Re: [Felvtalk] Vit C therapy Sally Snyder Jewell
And I do a nasal saline spray (Ayr) since the netti pot and I don't agree. Also, warm salt water gargle. L -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 9:34 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: wendy Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vit C therapy Sally Snyder Jewell WHEN MY SINUSES ACT UP, THE FIRST THING I TAKE IS l-lYSINE AND 1000 UNITS OF C. ALL THE DOCTOR'S ANTIBIOTICS DO NOT WORK. THE VIRUS I THINK HAS MUTATED AND IS NOW IMMUNE TO THEM. DORLIS wendy wendy2...@yahoo.com wrote: Sally, I am a huge believer in Vit C, not only for animals, but humans as well. This week I have been fighting off a cold since Friday, and popping 1000 mg of Vit C every 1-4 hours, on and off. Had I not been popping the Vit C, I know from past experience I'd already have been to the doc. My friend's family owns an alternative treatment center here in the town where I live, and they do Vit C IV therapy on their patients. I also believe in the value of L-lysine as an anti-viral, although we've had some very interesting conversations here debating that fact. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vit C therapy Sally Snyder Jewell
Where can pure ascorbic acid in powder form be purchased? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of S. Jewell Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 2:56 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vit C therapy Sally Snyder Jewell Thanks for sharing your interest and experience, Wendy. I appreciate your positive feedback. FYI, several thousand mg of pure ascorbic acid taken hourly for 24 hours at first notice of any cold symptoms will work even faster to eradicate the cold before it gets any kind of foothold. This also applies to animals, as I give mine both oral vitamin C daily and subcutaneous vitamin C injections at the first sign of a sneeze or sniffle, which is now rare. It is virtually impossible to take too much or give them too much. Interestingly, from a bowel standpoint the body can tolerate (and needs) thousands more milligrams of vitamin C when under stress from illness. The minimum daily intake of vitamin C for prevention of illness and heart disease is 3,000 mg, according to Linus Pauling, so it's easy to see why there is so much illness in this country when the RDA for C is only 70 mg. Most animals (except cats and dogs) make nearly 10,000 mg of vitamin C daily in the liver, while humans make none, and cats and dogs make only the human equivalent of 2800 mg daily. I had a severe rotator cuff tear last year that would put me on the ground writing in pain until it dawned on me that I should be taking three times the amount of vitamin C that I was It is important to note that the best kind of vitamin C to take for this purpose is pure ascorbic acid in powder form without excipients, preservatives, or fillers. Tablet vitamin C is really only intended to be taken at the levels written on the bottle because of these additives and it is really not safe to take drugstore vitamin C at the high levels that Pauling recommended as required by the human body on a daily basis for collagen synthesis and protection from viruses and heart disease. Also, the buffered forms of vitamin C (Ester C, sodium ascorbate, calcium ascorbate, magnesium ascorbate, etc.) are not nearly as potent or effective orally as ascorbic acid. Before my work in this area I had a cold every month all winter long. I have now had only one cold in the past 10 years and that was only because I was away from home and without my C. Despite exposure to others with colds, flus, etc., including my children who don't always want to take their C, I have never come down with any of it, and when I feel like I might be, I start dosing C by the thousands of mg each hour and it always works. The health we have seen in the past 10 years has certainly made me understand and appreciate Linus Pauling's expression, Never be without your C, not even for a single day. Truly, I could not survive without it, nor could the animals in my care. Sally Snyder Jewell Tower Laboratories Corporation www.HeartTech.com 1-877-TOWER-LABS Practicing Medicine Without a License? The Story of the Linus Pauling Therapy for Heart Disease, by Owen Fonorow and Sally Snyder Jewell -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk- boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 12:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vit C therapy Sally Snyder Jewell Sally, I am a huge believer in Vit C, not only for animals, but humans as well. This week I have been fighting off a cold since Friday, and popping 1000 mg of Vit C every 1-4 hours, on and off. Had I not been popping the Vit C, I know from past experience I'd already have been to the doc. My friend's family owns an alternative treatment center here in the town where I live, and they do Vit C IV therapy on their patients. I also believe in the value of L-lysine as an anti-viral, although we've had some very interesting conversations here debating that fact. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felinele ukemia.o rg ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felinele ukemia.o rg ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vit C therapy Sally Snyder Jewell
Sally, I am a huge believer in Vit C, not only for animals, but humans as well. This week I have been fighting off a cold since Friday, and popping 1000 mg of Vit C every 1-4 hours, on and off. Had I not been popping the Vit C, I know from past experience I'd already have been to the doc. My friend's family owns an alternative treatment center here in the town where I live, and they do Vit C IV therapy on their patients. I also believe in the value of L-lysine as an anti-viral, although we've had some very interesting conversations here debating that fact. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vit C therapy Sally Snyder Jewell
Thanks for sharing your interest and experience, Wendy. I appreciate your positive feedback. FYI, several thousand mg of pure ascorbic acid taken hourly for 24 hours at first notice of any cold symptoms will work even faster to eradicate the cold before it gets any kind of foothold. This also applies to animals, as I give mine both oral vitamin C daily and subcutaneous vitamin C injections at the first sign of a sneeze or sniffle, which is now rare. It is virtually impossible to take too much or give them too much. Interestingly, from a bowel standpoint the body can tolerate (and needs) thousands more milligrams of vitamin C when under stress from illness. The minimum daily intake of vitamin C for prevention of illness and heart disease is 3,000 mg, according to Linus Pauling, so it's easy to see why there is so much illness in this country when the RDA for C is only 70 mg. Most animals (except cats and dogs) make nearly 10,000 mg of vitamin C daily in the liver, while humans make none, and cats and dogs make only the human equivalent of 2800 mg daily. I had a severe rotator cuff tear last year that would put me on the ground writing in pain until it dawned on me that I should be taking three times the amount of vitamin C that I was It is important to note that the best kind of vitamin C to take for this purpose is pure ascorbic acid in powder form without excipients, preservatives, or fillers. Tablet vitamin C is really only intended to be taken at the levels written on the bottle because of these additives and it is really not safe to take drugstore vitamin C at the high levels that Pauling recommended as required by the human body on a daily basis for collagen synthesis and protection from viruses and heart disease. Also, the buffered forms of vitamin C (Ester C, sodium ascorbate, calcium ascorbate, magnesium ascorbate, etc.) are not nearly as potent or effective orally as ascorbic acid. Before my work in this area I had a cold every month all winter long. I have now had only one cold in the past 10 years and that was only because I was away from home and without my C. Despite exposure to others with colds, flus, etc., including my children who don't always want to take their C, I have never come down with any of it, and when I feel like I might be, I start dosing C by the thousands of mg each hour and it always works. The health we have seen in the past 10 years has certainly made me understand and appreciate Linus Pauling's expression, Never be without your C, not even for a single day. Truly, I could not survive without it, nor could the animals in my care. Sally Snyder Jewell Tower Laboratories Corporation www.HeartTech.com 1-877-TOWER-LABS Practicing Medicine Without a License? The Story of the Linus Pauling Therapy for Heart Disease, by Owen Fonorow and Sally Snyder Jewell -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk- boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 12:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vit C therapy Sally Snyder Jewell Sally, I am a huge believer in Vit C, not only for animals, but humans as well. This week I have been fighting off a cold since Friday, and popping 1000 mg of Vit C every 1-4 hours, on and off. Had I not been popping the Vit C, I know from past experience I'd already have been to the doc. My friend's family owns an alternative treatment center here in the town where I live, and they do Vit C IV therapy on their patients. I also believe in the value of L-lysine as an anti-viral, although we've had some very interesting conversations here debating that fact. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felinele ukemia.o rg ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felinele ukemia.o rg ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vit C therapy Sally Snyder Jewell
Thanks for sharing your interest and experience, Wendy. I appreciate your positive feedback. FYI, several thousand mg of pure ascorbic acid taken hourly for 24 hours at first notice of any cold symptoms will work even faster to eradicate the cold before it gets any kind of foothold. This also applies to animals, as I give mine both oral vitamin C daily and subcutaneous vitamin C injections at the first sign of a sneeze or sniffle, which is now rare. It is virtually impossible to take too much or give them too much. Interestingly, from a bowel standpoint the body can tolerate (and needs) thousands more milligrams of vitamin C when under stress from illness. The minimum daily intake of vitamin C for prevention of illness and heart disease is 3,000 mg, according to Linus Pauling, so it's easy to see why there is so much illness in this country when the RDA for C is only 70 mg. Most animals (except cats and dogs) make nearly 10,000 mg of vitamin C daily in the liver, while humans make none, and cats and dogs make only the human equivalent of 2800 mg daily. I had a severe rotator cuff tear last year that would put me on the ground writing in pain until it dawned on me that I should be taking three times the amount of vitamin C that I was It is important to note that the best kind of vitamin C to take for this purpose is pure ascorbic acid in powder form without excipients, preservatives, or fillers. Tablet vitamin C is really only intended to be taken at the levels written on the bottle because of these additives and it is really not safe to take drugstore vitamin C at the high levels that Pauling recommended as required by the human body on a daily basis for collagen synthesis and protection from viruses and heart disease. Also, the buffered forms of vitamin C (Ester C, sodium ascorbate, calcium ascorbate, magnesium ascorbate, etc.) are not nearly as potent or effective orally as ascorbic acid. Before my work in this area I had a cold every month all winter long. I have now had only one cold in the past 10 years and that was only because I was away from home and without my C. Despite exposure to others with colds, flus, etc., including my children who don't always want to take their C, I have never come down with any of it, and when I feel like I might be, I start dosing C by the thousands of mg each hour and it always works. The health we have seen in the past 10 years has certainly made me understand and appreciate Linus Pauling's expression, Never be without your C, not even for a single day. Truly, I could not survive without it, nor could the animals in my care. Sally Snyder Jewell Tower Laboratories Corporation www.HeartTech.com 1-877-TOWER-LABS Practicing Medicine Without a License? The Story of the Linus Pauling Therapy for Heart Disease, by Owen Fonorow and Sally Snyder Jewell -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk- boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 12:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vit C therapy Sally Snyder Jewell Sally, I am a huge believer in Vit C, not only for animals, but humans as well. This week I have been fighting off a cold since Friday, and popping 1000 mg of Vit C every 1-4 hours, on and off. Had I not been popping the Vit C, I know from past experience I'd already have been to the doc. My friend's family owns an alternative treatment center here in the town where I live, and they do Vit C IV therapy on their patients. I also believe in the value of L-lysine as an anti-viral, although we've had some very interesting conversations here debating that fact. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felinele ukemia.o rg ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felinele ukemia.o rg ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vit C therapy Sally Snyder Jewell
Sally, Please tell me EXACTLY what INTRAVENOUS ASCORBATE is. I have a FELV+ cat who shows no symptoms. Do you recommend this for him? If so, do all vets did this? I live in the Phila Pa area. Also, I have the MEGA C but someone on this list (I think) said it may contain something (that over the long haul) may not be good. What is your opinion on this. Thanks. Susan -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of S. Jewell Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 11:42 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vit C therapy Sally Snyder Jewell Merlin, Indeed in the interest of self-disclosure, in all of my posts anyone could have seen from my sign-off at any time that I work with Tower Laboratories, a nutriceutical manufacturer whose Pauling therapy vitamin C/lysine protocol has been saving lives from heart disease for the past 14 years. I have made no attempt to hide that fact, though perhaps doing so might have made me seem more like one of you and less like I was trying to sell you something. However, despite what I do to support my family and my rescue, I am certainly not paid to spend time posting here about the successes I have seen with intravenous ascorbate in my cat rescue and answering e-mail questions gratis after my 12-hour work days in an effort to help others save animals. My company does not even sell vitamin C for animals and I have never once offered to sell anything to anyone here, so to accuse me of selling snake oil and preying on people's love of their pets borders on libel. There is no ulterior sales motive here - I am simply trying to help. I am also, as you accurately point out, a published contributing author, and if memory serves, this is the first time I have ever been publicly chastised for sharing information in the interest of helping animals. Perhaps it is really true that people do not value the things they get for free. I first posted my experience with vitamin C here because I love animals and people and want to see these cats have a chance of survival and yes, help their owners to have hope where there would otherwise seem none. It would have been self-serving not to, or to disseminate the information for profit, as many might have. After all, there aren't many options for saving these cats and it seemed to me that some might actually appreciate and find my experience useful. I truly did not expect such a firestorm of skepticism and negativity and I am beginning to regret my initial decision to share at all, though thankfully there have been some to embrace and implement what I have shared, and for them and hopefully many others to follow in our footsteps, it was worth it. The fact that I work in this field affords me knowledge that others may not have - others who are still looking for some of the answers that I have been fortunate enough to discover. I have shared in honesty and with a caring heart and now the information is out there for those who would like to try vitamin C in all forms for their animals. I have not made claims that it will work positively to cure FeLV cats in all cases but have very specifically stated that I don't know what the response would be for cats that are well into the disease process with bone marrow involvement, though I sure intend to find out once we recover from the financial burden of the last three sick cats and their treatments. With the alternative being certain death, my question is, What compassionate, thinking pet owner would deny an animal a chance at life because he or she did not believe that something would work? My vet has now done three clinical trials with three successful outcomes. Had I been skeptical and waited for published clinical trials, all three cats would now be dead. I lost a kitten in November to FIP because we did not use the correct IV ascorbate protocol and because he was perhaps too far into the disease process to be brought back. Do I wish that I had never discovered or used the vitamin C protocol because my heart was crushed over the loss of him? Of course not, for because of what I learned with him we were successful in saving his sister. Every day she is a living reminder that his death was not in vain, and I will never stop trying to save the ones I can with this protocol because I know it works and it's really all I have. It seemed logical to me that others would appreciate the opportunity to hear of and try this for the animals they love as well, regardless of where or who it came from. Waiting for conventional medicine to understand or embrace this science is costing animals (and humans) their lives but nothing says that their owners and caregivers cannot. We are not talking about an ordinary vitamin as most have come to consider vitamin C. The majority of the world's population has no clue about how far-reaching and powerful ascorbic acid truly is for destroying viral
Re: [Felvtalk] Vit C therapy Sally Snyder Jewell
Hi, Susan, Intravenous ascorbate is vitamin C in the form of sodium ascorbate administrated intravenously (directly into the animal's veins) at high doses in veterinary medicine. It is typically mixed with sodium chloride and administered over the course of a few hours, depending on how much vitamin C the cat will be receiving. I have used it with my FeLV cat Linus for his lymphoma and was able to put him into remission for going on two years now when the diagnosing vet had told me he had about 4-6 weeks to live in early 2008. We administered it over the course of a year (2x a week for three months), six months off, then 2x a week for three more months). We did not reverse his FeLV with the low dose he was getting (1,000 mg per pound of body weight). However, I am going to be trying this therapy more intensively for the next young FeLV that comes into my care, for I truly believe that if I can administer the ascorbate in the early stages of the disease before it has a chance to progress too far the ascorbate will reverse it. For information on why and how intravenous vitamin C kills these viruses, see Dr. Fred Klenner's paper, Clinical Guide to the Use of Vitamin C, reprinted in its entirety at this link: http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/198x/smith-lh-clinica l_guide_1988.htm The writings of retired veterinarian Dr. Wendell Belfield also cover many conditions that he used vitamin C for as far back as the 1960s. Tragically, few vets paid attention to this paper and the profound evidence of how well this therapy works in vet medicine. Dr. Belfield's paper is here: http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/197x/belfield-w-j_int _assn_prev_med-1978-v2-n3-p10.htm The protocol would be rather intensive for a cat with advanced FeLV but if the cat is early into the disease I believe that administration of up to 2,000 mg per pound of body weight for a number of consecutive days (perhaps 10-11) would kill the virus based on Dr. Klenner's explanation. I have seen it kill FIP in a young kitten when administered for 11 consecutive days at nearly 2,000 mg per pound. If you intend to try this for your cat, you should contact me and let me know so that I can give you more specific directions or give your vet the name of my vet. Again, though, I have not yet tried to reverse FeLV in a cat who has had it for years and am not sure if it is even possible. A lot of it would depend if the virus has progressed to the stage that it is already in the cat's bone marrow. Still, being the kind of person I am, I will probably still try that just to satisfy my own interest and, of course, help others to know whether it works. Having just lost three companion animals I have just been so overwhelmed with veterinary expenses that my funds are too low to consider it right now. But as sure as the sun rises in the east, I will. :) FYI, I spoke with a nurse in Pennsylvania this week and she said that there are definitely vets in Pennsylvania who are doing this treatment on animals. It is completely safe and nontoxic for the animal. Regarding the Mega-C Plus, it is an excellent supplement and completely safe for the cat. It was formulated by Dr. Belfield himself. People are misinformed about vitamin C in general, hence the reason I am getting such a barrage of backlash over posting this information. I believe they are just scared and of course, skeptical based on their misinformation. Sally Snyder Jewell, Marketing Director Tower Laboratories Corporation www.HeartTech.com 1-877-TOWER-LABS Practicing Medicine Without a License? The Story of the Linus Pauling Therapy for Heart Disease, by Owen Fonorow and Sally Snyder Jewell -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk- boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sander, Sue Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 6:58 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vit C therapy Sally Snyder Jewell Sally, Please tell me EXACTLY what INTRAVENOUS ASCORBATE is. I have a FELV+ cat who shows no symptoms. Do you recommend this for him? If so, do all vets did this? I live in the Phila Pa area. Also, I have the MEGA C but someone on this list (I think) said it may contain something (that over the long haul) may not be good. What is your opinion on this. Thanks. Susan -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of S. Jewell Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 11:42 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vit C therapy Sally Snyder Jewell Merlin, Indeed in the interest of self-disclosure, in all of my posts anyone could have seen from my sign-off at any time that I work with Tower Laboratories, a nutriceutical manufacturer whose Pauling therapy vitamin C/lysine protocol has been saving lives from heart disease for the past 14 years. I have made no attempt to hide
Re: [Felvtalk] Vit C therapy Sally Snyder Jewell
Hi, Susan, Intravenous ascorbate is vitamin C in the form of sodium ascorbate administrated intravenously (directly into the animal's veins) at high doses in veterinary medicine. It is typically mixed with sodium chloride and administered over the course of a few hours, depending on how much vitamin C the cat will be receiving. I have used it with my FeLV cat Linus for his lymphoma and was able to put him into remission for going on two years now when the diagnosing vet had told me he had about 4-6 weeks to live in early 2008. We administered it over the course of a year (2x a week for three months), six months off, then 2x a week for three more months). We did not reverse his FeLV with the low dose he was getting (1,000 mg per pound of body weight). However, I am going to be trying this therapy more intensively for the next young FeLV that comes into my care, for I truly believe that if I can administer the ascorbate in the early stages of the disease before it has a chance to progress too far the ascorbate will reverse it. For information on why and how intravenous vitamin C kills these viruses, see Dr. Fred Klenner's paper, Clinical Guide to the Use of Vitamin C, reprinted in its entirety at this link: http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/198x/smith-lh-clinica l_guide_1988.htm The writings of retired veterinarian Dr. Wendell Belfield also cover many conditions that he used vitamin C for as far back as the 1960s. Tragically, few vets paid attention to this paper and the profound evidence of how well this therapy works in vet medicine. Dr. Belfield's paper is here: http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/197x/belfield-w-j_int _assn_prev_med-1978-v2-n3-p10.htm The protocol would be rather intensive for a cat with advanced FeLV but if the cat is early into the disease I believe that administration of up to 2,000 mg per pound of body weight for a number of consecutive days (perhaps 10-11) would kill the virus based on Dr. Klenner's explanation. I have seen it kill FIP in a young kitten when administered for 11 consecutive days at nearly 2,000 mg per pound. If you intend to try this for your cat, you should contact me and let me know so that I can give you more specific directions or give your vet the name of my vet. Again, though, I have not yet tried to reverse FeLV in a cat who has had it for years and am not sure if it is even possible. A lot of it would depend if the virus has progressed to the stage that it is already in the cat's bone marrow. Still, being the kind of person I am, I will probably still try that just to satisfy my own interest and, of course, help others to know whether it works. Having just lost three companion animals I have just been so overwhelmed with veterinary expenses that my funds are too low to consider it right now. But as sure as the sun rises in the east, I will. :) FYI, I spoke with a nurse in Pennsylvania this week and she said that there are definitely vets in Pennsylvania who are doing this treatment on animals. It is completely safe and nontoxic for the animal. Regarding the Mega-C Plus, it is an excellent supplement and completely safe for the cat. It was formulated by Dr. Belfield himself. People are misinformed about vitamin C in general, hence the reason I am getting such a barrage of backlash over posting this information. I believe they are just scared and of course, skeptical based on their misinformation. Sally Snyder Jewell, Marketing Director Tower Laboratories Corporation www.HeartTech.com 1-877-TOWER-LABS Practicing Medicine Without a License? The Story of the Linus Pauling Therapy for Heart Disease, by Owen Fonorow and Sally Snyder Jewell -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk- boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sander, Sue Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 6:58 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vit C therapy Sally Snyder Jewell Sally, Please tell me EXACTLY what INTRAVENOUS ASCORBATE is. I have a FELV+ cat who shows no symptoms. Do you recommend this for him? If so, do all vets did this? I live in the Phila Pa area. Also, I have the MEGA C but someone on this list (I think) said it may contain something (that over the long haul) may not be good. What is your opinion on this. Thanks. Susan -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of S. Jewell Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 11:42 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vit C therapy Sally Snyder Jewell Merlin, Indeed in the interest of self-disclosure, in all of my posts anyone could have seen from my sign-off at any time that I work with Tower Laboratories, a nutriceutical manufacturer whose Pauling therapy vitamin C/lysine protocol has been saving lives from heart disease for the past 14 years. I have made no attempt to hide
Re: [Felvtalk] Vit C therapy Sally Snyder Jewell
Hi Sally, Thank you for this information. Susan -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of S. Jewell Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 12:20 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vit C therapy Sally Snyder Jewell Hi, Susan, Intravenous ascorbate is vitamin C in the form of sodium ascorbate administrated intravenously (directly into the animal's veins) at high doses in veterinary medicine. It is typically mixed with sodium chloride and administered over the course of a few hours, depending on how much vitamin C the cat will be receiving. I have used it with my FeLV cat Linus for his lymphoma and was able to put him into remission for going on two years now when the diagnosing vet had told me he had about 4-6 weeks to live in early 2008. We administered it over the course of a year (2x a week for three months), six months off, then 2x a week for three more months). We did not reverse his FeLV with the low dose he was getting (1,000 mg per pound of body weight). However, I am going to be trying this therapy more intensively for the next young FeLV that comes into my care, for I truly believe that if I can administer the ascorbate in the early stages of the disease before it has a chance to progress too far the ascorbate will reverse it. For information on why and how intravenous vitamin C kills these viruses, see Dr. Fred Klenner's paper, Clinical Guide to the Use of Vitamin C, reprinted in its entirety at this link: http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/198x/smith-lh-clinica l_guide_1988.htm The writings of retired veterinarian Dr. Wendell Belfield also cover many conditions that he used vitamin C for as far back as the 1960s. Tragically, few vets paid attention to this paper and the profound evidence of how well this therapy works in vet medicine. Dr. Belfield's paper is here: http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/197x/belfield-w-j_int _assn_prev_med-1978-v2-n3-p10.htm The protocol would be rather intensive for a cat with advanced FeLV but if the cat is early into the disease I believe that administration of up to 2,000 mg per pound of body weight for a number of consecutive days (perhaps 10-11) would kill the virus based on Dr. Klenner's explanation. I have seen it kill FIP in a young kitten when administered for 11 consecutive days at nearly 2,000 mg per pound. If you intend to try this for your cat, you should contact me and let me know so that I can give you more specific directions or give your vet the name of my vet. Again, though, I have not yet tried to reverse FeLV in a cat who has had it for years and am not sure if it is even possible. A lot of it would depend if the virus has progressed to the stage that it is already in the cat's bone marrow. Still, being the kind of person I am, I will probably still try that just to satisfy my own interest and, of course, help others to know whether it works. Having just lost three companion animals I have just been so overwhelmed with veterinary expenses that my funds are too low to consider it right now. But as sure as the sun rises in the east, I will. :) FYI, I spoke with a nurse in Pennsylvania this week and she said that there are definitely vets in Pennsylvania who are doing this treatment on animals. It is completely safe and nontoxic for the animal. Regarding the Mega-C Plus, it is an excellent supplement and completely safe for the cat. It was formulated by Dr. Belfield himself. People are misinformed about vitamin C in general, hence the reason I am getting such a barrage of backlash over posting this information. I believe they are just scared and of course, skeptical based on their misinformation. Sally Snyder Jewell, Marketing Director Tower Laboratories Corporation www.HeartTech.com 1-877-TOWER-LABS Practicing Medicine Without a License? The Story of the Linus Pauling Therapy for Heart Disease, by Owen Fonorow and Sally Snyder Jewell -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk- boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sander, Sue Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 6:58 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vit C therapy Sally Snyder Jewell Sally, Please tell me EXACTLY what INTRAVENOUS ASCORBATE is. I have a FELV+ cat who shows no symptoms. Do you recommend this for him? If so, do all vets did this? I live in the Phila Pa area. Also, I have the MEGA C but someone on this list (I think) said it may contain something (that over the long haul) may not be good. What is your opinion on this. Thanks. Susan -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of S. Jewell Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 11:42 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vit C therapy Sally Snyder Jewell Merlin, Indeed
Re: [Felvtalk] Vit C therapy Sally Snyder Jewell
You're more than welcome, Susan. Always happy to help. Sally Snyder Jewell, Marketing Director Tower Laboratories Corporation www.HeartTech.com 1-877-TOWER-LABS Practicing Medicine Without a License? The Story of the Linus Pauling Therapy for Heart Disease, by Owen Fonorow and Sally Snyder Jewell -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk- boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sander, Sue Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 12:46 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vit C therapy Sally Snyder Jewell Hi Sally, Thank you for this information. Susan -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of S. Jewell Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 12:20 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vit C therapy Sally Snyder Jewell Hi, Susan, Intravenous ascorbate is vitamin C in the form of sodium ascorbate administrated intravenously (directly into the animal's veins) at high doses in veterinary medicine. It is typically mixed with sodium chloride and administered over the course of a few hours, depending on how much vitamin C the cat will be receiving. I have used it with my FeLV cat Linus for his lymphoma and was able to put him into remission for going on two years now when the diagnosing vet had told me he had about 4-6 weeks to live in early 2008. We administered it over the course of a year (2x a week for three months), six months off, then 2x a week for three more months). We did not reverse his FeLV with the low dose he was getting (1,000 mg per pound of body weight). However, I am going to be trying this therapy more intensively for the next young FeLV that comes into my care, for I truly believe that if I can administer the ascorbate in the early stages of the disease before it has a chance to progress too far the ascorbate will reverse it. For information on why and how intravenous vitamin C kills these viruses, see Dr. Fred Klenner's paper, Clinical Guide to the Use of Vitamin C, reprinted in its entirety at this link: http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/198x/smith-lh-clinica l_guide_1988.htm The writings of retired veterinarian Dr. Wendell Belfield also cover many conditions that he used vitamin C for as far back as the 1960s. Tragically, few vets paid attention to this paper and the profound evidence of how well this therapy works in vet medicine. Dr. Belfield's paper is here: http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/197x/belfield-w-j_int _assn_prev_med-1978-v2-n3-p10.htm The protocol would be rather intensive for a cat with advanced FeLV but if the cat is early into the disease I believe that administration of up to 2,000 mg per pound of body weight for a number of consecutive days (perhaps 10-11) would kill the virus based on Dr. Klenner's explanation. I have seen it kill FIP in a young kitten when administered for 11 consecutive days at nearly 2,000 mg per pound. If you intend to try this for your cat, you should contact me and let me know so that I can give you more specific directions or give your vet the name of my vet. Again, though, I have not yet tried to reverse FeLV in a cat who has had it for years and am not sure if it is even possible. A lot of it would depend if the virus has progressed to the stage that it is already in the cat's bone marrow. Still, being the kind of person I am, I will probably still try that just to satisfy my own interest and, of course, help others to know whether it works. Having just lost three companion animals I have just been so overwhelmed with veterinary expenses that my funds are too low to consider it right now. But as sure as the sun rises in the east, I will. :) FYI, I spoke with a nurse in Pennsylvania this week and she said that there are definitely vets in Pennsylvania who are doing this treatment on animals. It is completely safe and nontoxic for the animal. Regarding the Mega-C Plus, it is an excellent supplement and completely safe for the cat. It was formulated by Dr. Belfield himself. People are misinformed about vitamin C in general, hence the reason I am getting such a barrage of backlash over posting this information. I believe they are just scared and of course, skeptical based on their misinformation. Sally Snyder Jewell, Marketing Director Tower Laboratories Corporation www.HeartTech.com 1-877-TOWER-LABS Practicing Medicine Without a License? The Story of the Linus Pauling Therapy for Heart Disease, by Owen Fonorow and Sally Snyder Jewell -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk- boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sander, Sue Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 6:58 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vit C therapy Sally Snyder
Re: [Felvtalk] Vit C therapy Sally Snyder Jewell
You're more than welcome, Susan. Always happy to help. Sally Snyder Jewell, Marketing Director Tower Laboratories Corporation www.HeartTech.com 1-877-TOWER-LABS Practicing Medicine Without a License? The Story of the Linus Pauling Therapy for Heart Disease, by Owen Fonorow and Sally Snyder Jewell -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk- boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sander, Sue Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 12:46 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vit C therapy Sally Snyder Jewell Hi Sally, Thank you for this information. Susan -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of S. Jewell Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 12:20 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vit C therapy Sally Snyder Jewell Hi, Susan, Intravenous ascorbate is vitamin C in the form of sodium ascorbate administrated intravenously (directly into the animal's veins) at high doses in veterinary medicine. It is typically mixed with sodium chloride and administered over the course of a few hours, depending on how much vitamin C the cat will be receiving. I have used it with my FeLV cat Linus for his lymphoma and was able to put him into remission for going on two years now when the diagnosing vet had told me he had about 4-6 weeks to live in early 2008. We administered it over the course of a year (2x a week for three months), six months off, then 2x a week for three more months). We did not reverse his FeLV with the low dose he was getting (1,000 mg per pound of body weight). However, I am going to be trying this therapy more intensively for the next young FeLV that comes into my care, for I truly believe that if I can administer the ascorbate in the early stages of the disease before it has a chance to progress too far the ascorbate will reverse it. For information on why and how intravenous vitamin C kills these viruses, see Dr. Fred Klenner's paper, Clinical Guide to the Use of Vitamin C, reprinted in its entirety at this link: http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/198x/smith-lh-clinica l_guide_1988.htm The writings of retired veterinarian Dr. Wendell Belfield also cover many conditions that he used vitamin C for as far back as the 1960s. Tragically, few vets paid attention to this paper and the profound evidence of how well this therapy works in vet medicine. Dr. Belfield's paper is here: http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/197x/belfield-w-j_int _assn_prev_med-1978-v2-n3-p10.htm The protocol would be rather intensive for a cat with advanced FeLV but if the cat is early into the disease I believe that administration of up to 2,000 mg per pound of body weight for a number of consecutive days (perhaps 10-11) would kill the virus based on Dr. Klenner's explanation. I have seen it kill FIP in a young kitten when administered for 11 consecutive days at nearly 2,000 mg per pound. If you intend to try this for your cat, you should contact me and let me know so that I can give you more specific directions or give your vet the name of my vet. Again, though, I have not yet tried to reverse FeLV in a cat who has had it for years and am not sure if it is even possible. A lot of it would depend if the virus has progressed to the stage that it is already in the cat's bone marrow. Still, being the kind of person I am, I will probably still try that just to satisfy my own interest and, of course, help others to know whether it works. Having just lost three companion animals I have just been so overwhelmed with veterinary expenses that my funds are too low to consider it right now. But as sure as the sun rises in the east, I will. :) FYI, I spoke with a nurse in Pennsylvania this week and she said that there are definitely vets in Pennsylvania who are doing this treatment on animals. It is completely safe and nontoxic for the animal. Regarding the Mega-C Plus, it is an excellent supplement and completely safe for the cat. It was formulated by Dr. Belfield himself. People are misinformed about vitamin C in general, hence the reason I am getting such a barrage of backlash over posting this information. I believe they are just scared and of course, skeptical based on their misinformation. Sally Snyder Jewell, Marketing Director Tower Laboratories Corporation www.HeartTech.com 1-877-TOWER-LABS Practicing Medicine Without a License? The Story of the Linus Pauling Therapy for Heart Disease, by Owen Fonorow and Sally Snyder Jewell -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk- boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sander, Sue Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 6:58 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vit C therapy Sally Snyder
[Felvtalk] Vit C therapy Sally Snyder Jewell
Sally, In the interest of self-disclosure, you should mention that the company you work for, Tower Laboratories, pushes Linus Pauling products and Vitamin C therapy http://hearttechnology.com/ You yourself wrote a book on Vitamin C therapy for heart disease and the Pauling therapy. http://www.sallyjewell.com/ Its your job to push Vitamin C therapy. Can you provide references for any scientific study in the last 10 years on Vitamin C curing FeLV, FIP, stomatis or what have you in cats? Anything published in refereed veterinary medicine journals? I did a Google search looking for anything on Vitamin C and FeLV, and was not able to come up with anything. Anecdotal reports (by you) of Vitamin C therapy curing a cat of a fatal disease are one thing, and could well be true. But it remains hearsay and anecdotal until there is a formal scientific study proving the point. I think it is unfair of you to get the hopes up of people desperate to save the lives of their beloved pets by pushing Vitamin C therapy as proven fact for a relatively cheap cure, when there is nothing in the scientific literature supporting your claims. If you pose it as experimental, with anecdotal stories of its effectiveness, that may or may not help/save people's animals, then people can go in a bit more informed that maybe it might work - but maybe it won't. And be prepared if it won't. You will probably call me all sorts of names, and proclaim I am part of the evil scientific system that aims to squash research into simple cures with no money for big business. Fine. But give me some proof, otherwise you are just selling snake oil and preying on people's love of their pets. Here's one for you: why don't you talk your company, Tower Laboratories into footing the bill for a scientific study on the curative powers of Vitamin C? Pick any feline fatal disease, they could all use an effective cure. Put out a call for sick animals, say ones with veterinary diagnosed FeLV, have standards for what exactly diagnoses FeLV. Then set up a dosing protocol, have weekly reportings about the subject cats, get diagnostic blood work once a month or so, keep records, make charts, and publish in a reputable veterinary medicine journal. If your company is so sure this is a cure for everything that ails you, let them put up the money to prove it. By the way, why isn't Tower Labs running scientific studies to prove their claims? I would love it if something simple like Vitamin C therapy would cure FeLV cats. I have a friend whose favorite cat is dying from that horrible disease right now. She isn't wealthy and like a lot of people could use a cheap cure for her beloved pet. But right now I don't see anything that convinces me Vitamin C therapy works any better than anything else out there. Merlin Message: 12 Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 23:24:26 -0500 From: S. Jewell ssjew...@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] stomatitis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Message-ID: mailman.5.1260813605.31366.felvtalk_felineleukemia@felineleukemia.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Don't be afraid to push the cat to bowel tolerance if giving vitamin C orally. The best type of vitamin C for pushing to bowel tolerance would be a pure sodium ascorbate powder (no other vitamins) mixed into the cat's wet food with liver powder to help flavor it. Increase the amount daily until the cat has loose stool, then back down and try again until the cat consistently has diarrhea at a certain level. Just below that level would be bowel tolerance. For those of you who may be concerned about all the negative propaganda surrounding the use of high levels of vitamin C, don't be. It is completely and totally benign and nontoxic at any level and will not harm your cat. Cats (and dogs) make only 40 mg per kilogram of body weight per day, whereas a mouse makes 275. Based on this it is easy to see why cats and dogs succumb to so much viral disease, infection and cancer and other animals do not. The difference in the amount they make is likely due to the high level of domestication of cats and dogs compared to their wild ancestors and also the poor quality of food that they are reduced to eating. Remember to try to spread the dosing out to a couple of times a day, as animals usually make vitamin C 24/7 in the liver. Again, do not be afraid to give your cat vitamin C to bowel tolerance, for you will see the most benefit and healing at the highest possible dosing. Intravenous is best, followed by subcutaneous or intramuscular injections, followed by oral. The Injections sting a little and the cats are not crazy about them but faster healing will be seen with this administration over the oral dosing. However, however you can get it into the cat, the key is using enough, starting immediately, and being consistent. Sally Snyder Jewell Tower
Re: [Felvtalk] Vit C therapy Sally Snyder Jewell
diseases and conditions, the NIH has twice been petitioned for and twice denied a grant for funding for such clinical trials of the Pauling therapy for heart disease, the leading cause of death in this country. It's really not hard for the thinking person to do the math and figure out why. The research is indeed being quashed and the biggest business to benefit is the pharmaceutical industry. The science behind the power of vitamin C for reversing disease in humans and animals is sound and predates World War II. Other veterinary clinics are using intravenous vitamin C with the same types of success that we have seen, and owners are taking their pets to them for treatment from across the U.S. With a little effort these clinics can be located and contacted for additional information or treatment. In closing, to those of you who might - by some miracle after the negative light cast upon it - still be considering the use of vitamin C therapy for your companion dogs and cats or rescues, the most important thing I can tell you is to be broad-minded about what this acid can do for animals (and humans) in its various forms and what diseases it can treat, some of which are outlined in Dr. Belfield's paper at http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/197x/belfield-w-j_int _assn_prev_med-1978-v2-n3-p10.htm. Don't be afraid to try because you have never heard about it, because there have been no clinical trials, or because you're afraid to get your hopes up only to have your heart broken if it doesn't work. Your heart will be broken anyway, time and again, as more cherished animals succumb to the ravages of these diseases while you stand helplessly watching. The choice would seem a simple one, regardless of one person's opinion otherwise. Sally Snyder Jewell www.SallysCatHouse.com (perhaps this signature will better qualify me to post here) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vit C therapy Sally Snyder Jewell
diseases and conditions, the NIH has twice been petitioned for and twice denied a grant for funding for such clinical trials of the Pauling therapy for heart disease, the leading cause of death in this country. It's really not hard for the thinking person to do the math and figure out why. The research is indeed being quashed and the biggest business to benefit is the pharmaceutical industry. The science behind the power of vitamin C for reversing disease in humans and animals is sound and predates World War II. Other veterinary clinics are using intravenous vitamin C with the same types of success that we have seen, and owners are taking their pets to them for treatment from across the U.S. With a little effort these clinics can be located and contacted for additional information or treatment. In closing, to those of you who might - by some miracle after the negative light cast upon it - still be considering the use of vitamin C therapy for your companion dogs and cats or rescues, the most important thing I can tell you is to be broad-minded about what this acid can do for animals (and humans) in its various forms and what diseases it can treat, some of which are outlined in Dr. Belfield's paper at http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/197x/belfield-w-j_int _assn_prev_med-1978-v2-n3-p10.htm. Don't be afraid to try because you have never heard about it, because there have been no clinical trials, or because you're afraid to get your hopes up only to have your heart broken if it doesn't work. Your heart will be broken anyway, time and again, as more cherished animals succumb to the ravages of these diseases while you stand helplessly watching. The choice would seem a simple one, regardless of one person's opinion otherwise. Sally Snyder Jewell www.SallysCatHouse.com (perhaps this signature will better qualify me to post here) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Fw: Big Prayers for Lukey and Sally
I am saying multiple, multiple prayers for you both!! How many injections has he had so far? We just gave the 2nd one Friday night to Rosie and Murphy. We had lost Rosie's 4 brothers within a 5 month period and they were so young, 6 1/2 months to just turned a year old. We had tried a transfusion that went badly on the 2nd brother. We've had them on Interferon for a long time and now are giving it 2 times a day-it just slows the virus down, but it is ever advancing. We didn't wait for our last two to crash...we know it's coming. We begged our vet to order the Imulan and she did. They are as anxious as we are to see how it goes. Yes, we all know it is just an Aid, as everyone here does. It is posted as such on the Imulan website. What I do know is that Rosie and Murphy are playing much more and much harder-they fly around the house-up and down the cat trees and are now chasing each other-something they haven't done before. They have spent 85% of their short lives on antibiotics for one infection after another. In June and July, I thought Murphy was going to die-he was vomiting and had diarreah so bad- 2 courses of Zithromax and he pulled through. After watching Schatzi-the last brother to pass, struggle to breathe as his lungs filled with fluid and he cried out over and over-his heart rate through the roof and he was panting-his little ribs and chest heaving to get oxygenno, this is the hardest thing to go through as a parentdriving in the middle of the night again to UC Davis to release him from his agony like his 3 brothers before him-a monthly ritual. I didn't ask for a litter of sick feral kittens a year ago, but it is what I got. I didn't ask to fall in love with these 6 kittens, but we did-and thank goodness, my husband, my son and his wifewere as smitten as I am. I HAVE TO TRY to save these last 2 and I don't want to be told basically that I am a fool. I work long hard days, we are already struggling-but we CHOOSE to buy the Imulan and we are saving money by administering the shots at home. Our vet will work with us on the CBCs every 2 weeks (Rosie's platelets were low last week) -and this treatment is way cheaper than a transfusion. Bless all who are staying hopeful and positive that someday we will find a Treatment Aid that helps these poor babies. Alice ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sally and Lukey
great information, jenny. thanks for sharing it with us, as it can make such a difference when we know the right things to discuss with our vets! On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 4:13 PM, jbero tds.net -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sally and Lukey
Thanks for your input, Belinda. You have all been so much help and thankfully I don't feel alone in this journey. It's such a comfort knowing others have been through this and can share insight that would otherwise be unavailable to me. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. Lukey just came home from the vet today. He has a feeding tube through his nose which he hates but he's obviously glad to be back home and I'm obviously glad to have a way to feed him that doesn't involve kicking and scratching! The good news is that his reticulocyte count is climbing and the bad news is that his hematocrit is lower at around 14%. I have been talking with Jenny off and on today about what his profile means and how likely it is that his number will continue to fall while we wait on his red blood cells to regenerate sufficiently to raise it. She told me that Autumn went from 14 to 4 in a week but that she only had one shot of LTCI on board at the time and was not yet showing regeneration. Lukey still has his catheter in for another day or two just in case. So for now I'm going to watch him very closely and have a vet lined up in case a transfusion is necessary. If you believe in prayer, we could sure use some extra in the coming days while we wait on the LTCI to continue to help him. Sally Snyder Jewell, Marketing Director Tower Laboratories Corporation Manufacturers of Pauling Therapy Formulas for Coronary Heart Disease Since 1996 http://www.HeartTech.com E-mail: sa...@towerlaboratories.com Toll Free: 1-877-TOWER-LABS (1-877.869.3752) Voice: 502.368.2720; 502.368.2721 Fax: 502.368.0019 Pauling Therapy Information Web site: http://www.HeartTech.com Pauling Therapy Order Link: http://www.PaulingTherapyStore.com The information provided herein is educational and is not intended as either diagnosis or treatment. The content of this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is directly addressed or copied. It may contain material of confidential and/or private nature. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is not allowed. If you received this message and the information contained therein by error, please contact the sender and delete the material from your/any storage medium. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk- boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 10:01 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sally and Lukey My Vet will wait as low as 12 but it really depends on the cat and the shape they are in. Fred's HCT is at 20 right now the lowest it's been since he started down this road of kidney insufficiency 4 years ago. I think if he goes too much lower he will have to start epogen. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felinele ukemia.o rg ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sally and Lukey
Thanks for your input, Belinda. You have all been so much help and thankfully I don't feel alone in this journey. It's such a comfort knowing others have been through this and can share insight that would otherwise be unavailable to me. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. Lukey just came home from the vet today. He has a feeding tube through his nose which he hates but he's obviously glad to be back home and I'm obviously glad to have a way to feed him that doesn't involve kicking and scratching! The good news is that his reticulocyte count is climbing and the bad news is that his hematocrit is lower at around 14%. I have been talking with Jenny off and on today about what his profile means and how likely it is that his number will continue to fall while we wait on his red blood cells to regenerate sufficiently to raise it. She told me that Autumn went from 14 to 4 in a week but that she only had one shot of LTCI on board at the time and was not yet showing regeneration. Lukey still has his catheter in for another day or two just in case. So for now I'm going to watch him very closely and have a vet lined up in case a transfusion is necessary. If you believe in prayer, we could sure use some extra in the coming days while we wait on the LTCI to continue to help him. Sally Snyder Jewell, Marketing Director Tower Laboratories Corporation Manufacturers of Pauling Therapy Formulas for Coronary Heart Disease Since 1996 http://www.HeartTech.com E-mail: sa...@towerlaboratories.com Toll Free: 1-877-TOWER-LABS (1-877.869.3752) Voice: 502.368.2720; 502.368.2721 Fax: 502.368.0019 Pauling Therapy Information Web site: http://www.HeartTech.com Pauling Therapy Order Link: http://www.PaulingTherapyStore.com The information provided herein is educational and is not intended as either diagnosis or treatment. The content of this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is directly addressed or copied. It may contain material of confidential and/or private nature. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is not allowed. If you received this message and the information contained therein by error, please contact the sender and delete the material from your/any storage medium. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk- boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 10:01 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sally and Lukey My Vet will wait as low as 12 but it really depends on the cat and the shape they are in. Fred's HCT is at 20 right now the lowest it's been since he started down this road of kidney insufficiency 4 years ago. I think if he goes too much lower he will have to start epogen. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felinele ukemia.o rg ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sally and Lukey
Sally, If Lukey needs to be fed for more than a day or tow the nasel tube is VERY uncomfortable, you'd really be better served getting an e tube, I've had 3 kitties with this and it was a life saver, none of them had any problems with it and all of them gained back the lost weight and then some. Bailey my FeLV+ was one of them. It really was a very bonding time time all of us because you get very close, Buddie my cancer kitty loved her feedings and would run to the couch in anticipation when she saw me go in the kitchen and get her syringes ready for feeding, she would lay with all fours under her and purr while I fed her and promptly lay on her side for a nap when we were done. We got very close. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sally and Lukey
Belinda, We were just concerned about sedating him to put the e-tube in, since he's weak and his RBCs so low. Have any of you ever had an e-tube placed in a cat that was this anemic? Again, any information or advice I can glean from all of you is most appreciated and heeded, since this is my first FeLV kitty to crash. Thanks! Sally Snyder Jewell Sally Snyder Jewell, Marketing Director Tower Laboratories Corporation Manufacturers of Pauling Therapy Formulas for Coronary Heart Disease Since 1996 http://www.HeartTech.com E-mail: sa...@towerlaboratories.com Toll Free: 1-877-TOWER-LABS (1-877.869.3752) Voice: 502.368.2720; 502.368.2721 Fax: 502.368.0019 Pauling Therapy Information Web site: http://www.HeartTech.com Pauling Therapy Order Link: http://www.PaulingTherapyStore.com The information provided herein is educational and is not intended as either diagnosis or treatment. The content of this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is directly addressed or copied. It may contain material of confidential and/or private nature. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is not allowed. If you received this message and the information contained therein by error, please contact the sender and delete the material from your/any storage medium. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk- boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 5:46 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sally and Lukey Sally, If Lukey needs to be fed for more than a day or tow the nasel tube is VERY uncomfortable, you'd really be better served getting an e tube, I've had 3 kitties with this and it was a life saver, none of them had any problems with it and all of them gained back the lost weight and then some. Bailey my FeLV+ was one of them. It really was a very bonding time time all of us because you get very close, Buddie my cancer kitty loved her feedings and would run to the couch in anticipation when she saw me go in the kitchen and get her syringes ready for feeding, she would lay with all fours under her and purr while I fed her and promptly lay on her side for a nap when we were done. We got very close. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felinele ukemia.o rg ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sally and Lukey
Belinda, We were just concerned about sedating him to put the e-tube in, since he's weak and his RBCs so low. Have any of you ever had an e-tube placed in a cat that was this anemic? Again, any information or advice I can glean from all of you is most appreciated and heeded, since this is my first FeLV kitty to crash. Thanks! Sally Snyder Jewell Sally Snyder Jewell, Marketing Director Tower Laboratories Corporation Manufacturers of Pauling Therapy Formulas for Coronary Heart Disease Since 1996 http://www.HeartTech.com E-mail: sa...@towerlaboratories.com Toll Free: 1-877-TOWER-LABS (1-877.869.3752) Voice: 502.368.2720; 502.368.2721 Fax: 502.368.0019 Pauling Therapy Information Web site: http://www.HeartTech.com Pauling Therapy Order Link: http://www.PaulingTherapyStore.com The information provided herein is educational and is not intended as either diagnosis or treatment. The content of this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is directly addressed or copied. It may contain material of confidential and/or private nature. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is not allowed. If you received this message and the information contained therein by error, please contact the sender and delete the material from your/any storage medium. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk- boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 5:46 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sally and Lukey Sally, If Lukey needs to be fed for more than a day or tow the nasel tube is VERY uncomfortable, you'd really be better served getting an e tube, I've had 3 kitties with this and it was a life saver, none of them had any problems with it and all of them gained back the lost weight and then some. Bailey my FeLV+ was one of them. It really was a very bonding time time all of us because you get very close, Buddie my cancer kitty loved her feedings and would run to the couch in anticipation when she saw me go in the kitchen and get her syringes ready for feeding, she would lay with all fours under her and purr while I fed her and promptly lay on her side for a nap when we were done. We got very close. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felinele ukemia.o rg ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sally and Lukey
Typically a nasal tube is used at the hospital for cats too weak for an e-tube. Some have used a nasal tube at home. You have to use a liquid food like Clinicare with the nasal tube. Have you joined the Yahoo Assist Feeding group? http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/ There is info in their files on members who have used a nasal tube at home. I would follow your vets advise as to whether Lukey is strong enough for the procedure for an e-tube. Check out the FAF files on e-tubes if you go that route. E-tube placement should be a simple procedure but there is always a risk with a sick kitty. Sharyl --- On Sat, 9/26/09, Tower Laboratories Corporation sa...@towerlaboratories.com wrote: From: Tower Laboratories Corporation sa...@towerlaboratories.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sally and Lukey To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, September 26, 2009, 5:52 PM Belinda, We were just concerned about sedating him to put the e-tube in, since he's weak and his RBCs so low. Have any of you ever had an e-tube placed in a cat that was this anemic? Again, any information or advice I can glean from all of you is most appreciated and heeded, since this is my first FeLV kitty to crash. Thanks! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sally and Lukey
Bailey's HCT was around 18 or 20 when he had his etube put in. The main thing they were worried about was clotting and he was clotting OK. I don't remember were you looking at doing a transfusion? Lukey's HCT was 14 is that right? That is about the point where a transfusion would be considered. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sally and Lukey
When Bailey had his done it was done with I think a local and isoflouren (sp) gas, the procedure takes about 15 to 20 minutes. I'm not positive of that because it has been almost 4 years ago. I do know my vet had only done about 2 of them and actually had the manual on the procedure with her and even so it only took 15 or 20 minutes. I guess if you are considering a transfusion you may want to wait until after that. Sending lots of prayers for Lukey, if he is OK with the nasel tube I would just stay with that and get food into him, also vitamin b, folic acid and Nutrived these all will help build new blood -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Sally and Lukey
Sally, Not a good report, but not entirely without hope either. Do you happen to know the specific numbers on the CBCs? Get a copy of the reports. Read them carefully - vets miss things sometimes and don't always remember to convey all the information they have when they meet with you. It happens, not intentionally or maliciously. Here is specifically what I would like to know: 1. Reticulocyte count for each CBC you had done- if this number is increasing (I would like to see by way of thousands or tens of thousands) than you are certainly on the right path and need only wait until those cells become mature enough to replenish the RBCs in the peripheral blood. A regenerating anemia is defined as a reticulocyte count greater than 15,000 (for most labs). An exact number and change in numbers over time would give me a better idea of what is going on in his bone marrow. Understand that it takes time for these cells to mature before they become fully functional for his needs - in the meantime a blood transfusion could be necessary. 2.Hematocrit - most vets will transfuse around 18 or 19. If this is his first transfusion and he has a hematocrit around 14-15, I would not hesitate to transfuse. In general the first transfusion is kind of a freebee. They generally do not have a reaction until subsequent transfusions. Your vet, however, should make sure that the transfused blood is a match for Lukey. You can do a type and cross or a full panel (~$100.00). If she is uncomfortable about this I would go to an emergency vet or someone who feels comfortable doing them. It should be a slow transfusion and he should be monitored for any signs of a reaction. If there is, you simply stop the transfusion. It is a risk/benefit analysis. In my opinion, a hematocrit of 15 is certainly worth transfusing. I would not hesitate - not even one day. Again, I would like to see the numbers. 3. Lymphocytes - this number should be increasing as a sign of stimulated immune response (a sign the LTCI is working)- I would like to know all results from the first to the last blood draws. 4. Platlets - an increase in these also suggests a stimulated bone marrow indicating the LTCI is working. Autumn had a hematocrit of 10, I believe, when I brought her in for the first visit. She had a hematocrit of 4 when I transfused her. I would not recommend waiting this long. She was dying, a matter of hours and she would have died. Do not wait until this point. Here's the concept. Mature RBCs live about 2 1/2 to 3 months in most cats, at the end of that time, the spleen destroys the old cells in anticipation of new ones. It is likely that Lukey has had a suppressed production of RBCs for quite some time and now the old RBCs are being destroyed. If his bone marrow sort of woke up after the LTCI injection, it takes weeks for the bone marrow to generate the cells and then more time for them to mature. So in the cycle of normal bone marrow production of RBCs and destruction by the spleen, Lukey's cycle was interrupted and now weeks later when the old RBCs are dying there aren't any new mature ones to take their place. If there is evidence that the bone marrow is waking up (increased reticulocyte count, lymphocyte count and platelet count) what you need to do is provide supportive care until those cells can mature and do their job. This may very well include a transfusion. I would not fear the transfusion because of a reaction if he is that severely anemic. Everyday his old cells are dying. It is a race between new maturing RBCs and destruction of the old ones. The statement that Lukey has a regenerative anemia is very promising. Right now is a very difficult time for you and for him as he is in the lull between the suppressing effects of Felv+ and the hopefully productive effects of LTCI. You are seeing a clinically diminishing status but his lab work suggests improvement. I would rely on the labs and take heart in the promising numbers. If you give me the numbers I can tell you how happy or not happy I would be with the presence of and rate of improvement. Take heart knowing that the clnical improvement will be slow and delayed from the lab tests. What you see improving in lab values you should see reflected in clinical improvement with time. Be patient but don't hesitate to transfuse if necessary. This is my opinion and how I would evaluate and proceed with an animal of my own. There is never a guarantee, but I will pray for you and for him. If there is anything more I can do, please don't hesitate to ask. Jenny ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sally and Lukey
My Vet will wait as low as 12 but it really depends on the cat and the shape they are in. Fred's HCT is at 20 right now the lowest it's been since he started down this road of kidney insufficiency 4 years ago. I think if he goes too much lower he will have to start epogen. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Autumn update and Sally
glad someone else is having good luck with their babies. my Lil Bit was looking pretty rough and had lost a lot of weight so took her to vet and did a full panel on her and strted fluids and antibiotic right away. learned one thing, warm up the fluids to your own body temperature before giving them to your cat. she fused with me the first time (hadn't thought about warming fulids) then i got smart and put the bag in a bowl of warm water first. she still did not like getting stuck, but things went a lot smoother after that. did fluids 2 times a day. when blood work came back, her creatine and bun readings were off the chart. went back last week for recheck since she was looking much better, eatng better and her counts are normal. that baby food sure did come in handy during that time. it was easy for her to eat and she did like it. did not have to feed her, she ate it on her own. how lucky can a body get? continued good fortune for all with sick babies, it is almost as hard on us as it is on them. like a mother caring for her sick child. dorlis jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net wrote: Hey everyone, First of all, Sally, I am glad you are getting some food down him. That will help tremendously. The fact that he hasn't thrown it up is even more fantastic. I just wanted to give you a quick update on Autumn. I got the full results of the CBC (although a path review is pending). Here are the results: Platlet count - first CBC = 20,000; most recent = 52,000 (up 32,000) Hct - first = 9; most recent 11.5 - difficult to compare due to transfusion Here's the kicker: reticulocyte count - most recent 5.9% (normal = 0-1%) Sorry I don't have the original Absolute reticulocyte count - first = 11,000; most recent = 113,280 (up 102,000) A quick background note - the reticulocyte count is an indicator of bone marrow regenerating normal RBCs - reticulocytes are young maturing RBCs Regenerative anemia is considered to be present when the absolute retic. count is greater than 15,000. Before the injection she had a non regenerative anemia, now it is regenerative. She is producing her own RBCs and platlets! Amen and Hallelujah! Thank you everyone for your prayers and hope. I will keep you updated. Sally if you have any questions or need anything just call or email. Good luck and God bless. Jenny ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Autumn update and Sally
Hey everyone, First of all, Sally, I am glad you are getting some food down him. That will help tremendously. The fact that he hasn't thrown it up is even more fantastic. I just wanted to give you a quick update on Autumn. I got the full results of the CBC (although a path review is pending). Here are the results: Platlet count - first CBC = 20,000; most recent = 52,000 (up 32,000) Hct - first = 9; most recent 11.5 - difficult to compare due to transfusion Here's the kicker: reticulocyte count - most recent 5.9% (normal = 0-1%) Sorry I don't have the original Absolute reticulocyte count - first = 11,000; most recent = 113,280 (up 102,000) A quick background note - the reticulocyte count is an indicator of bone marrow regenerating normal RBCs - reticulocytes are young maturing RBCs Regenerative anemia is considered to be present when the absolute retic. count is greater than 15,000. Before the injection she had a non regenerative anemia, now it is regenerative. She is producing her own RBCs and platlets! Amen and Hallelujah! Thank you everyone for your prayers and hope. I will keep you updated. Sally if you have any questions or need anything just call or email. Good luck and God bless. Jenny ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Autumn update and Sally
Jenny, this is fantastic news! Thank-you so much for sharing with all of us (and your interpretationI would have been lost without your explanation of the significance of the reticulocyte numbers!). Amen and Hallelujah is right! Autumn is a lucky girl to have you! Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of jbero tds.net Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 10:01 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Autumn update and Sally Hey everyone, I just wanted to give you a quick update on Autumn. . Here are the results: Platlet count - first CBC = 20,000; most recent = 52,000 (up 32,000) Hct - first = 9; most recent 11.5 - difficult to compare due to transfusion Here's the kicker: reticulocyte count - most recent 5.9% (normal = 0-1%) Sorry I don't have the original Absolute reticulocyte count - first = 11,000; most recent = 113,280 (up 102,000) A quick background note - the reticulocyte count is an indicator of bone marrow regenerating normal RBCs - reticulocytes are young maturing RBCs Regenerative anemia is considered to be present when the absolute retic. count is greater than 15,000. Before the injection she had a non regenerative anemia, now it is regenerative. She is producing her own RBCs and platlets! Amen and Hallelujah! Thank you everyone for your prayers and hope. I will keep you updated. Jenny ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) for Sally
Sally, that is so encouraging that he WANTS the food. That is great. Please check out the link suggested in earlier emails today with subject assisted feeding. It is important for Lukey to get the same amount of food via syringe that he ate before getting sick. You want to avoid liver failure. Please keep us posted. Lukey is lucky to have you. Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of S. Jewell Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 5:56 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) Thank you very much, Jane. I appreciate your concern and suggestions. I heard from Jenny via e-mail after she called and I wasn't home. At her suggestion, I bought some A/D and Gatorade and have begun to force feed Lukey. He took right to the food like he was grateful to have it and I will be giving him some Gatorade later tonight and then feeding again even later. I got about 1/3 of a can of A/D down him via syringe, which I thought was pretty good for a first effort. He is getting thinner and weaker while we wait on the shot to kick in but on Saturday he was not yet severely anemic, so hopefully I have some time. We'll know tomorrow when I take him back to the vet, which he will certainly hate. At least she can rehydrate him and maybe check him again for lymphocyte and RBC count. Anyway, God bless you and all of the others who post here in an effort to help others. I appreciate it very much. Sally Jewell -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk- boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Lyons Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 11:13 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) Sally I hope Jenny sees this post. You might send another post with Jenny/ Autumn in the subject. I also hope that you can get your boy through this scary time until your vet opens on Tuesday. I hope you can get help for him. Jaane On Sep 6, 2009, at 1:37 PM, S. Jewell wrote: Hi, All, I'm new to this and not exactly sure how it works, but I desperately need to speak personally to Jenny, who recently posted about her FeLV kitty Autumn and her improvement with the transfusion, Ambrotose and the Imulan injection (I presume that's what it was). I am treating one of my FeLV boys right now who is not eating and has been hospitalized for a few days with low lymphocyte count and mild anemia. He came home yesterday after being on fluids for his fever for several days at the vet. He got his first LTCI injection yesterday before he came home and he's a bit feverish again and not eating. My vet doesn't open again until Tuesday and I am worried. I am preparing to buy the Acemannan, which I presume is a similar product to Ambrotose, but I would really love to speak with Jenny about the transfusion process and what Autumn's state was before the transfusion and how she responded. I apologize if this is the wrong way to go about this but again, this is all new to me. My Lukey boy is my first FeLV cat to become sick and it came up so suddenly that it has thrown us for a loop. We are beyond heart sick and desperate to help me in any additional ways such as transfusion, etc. Thanks. Sally Jewell 502-363-1002 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felinele ukemia.o rg ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felinele ukemia.o rg ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) for Sally
Thanks so much for the encouragement and information, Laurie. This is a heartbreaking situation for us, as all of you know too well. Sally Jewell -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk- boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Laurieskatz Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 7:11 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) for Sally Sally, that is so encouraging that he WANTS the food. That is great. Please check out the link suggested in earlier emails today with subject assisted feeding. It is important for Lukey to get the same amount of food via syringe that he ate before getting sick. You want to avoid liver failure. Please keep us posted. Lukey is lucky to have you. Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of S. Jewell Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 5:56 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) Thank you very much, Jane. I appreciate your concern and suggestions. I heard from Jenny via e-mail after she called and I wasn't home. At her suggestion, I bought some A/D and Gatorade and have begun to force feed Lukey. He took right to the food like he was grateful to have it and I will be giving him some Gatorade later tonight and then feeding again even later. I got about 1/3 of a can of A/D down him via syringe, which I thought was pretty good for a first effort. He is getting thinner and weaker while we wait on the shot to kick in but on Saturday he was not yet severely anemic, so hopefully I have some time. We'll know tomorrow when I take him back to the vet, which he will certainly hate. At least she can rehydrate him and maybe check him again for lymphocyte and RBC count. Anyway, God bless you and all of the others who post here in an effort to help others. I appreciate it very much. Sally Jewell -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk- boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Lyons Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 11:13 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) Sally I hope Jenny sees this post. You might send another post with Jenny/ Autumn in the subject. I also hope that you can get your boy through this scary time until your vet opens on Tuesday. I hope you can get help for him. Jaane On Sep 6, 2009, at 1:37 PM, S. Jewell wrote: Hi, All, I'm new to this and not exactly sure how it works, but I desperately need to speak personally to Jenny, who recently posted about her FeLV kitty Autumn and her improvement with the transfusion, Ambrotose and the Imulan injection (I presume that's what it was). I am treating one of my FeLV boys right now who is not eating and has been hospitalized for a few days with low lymphocyte count and mild anemia. He came home yesterday after being on fluids for his fever for several days at the vet. He got his first LTCI injection yesterday before he came home and he's a bit feverish again and not eating. My vet doesn't open again until Tuesday and I am worried. I am preparing to buy the Acemannan, which I presume is a similar product to Ambrotose, but I would really love to speak with Jenny about the transfusion process and what Autumn's state was before the transfusion and how she responded. I apologize if this is the wrong way to go about this but again, this is all new to me. My Lukey boy is my first FeLV cat to become sick and it came up so suddenly that it has thrown us for a loop. We are beyond heart sick and desperate to help me in any additional ways such as transfusion, etc. Thanks. Sally Jewell 502-363-1002 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felinele ukemia.o rg ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felinele ukemia.o rg ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felinele ukemia.o rg ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felinele ukemia.o rg ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) for Sally
Thanks so much for the encouragement and information, Laurie. This is a heartbreaking situation for us, as all of you know too well. Sally Jewell -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk- boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Laurieskatz Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 7:11 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) for Sally Sally, that is so encouraging that he WANTS the food. That is great. Please check out the link suggested in earlier emails today with subject assisted feeding. It is important for Lukey to get the same amount of food via syringe that he ate before getting sick. You want to avoid liver failure. Please keep us posted. Lukey is lucky to have you. Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of S. Jewell Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 5:56 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) Thank you very much, Jane. I appreciate your concern and suggestions. I heard from Jenny via e-mail after she called and I wasn't home. At her suggestion, I bought some A/D and Gatorade and have begun to force feed Lukey. He took right to the food like he was grateful to have it and I will be giving him some Gatorade later tonight and then feeding again even later. I got about 1/3 of a can of A/D down him via syringe, which I thought was pretty good for a first effort. He is getting thinner and weaker while we wait on the shot to kick in but on Saturday he was not yet severely anemic, so hopefully I have some time. We'll know tomorrow when I take him back to the vet, which he will certainly hate. At least she can rehydrate him and maybe check him again for lymphocyte and RBC count. Anyway, God bless you and all of the others who post here in an effort to help others. I appreciate it very much. Sally Jewell -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk- boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Lyons Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 11:13 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) Sally I hope Jenny sees this post. You might send another post with Jenny/ Autumn in the subject. I also hope that you can get your boy through this scary time until your vet opens on Tuesday. I hope you can get help for him. Jaane On Sep 6, 2009, at 1:37 PM, S. Jewell wrote: Hi, All, I'm new to this and not exactly sure how it works, but I desperately need to speak personally to Jenny, who recently posted about her FeLV kitty Autumn and her improvement with the transfusion, Ambrotose and the Imulan injection (I presume that's what it was). I am treating one of my FeLV boys right now who is not eating and has been hospitalized for a few days with low lymphocyte count and mild anemia. He came home yesterday after being on fluids for his fever for several days at the vet. He got his first LTCI injection yesterday before he came home and he's a bit feverish again and not eating. My vet doesn't open again until Tuesday and I am worried. I am preparing to buy the Acemannan, which I presume is a similar product to Ambrotose, but I would really love to speak with Jenny about the transfusion process and what Autumn's state was before the transfusion and how she responded. I apologize if this is the wrong way to go about this but again, this is all new to me. My Lukey boy is my first FeLV cat to become sick and it came up so suddenly that it has thrown us for a loop. We are beyond heart sick and desperate to help me in any additional ways such as transfusion, etc. Thanks. Sally Jewell 502-363-1002 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felinele ukemia.o rg ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felinele ukemia.o rg ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felinele ukemia.o rg ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felinele ukemia.o rg ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: Sally Foster needs some help in the San Fran area
Please cross-post selectively (anyone a member of the Homeless Cat Network?): Talked to Sally and here's the situation: She has not been cited, nothing in writing, yet. She is very worried about two FeLV+ kittens and two FIV+ cats. IF they are seized they would likely be put down immediately. What she needs most right now is some place to put these cats for 4 to 6 weeks to see if the situation will blow over. (She could use adoption assistance or additional foster space to move out some other cats too but the positives are her biggest concern.) Four years ago she had a run-in with animal control but it did just go away. Theyb gave her 60 days to get her numbers down and just never came back. So it may go away again. She does not want to antagonize them by having an attorney make inquiries on her behalf and I tend to agree. She also needs someone computer-savvy in the San Jose area. We are setting her up with a functioning computer and can at least set up a dial up connection for her before she takes the computer home. But she's paying for ATT DSL at home and needs someone in the San Jose area who can get that working for her. On 3/12/08, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: there ARE good a/c officers out there--and when we find them, it is VITAL that we let them know how much they are appreciated. i even know of a couple in texas. too often, however, they are NOT like what people see on animal planet, unless the management is committed to power-within, and not power-over, which is not the most usual attitude in law enforcement. send thank-you notes to the good acos you encounter, please MC On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll try her again this evening too. Several animal control agencies in the Bay Area actually notify their local feral groups when an ear tipped cat comes in. Cats are actually pulled from animal control and returned to their colonies around here. By comparison with what I hear about elsewhere, it's really impressive. Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hopefully she will call you back. I'm glad there is good AC somewhere. On 3/12/08, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried calling last night but got voicemail. Lefft my name and number but have not heard back from her. I have always had a negative impression of ac too but I have seen really good rescue/ac working relationships in the SF/Bay Area and my local ac really impressed me with their light touch during my house fire in August and in the current dealings with a really ugly hoarder situation. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Susan and Kelley for your replies and concern. I'm sure Sally will appreciate any help or advice you can give her. I have an unreasonable fear of animal control, I think of them like I would the gestapo. Sally doesn't seem to be panicking the way I might, but she is quickly taking steps to address any concerns they may have and to locate additional fosters for the cats in her possession. Say a prayer everybody, Nina SHE HAS TO MOVE THE CATS. I don't care if she has to board them, or whatever, but if AC has been there, they ARE COMING BACK. For that matter if I absolutely had to I would let them outside to keep AC from getting their evil hands on them, but that would be a last resort... Please, for the safety of the cats, she has to move them. Of course I am not in that areabut if she needs a shoulder to cry on I can call her tonight. When will AC leave rescuers alone Kelley Subject: Re: Sally Foster needs some help in the San Fran area From: Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:24:10 -0700 (PDT) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org California and Texas are really different. We have very specific laws on the books governing seizures, very rescue friendly state laws. Sally is in the San Jose area, about an hour south of me. I'll call her and get some details. I know California rescue law pretty well. Let me find out what's going on here. She is likely to have a grace period to improve conditions and network with other rescues to make arrangements for the animals. But let me find out what's really going on. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help Clarissa! http://rescuties.chipin.com/clarissasheart http://www.change.org/rescuties -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED
Re: Sally Foster needs some help in the San Fran area
I could cross post to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - list owner is in southern California, as I recall, great guy. Think that's ok? Gloria On Mar 16, 2008, at 12:13 PM, Susan Hoffman wrote: Please cross-post selectively (anyone a member of the Homeless Cat Network?): Talked to Sally and here's the situation: She has not been cited, nothing in writing, yet. She is very worried about two FeLV+ kittens and two FIV+ cats. IF they are seized they would likely be put down immediately. What she needs most right now is some place to put these cats for 4 to 6 weeks to see if the situation will blow over. (She could use adoption assistance or additional foster space to move out some other cats too but the positives are her biggest concern.) Four years ago she had a run-in with animal control but it did just go away. Theyb gave her 60 days to get her numbers down and just never came back. So it may go away again. She does not want to antagonize them by having an attorney make inquiries on her behalf and I tend to agree. She also needs someone computer-savvy in the San Jose area. We are setting her up with a functioning computer and can at least set up a dial up connection for her before she takes the computer home. But she's paying for ATT DSL at home and needs someone in the San Jose area who can get that working for her. On 3/12/08, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: there ARE good a/c officers out there--and when we find them, it is VITAL that we let them know how much they are appreciated. i even know of a couple in texas. too often, however, they are NOT like what people see on animal planet, unless the management is committed to power-within, and not power-over, which is not the most usual attitude in law enforcement. send thank-you notes to the good acos you encounter, please MC On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll try her again this evening too. Several animal control agencies in the Bay Area actually notify their local feral groups when an ear tipped cat comes in. Cats are actually pulled from animal control and returned to their colonies around here. By comparison with what I hear about elsewhere, it's really impressive. Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hopefully she will call you back. I'm glad there is good AC somewhere. On 3/12/08, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried calling last night but got voicemail. Lefft my name and number but have not heard back from her. I have always had a negative impression of ac too but I have seen really good rescue/ac working relationships in the SF/Bay Area and my local ac really impressed me with their light touch during my house fire in August and in the current dealings with a really ugly hoarder situation. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Susan and Kelley for your replies and concern. I'm sure Sally will appreciate any help or advice you can give her. I have an unreasonable fear of animal control, I think of them like I would the gestapo. Sally doesn't seem to be panicking the way I might, but she is quickly taking steps to address any concerns they may have and to locate additional fosters for the cats in her possession. Say a prayer everybody, Nina SHE HAS TO MOVE THE CATS. I don't care if she has to board them, or whatever, but if AC has been there, they ARE COMING BACK. For that matter if I absolutely had to I would let them outside to keep AC from getting their evil hands on them, but that would be a last resort... Please, for the safety of the cats, she has to move them. Of course I am not in that areabut if she needs a shoulder to cry on I can call her tonight. When will AC leave rescuers alone Kelley Subject: Re: Sally Foster needs some help in the San Fran area From: Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:24:10 -0700 (PDT) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org California and Texas are really different. We have very specific laws on the books governing seizures, very rescue friendly state laws. Sally is in the San Jose area, about an hour south of me. I'll call her and get some details. I know California rescue law pretty well. Let me find out what's going on here. She is likely to have a grace period to improve conditions and network with other rescues to make arrangements for the animals. But let me find out what's really going on. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help Clarissa! http://rescuties.chipin.com/clarissasheart http://www.change.org/rescuties -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors
Re: Sally Foster needs some help in the San Fran area
I wish I could help, all I can do is lend moral support. I would still hide any I didn't want stolen under color of law, but I'm understandably a bit paranoid. On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please cross-post selectively (anyone a member of the Homeless Cat Network?): Talked to Sally and here's the situation: She has not been cited, nothing in writing, yet. She is very worried about two FeLV+ kittens and two FIV+ cats. IF they are seized they would likely be put down immediately. What she needs most right now is some place to put these cats for 4 to 6 weeks to see if the situation will blow over. (She could use adoption assistance or additional foster space to move out some other cats too but the positives are her biggest concern.) Four years ago she had a run-in with animal control but it did just go away. Theyb gave her 60 days to get her numbers down and just never came back. So it may go away again. She does not want to antagonize them by having an attorney make inquiries on her behalf and I tend to agree. She also needs someone computer-savvy in the San Jose area. We are setting her up with a functioning computer and can at least set up a dial up connection for her before she takes the computer home. But she's paying for ATT DSL at home and needs someone in the San Jose area who can get that working for her. On 3/12/08, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: there ARE good a/c officers out there--and when we find them, it is VITAL that we let them know how much they are appreciated. i even know of a couple in texas. too often, however, they are NOT like what people see on animal planet, unless the management is committed to power-within, and not power-over, which is not the most usual attitude in law enforcement. send thank-you notes to the good acos you encounter, please MC On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll try her again this evening too. Several animal control agencies in the Bay Area actually notify their local feral groups when an ear tipped cat comes in. Cats are actually pulled from animal control and returned to their colonies around here. By comparison with what I hear about elsewhere, it's really impressive. *Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: Hopefully she will call you back. I'm glad there is good AC somewhere. On 3/12/08, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried calling last night but got voicemail. Lefft my name and number but have not heard back from her. I have always had a negative impression of ac too but I have seen really good rescue/ac working relationships in the SF/Bay Area and my local ac really impressed me with their light touch during my house fire in August and in the current dealings with a really ugly hoarder situation. *Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: Thank you Susan and Kelley for your replies and concern. I'm sure Sally will appreciate any help or advice you can give her. I have an unreasonable fear of animal control, I think of them like I would the gestapo. Sally doesn't seem to be panicking the way I might, but she is quickly taking steps to address any concerns they may have and to locate additional fosters for the cats in her possession. Say a prayer everybody, Nina SHE HAS TO MOVE THE CATS. I don't care if she has to board them, or whatever, but if AC has been there, they ARE COMING BACK. For that matter if I absolutely had to I would let them outside to keep AC from getting their evil hands on them, but that would be a last resort... Please, for the safety of the cats, she has to move them. Of course I am not in that areabut if she needs a shoulder to cry on I can call her tonight. When will AC leave rescuers alone Kelley Subject: Re: Sally Foster needs some help in the San Fran area From: Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:24:10 -0700 (PDT) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org California and Texas are really different. We have very specific laws on the books governing seizures, very rescue friendly state laws. Sally is in the San Jose area, about an hour south of me. I'll call her and get some details. I know California rescue law pretty well. Let me find out what's going on here. She is likely to have a grace period to improve conditions and network with other rescues to make arrangements for the animals. But let me find out what's really going on. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com
Re: Sally Foster needs some help in the San Fran area
I tried calling last night but got voicemail. Lefft my name and number but have not heard back from her. I have always had a negative impression of ac too but I have seen really good rescue/ac working relationships in the SF/Bay Area and my local ac really impressed me with their light touch during my house fire in August and in the current dealings with a really ugly hoarder situation. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Susan and Kelley for your replies and concern. I'm sure Sally will appreciate any help or advice you can give her. I have an unreasonable fear of animal control, I think of them like I would the gestapo. Sally doesn't seem to be panicking the way I might, but she is quickly taking steps to address any concerns they may have and to locate additional fosters for the cats in her possession. Say a prayer everybody, Nina SHE HAS TO MOVE THE CATS. I don't care if she has to board them, or whatever, but if AC has been there, they ARE COMING BACK. For that matter if I absolutely had to I would let them outside to keep AC from getting their evil hands on them, but that would be a last resort... Please, for the safety of the cats, she has to move them. Of course I am not in that areabut if she needs a shoulder to cry on I can call her tonight. When will AC leave rescuers alone Kelley Subject: Re: Sally Foster needs some help in the San Fran area From: Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:24:10 -0700 (PDT) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org California and Texas are really different. We have very specific laws on the books governing seizures, very rescue friendly state laws. Sally is in the San Jose area, about an hour south of me. I'll call her and get some details. I know California rescue law pretty well. Let me find out what's going on here. She is likely to have a grace period to improve conditions and network with other rescues to make arrangements for the animals. But let me find out what's really going on.
Re: Sally Foster needs some help in the San Fran area
Hopefully she will call you back. I'm glad there is good AC somewhere. On 3/12/08, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried calling last night but got voicemail. Lefft my name and number but have not heard back from her. I have always had a negative impression of ac too but I have seen really good rescue/ac working relationships in the SF/Bay Area and my local ac really impressed me with their light touch during my house fire in August and in the current dealings with a really ugly hoarder situation. *Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: Thank you Susan and Kelley for your replies and concern. I'm sure Sally will appreciate any help or advice you can give her. I have an unreasonable fear of animal control, I think of them like I would the gestapo. Sally doesn't seem to be panicking the way I might, but she is quickly taking steps to address any concerns they may have and to locate additional fosters for the cats in her possession. Say a prayer everybody, Nina SHE HAS TO MOVE THE CATS. I don't care if she has to board them, or whatever, but if AC has been there, they ARE COMING BACK. For that matter if I absolutely had to I would let them outside to keep AC from getting their evil hands on them, but that would be a last resort... Please, for the safety of the cats, she has to move them. Of course I am not in that areabut if she needs a shoulder to cry on I can call her tonight. When will AC leave rescuers alone Kelley Subject: Re: Sally Foster needs some help in the San Fran area From: Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:24:10 -0700 (PDT) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org California and Texas are really different. We have very specific laws on the books governing seizures, very rescue friendly state laws. Sally is in the San Jose area, about an hour south of me. I'll call her and get some details. I know California rescue law pretty well. Let me find out what's going on here. She is likely to have a grace period to improve conditions and network with other rescues to make arrangements for the animals. But let me find out what's really going on. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help Clarissa! http://rescuties.chipin.com/clarissasheart http://www.change.org/rescuties
Re: Sally Foster needs some help in the San Fran area
I'll try her again this evening too. Several animal control agencies in the Bay Area actually notify their local feral groups when an ear tipped cat comes in. Cats are actually pulled from animal control and returned to their colonies around here. By comparison with what I hear about elsewhere, it's really impressive. Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hopefully she will call you back. I'm glad there is good AC somewhere. On 3/12/08, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried calling last night but got voicemail. Lefft my name and number but have not heard back from her. I have always had a negative impression of ac too but I have seen really good rescue/ac working relationships in the SF/Bay Area and my local ac really impressed me with their light touch during my house fire in August and in the current dealings with a really ugly hoarder situation. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Susan and Kelley for your replies and concern. I'm sure Sally will appreciate any help or advice you can give her. I have an unreasonable fear of animal control, I think of them like I would the gestapo. Sally doesn't seem to be panicking the way I might, but she is quickly taking steps to address any concerns they may have and to locate additional fosters for the cats in her possession. Say a prayer everybody, Nina SHE HAS TO MOVE THE CATS. I don't care if she has to board them, or whatever, but if AC has been there, they ARE COMING BACK. For that matter if I absolutely had to I would let them outside to keep AC from getting their evil hands on them, but that would be a last resort... Please, for the safety of the cats, she has to move them. Of course I am not in that areabut if she needs a shoulder to cry on I can call her tonight. When will AC leave rescuers alone Kelley Subject: Re: Sally Foster needs some help in the San Fran area From: Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:24:10 -0700 (PDT) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org California and Texas are really different. We have very specific laws on the books governing seizures, very rescue friendly state laws. Sally is in the San Jose area, about an hour south of me. I'll call her and get some details. I know California rescue law pretty well. Let me find out what's going on here. She is likely to have a grace period to improve conditions and network with other rescues to make arrangements for the animals. But let me find out what's really going on. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help Clarissa! http://rescuties.chipin.com/clarissasheart http://www.change.org/rescuties
Re: Sally Foster needs some help in the San Fran area
there ARE good a/c officers out there--and when we find them, it is VITAL that we let them know how much they are appreciated. i even know of a couple in texas. too often, however, they are NOT like what people see on animal planet, unless the management is committed to power-within, and not power-over, which is not the most usual attitude in law enforcement. send thank-you notes to the good acos you encounter, please MC On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll try her again this evening too. Several animal control agencies in the Bay Area actually notify their local feral groups when an ear tipped cat comes in. Cats are actually pulled from animal control and returned to their colonies around here. By comparison with what I hear about elsewhere, it's really impressive. *Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: Hopefully she will call you back. I'm glad there is good AC somewhere. On 3/12/08, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried calling last night but got voicemail. Lefft my name and number but have not heard back from her. I have always had a negative impression of ac too but I have seen really good rescue/ac working relationships in the SF/Bay Area and my local ac really impressed me with their light touch during my house fire in August and in the current dealings with a really ugly hoarder situation. *Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: Thank you Susan and Kelley for your replies and concern. I'm sure Sally will appreciate any help or advice you can give her. I have an unreasonable fear of animal control, I think of them like I would the gestapo. Sally doesn't seem to be panicking the way I might, but she is quickly taking steps to address any concerns they may have and to locate additional fosters for the cats in her possession. Say a prayer everybody, Nina SHE HAS TO MOVE THE CATS. I don't care if she has to board them, or whatever, but if AC has been there, they ARE COMING BACK. For that matter if I absolutely had to I would let them outside to keep AC from getting their evil hands on them, but that would be a last resort... Please, for the safety of the cats, she has to move them. Of course I am not in that areabut if she needs a shoulder to cry on I can call her tonight. When will AC leave rescuers alone Kelley Subject: Re: Sally Foster needs some help in the San Fran area From: Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:24:10 -0700 (PDT) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org California and Texas are really different. We have very specific laws on the books governing seizures, very rescue friendly state laws. Sally is in the San Jose area, about an hour south of me. I'll call her and get some details. I know California rescue law pretty well. Let me find out what's going on here. She is likely to have a grace period to improve conditions and network with other rescues to make arrangements for the animals. But let me find out what's really going on. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help Clarissa! http://rescuties.chipin.com/clarissasheart http://www.change.org/rescuties -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Sally Foster needs some help in the San Fran area
If I ever encounter one, I will certainly do that. On 3/12/08, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: there ARE good a/c officers out there--and when we find them, it is VITAL that we let them know how much they are appreciated. i even know of a couple in texas. too often, however, they are NOT like what people see on animal planet, unless the management is committed to power-within, and not power-over, which is not the most usual attitude in law enforcement. send thank-you notes to the good acos you encounter, please MC On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll try her again this evening too. Several animal control agencies in the Bay Area actually notify their local feral groups when an ear tipped cat comes in. Cats are actually pulled from animal control and returned to their colonies around here. By comparison with what I hear about elsewhere, it's really impressive. *Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: Hopefully she will call you back. I'm glad there is good AC somewhere. On 3/12/08, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried calling last night but got voicemail. Lefft my name and number but have not heard back from her. I have always had a negative impression of ac too but I have seen really good rescue/ac working relationships in the SF/Bay Area and my local ac really impressed me with their light touch during my house fire in August and in the current dealings with a really ugly hoarder situation. *Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: Thank you Susan and Kelley for your replies and concern. I'm sure Sally will appreciate any help or advice you can give her. I have an unreasonable fear of animal control, I think of them like I would the gestapo. Sally doesn't seem to be panicking the way I might, but she is quickly taking steps to address any concerns they may have and to locate additional fosters for the cats in her possession. Say a prayer everybody, Nina SHE HAS TO MOVE THE CATS. I don't care if she has to board them, or whatever, but if AC has been there, they ARE COMING BACK. For that matter if I absolutely had to I would let them outside to keep AC from getting their evil hands on them, but that would be a last resort... Please, for the safety of the cats, she has to move them. Of course I am not in that areabut if she needs a shoulder to cry on I can call her tonight. When will AC leave rescuers alone Kelley Subject: Re: Sally Foster needs some help in the San Fran area From: Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:24:10 -0700 (PDT) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org California and Texas are really different. We have very specific laws on the books governing seizures, very rescue friendly state laws. Sally is in the San Jose area, about an hour south of me. I'll call her and get some details. I know California rescue law pretty well. Let me find out what's going on here. She is likely to have a grace period to improve conditions and network with other rescues to make arrangements for the animals. But let me find out what's really going on. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help Clarissa! http://rescuties.chipin.com/clarissasheart http://www.change.org/rescuties -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help Clarissa! http://rescuties.chipin.com/clarissasheart http://www.change.org/rescuties
Sally Foster needs some help in the San Fran area
Hello All, I just got off the phone with Sally Foster. Old timers may remember her from the list. We became friends years ago when I first joined the list and Sally was kind enough to offer me her phone number so I could cry on her shoulder. Sally has been doing TNR and rescuing cats for years. She's always been so helpful and compassionate and I guess a little too open. She got into a discrepancy with one of her new foster parents about the best way to care for kittens she placed with them and suspects that they were the ones that turned her into animal control. Yes, here we go with another nightmare. I think she said she had one officer visit the first time, (they didn't enter the house, just talked with her about the conditions), then they returned this week with a second officer and came inside. They were making noises like the conditions were too crowded, but they didn't indicate what might be coming next. I know that Sally has dealt with ac before and that she has some sort of blessing from them to do rescue, I don't remember if it's an actual permit or just verbal. Sally was wondering if I had contact info for rescues or individuals in the bay area that might be able to help her foster cats. Sally's computer is down so any communication will have to be by phone or through my email. Sally's phone number is 408-365-0330 if you think you might be able to lend her some support or suggestions. I'm sure that even some kind words would be appreciated at this point. She's so disheartened thinking that people she trusted may have put her cats in jeopardy. Sally is especially concerned about 3 of her charges, that while asymptomatic, have tested positive... One is a friendly, outgoing orange tuxy/tabby boy that has tested pos for fiv. A marking on his face looks like a Mercedes Benz emblem so she's been calling him Benz. The other two are littermates that tested pos for felv about 2 weeks ago. They are 7 mos old. The little boy had swollen glands and the little girl had runny eyes, but since she's started them on feline interferon injections they are symptom free and playful. She's a long haired tortie and he's an orange tuxy/tabby. Thank you for allowing me to reach out to you guys when I've been away from the list for so long. Please cross post to anyone that you think might be able to help. I do miss you all and wish you so many blessings. Some day I hope to have the strength and energy to participate the way I used to. Nina
Re: Sally Foster needs some help in the San Fran area
Nina, SHE HAS TO MOVE THE CATS. I don't care if she has to board them, or whatever, but if AC has been there, they ARE COMING BACK. For that matter if I absolutely had to I would let them outside to keep AC from getting their evil hands on them, but that would be a last resort... Please, for the safety of the cats, she has to move them. Of course I am not in that areabut if she needs a shoulder to cry on I can call her tonight. When will AC leave rescuers alone Kelley On 3/11/08, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, I just got off the phone with Sally Foster. Old timers may remember her from the list. We became friends years ago when I first joined the list and Sally was kind enough to offer me her phone number so I could cry on her shoulder. Sally has been doing TNR and rescuing cats for years. She's always been so helpful and compassionate and I guess a little too open. She got into a discrepancy with one of her new foster parents about the best way to care for kittens she placed with them and suspects that they were the ones that turned her into animal control. Yes, here we go with another nightmare. I think she said she had one officer visit the first time, (they didn't enter the house, just talked with her about the conditions), then they returned this week with a second officer and came inside. They were making noises like the conditions were too crowded, but they didn't indicate what might be coming next. I know that Sally has dealt with ac before and that she has some sort of blessing from them to do rescue, I don't remember if it's an actual permit or just verbal. Sally was wondering if I had contact info for rescues or individuals in the bay area that might be able to help her foster cats. Sally's computer is down so any communication will have to be by phone or through my email. Sally's phone number is 408-365-0330 if you think you might be able to lend her some support or suggestions. I'm sure that even some kind words would be appreciated at this point. She's so disheartened thinking that people she trusted may have put her cats in jeopardy. Sally is especially concerned about 3 of her charges, that while asymptomatic, have tested positive... One is a friendly, outgoing orange tuxy/tabby boy that has tested pos for fiv. A marking on his face looks like a Mercedes Benz emblem so she's been calling him Benz. The other two are littermates that tested pos for felv about 2 weeks ago. They are 7 mos old. The little boy had swollen glands and the little girl had runny eyes, but since she's started them on feline interferon injections they are symptom free and playful. She's a long haired tortie and he's an orange tuxy/tabby. Thank you for allowing me to reach out to you guys when I've been away from the list for so long. Please cross post to anyone that you think might be able to help. I do miss you all and wish you so many blessings. Some day I hope to have the strength and energy to participate the way I used to. Nina -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help Clarissa! http://rescuties.chipin.com/clarissasheart http://www.change.org/rescuties
Re: Sally Foster needs some help in the San Fran area
California and Texas are really different. We have very specific laws on the books governing seizures, very rescue friendly state laws. Sally is in the San Jose area, about an hour south of me. I'll call her and get some details. I know California rescue law pretty well. Let me find out what's going on here. She is likely to have a grace period to improve conditions and network with other rescues to make arrangements for the animals. But let me find out what's really going on. Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nina, SHE HAS TO MOVE THE CATS. I don't care if she has to board them, or whatever, but if AC has been there, they ARE COMING BACK. For that matter if I absolutely had to I would let them outside to keep AC from getting their evil hands on them, but that would be a last resort... Please, for the safety of the cats, she has to move them. Of course I am not in that areabut if she needs a shoulder to cry on I can call her tonight. When will AC leave rescuers alone Kelley On 3/11/08, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, I just got off the phone with Sally Foster. Old timers may remember her from the list. We became friends years ago when I first joined the list and Sally was kind enough to offer me her phone number so I could cry on her shoulder. Sally has been doing TNR and rescuing cats for years. She's always been so helpful and compassionate and I guess a little too open. She got into a discrepancy with one of her new foster parents about the best way to care for kittens she placed with them and suspects that they were the ones that turned her into animal control. Yes, here we go with another nightmare. I think she said she had one officer visit the first time, (they didn't enter the house, just talked with her about the conditions), then they returned this week with a second officer and came inside. They were making noises like the conditions were too crowded, but they didn't indicate what might be coming next. I know that Sally has dealt with ac before and that she has some sort of blessing from them to do rescue, I don't remember if it's an actual permit or just verbal. Sally was wondering if I had contact info for rescues or individuals in the bay area that might be able to help her foster cats. Sally's computer is down so any communication will have to be by phone or through my email. Sally's phone number is 408-365-0330 if you think you might be able to lend her some support or suggestions. I'm sure that even some kind words would be appreciated at this point. She's so disheartened thinking that people she trusted may have put her cats in jeopardy. Sally is especially concerned about 3 of her charges, that while asymptomatic, have tested positive... One is a friendly, outgoing orange tuxy/tabby boy that has tested pos for fiv. A marking on his face looks like a Mercedes Benz emblem so she's been calling him Benz. The other two are littermates that tested pos for felv about 2 weeks ago. They are 7 mos old. The little boy had swollen glands and the little girl had runny eyes, but since she's started them on feline interferon injections they are symptom free and playful. She's a long haired tortie and he's an orange tuxy/tabby. Thank you for allowing me to reach out to you guys when I've been away from the list for so long. Please cross post to anyone that you think might be able to help. I do miss you all and wish you so many blessings. Some day I hope to have the strength and energy to participate the way I used to. Nina -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help Clarissa! http://rescuties.chipin.com/clarissasheart http://www.change.org/rescuties
Re: Sally Foster needs some help in the San Fran area
Um, I just yesterday saw a raid in LA that almost made me vomit. Literally. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_kJ9nGiVis Lots on this case in this blog: http://laanimalwatch.blogspot.com/ California is definitely not on my list of safe places to own animals. But I don't know about San Jose. On 3/11/08, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: California and Texas are really different. We have very specific laws on the books governing seizures, very rescue friendly state laws. Sally is in the San Jose area, about an hour south of me. I'll call her and get some details. I know California rescue law pretty well. Let me find out what's going on here. She is likely to have a grace period to improve conditions and network with other rescues to make arrangements for the animals. But let me find out what's really going on. *Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: Nina, SHE HAS TO MOVE THE CATS. I don't care if she has to board them, or whatever, but if AC has been there, they ARE COMING BACK. For that matter if I absolutely had to I would let them outside to keep AC from getting their evil hands on them, but that would be a last resort... Please, for the safety of the cats, she has to move them. Of course I am not in that areabut if she needs a shoulder to cry on I can call her tonight. When will AC leave rescuers alone Kelley On 3/11/08, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, I just got off the phone with Sally Foster. Old timers may remember her from the list. We became friends years ago when I first joined the list and Sally was kind enough to offer me her phone number so I could cry on her shoulder. Sally has been doing TNR and rescuing cats for years. She's always been so helpful and compassionate and I guess a little too open. She got into a discrepancy with one of her new foster parents about the best way to care for kittens she placed with them and suspects that they were the ones that turned her into animal control. Yes, here we go with another nightmare. I think she said she had one officer visit the first time, (they didn't enter the house, just talked with her about the conditions), then they returned this week with a second officer and came inside. They were making noises like the conditions were too crowded, but they didn't indicate what might be coming next. I know that Sally has dealt with ac before and that she has some sort of blessing from them to do rescue, I don't remember if it's an actual permit or just verbal. Sally was wondering if I had contact info for rescues or individuals in the bay area that might be able to help her foster cats. Sally's computer is down so any communication will have to be by phone or through my email. Sally's phone number is 408-365-0330 if you think you might be able to lend her some support or suggestions. I'm sure that even some kind words would be appreciated at this point. She's so disheartened thinking that people she trusted may have put her cats in jeopardy. Sally is especially concerned about 3 of her charges, that while asymptomatic, have tested positive... One is a friendly, outgoing orange tuxy/tabby boy that has tested pos for fiv. A marking on his face looks like a Mercedes Benz emblem so she's been calling him Benz. The other two are littermates that tested pos for felv about 2 weeks ago. They are 7 mos old. The little boy had swollen glands and the little girl had runny eyes, but since she's started them on feline interferon injections they are symptom free and playful. She's a long haired tortie and he's an orange tuxy/tabby. Thank you for allowing me to reach out to you guys when I've been away from the list for so long. Please cross post to anyone that you think might be able to help. I do miss you all and wish you so many blessings. Some day I hope to have the strength and energy to participate the way I used to. Nina -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help Clarissa! http://rescuties.chipin.com/clarissasheart http://www.change.org/rescuties -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help Clarissa! http://rescuties.chipin.com/clarissasheart http://www.change.org/rescuties
Re: Sally Foster needs some help in the San Fran area
southern California has had a lot of problems. A friend was raided a year and a half ago. There are a couple of law suits in play down there already. However, the San Francisco/Bay Area, which includes San Jose, is very different. California is a big state. The more rural/agricultural areas have a lot of issues vis a vis rescues. The Bay Area, on the other hand, is very rescue friendly. (For example, we have a very bad hoarder situation in my area where ac actually asked rescues to intervene. No cats have been seized by ac. We, i.e. local rescues, are working on it. And ac is giving us the space and support to be effective.) I'll call Sally tonight and see what's going on. Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Um, I just yesterday saw a raid in LA that almost made me vomit. Literally. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_kJ9nGiVis Lots on this case in this blog: http://laanimalwatch.blogspot.com/ California is definitely not on my list of safe places to own animals. But I don't know about San Jose. On 3/11/08, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: California and Texas are really different. We have very specific laws on the books governing seizures, very rescue friendly state laws. Sally is in the San Jose area, about an hour south of me. I'll call her and get some details. I know California rescue law pretty well. Let me find out what's going on here. She is likely to have a grace period to improve conditions and network with other rescues to make arrangements for the animals. But let me find out what's really going on. Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nina, SHE HAS TO MOVE THE CATS. I don't care if she has to board them, or whatever, but if AC has been there, they ARE COMING BACK. For that matter if I absolutely had to I would let them outside to keep AC from getting their evil hands on them, but that would be a last resort... Please, for the safety of the cats, she has to move them. Of course I am not in that areabut if she needs a shoulder to cry on I can call her tonight. When will AC leave rescuers alone Kelley On 3/11/08, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, I just got off the phone with Sally Foster. Old timers may remember her from the list. We became friends years ago when I first joined the list and Sally was kind enough to offer me her phone number so I could cry on her shoulder. Sally has been doing TNR and rescuing cats for years. She's always been so helpful and compassionate and I guess a little too open. She got into a discrepancy with one of her new foster parents about the best way to care for kittens she placed with them and suspects that they were the ones that turned her into animal control. Yes, here we go with another nightmare. I think she said she had one officer visit the first time, (they didn't enter the house, just talked with her about the conditions), then they returned this week with a second officer and came inside. They were making noises like the conditions were too crowded, but they didn't indicate what might be coming next. I know that Sally has dealt with ac before and that she has some sort of blessing from them to do rescue, I don't remember if it's an actual permit or just verbal. Sally was wondering if I had contact info for rescues or individuals in the bay area that might be able to help her foster cats. Sally's computer is down so any communication will have to be by phone or through my email. Sally's phone number is 408-365-0330 if you think you might be able to lend her some support or suggestions. I'm sure that even some kind words would be appreciated at this point. She's so disheartened thinking that people she trusted may have put her cats in jeopardy. Sally is especially concerned about 3 of her charges, that while asymptomatic, have tested positive... One is a friendly, outgoing orange tuxy/tabby boy that has tested pos for fiv. A marking on his face looks like a Mercedes Benz emblem so she's been calling him Benz. The other two are littermates that tested pos for felv about 2 weeks ago. They are 7 mos old. The little boy had swollen glands and the little girl had runny eyes, but since she's started them on feline interferon injections they are symptom free and playful. She's a long haired tortie and he's an orange tuxy/tabby. Thank you for allowing me to reach out to you guys when I've been away from the list for so long. Please cross post to anyone that you think might be able to help. I do miss you all and wish you so many blessings. Some day I hope to have the strength and energy to participate the way I used to. Nina -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our
Re: Sally Foster needs some help in the San Fran area
I hope the lawsuits are successful. I hope you are able to help Sally.:) On 3/11/08, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: southern California has had a lot of problems. A friend was raided a year and a half ago. There are a couple of law suits in play down there already. However, the San Francisco/Bay Area, which includes San Jose, is very different. California is a big state. The more rural/agricultural areas have a lot of issues vis a vis rescues. The Bay Area, on the other hand, is very rescue friendly. (For example, we have a very bad hoarder situation in my area where ac actually asked rescues to intervene. No cats have been seized by ac. We, i.e. local rescues, are working on it. And ac is giving us the space and support to be effective.) I'll call Sally tonight and see what's going on. *Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: Um, I just yesterday saw a raid in LA that almost made me vomit. Literally. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_kJ9nGiVis Lots on this case in this blog: http://laanimalwatch.blogspot.com/ California is definitely not on my list of safe places to own animals. But I don't know about San Jose. On 3/11/08, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: California and Texas are really different. We have very specific laws on the books governing seizures, very rescue friendly state laws. Sally is in the San Jose area, about an hour south of me. I'll call her and get some details. I know California rescue law pretty well. Let me find out what's going on here. She is likely to have a grace period to improve conditions and network with other rescues to make arrangements for the animals. But let me find out what's really going on. *Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: Nina, SHE HAS TO MOVE THE CATS. I don't care if she has to board them, or whatever, but if AC has been there, they ARE COMING BACK. For that matter if I absolutely had to I would let them outside to keep AC from getting their evil hands on them, but that would be a last resort... Please, for the safety of the cats, she has to move them. Of course I am not in that areabut if she needs a shoulder to cry on I can call her tonight. When will AC leave rescuers alone Kelley On 3/11/08, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, I just got off the phone with Sally Foster. Old timers may remember her from the list. We became friends years ago when I first joined the list and Sally was kind enough to offer me her phone number so I could cry on her shoulder. Sally has been doing TNR and rescuing cats for years. She's always been so helpful and compassionate and I guess a little too open. She got into a discrepancy with one of her new foster parents about the best way to care for kittens she placed with them and suspects that they were the ones that turned her into animal control. Yes, here we go with another nightmare. I think she said she had one officer visit the first time, (they didn't enter the house, just talked with her about the conditions), then they returned this week with a second officer and came inside. They were making noises like the conditions were too crowded, but they didn't indicate what might be coming next. I know that Sally has dealt with ac before and that she has some sort of blessing from them to do rescue, I don't remember if it's an actual permit or just verbal. Sally was wondering if I had contact info for rescues or individuals in the bay area that might be able to help her foster cats. Sally's computer is down so any communication will have to be by phone or through my email. Sally's phone number is 408-365-0330 if you think you might be able to lend her some support or suggestions. I'm sure that even some kind words would be appreciated at this point. She's so disheartened thinking that people she trusted may have put her cats in jeopardy. Sally is especially concerned about 3 of her charges, that while asymptomatic, have tested positive... One is a friendly, outgoing orange tuxy/tabby boy that has tested pos for fiv. A marking on his face looks like a Mercedes Benz emblem so she's been calling him Benz. The other two are littermates that tested pos for felv about 2 weeks ago. They are 7 mos old. The little boy had swollen glands and the little girl had runny eyes, but since she's started them on feline interferon injections they are symptom free and playful. She's a long haired tortie and he's an orange tuxy/tabby. Thank you for allowing me to reach out to you guys when I've been away from the list for so long. Please cross post to anyone that you think might be able to help. I do miss you all and wish you so many blessings. Some day I hope to have the strength and energy to participate the way I used
Re: Sally Foster needs some help in the San Fran area
They'll probably stop harassing rescuers, about the time when the cities do some other things - like stop outlawing pit bulls instead of punishing the bad folks who fight and misuse these dogs... sigh. On Mar 11, 2008, at 2:23 PM, Kelley Saveika wrote: ... When will AC leave rescuers alone Kelley
Re: Sally Foster needs some help in the San Fran area
Thank you Susan and Kelley for your replies and concern. I'm sure Sally will appreciate any help or advice you can give her. I have an unreasonable fear of animal control, I think of them like I would the gestapo. Sally doesn't seem to be panicking the way I might, but she is quickly taking steps to address any concerns they may have and to locate additional fosters for the cats in her possession. Say a prayer everybody, Nina SHE HAS TO MOVE THE CATS. I don't care if she has to board them, or whatever, but if AC has been there, they ARE COMING BACK. For that matter if I absolutely had to I would let them outside to keep AC from getting their evil hands on them, but that would be a last resort... Please, for the safety of the cats, she has to move them. Of course I am not in that areabut if she needs a shoulder to cry on I can call her tonight. When will AC leave rescuers alone Kelley Subject: Re: Sally Foster needs some help in the San Fran area From: Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:24:10 -0700 (PDT) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org California and Texas are really different. We have very specific laws on the books governing seizures, very rescue friendly state laws. Sally is in the San Jose area, about an hour south of me. I'll call her and get some details. I know California rescue law pretty well. Let me find out what's going on here. She is likely to have a grace period to improve conditions and network with other rescues to make arrangements for the animals. But let me find out what's really going on.
To Sally
Sally, Congratulations and bless you for taking in the new kitten! You have a big heart. And no, you are not a bad kitty mom. Sometimes, some things are just out of our hands. Life has a way of teaching us we are really not in control of much. I hope you can find this kitty a good home and that Eric gets better soon. Or that Eric decides he wants to keep this kitty and that he gets better soon. What a wonderful thing they've met one another in both their times of need. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 8:47:28 PM Subject: Re: To Pat and Mandy OK, I misunderstood. It is the worse thing that happened to Junior. Of course it was an opportunistic bug that caused the uveitis. I think Lionel had it was well. I had him pts becuase he had already had a tough time since I had him. He also tested positive for FIV. I think most of his problems were from the FIV but then he also tested for FELV. I am not sure he had that in the beginning. He was adopted from animal control. They had had him for over a month but they do not test. I think if he had been FELV positive when I got him my cats would have gotten sick sooner. I am rambling. I always wonder how this happened. I feel like such a bad mom. I hope I am making up for it now. Oh yes I am not sure I mentioned, but I have a new kittened. It was abandoned at a lady's house. Someone gave her my name as a rescue person. Which I am not. Bless those of you that are. I had to take it. Right now I can confine it in Eric's room, but that won't last forever. Probably only a couple weeks. She is such a sweety. I am hoping someone from my work will take her. And then I am hoping they don't. Eric is very sick and the kitten is good for him. She loves him already. Sally -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Silver, and Spike Visit my BB for some pictures post your as well. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow
Sally
Sally, where are you? It's been raining here too hasn't for awhile. I know, too much coincidence for you to be here too but you never know. I'm in south central WI. And remember day lilies are very toxic to cats. Pam Sally Davis wrote: Nina Thanks for the inspiring story. My old computer had major problems least which which was the sound did not work in spite of a sound card and speakers. I am trying to transfer my old files and setting to this computer but the room is still to hot for the old one to run. So I have windows opened three fans running to bring the cool air from outside inside. It is raining and much needed rain for my flowers. Next to my precious cats I collect daylilies, Japanese Maples, and other plants. Well I really don't collect cats. I just love them. I have had a cat since I was a child and I remember all of them. At least when my middle age memory allows me to...lol Sally On 6/3/07, *Nina* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a video that had me in happy tears, something I know we could all use: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5249518974978628334pr=goog-sl http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5249518974978628334pr=goog-sl http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5249518974978628334pr=goog-sl http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5249518974978628334pr=goog-sl
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Hi Pam, I am in VA. Daylilies are not in the LILY family. They are not toxic to cats in spite of what the ASPCA has on there website. It is based on an assumption that they are *lilies. *My front yard is entirely daylilies, no grass. Funny thing is my cats get very few fleas now. When they do I use Advantage. Fleas live in grassy yards. I am a horticulturist by trade and education. So I give that as my qualification regarding daylily (hemerocallis) classification. We are getting remnants of TS Barry. Thanks for your concern. Sally On 6/3/07, Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sally, where are you? It's been raining here too hasn't for awhile. I know, too much coincidence for you to be here too but you never know. I'm in south central WI. And remember day lilies are very toxic to cats. Pam Sally Davis wrote: Nina Thanks for the inspiring story. My old computer had major problems least which which was the sound did not work in spite of a sound card and speakers. I am trying to transfer my old files and setting to this computer but the room is still to hot for the old one to run. So I have windows opened three fans running to bring the cool air from outside inside. It is raining and much needed rain for my flowers. Next to my precious cats I collect daylilies, Japanese Maples, and other plants. Well I really don't collect cats. I just love them. I have had a cat since I was a child and I remember all of them. At least when my middle age memory allows me to...lol Sally On 6/3/07, *Nina* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a video that had me in happy tears, something I know we could all use: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5249518974978628334pr=goog-sl http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5249518974978628334pr=goog-sl http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5249518974978628334pr=goog-sl http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5249518974978628334pr=goog-sl
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That's good info, Sally -- thanks! elizabeth On 6/3/07, Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Pam, I am in VA. Daylilies are not in the LILY family. They are not toxic to cats in spite of what the ASPCA has on there website. It is based on an assumption that they are *lilies. *My front yard is entirely daylilies, no grass. Funny thing is my cats get very few fleas now. When they do I use Advantage. Fleas live in grassy yards. I am a horticulturist by trade and education. So I give that as my qualification regarding daylily (hemerocallis) classification. We are getting remnants of TS Barry. Thanks for your concern. Sally On 6/3/07, Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sally, where are you? It's been raining here too hasn't for awhile. I know, too much coincidence for you to be here too but you never know. I'm in south central WI. And remember day lilies are very toxic to cats. Pam Sally Davis wrote: Nina Thanks for the inspiring story. My old computer had major problems least which which was the sound did not work in spite of a sound card and speakers. I am trying to transfer my old files and setting to this computer but the room is still to hot for the old one to run. So I have windows opened three fans running to bring the cool air from outside inside. It is raining and much needed rain for my flowers. Next to my precious cats I collect daylilies, Japanese Maples, and other plants. Well I really don't collect cats. I just love them. I have had a cat since I was a child and I remember all of them. At least when my middle age memory allows me to...lol Sally On 6/3/07, *Nina* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a video that had me in happy tears, something I know we could all use: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5249518974978628334pr=goog-sl http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5249518974978628334pr=goog-sl http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5249518974978628334pr=goog-sl http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5249518974978628334pr=goog-sl
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Ok this is good to know. Now we know who to ask with our flower question. Wish you could see my place. I planted a bunch of things from Breck's but was dumb enough not to label them. Now they're coming up I have no clue as to what they are! Pam Sally Davis wrote: Hi Pam, I am in VA. Daylilies are not in the LILY family. They are not toxic to cats in spite of what the ASPCA has on there website. It is based on an assumption that they are *lilies. *My front yard is entirely daylilies, no grass. Funny thing is my cats get very few fleas now. When they do I use Advantage. Fleas live in grassy yards. I am a horticulturist by trade and education. So I give that as my qualification regarding daylily (hemerocallis) classification. We are getting remnants of TS Barry. Thanks for your concern. Sally On 6/3/07, *Pam Norman* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sally, where are you? It's been raining here too hasn't for awhile. I know, too much coincidence for you to be here too but you never know. I'm in south central WI. And remember day lilies are very toxic to cats. Pam Sally Davis wrote: Nina Thanks for the inspiring story. My old computer had major problems least which which was the sound did not work in spite of a sound card and speakers. I am trying to transfer my old files and setting to this computer but the room is still to hot for the old one to run. So I have windows opened three fans running to bring the cool air from outside inside. It is raining and much needed rain for my flowers. Next to my precious cats I collect daylilies, Japanese Maples, and other plants. Well I really don't collect cats. I just love them. I have had a cat since I was a child and I remember all of them. At least when my middle age memory allows me to...lol Sally On 6/3/07, *Nina* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a video that had me in happy tears, something I know we could all use: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5249518974978628334pr=goog-sl http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5249518974978628334pr=goog-sl http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5249518974978628334pr=goog-sl http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5249518974978628334pr=goog-sl http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5249518974978628334pr=goog-sl http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5249518974978628334pr=goog-sl http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5249518974978628334pr=goog-sl http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5249518974978628334pr=goog-sl
Re: Sally
I am sure the ASPCA has been advised of this fact. My thought is most people don't know the difference and better to err on the safe side and include daylilies in the toxic plant list. Hostas are related to daylilies as well. I know for a fact one of my cats has chewed on seedlings I had growing in the house with no adverse affect. I do however shoo her away. You can send me picture. I will see what I can do. We ID plants at work all the time for people. Sally
To Sally Re: Junior
Sally, I am catching up on posts. How is Junior's right eye doing? :) Wendy --- Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, Just a brief update on Junior. His Right eye still looks like it is budging with a definite cataract. He does not appear to have discomfort from it though. He is still getting the Trusopt for Glaucoma and the chloramphenicol antibiotic ointment in both eyes. I also have been giving him lysine 500mg and have added Transfer Factor Plus to his supplements. He gets Pet Tabs plus iron as well . He is eating better and has put on a little bit of weight. He is exploring the house. I am guessing because his vision is not as good as it used to be. The left eye remains dilated and the pupil is misshaped. It does look better to me although. I may be getting used to it that way. He ears are thick and red again. It doesn'r seem to bother him I will keep and eye on them. This has been a very reactive disease. It does not allow you to be proactive. I am hoping while he is better the Transfer Factor will help his immune system. I am still considering removing the right eye, but I want him at his best before surgery. Any idea how long after I use the Transfer Factor I should wait. Daisy is in heat and driving me crazy. I could not get her an appointment until 2/27/07. I just want to thank everyone for their help. I still have not gotten anywhere with my vet for interferon. He decided to do the steriods. I think the shot gave Junior a boost but I still want to give the interferon a shot. I am hoping the Transfer Factor will keep him stable. Thanks, Sally Davis -- Junior needs your help with his care fighting Feline Leukemia. Our story www.geocities.com/dmyllas/sally_page.html please help us if you can https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclickbusiness=puttyrat%40k6az.com Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121
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I am sorry to hear this about Junior, but cats can do fine with blindness. Not as well as before, but they adapt. You are so wonderful to stick with your kitties through all this. :) Wendy --- Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HI wendy I think Junior is Blind or close to it in both eyes. He still have the Glaucoma in the right eye. He has nerve damage to that eye and is already blind. The vet is concerned about pain in the eye. My Fluffy who received a scratch in his eye let me know he was in pain from the injury. He was treated for a month. Ultimately he told me it hurt. He would sit atop my computer and cry for no reason. I knew why. I took him back in and had his eye removed. No more pain. Junior has given no indication the eye bothers him. It may be that he already has nerve damage and doen't feel it. I have reordered the transfer factor plus for him. Computer is acting up I have to cut this short. Sally On 3/20/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sally, I am catching up on posts. How is Junior's right eye doing? :) Wendy --- Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, Just a brief update on Junior. His Right eye still looks like it is budging with a definite cataract. He does not appear to have discomfort from it though. He is still getting the Trusopt for Glaucoma and the chloramphenicol antibiotic ointment in both eyes. I also have been giving him lysine 500mg and have added Transfer Factor Plus to his supplements. He gets Pet Tabs plus iron as well . He is eating better and has put on a little bit of weight. He is exploring the house. I am guessing because his vision is not as good as it used to be. The left eye remains dilated and the pupil is misshaped. It does look better to me although. I may be getting used to it that way. He ears are thick and red again. It doesn'r seem to bother him I will keep and eye on them. This has been a very reactive disease. It does not allow you to be proactive. I am hoping while he is better the Transfer Factor will help his immune system. I am still considering removing the right eye, but I want him at his best before surgery. Any idea how long after I use the Transfer Factor I should wait. Daisy is in heat and driving me crazy. I could not get her an appointment until 2/27/07. I just want to thank everyone for their help. I still have not gotten anywhere with my vet for interferon. He decided to do the steriods. I think the shot gave Junior a boost but I still want to give the interferon a shot. I am hoping the Transfer Factor will keep him stable. Thanks, Sally Davis -- Junior needs your help with his care fighting Feline Leukemia. Our story www.geocities.com/dmyllas/sally_page.html please help us if you can https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclickbusiness=puttyrat%40k6az.com Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail
Sally and Junior
Hi Sally, I don't understand why your vet would suggest a wait and see approach with a felv pos cat. Aggressive, immediate vet care is always something that I recommend for all felv positive kitties. Their immune systems are weakened and don't work as efficiently as cats without the virus. Expecting that Junior's immune response will be enough to combat swollen lymph nodes of unknown origin seems foolhardy and down right dangerous to me. As far as further vaccinations... I wouldn't even consider inoculating Junior for ANYTHING. If it were me, I wouldn't consider inoculating Junior EVER. I may have my facts wrong, but it seems he's been fighting infections since you joined the list, he doesn't need the stress of vaccinations added to whatever else is going on with him. I'm very pleased to hear he has gained back his weight, that's wonderful news. You do have to figure out why his lymph nodes are still swollen though. If you can afford it, I'd take him to a board certified internist, a specialist that might be able to get to the bottom of his problems and help him get better. I'd ask Dr. Staunton, (since this seems to be the vet you trust), for a referral asap. My prayers are with you guys, Nina Ok for the rest of the group, Junior got back from the vet today. I was so hoping to see Dr. Staunton, but she took the week off. Dr Larrick is good but very conservative. Junior has swollen lymph nodes behind his ears and his back legs. Junior otherwise is stable. The Dr suggest we wait and see because his weight is good and no other symptoms. He said the lymph system may be doing what it is supposed to do fight infection. I decided against further vaccinations. What do yall think. Money is always an issue. He is on a good diet he gained back the weight he lost, he gets Petinic, CoQ10, lysine and Transfer Factor Plus. This has seemed to stabilize him. Thanks, Sally
Re: Sally and Junior
Hi Nina, I wish Dr Staunton had been there today. I had many questions, she knows Junior better than Dr Larrick. Junior has had the swellings for almost two months now and everything is the same. Actually overall he is better than two months ago especially with the weight gain. I decided against vaccinations. Dr Larrick was ok with that. I have another cat right now who has mild symptoms of a URI. ALthough I do my best to keep them apart. Their is bound to be some small exposure. Junior has not caught whatever Silver has. I think this is a good sign that he has some defenses left. I will have to see if I can get a hold of Dr Staunton next week to get her opinion. She is the Junior vet at this practice. My guess is right out of vet school. I will say that Dr Larrick felt that were it Lymphoma Junior would be displaying other symptoms. Junior at least feels well enough to be lovey dovey these days. I am glad for that. Thanks, Sally On 3/9/07, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Sally, I don't understand why your vet would suggest a wait and see approach with a felv pos cat. Aggressive, immediate vet care is always something that I recommend for all felv positive kitties. Their immune systems are weakened and don't work as efficiently as cats without the virus. Expecting that Junior's immune response will be enough to combat swollen lymph nodes of unknown origin seems foolhardy and down right dangerous to me. As far as further vaccinations... I wouldn't even consider inoculating Junior for ANYTHING. If it were me, I wouldn't consider inoculating Junior EVER. I may have my facts wrong, but it seems he's been fighting infections since you joined the list, he doesn't need the stress of vaccinations added to whatever else is going on with him. I'm very pleased to hear he has gained back his weight, that's wonderful news. You do have to figure out why his lymph nodes are still swollen though. If you can afford it, I'd take him to a board certified internist, a specialist that might be able to get to the bottom of his problems and help him get better. I'd ask Dr. Staunton, (since this seems to be the vet you trust), for a referral asap. My prayers are with you guys, Nina Ok for the rest of the group, Junior got back from the vet today. I was so hoping to see Dr. Staunton, but she took the week off. Dr Larrick is good but very conservative. Junior has swollen lymph nodes behind his ears and his back legs. Junior otherwise is stable. The Dr suggest we wait and see because his weight is good and no other symptoms. He said the lymph system may be doing what it is supposed to do fight infection. I decided against further vaccinations. What do yall think. Money is always an issue. He is on a good diet he gained back the weight he lost, he gets Petinic, CoQ10, lysine and Transfer Factor Plus. This has seemed to stabilize him. Thanks, Sally -- Junior needs your help with his care fighting Feline Leukemia. Our story www.geocities.com/dmyllas/sally_page.html please help us if you can https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclickbusiness=puttyrat%40k6az.com
Re: New member introduction/questions-Sally
On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 19:27:04 -0500 Sally [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Junior's gingivitis cleared up with the immunoregulin treatments. I would say within two weeks. Sally Hi Sally, That sounds very encouraging! So, in Junior's case, the gingivitis cleared up strictly using the Immunoregulin and no dentistry was needed? I have a call in to my vet to find out if she's used Immunoregulin (or would be willing to try it). Thanks for your help! Sue and Shane Jerome, AZ
RE: New member introduction/questions-Sally
Hi Sue and Shane I was not expecting it to clear up, but it did. He had anemia and bleeding gums. The anemia had been treated with antibiotics by a different vet who wanted to euthanize Junior after testing positive and after he came back with a fever of 106.5. I only thank her that she did not suggest this action when the test was first done or I fear that is what would have happened to Junior. My bf already had been through FeLV with his cats many years ago and I don't think the end was a very pleasant experience for him. Junior is mostly his cat, and I am the caregiver for both of them lol. His anemia has remained in check as well. The only problem we are experiencing is the ongoing upper respiratory this time accompanied by uveitis which seemed very painful to him. He is still not his usual self but the eye looks better and very few sneezing episodes. He does sleep a lot. He eats dry food when he wants drinks a lot of water and I fix him wet food baby food and sour cream for the diarrhea. He did not like the yogurt. He also gets L Lysine Pet Tabs with iron that I ordered by accident. I meant to get Pet Tinic. I just added CoQ10. I do believe the l Lysine helped the eye. It took me a week to get antibiotic drops for his eye as they were not initially prescribed. I did have some eye ointment left over from his accident in the spring. He is blind in this eye from nerve damage although it looks normal. I think the biggest thing going on with Junior is stress. I try not to act stressed around him but he knows when I am getting ready to take him to the vet or give him medicine. I had the feliway unit plugged into the wall in my room. I could not tell a difference so I just moved it to the living room where the other cats hang out. I replaced it with a glade chamomile and lavender air freshener. It had the cats sleeping ;ole babies. Well they pretty much do that anyway. At this point I am not going to do dentistry. His mouth is clear of any sores or bleeding. Oh yes with junior it was the mouth ulcer that first got him to the vet. I thought his jaw was not properly aligned. This was a couple months after it has been broken. This was the first hint of things to come. Sally and her 10 cats -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Tillman Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 1:17 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: New member introduction/questions-Sally On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 19:27:04 -0500 Sally [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Junior's gingivitis cleared up with the immunoregulin treatments. I would say within two weeks. Sally Hi Sally, That sounds very encouraging! So, in Junior's case, the gingivitis cleared up strictly using the Immunoregulin and no dentistry was needed? I have a call in to my vet to find out if she's used Immunoregulin (or would be willing to try it). Thanks for your help! Sue and Shane Jerome, AZ
Re: New member introduction/questions-Sally
Sour cream for the diarrhea? Does the sour cream you use say on the label with live and active acidophilus cultures? Most sour cream does NOT have any beneficial bacteria in it, so make sure you're feeding one that has it in there, like this one: http://organicvalley.coop/utility/faq/sour_cream_faq.html Phaewryn Please save Whitey! http://ucat.us/Whitey.html VT low cost SpayNeuter, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
RE: New member introduction/questions-Sally
Well to be honest I had no way of checking this because the sour cream came from a Mexican restaurant, but I had already checked to see which brands have live cultures. I first had to make sure he would eat it. He loves it. His diarrhea is not all that bad mainly loose stools from the antibiotics as we all have experienced. At any rate the calories may help to keep weight on. He is still eating but not as much as usual. The eye drops are much easier to use than the ointment. I thought it would be harder to get them in his eye. One of my negative cats, Ittle Bitty is sneezing now. This cat did not catch the original URI that apparently brought on the FeLV. He is vaccinated for everything and it only seems to be sneezing involved. I do mix the cats as some suggested, but mostly they are separated. All the negative cats were vaccinated and kept separate for a period of time. Junior and Tiny stay in my room. This creates some stress for Junior as he does not like Tiny never has! They do tolerate each other, but occasionally hiss at each other. Nothing I can do about this. It is the only place I can keep them. They are half brothers. Funny thing is all the sick cats were orange or yellow(buff) colored. I have one other Orange and white cat, Speedy who is negative and their half sister who is negative. I don't know if genetics play a role in predisposing the cats to infection by the virus. Have any studies been done on this? Thanks for the heads up. Sally -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 7:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: New member introduction/questions-Sally Sour cream for the diarrhea? Does the sour cream you use say on the label with live and active acidophilus cultures? Most sour cream does NOT have any beneficial bacteria in it, so make sure you're feeding one that has it in there, like this one: http://organicvalley.coop/utility/faq/sour_cream_faq.html Phaewryn Please save Whitey! http://ucat.us/Whitey.html VT low cost SpayNeuter, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Re: New member introduction/questions-Sally
If you give me your mailing address, I'll send you a small tube of probiotics gel. I bought a box of 6, and then didn't need it (turns out it wasn't helpful for the condition my cat had). I'd rather give some of it away than to just let it sit here and expire. Come to think of it, I have several left-over medications here... I'll do an inventory tomorrow and post it, if anyone can use it, I'm happy to share, rather than to just waste it. Phaewryn Please save Whitey! http://ucat.us/Whitey.html VT low cost SpayNeuter, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Re: Sally - pain meds (was Uveitis)--ketoprofen in dogs
I have to second that caution, only it was ME that ended up in the ER with a low grade fever and nasty gastritis. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, December 3, 2006 8:42:31 PM Subject: Re: Sally - pain meds (was Uveitis)--ketoprofen in dogs Hi Nina! I just wanted to caution the use of ketoprofen in dogs...it's rare, but severe ulceration of the GI tract can occur as a side effect of the drug...we actually had it happen at the clinic. A young dog died as a result of a severe allergic reaction to ketoprofen...hence we've trashed our remaining supply of the drug and will no longer be using it as a pain reliever. Like I said, it's *rare* to witness such a severe allergic reaction...but I assisted on the necropsy of this dog and couldn't believe what I saw! :( But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. -- Chief Dan George The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long... --Blade Runner - Original Message - From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, December 3, 2006 5:28 pm Subject: Sally - pain meds (was Uveitis) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi Sally, I just wanted to comment on getting the antibiotic ointment in Junior's eye... If you put a line of the ointment on your finger and gently apply it to his closed eye, (on the line where his eyelids meet), at least some will go in his eye and it should help at least keep his eye moist. I didn't see you comment on Michelle's post about steriods. Have you been to a specialist for his eye? Maybe your vet could just consult with an ophthalmologist over the phone to see what they think of the situation? Speaking of old fashioned pain meds... I have used Ketofen syrup for dogs. It doesn't taste bad, slight medicine taste, but not bitter and the the dosage, (at least for small dogs), is small enough that I'm betting it could be hidden in some baby food, or easily squirted in his mouth. I did a quick search on it to see if it can be given to cats and came up with the following site on pain control for dogs and cats: http://www.2ndchance.info/pain.htm Nina Sally wrote: I knew that I skipped a day on the aspirin.. also the vet said the anti-inflammatory properties were good for his eye. He ate more today...good sign I hope. sally Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited
RE: Sally - pain meds (was Uveitis)
Hi Nina The situation has been a bit overwhelming for me. As this was the other vet in the office we saw Friday. I did not feel too comfortable telling him what to prescribe. I told him about the zithromax and he prescribed something else. He is a good vet. He did not prescribe for the eye because I was not able to get anything in his eye at the time. Your method was what I was doing until the eye became too painful for me to even touch that near it. I was able to use the antibiotic ointment this AM. I still need to talk to his regular vet about the monthly injections of immunoregulin and if she is willing to do the oral low dose alferon. I had hoped to see her Friday but she had a conference to attend. Junior is about the same some days seem better than others. He still eats dry food. I had not seen him do that for days. I know there is no magic bullet for FeLV but I was hoping for a better outcome than his being sick all the time. As for the steroids are you speaking about for his eye? I think I can discuss that with Dr Staunton next time I see or speak with her. I will also check on the ketophen. Thanks Sally Hi Sally, I just wanted to comment on getting the antibiotic ointment in Junior's eye... If you put a line of the ointment on your finger and gently apply it to his closed eye, (on the line where his eyelids meet), at least some will go in his eye and it should help at least keep his eye moist. I didn't see you comment on Michelle's post about steriods. Have you been to a specialist for his eye? Maybe your vet could just consult with an ophthalmologist over the phone to see what they think of the situation? Speaking of old fashioned pain meds... I have used Ketofen syrup for dogs. It doesn't taste bad, slight medicine taste, but not bitter and the the dosage, (at least for small dogs), is small enough that I'm betting it could be hidden in some baby food, or easily squirted in his mouth. I did a quick search on it to see if it can be given to cats and came up with the following site on pain control for dogs and cats: http://www.2ndchance.info/pain.htm Nina Sally wrote: I knew that I skipped a day on the aspirin.. also the vet said the anti-inflammatory properties were good for his eye. He ate more today.good sign I hope. sally
Re: Sally - pain meds (was Uveitis)
Yes, uveitis is treated with topical steroids in the eye. Prednisolone drops is what is usually used; sometimes atropine is used, I think for pain in the eye. See Kerry's email about Bandy's course on these two eye drops (drops can be easier to get in than ointment, too). I also needed to use steroids with both Pepsi and Buddy when they had uveitis. Uveitis is not treated just with antibiotics. It is an inflammation that needs to be taken down with steroids. The only time not to use topical steroids for uveitis is if there is also ulceration of the eye, which the vet needs to check. Michelle In a message dated 12/4/2006 6:48:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As for the steroids are you speaking about for his eye? I think I can discuss that with Dr Staunton next time I see or speak with her. I will also check on the ketophen.
RE: Sally - pain meds (was Uveitis)
Hi Michelle I will see if I can reach Junior's regular Vet tomorrow, she was at a conference last Friday. There is less pain today, but it is still closed. I just want him to fell better. Thanks Sally _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 6:54 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Sally - pain meds (was Uveitis) Yes, uveitis is treated with topical steroids in the eye. Prednisolone drops is what is usually used; sometimes atropine is used, I think for pain in the eye. See Kerry's email about Bandy's course on these two eye drops (drops can be easier to get in than ointment, too). I also needed to use steroids with both Pepsi and Buddy when they had uveitis. Uveitis is not treated just with antibiotics. It is an inflammation that needs to be taken down with steroids. The only time not to use topical steroids for uveitis is if there is also ulceration of the eye, which the vet needs to check. Michelle In a message dated 12/4/2006 6:48:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As for the steroids are you speaking about for his eye? I think I can discuss that with Dr Staunton next time I see or speak with her. I will also check on the ketophen.
Sally - pain meds (was Uveitis)
Hi Sally, I just wanted to comment on getting the antibiotic ointment in Junior's eye... If you put a line of the ointment on your finger and gently apply it to his closed eye, (on the line where his eyelids meet), at least some will go in his eye and it should help at least keep his eye moist. I didn't see you comment on Michelle's post about steriods. Have you been to a specialist for his eye? Maybe your vet could just consult with an ophthalmologist over the phone to see what they think of the situation? Speaking of old fashioned pain meds... I have used Ketofen syrup for dogs. It doesn't taste bad, slight medicine taste, but not bitter and the the dosage, (at least for small dogs), is small enough that I'm betting it could be hidden in some baby food, or easily squirted in his mouth. I did a quick search on it to see if it can be given to cats and came up with the following site on pain control for dogs and cats: http://www.2ndchance.info/pain.htm Nina Sally wrote: I knew that I skipped a day on the aspirin.. also the vet said the anti-inflammatory properties were good for his eye. He ate more today...good sign I hope. sally
Re: Sally - pain meds (was Uveitis)--ketoprofen in dogs
Hi Nina! I just wanted to caution the use of ketoprofen in dogs...it's rare, but severe ulceration of the GI tract can occur as a side effect of the drug...we actually had it happen at the clinic. A young dog died as a result of a severe allergic reaction to ketoprofen...hence we've trashed our remaining supply of the drug and will no longer be using it as a pain reliever. Like I said, it's *rare* to witness such a severe allergic reaction...but I assisted on the necropsy of this dog and couldn't believe what I saw! :( But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. -- Chief Dan George The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long... --Blade Runner - Original Message - From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, December 3, 2006 5:28 pm Subject: Sally - pain meds (was Uveitis) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi Sally, I just wanted to comment on getting the antibiotic ointment in Junior's eye... If you put a line of the ointment on your finger and gently apply it to his closed eye, (on the line where his eyelids meet), at least some will go in his eye and it should help at least keep his eye moist. I didn't see you comment on Michelle's post about steriods. Have you been to a specialist for his eye? Maybe your vet could just consult with an ophthalmologist over the phone to see what they think of the situation? Speaking of old fashioned pain meds... I have used Ketofen syrup for dogs. It doesn't taste bad, slight medicine taste, but not bitter and the the dosage, (at least for small dogs), is small enough that I'm betting it could be hidden in some baby food, or easily squirted in his mouth. I did a quick search on it to see if it can be given to cats and came up with the following site on pain control for dogs and cats: http://www.2ndchance.info/pain.htm Nina Sally wrote: I knew that I skipped a day on the aspirin.. also the vet said the anti-inflammatory properties were good for his eye. He ate more today...good sign I hope. sally
re: Junior and Sally
Hi Sally,From what I am reading you don't need to make any decisions about putting Junior to sleep right this minute; is that correct? He has an upper respiratory infection that is being treated, and is he otherwise okay (other than being FeLV+), right? Why does the vet want to put him to sleep tomorrow?You've got a lot on your plate right now, and I can understand why you are emotionally drained. If Junior is basically alright despite the URI, why not just keep him separate for awhile from Tiny (like you are alreadydoing) and then make decisions as needed. It's too much to ask yourself to make decisions about all your kitties at one time. You need to process this.My thoughts and prayers are with you Sally.Gina Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi,Everyday that goes by I am more confused. Junior went to the vet today. She treated him for the upper respiratory infection. I though all was good with the world. I called her this evening to let her know how junior was doing. I do think he is still running a temp, but I did not want to upset him anymore. She was preparing me to put him down maybe as soon as tomorrow. I know at least for this moment he is not ready to cross that bridge. I have separated him and Tiny. The other cats are still locked outside the bedrooms. And mostly stay outside for their own safety. I know this group is for the cats, but I am mentally, emotionally,and physically drained.I had reactive hypoglycemia this morning.I have ordered immuno-regulan on Kelly's advice. I now will have to talk the vet into giving it. I printed out the protocol for administering it.Does anyone out there know of vets in the Richmond VA area who may be willing to work with me. My usual vets office is extremely busy.I am too tired to think.SallyPS My server would not send this message last night.Junior seems better this morning. I don't believe he has a fever. I will not put him through that ordeal unless I think there is a problem. Junior and Tiny don;t like each other. They don't fight, but they do growl a lot at each other. For now I will keep them separate. The stress may have benn what precipitated this most recent cold. -- No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/476 - Release Date: 10/14/2006Visit my Tigger Tales site! See my cats' gallery at Zazzle How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates.
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Hi Sally,My thoughtis that you might first get your group vaccinated, that way the negatives will have some protection against the disease. Althoughthe vaccine isnot 100% effective, it's better than no protection.Is there a nearbylow-cost clinic available?That is whatwe did.We saved $36 by takingour three catsto a clinic for their FeLV shots rather thanour regular vet. Then, we waited a few weeks before mixing them. One thing I've learned from this group is that FeLV isn't passed as easily as once thought, so I'm praying maybe your others won't contract it.Also, we are giving Pippin500 mg L-Lysine per day and it's costs about $7 for 100 capsules. We give her the contents of one capsulemixed in with her evening wet food. I'm notknowledgeable about the other drugs; hopefully some of the more experienced members of the list can comment.You and your babies are in my thoughts,Gina Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gina,Thanks for the information about URI. If my brain was working right now I probably would have figured that out. As it turns out all the cats that had the Upper respiratory infection have tested positive. I guess their immune systems were fighting too much. Lily had a sneeze or two but never a full blown cold.I just read the abstract regarding using low dose interferon for treatment of FIV and possibly FeLV. I know this was a small study group. Does anyone here have experience with this sort of treatment?More importantly Should all the cats get this drug? The other cats may be already fighting off the virus. I am very limited in funds. And have not yet figured out how I am going to handle the expense of treating and vaccinating the cats. I am still surprised the kitten is testing negative she is probably the most exposed cat to Lionel . They were best buddies. Although he is the only cat testing positive for FIV he may not have been the source of the FeLV. Tiny was the first with the URI. I know I will never know where it originated.OK next question. I could not get appointments for the cats until late November. I will probably be able to get them into the vet as a walk-in sooner. With 9 cats I can't take them all . Should I take the FeLV cats first or get the negative cats to get vaccinated? The cats are separated. For the most part the others are staying outside. Tiny and junior are in my bed room. Mainly to keep Tiny from darting outside which he already did yesterday. I managed to catch him right away, but he will get smart about that and I may not be so lucky the next time.The only medicine I have now is amoxycillin which is being used to treat whatever infection caused Junior's temperature to go so high. I also have Pumpkin'sBaytril, so I am giving that to Tiny for his bite wound. I know it is overkill, but many years ago I lost a cat from a bite wound. The vet advised my dad when he was euthanized he had FeLV. He was 12 yrs old and I remember even after antibiotics his wound never healed. He stayed with me until the end. I am sure he had renal failure.I may have more questions. I need to check out the archives as well. Thanks for the help.SallyAt 07:23 PM 10/13/2006 -0700, you wrote:Sally,A URI is an upper respitory infection. I wonder too if Pumpkin might have had FeLV; maybe a more experienced list member might have an idea? I'm very sorry that he left you so suddenly. It sounds as if there was no time for you to say goodbye. My heart goes out to you with all that you are dealing.Blessings,GinaSally Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:At 06:42 AM 10/13/2006 -0700, you wrote:I am so sorry you lost your two babies and so close together. You must be reeling from the grief and dealing with the other kitties coming up positive. How are the rest of your group doing after the URI?Not sure what the URI stands for. Right now I came home to find one of my cats, Grey and White, up a tree. I guess someone's dog got loose. No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.3/474 - Release Date: 10/13/2006Visit my Tigger Tales site! See my cats' gallery at Zazzle All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster.
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**I just read the abstract regarding using low dose interferon for treatment of FIV and possibly FeLV. I know this was a small study group. Does anyone here have experience with this sort of treatment?**Only at crisis time_no eating, etc_however it depends on the cat. My FIV+ cat has been on intereferon since last year when he crashed but as he got better we're reducing the dose so that he eventually will be completly off. Again, it depends on the cat's needs, I know some people have had cats on interferon for years while others had them on it for weeks. Interferon supplies what the body can't produce and stimulates appetite; it is used in many crisis type situations, not neccesaraly FIV/FeLV. Marta Please visit my shop Cat Agora gifts for cat caregivers http://www.cafepress.com/marta
Re: To Sally
Gina, Thanks for the information about URI. If my brain was working right now I probably would have figured that out. As it turns out all the cats that had the Upper respiratory infection have tested positive. I guess their immune systems were fighting too much. Lily had a sneeze or two but never a full blown cold. I just read the abstract regarding using low dose interferon for treatment of FIV and possibly FeLV. I know this was a small study group. Does anyone here have experience with this sort of treatment? More importantly Should all the cats get this drug? The other cats may be already fighting off the virus. I am very limited in funds. And have not yet figured out how I am going to handle the expense of treating and vaccinating the cats. I am still surprised the kitten is testing negative she is probably the most exposed cat to Lionel . They were best buddies. Although he is the only cat testing positive for FIV he may not have been the source of the FeLV. Tiny was the first with the URI. I know I will never know where it originated. OK next question. I could not get appointments for the cats until late November. I will probably be able to get them into the vet as a walk-in sooner. With 9 cats I can't take them all . Should I take the FeLV cats first or get the negative cats to get vaccinated? The cats are separated. For the most part the others are staying outside. Tiny and junior are in my bed room. Mainly to keep Tiny from darting outside which he already did yesterday. I managed to catch him right away, but he will get smart about that and I may not be so lucky the next time. The only medicine I have now is amoxycillin which is being used to treat whatever infection caused Junior's temperature to go so high. I also have Pumpkin's Baytril, so I am giving that to Tiny for his bite wound. I know it is overkill, but many years ago I lost a cat from a bite wound. The vet advised my dad when he was euthanized he had FeLV. He was 12 yrs old and I remember even after antibiotics his wound never healed. He stayed with me until the end. I am sure he had renal failure. I may have more questions. I need to check out the archives as well. Thanks for the help. Sally At 07:23 PM 10/13/2006 -0700, you wrote: Sally, A URI is an upper respitory infection. I wonder too if Pumpkin might have had FeLV; maybe a more experienced list member might have an idea? I'm very sorry that he left you so suddenly. It sounds as if there was no time for you to say goodbye. My heart goes out to you with all that you are dealing. Blessings, Gina Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 06:42 AM 10/13/2006 -0700, you wrote: I am so sorry you lost your two babies and so close together. You must be reeling from the grief and dealing with the other kitties coming up positive. How are the rest of your group doing after the URI? Not sure what the URI stands for. Right now I came home to find one of my cats, Grey and White, up a tree. I guess someone's dog got loose. -- -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.3/474 - Release Date: 10/13/2006
To Sally
I am so sorry you lost your two babies and so close together. You must be reeling from the grief and dealing with the other kitties coming up positive. How are the rest of your group doing after the URI?You were saying they were all exposed to Lionel and now Juniorand Tiny havetested positive forFeLV. It sounds like the others were tested, but are negative at this point? Was Pumpkin positive as well?I'm new to FeLV. My Pippin tested positive at six weeks of age back in June. We're waiting at least 120 days until she is retested to see if she throws the virus. We were keeping her water, food and litter pan separate from other other three cats from day one (and vice versa). We knew right away that we could not give her up; she was part of our family, but it took awhile before we decided to mix our cats. We got our adult cats vaccinated and waited a few weeks to let the vaccine take hold before mixing them.Since the vaccine is not 100% effective, we know there is a chance that one or more of our kitties could turn up positive in the future. While we hope and pray this doesn't happen, we've gone into it knowing it could happen. But, we take it day to day and enjoy our time with them to the fullest. Our Pippin is healthy at this point and each day with her is a blessing, as well as with our other cats, Tigger, Taylor and Bob.Since Pippin is asymptomatic, we aren't treating her with any drugs at this point. We have her on 500 mg of L-Lysine daily (to boost her immune system) mixed with Innova brandwet food, plus she gets Innova Evo dry.Our other cats are on Authority brand wet food(Petsmart brand) which is the best we can do onour budget at this time. They were eating Friskies wet food, so the Authority is a step up.There is much wisdom, knowledge and experience on this list. You are in the right place :) Blessings to you and your kitties.Gina Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Nina,I am new to the group and recently lost two beautiful babies less than a week apart. I know how you feel when you say numb. I tried to work Tuesday but could not even think. I am left with 2 FeLV positive cats and 7 negative cats. Of course they will need re testing in 6 months. I feel guilty in that for my love of cats I probably brought this in the house when I adopted Lionel. He was a big old Tomcat. Not sure of his age. I immediately had him fixed and made him an indoor cat. He had some injuries from a fight with a raccoon. He had a broken leg which was healed. Also a bite wound that took a month to heal. I have a limited income and I do the best I can by getting the cats fixed at a spay neuter clinic.Long story short..5 of the cats had an upper respiratory infection. Two were taken to the vet and treated with antibiotics. All sick cats stayed inside along with junior and Lionel. All that were most exposed to Lionel got sicker. After Pumpkin died I took Junior back to the vet who tested him for FeLV and he was positive. It was a whirlwind to get the rest tested. Lionel tested positive for FeLV and FIV. With a heavy and guilty heart he had him euthanized. It is the hardest thing I have ever had to do. Tiny tested positive today for FELV . He is now in the house with me and Junior. I still have the two cats separate, because Junior is being treated for some unknown infection that had his temperature at 105.3. This is why they decided to test him.This is the plan of action.Keep cats separated. I think Tiny and Junior can be kept together. I am just waiting until Junior had finished his anibiotics.Get the 7 negative cats vaccinated for FeLV and other vaccines as well.Get Tiny and Junior vaccinated against the other major disease.Pray that 6 months from now the other cats are negative.Anything else major missing from this picture?Oh yes Junior is about 4 and Tiny is 5. They are half brothers. They do not like each other..lolJunior is Blind in one eye because he was hit by a car last March. He has been an inside cat since. Tiny is a major hunter. What can I do to keep him happy and entertained?Again my sympathies go out to you..Sally-- No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.3/473 - Release Date: 10/12/2006Visit my Tigger Tales site! See my cats' gallery at Zazzle Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail.
Re: To Sally
At 06:42 AM 10/13/2006 -0700, you wrote: I am so sorry you lost your two babies and so close together. You must be reeling from the grief and dealing with the other kitties coming up positive. How are the rest of your group doing after the URI? Not sure what the URI stands for. Right now I came home to find one of my cats, Grey and White, up a tree. I guess someone's dog got loose. You were saying they were all exposed to Lionel and now Junior and Tiny have tested positive for FeLV. It sounds like the others were tested, but are negative at this point? YES Was Pumpkin positive as well? NO, he is the reason I took Junior back in as both had anemia. Pumpkin was also jaundiced. Pumpkins last two nights were spent at the vets office. HE was fine the night before perky looking like he would come home. Less than 12 hours later he crashed and had seizures. From what I read all could be symptons of FeLV. He did not even know me and was cold to the touch. I immediately got the vet to euthanize him. He was already gone, just a shell left behind. Lionel ( age unknown) and Pumpkin 1yr old were only with me 7 months. I still loved them very much. Tiny and Junior are half brothers caught from their feral mom. They are 5 and 4 respectively. Two very different kitties.. Tiny is very much the hunter. I will have to find things for him to do. Junior is well adapted to being an inside cat. Unfortunately for him it is what put him at risk. I am sure Lionel or Pumpkin may have been the source. Tiny did have a bite wound when I caught him to take him for testing. I hope he did not bite the other cat back. He is neutered but cats are territorial. I do not want to spread this around. I pray for all the cats here. Sally I'm new to FeLV. My Pippin tested positive at six weeks of age back in June. We're waiting at least 120 days until she is retested to see if she throws the virus. We were keeping her water, food and litter pan separate from other other three cats from day one (and vice versa). We knew right away that we could not give her up; she was part of our family, but it took awhile before we decided to mix our cats. We got our adult cats vaccinated and waited a few weeks to let the vaccine take hold before mixing them. Since the vaccine is not 100% effective, we know there is a chance that one or more of our kitties could turn up positive in the future. While we hope and pray this doesn't happen, we've gone into it knowing it could happen. But, we take it day to day and enjoy our time with them to the fullest. Our Pippin is healthy at this point and each day with her is a blessing, as well as with our other cats, Tigger, Taylor and Bob. Since Pippin is asymptomatic, we aren't treating her with any drugs at this point. We have her on 500 mg of L-Lysine daily (to boost her immune system) mixed with Innova brand wet food, plus she gets Innova Evo dry. Our other cats are on Authority brand wet food (Petsmart brand) which is the best we can do on our budget at this time. They were eating Friskies wet food, so the Authority is a step up. There is much wisdom, knowledge and experience on this list. You are in the right place :) Blessings to you and your kitties. Gina Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Nina, I am new to the group and recently lost two beautiful babies less than a week apart. I know how you feel when you say numb. I tried to work Tuesday but could not even think. I am left with 2 FeLV positive cats and 7 negative cats. Of course they will need re testing in 6 months. I feel guilty in that for my love of cats I probably brought this in the house when I adopted Lionel. He was a big old Tomcat. Not sure of his age. I immediately had him fixed and made him an indoor cat. He had some injuries from a fight with a raccoon. He had a broken leg which was healed. Also a bite wound that took a month to heal. I have a limited income and I do the best I can by getting the cats fixed at a spay neuter clinic. Long story short..5 of the cats had an upper respiratory infection. Two were taken to the vet and treated with antibiotics. All sick cats stayed inside along with junior and Lionel. All that were most exposed to Lionel got sicker. After Pumpkin died I took Junior back to the vet who tested him for FeLV and he was positive. It was a whirlwind to get the rest tested. Lionel tested positive for FeLV and FIV. With a heavy and guilty heart he had him euthanized. It is the hardest thing I have ever had to do. Tiny tested positive today for FELV . He is now in the house with me and Junior. I still have the two cats separate, because Junior is being treated for some unknown infection that had his temperature at 105.3. This is why they decided to test him. This is the plan of action. Keep cats separated. I think Tiny and Junior can be kept together. I am just waiting until Junior had finished his anibiotics. Get the 7 negative cats vaccinated for FeLV and other vaccines as well. Get Tiny
Re: To Sally
Sally,A URI is an upper respitory infection. I wonder too if Pumpkin might have had FeLV; maybe a more experienced list member might have an idea? I'm very sorry that he left you so suddenly. It sounds as if there was no time for you to say goodbye. My heart goes out to you with all that you are dealing.Blessings, Gina Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 06:42 AM 10/13/2006 -0700, you wrote: I am so sorry you lost your two babies and so close together. You must be reeling from the grief and dealing with the other kitties coming up positive. How are the rest of your group doing after the URI? Not sure what the URI stands for. Right now I came home to find one of my cats, Grey and White, up a tree. I guess someone's dog got loose.You were saying they were all exposed to Lionel and now Junior and Tiny have tested positive for FeLV. It sounds like the others were tested, but are negative at this point? YES Was Pumpkin positive as well? NO, he is the reason I took Junior back in as both had anemia. Pumpkin was also jaundiced. Pumpkins last two nights were spent at the vets office. HE was fine the night before perky looking like he would come home. Less than 12 hours later he crashed and had seizures. From what I read all could be symptons of FeLV. He did not even know me and was cold to the touch. I immediately got the vet to euthanize him. He was already gone, just a shell left behind.Lionel ( age unknown) and Pumpkin 1yr old were only with me 7 months. I still loved them very much. Tiny and Junior are half brothers caught from their feral mom. They are 5 and 4 respectively. Two very different kitties.. Tiny is very much the hunter. I will have to find things for him to do. Junior is well adapted to being an inside cat. Unfortunately for him it is what put him at risk. I am sure Lionel or Pumpkin may have been the source.Tiny did have a bite wound when I caught him to take him for testing. I hope he did not bite the other cat back. He is neutered but cats are territorial. I do not want to spread this around.I pray for all the cats here.Sally I'm new to FeLV. My Pippin tested positive at six weeks of age back in June. We're waiting at least 120 days until she is retested to see if she throws the virus. We were keeping her water, food and litter pan separate from other other three cats from day one (and vice versa). We knew right away that we could not give her up; she was part of our family, but it took awhile before we decided to mix our cats. We got our adult cats vaccinated and waited a few weeks to let the vaccine take hold before mixing them.Since the vaccine is not 100% effective, we know there is a chance that one or more of our kitties could turn up positive in the future. While we hope and pray this doesn't happen, we've gone into it knowing it could happen. But, we take it day to day and enjoy our time with them to the fullest. Our Pippin is healthy at this point and each day with her is a blessing, as well as with our other cats, Tigger, Taylor and Bob.Since Pippin is asymptomatic, we aren't treating her with any drugs at this point. We have her on 500 mg of L-Lysine daily (to boost her immune system) mixed with Innova brand wet food, plus she gets Innova Evo dry. Our other cats are on Authority brand wet food (Petsmart brand) which is the best we can do on our budget at this time. They were eating Friskies wet food, so the Authority is a step up.There is much wisdom, knowledge and experience on this list. You are in the right place :) Blessings to you and your kitties.GinaSally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Nina, I am new to the group and recently lost two beautiful babies less than a week apart. I know how you feel when you say numb. I tried to work Tuesday but could not even think. I am left with 2 FeLV positive cats and 7 negative cats. Of course they will need re testing in 6 months. I feel guilty in that for my love of cats I probably brought this in the house when I adopted Lionel. He was a big old Tomcat. Not sure of his age. I immediately had him fixed and made him an indoor cat. He had some injuries from a fight with a raccoon. He had a broken leg which was healed. Also a bite wound that took a month to heal. I have a limited income and I do the best I can by getting the cats fixed at a spay neuter clinic. Long story short..5 of the cats had an upper respiratory infection. Two were taken to the vet and treated with antibiotics. All sick cats stayed inside along with junior and Lionel. All that were most exposed to Lionel got sicker. After Pumpkin died I took Junior back to the vet who tested him for FeLV and he was positive. It was a whirlwind to get the rest tested. Lionel tested positive for FeLV and FIV. With a heavy and guilty heart he had him euthanized. It is the hardest thing I have ever had to do. Tiny tested positive today for FELV . He is now in the house with me and Junior. I still have the two cats separate
Re: OT - Sally in trouble with Panluek
Sorry to hear about the kitties. I have had some kittens that died from it. I have learned alot though. Kittens can overcome panleuk, but they have to be kept very hydrated. I would get a bag of fluids and small needles from the vet, and administer subcutaneously just between the shoulder blades. Also, a great product to use for any dehydrated cats and kittens is Pedialyte (unflavored, of course). Just syringe it orally as much as they can tolerate and repeat, repeat, repeat. With panleuk, as well as intestinal parasites, the kittens usually wind up dying from dehydration, not the actual problem. Also, feed them cooked steamed rice with chicken or turkey broth. Baby food is good too, but be careful not to buy baby food with onion powder in it. Please tell her to get her other cats vaccinated. Good luck, hope this helps. - Original Message - From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 1:49 PM Subject: OT - Sally in trouble with Panluek Hello Everyone, Poor Sally (from San Jose) is waging a terrible battle with Panleukopenia kittens. The mother and four babies, (about 4 or 5 weeks old) were rescued from a back yard situation. She has already lost two of the kittens one of which was diagnosed by a vet with Panleukopenia. Her computer is down and she is desperately seeking help with remedies for vomiting, (the poor little guys can't keep the meds down). They don't have diarrhea yet, (do have soft stool), they are starting to refuse food, as of this morning neither had a temp. So far they have been given 4 doses of Arsenicum Album (6c once an hour), they are getting Transfer Factor Stress formula and Amoxi, (prescribed by vet) and subq fluids. Not only is she losing these sweet babies one at a time, but the rest of her cats, (a whole houseful) are being put in danger. Anyone that thinks they could help, please write me off-list and I'll send you her phone number, or pass on the info. Say a prayer for the babies, their Momma and the rest of Sally's cats, (some of which have not been vaccinated!). Thanks, Nina
Re: OT - Sally in trouble with Panluek
Miriam, Thank you very much for responding with some suggestions for Sally's little babies. Three of the four kittens have already passed. The fourth is not doing very well either. It's so heartbreaking. She has been giving subq fluids and assist feeding tiny amounts of formula every 20 minutes or so. The last little boy, Trevor is doing better at not vomiting the meds and formula back up, so she has hope that he might pull through. Nina MIRIAM BEBITCH wrote: Sorry to hear about the kitties. I have had some kittens that died from it. I have learned alot though. Kittens can overcome panleuk, but they have to be kept very hydrated. I would get a bag of fluids and small needles from the vet, and administer subcutaneously just between the shoulder blades. Also, a great product to use for any dehydrated cats and kittens is Pedialyte (unflavored, of course). Just syringe it orally as much as they can tolerate and repeat, repeat, repeat. With panleuk, as well as intestinal parasites, the kittens usually wind up dying from dehydration, not the actual problem. Also, feed them cooked steamed rice with chicken or turkey broth. Baby food is good too, but be careful not to buy baby food with onion powder in it. Please tell her to get her other cats vaccinated. Good luck, hope this helps.
OT - Sally in trouble with Panluek
Hello Everyone, Poor Sally (from San Jose) is waging a terrible battle with Panleukopenia kittens. The mother and four babies, (about 4 or 5 weeks old) were rescued from a back yard situation. She has already lost two of the kittens one of which was diagnosed by a vet with Panleukopenia. Her computer is down and she is desperately seeking help with remedies for vomiting, (the poor little guys can't keep the meds down). They don't have diarrhea yet, (do have soft stool), they are starting to refuse food, as of this morning neither had a temp. So far they have been given 4 doses of Arsenicum Album (6c once an hour), they are getting Transfer Factor Stress formula and Amoxi, (prescribed by vet) and subq fluids. Not only is she losing these sweet babies one at a time, but the rest of her cats, (a whole houseful) are being put in danger. Anyone that thinks they could help, please write me off-list and I'll send you her phone number, or pass on the info. Say a prayer for the babies, their Momma and the rest of Sally's cats, (some of which have not been vaccinated!). Thanks, Nina
RE: OT - Sally in trouble with Panluek
Could she give a fluid with V-C (sterile form) to kittens - I think it's critical to give these guys fluid to keep them alive -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 11:49 AM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT - Sally in trouble with Panluek Hello Everyone, Poor Sally (from San Jose) is waging a terrible battle with Panleukopenia kittens. The mother and four babies, (about 4 or 5 weeks old) were rescued from a back yard situation. She has already lost two of the kittens one of which was diagnosed by a vet with Panleukopenia. Her computer is down and she is desperately seeking help with remedies for vomiting, (the poor little guys can't keep the meds down). They don't have diarrhea yet, (do have soft stool), they are starting to refuse food, as of this morning neither had a temp. So far they have been given 4 doses of Arsenicum Album (6c once an hour), they are getting Transfer Factor Stress formula and Amoxi, (prescribed by vet) and subq fluids. Not only is she losing these sweet babies one at a time, but the rest of her cats, (a whole houseful) are being put in danger. Anyone that thinks they could help, please write me off-list and I'll send you her phone number, or pass on the info. Say a prayer for the babies, their Momma and the rest of Sally's cats, (some of which have not been vaccinated!). Thanks, Nina
Sally Foster - no mail for a bit
I kept meaning to post... Sally had to go no mail for a while, she was away from her computer for a little too long and she's having email overload problems. She thinks she can still get individual emails, so if you need to talk to her you can try posting to her off-list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] If that doesn't work, write me and I'll get in touch with her. She misses everyone and can't wait to get back. Nina
Sally
A PS--welcome back Sally--we missed you and your wise replies. Kerry - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 10:51 AM Subject: Re: HELP...for Michelle L. Dear Michelle L.: Haven't been onlist for a while due to computer problems and just getting to (trying to, anyhow) a ton of (900+) e-messages. Have you considered having Bramble evaluated by an accupuncturist to see if that might help mediate or clarify his neurological problems?? I don't have direct experience with seizures, but it just seems to make common sense that if you have some sort of neurlogical short-circuiting, making sure the electrical flow in all a critter's meridians is not blocked might be in order. Accupuncture might be able to restore his neurological balance, if that is the case. If this all started after Bramble was treated with a spot-on flea product (or was that another cat and I'm confused?) or due to any drugs he's been given, something that would address detoxification might be helpful. I would suggest contacting a vet who is well-versed in homeopathy and other alternative healing strategies. I don't think giving him more drugs to simply suppress symptoms without addressing the underlying cause is the way to go. And, since you are feeling conflicted about whether or not to try and keep treating Bramble or help him across to the other side, have you considered talking to him via an animal communicator to ask Bramble how he feels about his condition and whether or not he thinks he can get well and wants to keep trying? I make it a point to ask my cats how they feel about their condition when they seem to be failing, or if I am dealing with a puzzling situation for which there seems to be no logical or obvious solution. I've found my cats to be very aware and helpful. There are some animal communicators who in addition to being able to communicate telepathically, are also medically intuitive and/or able to do energy work telepathically, which I have found to be very helpful on more than one occasion, especially in helping one of my crashing FeLV+ furbabies cross over gently and peacefully on their own, as they requested. I've found such communication to be very helpful when vets could give me no idea what was going on and simply wanted to run a battery of expensive diagnostics using the shotgun approach. I was able to keep an old horse going for four years after the vets said there is nothing they could do to help her, with dietary modification/herbs and the help of a very gifted equine animal communicator. If you would like the name of an AC I've used with good results for talking to my cats, I would be happy to send that info to you. Sally in San Jose
For Sally: Please take me off list.
Title: Message Dear Sally, I'm so very sorry to hear of your loss. I know how painful it is. I hope you will be able to draw comfort eventually from the happy memories of your kitty. To unsubscribe, I think the best thing to do is contact James, out administrator. Here's his email address. phaed[EMAIL PROTECTED] Take care. Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 12:57 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Please take me off list. I'm sorry, but, can you make sure Sallyk1955 and [EMAIL PROTECTED] is taken off Felv talk. I lost my kitty last week and it hurts to see these emails. Thank you.This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
for Sally-- San Fran feral champion
Dear Sally I've been carrying your letter in my bag for almost a weekmy apologies for not replying earlier...I want to thank you so very much for your kind words, and for taking the trouble to write...I so appreciate not just this wonderful email you sent me but ALL your emails you send to us all. They are always so supportive and so informative. For my part, my condolences email to you when your horse passed away in the middle of January slipped through the net. I hope late is better than never, to say I'm very sorry for your loss of your dear old friend. Thanks too for the info on the San Francisco program. We need a similarly dynamic young attorney and a Dr Dana Gleason here in Chicago. What San Francisco has achieved is so impressive, and truly a model for the rest of the U.S., not to mention the world. I'm still pretty cut up about Levi, and I still have questions that I'd like to put to the group. I'll try and do so in the next few days. Luckily the remaining 3 positive kitties and Momcat (negative) are all doing well, and look the picture of bouncing health. I'm appreciating every day I have with them. Your email of 2/21 to Chris (Hills food question)is timely for me too, as I'm trying to get a handle on how much they're eating v. how much they should be eating. Even allowing for the fact that we've lost Caramel and Levi, it seems to me they're eating significantly less since Caramel went. (Having said that, they look plump enough. Re-reading your email, perhaps it's because they're that bit older now---17 months, now) Anyway, I've begun recording how much they're actually eating. I've been trying to get them to eat more wet and less dry---I give them Petguard or Wellness wet in the morning, and the same in the evening with the addition at the end of the evening of Wellness dry. They adore the Wellness dry, and your email gave me an insight into why. I think they've got into the habit of cutting back on the wet because they know the dry is coming! You mentioned the difficulties of taking care of ferals who are not cuddly and cooperative, and you are right that they are completely uncooperative; and of course they are not cuddle-able. The frustrating thing is that they are so darn cuddly-LOOKING, especially the two little tabbies, Mickey and Flavia--I long to give the scamps a cuddle, but they play so hard to get 365/24/7! One day. Thanks again for all your fantastic input, Sally. I so appreciate it. Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 3:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: San Fran feral champion Hi Kerry... I can't remember if I ever sent you a message after Levi passed away. That was a crazy weekend for me and then we were having so many problems with the list and I was enduring my own kind of AOHell. When I couldn't log on, an outsourced consultant told me my AOL software was damaged and my disc drive, for whatever reason, could or would not read a disc to reinstall it and they told me nothing could be done. But I started digging on my own, computer dummy that I am, and decided to try defragging the drives, even though only one drive was 16% fragmented. That seemed to do the trick and I was able to log on again to find an overflowing mailbox. You have my utmost admiration for all your efforts dealing with FeLV+ ferals who are not cuddly and cooperative with regards to getting meds. It is difficult enough when you are trying to dose a cat who is even halfway cooperative. You did the very best you could trying to help Levi. Perhaps he tried so hard to stick around even though it was apparent he was not going to be able to get well because his alpha personality made him think he had to try and be there for his remaining siblings. He was sure a gutsy little guy and you did the best you could to try and help him. Sometimes our best is just not enough, and this is so often true when dealing with FeLV. If we can keep them stable with immune support and a good diet and try to minimize the stress in their life, that is about the best we can do until it is better understood what it is that causes the FeLV-A subgroup to mutate into one of the more virulent subgroups, and a way can be found to stall or halt that process (better yet a cure for the whole damned gamut of FeLV and its subgroups!) Levi and his littermates were so lucky to have come into your care, and I am sure he and the others know that. The pain of the losses may never go away completely, but we have to put it in perspective and go on trying to help the others still in our care. I could really feel for what you have to go through after I rescued a little 5 mo. old off the E-list at the local shelter to be a playmate for Purrki, my miracle bably who retested negative for FeLV when he was neutered in Dec. '04. She was on the E-list because she had a minor URI
