Re: security re: file sharing/networks (was Re: Wireless router that handles AppleTalk)
At 6:00 PM -0800 01/13/2006, John Siple wrote: There are a few considerations here. I've thought about this a bit. I have a neighbor who is running an unencrypted network. I sometimes log on to see if network problems are because of my ISP or because of my hardware. Mostly my connection is handier so I use mine. I also have an unencrypted network. She could log onto mine if her ISP gets goofy. I don't think she knows that. But the legalities of exactly who owns bandwidth are undefined. No, they're not. The bandwidth is owned by the ISP. You're permitted to use it based on the limitations set in the AUP/TOS. AUP = Acceptable Use Policy TOS = Terms of Service For instance let's say that I pay an outrageous fee for my connection, which I do, but I need to go on a little trip and while visiting relatives I find an unencrypted access point that connects to my original comcast ISP. Am I stealing bandwidth to use it? I would be doing the same stuff at home but ... In the case of Comcast... Sharing your connection beyond your premises is Theft Of Services. Using a Comcast connection that someone has left open is Theft Of Services. Being a Comcast customer in one area does not give you carte blanche to jack in anywhere. And what is the situation of my own home use? I have 4 Macs and a printer all clawing their way to my router. Sometimes, like during Christmas when my girls are home with their own laptops, I have five. It's all my own family. I still pay rent for all these kids. Woohoo! Kids that you can return when the lease expires! This is why I don't mind babysitting -- you get to give them back when they get cranky! :) Why shouldn't they be able to use my WAN the way they can use the heat inside my house? You mean yer LAN. Even with a wireless hop, it's still local. They should, do, and are permitted per the Comcast agreements. Comcast will not provide technical support your LAN, unless you pay for that support. But you're certainly allowed to fill your home with your kids (leased or owned) and their equipment. ...I remember the early @Home days, when in many areas the TOS specifically stated you could not use NAT. To connect multiple computers, you had to purchase an individual IP for each, for a few bucks per month. Entre the Bells and xDSL - who permitted NAT. The pressure made @Home change their policy. Havoc then occured in some areas because the MSOs had used the 192.168/16 block for some of their intranet (local routers and such)... it made routing interesting when customers misconfigured their home routers! And why should the woman next door, who has one, maybe two computers and no family be paying the same rate I pay? Is she getting ripped off? I kind of think so. She has the same service level caps that you do. She can use the same amount of bandwidth as you. So of course she should pay the same. Same goes for her phone line, sewer, water, gas, and electric hookups. +/- metering. Beware them people what live alone. They're often the heavy gamers or p2p'ers that eat all the upstream bandwidth on your drop! I have also gone down the block to a free internet zone sponsored by the city and connected there. Sometimes I go to the library and they have open connections. Is it somehow unfair use that my neighbor can't take her PC downtown and connect with it? She pays the same taxes I pay. Why can't she take her PC downtown? I know someone who borrows her neighbor's wireless connection for free. He knows about it. She admits it would be better if she got her own. Interesting ethos there. If you saw two people steal merchandise worth, say $45, each month, don't you have an obligation to report them? And if you keep mum about it, doesn't that make you liable as part of their criminal conspiracy? Oh there are just sooo many annoying things you could do to this person. Change your SSID to a racial slur. Change it to something that pokes her politics. hum. hum? hum! oOOOo *chuckle**cough**LOL**ROFL**cough**lung**cough**LOL* - Dan. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: security re: file sharing/networks
At 11:52 PM -0800 01/13/2006, Clem Bacani wrote: Drive around the neighborhood, park your car, open your laptop with broadband wireless adapter and presto you are connected online. Chances are you will have more than one signal within that area. You are not stealing a signal because you are not intruding to someone else's property. Incidentally, the signal is there in the air for you to use. Indeed it is a gray area. Unless the signal is originating from a source with a TOS that permits sharing beyond the premesis, it is theft of services. Period. This is not like radio - where you're only receiving. This is bi-directional communication. - Dan. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: security re: file sharing/networks
On 13-Jan-06, at 11:52 PM, Clem Bacani wrote: Drive around the neighborhood, park your car, open your laptop with broadband wireless adapter and presto you are connected online. Chances are you will have more than one signal within that area. You are not stealing a signal because you are not intruding to someone else's property. Incidentally, the signal is there in the air for you to use. Not true - it is theft of service and you are intruding, even though you are not literally in their home. The signal you pick up is likely only open simply because a resident in that area who has a wireless router did not bother to, or does not know how to, set up security to protect their network. This does not make it legal for you to surf and is not a gray area at all. Actually, what you suggest above is just as much a crime as walking into somebody's home because you found the door unlocked and using/ stealing their property. Amber -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: security re: file sharing/networks
I totally agree on this one. I don't think the laws have caught up with the technology yet. It's a matter of the (restating the obvious) the technology having advanced so fast that legislation has not been able to act on the legality of intrusion into somebody else's home network. Yes, a lot of people have no clue about how to secure their networks. Right now, as I sit here typing this, if I click on the Airport icon, I can see 3 other networks in my area. 2 are secured as is mine. The other, it just calls itself 'linksys' is totally open. I have been able to connect to the net with it and get my mail. I wish I knew who this network belonged to, I'd certainly offer to help him/her secure it. Tim On Saturday, January 14, 2006, at 10:40AM, Amber R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 13-Jan-06, at 11:52 PM, Clem Bacani wrote: Drive around the neighborhood, park your car, open your laptop with broadband wireless adapter and presto you are connected online. Chances are you will have more than one signal within that area. You are not stealing a signal because you are not intruding to someone else's property. Incidentally, the signal is there in the air for you to use. Not true - it is theft of service and you are intruding, even though you are not literally in their home. The signal you pick up is likely only open simply because a resident in that area who has a wireless router did not bother to, or does not know how to, set up security to protect their network. This does not make it legal for you to surf and is not a gray area at all. Actually, what you suggest above is just as much a crime as walking into somebody's home because you found the door unlocked and using/ stealing their property. Amber -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- Exterminate all rational thought. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: security re: file sharing/networks
Is it illegal if I'm visiting a person and log on with my PowerBook? Or if 2 unrelated persons are sharing an apartment, is it illegal for both to utilize the service? Seems like a gray legal area. Jerry You will find that there usually is not a gray area at all if you read the TOS ( terms of service) for the ISP involved. They are quite specific about how their services are to be used. Of course, I am sure there are hundreds of people who visit friends with wireless connections and just open up their laptops and surf. Is it legal ? again depends on the ISP TOS, but there can be serious consequences. i.e. The person paying for the service would be liable for anything illegal their guest/visitors were caught doing on-line as it all would come back to their IP address. Unless you could prove it was your guests who were responsible, you would be the one going to jail. This was just one concern I had about my neighbour and her brother having access to my network. As for 2 unrelated persons sharing an apartment - In most cases, tenants will share the cost of the service and both have legal access to it. As long as this is permitted by the ISP, it's legal. Most ISP's allow this as many families will have multiple computers and want internet access for all of them. Amber -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: security re: file sharing/networks
This theft of service bull is nonsense! If I buy a subscription to say, MacWorld, then leave it in the break room at work for my coworkers to read after I've read it, that's sharing, not stealing. If I buy bandwidth from the local telco or cable company and let my neighbors have what I don't need, that's sharing, not stealing. Granted, the telcos and cable industry with their lobbyists have managed to persuade congress otherwise, but those laws are unenforceable anyway- is anyone doing time in club fed for theft of service with their home computer? On 13-Jan-06, at 11:52 PM, Clem Bacani wrote: Drive around the neighborhood, park your car, open your laptop with broadband wireless adapter and presto you are connected online. Chances are you will have more than one signal within that area. You are not stealing a signal because you are not intruding to someone else's property. Incidentally, the signal is there in the air for you to use. Not true - it is theft of service and you are intruding, even though you are not literally in their home. The signal you pick up is likely only open simply because a resident in that area who has a wireless router did not bother to, or does not know how to, set up security to protect their network. This does not make it legal for you to surf and is not a gray area at all. Actually, what you suggest above is just as much a crime as walking into somebody's home because you found the door unlocked and using/stealing their property. Amber -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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There's a difference between sitting outside a public library that offers free internet (with the permission and understanding of their service provider) and sitting outside someone's home and accessing a wifi signal that wasn't locked down. To say there isn't, or that just because it's there and you can use it, is just rationalization of theft. If the laws change to allow that, fine, but 1) the laws aren't written that way, and 2) with the vested interests that the service providers have in selling service, they probably won't be. Have I done some signal sniffing? Sure, I'll bet we all have, just to see if we could do it. Did I continue to do so? Nope--in fact I tracked down the person who had the open signal in my area and advised them to encrypt their signal. At that point it's their responsibility.l My Airport widget tells me there's 2 WEP signals nearby--at least these folk know how to turn their security settings on. :) Later..Howard -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: security re: file sharing/networks
On 14-Jan-06, at 8:18 AM, Dyna wrote: This theft of service bull is nonsense! If I buy a subscription to say, MacWorld, then leave it in the break room at work for my coworkers to read after I've read it, that's sharing, not stealing. If I buy bandwidth from the local telco or cable company and let my neighbors have what I don't need, that's sharing, not stealing. Actually, the latter is normally against your terms of service so it is theft of service - not from you, but from the cable company. You allowing it to happen makes you just as guilty. Granted, the telcos and cable industry with their lobbyists have managed to persuade congress otherwise, but those laws are unenforceable anyway- is anyone doing time in club fed for theft of service with their home computer? Just because the laws governing the theft of signal are currently difficult to enforce, it doesn't mean it's okay to break these laws. It would seem that as long as you can get away with something, it's okay for you or others to do it. Here is an example of a law being temporarily unenforceable - There is a major riot going on in a large city and people are looting stores/businesses left and right because there are not enough police resources to apprehend them. Laws are still being broken. Theft and vandalism are still are occurring. Just because these people are not being caught and charged does not mean a crime has not been committed. Amber -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: security re: file sharing/networks
Howard and Amber, perhaps my age is showing here, and the fact that I don't work in the computer biz. I was raised in the day when you were expected to pay for things like new books, bicycles, etc But once you'd bought them they were yours and you could loan or give your magazine or bicycle to a friend or neighbor as you wished. What has happened in the past few years is that the software companies, telcos, and cable companies have managed to pass tyrannical laws that stand centuries of legal tradition dating back to english common law on it's head. As a result people working in the computer biz are terrified that they'll be fired and blacklisted for installing an unwrapped copy of Windoze 95 on a friends old computer, etc. For us ordinary civilians who do not rely on the Micro$oft et al food chain for our sustenance this paranoia is pretty ridiculous. For example over the years when I had nothing to do at work I'd download my e-mail from the coffee shop across the streets Wi-Fi. I also went over their on breaks often and bought coffee and such. Was I stealing, or merely taking advantage of a free service they were providing? While travelling at night I have also parked next to a closed public library and used their Wi-Fi to check my e-mail, the weather, etc Was that stealing? Now if I were to walk into my local police station and turn myself in for these crimes they'd laugh me outa the place- they have real crime to deal with and don't want to be bothered with this BS. If I really insisted and it was a slow day they might write me a ticket for petty misdeanor theft and give me a phone number to call to set a court date months off. When I arrived in court (most likely an office cubicle with a fresh out of law school referee presiding) my case would go to the bottom of the docket. Around 5 pm, after all the real petty misdemeanors had been dealt with, I'd get my day in court. His eye on the clock, the prosecuting attorney would offer to drop the charges... when I refused to accept that he'd tell me to prosecute myself then, and head out the door. The referee would sentence me to one hours probation and maybe $100 court costs if I complained further as she put on her jacket and raced out the door. So let's quit being paranoid and let some common sense prevail. On 14-Jan-06, at 8:18 AM, Dyna wrote: This theft of service bull is nonsense! If I buy a subscription to say, MacWorld, then leave it in the break room at work for my coworkers to read after I've read it, that's sharing, not stealing. If I buy bandwidth from the local telco or cable company and let my neighbors have what I don't need, that's sharing, not stealing. Actually, the latter is normally against your terms of service so it is theft of service - not from you, but from the cable company. You allowing it to happen makes you just as guilty. Granted, the telcos and cable industry with their lobbyists have managed to persuade congress otherwise, but those laws are unenforceable anyway- is anyone doing time in club fed for theft of service with their home computer? Just because the laws governing the theft of signal are currently difficult to enforce, it doesn't mean it's okay to break these laws. It would seem that as long as you can get away with something, it's okay for you or others to do it. Here is an example of a law being temporarily unenforceable - There is a major riot going on in a large city and people are looting stores/businesses left and right because there are not enough police resources to apprehend them. Laws are still being broken. Theft and vandalism are still are occurring. Just because these people are not being caught and charged does not mean a crime has not been committed. Amber -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info:
Re: security re: file sharing/networks
I've also recently noticed a LinkSys open network, and I'd like to know who it is so I could offer to help. I'm also surprised, since our house is several hundred feet away from the nearest neighbor. I guess they installed a high-gain antenna. I also use a (directional) high-gain antenna on my SMC Barricade G, so the signal can penetrate an area with high interference (which i haven't been able to identify). One of these days I'll walk around the neighborhood with MacStumbler on so I can figure out whose signal the LinkSys is, and make sure my signal doesn't reach the neighbors. Since I use an OS X 10.4.4 PowerBook and my wife uses an old clamshell iBook, we can't use (AFAIK) the same WEP encryption (and the iBook can't use newer security methods). I've figured it didn't matter since we're so far from neighbors and set back quite a bit from the road, but I guess I'll check. Regards, Harry Corsover -- On Jan 14, 2006, at 8:57 AM, Tim Collier wrote: I totally agree on this one. I don't think the laws have caught up with the technology yet. It's a matter of the (restating the obvious) the technology having advanced so fast that legislation has not been able to act on the legality of intrusion into somebody else's home network. Yes, a lot of people have no clue about how to secure their networks. Right now, as I sit here typing this, if I click on the Airport icon, I can see 3 other networks in my area. 2 are secured as is mine. The other, it just calls itself 'linksys' is totally open. I have been able to connect to the net with it and get my mail. I wish I knew who this network belonged to, I'd certainly offer to help him/her secure it. Tim = Feel better, look younger, live longer and make more money with Synergy Worldwide: Harry Corsover [EMAIL PROTECTED]303-909-9218 www.harryc.biz -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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You hit the nail in the head. You are the modern day Robin Hood. On Jan 14, 2006, at 9:33 AM, Dyna wrote: Howard and Amber, perhaps my age is showing here, and the fact that I don't work in the computer biz. I was raised in the day when you were expected to pay for things like new books, bicycles, etc But once you'd bought them they were yours and you could loan or give your magazine or bicycle to a friend or neighbor as you wished. What has happened in the past few years is that the software companies, telcos, and cable companies have managed to pass tyrannical laws that stand centuries of legal tradition dating back to english common law on it's head. As a result people working in the computer biz are terrified that they'll be fired and blacklisted for installing an unwrapped copy of Windoze 95 on a friends old computer, etc. For us ordinary civilians who do not rely on the Micro$oft et al food chain for our sustenance this paranoia is pretty ridiculous. For example over the years when I had nothing to do at work I'd download my e-mail from the coffee shop across the streets Wi-Fi. I also went over their on breaks often and bought coffee and such. Was I stealing, or merely taking advantage of a free service they were providing? While travelling at night I have also parked next to a closed public library and used their Wi-Fi to check my e-mail, the weather, etc Was that stealing? Now if I were to walk into my local police station and turn myself in for these crimes they'd laugh me outa the place- they have real crime to deal with and don't want to be bothered with this BS. If I really insisted and it was a slow day they might write me a ticket for petty misdeanor theft and give me a phone number to call to set a court date months off. When I arrived in court (most likely an office cubicle with a fresh out of law school referee presiding) my case would go to the bottom of the docket. Around 5 pm, after all the real petty misdemeanors had been dealt with, I'd get my day in court. His eye on the clock, the prosecuting attorney would offer to drop the charges... when I refused to accept that he'd tell me to prosecute myself then, and head out the door. The referee would sentence me to one hours probation and maybe $100 court costs if I complained further as she put on her jacket and raced out the door. So let's quit being paranoid and let some common sense prevail. On 14-Jan-06, at 8:18 AM, Dyna wrote: This theft of service bull is nonsense! If I buy a subscription to say, MacWorld, then leave it in the break room at work for my coworkers to read after I've read it, that's sharing, not stealing. If I buy bandwidth from the local telco or cable company and let my neighbors have what I don't need, that's sharing, not stealing. Actually, the latter is normally against your terms of service so it is theft of service - not from you, but from the cable company. You allowing it to happen makes you just as guilty. Granted, the telcos and cable industry with their lobbyists have managed to persuade congress otherwise, but those laws are unenforceable anyway- is anyone doing time in club fed for theft of service with their home computer? Just because the laws governing the theft of signal are currently difficult to enforce, it doesn't mean it's okay to break these laws. It would seem that as long as you can get away with something, it's okay for you or others to do it. Here is an example of a law being temporarily unenforceable - There is a major riot going on in a large city and people are looting stores/businesses left and right because there are not enough police resources to apprehend them. Laws are still being broken. Theft and vandalism are still are occurring. Just because these people are not being caught and charged does not mean a crime has not been committed. Amber -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished
Re: security re: file sharing/networks
At 8:17 AM -0800 01/14/2006, Amber R. wrote: Of course, I am sure there are hundreds of people who visit friends with wireless connections and just open up their laptops and surf. Is it legal ? again depends on the ISP TOS, but there can be serious consequences. i.e. The person paying for the service would be liable for anything illegal their guest/visitors were caught doing on-line as it all would come back to their IP address. Unless you could prove it was your guests who were responsible, you would be the one going to jail. This was just one concern I had about my neighbour and her brother having access to my network. Very real concerns. You've heard of Spam Vans? Spammers that outfit a vehicle with equipment, then drive around looking for access... Originally, they were going to small ISPs and offering them $5K cash for a cat5 hookup for a day. When the ISPs caught on to the blacklist nightmares that caused, the spammers went wireless and started wardriving... As for 2 unrelated persons sharing an apartment - In most cases, tenants will share the cost of the service and both have legal access to it. As long as this is permitted by the ISP, it's legal. Most ISP's allow this as many families will have multiple computers and want internet access for all of them. To take this a step further... I had a great experience with Comcast a year ago... A friend's son wanted to have his buddies over to play some game over the 'net. A dozen computers, etc. He drafted me to help set up the LAN to handle it. Then the boy started complaining that the Comcast hookup wasn't fast enough for all those people. So we contacted Comcast. Not only were they ok with having that many people connected to thru the one residential service point, but they even doubled the speed caps for the weekend - and only charged him $5 for it. - Dan. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: security re: file sharing/networks
At 10:18 AM -0600 01/14/2006, Dyna wrote: This theft of service bull is nonsense! If I buy a subscription to say, MacWorld, then leave it in the break room at work for my coworkers to read after I've read it, that's sharing, not stealing. If I buy bandwidth from the local telco or cable company and let my neighbors have what I don't need, that's sharing, not stealing. Granted, the telcos and cable industry with their lobbyists have managed to persuade congress otherwise, but those laws are unenforceable anyway- is anyone doing time in club fed for theft of service with their home computer? Sorry, you're off base. Sharing a magazine is a one-way product loan. You get it back, with no resources lost. Sharing an ISP's service uses the ISP's resources. If you are not licensed / authorized to be using the service then it is Theft. People ARE prosecuted for it. An example: Two years ago, we had problems with our Comcast service dropping to below v.90 speeds during the evenings. We complained. Comcast investigated and determined there are more people on the drop than were paying. They hunted the two offenders down and filed theft charges. The people were arrested, arraigned, then cut deals - they paid fines instead of being tried. ...Then they threatened to sue us because we dropped their names at a home-owners association meeting. :) - Dan. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: security re: file sharing/networks
At 10:31 AM -0600 01/14/2006, Howard Katz wrote: Have I done some signal sniffing? Sure, I'll bet we all have, just to see if we could do it. Did I continue to do so? Nope--in fact I tracked down the person who had the open signal in my area and advised them to encrypt their signal. Some of our home-owner association folx patrol the neighborhood on weekend evenings. One of the things they look for is warchalks, so they can notify the home-owner... - Dan. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: security re: file sharing/networks
On Jan 14, 2006, at 12:52 AM, Clem Bacani wrote: Drive around the neighborhood, park your car, open your laptop with broadband wireless adapter and presto you are connected online. Chances are you will have more than one signal within that area. You are not stealing a signal because you are not intruding to someone else's property. Incidentally, the signal is there in the air for you to use. Indeed it is a gray area. Not everywhere. A man in Florida was arrested recently for doing just this. -- Bruce Johnson No matter where you go, there you are, B. Banzai -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: security re: file sharing/networks
On Jan 14, 2006, at 11:25 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 10:18 AM -0600 01/14/2006, Dyna wrote: This theft of service bull is nonsense! If I buy a subscription to say, MacWorld, then leave it in the break room at work for my coworkers to read after I've read it, that's sharing, not stealing. If I buy bandwidth from the local telco or cable company and let my neighbors have what I don't need, that's sharing, not stealing. Mac World is not providing you with a continuous feed of Macworld. You get one magazine a month. When you're reading it, your co-worker, (barring the really annoying shoulder surfer ones) can't read it at the same time and vice versa. It's a discrete product, not a service. Try scanning every MacWorld as they come in and putting them up on your web server...see how soon Ziff-Davis' lawyers come a-calling. Granted, the telcos and cable industry with their lobbyists have managed to persuade congress otherwise, but those laws are unenforceable anyway- is anyone doing time in club fed for theft of service with their home computer? Typically what's carried out is civil or misdemeanor actions: pay restitution, legal costs, perhaps a fine. They only prosecute as a felony in egregious violations. This is the same as someone without cable TV snaking a cable to their neighbors house, installing a splitter, and getting cable TV for free, something the cable companies prosecute for all the time. Or this, you hire a maid to clean your house, then tell them to go clean your neighbors house, too, only you're not going to pay for that, you're already paying a monthly maid service fee. Do you really think they'll do it? These are exactly the same legal issues. -- Bruce Johnson No matter where you go, there you are, B. Banzai -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: security re: file sharing/networks
Some of our home-owner association folx patrol the neighborhood on weekend evenings. One of the things they look for is warchalks, so they can notify the home-owner... Must be nice to live in such an elite neighborhood that you can concern yourself with such crime. In my 'hood you don't wander about after dark unless you're heavily armed. Warchalks- I wish our kids were doing that instead of crack and shooting at each other! I've got plenty of bandwidth though, because I'm about the only person with cable internet access on my block... the local gangbangers are more interested in pirating cable TV. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: MacWorld Expo
Clark, Right on the money. For the rest, take a read of the book Icon. Tons of insight into Steve, Apple and the entire industry. Ron On Friday, January 13, 2006, at 04:42AM, Clark Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 9:16 PM -0500 1/12/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry but I see something completely different. I come into Apple when it was being run by a fizzy water merchant. The company was unfocused and losing marketshare despite having a superior vision. The company had competing divisions which used company politics to play executives off each other for their own advantage. I saw a company heading down the tubes. It got no better until Jobs came back. I don't care if Jobs is rude and abrupt - as I know he is. I don't care if he is eccentric - as I know he is. The company has focus, direction, and is moving forward. Stock that I paid between $13 and $22 for split and is now closing in on $100 a share. The product is reinvigorated and we have a code base on which to grow for quite some time. Just because you don't like his choices doesn't make him wrong or you right. Many of us complain about the lack of distinction in the iMac models but few are going to say it didn't galvanize the market. When you look at Jobs' flops vs his successes, the flops are hard to notice. Without Jobs, Apple starts looking like any other computer company. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- Ron Kent, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
quoting/posting on G-Books list
Dear G-Book list members, Over the past couple of weeks, I have noticed that a few people are quoting massive amounts of unnecessary text in their replies or replying to a thread that already has multiple lines of quoted text, and adding their own. This creates quite a confusing tangle of text and is not all that easy to follow at times. Please also keep in mind that it can be even more difficult and frustrating for members who may have deteriorating vision and/or may be using text readers. I certainly would not want them to be excluded from enjoying the discussions on the list. I am asking that you please quote just the specific text that you are responding to and keep it simple and easy to read for everybody else. Thank you, Amber Robey G-Books list nanny -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: system backups
At 4:13 PM -0800 01/13/2006, Clark Martin wrote: At 3:52 PM -0500 1/13/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 5:05 PM +0100 01/13/2006, Francesco sciacca wrote: In my case, CCC gave several errors claiming not to be able to copy certain files (all belonging to the System folder, if I remember correctly). I tried several times and errors seem to affects random files. I eventually I gave up and created a Disk Image of the boot partition instead, burned it to DVD and I am able to restore at will on any partition using Disk Utility. Run CCC from the admin account, after repairing permissions. Make sure there are no other apps running. Including Classic. I mention it since it isn't apparent when it is running unless a Classic App is running. D'oh! Housemate's backups failed this morning. She be puzzled. Took me 20 minutes to realize Classic was running. Wish I'd remembered your reply sooner! - Dan. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: security re: file sharing/networks
On 14-Jan-06, at 7:57 AM, Tim Collier wrote: Right now, as I sit here typing this, if I click on the Airport icon, I can see 3 other networks in my area. 2 are secured as is mine. The other, it just calls itself 'linksys' is totally open. I have been able to connect to the net with it and get my mail. I wish I knew who this network belonged to, I'd certainly offer to help him/her secure it. Tim Tim, I agree the technology has not caught up. It is unfortunate because it seems to have given people the idea that because there appears to be little enforcement, it is okay for them to sit outside people's homes and steal their signals. Regarding the last part of your note - when I was visiting my dad over Christmas, I obtained permission from his ISP to temporarily use his cable internet connection. However, when I opened my Powerbook to check some websites, the network Linksys popped up instead. I changed to my dad's network immediately. I am not sure who the Linksys network belonged to but had been able to sort it out, I would have gone and advised them and suggested a way to secure it. Amber -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: security re: file sharing/networks
On Jan 14, 2006, at 8:31 AM, Howard Katz wrote: There's a difference between sitting outside a public library that offers free internet (with the permission and understanding of their service provider) and sitting outside someone's home and accessing a wifi signal that wasn't locked down. To say there isn't, or that just because it's there and you can use it, is just rationalization of theft. If the laws change to allow that, fine, but 1) the laws aren't written that way, and 2) with the vested interests that the service providers have in selling service, they probably won't be. Have I done some signal sniffing? Sure, I'll bet we all have, just to see if we could do it. Did I continue to do so? Nope--in fact I tracked down the person who had the open signal in my area and advised them to encrypt their signal. At that point it's their responsibility.l My Airport widget tells me there's 2 WEP signals nearby--at least these folk know how to turn their security settings on. :) Later..Howard -- Is there a difference then between someone who knows how to turn security on and someone who doesn't if they both have open networks? I kind of like the idea of leaving mine unencrypted. I'm a bit of a commy nist at heart. I haven't left it open because I'm too dumb to set a password. And maybe my ISP will come after me some day. But as long as there's a marketplace out there I can drop them. The reality of the marketplace is that no ISP is going to find it worthwhile to chase down it's subscribers who don't encrypt. They want more customers, not fewer. For a prime example of what's really happening take a war drive through a college campus. You'll find more open and encrypted networks than your screen can scroll through. If service providers wanted to hunt down malefactors they could do it easily. So far the only example of a theft of services trial was the result of a guy who noticed that there was a neighbor parked in front of his house all the time and when the home owner asked him to stop he didn't. So the homeowner called the cops. It's a bit like the laws about copyright infringement on music CDs. Is there anyone out there who hasn't burned a music CD for a friend or relative? Like the service thing I much prefer paying for my music and I like having the real thing when it's a bit of art I really enjoy. I even like the idea that I'm sending money to the artist. Allows him to keep making music. But the idea of copy protection for CDs is just laughable. Nobody listens, not the industry and not the consumers. Even been through Camden Yard in London? They actually sell green discs in public and nobody stops them. J -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: security re: file sharing/networks
At 1:01 PM -0800 01/14/2006, John Siple wrote: Is there a difference then between someone who knows how to turn security on and someone who doesn't if they both have open networks? An interesting question! The latter can plead ignorance, to the ISP. The former cannot. Then it's up to the ISP to decide what to do (apply penalty, press charges, etc). I kind of like the idea of leaving mine unencrypted. I'm a bit of a commy nist at heart. I haven't left it open because I'm too dumb to set a password. Me too (when I have a WAP here for testing). But I leave it open for nefarious purposes... When I see someone has connected, I try to reach into their computer. ;) For a prime example of what's really happening take a war drive through a college campus. You'll find more open and encrypted networks than your screen can scroll through. If service providers wanted to hunt down malefactors they could do it easily. I think they have to strike a balance... The cost of the lost bandwidth vs the cost of the hunt vs the payback and bad press nailing your customers generates. It's a bit like the laws about copyright infringement on music CDs. Is there anyone out there who hasn't burned a music CD for a friend or relative? Like the service thing I much prefer paying for my music and I like having the real thing when it's a bit of art I really enjoy. I even like the idea that I'm sending money to the artist. Allows him to keep making music. I agree. But there's a big diff between sharing a copy or two with a friend or relative, and sharing thousands of copies to the world at large. I think the same things applies to ISPs. I doubt they fret over the open WAP where someone shares access periodically to their broke neighbor. It's the ones that facilitate the neighbor's bandwidth-sucking p2p server, or the spammer, or ... - Dan. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
OT: the long arm of the law
So let's quit being paranoid and let some common sense prevail. Here here. The law is a very flexible thing folks. If all the laws were strictly enforced this country would come to a screeching halt. The underground economy alone is huge. None of those folks on craigslist are paying their state sales taxes on items sold. Cars speed. My neighbors make more noise than is legal and throw their McNuggets wrappers on the street. Some of them do anyway. Legal is a joke. Money and power is king. Got money and power and you can use the legal system to get more of both. But as a practical matter all us little people can and do, and will forever be borrowing on the airwaves. The idea of always obeying all the laws seems to me an impossible ideal. I'm not a strict relativist but I do believe that large corporations will always be using the law to squeeze money out of the general population, and the jails and courts will be full of poor people. For the ultimate example of legal absurdity just take our president, who does anything he wants in the name of national security. No warrants necessary. Don't need to tell you all what I'm doing. I'll just sign a bill with a little excuse me paragraph at the end and call my acts legal. Torture's fine. The very idea of Presidential Signing Statements is strictly illegal, against the terms of the Constitution. The executive branch of our government is not empowered to either interpret the laws nor write them. But ithese signing statements are tacked onto bills because there's nobody out there to stop it. If you support him you think it's not illegal. If you oppose him you want to see the law stop what's being done. The law itself just sort of floats on the lumpy shoulders of police and judges and sometimes legislators. Laws are rules made by men for men's purposes. They have less than nothing to do with morality. Our broadband habits are harmless compared to most of what is inflicted on the poor in the name of the law. Ok, Ok I'm sorry. This isn't a forum for anarchy. Yet there are some questions of social contract that peek in on us when we're out there with our portable wireless machines. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: OT: the long arm of the law
John Siple wrote: The law is a very flexible thing folks. If all the laws were strictly enforced this country would come to a screeching halt. The underground economy alone is huge. None of those folks on craigslist are paying their state sales taxes on items sold. Cars speed. My neighbors make more noise than is legal and throw their McNuggets wrappers on the street. Of course, many of us stick to a personal code of conduct and do not justify our actions based on what others might do or not do. Fortunately, most us do not throw wrappers, make noise, speed around, nor fail to pay our taxes. We don't do it to set an example. We simply can't envision doing it any other way. As for Mr. Bush, he and his type will soon be retired. Give them enough rope. Too late for the thousands who have died needlessly under his watch. For me I'll hold myself to a higher standard of conduct until I see the need to break laws for damn good reasons and not because others do it. Chickens do come home to roost as Malcom X once said. Woody -- Woody, Retired in Albuquerque mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 35 Quality Middle School Art Lessons in powerpoint format, on one CD $17 (includes shipping) http://www.taospaint.com/QualityLessons.html Ordering Address: PO Box 91703 Albuquerque, NM87199-1703 “The function of the overwhelming majority of your artwork is simply to teach you how to make the small fraction of your artwork that soars.” from: “Art Fear” Woody's Watercolor Portfolio: http://www.taospaint.com/Portfolio/Watercolors.html Newest Fantastic Triplet Pics: http://www.taospaint.com/Kansas05/Christmas.html My newest watercolors: http://www.taospaint.com/Portfolio/Beach/Watercolors.html -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: system backups
Run CCC from the admin account, after repairing permissions. Make sure there are no other apps running. Dan - Small point, but worth clarifying. Do you mean no other apps running or open? Should one shut down everything when backing up with CCC? I usually don't touch my Mac while it's going through its backup procedure with CCC. Would you confirm that this is the correct way to do backups??? Thanks, bob -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
security re: file sharing/networks
Sharing the connection is not illegal. It will violate the terms of service most likely though if you knowingly let them share it. There is nothing that could get you arrested though. Expand your horizons a bit and consider what would truly be the worst case scenario, IMHO. Someone else piggybacks on your connection and proceeds to download child pornography or joins a chat room trying to set up meetings with children and the folks with whom they are chatting are federal peace officers trolling for such perverts. (Again, IMHO, I am grateful that peace officers are out there trying to ferret out the scum of the earth which is what I consider such felons to be.) I can see you standing there at your door as the agents carry out your entire computer system and everything associated with it as you weakly protest: But...but...but, it wasn't me! Had to be someone else using my connection! Yeah, sure, they're going to believe you. You'll get your system back a year or two down the road when they are done with their case. Not to mention what your neighbors will think of all the cop cars and flashing lights outside your house/apartment. You do not want to be in this situation. Lock that connection as tight as a drum with the strongest password possible. Just good common sense. bob -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: system backups
At 5:53 PM -0500 01/14/2006, bobgir2004 wrote: Run CCC from the admin account, after repairing permissions. Make sure there are no other apps running. Dan - Small point, but worth clarifying. Do you mean no other apps running or open? Running == Open. Should one shut down everything when backing up with CCC? Yes. I usually don't touch my Mac while it's going through its backup procedure with CCC. Good. Would you confirm that this is the correct way to do backups??? Yes. Each application running has the potential of changing the HD and/or locking files so the backup job totally misses them. That's bad. You want the backup to be as complete as possible. - Dan. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Wallsteet I, g4/500meg/mhz osx10.4.4
Yeh! it works with xpf. Now, which application will make a bootable disk image for those other macs that lack the dvd rom. Woooe! -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: security re: file sharing/networks
Personally, I do not bother with WEP, but I keep MAC address filtering on. Brian - When I saw your post, I went to my Linksys BEFSR41 Router, v.3; firmware version 1.05.00 and checked under the Security tab. I found the following choices and their settings: Block Anonymous Internet Requests: Enabled. Filter Multicast: Disabled. Filter Internet NAT Redirection: Disabled. Are these properly set? Thanks, bob -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: security re: file sharing/networks
Drive around the neighborhood, park your car, open your laptop with broadband wireless adapter and presto you are connected online. Chances are you will have more than one signal within that area. You are not stealing a signal because you are not intruding to someone else's property. Incidentally, the signal is there in the air for you to use. Indeed it is a gray area. I did this once when I was making several deliveries in several neighborhoods. Airport _always_ found some network or other wide open. I just loaded a web page from Apple to see if it worked and it always did. I was stunned! bob -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: system backups/copies
Is there a way to back up or copy using CCC on my network? -- Thanks, Paul pjspop @ bresnan.net -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: OT: the long arm of the law
Yep. Thanks. On Jan 14, 2006, at 1:41 PM, John Siple wrote: So let's quit being paranoid and let some common sense prevail. Here here. The law is a very flexible thing folks. If all the laws were strictly enforced this country would come to a screeching halt. The underground economy alone is huge. None of those folks on craigslist are paying their state sales taxes on items sold. Cars speed. My neighbors make more noise than is legal and throw their McNuggets wrappers on the street. Some of them do anyway. Legal is a joke. Money and power is king. Got money and power and you can use the legal system to get more of both. But as a practical matter all us little people can and do, and will forever be borrowing on the airwaves. The idea of always obeying all the laws seems to me an impossible ideal. I'm not a strict relativist but I do believe that large corporations will always be using the law to squeeze money out of the general population, and the jails and courts will be full of poor people. For the ultimate example of legal absurdity just take our president, who does anything he wants in the name of national security. No warrants necessary. Don't need to tell you all what I'm doing. I'll just sign a bill with a little excuse me paragraph at the end and call my acts legal. Torture's fine. The very idea of Presidential Signing Statements is strictly illegal, against the terms of the Constitution. The executive branch of our government is not empowered to either interpret the laws nor write them. But ithese signing statements are tacked onto bills because there's nobody out there to stop it. If you support him you think it's not illegal. If you oppose him you want to see the law stop what's being done. The law itself just sort of floats on the lumpy shoulders of police and judges and sometimes legislators. Laws are rules made by men for men's purposes. They have less than nothing to do with morality. Our broadband habits are harmless compared to most of what is inflicted on the poor in the name of the law. Ok, Ok I'm sorry. This isn't a forum for anarchy. Yet there are some questions of social contract that peek in on us when we're out there with our portable wireless machines. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- Peter Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://disturbingthecomfortable.blogspot.com/ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: OT: the long arm of the law
Hello again G-Book list members, Please be aware that as a List Nanny, I attempt to maintain a relatively low profile in general. I am pleased to say that I participate in this list far more frequently in the capacity as a list member than I ever have as a list nanny. However, there are times when list nannies have to step in and intervene I feel this is one of them. I have seen other lists deteriorate with astonishing speed, into considerable mayhem, when seemingly innocuous or even general political comments were made and went unchecked. I do not want to see that happen to the G-Books and I am sure you don't either. Therefore, this is a general request to all list members to refrain from continuing this thread in a political vein. I respect that you all have political viewpoints but the G-Books list is simply not an appropriate place to discuss them. If you wish to discuss this with me any further, please contact me OFF-LIST and I will be happy to address any concerns or questions you may have. Thank you, Amber Robey G-Books List Nanny -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: security re: file sharing/networks
I think the same things applies to ISPs. I doubt they fret over the open WAP where someone shares access periodically to their broke neighbor. It's the ones that facilitate the neighbor's bandwidth-sucking p2p server, or the spammer, or ... - Dan. Hello Dan, I agree - My ISP didn't seem too alarmed at all when I discussed the fact that my neighbour was attempting to get onto my connection. However, he was very quick to warn that were I to allow this to happen that I could be held responsible for everything she or her network analyst brother did on-line. Should he be the type to download thousands of child porn files or engage an undercover officer in a chat about sex with a minor, I would be the one explaining myself when the police came to the door with a search warrant and seized all my stuff - just as Bob suggested. I could face charges and at least temporary seizure of my computers and all my hard drives - not to mention the possibility of being arrested and taken to the police station. No thank you !! My neighbour was back at my door this AM asking again (third time this past week) for access and the WEP password. She was extremely ticked off when I informed that I was still not interested or comfortable with giving her access, then said her brother was going to be coming by to deal with me later. So, I have taken the router off-line for now and am just staying wired directly to the cable modem until this situation settles down a little. Amber -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: security re: file sharing/networks
Amber, Sounds like you should return the favor with a visit to your neighbor (along with a member of the local law enforcement community) to explain your position and let her try out her implied strong arm tactic (regarding her brother dealing with you) on your new found friend. I would not put up with crap like that, and would make it clear that she and her brother understood that. Plus, it gives you a documented record in case he does hack into your network illegally. Shawn On Jan 14, 2006, at 7:14 PM, Amber R. wrote: My neighbour was back at my door this AM asking again (third time this past week) for access and the WEP password. She was extremely ticked off when I informed that I was still not interested or comfortable with giving her access, then said her brother was going to be coming by to deal with me later. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: security re: file sharing/networks
At 4:14 PM -0800 01/14/2006, Amber R. wrote: My neighbour was back at my door this AM asking again (third time this past week) for access and the WEP password. She was extremely ticked off when I informed that I was still not interested or comfortable with giving her access, That is one persistant neighbor! then said her brother was going to be coming by to deal with me later. Deal with you? I really don't like this. Sounds to me like there needs to be a cop sitting in your kitchen drinking coffee when he gets there. Please, be careful. - Dan. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: security re: file sharing/networks
Arguing this issue is a waste of bandwith, minds will not be changed. 700MHz iBook G3 640MB Ram OS 10.3.9 Laugha while you can monkeyboy. Dr. Lizardo(Bukaroo Bonzai) -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: security re: file sharing/networks
On Jan 14, 2006, at 8:18 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: then said her brother was going to be coming by to deal with me later. Deal with you? I really don't like this. Sounds to me like there needs to be a cop sitting in your kitchen drinking coffee when he gets there. Please, be careful. Yah. At this point it is becoming harrasment. I'd call the cops or have someone you know that happens to be a rather large guy be there. They seem to be a little to interested in getting you to say yes now. It's rather strange. --Larry -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: security re: file sharing/networks
Hi, Listers! After reading all those theft of service dire warnings, unenforsable (sp.?) in my view, and considering that I live in Mexico, just across the border from Texas, I went to see the top engineer in my Cable Company Internet Division. The official line: I can have 5 computers connected via the Ethernet ports, and up to 24 via Wireless. So to me closing or opening my Wi-Fi transmiter (sp?.) is a moot point. After 2 years of having it open, I decided to close it (only registered Wi-Fi cards can have access) because I began to worry if someone could be using it to do some nefarious thing, so now, sadly, my network is closed. I liked the idea of givinf free access to anyone living in the range of my signal, or parking near my apartment. I even met some very nice medicine students that way. 2 of them have their cards registered, and can come anytime near my apartment to check their mail or work on their projects. I do miss those simpler times when I knew almost all the people in my city that had an Internet connection. Best regards from Reynosa, Tamaulipas, Mexico! Hugo Diaz -- The only thing we knew for sure about Henry Porter is that his name wasn't Henry Porter Bob Dylan, Brownsville Girl -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: security re: file sharing/networks
On Jan 14, 2006, at 6:21 PM, bobgir2004 wrote: Personally, I do not bother with WEP, but I keep MAC address filtering on. Brian - When I saw your post, I went to my Linksys BEFSR41 Router, v.3; firmware version 1.05.00 and checked under the Security tab. I found the following choices and their settings: Block Anonymous Internet Requests: Enabled. Filter Multicast: Disabled. Filter Internet NAT Redirection: Disabled. Are these properly set? Thanks, bob Well they are set properly, but they have little to do with security- or at least, limiting access related to sharing of a wireless connection. These setting help filter incoming requests/attacks as well as deal with some internal redirection things that don't really matter unless you are running an internal gaming server. You need to look under wireless/security and turn on MAC address filtering and WEP to control these things on a wireless router. Except, my old BEFSR41 wasn't a wireless router :) so the discussions about MAC filtering and WEP, don't really apply to this router or you! If you aren't running any servers in your house, you can check the port forwarding tab and make sure nothing is getting forwarded into your LAN, and a BIG thing, is to make sure you set the admin password on the router to something only you know, and turn off remote administration- some Linksys firmwares were easily hacked and people could get admin rights remotely if you had remote administration enabled. Setting a password, turning off remote admin, and making sure you check for firmware updates once in a while (you are current at the moment for a v3 BEFSR41) are the important things for your setup, as I see it. Hope that helps! Brian -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: security re: file sharing/networks
I have a D-Link wireless router - there are options to change from the WEP 128 bit encryption to WPA personal.Would doing this create enough of a wall for most people trying to hack in ? While I have been trying not to use the wireless router (given the situation with my neighbour that I mentioned earlier today), I really need to have access to it here and there as I have a lot of work to get done and cannot easily do it at my computer desk. I was thinking I could perhaps create another network name and WPA and perhaps stay hidden from her brother. Amber -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Help [Was: security re: file sharing/networks]
Coincidentally enough, as this thread was developing I found a neighbouring linksys signal appear in my 'available networks'. Okay - time to recognize I am not alone out here. Time for WPA! After some research, downloading and upgrading I got my system secure. Then I tried to add my printer. An HP 5850. It does 802.11 fine. And the manual and browser-based set-up process all indicates that it supports WPA. Except that after all the confirmations are made, it can't join the network. Everything has worked when unprotected. Does anyone out there have experience with this one? OS 10.3.9 Airport card (w/Airport update, which *does* allow it to use WPA!) Belkin 54g Gateway/Router Thanks -- Non Illegitimi Carborundum -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: security re: file sharing/networks
Is there anyone out there who hasn't burned a music CD for a friend or relative? YES Of course, many of us stick to a personal code of conduct and do not justify our actions based on what others might do or not do. Fortunately, most us do not throw wrappers, make noise, speed around, nor fail to pay our taxes. We don't do it to set an example. We simply can't envision doing it any other way. Couldn't have said it better. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: OT: the long arm of the law
Thanks. It is filling up my in-box at alarming speed. Ron On Sunday, January 15, 2006, at 00:40AM, Amber R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello again G-Book list members, Please be aware that as a List Nanny, I attempt to maintain a relatively low profile in general. I am pleased to say that I participate in this list far more frequently in the capacity as a list member than I ever have as a list nanny. However, there are times when list nannies have to step in and intervene I feel this is one of them. I have seen other lists deteriorate with astonishing speed, into considerable mayhem, when seemingly innocuous or even general political comments were made and went unchecked. I do not want to see that happen to the G-Books and I am sure you don't either. Therefore, this is a general request to all list members to refrain from continuing this thread in a political vein. I respect that you all have political viewpoints but the G-Books list is simply not an appropriate place to discuss them. If you wish to discuss this with me any further, please contact me OFF-LIST and I will be happy to address any concerns or questions you may have. Thank you, Amber Robey G-Books List Nanny -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- Ron Kent, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---