[FairfieldLife] Let's translate!

2008-09-06 Thread cardemaister
How about trying to come up with yer own translation
of a couple of rather simple clauses, or stuff,
from Vyaasa-bhaaSya IV 33:


dvayii ceyaM nityataa kuuTasthanityayaa pariNaaminityataa ca |
tatra kuuTasthanityataa puruSasya | pariNaaminityataa guNaanaam |

 dvaya  $ n. (fr. and in comp = %{dvi}) twofold , double , of 2 kinds
or sorts RV. AV. Br. MBh. c. (%{-ye} m. pl. S3is. iii , 57) ;
(%{I}[ = dvayii - card]) f. couple , pair Naish. Ra1jat. ; n. id
' ; two things , both (e. g. %{tejo-} , the 2 luminaries S3ak. iv , 2

ceyam  ca + iyam = and this

nityataaf. perpetuity , continuance , continual repetition of
(comp.) MBh. Sus3r. ; necessity Ma1rkP.

kUTasthamfn. standing at the top , keeping the highest position
Comm. on S3Br. i , 4 , 2 , 4 ; standing in a multitude of or in the
midst of (in comp.) BhP. i , 11 , 36 ;  (in phil.) immovable ,
uniform, unchangeable (as the soul , spirit , space , ether , sound , c.)

 pariNAma   m. change , alteration , transformation into (instr.) 
development , evolution Sa1m2khyak. Yogas. Pur. Sus3r. ; ripeness ,
maturity Kir. Uttarar. Ma1lati1m. ; alteration of food , digestion
Sus3r. Tarkas. 


tatra   (also %{-trA} RV.) ind. (%{ta4-tra} , correlative of %{ya4-tra}
; g. %{cA7di} , not in Ka1s3.) used for the loc. (sg. du. and pl.) of
%{ta4d} (q.v. Pa1n2. 5-3 , 10 ; vi , 3 , 35) RV. AV. Mn. c. ; in that
place , there (in comp. Pa1n2. 2-1 , 46) RV. c. ; thither , to that
place ib. ;  in that , therein , in that case , on that occasion 
under those circumstances , then , therefore 

puruSasyaof (the?) purusha, purusha's
guNaanaamof the guNas





[FairfieldLife] Todd has an independent soul?

2008-09-06 Thread cardemaister

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todd_Palin

He first registered to vote in 1989. From 1995 to 2002 he was
registered to vote as a member of the Alaskan Independence Party.[15]
According to Tucker Bounds, a spokesman for John McCain, Palin is now
a registered Republican. [2]

Todd Palin served as a judge in the 2008 Miss Alaska pageant.[16]





[FairfieldLife] Re: Michael Moore: Liberals, lay off Palin

2008-09-06 Thread Richard J. Williams
Bhairitu wrote:
 It's depressing to give this country over 
 to a bunch of C students, 

For once we seem to be in agreement. My current
grade point average is 3.5, whats's yours? I
wonder what kind of grades Michael Moore got
in school? From what I've read, Sarah Palin got
all 'A's. She graduated from college - I wonder
how many respondents on FFL have graduated. 

After reading here for a number of years, I'd 
say that none of the current informants ever 
got a degree from MUM. Correct me if I'm
wrong on this.

 dunderheads and pondscum or the lowest 
 common denominator.
 
Speaking of 'dunderheads', apparently you can't 
even read your own scriptures without using
Sanskrit flash cards. If so, then you'd be 
considered an llliterate in most villages in
India.

As for the 'pondscum', you're really in no
position to be calling the poor villagers of
rural India any names. Who said you had to be 
a scholar in order to love God?

 Such is the  road to idiocracy and the flaw 
 in democracy.
 
India is the world's largest democracy and I'm
sure it has some flaws, but what how would you
be knowing since you can't even read a Hindi 
newspaper, much less the Indian Constitution.
You probably don't even own a single copy of the
Times of India.

 I suppose the best thing you can do is separate 
 them and their money (which a lot of people 
 will be and are doing since they are easy marks.

Why do almost all your solutions to government 
include violence, anarchy, or scams to get money?

 Hey dummy, wanna buy a big pickup truck?) 
 
What happened to all that money you sent to the
Marshy for all those TM 'initiations'? 

 I'm a little more optimistic than that and hope
 that the masses see the wisdom in electing 
 someone who can hold an thoughtful and intelligent 
 conversation with other world leaders of their 
 IQ

Maybe we could set up a debate between Barak Obama 
and Osama bin Laden, without any pre-conditions.
That would really be a thoughtful and intelligent
conversation and would really resolve a lot of
issues. Maybe they could debate women attending
school like Sarah Palin did. 

 and not some guy who wants to remind you every 
 ten minutes that he was a POW so you feel sorry 
 for him with a VP who should not even be elected 
 a PTA chairman.

You could cast another spoiler vote if you wanted 
to. Or, you could vote for a community organizer
who never even joined the PTA or fought in a war.



[FairfieldLife] Fiscal conservatism

2008-09-06 Thread do.rflex


Presidents and fiscal conservatism:   
http://www.bartcop.com/fiscal-conservatives-808.jpg
==

US Budget Deficit or Surplus - 1961 to present - Click to enlarge:   
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/168/368978847_9f70bfd9c3_o.gif
==


McSame brags he voted over 90% of the time with Bush - Watch: 
http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1185304443/bctid1764144759 

or

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/09/05/open-thread-917/
==

Palin left Wasilla [pop approx 7000] $20 million in debt:
http://thinkprogress.org/wonkroom/2008/09/03/wasilla-in-debt/








[FairfieldLife] Re: Michael Moore: Liberals, lay off Palin

2008-09-06 Thread mainstream20016
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Bhairitu wrote:
  It's depressing to give this country over 
  to a bunch of C students, 
 
 For once we seem to be in agreement. My current
 grade point average is 3.5, whats's yours? I
 wonder what kind of grades Michael Moore got
 in school? From what I've read, Sarah Palin got
 all 'A's. She graduated from college - I wonder
 how many respondents on FFL have graduated. 
 
 After reading here for a number of years, I'd 
 say that none of the current informants ever 
 got a degree from MUM. Correct me if I'm
 wrong on this.

Your wrong.


 
  dunderheads and pondscum or the lowest 
  common denominator.
  
 Speaking of 'dunderheads', apparently you can't 
 even read your own scriptures without using
 Sanskrit flash cards. If so, then you'd be 
 considered an llliterate in most villages in
 India.
 
 As for the 'pondscum', you're really in no
 position to be calling the poor villagers of
 rural India any names. Who said you had to be 
 a scholar in order to love God?
 
  Such is the  road to idiocracy and the flaw 
  in democracy.
  
 India is the world's largest democracy and I'm
 sure it has some flaws, but what how would you
 be knowing since you can't even read a Hindi 
 newspaper, much less the Indian Constitution.
 You probably don't even own a single copy of the
 Times of India.
 
  I suppose the best thing you can do is separate 
  them and their money (which a lot of people 
  will be and are doing since they are easy marks.
 
 Why do almost all your solutions to government 
 include violence, anarchy, or scams to get money?
 
  Hey dummy, wanna buy a big pickup truck?) 
  
 What happened to all that money you sent to the
 Marshy for all those TM 'initiations'? 
 
  I'm a little more optimistic than that and hope
  that the masses see the wisdom in electing 
  someone who can hold an thoughtful and intelligent 
  conversation with other world leaders of their 
  IQ
 
 Maybe we could set up a debate between Barak Obama 
 and Osama bin Laden, without any pre-conditions.
 That would really be a thoughtful and intelligent
 conversation and would really resolve a lot of
 issues. Maybe they could debate women attending
 school like Sarah Palin did. 
 
  and not some guy who wants to remind you every 
  ten minutes that he was a POW so you feel sorry 
  for him with a VP who should not even be elected 
  a PTA chairman.
 
 You could cast another spoiler vote if you wanted 
 to. Or, you could vote for a community organizer
 who never even joined the PTA or fought in a war.






Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Michael Moore: Liberals, lay off Palin

2008-09-06 Thread Sal Sunshine

On Sep 6, 2008, at 8:30 AM, mainstream20016 wrote:


For once we seem to be in agreement. My current
grade point average is 3.5, whats's yours? I
wonder what kind of grades Michael Moore got
in school? From what I've read, Sarah Palin got
all 'A's. She graduated from college - I wonder
how many respondents on FFL have graduated.

After reading here for a number of years, I'd
say that none of the current informants ever
got a degree from MUM. Correct me if I'm
wrong on this.


Your wrong.


Sarah Palin apparently went to 5 or 6 colleges
before graduating, and her grades are unknown.

Sal




[FairfieldLife] Re: Michael Moore: Liberals, lay off Palin

2008-09-06 Thread curtisdeltablues
Sara is applying to run for president (in the case of a 3-4
time,cancer surviving, 72 year old, having a serious medical problem
in the next 4 years) and unlike all the other candidates, we have not
had enough time to understand who we are dealing with.  McCain is
bum-rushing us with her and we have two months to get to know her
before deciding if she should occupy the second most important
political position in the world. (That's right my European friends,
till China rises up and crushes us all, we are the last super power.)

The biggest problem we have with her is not people making sexist
comments.  That distraction is appropriate to any woman here who is
being treated that way in her own personal life. But it nothing to do
with how fast we have to find out who the person is who might end up
commanding a military that has only recently justified a pre-emptive
strike on another sovereign nation. (Same party, don't be fooled by
the frantic distancing going on.) So if you want to mention her
prom-ready updo while being very critical of her, consider yourself
forgiven in advance.  (women on FFL's mileage may vary)  The biggest
problem with Mitt Romney was not that he had Ken Doll hair, it was
what was under it that mattered, and the same is true with Sara. 

The American press got cowered after 9-11 by their fear of not seeming
patriotic enough.  They betrayed our public trust.  That goes double
for the Democratic party.  Bush used name-calling to dismantle the
whole system of checks and balances in our country.

Name calling!

So my advise to the press and the Democratic party is to ignore all
the word shields being used to keep you from sandblasting Sara Palin
from head to toe.  I want you so far up her ass I only see the heels
of your shoes.  I will forgive you if you need to apologize afterwards
for being a little rough on her.  We don't have the time to play nice
and she can take it if she is the real deal.  But I will never forgive
you if let he slip by with little scrutiny and she turns out to be
another George Bush disaster. 

Oh yeah, and the fact that she did not try to shove her wacky beliefs
about creationism being taught alongside intelligent design down the
throats of her independently oriented fellow Alaskans doesn't help the
fact that she equates these two completely different positions as
having equal scientific merit. Houston we have a big F'n problem here.
 I've already been down this road with George.  I understand the
implications when science and scripture are viewed as equally valid
POVs. (See I didn't call them old books either!) 

So do me proud American press and Democratic party.  I need to know,
and I need to know fast.  

The real difference between a pit bull and a hockey mom is that a
pit bull never gets deluded that it can be a heartbeat away from being
the president without being qualified, but a hockey mom can. I've
seen the lipstick (and lip liner) so I'm sure we are not dealing with
a pit bull here. 








--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 On Sep 6, 2008, at 8:30 AM, mainstream20016 wrote:
 
  For once we seem to be in agreement. My current
  grade point average is 3.5, whats's yours? I
  wonder what kind of grades Michael Moore got
  in school? From what I've read, Sarah Palin got
  all 'A's. She graduated from college - I wonder
  how many respondents on FFL have graduated.
 
  After reading here for a number of years, I'd
  say that none of the current informants ever
  got a degree from MUM. Correct me if I'm
  wrong on this.
 
  Your wrong.
 
 Sarah Palin apparently went to 5 or 6 colleges
 before graduating, and her grades are unknown.
 
 Sal





[FairfieldLife] Re: Michael Moore: Liberals, lay off Palin

2008-09-06 Thread Richard J. Williams
   After reading here for a number of years, I'd
   say that none of the current informants ever
   got a degree from MUM. Correct me if I'm
   wrong on this.
  
Sal wrote:
  Your wrong.
 
So, you got a degree from MUM. 

 Sarah Palin apparently went to 5 or 6 colleges
 before graduating, 

So what?

 and her grades are unknown.
 
Unknown to you, you mean.



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Michael Moore: Liberals, lay off Palin

2008-09-06 Thread Sal Sunshine

On Sep 6, 2008, at 9:20 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote:


Sara is applying to run for president (in the case of a 3-4
time,cancer surviving, 72 year old, having a serious medical problem
in the next 4 years)


You got that right, Curtis.


and unlike all the other candidates, we have not
had enough time to understand who we are dealing with.  McCain is
bum-rushing us with her and we have two months to get to know her
before deciding if she should occupy the second most important
political position in the world. (That's right my European friends,
till China rises up and crushes us all, we are the last super power.)

The biggest problem we have with her is not people making sexist
comments.  That distraction is appropriate to any woman here who is
being treated that way in her own personal life. But it nothing to do
with how fast we have to find out who the person is who might end up
commanding a military that has only recently justified a pre-emptive
strike on another sovereign nation. (Same party, don't be fooled by
the frantic distancing going on.) So if you want to mention her
prom-ready updo while being very critical of her, consider yourself
forgiven in advance.  (women on FFL's mileage may vary)  The biggest
problem with Mitt Romney was not that he had Ken Doll hair, it was
what was under it that mattered, and the same is true with Sara.

The American press got cowered after 9-11 by their fear of not seeming
patriotic enough.  They betrayed our public trust.  That goes double
for the Democratic party.  Bush used name-calling to dismantle the
whole system of checks and balances in our country.

Name calling!


Doesn't take much, does it?


So my advise to the press and the Democratic party is to ignore all
the word shields being used to keep you from sandblasting Sara Palin
from head to toe.  I want you so far up her ass I only see the heels
of your shoes.  I will forgive you if you need to apologize afterwards
for being a little rough on her.  We don't have the time to play nice
and she can take it if she is the real deal.  But I will never forgive
you if let he slip by with little scrutiny and she turns out to be
another George Bush disaster.

Oh yeah, and the fact that she did not try to shove her wacky beliefs
about creationism being taught alongside intelligent design down the
throats of her independently oriented fellow Alaskans doesn't help the
fact that she equates these two completely different positions as
having equal scientific merit. Houston we have a big F'n problem here.
 I've already been down this road with George.  I understand the
implications when science and scripture are viewed as equally valid
POVs. (See I didn't call them old books either!)

So do me proud American press and Democratic party.


You can be sure neither will.
Go ahead, press and Democratic Party--prove me wrong.


I need to know,
and I need to know fast.

The real difference between a pit bull and a hockey mom is that a
pit bull never gets deluded that it can be a heartbeat away from being
the president without being qualified, but a hockey mom can. I've
seen the lipstick (and lip liner) so I'm sure we are not dealing with
a pit bull here.


Sal




[FairfieldLife] Re: Michael Moore: Liberals, lay off Palin

2008-09-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
 The biggest problem we have with her is not people making
 sexist comments.  That distraction is appropriate to any
 woman here who is being treated that way in her own personal
 life.

I want to comment first on this subsidiary point,
because in its more general form, this theme has
come up for you a number of times here.

The paradigmatic response to this approach is the
famous poem that begins First they came for the
Jews... Obviously sexist attacks on Palin are
vanishingly trivial compared to the Holocaust,
but the larger point may not be.

Another version of the point is Cain's
question from the Bible, Am I my brother's
keeper?

Is it ethically OK to refrain from defending
someone who is being unfairly attacked when
one doesn't have a personal investment in the
quality or characteristic on which the attack
focuses? Is one absolved of responsibility in
such a case?

Do we consider all the white people who
participated in civil rights activities in the
South in the '60s and '70s to have been
*inappropriately* distracted by the racism they
were opposing, because they themselves had never
experienced it?

snip
 So my advise to the press and the Democratic party is to ignore
 all the word shields being used to keep you from sandblasting
 Sara Palin from head to toe.  I want you so far up her ass I
 only see the heels of your shoes.  I will forgive you if you
 need to apologize afterwards for being a little rough on her.
 We don't have the time to play nice and she can take it if she
 is the real deal.  But I will never forgive you if let he slip
 by with little scrutiny and she turns out to be another George
 Bush disaster.

Another way of looking at this is to ask whether
obsessing over Sarah Palin may have the
unintended consequence of allowing John McCain to
slip by with little scrutiny--not only because
there's a great deal to be scrutinized about him,
but also because a significant portion of the
electorate may *not* be willing to graciously
forgive us for being rough on her, and their
outrage may inspire them to vote for the McCain-
Palin ticket in protest (which was Michael Moore's
point).

And of course these two points are related. If
we spend all our energy deconstructing Sarah while
neglecting to do the same for McCain, those who are 
moved to protest our treatment of her by voting for
the Republican ticket won't have been given any
reason *not* to.

Finally, objections from the left to the sexist
attacks on Palin are not word shields designed
to protect her from scrutiny. They're objections
to sexism, period; the notion that we simply
cannot do a proper job on her without some sexism
creeping in is just a rationalization for indulging
in misogyny.

And as an aside, frankly, I find it difficult to
imagine that if she were a man with the same (lack
of) experience and the same personal characteristics,
she would exercise quite the same fascination over
the supporters of the opposition.

 Oh yeah, and the fact that she did not try to shove her wacky
 beliefs about creationism being taught alongside intelligent
 design down the throats of her independently oriented fellow 
 Alaskans doesn't help the fact that she equates these two 
 completely different positions as having equal scientific merit.

Actually, she's never said she thinks they have
equal scientific merit. For that matter, she's
never said she thinks the two are mutually
exclusive. There are scientists and religionists
who understand the two views as compatible. We
don't know enough about her religious and
scientific views to say whether she might be one
of them.

 Houston we have a big F'n problem here.

What you're saying, in essence, is that we need to
have a religious litmus test for the presidency. The
real F'n problem is that this cuts both ways: The
folks who like Sarah Palin could just as well demand
(and some have) that only committed fundamentalist/
evangelical Christians be entitled to the presidency.




[FairfieldLife] Re: Fiscal conservatism

2008-09-06 Thread shempmcgurk
Thank you, Bongo, for providing the first two excellent links.

This is what I've been saying for years on this forum: the 
Republicans' preach is completely different from the Republicans' 
practise.

They talk about small government but once in power do the exact 
opposite.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 
 Presidents and fiscal conservatism:   
 http://www.bartcop.com/fiscal-conservatives-808.jpg
 ==
 
 US Budget Deficit or Surplus - 1961 to present - Click to 
enlarge:   
 http://farm1.static.flickr.com/168/368978847_9f70bfd9c3_o.gif
 ==
 
 
 McSame brags he voted over 90% of the time with Bush - Watch: 
 
http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1185304443/bctid17641447
59 
 
 or
 
 http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/09/05/open-thread-917/
 ==
 
 Palin left Wasilla [pop approx 7000] $20 million in debt:
 http://thinkprogress.org/wonkroom/2008/09/03/wasilla-in-debt/





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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Michael Moore: Liberals, lay off Palin

2008-09-06 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Richard J. Williams
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 7:40 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Michael Moore: Liberals, lay off Palin

 

After reading here for a number of years, I'd 
say that none of the current informants ever 
got a degree from MUM. Correct me if I'm
wrong on this.

I have an MSCI from there and did the coursework for the Ph.D. in SCI, but
dropped out after that.

 



[FairfieldLife] Re: Michael Moore: Liberals, lay off Palin

2008-09-06 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 On Sep 6, 2008, at 8:30 AM, mainstream20016 wrote:
 
  For once we seem to be in agreement. My current
  grade point average is 3.5, whats's yours? I
  wonder what kind of grades Michael Moore got
  in school? From what I've read, Sarah Palin got
  all 'A's. She graduated from college - I wonder
  how many respondents on FFL have graduated.
 
  After reading here for a number of years, I'd
  say that none of the current informants ever
  got a degree from MUM. Correct me if I'm
  wrong on this.
 
  Your wrong.
 
 Sarah Palin apparently went to 5 or 6 colleges
 before graduating, and her grades are unknown.
 
 Sal



Democrats may want to tread carefully before you go down that road.

Remember what happened in the 2004 election: Dems dumped on Bush for 
having not so great grades while at Yale until it was revealed 
Kerrey, at Yale, had even worse grades.





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Michael Moore: Liberals, lay off Palin

2008-09-06 Thread Sal Sunshine

On Sep 6, 2008, at 10:34 AM, shempmcgurk wrote:



Democrats may want to tread carefully before you go down that road.

Remember what happened in the 2004 election: Dems dumped on Bush for
having not so great grades while at Yale until it was revealed
Kerrey, at Yale, had even worse grades.


Um, no it wasn't, shemp--repeating the same old lies
don't make them true.

Bush never revealed his grades, as I recall.  The source
for his terrific GPA was that fount of integrity,  his mother.

Sal




[FairfieldLife] Re: Michael Moore: Liberals, lay off Palin

2008-09-06 Thread lurkernomore20002000
Jesus Christ.  Bring back the DNC.  They forgot one important 
speaker!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Sara is applying to run for president (in the case of a 3-4
 time,cancer surviving, 72 year old, having a serious medical 
problem
 in the next 4 years) and unlike all the other candidates, we have 
not
 had enough time to understand who we are dealing with.  McCain is
 bum-rushing us with her and we have two months to get to know her
 before deciding if she should occupy the second most important
 political position in the world. (That's right my European friends,
 till China rises up and crushes us all, we are the last super 
power.)
 
 The biggest problem we have with her is not people making sexist
 comments.  That distraction is appropriate to any woman here who is
 being treated that way in her own personal life. But it nothing to 
do
 with how fast we have to find out who the person is who might end 
up
 commanding a military that has only recently justified a pre-
emptive
 strike on another sovereign nation. (Same party, don't be fooled by
 the frantic distancing going on.) So if you want to mention her
 prom-ready updo while being very critical of her, consider 
yourself
 forgiven in advance.  (women on FFL's mileage may vary)  The 
biggest
 problem with Mitt Romney was not that he had Ken Doll hair, it was
 what was under it that mattered, and the same is true with Sara. 
 
 The American press got cowered after 9-11 by their fear of not 
seeming
 patriotic enough.  They betrayed our public trust.  That goes 
double
 for the Democratic party.  Bush used name-calling to dismantle the
 whole system of checks and balances in our country.
 
 Name calling!
 
 So my advise to the press and the Democratic party is to ignore all
 the word shields being used to keep you from sandblasting Sara 
Palin
 from head to toe.  I want you so far up her ass I only see the 
heels
 of your shoes.  I will forgive you if you need to apologize 
afterwards
 for being a little rough on her.  We don't have the time to play 
nice
 and she can take it if she is the real deal.  But I will never 
forgive
 you if let he slip by with little scrutiny and she turns out to be
 another George Bush disaster. 
 
 Oh yeah, and the fact that she did not try to shove her wacky 
beliefs
 about creationism being taught alongside intelligent design down 
the
 throats of her independently oriented fellow Alaskans doesn't help 
the
 fact that she equates these two completely different positions as
 having equal scientific merit. Houston we have a big F'n problem 
here.
  I've already been down this road with George.  I understand the
 implications when science and scripture are viewed as equally valid
 POVs. (See I didn't call them old books either!) 
 
 So do me proud American press and Democratic party.  I need to 
know,
 and I need to know fast.  
 
 The real difference between a pit bull and a hockey mom is that a
 pit bull never gets deluded that it can be a heartbeat away from 
being
 the president without being qualified, but a hockey mom can. I've
 seen the lipstick (and lip liner) so I'm sure we are not dealing 
with
 a pit bull here. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@
 wrote:
 
  On Sep 6, 2008, at 8:30 AM, mainstream20016 wrote:
  
   For once we seem to be in agreement. My current
   grade point average is 3.5, whats's yours? I
   wonder what kind of grades Michael Moore got
   in school? From what I've read, Sarah Palin got
   all 'A's. She graduated from college - I wonder
   how many respondents on FFL have graduated.
  
   After reading here for a number of years, I'd
   say that none of the current informants ever
   got a degree from MUM. Correct me if I'm
   wrong on this.
  
   Your wrong.
  
  Sarah Palin apparently went to 5 or 6 colleges
  before graduating, and her grades are unknown.
  
  Sal
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: Michael Moore: Liberals, lay off Palin

2008-09-06 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Sara is applying to run for president (in the case of a 3-4
 time,cancer surviving, 72 year old, having a serious medical problem
 in the next 4 years) and unlike all the other candidates, we have 
not
 had enough time to understand who we are dealing with.  McCain is
 bum-rushing us with her and we have two months to get to know her
 before deciding if she should occupy the second most important
 political position in the world. 

[snip]

Good points all, Curtis.

However, I can't help seeing a double standard.  Certainly, Sarah 
must be vetted by the media, as you suggest, for the reasons you 
suggest: she very well may become president and we need to know as 
much about her as possible before we cast our votes in November.

But in the 8 or 9 days since her VP appointment was announced, we 
know more about her 17-year-old daughter's pregnancy and her 
sperminator Levi Johnston than we know about Barack Obama's 
relationship with a self-admitted terrorist, William Ayers, a 
relationship that was extensive and quite significant in Obama's 
life.  

Indeed, I suggest to you that if we did a survey of 100 Americans off 
the street right now, chosen at random, I'll bet you a dollar to a 
donut that more will know who Levi Johnston or spit-shining Piper 
Palin is than they do who William Ayers is.

And Barack's been running for president for 18 months!

Sorry, if there's any vetting that needs to be done, it's on Barack 
Obama first. Like the Democrats who during the primaries got caught 
up in the concept of Obama, to use Geraldine Ferraro's words, the 
media, too, got caught up in the concept and never vetted or 
investigated him properly.

And now the Dems are stuck with a terrorist-associating, community 
organizer who the 527 groups are simply going to rip apart.  For two 
weeks solid before election day, the 527s are going to spend about 
$100 million on TV ads about Ayers, Wright, and sundry other gems 
Barack has dished up (such as an ad contrasting Barack's statement 
that if his daughter would ever get pregnant that he wouldn't want 
her burdened with a mistake with Palin and her five kids).

Gosh, how many voters in Middle America -- the people Barack needs to 
court in order to win -- will vote for him once they see something 
like this (scroll down to latest video):

http://www.americanissuesproject.org/

Curtis, Barack was given a pass not only by the media but by the 
Democrats themselves.  Palin wasn't.  

Double standard.

Don't you think Barack should be vetted first?



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Michael Moore: Liberals, lay off Palin

2008-09-06 Thread Richard Williams
  Houston we have a big F'n problem here.
 
Judy wrote:
 If we spend all our energy deconstructing Sarah 
 while neglecting to do the same for McCain, 
 those who are moved to protest our treatment of 
 her by voting for the Republican ticket won't have 
 been given any reason *not* to.
 
Sarah Palin has more exuctive experience than Joe
Biden and she probably has better judgement as well.

Biden voted *against* gulf war 1 and the U.S. won 
the war. If we had listened to Joe Biden, Saddam 
would be in control of Kuwait and probably Saudi 
Arabia as well - Saddam would be the head of OPEC 
by now.

This was a monumental blunder by Joe Biden - he was
wrong about gulf war 1 and wrong about gulf war 2.

He was wrong about the surge - Obama says that the 
surge was a success. If we had listened to Joe Biden 
there would be a civil war in Iraq now. 

Joe Biden was wrong, he's wrong for America. 


  


[FairfieldLife] Salivating Salvatore Sunshine off her little rocker once again

2008-09-06 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 On Sep 6, 2008, at 10:34 AM, shempmcgurk wrote:
 
 
  Democrats may want to tread carefully before you go down that 
road.
 
  Remember what happened in the 2004 election: Dems dumped on Bush 
for
  having not so great grades while at Yale until it was revealed
  Kerrey, at Yale, had even worse grades.
 
 Um, no it wasn't, shemp--repeating the same old lies
 don't make them true.
 
 Bush never revealed his grades, as I recall.  The source
 for his terrific GPA was that fount of integrity,  his mother.
 
 Sal


Oh, Salvatore, you're wrong, as usual.

Bush got a 77 point cumulative average for his four years at Yale; 
Kerrey got 76.

And this ain's from Babs but from the Boston Globe:

http://tinyurl.com/dwb48

Oh, and Sal, I'm glad to see that you read everyone of my posts 
because that means that you haven't missed my repeated requests to 
you to follow through on your promise to show us what Barack's 
achievements have been (other than, of course, his associating with 
self-admitted terrorists).

Well, Sal, it's been more than 2 weeks and only silence from 
you...where is his wonderful list of accomplishments that you claimed 
were so numerous that you simply couldn't list them?




[FairfieldLife] Saddam Hussein: feminist icon and liberator of women

2008-09-06 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

   Houston we have a big F'n problem here.
  
 Judy wrote:
  If we spend all our energy deconstructing Sarah 
  while neglecting to do the same for McCain, 
  those who are moved to protest our treatment of 
  her by voting for the Republican ticket won't have 
  been given any reason *not* to.
  
 Sarah Palin has more exuctive experience than Joe
 Biden and she probably has better judgement as well.
 
 Biden voted *against* gulf war 1 and the U.S. won 
 the war. If we had listened to Joe Biden, Saddam 
 would be in control of Kuwait and probably Saudi 
 Arabia as well - Saddam would be the head of OPEC 
 by now.


I agree with you, of course, Richard.

But one thing we have to admit: if the mass-murdering freedom-
violating dictator Saddam had, indeed, been left to his own devices 
and was, today, in control of both Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, as you 
hypothesize above, 50% of the populations of both of those countries 
would be freer -- MUCH freer -- than they are today.

I'm talking of course, about the women of those two countries.  For 
all his murderous faults, Saddam was for equality of the sexes and 
for the elimination of pretty much all those horrible things that 
middle eastern countries are known for vis a vis mistreating their 
women.

This is a legitimate point to make because it is the Bush 
Administration that keeps reminding us -- and rightly so -- how much 
that they have done for the women of Afghanistan, freeing them from 
the misogynistic suppression of the Taliban.

Well, folks, what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. 
Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and the Taliban are all pretty much equal-
opportunity repressors of women...and Saddam would no doubt have made 
the lot of women much, much better in both Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, 
just as he did in Iraq.

You know, there was a cute sort of observation I once heard about 20 
years ago:  Who was the greatest feminist of the 20th century?

The answer was: General Douglas MacArthur.

Why?  Because with the stroke of a pen, he gave the vote and equality 
to 50 million Japanese women when he ran Japan as pretty much its 
absolute ruler after the surrender.  He transformed 50 million women 
from the status of, essentially, chattel, to the legal equality of 
men.  Overnight.

In that sense, one of the 20th century's great feminists, we must 
conclude, was Saddam Hussein.





 
 This was a monumental blunder by Joe Biden - he was
 wrong about gulf war 1 and wrong about gulf war 2.
 
 He was wrong about the surge - Obama says that the 
 surge was a success. If we had listened to Joe Biden 
 there would be a civil war in Iraq now. 
 
 Joe Biden was wrong, he's wrong for America.





[FairfieldLife] Re: Michael Moore: Liberals, lay off Palin

2008-09-06 Thread curtisdeltablues
Thanks for weighing in Judy, I had hoped you would.   I'm finding my
way with these ideas and your post helps me sort them out.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

snip
 
 The paradigmatic response to this approach is the
 famous poem that begins First they came for the
 Jews... Obviously sexist attacks on Palin are
 vanishingly trivial compared to the Holocaust,
 but the larger point may not be.
 
 Another version of the point is Cain's
 question from the Bible, Am I my brother's
 keeper?
 
 Is it ethically OK to refrain from defending
 someone who is being unfairly attacked when
 one doesn't have a personal investment in the
 quality or characteristic on which the attack
 focuses? Is one absolved of responsibility in
 such a case?

Of course I agree, and I guess people like yourself who have this ball
in your sights will do that for society.  In non election situations I
am much more sympathetic to this cause.  The fact that the problem
with the holocaust was killing Jews not calling them names is
important. Name calling does not always lead to killing.

Humans have prejudices of all kinds.  We can make it less visible and
give some legal protections from it in the workplace.  But I don't
think we are going to shame it out of existence. It is usually based
on people's experience with other groups. If you had a controlling
mother and married a controlling woman, you may become misogynistic. 
My brother lives in an area with no middle class black people.  He is
usually in danger when he interacts with then.  The exact opposite is
true in my world, I am very rarely in danger from black people even
though I have 50 times more interactions with them.  So it is easy for
me to see them as equal and very hard for my brother.  We can
legislate only so far, then we hit this wall of personal experiences.

Most of the world leaders who are the biggest pains in the US's ass
are major sexists so I don't know how much we should protect
politicians from it. But in the cause itself, I can't disagree with
what you are saying.  Politics is a boys club.  And boys play rough
and are often personally unfair to each other.  Women who enter this
unfair alpha chimp world will find out what total pricks most power
hungry guys are.  I'm sure that is no surprise to you.  But as the fur
flies, the outcome is more important than the process IMO because the
process is not going to change quickly enough. (not in two months) 

 
 Do we consider all the white people who
 participated in civil rights activities in the
 South in the '60s and '70s to have been
 *inappropriately* distracted by the racism they
 were opposing, because they themselves had never
 experienced it?

The cause was civil rights, so it was the right focus in that context.
 But the biggest problem with the Cold War of that era was not racism
so we needed to pick leaders without that as the main theme.

 
 snip
  So my advise to the press and the Democratic party is to ignore
  all the word shields being used to keep you from sandblasting
  Sara Palin from head to toe.  I want you so far up her ass I
  only see the heels of your shoes.  I will forgive you if you
  need to apologize afterwards for being a little rough on her.
  We don't have the time to play nice and she can take it if she
  is the real deal.  But I will never forgive you if let he slip
  by with little scrutiny and she turns out to be another George
  Bush disaster.
 
 Another way of looking at this is to ask whether
 obsessing over Sarah Palin may have the
 unintended consequence of allowing John McCain to
 slip by with little scrutiny--not only because
 there's a great deal to be scrutinized about him,
 but also because a significant portion of the
 electorate may *not* be willing to graciously
 forgive us for being rough on her, and their
 outrage may inspire them to vote for the McCain-
 Palin ticket in protest (which was Michael Moore's
 point).

I couldn't agree more.  This distraction does take the heat off of
McCain.  The blow back problem is tricky because it seems that the
right will cry foul no matter what is said.  Sara can parade her
pregnant daughter and baby daddy in front of us along with her family
values and if we comment on it, we are called sexist.  I know a few
mothers who are appalled at this example that is being thrown in our
face.  This is a teen tragedy, not another example of what a great
person she is. 

 
 And of course these two points are related. If
 we spend all our energy deconstructing Sarah while
 neglecting to do the same for McCain, those who are 
 moved to protest our treatment of her by voting for
 the Republican ticket won't have been given any
 reason *not* to.

Again agreed. It is a tough balance but if it helps I want the same
treatment of McCain and Obama.  But we have had more time with them so
we know a little more. 

 
 Finally, objections from the left to the sexist
 attacks on Palin are not word shields designed
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Michael Moore: Liberals, lay off Palin

2008-09-06 Thread curtisdeltablues
 Curtis, Barack was given a pass not only by the media but by the 
 Democrats themselves.  Palin wasn't.  
 
 Double standard.
 
 Don't you think Barack should be vetted first?


She is being given a pass in her own party but never had to go through
the scrutiny that Obama did by minds like Hillary Clinton.  I would
love to see her debate Palin as she did Obama.  I can't believe how
little info we have about candidates aside from the popularity contest
spin bullshit.

Palin was the one who put out her family's situation.  It all comes
out, look how we nailed and destroyed John Edwards.  Everyone gets the
reaming.  So we have to go after each candidate to see what we have
and that is ongoing.  No one should go soft on Obama for fear of being
called a racist and no one should be soft on Palin because of fear of
being called a sexist.

As far as media bias goes, all media is fractionated to target
different audiences.  I have to watch Fox news for the right and MSNBC
for the left for example and then make up my own mind. 

 Curtis, Barack was given a pass not only by the media but by the 
 Democrats themselves.  Palin wasn't.

Fox news did a fine job of climbing up his butt.  I am tired of claims
of media bias, there is plenty of news from both sides now with the 24
hour news cycle. Palin is being given a pass right now on Fox.  But I
have also noticed that the right leaning Fox delights in all the same
salacious details that everyone else does, and then has the nerve ro
complain that other channels are covering it. 

BTW, I am watching Bill O'Reilly interview with Obama with great
interest.  It will continue next week.  I despise the guy which is
exactly why he is perfect  for helping me understand Obama better.

That stuff about his associating with terrorists doesn't pass the
smell test with me and demeaning his community organizing work is
pathetic.  Doing good is not bad.  Not by a long shot.

I dig reading your POV here Shemp.  It is not usually my own
politically but I learn from it. 
 
  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
 curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
 
  Sara is applying to run for president (in the case of a 3-4
  time,cancer surviving, 72 year old, having a serious medical problem
  in the next 4 years) and unlike all the other candidates, we have 
 not
  had enough time to understand who we are dealing with.  McCain is
  bum-rushing us with her and we have two months to get to know her
  before deciding if she should occupy the second most important
  political position in the world. 
 
 [snip]
 
 Good points all, Curtis.
 
 However, I can't help seeing a double standard.  Certainly, Sarah 
 must be vetted by the media, as you suggest, for the reasons you 
 suggest: she very well may become president and we need to know as 
 much about her as possible before we cast our votes in November.
 
 But in the 8 or 9 days since her VP appointment was announced, we 
 know more about her 17-year-old daughter's pregnancy and her 
 sperminator Levi Johnston than we know about Barack Obama's 
 relationship with a self-admitted terrorist, William Ayers, a 
 relationship that was extensive and quite significant in Obama's 
 life.  
 
 Indeed, I suggest to you that if we did a survey of 100 Americans off 
 the street right now, chosen at random, I'll bet you a dollar to a 
 donut that more will know who Levi Johnston or spit-shining Piper 
 Palin is than they do who William Ayers is.
 
 And Barack's been running for president for 18 months!
 
 Sorry, if there's any vetting that needs to be done, it's on Barack 
 Obama first. Like the Democrats who during the primaries got caught 
 up in the concept of Obama, to use Geraldine Ferraro's words, the 
 media, too, got caught up in the concept and never vetted or 
 investigated him properly.
 
 And now the Dems are stuck with a terrorist-associating, community 
 organizer who the 527 groups are simply going to rip apart.  For two 
 weeks solid before election day, the 527s are going to spend about 
 $100 million on TV ads about Ayers, Wright, and sundry other gems 
 Barack has dished up (such as an ad contrasting Barack's statement 
 that if his daughter would ever get pregnant that he wouldn't want 
 her burdened with a mistake with Palin and her five kids).
 
 Gosh, how many voters in Middle America -- the people Barack needs to 
 court in order to win -- will vote for him once they see something 
 like this (scroll down to latest video):
 
 http://www.americanissuesproject.org/
 
 Curtis, Barack was given a pass not only by the media but by the 
 Democrats themselves.  Palin wasn't.  
 
 Double standard.
 
 Don't you think Barack should be vetted first?





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Michael Moore: Liberals, lay off Palin

2008-09-06 Thread Bhairitu
Richard J. Williams wrote:
 Bhairitu wrote:
   
 It's depressing to give this country over 
 to a bunch of C students, 

 
 For once we seem to be in agreement. My current
 grade point average is 3.5, whats's yours?
You're still in high school after all these years?  :D

I was an honors student in college.
  I
 wonder what kind of grades Michael Moore got
 in school? From what I've read, Sarah Palin got
 all 'A's. She graduated from college - I wonder
 how many respondents on FFL have graduated. 

 After reading here for a number of years, I'd 
 say that none of the current informants ever 
 got a degree from MUM. Correct me if I'm
 wrong on this.

   
The only thing I got from MUM (or MIU) was that I graduated from TTC.  
Did you?
 dunderheads and pondscum or the lowest 
 common denominator.

 
 Speaking of 'dunderheads', apparently you can't 
 even read your own scriptures without using
 Sanskrit flash cards. If so, then you'd be 
 considered an llliterate in most villages in
 India.
   
I didn't use any flash cards in India.  So can you read Devanagri?  I've 
asked you that a number times and you've never responded so we can 
assume not.  Hey but sign up at the American Sanskrit Institute for a 
weekend workshop.  I think they're even holding one in Texas.
 As for the 'pondscum', you're really in no
 position to be calling the poor villagers of
 rural India any names. Who said you had to be 
 a scholar in order to love God?

   
Pondscum is the way a number of Americans behave.  They could learn a 
lot from Indian villagers.  Frankly I don't think most people are stupid 
but lazy minded.  So for that they deserve to be called pondscum.  
Besides that the MSM makes them feel it is important to be dumb.

 Such is the  road to idiocracy and the flaw 
 in democracy.

 
 India is the world's largest democracy and I'm
 sure it has some flaws, but what how would you
 be knowing since you can't even read a Hindi 
 newspaper, much less the Indian Constitution.
 You probably don't even own a single copy of the
 Times of India.
   
ROTFL!  I can read Times of India any day online if I want and have 
for years.  It's in English anyway though they probably have a Hindi 
edition you can read since you're so fluent in reading Devanagri and 
Hindi. :D :D :D :D
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/
   
 I suppose the best thing you can do is separate 
 them and their money (which a lot of people 
 will be and are doing since they are easy marks.

 
 Why do almost all your solutions to government 
 include violence, anarchy, or scams to get money?

   
Thomas Jefferson even suggested that the country might need a revolution 
ever twenty years to keep functioning.  So Ford and GM (and Toyota) for 
that matter are running scams?  How 'bout a big SUV to go with that big 
pickup truck.  Then you can really feel like a man (since you're so in 
need of that feeling).
 Hey dummy, wanna buy a big pickup truck?) 

 
 What happened to all that money you sent to the
 Marshy for all those TM 'initiations'? 
   
Half of it came back when I was teaching.  What about you?
   
 I'm a little more optimistic than that and hope
 that the masses see the wisdom in electing 
 someone who can hold an thoughtful and intelligent 
 conversation with other world leaders of their 
 IQ

 
 Maybe we could set up a debate between Barak Obama 
 and Osama bin Laden, without any pre-conditions.
 That would really be a thoughtful and intelligent
 conversation and would really resolve a lot of
 issues. Maybe they could debate women attending
 school like Sarah Palin did. 
   
That would probably go a lot farther than anything the Bush 
administration has done.  However as I understand it Obama would have to 
hold a seance to have a conversation with Osama or is he still hiding 
under your bed?
   
 and not some guy who wants to remind you every 
 ten minutes that he was a POW so you feel sorry 
 for him with a VP who should not even be elected 
 a PTA chairman.

 
 You could cast another spoiler vote if you wanted 
 to. Or, you could vote for a community organizer
 who never even joined the PTA or fought in a war.
In a much, much larger community that Sarah Palin was ever mayor of.   
Probably a community with more population than the whole state of 
Alaska.   And after all how did 2006 go?  I suspect 2008 will go the 
same way.  Your party is over.



[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

2008-09-06 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 
 Hello,
 
 This email message is a notification to let you know that
 a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the FairfieldLife 
 group.
 
   File: /Intro.pdf 
   Uploaded by : transactual [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   Description : Amazing channeled book from the Creator 
 
 You can access this file at the URL:
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/files/Intro.pdf 
 

The file is now in the folder labeled Members' Writings and Suggestions.



[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

2008-09-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
wrote:
 
  
  Hello,
  
  This email message is a notification to let you know that
  a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the FairfieldLife 
  group.
  
File: /Intro.pdf 
Uploaded by : transactual dave@ 
Description : Amazing channeled book from the Creator 
  
  You can access this file at the URL:
  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/files/Intro.pdf 
  
 
 The file is now in the folder labeled Members' Writings and 
 Suggestions.

Speaking of suggestions, how's about not uploading
files that don't have a clear explanation of what the
document is in the title. 

I, for one, am never going to click on a document called
Intro.pdf...to put such a document up is downright rude.
*At least* tell us what it is, right?






[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

2008-09-06 Thread TurquoiseB
Emily Latella time. I see there is a Description field.

Never mind.  :-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley
 j_alexander_stanley@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 wrote:
  
   
   Hello,
   
   This email message is a notification to let you know that
   a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the FairfieldLife 
   group.
   
 File: /Intro.pdf 
 Uploaded by : transactual dave@ 
 Description : Amazing channeled book from the Creator 
   
   You can access this file at the URL:
   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/files/Intro.pdf 
   
  
  The file is now in the folder labeled Members' Writings and 
  Suggestions.
 
 Speaking of suggestions, how's about not uploading
 files that don't have a clear explanation of what the
 document is in the title. 
 
 I, for one, am never going to click on a document called
 Intro.pdf...to put such a document up is downright rude.
 *At least* tell us what it is, right?





[FairfieldLife] Sarah bikini pics

2008-09-06 Thread feste37
I have been silent so far today because I have spent the entire
morning examining all the gorgeous Sarah bikini pics on You Tube.
Unfortunately, after extensive and time consuming analysis, I have to
inform my fellow FFLers that they are all fake. Pity. But they've
certainly found some nice bodies to put Sarah's head on. 



[FairfieldLife] An Englishman's jeremiad as to learning DN

2008-09-06 Thread cardemaister

A decade and a half ago, I thought it quite possible to read the
Script in just several weeks.
 
After all, I had just settled back in the UK after more than a decade
in Saudi Arabia, producing Bi-lingual reports for Saudi Telephone, The
National Port Authority, Not to mention MODA (Ministry of Defense and
Aviation - on the Aviation side) - during that time I got to the stage
where I could actually 'read' numbers which was more than what most of
the Europeans - (Austrians, Germans - no Fins)  Indians - many of
them!  or Americans managed! There were plenty of Egyptians Syrians
Saudi around - including the odd Iraqi at one time.
 
Anyway, I carefully printed and cut, every one of Wikner's Flash cards
- they are right here, right now on my desk. I began . . . an hour
later I woke up,  well, I was tired. A week later (well, I was busy!)
I had another go - after about 10 minutes, I realized I had been
staring out the window, daydreaming, try again - same thing.
 
About a month later . . . you get the Idea.
 
Before that , I had an old Windows 3.5 App. It would pop up a
Devnagari letter at random and invite you to click the Latin one. They
all looked the same to me!
 
But I am persistent . . .
 
I -can- recognize the script, like a child - if they don't have too
many ligatures.
 
On the other hand I can (and do), delve into those hexadecimal bits
and bytes, write computer code for hours at a stretch, but please not
Devanagari!
 
When I can't get to sleep at night for some reason - Maurer's 'The
Sanskrit Language' does the trick in no time - really!
 
Romanized diacritics are no problem at all, I don't even realize they
are Sanskrit - Camel case letters are something else, like some
teenage hacker has hacked my computer!
 
I don't need to sing the praises of the Lord, where a miss-pronounced
syllable will earn me eternal damnation in a warm place. I am not a
member of any of the Dead Poets Appreciation Societies. In science a
clay pot is a clay pot, whatever is on the label, it won't jump up and
bite me if I pronounce it klay paurt, claiy putt or whatever.
 
There are many, many like myself, who don't  -need- the script, but
want the text(s) in readable form.
 
As to Bhoja's stuff I have transliterated the complete text, parsed
it, and marked it up in .htm. After throwing it at the MW for
verification of the hyperlinks I have still a thousand or so root/stem
forms in those links to determine. But have been neglecting this side
of things to work on the computing side. To where I am able, mouse
click on a source- text word, - plain text, rtf or htm, Devanaagarii
or otherwise word, and have the dictionary present the word together
with any inflection information. The machine is immune to sleeping
sickness!
 
It's alright for you with dozens of case endings in your language. A
mere eight is a piffle! 



[FairfieldLife] Re: Sarah bikini pics

2008-09-06 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have been silent so far today because I have spent the entire
 morning examining all the gorgeous Sarah bikini pics on You Tube.
 Unfortunately, after extensive and time consuming analysis, I have to
 inform my fellow FFLers that they are all fake. Pity. But they've
 certainly found some nice bodies to put Sarah's head on.



I hope your keyboard isn't too sticky.



[FairfieldLife] Re: An Englishman's jeremiad as to learning DN

2008-09-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Flsahcards are actually worthless for something like that. 

Instead,
get 8x enlarged pictures of each character (or combination) with 
stroke order marked, and trace them 50 times each while saying them 
aloud in a normal voice (not whispering). 

Now copythem another 50 times each without tracing, while still
saying them aloud in a normal voice.

Now work from memory, still saying them in a normal voice as
you draw.


Go back every few days and repeat step 3 but only draw them 10 times.
Always say them out loud while writing, and make sure its in a normal
voice. Research shows that you must involve as many senses as possible
so the sensation of your head vibrating while you say them will become
part of the learning process. That's why you can't get the same result
by whispering (my Japanese sensei did his PhD work, partly on this topic).


Very simple, very tedious, but unless you have a strange nervous system,
you WILLL learn them.


Do the same thing with words and entire sentences.


 
 A decade and a half ago, I thought it quite possible to read the
 Script in just several weeks.
  
 After all, I had just settled back in the UK after more than a decade
 in Saudi Arabia, producing Bi-lingual reports for Saudi Telephone, The
 National Port Authority, Not to mention MODA (Ministry of Defense and
 Aviation - on the Aviation side) - during that time I got to the stage
 where I could actually 'read' numbers which was more than what most of
 the Europeans - (Austrians, Germans - no Fins)  Indians - many of
 them!  or Americans managed! There were plenty of Egyptians Syrians
 Saudi around - including the odd Iraqi at one time.
  
 Anyway, I carefully printed and cut, every one of Wikner's Flash cards
 - they are right here, right now on my desk. I began . . . an hour
 later I woke up,  well, I was tired. A week later (well, I was busy!)
 I had another go - after about 10 minutes, I realized I had been
 staring out the window, daydreaming, try again - same thing.
  
 About a month later . . . you get the Idea.
  
 Before that , I had an old Windows 3.5 App. It would pop up a
 Devnagari letter at random and invite you to click the Latin one. They
 all looked the same to me!
  
 But I am persistent . . .
  
 I -can- recognize the script, like a child - if they don't have too
 many ligatures.
  
 On the other hand I can (and do), delve into those hexadecimal bits
 and bytes, write computer code for hours at a stretch, but please not
 Devanagari!
  
 When I can't get to sleep at night for some reason - Maurer's 'The
 Sanskrit Language' does the trick in no time - really!
  
 Romanized diacritics are no problem at all, I don't even realize they
 are Sanskrit - Camel case letters are something else, like some
 teenage hacker has hacked my computer!
  
 I don't need to sing the praises of the Lord, where a miss-pronounced
 syllable will earn me eternal damnation in a warm place. I am not a
 member of any of the Dead Poets Appreciation Societies. In science a
 clay pot is a clay pot, whatever is on the label, it won't jump up and
 bite me if I pronounce it klay paurt, claiy putt or whatever.
  
 There are many, many like myself, who don't  -need- the script, but
 want the text(s) in readable form.
  
 As to Bhoja's stuff I have transliterated the complete text, parsed
 it, and marked it up in .htm. After throwing it at the MW for
 verification of the hyperlinks I have still a thousand or so root/stem
 forms in those links to determine. But have been neglecting this side
 of things to work on the computing side. To where I am able, mouse
 click on a source- text word, - plain text, rtf or htm, Devanaagarii
 or otherwise word, and have the dictionary present the word together
 with any inflection information. The machine is immune to sleeping
 sickness!
  
 It's alright for you with dozens of case endings in your language. A
 mere eight is a piffle!






[FairfieldLife] Re: An Englishman's jeremiad as to learning DN

2008-09-06 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote:
 
 
 Flsahcards are actually worthless for something like that. 
 
 Instead,
 get 8x enlarged pictures of each character (or combination) with 
 stroke order marked, and trace them 50 times each while saying them 
 aloud in a normal voice (not whispering). 
 
 Now copythem another 50 times each without tracing, while still
 saying them aloud in a normal voice.
 
 Now work from memory, still saying them in a normal voice as
 you draw.
 
 
 Go back every few days and repeat step 3 but only draw them 10 times.
 Always say them out loud while writing, and make sure its in a normal
 voice. Research shows that you must involve as many senses as possible
 so the sensation of your head vibrating while you say them will become
 part of the learning process. That's why you can't get the same result
 by whispering (my Japanese sensei did his PhD work, partly on this topic).
 
 
 Very simple, very tedious, but unless you have a strange nervous system,
 you WILLL learn them.
 
 
 Do the same thing with words and entire sentences.

Oh, and if possible, recite in unison with other students. Just like a chorus,
you tend to unconsciously adjust your pitch (pronunciation) to fit with everyone
else, even if you can't consciously get it right.

L.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Fiscal conservatism

2008-09-06 Thread John
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Thank you, Bongo, for providing the first two excellent links.
 
 This is what I've been saying for years on this forum: the 
 Republicans' preach is completely different from the Republicans' 
 practise.
 
 They talk about small government but once in power do the exact 
 opposite.
 

The Republicans are actually telling the truth of what they intend to 
do in office.  In the economic front, they say: we will reduce taxes 
and increase national security.  Thus, the USA has a deficit because 
the taxes were reduced and American troops are in Iraq and 
Afghanistan.

In effect, the Americans should think about what they're voting for 
in the next election.  One way or another, politicians are going to 
cost you money.









 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote:
 
  
  
  Presidents and fiscal conservatism:   
  http://www.bartcop.com/fiscal-conservatives-808.jpg
  ==
  
  US Budget Deficit or Surplus - 1961 to present - Click to 
 enlarge:   
  http://farm1.static.flickr.com/168/368978847_9f70bfd9c3_o.gif
  ==
  
  
  McSame brags he voted over 90% of the time with Bush - Watch: 
  
 
http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1185304443/bctid17641447
 59 
  
  or
  
  http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/09/05/open-thread-917/
  ==
  
  Palin left Wasilla [pop approx 7000] $20 million in debt:
  http://thinkprogress.org/wonkroom/2008/09/03/wasilla-in-debt/
 





[FairfieldLife] Re: Sarah bikini pics

2008-09-06 Thread lurkernomore20002000
Are you saying you have a limp left wrist?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have been silent so far today because I have spent the entire
 morning examining all the gorgeous Sarah bikini pics on You Tube.




[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

2008-09-06 Thread lurkernomore20002000
Hey, did you notice the Crumbster, or an exhibit about his work got 
a good write up in the NYT yesterday.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley
 j_alexander_stanley@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 wrote:
  
   
   Hello,
   
   This email message is a notification to let you know that
   a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the 
FairfieldLife 
   group.
   
 File: /Intro.pdf 
 Uploaded by : transactual dave@ 
 Description : Amazing channeled book from the Creator 
   
   You can access this file at the URL:
   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/files/Intro.pdf 
   
  
  The file is now in the folder labeled Members' Writings and 
  Suggestions.
 
 Speaking of suggestions, how's about not uploading
 files that don't have a clear explanation of what the
 document is in the title. 
 
 I, for one, am never going to click on a document called
 Intro.pdf...to put such a document up is downright rude.
 *At least* tell us what it is, right?





[FairfieldLife] Re: Fiscal conservatism

2008-09-06 Thread boo_lives
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
 wrote:
 
  Thank you, Bongo, for providing the first two excellent links.
  
  This is what I've been saying for years on this forum: the 
  Republicans' preach is completely different from the Republicans' 
  practise.
  
  They talk about small government but once in power do the exact 
  opposite.
  
 
 The Republicans are actually telling the truth of what they intend to 
 do in office.  In the economic front, they say: we will reduce taxes 
 and increase national security.  Thus, the USA has a deficit because 
 the taxes were reduced and American troops are in Iraq and 
 Afghanistan.
 
Govt' spending outside defense was also significantly increased.  look
it up.

 In effect, the Americans should think about what they're voting for 
 in the next election.  One way or another, politicians are going to 
 cost you money.
 
The drastically increased US debt under Bush means HIGHER TAXES, just
a little later and with interest.




[FairfieldLife] Are the American people realy this dumb?

2008-09-06 Thread do.rflex


http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g213/vastleft/depression.jpg



Re: [FairfieldLife] Are the American people realy this dumb?

2008-09-06 Thread Bhairitu
do.rflex wrote:
 http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g213/vastleft/depression.jpg
We'll know in November.



[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

2008-09-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hey, did you notice the Crumbster, or an exhibit about his work got 
 a good write up in the NYT yesterday.

No. And I thank you from the bottom of my heart
for bringing it to my attention.

http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/c/robert_crumb/index.html

or 

http://tinyurl.com/6hjwaa

I really love Robert. He is one of the most sincere,
straightforward, honest people it has ever been my
good fortune to meet. You just want to hug him, 
but you don't, because you know it would make him 
uncomfortable.

What those who have never really dived into his more
esoteric (read limited edition and expensive)
work may not realize is the God's-honest-truthness
of the lines from the article, ...art critic Robert 
Hughes once called Mr. Crumb 'the Bruegel of the 20th 
century.' 

He's that good. I'm into art. I've seen the line
drawings of Bruegel and all of the other Dutch
Masters. Robert's in their league.

Also from the article: Mr. Crumb's work presents a 
vision of American life as a phantasmagoric gallery 
of grotesques that is as gripping as it is harshly 
funny.

Hey, I lived for a time as Robert's next-door neighbor.
Life often IS a a phantasmagoric gallery of grotesques
in Sauve. But it's also To Die For Funny, and I loved 
that Robert, given all he's been through, could laugh 
at it as much as he does. 

One of the first things that endeared me to R.Crumb,
the first time I met him in Paris, is that he laughed 
at my jokes. 

Really. 

I mean, he *really* laughed.

Get a couple of glasses of wine in me, and I tell jokes.
It's just who I am, and what I do. And I *understand*
that some of my friends put up with my jokes only because
they really, really love me.

But, weirdo that I am, I really *get into* the telling
of a good joke. I look at a joke as an artform, something
that one practices but never masters. So I don't just
tell jokes over and over, I *tune* them, and try to make
them more *effective* jokes. 

This inner artistic quest has so far met with far too
much stony non-laughter. Maybe it's my choice of jokes.

But Robert really *liked* my jokes. And when he did --
and it would always take him a few seconds before he
did, and realized that he did -- he would burst into
the most Buddhalike laughter I have ever heard.

It was like someone who carried the weight of the
world around on his shoulders for a living suddenly
having a moment that made him laugh.

Contributing to that laughter, whenever I could, were
the high points of my time in Sauve.





[FairfieldLife] Re: Are the American people realy this dumb?

2008-09-06 Thread Richard J. Williams
John wrote:
 Are the American people realy this dumb?

Aparently you are!

I think that the surge has succeeded in ways 
that nobody anticipated, Obama said while 
refusing to retract his initial opposition 
to the surge. I've already said it's 
succeeded beyond our wildest dreams.

Read more:

'Obama: Surge Succeeded Beyond `Wildest Dreams'
Fox News, Thursday, September 4, 2008
http://tinyurl.com/6edajx 


 http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g213/vastleft/depression.jpg





[FairfieldLife] Re: The Real Reason For Attacks on Palin

2008-09-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From the looks of it, the Democrats are doing a Slick Willie 
 strategy by trying to triangulate the middle of the road policy 
 for the American electorate.  They're trying to get the 
 independents and Reagan Democrats to vote for the Obama program.
 
 To address the Hillary supporters, the Democrats are thinking of 
 asking prominent Democratic women, including Hillary, to pitch for 
 the Democratic agenda.
 
 On the other hand, the Republicans pulled a Sarah Palin to attract 
 the Hillary voters and independents into their camp.
 
 In the end, the determining factors for the election would be the 
 economy and the war. Which candidate can solve these problems? He 
 will be the winner.

I'm really liking your political analyses so far.
They very different from the way I see things, but
very interesting.

I guess my question is whether you really believe
your last sentence.

I don't.

I've worked for far too many software companies 
that really DID have the Better Mousetrap, and the
world did NOT beat a path to their door.

I'm more of the opinion that the candidate who casts
the most effective occult glammer about the economy
and the war will be the winner.

Americans love to be wrapped. Politicians are occult
wrappers. The best wrapper wins.





[FairfieldLife] Strange Ice Formation in Russia

2008-09-06 Thread nablusoss1008
http://tinyurl.com/6ztg8h



[FairfieldLife] Re: Michael Moore: Liberals, lay off Palin

2008-09-06 Thread Richard J. Williams
  You could cast another spoiler vote if you wanted 
  to. Or, you could vote for a community organizer
  who never even joined the PTA or fought in a war.
 
Bhairitu wrote:
 In a much, much larger community that Sarah Palin 
 was ever mayor of. Probably a community with more 
 population than the whole state of Alaska. 
  
Maybe so, but what was the result? There is rampant
unemployment in Chicago, but in Achorage there is a 
surplus of jobs. Why is it that the high unemployment
is concentrated in all the 'blue' states, the ones 
with the liberal governors and senators?

 And after all how did 2006 go?   

From what I've read, Obama was a community orgainizer
in a small neighborhood in Chicago, most of whom used
to go to church with Obama to listen to the Rev. 
Wright. Apparently Obama sat next to Mr. Rezko. I
wonder where Rezko is now?

 I suspect 2008 will go the same way.
 
Well, I guess they closed down the housing project
Mr. Obama organized in Chicago, but the library up
in Wasilla, Alaska is still open and serving the 
public.

Apparently Obama took up with the terrorist Bill 
Ayers and relieved the Annenburg Foundation of 
several million dollars. I wonder what happened to 
all the money?

 Your party is over.

If Obama's idea of community orgainizing can't 
produce anything better than a big new million 
dollar house for himself and one for the Rev Wright, 
then probably your party is over!

I don't doubt that Obama is saddened by his 
mentor's conviction, but the rest of his statement 
is from outer space. This isn't the Tony Rezko 
I knew. Deja vu, anyone? I could swear I've 
heard it somewhere before. Sure enough--the 
racist, anti-American Rev. Wright whom we've all 
seen on video wasn't the Rev. Wright whom Obama 
knew for 20 years, either. And the outrageously 
bigoted Father Pfleger wasn't the Pfleger whom 
Obama assiduously supported with earmarks--another 
form of political corruption.

Read more:

'The Most Wildly Inappropriate Statement Ever?'
Posted by Posted by John Hinderaker:
Powerline, June 4, 2008
http://tinyurl.com/6jygm4 



[FairfieldLife] Re: Fiscal conservatism

2008-09-06 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The Republicans are actually telling the 
 truth of what they intend to 
 do in office.  In the economic front, 
 they say: we will reduce taxes 
 and increase national security.  

You've captured what has long struck me 
as an inborn conflict of the conservative 
agenda. People who stand for low taxes and 
a strong military are at odds with themselves. 
A strong military requires a big cash outlay - 
as much as 54% of the budget, by one measure:

http://www.warresisters.org/pages/piechart.htm

Seems to me, if we're to have a strong military 
and low taxes, we'll need to borrow lots of money.





[FairfieldLife] Re: Fiscal conservatism

2008-09-06 Thread Richard J. Williams
John wrote:
 The Republicans are actually telling the truth of 
 what they intend to do in office.  In the economic 
 front, they say: we will reduce taxes and increase 
 national security.  Thus, the USA has a deficit 
 because the taxes were reduced and American troops 
 are in Iraq and Afghanistan.
 
 In effect, the Americans should think about what 
 they're voting for in the next election.  

 One way or another, politicians are going to cost 
 you money.
 
Myabe so.

Do federal payroll taxes pay for the war Iraq and 
Afghanistan? Obama apparently voted to cut off the
funding for U.S. troops, but did he vote to cut any
payroll taxes?



[FairfieldLife] Amazing ice in Stonehenge-like formation!

2008-09-06 Thread shempmcgurk


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 http://tinyurl.com/6ztg8h







[FairfieldLife] Re: Fiscal conservatism

2008-09-06 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote:
 
  The Republicans are actually telling the 
  truth of what they intend to 
  do in office.  In the economic front, 
  they say: we will reduce taxes 
  and increase national security.  
 
 You've captured what has long struck me 
 as an inborn conflict of the conservative 
 agenda. People who stand for low taxes and 
 a strong military are at odds with themselves. 
 A strong military requires a big cash outlay - 
 as much as 54% of the budget, by one measure:
 
 http://www.warresisters.org/pages/piechart.htm
 
 Seems to me, if we're to have a strong military 
 and low taxes, we'll need to borrow lots of money.



War spending was over 75% during some of the years of WWII but this 
guy is stretching it.  The figures don't gel with other sources:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2007/tables.html





[FairfieldLife] Re: Fiscal conservatism

2008-09-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote:
 
  The Republicans are actually telling the 
  truth of what they intend to 
  do in office.  In the economic front, 
  they say: we will reduce taxes 
  and increase national security.  
 
 You've captured what has long struck me 
 as an inborn conflict of the conservative 
 agenda. People who stand for low taxes and 
 a strong military are at odds with themselves. 
 A strong military requires a big cash outlay - 
 as much as 54% of the budget, by one measure:
 
 http://www.warresisters.org/pages/piechart.htm
 
 Seems to me, if we're to have a strong military 
 and low taxes, we'll need to borrow lots of money.

Bingo!!!

Give this man a kewpie doll.

The issue -- as I see it -- on the level of
energy, is FEAR vs. HOPE.

Those who try to sell (in their political
agendas) a strong military are appealing to
the Lesser Emotion of FEAR.

So far, people in America have been willing
to overlook the unfulfilled promise of low
taxes for the illusion a strong military. 
There is simply no question as to which of
these two goals is more important to them.

So Duh! If you want to win an election, which
do you appeal to?





[FairfieldLife] Re: Michael Moore: Liberals, lay off Palin

2008-09-06 Thread Richard J. Williams
Curtis wrote: 
 That stuff about his associating with terrorists 
 doesn't pass the smell test with me and demeaning 
 his community organizing work is pathetic.  

From what I've read, Obama used to work for the
terrorist Ayers. They both got a lot of money from
the Anneneburg Foundation for a housing project.

Apparently you haven't been keeping up with the 
news!

 Doing good is not bad.  Not by a long shot.
 
But the housing project is now boarded up. What
happened to all the money? Is this an example of
the kind of community orgainizing you'd want for
your neighborhood?

Documents released Tuesday by the University of 
Illinois at Chicago shed some light on Barack 
Obama's relationship with William Ayers, a 
founding member of the 1960s and 1970s radical 
group the Weather Underground.

Read more:

'Newly Released Documents Highlight Obama's 
Relationship With Ayers'
Fox News, Tuesday, August 26, 2008
http://tinyurl.com/5bwee2



[FairfieldLife] Re: The Real Reason For Attacks on Palin

2008-09-06 Thread John

 I'm really liking your political analyses so far.
 They very different from the way I see things, but
 very interesting.
 
 I guess my question is whether you really believe
 your last sentence.
 
 I don't.
 
 I've worked for far too many software companies 
 that really DID have the Better Mousetrap, and the
 world did NOT beat a path to their door.
 
 I'm more of the opinion that the candidate who casts
 the most effective occult glammer about the economy
 and the war will be the winner.
 
 Americans love to be wrapped. Politicians are occult
 wrappers. The best wrapper wins.


I agree with you on this one.  I believe Marshall McCluhan once said 
that the medium is the message, or maybe the massage.

Also, the movie starring Robert Redford about a presidential 
candidate [The Selling of a President(?)] may have addressed your 
point.  After being elected president, he asked his handlers at the 
end of the movie, what I do now?.







[FairfieldLife] Re: Saddam Hussein: feminist icon and liberator of women

2008-09-06 Thread off_world_beings

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Richard Williams willytex@
 wrote:
 
Houston we have a big F'n problem here.
   
  Judy wrote:
   If we spend all our energy deconstructing Sarah
   while neglecting to do the same for McCain,
   those who are moved to protest our treatment of
   her by voting for the Republican ticket won't have
   been given any reason *not* to.
  
  Sarah Palin has more exuctive experience than Joe
  Biden and she probably has better judgement as well.
 
  Biden voted *against* gulf war 1 and the U.S. won
  the war. If we had listened to Joe Biden, Saddam
  would be in control of Kuwait and probably Saudi
  Arabia as well - Saddam would be the head of OPEC
  by now.


 I agree with you, of course, Richard.

 But one thing we have to admit: if the mass-murdering freedom-
 violating dictator Saddam had, indeed, been left to his own devices
 and was, today, in control of both Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, as you
 hypothesize above, 50% of the populations of both of those countries
 would be freer -- MUCH freer -- than they are today.

 I'm talking of course, about the women of those two countries.  For
 all his murderous faults, Saddam was for equality of the sexes and
 for the elimination of pretty much all those horrible things that
 middle eastern countries are known for vis a vis mistreating their
 women.

 This is a legitimate point to make because it is the Bush
 Administration that keeps reminding us -- and rightly so -- how much
 that they have done for the women of Afghanistan, freeing them from
 the misogynistic suppression of the Taliban.

 Well, folks, what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
 Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and the Taliban are all pretty much equal-
 opportunity repressors of women...and Saddam would no doubt have made
 the lot of women much, much better in both Kuwait and Saudi Arabia,
 just as he did in Iraq.

Wow, Shemp, you're telling us what we have been telling you for years.
There was more freedom under Saddam than under the American regime
there.

Well done, you finally woke up. Too late for the hundreds of  thousands
children killed and mutilated, millions of people displaced, and all
resemblence of modern civilized society wiped off the face of the map by
the invasion. But hey, who cares if Iraq is now an ungovernable zone,
free for rapists and women-oppressors to roam, and a breeding zone for
American hating fanatics.

Saddam may have been an oppressor, but no-one else was able to control
that region and America is trillion in debt, while the Iraqi government
officials are holding on to an 80 billion surplus until the Americans
leave, then they will appropriate it for their own personal use.

Good job BushSheep.

OffWorld





[FairfieldLife] Former Bush White House aides to 'educate' Palin

2008-09-06 Thread do.rflex


Silly me - I thought she was *already* fully qualified*

But tell me now that McCain/Palin isn't a continuation of Bush/Cheney


The McCain team has hastily assembled a team of former Bush White
House aides to tutor the vice-presidential candidate, Alaska Gov.
Sarah Palin, on foreign-policy issues, to write her speeches and to
begin preparing her for her all-important Oct. 2 debate against Sen.
Joe Biden.

Steve Biegun, who once served as the No. 3 National Security Council
official under Condoleezza Rice at the White House, has been hired as
chief foreign-policy adviser to the Alaska governor, campaign
officials told NEWSWEEK.  [...]

Biegun is hardly the only Bushie to be tapped for Palin duty. Among
others:

-Matt Scully, a former Bush White House speechwriter who helped draft
some of the major foreign-policy addresses during the president's
first term, is working on Palin's acceptance speech to the convention
Wednesday night.

-Mark Wallace, a former lawyer for the Bush 2000 campaign who served
in a variety of administration jobs including chief counsel at the
Federal Emergency Management Agency and deputy ambassador to the
United Nations, has been put in charge of prep for the debate
against Biden.

-Wallace's wife, Nicolle Wallace, the former White House
communications director, has taken over the same job for Palin.

-Tucker Eskew, another senior Bush White House communications aide, is
serving as senior counselor to Palin's operation.

-Douglas Holtz-Eakin, the former chief economist at the Council of
Economic Advisers who has been serving as top economics guru for the
McCain campaign, has moved over to serve as Palin's chief
domestic-policy adviser.


The proliferation of former Bush White House aides in the Palin team
may strike some as ironic—and could even provide some fodder for the
Democrats—given the McCain camp's efforts to distance itself from the
unpopular president. [...]

~~NEWSWEEK
http://www.blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/09/02/bushies-come-to-palin-s-rescue.aspx

or, http://tinyurl.com/5a88s3






Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fiscal conservatism

2008-09-06 Thread Bhairitu
Patrick Gillam wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 The Republicans are actually telling the 
 truth of what they intend to 
 do in office.  In the economic front, 
 they say: we will reduce taxes 
 and increase national security.  
 

 You've captured what has long struck me 
 as an inborn conflict of the conservative 
 agenda. People who stand for low taxes and 
 a strong military are at odds with themselves. 
 A strong military requires a big cash outlay - 
 as much as 54% of the budget, by one measure:

 http://www.warresisters.org/pages/piechart.htm

 Seems to me, if we're to have a strong military 
 and low taxes, we'll need to borrow lots of money.
I've always called the military industrial complex a corporate welfare 
state.  It doesn't deserve to exist and covertly arranges for wars so 
that it can sell its hardware.  If you are against welfare then you have 
to be against it all the way around and that is also to be against 
corporate welfare whether it be for the military industrial complex or 
forcing our agricultural products on countries quite capable of growing 
their own and in the process destroying their agricultural economy. 

Don't forget that Eisenhower warned us of the military industrial 
complex and his fears about them have materialized.



[FairfieldLife] Re: The Real Reason For Attacks on Palin

2008-09-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
 From the looks of it, the Democrats are doing a Slick Willie
 strategy by trying to triangulate the middle of the road policy
 for the American electorate.  They're trying to get the 
 independents and Reagan Democrats to vote for the Obama program.

When have they *not* done this? The only way for
either party to win is to attract swing voters.

 To address the Hillary supporters, the Democrats are thinking of 
 asking prominent Democratic women, including Hillary, to pitch
 for the Democratic agenda.

Thinking of asking? That's what Hillary promised
to do after losing the primary and has been doing
ever since.

 On the other hand, the Republicans pulled a Sarah Palin to attract 
 the Hillary voters and independents into their camp.

Actually they picked Palin primarily to shore up
McCain's very shaky support with the base; he's
not conservative enough for many Republican voters.
Palin isn't very attractive to most Hillary
supporters given her stance on women's issues,
including abortion.

 In the end, the determining factors for the election would
 be the economy and the war.  Which candidate can solve these 
 problems?  He will be the winner.

I'm in agreement with Barry on this one. Whoever
tells the best story about solving these problems--
but primarily the economy--will win.




[FairfieldLife] Re: Fiscal conservatism

2008-09-06 Thread John
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote:
 
  The Republicans are actually telling the 
  truth of what they intend to 
  do in office.  In the economic front, 
  they say: we will reduce taxes 
  and increase national security.  
 
 You've captured what has long struck me 
 as an inborn conflict of the conservative 
 agenda. People who stand for low taxes and 
 a strong military are at odds with themselves. 
 A strong military requires a big cash outlay - 
 as much as 54% of the budget, by one measure:
 
 http://www.warresisters.org/pages/piechart.htm
 
 Seems to me, if we're to have a strong military 
 and low taxes, we'll need to borrow lots of money.


Double Bingo

The USA is already several trillion dollars in debt.  We're living on 
borrowed time.  One way or another, the chickens will come home to 
roost.






[FairfieldLife] Crop Circle reported Agust 16, Wiltshire

2008-09-06 Thread nablusoss1008
Another Crop Circle made by peter on heavy medication and som drunken 
british lads:

http://tinyurl.com/6j5j5w



[FairfieldLife] Crop Circle, Etchilhapmton Hill, 15'th August

2008-09-06 Thread nablusoss1008
For sure made by Christian fundamentalists on speed.

http://tinyurl.com/66j8c3



[FairfieldLife] Re: Fiscal conservatism

2008-09-06 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote:
  
   The Republicans are actually telling the 
   truth of what they intend to 
   do in office.  In the economic front, 
   they say: we will reduce taxes 
   and increase national security.  
  
  You've captured what has long struck me 
  as an inborn conflict of the conservative 
  agenda. People who stand for low taxes and 
  a strong military are at odds with themselves. 
  A strong military requires a big cash outlay - 
  as much as 54% of the budget, by one measure:
  
  http://www.warresisters.org/pages/piechart.htm
  
  Seems to me, if we're to have a strong military 
  and low taxes, we'll need to borrow lots of money.
 
 Bingo!!!
 
 Give this man a kewpie doll.
 
 The issue -- as I see it -- on the level of
 energy, is FEAR vs. HOPE.
 
 Those who try to sell (in their political
 agendas) a strong military are appealing to
 the Lesser Emotion of FEAR.


People react to fear, not love; they don't teach that in Sunday
School, but it's true.

-Richard M. Nixon 











[FairfieldLife] technologies for manifesting intentions

2008-09-06 Thread Susan
Hi everyone, 
My name is Susan Sayler and I just joined this group recently. I have only been 
living in Fairfield since the Fourth of July, 2008. I am on the IA course, 
meditating in the dome 6 hours every day. 
 
I came here from San Diego where I was involved in a group that met regularly 
to support one another in the application of manifesting technologies (like in 
the Secret, What the Bleep, Intenders of the Highest Good, Clinton Swaine's 
Play to Win and etc.) 
 
I am looking for people who are willing to meet up once a week to form a core 
group here in Fairfield with the courage to manifest what you really want; such 
as in health, money, relationships or spiritual goals. It would be nice to have 
an afternoon group and an evening group and it would be great to have a pot 
luck once a month. 
 
There is no charge for this group.
 
I have all the materials needed, I just need committed, dedicated warm bodies 
that want to play chicken with the application of these laws of intention and 
manifestation.
 
 I would like to hold the first meeting on Friday night, September 19th at 7:30 
pm, in Revelations Bookstore, either upstairs or downstairs. Other meetings can 
be at my home, outdoors and other public places depending on the theme for that 
week.
 
If you are interested, you can email me back or call me at 
760 687-5911
 
Jai Guru Dev Maharishi
Susan


  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Michael Moore: Liberals, lay off Palin

2008-09-06 Thread Bhairitu
Richard J. Williams wrote:
   
 Bhairitu wrote:
   
 In a much, much larger community that Sarah Palin 
 was ever mayor of. Probably a community with more 
 population than the whole state of Alaska. 
  
 
 Maybe so, but what was the result? There is rampant
 unemployment in Chicago, but in Achorage there is a 
 surplus of jobs. Why is it that the high unemployment
 is concentrated in all the 'blue' states, the ones 
 with the liberal governors and senators?
   
Because nobody wants to live in cold, inhospitable Alaska.  Would you 
live there?  Why do you live in Texas (with it's high taxes)?  Everyone 
wants to live in places like California because of the weather.  They'd 
probably live in Mexico that has even better weather year around if we 
could get rid of the corruption there and it was part of the US.  Maybe 
a NAU isn't such a bad idea after but they wanted to spring it on the 
public because they knew the public would not support it.
   
 And after all how did 2006 go?   

 
 From what I've read, Obama was a community orgainizer
 in a small neighborhood in Chicago, most of whom used
 to go to church with Obama to listen to the Rev. 
 Wright. Apparently Obama sat next to Mr. Rezko. I
 wonder where Rezko is now?
   
No, that is not the question I asked.  Again, how did 2006 go or to be 
even more clear the 2006 election?
   
 I suspect 2008 will go the same way.

 
 Well, I guess they closed down the housing project
 Mr. Obama organized in Chicago, but the library up
 in Wasilla, Alaska is still open and serving the 
 public.
   
Apparently with only Palin approved books or at least she attempted 
that.  Are you also a dominionist?

 Apparently Obama took up with the terrorist Bill 
 Ayers and relieved the Annenburg Foundation of 
 several million dollars. I wonder what happened to 
 all the money?
   
Where is your evidence of this?
   
 Your party is over.

 
 If Obama's idea of community orgainizing can't 
 produce anything better than a big new million 
 dollar house for himself and one for the Rev Wright, 
 then probably your party is over!
   
A million dollar house isn't anything nowadays and a politician, even 
conservative ones, needs to live in a secure neighborhood.  This 
argument has little merit.  My bet as we move away from the Republican 
convention we'll see more of a surge in the polls for Obama and there is 
already a surge in Democratic Party voter registrations:
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Democrats_post_big_gains_in_voter_0906.html

 I don't doubt that Obama is saddened by his 
 mentor's conviction, but the rest of his statement 
 is from outer space. This isn't the Tony Rezko 
 I knew. Deja vu, anyone? I could swear I've 
 heard it somewhere before. Sure enough--the 
 racist, anti-American Rev. Wright whom we've all 
 seen on video wasn't the Rev. Wright whom Obama 
 knew for 20 years, either. And the outrageously 
 bigoted Father Pfleger wasn't the Pfleger whom 
 Obama assiduously supported with earmarks--another 
 form of political corruption.

 Read more:

 'The Most Wildly Inappropriate Statement Ever?'
 Posted by Posted by John Hinderaker:
 Powerline, June 4, 2008
 http://tinyurl.com/6jygm4
Mudslinging the popular sport of election years through history.   What 
else is new.  Why aren't you posting Bill O'Reilly or Sean Hannity too?




[FairfieldLife] Crop Circle, Cherhill, reported 7'th August

2008-09-06 Thread nablusoss1008
http://tinyurl.com/64rl93



[FairfieldLife] Re: Amazing beverage for ice found in Russia!

2008-09-06 Thread Richard J. Williams



[FairfieldLife] Crop Circle, Lockeridge, Wiltshire

2008-09-06 Thread nablusoss1008
Done by very drunk english lads in a couple of hours during thursday 
7'th August:

http://tinyurl.com/55kn2r



[FairfieldLife] Re: Fiscal conservatism

2008-09-06 Thread John
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 John wrote:
  The Republicans are actually telling the truth of 
  what they intend to do in office.  In the economic 
  front, they say: we will reduce taxes and increase 
  national security.  Thus, the USA has a deficit 
  because the taxes were reduced and American troops 
  are in Iraq and Afghanistan.
  
  In effect, the Americans should think about what 
  they're voting for in the next election.  
 
  One way or another, politicians are going to cost 
  you money.
  
 Myabe so.
 
 Do federal payroll taxes pay for the war Iraq and 
 Afghanistan? Obama apparently voted to cut off the
 funding for U.S. troops, but did he vote to cut any
 payroll taxes?

I don't know how Obama voted relating to payroll taxes.  But he is 
touting or tooting a new tune these days.  He is proposing to cut 
taxes, which sounds good to the American people.  He'll gain points 
with this one.

On the other hand, he is consistently opposed against the war in Iraq 
and is for continuing the US military presence in Afghanistan.  It 
appears that he is playing the right chord on this one too. 
  





[FairfieldLife] Re: Fiscal conservatism

2008-09-06 Thread John
   
 
  You've captured what has long struck me 
  as an inborn conflict of the conservative 
  agenda. People who stand for low taxes and 
  a strong military are at odds with themselves. 
  A strong military requires a big cash outlay - 
  as much as 54% of the budget, by one measure:
 
  http://www.warresisters.org/pages/piechart.htm
 
  Seems to me, if we're to have a strong military 
  and low taxes, we'll need to borrow lots of money.
 I've always called the military industrial complex a corporate 
welfare 
 state.  It doesn't deserve to exist and covertly arranges for wars 
so 
 that it can sell its hardware.  If you are against welfare then you 
have 
 to be against it all the way around and that is also to be against 
 corporate welfare whether it be for the military industrial complex 
or 
 forcing our agricultural products on countries quite capable of 
growing 
 their own and in the process destroying their agricultural economy. 
 
 Don't forget that Eisenhower warned us of the military industrial 
 complex and his fears about them have materialized.


Whether we like or not, the military industrial complex will always 
be present in the American economy and politics.  The pragmatic 
approach to the situation is to have a president who will reduce the 
expenditures for the military.  This requires a president to have a 
new vision as to where the direction of the American economy should 
be headed.

At the present time, the priority should be to reduce the US treasury 
debt which is causing the economic problems we are having now.







[FairfieldLife] Barak will not be bullied!

2008-09-06 Thread Richard J. Williams
Our next President, Barak Obama, will not 
be bullied by hockey moms, former PTA members, 
or small-town mayors like Sarah Palin!

Whether Obama is revealing personal weakness 
or simply highlighting the historic weakness 
of his party, this is not talk that projects 
strength, especially in the current context 
- what is Obama saying, he won't be bullied 
by a 44 year old hockey mom?  Stand Tall, 
Barack - you won't be bullied by Sarah Palin!

Read more: 

'Obama Will Not be Bullied!'
Posted by Tom Maguire
http://tinyurl.com/6chh37



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fiscal conservatism

2008-09-06 Thread Sal Sunshine

On Sep 6, 2008, at 3:16 PM, do.rflex wrote:


People react to fear, not love; they don't teach that in Sunday
School, but it's true.

-Richard M. Nixon


Well, I'm not sure he was wrong--people *react* to fear,
while they respond to love.  Corny but true.

Or, as a famous philosopher put it, You attract more
flies with honey than vinegar.

Sal




[FairfieldLife] Re: Fiscal conservatism

2008-09-06 Thread John
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 On Sep 6, 2008, at 3:16 PM, do.rflex wrote:
 
  People react to fear, not love; they don't teach that in Sunday
  School, but it's true.
 
  -Richard M. Nixon
 
 Well, I'm not sure he was wrong--people *react* to fear,
 while they respond to love.  Corny but true.
 
 Or, as a famous philosopher put it, You attract more
 flies with honey than vinegar.
 
 Sal


LOL.  There was also a Roman philosopher who said, Life is short.  
Let's have a drink.  They may be related.







Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fiscal conservatism

2008-09-06 Thread Bhairitu
John wrote:

 Whether we like or not, the military industrial complex will always 
 be present in the American economy and politics.  The pragmatic 
 approach to the situation is to have a president who will reduce the 
 expenditures for the military.  This requires a president to have a 
 new vision as to where the direction of the American economy should 
 be headed.
   
You're certainly idealistic.  The MIC has TOO MUCH POWER.  GE is a major 
part of the MIC and owns NBC and MSNBC.  The MIC as GE is an example of 
has too much control over the media.  They want eternal war for eternal 
profits.  Your attitude is just to give up and except it.  Not an 
enlightened approach at all.

We need the anti-trust laws back in force again and break up these big 
corporations and keep them from merging again.  The suit boys will whine 
but who the fuck are they anyway?  It's not their planet.  Fuck 'em!
 At the present time, the priority should be to reduce the US treasury 
 debt which is causing the economic problems we are having now.
   
Indeed but lets not be too idealistic about it.



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fiscal conservatism

2008-09-06 Thread Bhairitu
Sal Sunshine wrote:
 On Sep 6, 2008, at 3:16 PM, do.rflex wrote:

 People react to fear, not love; they don't teach that in Sunday
 School, but it's true.

 -Richard M. Nixon

 Well, I'm not sure he was wrong--people *react* to fear,
 while they respond to love.  Corny but true.

 Or, as a famous philosopher put it, You attract more
 flies with honey than vinegar.

 Sal
And people who have no fear of death don't react to fear at all.  If 
they seem fearful it is more likely that they are just annoyed.  I would 
say that extends to many people in this group who after years of 
meditation should no longer fear death.  IOW, to the fear mongers we are 
a dangerous force because we can't be controlled by them.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Fiscal conservatism

2008-09-06 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 On Sep 6, 2008, at 3:16 PM, do.rflex wrote:
 
  People react to fear, not love; they don't teach that in Sunday
  School, but it's true.
 
  -Richard M. Nixon
 
 Well, I'm not sure he was wrong--people *react* to fear,
 while they respond to love.  Corny but true.
 
 Or, as a famous philosopher put it, You attract more
 flies with honey than vinegar.
 
 Sal


I think Barry's suggestion, like Nixon's, was that using fear to
manipulate people works quite well for politicians.

Here's another similar lovely quote that illustrates the meaning:

Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on
a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of
it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common
people don't want war neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that
matter in Germany. That is understood. 

But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the
policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along,
whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament,
or a communist dictatorship. 

Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of
the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are
being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism
and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country. 

~~  Hermann Goering






[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

2008-09-06 Thread lurkernomore20002000
The article I read was in Friday's NYT, the WeekendArts section, in 
an art review titled, Mr. Natural Goes the the Museum  You will 
enjoy it!


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000
 steve.sundur@ wrote:
 
  Hey, did you notice the Crumbster, or an exhibit about his work 
got 
  a good write up in the NYT yesterday.
 
 No. And I thank you from the bottom of my heart
 for bringing it to my attention.
 
 
http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/c/robert_c
rumb/index.html
 
 or 
 
 http://tinyurl.com/6hjwaa
 
 I really love Robert. He is one of the most sincere,
 straightforward, honest people it has ever been my
 good fortune to meet. You just want to hug him, 
 but you don't, because you know it would make him 
 uncomfortable.
 
 What those who have never really dived into his more
 esoteric (read limited edition and expensive)
 work may not realize is the God's-honest-truthness
 of the lines from the article, ...art critic Robert 
 Hughes once called Mr. Crumb 'the Bruegel of the 20th 
 century.' 
 
 He's that good. I'm into art. I've seen the line
 drawings of Bruegel and all of the other Dutch
 Masters. Robert's in their league.
 
 Also from the article: Mr. Crumb's work presents a 
 vision of American life as a phantasmagoric gallery 
 of grotesques that is as gripping as it is harshly 
 funny.
 
 Hey, I lived for a time as Robert's next-door neighbor.
 Life often IS a a phantasmagoric gallery of grotesques
 in Sauve. But it's also To Die For Funny, and I loved 
 that Robert, given all he's been through, could laugh 
 at it as much as he does. 
 
 One of the first things that endeared me to R.Crumb,
 the first time I met him in Paris, is that he laughed 
 at my jokes. 
 
 Really. 
 
 I mean, he *really* laughed.
 
 Get a couple of glasses of wine in me, and I tell jokes.
 It's just who I am, and what I do. And I *understand*
 that some of my friends put up with my jokes only because
 they really, really love me.
 
 But, weirdo that I am, I really *get into* the telling
 of a good joke. I look at a joke as an artform, something
 that one practices but never masters. So I don't just
 tell jokes over and over, I *tune* them, and try to make
 them more *effective* jokes. 
 
 This inner artistic quest has so far met with far too
 much stony non-laughter. Maybe it's my choice of jokes.
 
 But Robert really *liked* my jokes. And when he did --
 and it would always take him a few seconds before he
 did, and realized that he did -- he would burst into
 the most Buddhalike laughter I have ever heard.
 
 It was like someone who carried the weight of the
 world around on his shoulders for a living suddenly
 having a moment that made him laugh.
 
 Contributing to that laughter, whenever I could, were
 the high points of my time in Sauve.





[FairfieldLife] Tropic Thunder-Go See

2008-09-06 Thread lurkernomore20002000
Don't know it's been discussed here, but just saw Tropic Thunder. 
with my 12yr. old. Sounds strange, but the 12yr. old is somehow more 
tuned in to that language and references than my 15yr. old.  Lot of f-
words and sexual references.  I wasn't quite expecting that.  
(thinking of the 12yr. old here) Tom Cruise was excellent. 



[FairfieldLife] Ancient Greek analog computer

2008-09-06 Thread Rick Archer
Fascinating video about an ancient Greek analog computer which could predict
eclipses 1500 years ahead:

Check it out.

http://www.nature.com/nature/videoarchive/antikythera/



[FairfieldLife] Bill Maher: You don't like Obama cuz he's smarter 'n you

2008-09-06 Thread bob_brigante
Barack Obama can't help it if he's a magna cum laude Harvard grad and 
you're a Wal-Mart shopper who resurfaces driveways with your brother-in-
law. Americans are so narcissistic that our candidates have to be just 
like us. That's why George Bush is president. And that's where the 
McCain camp gets its campaign strategy: Paint Obama as cocky and 
arrogant and wait for America to vote him off, like the black guy in 
every reality show. A black president? Half of Pennsylvania isn't ready 
for black quarterbacks. Forget Obama, they think Will Smith needs to be 
taken down a peg. 

http://tinyurl.com/6h75l6



[FairfieldLife] America's Greenest Schools: MUM's supergreen bldg

2008-09-06 Thread bob_brigante
http://www.thonline.com/article.cfm?id=211611



[FairfieldLife] MUM's Sustainable Living Center

2008-09-06 Thread bob_brigante
http://tinyurl.com/5gsrzx



[FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Maher: You don't like Obama cuz he's smarter 'n you

2008-09-06 Thread sgrayatlarge
Whaddever you say Billy Boy

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Barack Obama can't help it if he's a magna cum laude Harvard grad 
and 
 you're a Wal-Mart shopper who resurfaces driveways with your 
brother-in-
 law. Americans are so narcissistic that our candidates have to be 
just 
 like us. That's why George Bush is president. And that's where the 
 McCain camp gets its campaign strategy: Paint Obama as cocky and 
 arrogant and wait for America to vote him off, like the black guy 
in 
 every reality show. A black president? Half of Pennsylvania isn't 
ready 
 for black quarterbacks. Forget Obama, they think Will Smith needs 
to be 
 taken down a peg. 
 
 http://tinyurl.com/6h75l6





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Real Reason For Attacks on Palin

2008-09-06 Thread Sal Sunshine

On Sep 5, 2008, at 10:07 PM, authfriend wrote:


Gee, I thought it was pretty clear from my
posts. My ideology hasn't changed, but the
Democratic Party is no longer in tune with
it.


You and Ronnie: I didn't leave the Democratic Party,
the Democratic Party left me.


The Dems took over Congress in 2006, but not
a damn thing has changed; they're still
kowtowing to the Republicans.


And as as I recall, Judy, when Barry pointed  out to you
that that seemed like what they were gearing up to do,
and then I did as well, you ridiculed us and basically said
that all they needed was time.

Glad to see you finally agree. :)  Have fun on the dark side.

Sal




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fiscal conservatism

2008-09-06 Thread Sal Sunshine

On Sep 6, 2008, at 3:54 PM, John wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:


On Sep 6, 2008, at 3:16 PM, do.rflex wrote:


People react to fear, not love; they don't teach that in Sunday
School, but it's true.

-Richard M. Nixon


Well, I'm not sure he was wrong--people *react* to fear,
while they respond to love.  Corny but true.

Or, as a famous philosopher put it, You attract more
flies with honey than vinegar.

Sal



LOL.  There was also a Roman philosopher who said, Life is short.   
Let's have a drink.  They may be related.


Are you sure that wasn't George Bush in one of his
more lucid moments?

Sal




[FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Maher: You don't like Obama cuz he's smarter 'n you

2008-09-06 Thread sgrayatlarge
-That's why Obama chose Biden, as an intellectual counter weight.
Smart move



-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Barack Obama can't help it if he's a magna cum laude Harvard grad 
and 
 you're a Wal-Mart shopper who resurfaces driveways with your 
brother-in-
 law. Americans are so narcissistic that our candidates have to be 
just 
 like us. That's why George Bush is president. And that's where the 
 McCain camp gets its campaign strategy: Paint Obama as cocky and 
 arrogant and wait for America to vote him off, like the black guy 
in 
 every reality show. A black president? Half of Pennsylvania isn't 
ready 
 for black quarterbacks. Forget Obama, they think Will Smith needs 
to be 
 taken down a peg. 
 
 http://tinyurl.com/6h75l6





RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Maher: You don't like Obama cuz he's smarter 'n you

2008-09-06 Thread Rick Archer
Full text:

 


Republicans, stop calling Obama elitist


Because the real reason you don't like him is that he's smarter than you.

By Bill Maher

Sept. 5, 2008 | New Rule: Republicans need to stop saying Barack Obama is an
elitist, or looks down on rural people, and just admit you don't like him
because of something he can't help, something that's a result of the way he
was born. Admit it, you're not voting for him because he's smarter than you.


In her acceptance speech, Gov. Sarah Palin accused Obama of using his run
for the White House as a journey of personal discovery -- this from the
lady who just spent 10 minutes of her speech introducing her family --
Track, Trig, Bristol, Piper -- for a minute there I thought she was calling
in an airstrike. 

Karl Rove described Obama as the guy at the country club with the beautiful
date, holding a martini, and making snide comments about everyone who passes
by. Unlike George Bush, who's the guy at the country club who makes snide
comments, and then passes out. Now this characterization, of course, was
something Mr. Rove just completely pulled out of his bulbous, gelatinous
ass, but remember this is America, a land where people believe anything they
hear. One of McCain's ads casts Obama as the one, implying he thinks he's
the Messiah. Good, maybe he can raise McCain from the dead. 

It doesn't matter to Karl Rove that his country club characterization is
fictitious, it's the role that Obama must play if the party of plutocrats is
going to win over the little guy. Over and over at this convention we heard
about the new put-upon victim in our society, the person in America, like
Sarah Palin, who's constantly mocked because they're from a ... small town!
Governor Yup Yup's got 'em all riled up about being disrespected. 

Barack Obama can't help it if he's a magna cum laude Harvard grad and you're
a Wal-Mart shopper who resurfaces driveways with your brother-in-law.
Americans are so narcissistic that our candidates have to be just like us.
That's why George Bush is president. And that's where the McCain camp gets
its campaign strategy: Paint Obama as cocky and arrogant and wait for
America to vote him off, like the black guy in every reality show. A black
president? Half of Pennsylvania isn't ready for black quarterbacks. Forget
Obama, they think Will Smith needs to be taken down a peg. 

And finally: As for country first, you know who's putting country first? I
am, by supporting Obama, because a victory this fall for the
McCain-Mooseburger ticket would make my job in the next four years very,
very easy. 

 



[FairfieldLife] Re: The Real Reason For Attacks on Palin

2008-09-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 On Sep 5, 2008, at 10:07 PM, authfriend wrote:
 
  Gee, I thought it was pretty clear from my
  posts. My ideology hasn't changed, but the
  Democratic Party is no longer in tune with
  it.
 
 You and Ronnie: I didn't leave the Democratic Party,
 the Democratic Party left me.

No, as I said, I've left the Democratic Party.

Reagan, I believe, became a Republican, did he not?

  The Dems took over Congress in 2006, but not
  a damn thing has changed; they're still
  kowtowing to the Republicans.
 
 And as as I recall, Judy, when Barry pointed  out to you
 that that seemed like what they were gearing up to do,
 and then I did as well, you ridiculed us and basically said
 that all they needed was time.

Nope, you recall incorrectly. What I pointed
out repeatedly was that the newly Democratic
Congress was *in a position* to turn things
around and that we needed to give them a little
time before we could determine whether they
were going to or not. If I ridiculed you--and
I don't believe I did--it would have been for
proclaiming something you had no basis for 
being so certain about.

You might want to check out post #123015. Your
fave Michael Moore was highly optimistic--more
so than I was--about what Congress would
accomplish.

 Glad to see you finally agree. :)  Have fun on the dark side.

Just out of curiosity, Sal, what is it in your
fevered imagination that you think of as the
dark side that I'm supposedly now on?

I ask because you've lied so often about where I
stand; I'm interested to know if you're doing it
again.




[FairfieldLife] Palin Home Pregnancy Kit

2008-09-06 Thread Vaj
 From Real Time with Bill Maher

So easy to use, even a fundamentalist Christian could use it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXz3cOV8A_w


Re: [FairfieldLife] Crop Circle reported Agust 16, Wiltshire

2008-09-06 Thread Peter
Dang, I thought we were not visible with our Harry Potter invisibility cloaks! 
Nabs, stop spilling the beans, please!


--- On Sat, 9/6/08, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Crop Circle reported Agust 16, Wiltshire
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 4:13 PM
 Another Crop Circle made by peter on heavy medication and
 som drunken 
 british lads:
 
 http://tinyurl.com/6j5j5w
 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: technologies for manifesting intentions

2008-09-06 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[snip]
  
 Jai Guru Dev Maharishi
 Susan



Is this something new in our TM culture since the passing of Maharishi?

That the phrase Jai Guru Dev has now morphed into Jai Guru Dev 
Maharishi?

Please let me know as I am usually the last to know these things...



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2008-09-06 Thread FFL PostCount
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Now THAT is a shotgun wedding

2008-09-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
 And wouldn't you know it...
 
 Gov. Palin is a strong proponent of teaching abstinence-only sex
 education to teenagers.
 
 http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/gov-palin-says.html

Wrong.

From the Los Angeles Times:

Palin appears to disagree with McCain on sex education

The Republican vice presidential candidate says students should be 
taught about condoms. Her running mate -- and the party platform -- 
disagree.

By Seema Mehta
Los Angeles Times Staff Writer

September 6, 2008

...In a widely quoted 2006 survey [Palin] answered during her 
gubernatorial campaign, Palin said she supported abstinence-until-
marriage programs. But weeks later, she proclaimed herself pro-
contraception and said condoms ought to be discussed in schools 
alongside abstinence.

I'm pro-contraception, and I think kids who may not hear about it at 
home should hear about it in other avenues, she said during a debate 
in Juneau

Palin spokeswoman Maria Comella said the governor stands by her 2006 
statement, supporting sex education that covers both abstinence and 
contraception

Palin's statements date to her 2006 gubernatorial run. In July of 
that year, she completed a candidate questionnaire that asked, would 
she support funding for abstinence-until-marriage programs instead 
of explicit sex-education programs, school-based clinics and the 
distribution of contraceptives in schools?

Palin wrote, Yes, the explicit sex-ed programs will not find my 
support.

But in August of that year, Palin was asked during a KTOO radio 
debate if explicit programs include those that discuss condoms. 
Palin said no and called discussions of condoms relatively benign.

Explicit means explicit, she said. No, I'm pro-contraception, and 
I think kids who may not hear about it at home should hear about it 
in other avenues. So I am not anti-contraception. But, yeah, 
abstinence is another alternative that should be discussed with kids. 
I don't have a problem with that. That doesn't scare me, so it's 
something I would support also.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-sexed6-
2008sep06,0,3119305.story

http://tinyurl.com/5nog8z




[FairfieldLife] Re: Ancient Greek analog computer

2008-09-06 Thread John
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Fascinating video about an ancient Greek analog computer which could 
predict
 eclipses 1500 years ahead:
 
 Check it out.
 
 http://www.nature.com/nature/videoarchive/antikythera/


 That was very interesting.  It makes one wonder: what else did the 
Greeks know?  Where did they get the knowledge to make such a mechanism?

In astrology, the Greek and Hindu systems have some similarities.  For 
example, both systems use the same 12 signs of the zodiac.  And, the 
lords of these zodiac signs are the same.

So, it appears that these two systems either came from a common source, 
or that the two systems borrowed from each other at one point in the 
ancient past.





[FairfieldLife] Superlative University of Management

2008-09-06 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 http://tinyurl.com/5gsrzx



Hey, it's not JUST a sustainable living center, it's the WORLD'S most 
advanced sustainable living center.

Don't these clowns see that when they use superlatives like this that 
they are destroying any little credibility that they have left?



[FairfieldLife] Re: The Real Reason For Attacks on Palin

2008-09-06 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:


[snip]

 Have fun on the dark side.
 
 Sal



On the same note, I was listening to one of those right-wing talk shows 
the other day and they were commenting on how shocked and taken aback 
the Democrats were as a result of Sarah Palin's appointment as VP.  

The host, Hugh Hewitt, said that the Democrats were regrouping in 
Mordor.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Fiscal conservatism

2008-09-06 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[snip]


 LOL.  There was also a Roman philosopher who said, Life is short.  
 Let's have a drink.  They may be related.



Grub first, then ethics -- Bertolt Brecht



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Now THAT is a shotgun wedding

2008-09-06 Thread Sal Sunshine

On Sep 6, 2008, at 7:19 PM, authfriend wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip

And wouldn't you know it...

Gov. Palin is a strong proponent of teaching abstinence-only sex
education to teenagers.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/gov-palin-says.html


Wrong.

From the Los Angeles Times:

Palin appears to disagree with McCain on sex education

The Republican vice presidential candidate says students should be
taught about condoms. Her running mate -- and the party platform --
disagree.

By Seema Mehta
Los Angeles Times Staff Writer

September 6, 2008

...In a widely quoted 2006 survey


Notice the date, Judy?  2006


[Palin] answered during her
gubernatorial campaign, Palin said she supported abstinence-until-
marriage programs. But weeks later, she proclaimed herself pro-
contraception


Ah, she was against contraception before she was for it.
Got it.


and said condoms ought to be discussed in schools
alongside abstinence.

I'm pro-contraception...


Evidently she forgot to tell her daughter.

Sal




[FairfieldLife] Re: Palin Home Pregnancy Kit

2008-09-06 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  From Real Time with Bill Maher
 
 So easy to use, even a fundamentalist Christian could use it.
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXz3cOV8A_w



Now, THAT is funny!



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Real Reason For Attacks on Palin

2008-09-06 Thread Sal Sunshine

On Sep 6, 2008, at 7:43 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:

On the same note, I was listening to one of those right-wing talk  
shows

the other day and they were commenting on how shocked and taken aback
the Democrats were as a result of Sarah Palin's appointment as VP.

The host, Hugh Hewitt, said that the Democrats were regrouping in  
Mordor.



Regrouping?  Heck, that's where we live.

Sal




[FairfieldLife] Re: Bill Maher: You don't like Obama cuz he's smarter 'n you

2008-09-06 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Full text:
 
  
 
 
 Republicans, stop calling Obama elitist


We wouldn't mind if Obama was just an elitist, Rick.

We mind because he is a Marxist elitist.



[FairfieldLife] Saw a lawn sign for this candidate today in Phoenix

2008-09-06 Thread shempmcgurk
http://www.teamschmuck.com/





[FairfieldLife] Ban guns? Heck, Britain should ban Equestrian

2008-09-06 Thread shempmcgurk
http://tinyurl.com/5tmrfs





[FairfieldLife] Re: Michael Moore: Liberals, lay off Palin

2008-09-06 Thread boo_lives
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Curtis wrote: 
  That stuff about his associating with terrorists 
  doesn't pass the smell test with me and demeaning 
  his community organizing work is pathetic.  
 
 From what I've read, Obama used to work for the
 terrorist Ayers. They both got a lot of money from
 the Anneneburg Foundation for a housing project.

Maybe you should read some facts.  Ayers has been on the board of the
annenburg foundation along with many other leading citizens of chicago
for many yrs.  Obama was on it for 3 yrs.  Maybe you could read up on
what exactly a board of directors is and does and you'd understand
obama never got any money from that foundation.  Ayers is a professor
and active in helping the poor, he's not under any criminal suspicion,
though he was a member of the weather underground.

 Apparently you haven't been keeping up with the 
 news!
 
You reading chain emails from paid right wing assassins?

  Doing good is not bad.  Not by a long shot.
  
 But the housing project is now boarded up. What
 happened to all the money? Is this an example of
 the kind of community orgainizing you'd want for
 your neighborhood?
 
 Documents released Tuesday by the University of 
 Illinois at Chicago shed some light on Barack 
 Obama's relationship with William Ayers, a 
 founding member of the 1960s and 1970s radical 
 group the Weather Underground.
 
The documents showed virtually no connection between obama and ayers
except both present at some boards meetings together.

 Read more:
 
 'Newly Released Documents Highlight Obama's 
 Relationship With Ayers'
 Fox News, Tuesday, August 26, 2008
 http://tinyurl.com/5bwee2





[FairfieldLife] Re: Now THAT is a shotgun wedding

2008-09-06 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 On Sep 6, 2008, at 7:19 PM, authfriend wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ 
wrote:
  snip
  And wouldn't you know it...
 
  Gov. Palin is a strong proponent of teaching abstinence-only sex
  education to teenagers.
 
  http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/gov-palin-
says.html
 
  Wrong.
 
  From the Los Angeles Times:
 
  Palin appears to disagree with McCain on sex education
 
  The Republican vice presidential candidate says students should be
  taught about condoms. Her running mate -- and the party platform -
-
  disagree.
 
  By Seema Mehta
  Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
 
  September 6, 2008
 
  ...In a widely quoted 2006 survey
 
 Notice the date, Judy?  2006

Yes, Sal, I did notice the date. Did you think it
had some special astrological significance, perhaps?

  [Palin] answered during her
  gubernatorial campaign, Palin said she supported abstinence-until-
  marriage programs. But weeks later, she proclaimed herself pro-
  contraception
 
 Ah, she was against contraception before she was for it.
 Got it.

Nope, you missed it. Read it again, please,
including the parts you snipped.

  and said condoms ought to be discussed in schools
  alongside abstinence.
 
  I'm pro-contraception...
 
 Evidently she forgot to tell her daughter.

Right, nobody *ever* gets pregnant when a condom is
used. They're 100 percent effective, every time.




[FairfieldLife] The Best Daily Show Episode Ever? - The Jed Report

2008-09-06 Thread Rick Archer
The Best Daily Show Episode Ever?

Maybe this isn't the best, but if not, it's right up there, delivering a
wonderful ride through the final night of the GOP convention:

http://www.jedreport.com/2008/09/the-best-daily-show-episode-ev.html 



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