[FairfieldLife] Mushroom poetry
Let's hear some mushroom porn! Yummie...my mouth is watering; can't wait to eat some of those mushrooms http://mushroominfo.com/mushroomchannel/tag/mushroom-poetry/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mushroom poetry
http://www.jazjaz.net/2009/07/30-enchanting-pictures-of-mushrooms-toadstools-and-fungi.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote: Let's hear some mushroom porn! Yummie...my mouth is watering; can't wait to eat some of those mushrooms http://mushroominfo.com/mushroomchannel/tag/mushroom-poetry/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Career Opportunities for the Post-Enlightened
I'd rather invent something new.(post-enlightenment) - TurquoiseB The vasanas not inmical to realization are not weeded out by the best of Jnanis because they cannot seek new ones to crowd the old out. Therefore old ones continue until they are exhausted. The attitude of the Jnani depends on the dispositions (samskaras) and the environment, the jnana itself is pure and uncontaminated by what they do - Tripura Rahasya So you would most likely continue what you are doing unless you have latent teacher samskaras. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: OK, so the spiritual path worked out for you, and now you're all enlightened and all. What now? What do you do with the rest of the incarnation? You could go the traditional route and go into the family business, and become Yet Another Spiritual Teacher yourself. And if you do, you could model your spiritual teacher stage act on that of your own teacher. There is a certain safety in that. Or, if you're a little more adventurous, you could develop a completely new spiritual teacher act, like Chogyam Trungpa did. He decided -- rather than become a role model for the enlightened rejecting the pleasures of the world -- to become its opposite, and dive into the pleasures of the world. But he was still on the spiritual teacher career track. Are there other possible career tracks? Seems to me that there are. Some historically Supposedly Enlightened Beings, for example, went into writing. They became poets, like the Sixth Dalai Lama or Ikkyu, and they thereafter to some extent confined their teachings to those things they could convey in writing, or in song. If I were trying to imagine an alternative career path for the enlightened in this day and age, I might suggest the writing path, or (if one has any musical talent) becoming a singer-songwriter, or (if one is drawn that way) becoming a filmmaker. For example, there is Khyentse Norbu, writer and director of a fine film called The Cup. He is not only a fully-ordained Tibetan Buddhist monk, he's the recognized tulku (reincarnation) of a previously-enlightened saint. He lived in and taught traditionally in a monastery-in-exile in Bhutan. But then somehow he found himself working on the set of Kundun, and he caught the film bug. Big-time. Somehow, in spite of being an essentially penniless monk, he gathered up the money and the equipment to make a film of his own. It got some of the best reviews of any independent film in recent decades. Plus, it passed along many important lessons from Buddhism, in a funny and fun context. The title of the film comes not from the pursuit of any sacred chalice, but from the World Cup. Setting his film in his own monastery, using non-actor monks (many of them kids) as his actors, he told the story of young Tibetan kids, sent to this monastery by their parents to get them the hell out of modern-day Tibet. They're serious students of Buddhism. But they're also kids, so the plot of this film deals with the kids trying to find some way to scam a television and a satellite dish so that they can watch the soccer World Cup. The resulting film is one of the most magnificent I've ever seen in capturing the basic humanity at the heart of the spiritual path. I can't come up with, off the top of my head, any other potentially enlightened artists out there, but I suspect they exist. I know that's what I'd do if I were enlightened. Teaching the traditional way sucks; it just carries with it so much *baggage*. I'd rather invent something new.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Message of Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote: from Maharishi Mehi, a Sant Mat Guru: Maharshi Mehi's Messages To The World -- O, the people of the world! This charming and lovely world howsomuch fascinating it may be, but it is illusory, transitory and perishable like the structure of smoke, so say all but you think it is fine and pleasant and take it as true and real. The sensual pleasures are as illusory as mirage and like a deer, you run after them only to suffer, where none except Sadguru is the guide to take you of it. In this world which is like an inn, none is one's own. Has one found one's son, father, mother, wife, brother, relation, family, king, subjects and all others one's own? The residents of all the seven paradises, deities of the celestial worlds are all luxurious. But none is eternal and everyone is a traveller. Truth and abode of eternal peace is only the Supreme Being described as one beyond the sound or soundless by Sants. He is beyond Kshar (perishable) and Akshar (Imperishable) and so beyond unqualified and qualified. He is beyond the reach of eyes and other senses, nameless, beyond description and the abode of bliss. He is beyond the reach of mind and attributes of all other senses. This is the self-existence of the Supreme who is the Lord of the universe and omnipresent for extending help. Learn from Sadguru the method to realize the Supreme Being, devote yourself to constant spiritual practice as instructed and guided, keep yourself in the shelter and contact of Sadguru avoiding discrimination between Him and the Supreme. Serve and worship Him with a mind free from useless worldly thoughts. Live detached from the world and keep restraint and control over the senses. Foresake lust, anger, pride, craze, for the objects of the senses, hypocrisy, pride, attachment, hatred and so many other demerits and be in the devotion to God. It is good to be rid of the said demerits slowly. Accepting the way of Sadguru, don't let yourself be swayed by the whims of mind, adultery, falsehood, intoxication, violence and stealth. Give them up all. They are harmful and the strong ties to the material world. Wine, ganja, bhang, opium, tari, madam, kokin, tobaco - all these intoxicants are to be given up. First of all restrain your diet and then kill other demerits gradually. Give up meat and fist and adopt purity in food. Take to satsang of both kinds - inner and outer daily. Religious discourses and discussion is outer satsang whereas the constant pracitce of meditation is inner satsang. In the easy posture of sitting, practice Maanas Jap and Maanas Dhyaan of Sadgurudeo with eyes closed. Having acquired some ability of concentration, pracitise Dristi Yoga and transcend into the realm of Divine Light from the darkness of microcosm by grasping Bindu (point) in the medullary. Listen to the various inner musical sounds and thus the surat (spirit-force) transcending and ascending ahead and upward breaking the inner layers or concealments will establish itself in the divine realm of light of macrocosm from the darkness of microcosm. The spirit-force will proceed even beyond the region by the yoga of sound and will grasp the pure spiritual sound known as Sat Dhun, Ram Nam, Sar Shabda etc. in Sant's literature leaving back the sounds of lower spheres. The sound is pure, unqualified and purely spiritual in its self-existence. This sound merging in the Soundless State will also lose its existence there. This is the abode of the Supreme Being and eternal peace. One who has attained this peace or state is a Sant. Being detached and liberated from the bondage of Maya in life-time, he preaches in the world. The secret of Santmat has been described. One who knows and practises according with a pure heart and mind, loves satsang and proceeds on the path of dispassion and detachment from the world, frees others from attachments and doubts illustrating to them the philosophy of santmat is worthy of being regarded as Sadguru (the spiritual preceptor). Don't conceal anything from Sadguru and be worthy to have his nectarean affection. Behave humbly with him. Ego leads to a fall and ruin and so remain cautious otherwise you will go on suffering in the coils of transmigration. Let by gones be by gones. Hurry up to practising devotion to Sadgurudeo for the time once lost, never comes again. There is no other way than following the Santmat. If you want to be free from the cycle of birth and death, be the follower of a Sant. I tell you, listen to me, O, people of the whole world. Lord Sadgurudeo His Holiness Maharshi Mehi Paramhansji Maharaj says, The deepest secret of Santmat has been described and now I keep mum. So long as the spiritual status of a country is not raised, the moral standard of the people in the country will be neither high nor good. And so long as the moral
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Economy is So Bad...
LOL..really good lines. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: The economyÂ's so bad, Exxon-Mobil laid off 25 Congressmen. The economy is so bad, that Martha Stewart did a show on creative uses for food stamps. The economy is so bad, Bill Gates had to switch to dial up. More here: http://www.badeconomyjobs.com/bad-economy-jokes/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Career Opportunities for the Post-Enlightened
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: I'd rather invent something new.(post-enlightenment) - TurquoiseB The vasanas not inmical to realization are not weeded out by the best of Jnanis because they cannot seek new ones to crowd the old out. Therefore old ones continue until they are exhausted. The attitude of the Jnani depends on the dispositions (samskaras) and the environment, the jnana itself is pure and uncontaminated by what they do - Tripura Rahasya So you would most likely continue what you are doing unless you have latent teacher samskaras. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: OK, so the spiritual path worked out for you, and now you're all enlightened and all. What now? What do you do with the rest of the incarnation? You could go the traditional route and go into the family business, and become Yet Another Spiritual Teacher yourself. And if you do, you could model your spiritual teacher stage act on that of your own teacher. There is a certain safety in that. Or, if you're a little more adventurous, you could develop a completely new spiritual teacher act, like Chogyam Trungpa did. He decided -- rather than become a role model for the enlightened rejecting the pleasures of the world -- to become its opposite, and dive into the pleasures of the world. But he was still on the spiritual teacher career track. Are there other possible career tracks? Seems to me that there are. Some historically Supposedly Enlightened Beings, for example, went into writing. They became poets, like the Sixth Dalai Lama or Ikkyu, and they thereafter to some extent confined their teachings to those things they could convey in writing, or in song. If I were trying to imagine an alternative career path for the enlightened in this day and age, I might suggest the writing path, or (if one has any musical talent) becoming a singer-songwriter, or (if one is drawn that way) becoming a filmmaker. For example, there is Khyentse Norbu, writer and director of a fine film called The Cup. He is not only a fully-ordained Tibetan Buddhist monk, he's the recognized tulku (reincarnation) of a previously-enlightened saint. He lived in and taught traditionally in a monastery-in-exile in Bhutan. But then somehow he found himself working on the set of Kundun, and he caught the film bug. Big-time. Somehow, in spite of being an essentially penniless monk, he gathered up the money and the equipment to make a film of his own. It got some of the best reviews of any independent film in recent decades. Plus, it passed along many important lessons from Buddhism, in a funny and fun context. The title of the film comes not from the pursuit of any sacred chalice, but from the World Cup. Setting his film in his own monastery, using non-actor monks (many of them kids) as his actors, he told the story of young Tibetan kids, sent to this monastery by their parents to get them the hell out of modern-day Tibet. They're serious students of Buddhism. But they're also kids, so the plot of this film deals with the kids trying to find some way to scam a television and a satellite dish so that they can watch the soccer World Cup. The resulting film is one of the most magnificent I've ever seen in capturing the basic humanity at the heart of the spiritual path. I can't come up with, off the top of my head, any other potentially enlightened artists out there, but I suspect they exist. I know that's what I'd do if I were enlightened. Teaching the traditional way sucks; it just carries with it so much *baggage*. I'd rather invent something new. An enlightened person, doesn't think or feel in terms of becoming somebody or somethinghe or she just is... The enlightened being is more interested in doing the 'next thing' and 'Being Present' to 'Omni[present]Existence' ... The enlightened person, radiates Sat Chit Ananda, in all directions,in all times and all places at onec... and that is a purpose, infinitly more valuable than any material accomplishment... r.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Economy is So Bad...
* The economy is so bad that wives are having sex with their husbands because they can't afford batteries. * The economy is so bad, a picture is now only worth 200 words. * The economy is so bad, Dick Cheney took his stockbroker hunting. * The economy is so bad that when Bill and Hillary travel together, they now have to share a room. * The economy is so bad, that instead of a coin toss at the beginning of the Super Bowl, they played Rock, Paper, Scissors. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: LOL..really good lines. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: The economyÂ's so bad, Exxon-Mobil laid off 25 Congressmen. The economy is so bad, that Martha Stewart did a show on creative uses for food stamps. The economy is so bad, Bill Gates had to switch to dial up. More here: http://www.badeconomyjobs.com/bad-economy-jokes/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The magic of innocence
Is innocence required for magic still possible? Yes - with the dawn of self-knowledge the innocence returns, it is of the same quality of a child with one key difference. There is the lack of inhibition/shame and lack of boundaries similar to a child's innocence. Lack of inhibition because of the absence of ego bolstering thoughts and the lack of boundary because the other is an extension of oneself. However the key thing is the awareness, so the innocence is of a playful quality, and ever ready to change and adapt as the situation changes. A perfect contrast of introvertedness and extrovertedness, perfectly content when alone, incredibly playful when around others, the ability to mock oneself being one of the factors. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: In a comment to our new meditator my favourite epicurean poet blues breaker got me thinking about the magic of innocence. I sometimes experience a sense memory of a time in my childhood when everything was in the future and therefore seemed possible. I also have viid memories of my first love, my first white light experience on acid, my first drink, my first meditation and the time I believed Maharishi blasted open all my chakras. Looking back at these experiences they have a sense of magic about them. They also seem innocent. So Curtis's comment to Beth about innocence got me thinking. With my left brain (I'm right handed) in the state its in is the innocence required for magic still possible? And if not, why not?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The magic of innocence
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: So Curtis's comment to Beth about innocence got me thinking. With my left brain (I'm right handed) in the state its in is the innocence required for magic still possible? And if not, why not? I'll answer this, Bob, for myself at least, since I've arguably seen a bit more magic close up (as opposed to close-up magic) than some. I don't think that innocence is necessary to appreciate possible magic in the world. One can still dig it and favor the magical thinking interpretation, *while being aware of other non-magical interpretations* and not writing them off. It's the latter that I think most TMers mean when they use the word innocence. They're going for the one size fits all explanation, the same way they went for the one size fits all description of meditation. I think there is a different form of innocence, one that allows the perceiver to witness some- thing and view it through many different POVs, some pragmatic, some scientific, and some magical. Then the perceiver weighs *all* of the different possibilities and comes up with an interpretation that best covers the bases for him. That may be only one of the POVs (such as That was magic, dude) or it could be a combination of them (That sure looked like magic, but it could also have been me reacting to subtle suggestions given to me by the person who wanted me to believe it was magic...I don't know for sure, so I will decide right now not to decide). So my version of innocence is not automatically favoring one POV over the other. One perceives and then interprets based on all of the available ways of seeing the situation, being innocent in not preferring any one of them out of habit, or because one has been told to. Automatically interpreting things according to the way you've been told to by the TMO or by some other vendor of magical thinking is IMO the very antithesis of innocence.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness
Careful, dude. You could be in danger of falling into the realm of mortal sin -- reading things for yourself and coming to your own conclusions about what you read, rather than accept the version presented to you by FFL's Arbiters Of Truth. I mention this only in passing because you really, really don't want to wind up on the receiving end of one of the Arbiters' vendettas. If that happens one day ten years from now there may still be posts being made to FFL on a regular basis about how evil *you* are, as if the evil had happened yesterday. Like an elephant, an official Arbiter Of Truth never forgets. And never forgives. :-) The problem with telling someone to go back and read my Best Of in the archives is that when someone does so, they might just realize that it's just more pontificating on a tiny Internet forum read by no more than a couple of dozen people, and that the pontificating looks remarkably like the stuff that the same people are doing today, preaching to another couple of dozen people. Plus, if the pontificators' act has not changed in all of that time -- only the targets for their ad hominems -- the make work exercise of sending them back to read the archives might actually backfire. From my perspective, Skolnick essentially beat the socks off of his TM-puppet opponents in almost every interaction, and they're not only still pissed off about it, they're still trying to somehow wreak revenge on someone who forgot about them entirely years ago. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Aug 4, 2011, at 7:46 PM, sparaig wrote: snip ANdrew accused me of reverting an entire section when I first came into Wikipedia. He appolgized after I pointed out that I didn't even know HOW to revert at that point in time so he double checked and sure-'nuff... Andrew is probably one of the most insightful people when it comes to � and valid criticism. It's that naked, raw insight that so disturbs �-TB's. ROFL. Raw, naked insight unmixed with respect for accuracy. And he has a real knack for spotting habitual liars and that always gets their goat. Andrew is the worst liar I've ever come across, far worse than even Vaj, Barry, or John Knapp. The record is still in the Google archives of alt.meditation.transcendental. I do not know Vaj, I do not know Barry, although we cross paths here, but I did meet John Knapp very briefly, more than a decade and a half before he left the TM movement, and I really did not have much of an impression of him then, and all I know about his 'defection' is he started trancenet, and became a counselor. I found trancenet interesting. I have never thought that what John wrote on that site was out of the bounds of reality. But I cannot vouch for the truth or falsehood of most of what is on the site. This forum is like that battle in the Bhagavad-Gita. Former friends and relatives who once seemed to share the same perspective now are arrayed on the battle-field with opposing views. Maybe some mercenaries have joined in too. I just do not see it as black and white. There is a lot of subtle variation in the displeasure with TM and the TMO. I have experienced displeasure with TM on brief occasions; I never stopped and I have come out on the positive side of that release. More displeasure in the way the organisation behaved. I did a cursory search and came up with an assortment on alt.meditation.transcendental. Judy, you do use the term 'liar' a lot, and interpolating from then to today, perhaps for a long, long time. Why is it so important to use that term so frequently? If we consider a lie a bad thought, or an improper way to present information (since a lie is false information), we might remember that Maharishi said (something like this anyway - do not trust my memory that much), a bad thought is rotten to the core. If we postulate that everything is absolute being, exists because of that, then all lies come from the pure field of creative intelligence. And until enlightenment, our lives are a lie, a mistake perpetuated by our own mind in its inability to see what it itself has wrought. What is it that gets you so fired up? Skolnick seems to be a kind of crusader, and so do you, and you both seem to be rather precise in your targets and manner of speaking. And it seems you have interacted with him on that older forum, apparently not in agreement. Skolnick seems rather different from Barry, at least on my initial impression, but your mode of interaction seems similar. (That might not be significant, because my mode of interaction with everyone is similar, so it is a moot point)
[FairfieldLife] Word of this summer: jugupsaa
(Please, take the following with a huge grain of salt. Just
killing time, as usual. Saturday mornings are boring because
the stock market is closed, heh...)
One of the five niyama-s is 'shauca' (~~ s-[s]how-cha):
shauca-saMtoSa-tapaH-svaadhyaayeshvara[svaadhyaaya-iishvara]-praNidhaanaani
niyamaaH (II 32).
The result of shauca is defined in II 40 - 41:
shaucaat svaan.ga-jugupsaa parair asaMsargaH (40).
Taimni (as most[?] translators, he translates
'jugupsaa' to 'disgust'):
From physical purity (arises) disgust for one's own
body and disinclination to come in physical contact
with others.
sattvashuddhi-saumanasyaikaagryendriya-jayaatma-darshana-
yogyatvaani ca (41).
(sattvashuddhi-saumanasya + ekaagrya + indriya-jaya + aatma-darshana-
yogyatvaani ca.)
From mental purity (arises) purity of sattva (sattva-shuddhi),
cheerful-mindedness (saumanasya), one-pointedness (eka+aagrya),
control of the senses (indriya-jaya) and fitness for the
vision of the Self (aatma-darshana-yogyatva; the plural 'yogyatvaani'
is there because that's the last component of a dvanvda compound of
more thant two parts).
We have no idea where Taimni has got the 'mental purity' stuff from;
it doesn't, of course, appear in the original suutra, which might,
at least from a purely grammatical POV, be the last part of a divided suutra,
40 being the first part; that's not being the
case, 40 would be somewhat anomalous: one would expect the conjunction
'ca'(and) at the end of it, because in Sanskrit that's the normal
position of that conjunction. (Don't worry, if I *myself* read that
after a couple of days, might have a hard time to decipher it,
LOL!)
Now, the word 'jugupsaa' (perhaps translated by most men to
'disgust') seems to be derived from the verbal
root 'gup' (although Monier-Williams doesn't specifically mention
that):
gup , pp. {gupita3 gupta3} 1 (q.v.) keep, protect, guard from (abl.) D.
{jugupsate (-ti)} beware of, shun, detest; pp.
As we can see, that noun seems to be derived from the *desiderative*
form of that verb, 'jugupsate': beware of, shun, detest.
(Desideratives and the nouns derived from them in Sanskrit are formed from the
root by repeating the first syllable, either as such or more of less modified,
like 'mumukSutvaa' [mu-mu-kSu-tvaa]: desire for liberation; ju-gu-psaa: desire
to be protected[?], and so on...)
Now, one of the reasons Maharishi didn't want to emphasize yama
and niyama, might well be the, at least for Westerners, rather
appalling part of niyama, *disgust* for one's own body, and by
the same token, other gross physical bodies full of urine and feces
(as we recall at least Bhojadeva mentioning in his commentary).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Word of this summer: jugupsaa
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: the same token, other gross physical bodies full of urine and feces (as we recall at least Bhojadeva mentioning in his commentary). Well, that's from some other suutra (if any). Just checked out what Bhojadeva sez. Amongst other stuff, this: yaH kila svameva kAyaM jugupsate tattadavadyadarshanAt sa kathaM parakIyaistathAbhUtaishcha kAyaiH saMsargamanubhavati . Seems to mean something like: He, who (yaH: masculine form of that relative pronoun) detests (jugupsate) his/(her) very own (svam eva) body (kaayam) because of seeing (darshanaat) this or that (tattad: tat-tat) imperfection* (avadya), how (katham) does he enjoy** (anubhavati) connection (also: sexual intercourse: samsargam) with other (parakiiyaiH) such (tathaa-bhuutaiH: being like that) bodies (kaayaiH)? *avadya a. blamable, bad. n. imperfection, want, fault; blame, censure, blemish, disgrace. ** anubhu: be after, come up with, attain, equal; embrace, comprehend, include; help, serve, further; enjoy, feel, experience, suffer; perceive, hear, learn.
[FairfieldLife] New file uploaded to FairfieldLife
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[FairfieldLife] TM Website - Interesting content
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[FairfieldLife] Re: partial Sidhi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote: A partial Sidhi may be defined as an enhanced ability, perhaps extra-ordinary but by no means miraculous; that is facilitated by techniques such as mantras. Thanks to a certain Kali mantra, I've finally surpassed 4,000 entries (sequences and comments) in a certain mathematics encyclopedia: http://www.tinyurl.com/4zq4q Congrats Yifu! (Not sure what you've done or what it means, but it sounds impressive). Two a day or so? What's involved in creating a sequence? (Comments sound easier. Some folks here must have turbo-charged Kali mantras...) (my pics in there somewhere but not on this page). Took me about 7 years. ... I'm only revealing this should it engender some amusement in some; perhaps leading eventually in myself and others, to a genuine level of the miraculous...some day; with more development. But until that day arrives, I can attest to the power of TM (or your favorite meditation techniuqes); but more so to chanting techniques. Foremost, I give credit to Kali. All power to the Goddess! Praise! ... http://oeis.org/100k.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness
No wonder Turq likes him so much. Birds of a feather. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: I did not know about this fellow, and my knowledge of the history of the Wikipedia edits is cursory, just based on my following links in replying to the previous post; I have never edited a Wikipedia article, but I do know that sometimes there are problems with the ideology impaired attempting to modify the site. Skolnick seems to have rather good credentials as a science writer, he wrote 242 articles for JAMA, the journal of the American Medical Association between 1989 and 1999. Only one of those concerned itself with TMO related subjects, namely, he was concerned that Chopra and Sharma did not tell the truth about their connexion to products reviewed in an article on Maharishi Ayurveda in the JAMA in the early 1990s. I find it difficult to tell from what I could find on the Internet so far that he is on some personal campaign against the movement, but it is the kind of cause he would take up. He is obviously a skeptic, and is against censorship, but where did you get the information Andrew Skolnick, ... is even more violently biased against TM than Vaj? Well, Judy and I (and TorquoisB for that matter) interacted with him for years on the internet. The Judy Stein Worship Site which is still reachable if you know the links, was his eventual response to Judy's take on subjects. He even gave ME an honorable mention as the Dormouse of a.m.t. One thing to realize is that Skolnick didn't just write an article in JAMA but went on a crusade against all things TM. WHenever Hari Sharma or Deepak Chopra appeared in public within driving distance of where Skolnick lived, he attended the lecture and started harassing the speaker from the floor. Finally, the TMO decided to challenge him, so they brought a $100 million lawsuit against him and JAMA. After THAT, he was definitely on a warpath against TM. Mind you, I think the lawsuit was stupid, and I think the behavior of Chopra and Sharma was stupid. I also think that Skolnick was out of line as well. Skolnick is rather precise in his aim. Not with TM. FOr that matter, whatever catches his ire gets hit full broadside. I don't think he has a mildly annoyed mode. He wrote an article about his experiences as a guest journalism teacher in China where he castigated everyone as a cheating liar except the one student who sucked up to him. When I and judy pointed out that he was getting bent out of shape about cultural differences, he accused US of being prejudiced by assuming that the lack of ethical behavior at the school he was at was a cultural norm for china. When we pointed out that according to the Dean of the School, the behavior he was so incensed about wasn't unethical, he insisted that we were wrong: it was all that school [because everyone knows that ethics is the same in all cultures]. Vaj seems to be in a medical field and some other more esoteric areas of interest. My own impressions from my own contacts in the movement rather correspond with his (Skolnick's), except I am aware that the ideology in the movement is so strong that many there simply cannot believe otherwise, and so it is not deliberate, shall we say, malice, that they fall in with the standard line. I have long felt the movement has a strong bias, and is not honest, but that does not mean that certain things within are not without value, like meditation, and a few other things. Each needs be evaluated on its own merits. It is just that I have never had the thought that because Maharishi says TM is great, and I find that for myself to be true, that everything else in the movement is allowed to ride on the coat-tails of that positive connexion to the same status. No way. Judy and I both pointed this out as a possibility to Skolnick concerning what was going on with his interactions with the TMO. He would have none of it. In mid 1992, Deepak Chopra and two TM associations filed a $194 million libel suit against Skolnick, the AMA, JAMA's editor. The lawsuit was dismissed in early 1993. That's a rather gross oversimplification, according to my memory of the events. Skolnick's resume: http://www.aaskolnick.com/new/resume.pdf No-one ever said that he wasn't a good science writer. L.
[FairfieldLife] How to say no to your banker?
On the AA+ downgrade: 'In a comment article the official Xinhua news agency said China had every right now to demand the United States address its structural debt problems and ensure the safety of China's dollar assets. International supervision over the issue of US dollars should be introduced and a new, stable and secured global reserve currency may also be an option to avert a catastrophe caused by any single country.'
[FairfieldLife] Breaking Bad Along The Spiritual Path
I've always had a fondness for outlaws. That's why it's a tad difficult for me to explain how I missed Breaking Bad when it first appeared on the TV scene. Perhaps it's that the comments I remember from people telling me to watch it left out the catalyst that inspires Walter White to shift from being a nebbishy high-school chemistry teacher to being a manfacturer of the world's highest-quality crystal meth. When I finally heard what that catalyst was, my ears perked up and I am now in the process of catching up on what I missed. I'm a few episodes into season 3. Walt's a trip, and definitely has some good character arc on him so far. To be honest, I'm still waiting for the ultimate breaking bad moment to appear, but I'll rap about that a little further down. Instead, in the moment on this particular lakeside park bench, I'm more interested in tripping on the notion of breaking bad itself -- which I define as breaking away from the herd, saying Fuck it to the rules, and making a conscious decision to follow no one's path but one's own. I've made that decision many times in my life. The very fact that I had to make it many times should attest to the fact that making such a decision is not necessarily permanent. :-) One of the first times I broke bad was related to LSD. No, I neither made it nor sold it -- ever -- but I did partake of its inner journeys many times. During one of those journeys I realized that the view of the world and how it works I was being presented on LSD was to some extent antithetical to the view of the world and how it works I'd been taught all my life. And, since LSD was about to become illegal, it was also antithetical to following the rules. So I had to decide whether to favor my intuition that there was something of value to be found in these inner visions, or favor the Don't go there...you'll poke your I out propaganda being served up to me by the so-called real world. I decided to break bad, and go for the inner experience. I've broken bad many times since, and decided to do something that defies logic and defies the advice of my betters, and in retrospect it was always a correct decision for me to do so. I decided to become a TM teacher rather than focus on what my betters told me was a better opportunity in the world of business or academia, and I've never regretted it. I've similarly never regretted walking away from the TMO when it no longer fulfilled the needs of the natural tendency of my mind. I broke bad many times while studying with Rama, and even bigger when I walked away from that study. Possibly the biggest breaking bad moment for me was deciding to move to Paris, having only enough money to live there for a few months. It made no sense at all, but it worked out. Breaking bad sometimes has a tendency to do that. But then again I never decided to break bad as BAD as Walter White does. My breaking bad moments were mere baby steps compared to his giant steps, and legal. Mainly. And when I broke bad I tried to be honest with myself about what I was choosing to become by breaking bad. Walt -- so far in the series -- doesn't have that kind of self-honesty. I mean, the dude has broken bad so BAD that he now makes his living by cooking one of the most debilitating drugs in history, and he never thinks about that the damage that his product does on the street. He has been responsible or partially responsible for the deaths of (by my count) 172 people, and he still tells his lawyer -- and himself -- that he's not a Bad Guy. I decided to watch this series because someone finally clued me in to its magic in terms of character arc. I now agree with their assessment, but I'm still waiting for the defining -- for me -- moment of character arc to take place, the moment in which Walter can embrace his Inner Bad Guy. That's gonna be one helluva television episode.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness
On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 10:18 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: This forum is like that battle in the Bhagavad-Gita. Former friends and relatives who once seemed to share the same perspective now are arrayed on the battle-field with opposing views. Maybe some mercenaries have joined in too. I just do not see it as black and white. There is a lot of subtle variation in the displeasure with TM and the TMO. I have experienced displeasure with TM on brief occasions; I never stopped and I have come out on the positive side of that release. More displeasure in the way the organisation behaved. FFL does not consist of only former friends who share the same perspective. I was cynical about TM for years after seeing Jerry Jarvis in Boston, pushed the idea of TM aside for years, then still cynical, signed up for it. Remained cynical about TM. Stated my doubts, observed to teachers and governors how so much of it was inconsistent and stank to high Heaven. Learned the sidhis in San Francisco because there are enough alternate thinking and acting life forms there, I was just considered another guy, despite my observing that it stank to high Heaven. I remained this way to this day. Being on FFL has been extremely helpful to me in understanding where the inconsistencies and the stench came from.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Careful, dude. You could be in danger of falling into the realm of mortal sin -- reading things for yourself and coming to your own conclusions about what you read, rather than accept the version presented to you by FFL's Arbiters Of Truth. I mention this only in passing because you really, really don't want to wind up on the receiving end of one of the Arbiters' vendettas. If that happens one day ten years from now there may still be posts being made to FFL on a regular basis about how evil *you* are, as if the evil had happened yesterday. Like an elephant, an official Arbiter Of Truth never forgets. And never forgives. :-) Not likely with Xeno, since he's not dishonest and doesn't go in for insulting people he disagrees with. The problem with telling someone to go back and read my Best Of in the archives Gee, too bad nobody's told Xeno that, ain't it? snip From my perspective, Skolnick essentially beat the socks off of his TM-puppet opponents in almost every interaction LOL. Literally. Skolnick got *creamed*, repeatedly, by me and Lawson and Kurt and P and other TMers. He never quite seemed to get that in a forum context, you can't just tell falsehoods and expect to get away with them. He was used to writing articles and having them published, and if anyone sent a letter to the editor objecting to what he said, it was up to him and his bosses whether it saw the light of day in the pages of the publication weeks later--whereupon he'd have the option to reply and tell more falsehoods. He wasn't used to near-real-time, uncensored *dialogue*. , and they're not only still pissed off about it, they're still trying to somehow wreak revenge on someone who forgot about them entirely years ago. snicker How much would you like to bet he's forgotten about me?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness
whynotnow7: No wonder Turq likes him so much. Birds of a feather. Uh, no. Turq hates Skolnick's guts because Skolnick made fun of Turq's association with Zen Master Rama. Well, 'made fun of' is an understatement - 'skewered' would probably be more accurate! Skolnick turned Turq into mincemeat and it was not a pretty sight. Judy and Lawson pretty much put Skolnick in his place, but it is interesting that when Skolnick attacked me for defending TM practice, Turq, Judy and Lawson did not post a single message in my defense. Apparently all four are prejudiced against people from Texas, so for what it's worth, I lumped all four in the same folder. Go figure. Skolnick's JAMA article: http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/jama.htm
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Teacher Syndrome
turquoiseb: I mean, not meaning to be disrespectful or anything, but haven't you ever noticed that many spiritual teachers tend to be a little...uh...needy? Does this have anything to do with your teachers training you you to believe that there is a 'spiritual' world beyond the physical world of the senses? Apparently this is what you believe, that there is a 'spiritual path' and a world filled with one, if not many, spirits, souls, or what, one big Soul-monad? Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness
turquoiseb: From my perspective, Skolnick essentially beat the socks off of his TM-puppet opponents in almost every interaction... You're probably still upset with Skolnick for calling you a liar, a phoney, and a true believer for taking up for Zen Master Rama. Skolnick beat the socks of you over on Usenet. So, it's really funny you should be taking up for 'Assholenick' now! I'm sure this irony isn't lost on Judy! LoL!!!
Re: [FairfieldLife] TM Website - Interesting content
On Aug 6, 2011, at 7:22 AM, Edward wrote: http://www.zivotbezstresa.com/index.html I was surprised to see this, is it an official movement book? PLAY OF CONSCIOUSNESS 1 - Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Excerpts from Maharishi's lectures. CONTENT: GURU DEV / DIPAVALI / THE ACHIEVEMENTS OF GURU DEV / SOMA / SOMA – 2 / THE FALL / THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TC AND BC / WHOLNESS / FROM GC TO UC / THE DIFFERENT PATHS / THE SIX SYSTEMS OF INDIAN PHILOSOPHY AND … / ABOUT KARMA / BEGINING AND DISSOLUTION OF CREATION / THE FUNDAMENTAL MISTAKE OF RELIGION / CELESTIAL ANIMALS / THE FIVE TATTVAS AND THE PANCHA DEVATAS / CONTROL IS OPPOSED TO EVOLUTION / THE SILENT MIND / WHAT IS ENLIGHTENMENT? / THE NEW WOICE / BRAIN AND CONSCIOUSNESS / KNOWERS OF REALITY / BEACON LIGHT OF THE HIMALAYAS / THE LAWS OF NATURE SERVE US / KNOWLEDGE IS STRUCTURED IN CONSCIOUSNESS / RIBHU, VIBHVA AND VAJA AND THE MOST REFINED BODY (1) / RIBHU, VIBHVA AND VAJA AND THE MOST REFINED BODY (2) / RIBHU, VIBHVA AND VAJA AND THE MOST REFINED BODY (3) / REGARDING THE ABSOLUTE BODY / REPLENISHING LIFE ENERGY AND REVITALIZING THE MIND / QUEST FOR KNOWLEDGE / BEYOND BRAHMAN CONSCIOUSNESS (BC) / MAHARISHI’S VIEW ON VARIOUS AREAS OF LIFE / THE THREE KINDS OF BODIES / THE SEED OF KNOWLEDGE / THE INTELLIGENCE IN THE PROCESS OF DISSOLUTION / THE THREE KINDS OF BODIES (3) / WHO WAS YOUR HERO? / PASSAGE OF REBIRTH - 1 / PASSAGE OF REBIRTH - 2 / DEVATA / SHIVA AND THE LAST DESIRE AT THE TIME OD DEATH / THE CASTE SYSTEM / THE ANALYSIS OF AGNI / THE TRAGEDY OF KNOWLEDGE / SHUSHUMNA AND KUNDALINI / POLISHING COSMIC COUNSCIUSNESS / THE FIELD OF GRACE / THE ALLOTTED DUTY / THE LACKING INTELLIGENCE / INSTANT AND DELAYED KARMA / SAVE YOUR LIFE / WE DO NOT DEPRECIATE A NON-MEDITATOR / THE PERSONAL GODS / WHY DO WE SAY 'MAHARISHI’? / RAAM VS. RAVANA / THE PRINCIPLE OF THE GROWTH OF HEART / KARMA AND THE ABSOLUTE / THE COGNITION OF THE PROCESS OF MANIFESTATION / THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE FLAG-RAISING CEREMONY / THE VICTOR ON VICTORY DAY / I NEVER THINK OF MYSELF / THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE UNWINDING OF STRESS / HOW TO SAFEGUARD THE PURITY OF THE TEACHING / THE RECLUSE WAY OF LIFE / KRISHNA / 226 pg., 12 x 20 cm, 20 euro
[FairfieldLife] Re: How to say no to your banker?
Hi if You do not mind pale in the gap --a little correction in context -please [:D] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@... wrote: On the AA+ downgrade: 'In a comment article the official Xinhua news agency said China ,the largest creditor of the world's sole superpower [:-?] had every right now to demand the United States address its structural debt problems and ensure the safety of China's dollar assets. International supervision over the issue of US dollars should be introduced and a new, stable and secured global reserve currency may also be an option to avert a catastrophe caused by any single country.' China, sitting on the world's biggest foreign exchange reserves of around $3.20 trillion as of the end of June, is the largest holder of US Treasuries (IMHO Mister B shouldn't have borrowed money for his Iraq war in the first place-but this is spilt milk..) here how's the Reuters headline looks like: China flays U.S. over credit rating downgrade Fri, Aug 5 2011 [A broker reacts at BGC Partners at Canary Wharf financial district in London, August 5, 2011. REUTERS/Luke MacGregor] By Walter Brandimarte http://blogs.reuters.com/search/journalist.php?edition=usn=walter.bran\ dimarte and Melanie Lee http://blogs.reuters.com/search/journalist.php?edition=usn=melanie.lee\ NEW YORK/SHANGHAI | Sat Aug 6, 2011 7:37am EDT
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@... wrote: whynotnow7: No wonder Turq likes him so much. Birds of a feather. Uh, no. Turq hates Skolnick's guts because Skolnick made fun of Turq's association with Zen Master Rama. Well, 'made fun of' is an understatement - 'skewered' would probably be more accurate! Skolnick turned Turq into mincemeat and it was not a pretty sight. For a few samples, see #165221; for a description of a knock-down, drag-out fight the two of them had, plus references if anyone wants to read the original alt.m.t thread, see #195717. They both eventually decided The enemy of my enemy is my friend and made common cause, coming up with the entirely false story that I had sent Andrew's employer copies of his exchanges with me on alt.m.t and had demanded that he be fired.
[FairfieldLife] worship Givinda oh fool
Shri Charpata Panjarika Stotram' ('Bhaja Govindam') sung by Guru Dev
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbEDqdJSxoo
'Uma Maheshwara Stotram'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwJiPaNMlLEfeature=related
http://tinyurl.com/3olj8xa
http://tinyurl.com/3mpu24v
[FairfieldLife] Who says the Blues aren't spiritual?
This one is for Curtis, although I am sure he already knows that the Blues are spiritual indeed. They deal with flushing the impurities from our systems that cause us pain and keep us from feelin' alright. The vocals are tremendous, as one of the greats of the popular blues scene grunts and groans out the pain down inside that won't be denied, and that keeps him from bein' satisfied. The song is clearly about the self (small s) and how letting it go is so important to one's spiritual well-being. The sense of the bluesman's relief at the final splash as it departs and his final cry of I feel alright! is one of the most poignant spiritual transformations I've ever heard in music. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ic3g8Xnf7LI
[FairfieldLife] Re: The magic of innocence
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: snip So my version of innocence is not automatically favoring one POV over the other. One perceives and then interprets based on all of the available ways of seeing the situation, being innocent in not preferring any one of them out of habit, or because one has been told to. Automatically interpreting things according to the way you've been told to by the TMO or by some other vendor of magical thinking is IMO the very antithesis of innocence. Says Barry, demonstrating that he never understood how the term innocence is used in the TM context.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: snip One thing to realize is that Skolnick didn't just write an article in JAMA but went on a crusade against all things TM. True. But... WHenever Hari Sharma or Deepak Chopra appeared in public within driving distance of where Skolnick lived, he attended the lecture and started harassing the speaker from the floor. ...when you made this charge on alt.m.t, he denied ever having disrupted a TM or an MA-V lecture, claimed the only such lecture he ever attended was one by Chopra, and that he'd sat quietly and listened throughout. And that may indeed have been the case. But it may or may not be something you'd want to take Skolnick's word for, given that... snip In mid 1992, Deepak Chopra and two TM associations filed a $194 million libel suit against Skolnick, the AMA, JAMA's editor. The lawsuit was dismissed in early 1993. That's a rather gross oversimplification, according to my memory of the events. ...he *repeatedly* insisted on alt.m.t that there had been no settlement of any kind whatsoever in the dismissal of the suit without prejudice (meaning the suit could be filed again) and accused those who suggested that there had been of deliberate falsehood. But as Lawson subsequently informed us here, somebody writing on the Talk pages of the Wikipedia article on TM dug up the actual ruling. And lo and behold, there *had* been a settlement after all: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Transcendental_Meditation/Archive_11#Settled_out_of_Court.3F http://tinyurl.com/42e2fa6
[FairfieldLife] Re: worship Givinda oh fool
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@... wrote:
Shri Charpata Panjarika Stotram' ('Bhaja Govindam') sung by Guru Dev
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbEDqdJSxoo
'Uma Maheshwara Stotram'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwJiPaNMlLEfeature=related
http://tinyurl.com/3olj8xa
http://tinyurl.com/3mpu24v
George Harrison Govinda Jaya jaya
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9-9I7bL3gg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: snip Andrew is probably one of the most insightful people when it comes to TM and valid criticism. It's that naked, raw insight that so disturbs TM-TB's. For an example of Andrew Skolnick's naked, raw insight, I *am* going to refer to two Best of... posts of mine in the FFL archives, from a year ago, analyzing one of Skolnick's most pernicious, most despicable attempts at deception. They're #251262 and #251328 from June 2010; they contain a link to a relevant thread on alt.meditation.transcendental for anyone who wants to verify any of what I said in the post. Bottom line, unlike Barry and Vaj, Lawson and I aren't just flapping our gums here. We've got the goods on Skolnick, and they'll be available for all to see and verify as long as Google Groups' and Wikipedia's archives remain on the Web.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: snip Skolnick got *creamed*, repeatedly, by me and Lawson and Kurt and P and other TMers. He never quite seemed to get that in a forum context, you can't just tell falsehoods and expect to get away with them. He was used to writing articles and having them published, and if anyone sent a letter to the editor objecting to what he said, it was up to him and his bosses whether it saw the light of day in the pages of the publication weeks later--whereupon he'd have the option to reply and tell more falsehoods. He wasn't used to near-real-time, uncensored *dialogue*. Just for kicks, a comment from Barry on alt.m.t, addressing Skolnick: I know you're the prestigious writer and all, but you're used to a medium where you can sling shit and the worst that can happen to you is a heavily-edited letter to the editor. Here, folks can and do respond however they want when confronted with a classic McCarthyist attempt at defamation. Obviously making exactly the same point I just did above, albeit in fewer words.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Woman meditating
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 10:38 PM, Yifu yifux...@yahoo.com wrote: Manuel Carbonell, Cuba, 1900: http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/6/53266.jpg Wrong!That' one of my water faucets.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: snip Well, Trancenet often cited (cites?) the German Government study on TM (The study was *cited* by the government but not *done* by the government, FWIW.) which is actually biased enough that when I found it being cited in one of the online skeptical websites, I emailed the owner with a quote from it describing its own research methodology where upon he replied yikes and took down his link to it. It wasn't just on Trancenet. Knapp touted the German study repeatedly on alt.m.t. However, three different professional researchers--one affiliated with TM, and two entirely independent (one of the independents being TM critic Barry Markovsky)--told him the study was a joke. Knapp continued to promote it heavily on Trancenet nevertheless as proof that TM had harmful effects on a large percentage of practitioners. Not only that, he seriously (and knowingly) mischaracterized its legal status. (TM had brought a lawsuit asking that it be withdrawn, which was ultimately dismissed by Germany's highest court on jurisdictional grounds, although the study had been ruled worthless by a lower court.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Who says the Blues aren't spiritual?
The theme of the fullness of fullness resolving into the fullness of emptiness is a Vedic one that precedes the blues by thousands of years. This guy is Little Richard on PCP! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: This one is for Curtis, although I am sure he already knows that the Blues are spiritual indeed. They deal with flushing the impurities from our systems that cause us pain and keep us from feelin' alright. The vocals are tremendous, as one of the greats of the popular blues scene grunts and groans out the pain down inside that won't be denied, and that keeps him from bein' satisfied. The song is clearly about the self (small s) and how letting it go is so important to one's spiritual well-being. The sense of the bluesman's relief at the final splash as it departs and his final cry of I feel alright! is one of the most poignant spiritual transformations I've ever heard in music. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ic3g8Xnf7LI
[FairfieldLife] Department of Jealous Much? Dept.
Relative importance in the universe, or even on the Net: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_A._Skolnick http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judy_Stein http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawson_English :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Mushroom poetry
On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 2:08 AM, Yifu yifux...@yahoo.com wrote: Let's hear some mushroom porn! Yummie...my mouth is watering; can't wait to eat some of those mushrooms http://mushroominfo.com/mushroomchannel/tag/mushroom-poetry/ Hookah!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Department of Jealous Much? Dept.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Relative importance in the universe, or even on the Net: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_A._Skolnick http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judy_Stein http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawson_English :-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Wright Poor guy didn't get very far with his attempt to put me and Lawson down. And given what was brought up in response, at this point he most likely wishes he hadn't tried in the first place. What to do, what to do? Aha! A lame wisecrack, that's the ticket! Well...maybe not so much.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness
How do I access that archive please? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@ wrote: whynotnow7: No wonder Turq likes him so much. Birds of a feather. Uh, no. Turq hates Skolnick's guts because Skolnick made fun of Turq's association with Zen Master Rama. Well, 'made fun of' is an understatement - 'skewered' would probably be more accurate! Skolnick turned Turq into mincemeat and it was not a pretty sight. For a few samples, see #165221; for a description of a knock-down, drag-out fight the two of them had, plus references if anyone wants to read the original alt.m.t thread, see #195717. They both eventually decided The enemy of my enemy is my friend and made common cause, coming up with the entirely false story that I had sent Andrew's employer copies of his exchanges with me on alt.m.t and had demanded that he be fired.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: How do I access that archive please? The FFL archive? I gave you the message numbers. Not sure what you're asking. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@ wrote: whynotnow7: No wonder Turq likes him so much. Birds of a feather. Uh, no. Turq hates Skolnick's guts because Skolnick made fun of Turq's association with Zen Master Rama. Well, 'made fun of' is an understatement - 'skewered' would probably be more accurate! Skolnick turned Turq into mincemeat and it was not a pretty sight. For a few samples, see #165221; for a description of a knock-down, drag-out fight the two of them had, plus references if anyone wants to read the original alt.m.t thread, see #195717. They both eventually decided The enemy of my enemy is my friend and made common cause, coming up with the entirely false story that I had sent Andrew's employer copies of his exchanges with me on alt.m.t and had demanded that he be fired.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Department of Jealous Much? Dept.
Barry only admires people who have a following, much as he wishes he did. He tries to paint himself as some kind of rebel, but the guy is as conventional as American cheese. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Relative importance in the universe, or even on the Net: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_A._Skolnick http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judy_Stein http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawson_English :-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Wright Poor guy didn't get very far with his attempt to put me and Lawson down. And given what was brought up in response, at this point he most likely wishes he hadn't tried in the first place. What to do, what to do? Aha! A lame wisecrack, that's the ticket! Well...maybe not so much.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness
Oh...I though they were messages on the alt usenet site...Thanks. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: How do I access that archive please? The FFL archive? I gave you the message numbers. Not sure what you're asking. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@ wrote: whynotnow7: No wonder Turq likes him so much. Birds of a feather. Uh, no. Turq hates Skolnick's guts because Skolnick made fun of Turq's association with Zen Master Rama. Well, 'made fun of' is an understatement - 'skewered' would probably be more accurate! Skolnick turned Turq into mincemeat and it was not a pretty sight. For a few samples, see #165221; for a description of a knock-down, drag-out fight the two of them had, plus references if anyone wants to read the original alt.m.t thread, see #195717. They both eventually decided The enemy of my enemy is my friend and made common cause, coming up with the entirely false story that I had sent Andrew's employer copies of his exchanges with me on alt.m.t and had demanded that he be fired.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Mushroom poetry [1 Attachment]
On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 2:08 AM, Yifu yifux...@yahoo.com wrote: Let's hear some mushroom porn! Yummie...my mouth is watering; can't wait to eat some of those mushrooms http://mushroominfo.com/mushroomchannel/tag/mushroom-poetry/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: How do I access that archive please? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/messages Plug the message numbers from Judy's post into the box labeled Message # and click Go. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@ wrote: whynotnow7: No wonder Turq likes him so much. Birds of a feather. Uh, no. Turq hates Skolnick's guts because Skolnick made fun of Turq's association with Zen Master Rama. Well, 'made fun of' is an understatement - 'skewered' would probably be more accurate! Skolnick turned Turq into mincemeat and it was not a pretty sight. For a few samples, see #165221; for a description of a knock-down, drag-out fight the two of them had, plus references if anyone wants to read the original alt.m.t thread, see #195717. They both eventually decided The enemy of my enemy is my friend and made common cause, coming up with the entirely false story that I had sent Andrew's employer copies of his exchanges with me on alt.m.t and had demanded that he be fired.
[FairfieldLife] Re: So, does TM work?
I enjoyed Andrew's comment that Barry can be played like a kazoo, but it is Barry who thinks he is making the music. So true! Why is it some people, like Barry, get so blinded by their own reflection that they then assume they are so much smarter than everyone else? I see it happen again and again with these types. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity ruthsimplicity@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: And then there was that awful Andrew Skolnick article in JAMA back in 1991. That's a long, ugly story, but the piece did terrible damage to TM's reputation among medical professionals, including researchers (which was Skolnick's intention, as well as to advance his own journalistic career, which he did). The article was a hatchet job, one of the most deliberately deceptive pieces of journalism I've ever seen. Not going there! I made the mistake of a google search and see that there was a bitter dispute between the two of you. Wise woman. The tell on this one is that Judy still keeps trying to suck people back into a ten-year-old debate. What this vendetta is really about is her trying to get a belated revenge against Skolnick for the crime of col- lecting her own quotes and putting them up on the Web to show people what she's like: http://www.aaskolnick.com/junkyarddog/ Too funny. You'd have to have been there to know what an extraordinary set of lies this is, on so many levels. That's why Barry feels safe in telling it. He has a good reason, though. He doesn't want anybody to check out alt.m.t and discover how Andrew repeatedly wiped the floor with him. Here's just a little taste (Shoki was the handle--actually only one of many--that Barry was using at the time): -- [Andrew wrote:] Shoki, whose name is Barry Wright, is a disciple of Fred Lenz, a.k.a. Zen Master Rama. Quite a number of former followers are publicly claiming that Lenz victimized them financially, psychologically -- and in some cases sexually. So I'm not surprised that shoki insists blame should remain with the victim. Such a view serves his Master. -- Since I strongly suspect this vitriol comes from a hired gun, who's purpose is to discredit critics of cults on the Internet, I take the above insults as flattering encouragement. Obviously my postings have struck home or else schlocki wouldn't be all over me like a hunger- crazed deerfly Schloki, is anyone paying you to slink along the Internet and post libelous attacks on anyone who dares to criticize cult-like groups? I see a pattern here, a pattern that would be hard to explain in the absence of a financial motive. -- Let's look at the real motiviation for his hateful postings: This character, who goes under the pseudonym of shoki and refuses to identify himself, was a long-time devotee of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. He became disillusioned and left. I'm told he went off to follow another guru. Now he's come back to haunt the TM newsgroup, claiming he's now neither for or against TM. This is what I suspect: Shoki's an egomaniac. He wants to be worshipped. He's here hoping to recruit a following. He now knows there's no future in being a guru groupie. Wealth and power only flows uphill to where the guru sits. Like a vulture, he senses his former guru, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, is frail and soon to become *immortal* by dying, leaving his followers in turmoil and dismay. So he's come back to perch and wait while trying to win over TM lurkers who are growing increasingly disillusioned (after all, the Maharishi isn't flying all about the skies as they thought he would -- he can barely hobble around the room on his own). Now let's listen to how well shoki thinks he's doing with part of his game plan: [quoting Barry:] How I chose to deal with it is admittedly juvenile, but effective. I let others debate him head-to-head on his points; they are good at it, he is good at it. The result seems a wash, and fails to make the point I wanted to make, that he is _heavily_ and very emotionally involved in this issue, to the point of it being an obsession. So I absolutely refuse to take him seriously, and to continue to prod him and poke fun at him whenever possible. His replies, like the one above, tend to reveal more of his true motivations than do his canned posts to the newsgroups he cultivates his reputation on. The amazing thing about shoki, is that you can play him like a kazoo and he thinks he's the one making the music. As James Randi often says, hucksters are like rubber ducks. You just can't sink them. They keep popping back up. The best we can do is get others to laugh at them. I hope
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness
...I am not seeing a Go key on my keyboard...Is it some combination like F6+G+O?? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: How do I access that archive please? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/messages Plug the message numbers from Judy's post into the box labeled Message # and click Go. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@ wrote: whynotnow7: No wonder Turq likes him so much. Birds of a feather. Uh, no. Turq hates Skolnick's guts because Skolnick made fun of Turq's association with Zen Master Rama. Well, 'made fun of' is an understatement - 'skewered' would probably be more accurate! Skolnick turned Turq into mincemeat and it was not a pretty sight. For a few samples, see #165221; for a description of a knock-down, drag-out fight the two of them had, plus references if anyone wants to read the original alt.m.t thread, see #195717. They both eventually decided The enemy of my enemy is my friend and made common cause, coming up with the entirely false story that I had sent Andrew's employer copies of his exchanges with me on alt.m.t and had demanded that he be fired.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: ...I am not seeing a Go key on my keyboard...Is it some combination like F6+G+O?? I bet you don't have a box labeled Message # on your keyboard either, do you? Dump that old technology, dude, and get a modern keyboard equipped with Go and Message # keys. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: How do I access that archive please? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/messages Plug the message numbers from Judy's post into the box labeled Message # and click Go. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@ wrote: whynotnow7: No wonder Turq likes him so much. Birds of a feather. Uh, no. Turq hates Skolnick's guts because Skolnick made fun of Turq's association with Zen Master Rama. Well, 'made fun of' is an understatement - 'skewered' would probably be more accurate! Skolnick turned Turq into mincemeat and it was not a pretty sight. For a few samples, see #165221; for a description of a knock-down, drag-out fight the two of them had, plus references if anyone wants to read the original alt.m.t thread, see #195717. They both eventually decided The enemy of my enemy is my friend and made common cause, coming up with the entirely false story that I had sent Andrew's employer copies of his exchanges with me on alt.m.t and had demanded that he be fired.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bernie Sanders for President
The vicious dogs would eat him alivehe probably can do more good as a senator. --- On Fri, 8/5/11, authfriend jst...@panix.com wrote: From: authfriend jst...@panix.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bernie Sanders for President To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 8:07 PM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noah wayback71@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@ wrote: He's the guy for me right now Denise, I could not agree with you more.Period. I adore him too, but he ain't gonna run, more's the pity. Don't get your hopes up.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Woman meditating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 10:38 PM, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote: Manuel Carbonell, Cuba, 1900: http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/6/53266.jpg Wrong!That' one of my water faucets. Total but-her face.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Breaking Bad Along The Spiritual Path
On 08/06/2011 05:13 AM, turquoiseb wrote: I've always had a fondness for outlaws. That's why it's a tad difficult for me to explain how I missed Breaking Bad when it first appeared on the TV scene. Perhaps it's that the comments I remember from people telling me to watch it left out the catalyst that inspires Walter White to shift from being a nebbishy high-school chemistry teacher to being a manfacturer of the world's highest-quality crystal meth. When I finally heard what that catalyst was, my ears perked up and I am now in the process of catching up on what I missed. I'm a few episodes into season 3. Walt's a trip, and definitely has some good character arc on him so far. To be honest, I'm still waiting for the ultimate breaking bad moment to appear, but I'll rap about that a little further down. Instead, in the moment on this particular lakeside park bench, I'm more interested in tripping on the notion of breaking bad itself -- which I define as breaking away from the herd, saying Fuck it to the rules, and making a conscious decision to follow no one's path but one's own. I've made that decision many times in my life. The very fact that I had to make it many times should attest to the fact that making such a decision is not necessarily permanent. :-) One of the first times I broke bad was related to LSD. No, I neither made it nor sold it -- ever -- but I did partake of its inner journeys many times. During one of those journeys I realized that the view of the world and how it works I was being presented on LSD was to some extent antithetical to the view of the world and how it works I'd been taught all my life. And, since LSD was about to become illegal, it was also antithetical to following the rules. So I had to decide whether to favor my intuition that there was something of value to be found in these inner visions, or favor the Don't go there...you'll poke your I out propaganda being served up to me by the so-called real world. I decided to break bad, and go for the inner experience. I've broken bad many times since, and decided to do something that defies logic and defies the advice of my betters, and in retrospect it was always a correct decision for me to do so. I decided to become a TM teacher rather than focus on what my betters told me was a better opportunity in the world of business or academia, and I've never regretted it. I've similarly never regretted walking away from the TMO when it no longer fulfilled the needs of the natural tendency of my mind. I broke bad many times while studying with Rama, and even bigger when I walked away from that study. Possibly the biggest breaking bad moment for me was deciding to move to Paris, having only enough money to live there for a few months. It made no sense at all, but it worked out. Breaking bad sometimes has a tendency to do that. But then again I never decided to break bad as BAD as Walter White does. My breaking bad moments were mere baby steps compared to his giant steps, and legal. Mainly. And when I broke bad I tried to be honest with myself about what I was choosing to become by breaking bad. Walt -- so far in the series -- doesn't have that kind of self-honesty. I mean, the dude has broken bad so BAD that he now makes his living by cooking one of the most debilitating drugs in history, and he never thinks about that the damage that his product does on the street. He has been responsible or partially responsible for the deaths of (by my count) 172 people, and he still tells his lawyer -- and himself -- that he's not a Bad Guy. I decided to watch this series because someone finally clued me in to its magic in terms of character arc. I now agree with their assessment, but I'm still waiting for the defining -- for me -- moment of character arc to take place, the moment in which Walter can embrace his Inner Bad Guy. That's gonna be one helluva television episode. Geez, it took you this long to catch on to one of the best TV series ever produced? I've been recommending this show here ever since it's first season. And Bryan Cranston has been winning the best actor Emmy ever since it debuted. But probably not this year and I even speculated that they allowed the season to run AFTER this year's Emmy nominees had been announced so maybe John Hamm would have a chance. Got a bit of catchin' up to do there and some surprises ahead.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bernie Sanders for President-to Mark
I responded to you personally at your email btw.I'm feeling better todaymostly, my response to you was triggered by a guy who took himself out after years and years with Amma and having followed his posting story in my initial research on her, I was fairly horrified at the tragedy. He lost himself...literally...sorry I was projecting. I'm not selling the house yet. I have a teenager at home. Although I am also mad that I didn't follow my gut and sell stock to pay for my daughter's tuition last week before the collapse because I have to send the check Monday...two different experts told me to hold. I continually shoot myself in the foot (financially). I am surrendering to the concept that I will likely be poor sometime sooner rather than later and that I am fine with that. There are always optionsI could get a renter, I could start growing some of my food, I could join a bartering community, I could volunteer and meet others who can teach me how to be poor. OPTIONS I must start meditating in a more disciplined fashion...I can and do spin out. Yes, following FFL is time consuming but has been helpful for me in so many ways. However, posting on FFL doesn't pay the bills or do my schoolworkPeace Out. --- On Fri, 8/5/11, Mark Landau m...@sky5.com wrote: From: Mark Landau m...@sky5.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Bernie Sanders for President-to Mark To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 5:56 PM Thank you, Denise, for this and your previous, lovely email. I wanted to respond sooner, but was concerned about over-posting. I also had to go out.What a generous heart you must have!It's not my plan, at this time, to go. I've always loved death and was inspired to write what I did in the context of that discussion. Though, I must say, at 65, with things the way they are and feeling the way I do, going quietly into that good night does not seem all that horrendous to me.I do believe there is something in the works to keep me here and that it will manifest in due time. But I've done nothing much to manifest it myself. I've been spending most of my time w/ FFL, to, IME, good effect. But I'm beginning to feel the need to curtail this time-consuming endeavor and refocus on the mundane.I'm comfortable for the moment and should be alright till November, shortly after which there will have to be some drastic changes if things remain as they are.I do have a little guest room in my little rented duplex. You're totally welcome to stay for awhile, if I still have it when you're ready.Of course, I accepted tedadams' little donation and would always accept any help from anyone if anyone were so disposed. As I said, I'm not proud and have given a lot away in my time. My address and electronic payment web page were previously posted and if anyone were to really want to, I wouldn't be hard to find.So, again, my heartfelt thanks. If things get desperate you may again hear from me. May beings like you proliferate on the planet. Good luck with the sale of your home and your road trip.m On Aug 5, 2011, at 4:52 PM, Denise Evans wrote: Geezus Mark, don't send out any more death poemsnot all of us are TMers.what the F@ck does that all mean?whaddya need? Money? How much. I'm about to send out a check for 21,000 for half my daughters tuition and I'd be more than willing to send you some too. But, you'd better offer me a place to stay when I pull up in my trailer after I sell my house and take a road trip to see all the national parks I've missed out on over the years. --- On Fri, 8/5/11, Mark Landau m...@sky5.com wrote: From: Mark Landau m...@sky5.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Bernie Sanders for President To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 12:28 PM OK, I'll bite. I don't hold him in the same league as Jimi and M, but I worked my butt off for Kucinich's first campaign, initially gratis and then on the campaign's payroll, so I had some decent interaction with him. What's her name here, Chris Griscom, is his friend/teacher. I helped open the campaign in seven western states. I have a lot of respect for him, but I'd shudder to think what might have happened to the country if he were to run it like he did his first campaign. So, perhaps a few more steps to the plate and I'll walk, at least temporarily. I might as well gather my resources and try focusing on my survival... On Aug 5, 2011, at 12:48 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Or Allen Grayson. Dennis Kucinich would be great if he didn’t look like a space alien. Even if he looked like a movie star, he’s probably too far ahead of the curve to get elected.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Breaking Bad Along The Spiritual Path
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Geez, it took you this long to catch on to one of the best TV series ever produced? So far it wouldn't make my Top Ten. In comparison, the UK series that hasn't broken in the US yet The Shadow Line makes my Top Five. 3 of the reasons it's better are the pacing, the acting, and the plot. I've been recommending this show here ever since it's first season. And Bryan Cranston has been winning the best actor Emmy ever since it debuted. But probably not this year and I even speculated that they allowed the season to run AFTER this year's Emmy nominees had been announced so maybe John Hamm would have a chance. Got a bit of catchin' up to do there and some surprises ahead. I'll take your word for the surprises, but as I see it so far (7 episodes into season 3) there haven't been any yet. Everything was pretty much predictable. One of the things I liked about The Shadow Line is that very little was. But YMMV. They're British cops and drug dealers, and thus things work a little differently than they do in Albuquerque. It has been really nice to see visuals of New Mexico again, though.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness
Reminds me of that Nissan Leaf ad I think it is, where it shows a bunch of appliances, like microwaves and toasters powered by two cycle internal combustion engines. Pretty funny. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: ...I am not seeing a Go key on my keyboard...Is it some combination like F6+G+O?? I bet you don't have a box labeled Message # on your keyboard either, do you? Dump that old technology, dude, and get a modern keyboard equipped with Go and Message # keys. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: How do I access that archive please? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/messages Plug the message numbers from Judy's post into the box labeled Message # and click Go. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@ wrote: whynotnow7: No wonder Turq likes him so much. Birds of a feather. Uh, no. Turq hates Skolnick's guts because Skolnick made fun of Turq's association with Zen Master Rama. Well, 'made fun of' is an understatement - 'skewered' would probably be more accurate! Skolnick turned Turq into mincemeat and it was not a pretty sight. For a few samples, see #165221; for a description of a knock-down, drag-out fight the two of them had, plus references if anyone wants to read the original alt.m.t thread, see #195717. They both eventually decided The enemy of my enemy is my friend and made common cause, coming up with the entirely false story that I had sent Andrew's employer copies of his exchanges with me on alt.m.t and had demanded that he be fired.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: Reminds me of that Nissan Leaf ad I think it is, where it shows a bunch of appliances, like microwaves and toasters powered by two cycle internal combustion engines. Pretty funny. http://youtu.be/j0sCCJFkEbE
[FairfieldLife] Re: Adieu
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau m@... wrote: Hi all, I guess I'll be signing off for now. Heartfelt thanks to all of you to whom thanks are due, you know who you are, and especially those who showed me generosity. A special thanks, again, to those who gave me résumé and job advice, I never thanked you individually. I may return, but feel the need to narrow down my vision to what may be my highest way forward now and, perhaps, too, that this forum may not be my forum anymore, though it certainly was till now, more so than most others I've engaged in recently (this being the only Internet forum I've ever joined, the others being movements of one stripe or another). I probably won't pull the plug for a few days, but, by Sunday or Monday, probably will. Love and blessings to all of you and all that is, m Hi all, I guess I'll be signing off for now. Heartfelt thanks to all of you to whom thanks are due, you know who you are, and especially those who showed me generosity. A special thanks, again, to those who gave me résumé and job advice, I never thanked you individually. I may return, but feel the need to narrow down my vision to what may be my highest way forward now and, perhaps, too, that this forum may not be my forum anymore, though it certainly was till now, more so than most others I've engaged in recently (this being the only Internet forum I've ever joined, the others being movements of one stripe or another). I probably won't pull the plug for a few days, but, by Sunday or Monday, probably will. Love and blessings to all of you and all that is, Dear Mark, I want to reiterate something I have already said to you, even as it will be misunderstoodor challengedby many posters and readers on FFL. I have evidence, for me in a completely objective place within my personal consciousness (can I say that? Well, I have, so I guess I can), that you possessthis is as much unconscious as it is consciousthe most accurate and definitive 'take' on Maharishi Mahesh Yogi of anyone I have known. And I almost knew this immediately after watching David Wants To Fly. What you said to David Sieveking. So, no matter what difficulties are posed by your constitutional vulnerability (something you have no say in, I believe), you possess, inside your soul, an apprehension of Maharishi which, eventually, caused a very important level of liberation in me. Namely: the ability to finally know Maharishi as a human being disjoined from his status and aura as spiritual Teacher, Master. Yes, Mark, I have told you this before, but after reading one of your posts, the truth about who Maharishi isas seen under the aspect of eternityformed itself inside my consciousnesswithout any participation or involvement of my subjective self. It was not there. Then suddenly it was there. [Aside to the blues man: this is my operational definition of innocencein the highest sense.] And this has made all the difference to me. Even, as I found out in reading Bob Price's most recent post to me, that there's more there to understand. Nevertheless, as I told you at the time, I crossed a critical threshold of understandingwhich I would never have crossed had it not been for the human being Mark Landau. Now you and I know of secrets about Maharishi that no one else knows. But about that we must remain silent. Or at least, I must. No, *the only person I trust* (or find myself trusting) all the way when it comes to knowing Maharishi is yourself. Not, as I have repeatedly said, based uponat least entirelyyour own conscious and experiential sense of Maharishiwhat you can articulate and know; but rather based upon the truth that somehow divine providence used you to put inside of you all of what Maharishi wasor at least what definitively one needs to know in order to objectify Maharishi Mahesh Yogi in the most important waysomething indispensable for myself. You are a victim of the truth of who Maharishi Mahesh Yogi was (and, I believe, still is). You are a vessel of truth in this regard, even as you cannot access all of what this means. I believe divine providence could only do this because of how you are made and what you have suffered because of how you are made. In any case, Mark, if I don't get to read more posts of yours after this weekend, you will know that I can't forget what you did for me, both by conscious intention, and by supernatural accident. It has made such a difference to my own interior world when it comes to thinking about, remembering, and experiencing Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. Robin
[FairfieldLife] There Aren't Enough Rich TO Tax!
IRS: Not enough rich to cover the deficit August 5, 2011 by Don Surber Soak the rich, eh? They do not have the money? A report from the Internal Revenue Service found that the rich 8,274 people with incomes of $10 million per year or more earned a total of $240 billion in 2009. Even of you confiscated every dime they earned, you would barely have enough money to cover government spending for 24 days. Of course, about a quarter of that money already goes to the federal government for federal income. So make that 18 days. Another 227,000 people earned $1 million or more in 2009. Millionaires averaged taxes of 24.4% of their income up from 23.1% in 2008. They, too, did not earn enough money to come anywhere close to covering the annual deficits that are $1.5 trillion a year. Barack Obama was the first president to sign a budget with a $1 trillion deficit into law. In fact, all the taxpayers including the ones who get a refund check bigger than the withholding taxes they paid have the money. From Reuters http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/04/us-usa-economy-incomes-idUSTR\ E77302W20110804 : Total adjusted gross income reported on tax returns, measured in 2009 dollars, was $7.626 trillion, down from $8.233 trillion in 2008 and $8.989 trillion in 2007. Total adjusted gross income was up only slightly from the $7.475 trillion reported in 2001, when there were 10 million fewer taxpayers. Adjusted gross income is the amount on the last line of the front page of a Form 1040 tax return. Individual tax collections totaled $1,175,422,000,000 in 2009 or 15.4% of all income. Doubling federal income taxes for everyone would still leave us $400 billion or so shy of balancing the budget. We must cut. We cannot afford to buy everything we want. [Bookmark and Share] http://addthis.com/bookmark.php?v=250
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@... wrote: whynotnow7: No wonder Turq likes him so much. Birds of a feather. Uh, no. Turq hates Skolnick's guts because Skolnick made fun of Turq's association with Zen Master Rama. Well, 'made fun of' is an understatement - 'skewered' would probably be more accurate! Skolnick turned Turq into mincemeat and it was not a pretty sight. Judy and Lawson pretty much put Skolnick in his place, but it is interesting that when Skolnick attacked me for defending TM practice, Turq, Judy and Lawson did not post a single message in my defense. Apparently all four are prejudiced against people from Texas, so for what it's worth, I lumped all four in the same folder. Go figure. Skolnick's JAMA article: http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/jama.htm /me notes that his birth certificate is from Texas... And I don't think I defended most people on that forum. My agenda with Andrew was just arguing with Andrew, IIRC. L.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Breaking Bad Along The Spiritual Path
On 08/06/2011 10:11 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote: Geez, it took you this long to catch on to one of the best TV series ever produced? So far it wouldn't make my Top Ten. In comparison, the UK series that hasn't broken in the US yet The Shadow Line makes my Top Five. 3 of the reasons it's better are the pacing, the acting, and the plot. I've been recommending this show here ever since it's first season. And Bryan Cranston has been winning the best actor Emmy ever since it debuted. But probably not this year and I even speculated that they allowed the season to run AFTER this year's Emmy nominees had been announced so maybe John Hamm would have a chance. Got a bit of catchin' up to do there and some surprises ahead. I'll take your word for the surprises, but as I see it so far (7 episodes into season 3) there haven't been any yet. Everything was pretty much predictable. One of the things I liked about The Shadow Line is that very little was. But YMMV. They're British cops and drug dealers, and thus things work a little differently than they do in Albuquerque. It has been really nice to see visuals of New Mexico again, though. I got a kick out the episode two weeks ago because Walt has a meeting at the Denny's across the street from the Dr. Lad's Ayurvedic clinic. I went there the first night I was at a Hart DeFouw class at his clinic. I was not expecting smoking in the place but New Mexico had not caught up with California. And then I was not expecting the taxis situation waiting over an hour for a cab. There were two cab companies in Albuquerque both owned by the same guy. There was little incentive for cabs to get there on time. I almost missed my flight out on Sunday but fortunately it had been delayed. Fortunately the rest of the weekend a former TM teacher who worked at the clinic ferried me back and forth from my motel. I made a note to rent a car the next time. Of course I can't compare The Shadow Line yet but Breaking Bad is heads and shoulders above the tripe that passes for US TV series. The pacing is fine but if one is into blatant exposition as found in many lame US series maybe they won't enjoy it. I think that BB has brilliant writing, directing and acting. So do the majority of people on the HT forums I hang out on. My dessert series is In Plain Sight which is on USA and also shot in Albuquerque. It shows that you don't have to be hokey either to produce a formula series. The other day a professional in the production field on one forum agreed with me on that assessment and he is really tough on series.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Department of Jealous Much? Dept.
What a bunch of laggards! You can find my (real) name on Wikipedia but it isn't me. But that guy doesn't have a listing on IMDB like me (which was a complete surprise when I discovered it). :-D On 08/06/2011 09:26 AM, whynotnow7 wrote: Barry only admires people who have a following, much as he wishes he did. He tries to paint himself as some kind of rebel, but the guy is as conventional as American cheese. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriendjstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoisebno_reply@ wrote: Relative importance in the universe, or even on the Net: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_A._Skolnick http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judy_Stein http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawson_English :-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Wright Poor guy didn't get very far with his attempt to put me and Lawson down. And given what was brought up in response, at this point he most likely wishes he hadn't tried in the first place. What to do, what to do? Aha! A lame wisecrack, that's the ticket! Well...maybe not so much.
[FairfieldLife] Tom Pall Theme Song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UnPzp2lmNk --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: *From:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Alex Stanley *Sent:* Friday, August 05, 2011 7:26 AM *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Long posts count as two? ** ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@ wrote: I must have missed a post or two. That happens when you have to forward posts to places that forward posts so you can read them. I've already responded to this here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/284616 Once I unsubscribe an account, I can't undo it. If you need a second email feed, resubscribe that account and I'll set it to no posting. You didn't take me up on it, so I can only assume it really isn't an issue for you. But, again, if you need to have your L.Shaddai Gmail account subscribed, log into it and send an email to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com I will approve the subscription and set it to no posting. I approved it this morning. ** ** But I've received no posts sent to the reactivated account despite having my membership set to individual emails/traditional.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Long posts count as two?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: Your subscription request happened to arrive when I was not sitting at my desk. I would have approved it had Rick not beat me to it. As for the account not receiving any emails, that's an issue with Yahoo. That account shows as being subscribed, receiving individual emails, in traditional message format. I had set the account to no post, but if by some rare chance that's causing you to not receive mails, I changed it to moderated. Yea, but now you're not referring to him as Mr Pall.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Breaking Bad Along The Spiritual Path
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 08/06/2011 10:11 AM, turquoiseb wrote: It has been really nice to see visuals of New Mexico again, though. I got a kick out the episode two weeks ago because Walt has a meeting at the Denny's across the street from the Dr. Lad's Ayurvedic clinic. I went there the first night I was at a Hart DeFouw class at his clinic. I was not expecting smoking in the place but New Mexico had not caught up with California. And then I was not expecting the taxis situation waiting over an hour for a cab. There were two cab companies in Albuquerque both owned by the same guy. There was little incentive for cabs to get there on time. New Mexico has, on the whole, even less of a work ethic than Spain. Although a very beautiful place if you like the desert, it's the second poorest state in the nation. People can make more money on welfare than by working. Over decades, this has a rather debilitating effect. I almost missed my flight out on Sunday but fortunately it had been delayed. Fortunately the rest of the weekend a former TM teacher who worked at the clinic ferried me back and forth from my motel. I made a note to rent a car the next time. A good plan. One of the mini-scandals (brushed under the rug, of course, as would tend to happen in a state in which 40% of the jobs involve working for the Federal government) was the disclosure by an Albuquerque newspaper that a year after 9/11, security personnel in the ABQ airport were being paid less than employees down the street at McDonalds. This at an airport that borders a US Air Force base at which, stored in underground bunkers there, resides one-fourth of America's nuclear arsenal. Hijack a plane just after takeoff and crash it into those bunkers. Duh. And yet they didn't think it was worth hiring professionals, or paying them like professionals. Of course I can't compare The Shadow Line yet but Breaking Bad is heads and shoulders above the tripe that passes for US TV series. The pacing is fine but if one is into blatant exposition as found in many lame US series maybe they won't enjoy it. I think that BB has brilliant writing, directing and acting. So do the majority of people on the HT forums I hang out on. What can I say? I have different standards. Don't get me wrong, because I *like* Breaking Bad. It's just that it wouldn't make my Top Ten. My dessert series is In Plain Sight which is on USA and also shot in Albuquerque. NM threw a bunch of bucks at the film industry to attract film and television projects. It's one of those things you do when you're the second poorest state in the union. It shows that you don't have to be hokey either to produce a formula series. The other day a professional in the production field on one forum agreed with me on that assessment and he is really tough on series. Haven't seen it, can't comment. I'm trying to actually go on a TV series diet lately, and am only catching up on BB because my brother told me about the character arc thang, and I'm interested in that lately. Thank you in retrospect for trying to turn me on to it earlier. That is belatedly appreciated.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Long posts count as two?
Okay, I'll just give you the start, and you can fill in the rest. A Priest and a Rabbi, and a Baptist Minister were. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 10:33 PM, seventhray1 steve.sundur@...wrote: Tommy Pall don't need no stinkin joke. That's Swami Tommy. And indeed I don't need no stinkin joke. A good one now and then are appreciated. If anyone can help me find it, I'm looking for the writeup about how God has a sense of humor (no, not just because he created Alex or because there are WalMart customers). This piece goes on to say that God not only loves those who take a joke but leave one as well. Looked and looked, it seems to have fallen off the face of the earth.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eight Satyrs admiring the anamorphosis of an elephant
I want to hear more about Satan. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote: Simon Vouet, 1625 http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/1/6697.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Long posts count as two?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: Okay, I'll just give you the start, and you can fill in the rest. A Priest and a Rabbi, and a Baptist Minister were. ...having a threesome, and discovered that none of them had brought the K-Y. Which one had to go out to the store to get some? It's more of a koan than a joke. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Magic Kingdom
Thanks Yifu. I think you had forgotten to post this particular one last week. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote: http://www.fantasygallery.net/fishel/art_3_magic-kingdom.html
[FairfieldLife] Transcendental Stress Management® Program
Another break away group. LINK: http://www.tsmo.org/ We are both grateful to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi for training us as teachers of the Transcendental Meditation program. We are, however, not associated with the national TM organization. We teach the Transcendental Stress Management program under our own organization, the TSMO LLC, founded in 2006. Origin of the TSM program The tradition of Vedic Masters from which the TSM program comes is an authentic one. One of the most brilliant spiritual lights from this Vedic tradition was Guru Dev, Swami Brahmananda Saraswati (1870-1953), Maharishi's Master. You can read more about Guru Dev's life here.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Centered In One's I-Am-RIGHTness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Doubt has a use by date, truth is beyond belief. A Raviism!, A Raviism!. And you can't fool me. I know you got this off a Kraft Macaroni and Cheese box, and modified it slightly. So it is useful to just adopt a set of belief rather than spend the entire lifetime in doubt for the fear and discomfort with adopting a set of belief, spending the lifetime changing beliefs to standout and make fun of others who do adopt beliefs. Sooner or later the people who were centered in I-Am-RIGHTness will move beyond belief but one refusing to adopt beliefs will be forever stuck in I-Am-Simply-Not-In-The-Position-Of-Being-Able-To-Assume-My-Own-RIGHTnes\ \ s. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: On another forum, I am watching a bunch of folks who have never really entertained any serious doubts about their teacher, his enlightenment, and his important role in the cosmic significance of the universe encounter former students of the same teacher who have entertained all of these doubts. This can be an unsettling experience. I can almost hear some of them thinking, because I've seen similar thoughts put into words on so many forums where this same meeting of minds has taken place: How can these guys possibly doubt what is so obviously Truth to me? What is WRONG with them to be able to do that? So what I'm wondering in this cafe today is where these thoughts *came from*. Were the people in question born with them, or did they learn to think that way? If the latter, did they learn this way of thinking directly from the teacher they have never been able to even *imagine* having doubts about? And if so, was that because of anything the teacher ever *said* directly, or just in the way he carried himself? I think that a lot of this 'tude is conveyed wordlessly, in the way in which a spiritual teacher carries himself. I think that this mindset of complete certainty on the part of the students comes from the teacher; *he* is completely certain. He believes his own stories not only to be true, but Truth. There is a powerful charisma in being that certain about one's own stories. Other people can feel your own certainty and, living as they do in a world of uncertainty, they are attracted to the teacher's certainty and wonder how they could get some of it for themselves. The teacher seems to never exhibit any doubts or disbelief in his own stories. He is in a very real sense centered in his own I-am-RIGHTness. Such teachers often can't even *conceive of* being wrong; if they had the idea or performed the action, it was right. The thing is, is it? It's all well and good to commend someone's belief in their own essential RIGHTness 24/7, but what if they're...uh...uh...WRONG? What if they're not really as fully enlightened as they think they are? What if they were...uh...mistaken about that? What if they were equally mistaken about the things they taught being the highest path? What if they did a few things while pursuing that path that negatively impacted the lives of others? At this point, is the good student's tenacious lack of doubt in everything that the teacher said or did being right...uh...right? Or is it merely a reflection of the stories that the teacher told about himself, stories that might -- if the above paragraph were true -- be based in untruth, and possibly self delusion? I see a value in doubt. My definition of doubt (at least in this particular cafe, at this particular moment) is the process of Stepping Away From The Certainty. I like to (nay, get off on) trying to suss out the underlying unchallenged assumptions that I take for granted when believing the things that I believe, and then challenging them. It's almost like a home-grown Byron Katie thang; I ask myself, Self, what if this assumption I've been making is not true? What would *my* story, based on the belief this assumption is true, look like if it weren't? I guess I'm more centered in the I-Am-Simply-Not-In-The-Position-Of-Being-Able-To-Assume-My-Own-RIGHTness mindset. Such a mindset doth not seem to have the same charisma factor as its opposite, the sense of I-Am-RIGHTness. No one is ever likely to glom onto me and follow me as any kind of spiritual teacher, because I don't offer them anything to be certain about. And that leads me to the subject of my next cafe rap...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Teacher Syndrome
Rav, I hope you don't take offense at this, and I know this is real life serious stuff, but I think this could have the makings of a good Indian Soap Opera, or maybe a Reality Show. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: There will be always a cult of followers who would take the words of a teacher literally, but why should it cause us to completely negate the concept of a teacher and the importance of a belief. I was married to a cult follower. It was because of her that I was introduced to spirituality and my teacher, she took everything literally, used spirituality, astrology to paint me as low vibe slimeball materialist. Anyone else would have formed strong opinions against spirituality, teachers - however my teacher's love unknowingly bound me. Her attacks initially caused me to aggressively defend myself, cause a lot of pain and self-doubt. In spite of her I-Am-Rightedness I was intelligent and intuitive enough to not discard spirituality. With my own samskaras and the guru's grace I took greater interest and found the real value of spirituality, that was beyond any belief, in me. So this I-Am-Rightedness person, who caused me pain, torment was my real Guru, her aggressive behavior was a blessing in disguise, since it caused me to protect myself, my samskaras, my innate strengths. It led me on a path of incredible journey to find the real value of spirituality. From a spiritual perspective any person who causes us grief, pain, discomfort is indeed the real Guru. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: What is there about the I-Am-RIGHT mindset that seems to -- historically -- go hand in hand with developing a cult of followers? It's as if the only clear career path presented by the traditional spiritual path is to 1) listen to your teachers, 2) believe everything they say and do exactly what they say, 3) get all enlightened yourself by following their advice, and then 4) set up shop for yourself and re-run the same movie, but with you playing the role of the teacher this time. If the seeming certainty of the I-Am-RIGHT mindset is so certain, why do those who wear that mindset often seem so anxious to get other people to mirror it back to them by gazing at them with reverence and adulation and saying, Dude-ji, you are SO RIGHT? I mean, not meaning to be disrespectful or anything, but haven't you ever noticed that many spiritual teachers tend to be a little...uh...needy? If they're so enlightened and all, why do they need all these followers hanging around them saying or thinking 24/7 You are SO RIGHT? And have you ever noticed a tendency in these same teachers to...uh...not react gracefully when one of the students says, Now wait a minute...there is a point here I am not convinced you are RIGHT about. Can we talk about that a bit? My feeling is that the big problem with the four-step spiritual career path I delineate above is in step #2. There is no need to believe everything your spiritual teacher says is true or to do everything he says to benefit from studying with him. I doubt you did that with your high-school teachers or college professors; why do it with your spiritual teachers? Furthermore, I would suggest that being brought up in a spiritual environment in which #2 is assumed to be true tends to set up new generations of seekers to expect that *for themselves* when they get all enlightened. Other people, they come to believe, should just be able to see the I-Am-RIGHTness radiating off of them -- as they did with their teacher -- and automatically believe everything they say and do exactly what they're told to do. I'm thinkin' that my spiritual career path is fucked up, because it perpetuates the myth of the mindset of I-Am-RIGHTness always being right. I am not convinced that it is always right. I think, in fact, that we can safely dump not only step #2 but step #4. There are much more interesting things in life one can do post-realization than go off and become Yet Another Spiritual Teacher.
[FairfieldLife] Dolly Parton, Emmylou Harris Linda Ronstadt - After the Goldrush
On Letterman - A wonderful song by Emmylou Harris, Dolly Parton and Linda Ronstadt, beautiful version. After the Goldrush - written by Neil Young http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iifrf35cEv8
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Website - Interesting content
Main points please. Anything new? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Edward eptfnj@... wrote: http://www.zivotbezstresa.com/index.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Who says the Blues aren't spiritual?
nice! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: This one is for Curtis, although I am sure he already knows that the Blues are spiritual indeed. They deal with flushing the impurities from our systems that cause us pain and keep us from feelin' alright. The vocals are tremendous, as one of the greats of the popular blues scene grunts and groans out the pain down inside that won't be denied, and that keeps him from bein' satisfied. The song is clearly about the self (small s) and how letting it go is so important to one's spiritual well-being. The sense of the bluesman's relief at the final splash as it departs and his final cry of I feel alright! is one of the most poignant spiritual transformations I've ever heard in music. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ic3g8Xnf7LI
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dolly Parton, Emmylou Harris Linda Ronstadt - After the Goldrush
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@... wrote: On Letterman - A wonderful song by Emmylou Harris, Dolly Parton and Linda Ronstadt, beautiful version. After the Goldrush - written by Neil Young http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iifrf35cEv8 I love this song, and their version of it, but only knew it before from the album the three of them did together. I got the feeling from listening to it that these three women really loved each other, and felt as if they had discovered in each other kindred souls, and more important, kindred voices.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Stress Management® Program
MMY used the catch all phrase *stress* to describe general stress and what Yoga calls the kleshas and doshas which are obstructions in the Chakras (lower) that disable the prana (or serpent fire) from moving UP the spine bestowing states of Higher Consciousness. These kleshas and doshas are variously called; lust, anger, greed, ego, attachment, and so on, this is why Patanjali recommended practicing the *virtues* such as Yama and NiYama to supplement your meditation practice. Most Religions also recommend practicing virtue and avoiding vice for the same reason but most of them have mostly forgotten 'why' they recommend practicing the 10 commandments... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Edward eptfnj@... wrote: Another break away group. LINK: http://www.tsmo.org/ We are both grateful to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi for training us as teachers of the Transcendental Meditation program. We are, however, not associated with the national TM organization. We teach the Transcendental Stress Management program under our own organization, the TSMO LLC, founded in 2006. Origin of the TSM program The tradition of Vedic Masters from which the TSM program comes is an authentic one. One of the most brilliant spiritual lights from this Vedic tradition was Guru Dev, Swami Brahmananda Saraswati (1870-1953), Maharishi's Master. You can read more about Guru Dev's life here.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Eight Satyrs admiring the anamorphosis of an elephant
A History of the Devil by Gerald Messadié http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=ntt_athr_dp_sr_1?_encoding=UTF8sort=releva\ nceranksearch-alias=booksfield-author=Gerald%20Messadi%C3%A9 , 1996 Satan: A Biography by Henry Ansgar Kelly, 2006 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: I want to hear more about Satan.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: P.S.: I have to say I find it *astonishing* that anyone would wonder why it's important to expose liars and refute lies, especially on a supposedly spiritually oriented newsgroup. If spirituality is about anything, it's about being and living as authentically as possible, IMHO. I do not think it is good that lying exists, but liars in particular probably do not want their lies exposed, so there is a rather large group of people (all of us?) who would rather have a slightly more relaxed attitude toward this. Spiritual movements are a great source of misunderstandings and corruption and lies, just like just about every other field of endeavour, although politics would be a good place to find the maximum number of lies per sentence, and it does not matter which party either. It is also beneficial to distinguish false belief from deliberate lying, often a very difficult task indeed. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: snip.. If we consider a lie a bad thought, or an improper way to present information (since a lie is false information), we might remember that Maharishi said (something like this anyway - do not trust my memory that much), a bad thought is rotten to the core. If we postulate that everything is absolute being, exists because of that, then all lies come from the pure field of creative intelligence. And until enlightenment, our lives are a lie, a mistake perpetuated by our own mind in its inability to see what it itself has wrought. I find this unhelpful and bordering on meaningless. It means that all the good and bad in life, the truths and the lies come from the same place, and therefore they are ultimately the same value. We may not know what that should be called, but the spiritual value of life has all these properties, if we decide to generate concepts for them. If we do not, then stuff just happens, and everything is fine, even if it leads us to death.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Adieu
Thank you, Robin. I did do all I could to become him and, for nearly all the time I was with him, I would put all the focus of my being I could gather on him. There must have been some reason for this, besides the results of our interactions. For those of us who believe in reincarnation, as I must, perhaps it will bear fruit in my lives to come. (Because of what we were taught, I used to think this would be my last life, but now...) This has inspired me to post the photos I have of me with him. I would not have done so prior to this email. Who knows, I can't imagine, but perhaps FFL will become an archive someone utilizes someday. So, dear Robin, we will continue to be connected because of all this. I wish you well in all things. Would you consider just answering these two questions for me? I won't be going back to read what was posted prior to my advent to find these answers. 1. At it's peak, of how many human souls did the RC Cult consist? and 2. If you did carpet bomb MIU with pamphlets, what, in a nutshell please, did it say? And, to this: I believe divine providence could only do this because of how you are made and what you have suffered because of how you are made. I, again, would say, yes, thank you for seeing me and if you only knew. God bless you, m On Aug 6, 2011, at 11:54 AM, maskedzebra wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau m@... wrote: Hi all, I guess I'll be signing off for now. Heartfelt thanks to all of you to whom thanks are due, you know who you are, and especially those who showed me generosity. A special thanks, again, to those who gave me résumé and job advice, I never thanked you individually. I may return, but feel the need to narrow down my vision to what may be my highest way forward now and, perhaps, too, that this forum may not be my forum anymore, though it certainly was till now, more so than most others I've engaged in recently (this being the only Internet forum I've ever joined, the others being movements of one stripe or another). I probably won't pull the plug for a few days, but, by Sunday or Monday, probably will. Love and blessings to all of you and all that is, m Hi all, I guess I'll be signing off for now. Heartfelt thanks to all of you to whom thanks are due, you know who you are, and especially those who showed me generosity. A special thanks, again, to those who gave me résumé and job advice, I never thanked you individually. I may return, but feel the need to narrow down my vision to what may be my highest way forward now and, perhaps, too, that this forum may not be my forum anymore, though it certainly was till now, more so than most others I've engaged in recently (this being the only Internet forum I've ever joined, the others being movements of one stripe or another). I probably won't pull the plug for a few days, but, by Sunday or Monday, probably will. Love and blessings to all of you and all that is, Dear Mark, I want to reiterate something I have already said to you, even as it will be misunderstood—or challenged—by many posters and readers on FFL. I have evidence, for me in a completely objective place within my personal consciousness (can I say that? Well, I have, so I guess I can), that you possess—this is as much unconscious as it is conscious—the most accurate and definitive 'take' on Maharishi Mahesh Yogi of anyone I have known. And I almost knew this immediately after watching David Wants To Fly. What you said to David Sieveking. So, no matter what difficulties are posed by your constitutional vulnerability (something you have no say in, I believe), you possess, inside your soul, an apprehension of Maharishi which, eventually, caused a very important level of liberation in me. Namely: the ability to finally know Maharishi as a human being disjoined from his status and aura as spiritual Teacher, Master. Yes, Mark, I have told you this before, but after reading one of your posts, the truth about who Maharishi is—as seen under the aspect of eternity—formed itself inside my consciousness—without any participation or involvement of my subjective self. It was not there. Then suddenly it was there. [Aside to the blues man: this is my operational definition of innocence—in the highest sense.] And this has made all the difference to me. Even, as I found out in reading Bob Price's most recent post to me, that there's more there to understand. Nevertheless, as I told you at the time, I crossed a critical threshold of understanding—which I would never have crossed had it not been for the human being Mark Landau. Now you and I know of secrets about Maharishi that no one else knows. But about that we must remain silent. Or at least, I must. No, *the only person I trust* (or find myself trusting) all the way when it comes to knowing Maharishi
Re: [FairfieldLife] Breaking Bad Along The Spiritual Path
Thanks for another great post. I know you like David Milch's work. Between his addictions, recovery and art I think we could add him to a list with your definition of one who breaks bad. Have you read this old article about him in the New Yorker? http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2005/02/14/050214fa_fact_singer My top 5 US TV series would be: 1. The Wire 2, Deadwood 3. John from Cincinnati 4. Mad Men 5. Breaking Bad British shows are a whole other list for me. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 5:13:35 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Breaking Bad Along The Spiritual Path I've always had a fondness for outlaws. That's why it's a tad difficult for me to explain how I missed Breaking Bad when it first appeared on the TV scene. Perhaps it's that the comments I remember from people telling me to watch it left out the catalyst that inspires Walter White to shift from being a nebbishy high-school chemistry teacher to being a manfacturer of the world's highest-quality crystal meth. When I finally heard what that catalyst was, my ears perked up and I am now in the process of catching up on what I missed. I'm a few episodes into season 3. Walt's a trip, and definitely has some good character arc on him so far. To be honest, I'm still waiting for the ultimate breaking bad moment to appear, but I'll rap about that a little further down. Instead, in the moment on this particular lakeside park bench, I'm more interested in tripping on the notion of breaking bad itself -- which I define as breaking away from the herd, saying Fuck it to the rules, and making a conscious decision to follow no one's path but one's own. I've made that decision many times in my life. The very fact that I had to make it many times should attest to the fact that making such a decision is not necessarily permanent. :-) One of the first times I broke bad was related to LSD. No, I neither made it nor sold it -- ever -- but I did partake of its inner journeys many times. During one of those journeys I realized that the view of the world and how it works I was being presented on LSD was to some extent antithetical to the view of the world and how it works I'd been taught all my life. And, since LSD was about to become illegal, it was also antithetical to following the rules. So I had to decide whether to favor my intuition that there was something of value to be found in these inner visions, or favor the Don't go there...you'll poke your I out propaganda being served up to me by the so-called real world. I decided to break bad, and go for the inner experience. I've broken bad many times since, and decided to do something that defies logic and defies the advice of my betters, and in retrospect it was always a correct decision for me to do so. I decided to become a TM teacher rather than focus on what my betters told me was a better opportunity in the world of business or academia, and I've never regretted it. I've similarly never regretted walking away from the TMO when it no longer fulfilled the needs of the natural tendency of my mind. I broke bad many times while studying with Rama, and even bigger when I walked away from that study. Possibly the biggest breaking bad moment for me was deciding to move to Paris, having only enough money to live there for a few months. It made no sense at all, but it worked out. Breaking bad sometimes has a tendency to do that. But then again I never decided to break bad as BAD as Walter White does. My breaking bad moments were mere baby steps compared to his giant steps, and legal. Mainly. And when I broke bad I tried to be honest with myself about what I was choosing to become by breaking bad. Walt -- so far in the series -- doesn't have that kind of self-honesty. I mean, the dude has broken bad so BAD that he now makes his living by cooking one of the most debilitating drugs in history, and he never thinks about that the damage that his product does on the street. He has been responsible or partially responsible for the deaths of (by my count) 172 people, and he still tells his lawyer -- and himself -- that he's not a Bad Guy. I decided to watch this series because someone finally clued me in to its magic in terms of character arc. I now agree with their assessment, but I'm still waiting for the defining -- for me -- moment of character arc to take place, the moment in which Walter can embrace his Inner Bad Guy. That's gonna be one helluva television episode.
[FairfieldLife] M Mark Landau Photos [1 Attachment]
Upper left--On our Greek cruise, watching thousands of butterflies fly upward off the trees, the most casual time I experienced with him, the only time I was with him he took a vacation Upper right--On the 108 course in Lake Tahoe, prior to my becoming skin boy Lower photos--The same Greek cruise
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rowing to Doha-Scene 12-(was conflict in fiction)
Obbajeeba, There is nothing more important than a viewer (co writer) but frankly I was thinking if boring people is the cardinal sin my efforts with Rowing were starting to give my heart the appearance of hematite. So scene 12 was the season finale although the network my insist on a second season. Your eyeballs are always appreciated. From: obbajeeba no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 6:23:14 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rowing to Doha-Scene 12-(was conflict in fiction) Hey! Continue this thread Mr. Priced! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: The cat, is its name, Cat Stevens or Yusuf Islam? Does the cat take its shoes off inside? Puss in boots, or was that the Brunette? Do Rajas have cats? Water and a board and we'll get some answers. Are they using TM for PTSD for soldiers, to keep them from suicide? Better ask bobby rothschild. Does the Zebra wear shoes or boots? Blind baby, you've gots to think of continuity!!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote: Our travellers walk through the Al Jazeera studio. On the television monitors we see images of the violence in Syria. AL JAZEERA PRESENTER It appears nothing will turn back the Arab spring of democracy. Shankar, NN, Wally, Terry, the Zebra, Navy Seal T. Paul and the man in the grey suit enter a large conference room. Agent Costa and Hairwell are already there handcuffed to Dick Bowman and the Brunette. AGENT HAIRWELL I don't know how we got here but let me get this piss ant in a room with some water and a board and I'll get some answers. AGENT COSTA Chris you really need to chill. The brunette leans over and grabs Hairwell by the b**ls. His scream splits the air as his highness Sheik Hamad bin Khalifa Al-Thani, ruler of Qatar and majority shareholder of Al Jazeera walks into the room with a large retinue. The room goes quiet. WALLY Your holiness! The ruler looks at his assistants as if to say 'who is this'. NN Its Highness idiot. SHEIK AL-THANI I understand you're here to discuss the acquisition of News Corp? SHANKAR And turning American into a monarchy. The Sheik laughs. SHEIK AL-THANI Why don't we start with News Corp. since they and a couple of other media companies run America anyway. SHANKAR We have the password! SHEIK AL-THANI What password? SHANKAR Cash TERRY and Everyone looks at NN. NN No way, I will not say it out loud. SHEIK AL-THANI I'm not sure about passwords but I never invest without management I can believe in. THE BRUNETTE Sheik Hamad. The brunette gives the ruler her biggest brightest smile. SHEIK AL-THANI (returning the smile) Yes, Habibti. BRUNETTE Dick Bowman could run News Corp. SHEIK AL-THANI (to Dick) Could you Mr. Bowman? Dick starts to speak but... NN (screams) CARRY but it comes out in a woman's voice. END DICK BOWMANS DAY DREAM SEQUENCE BRUNETTE  (yelling) Dick wake up, I can't CARRY the interview by myself. Dick wakes from his day dream. He is much older, in his late 80's, his beard and hair grey are sparse. In front of him, on his very cool looking computer, is a split SKYPE screen with himself and a Mediterranean looking brunette. DICK BOWMAN Sorry, I drifted off. I'd like to welcome Maya Price, my 24,684 guest to ZomGas. Maya tell us a little about your awakening. MAYA PRICE Not a lot to tell really, I woke up one morning and I knew I would nail him at Walmart We see Dick reach behind himself to let the cat out the door. He opens the door to see Agent Costa and Hairwell about to knock. نهاية
[FairfieldLife] A Honed and Heavy Ax
Quote from A Honed and Heavy Ax The Buddha said it is impossible to have liberating insight as long as one or more of the five hindrances are infecting the mind (AN 5.51). These mental obstacles are grouped as 1) sensual desire, an attraction to and preoccupation with the world of the five senses, 2) anger, aversion, frustration, disappointment, 3) dullness or drowsiness, 4) restlessness, remorse, anxiety, guilt and 5) doubt. If any of these or related states are present, the heart will be agitated and confused. The five hindrances make the mind rigid, weak and unworkable. Ignorance feeds on the five hindrances. They are the cause and condition for deluded understanding, and without the inner stillness and silence of samatha (dhyana-samadhi) it is almost certain that the mind is still being haunted by their influence (MN 68.6). .
[FairfieldLife] M Mark Landau Photos 2 [1 Attachment]
Top--In Spain, taken by an airport photo hawker, I was skin boy, but whenever Jerry would come for short stints, he would grab the skin whenever he could. I always just acquiesced. Bottom--Germany, Hamburg, I believe
[FairfieldLife] Devendra
Bob, Would you post the story of Devendra, as you know it, or, if you already have, point me to the post? I always especially liked Billy, too. Thanks, m
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: P.S.: I have to say I find it *astonishing* that anyone would wonder why it's important to expose liars and refute lies, especially on a supposedly spiritually oriented newsgroup. If spirituality is about anything, it's about being and living as authentically as possible, IMHO. I do not think it is good that lying exists, but liars in particular probably do not want their lies exposed, so there is a rather large group of people (all of us?) who would rather have a slightly more relaxed attitude toward this. Mmm, relaxed how? How relaxed? Where are you drawing your lines? Spiritual movements are a great source of misunderstandings and corruption and lies, just like just about every other field of endeavour, although politics would be a good place to find the maximum number of lies per sentence, and it does not matter which party either. People from both parties lie, certainly. But is there a difference in number of lies between the parties? Do bigger lies emanate from one side vs. the other? Is there a difference in the amount of damage the lies of one side do vs. those of the other side? As a nation, we have become much too complacent about lying. Globally, unwillingness to hold liars publicly accountable is responsible, IMHO, for most of the misery in the world. Here, lying will almost certainly be responsible for a double-dip recession as lies about the relative importance to our economic well-being of reducing the deficit immediately vs. spending to create jobs have resulted in a disastrous deal as one party held the debt ceiling hostage. It is also beneficial to distinguish false belief from deliberate lying, often a very difficult task indeed. Yes, often difficult. Also often very easy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: snip.. If we consider a lie a bad thought, or an improper way to present information (since a lie is false information), we might remember that Maharishi said (something like this anyway - do not trust my memory that much), a bad thought is rotten to the core. If we postulate that everything is absolute being, exists because of that, then all lies come from the pure field of creative intelligence. And until enlightenment, our lives are a lie, a mistake perpetuated by our own mind in its inability to see what it itself has wrought. I find this unhelpful and bordering on meaningless. It means that all the good and bad in life, the truths and the lies come from the same place, and therefore they are ultimately the same value. We may not know what that should be called, but the spiritual value of life has all these properties, if we decide to generate concepts for them. If we do not, then stuff just happens, and everything is fine, even if it leads us to death. Yes, I understood this. I meant meaningless in the sense of practical application. Maharishi was asked why, if everything was perfect just as it is, TMers were working so hard to change things. MMY replied, That too is perfect just as it is.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness
Regarding post #180875, the opening quote from John Knapp is undated, but says he had been writing for 13 years, and the post you mentioned was, if I interpret this correctly, written about end of the first year of those 13 years. There might be a point to this if John experienced absolutely no change in experience in the subsequent 12 years, but he seems to have continued meditating. Most people, including me, can't remember much of what they did yesterday, let alone 12 years before. And as one gets older, we remember even less. Every politician we have know ought be thrown into the flames were this kind of analysis frequent. John Knapp quit the TM movement, and perhaps (this is just speculation, understand) he was more upset and frustrated in those first years. He moved on, he became a counselor, and through all this he does not seem to have become dead set against meditation, he still seems to have a positive attitude toward it, but realises there are dangers for some, and these dangers are seldom talked about. I have known people who switch from Democrat to Republican over rather trivial matters. If John had said TMO was acting like a cult a couple of days after that comment, there would be an argument. I found John's arguments, the ones I have seen, reasonable for the most part. If you check off characteristics of a cult, TMO comes out at about 90%-95% positive on this scale. It acts like a cult. Some call it a stealth cult, because it is not quite so obviously blatant as some others. A religion is a cult that has managed to become the status quo. A more practical way to deal with mis-statements, wrong information, and outright lies is to defocus a bit so you do not get lost in petty details, and look for major problems. I mentioned once the site (for politics) factcheck.org, where political statements are subjected to fact checking (an interesting summary of the US debt debacle at http://factcheck.org/2011/07/debt-limit-debate-round-up/). Ideally one is neutral when doing this, and to do this there are three questions that must be answered aside from discovering the facts. Is my opponent in this argument wrong? Am I wrong? Are we both wrong? You might enjoy the movie The Invention of Lying (2009) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote:...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Devendra
Mark, I met Devendra in Majorca, a lovely man.. I lost track of him till I read a hard copy of Joyce Collin-Smith book: Call No Man Master (worth the read). Have you read it? If not, I could share what she reported about Devendra at the end of his involvement with the movement. I'm not sure if there is something in the archives about Devendra (I'm a newbie as well), maybe Judy or someone else knows? I think Robin would like to hear also if he hasn't read the book? http://books.google.com/books?id=nc7ww0cuue4Cprintsec=frontcoversource=gbs_ge_summary_rcad=0#v=onepageqf=false Unfortunately, the bit I think you want is on page 174 which is not included in the google book but I think I could describe it without causing copyright problems? From: Mark Landau m...@sky5.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 2:44:09 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Devendra Bob, Would you post the story of Devendra, as you know it, or, if you already have, point me to the post? I always especially liked Billy, too. Thanks, m
Re: [FairfieldLife] Devendra
I would think you could, please do so if you will. (No, I haven't read it.) He did come a few times while I was with M and did seem to be another particularly lovely man. Thanks, m On Aug 6, 2011, at 4:21 PM, Bob Price wrote: Mark, I met Devendra in Majorca, a lovely man.. I lost track of him till I read a hard copy of Joyce Collin-Smith book: Call No Man Master (worth the read). Have you read it? If not, I could share what she reported about Devendra at the end of his involvement with the movement. I'm not sure if there is something in the archives about Devendra (I'm a newbie as well), maybe Judy or someone else knows? I think Robin would like to hear also if he hasn't read the book? http://books.google.com/books?id=nc7ww0cuue4Cprintsec=frontcoversource=gbs_ge_summary_rcad=0#v=onepageqf=false Unfortunately, the bit I think you want is on page 174 which is not included in the google book but I think I could describe it without causing copyright problems? From: Mark Landau m...@sky5.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 2:44:09 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Devendra Bob, Would you post the story of Devendra, as you know it, or, if you already have, point me to the post? I always especially liked Billy, too. Thanks, m
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Teacher Syndrome
LOL..it would be fun watching that loser. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: Rav, I hope you don't take offense at this, and I know this is real life serious stuff, but I think this could have the makings of a good Indian Soap Opera, or maybe a Reality Show. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: There will be always a cult of followers who would take the words of a teacher literally, but why should it cause us to completely negate the concept of a teacher and the importance of a belief. I was married to a cult follower. It was because of her that I was introduced to spirituality and my teacher, she took everything literally, used spirituality, astrology to paint me as low vibe slimeball materialist. Anyone else would have formed strong opinions against spirituality, teachers - however my teacher's love unknowingly bound me. Her attacks initially caused me to aggressively defend myself, cause a lot of pain and self-doubt. In spite of her I-Am-Rightedness I was intelligent and intuitive enough to not discard spirituality. With my own samskaras and the guru's grace I took greater interest and found the real value of spirituality, that was beyond any belief, in me. So this I-Am-Rightedness person, who caused me pain, torment was my real Guru, her aggressive behavior was a blessing in disguise, since it caused me to protect myself, my samskaras, my innate strengths. It led me on a path of incredible journey to find the real value of spirituality. From a spiritual perspective any person who causes us grief, pain, discomfort is indeed the real Guru. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: What is there about the I-Am-RIGHT mindset that seems to -- historically -- go hand in hand with developing a cult of followers? It's as if the only clear career path presented by the traditional spiritual path is to 1) listen to your teachers, 2) believe everything they say and do exactly what they say, 3) get all enlightened yourself by following their advice, and then 4) set up shop for yourself and re-run the same movie, but with you playing the role of the teacher this time. If the seeming certainty of the I-Am-RIGHT mindset is so certain, why do those who wear that mindset often seem so anxious to get other people to mirror it back to them by gazing at them with reverence and adulation and saying, Dude-ji, you are SO RIGHT? I mean, not meaning to be disrespectful or anything, but haven't you ever noticed that many spiritual teachers tend to be a little...uh...needy? If they're so enlightened and all, why do they need all these followers hanging around them saying or thinking 24/7 You are SO RIGHT? And have you ever noticed a tendency in these same teachers to...uh...not react gracefully when one of the students says, Now wait a minute...there is a point here I am not convinced you are RIGHT about. Can we talk about that a bit? My feeling is that the big problem with the four-step spiritual career path I delineate above is in step #2. There is no need to believe everything your spiritual teacher says is true or to do everything he says to benefit from studying with him. I doubt you did that with your high-school teachers or college professors; why do it with your spiritual teachers? Furthermore, I would suggest that being brought up in a spiritual environment in which #2 is assumed to be true tends to set up new generations of seekers to expect that *for themselves* when they get all enlightened. Other people, they come to believe, should just be able to see the I-Am-RIGHTness radiating off of them -- as they did with their teacher -- and automatically believe everything they say and do exactly what they're told to do. I'm thinkin' that my spiritual career path is fucked up, because it perpetuates the myth of the mindset of I-Am-RIGHTness always being right. I am not convinced that it is always right. I think, in fact, that we can safely dump not only step #2 but step #4. There are much more interesting things in life one can do post-realization than go off and become Yet Another Spiritual Teacher.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Dolly Parton, Emmylou Harris Linda Ronstadt - After the Goldrush
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: On Letterman - A wonderful song by Emmylou Harris, Dolly Parton and Linda Ronstadt, beautiful version. After the Goldrush - written by Neil Young http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iifrf35cEv8 I love this song, and their version of it, but only knew it before from the album the three of them did together. I got the feeling from listening to it that these three women really loved each other, and felt as if they had discovered in each other kindred souls, and more important, kindred voices. It's one of those songs that has stayed with me personally, long after I heard it the first time performed by Neil Young. Yes, a magnificently beautiful song all around. Here's the original: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e3m_T-NMOs From After The Gold Rush (1970) - AFTER THE GOLD RUSH Well, I dreamed I saw the knights In armor coming, Saying something about a queen. There were peasants singing and Drummers drumming And the archer split the tree. There was a fanfare blowing To the sun That was floating on the breeze. Look at Mother Nature on the run In the nineteen seventies. Look at Mother Nature on the run In the nineteen seventies. I was lying in a burned out basement With the full moon in my eyes. I was hoping for replacement When the sun burst thru the sky. There was a band playing in my head And I felt like getting high. I was thinking about what a Friend had said I was hoping it was a lie. Thinking about what a Friend had said I was hoping it was a lie. Well, I dreamed I saw the silver Space ships flying In the yellow haze of the sun, There were children crying And colors flying All around the chosen ones. All in a dream, all in a dream The loading had begun. They were flying Mother Nature's Silver seed to a new home in the sun. Flying Mother Nature's Silver seed to a new home.
[FairfieldLife] Subtle perception
I seem to want to say something about this. For those who are skeptical, this will probably give you more fuel, but for those who experienced it, it was really something. The longer many of us were with M, especially doing the program and being celibate, the more refined and develop our perceptual abilities became. He used to talk about this a lot. It was like we could extract valid information from the energies and molecules on and around people and could see what was happening on the subtle, energy planes. The whole universe of things flying around on the energy levels became visible to us. It's certainly not easy to describe. To try to point to this, I'll relate a tiny, somewhat different story concerning Mother Olson. She sometimes, God bless her, gave me M's leftovers when he and I were in her home. (Thus taking in a master's energy is a very sublime way to do so.) She once said, with a chuckle, as we were walking silently along in the evening somewhere and she was perceiving my perception of the gravitas and size of her aura, Yes, I'm like a whale. I'm not sure why I'm putting this here, but if someone else who experienced this kind of thing would care to comment, I'd appreciate it, not so much for any kind of validation, which is totally unnecessary, but perhaps more for nostalgia or camaraderie.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bernie Sanders for President-to Mark
Hmm..who is this guy and what's his story - I'm all ears if you would like to share. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: I responded to you personally at your email btw.I'm feeling better todaymostly, my response to you was triggered by a guy who took himself out after years and years with Amma and having followed his posting story in my initial research on her, I was fairly horrified at the tragedy. Â He lost himself...literally...sorry I was projecting. I'm not selling the house yet. Â I have a teenager at home. Â Although I am also mad that I didn't follow my gut and sell stock to pay for my daughter's tuition last week before the collapse because I have to send the check Monday...two different experts told me to hold. Â I continually shoot myself in the foot (financially). Â I am surrendering to the concept that I will likely be poor sometime sooner rather than later and that I am fine with that. Â There are always optionsI could get a renter, I could start growing some of my food, I could join a bartering community, I could volunteer and meet others who can teach me how to be poor. Â OPTIONS I must start meditating in a more disciplined fashion...I can and do spin out. Â Yes, following FFL is time consuming but has been helpful for me in so many ways. Â However, posting on FFL doesn't pay the bills or do my schoolworkPeace Out. --- On Fri, 8/5/11, Mark Landau m...@sky5.com wrote: From: Mark Landau m...@sky5.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Bernie Sanders for President-to Mark To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 5:56 PM Â Thank you, Denise, for this and your previous, lovely email. Â I wanted to respond sooner, but was concerned about over-posting. Â I also had to go out.What a generous heart you must have!It's not my plan, at this time, to go. Â I've always loved death and was inspired to write what I did in the context of that discussion. Â Though, I must say, at 65, with things the way they are and feeling the way I do, going quietly into that good night does not seem all that horrendous to me.I do believe there is something in the works to keep me here and that it will manifest in due time. Â But I've done nothing much to manifest it myself. Â I've been spending most of my time w/ FFL, to, IME, good effect. Â But I'm beginning to feel the need to curtail this time-consuming endeavor and refocus on the mundane.I'm comfortable for the moment and should be alright till November, shortly after which there will have to be some drastic changes if things remain as they are.I do have a little guest room in my little rented duplex. Â You're totally welcome to stay for awhile, if I still have it when you're ready.Of course, I accepted tedadams' little donation and would always accept any help from anyone if anyone were so disposed. Â As I said, I'm not proud and have given a lot away in my time. Â My address and electronic payment web page were previously posted and if anyone were to really want to, I wouldn't be hard to find.So, again, my heartfelt thanks. Â If things get desperate you may again hear from me. Â May beings like you proliferate on the planet. Â Good luck with the sale of your home and your road trip.m On Aug 5, 2011, at 4:52 PM, Denise Evans wrote: Â Geezus Mark, don't send out any more death poemsnot all of us are TMers.what the F@ck does that all mean?whaddya need? Â Money? Â How much. Â I'm about to send out a check for 21,000 for half my daughters tuition and I'd be more than willing to send you some too. Â But, you'd better offer me a place to stay when I pull up in my trailer after I sell my house and take a road trip to see all the national parks I've missed out on over the years. --- On Fri, 8/5/11, Mark Landau m...@sky5.com wrote: From: Mark Landau m...@sky5.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Bernie Sanders for President To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 12:28 PM Â OK, I'll bite. Â I don't hold him in the same league as Jimi and M, but I worked my butt off for Kucinich's first campaign, initially gratis and then on the campaign's payroll, so I had some decent interaction with him. Â What's her name here, Chris Griscom, is his friend/teacher. Â I helped open the campaign in seven western states. Â I have a lot of respect for him, but I'd shudder to think what might have happened to the country if he were to run it like he did his first campaign. Â So, perhaps a few more steps to the plate and I'll walk, at least temporarily. Â I might as well gather my resources and try focusing on my survival... On Aug 5, 2011, at 12:48 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Â Or Allen Grayson. Dennis Kucinich would be great if he didnât look like a space alien. Even if he looked like a movie star, heâs probably too far ahead of the curve to get elected.
[FairfieldLife] Re: M Mark Landau Photos 2
Nice pictures, thanks for sharing. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau m@... wrote: Top--In Spain, taken by an airport photo hawker, I was skin boy, but whenever Jerry would come for short stints, he would grab the skin whenever he could. I always just acquiesced. Bottom--Germany, Hamburg, I believe
[FairfieldLife] Re: Subtle perception
I think I'll stay away from the celibate issue, because the subject matter is so bruising around here. I will say that it has been my experience that the proper use of sexual energy is an essential ingredient in accessing more refined experiences of conscioussness. This has been my direct experience. But, on slightly different subject, some of the most powerful, (yes, subjective) experiences I have had, have come about from meditating in a full lotus postition, sometimes with, sometimes without, sometimes without the hands on the knees in a mudra position. I have read that this posture has the effect of purifying the nerves. Now, I don't know exactly what that means, but I will say that my physiology felt transfomed when meditating in this position for long periods of time, (half hour increments). Then I would usually have to come out of that posture for a while. Now, it also just occurred to me, that sitting in this full lotus position could very well help in purifying the nerves of the body, but may not necessarily have an equivilent effect on the mind. Don't know. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau m@... wrote: I seem to want to say something about this. For those who are skeptical, this will probably give you more fuel, but for those who experienced it, it was really something. The longer many of us were with M, especially doing the program and being celibate, the more refined and develop our perceptual abilities became. He used to talk about this a lot. It was like we could extract valid information from the energies and molecules on and around people and could see what was happening on the subtle, energy planes. The whole universe of things flying around on the energy levels became visible to us. It's certainly not easy to describe. To try to point to this, I'll relate a tiny, somewhat different story concerning Mother Olson. She sometimes, God bless her, gave me M's leftovers when he and I were in her home. (Thus taking in a master's energy is a very sublime way to do so.) She once said, with a chuckle, as we were walking silently along in the evening somewhere and she was perceiving my perception of the gravitas and size of her aura, Yes, I'm like a whale. I'm not sure why I'm putting this here, but if someone else who experienced this kind of thing would care to comment, I'd appreciate it, not so much for any kind of validation, which is totally unnecessary, but perhaps more for nostalgia or camaraderie.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Subtle perception
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau m@... wrote: I seem to want to say something about this. For those who are skeptical, this will probably give you more fuel, but for those who experienced it, it was really something. The longer many of us were with M, especially doing the program and being celibate, the more refined and develop our perceptual abilities became. He used to talk about this a lot. It was like we could extract valid information from the energies and molecules on and around people and could see what was happening on the subtle, energy planes. The whole universe of things flying around on the energy levels became visible to us. It's certainly not easy to describe. To try to point to this, I'll relate a tiny, somewhat different story concerning Mother Olson. She sometimes, God bless her, gave me M's leftovers when he and I were in her home. (Thus taking in a master's energy is a very sublime way to do so.) She once said, with a chuckle, as we were walking silently along in the evening somewhere and she was perceiving my perception of the gravitas and size of her aura, Yes, I'm like a whale. I'm not sure why I'm putting this here, but if someone else who experienced this kind of thing would care to comment, I'd appreciate it, not so much for any kind of validation, which is totally unnecessary, but perhaps more for nostalgia or camaraderie. The last time I saw Helena Olson was in Mallorca, I was working on staff in the kitchen and she came in upset about something, (apparently the food) and threw a piece of toast (or bread) clear across the kitchen floor. I don't think she hit anybody, but I couldn't believe what I was seeing. I thought maybe she had snapped because she sure seemed different from the days I knew her in Los Angeles on Harvard, (I didn't stop to ask what the problem was and she just disappeared anyway). I guess she just felt like unloading
[FairfieldLife] Re: Subtle perception
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: I think I'll stay away from the celibate issue, because the subject matter is so bruising around here. I will say that it has been my experience that the proper use of sexual energy is an essential ingredient in accessing more refined experiences of conscioussness. This has been my direct experience. But, on slightly different subject, some of the most powerful, (yes, subjective) experiences I have had, have come about from meditating in a full lotus postition, sometimes with, sometimes without, sometimes without the hands on the knees in a mudra position. I have read that this posture has the effect of purifying the nerves. Now, I don't know exactly what that means, but I will say that my physiology felt transfomed when meditating in this position for long periods of time, (half hour increments). Then I would usually have to come out of that posture for a while. Now, it also just occurred to me, that sitting in this full lotus position could very well help in purifying the nerves of the body, but may not necessarily have an equivilent effect on the mind. Don't know. The purported purpose of the Lotus position, (Preferred by Guru Dev) is to keep the spine erect. If the spine is crimped, this hampers the flow of prana up the spine and leads to dullness. The prana is constantly flowing in the etheric/astral body, we just can't see it. The consciousness (jiva) is tied to the prana like a rider on a horse, once the horse (prana) reverses direction and goes UP the spine (awakening of the serpent fire) the consciousness goes with it bestowing higher states of consciousness, then, your long awaited dreams begin to come true, then truly you can sayJai Guru Dev. Maharishi on Kundalini below: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HHkXoH97r0feature=feedlik
[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Mindfulness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: Regarding post #180875, the opening quote from John Knapp is undated, Kapp's FFL post that I quoted was dated June 20, 2008, the day before my post. but says he had been writing for 13 years, He said he had been writing *about reforming TM* for 13 years. and the post you mentioned was, if I interpret this correctly, written about end of the first year of those 13 years. Correct, that's when the hysterical press releases I quoted were written and posted on about 10 Usenet newsgroups (although they were probably not sent to any media outlets). Given their content, I hardly think it would make sense to claim they were dedicated to reforming TM, since many if not most of the assertions in them were knowingly false. That was my point. There might be a point to this if John experienced absolutely no change in experience in the subsequent 12 years, but he seems to have continued meditating. So he claims. He says he does not practice TM, however. As I said, he's calmed down some since the mid-'90s, but from reading the material on his TM-Free blog (which he no longer runs as of maybe a year ago) and his counseling Web site and his newest Web site, it doesn't appear to me that he has lost any of his animosity toward MMY and the TMO. He's just learned how to keep it from being quite so obvious when he's trying to create a good impression. He has Google Alerts or something similar set up to let him know when any articles appear on the Web concerning TM so that he can leave a comment claiming that TM is a dangerous cult (and not incidentally referring interested parties to his counseling service). At least he was doing this a couple years ago. Most people, including me, can't remember much of what they did yesterday, let alone 12 years before. And as one gets older, we remember even less. Every politician we have know ought be thrown into the flames were this kind of analysis frequent. I'm not sure what your point is here. Knapp certainly remembers the press releases. They were a major effort on his part. John Knapp quit the TM movement, and perhaps (this is just speculation, understand) he was more upset and frustrated in those first years. I'm sure he was. He's been able to bring his anger under control, but as I say, I'm not at all sure his animosity has decreased any. He moved on, he became a counselor, and through all this he does not seem to have become dead set against meditation, he still seems to have a positive attitude toward it Meditation per se. He pays lip service to the notion that people have benefited from TM, but when you dig a little deeper the reality is a bit different. but realises there are dangers for some, and these dangers are seldom talked about. I have known people who switch from Democrat to Republican over rather trivial matters. If John had said TMO was acting like a cult a couple of days after that comment, there would be an argument. Not following you here. After which comment? An argument about what, from whom? I found John's arguments, the ones I have seen, reasonable for the most part. If you check off characteristics of a cult, TMO comes out at about 90%-95% positive on this scale. It acts like a cult. Some call it a stealth cult, because it is not quite so obviously blatant as some others. Those cult checklists can be misleading. Many of the characteristics they list can be found in groups that nobody would consider cults. The only *appropriate* items for such lists, IMHO, are characteristics that are found *only* in cults. With the TMO, that tends to reduce the positive percentage considerably. A religion is a cult that has managed to become the status quo. A more practical way to deal with mis-statements, wrong information, and outright lies is to defocus a bit so you do not get lost in petty details, and look for major problems. By all means, you should feel free to deal with misstatements, wrong information, and outright lies this way, and I'll feel free to continue to deal with them my way. I mentioned once the site (for politics) factcheck.org, where political statements are subjected to fact checking (an interesting summary of the US debt debacle at http://factcheck.org/2011/07/debt-limit-debate-round-up/). I took a quick look and found these astounding paragraphs: - Social Security and the Deficit Democratic Rep. Xavier Becerra of California said that he would fight to take [Social Security] off the table in budget negotiations, because it hasn't contributed 1 cent to the deficit that we face today, nor 1 cent to any of the national debt, the $14.3 trillion. We take no position on whether Social Security should be cut, but it's wrong to say it's not contributing to the deficit. Social Security benefits paid were more than payroll taxes in 2010, leading to a cash deficit of $49 billion. For 2011,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Devendra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: snip I'm not sure if there is something in the archives about Devendra (I'm a newbie as well),  maybe Judy or someone else knows? There are 50-plus posts in the archives that mention Devendra. The Yahoo FFL archives are accessible to everyone, and the Advanced Search feature is quite easy to use to locate posts you wish to peruse.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Different experience of dying ignorant or enlightened
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: I'm sorry this post had to end. It says trunkated at the bottom. Absorbing. FWIW, it's not truncated on the FFL Web site. Took me a good minute to delete it from this post.
