Re: PowerBook update.
The National Enquirer reports at 9:03 PM +0200 6/27/04, Marcin Wichary wrote: : : Are you buying this through a dealer? If so, they might set : : this up for you - the partitions, that is, not the multiple OS install. : : I don't mind doing it myself, I only need to know how to do it first. : : There may be better sites, but take a look at these instructions on : taking apart your PB: : (...) Surely I don't need to open my newly-bought PowerBook to partition the hard disk and install one or two other OSes on it? No, not if you are only needing to partition an installed drive. I looked back at the post to which I previously responded, and it was a 4th or 5th generation response with most of the original information deleted. So, I took it to mean that the dealer was going to install the drive and then partition it. Your comment then, would have referred to installing the drive yourself, if you had the instructions, then partition it. Obviously, that's not quite what you meant. Sorry I misinterpreted what your comment. Actually, partitioning is very easy. The hardest part is A.) deciding how big to make the partitions (unless you have a huge drive); B.) making sure you install the correct drivers for the various Operating Systems you will be using. And FWIW give some thought to what you want to name the various partitions before you partition the drive. You can change the names later, but sometimes that involves hassles with aliases and path names. Just as an idea, some us use names that describe what will be in a particular partition -- Boot Drive Applications, Data, Utilities, Downloads, Scrap, CD Burn etc. I went back to re-read your previous posts in this thread (better late than never g) and you sound like you want to install a couple of versions of Panther as well as Jaguar on different partitions. I don't use Panther, so I'll let someone who does, give you instructions on how to partition your drive. But it should be a piece of cake. (I have 8 partitions and 5 Operating Systems on my drive.) Just keep in mind the two caveats I mentioned above. Good Luck, Bob -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Network G4 iBook with PM 7300/500 ??
The National Enquirer reports at 5:46 PM -0700 6/27/04, MacAddictvja wrote: I figured out how to network my PowerMac 7300/500 so it will see my G4 iBook, but the G4 iBook doesn't see the PowerMac 7300/500. What am I setting up wrong? Used an Ethernet cable to network the two computers. What OS are you using on the 7300? I assume you are using 10.2.x or 10.3.x on the G4. Is File Sharing set up and turned on for the 7300? Do you have either your H.D. or partition(s), or specific folders on the 7300 designated to be shared? The answer to the first question will determine what kind of advice you need. BTW just a FWIW (For Whatever It's Worth) comment. You can pick up a 3/4-port Ethernet hub for $15 or less. That makes networking even two computers easier. This is coming from a guy who used a crossover cable for years to connect even to Performas. But with the price of hubs so low these days, it's really better to go that way IMHO. Bob -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Network G4 iBook with PM 7300/500 ??
Thanks for your advice Bob. I will look into getting a hub. Now, to answer your first question. On my PowerMac 7300/500, I use OS 9.1 most of the time. When I share files with my G4 iBook, I will always be using OS 9.1 I have file sharing set on the PowerMac 7300/500, and was able to access all the iBook files from the PM 7300. I tried setting up the iBook for File Sharing, but must be missing something somewhere. I need to be able to access files on the PM from the iBook too, but could not see anything from the PM while on the iBook. Another question: I have the router set up to the PowerMac 7300/500, and was wondering, if I get a hub, can I have the PowerMac connected to the router, and also have the PowerMac networked with my iBook at the same time, so I don't need to continually disconnect the ethernet cable each time I was to network? That would really be great if I could just leave the two computers networked, and also have them both online at the same time through the router. Thanks again for your advice and assistance. -- vjamacaddict 512Ke, SE, SE/30, Classic II, LC II, PB 540c, PM 7300/500, iBook G4 superdrive/bluetooth http://www.angelfire.com/ca2/VernAndrews/ From: Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] What OS are you using on the 7300? I assume you are using 10.2.x or 10.3.x on the G4. Is File Sharing set up and turned on for the 7300? Do you have either your H.D. or partition(s), or specific folders on the 7300 designated to be shared? The answer to the first question will determine what kind of advice you need. BTW just a FWIW (For Whatever It's Worth) comment. You can pick up a 3/4-port Ethernet hub for $15 or less. That makes networking even two computers easier. This is coming from a guy who used a crossover cable for years to connect even to Performas. But with the price of hubs so low these days, it's really better to go that way IMHO. Bob -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Customizing OS X. . .
On 6/27/04 8:35 PM, Tim Gochnour [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 27, 2004, at 8:07 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/27/04 4:47 PM, Tim Gochnour [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Finder Window Picture...not desktop picture Not sure what OS you guys are running, but they are different. I'm running 10.3.4 on here and in my System Prefs is a choice called 'Desktop and Screen Saver' Click on 'Desktop' and beside the pic that you choose is a scroll that says 'Fill Screen, Stretch to Fill, Center and Tile.' Again I say, Finder Window, not Desktop. I am not talking about putting a picture on the desktop I am talking about putting a picture in a Finder window. O.K... so WHY? Sigh...there's one in every crowd...usually they own a Dell -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: PowerBook update.
Bob, Just out of curiosity: What five OSes do you have? Claire (I have 8 partitions and 5 Operating Systems on my drive.) Just keep in mind the two caveats I mentioned above. Good Luck, Bob -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
What to buy with a new PB?
I'm still shopping for my powerbook. I was going to get the 15, but recent posts have me thinking about that 17... What extras do you find essential when owning a powerbook? I've read about stands, extra batteries, displays/mice/keyboards for home use, etc. (I'm sure one person's necessity will be another person's luxury.) Also, when ordering a powerbook from apple.com, how long should I expect to wait until it arrives? Days? Months? Thanks, Claire -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Flaky Pismo
Morning all, I've got a Pismo that is Pismo'ing me off! I obtained a Pismo 400mhz with a blank HD I am trying to format and download OS 9.1 on. The 1st thing I noticed that was odd, once I booted it up w/ OS 9.1 install CD in the DVD-rom drive, was that one of the desktop's menu bar titles had a black line through it. Never seen that before... Anyway, it formatted the HD okay. When went into the install program, and I noticed that (in the read me page and then the software agreement form) more lines of text seemed to be crossed out, or other wise blank. Buy the time I got to the Start Install page, it was totally blank except for the start button. The subsequent install progress display was blank. Also, the install did not take place, it keeps crashing about a minute into the install. What gives? I have used this install CD before, on my 2400 and my 3400, and it never gave me any problems at all, let alone the weird ones I am having now. DOes this sound like a problem w/ my processor? the dvd-rom drive? Any help would be appreciated... Craig W. Atlanta GA If you go to war you have already lost ---Shogun Tokugawa -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Hard drive churning....
Greetings, I've got a dual USB iBook and have just begun using OSX in earnest. Of late the hard drive seems to be quite active for 15 or 20 minutes, even though I'm not using it, and indeed no programs are even open. Is this OSX maintenance, or early warning of HD failure? FWIW, it's a 20gb drive, and it's about 85% full. Cheers, Erik -- ### Erik Ness [EMAIL PROTECTED] 608-242-7604 Urban Outfitters: http://nrdc.org/onearth/04win/reviews.asp Dirty Minds: http://www.gristmagazine.com/books/books121503.asp -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: What to buy with a new PB?
What extras do you find essential when owning a powerbook? I've read about stands, extra batteries, displays/mice/keyboards for home use, etc. (I'm sure one person's necessity will be another person's luxury.) Also, when ordering a powerbook from apple.com, how long should I expect to wait until it arrives? Days? Months? At my desk, I prefer to have my powerbook on a stand, and use an external USB mouse and keyboard. I do not currently use an external display with my Powerbook, I use the internal LCD at the desk. I also have a couple of extra firewire drives for storing data that I only need at home (my Itunes Library is one of those things), one of the drives is used as a backup for my internal drive on my powerbook. I use carbon copy cloner once a week to make a full bootable backup of my internal powerbook drive in case something happens. I bought an extra AC adapter as well (non-Apple). I can leave one at my desk at my office, and leave one at home. FWIW, I really like my 17 PowerBook and I don't find it hard to carry at all. As far as shipping times, those will be listed right on Apple's web site when you go through the ordering process. Steve Fuller -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Network G4 iBook with PM 7300/500 ??
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 17:46:30 -0700 Subject: Network G4 iBook with PM 7300/500 ?? From: MacAddictvja [EMAIL PROTECTED] I figured out how to network my PowerMac 7300/500 so it will see my G4 iBook, but the G4 iBook doesn't see the PowerMac 7300/500. What am I setting up wrong? Used an Ethernet cable to network the two computers. Have you turned on AppleTalk in Directory Services (Applications/Utilities) on the iBook? Also make sure it is on in the Network preferences pane. It can only be active on one port at a time, either wired ethernet or Airport. FWIW, I can't see any older OS from my OSX machines either. I have computers running 7.5.5, 7.6.1, 8.1, and 9.2. All of them can see the OSX computers via IP. --- JSH TiBook -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Hard drive churning....
I've got a dual USB iBook and have just begun using OSX in earnest. Of late the hard drive seems to be quite active for 15 or 20 minutes, even though I'm not using it, and indeed no programs are even open. Is this OSX maintenance, or early warning of HD failure? FWIW, it's a 20gb drive, and it's about 85% full. If you don't have a lot of RAM, OS X will make heavy use of virtual memory and that will make your hard drive work a lot more. Having the drive that full might be an issue as well. Steve Fuller -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Keyboard usage question
Hi list- My question may seem to be a little specialized and a non tech problem. Below is a brief background, but the question that is below the background should be in the area of general experience... regarding the use of a USB keyboard to solve my problem. Thanks for your patience and help. I have a 15 800 MHz Ti-book in which I'm trying to create a dictionary for Sanskrit/English. I'm using File Maker Pro 7 and a Sanskrit font which works pretty well. Since Sanskrit has about twice as many letters than English, I use alternate key strokes with the Keyboard Viewer and the correct keyboard set up. My question is about the use of the imbedded number pad. I can't get it to work. Does anyone have experience using the number pad? If there are limitations with it, does anyone know if a USB extended keyboard will allow full accessibility to all the alternate characters assigned to the keys? dan_A -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Network G4 iBook with an old computer
BTW just a FWIW (For Whatever It's Worth) comment. You can pick up a 3/4-port Ethernet hub for $15 or less. That makes networking even two computers easier. This is coming from a guy who used a crossover cable for years to connect even to Performas. But with the price of hubs so low these days, it's really better to go that way IMHO. --Amen! I have a 7200/90 that i've networked to my G4 tower. First thing i did was install the highest operating system the 7200 would take- 9.1 Then I got rid of things that habitually annoyed me, including the web sever extension (I mean, its a 10Base-T, for god's sake. Its not going to be my sever machine!) Then, i started up file sharing-- which takes a long time. If i recall properly, it was a hassle, but I could connect either way. One more thing, though if you've gotten this far, its probably fine -- make sure the appletalk extension has your ethernet port picked. Sometimes if its powered off/unplugged for a long time, it'll pick the most bizarre option, probably just to be funny. (what a sense of humor the 7200 has...) And make sure your appletalk settings are otherwise together. I used my 7200 as a print server so i could still use my stylewriter with my G3 via the printer port this way. (mac os X likes to disavow any knowledge of the printer and modem ports, a cause of great pain, but not networked printers). Bob is right in having a hub though, that was the magic ingredient for this. OT update-- i'm in the process of buying an iBook... I don't know the seller, so hopefully its going to be legitimate. I can't wait to own a gbook again. Cross your fingers for me! -dylan -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Customizing OS X. . .
NOW THIS IS INTERESTING. . .Did we stumble on a bug that nobody knew about until now? I don't have this so-called Finder Window Picture option. Huh. I'm curious Tim. . .what system are u running 10.3.4 on? Maybe hardware has something to do with it. I've got a Pismo 500 with a gig of RAM. Z I dont have it either. 15 G4 PowerBook,10.3.4 Alan -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Customizing OS X. . .
On Jun 28, 2004, at 12:37 am, Laurent Daudelin wrote: In 10.3.x, if you do open a window, then select View - Show view options, then you have the ability to select a background, including a picture. -Laurent. Only in icon View?? Alan -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Customizing OS X. . .
Only in icon View?? Correct. That's the only way it shows up on my 10.3.4 PowerBook. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: What to buy with a new PB?
Hi Claire, I have a 17 1.33 GHz machine. Very nice, but a little large for portability. Awesome screen, though. My list of extras: small optical mouse (I use a Macally iOptiJr) extra battery OWC keyboard cover (macsales.com) 6' USB cable 6' Firewire cable cables that come with powerbook auto power adapter smiles, Jamie On Jun 28, 2004, at 8:09 AM, Claire Hart wrote: I'm still shopping for my powerbook. I was going to get the 15, but recent posts have me thinking about that 17... What extras do you find essential when owning a powerbook? I've read about stands, extra batteries, displays/mice/keyboards for home use, etc. (I'm sure one person's necessity will be another person's luxury.) -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Can OS 9 be installed?
On Monday, June 28, 2004, at 04:14 PM, Laurent Daudelin wrote: You can certainly install OS 9 after OS X. Can this be done only if the hard drive is, or has already been, partitioned? I had always been under the impression that OS 9 had to be installed first. This question came up because the media lab where I work just bought seven new G5s and I was asked about this. The question was moot because upon looking at the contents of the hard drive, OS 9 was already there. (I assume since there was only one hard drive icon, that it hasn't been partitioned AND this both had already been installed by Apple.) On a related note, does Apple install OS 9 on all new machines? There were restore disks for OS X, but they didn't supply any for OS 9. Seven new beauties and I snagged a couple of the shipping boxes! I hate seeing these end up in the garbage! I'll have some new furniture from them! Donald -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Customizing OS X. . .
On Jun 28, 2004, at 10:53 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/27/04 8:35 PM, Tim Gochnour [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 27, 2004, at 8:07 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/27/04 4:47 PM, Tim Gochnour [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Finder Window Picture...not desktop picture Not sure what OS you guys are running, but they are different. I'm running 10.3.4 on here and in my System Prefs is a choice called 'Desktop and Screen Saver' Click on 'Desktop' and beside the pic that you choose is a scroll that says 'Fill Screen, Stretch to Fill, Center and Tile.' Again I say, Finder Window, not Desktop. I am not talking about putting a picture on the desktop I am talking about putting a picture in a Finder window. O.K... so WHY? Sigh...there's one in every crowd...usually they own a Dell Hey uh, DUH Have you read the posts since? It was a legit question to someone who apparently isn't legit enuf to answer it correctly. Thank you Laurent and JR. BTW... I'm typing this on my G5 Dual 2 with 2.5 gigs of ram, a 128 MB Radeon and dual 250 GB serial drives what's a Dell???LOL -- Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1st/pci-powermacs list nanny You know sometimes I get the sudden urge to run around naked. But then I just drink some Windex. It keeps me from streaking. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Customizing OS X. . .
On Mon, 28 Jun 2004, Alan C.Magnus wrote: On Jun 28, 2004, at 12:37 am, Laurent Daudelin wrote: In 10.3.x, if you do open a window, then select View - Show view options, then you have the ability to select a background, including a picture. -Laurent. Only in icon View?? Aha - YES!! OS 10.2.8 -- Non Illegitimi Carborundum -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Customizing OS X. . .
-Original Message- From: G-Books [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 4:08 PM To: G-Books Subject: Re: Customizing OS X. . . On 6/27/04 4:47 PM, Tim Gochnour [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Finder Window Picture...not desktop picture Not sure what OS you guys are running, but they are different. I'm running 10.3.4 on here and in my System Prefs is a choice called 'Desktop and Screen Saver' Click on 'Desktop' and beside the pic that you choose is a scroll that says 'Fill Screen, Stretch to Fill, Center and Tile.' Again I say, Finder Window, not Desktop. I am not talking about putting a picture on the desktop I am talking about putting a picture in a Finder window. From the desktop open a window. Do a command J (View Menu - Show View Options) and you will see an option to display a picture in the Finder Window. There is no tile, center, stretch to fill or fill screen. Well now, I have fired up the iMac with its 500 G3 10.3.X. Opened up finder, Went to view options, added picture. I was in the Three bears Story. First picture was wayyy tooo big and there was no navigation of the extra real estate. The next picture selected was t Small. So, I guess I will use graphic converter from Lemke Soft to resize. Your observation is correct. This could be improved upon. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Can OS 9 be installed?
Can this be done only if the hard drive is, or has already been, partitioned? I had always been under the impression that OS 9 had to be installed first. To make a new partition on your computer, without reformatting your hard drive, you should check out this cool program called VolumneWorks. See link Below. http://www.subrosasoft.com/thestore/default.php On a related note, does Apple install OS 9 on all new machines? There were restore disks for OS X, but they didn't supply any for OS 9. OS 9 on all new machines is for running classic only. If you have your software restore disk, and you select customize, you will see the option to install classic. Just remember all new machines only boot into OS X. I hope you are not under the impression that by installing classic on your new G5's, that you will able to boot into OS 9. Those days are gone. Regards, Aaron Willems -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Can OS 9 be installed?
On Monday, June 28, 2004, at 07:44 PM, Aaron Willems wrote: OS 9 on all new machines is for running classic only. If you have your software restore disk, and you select customize, you will see the option to install classic. Just remember all new machines only boot into OS X. I hope you are not under the impression that by installing classic on your new G5's, that you will able to boot into OS 9. Those days are gone. OS 9 was already installed by Apple. There's some legacy software that some professor might want to use, so it might be needed. I'm confused though. I thought Classic could only be invoked if a full install of OS 9 were first installed. I guess I thought of Classic as an emulator that wouldn't work without the actual full install of OS 9 being on the hard drive. Does the customize option mean that the restore disks contain a version of OS 9 to make Classic work? Again, I guess I'm thinking that the emulator (Classic) can't function independently from the full install of OS 9. So then i thought, if these machines ever need a clean install, will Classic ever work if OS 9 were not first installed? I'm assuming the lab still has copies of OS 9 on hand if need be. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Can OS 9 be installed?
NO, when you install classic, you install a full version of OS 9. So as long as you have your software restore CD's, your good to go. And, yes Classic (OS 9) is an emulator under OS X, just like Virtual PC. -- Aaron Willems I'm confused though. I thought Classic could only be invoked if a full install of OS 9 were first installed. I guess I thought of Classic as an emulator that wouldn't work without the actual full install of OS 9 being on the hard drive. Does the customize option mean that the restore disks contain a version of OS 9 to make Classic work? Again, I guess I'm thinking that the emulator (Classic) can't function independently from the full install of OS 9. So then i thought, if these machines ever need a clean install, will Classic ever work if OS 9 were not first installed? I'm assuming the lab still has copies of OS 9 on hand if need be. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Customizing OS X. . .
On Jun 28, 2004, at 7:27 PM, Tom wrote: -Original Message- From: G-Books [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 4:08 PM To: G-Books Subject: Re: Customizing OS X. . . On 6/27/04 4:47 PM, Tim Gochnour [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Finder Window Picture...not desktop picture Not sure what OS you guys are running, but they are different. I'm running 10.3.4 on here and in my System Prefs is a choice called 'Desktop and Screen Saver' Click on 'Desktop' and beside the pic that you choose is a scroll that says 'Fill Screen, Stretch to Fill, Center and Tile.' From the desktop open a window. Do a command J (View Menu - Show View Options) and you will see an option to display a picture in the Finder Window. People.. please. Read all the posts before posting. This has been said at least three times so far. This IS true if the original poster wanted to put his pics in the finder windows. TY -- Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1st/pci-powermacs list nanny You know sometimes I get the sudden urge to run around naked. But then I just drink some Windex. It keeps me from streaking. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Can OS 9 be installed?
And, yes Classic (OS 9) is an emulator under OS X, just like Virtual PC. No, it's not. Virtual PC has to emulate the processor, Classic doesn't (for a PowerPC application, for a 68k application it does, but the same thing happens when booted into OS 9). Brian -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Flaky Pismo
--snipped-- Buy(sic) the time I got to the Start Install page, it was totally blank except for the start button. The subsequent install progress display was blank. Also, the install did not take place, it keeps crashing about a minute into the install... --snipped-- Since I didn't see a response in the digest, I'll throw my suggestion in: Sounds like: bad memory, misaligned memory or overheating I would: (with Pismo off) 1) remove battery, external devices, unplug AC 2) remove keyboard, metal cage, heat sink screw 3) carefully remove top RAM card from CPU daughtercard- was it loose? 4) carefully remove CPU daughtercard/heatsink through lifting- was it loose? 5) carefully remove lower RAM card from CPU daughtercard- was it loose? 6) thoroughly examine the RAM- do they match? 7) thoroughly examine the chips on the CPU daughtercard- do they appear discolored? 8) carefully examine the pins of the CPU daughtercard- are any bent? At this point, if nothing appears odd, then make your best judgment call on the RAM - put only one piece of RAM in as you reassemble. The installer does not require any more that 64mb of ram, IIRC, so it should be simple enough to put it back together (careful with the pins on the CPU daughtercard! and it DOES take a solid force to press it in completely) and run your installer CD again. If problems remain, try the other RAM card by itself as well. Do you have a Hardware Test CD for your Pismo? I'd recommend letting that RUN FIRST. Good luck! stein -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: PowerBook update.
The National Enquirer reports at 9:58 AM -0500 6/28/04, Claire Hart wrote: (I have 8 partitions and 5 Operating Systems on my drive.) Just keep in mind the two caveats I mentioned above. Good Luck, Bob Bob, Just out of curiosity: What five OSes do you have? One of the advantages of using an older PB is that it is not limited to OS X.x. So I have the following Operating Systems: 8.5 which was what I was using when I installed the new drive. 8.6 which became my primary OS when I discovered that it didn't kill anything that I had been using 9.1 which is installed primarily for tech support 9.2.2 for Classic and possible use if I hadn't been able to get my USB printer Airport to run in 8.6 10.2.4 for OS X usage If I wasn't limited to using the first 8GB on this PB, I would install 10.3.4 on it as well. But I can't without overwriting 10.2.4, which I'm not ready to do. Actually, I have another OS installed. I always keep a backup copy of my primary OS on another partition so that I can grab anything from the System or Finder file, to any Extension or CP and copy them to the primary System without having to reinstall or use TomeViewer. That's why I have never done a clean install in all of the years that I've used a Mac. Bob -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Finder window pic
It is real and it is a finder window. In 10.2 open a window from the desk top and select icon view. At this point you will be able to select preference for the window and choose a picture from the choices from the bottom of the list. There are a number of available pic's to choose from. There are no options for the pic. This was a new an unknown feature for me. The line that I think is in question is at the bottom and right sides and that would be for the scroll bars the left side is missing this feature and therefore make the bleed of the pic. extend off to the right and looks funny. Shaack -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Network G4 iBook with an old computer
The National Enquirer reports at 1:18 PM -0400 6/28/04, Dylan Moore wrote: BTW just a FWIW (For Whatever It's Worth) comment. You can pick up a 3/4-port Ethernet hub for $15 or less. That makes networking even two computers easier. This is coming from a guy who used a crossover cable for years to connect even to Performas. But with the price of hubs so low these days, it's really better to go that way IMHO. --Amen! snip Then, i started up file sharing-- which takes a long time. The length of time starting up File Sharing depends on how much of your drive you want to make available for sharing, and how many files are in that part of the drive. Try sharing just one fairly small partition or just a few multi-level folders, and it won't take any time at all to startup FS. If i recall properly, it was a hassle, but I could connect either way. One of the potential problems when using a crossover cable is that some units have to have AppleTalk started up simultaneously on both units or AT won't start up at all. That's hard enough if you are sitting where you can reach both keyboards at the same time, but almost impossible if the computers are sitting more than 3 or 4 feet from each other. One more thing, though if you've gotten this far, its probably fine -- make sure the appletalk extension has your ethernet port picked. Sometimes if its powered off/unplugged for a long time, it'll pick the most bizarre option, probably just to be funny. (what a sense of humor the 7200 has...) That won't happen if you are using a hub, which was one of the primary reasons I had in mind when I suggested it. The hub will keep the network alive even if there isn't a second computer plugged into it. So you won't get AppleTalk changing from Ethernet or Airport to the modem/printer port without you knowing it. OT update-- i'm in the process of buying an iBook... I don't know the seller, so hopefully its going to be legitimate. I can't wait to own a gbook again. Cross your fingers for me! Best of luck with your purchase. Bob -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Can OS 9 be installed?
And, yes Classic (OS 9) is an emulator under OS X, just like Virtual PC. No, it's not. Virtual PC has to emulate the processor, Classic doesn't (for a PowerPC application, for a 68k application it does, but the same thing happens when booted into OS 9). Brian Classic is more like a Hardware Abstraction Layer (HAL) than an emulator. It runs a native PowerPC binary on the CPU, but isn't allowed to access hardware directly. That's why some of the older OS 8/9 apps that tried to take direct control of your hardware don't work in Classic but do when you boot a real OS 9 installation. Well behaved apps use only the Mac OS APIs to talk to hardware (like using QuickTime to access capture devices instead of doing it directly). Those are generally the apps that run well in Classic. Peace, Drew -- Author of ClassicStumbler email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://www.alksoft.com/ Visit the PowerBook 5300 FAQ! http://www.alksoft.com/5300_FAQ/ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Can OS 9 be installed?
The National Enquirer reports at 5:48 PM -0700 6/28/04, Brian L. Matthews wrote: And, yes Classic (OS 9) is an emulator under OS X, just like Virtual PC. No, it's not. Virtual PC has to emulate the processor, Classic doesn't (for a PowerPC application, for a 68k application it does, but the same thing happens when booted into OS 9). It's a matter of semantics, but I'm glad someone corrected the misstatement. The Classic Environment is **not** an emulator. technical warning To quote Apple's Mac OS X documentation: To the Mac OS 9 operating system that it hosts, Classic appears as a new hardware platform. It implements hardware services using the Mac OS X kernel environment (particularly the I/O Kit). The Classic environment is not an emulator; Mac OS 9 runs natively in it. An emulator converts hardware calls from one language/platform to another. For example, Windows doesn't run on Mac hardware, so Virtual PC emulates PC hardware so that Windows can run on the Mac. The Classic Environment is actually a hardware abstraction layer. OS 9 runs on Mac hardware, and was in fact written for Mac hardware. But since you can't boot into two operating systems at the same time, one of the two OSes has to be in control of the hardware. Classic approximates the underlying hardware of your computer, and then OS 9 loads on top of that hardware abstraction layer. Any hardware access needed by OS 9 running in Classic is then funneled through OS X. (This allows OS X to manage all hardware access.) For example, when a Classic application accesses the Ethernet port on your Mac, what's really happening is that the Classic application is accessing the Ethernet port of Classic, which is then tunneled through Mac OS X to the actual Ethernet port. So remember, that Classic uses the OS X AppleTalk. You should have AppleTalk turned on in both Systems.(??) The key point here is hardware vs. software. To put it (overly) simply, emulation is used to make something run where it can't, whereas hardware abstraction is used to allow two compatible things to run cooperatively. Although Virtual PC and the Classic Environment appear to operate similarly from the user's point of view, how they do what they do is much different. end of technical description If your computer can boot into OS 9: Both as a Classic system environment and as a native OS 9 boot system, there is no difference between a Classic System Folder and a native System Folder; they are one and the same. You can copy it to your heart's content, and if you put it on an OS X system and try to boot Classic, and it needs some special files to do so, the OS X system will put what it needs into the System Folder before booting it; doing so does **nothing** that affects booting it into native OS 9. However, not all of OS 9 runs when it is being used as Classic. Some of OS 9's functions are subsumed by OS X. See: http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/macosx/Essentials/SystemOverview/ index.html Go to: Installation and Integration -- The Classic Environment Bob -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Can OS 9 be installed?
On Monday, June 28, 2004, at 09:46 PM, Andrew Kershaw wrote: Classic is more like a Hardware Abstraction Layer (HAL) than an emulator. It runs a native PowerPC binary on the CPU, but isn't allowed to access hardware directly. That's why some of the older OS 8/9 apps that tried to take direct control of your hardware don't work in Classic but do when you boot a real OS 9 installation. Well behaved apps use only the Mac OS APIs to talk to hardware (like using QuickTime to access capture devices instead of doing it directly). Those are generally the apps that run well in Classic. Drew: Is this why back in 2000/2001, I was advised to have OS 9 installed in addition to OS X? (I was a complete newbie to home computing and I chose the Mac platform, but was a little taken aback by having to adapt to two operating sysytems. I quickly left OS 9 behind, having no legacy software.) I remember that OS X 10.0 was sold in a box with the OS 9 CD. Was the API issue being taken into consideration? So, all I have that is incompatible with OS X is a collection of those Apple advertising demos that were played in Apple Stores on a loop. The installer requires OS 9. I'll try a custom install without OS 9 and see if I can get them to run. Donald -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: What to buy with a new PB?
The National Enquirer reports at 2:22 PM -0700 6/28/04, Jamie Pruden wrote: On Jun 28, 2004, at 8:09 AM, Claire Hart wrote: I'm still shopping for my powerbook. I was going to get the 15, but recent posts have me thinking about that 17... What extras do you find essential when owning a powerbook? I've read about stands, extra batteries, displays/mice/keyboards for home use, etc. (I'm sure one person's necessity will be another person's luxury.) Hi Claire, I have a 17 1.33 GHz machine. Very nice, but a little large for portability. Awesome screen, though. My list of extras: small optical mouse (I use a Macally iOptiJr) extra battery OWC keyboard cover (macsales.com) 6' USB cable 6' Firewire cable cables that come with powerbook auto power adapter smiles, Jamie Keeping it as cool as possible would be my #1 priority. Heat is the biggest enemy of your PB. So I would suggest getting some sort of device to let air circulate under your unit. Anything from a CoolPad to one of the many PB stands or USB fan units that are available. The second thing you may want to consider is some sort of surge protection. Either a surge protector (a quality one, not a $15 el-cheapo) or a UPS (uninterruptable power supply) that has built-in surge protection. You really don't need a UPS for a PB, the rechargeable batteries act like a UPS. But it depends on what else you may want to plug into it (not a laser printer though). Power surges and spikes are dangerous to a PB. **Important note**: Be sure whatever you get, that you can plug in your Ethernet cable (if you are going to have a network with a hub, as well as your phone line (if you are using a dial-up connection). If either of these are not connected to the surge protector/UPS, you are left vulnerable and IMO might as well not have any protection at all. Thirdly (speaking of cables in Jamie's list above), if you hobnob with other Mac enthusiasts (either friends, co-workers or User's Group members), you may find a 6-10' Ethernet cable extremely valuable. Being able to quickly connect to another Mac to get a file or an update can be extremely valuable. If it were me, I would get a crossover cable so that you will be able to hookup directly to older units that don't have the ability of auto-sensing the cable. But you can't use a crossover cable to connect to an Ethernet hub, say at your brother-in-law's house. P.S. The obvious necessity, of course, with a portable is a carrying case. :-) Just my $.02 worth, Bob -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: What to buy with a new PB?
Keeping it as cool as possible would be my #1 priority. Heat is the biggest enemy of your PB. So I would suggest getting some sort of device to let air circulate under your unit. Anything from a CoolPad to one of the many PB stands or USB fan units that are available. While researching chillers and coolers for an article I wrote for the Double Click newsletter, I purchased an ACTIVE cooler from www.xoxide.com for an amazingly low price (less than $15.00 I think) that specced out to exactly the same as several very similar-looking devices that were twice the price. Its an acrylic plastic angle-plate with TWO USB-powered fans built into it and a USB port and on/off switch. The iBook sits on little rubber knobs and the fans provide a wash of cooling air to the underside of the iBook that blows out from under it in all directions. I tested it extensively with ThermograpgX and a G4 iBook and I always use it now when playing DVDs. Drops the temperature of different parts of the iBook somewhere between 6 and 10 degrees depending on which of the four component sensors are charted. Some passive devices i looked at cost hundreds of dollars and some were fancy machined billet aluminum or some space-age conductor. The chiller sold by XOXIDE.COM is cheap and cheerful. I only use it when running on the AC Power Adapter so I don't know how it would affect battery life. M -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Can OS 9 be installed?
At 3:06 PM -0500 6/28/04, macnifico wrote: I bought a Pismo with OS X.3, but no OS 9. Can I install it now? Problems? Tips? Best regards. Shouldn't be a problem as long as the OS 9 hard disk drivers were installed during format. If not, it may still be possible to install it but only for use in Classic, not booting. Otherwise you would need to reformat the disk. If you only plan on using it for Classic or minimal use booted in 9 then do a custom install and de-select the things you don't need. -- -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Can OS 9 be installed?
At 5:00 PM -0700 6/28/04, Aaron Willems wrote: NO, when you install classic, you install a full version of OS 9. So as long as you have your software restore CD's, your good to go. And, yes Classic (OS 9) is an emulator under OS X, just like Virtual PC. Classic is not an emulator. It is run as a program under OS X. An emulator like Virtual PC emulates the Pentium processor and runs DOS/Windows on that. Classic runs as a program within OS X but it still uses the PPC processor to run programs. Under OS 7 through 9 with the introduction of the PPC processor older 68K code WAS emulated. -- -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Network G4 iBook with an old computer
At 7:25 PM -0600 6/28/04, Bob wrote: The National Enquirer reports at 1:18 PM -0400 6/28/04, Dylan Moore wrote: BTW just a FWIW (For Whatever It's Worth) comment. You can pick up a 3/4-port Ethernet hub for $15 or less. That makes networking even two computers easier. This is coming from a guy who used a crossover cable for years to connect even to Performas. But with the price of hubs so low these days, it's really better to go that way IMHO. --Amen! snip Then, i started up file sharing-- which takes a long time. The length of time starting up File Sharing depends on how much of your drive you want to make available for sharing, and how many files are in that part of the drive. Try sharing just one fairly small partition or just a few multi-level folders, and it won't take any time at all to startup FS. Startup time is more dependent on the number of folders rather than files. It is the folders that have access control (under pre-OS X) If you share a single folder only and it still takes too long to startup then you probably need to delete the AppleShare PDS file which is an invisible file at the root of any disk that has ever been shared. If it gets corrupt it can slow or even stall FileSharing startup. -- -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Keeping the WaveLAN card in at all times...Wallstreet PDQ...
Hi guys, quick question... I know about all the problems that exist with the Wallstreet card cage. I want to know if I can leave my WaveLAN Silver card in permanently even when I am using wired Ethernet like I usually do. If I can keep the card in forever maybe I'll never have to deal with the dead card cage situation. Oh yeah, I'm going to give the AirPort drivers a go. I want to be able to run Classic Stumbler and the IOXperts driver isn't supported by Classic Stumbler. Take care, Michelle -- Michelle Klein-Hass Box 2273, Van Nuys, CA 91404-2273 Brought to you by Linux, KDE and KMail...try it, you'll like it! -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
