[FairfieldLife] The only campaign poster Democrats will ever need

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Yeah, I know that I was railing against too-early-election propaganda here, but 
this struck me as sounding so like the sound of nails being driven into the 
coffin of the Republican Party that I thought I'd pass it along:

[FairfieldLife] Chritopher Moore suffereth not idiots lightly

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

A couple of days ago, Chris posted what I -- non-food-faddist that I am -- 
thought was an inoffensive and funny message on his Facebook page:


And he did sayeth unto them: 

"Gluten-free biscuits are an abomination unto the Lord." 

And they were all, "Really?" 

And he was like:"Yep."


Apparently, some of the gluten-free persuasion tooketh this not well, and 
started getting all serious and flaming 
Chris on his own page. Fools...they know not what they do:


And 
their panties did get in a bunch over a joke about biscuits, and they 
did whine like little bitches, for they did not understand that biscuits feel 
not, nor are their feelings hurt, for they are biscuits.

And lo, they did not understand, and thought everyone as ignorant as 
they, and so they did exclaim, "We are dumb as fucking rocks, and know 
only one way to react, because thou hast written our trigger word." 

And multitudes did pile on, until the multitude did grow into the 
thousands, and the whining did crack the sky with furious thunder. 

And lo, he said unto them, "It's about how gluten-free biscuits don't 
taste as good as regular biscuits, how are you not getting this?"

And they did exclaim, "Thou hast spoken unkindly of the celiacs!" Who 
were a people who lived upon the land and ate only of the gluten-free 
biscuits. 

But they were sorely butt-hurt, and would not cease their whining.

And lo, those in the land who were allergic to cat dander, spake thus: 
"Thou hast spoken harshly of biscuits, and we would have you speak thus 
of cat dander as well, for we would whine as well, and attract attention
 to ourselves, and behave like little bitches."

And then did the little bitches come forward...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re-Facilitating a Future and the New TM Movement:

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

The latest TM teacher training course costs $16,500. 

 They will give you scholarships up to $10,000 and loan up to $5000 that is 
forgivable if you go teach full-time for 2 years where they say.
 

 Reading between the lines of what videos about TTC say, if you are young 
enough (25ish), you can become a TM teacher for $1,500.
 

 

 L

Re: [FairfieldLife] A Little MIU Story

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

For what it is worth, the TM organization has learned its lesson to a certain 
extent. 

 Rusell Simonns has a new book that teaches meditation. The way it is written, 
many/most readers get the idea that he is teaching TM and that the David Lynch 
Foundation sanctions his writings.
 

 It ain't so.
 

 What IS so is the fact that Simmons has donated about $30 million to the DLF 
which has allowed them to teach about 100,000 students TM without charge.
 

 This brings one to an important ethical question:
 

 do you publicly reject Simmons for not teaching TM, or do you smile and simply 
refrain from endorsing the book and explain politely, when asked, that Simmons 
isn't a TM teacher and his books really isn't about TM, no matter what he says 
or implies?
 

 Simmons has enough money to easily sponsor another 100,000 students to learn 
TM over the next decade just has he has done over the past decade. What would 
YOU do in this situation, given the beliefs of the people who run the DLF?
 

 L
 

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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 That's pretty much it. Nice story, and well-told. Put that in your pipe and 
smoke it, you who claim that TM is not a cult.
 

 This does not necessarily mean TM is a cult. What it means is that some of the 
people who hold power within the system/Movement are threatened and overly 
paranoid about certain activities of others. They feel the need to censor 
people who wish to explore other things in life. This could be said about 
jealous spouses, corporations who guard their 'secrets' carefully or hope their 
employees stay firmly ensconced within their place of work or any number of 
institutions, clubs and businesses who do not take kindly to their 'members' 
checking out other options. It is a common characteristic in many walks of life 
to want to limit the exposure of one's 'members' to stay close to home because 
to stray might mean divorce, loss of income or loss of expertise. Are all of 
these things cults? I don't think so. It is human nature to guard what it 
considers assets carefully, that is all.
 

 As a former State Coordinator, I can tell you that I was instructed to 
similarly "keep an eye on" TM teachers in the Oregon-Washington area. I can 
also tell you that I failed miserably in my duties, and never said shit to 
anyone back at National.  :-)

 

 From: "Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Sunday, June 1, 2014 4:42 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] A Little MIU Story
 
 
   
 I was talking to my Kentucky friend Bob the other day. Bob was MIU for eight 
years total, as a student for most of them, but he worked on staff from time to 
time. This is what he told me.
 

 "Yeah I was there during the Robin Carlsen years. I went to see him once, just 
once, out of curiosity really. And it was interesting, but he was kinda strange 
I thought. He was kinda strange. Now one thing, he did have some energy, no 
question about it. He looked directly in my eyes and man I felt like he was 
peering into all the deep dark stuff that was in there, you know?
 

 But he was really kinda strange, and from what I could see of his stuff, well 
he was doing exorcisms is what he was really doing with people. But anyway I 
only went that one time, and that was the only time I saw him except for the 
time he came to a Charlie Lutes talk and I was there.
 

 But anyway, I went back on campus after the Robin Carlsen thing, and went to 
work the next day like usual, I was working the in press at that time and about 
half way through the day a guy comes in and says "Bob, the Ad Council wants to 
see you."
 

 So I said ok and man, there were a few guys in the press that day, and none of 
'em would look me straight in the eye, they all had these hang dog looks on 
their faces and would only look at me out of the sides of their eyes.
 

 So I followed this guy on over to where they were waiting for me, and I walk 
in the room and there is Bill Rist, Mario Orsati and James Beddinger. There was 
one other guy there too, but I can't remember who it was. They sit me down and 
started in on the interrogation. They asked me all kinds of questions about my 
going to see Robin, but the main thing they kept asking me over and over was 
"Do you believe in him?"
 

 So I told 'em what I knew they wanted to hear, like I thought he was flakey 
and I just went that one time out of curiosity and stuff like that. I guess I 
satisfied them, cause they didn't kick me out, but they sure did give me some 
lectures about how I needed to be careful about what I did as a staff or 
student and I needed to be careful about my behavior and my thinking.
 

 And that was the end of it, except that after that every time I saw James 
around campus he would give me these looks, you know, like "I'm watching you 
boy!" kind of looks.
 

 And I swear, you know I am a big and was a big Charlie Lutes fan so w

Re: [FairfieldLife] Why white belt should be the highest rank in martial arts

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 6/1/2014 10:04 PM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:punditster@... wrote :
 
 On 6/1/2014 9:26 PM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:

   Now Share knows who to attribute to her opinion that it was "succinctly and 
beautifully written". 


 >
 Oh my Gawd!!! Richard quoted a review on Amazon by a fellow that quoted 
Randall Bassett almost verbatim from the book. Let's see - I've been posting 
about Randall Basset's book since at least 2000 on alt.m.t. and as recently as 
2007 on FFL. But not one single informant bothered to read the book - and 
apparently nobody has struck a mock self-defensive pose until now. Go figure. 
 Ohhh Ricky, plagiarism. I'm shocked and disappointed. You've been found out. 
Somehow I don't think this would have surprised Bob Price. However, it would 
have gotten you kicked out of University if you were a student and fired if you 
were a Professor. Luckily, this is just FFL.
 


 >
 So, it's all about Ricky. 
 Right now it appears to be. 
 >
 
 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/142497 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/142497
 >
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:authfriend@... wrote :
 
 Sad.
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote :
 
 I thought it might be cribbed too, but couldn't find it. "Richard!  Be 
honest! " 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:authfriend@... wrote :
 
 Hate to say it, but a lot of what he wrote was cribbed from an Amazon reader 
review of a book on karate: 
 
 http://www.amazon.com/Zen-Karate-Randall-Bassett/dp/0446781649 
http://www.amazon.com/Zen-Karate-Randall-Bassett/dp/0446781649
 
 
 
 Check out the review by H. Asbury.
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 
 Succinctly and beautifully written, Richard, thank you.
 
 
 

 On Sunday, June 1, 2014 12:52 PM, "'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... 
[FairfieldLife]"  
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
 
 
   On 6/1/2014 9:49 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

 For those of you who never studied martial arts, a white belt is the rank you 
are given as a beginner. >
 A white belt is the belt you get when you buy a karate uniform. The first 
class I attended was when my parents were stationed in Japan in 1959 in the 
USAF. What is important in martial arts isn't the clothing you wear or your 
rank at a dojo - what is important is self control which begins in the mind. An 
effective self defense is greatly a function of our awareness of the 
surroundings in the outside world; our ability to control the content of our 
mind under stress; and our ability to remove ourselves as a "target" by our 
behavior and mindset. Most instructors only give lip service to mental 
preparation such as meditation and spend more time discussing physical tactics. 
Self defense is as much mental as physical.
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Why white belt should be the highest rank in martial arts

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Richard, you got caught using someone else's words without attribution, 
pretending they were your own. Maybe you do it frequently; I don't know. I 
don't read most of your posts, and I have no interest in Bassett's book. Share 
called attention to this paragraph as well written, and I noticed that some of 
it was more elegant than your usual style; apparently Emily did as well. I did 
a search on one of the phrases and turned up this reader review on Amazon. 
Plagiarism is dishonest, and you should know better. There are no excuses for 
it. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 6/1/2014 8:44 PM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:

 Hate to say it, but a lot of what he wrote was cribbed from an Amazon reader 
review of a book on karate:
 >
 Just for the record, I've probably posted reviews of Bassett's book at least 
six times since 2000 and Judy failed to post a single  comment until today. 
Finally, after fourteen years she looked it up on Amazon. She is getting to be 
quite the researcher and informant these days - a little slow on the uptake, 
but still mean as a Junk Yard Dog. BARK! Very impressive.
 
 
 http://www.amazon.com/Zen-Karate-Randall-Bassett/dp/0446781649 
http://www.amazon.com/Zen-Karate-Randall-Bassett/dp/0446781649
 
 
 
 Check out the review by H. Asbury.
 >
 It kind of looks like H. Asbury and Richard both have cribbed a lot from 
Bassett's book. When are you going to read it? Go figure.
 
 According to Sensei Randall Bassett, self defense, in its purest form, largely 
consists of obtaining an insight into the limitations of force as a way of 
resolving human conflict. Outside the classic mugging situation, people fight 
because they feel, at least momentarily, small inside, helpless, and impotent. 
In fact, aggression cannot be understood without understanding just how far men 
will go to prove that they are not nobodies. "It is a lack of inner confidence 
that fuels most violence." - Sensei Randal Bassett
 

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On 6/1/2014 10:04 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

On 6/1/2014 9:26 PM, emilymaenot@...  
[FairfieldLife] wrote:



Now Share knows who to attribute to her opinion that it was
"succinctly and beautifully written". 


>
Oh my Gawd!!! Richard quoted a review on Amazon by a fellow that
quoted Randall Bassett almost verbatim from the book. Let's see -
I've been posting about Randall Basset's book since at least 2000
on alt.m.t. and as recently as 2007 on FFL. But not one single
informant bothered to read the book - and apparently nobody has
struck a mock self-defensive pose until now. Go figure.


Ohhh Ricky, plagiarism. I'm shocked and disappointed. You've been
found out. Somehow I don't think this would have surprised Bob
Price. However, it would have gotten you kicked out of University
if you were a student and fired if you were a Professor. Luckily,
this is just FFL.


>
So, it's all about Ricky.
>




https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/142497
>



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
, 
 wrote :

Sad.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
, 
 wrote :

I thought it might be cribbed too, but couldn't find it.
"Richard!  Be honest! "


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
, 
 wrote :

Hate to say it, but a lot of what he wrote was cribbed from an
Amazon reader review of a book on karate:

http://www.amazon.com/Zen-Karate-Randall-Bassett/dp/0446781649

Check out the review by H. Asbury.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
, 
 wrote :

Succinctly and beautifully written, Richard, thank you.


On Sunday, June 1, 2014 12:52 PM, "'Richard J. Williams'
punditster@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:


On 6/1/2014 9:49 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@...
 [FairfieldLife] wrote:


For those of you who never studied martial arts,
a white belt is the rank you are given as a
beginner.

>
A white belt is the belt you get when you buy a
karate uniform. The first class I attended was
when my parents were stationed in Japan in 1959
in the USAF. What is important in martial arts
isn't the clothing you wear or your rank at a
dojo - what is important is self control which
/begins in the mind/. An effective self defense
is greatly a function of our awareness of the
surroundings in the outside world; our ability to
control the content of our mind under stress; and
our ability to remove ourselves as a "target" by
our behavior and mindset. Most instructors only
give lip service to mental preparation such as
meditation and spend more time discussing
physical tactics. Self defense is as much mental
as physical.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] A Little MIU Story

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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 That's pretty much it. Nice story, and well-told. Put that in your pipe and 
smoke it, you who claim that TM is not a cult.
 

 This does not necessarily mean TM is a cult. What it means is that some of the 
people who hold power within the system/Movement are threatened and overly 
paranoid about certain activities of others. They feel the need to censor 
people who wish to explore other things in life. This could be said about 
jealous spouses, corporations who guard their 'secrets' carefully or hope their 
employees stay firmly ensconced within their place of work or any number of 
institutions, clubs and businesses who do not take kindly to their 'members' 
checking out other options. It is a common characteristic in many walks of life 
to want to limit the exposure of one's 'members' to stay close to home because 
to stray might mean divorce, loss of income or loss of expertise. Are all of 
these things cults? I don't think so. It is human nature to guard what it 
considers assets carefully, that is all.
 

 As a former State Coordinator, I can tell you that I was instructed to 
similarly "keep an eye on" TM teachers in the Oregon-Washington area. I can 
also tell you that I failed miserably in my duties, and never said shit to 
anyone back at National.  :-)

 

 From: "Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Sunday, June 1, 2014 4:42 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] A Little MIU Story
 
 
   
 I was talking to my Kentucky friend Bob the other day. Bob was MIU for eight 
years total, as a student for most of them, but he worked on staff from time to 
time. This is what he told me.
 

 "Yeah I was there during the Robin Carlsen years. I went to see him once, just 
once, out of curiosity really. And it was interesting, but he was kinda strange 
I thought. He was kinda strange. Now one thing, he did have some energy, no 
question about it. He looked directly in my eyes and man I felt like he was 
peering into all the deep dark stuff that was in there, you know?
 

 But he was really kinda strange, and from what I could see of his stuff, well 
he was doing exorcisms is what he was really doing with people. But anyway I 
only went that one time, and that was the only time I saw him except for the 
time he came to a Charlie Lutes talk and I was there.
 

 But anyway, I went back on campus after the Robin Carlsen thing, and went to 
work the next day like usual, I was working the in press at that time and about 
half way through the day a guy comes in and says "Bob, the Ad Council wants to 
see you."
 

 So I said ok and man, there were a few guys in the press that day, and none of 
'em would look me straight in the eye, they all had these hang dog looks on 
their faces and would only look at me out of the sides of their eyes.
 

 So I followed this guy on over to where they were waiting for me, and I walk 
in the room and there is Bill Rist, Mario Orsati and James Beddinger. There was 
one other guy there too, but I can't remember who it was. They sit me down and 
started in on the interrogation. They asked me all kinds of questions about my 
going to see Robin, but the main thing they kept asking me over and over was 
"Do you believe in him?"
 

 So I told 'em what I knew they wanted to hear, like I thought he was flakey 
and I just went that one time out of curiosity and stuff like that. I guess I 
satisfied them, cause they didn't kick me out, but they sure did give me some 
lectures about how I needed to be careful about what I did as a staff or 
student and I needed to be careful about my behavior and my thinking.
 

 And that was the end of it, except that after that every time I saw James 
around campus he would give me these looks, you know, like "I'm watching you 
boy!" kind of looks.
 

 And I swear, you know I am a big and was a big Charlie Lutes fan so whenever 
Charlie would come anywhere close to Fairfield, I would always go see him. But 
after that "meeting" with Bill Rist and Mario and James, ever after that when I 
would come back on campus after seeing Charlie, there would come James. 

 

 It didn't matter if I was headed to my room or the dining hall or student 
union, or wherever I would be, just a few minutes after getting back on campus, 
James would come walking by. He would just say hello, but I knew he was letting 
me know he knew I had gone to see Charlie.
 

 The other thing that happened was from then on any time I applied for a course 
of any kind, WPA or whatever my application was always held up and I had to 
answer questions about going to see Robin Carlsen that one time. And that went 
on while I was staff and student and for years after, even when I would apply 
to go to a WPA in Louisville or someplace, they have always asked me about 
going to see Robin.

 



 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Why white belt should be the highest rank in martial arts

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 6/1/2014 8:44 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Hate to say it, but a lot of what he wrote was cribbed from an Amazon 
reader review of a book on karate:



>
Just for the record, I've probably posted reviews of Bassett's book at 
least six times since 2000 and Judy failed to post a single comment 
until today. Finally, after fourteen years she looked it up on Amazon. 
She is getting to be quite the researcher and informant these days - a 
little slow on the uptake, but still mean as a Junk Yard Dog. BARK! Very 
impressive.


http://www.amazon.com/Zen-Karate-Randall-Bassett/dp/0446781649

Check out the review by H. Asbury.

>
It kind of looks like H. Asbury and Richard both have cribbed a lot from 
Bassett's book. When are you going to read it? Go figure.


According to Sensei Randall Bassett, self defense, in its purest form, 
largely consists of obtaining an insight into the limitations of force 
as a way of resolving human conflict. Outside the classic mugging 
situation, people fight because they feel, at least momentarily, small 
inside, helpless, and impotent. In fact, aggression cannot be understood 
without understanding just how far men will go to prove that they are 
not nobodies. "It is a lack of inner confidence that fuels most 
violence." - Sensei Randal Bassett



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Why white belt should be the highest rank in martial arts

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 For those of you who never studied martial arts, a white belt is the rank you 
are given as a beginner. The rankings then progress after six months or so 
through a variety of gaudy colors to give the newbies a sense of progress, and 
then to the first real ranking, brown belt. That qualifies you as a "beginner 
with good intentions," and in a reputable karate dojo takes 1-2 years to 
achieve. Put in another 2 years of dues in the same reputable dojo, and you 
might finally make black belt, which designates you as "still a beginner but 
one who can finally be taken seriously." Only the higher black belt rankings -- 
especially above fifth degree -- can ever *really* be taken seriously, and they 
often require a lifetime of effort. 

Back in the Rama trip, we all studied martial arts. People could pick their 
discipline -- karate, judo, aikido, tae kwon do, tai chi, jiu-jitsu, whatever 
-- but you had to be in the dojo several times a week. Rama felt that it was 
good for improving our meditation by making us more fit, but also good for our 
careers by teaching us how to deal with competition. 

Interestingly enough, our equal emphasis on career led to a really funny 
(although you may have "had to have been there" to get it fully) one-liner I 
heard from a female Rama student towards the end of my time in that trip. We 
had managed to avoid each other for over a decade, but ran into each other at 
Grand Central one day after work and, having missed our train, decided to have 
a drink and a snack in the famous Oyster Bar. When the inevitable subject of 
"Where do you study martial arts?" came up, she laughed and said, "A new place. 
I've got a white belt in nine different styles of karate." 

I laughed so hard I may have spit my margarita on her, because I understood. We 
moved so often that it was difficult to advance in belt ranks, simply because 
we moved so much. And in most of the karate dojos, if you came from another 
school -- even if you had attained a brown belt or a black belt there -- you 
were immediately assigned the rank of white belt. 

I always thought that this was a *wonderful* tradition. It weeded out the 
narcissists and the egomaniacs, who would never allow themselves to be seen in 
a lowly white belt again, as if they were mere beginners. For those who had no 
problem with this, like my new friend and I, we had been white belts a LOT, and 
knew how valuable it was. As a white belt, you unconsciously take on Beginner's 
Mind again. You don't assume that you "know everything" already, and as a 
result can actually *learn* from the new teacher. Being willing to put on a 
white belt again -- even after in my case over a dozen years studying karate -- 
was IMO simultaneously an indicator of humility and an indicator of having an 
open mind, being willing to learn something new. 

Which is why I have less respect for many long-term TMers than they sometimes 
believe I should have. *Especially* if they've been at some point a TM teacher, 
remarkably few of them I've encountered have ever had the humility to put on a 
white belt and Beginner's Mind and learn another technique of meditation. And 
by learn, I mean *take a class*, and learn from someone who has been trained 
how to teach that technique, not "read a book." 

There have been a few long-term TMers I have met on this forum who have done 
this, and I admire them. Who I don't admire as much are the others who have 
never -- and who in fact would never consider -- donning a white belt again and 
learning another technique of meditation. They've become so convinced by 
Maharishi's ego-pandering that they're "black belts in meditation" that they 
don't feel that they could possibly have anything to learn from another 
meditation teacher or tradition. These types of TMers -- who are fortunately 
becoming fewer as the TM movement falls apart -- IMO couldn't achieve 
Beginner's Mind again on a bet. 

I think that's sad, "achieving" a state in which one believes that one really 
doesn't have anything more to learn. I'd prefer to hang with the white belts 
any day, because they're willing to learn more, and *build upon* the things 
they've already learned. The lady I had drinks with in New York -- who had two 
black belts to her credit when she spoke her one-liner to me -- is now a 
fifth-degree black belt, working on her sixth. To paraphrase the I Ching, 
"Perseverance -- and humility -- furthers." 
 

 OK, so maybe the ultimate test of egolessness would be for the sixth degree of 
black belt to be wearing the white belt and never letting anyone know their 
real level.



 

Re: [FairfieldLife] A Little MIU Story

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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 FWIW, Robin wasn't just some harmless saint folks went to see to soak up a 
little darshan. He was perceived by the MIU leaders to be a real threat, 
especially to group TM-Sidhis practice; he had dreamed up some new 
"sutras"--focusing on himself, I believe--that he wanted his followers to use. 
(Ann, is that correct?) 
 

 Yes, that is correct but the sutras were not really "new", just the first few 
words you had to add at the beginning had the Robin "touch".
 

 He was perhaps even more of a threat because he was totally committed to 
Maharishi, insisting that MIU had taken a wrong turn and was destroying the 
value of Maharishi's teaching.
 

 Correct. He was someone who had a pretty good 'case' for how the Movement had 
failed MMY. He was rebellious but only in the way that was intended to keep the 
Movement on the course that would do the greatest justice to the teaching of 
MMY, or so he believed. He was a Western man who was well-spoken, attractive, 
young, modern, a dedicated TM teacher and he could be persuasive so of course 
they feared him. Plus, he moved himself ten blocks from campus. He wasn't 
bothered about ruffling feathers, raising eyebrows, stirring the pot or 
basically disturbing the shit out of the stuffed shirts. This is exactly what 
appealed to me. I wasn't interested in the purity of the Movement or the 
teaching. I just liked being a part of something that was upsetting the status 
quo. Oh, and we had a hell of a good time for a while there. We were just so 
God darn incorrigible. 
 

 If anyone is interested, in the FFL Files section, under "Miscellaneous 
Writings," is a file called "RWC ledger 83.pdf," which is the reproduction of 
an ad Robin had placed in the Ledger when he was there in 1983 explaining his 
position.
 




 



 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Why white belt should be the highest rank in martial arts

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 On 6/1/2014 9:26 PM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:

   Now Share knows who to attribute to her opinion that it was "succinctly and 
beautifully written". 


 >
 Oh my Gawd!!! Richard quoted a review on Amazon by a fellow that quoted 
Randall Bassett almost verbatim from the book. Let's see - I've been posting 
about Randall Basset's book since at least 2000 on alt.m.t. and as recently as 
2007 on FFL. But not one single informant bothered to read the book - and 
apparently nobody has struck a mock self-defensive pose until now. Go figure. 
 Ohhh Ricky, plagiarism. I'm shocked and disappointed. You've been found out. 
Somehow I don't think this would have surprised Bob Price. However, it would 
have gotten you kicked out of University if you were a student and fired if you 
were a Professor. Luckily, this is just FFL.
 
 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/142497 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/142497
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 mailto:authfriend@... wrote :
 
 Sad.
 
 
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 mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote :
 
 I thought it might be cribbed too, but couldn't find it. "Richard!  Be 
honest! " 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:authfriend@... wrote :
 
 Hate to say it, but a lot of what he wrote was cribbed from an Amazon reader 
review of a book on karate: 
 
 http://www.amazon.com/Zen-Karate-Randall-Bassett/dp/0446781649 
http://www.amazon.com/Zen-Karate-Randall-Bassett/dp/0446781649
 
 
 
 Check out the review by H. Asbury.
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 
 Succinctly and beautifully written, Richard, thank you.
 
 
 

 On Sunday, June 1, 2014 12:52 PM, "'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... 
[FairfieldLife]"  
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
 
 
   On 6/1/2014 9:49 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

 For those of you who never studied martial arts, a white belt is the rank you 
are given as a beginner. >
 A white belt is the belt you get when you buy a karate uniform. The first 
class I attended was when my parents were stationed in Japan in 1959 in the 
USAF. What is important in martial arts isn't the clothing you wear or your 
rank at a dojo - what is important is self control which begins in the mind. An 
effective self defense is greatly a function of our awareness of the 
surroundings in the outside world; our ability to control the content of our 
mind under stress; and our ability to remove ourselves as a "target" by our 
behavior and mindset. Most instructors only give lip service to mental 
preparation such as meditation and spend more time discussing physical tactics. 
Self defense is as much mental as physical.
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Celibacy and kaivalya??

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 6/1/2014 8:49 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
Richard, yoga comes from root meaning yoked or union. Are you saying 
that the goal of union is to separate?!

>
You *isolate* the Purusha from the prakriti and then the Self stands all 
by itself. According to Patanjali, Raja Yoga has nothing to do with 
/'union with the gods'/, but has everything to do with 'isolation from 
prakriti', that is, the 'cessation of the fluctuations of the 
mind-stuff'. To Patanjali, the 'Royal Yoga' is the attainment of 
freedom, based on the sheer willpower of the individual. The Sage Kapila 
said that success in attaing freedom from suffering is found in 
individual willpower to knowledge; individual freedom is not the result 
of any source of power outside one's own body-mind.


"Confusion arises from erroneously identifying words, objects, and ideas 
with one another; knowledge of the cries of all creatures comes through 
perfect discipline of the distinctions between them" (Y.S. 3.17).



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Lightmint vs EEG claptrap

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

On the other hand, we have this, which is Maharishi's response to complaints 
about studying enlightenment via modern science: 

 Spiritual and Material Values
 

 Every experience has its level of physiology, and so unbounded awareness has 
its own level of physiology which can be measured. Every aspect of life is 
integrated and connected with every other phase. When we talk of scientific 
measurements, it does not take away from the spiritual experience. We are not 
responsible for those times when spiritual experience was thought of as 
metaphysical. Everything is physical. Consciousness is the product of the 
functioning of the brain. Talking of scientific measurements is no damage to 
that wholeness of life which is present everywhere and which begins to be lived 
when the physiology is taking on a particular form. This is our understanding 
about spirituality: it is not on the level of faith --it is on the level of 
blood and bone and flesh and activity. It is measurable.
 

 -Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
 

 

 

 

 Waiting for the wailing and gnashing of teeth (not just weeping).

 

 

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 Apparently none of the posters on this thread read the short article by Swartz 
about the difference between mindfulness and awakening to the innate awareness 
that makes us what we are.
 

  The actual discussion by James Swartz was about the difference between the 
practice of Buddhist Vipassana and its relationship to the Vedanta teachings 
about awakening to one’s invariant witness-awareness.
 

 EEG's indicate nothing about Lightmint and have never demonstrated anything 
about consciousness "as such". The assumption is that EEG brain activity 
enumerates variant forms of subjectivity, all the while never investigating 
this unsupported claim itself. That assumption is not challenged because it 
attacks the very funding-base (University and Institutional) that supports most 
of these studies. Read it and Weep, Weep, Weep. 

 

 “The reflected awareness that bounces off the tiny mirror of an individual 
intellect and makes perception and inference possible casts such a small 
penumbra of light that it is impossible for it to reveal the complete cognitive 
process. It may reveal those parts of the chain of experience that are less 
subtle than it but it cannot illumine the causal factors of which it is an 
effect. Modern psychology has developed an understanding this process, which 
Vedanta does not contradict. But, because it assumes that consciousness is an 
effect of matter, it does not understand the actual relationship between 
awareness/consciousness and matter and therefore is of no help in our inquiry 
into the self.”
 

 James Swartz, Discrimination between the Self and the Not-Self

Re: [FairfieldLife] Why white belt should be the highest rank in martial arts

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 6/1/2014 9:26 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Now Share knows who to attribute to her opinion that it was 
"succinctly and beautifully written". 



>
Oh my Gawd!!! Richard quoted a review on Amazon by a fellow that quoted 
Randall Bassett almost verbatim from the book. Let's see - I've been 
posting about Randall Basset's book since at least 2000 on alt.m.t. and 
as recently as 2007 on FFL. But not one single informant bothered to 
read the book - and apparently nobody has struck a mock self-defensive 
pose until now. Go figure.


https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/142497
>



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Sad.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I thought it might be cribbed too, but couldn't find it. "Richard! 
 Be honest! "



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Hate to say it, but a lot of what he wrote was cribbed from an Amazon 
reader review of a book on karate:


http://www.amazon.com/Zen-Karate-Randall-Bassett/dp/0446781649

Check out the review by H. Asbury.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Succinctly and beautifully written, Richard, thank you.


On Sunday, June 1, 2014 12:52 PM, "'Richard J. Williams' 
punditster@... [FairfieldLife]"  wrote:



On 6/1/2014 9:49 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... 
 [FairfieldLife] wrote:



For those of you who never studied martial arts, a
white belt is the rank you are given as a beginner.

>
A white belt is the belt you get when you buy a karate
uniform. The first class I attended was when my
parents were stationed in Japan in 1959 in the USAF.
What is important in martial arts isn't the clothing
you wear or your rank at a dojo - what is important is
self control which /begins in the mind/. An effective
self defense is greatly a function of our awareness of
the surroundings in the outside world; our ability to
control the content of our mind under stress; and our
ability to remove ourselves as a "target" by our
behavior and mindset. Most instructors only give lip
service to mental preparation such as meditation and
spend more time discussing physical tactics. Self
defense is as much mental as physical.




   
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Why white belt should be the highest rank in martial arts

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

> > our ability to control the content of our mind under stress;
> > and our ability to remove ourselves as a "target" by our
> > behavior and mindset.
> >
On 6/1/2014 9:07 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Sad.


>
You are supposed to read the messages BEFORE you post your comments.

According to the philosophy of Self-defense, the best self-defense is to 
have no enemies.


Forum: alt.meditation.transcendental
Thread: TM and Self Defense
Subject:  A treatise on managing internal energies in adversity.
Author: willytex
Date: 11/14/2000
http://tinyurl.com/ohqeudm
>



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I thought it might be cribbed too, but couldn't find it. "Richard! 
 Be honest! "



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Hate to say it, but a lot of what he wrote was cribbed from an Amazon 
reader review of a book on karate:


http://www.amazon.com/Zen-Karate-Randall-Bassett/dp/0446781649

Check out the review by H. Asbury.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Succinctly and beautifully written, Richard, thank you.


On Sunday, June 1, 2014 12:52 PM, "'Richard J. Williams' 
punditster@... [FairfieldLife]"  wrote:



On 6/1/2014 9:49 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... 
 [FairfieldLife] wrote:



For those of you who never studied martial arts, a white
belt is the rank you are given as a beginner.

>
A white belt is the belt you get when you buy a karate
uniform. The first class I attended was when my parents
were stationed in Japan in 1959 in the USAF. What is
important in martial arts isn't the clothing you wear or
your rank at a dojo - what is important is self control
which /begins in the mind/. An effective self defense is
greatly a function of our awareness of the surroundings in
the outside world; our ability to control the content of
our mind under stress; and our ability to remove ourselves
as a "target" by our behavior and mindset. Most
instructors only give lip service to mental preparation
such as meditation and spend more time discussing physical
tactics. Self defense is as much mental as physical.




   
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[FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I forget Sal, who is it that claims TM did not, of does not have some cultish 
elements about it?  I mean, I know you have a minor orgasm when you come upon 
some new example. 

 I left before the Robin Carlson period, but I imagine he created quite a 
challenge to the existing structure.  So, I am not surprised that the powers 
that be felt alarmed.
 

 Can you imagine a similar thing happening with any other teacher?  Name one. 
Name any.  How would it have played out?  What about Rama if someone emerged to 
present a significant challenge?
 

 On the other hand, the separation of Sri Sri Ravi Shankar was, by all 
appearances, an amicable parting.  So how do you explain that.
 

 

 
 

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How to tell if you're in a cult #75 

 Seems rather fragile this invincibility, eh?
 

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 I was talking to my Kentucky friend Bob the other day. Bob was MIU for eight 
years total, as a student for most of them, but he worked on staff from time to 
time. This is what he told me.
 

 "Yeah I was there during the Robin Carlsen years. I went to see him once, just 
once, out of curiosity really. And it was interesting, but he was kinda strange 
I thought. He was kinda strange. Now one thing, he did have some energy, no 
question about it. He looked directly in my eyes and man I felt like he was 
peering into all the deep dark stuff that was in there, you know?
 

 But he was really kinda strange, and from what I could see of his stuff, well 
he was doing exorcisms is what he was really doing with people. But anyway I 
only went that one time, and that was the only time I saw him except for the 
time he came to a Charlie Lutes talk and I was there.
 

 But anyway, I went back on campus after the Robin Carlsen thing, and went to 
work the next day like usual, I was working the in press at that time and about 
half way through the day a guy comes in and says "Bob, the Ad Council wants to 
see you."
 

 So I said ok and man, there were a few guys in the press that day, and none of 
'em would look me straight in the eye, they all had these hang dog looks on 
their faces and would only look at me out of the sides of their eyes.
 

 So I followed this guy on over to where they were waiting for me, and I walk 
in the room and there is Bill Rist, Mario Orsati and James Beddinger. There was 
one other guy there too, but I can't remember who it was. They sit me down and 
started in on the interrogation. They asked me all kinds of questions about my 
going to see Robin, but the main thing they kept asking me over and over was 
"Do you believe in him?"
 

 So I told 'em what I knew they wanted to hear, like I thought he was flakey 
and I just went that one time out of curiosity and stuff like that. I guess I 
satisfied them, cause they didn't kick me out, but they sure did give me some 
lectures about how I needed to be careful about what I did as a staff or 
student and I needed to be careful about my behavior and my thinking.
 

 And that was the end of it, except that after that every time I saw James 
around campus he would give me these looks, you know, like "I'm watching you 
boy!" kind of looks.
 

 And I swear, you know I am a big and was a big Charlie Lutes fan so whenever 
Charlie would come anywhere close to Fairfield, I would always go see him. But 
after that "meeting" with Bill Rist and Mario and James, ever after that when I 
would come back on campus after seeing Charlie, there would come James. 

 

 It didn't matter if I was headed to my room or the dining hall or student 
union, or wherever I would be, just a few minutes after getting back on campus, 
James would come walking by. He would just say hello, but I knew he was letting 
me know he knew I had gone to see Charlie.
 

 The other thing that happened was from then on any time I applied for a course 
of any kind, WPA or whatever my application was always held up and I had to 
answer questions about going to see Robin Carlsen that one time. And that went 
on while I was staff and student and for years after, even when I would apply 
to go to a WPA in Louisville or someplace, they have always asked me about 
going to see Robin.

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Why white belt should be the highest rank in martial arts

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 6/1/2014 8:44 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Hate to say it, but a lot of what he wrote was cribbed from an Amazon 
reader review of a book on karate:



http://www.amazon.com/Zen-Karate-Randall-Bassett/dp/0446781649

Check out the review by H. Asbury.

>
Check out this review of /Zen Karate/, by Randall Basset, which I posted 
in 2000, seven years before the review by H. Asbury. Do you have any 
comments to post on martial arts? Go figure.


Forum: alt.meditation.transcendental
Thread: TM and Self Defense
Subject:  A treatise on managing internal energies in adversity.
Author: willytex
Date: 11/14/2000
http://tinyurl.com/ohqeudm


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Why white belt should be the highest rank in martial arts

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Now Share knows who to attribute to her opinion that it was "succinctly and 
beautifully written". 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Sad.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I thought it might be cribbed too, but couldn't find it. "Richard!  Be 
honest! " 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Hate to say it, but a lot of what he wrote was cribbed from an Amazon reader 
review of a book on karate: 

 http://www.amazon.com/Zen-Karate-Randall-Bassett/dp/0446781649 
http://www.amazon.com/Zen-Karate-Randall-Bassett/dp/0446781649

 

 Check out the review by H. Asbury.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Succinctly and beautifully written, Richard, thank you.

 


 On Sunday, June 1, 2014 12:52 PM, "'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... 
[FairfieldLife]"  wrote:
 
 

   
 On 6/1/2014 9:49 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

 For those of you who never studied martial arts, a white belt is the rank you 
are given as a beginner. >
 A white belt is the belt you get when you buy a karate uniform. The first 
class I attended was when my parents were stationed in Japan in 1959 in the 
USAF. What is important in martial arts isn't the clothing you wear or your 
rank at a dojo - what is important is self control which begins in the mind. An 
effective self defense is greatly a function of our awareness of the 
surroundings in the outside world; our ability to control the content of our 
mind under stress; and our ability to remove ourselves as a "target" by our 
behavior and mindset. Most instructors only give lip service to mental 
preparation such as meditation and spend more time discussing physical tactics. 
Self defense is as much mental as physical.
 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Celibacy and kaivalya??

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 6/1/2014 8:36 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
this dualism is certainly true of one level of reality. But I'll go 
with Maharishi on this and he has explained that even in every cell of 
our body, at the deepest level, Purusha IS Prakriti.

>
Purusha has the /appearance/ of being the same as Purusha - the key word 
here is "appears." Advaita (not-two in Sanskrit) refers to the identity 
of the true Self, Atman, which is /pure consciousness/, and the highest 
Reality, Brahman, which is also pure consciousness. According to 
Gaudapada, the Absolute is not subject to birth, change and death. The 
Absolute is aja, the unborn eternal. The empirical world of appearances, 
prakriti, is considered unreal, and not absolutely existent.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Why white belt should be the highest rank in martial arts

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Sad.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I thought it might be cribbed too, but couldn't find it. "Richard!  Be 
honest! " 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Hate to say it, but a lot of what he wrote was cribbed from an Amazon reader 
review of a book on karate: 

 http://www.amazon.com/Zen-Karate-Randall-Bassett/dp/0446781649 
http://www.amazon.com/Zen-Karate-Randall-Bassett/dp/0446781649

 

 Check out the review by H. Asbury.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Succinctly and beautifully written, Richard, thank you.

 


 On Sunday, June 1, 2014 12:52 PM, "'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... 
[FairfieldLife]"  wrote:
 
 

   
 On 6/1/2014 9:49 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

 For those of you who never studied martial arts, a white belt is the rank you 
are given as a beginner. >
 A white belt is the belt you get when you buy a karate uniform. The first 
class I attended was when my parents were stationed in Japan in 1959 in the 
USAF. What is important in martial arts isn't the clothing you wear or your 
rank at a dojo - what is important is self control which begins in the mind. An 
effective self defense is greatly a function of our awareness of the 
surroundings in the outside world; our ability to control the content of our 
mind under stress; and our ability to remove ourselves as a "target" by our 
behavior and mindset. Most instructors only give lip service to mental 
preparation such as meditation and spend more time discussing physical tactics. 
Self defense is as much mental as physical.
 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Celibacy and kaivalya??

[emilymae...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

You can post the link, right?  I was just teasing...:)   

 This guy who "developed" Yin Yoga, Bernie Clark, is pretty funny.
 

 "The union of purusha and prakriti was a horrible mistake. This unfortunate 
marriage should never have happened. The only remedy: a fast and thorough 
divorce! Like Brer Rabbit, the only way to be freed from the Tar Baby is to be 
thrown into the briar patch where we can scrape off prakriti and finally free 
ourselves. The briar patch is the practice of yoga." 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Emily if you google on ShivaShakti, you'll get some images which I don't know 
how to post. Male on right...

 


 On Sunday, June 1, 2014 8:50 PM, "emilymaenot@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
 
 

   I don't know enough to disagree.  I didn't know what either were so looked 
them up out of curiosity.  Your belief is consistent with a "non-dual" 
paradigm.  On these sacred pictures, which half is male and which half is 
female? 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Beautiful photo, Emily and to Richard too, this dualism is certainly true of 
one level of reality. But I'll go with Maharishi on this and he has explained 
that even in every cell of our body, at the deepest level, Purusha IS Prakriti. 
This is sometimes depicted by those sacred pictures from India in which one 
half of the body is male and one half is female.

 


 On Sunday, June 1, 2014 8:28 PM, "emilymaenot@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
 
 

   This description considers them separate, reflective of a dualistic 
philosophy. 
 

 "In the Samkhya tradition there is purusha and there is prakriti, and these 
two are as separate as the clockmaker and the clock. Purusha is the soul, the 
Self, pure consciousness, and the only source of consciousness. The word 
literally means "man." Prakriti is that which is created. It is nature in all 
her aspects. Prakriti literally means "creatrix," the female creative energy."  
 

 Purusha & Prakriti http://www.yinyoga.com/ys1_4.1.1_purusha_prakriti.php 
 
 http://www.yinyoga.com/ys1_4.1.1_purusha_prakriti.php
 
 Purusha & Prakriti http://www.yinyoga.com/ys1_4.1.1_purusha_prakriti.php 
Purusha & Prakriti Samkhya and the Classical Yoga of the Yoga Sutras are 
dualistic philosophies. Very few yoga teachers today realize this.


 
 View on www.yinyoga.com http://www.yinyoga.com/ys1_4.1.1_purusha_prakriti.php
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  

 

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 Richard, I still disagree with you about this alleged separation of Purusha 
and Prakriti being the ultimate goal of yoga. Maybe it's a temporary goal but I 
think the ultimate goal is to realize that Purusha IS Prakriti. Even in this 
quote, the  word power I think, refers to Prakriti. So the quote is saying that 
Prakriti settles into Purusha.  

 


 On Sunday, June 1, 2014 8:12 PM, "'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... 
[FairfieldLife]"  wrote:
 
 

   
 The goal of Raja yoga is kaivalya (isolation) of the Purusha from the prakriti.
 
 "Or, to look from another angle, the power of pure consciousness settles in 
its own pure nature." — Kaivalya Pada: Sutra 35.
 >
 
 On 6/1/2014 4:27 PM, cardemaister@... mailto:cardemaister@... [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
 
   Wikipedia:
 
 The English word celibacy derives from the Latin caelibatus, "state of being 
unmarried", from Latin caelebs, meaning "unmarried". This word derives from two 
Proto-Indo-European http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-European_language 
stems, *kaiwelo- "alone" and *lib(h)s- "living".[7] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celibacy#cite_note-7

 
 
 

 
 kaivalya  n. (fr. %{ke4vala}) , isolation Va1m. ; absolute unity Veda7ntas. 
BhP. ; perfect isolation , abstraction , detachment from all other connections 
, detachment of the soul from matter or further transmigrations , beatitude 
MBh. KapS. Sa1m2khyak. &c. ; for %{vaikalya} Ra1jat. vii , 1149 ; (mf(%{A})n.) 
leading to eternal happiness or emancipation MBh. xiii , 1101. 
 
 
 kevala , f. {I} (later {A}) exclusive, belonging only to (gen. or dat.); 
alone, simple, pure, mere; whole, entire, each, all. --- & n. adv. only. {na 
kevalam} -- {api} not only--but also.
 

 But can celibacy make one feel sick, especially around the prostata?

 
 


 
 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Celibacy and kaivalya??

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 6/1/2014 8:18 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
Richard, I still disagree with you about this alleged separation of 
Purusha and Prakriti being the ultimate goal of yoga. Maybe it's a 
temporary goal but I think the ultimate goal is to realize that 
Purusha IS Prakriti. Even in this quote, the  word power I think, 
refers to Prakriti. So the quote is saying that Prakriti settles into 
Purusha.

>
"Kaivalya is the ultimate goal of Raja yoga and means "solitude", 
"detachment" or "isolation", a vrddhi-derivation from kevala "alone, 
isolated". It is the isolation of purusha from prakrti, and subsequent 
liberation from rebirth."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaivalya
>




On Sunday, June 1, 2014 8:12 PM, "'Richard J. Williams' 
pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]"  
wrote:



The goal of Raja yoga is kaivalya (isolation) of the Purusha from the 
prakriti.


/"Or, to look from another angle, the power of pure consciousness 
settles in its own pure nature."/ — Kaivalya Pada: Sutra 35.

>

On 6/1/2014 4:27 PM, cardemais...@yahoo.com 
 [FairfieldLife] wrote:

Wikipedia:

The English word /celibacy/ derives from the Latin /caelibatus/, 
"state of being unmarried", from Latin /caelebs/, meaning 
"unmarried". This word derives from two Proto-Indo-European 
 stems, 
*kaiwelo- "alone" and *lib(h)s- "living".^[7] 





	*kaivalya* 	 n. (fr. %{ke4vala}) , isolation Va1m. ; absolute unity 
Veda7ntas. BhP. ; perfect isolation , abstraction , detachment from 
all other connections , detachment of the soul from matter or further 
transmigrations , beatitude MBh. KapS. Sa1m2khyak. &c. ; for 
%{vaikalya} Ra1jat. vii , 1149 ; (mf(%{A})n.) leading to eternal 
happiness or emancipation MBh. xiii , 1101.




*kevala* , f. {I} (later {A}) exclusive, belonging only to (gen. or 
dat.); alone, simple, pure, mere; whole, entire, each, all. --- & n. 
adv. only. {na kevalam} -- {api} not only--but also.


But can celibacy make one feel sick, especially around the prostata?






   
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Why white belt should be the highest rank in martial arts

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I thought it might be cribbed too, but couldn't find it. "Richard!  Be 
honest! " 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Hate to say it, but a lot of what he wrote was cribbed from an Amazon reader 
review of a book on karate: 

 http://www.amazon.com/Zen-Karate-Randall-Bassett/dp/0446781649 
http://www.amazon.com/Zen-Karate-Randall-Bassett/dp/0446781649

 

 Check out the review by H. Asbury.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Succinctly and beautifully written, Richard, thank you.

 


 On Sunday, June 1, 2014 12:52 PM, "'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... 
[FairfieldLife]"  wrote:
 
 

   
 On 6/1/2014 9:49 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

 For those of you who never studied martial arts, a white belt is the rank you 
are given as a beginner. >
 A white belt is the belt you get when you buy a karate uniform. The first 
class I attended was when my parents were stationed in Japan in 1959 in the 
USAF. What is important in martial arts isn't the clothing you wear or your 
rank at a dojo - what is important is self control which begins in the mind. An 
effective self defense is greatly a function of our awareness of the 
surroundings in the outside world; our ability to control the content of our 
mind under stress; and our ability to remove ourselves as a "target" by our 
behavior and mindset. Most instructors only give lip service to mental 
preparation such as meditation and spend more time discussing physical tactics. 
Self defense is as much mental as physical.
 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Why white belt should be the highest rank in martial arts

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On 6/1/2014 8:09 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:

Succinctly and beautifully written, Richard, thank you.

>
If you are going to achieve consistent, meaningful results in your quest 
for defensive self-culture, you are going to have to cultivate a series 
of specialized habits, for habits are the only things you can count on 
retaining in the face of strong resistance. /Get the right mental 
habits, cultivate physical culture, practice meditation 2 x 20 and 
nothing can stop your progress toward your goal./


According to my martial arts teacher, Sensei Randall Bassett, /"We have 
a way of not realizing what is occurring within our own minds in moments 
of heavy stress; and this helps to explain why we so often tend to yield 
to irrational responses in the face of such threat - responses that a 
knowledgeable opponent will use against us."/


The historical Buddha, Gotama, in his youth was a master of the martial 
arts and he testified countless times to the difficulty involved in 
gaining habit-level skill, or mindfulness. In many respects there is no 
greater threat than stress and fatique and the resistance of your own 
mental inertia and lethargy.


Work cited:

'Zen Karate'
By Randall Bassett
Warner Books, 1975
Paper. 238 p. Illustrated with 161 line drawings.
p. 146
>



On Sunday, June 1, 2014 12:52 PM, "'Richard J. Williams' 
pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]"  
wrote:



On 6/1/2014 9:49 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com 
 [FairfieldLife] wrote:
For those of you who never studied martial arts, a white belt is the 
rank you are given as a beginner.

>
A white belt is the belt you get when you buy a karate uniform. The 
first class I attended was when my parents were stationed in Japan in 
1959 in the USAF. What is important in martial arts isn't the clothing 
you wear or your rank at a dojo - what is important is self control 
which /begins in the mind/. An effective self defense is greatly a 
function of our awareness of the surroundings in the outside world; 
our ability to control the content of our mind under stress; and our 
ability to remove ourselves as a "target" by our behavior and mindset. 
Most instructors only give lip service to mental preparation such as 
meditation and spend more time discussing physical tactics. Self 
defense is as much mental as physical.




   
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Celibacy and kaivalya??

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Emily if you google on ShivaShakti, you'll get some images which I don't know 
how to post. Male on right...



On Sunday, June 1, 2014 8:50 PM, "emilymae...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
 


  
I don't know enough to disagree.  I didn't know what either were so looked them 
up out of curiosity.  Your belief is consistent with a "non-dual" paradigm.  On 
these sacred pictures, which half is male and which half is female? 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Beautiful photo, Emily and to Richard too, this dualism is certainly true of 
one level of reality. But I'll go with Maharishi on this and he has explained 
that even in every cell of our body, at the deepest level, Purusha IS Prakriti. 
This is sometimes depicted by those sacred pictures from India in which one 
half of the body is male and one half is female.



On Sunday, June 1, 2014 8:28 PM, "emilymaenot@... [FairfieldLife]" 

wrote:



 
This description considers them separate, reflective of a dualistic philosophy. 

"In the Samkhya tradition there is purusha and there is prakriti, and these two 
are as separate as the clockmaker and the clock. Purusha is the soul, the Self, 
pure consciousness, and the only source of consciousness. The word literally 
means "man." Prakriti is that which is created. It is nature in all her 
aspects. Prakriti literally means "creatrix," the female creative energy."  

Purusha & Prakriti
 
  Purusha & Prakriti 
Purusha & Prakriti Samkhya and the Classical Yoga of the Yoga Sutras are 
dualistic
philosophies. Very few yoga teachers today
realize this.  
View on www.yinyoga.comPreview by Yahoo   
 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Richard, I still disagree with you about this alleged separation of Purusha and 
Prakriti being the ultimate goal of
yoga. Maybe it's a temporary goal but I think the ultimate goal is to realize 
that Purusha IS Prakriti. Even in this quote, the  word power I think, refers 
to Prakriti. So the quote is saying that Prakriti settles into Purusha.  



On Sunday, June 1, 2014 8:12 PM, "'Richard J. Williams'
punditster@... [FairfieldLife]"  wrote:



 
The goal of Raja yoga is kaivalya
(isolation) of the Purusha from the prakriti.

"Or, to look from another angle, the power of pure
consciousness settles in its own pure nature." — Kaivalya
Pada: Sutra 35.

>
>>
>
>On 6/1/2014 4:27 PM, cardemaister@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:
>>
 
>Wikipedia:
>
>The English word celibacy derives from the Latin caelibatus,
"state of being unmarried", from Latin caelebs,
meaning "unmarried". This word derives from two Proto-Indo-European stems, 
*kaiwelo- "alone" and *lib(h)s- "living".[7]
>
>
>
>
>
>
> kaivalya  n. (fr. %{ke4vala}) , isolation
Va1m. ; absolute unity Veda7ntas. BhP. ; perfect
isolation , abstraction , detachment from all other
connections , detachment of the soul from matter or
further transmigrations , beatitude MBh. KapS.
Sa1m2khyak. &c. ; for %{vaikalya} Ra1jat. vii ,
1149 ; (mf(%{A})n.) leading to eternal happiness or
emancipation MBh. xiii , 1101. 
>
>
>
>kevala , f. {I} (later {A}) exclusive, belonging only to (gen. or
dat.); alone, simple, pure, mere; whole, entire, each, all. --- & n.
adv. only. {na kevalam} -- {api} not only--but also.
>
>
>But can celibacy make one feel sick, especially around
the prostata?
>
>
>




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Celibacy and kaivalya??

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Richard, yoga comes from root meaning yoked or union. Are you saying that the 
goal of union is to separate?!



On Sunday, June 1, 2014 8:12 PM, "'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com 
[FairfieldLife]"  wrote:
 


  
The goal of Raja yoga is kaivalya (isolation) of the Purusha from the prakriti.

"Or, to look from another angle, the power of pure consciousness settles in its 
own pure nature." — Kaivalya Pada: Sutra 35.
>

On 6/1/2014 4:27 PM, cardemais...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:

  
>Wikipedia:
>
>The English word celibacy derives from the Latin caelibatus, "state of being 
>unmarried", from Latin caelebs, meaning "unmarried". This word derives from 
>two Proto-Indo-European stems, *kaiwelo- "alone" and *lib(h)s- "living".[7]
>
>
>
>
>
>
> kaivalya  n. (fr. %{ke4vala}) , isolation Va1m. ; absolute unity Veda7ntas. 
> BhP. ; perfect isolation , abstraction , detachment from all other 
> connections , detachment of the soul from matter or further transmigrations , 
> beatitude MBh. KapS. Sa1m2khyak. &c. ; for %{vaikalya} Ra1jat. vii , 1149 ; 
> (mf(%{A})n.) leading to eternal happiness or emancipation MBh. xiii , 1101. 
>
>
>
>kevala , f. {I} (later {A}) exclusive, belonging only to (gen. or dat.); 
>alone, simple, pure, mere; whole, entire, each, all. --- & n. adv. only. {na 
>kevalam} -- {api} not only--but also.
>
>
>But can celibacy make one feel sick, especially around the prostata?
>
>
>



 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Celibacy and kaivalya??

[emilymae...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I don't know enough to disagree.  I didn't know what either were so looked them 
up out of curiosity.  Your belief is consistent with a "non-dual" paradigm.  On 
these sacred pictures, which half is male and which half is female? 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Beautiful photo, Emily and to Richard too, this dualism is certainly true of 
one level of reality. But I'll go with Maharishi on this and he has explained 
that even in every cell of our body, at the deepest level, Purusha IS Prakriti. 
This is sometimes depicted by those sacred pictures from India in which one 
half of the body is male and one half is female.

 


 On Sunday, June 1, 2014 8:28 PM, "emilymaenot@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
 
 

   This description considers them separate, reflective of a dualistic 
philosophy. 
 

 "In the Samkhya tradition there is purusha and there is prakriti, and these 
two are as separate as the clockmaker and the clock. Purusha is the soul, the 
Self, pure consciousness, and the only source of consciousness. The word 
literally means "man." Prakriti is that which is created. It is nature in all 
her aspects. Prakriti literally means "creatrix," the female creative energy."  
 

 Purusha & Prakriti http://www.yinyoga.com/ys1_4.1.1_purusha_prakriti.php 
 
 http://www.yinyoga.com/ys1_4.1.1_purusha_prakriti.php
 
 Purusha & Prakriti http://www.yinyoga.com/ys1_4.1.1_purusha_prakriti.php 
Purusha & Prakriti Samkhya and the Classical Yoga of the Yoga Sutras are 
dualistic philosophies. Very few yoga teachers today realize this.


 
 View on www.yinyoga.com 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Richard, I still disagree with you about this alleged separation of Purusha 
and Prakriti being the ultimate goal of yoga. Maybe it's a temporary goal but I 
think the ultimate goal is to realize that Purusha IS Prakriti. Even in this 
quote, the  word power I think, refers to Prakriti. So the quote is saying that 
Prakriti settles into Purusha.  

 


 On Sunday, June 1, 2014 8:12 PM, "'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... 
[FairfieldLife]"  wrote:
 
 

   
 The goal of Raja yoga is kaivalya (isolation) of the Purusha from the prakriti.
 
 "Or, to look from another angle, the power of pure consciousness settles in 
its own pure nature." — Kaivalya Pada: Sutra 35.
 >
 
 On 6/1/2014 4:27 PM, cardemaister@... mailto:cardemaister@... [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
 
   Wikipedia:
 
 The English word celibacy derives from the Latin caelibatus, "state of being 
unmarried", from Latin caelebs, meaning "unmarried". This word derives from two 
Proto-Indo-European http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-European_language 
stems, *kaiwelo- "alone" and *lib(h)s- "living".[7] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celibacy#cite_note-7

 
 
 

 
 kaivalya  n. (fr. %{ke4vala}) , isolation Va1m. ; absolute unity Veda7ntas. 
BhP. ; perfect isolation , abstraction , detachment from all other connections 
, detachment of the soul from matter or further transmigrations , beatitude 
MBh. KapS. Sa1m2khyak. &c. ; for %{vaikalya} Ra1jat. vii , 1149 ; (mf(%{A})n.) 
leading to eternal happiness or emancipation MBh. xiii , 1101. 
 
 
 kevala , f. {I} (later {A}) exclusive, belonging only to (gen. or dat.); 
alone, simple, pure, mere; whole, entire, each, all. --- & n. adv. only. {na 
kevalam} -- {api} not only--but also.
 

 But can celibacy make one feel sick, especially around the prostata?

 
 


 
 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mindfulness; the Guru as mantra - Let 'er rip, or not?

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On 6/1/2014 1:46 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:

> So where did you learn practice Shikan taza for how long?
>
FYI: I sat with Suzuki Roshi at the SFZC for a year in 1968 and with
Jokusho Kwong-roshi since 1969 whenever I visit my daughter who lives in
Sonoma, so it's been 46 years now that I've been practicing in the Soto Zen
tradition. Up in northern California lots of people practice various types
of meditation. Sonoma Mountain Zen Center is situated on 80 acres of
rolling hills and mountainous land, located 11 miles from the town of Santa
Rosa. We are thinking about moving there next year so we can sit with roshi
full-time.

Inside the Sonoma Zen Center:



Jakusho Kwong-roshi was born in Santa Rosa in 1935 and began studying Zen
with Shunryu Suzuki-roshi in 1959. He received ordination at San Francisco
Zen Center in 1970 and began establishing Sonoma Mountain Zen Center in
1973 as his commemoration to his teacher. Kwong-roshi completed Dharma
transmission in 1978 through Hoitsu Suzuki-roshi at Rinsoin, Japan. This
authorized him as Dharma successor to Suzuki-roshi's lineage. Kwong-roshi
travels annually to the Southwest, Iceland and Poland to lead sesshins for
affiliate sitting groups.

Sonoma Mountain Zen Center:
http://www.smzc.net/


On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 1:46 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] <
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

>
>
> So where did you learn practice Shikan taza for how long?
>  
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Why white belt should be the highest rank in martial arts

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Hate to say it, but a lot of what he wrote was cribbed from an Amazon reader 
review of a book on karate: 

 http://www.amazon.com/Zen-Karate-Randall-Bassett/dp/0446781649 
http://www.amazon.com/Zen-Karate-Randall-Bassett/dp/0446781649

 

 Check out the review by H. Asbury.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Succinctly and beautifully written, Richard, thank you.

 


 On Sunday, June 1, 2014 12:52 PM, "'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... 
[FairfieldLife]"  wrote:
 
 

   
 On 6/1/2014 9:49 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

 For those of you who never studied martial arts, a white belt is the rank you 
are given as a beginner. >
 A white belt is the belt you get when you buy a karate uniform. The first 
class I attended was when my parents were stationed in Japan in 1959 in the 
USAF. What is important in martial arts isn't the clothing you wear or your 
rank at a dojo - what is important is self control which begins in the mind. An 
effective self defense is greatly a function of our awareness of the 
surroundings in the outside world; our ability to control the content of our 
mind under stress; and our ability to remove ourselves as a "target" by our 
behavior and mindset. Most instructors only give lip service to mental 
preparation such as meditation and spend more time discussing physical tactics. 
Self defense is as much mental as physical.
 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Celibacy and kaivalya??

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Beautiful photo, Emily and to Richard too, this dualism is certainly true of 
one level of reality. But I'll go with Maharishi on this and he has explained 
that even in every cell of our body, at the deepest level, Purusha IS Prakriti. 
This is sometimes depicted by those sacred pictures from India in which one 
half of the body is male and one half is female.



On Sunday, June 1, 2014 8:28 PM, "emilymae...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
 


  
This description considers them separate, reflective of a dualistic philosophy. 

"In the Samkhya tradition there is purusha and there is prakriti, and these two 
are as separate as the clockmaker and the clock. Purusha is the soul, the Self, 
pure consciousness, and the only source of consciousness. The word literally 
means "man." Prakriti is that which is created. It is nature in all her 
aspects. Prakriti literally means "creatrix," the female creative energy."  

Purusha & Prakriti
 
   Purusha & Prakriti  
Purusha & Prakriti Samkhya and the Classical Yoga of the Yoga Sutras are 
dualistic philosophies. Very few yoga teachers today  realize this.   
View on www.yinyoga.com Preview by Yahoo
 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Richard, I still disagree with you about this alleged separation of Purusha and 
Prakriti being the ultimate goal of yoga. Maybe it's a temporary goal but I 
think the ultimate goal is to realize that Purusha IS Prakriti. Even in this 
quote, the  word power I think, refers to Prakriti. So the quote is saying that 
Prakriti settles into Purusha.  



On Sunday, June 1, 2014 8:12 PM, "'Richard J. Williams'
punditster@... [FairfieldLife]"  wrote:



 
The goal of Raja yoga is kaivalya
(isolation) of the Purusha from the prakriti.

"Or, to look from another angle, the power of pure
consciousness settles in its own pure nature." — Kaivalya
Pada: Sutra 35.

>
>

On 6/1/2014 4:27 PM, cardemaister@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:
>
 
>Wikipedia:
>
>The English word celibacy derives from the Latin caelibatus,
"state of being unmarried", from Latin caelebs,
meaning "unmarried". This word derives from two Proto-Indo-European stems, 
*kaiwelo- "alone" and *lib(h)s- "living".[7]
>
>
>
>
>
>
> kaivalya  n. (fr. %{ke4vala}) , isolation
Va1m. ; absolute unity Veda7ntas. BhP. ; perfect
isolation , abstraction , detachment from all other
connections , detachment of the soul from matter or
further transmigrations , beatitude MBh. KapS.
Sa1m2khyak. &c. ; for %{vaikalya} Ra1jat. vii ,
1149 ; (mf(%{A})n.) leading to eternal happiness or
emancipation MBh. xiii , 1101. 
>
>
>
>kevala , f. {I} (later {A}) exclusive, belonging only to (gen. or
dat.); alone, simple, pure, mere; whole, entire, each, all. --- & n.
adv. only. {na kevalam} -- {api} not only--but also.
>
>
>But can celibacy make one feel sick, especially around
the prostata?
>
>
>




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Celibacy and kaivalya??

[emilymae...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

This description considers them separate, reflective of a dualistic philosophy. 
 

 "In the Samkhya tradition there is purusha and there is prakriti, and these 
two are as separate as the clockmaker and the clock. Purusha is the soul, the 
Self, pure consciousness, and the only source of consciousness. The word 
literally means "man." Prakriti is that which is created. It is nature in all 
her aspects. Prakriti literally means "creatrix," the female creative energy."  
 

 Purusha & Prakriti http://www.yinyoga.com/ys1_4.1.1_purusha_prakriti.php 
 
 http://www.yinyoga.com/ys1_4.1.1_purusha_prakriti.php 
 
 Purusha & Prakriti http://www.yinyoga.com/ys1_4.1.1_purusha_prakriti.php 
Purusha & Prakriti Samkhya and the Classical Yoga of the Yoga Sutras are 
dualistic philosophies. Very few yoga teachers today realize this. 
 
 
 
 View on www.yinyoga.com http://www.yinyoga.com/ys1_4.1.1_purusha_prakriti.php 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Richard, I still disagree with you about this alleged separation of Purusha 
and Prakriti being the ultimate goal of yoga. Maybe it's a temporary goal but I 
think the ultimate goal is to realize that Purusha IS Prakriti. Even in this 
quote, the  word power I think, refers to Prakriti. So the quote is saying that 
Prakriti settles into Purusha.  

 


 On Sunday, June 1, 2014 8:12 PM, "'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... 
[FairfieldLife]"  wrote:
 
 

   
 The goal of Raja yoga is kaivalya (isolation) of the Purusha from the prakriti.
 
 "Or, to look from another angle, the power of pure consciousness settles in 
its own pure nature." — Kaivalya Pada: Sutra 35.
 >
 
 On 6/1/2014 4:27 PM, cardemaister@... mailto:cardemaister@... [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
 
   Wikipedia:
 
 The English word celibacy derives from the Latin caelibatus, "state of being 
unmarried", from Latin caelebs, meaning "unmarried". This word derives from two 
Proto-Indo-European http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-European_language 
stems, *kaiwelo- "alone" and *lib(h)s- "living".[7] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celibacy#cite_note-7

 
 
 

 
 kaivalya  n. (fr. %{ke4vala}) , isolation Va1m. ; absolute unity Veda7ntas. 
BhP. ; perfect isolation , abstraction , detachment from all other connections 
, detachment of the soul from matter or further transmigrations , beatitude 
MBh. KapS. Sa1m2khyak. &c. ; for %{vaikalya} Ra1jat. vii , 1149 ; (mf(%{A})n.) 
leading to eternal happiness or emancipation MBh. xiii , 1101. 
 
 
 kevala , f. {I} (later {A}) exclusive, belonging only to (gen. or dat.); 
alone, simple, pure, mere; whole, entire, each, all. --- & n. adv. only. {na 
kevalam} -- {api} not only--but also.
 

 But can celibacy make one feel sick, especially around the prostata?

 
 


 
 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Celibacy and kaivalya??

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Richard, I still disagree with you about this alleged separation of Purusha and 
Prakriti being the ultimate goal of yoga. Maybe it's a temporary goal but I 
think the ultimate goal is to realize that Purusha IS Prakriti. Even in this 
quote, the  word power I think, refers to Prakriti. So the quote is saying that 
Prakriti settles into Purusha.  



On Sunday, June 1, 2014 8:12 PM, "'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com 
[FairfieldLife]"  wrote:
 


  
The goal of Raja yoga is kaivalya (isolation) of the Purusha from the prakriti.

"Or, to look from another angle, the power of pure consciousness settles in its 
own pure nature." — Kaivalya Pada: Sutra 35.
>

On 6/1/2014 4:27 PM, cardemais...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:

  
>Wikipedia:
>
>The English word celibacy derives from the Latin caelibatus, "state of being 
>unmarried", from Latin caelebs, meaning "unmarried". This word derives from 
>two Proto-Indo-European stems, *kaiwelo- "alone" and *lib(h)s- "living".[7]
>
>
>
>
>
>
> kaivalya  n. (fr. %{ke4vala}) , isolation Va1m. ; absolute unity Veda7ntas. 
> BhP. ; perfect isolation , abstraction , detachment from all other 
> connections , detachment of the soul from matter or further transmigrations , 
> beatitude MBh. KapS. Sa1m2khyak. &c. ; for %{vaikalya} Ra1jat. vii , 1149 ; 
> (mf(%{A})n.) leading to eternal happiness or emancipation MBh. xiii , 1101. 
>
>
>
>kevala , f. {I} (later {A}) exclusive, belonging only to (gen. or dat.); 
>alone, simple, pure, mere; whole, entire, each, all. --- & n. adv. only. {na 
>kevalam} -- {api} not only--but also.
>
>
>But can celibacy make one feel sick, especially around the prostata?
>
>
>



 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Celibacy and kaivalya??

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

The goal of Raja yoga is kaivalya (isolation) of the Purusha from the 
prakriti.


/"Or, to look from another angle, the power of pure consciousness 
settles in its own pure nature."/ — Kaivalya Pada: Sutra 35.

>

On 6/1/2014 4:27 PM, cardemais...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Wikipedia:

The English word /celibacy/ derives from the Latin /caelibatus/, 
"state of being unmarried", from Latin /caelebs/, meaning "unmarried". 
This word derives from two Proto-Indo-European 
 stems, 
*kaiwelo- "alone" and *lib(h)s- "living".^[7] 






	*kaivalya* 	 n. (fr. %{ke4vala}) , isolation Va1m. ; absolute unity 
Veda7ntas. BhP. ; perfect isolation , abstraction , detachment from 
all other connections , detachment of the soul from matter or further 
transmigrations , beatitude MBh. KapS. Sa1m2khyak. &c. ; for 
%{vaikalya} Ra1jat. vii , 1149 ; (mf(%{A})n.) leading to eternal 
happiness or emancipation MBh. xiii , 1101.




*kevala* , f. {I} (later {A}) exclusive, belonging only to (gen. or 
dat.); alone, simple, pure, mere; whole, entire, each, all. --- & n. 
adv. only. {na kevalam} -- {api} not only--but also.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Why white belt should be the highest rank in martial arts

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Succinctly and beautifully written, Richard, thank you.



On Sunday, June 1, 2014 12:52 PM, "'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com 
[FairfieldLife]"  wrote:
 


  
On 6/1/2014 9:49 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:

For those of you who never studied martial arts, a white belt is the rank you 
are given as a beginner.
>
A white belt is the belt you get when you buy a karate uniform. The
first class I attended was when my parents were stationed in Japan
in 1959 in the USAF. What is important in martial arts isn't the
clothing you wear or your rank at a dojo - what is important is self
control which begins in the mind. An effective self defense is greatly a 
function of our awareness of the surroundings in the outside world; our ability 
to control the content of our mind under stress; and our ability to remove 
ourselves as a "target" by our behavior and mindset. Most instructors only give 
lip service to mental preparation such as meditation and spend more time 
discussing physical tactics. Self defense is as much mental as physical.



 
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Grab your boards and ropes and finish-up those beers! We only have a few
short hours of darkness left to get this thing done before it gets light
out, so turn off all your headlamps and don't break a single stalk of the
crop as we walk in and out and while we are working all night long in the
darkness... and most certainly don't leave any footprints,

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Lightmint vs EEG claptrap

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

EEG doesn't tell us anything about dreaming either, except that it's occurring, 
based on subjective reports when sleeping subjects are awakened. IOW, the EEG 
signatures of people who are dreaming are identifiable as such. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Apparently none of the posters on this thread read the short article by Swartz 
about the difference between mindfulness and awakening to the innate awareness 
that makes us what we are.
 

  The actual discussion by James Swartz was about the difference between the 
practice of Buddhist Vipassana and its relationship to the Vedanta teachings 
about awakening to one’s invariant witness-awareness.
 

 EEG's indicate nothing about Lightmint and have never demonstrated anything 
about consciousness "as such". The assumption is that EEG brain activity 
enumerates variant forms of subjectivity, all the while never investigating 
this unsupported claim itself. That assumption is not challenged because it 
attacks the very funding-base (University and Institutional) that supports most 
of these studies. Read it and Weep, Weep, Weep. 

 

 “The reflected awareness that bounces off the tiny mirror of an individual 
intellect and makes perception and inference possible casts such a small 
penumbra of light that it is impossible for it to reveal the complete cognitive 
process. It may reveal those parts of the chain of experience that are less 
subtle than it but it cannot illumine the causal factors of which it is an 
effect. Modern psychology has developed an understanding this process, which 
Vedanta does not contradict. But, because it assumes that consciousness is an 
effect of matter, it does not understand the actual relationship between 
awareness/consciousness and matter and therefore is of no help in our inquiry 
into the self.”
 

 James Swartz, Discrimination between the Self and the Not-Self

[FairfieldLife] Lightmint vs EEG claptrap

[emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Apparently none of the posters on this thread read the short article by Swartz 
about the difference between mindfulness and awakening to the innate awareness 
that makes us what we are.
 

  The actual discussion by James Swartz was about the difference between the 
practice of Buddhist Vipassana and its relationship to the Vedanta teachings 
about awakening to one’s invariant witness-awareness.
 

 EEG's indicate nothing about Lightmint and have never demonstrated anything 
about consciousness "as such". The assumption is that EEG brain activity 
enumerates variant forms of subjectivity, all the while never investigating 
this unsupported claim itself. That assumption is not challenged because it 
attacks the very funding-base (University and Institutional) that supports most 
of these studies. Read it and Weep, Weep, Weep. 

 

 “The reflected awareness that bounces off the tiny mirror of an individual 
intellect and makes perception and inference possible casts such a small 
penumbra of light that it is impossible for it to reveal the complete cognitive 
process. It may reveal those parts of the chain of experience that are less 
subtle than it but it cannot illumine the causal factors of which it is an 
effect. Modern psychology has developed an understanding this process, which 
Vedanta does not contradict. But, because it assumes that consciousness is an 
effect of matter, it does not understand the actual relationship between 
awareness/consciousness and matter and therefore is of no help in our inquiry 
into the self.”
 

 James Swartz, Discrimination between the Self and the Not-Self

[FairfieldLife] Sri M Interview

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

This is a fascinating interview.  Has anyone heard of this yogi before?
 

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOxHkyx40v8 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOxHkyx40v8

[FairfieldLife] Re: An Old Index to FFL

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Yahoo Groups Neo it seems truncates posts at 64KB. 

 Older versions of the Index are not truncated.
 

 This one seems to be 'unabridged' by neo-truncation..
 

 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/352508 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/352508
 

 One can also do a subject search for  'Index' to turn up the earlier index as 
they developed.  Use the advanced search feature that comes up as a button once 
you do an initial search from the messages search box.
 -Buck

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Your own personal EEG device

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

There's an OpenEEG project that you might want to look into.
http://openeeg.sourceforge.net/

On 06/01/2014 02:30 PM, lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] wrote:


That's an odd chart. What does measuring "8 mental states" mean?


That there are 8 electrodes over parts of the brain associated with 
mental processes?


Odd way of putting it.


L


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

And a comparison chart on the numerous person EEG devices:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_consumer_brain%E2%80%93computer_interfaces

On 06/01/2014 10:27 AM, LEnglish5@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:


F3, F4, P3, P4... for Alaric's demo.



L


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
,  
 wrote :


They're a useless toy.

The ultra-low-end professional-level EEG setup that Fred Travis uses 
for his demos have 19 EEG electrodes + reference electrodes.


This thing has ONE ELECTRODE. You can't even test a single EEG 
coherence pair (for that you need 2 EEG electrodes).


From the product description:

  The headset’s reference and ground electrodes are on the ear clip 
and the EEG electrode is on the sensor arm, resting on the forehead 
above the eye (FP1 position). It uses a single AAA battery with 8 
hours of battery life.


FP1 refers to the 10-20 EEG electrode placement scheme:

http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif



image 


http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.g... 



View on www.immram... 



Preview by Yahoo




In order to establish the EEG coherence you must compare teh output 
from two different electrodes simultaneously.




Alaric's EEG video I linked to uses 4 separate electrodes, F2, F3, 
P2, P3 and provides readings for 4 of the 8 possible coherence 
measures, and that is essentially a promotional demo for his class, 
not a demo of the actual science involved.



A real, low-end system uses all 19 electrodes, and for TM research, 
compares the 19 x 18  = 342 possible pairs of electrode. Researchers 
than report the interesting ones where the coherence goes above the 
average.


The system you linked to can't even be used to measure a single 
coherent pair as there ain't a pair to compare.




L

[FairfieldLife] Re: Science and Spirituality and Maharishi:

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

. .
 

 Observation, Hypothesis, Test;
 Scientific Process.. .
 

 When you get things laid out in time series of publication to look at it 
becomes remarkable what Maharishi was doing all along going way back. 
 

 There was quite a lot of scientific process (advancement too) which got 
specifically propelled by Maharishi all through the years and decades. 
Constantly. Quite fairly this is something that distinguishes Maharishi's 
spiritual teaching.
 

 Observe, hypothesize, test. The science was actually driving larger policy 
that was initiated by Maharishi himself to be able to set up tests and explore 
data all along from early on. He was really quite a modern man fusing the 
ancient and modern in the science of collecting data, making hypothesis and 
testing as process of science on the spiritual; in making hypothesis based on 
observation in research that then drives tests and the history of the movement 
as science test is also a history of Transcendental Meditation [TM] dating from 
early in Maharishi's arrival in the West in the 1950's through the 60's, 70's, 
1980's, 90's, 00's to present. “Observe, hypothesis, test”. He really persisted 
and in culture pulled quite a coup on religion-ists and atheists alike in a 
teaching of science and spirituality.
 -Buck
 

 

 Thanks this science is an extremely important addition to the data around 
spirituality.

 -Buck in the Dome
 

 

 LEnglish5 offers:
 

  Fred Travis' article published in the New York Academy of Sciences that 
discusses the preliminary research on Cosmic Consciousness:
 
 

 http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./nyas.12316/full 
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./nyas.12316/full

 

 

 Specific research on pure consciousness discussed in that paper:
 

 Breath Suspension During the Transcendental Meditation Technique 
http://www.psychosomaticmedicine.org/content/44/2/133.full.pdf
 

 Electrophysiologic Characteristics of Respiratory Suspension Periods Occurring 
During the Practice of the Transcendental Meditation Program 
 http://www.psychosomaticmedicine.org/content/46/3/267.full.pdf
 

 Autonomic patterns during respiratory suspensions: Possible markers of 
Transcendental Consciousness 
http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/transcendental-consciousness.pdf
 

 

 

 Correlates of stabilization of pure consciousness, aka "Cosmic Consciousenss" 
-the preliminary stage of enlightenment in TM-theory:

 

  Psychological 
 
http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/eeg-of-enlightenment.pdf
 
http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/eeg-of-enlightenment.pdf
 physiological 

 
http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/brain-integration-progress-report.pdf
 
http://www.totalbrain.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/brain-integration-progress-report.pdf

 

 

 

 L




 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I have this idea kicking around in my head to try to interview Sam Harris, or 
someone like him. An intelligent atheist, as I understand him. I’d want to read 
all his books first, and then hash out the likely points of discussion with you 
beforehand. We could do it on FFL. My perspective is very SCI-like – that 
intelligence is omnipresent, all-pervading, and obvious if one looks closely 
enough. I’m interviewing a guy named Bernardo Kastrup in a couple of months who 
has written a book called “Why Materialism is Baloney”, but it would be fun to 
interview an intelligent materialist, if that’s what Harris is, and see if we 
could find any common ground. What do you think?

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Historic Meissner-like Effect [ME] of Peace:

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

. .
 

 Maharishi: “All don't have to meditate. Just some small percentage in society 
will be enough.”[281] -1968-9 “This was borne out at the end of 1974 when it 
was found that in cities where the number of meditators had reached one percent 
the crime rate decreased significantly.”
 Conversations with Maharishi, Vol I. Vernon Katz, MUM Press 2001

 

 

 
 “Expansion of happiness is the purpose of life, and evolution is the process 
by which it is fulfilled. Life begins in a natural way, it evolves, and 
happiness expands. The expansion of happiness carries with it the growth of 
intelligence, power, creativity and everything that may be said to be of 
significance in life.” -The Science of Being and Art of Living -Maharishi 
Mahesh Yogi [1963]
 

 = = =
 

 12 January 1972 Maharishi inaugurated the World Plan to “eliminate the age-old 
problems of mankind in this generation.”  

 

 

 

 

 Creating an Ideal Society:

 
 . .people currently practicing the Transcendental Meditation technique are 
constantly intensifying the Maharishi Effect and contributing to the Age of 
Enlightenment. The dawn is rising to the day. 12 January 1977

 The influence of orderliness generated from the state of infinite correlation 
experienced during the Transcendental Meditation technique is so powerful that 
even one per cent of the people in society practicing the Transcendental 
Meditation technique is sufficient to neutralize negative tendencies and give 
an evolutionary direction to community life as a whole.
 

 

 
 The phenomenon of a powerful influence of harmony spreading through a whole 
community or nation when a small fraction of the population practices the 
Transcendental Meditation technique is known as the Maharishi Effect [ME].
 

 
 Considering the [Maharishi] Meissner-like Effect of Increasing Coherence in 
systems.
 

 “Sudden sharp changes from relatively disordered to much more ordered states 
may be considered 'phase transitions' as described in the physical sciences. 
For instance, water changes from a less orderly arrangement of molecules in the 
liquid state to a highly ordered crystalline structure when the temperature is 
lowered to 0 degree C. Physicists are now beginning to explore the possible 
applications of phase transition models to sudden sweeping changes in 
individual and social systems . . Transitions to more orderly configurations 
are frequently mediated by the influence of a few individuals from within a 
population. Such effects are observed in developing systems of many sorts. For 
instance, in the embryo prior to the formation of any organs, a small cluster 
of cells is known as 'The Primary Organizer'. These few cells determine the 
developmental fates of the multitude of undifferentiated and unordered cells 
comprising the rest of the embryo.”
 

 Candace Borland, Ph.D., and Garland Landrith III, M.A., 'Improved Quality of 
City Life Through the Trancendental Meditation Program: Decreased Crime Rate' 
in Scientific Research on the Transcendental Meditation Program: Collected 
Papers, Vol. I, eds. David W. Orme-Johnson, Ph.D., and John T. Farrow, Ph.D., 
West Germany, MERU Press, 1976
 
 

 

 
 As more and more cities rose to one percent of the population practicing 
Transcendental Meditation, scientific research found that not only did crime 
decrease, but accidents, sickness, and other negative trends also decreased, 
and positivity increased. Research scientists named this phenomenon the 
'Maharishi Effect' in honor of Maharishi.
 

 
 As early as,
 

 “In 1960 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, founder of the Transcendental Meditation 
program, predicted that a transition in society toward a more orderly and 
harmonious functioning would occur when a small fraction -on the order of one 
percent- of a population practiced the Transcendental Meditation technique (6), 
and in December 1974 we found that crime rate did decrease in four midwestern 
U.S. Cities in which one percent of the population was practicing the TM 
technique.”
 

 Candace Borland, Ph.D., and Garland Landrith III, M.A., 'Improved Quality of 
City Life Through the Trancendental Meditation Program: Decreased Crime Rate' 
in Scientific Research on the Transcendental Meditation Program: Collected 
Papers, Vol. I, eds. David W. Orme-Johnson, Ph.D., and John T. Farrow, Ph.D., 
West Germany, MERU Press, 1976
 

 
 

 

 Right from the beginning of his movement, Maharishi predicted that even a 
small number of the world's population practicing his Transcendental Meditation 
technique could neutralize the stress being built up in the world 
consciousness, thus averting conflicts and wars. 
 

 In 1974 these predictions were validated by scientific studies showing that in 
cities where one percent of the population learned the transcendental 
Meditation technique there was a sudden decrease in crime rates.
 

 By 1974 more than one million people throughout the world had learned the 
practice of Transcendental Meditation an

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult?

[s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Right, thanks! Clearly I was never enlightened in any of my past lives - or in 
this one either. But then, this could be my first ever life! If someone learns 
meditation in their first incarnation maybe they are a shoo-in to make 
Bodhisattva grade in double quick time . . . 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 5/30/2014 11:51 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

 From: "s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife]" mailto:s3raphita@...[FairfieldLife] 
 mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 
 
   Re "I've seen someone levitate. Many times. In many settings . . .":

 
 
 This is Rama we're talking about, no? 
 
 Yes.
 
 What I was meaning to ask you before was: did Rama ever give his followers (or 
just you perhaps) instructions on how they also could levitate? 
 
 No.
 
 Did Rama claim to be utilising Patanjali's Samyama hints (as re-packaged by 
MMY)...
 
 No.
 
 ...or had he discovered a new occult secret?
 
 No idea. The most he ever said about it was that he remembered how to do it 
from a previous life.








 >
 Fred Lenz, aka, Rama,  learned how to levitate from Master Fwap. The whole 
story is related by Lenz in his book Surfing the Himalayas, which apparently 
Barry never read. I'm sure this information won't be lost on Judy. LoL!
 
 "...Master Fwap told me that most people who have been enlightened in their 
previous incarnations would normally begin to regain their past-life 
enlightenment-if they lived at sea level-at around the age of twenty-nine, when 
their astrological Saturn return took place. He said that living in or near 
sacred mountains, because of their beneficial auric influences, often made 
past-life returns happen even faster."
 
 'Surfing the Himalayas: A Spiritual Adventure'
 by Frederick Lenz
 St. Martin's Press, 1997 
 p. 119
 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Your own personal EEG device

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Even the low-end ones are pretty damned expensive, though. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Well, it's not the higehst-quality either. Up until the partnership with the 
folk at the Key-Institute, MUM didn't have real access to the best possible 
analysis of EEG, so it didn't really matter. 

 Now that they are partnering on a regular basis (or so I hear) perhaps a 
high-def EEG machine will be in the works. Those are really kool.
 

 

 Tononi uses the output of one in his discussion of his work on magnetic 
induction during sleep about 2 minutes in:
 

 Giulio Tononi Deep Sleep https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RptzQ_o2deA 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RptzQ_o2deA
 
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feature is not available right now. Please try again later.


 
 View on www.youtube... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RptzQ_o2deA 
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L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I doubt that's the case, but at any rate, MUM's EEG equipment is hardly 
"low-rent." And your comment here is a non sequitur to the one I was responding 
to. 

 Sounds to me as if you're being elitist...
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
No serious researcher uses EEG to measure the effects of things on the brain 
any more. They use fMRI. Only low-rent researchers who can't get grants or 
afford more up-to-date equipment rely on EEGs, or cite them. 

 

 
   If you actually read the thread, you'll see that at this point it's talking 
about the effects of different kinds of meditation on the practitioners' EEGs. 
Bhairitu suggested getting a "personal EEG device" to check what happens with 
your EEG when you meditate. Lawson is pointing out that such devices are 
"useless toys" and won't tell you anything at all significant about your 
meditating EEG. That's a perfectly reasonable comment that isn't even remotely 
"elitist."
 

 If you're not interested in meditating EEGs, fine. But both Lawson and 
Bhairitu are, as are many researchers, both TM and non-TM.
 

 Don't you have anything more sensible to carp about?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
Gawd, you're even elitist about *EEG machines*, which have nothing whatsoever 
to do with meditation. :-)

 

 From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, June 1, 2014 7:21 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Your own personal EEG device
 
 
   They're a useless toy.
 The ultra-low-end professional-level EEG setup that Fred Travis uses for his 
demos have 19 EEG electrodes + reference electrodes.
 

 This thing has ONE ELECTRODE. You can't even test a single EEG coherence pair 
(for that you need 2 EEG electrodes).
 

 From the product description:
 

   The headset’s reference and ground electrodes are on the ear clip and the 
EEG electrode is on the sensor arm, resting on the forehead above the eye (FP1 
position). It uses a single AAA battery with 8 hours of battery life.

 

 FP1 refers to the 10-20 EEG electrode placement scheme:
 

 http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif 
http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif 
 
 http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif
 
 http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.g... 

 
 View on www.immram... 
http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  


 

 

 In order to establish the EEG coherence you must compare teh output from two 
different electrodes simultaneously.
 

 

 

 Alaric's EEG video I linked to uses 4 separate electrodes, F2, F3, P2, P3 and 
provides readings for 4 of the 8 possible coherence measures, and that is 
essentially a promotional demo for his class, not a demo of the actual science 
involved.
 

 

 A real, low-end system uses all 19 electrodes, and for TM research, compares 
the 19 x 18  = 342 possible pairs of electrode. Researchers than report the 
interesting ones where the coherence goes above the average.
 

 The system you linked to can't even be used to measure a single coherent pair 
as there ain't a pair to compare.
 

 

 

 L
 

 

 


 














 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Your own personal EEG device

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

That's an odd chart. What does measuring "8 mental states" mean? 

 That there are 8 electrodes over parts of the brain associated with mental 
processes?
 

 Odd way of putting it.
 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 And a comparison chart on the numerous person EEG devices:
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_consumer_brain%E2%80%93computer_interfaces
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_consumer_brain%E2%80%93computer_interfaces
 
 On 06/01/2014 10:27 AM, LEnglish5@... mailto:LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
 
   F3, F4, P3, P4... for Alaric's demo.
 

 

 L
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:LEnglish5@... wrote :
 
 They're a useless toy. 

 The ultra-low-end professional-level EEG setup that Fred Travis uses for his 
demos have 19 EEG electrodes + reference electrodes.
 

 This thing has ONE ELECTRODE. You can't even test a single EEG coherence pair 
(for that you need 2 EEG electrodes).
 
 
 From the product description:
 

   The headset’s reference and ground electrodes are on the ear clip and the 
EEG electrode is on the sensor arm, resting on the forehead above the eye (FP1 
position). It uses a single AAA battery with 8 hours of battery life.

 
 
 FP1 refers to the 10-20 EEG electrode placement scheme:
 
 
 http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif 
http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif 
 
 
 
 http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.g... 

 
 View on www.immram... 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  
 
 
 

 
 
 In order to establish the EEG coherence you must compare teh output from two 
different electrodes simultaneously.
 
 
 

 
 
 Alaric's EEG video I linked to uses 4 separate electrodes, F2, F3, P2, P3 and 
provides readings for 4 of the 8 possible coherence measures, and that is 
essentially a promotional demo for his class, not a demo of the actual science 
involved.
 
 
 
 
 A real, low-end system uses all 19 electrodes, and for TM research, compares 
the 19 x 18  = 342 possible pairs of electrode. Researchers than report the 
interesting ones where the coherence goes above the average.
 
 
 The system you linked to can't even be used to measure a single coherent pair 
as there ain't a pair to compare.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 L
 
 
 
 
 




 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Your own personal EEG device

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

Yeah, that's a lot better. I don't know what the significance is of 14 vs 19 
leads... 

 It looks like they're ignoring most of teh central (Cx) and parietal (Px) 
input positions, but not sure what that would do for measuring TM or other 
meditation practices.
 

 

 L

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Here's a 14 channel personal EEG.  Two models, one for $299 and one for $750 
(haven't had time to see if they both have 14 channels).
 http://emotiv.com/eeg/features.php http://emotiv.com/eeg/features.php
 
 On 06/01/2014 10:27 AM, LEnglish5@... mailto:LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
 
   F3, F4, P3, P4... for Alaric's demo.
 

 

 L
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:LEnglish5@... wrote :
 
 They're a useless toy. 

 The ultra-low-end professional-level EEG setup that Fred Travis uses for his 
demos have 19 EEG electrodes + reference electrodes.
 

 This thing has ONE ELECTRODE. You can't even test a single EEG coherence pair 
(for that you need 2 EEG electrodes).
 
 
 From the product description:
 

   The headset’s reference and ground electrodes are on the ear clip and the 
EEG electrode is on the sensor arm, resting on the forehead above the eye (FP1 
position). It uses a single AAA battery with 8 hours of battery life.

 
 
 FP1 refers to the 10-20 EEG electrode placement scheme:
 
 
 http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif 
http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif 
 
 
 
 http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.g... 

 
 View on www.immram... 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  
 
 
 

 
 
 In order to establish the EEG coherence you must compare teh output from two 
different electrodes simultaneously.
 
 
 

 
 
 Alaric's EEG video I linked to uses 4 separate electrodes, F2, F3, P2, P3 and 
provides readings for 4 of the 8 possible coherence measures, and that is 
essentially a promotional demo for his class, not a demo of the actual science 
involved.
 
 
 
 
 A real, low-end system uses all 19 electrodes, and for TM research, compares 
the 19 x 18  = 342 possible pairs of electrode. Researchers than report the 
interesting ones where the coherence goes above the average.
 
 
 The system you linked to can't even be used to measure a single coherent pair 
as there ain't a pair to compare.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 L
 
 
 
 
 




 

[FairfieldLife] Celibacy and kaivalya??

[cardemais...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Wikipedia:

The English word celibacy derives from the Latin caelibatus, "state of being 
unmarried", from Latin caelebs, meaning "unmarried". This word derives from two 
Proto-Indo-European http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-European_language 
stems, *kaiwelo- "alone" and *lib(h)s- "living".[7] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celibacy#cite_note-7
 

 

 
 kaivalya  n. (fr. %{ke4vala}) , isolation Va1m. ; absolute unity Veda7ntas. 
BhP. ; perfect isolation , abstraction , detachment from all other connections 
, detachment of the soul from matter or further transmigrations , beatitude 
MBh. KapS. Sa1m2khyak. &c. ; for %{vaikalya} Ra1jat. vii , 1149 ; (mf(%{A})n.) 
leading to eternal happiness or emancipation MBh. xiii , 1101. 

 
kevala , f. {I} (later {A}) exclusive, belonging only to (gen. or dat.); alone, 
simple, pure, mere; whole, entire, each, all. --- & n. adv. only. {na kevalam} 
-- {api} not only--but also.
 

 But can celibacy make one feel sick, especially around the prostata?

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Your own personal EEG device

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

And a comparison chart on the numerous person EEG devices:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_consumer_brain%E2%80%93computer_interfaces

On 06/01/2014 10:27 AM, lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] wrote:


F3, F4, P3, P4... for Alaric's demo.



L


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

They're a useless toy.

The ultra-low-end professional-level EEG setup that Fred Travis uses 
for his demos have 19 EEG electrodes + reference electrodes.


This thing has ONE ELECTRODE. You can't even test a single EEG 
coherence pair (for that you need 2 EEG electrodes).


From the product description:

  The headset’s reference and ground electrodes are on the ear clip 
and the EEG electrode is on the sensor arm, resting on the forehead 
above the eye (FP1 position). It uses a single AAA battery with 8 
hours of battery life.


FP1 refers to the 10-20 EEG electrode placement scheme:

http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif



image 


http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.g... 



View on www.immram... 



Preview by Yahoo




In order to establish the EEG coherence you must compare teh output 
from two different electrodes simultaneously.




Alaric's EEG video I linked to uses 4 separate electrodes, F2, F3, P2, 
P3 and provides readings for 4 of the 8 possible coherence measures, 
and that is essentially a promotional demo for his class, not a demo 
of the actual science involved.



A real, low-end system uses all 19 electrodes, and for TM research, 
compares the 19 x 18  = 342 possible pairs of electrode. Researchers 
than report the interesting ones where the coherence goes above the 
average.


The system you linked to can't even be used to measure a single 
coherent pair as there ain't a pair to compare.




L

[FairfieldLife] Plan 9's Finno-Ugric "dominance"

[cardemais...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Maila Nurmi (my-lah noor-me), born in Petsamo Finland 1922, orig. Maila 
Elizabeth Syrjäniemi.

Bela Lugosi, born in Lugos 1882, then Hungary, now Lugoj, Romania; orig. Béla 
Ferenc Dezső Blaskó

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Your own personal EEG device

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Here's a 14 channel personal EEG.  Two models, one for $299 and one for 
$750 (haven't had time to see if they both have 14 channels).

http://emotiv.com/eeg/features.php

On 06/01/2014 10:27 AM, lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] wrote:


F3, F4, P3, P4... for Alaric's demo.



L


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

They're a useless toy.

The ultra-low-end professional-level EEG setup that Fred Travis uses 
for his demos have 19 EEG electrodes + reference electrodes.


This thing has ONE ELECTRODE. You can't even test a single EEG 
coherence pair (for that you need 2 EEG electrodes).


From the product description:

  The headset’s reference and ground electrodes are on the ear clip 
and the EEG electrode is on the sensor arm, resting on the forehead 
above the eye (FP1 position). It uses a single AAA battery with 8 
hours of battery life.


FP1 refers to the 10-20 EEG electrode placement scheme:

http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif



image 


http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.g... 



View on www.immram... 



Preview by Yahoo




In order to establish the EEG coherence you must compare teh output 
from two different electrodes simultaneously.




Alaric's EEG video I linked to uses 4 separate electrodes, F2, F3, P2, 
P3 and provides readings for 4 of the 8 possible coherence measures, 
and that is essentially a promotional demo for his class, not a demo 
of the actual science involved.



A real, low-end system uses all 19 electrodes, and for TM research, 
compares the 19 x 18  = 342 possible pairs of electrode. Researchers 
than report the interesting ones where the coherence goes above the 
average.


The system you linked to can't even be used to measure a single 
coherent pair as there ain't a pair to compare.




L

[FairfieldLife] Re: One for Bharitu (or other nerds)

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

Idon't believe that was an actual command (not intentionally at least), but 
just a description of what sometimes happened (hopefully not the catch fire 
part, but you never know)... 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I seem to remember that you liked "Silicon Valley," which I found too silly to 
bother with. Here's another one for your perusal. 

 

 Check out "Halt and Catch Fire," the new AMC series starring Lee Pace (from 
"Pushing Daisies"). 

 

 The IMDB description is "Set in the early 1980s, series dramatizes the 
personal computing boom through the eyes of a visionary, an engineer and a 
prodigy whose innovations directly confront the corporate behemoths of the 
time. Their personal and professional partnership will be challenged by greed 
and ego while charting the changing culture in Texas' Silicon Prairie." 
 
 The first few words, displayed on the screen at the beginning of the series, 
are:
 
 HALT AND CATCH FIRE (HCF):
 
 An early computer command that sent the machine into a race condition, forcing 
all instructions to compete for superiority at once. 
 
 Control of the computer could not be regained. 
 
 

 The first episode is actually pretty interesting, and for a show about nerds, 
it's pretty fuckin' dynamic. Great babe, too, in newcomer Mackenzie Davis. 

 

 

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why white belt should be the highest rank in martial arts

[anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For those of you who never studied martial arts, a white belt is the rank you 
are given as a beginner... 

 

 I have a black belt, but not because I have studied martial arts. It just 
holds up my pants.
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Your own personal EEG device

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

Well, it's not the higehst-quality either. Up until the partnership with the 
folk at the Key-Institute, MUM didn't have real access to the best possible 
analysis of EEG, so it didn't really matter. 

 Now that they are partnering on a regular basis (or so I hear) perhaps a 
high-def EEG machine will be in the works. Those are really kool.
 

 

 Tononi uses the output of one in his discussion of his work on magnetic 
induction during sleep about 2 minutes in:
 

 Giulio Tononi Deep Sleep https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RptzQ_o2deA 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RptzQ_o2deA 
 
 Giulio Tononi Deep Sleep https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RptzQ_o2deA This 
feature is not available right now. Please try again later. 
 
 
 
 View on www.youtube... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RptzQ_o2deA 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  


  
L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I doubt that's the case, but at any rate, MUM's EEG equipment is hardly 
"low-rent." And your comment here is a non sequitur to the one I was responding 
to. 

 Sounds to me as if you're being elitist...
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
No serious researcher uses EEG to measure the effects of things on the brain 
any more. They use fMRI. Only low-rent researchers who can't get grants or 
afford more up-to-date equipment rely on EEGs, or cite them. 

 

 
   If you actually read the thread, you'll see that at this point it's talking 
about the effects of different kinds of meditation on the practitioners' EEGs. 
Bhairitu suggested getting a "personal EEG device" to check what happens with 
your EEG when you meditate. Lawson is pointing out that such devices are 
"useless toys" and won't tell you anything at all significant about your 
meditating EEG. That's a perfectly reasonable comment that isn't even remotely 
"elitist."
 

 If you're not interested in meditating EEGs, fine. But both Lawson and 
Bhairitu are, as are many researchers, both TM and non-TM.
 

 Don't you have anything more sensible to carp about?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
Gawd, you're even elitist about *EEG machines*, which have nothing whatsoever 
to do with meditation. :-)

 

 From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, June 1, 2014 7:21 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Your own personal EEG device
 
 
   They're a useless toy.
 The ultra-low-end professional-level EEG setup that Fred Travis uses for his 
demos have 19 EEG electrodes + reference electrodes.
 

 This thing has ONE ELECTRODE. You can't even test a single EEG coherence pair 
(for that you need 2 EEG electrodes).
 

 From the product description:
 

   The headset’s reference and ground electrodes are on the ear clip and the 
EEG electrode is on the sensor arm, resting on the forehead above the eye (FP1 
position). It uses a single AAA battery with 8 hours of battery life.

 

 FP1 refers to the 10-20 EEG electrode placement scheme:
 

 http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif 
http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif 
 
 http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif
 
 http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.g... 

 
 View on www.immram... 
http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  


 

 

 In order to establish the EEG coherence you must compare teh output from two 
different electrodes simultaneously.
 

 

 

 Alaric's EEG video I linked to uses 4 separate electrodes, F2, F3, P2, P3 and 
provides readings for 4 of the 8 possible coherence measures, and that is 
essentially a promotional demo for his class, not a demo of the actual science 
involved.
 

 

 A real, low-end system uses all 19 electrodes, and for TM research, compares 
the 19 x 18  = 342 possible pairs of electrode. Researchers than report the 
interesting ones where the coherence goes above the average.
 

 The system you linked to can't even be used to measure a single coherent pair 
as there ain't a pair to compare.
 

 

 

 L
 

 

 


 














 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Your own personal EEG device

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

Actually, you're wrong. 

 

 People who try to figure out what the brain is doing use all sorts of 
different machines, hopefully on the same subjects, maybe even at the same 
time, or very close to the same time (in the case of EEG + something else ).
 

 EEG measures tiny electrical currents in the scalp thought to be related to 
the activity fo the underlying part of the  brain. The drawback is that it 
looks at ALL electrical activity from every part of the brain (every part of 
the skin, actually), and all sorts of mathematical analysis is done to try to 
compensate for distant electrical sources (whether from other parts of the 
brain, or eye twitches,  or whatever). The advantage is that you get 1,000 
samples per second to work with and machiens are REALLY cheap compared to every 
thing else.
 

 MEG measure tiny magnetic fields coming from the brain. It is more accurate 
than EEG in that fields from distant parts of the brain and/or body aren't 
going to interfere much, if at all, as they are even more weak than the field 
coming from the part of the brain directly underneath the magnets, and those 
magnets have to be so sensitive to pick of brain-based fields that they need to 
be cooled with liquid nitrogen to work at all. They sampling rate is about 
500-1000/second, so theyre in the same ballpark as EEG in that regard. The 
disadvantages are that you only get fields coming from the surface of the 
brain, and the neurons have to be oriented just the right way, or you don't 
register a magnetic field at all, if I'm reading things properly. Also, MEG 
machiens are the most expensive of the brain imaging stuff I have read about. 
 

 

 fMRI and other imaging techniques that use BOLD (Blood Oxygen Level 
Difference)  are much more accurate spatially than MEG or EEG. EVen with the 
best mathematical techniques and the highest-resolution (256 electrode) 
machines, you still have 1/10 the spatial accuracy from EEG/MEG as you do from 
BOLD-based imaging.  The disadvantages are many: even the best BOLD-based 
imaging requires 1 second per image, and the machines run from somewhat 
unhealthy to use to rather unhealthy to use.
 

 There's no limit to how often or how much you can use MEG/EEG on a specific 
subject, but fMRI and other BOLD imaging machines all have limits of 
days/weeks/month(s) as to how often you can safely run the same test on the 
same subject.
 

 

 It turns out that BOLD systems have another issue: when dealing with a resting 
brain, it turns out that the parts of the brain that are supposed to activate 
the most during rest are also the parts that happen to sit next to major blood 
vessels. It is difficult to tell how much blood oxygen level is related to the 
activation of the brain and how much is due to sitting next to a major source 
of blood in the first place. Even breathing can change oxygen levels in the 
brain, and so holding one's breath is considered an important thing to do when 
working with these machines.
 

 Of course, unless you're in the TM pure consciousness state, holding yoru 
breath is an active mental process and would interfere with measuring what your 
brain is doing when completely allowed to rest, so that's another consideration.
 

 The rest of the brain imaging machines take longer to get an image and are 
even more dangerous, as I understand it.
 

 

 Getting back to the point: there are tradeoffs of  what you can determine from 
any specific imaging technique, and researchers prefer to use 2 or more on the 
same subjects, if at all possible.
 

 It's true that MUM doesn't have anything but EEG, but they can partner with 
other universities that do, and they have done so in the past, and will in the 
future, I am sure.
 

 L
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
No serious researcher uses EEG to measure the effects of things on the brain 
any more. They use fMRI. Only low-rent researchers who can't get grants or 
afford more up-to-date equipment rely on EEGs, or cite them. 

 

 
   If you actually read the thread, you'll see that at this point it's talking 
about the effects of different kinds of meditation on the practitioners' EEGs. 
Bhairitu suggested getting a "personal EEG device" to check what happens with 
your EEG when you meditate. Lawson is pointing out that such devices are 
"useless toys" and won't tell you anything at all significant about your 
meditating EEG. That's a perfectly reasonable comment that isn't even remotely 
"elitist."
 

 If you're not interested in meditating EEGs, fine. But both Lawson and 
Bhairitu are, as are many researchers, both TM and non-TM.
 

 Don't you have anything more sensible to carp about?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
Gawd, you're even elitist about *EEG machines*, which have nothing whatsoever 
to do with meditation. :-)

 

 From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, June 1, 2014 7:21 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] R

Re: [FairfieldLife] Why white belt should be the highest rank in martial arts

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 6/1/2014 9:49 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:


I'd prefer to hang with the white belts any day, because they're 
willing to learn more, and *build upon* the things they've already 
learned. The lady I had drinks with in New York -- who had two black 
belts to her credit when she spoke her one-liner to me -- is now a 
fifth-degree black belt, working on her sixth. To paraphrase the I 
Ching, "Perseverance -- and humility -- furthers." 

>
Yogis have no need for a belt of any color. Have a nice day.



---
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is active.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] One for Bharitu (or other nerds)

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Unfortunately AMC is pay access only for me unless they've posted the 
pilot for free (and probably not).  I liked Kevin's Smith's "Comic Book 
Men" but refuse to pay as much for a half-hour show as a full hour show 
streaming.


I ran into a race condition problem recently trying to run javascript in 
an Android webview which sometimes runs the javascript before the 
webview is finished initializing and returns the wrong screen dimensions 
(default 320x240).  Had to ad a workaround to the library I was using 
and finally Google acknowledges the bug and are going to fix it next 
release.


On 06/01/2014 12:51 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
I seem to remember that you liked "Silicon Valley," which I found too 
silly to bother with. Here's another one for your perusal.


Check out "Halt and Catch Fire," the new AMC series starring Lee Pace 
(from "Pushing Daisies").


The IMDB description is "Set in the early 1980s, series dramatizes the 
personal computing boom through the eyes of a visionary, an engineer 
and a prodigy whose innovations directly confront the corporate 
behemoths of the time. Their personal and professional partnership 
will be challenged by greed and ego while charting the changing 
culture in Texas' Silicon Prairie."


The first few words, displayed on the screen at the beginning of the 
series, are:


HALT AND CATCH FIRE (HCF):

An early computer command that sent the machine into a race condition, 
forcing all instructions to compete for superiority at once.


Control of the computer could not be regained.

The first episode is actually pretty interesting, and for a show about 
nerds, it's pretty fuckin' dynamic. Great babe, too, in newcomer 
Mackenzie Davis.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Your own personal EEG device

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Remains to be seen.  We used to check for alpha using a biofeedback 
device.  There are also other companies selling personal EEG devices.


Yes, I know the universities have medical quality devices.  And BTW, I 
knew Fred Travis when he was at the SIMS TM center near the University 
of Washington.


It might be fun to play with one of these and see what different mantras 
produce.  I might even write some software for it.


On 06/01/2014 10:21 AM, lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] wrote:


They're a useless toy.


The ultra-low-end professional-level EEG setup that Fred Travis uses 
for his demos have 19 EEG electrodes + reference electrodes.


This thing has ONE ELECTRODE. You can't even test a single EEG 
coherence pair (for that you need 2 EEG electrodes).


From the product description:

  The headset’s reference and ground electrodes are on the ear clip 
and the EEG electrode is on the sensor arm, resting on the forehead 
above the eye (FP1 position). It uses a single AAA battery with 8 
hours of battery life.


FP1 refers to the 10-20 EEG electrode placement scheme:

http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif



image 


http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.g... 



View on www.immram... 



Preview by Yahoo




In order to establish the EEG coherence you must compare teh output 
from two different electrodes simultaneously.




Alaric's EEG video I linked to uses 4 separate electrodes, F2, F3, P2, 
P3 and provides readings for 4 of the 8 possible coherence measures, 
and that is essentially a promotional demo for his class, not a demo 
of the actual science involved.



A real, low-end system uses all 19 electrodes, and for TM research, 
compares the 19 x 18  = 342 possible pairs of electrode. Researchers 
than report the interesting ones where the coherence goes above the 
average.


The system you linked to can't even be used to measure a single 
coherent pair as there ain't a pair to compare.




L

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mindfulness and/versus TM

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

Of course there's the case of of the Principal of the all-girls Buddhist school 
in Thailand, who became a TM teacher herself because so many students were 
complaining of headaches after learning more modern ("traditional") Buddhist 
techniques. 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
 That's right, haven't tried nor am I going to. A Buddhist technique that gives 
headaches to large number of people is not only a waste of time but probably 
harmful.
 

 ===
 

 People practising TM also report headaches and head pressure during and after 
meditation. This seems to be a potential experience with all forms of 
meditation, perhaps an indication of effort creeping into the practise. One can 
also have a headache during meditation for reasons unrelated to meditation.
 

 Since you eschew Buddhist meditation entirely, how do you know it causes 
people headaches? How many people do you directly know that practice Buddhist 
meditation and have headaches?
 

 Note that 'mindfulness' represents a large number of meditation techniques 
rather than a single uniformly taught method so one would expect wide 
variations. Those that taught me never discussed making use of concentration or 
effort. And recall also that TM is considered harmful by many people. There 
does not seem to be really solid evidence either way here. I prefer both kinds 
of meditation, TM and 'mindfulness', noting that 'mindfulness' is not 
deliberate minding or focusing, at least the way I was taught.
 










 

[FairfieldLife] One for Bharitu (or other nerds)

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I seem to remember that you liked "Silicon Valley," which I found too silly to 
bother with. Here's another one for your perusal. 


Check out "Halt and Catch Fire," the new AMC series starring Lee Pace (from 
"Pushing Daisies"). 


The IMDB description is "Set in the early 1980s, series dramatizes the personal 
computing boom 
through the eyes of a visionary, an engineer and a prodigy whose 
innovations directly confront the corporate behemoths of the time. Their 
personal and professional partnership will be challenged by greed and 
ego while charting the changing culture in Texas' Silicon Prairie." 

The first few words, displayed on the screen at the beginning of the series, 
are:

HALT AND CATCH FIRE (HCF):

An early computer command that sent the machine into a race condition, 
forcing all instructions to compete for superiority at once. 

Control of the computer could not be regained. 


The first episode is actually pretty interesting, and for a show about nerds, 
it's pretty fuckin' dynamic. Great babe, too, in newcomer Mackenzie Davis. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Your own personal EEG device

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I doubt that's the case, but at any rate, MUM's EEG equipment is hardly 
"low-rent." And your comment here is a non sequitur to the one I was responding 
to. 

 Sounds to me as if you're being elitist...
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
No serious researcher uses EEG to measure the effects of things on the brain 
any more. They use fMRI. Only low-rent researchers who can't get grants or 
afford more up-to-date equipment rely on EEGs, or cite them. 

 

 
   If you actually read the thread, you'll see that at this point it's talking 
about the effects of different kinds of meditation on the practitioners' EEGs. 
Bhairitu suggested getting a "personal EEG device" to check what happens with 
your EEG when you meditate. Lawson is pointing out that such devices are 
"useless toys" and won't tell you anything at all significant about your 
meditating EEG. That's a perfectly reasonable comment that isn't even remotely 
"elitist."
 

 If you're not interested in meditating EEGs, fine. But both Lawson and 
Bhairitu are, as are many researchers, both TM and non-TM.
 

 Don't you have anything more sensible to carp about?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
Gawd, you're even elitist about *EEG machines*, which have nothing whatsoever 
to do with meditation. :-)

 

 From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, June 1, 2014 7:21 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Your own personal EEG device
 
 
   They're a useless toy.
 The ultra-low-end professional-level EEG setup that Fred Travis uses for his 
demos have 19 EEG electrodes + reference electrodes.
 

 This thing has ONE ELECTRODE. You can't even test a single EEG coherence pair 
(for that you need 2 EEG electrodes).
 

 From the product description:
 

   The headset’s reference and ground electrodes are on the ear clip and the 
EEG electrode is on the sensor arm, resting on the forehead above the eye (FP1 
position). It uses a single AAA battery with 8 hours of battery life.

 

 FP1 refers to the 10-20 EEG electrode placement scheme:
 

 http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif 
http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif 
 
 http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif
 
 http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.g... 

 
 View on www.immram... 
http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  


 

 

 In order to establish the EEG coherence you must compare teh output from two 
different electrodes simultaneously.
 

 

 

 Alaric's EEG video I linked to uses 4 separate electrodes, F2, F3, P2, P3 and 
provides readings for 4 of the 8 possible coherence measures, and that is 
essentially a promotional demo for his class, not a demo of the actual science 
involved.
 

 

 A real, low-end system uses all 19 electrodes, and for TM research, compares 
the 19 x 18  = 342 possible pairs of electrode. Researchers than report the 
interesting ones where the coherence goes above the average.
 

 The system you linked to can't even be used to measure a single coherent pair 
as there ain't a pair to compare.
 

 

 

 L
 

 

 


 














 


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mindfulness; the Guru as mantra - Let 'er rip, or not?

[emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

So where did you learn & practice Shikan taza & for how long?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Your own personal EEG device

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

No serious researcher uses EEG to measure the effects of things on the brain 
any more. They use fMRI. Only low-rent researchers who can't get grants or 
afford more up-to-date equipment rely on EEGs, or cite them. 






  
If you actually read the thread, you'll see that at this point it's talking 
about the effects of different kinds of meditation on the practitioners' EEGs. 
Bhairitu suggested getting a "personal EEG device" to check what happens with 
your EEG when you meditate. Lawson is pointing out that such devices are 
"useless toys" and won't tell you anything at all significant about your 
meditating EEG. That's a perfectly reasonable comment that isn't even remotely 
"elitist."

If you're not interested in meditating EEGs, fine. But both Lawson and Bhairitu 
are, as are many researchers, both TM and non-TM.

Don't you have anything more sensible to carp about?



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :



Gawd, you're even elitist about *EEG machines*, which have nothing whatsoever 
to do with meditation. :-)




 From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, June 1, 2014 7:21 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Your own personal EEG device



 
They're a useless toy.
The ultra-low-end professional-level EEG setup that Fred Travis uses for his 
demos have 19 EEG electrodes + reference electrodes.

This thing has ONE ELECTRODE. You can't even test a single EEG coherence pair 
(for that you need 2 EEG electrodes).

>From the product description:

  The headset’s reference and ground electrodes are on the ear clip and the EEG 
electrode is on the sensor
arm, resting on the forehead above the eye (FP1 position). It uses a single AAA 
battery with 8 hours of battery life.


FP1 refers to the 10-20 EEG electrode placement scheme:

http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif
 
  http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.g...   
View on www.immram...  Preview by Yahoo   
 



In order to establish the EEG coherence you must compare teh output from two 
different electrodes simultaneously.



Alaric's EEG video I linked to uses 4 separate electrodes, F2, F3, P2, P3 and 
provides readings for 4 of the 8 possible coherence measures, and that is 
essentially a promotional demo for his class, not a demo of the actual science 
involved.


A real, low-end system uses all 19 electrodes, and for TM research, compares 
the 19 x 18  = 342 possible pairs of electrode. Researchers than report the 
interesting ones where the coherence goes above the average.

The system you linked to can't even be used to measure a single coherent pair 
as there ain't a pair to compare.



L

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Your own personal EEG device

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

If you actually read the thread, you'll see that at this point it's talking 
about the effects of different kinds of meditation on the practitioners' EEGs. 
Bhairitu suggested getting a "personal EEG device" to check what happens with 
your EEG when you meditate. Lawson is pointing out that such devices are 
"useless toys" and won't tell you anything at all significant about your 
meditating EEG. That's a perfectly reasonable comment that isn't even remotely 
"elitist." 

 If you're not interested in meditating EEGs, fine. But both Lawson and 
Bhairitu are, as are many researchers, both TM and non-TM.
 

 Don't you have anything more sensible to carp about?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
Gawd, you're even elitist about *EEG machines*, which have nothing whatsoever 
to do with meditation. :-)

 

 From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, June 1, 2014 7:21 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Your own personal EEG device
 
 
   They're a useless toy.
 The ultra-low-end professional-level EEG setup that Fred Travis uses for his 
demos have 19 EEG electrodes + reference electrodes.
 

 This thing has ONE ELECTRODE. You can't even test a single EEG coherence pair 
(for that you need 2 EEG electrodes).
 

 From the product description:
 

   The headset’s reference and ground electrodes are on the ear clip and the 
EEG electrode is on the sensor arm, resting on the forehead above the eye (FP1 
position). It uses a single AAA battery with 8 hours of battery life.

 

 FP1 refers to the 10-20 EEG electrode placement scheme:
 

 http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif 
http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif 
 
 http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif
 
 http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.g... 
http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif

 
 View on www.immram... 
http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  


 

 

 In order to establish the EEG coherence you must compare teh output from two 
different electrodes simultaneously.
 

 

 

 Alaric's EEG video I linked to uses 4 separate electrodes, F2, F3, P2, P3 and 
provides readings for 4 of the 8 possible coherence measures, and that is 
essentially a promotional demo for his class, not a demo of the actual science 
involved.
 

 

 A real, low-end system uses all 19 electrodes, and for TM research, compares 
the 19 x 18  = 342 possible pairs of electrode. Researchers than report the 
interesting ones where the coherence goes above the average.
 

 The system you linked to can't even be used to measure a single coherent pair 
as there ain't a pair to compare.
 

 

 

 L
 

 

 


 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Your own personal EEG device

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Gawd, you're even elitist about *EEG machines*, which have nothing whatsoever 
to do with meditation. :-)




 From: "lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, June 1, 2014 7:21 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Your own personal EEG device
 


  
They're a useless toy.
The ultra-low-end professional-level EEG setup that Fred Travis uses for his 
demos have 19 EEG electrodes + reference electrodes.

This thing has ONE ELECTRODE. You can't even test a single EEG coherence pair 
(for that you need 2 EEG electrodes).

>From the product description:

  The headset’s reference and ground electrodes are on the ear clip and the EEG 
electrode is on the sensor arm, resting on the forehead above the eye (FP1 
position). It uses a single AAA battery with 8 hours of battery life.


FP1 refers to the 10-20 EEG electrode placement scheme:

http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif
 
   http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.g...
View on www.immram...   Preview by Yahoo
 



In order to establish the EEG coherence you must compare teh output from two 
different electrodes simultaneously.



Alaric's EEG video I linked to uses 4 separate electrodes, F2, F3, P2, P3 and 
provides readings for 4 of the 8 possible coherence measures, and that is 
essentially a promotional demo for his class, not a demo of the actual science 
involved.


A real, low-end system uses all 19 electrodes, and for TM research, compares 
the 19 x 18  = 342 possible pairs of electrode. Researchers than report the 
interesting ones where the coherence goes above the average.

The system you linked to can't even be used to measure a single coherent pair 
as there ain't a pair to compare.



L

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mindfulness and/versus TM

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

From: salyavin808 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Truly a waste of time, except for wankers. All of these medieval meditation 
techniques, like this 'mindfulness', introduced by the delusional, as a panacea 
for modern life. Could it get any weirder??


I wish I was as certain of just one thing as you seem to be about 
everything.

You wouldn't like it. It's a form of stasis in which nothing ever changes 
except the individual wording of the declarations of one's superiority.  :-)

RE: [FairfieldLife] Graphing the Illumined Batgap interviewees by types

['Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife]]

Rick should get someone much more scholarly [with credentials] to discern and 
categorize the interviewees spiritually if Rick is going to publish a 
categorical list like that and not just let some earnest friend go work on it. 


 First, Rick really ought to pull the list from the Batgap page right now, back 
up and think about it some more before publishing some stoopid list that way it 
is growing now or he is looking at all kinds of legal troubles for Batgap and 
himself.


Kindly,

-Buck in the Dome

 


Yes, I noticed the attempt at categorization on Batgap. It is lame.


-Buck

 

Legal troubles? What might those be, pray tell? Feel free to give me category 
suggestions for specific individuals and I may implement them.

.

  

 
  

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mindfulness and/versus TM

[nablusoss1008]

 Stranger indeed, the latest is that the strainers getting headaches while 
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 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Truly a waste of time, except for wankers. All of these medieval meditation 
techniques, like this 'mindfulness', introduced by the delusional, as a panacea 
for modern life. Could it get any weirder??
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 That's right, haven't tried nor am I going to. A Buddhist technique that gives 
headaches to large number of people is not only a waste of time but probably 
harmful. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For the record, my bet is that neither the Jim-bot nor the Nabby-bot have 
*ever* in their lives learned or practiced any form of mindfulness meditation, 






 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mindfulness and/versus TM

[nablusoss1008]

 Stranger indeed, the latest is that the strainers getting headaches while 
trying to get their minds "full" will be required to wear funny hats:
 
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


 Truly a waste of time, except for wankers. All of these medieval meditation 
techniques, like this 'mindfulness', introduced by the delusional, as a panacea 
for modern life. Could it get any weirder??
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 That's right, haven't tried nor am I going to. A Buddhist technique that gives 
headaches to large number of people is not only a waste of time but probably 
harmful. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For the record, my bet is that neither the Jim-bot nor the Nabby-bot have 
*ever* in their lives learned or practiced any form of mindfulness meditation, 






 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mindfulness and/versus TM

[anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
 That's right, haven't tried nor am I going to. A Buddhist technique that gives 
headaches to large number of people is not only a waste of time but probably 
harmful.
 

 ===
 

 People practising TM also report headaches and head pressure during and after 
meditation. This seems to be a potential experience with all forms of 
meditation, perhaps an indication of effort creeping into the practise. One can 
also have a headache during meditation for reasons unrelated to meditation.
 

 Since you eschew Buddhist meditation entirely, how do you know it causes 
people headaches? How many people do you directly know that practice Buddhist 
meditation and have headaches?
 

 Note that 'mindfulness' represents a large number of meditation techniques 
rather than a single uniformly taught method so one would expect wide 
variations. Those that taught me never discussed making use of concentration or 
effort. And recall also that TM is considered harmful by many people. There 
does not seem to be really solid evidence either way here. I prefer both kinds 
of meditation, TM and 'mindfulness', noting that 'mindfulness' is not 
deliberate minding or focusing, at least the way I was taught.
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] A Little MIU Story

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

The EEG measures I have seen from practicing the TM-Sidhis as part of the 
Invincible America project say that not only was he sorta wrong, he was majorly 
wrong about the TM-SIdhis. 

 

 Maharishi was 100% (and then some!!!) correct about the long-term effects, 
meditation-wise.
 

 Look at the before/after EEG in that video I linked to.
 

 Last 5 minutes:
 

 EEG-only part of presentation on upcoming seminar on Transcendental Meditation 
and EEG 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd_b-LS6SzQ&list=UU0iwNoV7Sptxi1qqWz_R9IA 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd_b-LS6SzQ&list=UU0iwNoV7Sptxi1qqWz_R9IA 
 
 EEG-only part of presentation on upcoming seminar on Tra... 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd_b-LS6SzQ&list=UU0iwNoV7Sptxi1qqWz_R9IA This 
is the EEG video presented within the presentation about the upcoming seminar 
on Transcendental Meditation and EEG done by Alaric Arenander. It's...
 
 
 
 View on www.youtube... 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd_b-LS6SzQ&list=UU0iwNoV7Sptxi1qqWz_R9IA 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  


 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

 He still does TM, is a bit sad about the behavior of the TMO and was surprised 
at the pundit riot -he teaches English at some Catholic College in Kentucky. 
 

 He's got some good stories about seeing people freak out (as in major 
unstressing) He knew and worked with Brain Henchcliff who committed suicide not 
long after leaving MIU staff. He also has as I put in his account long been a 
fan of Charlie and has told me some stuff Charlie said at lectures that make me 
see why Marshy never let Charlie in the front door much. He also reports that 
Charlie was vocal in his unhappiness over Marshy introducing the TM Siddhi 
program - said so at his talks on more than one occasion. 

 From: "Pundit Sir punditster@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: Richard J. Williams  
 Sent: Sunday, June 1, 2014 12:44 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A Little MIU Story
 
 
   We know you should be taking baby steps, but what about Bob?
 

 Baby Steps Clip:
 http://youtu.be/p3JPa2mvSQ4 http://youtu.be/p3JPa2mvSQ4

 


 

 On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 9:42 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... 
mailto:mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
   
 I was talking to my Kentucky friend Bob the other day. Bob was MIU for eight 
years total, as a student for most of them, but he worked on staff from time to 
time. This is what he told me.
 

 "Yeah I was there during the Robin Carlsen years. I went to see him once, just 
once, out of curiosity really. And it was interesting, but he was kinda strange 
I thought. He was kinda strange. Now one thing, he did have some energy, no 
question about it. He looked directly in my eyes and man I felt like he was 
peering into all the deep dark stuff that was in there, you know?
 

 But he was really kinda strange, and from what I could see of his stuff, well 
he was doing exorcisms is what he was really doing with people. But anyway I 
only went that one time, and that was the only time I saw him except for the 
time he came to a Charlie Lutes talk and I was there.
 

 But anyway, I went back on campus after the Robin Carlsen thing, and went to 
work the next day like usual, I was working the in press at that time and about 
half way through the day a guy comes in and says "Bob, the Ad Council wants to 
see you."
 

 So I said ok and man, there were a few guys in the press that day, and none of 
'em would look me straight in the eye, they all had these hang dog looks on 
their faces and would only look at me out of the sides of their eyes.
 

 So I followed this guy on over to where they were waiting for me, and I walk 
in the room and there is Bill Rist, Mario Orsati and James Beddinger. There was 
one other guy there too, but I can't remember who it was. They sit me down and 
started in on the interrogation. They asked me all kinds of questions about my 
going to see Robin, but the main thing they kept asking me over and over was 
"Do you believe in him?"
 

 So I told 'em what I knew they wanted to hear, like I thought he was flakey 
and I just went that one time out of curiosity and stuff like that. I guess I 
satisfied them, cause they didn't kick me out, but they sure did give me some 
lectures about how I needed to be careful about what I did as a staff or 
student and I needed to be careful about my behavior and my thinking.
 

 And that was the end of it, except that after that every time I saw James 
around campus he would give me these looks, you know, like "I'm watching you 
boy!" kind of looks.
 

 And I swear, you know I am a big and was a big Charlie Lutes fan so whenever 
Charlie would come anywhere close to Fairfield, I would always go see him. But 
after that "meeting" with Bill Rist and Mario and James, ever after that when I 
would come back on campus after seeing Charlie, there would come James. 

 

 It didn't matter if I was headed to my room or the dining hall or student 
union, or

Re: [FairfieldLife] Why white belt should be the highest rank in martial arts

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 6/1/2014 9:49 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
For those of you who never studied martial arts, a white belt is the 
rank you are given as a beginner.

>
A white belt is the belt you get when you buy a karate uniform. The 
first class I attended was when my parents were stationed in Japan in 
1959 in the USAF. What is important in martial arts isn't the clothing 
you wear or your rank at a dojo - what is important is self control 
which /begins in the mind/. An effective self defense is greatly a 
function of our awareness of the surroundings in the outside world; our 
ability to control the content of our mind under stress; and our ability 
to remove ourselves as a "target" by our behavior and mindset. Most 
instructors only give lip service to mental preparation such as 
meditation and spend more time discussing physical tactics. Self defense 
is as much mental as physical.



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[FairfieldLife] Friends Journal article, The TM Diaspora...

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

2003, 
 (Though my mother's side of the family is old Iowa Quaker (Whittier-
 Springville, Ia. via Flushing, Oh. and the Carolinas) and runs 
 directly back to England, I am not currently really versed or 
 participating in things Quaker. My own interests are more abstract. 
 However, I thought you all might appreciate these thoughts on Quaker 
 Meeting as practice as we are doing it out in the hinterlands. 
 
 Best Regards from very Southeastern Iowa,
 

 
[paste:]
 

 
 
 Friends Journal
 
 
 
 
 
 Dear Editors;
 
 
 
 Your July 2003 'Welcome to Newcomers' article in Friends Journal 
 came in good timing as good food for thought. I live in a community 
 where several of us have sat on occasion and worshipped as Friends. 
 In our town we have several experienced Quakers. Some Earlham 
 College grads. Some Eastern birth-rights who went to Friends schools 
 out there. Some Midwest birth-rights. Some Scattergood Friends. 
 Also a few convinced Friends who were in Meetings elsewhere at other 
 times. In the last 25-30 years in our little town occasionally we 
 have met but nothing as far as having a regular Friends 
 Meeting. 
 
 
 
 Following after the vocations of our different lives we 
 are 'fallen between-the-cracks-friends' as Teddy Milne describes in 
 her Friends Journal article on membership. I believe that all of us 
 here, whether formerly affiliated as Quakers or not, would claim our 
 religious or spiritual affiliation as Quaker, regardless. Though none of us 
are 
 members of organized formal Friends Meetings otherwise.
 
 
 
 Hence, when we do meet it is truly as friends pursuing a 
 corporate practice of sitting together in a powerful silence. When 
 we do meet it is in common as with the Quaker Practice 
 suggested by Esther Greenleaf Murer in the Friends Journal on 'Why 
 Come to Meeting' on time? Coming to Meeting, as in the corporate 
 nature of our peculiar Quaker worship.
 
 
 
 For those of us as Friends living here in this little 
 Iowa town known for its thousands of Transcendental Meditators, 
 mostly our Quaker practice as Friends we have absorbed into a larger 
 testimony of a group practice of meditation with a larger activist 
 endeavor. In itself that is an endeavor of corporate practice of 
 sitting in cultivated silence towards a so called 'Field Effect' of a 
collective world spiritual 
 peace. Living in our 'meditating' community here as Friends we each 
 recognize it experientially as Quaker in form though it has been part 
 of another larger experiment incorporating aspects of Quaker method 
 of sitting in group, on large scale. 
 
 
 
 For years and now for decades, we have had group 
 meditations of many hundreds people everyday and sometimes thousands, 
 with many of us spending an hour and a half to three or four or five 
 hours a day silently meditating in group. It has been a very 
 powerful corporate experience spiritually for the many of those who 
 have pursued it. The 'weight' of it I think any of the founding 
 Quakers would have recognized as part of their own experience. 
 
 
 
 The experience, while I experience it as similar, does 
 not exactly transpose over in the terms of definitions that Quaker 
 authors like Davies or Knowles in their Journal article would like. 
 It is much more simple and powerful in nature; more like Marty Grundy 
 in her 'Sit Thee Here' article in the Journal . I know weighty 
 Friends in the same way that I know weighty 'meditators' from our 
 community here. Weighty in the 'throw-power' of their cultivated 
 silence. I really appreciate the way that Marty Grundy catches the 
 gravity of this weight in her words. It is a very abstract thing but 
 Marty catches it:
 
[snip] " …But the older Friend did much more. As she settled into 
 worship, slipping into that familiar deep openness to God's Spirit, 
 she silently drew the visitor with her. 
 
 Many Friends have had the precious experience of sitting 
 near a weighty Friend and being drawn by that Friend's experience 
 into a deeper, more prayerful place." And then the next two 
 paragraphs enlarging on this. 
 
 
 
 This weightiness comes in time from just doing it through 
 time in practice. It becomes its own standard of weight in 
 experience. 
 
 
 
 Now, recently as aspects of the larger Transcendental Meditation (TM) group 
 participation here in this town have become less inclusive, the 
 larger group meditation practice has dwindled in scope. The several 
 of us old-Quakers who have been active in the larger community group 
 meditations have been exploring a refuge in the tradition of our old 
 Quaker practice that is without the exclusive trappings of our 
 community 'meditation' TM organization. 
 
 
 
 Separations are nothing new even to Quaker Meetings also 
 along the same lines: cultivated experiential practitioners 
 (conservatives) on the one hand and then those dogmatic cultist mood-
 makers of faith (evangelicals) on the other. I see this even still within 
 the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Why white belt should be the highest rank in martial arts

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 6/1/2014 9:49 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
I think that's sad, "achieving" a state in which one believes that one 
really doesn't have anything more to learn. I'd prefer to hang with 
the white belts any day, because they're willing to learn more, and 
*build upon* the things they've already learned. The lady I had drinks 
with in New York -- who had two black belts to her credit when she 
spoke her one-liner to me -- is now a fifth-degree black belt, working 
on her sixth. To paraphrase the I Ching, "Perseverance -- and humility 
-- furthers." 

>
In the philosophy of Shotokan, one of the most important principles is 
humility, respect, compassion, patience, and both an inward and outward 
calmness.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mindfulness and/versus TM

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Truly a waste of time, except for wankers. All of these medieval meditation 
techniques, like this 'mindfulness', introduced by the delusional, as a panacea 
for modern life. Could it get any weirder??
 
I wish I was as certain of just one thing as you seem to be about 
everything.
 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 That's right, haven't tried nor am I going to. A Buddhist technique that gives 
headaches to large number of people is not only a waste of time but probably 
harmful. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For the record, my bet is that neither the Jim-bot nor the Nabby-bot have 
*ever* in their lives learned or practiced any form of mindfulness meditation, 






 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Your own personal EEG device

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

F3, F4, P3, P4... for Alaric's demo. 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 They're a useless toy. 

 The ultra-low-end professional-level EEG setup that Fred Travis uses for his 
demos have 19 EEG electrodes + reference electrodes.
 

 This thing has ONE ELECTRODE. You can't even test a single EEG coherence pair 
(for that you need 2 EEG electrodes).
 

 From the product description:
 

   The headset’s reference and ground electrodes are on the ear clip and the 
EEG electrode is on the sensor arm, resting on the forehead above the eye (FP1 
position). It uses a single AAA battery with 8 hours of battery life.

 

 FP1 refers to the 10-20 EEG electrode placement scheme:
 

 http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif 
http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif 
 
 http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif
 
 http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.g... 
http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif

 
 View on www.immram... 
http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  


 

 

 In order to establish the EEG coherence you must compare teh output from two 
different electrodes simultaneously.
 

 

 

 Alaric's EEG video I linked to uses 4 separate electrodes, F2, F3, P2, P3 and 
provides readings for 4 of the 8 possible coherence measures, and that is 
essentially a promotional demo for his class, not a demo of the actual science 
involved.
 

 

 A real, low-end system uses all 19 electrodes, and for TM research, compares 
the 19 x 18  = 342 possible pairs of electrode. Researchers than report the 
interesting ones where the coherence goes above the average.
 

 The system you linked to can't even be used to measure a single coherent pair 
as there ain't a pair to compare.
 

 

 

 L
 

 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] A Little MIU Story

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

He still does TM, is a bit sad about the behavior of the TMO and was surprised 
at the pundit riot -he teaches English at some Catholic College in Kentucky. 

He's got some good stories about seeing people freak out (as in major 
unstressing) He knew and worked with Brain Henchcliff who committed suicide not 
long after leaving MIU staff. He also has as I put in his account long been a 
fan of Charlie and has told me some stuff Charlie said at lectures that make me 
see why Marshy never let Charlie in the front door much. He also reports that 
Charlie was vocal in his unhappiness over Marshy introducing the TM Siddhi 
program - said so at his talks on more than one occasion. 



 From: "Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]" 

To: Richard J. Williams  
Sent: Sunday, June 1, 2014 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A Little MIU Story
 


  
We know you should be taking baby steps, but what about Bob?

Baby Steps Clip:
http://youtu.be/p3JPa2mvSQ4





On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 9:42 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:

 
>  
>I was talking to my Kentucky friend Bob the other day. Bob
was MIU for eight years total, as a student for most of them, but he worked on 
staff
from time to time. This is what he told me.
>
>
>"Yeah I was there during the Robin Carlsen years. I
went to see him once, just once, out of curiosity really. And it was
interesting, but he was kinda strange I thought. He was kinda strange. Now one
thing, he did have some energy, no question about it. He looked directly in my
eyes and man I felt like he was peering into all the deep dark stuff that was
in there, you know?
>
>
>But he was really kinda strange, and from what I could see
of his stuff, well he was doing exorcisms is what he was really doing with
people. But anyway I only went that one time, and that was the only time I saw
him except for the time he came to a Charlie Lutes talk and I was there. 
>
>
>But anyway, I went back on campus after the Robin Carlsen
thing, and went to work the next day like usual, I was working the in press at
that time and about half way through the day a guy comes in and says "Bob,
the Ad Council wants to see you."
>
>
>So I said ok and man, there were a few guys in the press
that day, and none of 'em would look me straight in the eye, they all had these
hang dog looks on their faces and would only look at me out of the sides of
their eyes. 
>
>
>So I followed this guy on over to where they were waiting
for me, and I walk in the room and there is Bill Rist, Mario Orsati and James
Beddinger. There was one other guy there too, but I can't remember who it was. 
They
sit me down and started in on the interrogation. They asked me all kinds of
questions about my going to see Robin, but the main thing they kept asking me
over and over was "Do you believe in him?"
>
>
>So I told 'em what I knew they wanted to hear, like I
thought he was flakey and I just went that one time out of curiosity and stuff
like that. I guess I satisfied them, cause they didn't kick me out, but they
sure did give me some lectures about how I needed to be careful about what I
did as a staff or student and I needed to be careful about my behavior and my
thinking. 
>
>
>And that was the end of it, except that after that every
time I saw James around campus he would give me these looks, you know, like
"I'm watching you boy!" kind of looks.
>
>
>And I swear, you know I am a big and was a big Charlie Lutes
fan so whenever Charlie would come anywhere close to Fairfield, I would always
go see him. But after that "meeting" with Bill Rist and Mario and
James, ever after that when I would come back on campus after seeing Charlie,
there would come James. 
>
>
>
>It didn't matter if I was headed to my room or the
dining hall or student union, or wherever I would be, just a few minutes after
getting back on campus, James would come walking by. He would just say hello,
but I knew he was letting me know he knew I had gone to see Charlie.
>
>
>The other thing that happened was from then on any time I
applied for a course of any kind, WPA or whatever my application was always
held up and I had to answer questions about going to see Robin Carlsen that one
time. And that went on while I was staff and student and for years after, even
when I would apply to go to a WPA in Louisville or someplace, they have always
asked me about going to see Robin.
>
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Your own personal EEG device

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

They're a useless toy. 

 The ultra-low-end professional-level EEG setup that Fred Travis uses for his 
demos have 19 EEG electrodes + reference electrodes.
 

 This thing has ONE ELECTRODE. You can't even test a single EEG coherence pair 
(for that you need 2 EEG electrodes).
 

 From the product description:
 

   The headset’s reference and ground electrodes are on the ear clip and the 
EEG electrode is on the sensor arm, resting on the forehead above the eye (FP1 
position). It uses a single AAA battery with 8 hours of battery life.

 

 FP1 refers to the 10-20 EEG electrode placement scheme:
 

 http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif 
http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif 
 
 http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif 
 
 http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.g... 
http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif 
 
 
 View on www.immram... 
http://www.immrama.org/images/eegimages/10-20placement.gif 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  


 

 

 In order to establish the EEG coherence you must compare teh output from two 
different electrodes simultaneously.
 

 

 

 Alaric's EEG video I linked to uses 4 separate electrodes, F2, F3, P2, P3 and 
provides readings for 4 of the 8 possible coherence measures, and that is 
essentially a promotional demo for his class, not a demo of the actual science 
involved.
 

 

 A real, low-end system uses all 19 electrodes, and for TM research, compares 
the 19 x 18  = 342 possible pairs of electrode. Researchers than report the 
interesting ones where the coherence goes above the average.
 

 The system you linked to can't even be used to measure a single coherent pair 
as there ain't a pair to compare.
 

 

 

 L
 

 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] What We Saw

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Richard, I love it! Thanks for posting.



On Sunday, June 1, 2014 11:38 AM, "Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.com 
[FairfieldLife]"  wrote:
 


  
Yesterday, we saw this VW van in South San Antonio. The van had a current 
inspection and registration tag on the windshield - apparently it's a daily 
driver to deliver tamales in the neighborhood.

[FairfieldLife] Your own personal EEG device

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

First off a disclaimer that I don't have connection with this company 
but these are fairly inexpensive devices.  Perhaps FFL'ers could get 
them and report in their daily brainwave activity.  We could even 
replace the Postcount with it.  Perhaps call it "The Lawson Index". :-D
http://neurosky.com/products-markets/eeg-biosensors/

There even an SDK for developers.  We could start a whole new revolution 
in "social networking" except it would truly be "neural networking!"

Re: [FairfieldLife] A Little MIU Story

[Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

We know you should be taking baby steps, but what about Bob?

Baby Steps Clip:
http://youtu.be/p3JPa2mvSQ4


On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 9:42 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife]  wrote:

>
>
> I was talking to my Kentucky friend Bob the other day. Bob was MIU for
> eight years total, as a student for most of them, but he worked on staff
> from time to time. This is what he told me.
>
> "Yeah I was there during the Robin Carlsen years. I went to see him once,
> just once, out of curiosity really. And it was interesting, but he was
> kinda strange I thought. He was kinda strange. Now one thing, he did have
> some energy, no question about it. He looked directly in my eyes and man I
> felt like he was peering into all the deep dark stuff that was in there,
> you know?
>
> But he was really kinda strange, and from what I could see of his stuff,
> well he was doing exorcisms is what he was really doing with people. But
> anyway I only went that one time, and that was the only time I saw him
> except for the time he came to a Charlie Lutes talk and I was there.
>
> But anyway, I went back on campus after the Robin Carlsen thing, and went
> to work the next day like usual, I was working the in press at that time
> and about half way through the day a guy comes in and says "Bob, the Ad
> Council wants to see you."
>
> So I said ok and man, there were a few guys in the press that day, and
> none of 'em would look me straight in the eye, they all had these hang dog
> looks on their faces and would only look at me out of the sides of their
> eyes.
>
> So I followed this guy on over to where they were waiting for me, and I
> walk in the room and there is Bill Rist, Mario Orsati and James Beddinger.
> There was one other guy there too, but I can't remember who it was. They
> sit me down and started in on the interrogation. They asked me all kinds of
> questions about my going to see Robin, but the main thing they kept asking
> me over and over was "Do you believe in him?"
>
> So I told 'em what I knew they wanted to hear, like I thought he was
> flakey and I just went that one time out of curiosity and stuff like that.
> I guess I satisfied them, cause they didn't kick me out, but they sure did
> give me some lectures about how I needed to be careful about what I did as
> a staff or student and I needed to be careful about my behavior and my
> thinking.
>
> And that was the end of it, except that after that every time I saw James
> around campus he would give me these looks, you know, like "I'm watching
> you boy!" kind of looks.
>
> And I swear, you know I am a big and was a big Charlie Lutes fan so
> whenever Charlie would come anywhere close to Fairfield, I would always go
> see him. But after that "meeting" with Bill Rist and Mario and James, ever
> after that when I would come back on campus after seeing Charlie, there
> would come James.
>
> It didn't matter if I was headed to my room or the dining hall or student
> union, or wherever I would be, just a few minutes after getting back on
> campus, James would come walking by. He would just say hello, but I knew he
> was letting me know he knew I had gone to see Charlie.
>
> The other thing that happened was from then on any time I applied for a
> course of any kind, WPA or whatever my application was always held up and I
> had to answer questions about going to see Robin Carlsen that one time. And
> that went on while I was staff and student and for years after, even when I
> would apply to go to a WPA in Louisville or someplace, they have always
> asked me about going to see Robin.
>
>  
>

[FairfieldLife] What We Saw

[Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

Yesterday, we saw this VW van in South San Antonio. The van had a current
inspection and registration tag on the windshield - apparently it's a daily
driver to deliver tamales in the neighborhood.

Re: [FairfieldLife] A Little MIU Story

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Yes, I became very aware of the big fish in little pond syndrome, and the below 
average DNA of the pond, itself, about the same time I was considering TTC. 
Kinda good that the self-righteous aggrandizers took over for awhile. Idealism 
would not have sustained the TMO, through thick and thin, whereas the momentum 
of the many ego trips, certainly did. Now that the TMO has survived, I see more 
light from the idealists peeking through, again.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 What I noticed about the "TM Gestapo" is that they were mediocre people who 
began showing up after the AofE courses who were not a part of the "spiritual 
crowd" of TM'ers.  Perhaps they were jealous and saw that their only niche was 
to play "cop" for the TMO.  Most of us rejected them as jokes but if the TMO 
was going to be their venue perhaps it was time to move on.
 
 On 06/01/2014 07:42 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   
 I was talking to my Kentucky friend Bob the other day. Bob was MIU for eight 
years total, as a student for most of them, but he worked on staff from time to 
time. This is what he told me.
 

 "Yeah I was there during the Robin Carlsen years. I went to see him once, just 
once, out of curiosity really. And it was interesting, but he was kinda strange 
I thought. He was kinda strange. Now one thing, he did have some energy, no 
question about it. He looked directly in my eyes and man I felt like he was 
peering into all the deep dark stuff that was in there, you know?
 

 But he was really kinda strange, and from what I could see of his stuff, well 
he was doing exorcisms is what he was really doing with people. But anyway I 
only went that one time, and that was the only time I saw him except for the 
time he came to a Charlie Lutes talk and I was there.
 

 But anyway, I went back on campus after the Robin Carlsen thing, and went to 
work the next day like usual, I was working the in press at that time and about 
half way through the day a guy comes in and says "Bob, the Ad Council wants to 
see you."
 

 So I said ok and man, there were a few guys in the press that day, and none of 
'em would look me straight in the eye, they all had these hang dog looks on 
their faces and would only look at me out of the sides of their eyes.
 

 So I followed this guy on over to where they were waiting for me, and I walk 
in the room and there is Bill Rist, Mario Orsati and James Beddinger. There was 
one other guy there too, but I can't remember who it was. They sit me down and 
started in on the interrogation. They asked me all kinds of questions about my 
going to see Robin, but the main thing they kept asking me over and over was 
"Do you believe in him?"
 

 So I told 'em what I knew they wanted to hear, like I thought he was flakey 
and I just went that one time out of curiosity and stuff like that. I guess I 
satisfied them, cause they didn't kick me out, but they sure did give me some 
lectures about how I needed to be careful about what I did as a staff or 
student and I needed to be careful about my behavior and my thinking.
 

 And that was the end of it, except that after that every time I saw James 
around campus he would give me these looks, you know, like "I'm watching you 
boy!" kind of looks.
 

 And I swear, you know I am a big and was a big Charlie Lutes fan so whenever 
Charlie would come anywhere close to Fairfield, I would always go see him. But 
after that "meeting" with Bill Rist and Mario and James, ever after that when I 
would come back on campus after seeing Charlie, there would come James. 

 

 It didn't matter if I was headed to my room or the dining hall or student 
union, or wherever I would be, just a few minutes after getting back on campus, 
James would come walking by. He would just say hello, but I knew he was letting 
me know he knew I had gone to see Charlie.
 

 The other thing that happened was from then on any time I applied for a course 
of any kind, WPA or whatever my application was always held up and I had to 
answer questions about going to see Robin Carlsen that one time. And that went 
on while I was staff and student and for years after, even when I would apply 
to go to a WPA in Louisville or someplace, they have always asked me about 
going to see Robin.

 



 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Not your usual pirate

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I watched the full season of the recent STARZ series "Black Sails," also about 
pirates, and wound up thinking more of it than I did the first episode of 
"Crossbones." The writing of the latter seemed scattered, as if the writers 
didn't really understand what their concept was. Malcovich was interesting in a 
Gary-Oldman-like over-the-top way, but his character didn't grab me the way 
that some of the characters in "Black Sails" did. 


Plus, I was experiencing cognitive dissonance while watching it. The other male 
lead is played by an English actor by the name of Richard Coyle, and he's 
actually very good in his role. But part of me was cracking up laughing every 
time I saw him, because I first "got to know him" as an actor on a comedy 
series called "Coupling," in which he played Jeff, one of the most clueless 
guy-hanging-around-in-a-bar characters ever captured on film. Every time he'd 
be onscreen in "Crossbones," being all serious, I kept waiting for his mother 
to come in from the wings and say in a hideously disappointed voice, "Oh 
JEFFREY!"  :-)

The terror of the Melty Man - Coupling - BBC comedy

 
   The terror of the Melty Man - Coupling - BBC comedy  
View on www.youtube.com Preview by Yahoo  






 From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" 

To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Sunday, June 1, 2014 6:12 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Not your usual pirate
 


  
"Hannibal" finished it's second season a week ago so Friday night NBC 
launched "Crossbones", a series based on the pirate Blackbeard. It stars 
John Malkovich as Blackbeard.  I'm usually not into this genre be 
decided to give it a try watching it on Hulu+.  This may well be a 
series worth watching especially since the protagonist, Tom Lowe - a 
British doctor, has been employed by the British to find Blackbeard and 
assassinate him before he learns the secrets of a navigation device 
built to foil him and his pirate ships.  But along the way our 
protagonist learns there might be something more to Blackbread and his 
roving crews than first thought.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mindfulness and/versus TM

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Truly a waste of time, except for wankers. All of these medieval meditation 
techniques, like this 'mindfulness', introduced by the delusional, as a panacea 
for modern life. Could it get any weirder??
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 That's right, haven't tried nor am I going to. A Buddhist technique that gives 
headaches to large number of people is not only a waste of time but probably 
harmful. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For the record, my bet is that neither the Jim-bot nor the Nabby-bot have 
*ever* in their lives learned or practiced any form of mindfulness meditation, 

Re: [FairfieldLife] A Little MIU Story

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

What I noticed about the "TM Gestapo" is that they were mediocre people 
who began showing up after the AofE courses who were not a part of the 
"spiritual crowd" of TM'ers.  Perhaps they were jealous and saw that 
their only niche was to play "cop" for the TMO.  Most of us rejected 
them as jokes but if the TMO was going to be their venue perhaps it was 
time to move on.


On 06/01/2014 07:42 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
I was talking to my Kentucky friend Bob the other day. Bob was MIU for 
eight years total, as a student for most of them, but he worked on 
staff from time to time. This is what he told me.


"Yeah I was there during the Robin Carlsen years. I went to see him 
once, just once, out of curiosity really. And it was interesting, but 
he was kinda strange I thought. He was kinda strange. Now one thing, 
he did have some energy, no question about it. He looked directly in 
my eyes and man I felt like he was peering into all the deep dark 
stuff that was in there, you know?


But he was really kinda strange, and from what I could see of his 
stuff, well he was doing exorcisms is what he was really doing with 
people. But anyway I only went that one time, and that was the only 
time I saw him except for the time he came to a Charlie Lutes talk and 
I was there.


But anyway, I went back on campus after the Robin Carlsen thing, and 
went to work the next day like usual, I was working the in press at 
that time and about half way through the day a guy comes in and says 
"Bob, the Ad Council wants to see you."


So I said ok and man, there were a few guys in the press that day, and 
none of 'em would look me straight in the eye, they all had these hang 
dog looks on their faces and would only look at me out of the sides of 
their eyes.


So I followed this guy on over to where they were waiting for me, and 
I walk in the room and there is Bill Rist, Mario Orsati and James 
Beddinger. There was one other guy there too, but I can't remember who 
it was. They sit me down and started in on the interrogation. They 
asked me all kinds of questions about my going to see Robin, but the 
main thing they kept asking me over and over was "Do you believe in him?"


So I told 'em what I knew they wanted to hear, like I thought he was 
flakey and I just went that one time out of curiosity and stuff like 
that. I guess I satisfied them, cause they didn't kick me out, but 
they sure did give me some lectures about how I needed to be careful 
about what I did as a staff or student and I needed to be careful 
about my behavior and my thinking.


And that was the end of it, except that after that every time I saw 
James around campus he would give me these looks, you know, like "I'm 
watching you boy!" kind of looks.


And I swear, you know I am a big and was a big Charlie Lutes fan so 
whenever Charlie would come anywhere close to Fairfield, I would 
always go see him. But after that "meeting" with Bill Rist and Mario 
and James, ever after that when I would come back on campus after 
seeing Charlie, there would come James.


It didn't matter if I was headed to my room or the dining hall or 
student union, or wherever I would be, just a few minutes after 
getting back on campus, James would come walking by. He would just say 
hello, but I knew he was letting me know he knew I had gone to see 
Charlie.


The other thing that happened was from then on any time I applied for 
a course of any kind, WPA or whatever my application was always held 
up and I had to answer questions about going to see Robin Carlsen that 
one time. And that went on while I was staff and student and for years 
after, even when I would apply to go to a WPA in Louisville or 
someplace, they have always asked me about going to see Robin.

Re: [FairfieldLife] A great rap by Patton Oswalt

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Oswalt often shows up playing a very wide variety of characters from a 
complete goof to a diabolical villain.  Seems to be a very busy actor 
these days.


On 06/01/2014 08:15 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
The comedian undertakes something that could do all of us here a lot 
of good:



Summer is upon us, and I've got a bad case of The Spurts.

I've gone down an internet/Twitter/Facebook rabbit hole and I need to 
engineer a summer spent in nothing but humid, skin-to-air reality for 
myself. If I don't, I feel like my psyche is going to suffer permanent 
slippage.


I'm going to try to keep this short. And this isn't going to be a 
diatribe against the Internet or the information age or Twitter or 
anything like that. It's going to be a gentle, winking diatribe 
against myself, and my ego and its appetites.


I was reading some -- not all -- but some of Camus' THE REBEL. At an 
airport, waiting for a flight. And this line hits me like a ton of bricks:


"Tyrants conduct monologues above a million solitudes."

I've become my own tyrant -- Tweeting, and then responding to my own 
responses, and then fighting people who disagree with me. Constantly 
feeling like I have to have an instant take on things, instead of 
taking a breath, and getting as much information as I can about the 
world. Or simply listening to the people around me, and watching the 
world and picking up its hidden rhythms, which crouch underneath the 
micro and the macro. But I've lost sight of them. And it's because of 
this -- there's a portal to a shadow planet in my right hand, the size 
of a deck of cards, and I can't keep myself from peeling off one card 
after another, looking for a rare ace of sensation.


The Spurts: I've aggressively re-wired my own brain to live and die in 
a 140 character jungle. I've let my syntax become nothing more than a 
carnival barker's ramp-up to a click-able link where I'm trying to 
sell something, or promote something, or share something I had no hand 
in making.


So -- I'm engineering a summer. From today, June 1st, until Tuesday, 
September 2nd. Radio silent. No Twitter, no Facebook. There'll be a 
few announcements here and on my Twitter feed -- mostly for shows and 
some movies I'm about to appear in -- but I scheduled these to drop 
weeks and months from now, without me having to do them on the day. 
The chairs are up on the tables, the floor's been swept, and I'm 
locking up my tiny, personal online nightclub until the leaves turn 
brown. If Chili John's in Burbank can thrive while still closing for 
the summer, I ought to do just fine.


I want to de-atrophy the muscles I once had. The ones I used to charge 
through books, sprint through films, amble pleasantly through a new 
music album or a human conversation. I've lost them -- willingly, mind 
you. My fault. Got addicted to the empty endorphins of being online.


So I need to dry out, and remind myself of the deeper tides I used to 
be able to swim in -- in pages, and celluloid, and sounds, and people.


Another writer I read some of, before nervously refreshing my Twitter 
"@" mentions or updating my e-mail Inbox, was Garret Keizer. An essay 
in Harper's from 2010. Luckily, Keizer writes the kind of sentences 
that, even in the all-night casino floor of a world we live in now, 
can punch through the din like God's gun. The line that stuck with me 
was this:


"For fear of becoming dinosaurs we are turned into sheep."

I don't want to be either. But whatever options are left? They're on 
the other side of the silence bath I'm about to take.


Have a good, safe, fun summer. It's upon us. Stay cool when it comes down.

[FairfieldLife] Not your usual pirate

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

"Hannibal" finished it's second season a week ago so Friday night NBC 
launched "Crossbones", a series based on the pirate Blackbeard. It stars 
John Malkovich as Blackbeard.  I'm usually not into this genre be 
decided to give it a try watching it on Hulu+.  This may well be a 
series worth watching especially since the protagonist, Tom Lowe - a 
British doctor, has been employed by the British to find Blackbeard and 
assassinate him before he learns the secrets of a navigation device 
built to foil him and his pirate ships.  But along the way our 
protagonist learns there might be something more to Blackbread and his 
roving crews than first thought.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedanta, TM and Vipassana

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Of course I am familiar with the EEG of TM.  In fact I was a subject for 
a study and the University of Washington.  I didn't produce alpha waves 
but theta.  Alpha can be induced by just simple breathing techniques.  
Theta and delta are more indicative of advanced meditation states.


Have you ever been a subject in an EEG study?  Do you have your own 
personal EEG device?  You know  they are inexpensive?  Perhaps I should 
get one and do studies of a wider range of meditation techniques which 
the TMO won't do.


On 05/31/2014 08:27 PM, lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] wrote:


You're familiar with the EEG of TM and other practices?


And I'm not making stuff up, though I understand why you might want to 
believe so.



L


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Sorry Lawson, but I put in years of study about this with very real 
teachers plus I also learned to teach TM.  You did not and are just 
making shit up. I understand you want the "home team to win" but this 
ain't a ballgame.


On 05/31/2014 02:18 PM, LEnglish5@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:


You are assuming that it is only the mantra that is different about TM.


You are also assuming that, without looking at the EEG, that all 
practices that use the "proper" mantra work the same.


Neither assumption may be correct.


The research I am referring to was done on:

13 Tibetan Buddhists, 15 QiGong, 14 Sahaja Yoga, 14 Ananda Marga 
Yoga, 15 Zen practitioners. All of them showed the same general pattern:



http://www.amaye.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/med-connectivity-EEG-tomog.pdf



The globally reduced functional interdependence between brain regions 
in meditation suggests that interaction between the self process 
functions is minimized, and that constraints on the self process by 
other processes are minimized, thereby leading to the subjective 
experience of non-involvement, detachment and letting go, as well as 
of all-oneness and dissolution of ego borders during meditation.





I haven't seen the research they have been doing on TM, but I am 
assuming, from the enthusiasm that Fred Travis has revealed when 
referring to it, that they are finding that TM has a different effect 
than any of the above practices on the same measure.



L



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 wrote :


On 05/31/2014 10:48 AM, LEnglish5@...  
[FairfieldLife] wrote:



The thing is, Vipassana and virtually other practice besides TM,
affects the brain in a different way than TM.



No true at all.  There are lots of other meditation programs that
use beej mantras (at teach at a fraction of the price of  TM). 
They will get similar or better results than TM often because the

beej mantra selected actually suits the individual better than
the TM method.

Here's apparently your theme song. :-D
http://youtu.be/1k8craCGpgs

And if they teach TM in India according to the student's personal
deity what do when it's Shiva?

Re: [FairfieldLife] A Little MIU Story

[authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

FWIW, Robin wasn't just some harmless saint folks went to see to soak up a 
little darshan. He was perceived by the MIU leaders to be a real threat, 
especially to group TM-Sidhis practice; he had dreamed up some new 
"sutras"--focusing on himself, I believe--that he wanted his followers to use. 
(Ann, is that correct?) He was perhaps even more of a threat because he was 
totally committed to Maharishi, insisting that MIU had taken a wrong turn and 
was destroying the value of Maharishi's teaching. 

 If anyone is interested, in the FFL Files section, under "Miscellaneous 
Writings," is a file called "RWC ledger 83.pdf," which is the reproduction of 
an ad Robin had placed in the Ledger when he was there in 1983 explaining his 
position.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 That's pretty much it. Nice story, and well-told. Put that in your pipe and 
smoke it, you who claim that TM is not a cult.
 

 As a former State Coordinator, I can tell you that I was instructed to 
similarly "keep an eye on" TM teachers in the Oregon-Washington area. I can 
also tell you that I failed miserably in my duties, and never said shit to 
anyone back at National.  :-)

 

 From: "Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Sunday, June 1, 2014 4:42 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] A Little MIU Story
 
 
   
 I was talking to my Kentucky friend Bob the other day. Bob was MIU for eight 
years total, as a student for most of them, but he worked on staff from time to 
time. This is what he told me.
 

 "Yeah I was there during the Robin Carlsen years. I went to see him once, just 
once, out of curiosity really. And it was interesting, but he was kinda strange 
I thought. He was kinda strange. Now one thing, he did have some energy, no 
question about it. He looked directly in my eyes and man I felt like he was 
peering into all the deep dark stuff that was in there, you know?
 

 But he was really kinda strange, and from what I could see of his stuff, well 
he was doing exorcisms is what he was really doing with people. But anyway I 
only went that one time, and that was the only time I saw him except for the 
time he came to a Charlie Lutes talk and I was there.
 

 But anyway, I went back on campus after the Robin Carlsen thing, and went to 
work the next day like usual, I was working the in press at that time and about 
half way through the day a guy comes in and says "Bob, the Ad Council wants to 
see you."
 

 So I said ok and man, there were a few guys in the press that day, and none of 
'em would look me straight in the eye, they all had these hang dog looks on 
their faces and would only look at me out of the sides of their eyes.
 

 So I followed this guy on over to where they were waiting for me, and I walk 
in the room and there is Bill Rist, Mario Orsati and James Beddinger. There was 
one other guy there too, but I can't remember who it was. They sit me down and 
started in on the interrogation. They asked me all kinds of questions about my 
going to see Robin, but the main thing they kept asking me over and over was 
"Do you believe in him?"
 

 So I told 'em what I knew they wanted to hear, like I thought he was flakey 
and I just went that one time out of curiosity and stuff like that. I guess I 
satisfied them, cause they didn't kick me out, but they sure did give me some 
lectures about how I needed to be careful about what I did as a staff or 
student and I needed to be careful about my behavior and my thinking.
 

 And that was the end of it, except that after that every time I saw James 
around campus he would give me these looks, you know, like "I'm watching you 
boy!" kind of looks.
 

 And I swear, you know I am a big and was a big Charlie Lutes fan so whenever 
Charlie would come anywhere close to Fairfield, I would always go see him. But 
after that "meeting" with Bill Rist and Mario and James, ever after that when I 
would come back on campus after seeing Charlie, there would come James. 

 

 It didn't matter if I was headed to my room or the dining hall or student 
union, or wherever I would be, just a few minutes after getting back on campus, 
James would come walking by. He would just say hello, but I knew he was letting 
me know he knew I had gone to see Charlie.
 

 The other thing that happened was from then on any time I applied for a course 
of any kind, WPA or whatever my application was always held up and I had to 
answer questions about going to see Robin Carlsen that one time. And that went 
on while I was staff and student and for years after, even when I would apply 
to go to a WPA in Louisville or someplace, they have always asked me about 
going to see Robin.

 



 


 










   

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 That's pretty much it. Nice story, and well-told. Put that in your pipe and 
smoke it, you who claim that TM is not a cult.
 

 As a former State Coordinator, I can tell you that I was instructed

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

[salyavin808]

How to tell if you're in a cult #75 

 Seems rather fragile this invincibility, eh?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 I was talking to my Kentucky friend Bob the other day. Bob was MIU for eight 
years total, as a student for most of them, but he worked on staff from time to 
time. This is what he told me.
 

 "Yeah I was there during the Robin Carlsen years. I went to see him once, just 
once, out of curiosity really. And it was interesting, but he was kinda strange 
I thought. He was kinda strange. Now one thing, he did have some energy, no 
question about it. He looked directly in my eyes and man I felt like he was 
peering into all the deep dark stuff that was in there, you know?
 

 But he was really kinda strange, and from what I could see of his stuff, well 
he was doing exorcisms is what he was really doing with people. But anyway I 
only went that one time, and that was the only time I saw him except for the 
time he came to a Charlie Lutes talk and I was there.
 

 But anyway, I went back on campus after the Robin Carlsen thing, and went to 
work the next day like usual, I was working the in press at that time and about 
half way through the day a guy comes in and says "Bob, the Ad Council wants to 
see you."
 

 So I said ok and man, there were a few guys in the press that day, and none of 
'em would look me straight in the eye, they all had these hang dog looks on 
their faces and would only look at me out of the sides of their eyes.
 

 So I followed this guy on over to where they were waiting for me, and I walk 
in the room and there is Bill Rist, Mario Orsati and James Beddinger. There was 
one other guy there too, but I can't remember who it was. They sit me down and 
started in on the interrogation. They asked me all kinds of questions about my 
going to see Robin, but the main thing they kept asking me over and over was 
"Do you believe in him?"
 

 So I told 'em what I knew they wanted to hear, like I thought he was flakey 
and I just went that one time out of curiosity and stuff like that. I guess I 
satisfied them, cause they didn't kick me out, but they sure did give me some 
lectures about how I needed to be careful about what I did as a staff or 
student and I needed to be careful about my behavior and my thinking.
 

 And that was the end of it, except that after that every time I saw James 
around campus he would give me these looks, you know, like "I'm watching you 
boy!" kind of looks.
 

 And I swear, you know I am a big and was a big Charlie Lutes fan so whenever 
Charlie would come anywhere close to Fairfield, I would always go see him. But 
after that "meeting" with Bill Rist and Mario and James, ever after that when I 
would come back on campus after seeing Charlie, there would come James. 

 

 It didn't matter if I was headed to my room or the dining hall or student 
union, or wherever I would be, just a few minutes after getting back on campus, 
James would come walking by. He would just say hello, but I knew he was letting 
me know he knew I had gone to see Charlie.
 

 The other thing that happened was from then on any time I applied for a course 
of any kind, WPA or whatever my application was always held up and I had to 
answer questions about going to see Robin Carlsen that one time. And that went 
on while I was staff and student and for years after, even when I would apply 
to go to a WPA in Louisville or someplace, they have always asked me about 
going to see Robin.

 

[FairfieldLife] A great rap by Patton Oswalt

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

The comedian undertakes something that could do all of us here a lot of good:


Summer is upon us, and I've got a bad case of The Spurts.

I've gone down an internet/Twitter/Facebook rabbit hole and I need to engineer 
a summer spent in nothing but humid, skin-to-air reality for myself.  If I 
don't, I feel like my psyche is going to suffer permanent slippage.


I'm going to try to keep this short.  And this isn't going to be a 
diatribe against the Internet or the information age or Twitter or 
anything like that. It's going to be a gentle, winking diatribe against 
myself, and my ego and its appetites.

I was reading some -- not 
all -- but some of Camus' THE REBEL. At an airport, waiting for a 
flight. And this line hits me like a ton of bricks:

"Tyrants conduct monologues above a million solitudes."

I've become my own tyrant -- Tweeting, and then responding to my own 
responses, and then fighting people who disagree with me. Constantly 
feeling like I have to have an instant take on things, instead of taking a 
breath, and getting as much information as I can about the world. Or 
simply listening to the people around me, and watching the world and 
picking up its hidden rhythms, which crouch underneath the micro and the macro. 
But I've lost sight of them. And it's because of this -- there's a portal to a 
shadow planet in my right hand, the size of a deck of 
cards, and I can't keep myself from peeling off one card after another, 
looking for a rare ace of sensation.

The Spurts: I've 
aggressively re-wired my own brain to live and die in a 140 character 
jungle. I've let my syntax become nothing more than a carnival barker's 
ramp-up to a click-able link where I'm trying to sell something, or 
promote something, or share something I had no hand in making. 

So -- I'm engineering a summer. From today, June 1st, until Tuesday, 
September 2nd. Radio silent. No Twitter, no Facebook. There'll be a few 
announcements here and on my Twitter feed -- mostly for shows and some 
movies I'm about to appear in -- but I scheduled these to drop weeks and months 
from now, without me having to do them on the day. The chairs 
are up on the tables, the floor's been swept, and I'm locking up my 
tiny, personal online nightclub until the leaves turn brown. If Chili 
John's in Burbank can thrive while still closing for the summer, I ought to do 
just fine.

I want to de-atrophy the muscles I once had.  
The ones I used to charge through books, sprint through films, amble 
pleasantly through a new music album or a human conversation. I've lost 
them -- willingly, mind you. My fault. Got addicted to the empty 
endorphins of being online. 

So I need to dry out, and remind 
myself of the deeper tides I used to be able to swim in -- in pages, and 
celluloid, and sounds, and people.

Another writer I read some 
of, before nervously refreshing my Twitter "@" mentions or updating my 
e-mail Inbox, was Garret Keizer. An essay in Harper's from 2010. 
Luckily, Keizer writes the kind of sentences that, even in the all-night casino 
floor of a world we live in now, can punch through the din like 
God's gun. The line that stuck with me was this:

"For fear of becoming dinosaurs we are turned into sheep."

I don't want to be either. But whatever options are left? They're on the other 
side of the silence bath I'm about to take. 

Have a good, safe, fun summer. It's upon us. Stay cool when it comes down.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mindfulness and/versus TM

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 6/1/2014 8:38 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
For the record, my bet is that neither the Jim-bot nor the Nabby-bot 
have *ever* in their lives learned or practiced any form of 
mindfulness meditation, as taught by a reputable teacher.  Neither of 
them, in fact, seems even capable of distinguishing mindfulness from 
forms of "concentration" meditation that they heard described by 
Maharishi and his parrot TM teachers as potentially causing headaches. 

>
As a matter of fact, you didn't specify what training you've had and 
under what teacher. Go figure.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] A Little MIU Story

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

That's pretty much it. Nice story, and well-told. Put that in your pipe and 
smoke it, you who claim that TM is not a cult.

As a former State Coordinator, I can tell you that I was instructed to 
similarly "keep an eye on" TM teachers in the Oregon-Washington area. I can 
also tell you that I failed miserably in my duties, and never said shit to 
anyone back at National.  :-)




 From: "Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Sunday, June 1, 2014 4:42 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] A Little MIU Story
 


  
I was talking to my Kentucky friend Bob the other day. Bob
was MIU for eight years total, as a student for most of them, but he worked on 
staff
from time to time. This is what he told me.

"Yeah I was there during the Robin Carlsen years. I
went to see him once, just once, out of curiosity really. And it was
interesting, but he was kinda strange I thought. He was kinda strange. Now one
thing, he did have some energy, no question about it. He looked directly in my
eyes and man I felt like he was peering into all the deep dark stuff that was
in there, you know?

But he was really kinda strange, and from what I could see
of his stuff, well he was doing exorcisms is what he was really doing with
people. But anyway I only went that one time, and that was the only time I saw
him except for the time he came to a Charlie Lutes talk and I was there. 

But anyway, I went back on campus after the Robin Carlsen
thing, and went to work the next day like usual, I was working the in press at
that time and about half way through the day a guy comes in and says "Bob,
the Ad Council wants to see you."

So I said ok and man, there were a few guys in the press
that day, and none of 'em would look me straight in the eye, they all had these
hang dog looks on their faces and would only look at me out of the sides of
their eyes. 

So I followed this guy on over to where they were waiting
for me, and I walk in the room and there is Bill Rist, Mario Orsati and James
Beddinger. There was one other guy there too, but I can't remember who it was. 
They
sit me down and started in on the interrogation. They asked me all kinds of
questions about my going to see Robin, but the main thing they kept asking me
over and over was "Do you believe in him?"

So I told 'em what I knew they wanted to hear, like I
thought he was flakey and I just went that one time out of curiosity and stuff
like that. I guess I satisfied them, cause they didn't kick me out, but they
sure did give me some lectures about how I needed to be careful about what I
did as a staff or student and I needed to be careful about my behavior and my
thinking. 

And that was the end of it, except that after that every
time I saw James around campus he would give me these looks, you know, like
"I'm watching you boy!" kind of looks.

And I swear, you know I am a big and was a big Charlie Lutes
fan so whenever Charlie would come anywhere close to Fairfield, I would always
go see him. But after that "meeting" with Bill Rist and Mario and
James, ever after that when I would come back on campus after seeing Charlie,
there would come James. 


It didn't matter if I was headed to my room or the
dining hall or student union, or wherever I would be, just a few minutes after
getting back on campus, James would come walking by. He would just say hello,
but I knew he was letting me know he knew I had gone to see Charlie.

The other thing that happened was from then on any time I
applied for a course of any kind, WPA or whatever my application was always
held up and I had to answer questions about going to see Robin Carlsen that one
time. And that went on while I was staff and student and for years after, even
when I would apply to go to a WPA in Louisville or someplace, they have always
asked me about going to see Robin.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mindfulness and/versus TM

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 6/1/2014 6:17 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
And suicides and attempted suicides and various psychotic episodes 
associated with TM - I'll take mindfulness any day.

>
There is no evidence that basic TM practice is the cause of any 
attempted suicides or psychotic episodes. If there was any evidence you 
could post it here so we could read it for ourselves. What you maybe 
need to be doing is being /mindful of what you post to the group/ - we 
don't take kindly to people posting unsubstantiated rumors and theories 
that have no evidence to support them.


So far as I know, there's been no double-blind, scientific studies that 
report any adverse effects from sitting around with your eyes closed and 
thinking about stuff for a few minutes a day. Are you sure it's TM that 
you were practicing, or was it some stoned-out day dreaming fantasy you 
were play-acting in your mind? At any rate, you don't seem very 
believable or even very mindful when you post nonsense not backed up by 
any facts. Go figure.


Maybe you could explain to us /exactly/ what it was that you were 
thinking when you used to meditate. Thanks.



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[FairfieldLife] Why white belt should be the highest rank in martial arts

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

For those of you who never studied martial arts, a white belt is the rank you 
are given as a beginner. The rankings then progress after six months or so 
through a variety of gaudy colors to give the newbies a sense of progress, and 
then to the first real ranking, brown belt. That qualifies you as a "beginner 
with good intentions," and in a reputable karate dojo takes 1-2 years to 
achieve. Put in another 2 years of dues in the same reputable dojo, and you 
might finally make black belt, which designates you as "still a beginner but 
one who can finally be taken seriously." Only the higher black belt rankings -- 
especially above fifth degree -- can ever *really* be taken seriously, and they 
often require a lifetime of effort. 

Back in the Rama trip, we all studied martial arts. People could pick their 
discipline -- karate, judo, aikido, tae kwon do, tai chi, jiu-jitsu, whatever 
-- but you had to be in the dojo several times a week. Rama felt that it was 
good for improving our meditation by making us more fit, but also good for our 
careers by teaching us how to deal with competition. 

Interestingly enough, our equal emphasis on career led to a really funny 
(although you may have "had to have been there" to get it fully) one-liner I 
heard from a female Rama student towards the end of my time in that trip. We 
had managed to avoid each other for over a decade, but ran into each other at 
Grand Central one day after work and, having missed our train, decided to have 
a drink and a snack in the famous Oyster Bar. When the inevitable subject of 
"Where do you study martial arts?" came up, she laughed and said, "A new place. 
I've got a white belt in nine different styles of karate." 

I laughed so hard I may have spit my margarita on her, because I understood. We 
moved so often that it was difficult to advance in belt ranks, simply because 
we moved so much. And in most of the karate dojos, if you came from another 
school -- even if you had attained a brown belt or a black belt there -- you 
were immediately assigned the rank of white belt. 

I always thought that this was a *wonderful* tradition. It weeded out the 
narcissists and the egomaniacs, who would never allow themselves to be seen in 
a lowly white belt again, as if they were mere beginners. For those who had no 
problem with this, like my new friend and I, we had been white belts a LOT, and 
knew how valuable it was. As a white belt, you unconsciously take on Beginner's 
Mind again. You don't assume that you "know everything" already, and as a 
result can actually *learn* from the new teacher. Being willing to put on a 
white belt again -- even after in my case over a dozen years studying karate -- 
was IMO simultaneously an indicator of humility and an indicator of having an 
open mind, being willing to learn something new. 

Which is why I have less respect for many long-term TMers than they sometimes 
believe I should have. *Especially* if they've been at some point a TM teacher, 
remarkably few of them I've encountered have ever had the humility to put on a 
white belt and Beginner's Mind and learn another technique of meditation. And 
by learn, I mean *take a class*, and learn from someone who has been trained 
how to teach that technique, not "read a book." 

There have been a few long-term TMers I have met on this forum who have done 
this, and I admire them. Who I don't admire as much are the others who have 
never -- and who in fact would never consider -- donning a white belt again and 
learning another technique of meditation. They've become so convinced by 
Maharishi's ego-pandering that they're "black belts in meditation" that they 
don't feel that they could possibly have anything to learn from another 
meditation teacher or tradition. These types of TMers -- who are fortunately 
becoming fewer as the TM movement falls apart -- IMO couldn't achieve 
Beginner's Mind again on a bet. 

I think that's sad, "achieving" a state in which one believes that one really 
doesn't have anything more to learn. I'd prefer to hang with the white belts 
any day, because they're willing to learn more, and *build upon* the things 
they've already learned. The lady I had drinks with in New York -- who had two 
black belts to her credit when she spoke her one-liner to me -- is now a 
fifth-degree black belt, working on her sixth. To paraphrase the I Ching, 
"Perseverance -- and humility -- furthers." 

[FairfieldLife] A Little MIU Story

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I was talking to my Kentucky friend Bob the other day. Bob
was MIU for eight years total, as a student for most of them, but he worked on 
staff
from time to time. This is what he told me.

"Yeah I was there during the Robin Carlsen years. I
went to see him once, just once, out of curiosity really. And it was
interesting, but he was kinda strange I thought. He was kinda strange. Now one
thing, he did have some energy, no question about it. He looked directly in my
eyes and man I felt like he was peering into all the deep dark stuff that was
in there, you know?

But he was really kinda strange, and from what I could see
of his stuff, well he was doing exorcisms is what he was really doing with
people. But anyway I only went that one time, and that was the only time I saw
him except for the time he came to a Charlie Lutes talk and I was there. 

But anyway, I went back on campus after the Robin Carlsen
thing, and went to work the next day like usual, I was working the in press at
that time and about half way through the day a guy comes in and says "Bob,
the Ad Council wants to see you."

So I said ok and man, there were a few guys in the press
that day, and none of 'em would look me straight in the eye, they all had these
hang dog looks on their faces and would only look at me out of the sides of
their eyes. 

So I followed this guy on over to where they were waiting
for me, and I walk in the room and there is Bill Rist, Mario Orsati and James
Beddinger. There was one other guy there too, but I can't remember who it was. 
They
sit me down and started in on the interrogation. They asked me all kinds of
questions about my going to see Robin, but the main thing they kept asking me
over and over was "Do you believe in him?"

So I told 'em what I knew they wanted to hear, like I
thought he was flakey and I just went that one time out of curiosity and stuff
like that. I guess I satisfied them, cause they didn't kick me out, but they
sure did give me some lectures about how I needed to be careful about what I
did as a staff or student and I needed to be careful about my behavior and my
thinking. 

And that was the end of it, except that after that every
time I saw James around campus he would give me these looks, you know, like
"I'm watching you boy!" kind of looks.

And I swear, you know I am a big and was a big Charlie Lutes
fan so whenever Charlie would come anywhere close to Fairfield, I would always
go see him. But after that "meeting" with Bill Rist and Mario and
James, ever after that when I would come back on campus after seeing Charlie,
there would come James. 


It didn't matter if I was headed to my room or the
dining hall or student union, or wherever I would be, just a few minutes after
getting back on campus, James would come walking by. He would just say hello,
but I knew he was letting me know he knew I had gone to see Charlie.

The other thing that happened was from then on any time I
applied for a course of any kind, WPA or whatever my application was always
held up and I had to answer questions about going to see Robin Carlsen that one
time. And that went on while I was staff and student and for years after, even
when I would apply to go to a WPA in Louisville or someplace, they have always
asked me about going to see Robin.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Now Playing

[Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

In a Gadda Da Vida - Iron Butterfly
http://youtu.be/ZCkHanF4v1w


On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 7:54 PM, Pundit Sir  wrote:

> Simply Irresistible - Robert Palmer - Live extended mix
> http://youtu.be/ou9zoChYBQs
>
> 33 1/3 vinyl LP,
> Technics SL-1200 MK2 Direct Drive Quartz Turntable System
>
>
> On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 7:27 PM, Pundit Sir  wrote:
>
>> On the Road Again - Willie Nelson
>> http://youtu.be/1TD_pSeNelU
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Pundit Sir  wrote:
>>
>>> Bo Diddley
>>>
>>> "If you ask me I'd say that there is nothing, just absolutely nothing,
>>> that you can do in your whole entire lifetime that will top the level of
>>> cool that Bo Diddley hit in this performance back in 1965." - Jason McHenry
>>>
>>> Bo Diddley- Live Performance
>>> http://youtu.be/IMZjAOoX6nw
>>>
>>> Bo Diddley - 1955 45 RPM recording
>>> http://youtu.be/8XxGUIbYjmY
>>>
>>> You Can't Judge a Book by the Cover
>>> http://youtu.be/Lch0o4wwGyw
>>>
>>> One of the founders, if not the founder of rock 'n roll, Bo Diddley
>>> invented the rock signature beat, a simple five-accent clave driving
>>> rhythm. Hard edge electric guitar - one of the corner stones of rock. In
>>> 2004, Rolling Stone ranked him No. 20 on their list of the 100 Greatest
>>> Artists of All Time.
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bo_Diddley
>>>
>>
>>
>