[FairfieldLife] Re: 'David Wants to Fly'
I'm surprised that David Lynch has stayed with TM this long. If he thinks Hollywood has too many rules then maybe he ought to look at TM movement. One would think he would wake up to the scam It appears he got enlightened through TM. He admires Maharishi and TM so much, and is very blissful about it. I doubt that. I just think he thinks TM is a neat thing and hasn't look much further than his nose. you don't have spiritual knowledge so you couldn't understand someone who does. Ah, THE CORRECTOR Defense: You can't know the truth like I do because you're not *special* the way I am. :-) As for Lynch, the only thing I can contribute to the discussion is that I suspect Bhairitu is right on this one. And it's not just that he hasn't ever looked much further than his nose...he *can't*. Before she died, I corresponded for a while with a lovely woman who was Lynch's private secretary for many years. She loved the guy, but was up-front about his many...uh...quirks. She described him as borderline obsessive compulsive and as the most habit-bound and incurious person I've ever met. Lynch eats the same thing every day, and has for decades now. Not just the same meals at the same times...the exact same foods. Is a person that rigid in their thinking and their habits going to be likely to *ever* rethink the TM movement? Just sayin'... I admire that his obsession focuses on the basic TM technique and teaching it. I wish he didn't have to work through the TM movement to teach it. But he does, and thus he is placed in the position of using his idealized good intentions to try to legitimize an organization that does not deserve to be legitimized.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation as Millennial Movement (?)
paste...scholars have generally delinked millennialism from the literal idea of a 1,000 year reign of peace; that's just too Christian to apply to other cultural frameworks. Instead they see the search for an immanent, earthly, transformation that makes this place profoundly better--like, say, Heaven on Earth--as the defining characteristic of millennialism. Once you do that, you see millennialism EVERYWHERE. It's downright eerie how uniform humanity's hopes are; it must be hardwired in us. Of course, the doomsday longing is a bit different, but it seems to be psychologically linked. millennial movements (The End of the World: as we know it), one of the students asked me if the 2012 Mayan calendar prophecies are taken seriously by some of the folks in FF. Apparently, a friend of his new age mom lives in FF or has some sort of connections there (he was vague) and has heard that people have taken up the 2012 hysteria. While it would surprise me if NOBODY in FF took the Mayan stuff seriously, I wouldn't expect widespread enthusiasm for it. (?) From side e-mail: : ...although i would not have used the term, as the promised transformation was never associated specifically w/ millennial timeframes, broadly it definitely fits as that is what we have been taught for many yearseven up to maharishi's last 'transmissions'! he taked about how his 'work was done' and that the descent of heaven on earth was assured. it was not a matter of if nor was it far offbut in our life times. better hurry! and heck. HOE sounds good to mebring it on! =:-) fra e-mail: paste about millennialism, although I'd heard Maharishi talk about the Age of Enlightenment and Creating Heaven on Earth for decades, I'd never really considered the millennial aspects of the Movement.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'David Wants to Fly'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: Lynch eats the same thing every day, and has for decades now. Not just the same meals at the same times...the exact same foods. Is a person that rigid in their thinking and their habits going to be likely to *ever* rethink the TM movement? Just sayin'... Just sayin' - Good, 'cos that's pretty darn tenuous! His habit sounds weird in a considered kinda way - the kind of thing only someone who IS prepared to stray from the norm and from un-examined habits might do, no? [Hang on a minute - does anyone know of some good anti-malware software? My keyboard has been hijacked by a CORRECTOR trojan! Wait, let's see...IP address is somewhere in darkest Manhatten...]
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'David Wants to Fly'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost...@... wrote: [Hang on a minute - does anyone know of some good anti-malware software? My keyboard has been hijacked by a CORRECTOR trojan! Wait, let's see...IP address is somewhere in darkest Manhatten...] A CORRECTOR trojan sounds like the male counterpart of a padded bra. That is, a condom that's padded so that objects appear larger and more important than they really are. :-) Besides, if the CORRECTOR trojan were as full of holes as THE CORRECTOR's pro- nouncements, it isn't going to work very well for either birth control or disease prevention. It would be just for show, as in I like to be perc3eived as if I'm doing the right thing, but it's all for show. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Product Recall - 'fix' for problems with meditation
It is reported that there is to be a recall of faulty techniques by the meditation conglomerate MahaMcRishi International. It seems that people have experienced problems or failures in their meditation programs due to technique problems which have now been sorted. Anyone wishing to upgrade can do so free-of-charge by using the technique 'fix'. Former TM advocate and author Paul Mason is quoted as saying; 'I find that by not using a mantra but otherwise using the TM instructions of quietening the mind, and letting go of thoughts, but treating the mantra as just another thought, the profundity of the meditation is increased many-fold. In fact there is no proper comparison between TM and mantra-freeTM. The one is like a bicycle with stabilisers and the other like a state-of-the-art submarine.'
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'David Wants to Fly'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@ wrote: [Hang on a minute - does anyone know of some good anti-malware software? My keyboard has been hijacked by a CORRECTOR trojan! Wait, let's see...IP address is somewhere in darkest Manhatten...] A CORRECTOR trojan sounds like the male counterpart of a padded bra. That is, a condom that's padded so that objects appear larger and more important than they really are. :-) Gosh - you've been round the block! Is there ANYTHING you haven't tried? (Thanks for the tip). Besides, if the CORRECTOR trojan were as full of holes as THE CORRECTOR's pro- nouncements, it isn't going to work very well for either birth control or disease prevention. It would be just for show, as in I like to be perc3eived as if I'm doing the right thing, but it's all for show. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Product Recall - 'fix' for problems with meditation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandp...@... wrote: It is reported that there is to be a recall of faulty techniques by the meditation conglomerate MahaMcRishi International. It seems that people have experienced problems or failures in their meditation programs due to technique problems which have now been sorted. Anyone wishing to upgrade can do so free-of-charge by using the technique 'fix'. Former TM advocate and author Paul Mason is quoted as saying; 'I find that by not using a mantra but otherwise using the TM instructions of quietening the mind, and letting go of thoughts, but treating the mantra as just another thought, the profundity of the meditation is increased many-fold. In fact there is no proper comparison between TM and mantra-freeTM. The one is like a bicycle with stabilisers and the other like a state-of-the-art submarine.' Is this a koan Paul? by not using a mantra...but treating the mantra as just another thought ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Missing messages
Over the last couple of days I have posted a couple of follow-ons to previous postings, neither of which have appeared on the blog. I know comments can take a time to show, but 1-3 days, surely that is too long to wait.
[FairfieldLife] Re: om is the vedic mantra in the gita for tm not maharishi's bijas tmers beware
Thanks for your feedback Card. The word praNava gets various mentions by Guru
Dev - he uses it referring to 'OM' quotes from Panchadashi 4.62. Also,
Maharishi himself also uses the word 'pranava', in the 'Beacon Light of the
Himalayas' publication.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandpaul@ wrote:
Interesting connection, thanks Card.
I wonder, do you know of any specific occasions when the word 'praNava' was
used in a Scripture when it was definitely not referring to 'AUM'?
I don't think I've ever encountered that word except in the
yoga-suutra I 27:
tasya vaacakaH praNavaH
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandpaul@ wrote:
What do you think about the 'praNava' Card? What is the etymological
base of this word? People take it to mean 'OM' or 'AUM' but as I
understand it, it means 'humming', the sound of life.
It seems to be derived from the verb 'praNu'
1 praNu [...] to roar , bellow , sound , reverberate RV. AV. ; P.
%{-Nau}. %{ti} , to make a humming or droning sound ; (esp.) to utter the
syllable %{om} Br. ChUp. S3rS.
1 praNavasee %{pra-Nu}.
2 praNava [...] the mystical or sacred syllable %{om} VS. TS.
S3Br. Mn. (ifc. also %{-ka}) c. (%{-tva} n. Ra1matUp.) ; a kind of small
drum or tabor = (and prob. w.r. for) %{paNana} L. [...]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote:
FWIW, the main component of many biija-mantras, ing(a) seems
to be 'agni' backwards.
In my understanding the main purpose
of Agni is to be the messenger of gods, or stuff.
So, perhaps pronouncing 'agni' backwards reverses
the direction of the messages, heh...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Missing messages
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandp...@... wrote: Over the last couple of days I have posted a couple of follow-ons to previous postings, neither of which have appeared on the blog. I know comments can take a time to show, but 1-3 days, surely that is too long to wait. I've experienced the same thing the last couple of days.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Missing messages
Yahoo has been acting up lately. My recent posts have taken hours to show up, and it is certainly possible that posts could go completely missing. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandp...@... wrote: Over the last couple of days I have posted a couple of follow-ons to previous postings, neither of which have appeared on the blog. I know comments can take a time to show, but 1-3 days, surely that is too long to wait.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Missing messages
On Feb 18, 2010, at 7:19 AM, Premanand wrote: Over the last couple of days I have posted a couple of follow-ons to previous postings, neither of which have appeared on the blog. I know comments can take a time to show, but 1-3 days, surely that is too long to wait. Mine typically appears in seconds or a minute or two at most. Recently they're taking hours or not showing up. Sometimes opening a new account, with a new email address helps.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Fog Of Uncertainty
Bhairitu: And here I thought Turq was channeling Cary Grant. ;-) It looks like Turq went down the rabbit hole, big time!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Missing messages
On Feb 18, 2010, at 7:47 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: Yahoo has been acting up lately. My recent posts have taken hours to show up, and it is certainly possible that posts could go completely missing. Two of mine have since yesterday, one a response to lurk and the other to flex. Yahoo doesn't want my words of wisdom...ah, well...:) Too bad we can't turn it on to eat certain posts, you know? Sal
[FairfieldLife] Howlin' Wolf and p-philia??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyAa4Xp3sTg What the heck does he mean by little girls understand?? :0
[FairfieldLife] Re: om is the vedic mantra in the gita for tm not maharishi's bijas tmers beware
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandp...@... wrote:
Thanks for your feedback Card. The word praNava gets various mentions by Guru
Dev - he uses it referring to 'OM' quotes from Panchadashi 4.62. Also,
Maharishi himself also uses the word 'pranava', in the 'Beacon Light of the
Himalayas' publication.
I found an interesting explanation for the word 'praNava'
in atharvashikhaa-upanishad:
praaNaansarvaanparamaatmani praNaanayatiityetasmaatpraNavaH .
I posted my analysis on that shloka, or whatever, but
it probably didn't appear here. I might try again later...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandpaul@ wrote:
Interesting connection, thanks Card.
I wonder, do you know of any specific occasions when the word 'praNava'
was used in a Scripture when it was definitely not referring to 'AUM'?
I don't think I've ever encountered that word except in the
yoga-suutra I 27:
tasya vaacakaH praNavaH
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandpaul@
wrote:
What do you think about the 'praNava' Card? What is the etymological
base of this word? People take it to mean 'OM' or 'AUM' but as I
understand it, it means 'humming', the sound of life.
It seems to be derived from the verb 'praNu'
1 praNu [...] to roar , bellow , sound , reverberate RV. AV. ; P.
%{-Nau}. %{ti} , to make a humming or droning sound ; (esp.) to utter
the syllable %{om} Br. ChUp. S3rS.
1praNavasee %{pra-Nu}.
2 praNava [...] the mystical or sacred syllable %{om} VS. TS.
S3Br. Mn. (ifc. also %{-ka}) c. (%{-tva} n. Ra1matUp.) ; a kind of
small drum or tabor = (and prob. w.r. for) %{paNana} L. [...]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote:
FWIW, the main component of many biija-mantras, ing(a) seems
to be 'agni' backwards.
In my understanding the main purpose
of Agni is to be the messenger of gods, or stuff.
So, perhaps pronouncing 'agni' backwards reverses
the direction of the messages, heh...
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'David Wants to Fly'
WillyTex, Swami Swaroopanand might not be your cup of tea, but he was with Guru Dev for a long time, long before Maharishi was made a brahmachari. Support for the caste system was a part of Guru Dev's teachings, so by condemning Swaroopand you are condemning Guru Dev too. Before jumping to conclusions about the word 'book-keeper' realise that Swaroopanand does not speak English, and the film maker is German, there is ample space for a little error of translation. A photo of Swaroopanand with Guru Dev is on my website at:- http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/introduction.htm about a quarter of the page down, just under the image of a very youthful looking 'Mahesh Prasad' (Maharishi). Swaroopanand is said to be the wild-looking sadhu with the trident. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: The swami tells Sieveking that the Maharashi, from a trader caste, was merely Dev's bookkeeper and has no right to give mantras or teach meditation. So, the Swaroopanand seems to believe in the Hindu caste system. That, in itself, is enough to disqualify him from teaching a spiritual path. From what I've read, the Swami Swaroopanand got a summons for stealing items from the Jyotirmath Ashram and was forced to return the stolen items. This was mentioned in the Times of India. Go figure. Apparently, Guru Dev never accepted money, so what need would he have for a 'bookkeeper'? Sounds to me like the Swaroopanand should maybe resign his seat, or keep his big pie-hole shut! Bhairitu: I'm surprised that David Lynch has stayed with TM this long. If he thinks Hollywood has too many rules then maybe he ought to look at the TM movement. One would think he would wake up to the scam. I'm sure many film cohorts have mentioned other meditation courses far less expensive and not scams. So, I wonder how many years you spent 'scamming' the public? The other Barry says fourteen years, Curtis says twelve, Edg says twenty-five and John Manning claims he scammed over 5,000 people out of their money. What's up with that?
[FairfieldLife] Re: om is the vedic mantra in the gita for tm not maharishi's bijas tmers beware
do you know of any specific occasions when the word 'praNava' was used in a Scripture when it was definitely not referring to 'AUM'? Erik: I don't think I've ever encountered that word except in the yoga-suutra I 27: The Hindu religious symbol 'OM' is a *place-holder*, the 'pranava', for the bija mantra, used in tantrism. It is more of a salutation to Pure Consciousness than a mantra, as explained in Sankara's Anandalahari. It is not, in itself, a 'bija' mantra. OM isn't found in the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali, nor in the Rig Veda or in any of the major Upanishads commented on by the Adi Shankara. Soundarya Lahari: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soundarya_Lahari However, the mono-syllable 'AUM' is delineated in the Mandukhya Upanishad with a famous Karika by Gaudapadacharya. In that scripture is described the various states of consciousness, using the 'AUM' as an acronym, leading to the fourth state of consciousness, termed the 'turiya' in Sanskrit. This has all been explained by the Maharishi: 'Seven States of Consciousness' By Maharishi Mahesh Yogi http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/seven_states.htm The Mandukhya Upanishad is the keystone in the arch of Shankara's Adwaita Vedanta. The scripture was made famous by Gaudapadacharya, the teacher of the teacher of Shankara. Gaudapada composed a famous Karika or commentary on Mundakhya, and Shankara composed a commentary on both, for our understanding. Excerpt from Mandukya Karika: Duality is only an appearance; non-duality is the real truth. The object exists as an object for the knowing subject; but it does not exist outside of consciousness because the distinction of subject and object is within consciousness (IV 25-27) Sharma). Source: 'A Critical Survey of Indian Philosophy' by Chandrahar Sharma, M.A., D. Phil., D. Litt., LL.B., Shastri, Dept. of Phil., Benares Hindu U. Rider, 1960 p. 245-246. Anyone who knows this is sure to construct this whole world and to become also its destruction (Olivelle 288-289). Translation: 'The Upanishads' Translated by Patrick Olivelle, Ph.D. Oxford World's Classics http://tinyurl.com/558mg Dr. Patrick Olivelle, the translator, is the Chair, Department of Asian Studies, and Director, Center for Asian Studies, at the University of Texas at Austin. Department of Asian Studies: http://asnic.utexas.edu/asnic/olivelle/ Read more on Usenet: Thread: Seven States Subject: Maharishi's Ontology Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Author: Willytex Date: Jan 31 2005 http://tinyurl.com/2pznf8
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'David Wants to Fly'
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of TurquoiseB Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 3:21 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'David Wants to Fly' I admire that his obsession focuses on the basic TM technique and teaching it. I wish he didn't have to work through the TM movement to teach it. But he does, and thus he is placed in the position of using his idealized good intentions to try to legitimize an organization that does not deserve to be legitimized. I think he's given a fairly long leash, because he's really having an impact. And Bobby Roth, his right hand man, is one of the most heartsy and creative guys I've ever met. Check out this photo on his blog: http://insidedlf.wordpress.com/
RE: [FairfieldLife] Missing messages
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Premanand Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 6:20 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Missing messages Over the last couple of days I have posted a couple of follow-ons to previous postings, neither of which have appeared on the blog. I know comments can take a time to show, but 1-3 days, surely that is too long to wait. We moderators sometimes get a message if Yahoo flags certain posts as possible spam, but I haven't seen any lately, and would approve yours immediately if they came in.
[FairfieldLife] Britains human rights policies violate natural law, Pope says
I wonder this did not get an airing at FFL, or maybe it did I missed it? Anyway read for yourself how Maharishi the Pope sees things:- http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article7011095.ece http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article7011095.ece
[FairfieldLife] Sthapatya Ved and vaastu course coming soon
There will be a thorough course offered this summer on building architecture of Sthapatya Veda and Vaastu Shastras presented in the pleasant climate of the mountains at the border of Arizona and Mexico. The curriculum is guided by a traditional Sthapati (Indian architect) who had a lengthy visit with Maharish and who was responsible for upgrading Maharishi Sthapatya Veda. It will be taught by his appointed advanced scholars. Please visit www.aumscience.com in a few days for the announcement or email aumcour...@aumscience.com for information. Don't miss this amazing opportunity to truly understand this profound vedic science.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Missing messages
Well just of late Rick, it seems to be a bit hit and miss, a message gets through in seconds, another hours, others not at all. Strange. Perhaps it is this CORRECTOR trojan that is being talked about? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Premanand Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 6:20 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Missing messages Over the last couple of days I have posted a couple of follow-ons to previous postings, neither of which have appeared on the blog. I know comments can take a time to show, but 1-3 days, surely that is too long to wait. We moderators sometimes get a message if Yahoo flags certain posts as possible spam, but I haven't seen any lately, and would approve yours immediately if they came in.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Patanjali, Vyasa and Shankara on Omkar, Ishvara and Samadhi
bill: Shankara says: The yogi who does both these achieves one-pointedness of the mind. By repetition of Om he has his mind turned toward Ishvara and he meditates on the meaning of Om, i.e. Ishvara... Not sure where this saying comes from - maybe it's from Shankara's Vivarna on the commentary by Vyasa, on Patanjali's Yoga Sutra. If so, most folks on this forum don't seem to be aware of Shankara making any comments on Patanjali. There's no 'OM' mentioned in the Saundaryalahari, and no 'OM' in the Sri Vidya fifteen bija mantras, composed by the Adi Shankaracharya, (circa 800 AD). There's no OM' in mentioned in the Hindu scriptures: Rig Veda, Brahma Sutra, Yoga Sutra, or in the Bhagavad Gita. The monosyllable 'OM' isn't even mentioned by the historical Buddha. Lord Chaitanya didn't advocate the chanting of 'OM'. And the chanting or meditating on 'OM' isn't advocated by the Ramana Marshy. So, if chanting 'OM' isn't based on the scriptures, then it is just an invention, added on much later, a symbol devised for the uninitiated. 'OM' isn't a genuine tantric bija mantra, that's the point.
[FairfieldLife] Swami Sivananda's meeting with Great saints,Rishikesh,India
This video shows a meeting between Shantanand and Sivanand, amongst other clips. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2L89lxG6tHQfeature=player_embedded#
[FairfieldLife] Re: Missing messages
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandp...@... wrote: Well just of late Rick, it seems to be a bit hit and miss, a message gets through in seconds, another hours, others not at all. Strange. Perhaps it is this CORRECTOR trojan that is being talked about? Could be? The big_red_pen crosses through entire posts server-side? I'm worried about CORRECTOR trojan 2.0. Rumour has it that it intercepts the ERROR post before it even enters your consciousness. You don't even know you've been edited. If you can just get your mind together Then come on across to me We'll hold hands and then we'll watch the sunrise From the bottom of the sea But first, are you post-edited? Have you ever been post-edited? Well, I have I know, I know you probably scream and cry That your little world won't let you go But who in your measly little world Are you trying to prove that You're made out of gold and, eh, can't be sold So, are you e post-edited? Have you ever been post-edited? Well, I have Let me prove you... Trumpets and violins I can hear in distance I think they're calling our names Maybe now you can't hear them, but you will If you just take hold of my hand Oh, but are you post-edited? Have you ever been post-edited? Not necessarily stoned, but beautiful... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Premanand Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 6:20 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Missing messages Over the last couple of days I have posted a couple of follow-ons to previous postings, neither of which have appeared on the blog. I know comments can take a time to show, but 1-3 days, surely that is too long to wait. We moderators sometimes get a message if Yahoo flags certain posts as possible spam, but I haven't seen any lately, and would approve yours immediately if they came in.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Product Recall - 'fix' for problems with meditation
Premanand: Former TM advocate and author Paul Mason is quoted as saying; 'I find that by not using a mantra but otherwise using the TM instructions of quietening the mind, and letting go of thoughts, but treating the mantra as just another thought, the profundity of the meditation is increased many-fold... Maybe so. I've tried various forms of meditation, both with and without the mantra. Like BillyG I was once practicing the meditation techniques taught by Parmahansa Yogananda, who taught meditation on the sound current. Kirpal Singh taught likewise, so this is nothing new. In fact, the Ramana Maharshi taugh meditation in this way. All you have to do is 'be aware of being aware' - it's that simple. According to the Zen Master Shunryo Suzuki, all you have to do is 'sit' - this 'just sitting' IS enlightenment itself. But, in many cases the use of nemonic devices, such as mantra, yantra, dharani, or asana, will provide support for the higher states. When you think about IT, the state of Liberation really consists of being aware of who you really are - 'You are That'. The 'Knowledge of That' isn't an object of knowledge, it is the 'Knowing Subject Itself' and you really don't even need a technique to 'Know Thyself, because you are your Self, nothing more. Everything else is just an appearance only. You can take the Direct Path.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Three perspectives on habitual behavior
Turq: I'm gonna go with the path of constant change vs. the path of constant stability and following the same old same old habit patterns. I think the latter leads to stagnation and unhappiness, and the former tends to lead to flexibility and being able to live as a happier camper... If you are going to achieve consistent, meaningful results in your quest for defensive self-culture, you are going to have to cultivate a series of specialized habits, for habits are the only things you can count on retaining in the face of strong resistance. Get the right mental habits, cultivate physical culture, practice meditation 2 x 20 and nothing can stop your progress toward your goal. According to Sensei Randall Bassett, We have a way of not realizing what is ocurring within our own minds in moments of heavy stress; and this helps to explain why we so often tend to yield to irrational responses in the face of such threat - responses that a knowledgeable opponent will use against us (146). Shakya the Muni, a master of the martial arts and the founder of the Dhyana School of Meditation in India, testified countless times to the difficulty involved in gaining habit-level skill, or mindfullness. In many respects there is no greater threat than stress and fatique and the resistance of your own mental inertia and letharge. According to the Shakya, it took him over five years to obtain the neccessary skills to form a successful self-defense. Work cited: 'Zen Karate' By Randall Bassett Warner Books, 1975 Paper. 238 p. Illustrated with 161 line drawings. Read more: A Study in Time, Flexibility, and Initiative: http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/defense.htm
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: om is the vedic mantra in the gita for tm not maharishi's bijas tmers beware
Paul, do you ever go visit any of the tantrics that reside in the Indian
community in London? You'll probably have to sort out the real one
from the fakes but the real ones would be happy to answer your questions
about mantra shastra.
Premanand wrote:
Thanks for your feedback Card. The word praNava gets various mentions by Guru
Dev - he uses it referring to 'OM' quotes from Panchadashi 4.62. Also,
Maharishi himself also uses the word 'pranava', in the 'Beacon Light of the
Himalayas' publication.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandpaul@ wrote:
Interesting connection, thanks Card.
I wonder, do you know of any specific occasions when the word 'praNava' was
used in a Scripture when it was definitely not referring to 'AUM'?
I don't think I've ever encountered that word except in the
yoga-suutra I 27:
tasya vaacakaH praNavaH
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandpaul@ wrote:
What do you think about the 'praNava' Card? What is the etymological base
of this word? People take it to mean 'OM' or 'AUM' but as I understand
it, it means 'humming', the sound of life.
It seems to be derived from the verb 'praNu'
1 praNu [...] to roar , bellow , sound , reverberate RV. AV. ; P.
%{-Nau}. %{ti} , to make a humming or droning sound ; (esp.) to utter the
syllable %{om} Br. ChUp. S3rS.
1 praNavasee %{pra-Nu}.
2 praNava [...] the mystical or sacred syllable %{om} VS. TS. S3Br. Mn.
(ifc. also %{-ka}) c. (%{-tva} n. Ra1matUp.) ; a kind of small drum or
tabor = (and prob. w.r. for) %{paNana} L. [...]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote:
FWIW, the main component of many biija-mantras, ing(a) seems
to be 'agni' backwards.
In my understanding the main purpose
of Agni is to be the messenger of gods, or stuff.
So, perhaps pronouncing 'agni' backwards reverses
the direction of the messages, heh...
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rory's response to the Carlson exorcism claim
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Buck Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 10:51 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rory's response to the Carlson exorcism claim A different lurker asking, off-list: Who's this Rory Goff customer? Answer:Om,Rory has his experience and is legit himself that way. Like a lot of folks in FF now. But, by Blurting out what his spiritual experience actually is he drives the TM-quitters and the non-meditator writers on FFL especially crazy. Is an old history on FFL that way. Rory is very much a part of the Fairfield meditator community. And looks in on FFL He's following this thread with bemusement.
[FairfieldLife] Re: om is the vedic mantra in the gita for tm not maharishi's bijas tmers beware
Bhairitu: Paul, do you ever go visit any of the tantrics that reside in the Indian community in London? You'll probably have to sort out the real one from the fakes but the real ones would be happy to answer your questions about mantra shastra. I don't think so: mantra shastra and tantra are esoteric systems and not revealed to the general public. Most folks wouldn't want anyone to know that they are 'left-handed' basket weavers - it's kind of personal, you know what I mean?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'David Wants to Fly'
Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of TurquoiseB Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 3:21 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'David Wants to Fly' I admire that his obsession focuses on the basic TM technique and teaching it. I wish he didn't have to work through the TM movement to teach it. But he does, and thus he is placed in the position of using his idealized good intentions to try to legitimize an organization that does not deserve to be legitimized. I think he's given a fairly long leash, because he's really having an impact. And Bobby Roth, his right hand man, is one of the most heartsy and creative guys I've ever met. Check out this photo on his blog: http://insidedlf.wordpress.com/ But still lost in the maya of yoga lite. People who were truly interested in enlightenment have moved on.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'David Wants to Fly'
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bhairitu Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 11:28 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'David Wants to Fly' Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of TurquoiseB Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 3:21 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'David Wants to Fly' I admire that his obsession focuses on the basic TM technique and teaching it. I wish he didn't have to work through the TM movement to teach it. But he does, and thus he is placed in the position of using his idealized good intentions to try to legitimize an organization that does not deserve to be legitimized. I think he's given a fairly long leash, because he's really having an impact. And Bobby Roth, his right hand man, is one of the most heartsy and creative guys I've ever met. Check out this photo on his blog: http://insidedlf.wordpress.com/ But still lost in the maya of yoga lite. People who were truly interested in enlightenment have moved on. I have, for the most part, but I wouldn't make that judgment. I think there are plenty of people in the TM movement who are sincerely interested in enlightenment, and are actually attaining it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rory's response to the Carlson exorcism claim
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Buck Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 10:51 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rory's response to the Carlson exorcism claim A different lurker asking, off-list: Who's this Rory Goff customer? Answer:Om,Rory has his experience and is legit himself that way. Like a lot of folks in FF now. But, by Blurting out what his spiritual experience actually is he drives the TM-quitters and the non-meditator writers on FFL especially crazy. Is an old history on FFL that way. Rory is very much a part of the Fairfield meditator community. And looks in on FFL He's following this thread with bemusement. What ever happened to Robin Carlsen?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Missing messages
One of my posts did not make the board a couple of days ago. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandp...@... wrote: Over the last couple of days I have posted a couple of follow-ons to previous postings, neither of which have appeared on the blog. I know comments can take a time to show, but 1-3 days, surely that is too long to wait.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Missing messages
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandpaul@ wrote: Well just of late Rick, it seems to be a bit hit and miss, a message gets through in seconds, another hours, others not at all. Strange. Perhaps it is this CORRECTOR trojan that is being talked about? Could be? The big_red_pen crosses through entire posts server-side? Please use appropriate terminology and capitalization. The Big Red Pen Of The All-Knowing Laws Of Nature. I'm worried about CORRECTOR trojan 2.0. Rumour has it that it intercepts the ERROR post before it even enters your consciousness. You don't even know you've been edited. Avoid the problem before it comes. This is by far the preferred method of heresy-editing. How *tedious* is it to have to go after heretics once they've already spouted their heresy? I mean, you have to spend all that time demonizing them and attempting to discredit anything they say. How much more efficient to just edit the wetware and -- via intimidation, stalking, bluff, and bluster -- attempt to keep the heretical thoughts from ever arising. As for the Jimi paraphrase, well done. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rory's response to the Carlson exorcism claim
On Feb 18, 2010, at 9:49 AM, Rick Archer wrote: He's following this thread with bemusement. Does he really sit there in Revelations and lecture, as the video on his Mystery School page seems to indicate? How funny. Thought most people had moved on from crap like that long ago. Rory and PT Barnum--solemates. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: om is the vedic mantra in the gita for tm not maharishi's bijas tmers beware
WillyTex wrote: Bhairitu: Paul, do you ever go visit any of the tantrics that reside in the Indian community in London? You'll probably have to sort out the real one from the fakes but the real ones would be happy to answer your questions about mantra shastra. I don't think so: mantra shastra and tantra are esoteric systems and not revealed to the general public. Most folks wouldn't want anyone to know that they are 'left-handed' basket weavers - it's kind of personal, you know what I mean? Tantrics openly advertise in Indian newpapers and magazines. They usually ply their trade as astrologers. Many of the Indian astrologers are tantrics. And though the actual teaching is kept secret to preserve it's shakti the theory is openly discussed. But the theory takes on greater depth with experience. The stuff that card and Paul are poking around about can easily be answered by such people. First one has to deprogram themselves of the hype over Brahmananda Saraswati that Maharishi created.
[FairfieldLife] Group Mail Delays
http://www.ygroupsblog.com/blog/2010/02/17/group-mail-delays/ As of last night (Tuesday, February 16th, 2010) many groups may be experiencing mail delays. Our teams are currently working resolving the issue which will return mail delivery to normal speed. Once the mail delivery returns to normal, there will be a delay as the mailers catch up on the backlogged mail that has built up so you may begin to see mail trickling in that was sent several hours ago. We will keep you updated on our progress as soon as we know more. Thank you for your patience while we sort out this issue.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM/Vedic City Wikipedia posters face Arbitration Committee
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: snip On Wikipedia, a set of Wikipedia editors have been found to be editing from Fairfield, MUM and Vedic City, IP addresses and are now facing the Arbitration Committee, sometimes called the Supreme Court of Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/ Case#Transcendental_Meditation_movement You are a bit behind the times Vaj. It is very common on Wikipedia to have selected experts on a topic. I am afraid you, however, will not qualify for anything. But perhaps the TM page should only consist of some very basic information, plus references to all the hundreds of published studies in respected peer-reviewed scientific journals around the world. That way there can be no argument about the authority of the sources of the information posted. You of course, are unqualified to say anything regarding TM, human consciousness, or Eastern philosophy of any kind, since you have not learned TM and have barely a high school education (not even recognised in most countries) Yes, the TM page should only list all the several hundred studies published in respected peer-reviewed scientific journals around the world. You sound clueless! [edit] Research quality A 2003 review that looked at the effects of TM on cognitive function said that many of the 700 studies on TM have been produced by researchers directly associated with the TM movement Irrelevant. and/or had not been peer reviewed.[83] This is a start Vaj. You have another 15 years and at least 20 more of this kind of study needed to prove your point. This is the only study that seems to have any credibility, and it clearly does not cancel out hundreds of studies published in peer-reviewed journals. Also, by their own admission, the reviewers are prejudiced against qualified people - who have PHD's from respected universities - and are highly published scientists giving their peer-review approval. It is ironic. If some qualified reviewers reviewed his research in the same way, he would then be found to be WORSE in his methods. I hope someone does it and publishes it showing his poor methodology. He is not qualified to say that qualified people are not qualified, so his premise from the start begins with a prejudice. In addition, an overview his OWN studies can be found to have even worse methods. How ironic. Since this 2003 study was published, here are some more on TM that have been published in peer-reviewed journals. Reduced Blood Pressure (Current Hypertension Reports, December 2007) This meta-analysis of 17 published studies from the medical literature (selected from over 100 published studies for their careful experimental design utilizing randomized controlled trials) reported on the effects of stress reduction techniques on elevated blood pressure in about 1000 subjects total. The treatments employed included simple biofeedback, relaxation-assisted biofeedback, progressive muscle relaxation, stress management training, and the Transcendental Meditation program. The results of statistical analyses showed that none of the first 4 treatment approaches demonstrated statistically significant reductions in elevated blood pressure, while the Transcendental Meditation program showed both significant clinical and statistical reductions in blood pressure. Full Article http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/picrender.fcgi?artid=2268875blobtype=\ pdf Improved Quality of Life for Congestive Heart Failure Patients (Ethnicity and Disease, March 2007) This study examined the effects of conventional health education and the practice of the Transcendental Meditation technique on measures of heart failure severity and quality of life in a randomized controlled trial of twenty-three older African American men and women with congestive heart failure (CHF). The results indicate that the use of the TM technique may be effective in improving the quality of life and functional capacity of heart failure patients. Full Article http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/picrender.fcgi?artid=2267926blobtype=\ pdf Reduced Metabolic Syndrome (American Medical Association's Archives of Internal Medicine, June 2006) This 16-week, randomized, placebo-controlled clinical trial of 103 coronary heart patients found that the Transcendental Meditation technique improved blood pressure and insulin resistance components of the metabolic syndrome as well as cardiac autonomic nervous system tone compared with a control group receiving health education. These results suggest that the TM technique may modulate the physiological response to stress and improve coronary heart disease risk factors. Full Article http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/reprint/166/11/1218.pdf Enhanced Longevity (American Journal of Cardiology, May 2005) This study was a
[FairfieldLife] Clinton's Stress Due to Haiti Rescue Efforts
He may be doing too much for his own good. He could be a good candidate for TM initiation. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100217/us_nm/us_clinton
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Yagya - all major credit cards accepted
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Hugo fintlewoodle...@mail.com wrote: Apparently. 'The broad principle for Maharishi Yagya performances is: vitta sakhyam na kaaryet—do not perform yagyas below one's financial capacity.' And 'Maharishi Yagya performances related to higher contributions produce more effective results'. Are they shameless or what? From: http://www.maharishiyagya.org/apply/yagya.html Individual pundits in temples like those scattered around FF and Ben Collins' pundit believe one to several pundits have all the power you need. Groups offering many priests for yagyas say that the more priests, the more power, and the power of the yagya goes up exponentially with the number of pundits. Most groups offering many priests also caution that one should spend within one's comfort zone, because their yagyas aren't magic but a step along your evolution and the quest for you goal. Yajna.com is the only other group I've seen which suggests that you spend your last penny for the majic of their yajnas. They offer testimonials of people who spent the money they were going to use to pay their rent or mortgage on the yajnas and after the yajnas they were instantly repaid by some windfall sale of a house, promotion, etc. Interestingly yajna.com says that if you don't get any results after a certain number of months, send them an email, as they'd be interested to hear of this. So, testimonials say blow your last penny. The website states that there are no guarantees and I suspect that if you email them that nothing happened, they'll re-cast your chart and recommend yajnas to some planets they plum overlooked during the first reading. Last I checked with Ben Collins, sometimes his yagyas had almost magical results. Other times he had to work with someone for a year to get a legal matter resolved. Now whether or not the legal matter would have resolved afterall is determinable. -- If you but soak up the sunlight you are given, drink each drop of water I send, and strive only to be yourself, life shall quicken in your roots, spirit shall raise you into the light, and your bloom will inspire the world.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A million dollars a job
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, It's just a ride bill.hicks.all.a.r...@... wrote: On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:50 PM, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: Americans living out of country, including myself, can and do vote, birdbrain. I assume you keep a US residence, I do. But voter registration can be done here: https://www.overseasvotefoundation.org/ since voter registration is by state, which breaks down into precinct. I know of many permanent residents who've refused to become US citizens because that would forever subject them to paying US income taxes no matter where they live on the globe. US citizens abroad still have to pay income tax. I pay income tax on my retirement - and also pay property tax on my US home. -- If you but soak up the sunlight you are given, drink each drop of water I send, and strive only to be yourself, life shall quicken in your roots, spirit shall raise you into the light, and your bloom will inspire the world.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rory's response to the Carlson exorcism claim
On Feb 17, 2010, at 5:42 AM, do.rflex wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Feb 16, 2010, at 5:42 PM, Alex Stanley wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Like Alex, I wouldn't mind seeing that particular interaction on tape, though unlike Alex I wouldn't consider it worth paying for :-) Well, only if it has cool stuff like screaming, writhing, projectile vomiting, and Rory's head rotating around like the girl in 'The Exorcist'. Anything less that that, and I may as well just see him at Revs for free. You can see him sooner than that even-- He started his own Facebook group, the Rorian Mystery School. :) http://bit.ly/aNzsLg Sal He's got a website that includes videos of some of his talks here: http://rorygoff.com/open/ Like Chickenman, Rory is everywhere. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: 80% Americans Oppose SCOTUS Campaign Finance Decision
do: 80% Americans Oppose SCOTUS Campaign Finance Decision Congressional Job Approval: CBS News/NY Times 15 http://tinyurl.com/3oqapw Evan Bayh: Congress Hasn't Created A Job In 6 Months http://tinyurl.com/yh9glpc
[FairfieldLife] Re: Missing messages
There are posts dribbling in today that were sent two days ago. It took 5 hours for my Group Mail Delays post to show up. I'm sending this via email instead of the website to see if that works quicker. In any event, if there are missing posts, even from several days ago, they may still show up.
[FairfieldLife] Chopra's TM has 108 mantras, TM only 11 or 12
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[FairfieldLife] Re: A million dollars a job
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, It's just a ride bill.hicks.all.a.r...@... wrote: On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:50 PM, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: Americans living out of country, including myself, can and do vote, birdbrain. I assume you keep a US residence, I do. But voter registration can be done here: https://www.overseasvotefoundation.org/ since voter registration is by state, which breaks down into precinct. I know of many permanent residents who've refused to become US citizens because that would forever subject them to paying US income taxes no matter where they live on the globe. US citizens abroad still have to pay income tax. I pay income tax on my retirement - and also pay property tax on my US home. -- If you but soak up the sunlight you are given, drink each drop of water I send, and strive only to be yourself, life shall quicken in your roots, spirit shall raise you into the light, and your bloom will inspire the world.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Patanjali, Vyasa and Shankara on Omkar, Ishvara and Samadhi
In Gita 7:8 Krishna proclaims praNavaH sarvavedeshhu - 'I am the the Pranava (AUM) in all the Vedas.' --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: bill: Shankara says: The yogi who does both these achieves one-pointedness of the mind. By repetition of Om he has his mind turned toward Ishvara and he meditates on the meaning of Om, i.e. Ishvara... Not sure where this saying comes from - maybe it's from Shankara's Vivarna on the commentary by Vyasa, on Patanjali's Yoga Sutra. If so, most folks on this forum don't seem to be aware of Shankara making any comments on Patanjali. There's no 'OM' mentioned in the Saundaryalahari, and no 'OM' in the Sri Vidya fifteen bija mantras, composed by the Adi Shankaracharya, (circa 800 AD). There's no OM' in mentioned in the Hindu scriptures: Rig Veda, Brahma Sutra, Yoga Sutra, or in the Bhagavad Gita. The monosyllable 'OM' isn't even mentioned by the historical Buddha. Lord Chaitanya didn't advocate the chanting of 'OM'. And the chanting or meditating on 'OM' isn't advocated by the Ramana Marshy. So, if chanting 'OM' isn't based on the scriptures, then it is just an invention, added on much later, a symbol devised for the uninitiated. 'OM' isn't a genuine tantric bija mantra, that's the point.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'David Wants to Fly'
Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bhairitu Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 11:28 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'David Wants to Fly' Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of TurquoiseB Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 3:21 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'David Wants to Fly' I admire that his obsession focuses on the basic TM technique and teaching it. I wish he didn't have to work through the TM movement to teach it. But he does, and thus he is placed in the position of using his idealized good intentions to try to legitimize an organization that does not deserve to be legitimized. I think he's given a fairly long leash, because he's really having an impact. And Bobby Roth, his right hand man, is one of the most heartsy and creative guys I've ever met. Check out this photo on his blog: http://insidedlf.wordpress.com/ But still lost in the maya of yoga lite. People who were truly interested in enlightenment have moved on. I have, for the most part, but I wouldn't make that judgment. I think there are plenty of people in the TM movement who are sincerely interested in enlightenment, and are actually attaining it. The problem is what are they going to do with it? TM is yoga lite and very limited in its teaching. Yes some people would have only needed the stirring of about any mantra to finish off their evolution. My first experience with meditation out of book caused my kundalini to rise to the crown chakra. Obviously I had been messing with this stuff in prior lifetimes. And I know people who claim to attain enlightenment from TM but still moved on and not to mention people very connected with the TMO who still investigated other paths (just didn't tell anyone else in the TMO). Some of them visited and got instruction from my teacher Swami Abhayanand. I think a few changes could have kept the movement very worthy. It was great fun when I started TM in 1973 and still fun when I came back from TTC and taught a few people. But then after the Sidhis program became widespread some teachers got a stick up their butt and started acting like Nazis. That really helped kill the movement. And for the record I never got in trouble with those people but know people who did. I also think the meditation technique that Muktananda taught was probably better for people than TM. His movement just went south though. But many other paths teach the same thing.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Product Recall - 'fix' for problems with meditation
PaliGap, the truth is that mantra-like sounds, even the sounds given out in intiation into TM, can and do turn up in mantra-free meditation, so I suggest that they are given no greater attention than any other thought in settling down and letting go of thoughts. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandpaul@ wrote: It is reported that there is to be a recall of faulty techniques by the meditation conglomerate MahaMcRishi International. It seems that people have experienced problems or failures in their meditation programs due to technique problems which have now been sorted. Anyone wishing to upgrade can do so free-of-charge by using the technique 'fix'. Former TM advocate and author Paul Mason is quoted as saying; 'I find that by not using a mantra but otherwise using the TM instructions of quietening the mind, and letting go of thoughts, but treating the mantra as just another thought, the profundity of the meditation is increased many-fold. In fact there is no proper comparison between TM and mantra-freeTM. The one is like a bicycle with stabilisers and the other like a state-of-the-art submarine.' Is this a koan Paul? by not using a mantra...but treating the mantra as just another thought ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'David Wants to Fly'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: On Behalf Of TurquoiseB I admire that his obsession focuses on the basic TM technique and teaching it. I wish he didn't have to work through the TM movement to teach it. But he does, and thus he is placed in the position of using his idealized good intentions to try to legitimize an organization that does not deserve to be legitimized. I think he's given a fairly long leash, because he's really having an impact. Also because...ahem...there is nothing the TM movement can fuckin' do to him if he chooses to go his own way. The only power that the organization has lies in 1) its lawyers, which a rich person need not fear because they can afford to hire their own lawyers, and 2) the residual fear among some followers that going against the movement is going to fuck up their karma big-time and land them in the hellwords for eternity. I can see Lynch buying into the latter but not the former. Besides, he probably brings in the *only* revenue the TM movement is seeing these days. And Bobby Roth, his right hand man, is one of the most heartsy and creative guys I've ever met. Check out this photo on his blog: http://insidedlf.wordpress.com/ I haven't seen the dude since the mid-70s, and thus cannot speak to who he might be these days. The photo with the kid is neat, although to be perfectly honest (and knowing that photos do not always capture the reality of the moment) his smile looks a bit forced to me. And I say that speaking as a CORRECTOR-certified minion of evil, and pretty much the quintessence of lack of heart and creativity. My only mission in life is to mess with more-highly-evolved souls and do my best to fuck up their lives by spreading lies and disinformation. Here is a recent photo of me about to (as Edg would confirm) use my wise old man act to lure an innocent young woman away from the path of righteousness and Vedic Va- Va-Voom: [Uncle_Barry_with_Maya_age_1 by you.]
Re: [FairfieldLife] Missing messages
Vaj wrote: On Feb 18, 2010, at 7:19 AM, Premanand wrote: Over the last couple of days I have posted a couple of follow-ons to previous postings, neither of which have appeared on the blog. I know comments can take a time to show, but 1-3 days, surely that is too long to wait. Mine typically appears in seconds or a minute or two at most. Recently they're taking hours or not showing up. Sometimes opening a new account, with a new email address helps. Cass Sunstein would love to shut down YahooGroups. Bureaucrats hate free speech. The Internet sprung up to fast and beyond their comprehension before they could get their greasy shanks into it. Now the UN has control of ICANN. Watch out! We may need to create an underground net.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 2012 begins krishna sat yuga according to maharishi vedic pundits
ya, a fictional character, - according to you maharishi thought krishna was a fictional character. you are brain damaged psychopath, ie. tmo member... try clear thinking for once -idiotthe fun in announcing the dawn and taking the credit for your movement, that was maharishis whole shtick. pretend like you came up with the whole deal so your slaves will worship you and provide for your every whim --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , nadarrombus royboyunity@ wrote: i asked maharishi vedic pundits in 2000 at rukmapura hotel in a large meeting with students and teachers from mum - the maharishi jyotish pundits about 2012. they said it was the beginning of krishna sat yuga. krishna promised a 10,000 year golden age starting 2012- 5,000 years from his death. they said it is common knowledge among themselves. the mum teachers looked shocked, apparently maharishi was riding krisnas coat tails all along, You say that as if you think Krishna, a fictional character, is a more of a real person than Maharishi. Krishna is a story from a storybook. Maharishi was a man in recent memory. Besides, as Maharishi said, where is the fun in announcing the approaching dawn after the sun has come up? OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] NASA Intelligent Life Probe - Close to Home
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'David Wants to Fly'
The other Barry says fourteen years, Curtis says twelve, Edg says twenty-five and John Manning claims he scammed over 5,000 people out of their money. What's up with that? Joe: I didn't find your name on the list of TM Teachers in good standing in Fairfield. Because I'm not a TM Teacher? When were you last in Fairfield? I was there on two occasions, once in 1972 and again in 2003. I didn't see an 'Joe' on the approved list of TM Teachers. What's up with all the secrecy? Did you get kicked out of the TMO? Just be honest. What's up with that? You are nosey! Didn't have time to spend six months in a motel somewhere in the back-of-beyond, meditating. Instead, I became a householder TMer, raised a family and worked all my life to save up for early retirement. I probably know more about 'TM' than the Maharishi himself. Go figure. However, I was a Zen Master before I even started TM! The Confessions of a Taco Eater: http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/confessions.htm I took the 'Spiritual Guides' course (Checker) but didn't actually become one. Over the years I've managed to visit India, attend numerous CCPs, RCs, and Zen retreats, and I've had time to take courses in Sanskrit and Comparative Religions at a major university. I have spoken to three direct disciples of Guru Dev.
[FairfieldLife] Re: om is the vedic mantra in the gita for tm not maharishi's bijas tmers beware
Bhairitu: Tantrics openly advertise in Indian newpapers and magazines. They usually ply their trade as astrologers. We are not talking about 'neo-tantra' of the sort advertised in newspapers and magazines like the Daily Mail. Many of the Indian astrologers are tantrics. You're probably not going to be able to learn anything about 'Vamacharya' Tantrism from them, whether they are astrologers or not. It's just not something you're going to learn about in downtown London. And though the actual teaching is kept secret to preserve it's shakti the theory is openly discussed. Get a book and you can read all about the Shiva and Shakti theory, but that won't get you an initation into the secrets of Sri Vidya tantrism - it's more of a family secret. But the theory takes on greater depth with experience. Kashmir Tantrism is based on experience, but the last acharya lives in Los Angeles. The stuff that card and Paul are poking around about can easily be answered by such people. They'd probably be the last ones to learn any tantric secrets! First one has to deprogram themselves of the hype over Brahmananda Saraswati that Maharishi created. Most everyone agrees that Swami Brahmananda Saraswati was one of the most adept tantric yogis in modern India. He belonged to one of the most famous and prestigous tantric sects in all Bharat! You already have the Knowledge of the Supreme Awakening: All you have to do now is the simple transcending. Read more: Subject: Self Realization in Kashmere Shaivism Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Author: Willytex Date: November 3, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/yazxzly
[FairfieldLife] Re: 2012 begins krishna sat yuga according to maharishi vedic pundits
nadarrombus i asked maharishi vedic pundits in 2000 at rukmapura hotel... The Maharishi Vedic Pundits were at the Rukmapura hotel and you spoke to them?
[FairfieldLife] Impeach Obama
Re: [FairfieldLife] Britain’s human rights policie s violate natural law, Pope says
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Premanand premanandp...@yahoo.co.ukwrote: I wonder this did not get an airing at FFL, or maybe it did I missed it? Anyway read for yourself how Maharishi the Pope sees things:- http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article7011095.ece -- Interesting that the Pope can influence upcoming elections in Britian. Perhaps the Brits need another Henry VIII? IIRC, the last time the Catholic Church had any power in the US was when the archbishop of NYC led a campaign against Mae West's antics in film. The Pope wouldn't dare try this sort of thing in America. Nor need he try it. We have enough evangelicals around to agitate here in the US. If you but soak up the sunlight you are given, drink each drop of water I send, and strive only to be yourself, life shall quicken in your roots, spirit shall raise you into the light, and your bloom will inspire the world.
[FairfieldLife] Disturbing ads from the past
Re: [FairfieldLife] A scientific test of jyotish?
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Hugo fintlewoodle...@mail.com wrote: Whilst having a browse at the TM yagya page I noticed a way to test if the Global Council of Pandits is worth the not inconsiderable amount they charge for their services. Check this out: http://www.maharishiyagya.org/apply/pdf/Ascertaining%20Correct%20Birth%20Time%20application%20form.pdf Clever eh? I know the exact time of my birth (my mother says she is unlikely to forget it) so all I have to do is claim not to know, fill out the form and, hey presto, they are correct or they are not. Trouble is they want $600 for their trouble which seems a lot. But they do seem to require an awful lot of info to work this out including an approximate birth time. Huh? Actually, they concealed what they really care about, #12, Inheritance Date, in a bunch of other really bizarre questions. Some of the questions, like the ones on style of decision making, look like they're there to profile a person for Maharishi Joytish, Maharishi Yagya, THP, THMD or the Development Fund of MUM to best hit them up for more money. No chance guys, no clues. I think we should have a whip-round in the name of science. Anyone care to make a donation? I've never been able to work out why birth time is so important in these affairs, the planets must have been acting on me before I was born. Maybe if I give a time before I was actually born all they will be able to tell me is that I spent the day curled up and not thinking about much. But I tend to do that a lot anyway..-- If you but soak up the sunlight you are given, drink each drop of water I send, and strive only to be yourself, life shall quicken in your roots, spirit shall raise you into the light, and your bloom will inspire the world.
[FairfieldLife] Why unlimited lobbying by corporate persons is a dumb idea...
If that corporate person happens to be Google, they can kill you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGwYrZLvvJU It's funny.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 2012 begins krishna sat yuga according to maharishi vedic pundits
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: nadarrombus i asked maharishi vedic pundits in 2000 at rukmapura hotel... The Maharishi Vedic Pundits were at the Rukmapura hotel and you spoke to them? He is a Serb, don't believe a word of what he says. Serbs are like that unfortunately, notorious liers. That's why they are the #1 drugdealers in Europe at this time. They are able to lie to you in the most convincing way.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rory's response to the Carlson exorcism claim
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com wrote: *From:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto: fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Buck *Sent:* Wednesday, February 17, 2010 10:51 PM *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Rory's response to the Carlson exorcism claim A different lurker asking, off-list: Who's this Rory Goff customer? Answer:Om,Rory has his experience and is legit himself that way. Like a lot of folks in FF now. But, by Blurting out what his spiritual experience actually is he drives the TM-quitters and the non-meditator writers on FFL especially crazy. Is an old history on FFL that way. Rory is very much a part of the Fairfield meditator community. And looks in on FFL He's following this thread with bemusement. -- I was relieved when you posted a notice about the death of Rory a few weeks ago. No I'm saddened to see he's still alive and throwing his sh*t back on FFL. I was hoping those days were over. If you but soak up the sunlight you are given, drink each drop of water I send, and strive only to be yourself, life shall quicken in your roots, spirit shall raise you into the light, and your bloom will inspire the world.
[FairfieldLife] Blaine's brane damage?
http://video.ted.com/talks/podcast/DavidBlaine_2009P_480.mp4 Blaine seems to me like somewhat hyperactive and emotionally oversensitive. Have those stunts perhaps done some damage to his brains??
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dust my Blues!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote: I don't hear a bassist. I think he has a rhythm guitarist in the band. His thumb is the bass player playing that shuffle in between his signature lick. I love his stuff too. He had such a big hit with Dust My Broom (remaking Robert Johnson's song as I'm sure you know) that he recorded Dust My Blues later with the same guitar parts. He also made another song with this guitar style that I play called Hand Me Down My Walk'n Cane. Someone just posted a video of me playing that song last Summer in my outdoor show so you can see the guitar part. I'm playing in open Ab tuning but it is similar enough to Elmore's Open E that you can see how it's played. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUk7NexVhGk This is one of my favorite blues songs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibdw32oWIvo But does the bassist play mainly only the root of the chord??
[FairfieldLife] Qu'est-ce que c'est le probleme avec La Vie de Beaux Champs. Ils sont reste un m
Qu'est-ce que c'est le probleme avec La Vie de Beaux Champs. Ils sont reste un meeelllion ane avant ils sont arrive avec un post sur la page. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Missing messages
That is re-assuring. But would you believe it, no sooner than I mention the missing messages than one immediately turns up, what a day late, but there were a couple of other postings that went AWOL and one this morning. Perhaps it is that trojan CORRECTOR PaliGap warns about, that is causing the mischief. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandpaul@ wrote: Over the last couple of days I have posted a couple of follow-ons to previous postings, neither of which have appeared on the blog. I know comments can take a time to show, but 1-3 days, surely that is too long to wait. I've experienced the same thing the last couple of days.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'David Wants to Fly'
Premanand: Support for the caste system was a part of Guru Dev's teachings, so by condemning Swaroopand you are condemning Guru Dev too... I've seen no indication that Guru Dev supported the the idea of giving spirtual instruction based on a person's birth circumstances. But, apparently, the Swami Swaroopanad is in favor of such distinctions. If so, then he may have many had much in common with the Shankarcharya of Puri, a known caste-monger. A god man, claiming to be the Shankaracharya of the Jyotirmath Peeth in Badrinath, has accused another Shankaracharya's followers of stealing from the monastery premises... 'Shankaracharya followers accused of stealing' http://www.rediff.com/news/2005/mar/29god.htm Countering the claims of two other Shankaracharyas Swami Vasudevananda and Swami Swaroopanand who have also affirmed themselves as heads of the `math,' Swami Madhavashram cited a letter of support from the the Kashi Vidwat Parishad, a prestigious body of Hindu intellectuals in Varansi. 'Controversy hots up over Badrinath Shankaracharya' http://www.hindu.com/2005/04/06/stories/2005040606270300.htm
[FairfieldLife] Re: Missing messages
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@... wrote: There are posts dribbling in today that were sent two days ago. It took 5 hours for my Group Mail Delays post to show up. I'm sending this via email instead of the website to see if that works quicker. In any event, if there are missing posts, even from several days ago, they may still show up. I vote for giving Judy 10 extra posts per week.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Britains human rights policies violate natural law, Pope says
The christians and muslims should take their stupid tribal religions out of Britain. We are the Kelts. We support human rights. Get used to it. OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Premanand premanandp...@... wrote: I wonder this did not get an airing at FFL, or maybe it did I missed it? Anyway read for yourself how Maharishi the Pope sees things:- http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article7011095.ece http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article7011095.ece http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article7011095.ece http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article7011095.ece
[FairfieldLife] Re: Product Recall - 'fix' for problems with meditation
the fix for the problems you were experiencing has always been there, it is called checking, you are not a Rishi, not a teacher, you are certainly not a Maharishi, you don' know better than one. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandp...@... wrote: It is reported that there is to be a recall of faulty techniques by the meditation conglomerate MahaMcRishi International. It seems that people have experienced problems or failures in their meditation programs due to technique problems which have now been sorted. Anyone wishing to upgrade can do so free-of-charge by using the technique 'fix'. Former TM advocate and author Paul Mason is quoted as saying; 'I find that by not using a mantra but otherwise using the TM instructions of quietening the mind, and letting go of thoughts, but treating the mantra as just another thought, the profundity of the meditation is increased many-fold. In fact there is no proper comparison between TM and mantra-freeTM. The one is like a bicycle with stabilisers and the other like a state-of-the-art submarine.'
[FairfieldLife] A real Avatar singing
According to Benjamin Creme, Sri Ananda Mayi Ma was the last female Avatar to grace this Planet in incarnation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5033Xzver8feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5033Xzver8feature=related
[FairfieldLife] Re: Missing messages
A lot of posts going missing, and some posting 2 days later ! (Probly a TM-Ex hacker-guy :-) OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Premanand Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 6:20 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Missing messages Over the last couple of days I have posted a couple of follow-ons to previous postings, neither of which have appeared on the blog. I know comments can take a time to show, but 1-3 days, surely that is too long to wait. We moderators sometimes get a message if Yahoo flags certain posts as possible spam, but I haven't seen any lately, and would approve yours immediately if they came in.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Qu'est-ce que c'est le probleme avec La Vie de Beaux Champs. Ils sont reste un m
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_re...@... wrote: Qu'est-ce que c'est le probleme avec La Vie de Beaux Champs. Ils sont reste un meeelllion ane avant ils sont arrive avec un post sur la page. OffWorld I mean annee Pardone moi mon Fransey. OffWorld
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'David Wants to Fly'
WillyTex wrote: The other Barry says fourteen years, Curtis says twelve, Edg says twenty-five and John Manning claims he scammed over 5,000 people out of their money. What's up with that? Joe: I didn't find your name on the list of TM Teachers in good standing in Fairfield. Because I'm not a TM Teacher? When were you last in Fairfield? I was there on two occasions, once in 1972 and again in 2003. I didn't see an 'Joe' on the approved list of TM Teachers. What's up with all the secrecy? Did you get kicked out of the TMO? Just be honest. What were you doing in Fairfield in 1972? It was still Parson's College then. I may be wrong but I don't think the movement bought it until later because I was following that after I learned TM in 1973 and remember it being announced on my SCI course. On of the member of the class said her mother attended Parson's College.
[FairfieldLife] Question
I know it's been posted before but what's the link to see FFL's email page instead of the web page? Thanks
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'David Wants to Fly'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: The swami tells Sieveking that the Maharashi, from a trader caste, was merely Dev's bookkeeper and has no right to give mantras or teach meditation. So, the Swaroopanand seems to believe in the Hindu caste system. That, in itself, is enough to disqualify him from teaching a spiritual path. From what I've read, the Swami Swaroopanand got a summons for stealing items from the Jyotirmath Ashram and was forced to return the stolen items. This was mentioned in the Times of India. Go figure. Apparently, Guru Dev never accepted money, so what need would he have for a 'bookkeeper'? Sounds to me like the Swaroopanand should maybe resign his seat, or keep his big pie-hole shut! Bhairitu: I'm surprised that David Lynch has stayed with TM this long. If he thinks Hollywood has too many rules then maybe he ought to look at the TM movement. One would think he would wake up to the scam. I'm sure many film cohorts have mentioned other meditation courses far less expensive and not scams. So, I wonder how many years you spent 'scamming' the public? The other Barry says fourteen years, Curtis says twelve, Edg says twenty-five and John Manning claims he scammed over 5,000 people out of their money. What's up with that? Tex, do you really imagine yourself to be clever? I suppose you do since you post about every five minutes here, always with the same old routine. BTW, I didn't find your name on the list of TM Teachers in good standing in Fairfield. What's up with that? Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A million dollars a job
I know of many permanent residents who've refused to become US citizens because that would forever subject them to paying US income taxes no matter where they live on the globe. off: How does Turq do it? Turq apparently is contracting out to a U.S. company, so he probably does his own tax withholding, and then files at the end of the year, using an IRS 1040ez form. Turq is smart enough to note line 8 on the form this year, and to be able to calculate the 'Make work pay credit', which in Turq's case, would be 6.2% (.062) of his earned income (.062). If Turq does this he can then subtract the standard deduction also, and wind up paying only a few dollars income tax. It's also possible that IBM has withheld a percentage of earned income from each of his paychecks. If this is the case, he might get $3000 returned by the IRS. I consider this a refund of an over-payment! FYI: The last time I checked, Social Security is not taxed because it is not considered earned income. But the point is, apply for U.S. citizenship, and then go out and vote for someone like Ron Paul, in order to try and bring down the individual payroll tax to near zero. He doesn't pay taxes in the US otherwise they would find out where he is. Turq doesn't seem to be very worried about anyone finding out where he is!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: om is the vedic mantra in the gita for tm not maharishi's bijas tmers beware
WillyTex wrote: Bhairitu: Tantrics openly advertise in Indian newpapers and magazines. They usually ply their trade as astrologers. We are not talking about 'neo-tantra' of the sort advertised in newspapers and magazines like the Daily Mail. No I'm not talking about neo-tantra which you'll find in Marin County and advertising in the Open Exchange published in the Bay Area. I am talking about real tantra. Get your facts straight. Here we have several Indian newspapers and magazines. The astrologers and readers advertise on a page or two. I also know a woman Sufi-tantric who does readings and has very powerful shaktipat. She is authentic. Many of the Indian astrologers are tantrics. You're probably not going to be able to learn anything about 'Vamacharya' Tantrism from them, whether they are astrologers or not. It's just not something you're going to learn about in downtown London. Bullshit Willy. Why do you persist in this crap! You don't know shit! I study with a tantric as you well know. I have also met tantrics in India. I know the fucking difference and you don't. I also have a swami title that my guru bestowed on me after I passed a number of tests. I haven't done much with it because like many Americans I'm busy just staying afloat in this shitty economy. And though the actual teaching is kept secret to preserve it's shakti the theory is openly discussed. Get a book and you can read all about the Shiva and Shakti theory, but that won't get you an initation into the secrets of Sri Vidya tantrism - it's more of a family secret. Who cares? Village tantra simple and easy to learn. Very well fitted for the busy westerner. No academic masturbation to navigate either. It is extremely powerful. I don't think many people could handle anything more powerful. But the theory takes on greater depth with experience. Kashmir Tantrism is based on experience, but the last acharya lives in Los Angeles. All tantra is based on experience, Willy. Books read before one is initiated read differently after. What authentic books on tantra published has things implied between the lines.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'David Wants to Fly'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: Premanand: Support for the caste system was a part of Guru Dev's teachings, so by condemning Swaroopand you are condemning Guru Dev too... I've seen no indication that Guru Dev supported the the idea of giving spirtual instruction based on a person's birth circumstances. Guru Dev asked the aspiering chela for one thing only; you are a vegetarian ? But, apparently, the Swami Swaroopanad is in favor of such distinctions. Swaroop must have been flabbagasted by this video in which Shantanand is shown the greatest respect by Sivananda; from ca 4:00. If he saw it at all, and if he understood the significance. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2L89lxG6tHQfeature=player_embedded# http://tinyurl.com/ybuwozh Fools like paulmasom and the Turq will swallow everything Swaroop says hook and sinkers as long it is serves their purpose.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rory's response to the Carlson exorcism claim
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: You can see him sooner than that even-- He started his own Facebook group, the Rorian Mystery School. :) http://bit.ly/aNzsLg He's got a website that includes videos of some of his talks here: http://rorygoff.com/open/ This is like the AntiDoug of Fairfield, Iowa. If Doug's (now Buck's) intent is to be a kind of travel agent/cheerleader and get people to visit or move to Fairfield because it's so cool and spiritual and full of awakened or awakening people, both of these sites seem designed to keep them away. I really can't decide which I find more laugh- able -- the mega-pretentious titles of his teachings, or the Truly Bad Art. On the other hand, both prevented me from being even tempted to click on any of the videos, so perhaps they are a good thing. My best wishes to those who feel they have much to learn from Rory. They do, IMO, have much to learn.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Product Recall - 'fix' for problems with meditation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 shukr...@... wrote: the fix for the problems you were experiencing has always been there, it is called checking, you are not a Rishi, not a teacher, you are certainly not a Maharishi, you don' know better than one. Bingo !
[FairfieldLife] Re: A million dollars a job
My plan is to slash 20% of U.S. Postal workers salary and pension, in order to reduce the federal defecit... off: How then, in your scenario, will you get the mail delivered? Please give me one single good reason that U.S. Postal workers, or any federal worker, should be paid nearly *twice* what the average worker earns. This is outrageous! No wonder the U.S. Government is running a deficit. In my opinion, the U.S. Government should get out of the business of mail delivery - leave that work to the private sector. Cut the deficit! You're paying what, 50% of your earned income to the U.K. Government? Go figure. Market rate compensation can only be determined by the market. Market prices, including the price of labor, cannot be reliably determined through administrative processes. Nobel Laureate Frederik Hayek cautioned that the competitive price cannot be known until there is competition. This is vividly illustrated by the inability of Soviet planners to reliably establish market prices despite 70 years of trying. The resulting gross economic misallocation was a major factor contributing to the collapse of that economy... Read more: Congresssional Testimony by Wendell Cox: http://www.publicpurpose.com/pp-fdpay.htm
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rory's response to the Carlson exorcism claim
On Feb 17, 2010, at 12:11 AM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: You can see him sooner than that even-- He started his own Facebook group, the Rorian Mystery School. :) http://bit.ly/aNzsLg Thanks for posting this. I just can't figure this out. It's as though Rory could go on hour after hour with this stuff. What I wonder is, would he give the same talk tomorrow as he gave today, if he were extrapolating on the same subject. Who would know the difference? Did you catch the video of him doing exactly that, complete with adoring followers in the background? (The camera never actually showed said followers, so the exact number there at the time remains--ahem-- a mystery. ) Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic Floating experience
Oh, I get it, as a conservative, I'm not supposed to giggle or comment on someones Freudian slip... because I'm conservative and *supposed* to be totally ignorant of gay culture. Alex, just what would have been the appropriate response for a conservative seeing that post? At least you noticed the *slip* but seem to be annoyed that somebody straight and of a different political ideology beat you to the punch. With your announcement of your sexual orientation, it almost sounds like, it's OK for you to make such a comment but not for anyone else, you know, like it's OK for an African/American to use the *N* word but not OK for anyone else. From: Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, February 16, 2010 2:31:59 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic Floating experience Au contraire! I saw it and would have posted a similar response had you not beat me to it. But, as I happen to be one of them thar homerseksuals, it would have lacked the added humor of a conservative jumping at the opportunity to focus his attention on gay sex. --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@ ... wrote: and naturally, neither of you would find Curtis's Freudian slip humorous, not having any *fist hand* knowledge on a gay subject, *butt* then maybe you think fisting is normal, natural, dignified and not to be joked about.Sal, get a life. _ _ __ From: Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ ... To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Tue, February 16, 2010 11:14:09 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic Floating experience  On Feb 16, 2010, at 12:12 PM, Alex Stanley wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Mike Sloppy Bottom Dixon mdixon.6569@ ... wrote: and although I don't have any *fist* hand knowledge... Curtis, is this a Fruedian slip? LOL! And, naturally, it was one of the resident conservatives that immediately picked up on a gay fisting theme. That response says a whole lot more than Curtis's typo ever could. You caught that too, huh? Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: 2012 begins krishna sat yuga according to maharishi vedic pundits
tex, i am born and bred american, if you need a lesson we can sign papers and step into a cage in a gym here in town. the ref will save you from deadly injury, maybe... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@ wrote: nadarrombus i asked maharishi vedic pundits in 2000 at rukmapura hotel... The Maharishi Vedic Pundits were at the Rukmapura hotel and you spoke to them? He is a Serb, don't believe a word of what he says. Serbs are like that unfortunately, notorious liers. That's why they are the #1 drugdealers in Europe at this time. They are able to lie to you in the most convincing way.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Product Recall - 'fix' for problems with meditation
Shukra69, I was just passing on some observations about meditating experience. I know what I am saying. But do you? Really? Sounds to me you are scared of thinking for yourself. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 shukr...@... wrote: the fix for the problems you were experiencing has always been there, it is called checking, you are not a Rishi, not a teacher, you are certainly not a Maharishi, you don' know better than one. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandpaul@ wrote: It is reported that there is to be a recall of faulty techniques by the meditation conglomerate MahaMcRishi International. It seems that people have experienced problems or failures in their meditation programs due to technique problems which have now been sorted. Anyone wishing to upgrade can do so free-of-charge by using the technique 'fix'. Former TM advocate and author Paul Mason is quoted as saying; 'I find that by not using a mantra but otherwise using the TM instructions of quietening the mind, and letting go of thoughts, but treating the mantra as just another thought, the profundity of the meditation is increased many-fold. In fact there is no proper comparison between TM and mantra-freeTM. The one is like a bicycle with stabilisers and the other like a state-of-the-art submarine.'
[FairfieldLife] Re: 2012 begins krishna sat yuga according to maharishi vedic pundits
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nadarrombus royboyun...@... wrote: ya, a fictional character, - according to you maharishi thought krishna was a fictional character. you are brain damaged psychopath, Like I said about Serbs, more or less ;-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Question
do.rflex wrote: I know it's been posted before but what's the link to see FFL's email page instead of the web page? Thanks FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rory's response to the Carlson exorcism claim
On Feb 17, 2010, at 9:05 AM, Sal Sunshine wrote: On Feb 17, 2010, at 12:11 AM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: You can see him sooner than that even-- He started his own Facebook group, the Rorian Mystery School. :) http://bit.ly/aNzsLg Thanks for posting this. I just can't figure this out. It's as though Rory could go on hour after hour with this stuff. What I wonder is, would he give the same talk tomorrow as he gave today, if he were extrapolating on the same subject. Who would know the difference? Did you catch the video of him doing exactly that, complete with adoring followers in the background? (The camera never actually showed said followers, so the exact number there at the time remains--ahem-- a mystery. ) Maybe that's why it's called a mystery school? ;-) I wonder if meetings are held at a secret location or if you get a decoder ring?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic Floating experience
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@... wrote: Oh, I get it, as a conservative, I'm not supposed to giggle or comment on someones Freudian slip... because I'm conservative and *supposed* to be totally ignorant of gay culture.  Alex, just what would have been the appropriate response for a conservative seeing that post? At least you noticed the *slip* but seem to be annoyed that somebody straight and of a different political ideology beat you to the punch. With your announcement of your sexual orientation, it almost sounds like, it's OK for you to make such a comment but not for anyone else, you know, like it's OK for an African/American to use the *N* word but not OK for anyone else. Alex could well be Gay with the language he exposed here on FFL several times, so what ? I know several brilliant artists of international standing (photograpers, painters) living in Fairfield who trot that game. One of them is widely published in Europe and will soon speak the only language the americans seems to understand; that of commercial success and dollars. Over here his works are appreciated for artistic values. What tha gays miss is not my problem ;-)
[FairfieldLife] The Brue Believer Deja vu
Yahoo!'s terms of use forbid cross posting. There's a post on Yahoo's ExAmma groups from a person offering a free copy of her book about being with Amma. The lady doesn't want to spoil our reading of the book so she briefly tells how she fell hook, line and sinker for Amma, how Amma was her who life. She said she lost everything, even launched into great depression. Finally she left and became a Christian. Exactly as Eric Hoffer said it would go. True believer in one religion, true believer in another. I knew a number of former drug addicts who gave up drugs when they became Christians. And they were addicted to Jesus the way they had previously been addicted to drugs. -- If you but soak up the sunlight you are given, drink each drop of water I send, and strive only to be yourself, life shall quicken in your roots, spirit shall raise you into the light, and your bloom will inspire the world.
[FairfieldLife] Another Hitler Video Parody
This time it's about Hitler wanting Android and gets Blackberry. It's actually a video from Phandroid who is sponsoring a contest for the best Hitler Android video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p2ZyEChAzM The interesting thing is that the director of the movie Downfall loves these parodies: http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2010/01/the_director_of_downfall_on_al.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: do.rflex wrote: I know it's been posted before but what's the link to see FFL's email page instead of the web page? Thanks FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Very funny...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Britains human rights policies violate natural law, Pope says
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, It's just a ride bill.hicks.all.a.r...@... wrote: On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Premanand premanandp...@...wrote: I wonder this did not get an airing at FFL, or maybe it did I missed it? Anyway read for yourself how Maharishi the Pope sees things:- http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article7011095.ece -- Interesting that the Pope can influence upcoming elections in Britian. Lol, are you kidding me ? Not a chance in hell that the Pope can influence elections in Britain. More likely to do so here in Amercia though. Perhaps the Brits need another Henry VIII? IIRC, the last time the Catholic Church had any power in the US was when the archbishop of NYC led a campaign against Mae West's antics in film. The Pope wouldn't dare try this sort of thing in America.. The Pope has a much bigger influence in the US. However, the last time you Americans sided with the Pope was when Britain was in the middle of a multi-century battle against the power of the oppressor Catholic regimes --- and you didn't want to pay taxes to pay for your defence and the British boys dying on the battle field and in the defence of freedom around the world that Britain was waging to defend your ass. Instead, you sided with the Caholic despots, and fought against the freedom fighters, the defenders of the democratic system that was in Britain at the time (Britain already had a more democratic system than your Founders created, even though you have been brain-washed for 200 years to think otherwise.) We won the war anyway, despite your isnurgency against freedom and your stance against freedom for slaves --- and the Pope, France, and Spain were sent back with their tails between their legs to think again. America would be entirely one enforced catholic religion today if it were not for the Brits saving your ass. Plus you would be speaking French. (then we had to go and save Europe [and you] again from the despot Napolean. Kicked his ass too.) OffWorld --OffWorld If you but soak up the sunlight you are given, drink each drop of water I send, and strive only to be yourself, life shall quicken in your roots, spirit shall raise you into the light, and your bloom will inspire the world.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Product Recall - 'fix' for problems with meditation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand premanandp...@... wrote: Shukra69, I was just passing on some observations about meditating experience. I know what I am saying. Particularily about joining a cult of his liking: http://www.acem.com/usa/
[FairfieldLife] Hitler on Climate Change
A variation on a spoof template that might tickle one or two here I hope! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-PI2vCA9ck
RE: [FairfieldLife] A real Avatar singing
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 1:07 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] A real Avatar singing According to Benjamin Creme, Sri Ananda Mayi Ma was the last female Avatar to grace this Planet in incarnation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5033Xzver8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5033Xzver8feature=related feature=related Hey Nabby, just so we know a little more about you and about Benjamin Creme, would you please tell us why you consider him so authoritative? I mean, how is he supposed to know this stuff. Did he cognize it? I'm asking sincerely. Don't just refer me to his website, or if you wish, copy a block of text from there answering my question. If no such text exists, please answer in your own words.
