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[dlgegg]

The doctor said she felt the one kidney was enlarged and firm.  She got so 
stressed from the bloodwork that she was given oxygen for 5 minutes.  They also 
gave her fluids and I brought a bag home to give her more every 3 days.  By the 
time I got home, she had perked up and ate a small can of food.  She seemed 
normal until the moment of death when she howled in pain and collapsed in my 
lap.  Apparently the kidney problem had been going on longer than we knew and 
of coure, she did not act diffrent until the day she stopped eating and that is 
the day I took her to the vet.  She had been loosing weight over the last year 
and we started her on kitten food to increase weight.  I am afraid I missed 
something.  The next time there is any weight loss, we will do a full workup 
and a more detailed blood work.  And check the kidneys.  With th beginning of 
seeing Annie, the vet began to do research on FELV and has learned that any 
abnormality in kidney size, shape and firmness and blood results is a sure sign 
of FELV at work.  She said any thing that says kidney malfunction will be a 
sign that we concentrate on testing to find out what is going on.  She had 
ordered the Doxy and is willing to do Winstrol and has a pharamist nearby who 
will compound anything we need.  That is one step in the right direction.
Annie died at 8:00 pm the night we went to the vet but at least she was at 
home, in my lap and had a few hours of feeling better.

 ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote: 
> I'm a little confused at this point there are many condolence notes 
here but thte last that I read Annie wasn't doing well but her blood 
work did not suggest that she was likely to pass in the next few days..
Has there been any change??   If she did die I am of course VERY sorry.. 
but I am hoping not...
Please let us know...

BOb


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I'm a little confused at this point there are many condolence notes 
here but thte last that I read Annie wasn't doing well but her blood 
work did not suggest that she was likely to pass in the next few days..
Has there been any change??   If she did die I am of course VERY sorry.. 
but I am hoping not...

Please let us know...

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[Rachel Dagner]

You could add an immunosupportive supplement to his food. There are so many
out there and I am not an expert on any of them unfortunately, and it
doesn’t sound like your vet is either. You could try calling or e-mailing
an integrative vet to see what brands they think are best, if you wanted to
add this. It may or may not make a difference in the outcome, who knows,
but it wouldn’t hurt and I would do it if I had it to do over again, the
only reason I didn’t is because I was scared to death of any mineral or
ingredient that might cause the slightest uti or crystals in Tucker, who
another unremovable blockage would have meant death for, I gave him
prescription cat food and distilled water and nothing else, until the
cancer when it was too late for it to do much good. I also think you should
have him tested, you are going to worry yourself either way, and what if
there isn’t anything to worry about? I had a girlfriend worry her whole
life about breast cancer because her mom and grandma died in their early
forties from it. Finally when she turned 41 she came up with the courage to
get a mammogram and the genetic testing, and guess what? No cancer no gene.
She was too scared to look into it sooner so she could possibly catch it
early or to take preventative measures, she is very lucky it turned out
like it did.



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*Mary Muzyka
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*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)



Thanks for all your comments.  My invoice from the vet indicates that they
tested her for FIV FHWT (570), viral infection/head worm disease & for GI
parasites, analyses full & internal organ health.  They did prescribe
Onsior 6mg - 3 tablets, which I gave her half a tablet every couple of days
to stimulate her appetite.  When I returned for the second visit, they gave
her mirtazapine 15 mg, fluids, subcutaneous - 300mls, cerenia injection
(10mg/ml), famotidine injection and Loxicom (Meloxicam) injectable.  I
don't see the sense in testing Dolce since when Fiona was tested, she
tested negative.  He is an indoor cat who is well fed so I don't know what
more I can do for his immune system other than keeping everything clean -
food bowls & litter box.



On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Mary Muzyka <mary.muz...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello,



I've been following everyone's comments, which have been very informative.
I recently lost my 3 year old girl, Fiona, to feline leukemia.  She was
gone within two weeks.  She went from a very active and healthy girl to
barely walking and shaking in a two week period.  I first noticed that she
wasn't jumping on my bed or anything else for that matter.  I took her to
the vet and they did blood work and called me within an hour of leaving
their office telling me she tested positive.  They then sent her blood out
for other various tests and the results were all good for her not having
any other problems.  Each day she got a little less active and then stopped
eating and drinking.  I used a syringe to feed and give her water for a
couple days and then took her back to the vet.  She injected fluids under
her skin and when I got home, she began eating and drinking immediately.
They also gave me a couple pills to give her to stimulate her appetite -
they only worked once.  She was shutting down and looked so sad.  The
morning she could barely walk and was shaking told me it was time to put
her down.  It broke my heart.  I rescued her from the streets and when I
had her fixed at one year old, they tested for HIV & leukemia and she was
negative.  She has been living with my four year old boy, Dolce, for
two years sharing food bowls and litter boxes.  My vet tells me there is a
99% chance that Dolce was infected.  He is in perfect health right
now.  The vet basically said she wouldn't bother testing him because she is
certain he would have it.  From what I've been reading from the posts here,
there is a change he might not be infected.  They used to run and play
together, but never did I see her bight him.  I want to add that since
I rescued her, she never was outside again.  From what I've been reading,
no one has lost a cat this quickly to the disease.  Makes me think she had
something else.  I don't have much faith in vets from my experience over
the years.  I'd be interested in your thoughts.



Mary Muzyka


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[Mary Muzyka]

Thanks for all your comments.  My invoice from the vet indicates that they
tested her for FIV FHWT (570), viral infection/head worm disease & for GI
parasites, analyses full & internal organ health.  They did prescribe
Onsior 6mg - 3 tablets, which I gave her half a tablet every couple of days
to stimulate her appetite.  When I returned for the second visit, they gave
her mirtazapine 15 mg, fluids, subcutaneous - 300mls, cerenia injection
(10mg/ml), famotidine injection and Loxicom (Meloxicam) injectable.  I
don't see the sense in testing Dolce since when Fiona was tested, she
tested negative.  He is an indoor cat who is well fed so I don't know what
more I can do for his immune system other than keeping everything clean -
food bowls & litter box.

On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Mary Muzyka  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I've been following everyone's comments, which have been very
> informative.  I recently lost my 3 year old girl, Fiona, to feline
> leukemia.  She was gone within two weeks.  She went from a very active and
> healthy girl to barely walking and shaking in a two week period.  I first
> noticed that she wasn't jumping on my bed or anything else for that
> matter.  I took her to the vet and they did blood work and called me within
> an hour of leaving their office telling me she tested positive.  They then
> sent her blood out for other various tests and the results were all good
> for her not having any other problems.  Each day she got a little less
> active and then stopped eating and drinking.  I used a syringe to feed
> and give her water for a couple days and then took her back to the vet.
> She injected fluids under her skin and when I got home, she began eating
> and drinking immediately.  They also gave me a couple pills to give her
> to stimulate her appetite - they only worked once.  She was shutting down
> and looked so sad.  The morning she could barely walk and was shaking told
> me it was time to put her down.  It broke my heart.  I rescued her from the
> streets and when I had her fixed at one year old, they tested for HIV &
> leukemia and she was negative.  She has been living with my four year old
> boy, Dolce, for two years sharing food bowls and litter boxes.  My vet
> tells me there is a 99% chance that Dolce was infected.  He is in perfect
> health right now.  The vet basically said she wouldn't bother testing him
> because she is certain he would have it.  From what I've been reading from
> the posts here, there is a change he might not be infected.  They used to
> run and play together, but never did I see her bight him.  I want to add
> that since I rescued her, she never was outside again.  From what I've been
> reading, no one has lost a cat this quickly to the disease.  Makes me think
> she had something else.  I don't have much faith in vets from my experience
> over the years.  I'd be interested in your thoughts.
>
> Mary Muzyka
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[Kelley S]

Yes, but anemia is a condition  It isn't necessarily caused by FELV.  I've
had cats with anemia who didn't have FELV, and if her kitty had FELV the
bloodwork would not have come back right, unless her kitty wasn't tested
for anemia, but anemia is one of the things all my vets have always checked
on with bloodwork.   I guess anemia isn't an infection, and neither is
cancer, so I completely misstated that, but I still believe cats don't die
OF FELV, they die of something else.  As for the other kitty being pos, I
just remembered that even cats who have tested pos and been housed with
other pos cats can turn neg, it happens every once in a while.  So
definitely not good to assume the other kitty is pos.

On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 4:12 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
wrote:

> Kelley
>
>
>
> I don’t think that is necessarily accurate. When FeLV acts to shut down
> the bone marrow, the cats usually die from severe anemia and/or internal
> bleeding (very low platelets) etc. While I agree that the depression of
> white cell production may allow for the introduction of opportunistic
> infections, I don’t think that is necessarily the cause of death. With my
> Zander, he wasn’t suffering from anything other than a profound lack of red
> cells that meant that (a) his blood couldn’t circulate oxygen properly; (b)
> he felt horrible and wouldn’t eat; (c) he was extremely fatigued by the
> profound anemia.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Kelley S
> *Sent:* June-09-16 5:01 PM
> *To:* felvtalk
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
>
>
>
> I'd look into a different vet, for starters.  Cats don't die of FELV, they
> die of opportunistic infections due to compromised immune systems.  If the
> blood tests were good, what specifically was being treated?  Chances are
> very good Dolce does NOT have FELV.  Many people here mix positive and
> negative, as do I with my vet's approval, although my negative cats are
> vaccinated against FELV.  I think it is just nutty to say not to even test
> him.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 2:48 PM, Mary Muzyka <mary.muz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> I've been following everyone's comments, which have been very
> informative.  I recently lost my 3 year old girl, Fiona, to feline
> leukemia.  She was gone within two weeks.  She went from a very active and
> healthy girl to barely walking and shaking in a two week period.  I first
> noticed that she wasn't jumping on my bed or anything else for that
> matter.  I took her to the vet and they did blood work and called me within
> an hour of leaving their office telling me she tested positive.  They then
> sent her blood out for other various tests and the results were all good
> for her not having any other problems.  Each day she got a little less
> active and then stopped eating and drinking.  I used a syringe to feed
> and give her water for a couple days and then took her back to the vet.
> She injected fluids under her skin and when I got home, she began eating
> and drinking immediately.  They also gave me a couple pills to give her
> to stimulate her appetite - they only worked once.  She was shutting down
> and looked so sad.  The morning she could barely walk and was shaking told
> me it was time to put her down.  It broke my heart.  I rescued her from the
> streets and when I had her fixed at one year old, they tested for HIV &
> leukemia and she was negative.  She has been living with my four year old
> boy, Dolce, for two years sharing food bowls and litter boxes.  My vet
> tells me there is a 99% chance that Dolce was infected.  He is in perfect
> health right now.  The vet basically said she wouldn't bother testing him
> because she is certain he would have it.  From what I've been reading from
> the posts here, there is a change he might not be infected.  They used to
> run and play together, but never did I see her bight him.  I want to add
> that since I rescued her, she never was outside again.  From what I've been
> reading, no one has lost a cat this quickly to the disease.  Makes me think
> she had something else.  I don't have much faith in vets from my experience
> over the years.  I'd be interested in your thoughts.
>
>
>
> Mary Muzyka
>
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[Amani Oakley]

Kelley

I don’t think that is necessarily accurate. When FeLV acts to shut down the 
bone marrow, the cats usually die from severe anemia and/or internal bleeding 
(very low platelets) etc. While I agree that the depression of white cell 
production may allow for the introduction of opportunistic infections, I don’t 
think that is necessarily the cause of death. With my Zander, he wasn’t 
suffering from anything other than a profound lack of red cells that meant that 
(a) his blood couldn’t circulate oxygen properly; (b) he felt horrible and 
wouldn’t eat; (c) he was extremely fatigued by the profound anemia.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley 
S
Sent: June-09-16 5:01 PM
To: felvtalk
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

I'd look into a different vet, for starters.  Cats don't die of FELV, they die 
of opportunistic infections due to compromised immune systems.  If the blood 
tests were good, what specifically was being treated?  Chances are very good 
Dolce does NOT have FELV.  Many people here mix positive and negative, as do I 
with my vet's approval, although my negative cats are vaccinated against FELV.  
I think it is just nutty to say not to even test him.

On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 2:48 PM, Mary Muzyka 
<mary.muz...@gmail.com<mailto:mary.muz...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hello,

I've been following everyone's comments, which have been very informative.  I 
recently lost my 3 year old girl, Fiona, to feline leukemia.  She was gone 
within two weeks.  She went from a very active and healthy girl to barely 
walking and shaking in a two week period.  I first noticed that she wasn't 
jumping on my bed or anything else for that matter.  I took her to the vet and 
they did blood work and called me within an hour of leaving their office 
telling me she tested positive.  They then sent her blood out for other various 
tests and the results were all good for her not having any other problems.  
Each day she got a little less active and then stopped eating and drinking.  I 
used a syringe to feed and give her water for a couple days and then took her 
back to the vet.  She injected fluids under her skin and when I got home, she 
began eating and drinking immediately.  They also gave me a couple pills to 
give her to stimulate her appetite - they only worked once.  She was shutting 
down and looked so sad.  The morning she could barely walk and was shaking told 
me it was time to put her down.  It broke my heart.  I rescued her from the 
streets and when I had her fixed at one year old, they tested for HIV & 
leukemia and she was negative.  She has been living with my four year old boy, 
Dolce, for two years sharing food bowls and litter boxes.  My vet tells me 
there is a 99% chance that Dolce was infected.  He is in perfect health right 
now.  The vet basically said she wouldn't bother testing him because she is 
certain he would have it.  From what I've been reading from the posts here, 
there is a change he might not be infected.  They used to run and play 
together, but never did I see her bight him.  I want to add that since I 
rescued her, she never was outside again.  From what I've been reading, no one 
has lost a cat this quickly to the disease.  Makes me think she had something 
else.  I don't have much faith in vets from my experience over the years.  I'd 
be interested in your thoughts.

Mary Muzyka

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[Kelley S]

I think it is pretty odd to have good bloodwork if they have lymphoma.  I
had a kitty with lymphoma and he had non regenerative anemia and some other
abnormalities but you are right, it isn't necessarily something that would
show up on bloodwork.  The statement that she is 99% sure the other kitty
has it and not to even test is still way out of whack in my opinion.

On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 4:04 PM, Rachel Dagner <rdag...@novahrc.com> wrote:

> Tucker’s blood work showed nothing and he had cancer. So if it was
> Lymphoma that might not have shown anything out of the ordinary on the
> blood work.
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Kelley S
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 09, 2016 5:01 PM
> *To:* felvtalk
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
>
>
>
> I'd look into a different vet, for starters.  Cats don't die of FELV, they
> die of opportunistic infections due to compromised immune systems.  If the
> blood tests were good, what specifically was being treated?  Chances are
> very good Dolce does NOT have FELV.  Many people here mix positive and
> negative, as do I with my vet's approval, although my negative cats are
> vaccinated against FELV.  I think it is just nutty to say not to even test
> him.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 2:48 PM, Mary Muzyka <mary.muz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> I've been following everyone's comments, which have been very
> informative.  I recently lost my 3 year old girl, Fiona, to feline
> leukemia.  She was gone within two weeks.  She went from a very active and
> healthy girl to barely walking and shaking in a two week period.  I first
> noticed that she wasn't jumping on my bed or anything else for that
> matter.  I took her to the vet and they did blood work and called me within
> an hour of leaving their office telling me she tested positive.  They then
> sent her blood out for other various tests and the results were all good
> for her not having any other problems.  Each day she got a little less
> active and then stopped eating and drinking.  I used a syringe to feed
> and give her water for a couple days and then took her back to the vet.
> She injected fluids under her skin and when I got home, she began eating
> and drinking immediately.  They also gave me a couple pills to give her
> to stimulate her appetite - they only worked once.  She was shutting down
> and looked so sad.  The morning she could barely walk and was shaking told
> me it was time to put her down.  It broke my heart.  I rescued her from the
> streets and when I had her fixed at one year old, they tested for HIV &
> leukemia and she was negative.  She has been living with my four year old
> boy, Dolce, for two years sharing food bowls and litter boxes.  My vet
> tells me there is a 99% chance that Dolce was infected.  He is in perfect
> health right now.  The vet basically said she wouldn't bother testing him
> because she is certain he would have it.  From what I've been reading from
> the posts here, there is a change he might not be infected.  They used to
> run and play together, but never did I see her bight him.  I want to add
> that since I rescued her, she never was outside again.  From what I've been
> reading, no one has lost a cat this quickly to the disease.  Makes me think
> she had something else.  I don't have much faith in vets from my experience
> over the years.  I'd be interested in your thoughts.
>
>
>
> Mary Muzyka
>
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[Rachel Dagner]

Tucker’s blood work showed nothing and he had cancer. So if it was Lymphoma
that might not have shown anything out of the ordinary on the blood work.



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
*Kelley S
*Sent:* Thursday, June 09, 2016 5:01 PM
*To:* felvtalk
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)



I'd look into a different vet, for starters.  Cats don't die of FELV, they
die of opportunistic infections due to compromised immune systems.  If the
blood tests were good, what specifically was being treated?  Chances are
very good Dolce does NOT have FELV.  Many people here mix positive and
negative, as do I with my vet's approval, although my negative cats are
vaccinated against FELV.  I think it is just nutty to say not to even test
him.



On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 2:48 PM, Mary Muzyka <mary.muz...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello,



I've been following everyone's comments, which have been very informative.
I recently lost my 3 year old girl, Fiona, to feline leukemia.  She was
gone within two weeks.  She went from a very active and healthy girl to
barely walking and shaking in a two week period.  I first noticed that she
wasn't jumping on my bed or anything else for that matter.  I took her to
the vet and they did blood work and called me within an hour of leaving
their office telling me she tested positive.  They then sent her blood out
for other various tests and the results were all good for her not having
any other problems.  Each day she got a little less active and then stopped
eating and drinking.  I used a syringe to feed and give her water for a
couple days and then took her back to the vet.  She injected fluids under
her skin and when I got home, she began eating and drinking immediately.
They also gave me a couple pills to give her to stimulate her appetite -
they only worked once.  She was shutting down and looked so sad.  The
morning she could barely walk and was shaking told me it was time to put
her down.  It broke my heart.  I rescued her from the streets and when I
had her fixed at one year old, they tested for HIV & leukemia and she was
negative.  She has been living with my four year old boy, Dolce, for
two years sharing food bowls and litter boxes.  My vet tells me there is a
99% chance that Dolce was infected.  He is in perfect health right
now.  The vet basically said she wouldn't bother testing him because she is
certain he would have it.  From what I've been reading from the posts here,
there is a change he might not be infected.  They used to run and play
together, but never did I see her bight him.  I want to add that since
I rescued her, she never was outside again.  From what I've been reading,
no one has lost a cat this quickly to the disease.  Makes me think she had
something else.  I don't have much faith in vets from my experience over
the years.  I'd be interested in your thoughts.



Mary Muzyka


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[Kelley S]

I'd look into a different vet, for starters.  Cats don't die of FELV, they
die of opportunistic infections due to compromised immune systems.  If the
blood tests were good, what specifically was being treated?  Chances are
very good Dolce does NOT have FELV.  Many people here mix positive and
negative, as do I with my vet's approval, although my negative cats are
vaccinated against FELV.  I think it is just nutty to say not to even test
him.

On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 2:48 PM, Mary Muzyka  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I've been following everyone's comments, which have been very
> informative.  I recently lost my 3 year old girl, Fiona, to feline
> leukemia.  She was gone within two weeks.  She went from a very active and
> healthy girl to barely walking and shaking in a two week period.  I first
> noticed that she wasn't jumping on my bed or anything else for that
> matter.  I took her to the vet and they did blood work and called me within
> an hour of leaving their office telling me she tested positive.  They then
> sent her blood out for other various tests and the results were all good
> for her not having any other problems.  Each day she got a little less
> active and then stopped eating and drinking.  I used a syringe to feed
> and give her water for a couple days and then took her back to the vet.
> She injected fluids under her skin and when I got home, she began eating
> and drinking immediately.  They also gave me a couple pills to give her
> to stimulate her appetite - they only worked once.  She was shutting down
> and looked so sad.  The morning she could barely walk and was shaking told
> me it was time to put her down.  It broke my heart.  I rescued her from the
> streets and when I had her fixed at one year old, they tested for HIV &
> leukemia and she was negative.  She has been living with my four year old
> boy, Dolce, for two years sharing food bowls and litter boxes.  My vet
> tells me there is a 99% chance that Dolce was infected.  He is in perfect
> health right now.  The vet basically said she wouldn't bother testing him
> because she is certain he would have it.  From what I've been reading from
> the posts here, there is a change he might not be infected.  They used to
> run and play together, but never did I see her bight him.  I want to add
> that since I rescued her, she never was outside again.  From what I've been
> reading, no one has lost a cat this quickly to the disease.  Makes me think
> she had something else.  I don't have much faith in vets from my experience
> over the years.  I'd be interested in your thoughts.
>
> Mary Muzyka
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[Rachel Dagner]

I would probably get him tested, just so you could maybe do something
preventative for his immune system to keep him strong, and also to
carefully monitor and act at the first sign of an infection so you have a
better chance of fighting it before it gets bad. It sounds like exactly
what happened with my Tucker and he had cancer, loss of appetite, less
active…  His was in his chest though and we knew it because he was
regurgitating his food and we did an x-ray and found the mass. Lymphoma is
very common among young FELV cats and can go to many different places in
the body. I am so very sorry about Fiona, it is so heartbreaking to lose
them so young, and to see them go through such a rapid decline, Tucker
lasted a little over a month and a half but he was on steroids without
those he would have gone just as quickly, it was still a very sad time for
me knowing his time was so limited, and knowing he didn’t feel as good and
wasn’t as happy as he was before. Tucker was about the same age. I am
sending prayers your way that Dolce did not get it. People have had them
living together and their other cats did not get it so there is hope. Also
I think it is better if they come into contact with it when they are older
rather than when they are kittens as their immune systems might be strong
enough to fight it off and eliminate it before it can get into the marrow
and stick around forever.



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
*Mary Muzyka
*Sent:* Thursday, June 09, 2016 3:48 PM
*To:* Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* [Felvtalk] (no subject)



Hello,



I've been following everyone's comments, which have been very informative.
I recently lost my 3 year old girl, Fiona, to feline leukemia.  She was
gone within two weeks.  She went from a very active and healthy girl to
barely walking and shaking in a two week period.  I first noticed that she
wasn't jumping on my bed or anything else for that matter.  I took her to
the vet and they did blood work and called me within an hour of leaving
their office telling me she tested positive.  They then sent her blood out
for other various tests and the results were all good for her not having
any other problems.  Each day she got a little less active and then stopped
eating and drinking.  I used a syringe to feed and give her water for a
couple days and then took her back to the vet.  She injected fluids under
her skin and when I got home, she began eating and drinking immediately.
They also gave me a couple pills to give her to stimulate her appetite -
they only worked once.  She was shutting down and looked so sad.  The
morning she could barely walk and was shaking told me it was time to put
her down.  It broke my heart.  I rescued her from the streets and when I
had her fixed at one year old, they tested for HIV & leukemia and she was
negative.  She has been living with my four year old boy, Dolce, for
two years sharing food bowls and litter boxes.  My vet tells me there is a
99% chance that Dolce was infected.  He is in perfect health right
now.  The vet basically said she wouldn't bother testing him because she is
certain he would have it.  From what I've been reading from the posts here,
there is a change he might not be infected.  They used to run and play
together, but never did I see her bight him.  I want to add that since
I rescued her, she never was outside again.  From what I've been reading,
no one has lost a cat this quickly to the disease.  Makes me think she had
something else.  I don't have much faith in vets from my experience over
the years.  I'd be interested in your thoughts.



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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Mary

If Fiona died from FeLV, I cannot imagine that you would have gotten back good 
blood results, although your email wasn’t clear regarding exactly what tests 
were run. If you provide some more info, along with the results, I might be 
able to give you some feedback. Sure does sound suspicious to blame FeLV, based 
on the info you have provided.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Mary 
Muzyka
Sent: June-09-16 3:48 PM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

Hello,

I've been following everyone's comments, which have been very informative.  I 
recently lost my 3 year old girl, Fiona, to feline leukemia.  She was gone 
within two weeks.  She went from a very active and healthy girl to barely 
walking and shaking in a two week period.  I first noticed that she wasn't 
jumping on my bed or anything else for that matter.  I took her to the vet and 
they did blood work and called me within an hour of leaving their office 
telling me she tested positive.  They then sent her blood out for other various 
tests and the results were all good for her not having any other problems.  
Each day she got a little less active and then stopped eating and drinking.  I 
used a syringe to feed and give her water for a couple days and then took her 
back to the vet.  She injected fluids under her skin and when I got home, she 
began eating and drinking immediately.  They also gave me a couple pills to 
give her to stimulate her appetite - they only worked once.  She was shutting 
down and looked so sad.  The morning she could barely walk and was shaking told 
me it was time to put her down.  It broke my heart.  I rescued her from the 
streets and when I had her fixed at one year old, they tested for HIV & 
leukemia and she was negative.  She has been living with my four year old boy, 
Dolce, for two years sharing food bowls and litter boxes.  My vet tells me 
there is a 99% chance that Dolce was infected.  He is in perfect health right 
now.  The vet basically said she wouldn't bother testing him because she is 
certain he would have it.  From what I've been reading from the posts here, 
there is a change he might not be infected.  They used to run and play 
together, but never did I see her bight him.  I want to add that since I 
rescued her, she never was outside again.  From what I've been reading, no one 
has lost a cat this quickly to the disease.  Makes me think she had something 
else.  I don't have much faith in vets from my experience over the years.  I'd 
be interested in your thoughts.

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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Lorrie]

I am so sorry you lost William, but I was confused by your post.
Are you leaving the FelV group or looking for another FelV cat?

I have a FelV sanctuary and all my positive cats are in good health
now, but of course this could change. I would love it if they could
have a real home. If you are looking for a high needs cat I have
several. Where are you located.

Lorrie 


On 07-01, Patricia Romagna wrote:
Hi,
 
I'm sorry but I will need to leave your discussions.  My cat, William
(as in Shakespeare) ran away last month.  I just hope that he found a
loving family.  When I went away for a week and a half I hired someone
to come to my house just in case he returned home.  I live in a
townhouse community so every house looks the same and he never left the
house before.  I will probably get another high needs cat.  I adopted
William knowing that he had leukemia.  Basically I want to adopt a cat
that no one else wants.  Wishing all of the best to the members of the
group.


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[Beth]

Patricia -

Have you put up flyers around your complex?
I had a cat escape when some workers were working at a condo I used to live at. 
We didn't see him for a week, but still put out food  let all the neighbors 
know. A neighbor spotted him  we found he was living in a crack between 2 
buildings. I had to hire a professional pet rescuer to get him. out. It took 2 
weeks to get him back.
I really had thought I would never see him again, but, my vet told me to keep 
looking. She said cats rarely ever go far.
I hope you find your baby.

Beth


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 From: Patricia Romagna msp...@verizon.net
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, July 1, 2013 8:15 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 


Hi, 
 
I'm sorry but I will need to leave your discussions.  My cat, William (as in 
Shakespeare) ran away last month.  I just hope that he found a loving family.  
When I went away for a week and a half I hired someone to come to my house just 
in case he returned home.  I live in a townhouse community so every house looks 
the same and he never left the house before.  I will probably get another high 
needs cat.  I adopted William knowing that he had leukemia.  Basically I want 
to adopt a cat that no one else wants.  Wishing all of the best to the members 
of the group.
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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Lee Evans]

Losing an FeLv+ cat either by the cat passing away or wandering away is not a 
good reason to leave this list. At the present time I don't have any FeLv+ cats 
living with me although I have a few FIV+ ones. But I have not quit the list 
because new information is always cropping up and it's good to know it for the 
future. Also, these people feel like friends, as well as other issues are 
always discussed that effect cats in general. 


 
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!






 From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2013 8:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 


Patricia -

Have you put up flyers around your complex?
I had a cat escape when some workers were working at a condo I used to live 
at. We didn't see him for a week, but still put out food  let all the 
neighbors know. A neighbor spotted him  we found he was living in a crack 
between 2 buildings. I had to hire a professional pet rescuer to get him. out. 
It took 2 weeks to get him back.
I really had thought I would never see him again, but, my vet told me to keep 
looking. She said cats rarely ever go far.
I hope you find your baby.

Beth



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To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, July 1, 2013 8:15 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 


Hi, 
 
I'm sorry but I will need to leave your discussions.  My cat, William (as in 
Shakespeare) ran away last month.  I just hope that he found a loving family.  
When I went away for a week and a half I hired someone to come to my house 
just in case he returned home.  I live in a townhouse community so every house 
looks the same and he never left the house before.  I will probably get 
another high needs cat.  I adopted William knowing that he had leukemia.  
Basically I want to adopt a cat that no one else wants.  Wishing all of the 
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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[dlgegg]

Shali was gone for 6 weeks and then turned up acting like nothing wrong had 
happened.  Did you put up posters?  Will pray that he returns safe and sound.


 Patricia Romagna msp...@verizon.net wrote: 
 Hi, 
 
I'm sorry but I will need to leave your discussions.  My cat, William (as in 
Shakespeare) ran away last month.  I just hope that he found a loving family.  
When I went away for a week and a half I hired someone to come to my house just 
in case he returned home.  I live in a townhouse community so every house looks 
the same and he never left the house before.  I will probably get another high 
needs cat.  I adopted William knowing that he had leukemia.  Basically I want 
to adopt a cat that no one else wants.  Wishing all of the best to the members 
of the group.


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[Catherine Chang]

My FeLV cat passed away, but I am still here because I always learn a lot
of things from this list, and I know it is also a place where I can seek
help if I get into FeLV situation again.

Patricia, I am sorry about William but have you also checked local
shelters/animal control nearby? Sometimes cat goes away for awhile may beg
food from households again, and ends up being turned to shelters. And I
would urge you to check shelters and animal control even on a daily basis
because sadly many shelters or animal control would euthanize FeLV + cats
without waiting period, except for cats with microchips. If William is
micro-chipped, you may ask your vet to help you find an access to the
microchip database, even if you forget to pay the annual fee

Hope William finds his way home soon,
Catherine



On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 3:40 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

 Shali was gone for 6 weeks and then turned up acting like nothing wrong
 had happened.  Did you put up posters?  Will pray that he returns safe and
 sound.


  Patricia Romagna msp...@verizon.net wrote:
  Hi,

 I'm sorry but I will need to leave your discussions.  My cat, William (as
 in Shakespeare) ran away last month.  I just hope that he found a loving
 family.  When I went away for a week and a half I hired someone to come to
 my house just in case he returned home.  I live in a townhouse community so
 every house looks the same and he never left the house before.  I will
 probably get another high needs cat.  I adopted William knowing that he had
 leukemia.  Basically I want to adopt a cat that no one else wants.  Wishing
 all of the best to the members of the group.


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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Also, just because your condos all look alike, that doesn't mean William
will be confused. He would know your place by the scent of you that's around
it. You could put out a piece of clothing you have worn, maybe even
perspired in, to show him the way home. 

 

Diane R.

 

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Beth
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 8:01 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

Patricia -

Have you put up flyers around your complex?
I had a cat escape when some workers were working at a condo I used to live
at. We didn't see him for a week, but still put out food  let all the
neighbors know. A neighbor spotted him  we found he was living in a crack
between 2 buildings. I had to hire a professional pet rescuer to get him.
out. It took 2 weeks to get him back.
I really had thought I would never see him again, but, my vet told me to
keep looking. She said cats rarely ever go far.
I hope you find your baby.

Beth

 

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Sent: Monday, July 1, 2013 8:15 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

Hi, 

 

I'm sorry but I will need to leave your discussions.  My cat, William (as in
Shakespeare) ran away last month.  I just hope that he found a loving
family.  When I went away for a week and a half I hired someone to come to
my house just in case he returned home.  I live in a townhouse community so
every house looks the same and he never left the house before.  I will
probably get another high needs cat.  I adopted William knowing that he had
leukemia.  Basically I want to adopt a cat that no one else wants.  Wishing
all of the best to the members of the group.


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[Christiane Biagi]

Not sure I understand.  He was neg for both FIV n FELV 3 weeks ago but is
positive now?  Do you know what tests were run-possibilities are Elissa
(snap test done in office) and IFA (blood work sent out).  Swollen lymph
nodes could be a lot of things.  particularly if he's running around and
eating and gaining weight!  

 

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Sally Dwyer
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 8:54 PM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

Hi Folks,

My kitty Rumi was just diagnosed with Felv and Fiv today.  He had been
treated for a severe anemaia over the past few weeks (transfusions and
antibiotics + pred) and as recently as 3 weeks ago was FIV and Felv negative
on blood samples.

His PCV went from 8 to 26 today - a great recovery.  My daughter an I
noticed some swollen lymph nodes yesterday and when we showed them to the
vets today they said that his prognosis is grave given that we now know he
is Felv positve. They beleive there is probably an underlying fast growing
cancer responsible for the nodes and have said evenif they find it and treat
with chemo he will only have 4 or 5 months at best ( they said take the
weekend to think about it).  So hard to beleive when you see him running
around and purring in your lap and gaining weight.  We are pretty broken up
about it - he is an awesome 2 year old cat that we got from a shelter only a
month ago.  Anyone have experiences that are similar or other thoughts?  

thanks,

Sally

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Change subject line...... Cat in Ohio needs home

[dlgegg]

RE:  water bowls, mine don't swim in them, they pat the water and throw it out, 
run or slide into bowl .  I hve fountain in kitchen surrounded by sponge to 
soak up the spills.  i thought it was leaking so bought a new one.  took it out 
on deck to test it.  it didn't leak.  man time someone slide into new one  and 
knocked half of th water out.

 Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: 
 Hey this subject line has been going on for a month.  
 We need to change the subject to reflect new topics.
 
 On 12-12, Kathryn Green wrote:
 Sounds strange but I have found that industrial strength double sided
 Velcro works great for keeping things like scratch posts, dishes.
 (especially water dishes they like to swim in), toys that require
 energetic search/play and.litter boxes, in place on laminate,
 hardwood, linoleum floors.
  
 Kat
  
 
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[dlgegg]

People who hunt for the trophy are wrong.  Those who hunt to help feed their 
family are right.  
Politicians will tell you what they think you want to hear and do what they 
want.  I am desperate enough this year to vote for one of my cats - write in 
vote.


 Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 This list has always been so very helpful-now it is full of judgmental
 people that do nothing but bash those with different views. What is
 happening to this list? If people hunt they are evil. Like it or not many
 people all over the world hunt-they are all condemned because there are
 those that hate it. Then the list is now into politics. What happened to
 helping deliver information about feline leukemia? People that look in to
 get help see this and leave. It is heartbreaking that this is deteriorating
 away from what brought all to the list in the first place.
 


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[Joslin Potter]

   
 I agree with you Lee, I don't see any issue with hunting.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  


The Lord replied,‘The times when you have seen only one set of footprints in 
the sand, is when I carried you MS
 


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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
   People who hunt for the trophy are wrong.  Those who hunt to help feed their 
family are right.  Politicians will tell you what they think you want to hear 
and do what they want.  I am desperate enough this year to vote for one of my 
cats - write in vote. Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com wrote:  This 
list has always been so very helpful-now it is full of judgmental people that 
do nothing but bash those with different views. What is happening to this 
list? If people hunt they are evil. Like it or not many people all over the 
world hunt-they are all condemned because there are those that hate it. Then 
the list is now into politics. What happened to helping deliver information 
about feline leukemia? People that look in to get help see this and leave. It 
is heartbreaking that this is deteriorating away from what brought all to the 
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[Natalie]

It's true about declawing...people NEVER knew how awful it was, they thought 
it's like a manicure! Vets who suggest it are in it to make money, that's all!  
Most of them, I can guarantee, have no idea (or don't care to know) about side 
effects, emotional and physical.  1) people abandon declawed cats because of 
urinating outside the litter box, 2) cats become totally unpredictable/bite, 
and 3) going into deep depression. So, when people tell me that their cats were 
absolutely normal, how would they know that? What is normal? I've had a few 
declawed rescues - each one, without fail, peed everywhere.  I had to get 
piddle pants for them!  One would bite for absolutely no reason (that I saw), 
but he had a good reason!  Yes, there are some cats that seem not to be 
affected, at least outwardly, and people even allow them to go outside, which 
it the worst thing to do.
A friend declawed her two cats when she adopted a baby.  Both cats bit the baby 
really hard when their tails or ears were pulled, and guess what happened to 
the cats?


-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
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But isn't it the different opinions and even judgementalism that sparks new 
ideas, makes people think?  No, we should not get nasty, but especially 
declawing, that is so detrimental to the cat.  Isn't it better to find a 
solution for the clawing on furniture, find out why the cat is doing it.  Then 
we can corrrect the situation.  One thing I have learned thru the years is that 
most BAD cat behavior is caused by their people's actions or lack of 
understanding.


 Kelley S moonv...@gmail.com wrote: 
 I think yall misunderstand.  I don't care about off topic posts and we 
 used to talk about everything under the sun.  It's the JUDGEMENTALISM 
 that has been creeping in for a long, long time.
 
 Declawing  I don't do it, but one of our valued long term list members 
 (at least I hope she is even still here) volunteers for a rescue that 
 has 2 parts, an FELV sanctuary and an adoptable cat rescue - and all 
 the adoptable cats are routinely declawed by the rescue owner, a veterinarian.
 Now I'm sure just this post will generate about a month long argument, 
 which is kind of my point about judgement.
 
 And let a breeder come on here and dear Lord.  More judgement.  I hate 
 fighting and judging.
 
 On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org wrote:
 
 I understand the purpose of this group, but I think it’s up to 
  the mod to decide of OT posts are permitted. I found the OT subjects 
  interesting, but when I didn’t feel like reading any more, I used 
  the magical delete key.I t part, those who have participated in the 
  OT discussions have made their points very respectfully and without 
  insult. (I’m not sure I can say the same regarding the comment that 
  the list has gone way, way downhill.)
 
  
 
  I hope we call all agree to disagree as necessary while 
  remaining dedicated to the FeLV+ kitties that need us. **I do rescue 
  and joined this group when one of our rescues tested positive. He 
  was adopted more than a year ago, but I’ve stayed on the list 
  because of the kindness and compassion of the folks here. I don’t 
  think the list has gone downhill at all and I’m sure that if someone 
  poses a question about a cat in need, focus will quickly be 
  redirected.**
 
  **
  Cindy**
 
  
 
  
 
  *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On 
  Behalf Of *Kelley S
  *Sent:* Friday, October 05, 2012 2:46 PM
  *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 
  
 
  I have to agree - this list used to be such a positive influence in 
  my life - I joined years ago when I had a kitten test false pos - 
  and I stayed because the people were so wonderful.  It has gone way, 
  way downhill.  ***
  *
 
  On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Elizabeth Malone 
  malon...@yahoo.com
  wrote:
 
  I have been with this list since my kitten developed Feline Leukemia 
  in 2006. I have seen it go way off topic and people that have been 
  invaluable leave. I realize I don’t post often, but as I am with 
  many animal groups I do send people that are struggling. It was most 
  disheartening to know that they were not able to get help, but did 
  learn that people hated their beliefs. They just needed guidance 
  because they are dealing with this for the first time. This has 
  always been a place to hear the newest treatments and for those 
  given grim news the knowledge that there is always hope.
 
   
 
  *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On 
  Behalf Of *Lee Evans
  *Sent:* Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:47 PM
  *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject

Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Kelley S]

I have to agree - this list used to be such a positive influence in my life
- I joined years ago when I had a kitten test false pos - and I stayed
because the people were so wonderful.  It has gone way, way downhill.

On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.comwrote:

 I have been with this list since my kitten developed Feline Leukemia in
 2006. I have seen it go way off topic and people that have been invaluable
 leave. I realize I don’t post often, but as I am with many animal groups I
 do send people that are struggling. It was most disheartening to know that
 they were not able to get help, but did learn that people hated their
 beliefs. They just needed guidance because they are dealing with this for
 the first time. This has always been a place to hear the newest treatments
 and for those given grim news the knowledge that there is always hope.

 ** **

 *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
 Of *Lee Evans
 *Sent:* Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:47 PM
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 ** **

 Don't fret Elizabeth.  Occasionally we get a little off topic but we soon
 get back on the road. Just like you would take a journey and have to pull
 over to the shoulder of the road to allow your car to cool down we do the
 same here.  We all have different opinions and sometimes we just like to
 cool down by having a chat with people we feel safe with - people who
 rescue cats and who understand the ethical decisions we make in not killing
 those cats who test FeLv+.  It feels to me like sitting down to dinner with
 a church group.  We all agree on the religion but we may all approach it in
 a different way and see it in a different way and even get way off topic
 and discuss hair styles and shoe styles.

 If you have a question about feline leukemia, please ask it and we will
 discontinue our chat about everything under the sun and moon and help you
 with your issue.  Blessings.

 ** **

  

 *Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
 neighbors too!*

 ** **
 --

 *From:* Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Sent:* Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:38 PM
 *Subject:* [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 ** **

 This list has always been so very helpful—now it is full of judgmental
 people that do nothing but bash those with different views. What is
 happening to this list? If people hunt they are evil. Like it or not many
 people all over the world hunt—they are all condemned because there are
 those that hate it. Then the list is now into politics. What happened to
 helping deliver information about feline leukemia? People that look in to
 get help see this and leave. It is heartbreaking that this is deteriorating
 away from what brought all to the list in the first place.


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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Natalie]

I joined this list a few years ago when I got two adult FeLV cats, and I
have absolutely no complaints - how can anyone think that this group has
gone downhill with so many knowledgeable, wonderful and caring contributors
just because we go off-topic once in a while?  It usually happens when no
one has any dire FeLV emergencies, and then there are times when it's
nothing but FeLV issues.  I belong to several groups, and this often happens
in a lull.

Natalie

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Kelley S
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 2:46 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

I have to agree - this list used to be such a positive influence in my life
- I joined years ago when I had a kitten test false pos - and I stayed
because the people were so wonderful.  It has gone way, way downhill.  

On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com
wrote:

I have been with this list since my kitten developed Feline Leukemia in
2006. I have seen it go way off topic and people that have been invaluable
leave. I realize I don't post often, but as I am with many animal groups I
do send people that are struggling. It was most disheartening to know that
they were not able to get help, but did learn that people hated their
beliefs. They just needed guidance because they are dealing with this for
the first time. This has always been a place to hear the newest treatments
and for those given grim news the knowledge that there is always hope.

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee
Evans
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:47 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

Don't fret Elizabeth.  Occasionally we get a little off topic but we soon
get back on the road. Just like you would take a journey and have to pull
over to the shoulder of the road to allow your car to cool down we do the
same here.  We all have different opinions and sometimes we just like to
cool down by having a chat with people we feel safe with - people who
rescue cats and who understand the ethical decisions we make in not killing
those cats who test FeLv+.  It feels to me like sitting down to dinner with
a church group.  We all agree on the religion but we may all approach it in
a different way and see it in a different way and even get way off topic and
discuss hair styles and shoe styles.

If you have a question about feline leukemia, please ask it and we will
discontinue our chat about everything under the sun and moon and help you
with your issue.  Blessings.

 

 

Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
neighbors too!

 

  _  

From: Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:38 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

This list has always been so very helpful-now it is full of judgmental
people that do nothing but bash those with different views. What is
happening to this list? If people hunt they are evil. Like it or not many
people all over the world hunt-they are all condemned because there are
those that hate it. Then the list is now into politics. What happened to
helping deliver information about feline leukemia? People that look in to
get help see this and leave. It is heartbreaking that this is deteriorating
away from what brought all to the list in the first place.


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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Elizabeth Malone]

My concern was that someone came for help and was concerned because of what
was being said. I don't know that I would call it going downhill-it is
difficult finding help when dealing with this virus and it is disheartening
when someone comes and can't get help. I remember being in their place and
reading about cobra venom, can you imagine how desperate one is to think
that route,-it is hard to find proper treatments or how to find the right
vet. This site gave me hope, told me to stand up to my vet who said put the
cat down, and then gave me what they used or knew so I could take it to my
vet. In the end there is another vet in this world that believes that FeLV+
cats can be treated and do not need to be put down. I send people because
this is the greatest group I know with a wealth of knowledge and wisdom to
share. They felt this wasn't a place of help. I know that there are so many
here that could write the best how-to book on treatments. We need that
knowledge to help those that are told-you need to put that at down like I
was told, because there are treatments. 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Natalie
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 12:55 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

I joined this list a few years ago when I got two adult FeLV cats, and I
have absolutely no complaints - how can anyone think that this group has
gone downhill with so many knowledgeable, wonderful and caring contributors
just because we go off-topic once in a while?  It usually happens when no
one has any dire FeLV emergencies, and then there are times when it's
nothing but FeLV issues.  I belong to several groups, and this often happens
in a lull.

Natalie

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Kelley S
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 2:46 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

I have to agree - this list used to be such a positive influence in my life
- I joined years ago when I had a kitten test false pos - and I stayed
because the people were so wonderful.  It has gone way, way downhill.  

On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com
wrote:

I have been with this list since my kitten developed Feline Leukemia in
2006. I have seen it go way off topic and people that have been invaluable
leave. I realize I don't post often, but as I am with many animal groups I
do send people that are struggling. It was most disheartening to know that
they were not able to get help, but did learn that people hated their
beliefs. They just needed guidance because they are dealing with this for
the first time. This has always been a place to hear the newest treatments
and for those given grim news the knowledge that there is always hope.

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee
Evans
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:47 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

Don't fret Elizabeth.  Occasionally we get a little off topic but we soon
get back on the road. Just like you would take a journey and have to pull
over to the shoulder of the road to allow your car to cool down we do the
same here.  We all have different opinions and sometimes we just like to
cool down by having a chat with people we feel safe with - people who
rescue cats and who understand the ethical decisions we make in not killing
those cats who test FeLv+.  It feels to me like sitting down to dinner with
a church group.  We all agree on the religion but we may all approach it in
a different way and see it in a different way and even get way off topic and
discuss hair styles and shoe styles.

If you have a question about feline leukemia, please ask it and we will
discontinue our chat about everything under the sun and moon and help you
with your issue.  Blessings.

 

 

Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
neighbors too!

 

  _  

From: Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:38 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

This list has always been so very helpful-now it is full of judgmental
people that do nothing but bash those with different views. What is
happening to this list? If people hunt they are evil. Like it or not many
people all over the world hunt-they are all condemned because there are
those that hate it. Then the list is now into politics. What happened to
helping deliver information about feline leukemia? People that look in to
get help see this and leave. It is heartbreaking that this is deteriorating
away from what brought all to the list in the first place.


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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Cindy McHugh]

I understand the purpose of this group, but I think it’s up to the mod to 
decide of OT posts are permitted. I found the OT subjects interesting, but when 
I didn’t feel like reading any more, I used the magical delete key.

 

I’d hate to see hurt feelings among a group of people who are united by a 
common concern for FeLV+ cats. But I think that for the most part, those who 
have participated in the OT discussions have made their points very 
respectfully and without insult. (I’m not sure I can say the same regarding the 
comment that the list has gone way, way downhill.)

 

I hope we call all agree to disagree as necessary while remaining dedicated to 
the FeLV+ kitties that need us. I do rescue and joined this group when one of 
our rescues tested positive. He was adopted more than a year ago, but I’ve 
stayed on the list because of the kindness and compassion of the folks here. I 
don’t think the list has gone downhill at all and I’m sure that if someone 
poses a question about a cat in need, focus will quickly be redirected.


Cindy

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley 
S
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 2:46 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

I have to agree - this list used to be such a positive influence in my life - I 
joined years ago when I had a kitten test false pos - and I stayed because the 
people were so wonderful.  It has gone way, way downhill.  

On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com wrote:

I have been with this list since my kitten developed Feline Leukemia in 2006. I 
have seen it go way off topic and people that have been invaluable leave. I 
realize I don’t post often, but as I am with many animal groups I do send 
people that are struggling. It was most disheartening to know that they were 
not able to get help, but did learn that people hated their beliefs. They just 
needed guidance because they are dealing with this for the first time. This has 
always been a place to hear the newest treatments and for those given grim news 
the knowledge that there is always hope.

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee 
Evans
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:47 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

Don't fret Elizabeth.  Occasionally we get a little off topic but we soon get 
back on the road. Just like you would take a journey and have to pull over to 
the shoulder of the road to allow your car to cool down we do the same here.  
We all have different opinions and sometimes we just like to cool down by 
having a chat with people we feel safe with - people who rescue cats and who 
understand the ethical decisions we make in not killing those cats who test 
FeLv+.  It feels to me like sitting down to dinner with a church group.  We all 
agree on the religion but we may all approach it in a different way and see it 
in a different way and even get way off topic and discuss hair styles and shoe 
styles.

If you have a question about feline leukemia, please ask it and we will 
discontinue our chat about everything under the sun and moon and help you with 
your issue.  Blessings.

 

 

Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!

 




From: Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:38 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

This list has always been so very helpful—now it is full of judgmental people 
that do nothing but bash those with different views. What is happening to this 
list? If people hunt they are evil. Like it or not many people all over the 
world hunt—they are all condemned because there are those that hate it. Then 
the list is now into politics. What happened to helping deliver information 
about feline leukemia? People that look in to get help see this and leave. It 
is heartbreaking that this is deteriorating away from what brought all to the 
list in the first place.


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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Kelley S]

I think yall misunderstand.  I don't care about off topic posts and we used
to talk about everything under the sun.  It's the JUDGEMENTALISM that has
been creeping in for a long, long time.

Declawing  I don't do it, but one of our valued long term list members (at
least I hope she is even still here) volunteers for a rescue that has 2
parts, an FELV sanctuary and an adoptable cat rescue - and all the
adoptable cats are routinely declawed by the rescue owner, a veterinarian.
Now I'm sure just this post will generate about a month long argument,
which is kind of my point about judgement.

And let a breeder come on here and dear Lord.  More judgement.  I hate
fighting and judging.

On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org wrote:

I understand the purpose of this group, but I think it’s up to the mod
 to decide of OT posts are permitted. I found the OT subjects interesting,
 but when I didn’t feel like reading any more, I used the magical delete key.I
 t part, those who have participated in the OT discussions have made their
 points very respectfully and without insult. (I’m not sure I can say the
 same regarding the comment that the list has gone way, way downhill.)

 

 I hope we call all agree to disagree as necessary while remaining
 dedicated to the FeLV+ kitties that need us. **I do rescue and joined
 this group when one of our rescues tested positive. He was adopted more
 than a year ago, but I’ve stayed on the list because of the kindness and
 compassion of the folks here. I don’t think the list has gone downhill at
 all and I’m sure that if someone poses a question about a cat in need,
 focus will quickly be redirected.**

 **
 Cindy**

 

 

 *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
 Of *Kelley S
 *Sent:* Friday, October 05, 2012 2:46 PM
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

 I have to agree - this list used to be such a positive influence in my
 life - I joined years ago when I had a kitten test false pos - and I stayed
 because the people were so wonderful.  It has gone way, way downhill.  ***
 *

 On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com
 wrote:

 I have been with this list since my kitten developed Feline Leukemia in
 2006. I have seen it go way off topic and people that have been invaluable
 leave. I realize I don’t post often, but as I am with many animal groups I
 do send people that are struggling. It was most disheartening to know that
 they were not able to get help, but did learn that people hated their
 beliefs. They just needed guidance because they are dealing with this for
 the first time. This has always been a place to hear the newest treatments
 and for those given grim news the knowledge that there is always hope.

  

 *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
 Of *Lee Evans
 *Sent:* Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:47 PM
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

  

 Don't fret Elizabeth.  Occasionally we get a little off topic but we soon
 get back on the road. Just like you would take a journey and have to pull
 over to the shoulder of the road to allow your car to cool down we do the
 same here.  We all have different opinions and sometimes we just like to
 cool down by having a chat with people we feel safe with - people who
 rescue cats and who understand the ethical decisions we make in not killing
 those cats who test FeLv+.  It feels to me like sitting down to dinner with
 a church group.  We all agree on the religion but we may all approach it in
 a different way and see it in a different way and even get way off topic
 and discuss hair styles and shoe styles.

 If you have a question about feline leukemia, please ask it and we will
 discontinue our chat about everything under the sun and moon and help you
 with your issue.  Blessings.

  

  

 *Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
 neighbors too!*

  
   --

 *From:* Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Sent:* Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:38 PM
 *Subject:* [Felvtalk] (no subject)

  

 This list has always been so very helpful—now it is full of judgmental
 people that do nothing but bash those with different views. What is
 happening to this list? If people hunt they are evil. Like it or not many
 people all over the world hunt—they are all condemned because there are
 those that hate it. Then the list is now into politics. What happened to
 helping deliver information about feline leukemia? People that look in to
 get help see this and leave. It is heartbreaking that this is deteriorating
 away from what brought all to the list in the first place.


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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Christiane Biagi]

This group got me thru.that blind panic when my tucson was diagnosed w felv. 
And I know irs helped sooo many people!

Christiane Biagi
Sent from my Samsung Epic™ 4G

Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com wrote:

My concern was that someone came for help and was concerned because of what
was being said. I don't know that I would call it going downhill-it is
difficult finding help when dealing with this virus and it is disheartening
when someone comes and can't get help. I remember being in their place and
reading about cobra venom, can you imagine how desperate one is to think
that route,-it is hard to find proper treatments or how to find the right
vet. This site gave me hope, told me to stand up to my vet who said put the
cat down, and then gave me what they used or knew so I could take it to my
vet. In the end there is another vet in this world that believes that FeLV+
cats can be treated and do not need to be put down. I send people because
this is the greatest group I know with a wealth of knowledge and wisdom to
share. They felt this wasn't a place of help. I know that there are so many
here that could write the best how-to book on treatments. We need that
knowledge to help those that are told-you need to put that at down like I
was told, because there are treatments. 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Natalie
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 12:55 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

I joined this list a few years ago when I got two adult FeLV cats, and I
have absolutely no complaints - how can anyone think that this group has
gone downhill with so many knowledgeable, wonderful and caring contributors
just because we go off-topic once in a while?  It usually happens when no
one has any dire FeLV emergencies, and then there are times when it's
nothing but FeLV issues.  I belong to several groups, and this often happens
in a lull.

Natalie

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Kelley S
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 2:46 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

I have to agree - this list used to be such a positive influence in my life
- I joined years ago when I had a kitten test false pos - and I stayed
because the people were so wonderful.  It has gone way, way downhill.  

On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com
wrote:

I have been with this list since my kitten developed Feline Leukemia in
2006. I have seen it go way off topic and people that have been invaluable
leave. I realize I don't post often, but as I am with many animal groups I
do send people that are struggling. It was most disheartening to know that
they were not able to get help, but did learn that people hated their
beliefs. They just needed guidance because they are dealing with this for
the first time. This has always been a place to hear the newest treatments
and for those given grim news the knowledge that there is always hope.

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee
Evans
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:47 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

Don't fret Elizabeth.  Occasionally we get a little off topic but we soon
get back on the road. Just like you would take a journey and have to pull
over to the shoulder of the road to allow your car to cool down we do the
same here.  We all have different opinions and sometimes we just like to
cool down by having a chat with people we feel safe with - people who
rescue cats and who understand the ethical decisions we make in not killing
those cats who test FeLv+.  It feels to me like sitting down to dinner with
a church group.  We all agree on the religion but we may all approach it in
a different way and see it in a different way and even get way off topic and
discuss hair styles and shoe styles.

If you have a question about feline leukemia, please ask it and we will
discontinue our chat about everything under the sun and moon and help you
with your issue.  Blessings.

 

 

Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
neighbors too!

 

  _  

From: Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:38 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

This list has always been so very helpful-now it is full of judgmental
people that do nothing but bash those with different views. What is
happening to this list? If people hunt they are evil. Like it or not many
people all over the world hunt-they are all condemned because there are
those that hate it. Then the list is now into politics. What happened to
helping deliver information about feline leukemia? People that look in to
get help see this and leave. It is heartbreaking that this is deteriorating
away from what brought all to the list in the first place

Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Thanks, Lee, I was about to say that I have never seen anyone not get
responded to on this list in their time of need and emotional turmoil. Going
offtopic is almost inevitable when you're on a specialized list like this. I
think the OT discussion has been amazingly civil and respectful. As it
happens, I will be voting Democrat because I feel they are in touch with,
and care about, the people that the Republicans have referred to as the 47%
they're not interested in reaching. My reasons have to do with the way the
most vulnerable among us would be treated under each party. I feel people
like most of us, who are sort of getting by or not quite getting by or
getting by only because we get a pension or disability or whatever, need
people in government who are interested in reaching us.

 

Diane R.

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee
Evans
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 2:54 PM
To: felvtalk
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

In the middle of our chit-chat about politics and hunters and vegetarian
diets, if someone had come in with the subject line: Cat Bitten by Cobra, we
would have been off the chatty stuff in an instant and onto Google to look
up what could be done for the cat while the caregiver was taking him to the
vet emergency clinic.  So if we wander around the hospital isles
occasionally when everyone is asleep and babble a bit, don't worry.  We can
switch in a moment.  I actually did switch when I saw how agonized you were
and posted about vets treating FeLv cats differently from non-FeLv cats to
get us back on topic. But occasionally on every specialized list I have been
on there is a subject with OT listed and then it's either a funny article
copied from a magazine or other online source or some cute pictures of cats
doing silly things, or even a heated political discussion about who will be
President and how it would effect our ability to financially keep our heads
above water and still feed our rescues and take our cats to the vet when
needed.  It really does tie into the FeLv+ cat group because we are very
money intensive in trying to keep our rescued special needs cats as healthy
as can be for as long as can be.  If I lose my Social Security and Medicare
benefits or they are reduced, I would have to cut down on food for myself
and air conditioning in the summer and heat in the winter to pay my mortgage
on this house that I bought to keep my cats safe from being seized by Animal
Control in a city where there are cat limits.  Even though I still work and
have an online job, I would be in dire straits.  So it is very important to
my cats who I vote for.  And since I live in a rural area, hunting becomes a
problem for me also.  If the NRA controls the government, then my 3 outside
cats and my peacock are in danger.  I actually hear gunshots sometimes in
the daytime on weekends and it makes me tremble.

 

 

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neighbors too!

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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Natalie]

I agree, they have been very civil!  Natalie

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Diane Rosenfeldt
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 8:23 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

Thanks, Lee, I was about to say that I have never seen anyone not get
responded to on this list in their time of need and emotional turmoil. Going
offtopic is almost inevitable when you're on a specialized list like this. I
think the OT discussion has been amazingly civil and respectful. As it
happens, I will be voting Democrat because I feel they are in touch with,
and care about, the people that the Republicans have referred to as the 47%
they're not interested in reaching. My reasons have to do with the way the
most vulnerable among us would be treated under each party. I feel people
like most of us, who are sort of getting by or not quite getting by or
getting by only because we get a pension or disability or whatever, need
people in government who are interested in reaching us.

 

Diane R.

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee
Evans
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 2:54 PM
To: felvtalk
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

In the middle of our chit-chat about politics and hunters and vegetarian
diets, if someone had come in with the subject line: Cat Bitten by Cobra, we
would have been off the chatty stuff in an instant and onto Google to look
up what could be done for the cat while the caregiver was taking him to the
vet emergency clinic.  So if we wander around the hospital isles
occasionally when everyone is asleep and babble a bit, don't worry.  We can
switch in a moment.  I actually did switch when I saw how agonized you were
and posted about vets treating FeLv cats differently from non-FeLv cats to
get us back on topic. But occasionally on every specialized list I have been
on there is a subject with OT listed and then it's either a funny article
copied from a magazine or other online source or some cute pictures of cats
doing silly things, or even a heated political discussion about who will be
President and how it would effect our ability to financially keep our heads
above water and still feed our rescues and take our cats to the vet when
needed.  It really does tie into the FeLv+ cat group because we are very
money intensive in trying to keep our rescued special needs cats as healthy
as can be for as long as can be.  If I lose my Social Security and Medicare
benefits or they are reduced, I would have to cut down on food for myself
and air conditioning in the summer and heat in the winter to pay my mortgage
on this house that I bought to keep my cats safe from being seized by Animal
Control in a city where there are cat limits.  Even though I still work and
have an online job, I would be in dire straits.  So it is very important to
my cats who I vote for.  And since I live in a rural area, hunting becomes a
problem for me also.  If the NRA controls the government, then my 3 outside
cats and my peacock are in danger.  I actually hear gunshots sometimes in
the daytime on weekends and it makes me tremble.

 

 

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neighbors too!

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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[dlgegg]

yOU ARE RIGHT.  Everything we do concerns our ability to care for ourselves and 
our cats.  I was elieved when I got my electric bill today, only $66.00.  It 
was not too high this summer as I am in the woods and get a good breeze, but I 
am afraid we are going to have a winter like our summer and the heat bill will 
go sky high.  Looking for a way to earn extra $$ so can pay property taxes and 
insurance on house,car and health.  These are the budget busters.

 Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 
In the middle of our chit-chat about politics and hunters and vegetarian
 diets, if someone had come in with the subject line: Cat Bitten by 
Cobra, we would have been off the chatty stuff in an instant and onto 
Google to look up what could be done for the cat while the caregiver was
 taking him to the vet emergency clinic.  So if we wander around the 
hospital isles occasionally when everyone is asleep and babble a bit, 
don't worry.  We can switch in a moment.  I actually did switch when I 
saw how agonized you were and posted about vets treating FeLv cats 
differently from non-FeLv cats to get us back on topic. But occasionally
 on every specialized list I have been on there is a subject with OT 
listed and then it's either a funny article copied from a magazine or 
other online source or some cute pictures of cats doing
 silly things, or even a heated political discussion about who will be 
President and how it would effect our ability to financially keep our 
heads above water and still feed our rescues and take our cats to the 
vet when needed.  It really does tie into the FeLv+ cat group because we
 are very money intensive in trying to keep our rescued special needs 
cats as healthy as can be for as long as can be.  If I lose my Social 
Security and Medicare benefits or they are reduced, I would have to cut 
down on food for myself  and air conditioning in the summer and heat in 
the winter to pay my mortgage on this house that I bought to keep my 
cats safe from being seized by Animal Control in a city where there are 
cat limits.  Even though I still work and have an online job, I would be
 in dire straits.  So it is very important to my cats who I vote for.  
And since I live in a rural area, hunting becomes a problem for me 
also.  If the
 NRA controls the government, then my 3 outside cats and my peacock are 
in danger.  I actually hear gunshots sometimes in the daytime on 
weekends and it makes me tremble.


 
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too!


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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[dlgegg]

When I started with the group, I got so many replys to my HELP cry that I lost 
my fear of this disease.  So much positive information from people who know it 
from experience, not what they have read.  THANK YOU to everyone for giving me 
the courage to keep my girls and giving myself and them a chance at life and 
love that never would have been had I euthanized them.

 Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com wrote: 
 This group got me thru.that blind panic when my tucson was diagnosed w felv. 
 And I know irs helped sooo many people!

Christiane Biagi
Sent from my Samsung Epic™ 4G

Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com wrote:

My concern was that someone came for help and was concerned because of what
was being said. I don't know that I would call it going downhill-it is
difficult finding help when dealing with this virus and it is disheartening
when someone comes and can't get help. I remember being in their place and
reading about cobra venom, can you imagine how desperate one is to think
that route,-it is hard to find proper treatments or how to find the right
vet. This site gave me hope, told me to stand up to my vet who said put the
cat down, and then gave me what they used or knew so I could take it to my
vet. In the end there is another vet in this world that believes that FeLV+
cats can be treated and do not need to be put down. I send people because
this is the greatest group I know with a wealth of knowledge and wisdom to
share. They felt this wasn't a place of help. I know that there are so many
here that could write the best how-to book on treatments. We need that
knowledge to help those that are told-you need to put that at down like I
was told, because there are treatments. 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Natalie
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 12:55 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

I joined this list a few years ago when I got two adult FeLV cats, and I
have absolutely no complaints - how can anyone think that this group has
gone downhill with so many knowledgeable, wonderful and caring contributors
just because we go off-topic once in a while?  It usually happens when no
one has any dire FeLV emergencies, and then there are times when it's
nothing but FeLV issues.  I belong to several groups, and this often happens
in a lull.

Natalie

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Kelley S
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 2:46 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

I have to agree - this list used to be such a positive influence in my life
- I joined years ago when I had a kitten test false pos - and I stayed
because the people were so wonderful.  It has gone way, way downhill.  

On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com
wrote:

I have been with this list since my kitten developed Feline Leukemia in
2006. I have seen it go way off topic and people that have been invaluable
leave. I realize I don't post often, but as I am with many animal groups I
do send people that are struggling. It was most disheartening to know that
they were not able to get help, but did learn that people hated their
beliefs. They just needed guidance because they are dealing with this for
the first time. This has always been a place to hear the newest treatments
and for those given grim news the knowledge that there is always hope.

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee
Evans
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:47 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

Don't fret Elizabeth.  Occasionally we get a little off topic but we soon
get back on the road. Just like you would take a journey and have to pull
over to the shoulder of the road to allow your car to cool down we do the
same here.  We all have different opinions and sometimes we just like to
cool down by having a chat with people we feel safe with - people who
rescue cats and who understand the ethical decisions we make in not killing
those cats who test FeLv+.  It feels to me like sitting down to dinner with
a church group.  We all agree on the religion but we may all approach it in
a different way and see it in a different way and even get way off topic and
discuss hair styles and shoe styles.

If you have a question about feline leukemia, please ask it and we will
discontinue our chat about everything under the sun and moon and help you
with your issue.  Blessings.

 

 

Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
neighbors too!

 

  _  

From: Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:38 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

This list has always been so very helpful-now it is full of judgmental
people that do nothing but bash those with different views. What is
happening to this list? If people hunt they are evil

Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[dlgegg]

But isn't it the different opinions and even judgementalism that sparks new 
ideas, makes people think?  No, we should not get nasty, but especially 
declawing, that is so detrimental to the cat.  Isn't it better to find a 
solution for the clawing on furniture, find out why the cat is doing it.  Then 
we can corrrect the situation.  One thing I have learned thru the years is that 
most BAD cat behavior is caused by their people's actions or lack of 
understanding.


 Kelley S moonv...@gmail.com wrote: 
 I think yall misunderstand.  I don't care about off topic posts and we used
 to talk about everything under the sun.  It's the JUDGEMENTALISM that has
 been creeping in for a long, long time.
 
 Declawing  I don't do it, but one of our valued long term list members (at
 least I hope she is even still here) volunteers for a rescue that has 2
 parts, an FELV sanctuary and an adoptable cat rescue - and all the
 adoptable cats are routinely declawed by the rescue owner, a veterinarian.
 Now I'm sure just this post will generate about a month long argument,
 which is kind of my point about judgement.
 
 And let a breeder come on here and dear Lord.  More judgement.  I hate
 fighting and judging.
 
 On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org wrote:
 
 I understand the purpose of this group, but I think it’s up to the mod
  to decide of OT posts are permitted. I found the OT subjects interesting,
  but when I didn’t feel like reading any more, I used the magical delete 
  key.I
  t part, those who have participated in the OT discussions have made their
  points very respectfully and without insult. (I’m not sure I can say the
  same regarding the comment that the list has gone way, way downhill.)
 
  
 
  I hope we call all agree to disagree as necessary while remaining
  dedicated to the FeLV+ kitties that need us. **I do rescue and joined
  this group when one of our rescues tested positive. He was adopted more
  than a year ago, but I’ve stayed on the list because of the kindness and
  compassion of the folks here. I don’t think the list has gone downhill at
  all and I’m sure that if someone poses a question about a cat in need,
  focus will quickly be redirected.**
 
  **
  Cindy**
 
  
 
  
 
  *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
  Of *Kelley S
  *Sent:* Friday, October 05, 2012 2:46 PM
  *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 
  
 
  I have to agree - this list used to be such a positive influence in my
  life - I joined years ago when I had a kitten test false pos - and I stayed
  because the people were so wonderful.  It has gone way, way downhill.  ***
  *
 
  On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com
  wrote:
 
  I have been with this list since my kitten developed Feline Leukemia in
  2006. I have seen it go way off topic and people that have been invaluable
  leave. I realize I don’t post often, but as I am with many animal groups I
  do send people that are struggling. It was most disheartening to know that
  they were not able to get help, but did learn that people hated their
  beliefs. They just needed guidance because they are dealing with this for
  the first time. This has always been a place to hear the newest treatments
  and for those given grim news the knowledge that there is always hope.
 
   
 
  *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
  Of *Lee Evans
  *Sent:* Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:47 PM
  *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 
   
 
  Don't fret Elizabeth.  Occasionally we get a little off topic but we soon
  get back on the road. Just like you would take a journey and have to pull
  over to the shoulder of the road to allow your car to cool down we do the
  same here.  We all have different opinions and sometimes we just like to
  cool down by having a chat with people we feel safe with - people who
  rescue cats and who understand the ethical decisions we make in not killing
  those cats who test FeLv+.  It feels to me like sitting down to dinner with
  a church group.  We all agree on the religion but we may all approach it in
  a different way and see it in a different way and even get way off topic
  and discuss hair styles and shoe styles.
 
  If you have a question about feline leukemia, please ask it and we will
  discontinue our chat about everything under the sun and moon and help you
  with your issue.  Blessings.
 
   
 
   
 
  *Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
  neighbors too!*
 
   
--
 
  *From:* Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com
  *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  *Sent:* Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:38 PM
  *Subject:* [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 
   
 
  This list has always been so very helpful—now it is full

Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[dlgegg]

One thing I have heard that was negative, was about vets who want to put cats 
down because of FELV.  i think many of them just are not up to date and 
sometimes they are afraid to try something new/different.  If a vet says put 
them down, I just don't go back to him/her and look for someone who is willing 
to try .  If I want to spend the money, then let me.  If I get too far down the 
self sacrificing look what I am doing for my cat road then the doctor needs 
to set me straight.  My vet will do this for me.  If he thinks I am getting 
carried away, he gently asks me if I am doing it for myself or the cat.  That 
makes me think .  That is one of the reasons he is there, to help me think 
straight.  We all need other's opinions to help us in making decisions 
sometimes and sometimes those opinions may seem a bit harsh, but necessary.


 Kelley S moonv...@gmail.com wrote: 
 I have to agree - this list used to be such a positive influence in my life
 - I joined years ago when I had a kitten test false pos - and I stayed
 because the people were so wonderful.  It has gone way, way downhill.
 
 On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.comwrote:
 
  I have been with this list since my kitten developed Feline Leukemia in
  2006. I have seen it go way off topic and people that have been invaluable
  leave. I realize I don’t post often, but as I am with many animal groups I
  do send people that are struggling. It was most disheartening to know that
  they were not able to get help, but did learn that people hated their
  beliefs. They just needed guidance because they are dealing with this for
  the first time. This has always been a place to hear the newest treatments
  and for those given grim news the knowledge that there is always hope.
 
  ** **
 
  *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
  Of *Lee Evans
  *Sent:* Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:47 PM
  *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 
  ** **
 
  Don't fret Elizabeth.  Occasionally we get a little off topic but we soon
  get back on the road. Just like you would take a journey and have to pull
  over to the shoulder of the road to allow your car to cool down we do the
  same here.  We all have different opinions and sometimes we just like to
  cool down by having a chat with people we feel safe with - people who
  rescue cats and who understand the ethical decisions we make in not killing
  those cats who test FeLv+.  It feels to me like sitting down to dinner with
  a church group.  We all agree on the religion but we may all approach it in
  a different way and see it in a different way and even get way off topic
  and discuss hair styles and shoe styles.
 
  If you have a question about feline leukemia, please ask it and we will
  discontinue our chat about everything under the sun and moon and help you
  with your issue.  Blessings.
 
  ** **
 
   
 
  *Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
  neighbors too!*
 
  ** **
  --
 
  *From:* Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com
  *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  *Sent:* Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:38 PM
  *Subject:* [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 
  ** **
 
  This list has always been so very helpful—now it is full of judgmental
  people that do nothing but bash those with different views. What is
  happening to this list? If people hunt they are evil. Like it or not many
  people all over the world hunt—they are all condemned because there are
  those that hate it. Then the list is now into politics. What happened to
  helping deliver information about feline leukemia? People that look in to
  get help see this and leave. It is heartbreaking that this is deteriorating
  away from what brought all to the list in the first place.
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Lee Evans]

Don't fret Elizabeth.  Occasionally we get a little off topic but we soon get 
back on the road. Just like you would take a journey and have to pull over to 
the shoulder of the road to allow your car to cool down we do the same here.  
We all have different opinions and sometimes we just like to cool down by 
having a chat with people we feel safe with - people who rescue cats and who 
understand the ethical decisions we make in not killing those cats who test 
FeLv+.  It feels to me like sitting down to dinner with a church group.  We all 
agree on the religion but we may all approach it in a different way and see it 
in a different way and even get way off topic and discuss hair styles and shoe 
styles.

If you have a question about feline leukemia, please ask it and we will 
discontinue our chat about everything under the sun and moon and help you with 
your issue.  Blessings.


 
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!





 From: Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:38 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 

This list has always been so very helpful—now it is full of judgmental people 
that do nothing but bash those with different views. What is happening to this 
list? If people hunt they are evil. Like it or not many people all over the 
world hunt—they are all condemned because there are those that hate it. Then 
the list is now into politics. What happened to helping deliver information 
about feline leukemia? People that look in to get help see this and leave. It 
is heartbreaking that this is deteriorating away from what brought all to the 
list in the first place.
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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Elizabeth Malone]

I have been with this list since my kitten developed Feline Leukemia in 2006. I 
have seen it go way off topic and people that have been invaluable leave. I 
realize I don’t post often, but as I am with many animal groups I do send 
people that are struggling. It was most disheartening to know that they were 
not able to get help, but did learn that people hated their beliefs. They just 
needed guidance because they are dealing with this for the first time. This has 
always been a place to hear the newest treatments and for those given grim news 
the knowledge that there is always hope.

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee 
Evans
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:47 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

Don't fret Elizabeth.  Occasionally we get a little off topic but we soon get 
back on the road. Just like you would take a journey and have to pull over to 
the shoulder of the road to allow your car to cool down we do the same here.  
We all have different opinions and sometimes we just like to cool down by 
having a chat with people we feel safe with - people who rescue cats and who 
understand the ethical decisions we make in not killing those cats who test 
FeLv+.  It feels to me like sitting down to dinner with a church group.  We all 
agree on the religion but we may all approach it in a different way and see it 
in a different way and even get way off topic and discuss hair styles and shoe 
styles.

If you have a question about feline leukemia, please ask it and we will 
discontinue our chat about everything under the sun and moon and help you with 
your issue.  Blessings.

 

 

Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!

 

  _  

From: Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:38 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

This list has always been so very helpful—now it is full of judgmental people 
that do nothing but bash those with different views. What is happening to this 
list? If people hunt they are evil. Like it or not many people all over the 
world hunt—they are all condemned because there are those that hate it. Then 
the list is now into politics. What happened to helping deliver information 
about feline leukemia? People that look in to get help see this and leave. It 
is heartbreaking that this is deteriorating away from what brought all to the 
list in the first place.


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[Beth]

There's times when there is no activity. Be thankful for less email :)

 
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 From: McKenna's mckennas...@power-net.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 2:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 

 
These are the first I’ve gotten in over 2 weeks. I’m guessing I’m still on 
the list then.
 
Melissa L. McKenna 
From: GRAS 
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 4:11 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
  I got this one, and yes, there 
was correspondence this week – but I can’t tell you if you’re on the list or 
not 
- Natalie
  
From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Catherine Caughie
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 
3:44 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] 
(no subject)
 
Good afternoon,
 
I haven’t received any emails from the group in over a 
week.  Am I still on the mailing list:
My email is: 
 
    caug...@daytonastate.edu
 
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[GRAS]

I got this one, and yes, there was correspondence this week - but I can't
tell you if you're on the list or not - Natalie

 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Catherine Caughie
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 3:44 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

Good afternoon,

 

I haven't received any emails from the group in over a week.  Am I still on
the mailing list:

My email is: 

 

caug...@daytonastate.edu

 

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[McKenna's]

These are the first I’ve gotten in over 2 weeks. I’m guessing I’m still on the 
list then.

Melissa L. McKenna

From: GRAS 
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 4:11 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

I got this one, and yes, there was correspondence this week – but I can’t tell 
you if you’re on the list or not - Natalie

 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Catherine Caughie
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 3:44 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

Good afternoon,

 

I haven’t received any emails from the group in over a week.  Am I still on the 
mailing list:

My email is: 

 

caug...@daytonastate.edu

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] off subject but feline

[dlgegg]

A lovely story.  I know how you both felt when Rheis dissappeared.  Sometimes 
one of my babies stays out longer than the others and I become a basket case.  
Then they show up at the door, meowing  (demanding) to get in.  Or sometimes 
they come up behind me and quietly sit, waiting for me to turn and discover 
them.  I say I am going to do all kinds of things to them when they finally 
come home, but I just pick them up and love them to pieces.  


 czadna sacarawicz czadnasacaraw...@hotmail.com wrote: 
 
 Jean Feraca of WI public radio uses a word unremembered by me which describes 
 people unknown to each other involved in a work on behalf of God.
  
 The recent Purina Rally to Rescue magazine featured an article Loved and 
 Found about volunteers using animal allies to find strayed beloveds.
  
 with that . . .
  
 Rheis, a petite, long-haired talkative tortie had lived outside for some 
 months.  Sherry fed this cat who had arrived in the rough neighborhood by 
 unknown means.  
  
 Peggy Satterwhite of Vance County SPCA and I trapped this likely-to-be 
 pregnant cat on March 5.  Rheis came home with me.  Rheis went to SNAP - NC 
 and was aborted and spayed; we visited the vet, visited Sherry who was 
 certain she did not want Rheis as a dependent, and visited the Wake County 
 SPCA who put Rheis on their waiting list for their adoption center.  Rheis 
 lives with us in a one bedroom apartment - - separated for health reasons - - 
 from the heart of the home i.e Scrumptious and Mama and Pookashay and Shallie 
 Marie and Luscious.  There is usually a temporary, non-paying feline house 
 guest in what seems to be a convalescent center.
  
 Karin who lives in the same apartment building as we but on the back side and 
 above ground level wanted Rheis to meet Toby.  Toby, her 14 year-old rescue, 
 might be willing to have an additional housemate.  Karin picked up Rheis 
 Saturday afternoon.  No fur flew.  I went up late in the afternoon to pick up 
 Rheis before Karin left for mass.  Rheis wanted no part of being caught.  I 
 left and revisited after Karin's return.  Rheis was much more social now.  
 She moved back and forth from the cat-safe patio where Toby was hanging out.  
 She allowed herself to be petted.   The revised plan was that Rheis would 
 spend the night.  She had been sharing food and the litter box.  
  
 11:17 p.m.   call from Karin.  Rheis had exited the patio to the ground.  I 
 dressed and went to . . .Karin had spoken to a visitor who went for a 
 flashlight.  (the vistior called me by name, recalling an incident with a 
 kitten at the dialysis center).  The visitor saw eyes staring back at her 
 from the dark woods.  Karin and the visitor went into the woods.  Harold and 
 James, the outside ferals, knew something was going on and monitored the 
 activities.  Toby was talking from the patio. 
  
 Rheis had shown herself to be tame with a big motor.  She lived in a double 
 cage unreachable to her housemates and at night in the bathroom.   No Rheis.
  
 I went home and turned out my heart.  Yahmuna (FIV+) and I went to bed.  I 
 pondered what I was going to say to the SPCA and search strategy for Sunday.  
  
 12:46 p.m.  I heard a meow at the door and opened to see Rheis and Mama.  I 
 put Yahmuna into her bedroom and went back and opened the door and Rheis came 
 in.
  
 I called Karin.
  
 Rheis had never been outdoors at my home . . . had lived the free life of an 
 outdoor cat.
  
 HOW AND WHY?
  
 Karin is a woman of great faith.  
 
 
 
 
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[dlgegg]

JUST A GUESS, did the infection affect the hair follicles?

 Holly Shelton hsshel...@aol.com wrote: 
 My six year old Siamese cat, Oliver tested positive for the leukemia virus 
 back in December.  He's been doing great, other than having an eye infection 
 a few weeks back, which cleared up pretty well. I have noticed that there is 
 a ring of gray hair around the eye that had the infection. Has anyone else 
 had that happen after an eye infection?  So weird.  My vet has never seen 
 that happen.
 
 
 Oliver did have a blood panel done two weeks ago as he is due for a dental 
 next week.  All of the values, especially the ones that related to leukemia 
 virus were great.
 
 
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[Holly Shelton]

Oh, perhaps, thanks for that.  And I can't believe that I forgot to put a 
subject.



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Cc: Holly Shelton hsshel...@aol.com
Sent: Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:46 am
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)


JUST A GUESS, did the infection affect the hair follicles?

 Holly Shelton hsshel...@aol.com wrote: 
 My six year old Siamese cat, Oliver tested positive for the leukemia virus 
back in December.  He's been doing great, other than having an eye infection a 
few weeks back, which cleared up pretty well. I have noticed that there is a 
ring of gray hair around the eye that had the infection. Has anyone else had 
that happen after an eye infection?  So weird.  My vet has never seen that 
happen.
 
 
 Oliver did have a blood panel done two weeks ago as he is due for a dental 
next week.  All of the values, especially the ones that related to leukemia 
virus were great.
 
 
 Thanks, Holly


 
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[dlgegg]

Amen to that.  Thank God I have an enlightened vet.  

 Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: 
 I agree, euthanize your vet.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Feb 23, 2012, at 9:34 PM, Christina Warden warden_christ...@yahoo.com 
 wrote:
 
  i have a male cat bout three yrs old whom recently gotten sick he started 
  vomininting on the second day i took him to the vet they said he had felv 
  an that there was nothin they could do he has no fever,he weights 8 pound. 
  just throwing up they say i will have to put him down or will soon have to 
  burry him;( im not sure what to do i share my lil buddy with four kids what 
  do i do do i have to give up on him? im not ready to let him go do u 
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[john pollack]

my old vet said same thing with a 4 month old tigger... tigger passed in nov, 1 
month shy of his 5th birthday. thats why i got a new vet. tigger, 12/07-11/11 
rip buddy



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Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 
Amen to that.  Thank God I have an enlightened vet.  

 Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: 
 I agree, euthanize your vet.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Feb 23, 2012, at 9:34 PM, Christina Warden warden_christ...@yahoo.com 
 wrote:
 
  i have a male cat bout three yrs old whom recently gotten sick he started 
  vomininting on the second day i took him to the vet they said he had felv 
  an that there was nothin they could do he has no fever,he weights 8 pound. 
  just throwing up they say i will have to put him down or will soon have to 
  burry him;( im not sure what to do i share my lil buddy with four kids what 
  do i do do i have to give up on him? im not ready to let him go do u 
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[Beth]

Take him to another vet ASAP. He may have a treatable condition, not related to 
FeLV. Is he lethargic? Are his gums pink? Sounds like they looked at nothing 
once the saw he was positive. I've had many positives with various illnesses 
that they have gotten over because I had a vet that looked past the FeLV status.

 
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 From: Christina Warden warden_christ...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 10:34 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 

i have a male cat bout three yrs old whom recently gotten sick he started 
vomininting on the second day i took him to the vet they said he had felv an 
that there was nothin they could do he has no fever,he weights 8 pound. just 
throwing up they say i will have to put him down or will soon have to burry 
him;( im not sure what to do i share my lil buddy with four kids what do i do 
do i have to give up on him? im not ready to let him go do u have advice 
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[GRAS]

I agree with Beth - change vets immediately..this vet ought to be
euthanized!

If the cat has a fever, and it's also FeLV+, he needs antibiotics and
vitamin supplements in injection form ASAP If the cat is vomiting, it
could be many, many things.get another vet, because yours doesn't seem to
know anything.what would he do with the same symptoms if the cat were NOT
FeLV+

My vet is just treating our feral FIV+ cat that has a huge abscess on his
ear, and he's getting injectable antibiotics right now, as well as having
his ear treated. 

Natalie 

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 9:39 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

Take him to another vet ASAP. He may have a treatable condition, not related
to FeLV. Is he lethargic? Are his gums pink? Sounds like they looked at
nothing once the saw he was positive. I've had many positives with various
illnesses that they have gotten over because I had a vet that looked past
the FeLV status.

 
Beth

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http://www.furkids.org/ 

 

 

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From: Christina Warden warden_christ...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 10:34 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

i have a male cat bout three yrs old whom recently gotten sick he started
vomininting on the second day i took him to the vet they said he had felv an
that there was nothin they could do he has no fever,he weights 8 pound. just
throwing up they say i will have to put him down or will soon have to burry
him;( im not sure what to do i share my lil buddy with four kids what do i
do do i have to give up on him? im not ready to let him go do u have
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[Marcia]

I agree, euthanize your vet.

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 23, 2012, at 9:34 PM, Christina Warden warden_christ...@yahoo.com 
wrote:

 i have a male cat bout three yrs old whom recently gotten sick he started 
 vomininting on the second day i took him to the vet they said he had felv an 
 that there was nothin they could do he has no fever,he weights 8 pound. just 
 throwing up they say i will have to put him down or will soon have to burry 
 him;( im not sure what to do i share my lil buddy with four kids what do i do 
 do i have to give up on him? im not ready to let him go do u have advice 
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[Maureen Olvey]

No - don't give up on him.  It's too early to make any decisions.  Just because 
the vet did one blood test that said he was FeLV positive that does not mean he 
will stay that way.  The test they do in the office is a first step.  An 
indicator that further testing is required.  That's all.  The vomiting could be 
from a lot of different things and isn't necessarily related to the FeLV.  

The test they do in the office can show a false positive - in other words, the 
test could be wrong.  That does happen in a small percentage of cases.  Those 
test are sensitive and can show incorrect results if not handled correctly.  
But, assuming the test is showing correct results then there are still other 
things to look at before making any decisions.  There is a possibility that the 
cat can extinguish the virus.  A percentage of cats that get the virus are 
actually able to get rid of it.  A second test called an IFA test will show 
whether the virus has progressed to the point of no return.  If that test is 
negative then the cat still has a chance to get rid of the virus so you should 
wait a couple months or so and re-test.  If that test is positive then it's not 
likely the cat will be able to get rid of the virus so you don't need to do any 
further testing.

But no matter what the test results are it doesn't mean you have to put him 
down.  You can put him down when he's suffering and there's no relief for him.  
Euthanasia is about ending pain that cannot be treated, not ending a life 
because of what could or could not happen in the future.  You just need to take 
care of him and treat his symptoms and who knows when his time will come.  Like 
I said above, the vomiting might not even be related to FeLV.  Lots of cats 
vomit for lots of different reasons.  Now you do need to figure what's wrong 
and fix it because you don't want him to become dehydrated from all the 
vomiting.  You tell that vet to figure out what's wrong and don't just assume 
he's throwing up because he has FeLV.

I'll let others chime in but don't give up yet.  Get him over this sickness and 
just treat him whenever he gets sick but don't assume he's going to die anytime 
one little thing goes wrong.  Many cats with FeLV can live several years.  I've 
heard of 8, 9 and 10 year olds that are still kicking.  Actually there are some 
that go into their teens.  If a cat contracts FeLV when it's a kitten then they 
don't do as well and many of them will die within the first 3 years.  Not all, 
but a good bit.  But adults seem to be able to deal with it for a long time.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 19:34:48 -0800
From: warden_christ...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

i have a male cat bout three yrs old whom recently gotten sick he started 
vomininting on the second day i took him to the vet they said he had felv an 
that there was nothin they could do he has no fever,he weights 8 pound. just 
throwing up they say i will have to put him down or will soon have to burry 
him;( im not sure what to do i share my lil buddy with four kids what do i do 
do i have to give up on him? im not ready to let him go do u have advice 
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[Maureen Olvey]

Actually, what I should have said was to find another vet.  Find one that knows 
more about FeLV and knows that it is not an automatic death sentence.  Find one 
that knows about the different types of tests and is open minded about FeLV and 
treating FeLV.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 23:12:07 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)







No - don't give up on him.  It's too early to make any decisions.  Just because 
the vet did one blood test that said he was FeLV positive that does not mean he 
will stay that way.  The test they do in the office is a first step.  An 
indicator that further testing is required.  That's all.  The vomiting could be 
from a lot of different things and isn't necessarily related to the FeLV.  

The test they do in the office can show a false positive - in other words, the 
test could be wrong.  That does happen in a small percentage of cases.  Those 
test are sensitive and can show incorrect results if not handled correctly.  
But, assuming the test is showing correct results then there are still other 
things to look at before making any decisions.  There is a possibility that the 
cat can extinguish the virus.  A percentage of cats that get the virus are 
actually able to get rid of it.  A second test called an IFA test will show 
whether the virus has progressed to the point of no return.  If that test is 
negative then the cat still has a chance to get rid of the virus so you should 
wait a couple months or so and re-test.  If that test is positive then it's not 
likely the cat will be able to get rid of the virus so you don't need to do any 
further testing.

But no matter what the test results are it doesn't mean you have to put him 
down.  You can put him down when he's suffering and there's no relief for him.  
Euthanasia is about ending pain that cannot be treated, not ending a life 
because of what could or could not happen in the future.  You just need to take 
care of him and treat his symptoms and who knows when his time will come.  Like 
I said above, the vomiting might not even be related to FeLV.  Lots of cats 
vomit for lots of different reasons.  Now you do need to figure what's wrong 
and fix it because you don't want him to become dehydrated from all the 
vomiting.  You tell that vet to figure out what's wrong and don't just assume 
he's throwing up because he has FeLV.

I'll let others chime in but don't give up yet.  Get him over this sickness and 
just treat him whenever he gets sick but don't assume he's going to die anytime 
one little thing goes wrong.  Many cats with FeLV can live several years.  I've 
heard of 8, 9 and 10 year olds that are still kicking.  Actually there are some 
that go into their teens.  If a cat contracts FeLV when it's a kitten then they 
don't do as well and many of them will die within the first 3 years.  Not all, 
but a good bit.  But adults seem to be able to deal with it for a long time.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 19:34:48 -0800
From: warden_christ...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

i have a male cat bout three yrs old whom recently gotten sick he started 
vomininting on the second day i took him to the vet they said he had felv an 
that there was nothin they could do he has no fever,he weights 8 pound. just 
throwing up they say i will have to put him down or will soon have to burry 
him;( im not sure what to do i share my lil buddy with four kids what do i do 
do i have to give up on him? im not ready to let him go do u have advice 
for me thank you tina an kids
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[GRAS]

Please remember, if you add a comment to a long list of discussions, the
message becomes too large for this group (like this one) - it came back
marked as being 'reviewed.  
Now, I will erase the bottom parts, and resend it in an updated form.

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Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 8:21 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

A positive Elisa  a negative IFA means the Cat IS positive - Yes, UNLESS
the ELISA was a false positive, which means that ideally, one should retest
with the ELISA and see how it comes out (both positive or positive and
negative) and then go from there
Yes, it is amazing with all the misinformation...I remember reading things
last year that are different this year (from the same sources...) makes one
really wonder!
Natalie

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Yes, that is correct. A positive Elisa  a negative IFA means the Cat IS
positive, the virus is just not replicating in the bone marrow yet. That's
why I worry when people get so excited about a negative IFA. It really only
means the cat may still throw off the virus.
It's strange your vet didn't make that clear. But then some vets seem
clueless when it comes to this virus. 
Hoping for the best for your babies.
Beth



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[Marcia Baronda]

Lee
Absolutely wonderful advice(-:

On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:



 Sunday, February 5, 2012 3:44 PM
   My cat Moses tested positive for FeLv.  Since I have many other cats, I
 isolated him in a room in my house, retested three months later and he
 tested negative.  That was about 6 years ago.  He's still going strong and
 happy.   If Ginger is an only cat, just allow her to continue her life,
 retest in about two or three months.  Even if she's still positive, that's
 NOT a death sentence if she's happy and free from stress and physical
 danger. Feed her good food, clean water.  Think simple.  If she has a
 problem with something, it may be just a normal cat situation, not related
 to leukemia but always have it checked out.  Most important, get a second
 opinion and a vet who is going to treat Ginger as if she has years of life
 ahead of her. Be happy and don't look at her as if she's a pending
 fatality.  Look at her the same way you have been doing all along.  A
 wonderful cat enjoying her life.

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[GRAS]

Hi, everyone:

OK - I guess this is where I should come in and explain about what happened
to me, based on the note below:

If anyone can remember, about 3 1/2 yrs ago, Eliot Spitty,  was diagnosed by
the ELISA test to be FeLV positive.  I couldn't find him a home, so I found
another positive cat for him after 2 years of him being all alone (they
became close buddies almost overnight). After I joined the group, I learned
about the IFA test, had them both tested in June, they were negative.  I
introduced them to the rest of the cats (I operate a cat rescue group from
our home).  Eliot died of renal failure in September (euthanized), and Mr.
Tux being such a snuggle bunny, was adopted three weeks ago to a home where
another cat was adopted from me over 10 years ago.  A week ago, Mr. Tux
started losing appetite, and developed 105 temperature.  The woman's sister
is a veterinarian, knowing his history, she immediately tested him ELISA 
IFA - both were positive, and his virus is already in his bone marrow. They
are heartbroken because their 7-yr old daughter and Mr. Tux fell in love at
first sight - he slept under her arm, the other cat, Riley, at her side.
The cats were friendly, but not close (but as we know, FeLV is a very sneaky
virus). They will have to test Riley in about 5 weeks, Mr. Tux went to live
with the vet who has a real animal-loving 3-yr old and a dog (Mr. Tux likes
dogs). Bottom line is:  All my cats have been exposed to Eliot and Mr. Tux
since mid-June.  Since the youngest and oldest or not-so-healthy cats are at
most risk, I started with our 6-month old Hammie who was only 5 weeks old
when he came to us.  We also tested a cat that had to have another blood
tests for his ongoing renal problem - both were NEGATIVE! However, little
Hammie has a 1045.2 temperature, yet was exposed to Mr. Tux long enough to
have shown reliable results.  Hammie had an episode of unknown origin in
September, of 104.4 temperature.

I will test the youngest ones first, then the oldest and weakest.  The
middle class will come last.  I don't know what the results will be, I
hope that they're all OK - but if it isn't, I am already doing research into
natural things, changing their diets (even if it means I have to cook for
them).  I am re-reading Anitra Frazier's The New Natural Cat and Dr.
Pitcairn's Natural Health for Dogs and Cats - have had the books for years.
Will also check out my Nicholas Dodd The Cat that Cried for Help, maybe
there's some advice ion there.

The more I read about the tests, the more it becomes obvious that even if
the IFA comes back negative after a positive ELISA, it only means that the
virus just isn't in the bone marrow yet.  If the cat tests positive on ELISA
and negative on a follow-up ELISA, then the cat is negative.  Unless, of
course, the ELISA was a false positive, and again a false positive, which I
assume can also happen - there are so many variables, and it's a shame that
so many false positives occur, and so many vets tell people to euthanize
their cats just because they have tested positive.

I have privately sent some info I found to the other two who have reported
cats diagnosed with FeLV, too large to send to this group. I will send it to
Lee as well.

I am keeping my hopes up that my household won't become a FeLV clinic..

Natalie

=^..^=

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 4:31 PM
To: felvtalk
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

 

 

Sunday, February 5, 2012 3:44 PM

My cat Moses tested positive for FeLv.  Since I have many other cats, I
isolated him in a room in my house, retested three months later and he
tested negative.  That was about 6 years ago.  He's still going strong and
happy.   If Ginger is an only cat, just allow her to continue her life,
retest in about two or three months.  Even if she's still positive, that's
NOT a death sentence if she's happy and free from stress and physical
danger. Feed her good food, clean water.  Think simple.  If she has a
problem with something, it may be just a normal cat situation, not related
to leukemia but always have it checked out.  Most important, get a second
opinion and a vet who is going to treat Ginger as if she has years of life
ahead of her. Be happy and don't look at her as if she's a pending fatality.
Look at her the same way you have been doing all along.  A wonderful cat
enjoying her life.



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[Beth]

Yes, that is correct. A positive Elisa  a negative IFA means the Cat IS 
positive, the virus is just not replicating in the bone marrow yet. That's why 
I worry when people get so excited about a negative IFA. It really only means 
the cat may still throw off the virus.
It's strange your vet didn't make that clear. But then some vets seem clueless 
when it comes to this virus. 
Hoping for the best for your babies.
Beth

GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote:

Hi, everyone:

OK - I guess this is where I should come in and explain about what happened
to me, based on the note below:

If anyone can remember, about 3 1/2 yrs ago, Eliot Spitty,  was diagnosed by
the ELISA test to be FeLV positive.  I couldn't find him a home, so I found
another positive cat for him after 2 years of him being all alone (they
became close buddies almost overnight). After I joined the group, I learned
about the IFA test, had them both tested in June, they were negative.  I
introduced them to the rest of the cats (I operate a cat rescue group from
our home).  Eliot died of renal failure in September (euthanized), and Mr.
Tux being such a snuggle bunny, was adopted three weeks ago to a home where
another cat was adopted from me over 10 years ago.  A week ago, Mr. Tux
started losing appetite, and developed 105 temperature.  The woman's sister
is a veterinarian, knowing his history, she immediately tested him ELISA 
IFA - both were positive, and his virus is already in his bone marrow. They
are heartbroken because their 7-yr old daughter and Mr. Tux fell in love at
first sight - he slept under her arm, the other cat, Riley, at her side.
The cats were friendly, but not close (but as we know, FeLV is a very sneaky
virus). They will have to test Riley in about 5 weeks, Mr. Tux went to live
with the vet who has a real animal-loving 3-yr old and a dog (Mr. Tux likes
dogs). Bottom line is:  All my cats have been exposed to Eliot and Mr. Tux
since mid-June.  Since the youngest and oldest or not-so-healthy cats are at
most risk, I started with our 6-month old Hammie who was only 5 weeks old
when he came to us.  We also tested a cat that had to have another blood
tests for his ongoing renal problem - both were NEGATIVE! However, little
Hammie has a 1045.2 temperature, yet was exposed to Mr. Tux long enough to
have shown reliable results.  Hammie had an episode of unknown origin in
September, of 104.4 temperature.

I will test the youngest ones first, then the oldest and weakest.  The
middle class will come last.  I don't know what the results will be, I
hope that they're all OK - but if it isn't, I am already doing research into
natural things, changing their diets (even if it means I have to cook for
them).  I am re-reading Anitra Frazier's The New Natural Cat and Dr.
Pitcairn's Natural Health for Dogs and Cats - have had the books for years.
Will also check out my Nicholas Dodd The Cat that Cried for Help, maybe
there's some advice ion there.

The more I read about the tests, the more it becomes obvious that even if
the IFA comes back negative after a positive ELISA, it only means that the
virus just isn't in the bone marrow yet.  If the cat tests positive on ELISA
and negative on a follow-up ELISA, then the cat is negative.  Unless, of
course, the ELISA was a false positive, and again a false positive, which I
assume can also happen - there are so many variables, and it's a shame that
so many false positives occur, and so many vets tell people to euthanize
their cats just because they have tested positive.

I have privately sent some info I found to the other two who have reported
cats diagnosed with FeLV, too large to send to this group. I will send it to
Lee as well.

I am keeping my hopes up that my household won't become a FeLV clinic..

Natalie

=^..^=

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 4:31 PM
To: felvtalk
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

 

 

Sunday, February 5, 2012 3:44 PM

My cat Moses tested positive for FeLv.  Since I have many other cats, I
isolated him in a room in my house, retested three months later and he
tested negative.  That was about 6 years ago.  He's still going strong and
happy.   If Ginger is an only cat, just allow her to continue her life,
retest in about two or three months.  Even if she's still positive, that's
NOT a death sentence if she's happy and free from stress and physical
danger. Feed her good food, clean water.  Think simple.  If she has a
problem with something, it may be just a normal cat situation, not related
to leukemia but always have it checked out.  Most important, get a second
opinion and a vet who is going to treat Ginger as if she has years of life
ahead of her. Be happy and don't look at her as if she's a pending fatality.
Look at her the same way you have been doing all along.  A wonderful cat
enjoying her life.




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[GRAS]

A positive Elisa  a negative IFA means the Cat IS positive - Yes, UNLESS
the ELISA was a false positive, which means that ideally, one should retest
with the ELISA and see how it comes out (both positive or positive and
negative) and then go from there
Yes, it is amazing with all the misinformation...I remember reading things
last year that are different this year (from the same sources...) makes one
really wonder!
Natalie

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 7:22 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

Yes, that is correct. A positive Elisa  a negative IFA means the Cat IS
positive, the virus is just not replicating in the bone marrow yet. That's
why I worry when people get so excited about a negative IFA. It really only
means the cat may still throw off the virus.
It's strange your vet didn't make that clear. But then some vets seem
clueless when it comes to this virus. 
Hoping for the best for your babies.
Beth

GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote:

Hi, everyone:

OK - I guess this is where I should come in and explain about what 
happened to me, based on the note below:

If anyone can remember, about 3 1/2 yrs ago, Eliot Spitty,  was 
diagnosed by the ELISA test to be FeLV positive.  I couldn't find him a 
home, so I found another positive cat for him after 2 years of him 
being all alone (they became close buddies almost overnight). After I 
joined the group, I learned about the IFA test, had them both tested in 
June, they were negative.  I introduced them to the rest of the cats (I 
operate a cat rescue group from our home).  Eliot died of renal failure in
September (euthanized), and Mr.
Tux being such a snuggle bunny, was adopted three weeks ago to a home 
where another cat was adopted from me over 10 years ago.  A week ago, 
Mr. Tux started losing appetite, and developed 105 temperature.  The 
woman's sister is a veterinarian, knowing his history, she immediately 
tested him ELISA  IFA - both were positive, and his virus is already 
in his bone marrow. They are heartbroken because their 7-yr old 
daughter and Mr. Tux fell in love at first sight - he slept under her arm,
the other cat, Riley, at her side.
The cats were friendly, but not close (but as we know, FeLV is a very 
sneaky virus). They will have to test Riley in about 5 weeks, Mr. Tux 
went to live with the vet who has a real animal-loving 3-yr old and a 
dog (Mr. Tux likes dogs). Bottom line is:  All my cats have been 
exposed to Eliot and Mr. Tux since mid-June.  Since the youngest and 
oldest or not-so-healthy cats are at most risk, I started with our 
6-month old Hammie who was only 5 weeks old when he came to us.  We 
also tested a cat that had to have another blood tests for his ongoing 
renal problem - both were NEGATIVE! However, little Hammie has a 1045.2 
temperature, yet was exposed to Mr. Tux long enough to have shown 
reliable results.  Hammie had an episode of unknown origin in September, of
104.4 temperature.

I will test the youngest ones first, then the oldest and weakest.  The 
middle class will come last.  I don't know what the results will be, 
I hope that they're all OK - but if it isn't, I am already doing 
research into natural things, changing their diets (even if it means I 
have to cook for them).  I am re-reading Anitra Frazier's The New Natural
Cat and Dr.
Pitcairn's Natural Health for Dogs and Cats - have had the books for years.
Will also check out my Nicholas Dodd The Cat that Cried for Help, maybe 
there's some advice ion there.

The more I read about the tests, the more it becomes obvious that even 
if the IFA comes back negative after a positive ELISA, it only means 
that the virus just isn't in the bone marrow yet.  If the cat tests 
positive on ELISA and negative on a follow-up ELISA, then the cat is 
negative.  Unless, of course, the ELISA was a false positive, and again 
a false positive, which I assume can also happen - there are so many 
variables, and it's a shame that so many false positives occur, and so 
many vets tell people to euthanize their cats just because they have tested
positive.

I have privately sent some info I found to the other two who have 
reported cats diagnosed with FeLV, too large to send to this group. I 
will send it to Lee as well.

I am keeping my hopes up that my household won't become a FeLV clinic..

Natalie

=^..^=

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 4:31 PM
To: felvtalk
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

 

 

Sunday, February 5, 2012 3:44 PM

My cat Moses tested positive for FeLv.  Since I have many other cats, I 
isolated him in a room in my house, retested three months later and he 
tested negative.  That was about 6 years ago.  He's still going strong and
happy.   If Ginger is an only cat, just

Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Beth]

Yes, alwsys retest on a positive SNAP test, but there seems to be a lot of 
people who think a negstive IFA means the cat is negative. Thats just as scary 
as people not understanding to always retest a positive.

GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote:

A positive Elisa  a negative IFA means the Cat IS positive - Yes, UNLESS
the ELISA was a false positive, which means that ideally, one should retest
with the ELISA and see how it comes out (both positive or positive and
negative) and then go from there
Yes, it is amazing with all the misinformation...I remember reading things
last year that are different this year (from the same sources...) makes one
really wonder!
Natalie

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 7:22 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

Yes, that is correct. A positive Elisa  a negative IFA means the Cat IS
positive, the virus is just not replicating in the bone marrow yet. That's
why I worry when people get so excited about a negative IFA. It really only
means the cat may still throw off the virus.
It's strange your vet didn't make that clear. But then some vets seem
clueless when it comes to this virus. 
Hoping for the best for your babies.
Beth

GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote:

Hi, everyone:

OK - I guess this is where I should come in and explain about what 
happened to me, based on the note below:

If anyone can remember, about 3 1/2 yrs ago, Eliot Spitty,  was 
diagnosed by the ELISA test to be FeLV positive.  I couldn't find him a 
home, so I found another positive cat for him after 2 years of him 
being all alone (they became close buddies almost overnight). After I 
joined the group, I learned about the IFA test, had them both tested in 
June, they were negative.  I introduced them to the rest of the cats (I 
operate a cat rescue group from our home).  Eliot died of renal failure in
September (euthanized), and Mr.
Tux being such a snuggle bunny, was adopted three weeks ago to a home 
where another cat was adopted from me over 10 years ago.  A week ago, 
Mr. Tux started losing appetite, and developed 105 temperature.  The 
woman's sister is a veterinarian, knowing his history, she immediately 
tested him ELISA  IFA - both were positive, and his virus is already 
in his bone marrow. They are heartbroken because their 7-yr old 
daughter and Mr. Tux fell in love at first sight - he slept under her arm,
the other cat, Riley, at her side.
The cats were friendly, but not close (but as we know, FeLV is a very 
sneaky virus). They will have to test Riley in about 5 weeks, Mr. Tux 
went to live with the vet who has a real animal-loving 3-yr old and a 
dog (Mr. Tux likes dogs). Bottom line is:  All my cats have been 
exposed to Eliot and Mr. Tux since mid-June.  Since the youngest and 
oldest or not-so-healthy cats are at most risk, I started with our 
6-month old Hammie who was only 5 weeks old when he came to us.  We 
also tested a cat that had to have another blood tests for his ongoing 
renal problem - both were NEGATIVE! However, little Hammie has a 1045.2 
temperature, yet was exposed to Mr. Tux long enough to have shown 
reliable results.  Hammie had an episode of unknown origin in September, of
104.4 temperature.

I will test the youngest ones first, then the oldest and weakest.  The 
middle class will come last.  I don't know what the results will be, 
I hope that they're all OK - but if it isn't, I am already doing 
research into natural things, changing their diets (even if it means I 
have to cook for them).  I am re-reading Anitra Frazier's The New Natural
Cat and Dr.
Pitcairn's Natural Health for Dogs and Cats - have had the books for years.
Will also check out my Nicholas Dodd The Cat that Cried for Help, maybe 
there's some advice ion there.

The more I read about the tests, the more it becomes obvious that even 
if the IFA comes back negative after a positive ELISA, it only means 
that the virus just isn't in the bone marrow yet.  If the cat tests 
positive on ELISA and negative on a follow-up ELISA, then the cat is 
negative.  Unless, of course, the ELISA was a false positive, and again 
a false positive, which I assume can also happen - there are so many 
variables, and it's a shame that so many false positives occur, and so 
many vets tell people to euthanize their cats just because they have tested
positive.

I have privately sent some info I found to the other two who have 
reported cats diagnosed with FeLV, too large to send to this group. I 
will send it to Lee as well.

I am keeping my hopes up that my household won't become a FeLV clinic..

Natalie

=^..^=

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 4:31 PM
To: felvtalk
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

 

 

Sunday, February 5, 2012 3:44 PM

My cat Moses

Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Maureen Olvey]

Natalie,

It could be that Mr. Tux had the FeLV virus but it was dormant.  When it is 
dormant they won't test positive on either test and they can't spread it.  
Maybe the stress of changing homes re-activated the virus.  If that was the 
case then none of your cats have been exposed to it.  Let's hope it was 
something like that so none of your cats have been exposed and they will all be 
negative.

Maureen

 Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 21:30:30 -0500
 From: create_me_...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 
 Yes, alwsys retest on a positive SNAP test, but there seems to be a lot of 
 people who think a negstive IFA means the cat is negative. Thats just as 
 scary as people not understanding to always retest a positive.
 
 GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote:
 
 A positive Elisa  a negative IFA means the Cat IS positive - Yes, UNLESS
 the ELISA was a false positive, which means that ideally, one should retest
 with the ELISA and see how it comes out (both positive or positive and
 negative) and then go from there
 Yes, it is amazing with all the misinformation...I remember reading things
 last year that are different this year (from the same sources...) makes one
 really wonder!
 Natalie
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
 Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 7:22 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 
 Yes, that is correct. A positive Elisa  a negative IFA means the Cat IS
 positive, the virus is just not replicating in the bone marrow yet. That's
 why I worry when people get so excited about a negative IFA. It really only
 means the cat may still throw off the virus.
 It's strange your vet didn't make that clear. But then some vets seem
 clueless when it comes to this virus. 
 Hoping for the best for your babies.
 Beth
 
 GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote:
 
 Hi, everyone:
 
 OK - I guess this is where I should come in and explain about what 
 happened to me, based on the note below:
 
 If anyone can remember, about 3 1/2 yrs ago, Eliot Spitty,  was 
 diagnosed by the ELISA test to be FeLV positive.  I couldn't find him a 
 home, so I found another positive cat for him after 2 years of him 
 being all alone (they became close buddies almost overnight). After I 
 joined the group, I learned about the IFA test, had them both tested in 
 June, they were negative.  I introduced them to the rest of the cats (I 
 operate a cat rescue group from our home).  Eliot died of renal failure in
 September (euthanized), and Mr.
 Tux being such a snuggle bunny, was adopted three weeks ago to a home 
 where another cat was adopted from me over 10 years ago.  A week ago, 
 Mr. Tux started losing appetite, and developed 105 temperature.  The 
 woman's sister is a veterinarian, knowing his history, she immediately 
 tested him ELISA  IFA - both were positive, and his virus is already 
 in his bone marrow. They are heartbroken because their 7-yr old 
 daughter and Mr. Tux fell in love at first sight - he slept under her arm,
 the other cat, Riley, at her side.
 The cats were friendly, but not close (but as we know, FeLV is a very 
 sneaky virus). They will have to test Riley in about 5 weeks, Mr. Tux 
 went to live with the vet who has a real animal-loving 3-yr old and a 
 dog (Mr. Tux likes dogs). Bottom line is:  All my cats have been 
 exposed to Eliot and Mr. Tux since mid-June.  Since the youngest and 
 oldest or not-so-healthy cats are at most risk, I started with our 
 6-month old Hammie who was only 5 weeks old when he came to us.  We 
 also tested a cat that had to have another blood tests for his ongoing 
 renal problem - both were NEGATIVE! However, little Hammie has a 1045.2 
 temperature, yet was exposed to Mr. Tux long enough to have shown 
 reliable results.  Hammie had an episode of unknown origin in September, of
 104.4 temperature.
 
 I will test the youngest ones first, then the oldest and weakest.  The 
 middle class will come last.  I don't know what the results will be, 
 I hope that they're all OK - but if it isn't, I am already doing 
 research into natural things, changing their diets (even if it means I 
 have to cook for them).  I am re-reading Anitra Frazier's The New Natural
 Cat and Dr.
 Pitcairn's Natural Health for Dogs and Cats - have had the books for years.
 Will also check out my Nicholas Dodd The Cat that Cried for Help, maybe 
 there's some advice ion there.
 
 The more I read about the tests, the more it becomes obvious that even 
 if the IFA comes back negative after a positive ELISA, it only means 
 that the virus just isn't in the bone marrow yet.  If the cat tests 
 positive on ELISA and negative on a follow-up ELISA, then the cat is 
 negative.  Unless, of course, the ELISA was a false positive, and again 
 a false positive, which I assume can also happen - there are so many 
 variables, and it's a shame that so

Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[dlgegg]

My 2 felv cats are part of a 7 cat pride.  They share everything
, have an occassional boxing. hissing match, go outside (usually for 2 hrs) in 
nice weather and get lots of attention, love .  The others all get their 
vaccination for felv.  They have been together for almost 5 years now and all 
are health, happy, contented cats.  I think the most important factors are good 
food, love, lack of stress  and prompt vet care.  My 2 girls couldn't be 
healthier, sleek, shiny coats, well muscled and spoiled rotten.  Don't despair. 
 Love them and lt them enjoy the life they are meant to have, that is ll we can 
do.  The rest is up to God.

 Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: 
  
 
Sunday, February 5, 2012 3:44 PM
My cat Moses tested positive for FeLv.  Since I have many other cats, I 
isolated him in a room in my house, retested three months later and he tested 
negative.  That was about 6 years ago.  He's still going strong and happy.   If 
Ginger is an only cat, just allow her to continue her life, retest in about two 
or three months.  Even if she's still positive, that's NOT a death sentence if 
she's happy and free from stress and physical danger. Feed her good food, clean 
water.  Think simple.  If she has a problem with something, it may be just a 
normal cat situation, not related to leukemia but always have it checked out.  
Most important, get a second opinion and a vet who is going to treat Ginger as 
if she has years of life ahead of her. Be happy and don't look at her as if 
she's a pending fatality.  Look at her the same way you have been doing all 
along.  A wonderful cat enjoying her life.



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[Natalie]

It seems that Christy's address book was hacked; this is the second one this
afternoon/evening - they are probably sending this to all her personal
contacts. It always has to do with those cheap pharmaceutical sites.
This happened to several friends of ours...not sure what they did about it,
though.
Natalie

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[Katy Doyle]

Umm... I live 20 minutes from Lexington. I'm driving to Cincinnati area the 
evening of the 22nd. But that is as far as I can drive the cat.

Call if you want me to do that leg of the transport. 502-545-8025

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 19, 2010, at 4:05 PM, Dawn Bartholomew dba...@ptd.net wrote:

 My Buddy Cat died in September from FeLV.  I finally found another kitty that 
 I would like to adopt from a shelter from KY near Lexington.
 I live in PA.  Does anyone live near Lexington?  I would be willing to pay 
 for gas and an extra $100 if someone can drive half way (4-5 hours) and meet 
 me.
 I want to surprise my daughter and husband for Christmas.
 
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[Kelley Saveika]

Not all rescues act the way you described in your first paragraph.  We had a
cat come up double positive (FELV/FIV) , did a confirmatory IFA test, and
adopted her out to someone on this list:)

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Twisted Princess 
twistedprinces...@yahoo.com wrote:

 georgetta,
 what a heart warming story! from what i understand, many if not most
 rescues never even give a cat who produces a positive result on the fist
 test even a chance to be tested with the confirmation test. in fact many pet
 owners don't either.
 with the pet owners it is possible that the vet never even tells them any
 thing other than their cat has feline leukemia or that their cat tested
 positive for feline leukemia. the cat owner hasn't a clue that the initial
 test should be followed by a confimation test. others can't afford to do
 much more  and end up having the cat euthanized. and many who can afford it
 simply don't want to spend much money on something they consider as just a
 cat.

 with rescues, i can understand them not going further than the first test.
 i don't necessarily agree with that but i can understand it. however, i feel
 it was unfair of your fostering friends trying to pressure you into having
 the kiitten euthanized. i'm sure they meant well but personally i think they
 were out of line.

 be proud that you stood your ground and continued to try and find placement
 for wisp. the odds were stacked against you, it's hard enough to find a good
 home for any cat or kitten might less one that has felv. but luckily for you
 and wisp, you beat some pretty tough odds.

 i would imagine that michael will let you return to visit wisp if you are
 willing to make the drive now and then. it sounds like he might also keep
 you updated every so often on wisps condition. sounds like a good deal to
 me! wisp's life will undoubtedly be cut short but at least it sounds like
 what time he does have here on earth will be happy with good times with many
 other kitty friends and wonderful caring human friends. although his time is
 short, i'm sure he will have had a happier life than what many other less
 fortunate cats have had, whether they lived a short life or a long life.

 thanks for sharing an upbeat message and thanks for all the fostering you
 do and thanks for not giving in and for continuing to try and find good
 placement for wisp. i just wish more people were like you. best wishes for
 wisp's future and best wishes to you. i hope that this will be your only
 experience with any cat diseases and  that all of your future foster babies
 will be healthy.

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[Laurieskatz]

Sally, Thank-you very much for this info!
Laurie

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of S. Jewell
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 3:24 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; 'Sara Kasteleyn'
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

Sara, 
 
With regard to your recent post, I wanted to offer info
available on the site of Wendell Belfield, DVM and in his
book, The Very Healthy Cat
http://www.belfield.com/books.php# Book.   Dr. Belfield
reports that he has reversed FeLV in young cats where the
disease has not yet progressed to the bone marrow with high
dose ascorbate (vitamin C).  See
http://www.belfield.com/pet_health_art2.php.  I work in the
distribution of Pauling's high dose vitamin C/lysine therapy
for removing arterial blockages (www.HeartTech.com
http://www.hearttech.com/ ) and am familiar with Dr.
Belfield through Dr. Linus Pauling, as they were friends and
colleagues.  In fact, Dr. Pauling wrote the foreword for Dr.
Belfield's book.  
 
Anyway, there is excellent information in Dr. Belfield's
book about giving high dose vitamin C to FeLV+ cats to
reverse the disease, provided it has not yet reached the
bone marrow.   Dr. Belfield, though now retired, has been
willing to speak with me personally several times about this
and I have used his product Mega C Plus, available from
http://www.belfield.com/ www.Belfield.com.  Though I was
not able to save my Lukey because his disease had already
progressed too far when I learned of Belfield's protocol, it
may not be too late to reverse your boys with the Imulan
LTCI and Belfield's vitamin C protocol.  Alternatively, I
have also been using intravenous vitamin C on one of my
FeLV+ cats with lymphoma and he has now survived for
one-and-a-half years beyond the date that his original vet
said he should have died.  He is happy, healthy and eating
well, and in fact, though we expected him to predecease his
FeLV+ buddy Lukey, Linus is still going strong while my
darling Lukey died October 1 from his disease (we were not
using the intravenous C on Lukey because he was seemingly
healthy and we really couldn't afford to do two cats on this
treatment at once).  FYI, they tolerate the intravenous C
VERY well and there are no known side effects with IV C at
high doses for FeLV.  If these two were mine, I would do
everything in my power to find a vet in your area who would
be willing to administer the IV C to these young cats who
have yet no evidence of the disease in their bone marrow.  I
would recommend a drip at least two days a week and also
supplementing their food with the Mega C Plus available from
www.Belfield.com.  If you need more info about the protocol,
feel free to ask. 
 
Vets and others will tell you that cats and dogs make their
own vitamin C and do not requirement supplemental C.  While
it is true that they do synthesize ascorbate in the liver
from glucose, because of their domestication cats and dogs
make the least amount of vitamin C of all animals and this
is why  they develop illnesses similar to humans who lack
the enzyme L-gulonolactone oxidase (GLO) to make vitamin C
in the liver including upper respiratory, cancers, etc.
Along with humans, guinea pigs, primates and fruit bats also
cannot make vitamin C in the liver.  Vitamin C is required
by these species at very high doses (far greater than the
RDA).  
 
E.g., an adult rabbit makes the human equivalent of 15,000
mg of vitamin C in the liver each day and even more under
stress, while a cat makes only 2800 mg.  This is a must read
site for info on vitamin C in veterinary use.
http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/197x/belfield-w-j_int
_assn_prev_med-1978-v2-n3-p10.htm
 
 

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[dlgegg]

wow!  I AM A BIT LATE TO BE CHIMING ON ON THIS, BUT WHAT PSYCO WARD DID THAT 
VET COME FROM?  boy am i glad i have a different kind of vet.  he gives 
alternatives for pos kitties.  glad he did, because i have 2 of the most 
adorable girls i have ever had because of his wisdom.  they are both healthy, 
sometimes act a bit crazy, but i put that down to being alpha females.  i now 
have 4 of them battling for top spot.  it is now down to a growling/hissing and 
slappig point.  dorlis
 MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote: 
 absolutely, tad, and what's worse, is that it's still happening with
 FIVs, even, with less rationale.
 
 if so many vets weren't themselves ignorant of the research, and the
 fact that for many YEARS, all the textbooks and associations have said
 never to make a life-or-death decision on an asymptomatic cat without
 a second test, we could go to the state vet assns and try to make a
 case for willful ignorance. but it's the professionals who are often
 the worse: just last month, in wichita, KS, a vet who tested a kitten
 and got a positive result flipped out, ranting about how she would
 have to close down her clinic for 48 hours to fumigate it; she and her
 staff were running around wiping down everything in the room, even tho
 the kitten hadn't been on those surfaces.
 
 i don't know how to fight this level of professional ignorance, nor
 how to expect shelters and rescues to know any better.
 
 
 
 -- 
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 Maybe That'll Make The Difference
 
 MaryChristine
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 Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team)
 
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[jbero tds.net]

Sally,

I hope this gets to you.  I don't always get all of the emails from this
group so I hope you get this one.

I just wanted to answer your question about diarrhea.  Diarrhea can be
difficult to diagnose a cause.  In general, the first thing I would rule out
are intestinal parasites - a stool sample helps (unless you are quite
confident this is not likely - than it's just a waste of money).

Second, bacterial and viral gastroenteritis (inflammation of the GI tract)
can cause diarrhea - this may be secondary to antibiotic use or simply due
to a failing immune system.  If he's on an antibiotic I would try giving the
antibiotic with food and using a probiotic like Acidophilus.  It is a
bacteria that coats the intestinal lining and blocks bad bacteria from
causing infection.  You can get it at Walgreens - just divide the
recommended human dose by 15 and you should be pretty close to a cat's
needs.

Other causes could be a change in food, stress, GI auto inflammatory
disease, etc.
If this is a relatively new development it is probably either parasitic,
bacterial/viral, secondary to oral antibiotic use, or stress (physical
or emmotional)

I would probably just give Acidophilus a try, since it is easy to use,
doesn't require a prescription and has a low potential for bad side
effects.  If I suspected worms, I would bring a stool sample to the vet and
finally, if nothing else turns up I may request Metronidazole from the vet
(if they were willing to try it) - it is an antiobiotic that treats
anaerobic bacteria and some protozoan infections that are hard to pick up on
a stool sample and commonly cause GI upset.

Hope that helps.

Jenny


On 9/8/09, S. Jewell ssjew...@bellsouth.net wrote:

 Wow, Jenny, that's a WONDERFUL report and very encouraging
 to me and many others, I'm sure.



 At your suggestion (and thanks for the e-mail and phone
 messages), I began Lukey's syringe feeding yesterday with
 A/D and Gatorade.  He did very well with both.



 I'm on my way out to feed him again this morning and then
 taking him back to the vet to put him on intravenous fluids
 and vitamin C to help with whatever infection may be going
 on, if any.  Still not sure about what is causing the fever
 because his blood work was normal last Thursday except for a
 borderline low lymphocyte count and mild anemia (don't
 recall the numbers right now).  The fluids seem to help the
 fever a lot, though, so it may in fact be from dehydration.
 We may go ahead and start him on antibiotics as well to be
 on the safe side, and he will be evaluated today as to any
 need for a transfusion, though I don't believe his anemia is
 that severe yet.



 One question:  He appears to have some diarrhea, first
 noticed on Saturday.  Do you have any thoughts about what
 might be causing the diarrhea or has Autumn experienced
 this?  It was before his first LTCI shot, also given on
 Saturday.



 Thanks again for the wonderful and promising news.  I have
 been so depressed all weekend and this certainly gives me
 hope for my Lukey.



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[S. Jewell]

Thanks so much, Jenny.  His stools are firming up again and
we're not sure what the problem was/is.  Stool sample was
negative for parasites.  No antibiotic use.  His blood count
yesterday was stable - not improved but no worse since his
last blood work on 9/3.  He had his first shot of LTCI on
Saturday.  Reticulocytes were minimally improved from his
blood work on Friday.  RBCs just a tad lower but not
drastically.  I am still syringe feeding him daily and his
weight is holding.  Now if we can just get a couple more
LTCI shots on board and keep him stable until they have time
to work.Vet advised against a blood transfusion right
now because of the possible side effects and because he
seems to be maintaining and is not critically anemic.  

Thanks for your detailed response, Jenny.  I know the time
it takes to respond to others and I am very appreciative of
your efforts.  I hope Autumn continues to do well and will
look forward to additional reports on her. 

Thanks again,

Sally Jewell

 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-
 boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of jbero tds.net
 Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:07 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 
 Sally,
 
 I hope this gets to you.  I don't always get all of the
emails from
 this
 group so I hope you get this one.
 
 I just wanted to answer your question about diarrhea.
Diarrhea
 can be
 difficult to diagnose a cause.  In general, the first
thing I would
 rule out
 are intestinal parasites - a stool sample helps (unless
you are
 quite
 confident this is not likely - than it's just a waste of
money).
 
 Second, bacterial and viral gastroenteritis (inflammation
of the GI
 tract)
 can cause diarrhea - this may be secondary to antibiotic
use or
 simply due
 to a failing immune system.  If he's on an antibiotic I
would try
 giving the
 antibiotic with food and using a probiotic like
Acidophilus.  It is a
 bacteria that coats the intestinal lining and blocks bad
bacteria
 from
 causing infection.  You can get it at Walgreens - just
divide the
 recommended human dose by 15 and you should be pretty
close
 to a cat's
 needs.
 
 Other causes could be a change in food, stress, GI auto
 inflammatory
 disease, etc.
 If this is a relatively new development it is probably
either
 parasitic,
 bacterial/viral, secondary to oral antibiotic use, or
stress (physical
 or emmotional)
 
 I would probably just give Acidophilus a try, since it is
easy to
 use,
 doesn't require a prescription and has a low potential for
bad side
 effects.  If I suspected worms, I would bring a stool
sample to the
 vet and
 finally, if nothing else turns up I may request
Metronidazole from
 the vet
 (if they were willing to try it) - it is an antiobiotic
that treats
 anaerobic bacteria and some protozoan infections that are
hard
 to pick up on
 a stool sample and commonly cause GI upset.
 
 Hope that helps.
 
 Jenny
 
 
 On 9/8/09, S. Jewell ssjew...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 
  Wow, Jenny, that's a WONDERFUL report and very
 encouraging
  to me and many others, I'm sure.
 
 
 
  At your suggestion (and thanks for the e-mail and phone
  messages), I began Lukey's syringe feeding yesterday
with
  A/D and Gatorade.  He did very well with both.
 
 
 
  I'm on my way out to feed him again this morning and
then
  taking him back to the vet to put him on intravenous
fluids
  and vitamin C to help with whatever infection may be
going
  on, if any.  Still not sure about what is causing the
fever
  because his blood work was normal last Thursday except
for a
  borderline low lymphocyte count and mild anemia (don't
  recall the numbers right now).  The fluids seem to help
the
  fever a lot, though, so it may in fact be from
dehydration.
  We may go ahead and start him on antibiotics as well to
be
  on the safe side, and he will be evaluated today as to
any
  need for a transfusion, though I don't believe his
anemia is
  that severe yet.
 
 
 
  One question:  He appears to have some diarrhea, first
  noticed on Saturday.  Do you have any thoughts about
what
  might be causing the diarrhea or has Autumn experienced
  this?  It was before his first LTCI shot, also given on
  Saturday.
 
 
 
  Thanks again for the wonderful and promising news.  I
have
  been so depressed all weekend and this certainly gives
me
  hope for my Lukey.
 
 
 
  Sally
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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[S. Jewell]

Thanks so much, Jenny.  His stools are firming up again and
we're not sure what the problem was/is.  Stool sample was
negative for parasites.  No antibiotic use.  His blood count
yesterday was stable - not improved but no worse since his
last blood work on 9/3.  He had his first shot of LTCI on
Saturday.  Reticulocytes were minimally improved from his
blood work on Friday.  RBCs just a tad lower but not
drastically.  I am still syringe feeding him daily and his
weight is holding.  Now if we can just get a couple more
LTCI shots on board and keep him stable until they have time
to work.Vet advised against a blood transfusion right
now because of the possible side effects and because he
seems to be maintaining and is not critically anemic.  

Thanks for your detailed response, Jenny.  I know the time
it takes to respond to others and I am very appreciative of
your efforts.  I hope Autumn continues to do well and will
look forward to additional reports on her. 

Thanks again,

Sally Jewell

 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-
 boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of jbero tds.net
 Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:07 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 
 Sally,
 
 I hope this gets to you.  I don't always get all of the
emails from
 this
 group so I hope you get this one.
 
 I just wanted to answer your question about diarrhea.
Diarrhea
 can be
 difficult to diagnose a cause.  In general, the first
thing I would
 rule out
 are intestinal parasites - a stool sample helps (unless
you are
 quite
 confident this is not likely - than it's just a waste of
money).
 
 Second, bacterial and viral gastroenteritis (inflammation
of the GI
 tract)
 can cause diarrhea - this may be secondary to antibiotic
use or
 simply due
 to a failing immune system.  If he's on an antibiotic I
would try
 giving the
 antibiotic with food and using a probiotic like
Acidophilus.  It is a
 bacteria that coats the intestinal lining and blocks bad
bacteria
 from
 causing infection.  You can get it at Walgreens - just
divide the
 recommended human dose by 15 and you should be pretty
close
 to a cat's
 needs.
 
 Other causes could be a change in food, stress, GI auto
 inflammatory
 disease, etc.
 If this is a relatively new development it is probably
either
 parasitic,
 bacterial/viral, secondary to oral antibiotic use, or
stress (physical
 or emmotional)
 
 I would probably just give Acidophilus a try, since it is
easy to
 use,
 doesn't require a prescription and has a low potential for
bad side
 effects.  If I suspected worms, I would bring a stool
sample to the
 vet and
 finally, if nothing else turns up I may request
Metronidazole from
 the vet
 (if they were willing to try it) - it is an antiobiotic
that treats
 anaerobic bacteria and some protozoan infections that are
hard
 to pick up on
 a stool sample and commonly cause GI upset.
 
 Hope that helps.
 
 Jenny
 
 
 On 9/8/09, S. Jewell ssjew...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 
  Wow, Jenny, that's a WONDERFUL report and very
 encouraging
  to me and many others, I'm sure.
 
 
 
  At your suggestion (and thanks for the e-mail and phone
  messages), I began Lukey's syringe feeding yesterday
with
  A/D and Gatorade.  He did very well with both.
 
 
 
  I'm on my way out to feed him again this morning and
then
  taking him back to the vet to put him on intravenous
fluids
  and vitamin C to help with whatever infection may be
going
  on, if any.  Still not sure about what is causing the
fever
  because his blood work was normal last Thursday except
for a
  borderline low lymphocyte count and mild anemia (don't
  recall the numbers right now).  The fluids seem to help
the
  fever a lot, though, so it may in fact be from
dehydration.
  We may go ahead and start him on antibiotics as well to
be
  on the safe side, and he will be evaluated today as to
any
  need for a transfusion, though I don't believe his
anemia is
  that severe yet.
 
 
 
  One question:  He appears to have some diarrhea, first
  noticed on Saturday.  Do you have any thoughts about
what
  might be causing the diarrhea or has Autumn experienced
  this?  It was before his first LTCI shot, also given on
  Saturday.
 
 
 
  Thanks again for the wonderful and promising news.  I
have
  been so depressed all weekend and this certainly gives
me
  hope for my Lukey.
 
 
 
  Sally
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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[Laurieskatz]

Encouraging update, Sally!
Thanks for sharing. Pls keep us posted.
Prayers and positive energy for Lukey!
Laurie



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[Jane Lyons]

Sally
I hope Jenny sees this post. You might send another post with Jenny/ 
Autumn in the
subject. I also hope that you can get your boy through this scary  
time until your vet opens on Tuesday.


I hope you can get help for him.

Jaane




On Sep 6, 2009, at 1:37 PM, S. Jewell wrote:


Hi, All,



I'm new to this and not exactly sure how it works, but I
desperately need to speak personally to Jenny, who recently
posted about her FeLV kitty Autumn and her improvement with
the transfusion, Ambrotose and the Imulan injection (I
presume that's what it was).  I am treating one of my FeLV
boys right now who is not eating and has been hospitalized
for a few days with low lymphocyte count and mild anemia.
He came home yesterday after being on fluids for his fever
for several days at the vet.  He got his first LTCI
injection yesterday before he came home and he's a bit
feverish again and not eating.  My vet doesn't open again
until Tuesday and I am worried.  I am preparing to buy the
Acemannan, which I presume is a similar product to
Ambrotose, but I would really love to speak with Jenny about
the transfusion process and what Autumn's state was before
the transfusion and how she responded.



I apologize if this is the wrong way to go about this but
again, this is all new to me.  My Lukey boy is my first FeLV
cat to become sick and it came up so suddenly that it has
thrown us for a loop.  We are beyond heart sick and
desperate to help me in any additional ways such as
transfusion, etc.



Thanks.



Sally Jewell

502-363-1002

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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[jbero tds.net]

Sally,

Hi, this is Jenny.  I tried calling but you weren't home.  Maybe you will
get this first.

There's a couple of issues here.  Number one depending on how anemic he is,
I would likely do a blood transfusion simply to buy him enough time for the
injection to work.  Please know that I am still waiting to see if the
injection will truely work for Autumn.  I am optimistic but don't know for
sure.

As for the more immediate issues.  The fever may be due to an infection,
possible upper respiratory, urinary tract or the dreaded hemobartonella.
These would require antibiotic treatment.  The fever may, however, be due to
a dehydrated state.  If he is not eating and drinking you will have to force
feed and/or give subcutaneous fluid.  If nothing else you can take pedialyte
in a syringe (no needles) and give it to him.  This at least provides
glucose and electrolytes temporarily.  A/D food is the best for force
feeding.  I would steer away from baby food as many of them can worsen the
anemia.  I have tried mixing pedialyte with a soft canned food (helps get
the food into and out of the syringe and provides more fluid).  Here's the
challenge - you want to get in at least around 90-100 mL a day and you don't
want them to throw up.  This is tough, but it should get through until
tomorrow.

I think it is important to say that I generally have not done the force
feeding and blood transfusions before because this is a fatal virus that
always ends the same.  Now, however, with the possibility of this Imulan
shot working, there may be hope.  It may be a long shot, but I'm willing to
try.

It is a lot of intensive care that requires subcutaneous fluids, sometimes
forced feedings, possibly antibiotics and a lot of patience, love and
prayer.  Let me know if I can help further.

Jenny
On 9/6/09, S. Jewell ssjew...@bellsouth.net wrote:

 Hi, All,



 I'm new to this and not exactly sure how it works, but I
 desperately need to speak personally to Jenny, who recently
 posted about her FeLV kitty Autumn and her improvement with
 the transfusion, Ambrotose and the Imulan injection (I
 presume that's what it was).  I am treating one of my FeLV
 boys right now who is not eating and has been hospitalized
 for a few days with low lymphocyte count and mild anemia.
 He came home yesterday after being on fluids for his fever
 for several days at the vet.  He got his first LTCI
 injection yesterday before he came home and he's a bit
 feverish again and not eating.  My vet doesn't open again
 until Tuesday and I am worried.  I am preparing to buy the
 Acemannan, which I presume is a similar product to
 Ambrotose, but I would really love to speak with Jenny about
 the transfusion process and what Autumn's state was before
 the transfusion and how she responded.



 I apologize if this is the wrong way to go about this but
 again, this is all new to me.  My Lukey boy is my first FeLV
 cat to become sick and it came up so suddenly that it has
 thrown us for a loop.  We are beyond heart sick and
 desperate to help me in any additional ways such as
 transfusion, etc.



 Thanks.



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 502-363-1002

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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[S. Jewell]

Thank you very much, Jane.  I appreciate your concern and
suggestions.  I heard from Jenny via e-mail after she called
and I wasn't home.  At her suggestion, I bought some A/D and
Gatorade and have begun to force feed Lukey.  He took right
to the food like he was grateful to have it and I will be
giving him some Gatorade later tonight and then feeding
again even later.  I got about 1/3 of a can of A/D down him
via syringe, which I thought was pretty good for a first
effort.  He is getting thinner and weaker while we wait on
the shot to kick in but on Saturday he was not yet severely
anemic, so hopefully I have some time.  We'll know tomorrow
when I take him back to the vet, which he will certainly
hate.  At least she can rehydrate him and maybe check him
again for lymphocyte and RBC count.  

Anyway, God bless you and all of the others who post here in
an effort to help others.  I appreciate it very much.

Sally Jewell

 

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-
 boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Lyons
 Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 11:13 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 
 Sally
 I hope Jenny sees this post. You might send another post
with
 Jenny/
 Autumn in the
 subject. I also hope that you can get your boy through
this scary
 time until your vet opens on Tuesday.
 
 I hope you can get help for him.
 
 Jaane
 
 
 
 
 On Sep 6, 2009, at 1:37 PM, S. Jewell wrote:
 
  Hi, All,
 
 
 
  I'm new to this and not exactly sure how it works, but I
  desperately need to speak personally to Jenny, who
recently
  posted about her FeLV kitty Autumn and her improvement
with
  the transfusion, Ambrotose and the Imulan injection (I
  presume that's what it was).  I am treating one of my
FeLV
  boys right now who is not eating and has been
hospitalized
  for a few days with low lymphocyte count and mild
anemia.
  He came home yesterday after being on fluids for his
fever
  for several days at the vet.  He got his first LTCI
  injection yesterday before he came home and he's a bit
  feverish again and not eating.  My vet doesn't open
again
  until Tuesday and I am worried.  I am preparing to buy
the
  Acemannan, which I presume is a similar product to
  Ambrotose, but I would really love to speak with Jenny
about
  the transfusion process and what Autumn's state was
before
  the transfusion and how she responded.
 
 
 
  I apologize if this is the wrong way to go about this
but
  again, this is all new to me.  My Lukey boy is my first
FeLV
  cat to become sick and it came up so suddenly that it
has
  thrown us for a loop.  We are beyond heart sick and
  desperate to help me in any additional ways such as
  transfusion, etc.
 
 
 
  Thanks.
 
 
 
  Sally Jewell
 
  502-363-1002
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[S. Jewell]

Thank you very much, Jane.  I appreciate your concern and
suggestions.  I heard from Jenny via e-mail after she called
and I wasn't home.  At her suggestion, I bought some A/D and
Gatorade and have begun to force feed Lukey.  He took right
to the food like he was grateful to have it and I will be
giving him some Gatorade later tonight and then feeding
again even later.  I got about 1/3 of a can of A/D down him
via syringe, which I thought was pretty good for a first
effort.  He is getting thinner and weaker while we wait on
the shot to kick in but on Saturday he was not yet severely
anemic, so hopefully I have some time.  We'll know tomorrow
when I take him back to the vet, which he will certainly
hate.  At least she can rehydrate him and maybe check him
again for lymphocyte and RBC count.  

Anyway, God bless you and all of the others who post here in
an effort to help others.  I appreciate it very much.

Sally Jewell

 

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-
 boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Lyons
 Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 11:13 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 
 Sally
 I hope Jenny sees this post. You might send another post
with
 Jenny/
 Autumn in the
 subject. I also hope that you can get your boy through
this scary
 time until your vet opens on Tuesday.
 
 I hope you can get help for him.
 
 Jaane
 
 
 
 
 On Sep 6, 2009, at 1:37 PM, S. Jewell wrote:
 
  Hi, All,
 
 
 
  I'm new to this and not exactly sure how it works, but I
  desperately need to speak personally to Jenny, who
recently
  posted about her FeLV kitty Autumn and her improvement
with
  the transfusion, Ambrotose and the Imulan injection (I
  presume that's what it was).  I am treating one of my
FeLV
  boys right now who is not eating and has been
hospitalized
  for a few days with low lymphocyte count and mild
anemia.
  He came home yesterday after being on fluids for his
fever
  for several days at the vet.  He got his first LTCI
  injection yesterday before he came home and he's a bit
  feverish again and not eating.  My vet doesn't open
again
  until Tuesday and I am worried.  I am preparing to buy
the
  Acemannan, which I presume is a similar product to
  Ambrotose, but I would really love to speak with Jenny
about
  the transfusion process and what Autumn's state was
before
  the transfusion and how she responded.
 
 
 
  I apologize if this is the wrong way to go about this
but
  again, this is all new to me.  My Lukey boy is my first
FeLV
  cat to become sick and it came up so suddenly that it
has
  thrown us for a loop.  We are beyond heart sick and
  desperate to help me in any additional ways such as
  transfusion, etc.
 
 
 
  Thanks.
 
 
 
  Sally Jewell
 
  502-363-1002
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) for Sally

[Laurieskatz]

Sally, that is so encouraging that he WANTS the food. That is great. Please
check out the link suggested in earlier emails today with subject assisted
feeding. It is important for Lukey to get the same amount of food via
syringe that he ate before getting sick. You want to avoid liver failure. 
Please keep us posted. Lukey is lucky to have you.
Laurie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of S. Jewell
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 5:56 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

Thank you very much, Jane.  I appreciate your concern and
suggestions.  I heard from Jenny via e-mail after she called
and I wasn't home.  At her suggestion, I bought some A/D and
Gatorade and have begun to force feed Lukey.  He took right
to the food like he was grateful to have it and I will be
giving him some Gatorade later tonight and then feeding
again even later.  I got about 1/3 of a can of A/D down him
via syringe, which I thought was pretty good for a first
effort.  He is getting thinner and weaker while we wait on
the shot to kick in but on Saturday he was not yet severely
anemic, so hopefully I have some time.  We'll know tomorrow
when I take him back to the vet, which he will certainly
hate.  At least she can rehydrate him and maybe check him
again for lymphocyte and RBC count.  

Anyway, God bless you and all of the others who post here in
an effort to help others.  I appreciate it very much.

Sally Jewell

 

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-
 boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Lyons
 Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 11:13 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 
 Sally
 I hope Jenny sees this post. You might send another post
with
 Jenny/
 Autumn in the
 subject. I also hope that you can get your boy through
this scary
 time until your vet opens on Tuesday.
 
 I hope you can get help for him.
 
 Jaane
 
 
 
 
 On Sep 6, 2009, at 1:37 PM, S. Jewell wrote:
 
  Hi, All,
 
 
 
  I'm new to this and not exactly sure how it works, but I
  desperately need to speak personally to Jenny, who
recently
  posted about her FeLV kitty Autumn and her improvement
with
  the transfusion, Ambrotose and the Imulan injection (I
  presume that's what it was).  I am treating one of my
FeLV
  boys right now who is not eating and has been
hospitalized
  for a few days with low lymphocyte count and mild
anemia.
  He came home yesterday after being on fluids for his
fever
  for several days at the vet.  He got his first LTCI
  injection yesterday before he came home and he's a bit
  feverish again and not eating.  My vet doesn't open
again
  until Tuesday and I am worried.  I am preparing to buy
the
  Acemannan, which I presume is a similar product to
  Ambrotose, but I would really love to speak with Jenny
about
  the transfusion process and what Autumn's state was
before
  the transfusion and how she responded.
 
 
 
  I apologize if this is the wrong way to go about this
but
  again, this is all new to me.  My Lukey boy is my first
FeLV
  cat to become sick and it came up so suddenly that it
has
  thrown us for a loop.  We are beyond heart sick and
  desperate to help me in any additional ways such as
  transfusion, etc.
 
 
 
  Thanks.
 
 
 
  Sally Jewell
 
  502-363-1002
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) for Sally

[S. Jewell]

Thanks so much for the encouragement and information,
Laurie.  This is a heartbreaking situation for us, as all of
you know too well.  

Sally Jewell

 

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-
 boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Laurieskatz
 Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 7:11 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) for Sally
 
 Sally, that is so encouraging that he WANTS the food. That
is
 great. Please
 check out the link suggested in earlier emails today with
subject
 assisted
 feeding. It is important for Lukey to get the same amount
of food
 via
 syringe that he ate before getting sick. You want to avoid
liver
 failure.
 Please keep us posted. Lukey is lucky to have you.
 Laurie
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
S.
 Jewell
 Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 5:56 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 
 Thank you very much, Jane.  I appreciate your concern and
 suggestions.  I heard from Jenny via e-mail after she
called
 and I wasn't home.  At her suggestion, I bought some A/D
and
 Gatorade and have begun to force feed Lukey.  He took
right
 to the food like he was grateful to have it and I will be
 giving him some Gatorade later tonight and then feeding
 again even later.  I got about 1/3 of a can of A/D down
him
 via syringe, which I thought was pretty good for a first
 effort.  He is getting thinner and weaker while we wait on
 the shot to kick in but on Saturday he was not yet
severely
 anemic, so hopefully I have some time.  We'll know
tomorrow
 when I take him back to the vet, which he will certainly
 hate.  At least she can rehydrate him and maybe check him
 again for lymphocyte and RBC count.
 
 Anyway, God bless you and all of the others who post here
in
 an effort to help others.  I appreciate it very much.
 
 Sally Jewell
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-
  boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Lyons
  Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 11:13 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 
  Sally
  I hope Jenny sees this post. You might send another post
 with
  Jenny/
  Autumn in the
  subject. I also hope that you can get your boy through
 this scary
  time until your vet opens on Tuesday.
 
  I hope you can get help for him.
 
  Jaane
 
 
 
 
  On Sep 6, 2009, at 1:37 PM, S. Jewell wrote:
 
   Hi, All,
  
  
  
   I'm new to this and not exactly sure how it works, but
I
   desperately need to speak personally to Jenny, who
 recently
   posted about her FeLV kitty Autumn and her improvement
 with
   the transfusion, Ambrotose and the Imulan injection (I
   presume that's what it was).  I am treating one of my
 FeLV
   boys right now who is not eating and has been
 hospitalized
   for a few days with low lymphocyte count and mild
 anemia.
   He came home yesterday after being on fluids for his
 fever
   for several days at the vet.  He got his first LTCI
   injection yesterday before he came home and he's a bit
   feverish again and not eating.  My vet doesn't open
 again
   until Tuesday and I am worried.  I am preparing to buy
 the
   Acemannan, which I presume is a similar product to
   Ambrotose, but I would really love to speak with Jenny
 about
   the transfusion process and what Autumn's state was
 before
   the transfusion and how she responded.
  
  
  
   I apologize if this is the wrong way to go about this
 but
   again, this is all new to me.  My Lukey boy is my
first
 FeLV
   cat to become sick and it came up so suddenly that it
 has
   thrown us for a loop.  We are beyond heart sick and
   desperate to help me in any additional ways such as
   transfusion, etc.
  
  
  
   Thanks.
  
  
  
   Sally Jewell
  
   502-363-1002
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) for Sally

[S. Jewell]

Thanks so much for the encouragement and information,
Laurie.  This is a heartbreaking situation for us, as all of
you know too well.  

Sally Jewell

 

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-
 boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Laurieskatz
 Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 7:11 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) for Sally
 
 Sally, that is so encouraging that he WANTS the food. That
is
 great. Please
 check out the link suggested in earlier emails today with
subject
 assisted
 feeding. It is important for Lukey to get the same amount
of food
 via
 syringe that he ate before getting sick. You want to avoid
liver
 failure.
 Please keep us posted. Lukey is lucky to have you.
 Laurie
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
S.
 Jewell
 Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 5:56 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 
 Thank you very much, Jane.  I appreciate your concern and
 suggestions.  I heard from Jenny via e-mail after she
called
 and I wasn't home.  At her suggestion, I bought some A/D
and
 Gatorade and have begun to force feed Lukey.  He took
right
 to the food like he was grateful to have it and I will be
 giving him some Gatorade later tonight and then feeding
 again even later.  I got about 1/3 of a can of A/D down
him
 via syringe, which I thought was pretty good for a first
 effort.  He is getting thinner and weaker while we wait on
 the shot to kick in but on Saturday he was not yet
severely
 anemic, so hopefully I have some time.  We'll know
tomorrow
 when I take him back to the vet, which he will certainly
 hate.  At least she can rehydrate him and maybe check him
 again for lymphocyte and RBC count.
 
 Anyway, God bless you and all of the others who post here
in
 an effort to help others.  I appreciate it very much.
 
 Sally Jewell
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-
  boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Lyons
  Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 11:13 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 
  Sally
  I hope Jenny sees this post. You might send another post
 with
  Jenny/
  Autumn in the
  subject. I also hope that you can get your boy through
 this scary
  time until your vet opens on Tuesday.
 
  I hope you can get help for him.
 
  Jaane
 
 
 
 
  On Sep 6, 2009, at 1:37 PM, S. Jewell wrote:
 
   Hi, All,
  
  
  
   I'm new to this and not exactly sure how it works, but
I
   desperately need to speak personally to Jenny, who
 recently
   posted about her FeLV kitty Autumn and her improvement
 with
   the transfusion, Ambrotose and the Imulan injection (I
   presume that's what it was).  I am treating one of my
 FeLV
   boys right now who is not eating and has been
 hospitalized
   for a few days with low lymphocyte count and mild
 anemia.
   He came home yesterday after being on fluids for his
 fever
   for several days at the vet.  He got his first LTCI
   injection yesterday before he came home and he's a bit
   feverish again and not eating.  My vet doesn't open
 again
   until Tuesday and I am worried.  I am preparing to buy
 the
   Acemannan, which I presume is a similar product to
   Ambrotose, but I would really love to speak with Jenny
 about
   the transfusion process and what Autumn's state was
 before
   the transfusion and how she responded.
  
  
  
   I apologize if this is the wrong way to go about this
 but
   again, this is all new to me.  My Lukey boy is my
first
 FeLV
   cat to become sick and it came up so suddenly that it
 has
   thrown us for a loop.  We are beyond heart sick and
   desperate to help me in any additional ways such as
   transfusion, etc.
  
  
  
   Thanks.
  
  
  
   Sally Jewell
  
   502-363-1002
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Kelley Saveika]

This is a subject I've been interested in for a while, as I one day want to
start my own sanctuary (with help of course).
Best Friends is open to the public, and has no problem with people dumping -
I have asked people who worked there and they said it wasn't an issue, and I
asked what they would do if it became an issue, and they said they would
probably just take the animals, but they are large enough to absorb an extra
cat or dog or so with no issues..  I know many sanctuaries get animals
dumped on them, and there is even a local sanctuary here where someone has
been *stealing*  and *killing* the animals (they are, among other things, a
barnyard animal sanctuary).  I think BF owes a lot of its success to the
fact that it is open all the time..so Im not sure how to resolve this
issue.

I wish the OT list was still around.

Kelley
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Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life!

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[MaryChristine]

they owe much of their ability to have a different attitude toward
dumping to the fact that they have an enormous amount of land, they're
out in the middle of nowhere so that they don't have folks just
driving by every day, that they started out with a
much-larger-than-usual core group of dedicated, committed people, and
they have a very large group of volunteers.

many smaller places have few if any of those attributes.

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[Tad Burnett]

In the past we have talked about shelters that call themselves NO KILL but
as soon as the cat tests pos for FeLV it is KILLED
I think we have just had such a case here in Mass
It appears that a rescue went to pull a cat and get it on a transport
to an adopter... The cat then tested pos.  The rescue put a cry for
help at 5:30 the end of the day... Later that evening I replied and said
I could help Next thing I heard was that the cat had been PTS
and rescue wasn't going to say any more
 Sounds like the OLD SCHOOL still lives where when a cat tests pos
he is immediately PTS
Tad


MaryChristine wrote:


they owe much of their ability to have a different attitude toward
dumping to the fact that they have an enormous amount of land, they're
out in the middle of nowhere so that they don't have folks just
driving by every day, that they started out with a
much-larger-than-usual core group of dedicated, committed people, and
they have a very large group of volunteers.

many smaller places have few if any of those attributes.

 



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[MaryChristine]

absolutely, tad, and what's worse, is that it's still happening with
FIVs, even, with less rationale.

if so many vets weren't themselves ignorant of the research, and the
fact that for many YEARS, all the textbooks and associations have said
never to make a life-or-death decision on an asymptomatic cat without
a second test, we could go to the state vet assns and try to make a
case for willful ignorance. but it's the professionals who are often
the worse: just last month, in wichita, KS, a vet who tested a kitten
and got a positive result flipped out, ranting about how she would
have to close down her clinic for 48 hours to fumigate it; she and her
staff were running around wiping down everything in the room, even tho
the kitten hadn't been on those surfaces.

i don't know how to fight this level of professional ignorance, nor
how to expect shelters and rescues to know any better.



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[Susan Hoffman]

They also receive a lot of funding and donations and have a dedicated board of 
directors.  

--- On Sat, 8/1/09, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Saturday, August 1, 2009, 11:49 AM
 they owe much of their ability to
 have a different attitude toward
 dumping to the fact that they have an enormous amount of
 land, they're
 out in the middle of nowhere so that they don't have folks
 just
 driving by every day, that they started out with a
 much-larger-than-usual core group of dedicated, committed
 people, and
 they have a very large group of volunteers.
 
 many smaller places have few if any of those attributes.
 
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 (www.purebredcats.org)
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[Kelley Saveika]

Yes, I have thought about buying land in the middle of nowhere.  Normally,
however, that would bethe kiss of death to any sanctuary.  It is very
diffcult; fortunately I have time to work it out in my mind.

On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 1:49 PM, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.comwrote:

 they owe much of their ability to have a different attitude toward
 dumping to the fact that they have an enormous amount of land, they're
 out in the middle of nowhere so that they don't have folks just
 driving by every day, that they started out with a
 much-larger-than-usual core group of dedicated, committed people, and
 they have a very large group of volunteers.

 many smaller places have few if any of those attributes.

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[Kelley Saveika]

On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.comwrote:


 They also receive a lot of funding and donations and have a dedicated board
 of directors.


Yes, but how much of that is due to the fact that they have been open to the
public since the beginning?

It seems a chicken and the egg thing to me.

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[Lora]

RED FLAG!

NEVER, EVER adopt out to ANYone who will NOT give out their persoanal, 
physical, residential address!

Furthermore, never just ask for their address. VERIFY it!

--- On Thu, 7/30/09, Reyna Castano rcpin...@yahoo.com wrote:
What if I can't personally take the cat?

The adopter does not live in CA. I live in San Diego, CA.

He does answer all of my questions. The only thing he refuse to give me was his 
address. Should I be concern? He says that he wouldn't like his address to slip 
out and then have a line of people outside his place asking him to adopt their 
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[Chris]

Agreed--when I was looking for a home for Romeo, I was referred to someone
who apparently takes all the FELV cats from rescues in my area.  BUT he
never gives his address and they are perfectly content to meet him in a
parking lot somewhere and give him cats.  He may have been wonderful but I
found his unwillingness to let me do a home visit too frightening.  The joke
is that I found his address (from his phone #) in about 30 seconds--but that
wasn't the point.  Then I had someone who called me about all this
experience she had.  I asked for a vet ref and she willingly gave it to
me--though in retrospect, I suspect she figured I'd never check.  Well the
story her vet told me was awful and needless to say I was s glad I did
that check.  

I've worked on placing animals long distance for the Shelter I volunteer for
and its not easy.  But there's an application form, vet check and always
someone local who can check things out before AND after the placement.
There's also an adoption contract that says that if for any reason and at
any time, if the adopter cannot keep the animal, they MUST contact us first
and give us an opportunity to plan for that animal.  

We also always do follow ups==pictures, conversations, etc. You can tell a
lot from those about how things are going.  

Christiane Biagi
Cell:  914-720-6888
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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro
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Anyone who wouldn't let you come over and see that cat is a big red 
flag for me.  You can't do that without an address.

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[Susan Hoffman]

In Reyna's situation, if she was able to bring the cat herself, Michael would 
gladly give her the address.  But she isn't able to bring the cat from LA to 
Reno.  So I'm working on transport.

In a sanctuary situation (as opposed to a citizen non-rescuer adopter), you 
have to be careful about giving out your address.  Too many sanctuaries have 
cats dumped at their door once the address is too public.  So the physical 
address is on a need to know basis.

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 From: Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 10:30 PM
    Anyone who wouldn't
 let you come over and see that cat is a big red flag for
 me.  You can't do that without an address.
 
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[JENI RECA]

you could ask for two references, two people that know them and can just tell 
you a little about them, you can ask about their pet history and verify it with 
the references.  A vet reference is great, unless it's their first time owning 
a cat.  Someone did adopt two kittens from me on this list, they gave me a vet 
name and number and just talking with them and getting a good feeling about it, 
I knew the cats were going to be fine.  They were too far to check out the 
living arrangements, but they kept in touch with me and sent me pictures.  good 
luck!jeni

 Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 21:40:41 -0400
 From: tadburn...@vermontel.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 
 Check with his vet
 Anyone adopting an FeLV+ cat had best be on a first name
 basis with a vet
 Will the adopter allow you or someone you know to see how the
 cats will be living ???
 And are they willing to answer all your questions ???
 
 Yes... I have adopted maybe 20 FeLV+ cats from this list in the
 past 6 years but none in the last couple years I think
 I am getting old and slowing down after my heart attack a year
 ago.
 Tad
 
 
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 someone here that you called to ask if they could adopt your cat? If so, how 
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[MaryChristine]

belinda, they NEVER gave out the address for angel wings, and i only
know of one person who was ever actually AT one of their (many)
locations; at the same time, every sanctuary setting i know of does
not give out their street address UNTIL and UNLESS someone has a
reason to have it. ie, when reyna and the place decide that they will
work together, he will give it to her. the reasons are two-fold: one,
once an address is out there, cats are dumped on the place constantly.
and when they are dumped, the people who dump them rarely have the
guts to tell you they're doing so--so in the north, you find dead cats
in carriers in the winter, or housecats attacked by wildlife, or
killed on the road.

the other reason is that, in most sanctuary settings, the humans also
live there, and they are NOT like shelters that have regular office
hours where people can drop in any time. most times there are outside
jobs, family times, etc. that the folks at the sanctuary have a right
to have respected. at cat tail farms, we NEVER turned away anyone who
had a real reason to come out, even if just to visit, but it had to be
around OUR schedule of feeding, cleaning, vet visits, and what little
semblance of lives that caring for 500+ cats allowed us.

MC

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[Tad Burnett]

Hi Jeni
  That sounds like me... The kittens had a good life here although
it was not a long life... Midnight, a cat from your area that we were 
working
on transportation for, is still doing fine and she is going on 2 years 
here

  Yes... my vet is my one good reference but he is in the best position
to know how my guys live and are cared for and treated here and it is
important to have a vet that cares.

Tad


JENI RECA wrote:


you could ask for two references, two people that know them and can just tell 
you a little about them, you can ask about their pet history and verify it with 
the references.  A vet reference is great, unless it's their first time owning 
a cat.  Someone did adopt two kittens from me on this list, they gave me a vet 
name and number and just talking with them and getting a good feeling about it, 
I knew the cats were going to be fine.  They were too far to check out the 
living arrangements, but they kept in touch with me and sent me pictures.  good 
luck!jeni

 


Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 21:40:41 -0400
From: tadburn...@vermontel.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

Check with his vet
Anyone adopting an FeLV+ cat had best be on a first name
basis with a vet
Will the adopter allow you or someone you know to see how the
cats will be living ???
And are they willing to answer all your questions ???

Yes... I have adopted maybe 20 FeLV+ cats from this list in the
past 6 years but none in the last couple years I think
I am getting old and slowing down after my heart attack a year
ago.
Tad


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[Belinda Sauro]

   MC,
 That is what I mean, I wouldn't need the actual street address until I 
was sure I wanted to take the kitty there.  General address to start is 
fine.  But for me personally I would have to take the cat there and look 
at the place.  I have only given cats up one time when my neighbor 
across the street moved and left 3 cats behind.  I called around to all 
of the local shelters and sanctuaries and found one 80 miles away that 
could take them.


I took them there, had a look around and gave them a $100.00 donation to 
take the cats, I know they thought I was the one dumping them but that 
didn't matter, I knew they were going to a place I felt comfortable 
with.  They let me know that they had all 3 been adopted with in a 
month, they were all young, 10 months and under.  Nice neighbor, their 
Momma didn't fare as well, I found her dead on the side of the road a 
couple of months or so before they disappeared into the night.  They 
kept the other kitties inside until they disappeared because I didn't 
see them until they had moved.


Believe me I wanted to keep them but I already had 7 of my own and 
realistically that just wasn't doable.  The youngest one was only 10 or 
12 weeks or so old.


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[MaryChristine]

yeah, i figured that you weren't making a black-and-white statement,
but too many people DO: assuming that sanctuaries, big or small,
SHOULD be open at all hours of the day, and that both the cats and the
humans should welcome strange people showing up at all hours of the
day!

i'd still like to come up with a checklist for what a sanctuary
setting should be--and folks, it's NOT always gonna be what a home
will be! michael and tad and gary have homelike settings, but not
every decent place does, and there are often choices that are made
that we might not make for our personal cats. until, however, you're
willing to open your life to these undesirables, you're not there,
having to make those choices.

i'd like there to be a checklist that's realistic, and then a group of
folks who are willing to visit the places in their area where people
can't always get to themselves, to do a home visit. i don't think it's
always possible for people to visit a facility themselves, even if
that's what they'd prefer--i know that physically and financially, i
couldn't make a trip out to say, michael's--but i would trust susan's
judgment, or yours, belinda..

too many places cropping up in the past year or so calling themselves
sanctuaries, when no one has ever heard of them. makes me nervous.
(micheal, i know you're not new, just choosing to be less public,
which is a very reasonable response considering what has happened to
so many good places.)

just me, being objective as usual.

MC

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[Tad Burnett]

Check with his vet
Anyone adopting an FeLV+ cat had best be on a first name
basis with a vet
Will the adopter allow you or someone you know to see how the
cats will be living ???
And are they willing to answer all your questions ???

Yes... I have adopted maybe 20 FeLV+ cats from this list in the
past 6 years but none in the last couple years I think
I am getting old and slowing down after my heart attack a year
ago.
Tad


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[Reyna Castano]

What if I can't personally take the cat?
The adopter does not live in CA. I live in San Diego, CA.

He does answer all of my questions. The only thing he refuse to give me was his 
address. Should I be concern? He says that he wouldn't like his address to slip 
out and then have a line of people outside his place asking him to adopt their 
cats.
--- On Thu, 7/30/09, Tad Burnett tadburn...@vermontel.net wrote:


From: Tad Burnett tadburn...@vermontel.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 6:40 PM


Check with his vet
Anyone adopting an FeLV+ cat had best be on a first name
basis with a vet
Will the adopter allow you or someone you know to see how the
cats will be living ???
And are they willing to answer all your questions ???

Yes... I have adopted maybe 20 FeLV+ cats from this list in the
past 6 years but none in the last couple years I think
I am getting old and slowing down after my heart attack a year
ago.
Tad


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[Reyna Castano]

I made a mistake. I live in Los Angeles not San Diego.

--- On Thu, 7/30/09, Tad Burnett tadburn...@vermontel.net wrote:


From: Tad Burnett tadburn...@vermontel.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 6:40 PM


Check with his vet
Anyone adopting an FeLV+ cat had best be on a first name
basis with a vet
Will the adopter allow you or someone you know to see how the
cats will be living ???
And are they willing to answer all your questions ???

Yes... I have adopted maybe 20 FeLV+ cats from this list in the
past 6 years but none in the last couple years I think
I am getting old and slowing down after my heart attack a year
ago.
Tad


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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Cindy Jackson]

Tad,
 
Wow! Twenty cats. 
I admire your kindness.
I will definitely ask a lot of questions. 
I will check with her vet and personally take my cat to his new home.

--- On Thu, 7/30/09, Tad Burnett tadburn...@vermontel.net wrote:


From: Tad Burnett tadburn...@vermontel.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 6:40 PM


Check with his vet
Anyone adopting an FeLV+ cat had best be on a first name
basis with a vet
Will the adopter allow you or someone you know to see how the
cats will be living ???
And are they willing to answer all your questions ???

Yes... I have adopted maybe 20 FeLV+ cats from this list in the
past 6 years but none in the last couple years I think
I am getting old and slowing down after my heart attack a year
ago.
Tad


Cindy Jackson wrote:

How can you make sure that someone who wants to adopt your cat is legitimate?
Has anyone ever offered to adopt your cat here on felvtalk or have you found 
someone here that you called to ask if they could adopt your cat? If so, how 
did you make sure they are reputable?
 
 
 


 


      
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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Laurieskatz]

I would want to see the place where the cat is going to be living.
You could offer to sign a confidentiality agreement. 
I would recommend either doing a home visit before the adoption or deliver
the cat.


-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Reyna Castano
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 9:16 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

What if I can't personally take the cat?
The adopter does not live in CA. I live in San Diego, CA.

He does answer all of my questions. The only thing he refuse to give me was
his address. Should I be concern? He says that he wouldn't like his address
to slip out and then have a line of people outside his place asking him to
adopt their cats.
--- On Thu, 7/30/09, Tad Burnett tadburn...@vermontel.net wrote:


From: Tad Burnett tadburn...@vermontel.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 6:40 PM


Check with his vet
Anyone adopting an FeLV+ cat had best be on a first name
basis with a vet
Will the adopter allow you or someone you know to see how the
cats will be living ???
And are they willing to answer all your questions ???

Yes... I have adopted maybe 20 FeLV+ cats from this list in the
past 6 years but none in the last couple years I think
I am getting old and slowing down after my heart attack a year
ago.
Tad


Cindy Jackson wrote:

How can you make sure that someone who wants to adopt your cat is
legitimate?
Has anyone ever offered to adopt your cat here on felvtalk or have you
found someone here that you called to ask if they could adopt your cat? If
so, how did you make sure they are reputable?
 
 
 


 


      
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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Cindy Jackson]

Reyna,
 
It's understandable. After all, people who adopt FeLV+ cats rarely turn any 
away.
Their good heart cannot say NO.

--- On Thu, 7/30/09, Reyna Castano rcpin...@yahoo.com wrote:


From: Reyna Castano rcpin...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 7:16 PM


What if I can't personally take the cat?
The adopter does not live in CA. I live in San Diego, CA.

He does answer all of my questions. The only thing he refuse to give me was his 
address. Should I be concern? He says that he wouldn't like his address to slip 
out and then have a line of people outside his place asking him to adopt their 
cats.
--- On Thu, 7/30/09, Tad Burnett tadburn...@vermontel.net wrote:


From: Tad Burnett tadburn...@vermontel.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 6:40 PM


Check with his vet
Anyone adopting an FeLV+ cat had best be on a first name
basis with a vet
Will the adopter allow you or someone you know to see how the
cats will be living ???
And are they willing to answer all your questions ???

Yes... I have adopted maybe 20 FeLV+ cats from this list in the
past 6 years but none in the last couple years I think
I am getting old and slowing down after my heart attack a year
ago.
Tad


Cindy Jackson wrote:

How can you make sure that someone who wants to adopt your cat is legitimate?
Has anyone ever offered to adopt your cat here on felvtalk or have you found 
someone here that you called to ask if they could adopt your cat? If so, how 
did you make sure they are reputable?
 
 
 


 


      
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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Tad Burnett]

Myself.. I would want to talk with some one who knew this place maybe
from this list or another
Adoption is always a risk and there is always a question if the alternative
is better or worse...
I adopted 6 cats from the Angel Wings things and I guess at one time that
was a good sanctuary but when they finally shut it down those poor animals
were in as terrible condition as they could be... Who knows what happened...
Tad


Reyna Castano wrote:


What if I can't personally take the cat?
The adopter does not live in CA. I live in San Diego, CA.

He does answer all of my questions. The only thing he refuse to give me was his 
address. Should I be concern? He says that he wouldn't like his address to slip 
out and then have a line of people outside his place asking him to adopt their 
cats.
--- On Thu, 7/30/09, Tad Burnett tadburn...@vermontel.net wrote:


From: Tad Burnett tadburn...@vermontel.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 6:40 PM


Check with his vet
Anyone adopting an FeLV+ cat had best be on a first name
basis with a vet
Will the adopter allow you or someone you know to see how the
cats will be living ???
And are they willing to answer all your questions ???

Yes... I have adopted maybe 20 FeLV+ cats from this list in the
past 6 years but none in the last couple years I think
I am getting old and slowing down after my heart attack a year
ago.
Tad


Cindy Jackson wrote:

 


How can you make sure that someone who wants to adopt your cat is legitimate?
Has anyone ever offered to adopt your cat here on felvtalk or have you found 
someone here that you called to ask if they could adopt your cat? If so, how 
did you make sure they are reputable?








 
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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Cindy Jackson]

Having that said Reyna you need to know where the cat will be going. You can't 
just give the cat to anyone. A lot of people do not care about animals and do 
horrible things to them.
I'm assuming someone will be taking the cat personally. Do you know who?

--- On Thu, 7/30/09, Reyna Castano rcpin...@yahoo.com wrote:


From: Reyna Castano rcpin...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 7:24 PM


I made a mistake. I live in Los Angeles not San Diego.

--- On Thu, 7/30/09, Tad Burnett tadburn...@vermontel.net wrote:


From: Tad Burnett tadburn...@vermontel.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 6:40 PM


Check with his vet
Anyone adopting an FeLV+ cat had best be on a first name
basis with a vet
Will the adopter allow you or someone you know to see how the
cats will be living ???
And are they willing to answer all your questions ???

Yes... I have adopted maybe 20 FeLV+ cats from this list in the
past 6 years but none in the last couple years I think
I am getting old and slowing down after my heart attack a year
ago.
Tad


Cindy Jackson wrote:

How can you make sure that someone who wants to adopt your cat is legitimate?
Has anyone ever offered to adopt your cat here on felvtalk or have you found 
someone here that you called to ask if they could adopt your cat? If so, how 
did you make sure they are reputable?
 
 
 


 


      
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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Reyna Castano]

I'm not giving my cat to just anyone. I have spoken to the family. 
Will never know them personally, face to face, but I have done my work and know 
I can trust them. Besides, not long ago a FeLV cat from a member here was 
adopted by the same family and she knows them personally. She has nothing bad 
to say about them.
I trust her too. She has helped me a lot.
 
--- On Thu, 7/30/09, Cindy Jackson qne...@yahoo.com wrote:


From: Cindy Jackson qne...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 7:54 PM


Having that said Reyna you need to know where the cat will be going. You can't 
just give the cat to anyone. A lot of people do not care about animals and do 
horrible things to them.
I'm assuming someone will be taking the cat personally. Do you know who?

--- On Thu, 7/30/09, Reyna Castano rcpin...@yahoo.com wrote:


From: Reyna Castano rcpin...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 7:24 PM


I made a mistake. I live in Los Angeles not San Diego.

--- On Thu, 7/30/09, Tad Burnett tadburn...@vermontel.net wrote:


From: Tad Burnett tadburn...@vermontel.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 6:40 PM


Check with his vet
Anyone adopting an FeLV+ cat had best be on a first name
basis with a vet
Will the adopter allow you or someone you know to see how the
cats will be living ???
And are they willing to answer all your questions ???

Yes... I have adopted maybe 20 FeLV+ cats from this list in the
past 6 years but none in the last couple years I think
I am getting old and slowing down after my heart attack a year
ago.
Tad


Cindy Jackson wrote:

How can you make sure that someone who wants to adopt your cat is legitimate?
Has anyone ever offered to adopt your cat here on felvtalk or have you found 
someone here that you called to ask if they could adopt your cat? If so, how 
did you make sure they are reputable?
 
 
 


 


      
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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Tad Burnett]

Another point to consider is that about 2/3rds of the FeLV+ cats have
gone on within one year But if you keep adopting them as one passes
on you eventually end up with a bunch of the 1/3rd that lives on for a
more near normal life... This is my situation now
Tad


Cindy Jackson wrote:


Reyna,

It's understandable. After all, people who adopt FeLV+ cats rarely turn any 
away.
Their good heart cannot say NO.

--- On Thu, 7/30/09, Reyna Castano rcpin...@yahoo.com wrote:


From: Reyna Castano rcpin...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 7:16 PM


What if I can't personally take the cat?
The adopter does not live in CA. I live in San Diego, CA.

He does answer all of my questions. The only thing he refuse to give me was his 
address. Should I be concern? He says that he wouldn't like his address to slip 
out and then have a line of people outside his place asking him to adopt their 
cats.
--- On Thu, 7/30/09, Tad Burnett tadburn...@vermontel.net wrote:


From: Tad Burnett tadburn...@vermontel.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 6:40 PM


Check with his vet
Anyone adopting an FeLV+ cat had best be on a first name
basis with a vet
Will the adopter allow you or someone you know to see how the
cats will be living ???
And are they willing to answer all your questions ???

Yes... I have adopted maybe 20 FeLV+ cats from this list in the
past 6 years but none in the last couple years I think
I am getting old and slowing down after my heart attack a year
ago.
Tad


Cindy Jackson wrote:

 


How can you make sure that someone who wants to adopt your cat is legitimate?
Has anyone ever offered to adopt your cat here on felvtalk or have you found 
someone here that you called to ask if they could adopt your cat? If so, how 
did you make sure they are reputable?








 
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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Susan Hoffman]

Hey everyone.  The person who offered to take the cat is on thos list.  It's 
Michael at Second Chance Meow in Reno.  I think a few people on this list know 
him.  



--- On Thu, 7/30/09, Cindy Jackson qne...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Cindy Jackson qne...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 7:54 PM
 Having that said Reyna you need to
 know where the cat will be going. You can't just give the
 cat to anyone. A lot of people do not care about animals and
 do horrible things to them.
 I'm assuming someone will be taking the cat personally. Do
 you know who?
 
 --- On Thu, 7/30/09, Reyna Castano rcpin...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 
 
 From: Reyna Castano rcpin...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 7:24 PM
 
 
 I made a mistake. I live in Los Angeles not San Diego.
 
 --- On Thu, 7/30/09, Tad Burnett tadburn...@vermontel.net
 wrote:
 
 
 From: Tad Burnett tadburn...@vermontel.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 6:40 PM
 
 
 Check with his vet
 Anyone adopting an FeLV+ cat had best be on a first name
 basis with a vet
 Will the adopter allow you or someone you know to see how
 the
 cats will be living ???
 And are they willing to answer all your questions ???
 
 Yes... I have adopted maybe 20 FeLV+ cats from this list in
 the
 past 6 years but none in the last couple years I think
 I am getting old and slowing down after my heart attack a
 year
 ago.
 Tad
 
 
 Cindy Jackson wrote:
 
 How can you make sure that someone who wants to adopt
 your cat is legitimate?
 Has anyone ever offered to adopt your cat here on
 felvtalk or have you found someone here that you called to
 ask if they could adopt your cat? If so, how did you make
 sure they are reputable?
  
  
  
 
 
  
 
 
       
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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Laurieskatz]

Bless you Tad. My two lived to ages 16 and 22 years!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Tad Burnett
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 10:06 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

Another point to consider is that about 2/3rds of the FeLV+ cats have
gone on within one year But if you keep adopting them as one passes
on you eventually end up with a bunch of the 1/3rd that lives on for a
more near normal life... This is my situation now
Tad


Cindy Jackson wrote:

Reyna,
 
It's understandable. After all, people who adopt FeLV+ cats rarely turn any
away.
Their good heart cannot say NO.

--- On Thu, 7/30/09, Reyna Castano rcpin...@yahoo.com wrote:


From: Reyna Castano rcpin...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 7:16 PM


What if I can't personally take the cat?
The adopter does not live in CA. I live in San Diego, CA.

He does answer all of my questions. The only thing he refuse to give me was
his address. Should I be concern? He says that he wouldn't like his address
to slip out and then have a line of people outside his place asking him to
adopt their cats.
--- On Thu, 7/30/09, Tad Burnett tadburn...@vermontel.net wrote:


From: Tad Burnett tadburn...@vermontel.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 6:40 PM


Check with his vet
Anyone adopting an FeLV+ cat had best be on a first name
basis with a vet
Will the adopter allow you or someone you know to see how the
cats will be living ???
And are they willing to answer all your questions ???

Yes... I have adopted maybe 20 FeLV+ cats from this list in the
past 6 years but none in the last couple years I think
I am getting old and slowing down after my heart attack a year
ago.
Tad


Cindy Jackson wrote:

  

How can you make sure that someone who wants to adopt your cat is
legitimate?
Has anyone ever offered to adopt your cat here on felvtalk or have you
found someone here that you called to ask if they could adopt your cat? If
so, how did you make sure they are reputable?








  
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