Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield
I would suggest (and in fact have done so several times) that what I and other people don't like about Judy Stein has pretty much *everything* to do with TM. And I defy her to present posts that disprove what she characterizes as my caricature portrayal of her. What is inaccurate about her stooping to grade-school levels to demonize a fellow TM supporter on this forum? She's been doing exactly that with Share since pretty much the first day Share broke away from her clique and started making her own decisions about who to like and who not to like on this forum. What is inaccurate about linking Judy's ongoing persecution of Share (literally *thousands* of posts by now trying to portray her as stupid and a LIAR) to Judy's imaginary boyfriend and cult leader Robin Carlsen? This persecution pretty much went into high gear when Share reacted to being tormented by Robin and stood up for herself. And of course this grade school behavior is not limited to Share -- just think of the number of insulting pet names she's chosen to call people over the years, from Stupid Sal to Feebs to...well, no need to list them...you remember them all. Perhaps Judy would like to post a more accurate bio of herself to give us a better picture of what *exactly* over 30 years of TM has done for her and the major accomplishments it's enabled her to make. For example, is it NOT true that she's a 70+-year-old woman who spends the vast majority of her time in her posts to Fairfield Life dumping on and criticizing other people? Is it NOT true that she almost never posts anything original or creative? What have her *accomplishments* been in those 70+ years? It seems to me, based on what she has posted here and on other forums, that they consist of living in a tiny apartment above a garage in New Jersey, eking out a living correcting writing done by other people, while never creating any of her own (except for her ongoing criticisms on the Internet, of course). In all of that time, I don't remember her ever having mentioned doing something with her friends. Does she even have any? In all of that time, I don't remember her ever having mentioned doing anything for anyone else, other than write a check to a charity. She *certainly* hasn't ever taught TM, because she was so busy (presumably with grading papers and correcting other people on the Internet) that she never became a teacher. She never met Maharishi, even though she had decades of opportunity in which to do so. Another thing I don't think I've ever seen Judy deal with is what gives her the RIGHT to pick an obvious enemy on forums like FFL and then stalk them for months or years, claiming that it's all criticism and nothing more. Who ever named her an official critic? Maybe she'd like to explain that in the bio she's going to post now to set things right. I would say that there is EVERY reason to consider the descriptions of her above accurate. I would further suggest that there is EVERY reason to link them to her TM practice. You know...the same practice that is supposed to make one more in tune with the laws of nature and more harmonious and such. TM is also supposed to make a person more happy and fulfilled, right? Is there ANYONE here who would describe Judy Stein -- based on her posting history here over the years -- as happy and fulfilled? ANYONE? One of the things that Judy might have learned if she had ever had what it takes to become a TM teacher and then work for peanuts trying to teach it full-time is that everything is Not About Her. Some of it is about helping other people...or at least doing what one thinks at the time might help other people. I defy her to post anything she has EVER done in her life that fits into that category. Another thing she might have learned had she become a TM teacher is that when you start becoming a mouthpiece for a spiritual technique or tradition, the people you're preaching to trying to convince them it's of value look at YOU as the EXAMPLE of what you're selling. You personify what you're selling. While *claiming* that she's not a True Believer, Judy *consistently* makes excuses for the bad behavior of the TM movement here, and tries to sell it here. Why shouldn't the people she's trying to sell it TO judge TM's worth based on HER behavior? From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 1:30 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield Barry's insulting caricatures of the people here he doesn't like (his critics) are not, in fact, even remotely accurate. Nor, BTW, does the practice of TM have anything whatsoever to do with what he doesn't like about us (our propensity to criticize him). Haven't you ever noticed that he has to deliberately make up things to dump on? That is actually pretty funny (and true) Michael, as I suggested in my earlier post
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield
Three words: You Need Help ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Nabby likes ANYONE who claims to be special, above everyone else like Hitler with all his Aryan nonsense. People here find that offensive for me to say so, but the observation is obvious. ANYONE who lords it over everyone else. Tell us Nabster, what is gonna happen to folks like me and Barry, Curtis, everyone who ever reviled Marshy and Creme himself when the Big M, in this case Maitreya, actually shows himself and takes over the world? Eh, what is he gonna do with us spiritual hooligans? On Mon, 3/31/14, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 31, 2014, 3:56 P Hey Nabby, why are you so down on Buddhists? A few sects of this tradition still produces 'enlightenment', though as with all traditions, there do not seem to be a lot of successes in this department. It does not seem to me that Turq is party to any tradition these days. And, for example, what does Benjamin Creme have to do with enlightenment? Has he gotten you closer to that goal? It seems these days that 'traditions' are going downhill in that the pursuit of spiritual values is taking on a more personal kind of search, and a more secular kind of search for the world's population as a whole, and the more medieval pockets of spirituality, the Christian fundies and Muslim fundies, for example, are actually becoming more isolated in this wash of change. Agnosticism and atheism are on the rise as well as religious persons becoming more non affiliated. From what I have heard locally, TM initiations have improved due to time payment plans and scholarships. The movement has been forced to change its monetary models, otherwise it will disappear. Religions, once the initial cult phase is over generally switch to a donation model once the charms of the leader no longer are relevant. This requires future generations of TBs to be programmed to feel this is a valuable thing to do. Also payment for 'special services' also comes into the picture from time to time. Religious organisations can be in a bind, because in order to preserve their special legacy, they are inhibited from being really creative and coming up with new stuff and new ways to say the same old thing, they tend to say it in the same old way, so unlike a business, they cannot survive on creativity. So models like automatic tithing etc., have to be programmed into the population. This also reduces creativity if it is successful because now the leaders do not have to think intelligently or creatively to maintain the organisation, if they can achieve a regular cash flow in this way. The big problem is keeping the population in the fold, because if enlightenment works, the person is freed from the whole illusion of tradition from which the experience supposedly came, but actually did not. Thus the survival of the organisation ultimately depends on its main benefit becoming scarcer and scarcer as time goes on. Instead of success, people are kept indefinitely in anticipation of success. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : MJ isn't the only loser who struggle with their success these days. When the Turq, in one of his usual rants against the TMO demanded to know how low the Initiations are these days it turned out that their income for 2012 was $ 47,8 million. Since this was published here we haven't heard a word about the matter from the Turq. Perhaps his Buddhist Overlords have convinced him to lay low for a while. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : You''ve always got it figured out Michael. Doesn't matter how many twists and turns you have to make, the conclusion is always the same. So what if the TMO has adjusted their message, or their pitch? That's what organizations do. Maybe the problem you're having is that they seem to be having some success. Let's face it, that's wall galls you. And really, I don't think you're ashamed to admit it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You are both full of it - the TMO is attempting to tap into a new tier of customers and they are doing it in part to distance themselves from the Old Goat because they know he has become a liability. I know what you are saying, as to M's references to the Self, but they have never done an ad campaign like this - everything they do is a calculated move to gain adherents, money and like the idiots they are, create a vedic society.
[FairfieldLife] Highlights from Healing and Empowering Women
MJ could have good use of several of these programmes to heal the nervous-system. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jD8j-CBg-pg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jD8j-CBg-pg
[FairfieldLife] The Myth of Vivian Maier
Madeline Coleman on Finding Vivian Maier, a new documentary opening in U.S. theaters on Friday, March 28. http://www.aperture.org/blog/myth-vivian-maier/ http://www.aperture.org/blog/myth-vivian-maier/
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield
It is true that TM doesn't hurt some people, but to say that it is good for most is a flat out lie. Which statistics are you going by to assert the above? The numbers have always been jimmied by the TMO and True Believers. Most people who are initiated stop doing TM soon after. That depends on teh demographic. With the Congolese refugees, apparently 100% were still doing TM at least once-a-daym even a few months later. Of course, this is an overwhelmingly stressed group for which TM was teh only treatment for PTSD (or any other mental/stress condition) available, so it has to be seen as an outlier. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : tell that to all the long term meditators who have tried to commit suicide - tell that to the family members of those long term TM'ers who did commit suicide, tell that to the people whose lives have been ruined by their adherence to TM and messing around with the TMO - people who are mental/emotional basket cases from years of TM. They do exist. They are out there and I am willing to bet you know some of them. It is true that TM doesn't hurt some people, but to say that it is good for most is a flat out lie. The numbers have always been jimmied by the TMO and True Believers. Most people who are initiated stop doing TM soon after.
Re: [FairfieldLife] TM Mantras - Source?
Maharishi chose to use a subset of the mantras that are available,.presumably because his intuition said it was a sufficiently large subset to be useful. Upcoming research on TM using advanced EEG analysis should help make it more clear what it means to be useful. In the meantime, the TM organization is apparently embracing Alaric Arenander's idea that TM centers should start to do public demos of EEG coherence as part of introductory lectures on TM. Here's the main excerpt of the Maharishi Global Family Chat presentation he made: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyITv-rIDzklist=UU0iwNoV7Sptxi1qqWz_R9IA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyITv-rIDzklist=UU0iwNoV7Sptxi1qqWz_R9IA The EEG shown in the video looks to be pretty darned unusual. Certainly, looking at the EEG described in papers published about other meditation practices, it is inescapable to conclude that the EEG found in long-term TMers and long-term practitioners of other techniques are as different as night and day with respect to what starts to show up the longer one has been practicing the various techniques. TM really IS different than other practices that have been studied, with respect to EEG. TM researchers aren't able to get guys like Dietrich Lehmann and Roberto Pascual-Marqui to participate (or so the rumor goes) in multiple EEG studies on advanced TMers because they're excessively charismatic or something. These guys are teh very tip-top in their field. If these guys decide to study something, it is because they think it is interesting and unusual, both. http://www.uzh.ch/keyinst/index/members/lehmann/cv11.htm http://www.uzh.ch/keyinst/index/members/lehmann/cv11.htm http://www.uzh.ch/keyinst/loreta.htm http://www.uzh.ch/keyinst/loreta.htm L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Did I not say that beej mantras are commonly used in astrology not to mention ayurveda? But few westerners had penetrated that information back with MMY started TM. Funny thing it is not uncommon to find that people's names start with the sound associated with their birth star (nakshatra) even if they are westerners and their parents knew nothing about astrology. As Graffitiswami might say: Go figure. On 03/30/2014 07:44 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: The comments section is well worth reading, esp the long one from John: http://www.wildmind.org/mantras/figures/tm http://www.wildmind.org/mantras/figures/tm The origin of the TM Bija mantras (seed sounds) are to be found in the so called “Hoda Chakra” which is printed and reprinted in virtually all the published astrological almanachs in India. The Hoda Chakra lists 108 seed sounds, each one allotted to the 4 padas of the 27 star constellations (Nakshatras).All this is well known in India. Mostly it is used in the selection of Names,based on the Moon’s position in a particular Nakshatra Pada. In an advanced version of the TM, this astrological information (position of the Moon at birth) is used also for selecting the seed sounds.Actually, what is known and practiced as the TM is part of the a large and complex system. Perhaps less than 1% of this has filtered through the contemporary TM movement.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund
This same thing of some bad behavior of some plagued the early Mormon movement when they showed up on the frontier in Illinois at Nauvoo to settle and build their Shining City on the Hill overlooking the Mississippi River. Well, not wishing to distract from the central subject of this here subject thread but; there were some Mormon people in their larger community who were real operators. Swindlers of locals and farmers in business dealings, stealing horses and such too. Bad people. Word spread about the Mormons hold up there in Nauvoo. That reputation generated by a few really bad ones was put on the larger group of Mormons and subsequently was part of what came along in to a frontier justice served them that was the demise of Joseph Smith and resulted in a negotiated removal of Mormons generally from Illinois then for their own safety because the State could not guarantee their safety at the time. The bad behavior of a few. . [Not that the locals then did not have some of their own bad ones too, as like even in Fairfield today.] -Buck Bad socialization in an upbringing can be seen anywhere in a people at any station. Evidently even in thel growing illumined. There is certainly Nature and there is certainly nurture in any person. People are born in to the temple as the human nervous system that comes with some manufactured standard equipment [OEM] like consciousness, egos, mind, heart and intellect. And then there are the families and communities they are born in to. We should not overlook the significance of poor to middling upbringings of some of those even in the TM movement to explain some of their behavior aside from some factors around illumination on a scale of consciousness. Yep, actually Dr. David Hawkins the late great Western sage had a lot to say about this thing of ethical behavior and consciousness too. I feel MJ here is making way to much of a fuss about all this stuff in the past. Seems like abnormal fussiness. Evidently as with any socio-pathology the thing to do to protect a community or any organization from bad behavior is to have metrics for performance to judge people by. Aside from norms the science seems to say that the sociopaths show themselves for who they are when there are standards of performance. That is good information in getting along: groups and organizations beware and protect yourselves accordingly, -Buck turquoiseb writes: That was probably the problem with the rioting pandits, too...their upbringing. Nothing to do with TM at all... Actually the attorneys general protecting the general public have put most the crooked community meditators out of business either in to jail or barred from at least security business, some barred for life. It is not that these bad-minded ones were meditators but much more likely examples of asocial bad-upbringing. Much more likely they were victim of their poor upbringings from where ever they came from. Those crooked while certainly part of the old story of Fairfield, Iowa hardly represent the larger good of the meditating community of Fairfield, Iowa. Om, just to be a little more accurate about some things mentioned below for any outsiders looking in, it was [International Trading Group] ITG churning accounts with made up information that the SEC sanctioned. Telegroup was taking in good people's money from the community at their front door while loading it out the back door as they were filing for bankruptcy. Beckley's and his people was a different route of consumer fraud played on people. -Buck Yes, and thanks be to the Unified Field for the States Attorneys Generals out there doing the good work of protecting us all as the larger and civic [meditating] community from bad people doing bad things. -Buck Mjackson74 writes: I'd just as soon invest my money with Ed Beckley. There have been a bunch of them there in Fairfield, haven't there? My favorite TM business scam story to date is one that someone shared here right after I first began posting on FFL about the Movement asking for investors to create an ayurvedic clinic there in Fairfield and the investors would get their money back, plus profit sharing and discounts on products and services - and the minute the Movement had the money the immediately reneged on the deal, saying all the investors would be re-payed only with the discounts - no profits, no return of initial investments, nothing! My favorite! Duveyoung writes: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund Telegroup? I would think they'd be ashamed to even mention the name. Crooks, liars and thieves sure love to do highfalutin' sounding enterprises. Is this another one? Sorry guys, maybe your intents are pure, but look at the track history of faith-based businesses in Fairfield -- if you're not going to address all the failures -- especially of the businesses that seemingly toed the movement line,
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield
Steve, since you asked me what I think (-: I think we all have apologist tendencies to some degree. Meaning that we all have parts of our brain that are still developing and maturing, are not yet fully developed. Based on my own experience and understanding, I think TM is excellent for giving deep rest to the whole individual; and that the TMSP is an excellent program for fully developing the brain and mind body coordination. OTOH none of us know 100% for sure whether TM is a good thing or a bad thing. Bottom line, each of us must come to our own conclusions about everything. And then live with the consequences of holding those conclusions. It seems to be a big part of being human. Go figure! On Monday, March 31, 2014 9:31 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: should be, you might be a cult apologist, if ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Hi Share, I thought so too! But if you're having a discussion with someone who finds nefarious intent in any and every action of an organization he doesn't like, then I guess you are cult apologist If Michael writing skills are worth much, I'd like to see a piece along the lines of: You know you're a TM cult apologist if: (now conjecturing about what Michael might say) If you ever gave Maharishi a flower. If you ever sang puja, and had a good feeling afterward. If you ever said Jai Guru Dev twice in one day. If you ever gave someone a lift to the dome. If you dared to suggest on a public forum that someone who posts non stop comments about how bad an organization is, might be just a wee bit out a whack, then you are a cult follower. Whaddya think! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, I really appreciate how common sensical (is that a valid phrase?) you are in what you say here. Especially the bit about why the TMO changed its approach. And of course, the directly relevant part about twenty minutes meditating being good for most people. On Monday, March 31, 2014 7:08 PM, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Oh that's good Michael. At least a new name from the one I am usually called. Or actually, you are comparing me to something, ratherthandeclaring I am such and such. At any rate, regarding this new approach, so what if they are - distancing themselves from the Hindu roots? Maybe they feel that has been off-putting for many people, and better to downplay it. But as has been pointed out, that is nothing different than has been done from the beginning. Maharishi started with a spiritual approach, and then shifted to a more scientific approach, because it would appeal to more people. You want to get people though the door. You want to get them to the introductory lecture. You want to outline the benefits. I happen to be able to observe some this new approach up close, and it seems to be having some results. That and a lower fee for learning. You are more comfortable making blanket (mostly all negative) statements about the TMO and Maharishi. But like many endeavors, you can choose to participate to whatever degree you like. Meditating for twenty minutes twice a day, would, I think, be a healthy activity for most people. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Come on Steve, be real - you know damn good and well they are distancing themselves from the Hindu roots and from Maharishi himself - if you can't see how disingenuous that is then you are a truly sheared TM sheep. On Mon, 3/31/14, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 31, 2014, 2:55 PM You''ve always got it figured out Michael. Doesn't matter how many twists and turns you have to make, the conclusion is always the same. So what if the TMO has adjusted their message, or their pitch? That's what organizations do. Maybe the problem you're having is that they seem to be having some success. Let's face it, that's wall galls you. And really, I don't think you're ashamed to admit it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You are both full of it - the TMO is attempting to tap into a new tier of customers and they are doing it in part to distance themselves from the Old Goat because they know he has become a liability. I know what you are saying, as to M's references to the Self, but they have never done an ad campaign like this - everything they do is a calculated move to gain adherents, money and like the idiots they are, create a vedic society. On Mon, 3/31/14, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March
[FairfieldLife] Microbes exterminate life on Earth!
Date: March 31, 2014 Source: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Summary: Methane-producing microbes may be responsible for the largest mass extinction in Earth's history. Fossil remains show that sometime around 252 million years ago, about 90 percent of all species on Earth were suddenly wiped out -- by far the largest of this planet's five known mass extinctions. It turns out that Methanosarcina had acquired a particularly fast means of making methane, and the team's detailed mapping of the organism's history now shows that this transfer happened at about the time of the end-Permian extinction. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/03/140331153608.htm?utm_source=feedburneramp;utm_medium=feedamp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sciencedaily%2Ftop_news%2Ftop_science+%28ScienceDaily%3A+Top+Science+News%29amp;utm_content=FaceBook http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/03/140331153608.htm?utm_source=feedburneramp;utm_medium=feedamp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sciencedaily%2Ftop_news%2Ftop_science+%28ScienceDaily%3A+Top+Science+News%29amp;utm_content=FaceBook
Re: [FairfieldLife] Microbes exterminate life on Earth!
Oh, the ignominy of it all. 90% of all species on Earth wiped out by a bunch of farting microbes! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 1:46 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Microbes exterminate life on Earth! Date: March 31, 2014 Source: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Summary: Methane-producing microbes may be responsible for the largest mass extinction in Earth's history. Fossil remains show that sometime around 252 million years ago, about 90 percent of all species on Earth were suddenly wiped out -- by far the largest of this planet's five known mass extinctions. It turns out that Methanosarcina had acquired a particularly fast means of making methane, and the team's detailed mapping of the organism's history now shows that this transfer happened at about the time of the end-Permian extinction. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/03/140331153608.htm?utm_source=feedburneramp;utm_medium=feedamp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sciencedaily%2Ftop_news%2Ftop_science+%28ScienceDaily%3A+Top+Science+News%29amp;utm_content=FaceBook
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield
Yes, Barry, you list many truths here. I think the watershed moment for Judy in her adult life, and possibly her whole life, was Robin's arrival on FFL. No need to elaborate. I think she make good points on occasion,but overall her legacy will be that as a very mean person, who evidently does not believe in any meaningful degree of self reflection. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I would suggest (and in fact have done so several times) that what I and other people don't like about Judy Stein has pretty much *everything* to do with TM. And I defy her to present posts that disprove what she characterizes as my caricature portrayal of her. What is inaccurate about her stooping to grade-school levels to demonize a fellow TM supporter on this forum? She's been doing exactly that with Share since pretty much the first day Share broke away from her clique and started making her own decisions about who to like and who not to like on this forum. What is inaccurate about linking Judy's ongoing persecution of Share (literally *thousands* of posts by now trying to portray her as stupid and a LIAR) to Judy's imaginary boyfriend and cult leader Robin Carlsen? This persecution pretty much went into high gear when Share reacted to being tormented by Robin and stood up for herself. And of course this grade school behavior is not limited to Share -- just think of the number of insulting pet names she's chosen to call people over the years, from Stupid Sal to Feebs to...well, no need to list them...you remember them all. Perhaps Judy would like to post a more accurate bio of herself to give us a better picture of what *exactly* over 30 years of TM has done for her and the major accomplishments it's enabled her to make. For example, is it NOT true that she's a 70+-year-old woman who spends the vast majority of her time in her posts to Fairfield Life dumping on and criticizing other people? Is it NOT true that she almost never posts anything original or creative? What have her *accomplishments* been in those 70+ years? It seems to me, based on what she has posted here and on other forums, that they consist of living in a tiny apartment above a garage in New Jersey, eking out a living correcting writing done by other people, while never creating any of her own (except for her ongoing criticisms on the Internet, of course). In all of that time, I don't remember her ever having mentioned doing something with her friends. Does she even have any? In all of that time, I don't remember her ever having mentioned doing anything for anyone else, other than write a check to a charity. She *certainly* hasn't ever taught TM, because she was so busy (presumably with grading papers and correcting other people on the Internet) that she never became a teacher. She never met Maharishi, even though she had decades of opportunity in which to do so. Another thing I don't think I've ever seen Judy deal with is what gives her the RIGHT to pick an obvious enemy on forums like FFL and then stalk them for months or years, claiming that it's all criticism and nothing more. Who ever named her an official critic? Maybe she'd like to explain that in the bio she's going to post now to set things right. I would say that there is EVERY reason to consider the descriptions of her above accurate. I would further suggest that there is EVERY reason to link them to her TM practice. You know...the same practice that is supposed to make one more in tune with the laws of nature and more harmonious and such. TM is also supposed to make a person more happy and fulfilled, right? Is there ANYONE here who would describe Judy Stein -- based on her posting history here over the years -- as happy and fulfilled? ANYONE? One of the things that Judy might have learned if she had ever had what it takes to become a TM teacher and then work for peanuts trying to teach it full-time is that everything is Not About Her. Some of it is about helping other people...or at least doing what one thinks at the time might help other people. I defy her to post anything she has EVER done in her life that fits into that category. Another thing she might have learned had she become a TM teacher is that when you start becoming a mouthpiece for a spiritual technique or tradition, the people you're preaching to trying to convince them it's of value look at YOU as the EXAMPLE of what you're selling. You personify what you're selling. While *claiming* that she's not a True Believer, Judy *consistently* makes excuses for the bad behavior of the TM movement here, and tries to sell it here. Why shouldn't the people she's trying to sell it TO judge TM's worth based on HER behavior? From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 1:30 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield Barry's insulting caricatures of
[FairfieldLife] Old Transcendentalism
Buck Predicts: Buck sees, as to the inevitable success of our transcendentalism cause, I do not pretend to command the moral universe; the arc is a long one, my eye reaches but little ways; I cannot calculate the curve and complete the figure by the experience of sight; I can divine it by conscience of the transcendent. And from what I see I am sure by both experience and the science it bends towards the Unified Field. -Buck in the Dome “We are a group of people who have come together and created a community for a transcendentally important common purpose, which of course is to practice the Transcendental Meditation program and the TM-Sidhi program together as a group, for the sake of bringing coherence to national and world consciousness based on balancing labor and leisure to meditate while working together for the benefit of the community. Our Super-Radiance meditating community includes families of all the TM-Meditators and TM-Sidhas in the Fairfield, Vedic City and Jefferson County area.”
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield
turq, for me you're raising some fascinating questions: how can we discern the development of another; and it's corollary, how can we discern the efficacy of any self development programs that individual might be using. As each person follows their own unfathomable karma, can we know 100% for sure that they're not playing the role they were born to play? I think for sure lock away killers, etc. And in our personal life, avoid those whose company we don't enjoy. Do our best to enjoy life and help others enjoy if they want our help. Beyond that, it's a mystery that I love. Go figure! On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 7:02 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes, Barry, you list many truths here. I think the watershed moment for Judy in her adult life, and possibly her whole life, was Robin's arrival on FFL. No need to elaborate. I think she make good points on occasion,but overall her legacy will be that as a very mean person, who evidently does not believe in any meaningful degree of self reflection. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I would suggest (and in fact have done so several times) that what I and other people don't like about Judy Stein has pretty much *everything* to do with TM. And I defy her to present posts that disprove what she characterizes as my caricature portrayal of her. What is inaccurate about her stooping to grade-school levels to demonize a fellow TM supporter on this forum? She's been doing exactly that with Share since pretty much the first day Share broke away from her clique and started making her own decisions about who to like and who not to like on this forum. What is inaccurate about linking Judy's ongoing persecution of Share (literally *thousands* of posts by now trying to portray her as stupid and a LIAR) to Judy's imaginary boyfriend and cult leader Robin Carlsen? This persecution pretty much went into high gear when Share reacted to being tormented by Robin and stood up for herself. And of course this grade school behavior is not limited to Share -- just think of the number of insulting pet names she's chosen to call people over the years, from Stupid Sal to Feebs to...well, no need to list them...you remember them all. Perhaps Judy would like to post a more accurate bio of herself to give us a better picture of what *exactly* over 30 years of TM has done for her and the major accomplishments it's enabled her to make. For example, is it NOT true that she's a 70+-year-old woman who spends the vast majority of her time in her posts to Fairfield Life dumping on and criticizing other people? Is it NOT true that she almost never posts anything original or creative? What have her *accomplishments* been in those 70+ years? It seems to me, based on what she has posted here and on other forums, that they consist of living in a tiny apartment above a garage in New Jersey, eking out a living correcting writing done by other people, while never creating any of her own (except for her ongoing criticisms on the Internet, of course). In all of that time, I don't remember her ever having mentioned doing something with her friends. Does she even have any? In all of that time, I don't remember her ever having mentioned doing anything for anyone else, other than write a check to a charity. She *certainly* hasn't ever taught TM, because she was so busy (presumably with grading papers and correcting other people on the Internet) that she never became a teacher. She never met Maharishi, even though she had decades of opportunity in which to do so. Another thing I don't think I've ever seen Judy deal with is what gives her the RIGHT to pick an obvious enemy on forums like FFL and then stalk them for months or years, claiming that it's all criticism and nothing more. Who ever named her an official critic? Maybe she'd like to explain that in the bio she's going to post now to set things right. I would say that there is EVERY reason to consider the descriptions of her above accurate. I would further suggest that there is EVERY reason to link them to her TM practice. You know...the same practice that is supposed to make one more in tune with the laws of nature and more harmonious and such. TM is also supposed to make a person more happy and fulfilled, right? Is there ANYONE here who would describe Judy Stein -- based on her posting history here over the years -- as happy and fulfilled? ANYONE? One of the things that Judy might have learned if she had ever had what it takes to become a TM teacher and then work for peanuts trying to teach it full-time is that everything is Not About Her. Some of it is about helping other people...or at least doing what one thinks at the time might help other people. I defy her to post anything she has EVER done in her life that fits into that category. Another thing she might have learned had she become a TM teacher is that when you start
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield
Share, do you know what apologist means? Steve, since you asked me what I think (-: I think we all have apologist tendencies to some degree. Meaning that we all have parts of our brain that are still developing and maturing, are not yet fully developed. Because you seem to be saying here that being an apologist indicates that one is not fully developed, i.e., that apologist tendencies indicate a lack of maturity. You might just want to check out the actual meaning of the term: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apologetics http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apologetics
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I've never seen any statistics compariing the rate of suicides or attempted suicides among TMers with the rate in the general population, have you, Michael? For all we know, rates may be the same; or there might even be a lower rate among TMers. In any case, without some intensive study, we can't say how much, if anything, their TM practice had to do with their suicides or suicide attempts. All we can really say is that the practice didn't prevent suicide. Same with mental/emotional basket cases and ruined lives. As well, without some very extensive statistics and analysis, we can't say whether TM is good for most people or not. Tell that to all the long term meditators who have tried to commit suicide - tell that to the family members of those long term TM'ers who did commit suicide, tell that to the people whose lives have been ruined by their adherence to TM and messing around with the TMO - people who are mental/emotional basket cases from years of TM. They do exist. They are out there and I am willing to bet you know some of them. It is true that TM doesn't hurt some people, but to say that it is good for most is a flat out lie. The numbers have always been jimmied by the TMO and True Believers. Most people who are initiated stop doing TM soon after.
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Yes, one can selectively choose data that supports their beliefs, and ignore all the rest. I am thinking of the many people I know who have remained steady in their practice, and dedicated to the organization and it's founder. They are people who garner respect from society in general. Implying they are cult apologists speaks only about the person making the accusation than those they are accusing. That's what I think. (-: Thanks for your comments. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, since you asked me what I think (-: I think we all have apologist tendencies to some degree. Meaning that we all have parts of our brain that are still developing and maturing, are not yet fully developed. Based on my own experience and understanding, I think TM is excellent for giving deep rest to the whole individual; and that the TMSP is an excellent program for fully developing the brain and mind body coordination. OTOH none of us know 100% for sure whether TM is a good thing or a bad thing. Bottom line, each of us must come to our own conclusions about everything. And then live with the consequences of holding those conclusions. It seems to be a big part of being human. Go figure! On Monday, March 31, 2014 9:31 PM, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: should be, you might be a cult apologist, if ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Hi Share, I thought so too! But if you're having a discussion with someone who finds nefarious intent in any and every action of an organization he doesn't like, then I guess you are cult apologist If Michael writing skills are worth much, I'd like to see a piece along the lines of: You know you're a TM cult apologist if: (now conjecturing about what Michael might say) If you ever gave Maharishi a flower. If you ever sang puja, and had a good feeling afterward. If you ever said Jai Guru Dev twice in one day. If you ever gave someone a lift to the dome. If you dared to suggest on a public forum that someone who posts non stop comments about how bad an organization is, might be just a wee bit out a whack, then you are a cult follower. Whaddya think! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, I really appreciate how common sensical (is that a valid phrase?) you are in what you say here. Especially the bit about why the TMO changed its approach. And of course, the directly relevant part about twenty minutes meditating being good for most people. On Monday, March 31, 2014 7:08 PM, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Oh that's good Michael. At least a new name from the one I am usually called. Or actually, you are comparing me to something, rather than declaring I am such and such. At any rate, regarding this new approach, so what if they are - distancing themselves from the Hindu roots? Maybe they feel that has been off-putting for many people, and better to downplay it. But as has been pointed out, that is nothing different than has been done from the beginning. Maharishi started with a spiritual approach, and then shifted to a more scientific approach, because it would appeal to more people. You want to get people though the door. You want to get them to the introductory lecture. You want to outline the benefits. I happen to be able to observe some this new approach up close, and it seems to be having some results. That and a lower fee for learning. You are more comfortable making blanket (mostly all negative) statements about the TMO and Maharishi. But like many endeavors, you can choose to participate to whatever degree you like. Meditating for twenty minutes twice a day, would, I think, be a healthy activity for most people. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Come on Steve, be real - you know damn good and well they are distancing themselves from the Hindu roots and from Maharishi himself - if you can't see how disingenuous that is then you are a truly sheared TM sheep. On Mon, 3/31/14, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 31, 2014, 2:55 PM You''ve always got it figured out Michael. Doesn't matter how many twists and turns you have to make, the conclusion is always the same. So what if the TMO has adjusted their message, or their pitch? That's what organizations do. Maybe the problem you're having is that they seem to be having some success. Let's face it, that's wall galls you. And really, I don't think you're ashamed to admit
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I am making two points. First, I think we all agree that a HUGE percentage of Judy's posts and putdowns seek to push out the idea that she is *superior* to those she's putting down or criticizing. She's smarter, she's more truthful, and she knows more than they do. I'm suggesting that she has no basis from which to argue that supposed superiority. As far as I can tell, she's a bitter old woman who corrects other writers' work for a living (and in New Jersey, ferchrissakes!), and has somehow decided that on the basis of this she has the right to correct *everyone's* writing. I'd like to see her provide a list of the actual, real-world accomplishments that make her as much of an authority as she seems to feel she has the right to be recognized as. I'm asking her to document what she's actually DONE in her life that makes her feel so superior. The second is that she *really doesn't get it* that, by constantly -- for close to two decades -- taking the TMO's side in any scandal or furor that arises, and by trying to sell TM -- again, for close to two decades -- she has *placed herself* in the role of apologist or shill for the TMO. No one else did this to her; she has chosen that role for herself. What I'm trying to get across to her is that BY taking that role upon herself, she has placed herself in the position that any TM teacher learned about years ago. That is, OF COURSE people are going to judge the product she's trying to sell by HER actions. By setting herself up as a constantly-supporting, constantly apologizing representative of the TM way, she has unintentionally positioned herself as an EXAMPLE of what she is trying to sell. I'm just pointing out that the example she provides is a compulsively argumentative, chronically angry, and demonstrably obsessive grudge-holder whose whole life seems to revolve around getting the people who *don't* accept her as the authority she poses as. Does she actually believe that people will want to become LIKE her, and thus start TM as a result? If so, she's more psychotic (disconnected from reality) than I thought. From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield Yes, Barry, you list many truths here. I think the watershed moment for Judy in her adult life, and possibly her whole life, was Robin's arrival on FFL. No need to elaborate. I think she make good points on occasion,but overall her legacy will be that as a very mean person, who evidently does not believe in any meaningful degree of self reflection. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I would suggest (and in fact have done so several times) that what I and other people don't like about Judy Stein has pretty much *everything* to do with TM. And I defy her to present posts that disprove what she characterizes as my caricature portrayal of her. What is inaccurate about her stooping to grade-school levels to demonize a fellow TM supporter on this forum? She's been doing exactly that with Share since pretty much the first day Share broke away from her clique and started making her own decisions about who to like and who not to like on this forum. What is inaccurate about linking Judy's ongoing persecution of Share (literally *thousands* of posts by now trying to portray her as stupid and a LIAR) to Judy's imaginary boyfriend and cult leader Robin Carlsen? This persecution pretty much went into high gear when Share reacted to being tormented by Robin and stood up for herself. And of course this grade school behavior is not limited to Share -- just think of the number of insulting pet names she's chosen to call people over the years, from Stupid Sal to Feebs to...well, no need to list them...you remember them all. Perhaps Judy would like to post a more accurate bio of herself to give us a better picture of what *exactly* over 30 years of TM has done for her and the major accomplishments it's enabled her to make. For example, is it NOT true that she's a 70+-year-old woman who spends the vast majority of her time in her posts to Fairfield Life dumping on and criticizing other people? Is it NOT true that she almost never posts anything original or creative? What have her *accomplishments* been in those 70+ years? It seems to me, based on what she has posted here and on other forums, that they consist of living in a tiny apartment above a garage in New Jersey, eking out a living correcting writing done by other people, while never creating any of her own (except for her ongoing criticisms on the Internet, of course). In all of that time, I don't remember her ever having mentioned doing something with her friends. Does she even have any? In all of that time, I don't remember her ever having mentioned doing anything for anyone else, other than write a
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Hey, Feebs, remember what I told you about your mind-reading abilities. Not to mention your serious memory problems. Those deficiencies tend to leave you awfully short when you attempt an evaluation of an FFL member (or an evaluation of an evaluation by Barry of an FFL member he doesn't like [i.e., one of his critics]). Yes, Barry, you list many truths here. I think the watershed moment for Judy in her adult life, and possibly her whole life, was Robin's arrival on FFL. No need to elaborate. I think she make good points on occasion,but overall her legacy will be that as a very mean person, who evidently does not believe in any meaningful degree of self reflection. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I would suggest (and in fact have done so several times) that what I and other people don't like about Judy Stein has pretty much *everything* to do with TM. And I defy her to present posts that disprove what she characterizes as my caricature portrayal of her. What is inaccurate about her stooping to grade-school levels to demonize a fellow TM supporter on this forum? She's been doing exactly that with Share since pretty much the first day Share broke away from her clique and started making her own decisions about who to like and who not to like on this forum. What is inaccurate about linking Judy's ongoing persecution of Share (literally *thousands* of posts by now trying to portray her as stupid and a LIAR) to Judy's imaginary boyfriend and cult leader Robin Carlsen? This persecution pretty much went into high gear when Share reacted to being tormented by Robin and stood up for herself. And of course this grade school behavior is not limited to Share -- just think of the number of insulting pet names she's chosen to call people over the years, from Stupid Sal to Feebs to...well, no need to list them...you remember them all. Perhaps Judy would like to post a more accurate bio of herself to give us a better picture of what *exactly* over 30 years of TM has done for her and the major accomplishments it's enabled her to make. For example, is it NOT true that she's a 70+-year-old woman who spends the vast majority of her time in her posts to Fairfield Life dumping on and criticizing other people? Is it NOT true that she almost never posts anything original or creative? What have her *accomplishments* been in those 70+ years? It seems to me, based on what she has posted here and on other forums, that they consist of living in a tiny apartment above a garage in New Jersey, eking out a living correcting writing done by other people, while never creating any of her own (except for her ongoing criticisms on the Internet, of course). In all of that time, I don't remember her ever having mentioned doing something with her friends. Does she even have any? In all of that time, I don't remember her ever having mentioned doing anything for anyone else, other than write a check to a charity. She *certainly* hasn't ever taught TM, because she was so busy (presumably with grading papers and correcting other people on the Internet) that she never became a teacher. She never met Maharishi, even though she had decades of opportunity in which to do so. Another thing I don't think I've ever seen Judy deal with is what gives her the RIGHT to pick an obvious enemy on forums like FFL and then stalk them for months or years, claiming that it's all criticism and nothing more. Who ever named her an official critic? Maybe she'd like to explain that in the bio she's going to post now to set things right. I would say that there is EVERY reason to consider the descriptions of her above accurate. I would further suggest that there is EVERY reason to link them to her TM practice. You know...the same practice that is supposed to make one more in tune with the laws of nature and more harmonious and such. TM is also supposed to make a person more happy and fulfilled, right? Is there ANYONE here who would describe Judy Stein -- based on her posting history here over the years -- as happy and fulfilled? ANYONE? One of the things that Judy might have learned if she had ever had what it takes to become a TM teacher and then work for peanuts trying to teach it full-time is that everything is Not About Her. Some of it is about helping other people...or at least doing what one thinks at the time might help other people. I defy her to post anything she has EVER done in her life that fits into that category. Another thing she might have learned had she become a TM teacher is that when you start becoming a mouthpiece for a spiritual technique or tradition, the people you're preaching to trying to convince them it's of value look at YOU as the EXAMPLE of what you're selling. You personify what you're selling. While *claiming* that she's not a True Believer, Judy *consistently* makes excuses for the bad behavior of the TM movement here,
Re: [FairfieldLife] TM Mantras - Source?
Lawson, I think we all get it that you're a TM science junkie, and that you believe that the science says it all when it comes to TM. Well, as you've noticed, not everyone on this forum (including many long-term TMers) thinks that the TM science is solid enough to prove much of anything. The point I am making lately is that you seem unaware of a more pressing criterion that people use when evaluating non-stop claims about the TM science. That is, what IS it that motivates someone to do it non-stop? Judging from your own posts here, what YOU seem to see as one of your primary ways to have fun is to try to start arguments about TM and its supposed science on Reddit and on other Internet forums. When these threads you post as argument-starters don't pan out the way you want them to, you tend to come back here to FFL and beg other people to go to these other forums to join in. Doesn't this strike you as somewhat...uh...ODD behavior for a grown man? Doesn't it strike you as a bit...uh...fanatical? Doesn't it make you wonder about the person whose life seems to revolve around doing this, when there are so many other things to do with life? Doesn't it make you wonder about the claims that TM helps to make a person more well-rounded or balanced in life? Hint: the TM science ain't ever gonna prove diddley-squat if the people presenting it over and over and over and over and over in an obviously compulsive manner come across as cult fanatics. People are going to be tempted to weigh the messenger as much as they weigh the message. And in my opinion, they should. From: lengli...@cox.net lengli...@cox.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] TM Mantras - Source? Maharishi chose to use a subset of the mantras that are available,.presumably because his intuition said it was a sufficiently large subset to be useful. Upcoming research on TM using advanced EEG analysis should help make it more clear what it means to be useful. In the meantime, the TM organization is apparently embracing Alaric Arenander's idea that TM centers should start to do public demos of EEG coherence as part of introductory lectures on TM. Here's the main excerpt of the Maharishi Global Family Chat presentation he made: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyITv-rIDzklist=UU0iwNoV7Sptxi1qqWz_R9IA The EEG shown in the video looks to be pretty darned unusual. Certainly, looking at the EEG described in papers published about other meditation practices, it is inescapable to conclude that the EEG found in long-term TMers and long-term practitioners of other techniques are as different as night and day with respect to what starts to show up the longer one has been practicing the various techniques. TM really IS different than other practices that have been studied, with respect to EEG. TM researchers aren't able to get guys like Dietrich Lehmann and Roberto Pascual-Marqui to participate (or so the rumor goes) in multiple EEG studies on advanced TMers because they're excessively charismatic or something. These guys are teh very tip-top in their field. If these guys decide to study something, it is because they think it is interesting and unusual, both. http://www.uzh.ch/keyinst/index/members/lehmann/cv11.htm http://www.uzh.ch/keyinst/loreta.htm L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Did I not say that beej mantras are commonly used in astrology not to mention ayurveda? But few westerners had penetrated that information back with MMY started TM. Funny thing it is not uncommon to find that people's names start with the sound associated with their birth star (nakshatra) even if they are westerners and their parents knew nothing about astrology. As Graffitiswami might say: Go figure. On 03/30/2014 07:44 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: The comments section is well worth reading, esp the long one from John: http://www.wildmind.org/mantras/figures/tm The origin of the TM Bija mantras (seed sounds) are to be found in the so called “Hoda Chakra” which is printed and reprinted in virtually all the published astrological almanachs in India. The Hoda Chakra lists 108 seed sounds, each one allotted to the 4 padas of the 27 star constellations (Nakshatras).All this is well known in India. Mostly it is used in the selection of Names,based on the Moon’s position in a particular Nakshatra Pada. In an advanced version of the TM, this astrological information (position of the Moon at birth) is used also for selecting the seed sounds.Actually, what is known and practiced as the TM is part of the a large and complex system. Perhaps less than 1% of this has filtered through the contemporary TM movement.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield
Okay, Judy, thanks for the feedback. I will definitely take it under advisement. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Hey, Feebs, remember what I told you about your mind-reading abilities. Not to mention your serious memory problems. Those deficiencies tend to leave you awfully short when you attempt an evaluation of an FFL member (or an evaluation of an evaluation by Barry of an FFL member he doesn't like [i.e., one of his critics]). Yes, Barry, you list many truths here. I think the watershed moment for Judy in her adult life, and possibly her whole life, was Robin's arrival on FFL. No need to elaborate. I think she make good points on occasion,but overall her legacy will be that as a very mean person, who evidently does not believe in any meaningful degree of self reflection. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I would suggest (and in fact have done so several times) that what I and other people don't like about Judy Stein has pretty much *everything* to do with TM. And I defy her to present posts that disprove what she characterizes as my caricature portrayal of her. What is inaccurate about her stooping to grade-school levels to demonize a fellow TM supporter on this forum? She's been doing exactly that with Share since pretty much the first day Share broke away from her clique and started making her own decisions about who to like and who not to like on this forum. What is inaccurate about linking Judy's ongoing persecution of Share (literally *thousands* of posts by now trying to portray her as stupid and a LIAR) to Judy's imaginary boyfriend and cult leader Robin Carlsen? This persecution pretty much went into high gear when Share reacted to being tormented by Robin and stood up for herself. And of course this grade school behavior is not limited to Share -- just think of the number of insulting pet names she's chosen to call people over the years, from Stupid Sal to Feebs to...well, no need to list them...you remember them all. Perhaps Judy would like to post a more accurate bio of herself to give us a better picture of what *exactly* over 30 years of TM has done for her and the major accomplishments it's enabled her to make. For example, is it NOT true that she's a 70+-year-old woman who spends the vast majority of her time in her posts to Fairfield Life dumping on and criticizing other people? Is it NOT true that she almost never posts anything original or creative? What have her *accomplishments* been in those 70+ years? It seems to me, based on what she has posted here and on other forums, that they consist of living in a tiny apartment above a garage in New Jersey, eking out a living correcting writing done by other people, while never creating any of her own (except for her ongoing criticisms on the Internet, of course). In all of that time, I don't remember her ever having mentioned doing something with her friends. Does she even have any? In all of that time, I don't remember her ever having mentioned doing anything for anyone else, other than write a check to a charity. She *certainly* hasn't ever taught TM, because she was so busy (presumably with grading papers and correcting other people on the Internet) that she never became a teacher. She never met Maharishi, even though she had decades of opportunity in which to do so. Another thing I don't think I've ever seen Judy deal with is what gives her the RIGHT to pick an obvious enemy on forums like FFL and then stalk them for months or years, claiming that it's all criticism and nothing more. Who ever named her an official critic? Maybe she'd like to explain that in the bio she's going to post now to set things right. I would say that there is EVERY reason to consider the descriptions of her above accurate. I would further suggest that there is EVERY reason to link them to her TM practice. You know...the same practice that is supposed to make one more in tune with the laws of nature and more harmonious and such. TM is also supposed to make a person more happy and fulfilled, right? Is there ANYONE here who would describe Judy Stein -- based on her posting history here over the years -- as happy and fulfilled? ANYONE? One of the things that Judy might have learned if she had ever had what it takes to become a TM teacher and then work for peanuts trying to teach it full-time is that everything is Not About Her. Some of it is about helping other people...or at least doing what one thinks at the time might help other people. I defy her to post anything she has EVER done in her life that fits into that category. Another thing she might have learned had she become a TM teacher is that when you start becoming a mouthpiece for a spiritual technique or tradition, the people you're preaching to trying to convince them it's of value look at YOU as the EXAMPLE of what you're selling. You personify
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund
that shouldn't have a single thing to do with people who do TM - the PR on TM
is that it improves life on ALL levels - mental, physical, emotional,
relationships and the implication is made that money issues will disappear with
the improved all around functioning of the individual brought on by regular TM
and TMSP practice and is flat out stated that money problems will go away if
one has MAHARISHI yagyas and lives in a MAHARISHI vastu designed house.
yet the evidence is undeniable that TM'ers do unfortunate things such as commit
suicide and do bad things like rape, robbery, professors who target students
for sex (that's right I'm talking 'bout John Hagelin) commit fraud (like
Beckley) - you yourself David have complained loudly and often about the
behavior of Bevan Morris whose draconian methods of control according to you
have kept Dome numbers low.
You can't accept that the long term meditators can have anything wrong with
them that can be attributed to the practice itself, so you have to lay it off
on factors that, by the TMO's own PR should have been eliminated with TM and
its adjunct programs. Yet you continue to excuse TM and the TMO and say there
are mitigating factors. If its upbringing, the practice of TM corrects those
factors, that's what the TMO says.
So how do these behaviors manifest in a long term TM'er? Those more
esoterically minded lay it off on personal karma yet we have been told by the
Grand Liar Marshy that TM practice releases karma. Look, either TM works AS
ADVERTISED or it doesn't. And it is obvious that it doesn't. So you have to
make excuses. I have always acknowledged that TM is an enjoyable practice for
some people and some people are very decent folks whom I have known who are
True Blue Believers, but not because they do TM. As to TM teachers, its the
same thing. If they would have been decent people without TM, they are with TM
and if they are asses without TM, they will be asses with TM.
One example is John Briganti, used to teach in Charleston SC - I have not seen
him in many years, but when I first met him on the first residence course I
ever took, he was a down to earth very decent man who did not give bullshit
answers to questions nor always take the TM party line and he treated everyone
he met with courtesy and respect. Gene Speigel who was in charge of the Atlanta
TM Center when it was the Area Capitol in charge of the TM Centers in several
South Eastern states and who taught my third residence course was an arrogant,
abrasive, abusive sorry son of a bitch and while I have not seen him in years
either, I bet he still is - has nothing to do with TM either way. Except for
one thing:
It sure seems that those who are natural sons of bitches like Gene Speigel,
Chris Crowell, Susan Humphries, Greg and Georgina Wilson, Bevan Moriss, that
arrogant ass Neil Patterson, Bill Sands, Reed Martin ('member him Steve? The
one who kept you from going to Zambia?) remain natural sons of bitches and
those who are naturally nice people remain nice people - TM makes no dent in
one's personality whatsoever with one odd exception and that is much like Nazi
Germany, those who were most like the leader -arrogant, abusive, elitist seem
to rise to the top levels of the TMO - must be collective karma.
Bottom line is TM and TMSP is a nice thing that makes some people feel nice
inside themselves, sometimes for decades. The same practice causes mental
instability, emotional problems and leads to other problems too - you can lay
it off on their personal karma or whatever you like, but the rubber never
meets the road where TM is concerned and you have to make excuses for the
practice and for the TMO. I know that you personally David believe that TMSP
will save the world, and God Bless you for your desire to make that happen, but
I hope you are not holding your breath as you wait.
On Tue, 4/1/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 2:55 AM
Bad socialization in an upbringing can be seen
anywhere in a
people at any station. Evidently even in thel growing
illumined.
There is certainly Nature and there is certainly nurture in
any
person. People are born in to the temple as the human
nervous system
that comes with some manufactured standard equipment [OEM]
like
consciousness, egos, mind, heart and intellect. And then
there are
the families and communities they are born in to. We should
not
overlook the significance of poor to middling upbringings of
some of
those even in the TM movement to explain some of their
behavior aside
from some factors around illumination on a scale of
consciousness.
Yep,
actually Dr. David Hawkins the late great Western sage had a
lot to
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield
First of all, what a person seeks to push out is not something that can be determined by a vote, especially a vote that hasn't actually been taken. By the same token, the same goes for the percentage of posts that haven't been counted. So Barry's first point can be dismissed on those grounds alone. I think what we see in this point, though, is Barry's sense that he is not as smart as I am and doesn't know as much as I do (that he is less truthful goes without saying). Whether that perception of himself is accurate, I can't say, but it explains why he focuses so much of his internal rage at himself on me. Continuing: I may be old (three years older than Barry, I believe), but I'm not bitter. Yes, I'm an editor. One can understand why Barry, who thinks of himself as a writer, finds editors threatening and has a need to demean the profession. However, most good writers, in my experience, admire and respect editors. I hardly correct everyone's writing on FFL. What an odd fantasy. And Barry only demonstrates his lack of curiosity and willingness to adopt the vulgar common wisdom without examining its accuracy when he dumps on New Jersey (as I've pointed out before). His last two sentences are very strange--he's demanding that I document his opinion of my opinion of myself, as if there were no reason to question what he thinks I think. Since I flatly deny that his opinion is accurate, I have no obligation to fulfill his demand. As to his second point, anyone who has followed my posts knows I'm not a cult apologist. That's just silly--especially since, up until very recently, Barry has consistently sworn he doesn't read my posts. In any case, a cult apologist doesn't tend to criticize the cult, as I often do, or its leader, which I've done as well on a number of occasions, or supporters of the cult, whom I also criticize when appropriate. I do speak up when I think the TMO/TM/MMY/TMers are being treated unfairly--just as I do when I think Barry has been treated unfairly, or anybody else has been treated unfairly. But Barry has a tendency to see things in only black and white--and therefore, in his mind, anyone who ever says anything less than in 100 percent agreement with his negative views of the TMO/TM/MMY/TMers is a cult apologist. (As I pointed out recently. the black/white tendency is said to be typical of True Believers. In that sense Barry is, in fact, more of a True Believer than almost any of the TMers on FFL. He's an absolutist, incapable of dealing with shades of gray or nuance.) Finally, as Barry knows, I have often argued that one cannot judge another's degree of evolution according to behavioral criteria; and I've been very clear that I don't present myself as an example of the effects of TM--I don't think any TMer does, or should. My goodness, if we were to judge how far Barry has evolved by his behavior, we'd have to assume his former TM practice and his association with Frederick Lenz were both profoundly counter-evolutionary. I'll have some more fun with his earlier post about me a little later. I am making two points. First, I think we all agree that a HUGE percentage of Judy's posts and putdowns seek to push out the idea that she is *superior* to those she's putting down or criticizing. She's smarter, she's more truthful, and she knows more than they do. I'm suggesting that she has no basis from which to argue that supposed superiority. As far as I can tell, she's a bitter old woman who corrects other writers' work for a living (and in New Jersey, ferchrissakes!), and has somehow decided that on the basis of this she has the right to correct *everyone's* writing. I'd like to see her provide a list of the actual, real-world accomplishments that make her as much of an authority as she seems to feel she has the right to be recognized as. I'm asking her to document what she's actually DONE in her life that makes her feel so superior. The second is that she *really doesn't get it* that, by constantly -- for close to two decades -- taking the TMO's side in any scandal or furor that arises, and by trying to sell TM -- again, for close to two decades -- she has *placed herself* in the role of apologist or shill for the TMO. No one else did this to her; she has chosen that role for herself. What I'm trying to get across to her is that BY taking that role upon herself, she has placed herself in the position that any TM teacher learned about years ago. That is, OF COURSE people are going to judge the product she's trying to sell by HER actions. By setting herself up as a constantly-supporting, constantly apologizing representative of the TM way, she has unintentionally positioned herself as an EXAMPLE of what she is trying to sell. I'm just pointing out that the example she provides is a compulsively argumentative, chronically angry, and demonstrably obsessive grudge-holder whose whole life seems to
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Barry seems to be fantasizing that Lawson is a continuous presence on FFL, when in fact he only drops in once in a while for relatively short visits. As to starting discussions elsewhere and then inviting FFLers to participate, he's done that exactly twice that I can recall. As to whether the above behavior conveys nonstop fanaticism to anyone but Barry, I'll leave that for others to decide. Lawson, I think we all get it that you're a TM science junkie, and that you believe that the science says it all when it comes to TM. Well, as you've noticed, not everyone on this forum (including many long-term TMers) thinks that the TM science is solid enough to prove much of anything. The point I am making lately is that you seem unaware of a more pressing criterion that people use when evaluating non-stop claims about the TM science. That is, what IS it that motivates someone to do it non-stop? Judging from your own posts here, what YOU seem to see as one of your primary ways to have fun is to try to start arguments about TM and its supposed science on Reddit and on other Internet forums. When these threads you post as argument-starters don't pan out the way you want them to, you tend to come back here to FFL and beg other people to go to these other forums to join in. Doesn't this strike you as somewhat...uh...ODD behavior for a grown man? Doesn't it strike you as a bit...uh...fanatical? Doesn't it make you wonder about the person whose life seems to revolve around doing this, when there are so many other things to do with life? Doesn't it make you wonder about the claims that TM helps to make a person more well-rounded or balanced in life? Hint: the TM science ain't ever gonna prove diddley-squat if the people presenting it over and over and over and over and over in an obviously compulsive manner come across as cult fanatics. People are going to be tempted to weigh the messenger as much as they weigh the message. And in my opinion, they should. From: LEnglish5@... LEnglish5@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] TM Mantras - Source? Maharishi chose to use a subset of the mantras that are available,.presumably because his intuition said it was a sufficiently large subset to be useful. Upcoming research on TM using advanced EEG analysis should help make it more clear what it means to be useful. In the meantime, the TM organization is apparently embracing Alaric Arenander's idea that TM centers should start to do public demos of EEG coherence as part of introductory lectures on TM. Here's the main excerpt of the Maharishi Global Family Chat presentation he made: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyITv-rIDzklist=UU0iwNoV7Sptxi1qqWz_R9IA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyITv-rIDzklist=UU0iwNoV7Sptxi1qqWz_R9IA The EEG shown in the video looks to be pretty darned unusual. Certainly, looking at the EEG described in papers published about other meditation practices, it is inescapable to conclude that the EEG found in long-term TMers and long-term practitioners of other techniques are as different as night and day with respect to what starts to show up the longer one has been practicing the various techniques. TM really IS different than other practices that have been studied, with respect to EEG. TM researchers aren't able to get guys like Dietrich Lehmann and Roberto Pascual-Marqui to participate (or so the rumor goes) in multiple EEG studies on advanced TMers because they're excessively charismatic or something. These guys are teh very tip-top in their field. If these guys decide to study something, it is because they think it is interesting and unusual, both. http://www.uzh.ch/keyinst/index/members/lehmann/cv11.htm http://www.uzh.ch/keyinst/index/members/lehmann/cv11.htm http://www.uzh.ch/keyinst/loreta.htm http://www.uzh.ch/keyinst/loreta.htm L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Did I not say that beej mantras are commonly used in astrology not to mention ayurveda? But few westerners had penetrated that information back with MMY started TM. Funny thing it is not uncommon to find that people's names start with the sound associated with their birth star (nakshatra) even if they are westerners and their parents knew nothing about astrology. As Graffitiswami might say: Go figure. On 03/30/2014 07:44 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: The comments section is well worth reading, esp the long one from John: http://www.wildmind.org/mantras/figures/tm http://www.wildmind.org/mantras/figures/tm The origin of the TM Bija mantras (seed sounds) are to be found in the so called “Hoda Chakra” which is printed and reprinted in virtually all the published astrological almanachs in India. The Hoda Chakra lists 108 seed sounds, each one allotted to the 4 padas of the 27 star
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Given the fact that the TMO is an organization that lives off lies, gets everyone else to fund them so the leadership doesn't actually have to have real jobs - in other words they are living parasitically off the rank and file TM'ers - the fact that they live off of and perpetuate many blatant lies such as don't expose yourself to full solar eclipse cuz the demons and bad karma will get you, if you live in a non-Marshy Vastu home, you will have all kinds of problems and the fact that much of their inner level marketing (meaning their marketing to True Believers on the inner levels of the Movement) is done through fear mongering (telling you all the bad stuff that is gone happen if you don't do as they say, live as they tell you to live and give them the money they are begging for) then yes I would have to say it has become 100% unpleasant and if you want to call it that, bad. What does the TMO actually DO for anyone except get you to accept bizarre beliefs and live a bizarre lifestyle and give them your money? What do they actually DO for people? ANYONE who has ever worked for the Movement can attest to these things - the TMO always gets paid, they never pay out. They routinely lie and manipulate people. If you are giving of your time, effort energy money to them, they love you, as long as you jump through their hoops, but when you can't, even through illness give to them any longer, they cut you loose and turn their backs on you. They focus ONLY on those who keep them up and give what they want. That alone is enough to show what kind of people run the damn organization and the fact that TM ain't no panacea. On Tue, 4/1/14, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 2:27 AM Michael, when you make such extreme statements like the one about finding virtue in the TMO where none exists, then you lose me and, I would guess, anyone who was beginning to believe you. Are you really saying that the TMO is 100% without virtue?! Which implies that it's 100% bad. Is this what you are saying?! On Monday, March 31, 2014 9:18 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: You know Michael, for someone who denigrates any scientific research performed by the TMO, you sure have a way of trying to make a case on a weak set of data. Well, let's be honest. No data. I mean, on the one hand, you state that most people who start, stop soon afterward, and yet you say that the practice of TM can often be responsible for people committing suicide. Do I have that right? Are you saying the long term mediators are far more likely to commit suicide and have emotional problems due to their practice of TM, and participation in the TMO? I wonder how you'd go about backing that up? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : tell that to all the long term meditators who have tried to commit suicide - tell that to the family members of those long term TM'ers who did commit suicide, tell that to the people whose lives have been ruined by their adherence to TM and messing around with the TMO - people who are mental/emotional basket cases from years of TM. They do exist. They are out there and I am willing to bet you know some of them. It is true that TM doesn't hurt some people, but to say that it is good for most is a flat out lie. The numbers have always been jimmied by the TMO and True Believers. Most people who are initiated stop doing TM soon after. On Tue, 4/1/14, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 1:24 AM Steve, I really appreciate how common sensical (is that a valid phrase?) you are in what you say here. Especially the bit about why the TMO changed its approach. And of course, the directly relevant part about twenty minutes meditating being good for most people. On Monday, March 31, 2014 7:08 PM, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Oh that's good Michael. At least a new name from the one I am usually called. Or actually, you are comparing me to something, rather than declaring I am such and such. At any rate, regarding this new approach, so what if they are - distancing themselves from the Hindu roots?
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By talking to the people for whom it has happened, which in fact I have already done. I did not say that long term mediators are far more likely to commit suicide those are your words. If you like TM and the TMO so much Steve, why don't you go work for 'em? If you as real nice and give 'em a whole bunch of money I am sure they'll assign Reed Martin to be your personal supervisor and he can make sure you adhere to all the rules and live a real shore nuff TM life. I am sure it would be Sat Chit Ananda. On Tue, 4/1/14, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, You know Michael, for someone who denigrates any scientific research performed by the TMO, you sure have a way of trying to make a case on a weak set of data. Well, let's be honest. No data. I mean, on the one hand, you state that most people who start, stop soon afterward, and yet you say that the practice of TM can often be responsible for people committing suicide. Do I have that right? Are you saying the long term mediators are far more likely to commit suicide and have emotional problems due to their practice of TM, and participation in the TMO? I wonder how you'd go about backing that up? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : tell that to all the long term meditators who have tried to commit suicide - tell that to the family members of those long term TM'ers who did commit suicide, tell that to the people whose lives have been ruined by their adherence to TM and messing around with the TMO - people who are mental/emotional basket cases from years of TM. They do exist. They are out there and I am willing to bet you know some of them. It is true that TM doesn't hurt some people, but to say that it is good for most is a flat out lie. The numbers have always been jimmied by the TMO and True Believers. Most people who are initiated stop doing TM soon after. On Tue, 4/1/14, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 1:24 AM Steve, I really appreciate how common sensical (is that a valid phrase?) you are in what you say here. Especially the bit about why the TMO changed its approach. And of course, the directly relevant part about twenty minutes meditating being good for most people. On Monday, March 31, 2014 7:08 PM, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Oh that's good Michael. At least a new name from the one I am usually called. Or actually, you are comparing me to something, rather than declaring I am such and such. At any rate, regarding this new approach, so what if they are - distancing themselves from the Hindu roots? Maybe they feel that has been off-putting for many people, and better to downplay it. But as has been pointed out, that is nothing different than has been done from the beginning. Maharishi started with a spiritual approach, and then shifted to a more scientific approach, because it would appeal to more people. You want to get people though the door. You want to get them to the introductory lecture. You want to outline the benefits. I happen to be able to observe some this new approach up close, and it seems to be having some results. That and a lower fee for learning. You are more comfortable making blanket (mostly all negative) statements about the TMO and Maharishi. But like many endeavors, you can choose to participate to whatever degree you like. Meditating for twenty minutes twice a day, would, I think, be a healthy activity for most people. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Come on Steve, be real - you know damn good and well they are distancing themselves from the Hindu roots and from Maharishi himself - if you can't see how disingenuous that is then you are a truly sheared TM sheep. On Mon, 3/31/14, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 31, 2014, 2:55 PM
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C'mon, Nabby - surely Maitreya has told Benjy what he's gonna do with the non-faithful when he comes to power - if you think he's real and he's the living God why are you afraid to tell is what is gonna happen to us? I repeat my question: Tell us Nabster, what is gonna happen to folks like me and Barry, Curtis, everyone who ever reviled Marshy and Creme himself when the Big M, in this case Maitreya, actually shows himself and takes over the world? Eh, what is he gonna do with us spiritual hooligans? And I did get help, that's how I quit doing TM. On Tue, 4/1/14, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 9:26 AM Three words: You Need Help ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Nabby likes ANYONE who claims to be special, above everyone else like Hitler with all his Aryan nonsense. People here find that offensive for me to say so, but the observation is obvious. ANYONE who lords it over everyone else. Tell us Nabster, what is gonna happen to folks like me and Barry, Curtis, everyone who ever reviled Marshy and Creme himself when the Big M, in this case Maitreya, actually shows himself and takes over the world? Eh, what is he gonna do with us spiritual hooligans? On Mon, 3/31/14, anartaxius@... anartaxius@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 31, 2014, 3:56 P Hey Nabby, why are you so down on Buddhists? A few sects of this tradition still produces 'enlightenment', though as with all traditions, there do not seem to be a lot of successes in this department. It does not seem to me that Turq is party to any tradition these days. And, for example, what does Benjamin Creme have to do with enlightenment? Has he gotten you closer to that goal? It seems these days that 'traditions' are going downhill in that the pursuit of spiritual values is taking on a more personal kind of search, and a more secular kind of search for the world's population as a whole, and the more medieval pockets of spirituality, the Christian fundies and Muslim fundies, for example, are actually becoming more isolated in this wash of change. Agnosticism and atheism are on the rise as well as religious persons becoming more non affiliated. From what I have heard locally, TM initiations have improved due to time payment plans and scholarships. The movement has been forced to change its monetary models, otherwise it will disappear. Religions, once the initial cult phase is over generally switch to a donation model once the charms of the leader no longer are relevant. This requires future generations of TBs to be programmed to feel this is a valuable thing to do. Also payment for 'special services' also comes into the picture from time to time. Religious organisations can be in a bind, because in order to preserve their special legacy, they are inhibited from being really creative and coming up with new stuff and new ways to say the same old thing, they tend to say it in the same old way, so unlike a business, they cannot survive on creativity. So models like automatic tithing etc., have to be programmed into the population. This also reduces creativity if it is successful because now the leaders do not have to think intelligently or creatively to maintain the organisation, if they can achieve a regular cash flow in this way. The big problem is keeping the population in the fold, because if enlightenment works, the person is freed from the whole illusion of tradition from which the experience supposedly came, but actually did not. Thus the survival of the organisation ultimately depends on its main benefit becoming scarcer and scarcer as time goes on. Instead of success, people are kept indefinitely in anticipation of success. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : MJ isn't the only loser who struggle with their success these days. When the Turq, in one of his usual rants against the TMO demanded to know how low the Initiations are these days it turned out that their income for 2012 was $ 47,8 million. Since this was published here we haven't heard a word about the matter from the Turq. Perhaps his Buddhist Overlords have convinced him to lay low for a while. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : You''ve always got it figured out Michael. Doesn't matter how many twists and turns you have to make, the conclusion is always the same. So
Re: [FairfieldLife] TM Mantras - Source?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Lawson, I think we all get it that you're a TM science junkie, and that you believe that the science says it all when it comes to TM. Well, as you've noticed, not everyone on this forum (including many long-term TMers) thinks that the TM science is solid enough to prove much of anything. And this is reason to be verbally abusive even if it were true? Get a grip, you ass. The point I am making lately is that you seem unaware of a more pressing criterion that people use when evaluating non-stop claims about the TM science. That is, what IS it that motivates someone to do it non-stop? Are you so unaware that you are incapable of holding a civilized conversation with anyone you don't agree with? Lighten up and talk like a human being with an ounce of manners. Judging from your own posts here, what YOU seem to see as one of your primary ways to have fun is to try to start arguments about TM and its supposed science on Reddit and on other Internet forums. When these threads you post as argument-starters don't pan out the way you want them to, you tend to come back here to FFL and beg other people to go to these other forums to join in. Bawwy's a spin doctor who's a quack. Doesn't this strike you as somewhat...uh...ODD behavior for a grown man? Doesn't it strike you as a bit...uh...fanatical? Doesn't it make you wonder about the person whose life seems to revolve around doing this, when there are so many other things to do with life? Doesn't it make you wonder about the claims that TM helps to make a person more well-rounded or balanced in life? Don't you ever wonder why you have to try and belittle everyone by using the same old insults? Fuck off. Hint: the TM science ain't ever gonna prove diddley-squat if the people presenting it over and over and over and over and over in an obviously compulsive manner come across as cult fanatics. People are going to be tempted to weigh the messenger as much as they weigh the message. And in my opinion, they should. Your opinion might be worth considering if your primary purpose wasn't to shit on everyone with your infantile and, frankly, boring same old same old. When you can decide to get out the the giant rut that passes for your brain get back to me, okay? From: LEnglish5@... LEnglish5@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] TM Mantras - Source? Maharishi chose to use a subset of the mantras that are available,.presumably because his intuition said it was a sufficiently large subset to be useful. Upcoming research on TM using advanced EEG analysis should help make it more clear what it means to be useful. In the meantime, the TM organization is apparently embracing Alaric Arenander's idea that TM centers should start to do public demos of EEG coherence as part of introductory lectures on TM. Here's the main excerpt of the Maharishi Global Family Chat presentation he made: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyITv-rIDzklist=UU0iwNoV7Sptxi1qqWz_R9IA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyITv-rIDzklist=UU0iwNoV7Sptxi1qqWz_R9IA The EEG shown in the video looks to be pretty darned unusual. Certainly, looking at the EEG described in papers published about other meditation practices, it is inescapable to conclude that the EEG found in long-term TMers and long-term practitioners of other techniques are as different as night and day with respect to what starts to show up the longer one has been practicing the various techniques. TM really IS different than other practices that have been studied, with respect to EEG. TM researchers aren't able to get guys like Dietrich Lehmann and Roberto Pascual-Marqui to participate (or so the rumor goes) in multiple EEG studies on advanced TMers because they're excessively charismatic or something. These guys are teh very tip-top in their field. If these guys decide to study something, it is because they think it is interesting and unusual, both. http://www.uzh.ch/keyinst/index/members/lehmann/cv11.htm http://www.uzh.ch/keyinst/index/members/lehmann/cv11.htm http://www.uzh.ch/keyinst/loreta.htm http://www.uzh.ch/keyinst/loreta.htm L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Did I not say that beej mantras are commonly used in astrology not to mention ayurveda? But few westerners had penetrated that information back with MMY started TM. Funny thing it is not uncommon to find that people's names start with the sound associated with their birth star (nakshatra) even if they are westerners and their parents knew nothing about astrology. As Graffitiswami might say: Go figure. On 03/30/2014 07:44 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: The comments section is well worth reading, esp the long one from John:
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield
I may (or may not) get to the rest of this post of Barry's later, but I just can't resist highlighting this bit, because it gave me such a belly laugh: What have her *accomplishments* been in those 70+ years? It seems to me, based on what she has posted here and on other forums, that they consist of living in a tiny apartment above a garage in New Jersey Above a garage is most certainly not based on anything I have posted to FFL or on any other forum. It's something Barry made up in his own disturbed mind. I don't live above a garage, I live on the second floor of a two-story building composed of 24 condo units, all one-bedroom, smallish but hardly tiny. My unit is at one end, the prime location in the building, with a view of the ocean (the building is a block from the beach). For now, I'll simply point out that the rest of Barry's bio of me isn't any more accurate than his description of my home.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : I may (or may not) get to the rest of this post of Barry's later, but I just can't resist highlighting this bit, because it gave me such a belly laugh: What have her *accomplishments* been in those 70+ years? It seems to me, based on what she has posted here and on other forums, that they consist of living in a tiny apartment above a garage in New Jersey Above a garage is most certainly not based on anything I have posted to FFL or on any other forum. It's something Barry made up in his own disturbed mind. I don't live above a garage, I live on the second floor of a two-story building composed of 24 condo units, all one-bedroom, smallish but hardly tiny. My unit is at one end, the prime location in the building, with a view of the ocean (the building is a block from the beach). For now, I'll simply point out that the rest of Barry's bio of me isn't any more accurate than his description of my home. Poor Bawwy has this incessant need to make everyone else's lives seem so mundane, so insignificant, so paltry while at the same time elevating his own to the status of erudite globe-trotter with an independence of spirit and outlook that would put us all to shame. Now Judy, settle back in your hovel above that garage in stinky New Jersey and weep while you envy Bawwy for all his great fortune and wealth and popularity as he fights off the women for his attention. He is such a legend in his own mind.
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He'll probably send you somewhere with padded rooms :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : C'mon, Nabby - surely Maitreya has told Benjy what he's gonna do with the non-faithful when he comes to power - if you think he's real and he's the living God why are you afraid to tell is what is gonna happen to us? I repeat my question: Tell us Nabster, what is gonna happen to folks like me and Barry, Curtis, everyone who ever reviled Marshy and Creme himself when the Big M, in this case Maitreya, actually shows himself and takes over the world? Eh, what is he gonna do with us spiritual hooligans? And I did get help, that's how I quit doing TM. On Tue, 4/1/14, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 9:26 AM Three words: You Need Help ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Nabby likes ANYONE who claims to be special, above everyone else like Hitler with all his Aryan nonsense. People here find that offensive for me to say so, but the observation is obvious. ANYONE who lords it over everyone else. Tell us Nabster, what is gonna happen to folks like me and Barry, Curtis, everyone who ever reviled Marshy and Creme himself when the Big M, in this case Maitreya, actually shows himself and takes over the world? Eh, what is he gonna do with us spiritual hooligans? On Mon, 3/31/14, anartaxius@... anartaxius@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 31, 2014, 3:56 P Hey Nabby, why are you so down on Buddhists? A few sects of this tradition still produces 'enlightenment', though as with all traditions, there do not seem to be a lot of successes in this department. It does not seem to me that Turq is party to any tradition these days. And, for example, what does Benjamin Creme have to do with enlightenment? Has he gotten you closer to that goal? It seems these days that 'traditions' are going downhill in that the pursuit of spiritual values is taking on a more personal kind of search, and a more secular kind of search for the world's population as a whole, and the more medieval pockets of spirituality, the Christian fundies and Muslim fundies, for example, are actually becoming more isolated in this wash of change. Agnosticism and atheism are on the rise as well as religious persons becoming more non affiliated. From what I have heard locally, TM initiations have improved due to time payment plans and scholarships. The movement has been forced to change its monetary models, otherwise it will disappear. Religions, once the initial cult phase is over generally switch to a donation model once the charms of the leader no longer are relevant. This requires future generations of TBs to be programmed to feel this is a valuable thing to do. Also payment for 'special services' also comes into the picture from time to time. Religious organisations can be in a bind, because in order to preserve their special legacy, they are inhibited from being really creative and coming up with new stuff and new ways to say the same old thing, they tend to say it in the same old way, so unlike a business, they cannot survive on creativity. So models like automatic tithing etc., have to be programmed into the population. This also reduces creativity if it is successful because now the leaders do not have to think intelligently or creatively to maintain the organisation, if they can achieve a regular cash flow in this way. The big problem is keeping the population in the fold, because if enlightenment works, the person is freed from the whole illusion of tradition from which the experience supposedly came, but actually did not. Thus the survival of the organisation ultimately depends on its main benefit becoming scarcer and scarcer as time goes on. Instead of success, people are kept indefinitely in anticipation of success. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : MJ isn't the only loser who struggle with their success these days. When the Turq, in one of his usual rants against the TMO demanded to know how low the Initiations are these days it turned out that their income for 2012 was $ 47,8 million. Since this was published here we haven't heard a word about the matter from the Turq.
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You're right. It's truly amazing to watch how well the longtimers who started TM in the 60's are doing. They started and stuck to it, not wavering and being tossed about like a ball at the field like so many posters here. Several of those I know are above 100 years of age, fit as fiddles, driving cars and goes on vacation to other Continents when most of their non-meditating friends have kicked the bucket long time ago. What better testimony to the long-time effects to TM is there ? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Yes, one can selectively choose data that supports their beliefs, and ignore all the rest. I am thinking of the many people I know who have remained steady in their practice, and dedicated to the organization and it's founder. They are people who garner respect from society in general. Implying they are cult apologists speaks only about the person making the accusation than those they are accusing. That's what I think. (-: Thanks for your comments. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, since you asked me what I think (-: I think we all have apologist tendencies to some degree. Meaning that we all have parts of our brain that are still developing and maturing, are not yet fully developed. Based on my own experience and understanding, I think TM is excellent for giving deep rest to the whole individual; and that the TMSP is an excellent program for fully developing the brain and mind body coordination. OTOH none of us know 100% for sure whether TM is a good thing or a bad thing. Bottom line, each of us must come to our own conclusions about everything. And then live with the consequences of holding those conclusions. It seems to be a big part of being human. Go figure! On Monday, March 31, 2014 9:31 PM, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: should be, you might be a cult apologist, if ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Hi Share, I thought so too! But if you're having a discussion with someone who finds nefarious intent in any and every action of an organization he doesn't like, then I guess you are cult apologist If Michael writing skills are worth much, I'd like to see a piece along the lines of: You know you're a TM cult apologist if: (now conjecturing about what Michael might say) If you ever gave Maharishi a flower. If you ever sang puja, and had a good feeling afterward. If you ever said Jai Guru Dev twice in one day. If you ever gave someone a lift to the dome. If you dared to suggest on a public forum that someone who posts non stop comments about how bad an organization is, might be just a wee bit out a whack, then you are a cult follower. Whaddya think! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, I really appreciate how common sensical (is that a valid phrase?) you are in what you say here. Especially the bit about why the TMO changed its approach. And of course, the directly relevant part about twenty minutes meditating being good for most people. On Monday, March 31, 2014 7:08 PM, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Oh that's good Michael. At least a new name from the one I am usually called. Or actually, you are comparing me to something, rather than declaring I am such and such. At any rate, regarding this new approach, so what if they are - distancing themselves from the Hindu roots? Maybe they feel that has been off-putting for many people, and better to downplay it. But as has been pointed out, that is nothing different than has been done from the beginning. Maharishi started with a spiritual approach, and then shifted to a more scientific approach, because it would appeal to more people. You want to get people though the door. You want to get them to the introductory lecture. You want to outline the benefits. I happen to be able to observe some this new approach up close, and it seems to be having some results. That and a lower fee for learning. You are more comfortable making blanket (mostly all negative) statements about the TMO and Maharishi. But like many endeavors, you can choose to participate to whatever degree you like. Meditating for twenty minutes twice a day, would, I think, be a healthy activity for most people. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Come on Steve, be real - you know damn good and well they are distancing themselves from the Hindu roots and from Maharishi himself - if you can't see how disingenuous that is then you are a truly sheared TM sheep. On Mon, 3/31/14, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield To:
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The thing is, living in Amsterdam really DOES make it easy to get laid whenever you want. If nothing else, the red light district is a legal, well-policed section of town... L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : I may (or may not) get to the rest of this post of Barry's later, but I just can't resist highlighting this bit, because it gave me such a belly laugh: What have her *accomplishments* been in those 70+ years? It seems to me, based on what she has posted here and on other forums, that they consist of living in a tiny apartment above a garage in New Jersey Above a garage is most certainly not based on anything I have posted to FFL or on any other forum. It's something Barry made up in his own disturbed mind. I don't live above a garage, I live on the second floor of a two-story building composed of 24 condo units, all one-bedroom, smallish but hardly tiny. My unit is at one end, the prime location in the building, with a view of the ocean (the building is a block from the beach). For now, I'll simply point out that the rest of Barry's bio of me isn't any more accurate than his description of my home. Poor Bawwy has this incessant need to make everyone else's lives seem so mundane, so insignificant, so paltry while at the same time elevating his own to the status of erudite globe-trotter with an independence of spirit and outlook that would put us all to shame. Now Judy, settle back in your hovel above that garage in stinky New Jersey and weep while you envy Bawwy for all his great fortune and wealth and popularity as he fights off the women for his attention. He is such a legend in his own mind.
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Michael, you've given me a laugh this morning. I mean, really, you are employing third grade logic here, If you like TM and TMO so much, why don't you work for 'em Let me recall some phrases from my kids, when they were younger. If you like Oreos so much, why don't you marry them If you like that bike so much, why don't you marry it I'll try to reply more like an adult. I graduated from MUM, and began a different phase of my life. My practice of meditation and the TMSP continued after I got married, and until our first son was born. Then responsibilities of parenting took over. It may be that after the kids are grown, I may be able to get back to my practice in a more regular fashion. I know it is difficult for you decipher anything other than black and white wr to the TM program, but that is the way it's worked out for me, and many others. Now, unfortunately, it may be useless to engage like this, since, you will revert to your familiar rut,apparently because of unresolved issues wr to TM, but putting it out there anyway. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : By talking to the people for whom it has happened, which in fact I have already done. I did not say that long term mediators are far more likely to commit suicide those are your words. If you like TM and the TMO so much Steve, why don't you go work for 'em? If you as real nice and give 'em a whole bunch of money I am sure they'll assign Reed Martin to be your personal supervisor and he can make sure you adhere to all the rules and live a real shore nuff TM life. I am sure it would be Sat Chit Ananda. On Tue, 4/1/14, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, You know Michael, for someone who denigrates any scientific research performed by the TMO, you sure have a way of trying to make a case on a weak set of data. Well, let's be honest. No data. I mean, on the one hand, you state that most people who start, stop soon afterward, and yet you say that the practice of TM can often be responsible for people committing suicide. Do I have that right? Are you saying the long term mediators are far more likely to commit suicide and have emotional problems due to their practice of TM, and participation in the TMO? I wonder how you'd go about backing that up? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : tell that to all the long term meditators who have tried to commit suicide - tell that to the family members of those long term TM'ers who did commit suicide, tell that to the people whose lives have been ruined by their adherence to TM and messing around with the TMO - people who are mental/emotional basket cases from years of TM. They do exist. They are out there and I am willing to bet you know some of them. It is true that TM doesn't hurt some people, but to say that it is good for most is a flat out lie. The numbers have always been jimmied by the TMO and True Believers. Most people who are initiated stop doing TM soon after. On Tue, 4/1/14, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com; FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 1:24 AM Steve, I really appreciate how common sensical (is that a valid phrase?) you are in what you say here. Especially the bit about why the TMO changed its approach. And of course, the directly relevant part about twenty minutes meditating being good for most people. On Monday, March 31, 2014 7:08 PM, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Oh that's good Michael. At least a new name from the one I am usually called. Or actually, you are comparing me to something, rather than declaring I am such and such. At any rate, regarding this new approach, so what if they are - distancing themselves from the Hindu roots? Maybe they feel that has been off-putting for many people, and better to downplay it. But as has been pointed out, that is nothing different than has been done from the beginning. Maharishi started with a spiritual approach, and then shifted to a more scientific approach, because it would appeal to
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Reed Martin is waiting On Tue, 4/1/14, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 2:20 PM Michael, you've given me a laugh this morning. I mean, really, you are employing third grade logic here, If you like TM and TMO so much, why don't you work for 'em Let me recall some phrases from my kids, when they were younger. If you like Oreos so much, why don't you marry them If you like that bike so much, why don't you marry it I'll try to reply more like an adult. I graduated from MUM, and began a different phase of my life. My practice of meditation and the TMSP continued after I got married, and until our first son was born. Then responsibilities of parenting took over. It may be that after the kids are grown, I may be able to get back to my practice in a more regular fashion. I know it is difficult for you decipher anything other than black and white wr to the TM program, but that is the way it's worked out for me, and many others. Now, unfortunately, it may be useless to engage like this, since, you will revert to your familiar rut,apparently because of unresolved issues wr to TM, but putting it out there anyway. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : By talking to the people for whom it has happened, which in fact I have already done. I did not say that long term mediators are far more likely to commit suicide those are your words. If you like TM and the TMO so much Steve, why don't you go work for 'em? If you as real nice and give 'em a whole bunch of money I am sure they'll assign Reed Martin to be your personal supervisor and he can make sure you adhere to all the rules and live a real shore nuff TM life. I am sure it would be Sat Chit Ananda. On Tue, 4/1/14, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, You know Michael, for someone who denigrates any scientific research performed by the TMO, you sure have a way of trying to make a case on a weak set of data. Well, let's be honest. No data. I mean, on the one hand, you state that most people who start, stop soon afterward, and yet you say that the practice of TM can often be responsible for people committing suicide. Do I have that right? Are you saying the long term mediators are far more likely to commit suicide and have emotional problems due to their practice of TM, and participation in the TMO? I wonder how you'd go about backing that up? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : tell that to all the long term meditators who have tried to commit suicide - tell that to the family members of those long term TM'ers who did commit suicide, tell that to the people whose lives have been ruined by their adherence to TM and messing around with the TMO - people who are mental/emotional basket cases from years of TM. They do exist. They are out there and I am willing to bet you know some of them. It is true that TM doesn't hurt some people, but to say that it is good for most is a flat out lie. The numbers have always been jimmied by the TMO and True Believers. Most people who are initiated stop doing TM soon after. On Tue, 4/1/14, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 1:24 AM Steve, I really appreciate how common sensical (is that a valid phrase?) you are in what you say here. Especially the bit about why the TMO changed its approach. And of course, the directly relevant part about twenty minutes meditating being good for most people. On Monday, March 31, 2014 7:08 PM, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Oh that's good Michael. At least a new name from the one I am usually called. Or actually, you are comparing me to something, rather than
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Michael, imo, nothing and no one in this world is either 100% bad or 100% good. So on that level I disagree with you. Moreover, I think TM and TMSP continue to relieve suffering and help many people develop fully as human beings. And I don't think that development and full development are going to look the same way for every person. To expect that is, I think, to again engage in black and white thinking. On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 8:25 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote: Given the fact that the TMO is an organization that lives off lies, gets everyone else to fund them so the leadership doesn't actually have to have real jobs - in other words they are living parasitically off the rank and file TM'ers - the fact that they live off of and perpetuate many blatant lies such as don't expose yourself to full solar eclipse cuz the demons and bad karma will get you, if you live in a non-Marshy Vastu home, you will have all kinds of problems and the fact that much of their inner level marketing (meaning their marketing to True Believers on the inner levels of the Movement) is done through fear mongering (telling you all the bad stuff that is gone happen if you don't do as they say, live as they tell you to live and give them the money they are begging for) then yes I would have to say it has become 100% unpleasant and if you want to call it that, bad. What does the TMO actually DO for anyone except get you to accept bizarre beliefs and live a bizarre lifestyle and give them your money? What do they actually DO for people? ANYONE who has ever worked for the Movement can attest to these things - the TMO always gets paid, they never pay out. They routinely lie and manipulate people. If you are giving of your time, effort energy money to them, they love you, as long as you jump through their hoops, but when you can't, even through illness give to them any longer, they cut you loose and turn their backs on you. They focus ONLY on those who keep them up and give what they want. That alone is enough to show what kind of people run the damn organization and the fact that TM ain't no panacea. On Tue, 4/1/14, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 2:27 AM Michael, when you make such extreme statements like the one about finding virtue in the TMO where none exists, then you lose me and, I would guess, anyone who was beginning to believe you. Are you really saying that the TMO is 100% without virtue?! Which implies that it's 100% bad. Is this what you are saying?! On Monday, March 31, 2014 9:18 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: You know Michael, for someone who denigrates any scientific research performed by the TMO, you sure have a way of trying to make a case on a weak set of data. Well, let's be honest. No data. I mean, on the one hand, you state that most people who start, stop soon afterward, and yet you say that the practice of TM can often be responsible for people committing suicide. Do I have that right? Are you saying the long term mediators are far more likely to commit suicide and have emotional problems due to their practice of TM, and participation in the TMO? I wonder how you'd go about backing that up? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : tell that to all the long term meditators who have tried to commit suicide - tell that to the family members of those long term TM'ers who did commit suicide, tell that to the people whose lives have been ruined by their adherence to TM and messing around with the TMO - people who are mental/emotional basket cases from years of TM. They do exist. They are out there and I am willing to bet you know some of them. It is true that TM doesn't hurt some people, but to say that it is good for most is a flat out lie. The numbers have always been jimmied by the TMO and True Believers. Most people who are initiated stop doing TM soon after. On Tue, 4/1/14, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 1:24 AM Steve, I really appreciate how common sensical (is that a valid phrase?) you are in what you say here. Especially the bit about why the TMO changed its approach. And of course, the directly relevant part about twenty minutes meditating being good for most people. On Monday, March 31, 2014 7:08 PM, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Oh that's good Michael. At least a new name from the one I am
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And yet were I to aim this anger at a corrupt government or a corrupt corporation like Monsanto you would applaud me. You deal with your TM past as you like and I'll deal with mine as I see fit. I didn't ask you for advice as to how to live my life and I am not gonna offer you any, unless you would like to take a spoonful of your own suggested medicine and deal with your anger toward Barry rather than continue to revile him, otherwise you won't as you say, be able to move on and forget about it all. After all, if your unsolicited advice is good for the gander, its bound to be good for the goose too. Here is what I think. I think anyone who is bitterly disappointed about something is someone who fell lock, stock and barrel for something - whether it be a risky investment, the promises of a lover or the teachings of a guru. I think bitterness follows upon gullibility. I also think those who blame somebody or something to the degree to which you blame MMY and the Movement is someone who had stars in their eyes and was naive. I like you Michael but you need to take some responsibility for what you feel and why you feel it when it comes to TM. You should have been more objective, less idealistic and less naive and if so you may have been able to let it all go by now. Until you take responsibility for your own part in how much of the TM propaganda you swallowed you won't be able to move on and forget about it all.
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Michael, you say some pretty nasty things about some individuals here and I
wonder when was the last time you had direct contact with them. I know most of
the people on your list, and have had my disagreements with a few of them. But
based on my current contact with them, I'd say they are really good people,
like John Brigante whom you mentioned, and they are dedicated to making the
world a better place for everyone.
I don't think it's right or healthy for you to say such negative things about
people with whom you haven't had contact for decades. In fact to me, it seems
down right, very much out of balance.
On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 8:16 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote:
that shouldn't have a single thing to do with people who do TM - the PR on TM
is that it improves life on ALL levels - mental, physical, emotional,
relationships and the implication is made that money issues will disappear with
the improved all around functioning of the individual brought on by regular TM
and TMSP practice and is flat out stated that money problems will go away if
one has MAHARISHI yagyas and lives in a MAHARISHI vastu designed house.
yet the evidence is undeniable that TM'ers do unfortunate things such as commit
suicide and do bad things like rape, robbery, professors who target students
for sex (that's right I'm talking 'bout John Hagelin) commit fraud (like
Beckley) - you yourself David have complained loudly and often about the
behavior of Bevan Morris whose draconian methods of control according to you
have kept Dome numbers low.
You can't accept that the long term meditators can have anything wrong with
them that can be attributed to the practice itself, so you have to lay it off
on factors that, by the TMO's own PR should have been eliminated with TM and
its adjunct programs. Yet you continue to excuse TM and the TMO and say there
are mitigating factors. If its upbringing, the practice of TM corrects those
factors, that's what the TMO says.
So how do these behaviors manifest in a long term TM'er? Those more
esoterically minded lay it off on personal karma yet we have been told by the
Grand Liar Marshy that TM practice releases karma. Look, either TM works AS
ADVERTISED or it doesn't. And it is obvious that it doesn't. So you have to
make excuses. I have always acknowledged that TM is an enjoyable practice for
some people and some people are very decent folks whom I have known who are
True Blue Believers, but not because they do TM. As to TM teachers, its the
same thing. If they would have been decent people without TM, they are with TM
and if they are asses without TM, they will be asses with TM.
One example is John Briganti, used to teach in Charleston SC - I have not seen
him in many years, but when I first met him on the first residence course I
ever took, he was a down to earth very decent man who did not give bullshit
answers to questions nor always take the TM party line and he treated everyone
he met with courtesy and respect. Gene Speigel who was in charge of the Atlanta
TM Center when it was the Area Capitol in charge of the TM Centers in several
South Eastern states and who taught my third residence course was an arrogant,
abrasive, abusive sorry son of a bitch and while I have not seen him in years
either, I bet he still is - has nothing to do with TM either way. Except for
one thing:
It sure seems that those who are natural sons of bitches like Gene Speigel,
Chris Crowell, Susan Humphries, Greg and Georgina Wilson, Bevan Moriss, that
arrogant ass Neil Patterson, Bill Sands, Reed Martin ('member him Steve? The
one who kept you from going to Zambia?) remain natural sons of bitches and
those who are naturally nice people remain nice people - TM makes no dent in
one's personality whatsoever with one odd exception and that is much like Nazi
Germany, those who were most like the leader -arrogant, abusive, elitist seem
to rise to the top levels of the TMO - must be collective karma.
Bottom line is TM and TMSP is a nice thing that makes some people feel nice
inside themselves, sometimes for decades. The same practice causes mental
instability, emotional problems and leads to other problems too - you can lay
it off on their personal karma or whatever you like, but the rubber never
meets the road where TM is concerned and you have to make excuses for the
practice and for the TMO. I know that you personally David believe that TMSP
will save the world, and God Bless you for your desire to make that happen, but
I hope you are not holding your breath as you wait.
On Tue, 4/1/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 2:55 AM
Bad socialization in an upbringing can be seen
anywhere in a
people at any
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Share, why on earth should you be the first person to take MJ seriously ? The
fellow proved years ago here that he is in need of professional care. Don't
waste your time.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Michael, you say some pretty nasty things about some individuals here and I
wonder when was the last time you had direct contact with them. I know most of
the people on your list, and have had my disagreements with a few of them. But
based on my current contact with them, I'd say they are really good people,
like John Brigante whom you mentioned, and they are dedicated to making the
world a better place for everyone.
I don't think it's right or healthy for you to say such negative things about
people with whom you haven't had contact for decades. In fact to me, it seems
down right, very much out of balance.
On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 8:16 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:
that shouldn't have a single thing to do with people who do TM - the PR on
TM is that it improves life on ALL levels - mental, physical, emotional,
relationships and the implication is made that money issues will disappear with
the improved all around functioning of the individual brought on by regular TM
and TMSP practice and is flat out stated that money problems will go away if
one has MAHARISHI yagyas and lives in a MAHARISHI vastu designed house.
yet the evidence is undeniable that TM'ers do unfortunate things such as
commit suicide and do bad things like rape, robbery, professors who target
students for sex (that's right I'm talking 'bout John Hagelin) commit fraud
(like Beckley) - you yourself David have complained loudly and often about the
behavior of Bevan Morris whose draconian methods of control according to you
have kept Dome numbers low.
You can't accept that the long term meditators can have anything wrong with
them that can be attributed to the practice itself, so you have to lay it off
on factors that, by the TMO's own PR should have been eliminated with TM and
its adjunct programs. Yet you continue to excuse TM and the TMO and say there
are mitigating factors. If its upbringing, the practice of TM corrects those
factors, that's what the TMO says.
So how do these behaviors manifest in a long term TM'er? Those more
esoterically minded lay it off on personal karma yet we have been told by the
Grand Liar Marshy that TM practice releases karma. Look, either TM works AS
ADVERTISED or it doesn't. And it is obvious that it doesn't. So you have to
make excuses. I have always acknowledged that TM is an enjoyable practice for
some people and some people are very decent folks whom I have known who are
True Blue Believers, but not because they do TM. As to TM teachers, its the
same thing. If they would have been decent people without TM, they are with TM
and if they are asses without TM, they will be asses with TM.
One example is John Briganti, used to teach in Charleston SC - I have not seen
him in many years, but when I first met him on the first residence course I
ever took, he was a down to earth very decent man who did not give bullshit
answers to questions nor always take the TM party line and he treated everyone
he met with courtesy and respect. Gene Speigel who was in charge of the Atlanta
TM Center when it was the Area Capitol in charge of the TM Centers in several
South Eastern states and who taught my third residence course was an arrogant,
abrasive, abusive sorry son of a bitch and while I have not seen him in years
either, I bet he still is - has nothing to do with TM either way. Except for
one thing:
It sure seems that those who are natural sons of bitches like Gene Speigel,
Chris Crowell, Susan Humphries, Greg and Georgina Wilson, Bevan Moriss, that
arrogant ass Neil Patterson, Bill Sands, Reed Martin ('member him Steve? The
one who kept you from going to Zambia?) remain natural sons of bitches and
those who are naturally nice people remain nice people - TM makes no dent in
one's personality whatsoever with one odd exception and that is much like Nazi
Germany, those who were most like the leader -arrogant, abusive, elitist seem
to rise to the top levels of the TMO - must be collective karma.
Bottom line is TM and TMSP is a nice thing that makes some people feel nice
inside themselves, sometimes for decades. The same practice causes mental
instability, emotional problems and leads to other problems too - you can lay
it off on their personal karma or whatever you like, but the rubber never
meets the road where TM is concerned and you have to make excuses for the
practice and for the TMO. I know that you personally David believe that TMSP
will save the world, and God Bless you for your desire to make that happen, but
I hope you are not holding your breath as you wait.
On Tue, 4/1/14, dhamiltony2k5@... dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:
Subject: Re:
RE: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield
To say that “black and white thinking is EXACTLY what the TMO engages in and exactly how they advertise TM” is itself an expression of black and white thinking. From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Share Long Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 9:52 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield Michael, now you're making a blanket and thus invalid statement! Are you saying that everyone in the TMO engages in black and white thinking all the time?! Even from the point of view of logic, how could that possibly be true?! But as a counter example, how about what Rick recently posted from Hagelin about the community? Was every sentence of that an expression of black and white thinking?! On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 9:44 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com mailto:mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote: you ignore the fact that black and white thinking is EXACTLY what what the TMO engages in and exactly how they advertise TM - if you believe them, one size does fit all. On Tue, 4/1/14, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com mailto:sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 2:39 PM Michael, imo, nothing and no one in this world is either 100% bad or 100% good. So on that level I disagree with you. Moreover, I think TM and TMSP continue to relieve suffering and help many people develop fully as human beings. And I don't think that development and full development are going to look the same way for every person. To expect that is, I think, to again engage in black and white thinking. On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 8:25 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com mailto:mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote: Given the fact that the TMO is an organization that lives off lies, gets everyone else to fund them so the leadership doesn't actually have to have real jobs - in other words they are living parasitically off the rank and file TM'ers - the fact that they live off of and perpetuate many blatant lies such as don't expose yourself to full solar eclipse cuz the demons and bad karma will get you, if you live in a non-Marshy Vastu home, you will have all kinds of problems and the fact that much of their inner level marketing (meaning their marketing to True Believers on the inner levels of the Movement) is done through fear mongering (telling you all the bad stuff that is gone happen if you don't do as they say, live as they tell you to live and give them the money they are begging for) then yes I would have to say it has become 100% unpleasant and if you want to call it that, bad. What does the TMO actually DO for anyone except get you to accept bizarre beliefs and live a bizarre lifestyle and give them your money? What do they actually DO for people? ANYONE who has ever worked for the Movement can attest to these things - the TMO always gets paid, they never pay out. They routinely lie and manipulate people. If you are giving of your time, effort energy money to them, they love you, as long as you jump through their hoops, but when you can't, even through illness give to them any longer, they cut you loose and turn their backs on you. They focus ONLY on those who keep them up and give what they want. That alone is enough to show what kind of people run the damn organization and the fact that TM ain't no panacea. On Tue, 4/1/14, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com mailto:sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 2:27 AM Michael, when you make such extreme statements like the one about finding virtue in the TMO where none exists, then you lose me and, I would guess, anyone who was beginning to believe you. Are you really saying that the TMO is 100% without virtue?! Which implies that it's 100% bad. Is this what you are saying?! On Monday, March 31, 2014 9:18 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com mailto:steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com mailto:steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: You know Michael, for someone who denigrates any scientific research performed by the TMO, you sure have a way of trying to make a case on a weak set of data. Well, let's be honest. No data. I mean, on the one hand, you state that most people who start, stop soon afterward, and yet you say that the practice of TM can often be responsible for people committing suicide. Do I have that right? Are you
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : And yet were I to aim this anger at a corrupt government or a corrupt corporation like Monsanto you would applaud me. Maybe, maybe not. It would depend upon whether I agreed with you that it was corrupt or not and I would have to consider your reasoning for why you would believe so. You're also assuming I think Monsanto is corrupt. You deal with your TM past as you like and I'll deal with mine as I see fit. That seems like an obvious statement. I didn't ask you for advice as to how to live my life and I am not gonna offer you any, unless you would like to take a spoonful of your own suggested medicine and deal with your anger toward Barry rather than continue to revile him, otherwise you won't as you say, be able to move on and forget about it all. I am still interested in knowing what aspect of your own gullibility for what the Movement fed you led you to feel the way you do now? You haven't actually addressed anything I brought up in my post to you, but rage on since it seems to make you feel better. And as for Bawwy, the moment he shows any tendency or ability to elevate himself above his shallow and mean-spirited fantasy world I am all ears. After all, if your unsolicited advice is good for the gander, its bound to be good for the goose too. I am not sure I was giving you advice. I was making an observation based on what I have learned in my life. If you don't think it applies to you then slough it off and carry on. I'm still not sure where you're going with it all but if you're willing to keep carrying the baggage around, be my guest. I have a few bags of my own you could carry if you'd like to add to your load. Here is what I think. I think anyone who is bitterly disappointed about something is someone who fell lock, stock and barrel for something - whether it be a risky investment, the promises of a lover or the teachings of a guru. I think bitterness follows upon gullibility. I also think those who blame somebody or something to the degree to which you blame MMY and the Movement is someone who had stars in their eyes and was naive. I like you Michael but you need to take some responsibility for what you feel and why you feel it when it comes to TM. You should have been more objective, less idealistic and less naive and if so you may have been able to let it all go by now. Until you take responsibility for your own part in how much of the TM propaganda you swallowed you won't be able to move on and forget about it all.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield
Thanks, Judy, I was replying to the connotation of the word apologist as I interpreted it in what Michael was saying. It does seem to have had, from the beginning, the connotation of defending a belief or idea that is somewhat unreasonable and or unproveable. On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 7:13 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Share, do you know what apologist means? Steve, since you asked me what I think (-: I think we all have apologist tendencies to some degree. Meaning that we all have parts of our brain that are still developing and maturing, are not yet fully developed. Because you seem to be saying here that being an apologist indicates that one is not fully developed, i.e., that apologist tendencies indicate a lack of maturity. You might just want to check out the actual meaning of the term: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apologetics
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund
Nablusoss, he's naming names of people who continue to contribute good to my
life. I'm responding to show lurkers etc. another perspective.
On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 9:56 AM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
wrote:
Share, why on earth should you be the first person to take MJ seriously ? The
fellow proved years ago here that he is in need of professional care. Don't
waste your time.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Michael, you say some pretty nasty things about some individuals here and I
wonder when was the last time you had direct contact with them. I know most of
the people on your list, and have had my disagreements with a few of them. But
based on my current contact with them, I'd say they are really good people,
like John Brigante whom you mentioned, and they are dedicated to making the
world a better place for everyone.
I don't think it's right or healthy for you to say such negative things about
people with whom you haven't had contact for decades. In fact to me, it seems
down right, very much out of balance.
On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 8:16 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:
that shouldn't have a single thing to do with people who do TM - the PR on TM
is that it improves life on ALL levels - mental, physical, emotional,
relationships and the implication is made that money issues will disappear with
the improved all around functioning of the individual brought on by regular TM
and TMSP practice and is flat out stated that money problems will go away if
one has MAHARISHI yagyas and lives in a MAHARISHI vastu designed house.
yet the evidence is undeniable that TM'ers do unfortunate things such as commit
suicide and do bad things like rape, robbery, professors who target students
for sex (that's right I'm talking 'bout John Hagelin) commit fraud (like
Beckley) - you yourself David have complained loudly and often about the
behavior of Bevan Morris whose draconian methods of control according to you
have kept Dome numbers low.
You can't accept that the long term meditators can have anything wrong with
them that can be attributed to the practice itself, so you have to lay it off
on factors that, by the TMO's own PR should have been eliminated with TM and
its adjunct programs. Yet you continue to excuse TM and the TMO and say there
are mitigating factors. If its upbringing, the practice of TM corrects those
factors, that's what the TMO says.
So how do these behaviors manifest in a long term TM'er? Those more
esoterically minded lay it off on personal karma yet we have been told by the
Grand Liar Marshy that TM practice releases karma. Look, either TM works AS
ADVERTISED or it doesn't. And it is obvious that it doesn't. So you have to
make excuses. I have always acknowledged that TM is an enjoyable practice for
some people and some people are very decent folks whom I have known who are
True Blue Believers, but not because they do TM. As to TM teachers, its the
same thing. If they would have been decent people without TM, they are with TM
and if they are asses without TM, they will be asses with TM.
One example is John Briganti, used to teach in Charleston SC - I have not seen
him in many years, but when I first met him on the first residence course I
ever took, he was a down to earth very decent man who did not give bullshit
answers to questions nor always take the TM party line and he treated everyone
he met with courtesy and respect. Gene Speigel who was in charge of the Atlanta
TM Center when it was the Area Capitol in charge of the TM Centers in several
South Eastern states and who taught my third residence course was an arrogant,
abrasive, abusive sorry son of a bitch and while I have not seen him in years
either, I bet he still is - has nothing to do with TM either way. Except for
one thing:
It sure seems that those who are natural sons of bitches like Gene Speigel,
Chris Crowell, Susan Humphries, Greg and Georgina Wilson, Bevan Moriss, that
arrogant ass Neil Patterson, Bill Sands, Reed Martin ('member him Steve? The
one who kept you from going to Zambia?) remain natural sons of bitches and
those who are naturally nice people remain nice people - TM makes no dent in
one's personality whatsoever with one odd exception and that is much like Nazi
Germany, those who were most like the leader -arrogant, abusive, elitist seem
to rise to the top levels of the TMO - must be collective karma.
Bottom line is TM and TMSP is a nice thing that makes some people feel nice
inside themselves, sometimes for decades. The same practice causes mental
instability, emotional problems and leads to other problems too - you can lay
it off on their personal karma or whatever you like, but the rubber never
meets the road where TM is concerned and you have to make excuses for the
practice and for the TMO. I know that you personally David believe that TMSP
will save the world, and God Bless you for your
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund
As much as I appreciate your call for decency it seems you've fallen in the
same trap as the Turq who believe there are tons of lurkers here eagerly
awaiting his raps. There aren't. Only a handful of people read this stuff.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Nablusoss, he's naming names of people who continue to contribute good to my
life. I'm responding to show lurkers etc. another perspective.
On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 9:56 AM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
wrote:
Share, why on earth should you be the first person to take MJ seriously ? The
fellow proved years ago here that he is in need of professional care. Don't
waste your time.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Michael, you say some pretty nasty things about some individuals here and I
wonder when was the last time you had direct contact with them. I know most of
the people on your list, and have had my disagreements with a few of them. But
based on my current contact with them, I'd say they are really good people,
like John Brigante whom you mentioned, and they are dedicated to making the
world a better place for everyone.
I don't think it's right or healthy for you to say such negative things about
people with whom you haven't had contact for decades. In fact to me, it seems
down right, very much out of balance.
On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 8:16 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:
that shouldn't have a single thing to do with people who do TM - the PR on
TM is that it improves life on ALL levels - mental, physical, emotional,
relationships and the implication is made that money issues will disappear with
the improved all around functioning of the individual brought on by regular TM
and TMSP practice and is flat out stated that money problems will go away if
one has MAHARISHI yagyas and lives in a MAHARISHI vastu designed house.
yet the evidence is undeniable that TM'ers do unfortunate things such as
commit suicide and do bad things like rape, robbery, professors who target
students for sex (that's right I'm talking 'bout John Hagelin) commit fraud
(like Beckley) - you yourself David have complained loudly and often about the
behavior of Bevan Morris whose draconian methods of control according to you
have kept Dome numbers low.
You can't accept that the long term meditators can have anything wrong with
them that can be attributed to the practice itself, so you have to lay it off
on factors that, by the TMO's own PR should have been eliminated with TM and
its adjunct programs. Yet you continue to excuse TM and the TMO and say there
are mitigating factors. If its upbringing, the practice of TM corrects those
factors, that's what the TMO says.
So how do these behaviors manifest in a long term TM'er? Those more
esoterically minded lay it off on personal karma yet we have been told by the
Grand Liar Marshy that TM practice releases karma. Look, either TM works AS
ADVERTISED or it doesn't. And it is obvious that it doesn't. So you have to
make excuses. I have always acknowledged that TM is an enjoyable practice for
some people and some people are very decent folks whom I have known who are
True Blue Believers, but not because they do TM. As to TM teachers, its the
same thing. If they would have been decent people without TM, they are with TM
and if they are asses without TM, they will be asses with TM.
One example is John Briganti, used to teach in Charleston SC - I have not seen
him in many years, but when I first met him on the first residence course I
ever took, he was a down to earth very decent man who did not give bullshit
answers to questions nor always take the TM party line and he treated everyone
he met with courtesy and respect. Gene Speigel who was in charge of the Atlanta
TM Center when it was the Area Capitol in charge of the TM Centers in several
South Eastern states and who taught my third residence course was an arrogant,
abrasive, abusive sorry son of a bitch and while I have not seen him in years
either, I bet he still is - has nothing to do with TM either way. Except for
one thing:
It sure seems that those who are natural sons of bitches like Gene Speigel,
Chris Crowell, Susan Humphries, Greg and Georgina Wilson, Bevan Moriss, that
arrogant ass Neil Patterson, Bill Sands, Reed Martin ('member him Steve? The
one who kept you from going to Zambia?) remain natural sons of bitches and
those who are naturally nice people remain nice people - TM makes no dent in
one's personality whatsoever with one odd exception and that is much like Nazi
Germany, those who were most like the leader -arrogant, abusive, elitist seem
to rise to the top levels of the TMO - must be collective karma.
Bottom line is TM and TMSP is a nice thing that makes some people feel nice
inside themselves, sometimes for decades. The same practice causes mental
instability, emotional problems and leads
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield
From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield Thanks, Judy, I was replying to the connotation of the word apologist as I interpreted it in what Michael was saying. It does seem to have had, from the beginning, the connotation of defending a belief or idea that is somewhat unreasonable and or unproveable. Share, I would say that if you add the word compulsively before the word defending..., you've nailed it exactly in your last phrase. Or do you actually believe that claiming to be able to teach people to fly or that bouncing around on one's butt can affect crime rates or the weather or that charging people tens of thousands of dollars to have brown boys chant to Hindu gods to heal their ills and make their businesses prosper are either reasonable or provable? :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund
From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund As much as I appreciate your call for decency it seems you've fallen in the same trap as the Turq who believe there are tons of lurkers here eagerly awaiting his raps. There aren't. Only a handful of people read this stuff. While this may be true, I happen to know that at least four of them are reporters, because they have written to me offline asking me to comment on stories they're working on. You forget about Google, and how it tends to make recent discussions of the thing you're researching pop to the top of its hit list. For the record, I have steered all four of them to more appropriate sources for the information they're seeking, since I haven't been part of the TM organization for so long. I am hoping that at least a few of them will finally break the story of the pandit project as the multi-million-dollar profit-making machine it really is, raking in the Big Bucks for yagyas while paying the pandits pennies. *Literally* pennies...a maximum of 63 cents per hour. That is the story that Goldstein and the TMO tried the hardest to hide during the recent pandit riots furor, so that is the story that most needs to come out.
[FairfieldLife] FW: [Rorian Mystery School] Fairfield Satsang meets tomorrow night,...
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For the record, I have steered all four of them to more appropriate sources for the information they're seeking Good for you, hopefully this will make you feel even more special and make you receive plenty of pats from your Buddhist Overlords.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield
Well, turq, all these are reasonable and proven enough for me. As I said to the Jehovah Witnesses decades ago, I might be wrong in my conclusions, but based thus far on my personal experience, I think TM is a very good thing to do rather than being the work of the devil which is what they thought. On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 10:23 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield Thanks, Judy, I was replying to the connotation of the word apologist as I interpreted it in what Michael was saying. It does seem to have had, from the beginning, the connotation of defending a belief or idea that is somewhat unreasonable and or unproveable. Share, I would say that if you add the word compulsively before the word defending..., you've nailed it exactly in your last phrase. Or do you actually believe that claiming to be able to teach people to fly or that bouncing around on one's butt can affect crime rates or the weather or that charging people tens of thousands of dollars to have brown boys chant to Hindu gods to heal their ills and make their businesses prosper are either reasonable or provable? :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund
Buddhist overlords, is that Maitreya again? He's a Buddha. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : For the record, I have steered all four of them to more appropriate sources for the information they're seeking Good for you, hopefully this will make you feel even more special and make you receive plenty of pats from your Buddhist Overlords.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Microbes exterminate life on Earth!
Well, you know what they say: shit happens! On 04/01/2014 04:46 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Date: March 31, 2014 Source: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Summary: Methane-producing microbes may be responsible for the largest mass extinction in Earth's history. Fossil remains show that sometime around 252 million years ago, about 90 percent of all species on Earth were suddenly wiped out -- by far the largest of this planet's five known mass extinctions. It turns out that Methanosarcina had acquired a particularly fast means of making methane, and the team's detailed mapping of the organism's history now shows that this transfer happened at about the time of the end-Permian extinction. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/03/140331153608.htm?utm_source=feedburneramp;utm_medium=feedamp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sciencedaily%2Ftop_news%2Ftop_science+%28ScienceDaily%3A+Top+Science+News%29amp;utm_content=FaceBook
Re: [FairfieldLife] Microbes exterminate life on Earth!
OMG We are all going to die! On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Well, you know what they say: shit happens! On 04/01/2014 04:46 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Date: March 31, 2014 Source: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Summary: Methane-producing microbes may be responsible for the largest mass extinction in Earth's history. Fossil remains show that sometime around 252 million years ago, about 90 percent of all species on Earth were suddenly wiped out -- by far the largest of this planet's five known mass extinctions. It turns out that Methanosarcina had acquired a particularly fast means of making methane, and the team's detailed mapping of the organism's history now shows that this transfer happened at about the time of the end-Permian extinction. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/03/140331153608.htm?utm_source=feedburneramp;utm_medium=feedamp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sciencedaily%2Ftop_news%2Ftop_science+%28ScienceDaily%3A+Top+Science+News%29amp;utm_content=FaceBookhttp://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/03/140331153608.htm?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed%3A+sciencedaily%2Ftop_news%2Ftop_science+%28ScienceDaily%3A+Top+Science+News%29utm_content=FaceBook
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund
Is this another one? Edg, I think it's called Obamacare. On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 12:29 PM, Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: Telegroup? I would think they'd be ashamed to even mention the name. Crooks, liars and thieves sure love to do highfalutin' sounding enterprises. Is this another one? Sorry guys, maybe your intents are pure, but look at the track history of faith-based businesses in Fairfield -- if you're not going to address all the failures -- especially of the businesses that seemingly toed the movement line, then, hey, you're just bullshitting us. How'z about someone in this new group explains how USAGlobalLink failed, or how it was okay for Kaplan to steal the business of Reading's Fun from a former partner or how Telegroup just made up their advice to their customers in order to churn the accounts? BAH!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund
except for protecting the pundits on the campus of MUM - Maharishi University of Mummery. Protect the pundits from what - getting sent back to India? On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 9:09 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.comwrote: except for protecting the pundits on the campus of MUM - Maharishi University of Mummery. On Mon, 3/31/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 31, 2014, 2:08 PM Yes, and thanks be to the Unified Field for the States Attorneys Generals out there doing the good work of protecting us all as the larger and civic community from bad people doing bad things. -Buck Mjackson74 writes: I'd just as soon invest my money with Ed Beckley. There have been a bunch of them there in Fairfield, haven't there? My favorite TM business scam story to date is one that someone shared here right after I first began posting on FFL about the Movement asking for investors to create an ayurvedic clinic there in Fairfield and the investors would get their money back, plus profit sharing and discounts on products and services - and the minute the Movement had the money the immediately reneged on the deal, saying all the investors would be re-payed only with the discounts - no profits, no return of initial investments, nothing! My favorite! Duveyoung write: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund Telegroup? I would think they'd be ashamed to even mention the name. Crooks, liars and thieves sure love to do highfalutin' sounding enterprises. Is this another one? Sorry guys, maybe your intents are pure, but look at the track history of faith-based businesses in Fairfield -- if you're not going to address all the failures -- especially of the businesses that seemingly toed the movement line, then, hey, you're just bullshitting us. How'z about someone in this new group explains how USAGlobalLink failed, or how it was okay for Kaplan to steal the business of Reading's Fun from a former partner or how Telegroup just made up their advice to their customers in order to churn the accounts? BAH! .
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund
professors who target students for sex (that's right I'm talking 'bout
John Hagelin)
Is there any evidence of any professors targeting students for sex at MUM.
You do seem to know a lot about Hegelin's private sex life. What were you
doing in John's bedroom?
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 8:12 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.comwrote:
that shouldn't have a single thing to do with people who do TM - the PR on
TM is that it improves life on ALL levels - mental, physical, emotional,
relationships and the implication is made that money issues will disappear
with the improved all around functioning of the individual brought on by
regular TM and TMSP practice and is flat out stated that money problems
will go away if one has MAHARISHI yagyas and lives in a MAHARISHI vastu
designed house.
yet the evidence is undeniable that TM'ers do unfortunate things such as
commit suicide and do bad things like rape, robbery, professors who target
students for sex (that's right I'm talking 'bout John Hagelin) commit fraud
(like Beckley) - you yourself David have complained loudly and often about
the behavior of Bevan Morris whose draconian methods of control according
to you have kept Dome numbers low.
You can't accept that the long term meditators can have anything wrong
with them that can be attributed to the practice itself, so you have to lay
it off on factors that, by the TMO's own PR should have been eliminated
with TM and its adjunct programs. Yet you continue to excuse TM and the TMO
and say there are mitigating factors. If its upbringing, the practice of TM
corrects those factors, that's what the TMO says.
So how do these behaviors manifest in a long term TM'er? Those more
esoterically minded lay it off on personal karma yet we have been told by
the Grand Liar Marshy that TM practice releases karma. Look, either TM
works AS ADVERTISED or it doesn't. And it is obvious that it doesn't. So
you have to make excuses. I have always acknowledged that TM is an
enjoyable practice for some people and some people are very decent folks
whom I have known who are True Blue Believers, but not because they do TM.
As to TM teachers, its the same thing. If they would have been decent
people without TM, they are with TM and if they are asses without TM, they
will be asses with TM.
One example is John Briganti, used to teach in Charleston SC - I have not
seen him in many years, but when I first met him on the first residence
course I ever took, he was a down to earth very decent man who did not give
bullshit answers to questions nor always take the TM party line and he
treated everyone he met with courtesy and respect. Gene Speigel who was in
charge of the Atlanta TM Center when it was the Area Capitol in charge of
the TM Centers in several South Eastern states and who taught my third
residence course was an arrogant, abrasive, abusive sorry son of a bitch
and while I have not seen him in years either, I bet he still is - has
nothing to do with TM either way. Except for one thing:
It sure seems that those who are natural sons of bitches like Gene
Speigel, Chris Crowell, Susan Humphries, Greg and Georgina Wilson, Bevan
Moriss, that arrogant ass Neil Patterson, Bill Sands, Reed Martin ('member
him Steve? The one who kept you from going to Zambia?) remain natural sons
of bitches and those who are naturally nice people remain nice people - TM
makes no dent in one's personality whatsoever with one odd exception and
that is much like Nazi Germany, those who were most like the leader
-arrogant, abusive, elitist seem to rise to the top levels of the TMO -
must be collective karma.
Bottom line is TM and TMSP is a nice thing that makes some people feel
nice inside themselves, sometimes for decades. The same practice causes
mental instability, emotional problems and leads to other problems too -
you can lay it off on their personal karma or whatever you like, but the
rubber never meets the road where TM is concerned and you have to make
excuses for the practice and for the TMO. I know that you personally David
believe that TMSP will save the world, and God Bless you for your desire to
make that happen, but I hope you are not holding your breath as you wait.
On Tue, 4/1/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 2:55 AM
Bad socialization in an upbringing can be seen
anywhere in a
people at any station. Evidently even in thel growing
illumined.
There is certainly Nature and there is certainly nurture in
any
person. People are born in to the temple as the human
nervous system
that comes with some manufactured standard equipment [OEM]
like
consciousness, egos, mind, heart and intellect. And then
there are
the families and communities they are born in to.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund
It's beginning to look like, but I'm not sure, but maybe MJ has a brain
problem situation on his hands. When an anonymous poster starts talking
about other people's private sex life, or lack thereof, on a public forum,
that may be an indicator that he's got some serious issues of his own. Go
figure.
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 9:46 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote:
Michael, you say some pretty nasty things about some individuals here and
I wonder when was the last time you had direct contact with them. I know
most of the people on your list, and have had my disagreements with a few
of them. But based on my current contact with them, I'd say they are really
good people, like John Brigante whom you mentioned, and they are dedicated
to making the world a better place for everyone.
I don't think it's right or healthy for you to say such negative things
about people with whom you haven't had contact for decades. In fact to me,
it seems down right, very much out of balance.
On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 8:16 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
wrote:
that shouldn't have a single thing to do with people who do TM - the PR
on TM is that it improves life on ALL levels - mental, physical, emotional,
relationships and the implication is made that money issues will disappear
with the improved all around functioning of the individual brought on by
regular TM and TMSP practice and is flat out stated that money problems
will go away if one has MAHARISHI yagyas and lives in a MAHARISHI vastu
designed house.
yet the evidence is undeniable that TM'ers do unfortunate things such as
commit suicide and do bad things like rape, robbery, professors who target
students for sex (that's right I'm talking 'bout John Hagelin) commit fraud
(like Beckley) - you yourself David have complained loudly and often about
the behavior of Bevan Morris whose draconian methods of control according
to you have kept Dome numbers low.
You can't accept that the long term meditators can have anything wrong
with them that can be attributed to the practice itself, so you have to lay
it off on factors that, by the TMO's own PR should have been eliminated
with TM and its adjunct programs. Yet you continue to excuse TM and the TMO
and say there are mitigating factors. If its upbringing, the practice of TM
corrects those factors, that's what the TMO says.
So how do these behaviors manifest in a long term TM'er? Those more
esoterically minded lay it off on personal karma yet we have been told by
the Grand Liar Marshy that TM practice releases karma. Look, either TM
works AS ADVERTISED or it doesn't. And it is obvious that it doesn't. So
you have to make excuses. I have always acknowledged that TM is an
enjoyable practice for some people and some people are very decent folks
whom I have known who are True Blue Believers, but not because they do TM.
As to TM teachers, its the same thing. If they would have been decent
people without TM, they are with TM and if they are asses without TM, they
will be asses with TM.
One example is John Briganti, used to teach in Charleston SC - I have not
seen him in many years, but when I first met him on the first residence
course I ever took, he was a down to earth very decent man who did not give
bullshit answers to questions nor always take the TM party line and he
treated everyone he met with courtesy and respect. Gene Speigel who was in
charge of the Atlanta TM Center when it was the Area Capitol in charge of
the TM Centers in several South Eastern states and who taught my third
residence course was an arrogant, abrasive, abusive sorry son of a bitch
and while I have not seen him in years either, I bet he still is - has
nothing to do with TM either way. Except for one thing:
It sure seems that those who are natural sons of bitches like Gene
Speigel, Chris Crowell, Susan Humphries, Greg and Georgina Wilson, Bevan
Moriss, that arrogant ass Neil Patterson, Bill Sands, Reed Martin ('member
him Steve? The one who kept you from going to Zambia?) remain natural sons
of bitches and those who are naturally nice people remain nice people - TM
makes no dent in one's personality whatsoever with one odd exception and
that is much like Nazi Germany, those who were most like the leader
-arrogant, abusive, elitist seem to rise to the top levels of the TMO -
must be collective karma.
Bottom line is TM and TMSP is a nice thing that makes some people feel
nice inside themselves, sometimes for decades. The same practice causes
mental instability, emotional problems and leads to other problems too -
you can lay it off on their personal karma or whatever you like, but the
rubber never meets the road where TM is concerned and you have to make
excuses for the practice and for the TMO. I know that you personally David
believe that TMSP will save the world, and God Bless you for your desire to
make that happen, but I hope you are not holding your breath as
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund
Gene Speigel, Chris Crowell, Susan Humphries, Greg and Georgina
Wilson, Bevan Moriss, that arrogant ass Neil Patterson, Bill Sands,
Reed Martin...
So the problem is Gene Speigel, Chris Crowell, Susan Humphries, Greg and
Georgina Wilson, Bevan Moriss, that arrogant ass Neil Patterson, Bill
Sands, Reed Martin?
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 9:56 AM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote:
Share, why on earth should you be the first person to take MJ seriously ?
The fellow proved years ago here that he is in need of professional care.
Don't waste your time.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Michael, you say some pretty nasty things about some individuals here and
I wonder when was the last time you had direct contact with them. I know
most of the people on your list, and have had my disagreements with a few
of them. But based on my current contact with them, I'd say they are really
good people, like John Brigante whom you mentioned, and they are dedicated
to making the world a better place for everyone.
I don't think it's right or healthy for you to say such negative things
about people with whom you haven't had contact for decades. In fact to me,
it seems down right, very much out of balance.
On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 8:16 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@...
wrote:
that shouldn't have a single thing to do with people who do TM - the PR on
TM is that it improves life on ALL levels - mental, physical, emotional,
relationships and the implication is made that money issues will disappear
with the improved all around functioning of the individual brought on by
regular TM and TMSP practice and is flat out stated that money problems
will go away if one has MAHARISHI yagyas and lives in a MAHARISHI vastu
designed house.
yet the evidence is undeniable that TM'ers do unfortunate things such as
commit suicide and do bad things like rape, robbery, professors who target
students for sex (that's right I'm talking 'bout John Hagelin) commit fraud
(like Beckley) - you yourself David have complained loudly and often about
the behavior of Bevan Morris whose draconian methods of control according
to you have kept Dome numbers low.
You can't accept that the long term meditators can have anything wrong
with them that can be attributed to the practice itself, so you have to lay
it off on factors that, by the TMO's own PR should have been eliminated
with TM and its adjunct programs. Yet you continue to excuse TM and the TMO
and say there are mitigating factors. If its upbringing, the practice of TM
corrects those factors, that's what the TMO says.
So how do these behaviors manifest in a long term TM'er? Those more
esoterically minded lay it off on personal karma yet we have been told by
the Grand Liar Marshy that TM practice releases karma. Look, either TM
works AS ADVERTISED or it doesn't. And it is obvious that it doesn't. So
you have to make excuses. I have always acknowledged that TM is an
enjoyable practice for some people and some people are very decent folks
whom I have known who are True Blue Believers, but not because they do TM.
As to TM teachers, its the same thing. If they would have been decent
people without TM, they are with TM and if they are asses without TM, they
will be asses with TM.
One example is John Briganti, used to teach in Charleston SC - I have not
seen him in many years, but when I first met him on the first residence
course I ever took, he was a down to earth very decent man who did not give
bullshit answers to questions nor always take the TM party line and he
treated everyone he met with courtesy and respect. Gene Speigel who was in
charge of the Atlanta TM Center when it was the Area Capitol in charge of
the TM Centers in several South Eastern states and who taught my third
residence course was an arrogant, abrasive, abusive sorry son of a bitch
and while I have not seen him in years either, I bet he still is - has
nothing to do with TM either way. Except for one thing:
It sure seems that those who are natural sons of bitches like Gene
Speigel, Chris Crowell, Susan Humphries, Greg and Georgina Wilson, Bevan
Moriss, that arrogant ass Neil Patterson, Bill Sands, Reed Martin ('member
him Steve? The one who kept you from going to Zambia?) remain natural sons
of bitches and those who are naturally nice people remain nice people - TM
makes no dent in one's personality whatsoever with one odd exception and
that is much like Nazi Germany, those who were most like the leader
-arrogant, abusive, elitist seem to rise to the top levels of the TMO -
must be collective karma.
Bottom line is TM and TMSP is a nice thing that makes some people feel
nice inside themselves, sometimes for decades. The same practice causes
mental instability, emotional problems and leads to other problems too -
you can lay it off on their personal karma or whatever you like, but the
rubber never meets the road where TM is
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund
As much as I appreciate your call for decency it seems you've fallen
in the same trap as the Turq who believe there are tons of lurkers here
eagerly awaiting his raps. There aren't. Only a handful of people
read this stuff.
Maybe MJ meant this post for Judy. If so, that would be quite a smear. I
can't say it's been a pleasant exchange with MJ - it looks like he's headed
for a take-down from Judy. This is going to be fun to watch, either way.
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 10:18 AM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote:
As much as I appreciate your call for decency it seems you've fallen in
the same trap as the Turq who believe there are tons of lurkers here
eagerly awaiting his raps. There aren't. Only a handful of people read
this stuff.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Nablusoss, he's naming names of people who continue to contribute good to
my life. I'm responding to show lurkers etc. another perspective.
On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 9:56 AM, nablusoss1008
no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Share, why on earth should you be the first person to take MJ seriously ?
The fellow proved years ago here that he is in need of professional care.
Don't waste your time.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Michael, you say some pretty nasty things about some individuals here and
I wonder when was the last time you had direct contact with them. I know
most of the people on your list, and have had my disagreements with a few
of them. But based on my current contact with them, I'd say they are really
good people, like John Brigante whom you mentioned, and they are dedicated
to making the world a better place for everyone.
I don't think it's right or healthy for you to say such negative things
about people with whom you haven't had contact for decades. In fact to me,
it seems down right, very much out of balance.
On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 8:16 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@...
wrote:
that shouldn't have a single thing to do with people who do TM - the PR on
TM is that it improves life on ALL levels - mental, physical, emotional,
relationships and the implication is made that money issues will disappear
with the improved all around functioning of the individual brought on by
regular TM and TMSP practice and is flat out stated that money problems
will go away if one has MAHARISHI yagyas and lives in a MAHARISHI vastu
designed house.
yet the evidence is undeniable that TM'ers do unfortunate things such as
commit suicide and do bad things like rape, robbery, professors who target
students for sex (that's right I'm talking 'bout John Hagelin) commit fraud
(like Beckley) - you yourself David have complained loudly and often about
the behavior of Bevan Morris whose draconian methods of control according
to you have kept Dome numbers low.
You can't accept that the long term meditators can have anything wrong
with them that can be attributed to the practice itself, so you have to lay
it off on factors that, by the TMO's own PR should have been eliminated
with TM and its adjunct programs. Yet you continue to excuse TM and the TMO
and say there are mitigating factors. If its upbringing, the practice of TM
corrects those factors, that's what the TMO says.
So how do these behaviors manifest in a long term TM'er? Those more
esoterically minded lay it off on personal karma yet we have been told by
the Grand Liar Marshy that TM practice releases karma. Look, either TM
works AS ADVERTISED or it doesn't. And it is obvious that it doesn't. So
you have to make excuses. I have always acknowledged that TM is an
enjoyable practice for some people and some people are very decent folks
whom I have known who are True Blue Believers, but not because they do TM.
As to TM teachers, its the same thing. If they would have been decent
people without TM, they are with TM and if they are asses without TM, they
will be asses with TM.
One example is John Briganti, used to teach in Charleston SC - I have not
seen him in many years, but when I first met him on the first residence
course I ever took, he was a down to earth very decent man who did not give
bullshit answers to questions nor always take the TM party line and he
treated everyone he met with courtesy and respect. Gene Speigel who was in
charge of the Atlanta TM Center when it was the Area Capitol in charge of
the TM Centers in several South Eastern states and who taught my third
residence course was an arrogant, abrasive, abusive sorry son of a bitch
and while I have not seen him in years either, I bet he still is - has
nothing to do with TM either way. Except for one thing:
It sure seems that those who are natural sons of bitches like Gene
Speigel, Chris Crowell, Susan Humphries, Greg and Georgina Wilson, Bevan
Moriss, that arrogant ass Neil Patterson, Bill Sands, Reed Martin ('member
him Steve? The one who kept you from going to Zambia?) remain
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund
I hope Barry told the reporters all about the levitation events and other flashy stuff that Rama demonstrated - that would be far more interesting for the reporters to write about that the pundit boy riot in Iowa. On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 10:32 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: *From:* nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, April 1, 2014 5:18 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund As much as I appreciate your call for decency it seems you've fallen in the same trap as the Turq who believe there are tons of lurkers here eagerly awaiting his raps. There aren't. Only a handful of people read this stuff. While this may be true, I happen to know that at least four of them are reporters, because they have written to me offline asking me to comment on stories they're working on. You forget about Google, and how it tends to make recent discussions of the thing you're researching pop to the top of its hit list. For the record, I have steered all four of them to more appropriate sources for the information they're seeking, since I haven't been part of the TM organization for so long. I am hoping that at least a few of them will finally break the story of the pandit project as the multi-million-dollar profit-making machine it really is, raking in the Big Bucks for yagyas while paying the pandits pennies. *Literally* pennies...a maximum of 63 cents per hour. That is the story that Goldstein and the TMO tried the hardest to hide during the recent pandit riots furor, so that is the story that most needs to come out.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund
Brain tumour, advanced stages of AIDS ? Who knows. Anyhow, he has been adviced
to seek professional help but refuse.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :
It's beginning to look like, but I'm not sure, but maybe MJ has a brain
problem situation on his hands. When an anonymous poster starts talking about
other people's private sex life, or lack thereof, on a public forum, that may
be an indicator that he's got some serious issues of his own. Go figure.
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 9:46 AM, Share Long sharelong60@...
mailto:sharelong60@... wrote:
Michael, you say some pretty nasty things about some individuals here and I
wonder when was the last time you had direct contact with them. I know most of
the people on your list, and have had my disagreements with a few of them. But
based on my current contact with them, I'd say they are really good people,
like John Brigante whom you mentioned, and they are dedicated to making the
world a better place for everyone.
I don't think it's right or healthy for you to say such negative things about
people with whom you haven't had contact for decades. In fact to me, it seems
down right, very much out of balance.
On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 8:16 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@...
mailto:mjackson74@... wrote:
that shouldn't have a single thing to do with people who do TM - the PR on
TM is that it improves life on ALL levels - mental, physical, emotional,
relationships and the implication is made that money issues will disappear with
the improved all around functioning of the individual brought on by regular TM
and TMSP practice and is flat out stated that money problems will go away if
one has MAHARISHI yagyas and lives in a MAHARISHI vastu designed house.
yet the evidence is undeniable that TM'ers do unfortunate things such as
commit suicide and do bad things like rape, robbery, professors who target
students for sex (that's right I'm talking 'bout John Hagelin) commit fraud
(like Beckley) - you yourself David have complained loudly and often about the
behavior of Bevan Morris whose draconian methods of control according to you
have kept Dome numbers low.
You can't accept that the long term meditators can have anything wrong with
them that can be attributed to the practice itself, so you have to lay it off
on factors that, by the TMO's own PR should have been eliminated with TM and
its adjunct programs. Yet you continue to excuse TM and the TMO and say there
are mitigating factors. If its upbringing, the practice of TM corrects those
factors, that's what the TMO says.
So how do these behaviors manifest in a long term TM'er? Those more
esoterically minded lay it off on personal karma yet we have been told by the
Grand Liar Marshy that TM practice releases karma. Look, either TM works AS
ADVERTISED or it doesn't. And it is obvious that it doesn't. So you have to
make excuses. I have always acknowledged that TM is an enjoyable practice for
some people and some people are very decent folks whom I have known who are
True Blue Believers, but not because they do TM. As to TM teachers, its the
same thing. If they would have been decent people without TM, they are with TM
and if they are asses without TM, they will be asses with TM.
One example is John Briganti, used to teach in Charleston SC - I have not seen
him in many years, but when I first met him on the first residence course I
ever took, he was a down to earth very decent man who did not give bullshit
answers to questions nor always take the TM party line and he treated everyone
he met with courtesy and respect. Gene Speigel who was in charge of the Atlanta
TM Center when it was the Area Capitol in charge of the TM Centers in several
South Eastern states and who taught my third residence course was an arrogant,
abrasive, abusive sorry son of a bitch and while I have not seen him in years
either, I bet he still is - has nothing to do with TM either way. Except for
one thing:
It sure seems that those who are natural sons of bitches like Gene Speigel,
Chris Crowell, Susan Humphries, Greg and Georgina Wilson, Bevan Moriss, that
arrogant ass Neil Patterson, Bill Sands, Reed Martin ('member him Steve? The
one who kept you from going to Zambia?) remain natural sons of bitches and
those who are naturally nice people remain nice people - TM makes no dent in
one's personality whatsoever with one odd exception and that is much like Nazi
Germany, those who were most like the leader -arrogant, abusive, elitist seem
to rise to the top levels of the TMO - must be collective karma.
Bottom line is TM and TMSP is a nice thing that makes some people feel nice
inside themselves, sometimes for decades. The same practice causes mental
instability, emotional problems and leads to other problems too - you can lay
it off on their personal karma or whatever you like, but the rubber never
meets the road where TM is concerned and you have
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield
* What's wrong with you, Michael? Maharishi is all over that Web site.* ** MJ didn't acknowledge his error - it's starting look like he does have brain-problem. When are they going to change the name of MUM from Maharishi International University? On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 6:24 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: *What's wrong with you, Michael? Maharishi is all over that Web site.* Come on Steve, be real - you know damn good and well they are distancing themselves from the Hindu roots and from Maharishi himself - if you can't see how disingenuous that is then you are a truly sheared TM sheep. On Mon, 3/31/14, steve.sundur@... steve.sundur@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 31, 2014, 2:55 PM You''ve always got it figured out Michael. Doesn't matter how many twists and turns you have to make, the conclusion is always the same. So what if the TMO has adjusted their message, or their pitch? That's what organizations do. Maybe the problem you're having is that they seem to be having some success. Let's face it, that's wall galls you. And really, I don't think you're ashamed to admit it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund
everyone has the capacity to be both nice and nasty - I have already shared all
my unpleasant experiences about each of these individuals here on FFL
On Tue, 4/1/14, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 2:46 PM
Michael,
you say some pretty nasty things about some individuals here
and I wonder when was the last time you had direct contact
with them. I know most of the people on your list, and have
had my disagreements with a few of them. But based on my
current contact with them, I'd say they are really good
people, like John Brigante whom you mentioned, and they are
dedicated to making the world a better place for everyone.
I don't think it's right or healthy for you to say
such negative things about people with whom you haven't
had contact for decades. In fact to me, it seems down right,
very much out of balance.
On Tuesday, April 1,
2014 8:16 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
wrote:
that shouldn't have a single thing to do with
people who do TM - the PR on TM is that it improves life on
ALL levels - mental, physical, emotional, relationships and
the implication is made that money issues will disappear
with the improved all around functioning of the individual
brought on by regular TM and TMSP practice and is flat out
stated that money problems will go away if one has MAHARISHI
yagyas and lives in a MAHARISHI vastu designed house.
yet the evidence is undeniable that TM'ers do
unfortunate things such as commit suicide and do bad things
like rape, robbery, professors who target students for sex
(that's right I'm talking 'bout John Hagelin)
commit fraud (like Beckley) - you yourself David have
complained loudly and often about the behavior of Bevan
Morris whose draconian methods of control according to you
have kept Dome numbers low.
You can't accept that the long term meditators can have
anything wrong with them that can be attributed to the
practice itself, so you have to lay it off on factors that,
by the TMO's own PR should have been eliminated with TM
and its adjunct programs. Yet you continue to excuse TM and
the TMO and say there are mitigating factors. If its
upbringing, the practice of TM corrects those factors,
that's what the TMO says.
So how do these behaviors manifest in a long term TM'er?
Those more esoterically minded lay it off on personal
karma yet we have been told by the Grand Liar Marshy
that TM practice releases karma. Look, either TM works AS
ADVERTISED or it doesn't. And it is obvious that it
doesn't. So you have to make excuses. I have always
acknowledged that TM is an enjoyable practice for some
people and some people are very decent folks whom I have
known who are True Blue Believers, but not because they do
TM. As to TM teachers, its the same thing. If they would
have been decent people without TM, they are with TM and if
they are asses without TM, they will be asses with TM.
One example is John Briganti, used to teach in Charleston SC
- I have not seen him in many years, but when I first met
him on the first residence course I ever took, he was a down
to earth very decent man who did not give bullshit answers
to questions nor always take the TM party line and he
treated everyone he met with courtesy and respect. Gene
Speigel who was in charge of the Atlanta TM Center when it
was the Area Capitol in charge of the TM Centers in several
South Eastern states and who taught my third residence
course was an arrogant, abrasive, abusive sorry son of a
bitch and while I have not seen him in years either, I bet
he still is - has nothing to do with TM either way. Except
for one thing:
It sure seems that those who are natural sons of bitches
like Gene Speigel, Chris Crowell, Susan Humphries, Greg and
Georgina Wilson, Bevan Moriss, that arrogant ass Neil
Patterson, Bill Sands, Reed Martin ('member him Steve?
The one who kept you from going to Zambia?) remain natural
sons of bitches and those who are naturally nice people
remain nice people - TM makes no dent in one's
personality whatsoever with one odd exception and that is
much like Nazi Germany, those who were most like the leader
-arrogant, abusive, elitist seem to rise to the top levels
of the TMO - must be collective karma.
Bottom line is TM and TMSP is a nice thing that makes some
people feel nice inside themselves, sometimes for decades.
The same practice causes mental instability, emotional
problems and leads to other problems too - you can lay it
off on their personal karma or whatever you
like, but the rubber never meets the road where TM is
concerned and you have to make
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund
Maybe, or he could just be an internet perv. Go figure.
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 11:54 AM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote:
Brain tumour, advanced stages of AIDS ? Who knows. Anyhow, he has been
adviced to seek professional help but refuse.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :
It's beginning to look like, but I'm not sure, but maybe MJ has a brain
problem situation on his hands. When an anonymous poster starts talking
about other people's private sex life, or lack thereof, on a public forum,
that may be an indicator that he's got some serious issues of his own. Go
figure.
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 9:46 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:
Michael, you say some pretty nasty things about some individuals here and
I wonder when was the last time you had direct contact with them. I know
most of the people on your list, and have had my disagreements with a few
of them. But based on my current contact with them, I'd say they are really
good people, like John Brigante whom you mentioned, and they are dedicated
to making the world a better place for everyone.
I don't think it's right or healthy for you to say such negative things
about people with whom you haven't had contact for decades. In fact to me,
it seems down right, very much out of balance.
On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 8:16 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@...
wrote:
that shouldn't have a single thing to do with people who do TM - the PR on
TM is that it improves life on ALL levels - mental, physical, emotional,
relationships and the implication is made that money issues will disappear
with the improved all around functioning of the individual brought on by
regular TM and TMSP practice and is flat out stated that money problems
will go away if one has MAHARISHI yagyas and lives in a MAHARISHI vastu
designed house.
yet the evidence is undeniable that TM'ers do unfortunate things such as
commit suicide and do bad things like rape, robbery, professors who target
students for sex (that's right I'm talking 'bout John Hagelin) commit fraud
(like Beckley) - you yourself David have complained loudly and often about
the behavior of Bevan Morris whose draconian methods of control according
to you have kept Dome numbers low.
You can't accept that the long term meditators can have anything wrong
with them that can be attributed to the practice itself, so you have to lay
it off on factors that, by the TMO's own PR should have been eliminated
with TM and its adjunct programs. Yet you continue to excuse TM and the TMO
and say there are mitigating factors. If its upbringing, the practice of TM
corrects those factors, that's what the TMO says.
So how do these behaviors manifest in a long term TM'er? Those more
esoterically minded lay it off on personal karma yet we have been told by
the Grand Liar Marshy that TM practice releases karma. Look, either TM
works AS ADVERTISED or it doesn't. And it is obvious that it doesn't. So
you have to make excuses. I have always acknowledged that TM is an
enjoyable practice for some people and some people are very decent folks
whom I have known who are True Blue Believers, but not because they do TM.
As to TM teachers, its the same thing. If they would have been decent
people without TM, they are with TM and if they are asses without TM, they
will be asses with TM.
One example is John Briganti, used to teach in Charleston SC - I have not
seen him in many years, but when I first met him on the first residence
course I ever took, he was a down to earth very decent man who did not give
bullshit answers to questions nor always take the TM party line and he
treated everyone he met with courtesy and respect. Gene Speigel who was in
charge of the Atlanta TM Center when it was the Area Capitol in charge of
the TM Centers in several South Eastern states and who taught my third
residence course was an arrogant, abrasive, abusive sorry son of a bitch
and while I have not seen him in years either, I bet he still is - has
nothing to do with TM either way. Except for one thing:
It sure seems that those who are natural sons of bitches like Gene
Speigel, Chris Crowell, Susan Humphries, Greg and Georgina Wilson, Bevan
Moriss, that arrogant ass Neil Patterson, Bill Sands, Reed Martin ('member
him Steve? The one who kept you from going to Zambia?) remain natural sons
of bitches and those who are naturally nice people remain nice people - TM
makes no dent in one's personality whatsoever with one odd exception and
that is much like Nazi Germany, those who were most like the leader
-arrogant, abusive, elitist seem to rise to the top levels of the TMO -
must be collective karma.
Bottom line is TM and TMSP is a nice thing that makes some people feel
nice inside themselves, sometimes for decades. The same practice causes
mental instability, emotional problems and leads to other problems too -
you can lay it off on their personal karma or
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund
If you feel like reading a bit you can find here the roots of all Benjy Creme's baloney blather about Maitreya, ripped off from CW Leadbeater - here is a snippet: Much to the distress of Krishnamurti’s father – who considered Leadbeater to be a predatory menace and corrupting influence towards all young boys – Leadbeater and Besant eventually managed to seize custody of the boy and the next twenty years were spent carefully grooming and training him – some might instead be inclined to call it brainwashing – for his eventual “mission.” For further details of this period, see Tillett’s book or any in depth biographies of Krishnamurti. Suffice it to say that just as Leadbeater, Besant, and thousands of Theosophists around the world were expecting Krishnamurti to begin publicly fulfilling his role, thus allowing the Coming of Maitreya/Christ to occur, the boy, now grown into an intelligent and capable young man, shocked them all in 1929 by delivering a speech in which he abdicated the position, assuring his listeners that he was not the vessel for “Christ-Maitreya” and that in fact there was no Christ-Maitreya after all, and subsequently separated himself from the Theosophists. When asked some fifty years later to share his reminiscences about Leadbeater, he replied, “All I will say about that man is that he was EVIL.” http://blavatskytheosophy.com/maitreya-in-the-light-of-real-theosophy/ On Tue, 4/1/14, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 3:48 PM For the record, I have steered all four of them to more appropriate sources for the information they're seeking Good for you, hopefully this will make you feel even more special and make you receive plenty of pats from your Buddhist Overlords.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What's Up With That?
We use a canvas bag too, but clearly, the idea that plastic bag bans save money and the environment is a fantasy. And, even if you do use a canvas bag you'll still have to pay over $35.00 for a trash can pickup.Here's the rub - the rent is too damn high! On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 2:17 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: Believe it or not, most of the people here in SF have accepted the ban on plastic bags. I personally am not bothered by it. Now, I'm using a canvass bag, which I've received by joining some environmental groups, to haul my groceries. Also, the grocery stores charge customers 10 cents for paper bags that they provide. This was made legal by the city of SF. I feel like I'm doing my part for conservation and being eco-friendly. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : In San Francisco, the cost of a residential trash can rose from $19.08 in 2005 before its plastic bag ban to $34.08 in 2013, a 78.6 percent increase out of step with San Francisco's 5 percent population growth and 19.5 percent inflation during that period. What's up with that? 'Banning plastic bags a bad, maybe deadly, idea' http://www.mysanantonio.com/opinion//http://www.mysanantonio.com/opinion/commentary/article/Banning-plastic-bags-a-bad-maybe-deadly-idea-5358177.php On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 6:24 AM, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: My advice: live in tune with all The Laws of Nature and go to bed before 10, as Vedic Jesus commands. That way, late night TV will cease to exist, as you ponder the back of your eyelids. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/21/2014 9:34 PM, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: Error log says Gmail horked up a hairball when the script tried to send the post count a couple hours ago. I just ran it manually for your post counting convenience. Thanks, Alex, for running the Post Count,now I can get some rest. While I've got your attention, it seems like every time I tune in my TV around this time at night, there are what, four different talk shows on at the same time. You got your Jimmy Kimmel, your got your Jimmy Fallon, you got your David Letterman, and you got your Arsenio Hall. If you stay up late enough, you get your Craig Ferguson and only God knows what talk show after that. Is there no end to these talk shows? Is it just me, or do these guys all have the same guests on, all talking about the same thing, just rotating around the studio. Now, here's Jimmy Kimmel with Ricky Gervis. Now will someone please tell me what has Ricky Gervis ever done that I should remember anything he has to say? What's up with that?
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield
you ignore your own advice every time you rail at Barry On Tue, 4/1/14, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 3:03 PM ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : And yet were I to aim this anger at a corrupt government or a corrupt corporation like Monsanto you would applaud me. Maybe, maybe not. It would depend upon whether I agreed with you that it was corrupt or not and I would have to consider your reasoning for why you would believe so. You're also assuming I think Monsanto is corrupt. You deal with your TM past as you like and I'll deal with mine as I see fit. That seems like an obvious statement. I didn't ask you for advice as to how to live my life and I am not gonna offer you any, unless you would like to take a spoonful of your own suggested medicine and deal with your anger toward Barry rather than continue to revile him, otherwise you won't as you say, be able to move on and forget about it all. I am still interested in knowing what aspect of your own gullibility for what the Movement fed you led you to feel the way you do now? You haven't actually addressed anything I brought up in my post to you, but rage on since it seems to make you feel better. And as for Bawwy, the moment he shows any tendency or ability to elevate himself above his shallow and mean-spirited fantasy world I am all ears. After all, if your unsolicited advice is good for the gander, its bound to be good for the goose too. I am not sure I was giving you advice. I was making an observation based on what I have learned in my life. If you don't think it applies to you then slough it off and carry on. I'm still not sure where you're going with it all but if you're willing to keep carrying the baggage around, be my guest. I have a few bags of my own you could carry if you'd like to add to your load. Here is what I think. I think anyone who is bitterly disappointed about something is someone who fell lock, stock and barrel for something - whether it be a risky investment, the promises of a lover or the teachings of a guru. I think bitterness follows upon gullibility. I also think those who blame somebody or something to the degree to which you blame MMY and the Movement is someone who had stars in their eyes and was naive. I like you Michael but you need to take some responsibility for what you feel and why you feel it when it comes to TM. You should have been more objective, less idealistic and less naive and if so you may have been able to let it all go by now. Until you take responsibility for your own part in how much of the TM propaganda you swallowed you won't be able to move on and forget about it all.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What's Up With That?
Apparently, paper bags take up more space in a landfill. Go figure. On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 3:25 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: A few months ago, I found out that Daly City, CA has joined SF's ban on plastic bags. San Antonio and other cities in the country might follow soon. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : The plastic grocery bags are supposed to be recyclable. I often take a bunch of them to Nob Hill where they have a box to put them. I think they are partially paper anyway. SF has a bunch of vary anal people who tend to Stalinist in their politics. I always forget I have a canvas Trader Joes bag in the car when I go to other stores. And I think a lot of people forget they can recycle the plastic bags so they pile up in the garage. Or worse yet they throw them in the garbage. But we still have a lot of packaging including styrofoam padding that goes in the garbage or the newspaper covers (like SF Chron uses) which aren't recyclable. On 03/31/2014 12:17 PM, jr_esq@... wrote: Believe it or not, most of the people here in SF have accepted the ban on plastic bags. I personally am not bothered by it. Now, I'm using a canvass bag, which I've received by joining some environmental groups, to haul my groceries. Also, the grocery stores charge customers 10 cents for paper bags that they provide. This was made legal by the city of SF. I feel like I'm doing my part for conservation and being eco-friendly. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... punditster@...wrote : In San Francisco, the cost of a residential trash can rose from $19.08 in 2005 before its plastic bag ban to $34.08 in 2013, a 78.6 percent increase out of step with San Francisco's 5 percent population growth and 19.5 percent inflation during that period. What's up with that? 'Banning plastic bags a bad, maybe deadly, idea' http://www.mysanantonio.com/opinion//http://www.mysanantonio.com/opinion/commentary/article/Banning-plastic-bags-a-bad-maybe-deadly-idea-5358177.php On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 6:24 AM, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: My advice: live in tune with all The Laws of Nature and go to bed before 10, as Vedic Jesus commands. That way, late night TV will cease to exist, as you ponder the back of your eyelids. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/21/2014 9:34 PM, j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: Error log says Gmail horked up a hairball when the script tried to send the post count a couple hours ago. I just ran it manually for your post counting convenience. Thanks, Alex, for running the Post Count,now I can get some rest. While I've got your attention, it seems like every time I tune in my TV around this time at night, there are what, four different talk shows on at the same time. You got your Jimmy Kimmel, your got your Jimmy Fallon, you got your David Letterman, and you got your Arsenio Hall. If you stay up late enough, you get your Craig Ferguson and only God knows what talk show after that. Is there no end to these talk shows? Is it just me, or do these guys all have the same guests on, all talking about the same thing, just rotating around the studio. Now, here's Jimmy Kimmel with Ricky Gervis. Now will someone please tell me what has Ricky Gervis ever done that I should remember anything he has to say? What's up with that?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund
The path of enlightenment ends in a number of ways. One can get tired of it and just drop the whole thing out of disinterest. One can die or become mentally incapacitated. And there are two forms of disillusionment. One is it didn't work out as expected, with a feeling of grave disappointment resulting from the discovery that it was not nearly as good as one believed it would be or worse. The other is it didn't work out as expected, but the disillusionment is the kind that was originally intended by the word enlightenment, and then things are pretty much as they always were, and OK. It seems to me MJ is pissed and has a long term grudge because he was fired from MIU for not going to the dome, and that not going to the dome had a valid medical reason. Most employees in the United States work 'at will' which means that a person can be fired for any reason that is not illegal. MJ's firing seems to be in an interesting grey area legally, and it probably could not have been fleshed out without a lawsuit to test the case. Most people on staff in the movement though, as 'serfs', do not have the resources to challenge the movement's sometimes bizarre decisions. Going to the dome as a condition of employment, regardless of the unsupportability of the hypothesis for going there, and yet being exposed to hazardous substances there that require medical intervention would be an interesting test case. As with everyone else, people working and administering in cults and other peculiar organisations are just getting through the day. If they do strange and dark things, they probably do not see it that way at all, they are just getting though another day with whatever resources are available to them. Sometimes the mind cannot let go even when the situation is clear it is never going to be resolved the way we would like. Usually one is miserable in such a situation.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield
Ann's just a born stalker. She stalked Robin to FFL after what...20 years of NOT getting over him. And now she'll continue to stalk anyone else who blows her off and refuses to interact with her. It's just her M.O. From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 7:12 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield you ignore your own advice every time you rail at Barry On Tue, 4/1/14, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 3:03 PM ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : And yet were I to aim this anger at a corrupt government or a corrupt corporation like Monsanto you would applaud me. Maybe, maybe not. It would depend upon whether I agreed with you that it was corrupt or not and I would have to consider your reasoning for why you would believe so. You're also assuming I think Monsanto is corrupt. You deal with your TM past as you like and I'll deal with mine as I see fit. That seems like an obvious statement. I didn't ask you for advice as to how to live my life and I am not gonna offer you any, unless you would like to take a spoonful of your own suggested medicine and deal with your anger toward Barry rather than continue to revile him, otherwise you won't as you say, be able to move on and forget about it all. I am still interested in knowing what aspect of your own gullibility for what the Movement fed you led you to feel the way you do now? You haven't actually addressed anything I brought up in my post to you, but rage on since it seems to make you feel better. And as for Bawwy, the moment he shows any tendency or ability to elevate himself above his shallow and mean-spirited fantasy world I am all ears. After all, if your unsolicited advice is good for the gander, its bound to be good for the goose too. I am not sure I was giving you advice. I was making an observation based on what I have learned in my life. If you don't think it applies to you then slough it off and carry on. I'm still not sure where you're going with it all but if you're willing to keep carrying the baggage around, be my guest. I have a few bags of my own you could carry if you'd like to add to your load. Here is what I think. I think anyone who is bitterly disappointed about something is someone who fell lock, stock and barrel for something - whether it be a risky investment, the promises of a lover or the teachings of a guru. I think bitterness follows upon gullibility. I also think those who blame somebody or something to the degree to which you blame MMY and the Movement is someone who had stars in their eyes and was naive. I like you Michael but you need to take some responsibility for what you feel and why you feel it when it comes to TM. You should have been more objective, less idealistic and less naive and if so you may have been able to let it all go by now. Until you take responsibility for your own part in how much of the TM propaganda you swallowed you won't be able to move on and forget about it all.
[FairfieldLife] FFL featured on Oprah today
Oprah will be showing a segment about our very own Fairfield Life including interviews with Rick, Alex and other locals including Share, Doug and Feste.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Microbes exterminate life on Earth!
Life is nothing but a pattern that occurs throughout planets in the universe when conditions are right. You are nothing but a pattern Pundito. Enjoy your pattern while you can. On 04/01/2014 09:30 AM, Pundit Sir wrote: OMG We are all going to die! On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Well, you know what they say: shit happens! On 04/01/2014 04:46 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Date: March 31, 2014 Source: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Summary: Methane-producing microbes may be responsible for the largest mass extinction in Earth's history. Fossil remains show that sometime around 252 million years ago, about 90 percent of all species on Earth were suddenly wiped out -- by far the largest of this planet's five known mass extinctions. It turns out that Methanosarcina had acquired a particularly fast means of making methane, and the team's detailed mapping of the organism's history now shows that this transfer happened at about the time of the end-Permian extinction. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/03/140331153608.htm?utm_source=feedburneramp;utm_medium=feedamp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sciencedaily%2Ftop_news%2Ftop_science+%28ScienceDaily%3A+Top+Science+News%29amp;utm_content=FaceBook http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/03/140331153608.htm?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed%3A+sciencedaily%2Ftop_news%2Ftop_science+%28ScienceDaily%3A+Top+Science+News%29utm_content=FaceBook
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield
BARRY IS A LIAR. He knows none of this is true. His rage is truly out of control today. Ann's just a born stalker. She stalked Robin to FFL after what...20 years of NOT getting over him. And now she'll continue to stalk anyone else who blows her off and refuses to interact with her. It's just her M.O.
Re: [FairfieldLife] FFL featured on Oprah today
From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 8:07 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] FFL featured on Oprah today Oprah will be showing a segment about our very own Fairfield Life including interviews with Rick, Alex and other locals including Share, Doug and Feste. If true, I guess this would put the lie to the no lurkers theory. :-) After all, where would you go if you were interested in getting the whole story about a group that has been accused of being somewhat cult-like? Only to the controlled speech sites related to the group, or to some of the free speech sites related to the group as well? Reporters have, after all, been haunting the anti-Scientology sites for years hoping for leads for their exposes. I think it's kinda cool, actually, one of those benefits that the Internet has brought to us. There was a time before the Net when spin-meisters and spiritual fascists could effectively derail any criticism by making it appear to disappear. Not as easy in this new tell all age. On the other hand, I'm fairly convinced this is an April Fools joke from Bhairitu. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] FFL featured on Oprah today
Oh shit On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 11:19 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 8:07 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] FFL featured on Oprah today Oprah will be showing a segment about our very own Fairfield Life including interviews with Rick, Alex and other locals including Share, Doug and Feste. If true, I guess this would put the lie to the no lurkers theory. :-) After all, where would you go if you were interested in getting the whole story about a group that has been accused of being somewhat cult-like? Only to the controlled speech sites related to the group, or to some of the free speech sites related to the group as well? Reporters have, after all, been haunting the anti-Scientology sites for years hoping for leads for their exposes. I think it's kinda cool, actually, one of those benefits that the Internet has brought to us. There was a time before the Net when spin-meisters and spiritual fascists could effectively derail any criticism by making it appear to disappear. Not as easy in this new tell all age. On the other hand, I'm fairly convinced this is an April Fools joke from Bhairitu. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Microbes exterminate life on Earth!
Ok, noozguru, imho, this is Post of the Month. Whoops, April 1! Ok, how about Post of the Season? Post of Last Month? Anyway, I like it and think it would be a great bumper sticker: Enjoy your pattern while you can. I shall, Oprah or no Oprah (-: On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 1:09 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Life is nothing but a pattern that occurs throughout planets in the universe when conditions are right. You are nothing but a pattern Pundito. Enjoy your pattern while you can. On 04/01/2014 09:30 AM, Pundit Sir wrote: OMG We are all going to die! On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Well, you know what they say: shit happens! On 04/01/2014 04:46 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Date: March 31, 2014 Source: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Summary: Methane-producing microbes may be responsible for the largest mass extinction in Earth's history. Fossil remains show that sometime around 252 million years ago, about 90 percent of all species on Earth were suddenly wiped out -- by far the largest of this planet's five known mass extinctions. It turns out that Methanosarcina had acquired a particularly fast means of making methane, and the team's detailed mapping of the organism's history now shows that this transfer happened at about the time of the end-Permian extinction. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/03/140331153608.htm?utm_source=feedburneramp;utm_medium=feedamp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sciencedaily%2Ftop_news%2Ftop_science+%28ScienceDaily%3A+Top+Science+News%29amp;utm_content=FaceBook
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield
Please explain to us what is a lie, Jude. After all, hasn't Ann admitted that the only reason she ever came to Fairfield Life in the first place is that she'd heard that Robin was posting here? You know...Robin...the guy who'd she last seen when he accused her of being demonically possessed in public and kicked her out of his organization and written her off forever, after which she went to the newspapers to blow the whistle on his cult in retaliation? Sure sounds a little like a stalker mentality to me. Please spin it a different way...if you can... As for rage, I shall allow lurkers to decide who sounds more enraged -- you and Ann, or moi... :-) From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield BARRY IS A LIAR. He knows none of this is true. His rage is truly out of control today. Ann's just a born stalker. She stalked Robin to FFL after what...20 years of NOT getting over him. And now she'll continue to stalk anyone else who blows her off and refuses to interact with her. It's just her M.O.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund
Richard, just to clarify, this was a message from Nablusoss to me. On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 11:50 AM, Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.com wrote: As much as I appreciate your call for decency it seems you've fallen in the same trap as the Turq who believe there are tons of lurkers here eagerly awaiting his raps. There aren't. Only a handful of people read this stuff. Maybe MJ meant this post for Judy. If so, that would be quite a smear. I can't say it's been a pleasant exchange with MJ - it looks like he's headed for a take-down from Judy. This is going to be fun to watch, either way. On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 10:18 AM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: As much as I appreciate your call for decency it seems you've fallen in the same trap as the Turq who believe there are tons of lurkers here eagerly awaiting his raps. There aren't. Only a handful of people read this stuff. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Nablusoss, he's naming names of people who continue to contribute good to my life. I'm responding to show lurkers etc. another perspective. On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 9:56 AM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Share, why on earth should you be the first person to take MJ seriously ? The fellow proved years ago here that he is in need of professional care. Don't waste your time. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Michael, you say some pretty nasty things about some individuals here and I wonder when was the last time you had direct contact with them. I know most of the people on your list, and have had my disagreements with a few of them. But based on my current contact with them, I'd say they are really good people, like John Brigante whom you mentioned, and they are dedicated to making the world a better place for everyone. I don't think it's right or healthy for you to say such negative things about people with whom you haven't had contact for decades. In fact to me, it seems down right, very much out of balance. On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 8:16 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: that shouldn't have a single thing to do with people who do TM - the PR on TM is that it improves life on ALL levels - mental, physical, emotional, relationships and the implication is made that money issues will disappear with the improved all around functioning of the individual brought on by regular TM and TMSP practice and is flat out stated that money problems will go away if one has MAHARISHI yagyas and lives in a MAHARISHI vastu designed house. yet the evidence is undeniable that TM'ers do unfortunate things such as commit suicide and do bad things like rape, robbery, professors who target students for sex (that's right I'm talking 'bout John Hagelin) commit fraud (like Beckley) - you yourself David have complained loudly and often about the behavior of Bevan Morris whose draconian methods of control according to you have kept Dome numbers low. You can't accept that the long term meditators can have anything wrong with them that can be attributed to the practice itself, so you have to lay it off on factors that, by the TMO's own PR should have been eliminated with TM and its adjunct programs. Yet you continue to excuse TM and the TMO and say there are mitigating factors. If its upbringing, the practice of TM corrects those factors, that's what the TMO says. So how do these behaviors manifest in a long term TM'er? Those more esoterically minded lay it off on personal karma yet we have been told by the Grand Liar Marshy that TM practice releases karma. Look, either TM works AS ADVERTISED or it doesn't. And it is obvious that it doesn't. So you have to make excuses. I have always acknowledged that TM is an enjoyable practice for some people and some people are very decent folks whom I have known who are True Blue Believers, but not because they do TM. As to TM teachers, its the same thing. If they would have been decent people without TM, they are with TM and if they are asses without TM, they will be asses with TM. One example is John Briganti, used to teach in Charleston SC - I have not seen him in many years, but when I first met him on the first residence course I ever took, he was a down to earth very decent man who did not give bullshit answers to questions nor always take the TM party line and he treated everyone he met with courtesy and respect. Gene Speigel who was in charge of the Atlanta TM Center when it was the Area Capitol in charge of the TM Centers in several South Eastern states and who taught my third residence course was an arrogant, abrasive, abusive sorry son of a bitch and while I have not seen him in years either, I bet he still is - has nothing to do with TM either way. Except for one thing: It sure seems that those who are natural sons of bitches like Gene Speigel, Chris Crowell, Susan Humphries, Greg and Georgina
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund
But Michael, those incidents happened decades ago. You've had no contact with
these people since then. How can you continue to think such negative things
about them and more, say them in a public venue? IMO, it's neither right nor
healthy to do so.
On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 12:02 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
wrote:
everyone has the capacity to be both nice and nasty - I have already shared all
my unpleasant experiences about each of these individuals here on FFL
On Tue, 4/1/14, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 2:46 PM
Michael,
you say some pretty nasty things about some individuals here
and I wonder when was the last time you had direct contact
with them. I know most of the people on your list, and have
had my disagreements with a few of them. But based on my
current contact with them, I'd say they are really good
people, like John Brigante whom you mentioned, and they are
dedicated to making the world a better place for everyone.
I don't think it's right or healthy for you to say
such negative things about people with whom you haven't
had contact for decades. In fact to me, it seems down right,
very much out of balance.
On Tuesday, April 1,
2014 8:16 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
wrote:
that shouldn't have a single thing to do with
people who do TM - the PR on TM is that it improves life on
ALL levels - mental, physical, emotional, relationships and
the implication is made that money issues will disappear
with the improved all around functioning of the individual
brought on by regular TM and TMSP practice and is flat out
stated that money problems will go away if one has MAHARISHI
yagyas and lives in a MAHARISHI vastu designed house.
yet the evidence is undeniable that TM'ers do
unfortunate things such as commit suicide and do bad things
like rape, robbery, professors who target students for sex
(that's right I'm talking 'bout John Hagelin)
commit fraud (like Beckley) - you yourself David have
complained loudly and often about the behavior of Bevan
Morris whose draconian methods of control according to you
have kept Dome numbers low.
You can't accept that the long term meditators can have
anything wrong with them that can be attributed to the
practice itself, so you have to lay it off on factors that,
by the TMO's own PR should have been eliminated with TM
and its adjunct programs. Yet you continue to excuse TM and
the TMO and say there are mitigating factors. If its
upbringing, the practice of TM corrects those factors,
that's what the TMO says.
So how do these behaviors manifest in a long term TM'er?
Those more esoterically minded lay it off on personal
karma yet we have been told by the Grand Liar Marshy
that TM practice releases karma. Look, either TM works AS
ADVERTISED or it doesn't. And it is obvious that it
doesn't. So you have to make excuses. I have always
acknowledged that TM is an enjoyable practice for some
people and some people are very decent folks whom I have
known who are True Blue Believers, but not because they do
TM. As to TM teachers, its the same thing. If they would
have been decent people without TM, they are with TM and if
they are asses without TM, they will be asses with TM.
One example is John Briganti, used to teach in Charleston SC
- I have not seen him in many years, but when I first met
him on the first residence course I ever took, he was a down
to earth very decent man who did not give bullshit answers
to questions nor always take the TM party line and he
treated everyone he met with courtesy and respect. Gene
Speigel who was in charge of the Atlanta TM Center when it
was the Area Capitol in charge of the TM Centers in several
South Eastern states and who taught my third residence
course was an arrogant, abrasive, abusive sorry son of a
bitch and while I have not seen him in years either, I bet
he still is - has nothing to do with TM either way. Except
for one thing:
It sure seems that those who are natural sons of bitches
like Gene Speigel, Chris Crowell, Susan Humphries, Greg and
Georgina Wilson, Bevan Moriss, that arrogant ass Neil
Patterson, Bill Sands, Reed Martin ('member him Steve?
The one who kept you from going to Zambia?) remain natural
sons of bitches and those who are naturally nice people
remain nice people - TM makes no dent in one's
personality whatsoever with one odd exception and that is
much like Nazi Germany, those who were most like the leader
-arrogant, abusive, elitist seem to rise to the top levels
of the TMO - must be collective karma.
Bottom line is TM and TMSP is a nice thing that makes some
people feel nice inside themselves, sometimes for decades.
The same practice causes mental instability, emotional
problems and leads to other problems too - you
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield
you ignore your own advice every time you rail at Barry Common sense would indicate that levitation is impossible. And, common sense would indicate that you are going to look like an idiot if you post a claim that your guru was able to levitate even once. Also, common sense would indicate you are a perv if you spread gossip about other's private sex life on a public discussion forum. So, it's starting to look like you and Barry have no common sense. On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.comwrote: you ignore your own advice every time you rail at Barry On Tue, 4/1/14, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 3:03 PM ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : And yet were I to aim this anger at a corrupt government or a corrupt corporation like Monsanto you would applaud me. Maybe, maybe not. It would depend upon whether I agreed with you that it was corrupt or not and I would have to consider your reasoning for why you would believe so. You're also assuming I think Monsanto is corrupt. You deal with your TM past as you like and I'll deal with mine as I see fit. That seems like an obvious statement. I didn't ask you for advice as to how to live my life and I am not gonna offer you any, unless you would like to take a spoonful of your own suggested medicine and deal with your anger toward Barry rather than continue to revile him, otherwise you won't as you say, be able to move on and forget about it all. I am still interested in knowing what aspect of your own gullibility for what the Movement fed you led you to feel the way you do now? You haven't actually addressed anything I brought up in my post to you, but rage on since it seems to make you feel better. And as for Bawwy, the moment he shows any tendency or ability to elevate himself above his shallow and mean-spirited fantasy world I am all ears. After all, if your unsolicited advice is good for the gander, its bound to be good for the goose too. I am not sure I was giving you advice. I was making an observation based on what I have learned in my life. If you don't think it applies to you then slough it off and carry on. I'm still not sure where you're going with it all but if you're willing to keep carrying the baggage around, be my guest. I have a few bags of my own you could carry if you'd like to add to your load. Here is what I think. I think anyone who is bitterly disappointed about something is someone who fell lock, stock and barrel for something - whether it be a risky investment, the promises of a lover or the teachings of a guru. I think bitterness follows upon gullibility. I also think those who blame somebody or something to the degree to which you blame MMY and the Movement is someone who had stars in their eyes and was naive. I like you Michael but you need to take some responsibility for what you feel and why you feel it when it comes to TM. You should have been more objective, less idealistic and less naive and if so you may have been able to let it all go by now. Until you take responsibility for your own part in how much of the TM propaganda you swallowed you won't be able to move on and forget about it all.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield
From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield Please explain to us what is a lie, Jude. After all, hasn't Ann admitted that the only reason she ever came to Fairfield Life in the first place is that she'd heard that Robin was posting here? You know...Robin...the guy who'd she last seen when he accused her of being demonically possessed in public and kicked her out of his organization and written her off forever, after which she went to the newspapers to blow the whistle on his cult in retaliation? Sure sounds a little like a stalker mentality to me. Please spin it a different way...if you can... As for rage, I shall allow lurkers to decide who sounds more enraged -- you and Ann, or moi... :-) Just as a followup point having to do with rage, has anyone noticed how Judy, Ann, Nabby, and Jim tend to have NO PROBLEM speculating about me and others they don't like here, based only on what they've read in my (our) posts, but seem to go batshit crazy when someone does exactly the same thing to them? One of the hallmarks of Narcissistic Personality Disorder, BTW, is a tendency to react to someone criticizing them by refusing to believe it's honest criticism. NPD sufferers almost always try to insist that the person saying things about them that don't fit their inner image is lying, because that's easier for their fragile egos to accept than accepting the fact that this is how someone actually sees them... From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield BARRY IS A LIAR. He knows none of this is true. His rage is truly out of control today. Ann's just a born stalker. She stalked Robin to FFL after what...20 years of NOT getting over him. And now she'll continue to stalk anyone else who blows her off and refuses to interact with her. It's just her M.O.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund
everyone has the capacity to be both nice and nasty - I have already
shared all my unpleasant experiences about each of these individuals
here on FFL
So, why are you still here? Nobody wants to seriously dialog with you
because you are so crude and nasty,n sort of like how you describe your
relatives.You sound worse than the people you rail against. You haven't
made a good impression - you sound pretty black and white, yourself. So,
what's your point? You're not going to change any minds here. Go figure.
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.comwrote:
everyone has the capacity to be both nice and nasty - I have already
shared all my unpleasant experiences about each of these individuals here
on FFL
On Tue, 4/1/14, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 2:46 PM
Michael,
you say some pretty nasty things about some individuals here
and I wonder when was the last time you had direct contact
with them. I know most of the people on your list, and have
had my disagreements with a few of them. But based on my
current contact with them, I'd say they are really good
people, like John Brigante whom you mentioned, and they are
dedicated to making the world a better place for everyone.
I don't think it's right or healthy for you to say
such negative things about people with whom you haven't
had contact for decades. In fact to me, it seems down right,
very much out of balance.
On Tuesday, April 1,
2014 8:16 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
wrote:
that shouldn't have a single thing to do with
people who do TM - the PR on TM is that it improves life on
ALL levels - mental, physical, emotional, relationships and
the implication is made that money issues will disappear
with the improved all around functioning of the individual
brought on by regular TM and TMSP practice and is flat out
stated that money problems will go away if one has MAHARISHI
yagyas and lives in a MAHARISHI vastu designed house.
yet the evidence is undeniable that TM'ers do
unfortunate things such as commit suicide and do bad things
like rape, robbery, professors who target students for sex
(that's right I'm talking 'bout John Hagelin)
commit fraud (like Beckley) - you yourself David have
complained loudly and often about the behavior of Bevan
Morris whose draconian methods of control according to you
have kept Dome numbers low.
You can't accept that the long term meditators can have
anything wrong with them that can be attributed to the
practice itself, so you have to lay it off on factors that,
by the TMO's own PR should have been eliminated with TM
and its adjunct programs. Yet you continue to excuse TM and
the TMO and say there are mitigating factors. If its
upbringing, the practice of TM corrects those factors,
that's what the TMO says.
So how do these behaviors manifest in a long term TM'er?
Those more esoterically minded lay it off on personal
karma yet we have been told by the Grand Liar Marshy
that TM practice releases karma. Look, either TM works AS
ADVERTISED or it doesn't. And it is obvious that it
doesn't. So you have to make excuses. I have always
acknowledged that TM is an enjoyable practice for some
people and some people are very decent folks whom I have
known who are True Blue Believers, but not because they do
TM. As to TM teachers, its the same thing. If they would
have been decent people without TM, they are with TM and if
they are asses without TM, they will be asses with TM.
One example is John Briganti, used to teach in Charleston SC
- I have not seen him in many years, but when I first met
him on the first residence course I ever took, he was a down
to earth very decent man who did not give bullshit answers
to questions nor always take the TM party line and he
treated everyone he met with courtesy and respect. Gene
Speigel who was in charge of the Atlanta TM Center when it
was the Area Capitol in charge of the TM Centers in several
South Eastern states and who taught my third residence
course was an arrogant, abrasive, abusive sorry son of a
bitch and while I have not seen him in years either, I bet
he still is - has nothing to do with TM either way. Except
for one thing:
It sure seems that those who are natural sons of bitches
like Gene Speigel, Chris Crowell, Susan Humphries, Greg and
Georgina Wilson, Bevan Moriss, that arrogant ass Neil
Patterson, Bill Sands, Reed Martin ('member him Steve?
The one who kept you from going to Zambia?) remain natural
sons of bitches and those who are naturally nice people
remain nice people - TM makes no dent in one's
personality whatsoever with one odd exception and that is
much like Nazi Germany, those who were most like
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund
So, it's all about Benjamin Creme now. On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:02 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.comwrote: If you feel like reading a bit you can find here the roots of all Benjy Creme's baloney blather about Maitreya, ripped off from CW Leadbeater - here is a snippet: Much to the distress of Krishnamurti's father - who considered Leadbeater to be a predatory menace and corrupting influence towards all young boys - Leadbeater and Besant eventually managed to seize custody of the boy and the next twenty years were spent carefully grooming and training him - some might instead be inclined to call it brainwashing - for his eventual mission. For further details of this period, see Tillett's book or any in depth biographies of Krishnamurti. Suffice it to say that just as Leadbeater, Besant, and thousands of Theosophists around the world were expecting Krishnamurti to begin publicly fulfilling his role, thus allowing the Coming of Maitreya/Christ to occur, the boy, now grown into an intelligent and capable young man, shocked them all in 1929 by delivering a speech in which he abdicated the position, assuring his listeners that he was not the vessel for Christ-Maitreya and that in fact there was no Christ-Maitreya after all, and subsequently separated himself from the Theosophists. When asked some fifty years later to share his reminiscences about Leadbeater, he replied, All I will say about that man is that he was EVIL. http://blavatskytheosophy.com/maitreya-in-the-light-of-real-theosophy/ On Tue, 4/1/14, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 3:48 PM For the record, I have steered all four of them to more appropriate sources for the information they're seeking Good for you, hopefully this will make you feel even more special and make you receive plenty of pats from your Buddhist Overlords.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield
From: Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.com To: Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield Common sense would indicate that levitation is impossible. If that is true, then most of the people on this forum have demonstrated a rather formidable lack of common sense, because they paid thousands of dollars to the TM organization, which promised to teach them how to levitate. Basically, anyone who paid Big Bucks to learn the TM Sidhi Program who now claims that levitation is impossible is a hypocrite.
[FairfieldLife] (unknown)
Please stop sending me email!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund
I am glad you are capable of such fantasy - you might try writing a novel based on your musings and put them to good use, but you are wrong on all counts - at the time the Bill Sands gave me the boot, I was chagrined for about five minutes with him in Brad's office (Brad O'Nash - then kitchen director) because I had no place else to go, no money and no transportation and at the time I was into the lifestyle of livin' poor and having the rent, utilities and food taken care of and still had some good friends there I was not ready to leave. But when I saw that Billy was getting revenge for my having gone over his head some months before, going to Greg Wilson to get an exception to the gotta be in the Dome rule, I realized I had to roll with what I was being dealt. It was during the last exchange when I came back to myself. I shakily asked how long after the DAC banquet was over with till I had to get out and he said Five o'clock. The banquet will be over at noon on Sunday, you have to vacate your room and have all your belongings out by five o'clock that afternoon. What! You're crazy! That's not fair! I need more time. Bill, with a supercilious look on his face, That's MIU policy. If you aren't working for MIU, you can't stay on campus. He actually have his head inclined so that he was looking down his nose at me. As the exchange proceeded, I got quite ticked off and told them that if they were going to do that, I was going to pack and leave right then, and they could run the bakery themselves through the big DAC banquet. Bill indignantly reminded me that I had just promised to work the banquet and he was going to hold me to it. I reminded him that he was treating me with no regard and I insisted I needed more time. He said no, and I said yes. Finally he asked me how much time and I said two weeks. He and Brad both said no in a flustered and indignant tone to which I replied that they were welcome to make bread and desserts from then till and through the DAC banquet. They protested and I got out of my chair to leave and pack. Bill disgustedly agreed. I walked out and in the next few hours I was a little uncertain as to what I would do, but by the end of the next day I had made my exit plans, arranged for transportation, gotten a temp job in Indiana that paid me enough to get me back to South Carolina and I was satisfied. By the time I left MIU I knew I didn't want to work for the Movement again - ever! and be subject to the whims of jackasses like Sands (and folk like Chris Crowell who was one of the most look down on lowly meditators who are not sidhas and look down on sidhas who aren't governors and look down on governors who have no money or status in the Movement I have ever seen). But I foolishly had the idea of rounding once in a while at a Movement facility and that lasted till I heard from some friends who were on the scene about the Heavenly Mountain crap that Bevan and Marshy pulled - it was Marshy's exhortation for all TM'ers as possible to move there and his subsequent juvenile behavior of pulling the rug out from under everyone by telling them No one can do business here - its just for retired people and Purusha. in response to the Kaplan brothers ceasing to give him monetary support that made me realize what a gigantic son of a bitch he was and how uncaring he was about the people who made it possible for him to live like a lord and never get his hands dirty at an honest job. So after about 24 hours I was over the firing and felt quite satisfied I had stared Billy Boy Sands down and made him blink, allowing me to leave somewhat on my own terms. In hindsight, even though he did it in an underhanded fashion, he gave me a good look at typical TM boss behavior, gave me a good story to tell and did me a big favor by getting me out of cult central sooner than I otherwise would have. I also remind you that when I first was called on the carpet for non-Dome attendance and showed him my letter from my allergist and all that, I asked for a compromise which was to allow me to go meditate with the meditators, rather than the sidhas in the Dome. That way I could fulfill the letter of my staff agreement to do group program, not be exposed to the formaldehyde and other gasses in the Domes, stay healthy, happy, have good experiences and do my part working for MIU with a happier healthier body. But nooo! We can't have none of that! said Billy Boy. He felt it was tantamount to blasphemy for me to even suggest as a sidha to do program with the lowly meditators and not do my sidhis. I saw his blind goosestepping adherence to policy was more important to him than keeping things running smoothly and keeping the personnel happy. Typical cult behavior to blindly follow protocol and not think independently - but I also didn't ask to actually see the written policies that might cover such exceptions as I was asking for, I suspect that some of
Re: [FairfieldLife] FFL featured on Oprah today
cant wait to see Feste on screen - then I see if I remember him from my MIU days On Tue, 4/1/14, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] FFL featured on Oprah today To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 6:07 PM Oprah will be showing a segment about our very own Fairfield Life including interviews with Rick, Alex and other locals including Share, Doug and Feste.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield
She didn't admit it, Bar, she asserted it. She's explained why she showed up, and it obviously wasn't to stalk Robin. You've got your own fantasies all mixed up in your desperate eagerness to get back at Ann. The earlier one was that she had a crush on him, remember? Now all of a sudden it's that she was out to get him. She didn't and wasn't, but her posts involving Robin were much more positive than negative. And remember, the two of them were communicating by email starting from when she arrived here. IOW, he didn't blow her off, very much to the contrary. No spinning required. Just the facts. Shit, Bar, you know we know all that. Why on earth would you try to put this obvious lie over on us? You're so frantic with anger you're losing your marbles. Also, of course, she doesn't criticize you because you won't interact with her. She doesn't want you to interact with her. Jeez, who would?? She just wants to express her disgust with your consistently rotten behavior. That whole They're all upset because I refuse to interact business is a very feeble lie designed to prop up your ego. But nobody here believes it. We criticize you because you're an obnoxious, dishonest, extremely low-vibe stinker who lets himself be run by his rage at the world. Please explain to us what is a lie, Jude. After all, hasn't Ann admitted that the only reason she ever came to Fairfield Life in the first place is that she'd heard that Robin was posting here? You know...Robin...the guy who'd she last seen when he accused her of being demonically possessed in public and kicked her out of his organization and written her off forever, after which she went to the newspapers to blow the whistle on his cult in retaliation? Sure sounds a little like a stalker mentality to me. Please spin it a different way...if you can... As for rage, I shall allow lurkers to decide who sounds more enraged -- you and Ann, or moi... :-) From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield BARRY IS A LIAR. He knows none of this is true. His rage is truly out of control today. Ann's just a born stalker. She stalked Robin to FFL after what...20 years of NOT getting over him. And now she'll continue to stalk anyone else who blows her off and refuses to interact with her. It's just her M.O.
Re: [FairfieldLife] FFL featured on Oprah today
I invite Oprah to come see me anytime about TM and the TM'ers and MIU - anytime!!! On Tue, 4/1/14, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] FFL featured on Oprah today To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 6:15 PM From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 8:07 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] FFL featured on Oprah today Oprah will be showing a segment about our very own Fairfield Life including interviews with Rick, Alex and other locals including Share, Doug and Feste. If true, I guess this would put the lie to the no lurkers theory. :-)After all, where would you go if you were interested in getting the whole story about a group that has been accused of being somewhat cult-like? Only to the controlled speech sites related to the group, or to some of the free speech sites related to the group as well? Reporters have, after all, been haunting the anti-Scientology sites for years hoping for leads for their exposes. I think it's kinda cool, actually, one of those benefits that the Internet has brought to us. There was a time before the Net when spin-meisters and spiritual fascists could effectively derail any criticism by making it appear to disappear. Not as easy in this new tell all age. On the other hand, I'm fairly convinced this is an April Fools joke from Bhairitu. :-)
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[FairfieldLife] Creme is full of it
From her very first book, Bailey showed her faith in Leadbeater by promulgating the teaching that the Second Coming of the Christ-Maitreya was close at hand. Always written in a distinctly Christian tone, Bailey’s books developed an increasing emphasis on this theme until by the time of her death in 1949 she was writing about little else. She informed her readers that Maitreya had made a definite decision at the Gemini Full Moon of 1945 to reappear publicly on the world scene in person as soon as the necessary preparations could be made. He was apparently intending to fly in an aeroplane from his retreat in Asia and give mankind the new spiritual teaching it needs in order to bring about the civilisation and force of the New Age of Aquarius, although it was implied that he was not actually likely to do this until some time after the year 2025 and that until then it was the “immediate and pressing” task and duty of the Bailey followers to let the whole world know about it and to smooth the way for the auspicious event by daily reciting a type of prayer titled “The Great Invocation.” Although Bailey – who readily admitted of her own accord that she was a committed Christian – naturally preferred the name “Christ” to “Maitreya” and thus referred to him in many of her books solely as “Christ,” she nevertheless made it clear that she agreed entirely with Leadbeater about Christ and Maitreya being one and the same. Over the last few decades numerous individuals have come and gone, all claiming to be Maitreya, just as many pretenders have come and gone throughout history claiming to be Jesus. At the same time, the Alice Bailey followers and other pseudo-Theosophists continue to spread their Leadbeater-esque teachings, whilst Alice Bailey enthusiast Benjamin Creme in London assures his large international following that the Christ-Maitreya has already returned and has been living secretly in London since 1977, waiting patiently (when not flying around in his “special starship”) for the day when he can at last reveal himself to the world. Meanwhile, hundreds if not thousands of channelling enthusiasts flood the internet daily with what they announce as being the “latest messages” – all contradicting each other – fresh from Maitreya, for whom each of them claims to be the chosen mouthpiece. All this nonsense, this sheer fantasy and psychic delusion, goes directly back to C.W. Leadbeater, a man who has done more harm to the cause of modern spirituality than many have yet realised. http://blavatskytheosophy.com/maitreya-in-the-light-of-real-theosophy/
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Shit, Bar, you know *we* know all that. Why on earth would you try to put this obvious lie over on us? You're so frantic with anger you're losing your marbles. ** *Everyone knows Rama didn't levitate - that's impossible. When Barry posted that B.S. almost everything else he posts here after that is suspicious. It's probably just his ego working now, trying to get back at you. He's got nothing much new to report, apparently.* On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 2:18 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: She didn't admit it, Bar, she *asserted* it. She's explained why she showed up, and it obviously wasn't to stalk Robin. You've got your own fantasies all mixed up in your desperate eagerness to get back at Ann. The earlier one was that she had a crush on him, remember? Now all of a sudden it's that she was out to get him. She didn't and wasn't, but her posts involving Robin were much more positive than negative. And remember, the two of them were communicating by email starting from when she arrived here. IOW, he didn't blow her off, very much to the contrary. No spinning required. Just the facts. Shit, Bar, you know *we* know all that. Why on earth would you try to put this obvious lie over on us? You're so frantic with anger you're losing your marbles. Also, of course, she doesn't criticize you because you won't interact with her. She doesn't *want* you to interact with her. Jeez, who would?? She just wants to express her disgust with your consistently rotten behavior. That whole They're all upset because I refuse to interact business is a very feeble lie designed to prop up your ego. But nobody here believes it. We criticize you *because you're an obnoxious, dishonest, extremely low-vibe stinker who lets himself be run by his rage at the world.* Please explain to us what is a lie, Jude. After all, hasn't Ann admitted that the only reason she ever came to Fairfield Life in the first place is that she'd heard that Robin was posting here? You know...Robin...the guy who'd she last seen when he accused her of being demonically possessed in public and kicked her out of his organization and written her off forever, after which she went to the newspapers to blow the whistle on his cult in retaliation? Sure sounds a little like a stalker mentality to me. Please spin it a different way...if you can... As for rage, I shall allow lurkers to decide who sounds more enraged -- you and Ann, or moi... :-) -- *From:* authfriend@... authfriend@... *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, April 1, 2014 8:12 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield BARRY IS A LIAR. He knows none of this is true. His rage is truly out of control today. Ann's just a born stalker. She stalked Robin to FFL after what...20 years of NOT getting over him. And now she'll continue to stalk anyone else who blows her off and refuses to interact with her. It's just her M.O.
[FairfieldLife] Quiz time!
We all love a quiz at FFL. Pit your wits against the Grauniad's compound emotion photos. How many can you identify: http://www.theguardian.com/science/shortcuts/quiz/2014/apr/01/compound-emotions-ohio-state-university-quiz http://www.theguardian.com/science/shortcuts/quiz/2014/apr/01/compound-emotions-ohio-state-university-quiz
Re: [FairfieldLife] Quiz time!
We all love a quiz at FFL. Pit your wits against the Grauniad's compound emotion photos. How many can you identify: Why don't you just shut the fuck up? On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 2:32 PM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: We all love a quiz at FFL. Pit your wits against the Grauniad's compound emotion photos. How many can you identify: http://www.theguardian.com/science/shortcuts/quiz/2014/apr/01/compound-emotions-ohio-state-university-quiz
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Except, Barry, that you have a very, very long record of lying about all kinds of things. Why on earth should we think you're suddenly going to turn scrupulously honest when you start telling us what you think of your critics? Much of what you say about them is not truthful in any case, factually speaking. Your post about Ann below is an example, as I just pointed out. And you told umpty factual lies about me in your posts today. Since you lie factually to give context and support to your opinions, the most likely assumption is that you're also lying about your opinions. Many of your alleged opinions are so insanely out in left field that one can only hope you don't believe what you're saying. You never seem to have learned that being dishonest all the time, to the same group of people, has consequences for what they think of you. It doesn't take long before they have no reason to trust or believe you. Please explain to us what is a lie, Jude. After all, hasn't Ann admitted that the only reason she ever came to Fairfield Life in the first place is that she'd heard that Robin was posting here? You know...Robin...the guy who'd she last seen when he accused her of being demonically possessed in public and kicked her out of his organization and written her off forever, after which she went to the newspapers to blow the whistle on his cult in retaliation? Sure sounds a little like a stalker mentality to me. Please spin it a different way...if you can... As for rage, I shall allow lurkers to decide who sounds more enraged -- you and Ann, or moi... :-) Just as a followup point having to do with rage, has anyone noticed how Judy, Ann, Nabby, and Jim tend to have NO PROBLEM speculating about me and others they don't like here, based only on what they've read in my (our) posts, but seem to go batshit crazy when someone does exactly the same thing to them? One of the hallmarks of Narcissistic Personality Disorder, BTW, is a tendency to react to someone criticizing them by refusing to believe it's honest criticism. NPD sufferers almost always try to insist that the person saying things about them that don't fit their inner image is lying, because that's easier for their fragile egos to accept than accepting the fact that this is how someone actually sees them... From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield BARRY IS A LIAR. He knows none of this is true. His rage is truly out of control today. Ann's just a born stalker. She stalked Robin to FFL after what...20 years of NOT getting over him. And now she'll continue to stalk anyone else who blows her off and refuses to interact with her. It's just her M.O.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Creme is full of it
So, it's all about Benjamin Creme. On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.comwrote: From her very first book, Bailey showed her faith in Leadbeater by promulgating the teaching that the Second Coming of the Christ-Maitreya was close at hand. Always written in a distinctly Christian tone, Bailey's books developed an increasing emphasis on this theme until by the time of her death in 1949 she was writing about little else. She informed her readers that Maitreya had made a definite decision at the Gemini Full Moon of 1945 to reappear publicly on the world scene in person as soon as the necessary preparations could be made. He was apparently intending to fly in an aeroplane from his retreat in Asia and give mankind the new spiritual teaching it needs in order to bring about the civilisation and force of the New Age of Aquarius, although it was implied that he was not actually likely to do this until some time after the year 2025 and that until then it was the immediate and pressing task and duty of the Bailey followers to let the whole world know about it and to smooth the way for the auspicious event by daily reciting a type of prayer titled The Great Invocation. Although Bailey - who readily admitted of her own accord that she was a committed Christian - naturally preferred the name Christ to Maitreya and thus referred to him in many of her books solely as Christ, she nevertheless made it clear that she agreed entirely with Leadbeater about Christ and Maitreya being one and the same. Over the last few decades numerous individuals have come and gone, all claiming to be Maitreya, just as many pretenders have come and gone throughout history claiming to be Jesus. At the same time, the Alice Bailey followers and other pseudo-Theosophists continue to spread their Leadbeater-esque teachings, whilst Alice Bailey enthusiast Benjamin Creme in London assures his large international following that the Christ-Maitreya has already returned and has been living secretly in London since 1977, waiting patiently (when not flying around in his special starship) for the day when he can at last reveal himself to the world. Meanwhile, hundreds if not thousands of channelling enthusiasts flood the internet daily with what they announce as being the latest messages - all contradicting each other - fresh from Maitreya, for whom each of them claims to be the chosen mouthpiece. All this nonsense, this sheer fantasy and psychic delusion, goes directly back to C.W. Leadbeater, a man who has done more harm to the cause of modern spirituality than many have yet realised. http://blavatskytheosophy.com/maitreya-in-the-light-of-real-theosophy/
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Except, Barry, that you have a very, very long record of lying about all kinds of things. His record of lying goes so far back that I wouldn't be surprised if that's the reason he got kicked out of the TMO and the Rama cult. It just doesn't make any sense to lie like that and get caught so many times. Do you think he actually thought anyone would believe that he saw Rama levitate hundreds of times and yet the levitation events are never even mentioned in the only book about Rama by an insider? On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 2:34 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Except, Barry, that you have a very, very long record of lying about all kinds of things. Why on earth should we think you're suddenly going to turn scrupulously honest when you start telling us what you think of your critics? Much of what you say about them is not truthful in any case, factually speaking. Your post about Ann below is an example, as I just pointed out. And you told umpty factual lies about me in your posts today. Since you lie factually to give context and support to your opinions, the most likely assumption is that you're also lying about your opinions. Many of your alleged opinions are so insanely out in left field that one can only *hope* you don't believe what you're saying. You never seem to have learned that being dishonest all the time, to the same group of people, has consequences for what they think of you. It doesn't take long before they have no reason to trust or believe you. Please explain to us what is a lie, Jude. After all, hasn't Ann admitted that the only reason she ever came to Fairfield Life in the first place is that she'd heard that Robin was posting here? You know...Robin...the guy who'd she last seen when he accused her of being demonically possessed in public and kicked her out of his organization and written her off forever, after which she went to the newspapers to blow the whistle on his cult in retaliation? Sure sounds a little like a stalker mentality to me. Please spin it a different way...if you can... As for rage, I shall allow lurkers to decide who sounds more enraged -- you and Ann, or moi... :-) Just as a followup point having to do with rage, has anyone noticed how Judy, Ann, Nabby, and Jim tend to have NO PROBLEM speculating about me and others they don't like here, based only on what they've read in my (our) posts, but seem to go batshit crazy when someone does exactly the same thing to them? One of the hallmarks of Narcissistic Personality Disorder, BTW, is a tendency to react to someone criticizing them by refusing to believe it's honest criticism. NPD sufferers almost always try to insist that the person saying things about them that don't fit their inner image is lying, because that's easier for their fragile egos to accept than accepting the fact that this is how someone actually sees them... -- *From:* authfriend@... authfriend@... *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, April 1, 2014 8:12 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield BARRY IS A LIAR. He knows none of this is true. His rage is truly out of control today. Ann's just a born stalker. She stalked Robin to FFL after what...20 years of NOT getting over him. And now she'll continue to stalk anyone else who blows her off and refuses to interact with her. It's just her M.O.
RE: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield
Well said. It's also black-and-white thinking to accuse anyone who says anything less than 100 percent negative about the TMO/MMY of being a cult apologist. Ironically, Barry and Michael are guilty of this sort of thinking more than are most of the TMers on FFL. To say that “black and white thinking is EXACTLY what the TMO engages in and exactly how they advertise TM” is itself an expression of black and white thinking.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Quiz time!
I got ten out of ten. But then, I watched Lie To Me and read the books it was based on. :-) From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 9:32 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Quiz time! We all love a quiz at FFL. Pit your wits against the Grauniad's compound emotion photos. How many can you identify: Can you tell how people are feeling from their expressions? Quiz Can you tell how people are feeling from their expressio... Scientists have compiled a list of 21 compound emotions - such as angry sadness - but can we actually recognise them? Take our quiz View on www.theguardian.com Preview by Yahoo
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No, it doesn't. Did you not read the Wikipedia article I linked to? But my question stands even if we use your definition: Are you saying that being an apologist for a belief or idea that is unproveable or that other people think is unreasonable indicates that one is not fully developed? Thanks, Judy, I was replying to the connotation of the word apologist as I interpreted it in what Michael was saying. It does seem to have had, from the beginning, the connotation of defending a belief or idea that is somewhat unreasonable and or unproveable. On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 7:13 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote: Share, do you know what apologist means? Steve, since you asked me what I think (-: I think we all have apologist tendencies to some degree. Meaning that we all have parts of our brain that are still developing and maturing, are not yet fully developed. Because you seem to be saying here that being an apologist indicates that one is not fully developed, i.e., that apologist tendencies indicate a lack of maturity. You might just want to check out the actual meaning of the term: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apologetics http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apologetics
Re: [FairfieldLife] Quiz time!
I only got two! But I don't feel so bad if you've had previous exposure. I like the idea of being furiously confused or angrily wistful though, can't say I ever experienced those ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I got ten out of ten. But then, I watched Lie To Me and read the books it was based on. :-) From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 9:32 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Quiz time! We all love a quiz at FFL. Pit your wits against the Grauniad's compound emotion photos. How many can you identify: Can you tell how people are feeling from their expressions? Quiz http://www.theguardian.com/science/shortcuts/quiz/2014/apr/01/compound-emotions-ohio-state-university-quiz http://www.theguardian.com/science/shortcuts/quiz/2014/apr/01/compound-emotions-ohio-state-university-quiz Can you tell how people are feeling from their expressio... http://www.theguardian.com/science/shortcuts/quiz/2014/apr/01/compound-emotions-ohio-state-university-quiz Scientists have compiled a list of 21 compound emotions - such as angry sadness - but can we actually recognise them? Take our quiz View on www.theguardian.com http://www.theguardian.com/science/shortcuts/quiz/2014/apr/01/compound-emotions-ohio-state-university-quiz Preview by Yahoo
