancient Greeks understood this situation. Myth is not science
and cannot be read or understood as such. It is always false as
such. But that doesn't mean that it is incapable of communication
great spiritual truths and insights. We live in a fundamentalist
age, and we could say that
our culture suffers from the kind of blindness Oedipus also
suffered from. In that sense, the play is prophesy. It is
absolutely stunning that a Rabbi doesn't have the education to
understand his own religious tradition as myth and rejects it on the
grounds that it is not literal truth. It was never meant as literal
truth, and the only people who interpreted it as such were the
uneducated masses. A play like Oedipus was intended as
an educational play. It was also intended as a spiritual
experience, but if taken literally, it is a set of unbelievable
coincidences, even if it serves as grist for the psychologist's mill.
Angela, you've made an excellent point and observation here. The
ancients were not as unsophisticated as some people may think. For
example,
Among biblical scholars, Moses is credited for writing the first five
books of the Old Testament, which includes Genesis where the story of
the Garden of Eden is narrated. We can assume that many of the
stories in this book was handed down by oral tradition among the
Hebrews. And, it was Moses who wrote them in text for preservation
of the knowledge.
Christians are divided on how to interpret this story. The Catholic
Church regards the story to be a myth, but considers the moral and
faith message in the story to be factual. However, some Christian
denominations accept the story to be literally true. Hence, we have
a controversy in the USA regarding the teaching Darwin's theory of
evolution in public schools.
In the Hindu texts, stories are narrated and are embedded with
symbols which corroborate the message inteded by the author.
Specifically, there is a story in the Shrimad Bhagavatam of two
guards in heaven by the name of Jaya and Vijaya. These guards
prevented the entry of the four Kumaras, who looked like children but
are in reality very old and ancient seers, and who wanted to enter
the gates of heaven. Because of this act the two guards were cursed
by the Kumaras to live their next three lives on earth.
Many astrologers believe that there is much more to this story than
meets the eye. In a deeper sense, this story actually is presenting
a jyotish principle which states that the entry to heaven is shown in
the jyotish chart by the lunar node, Rahu and Ketu. And, salvation
can be attained by the observation of the four pillars of life, i.e.
dharma, artha, kama and moksha.
There are many stories like these in the Hindu texts which shows that
the ancients were very meticulous in conveying their messages through
words and symbols. Their stories cannot be regarded as simple myths
and fairy tales.
- Original Message
From: tertonzeno [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 2:54:11 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] blame it on Star Trek
A Rabbi writes (USA Today blog section):
Rabbi wrote:
Actually, come to think of it, Star Trek has definitely contributed
to my rejection of religious principles!!
I remember the first time I saw Who Mourns for Adonais - wherein
the erstwhile crew of the Enterprise (A, if you willâ¦) stumble
upon
the lonely God Apollo, the last of the remaining figures of Greek
mythology after they all retired' to a planet far away.
I remember thinking, yeah, that makes as much sense as what those
Biblical stories claim about Yaweh talking with Adam in the Garden
of
Eden or walking with Moses in the desert.
But, as I said earlier, I grew up in Sci-Fi household â accepting
of
science and rejecting the myths and fairy-tales of scientifically
illiterate cultures as just that: make believe stories!!
So blame it on Star Trek!!
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