Re: Eudora replacement
At 5:51 -0800 1/19/14, Jay Koutavas wrote: Now that MailForge is dead, I've been pondering... How many people would be interested in a faithful reproduction of Mac Eudora 6.2? 10? 100?, 1000? Probably 100, by the likes of the FB page. I use Mac Eudora v6.2 every day, since the mid 90s. I'm a pro software developer. I have built stuff of this complexity a number of times over, including a Mac email client a lng time ago for Digital Equipment Corporation. It's not easy to build a replacement. It would take EASILY over a year for me to do it. If I did do it, I'd stick to keeping the same workflow and features, and simply just Freshen-up the look and feel (but not change it like MailForge did). Thoughts, comments? Collaborators? -- I'd do this project open source, because I love Eudora mail and want it to live on indefinitely. 1) You need to become acquainted with : Reply-To: Eudora for the Mac eudora-...@hades.listmoms.net List-ID: Eudora for the Mac eudora-mac.cartel.listmoms.net 2) There are two different problems with Eudora. Email has changed and Apple wants iOS and OS-neXt to be written in X-code and objective C. The whole concept of email has changed and Eudora won't be Eudora anymore if it is rewritten to handle IMAP and HTML the way other mail clients do. Rewriting Eudora to compile in a newer Macintosh environment may be nearly impossible. It would be easier if the source code were available but it's not because of some patent issues with the search find parts of the code. Qualcomm says it can't release that because of a previous purchase agreement. 3) I'm using Eudora 5 on this OS 9.1 Mac 8500 and I find it very useful in the modern mail system. HTTP and IMAP just don't work. By refusing to read HTML and refusing to use a host that demands IMAP I find my spam problems a whole lot easier. Folks who want to talk soon get the idea. 4) What I'd really like to see is a version of Eudora that works in Linux with open source code. I might have some time to help with that. Most of the things I want could be done with perl which would be somewhat platform independent. -- -- From the U S of A, the only socialist country that refuses to admit it. -- -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: What Mac to buy - and from where?
At 15:33 -0700 10/5/13, Don Wakefield wrote: OK, so I have finally accepted that my eMac has outlived it's usefulness and needs to be retired. My question is what to replace it with? Cost is a big consideration, so I am probably limited to a core 2 duo iMac or Mac Mini. Unfortunately my entire Adobe collection of software will still be expecting a PPC to drive it, so I understand I will need an Intel machine which has access to Rosetta (even if that access is via a virtual instance of a previous OS somewhere on the hard drive.) Additionally, many of my peripherals are FireWire 400 (which I understand could also present some difficulties.) What machines and which era of OS Cat, will provide me as smooth and cost effective as possible transition into the more modern OS world, while still allowing the vintage applications to limp along for a while until they can be upgraded. My personal solution has been to continue with OS 10.3.9 on my G4. At that level I can easily talk to my SE/30 server running OS 7.5 and this 8500 running OS 9.1. But my rather expensive CAD software continues to work on the G4. Safari fails miserably and Firefox won't run a current version. For new stuff I use a cheap Intel box from HP and run ubuntu Linux. It talks to everything, including the internet, just fine. Replacement software is cheap indeed -- $0.0. It's quite OK to write your own code there and, with csh it's very much like MPW of old. There's no such thing as a sandbox. The lady of the house buys a new Mac or iPad once a year. I can no longer talk to her computer or even to the Apple cloud which just shields out the sunlight. Well, I probably could with an account in my name but then I'd have to train my fingers to navigate a touch pad. You could find an Apple iPhone and ask Siri. -- 1801 - Joseph Marie Jacquard uses punch cards to instruct a loom to weave hello, world into a tapestry. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Root, Admin and User
At 18:21 -0400 5/3/13, Anne Keller-Smith wrote: Okay, I have an iMac running Snow Leopard, and way back in the stone age (2009) after I turned it on I set up an account with a username and password, then forgot about it except when installing software, where it asked for my username and password. Ditto with my son's machine, very close model (2008) which I recently bequeathed to my parents after said kid wanted to build a Windows PC to play games (!) We wiped the drive, did a fresh install of Snow Leopard, and I gave parents their own username and password, but is this an Admin account? Is this wrong? Should they be using a plain User account and should I be giving them a new username password for that? (Don't want to confuse the old birds) Should I be doing the same on my machine as well? I'm looking now and I'm logged in a Administrator, I think I've been logged in this way since 2008. Guess I thought Root and Administrator were the same thing (not at all!) and on Googling, find out really we have three layers of user types. Also I see Apple suggests disabling Root and not using an Admin account for daily work, instead creating a plain User for that. Ow! My head hurts. Is that what you all do? Have three different sets of Usernames/Passwords for three levels? On any of our machines there's only one user, so I guess we've been running them in Admin all this time. I'm afraid to disable Root, and have no clue if I assigned it a Username/Password, I thought I did but maybe that is Admin ... The lady and I have admin accounts on all machines. Root is not disabled Everything has worked fine for years. But we are both computer users since well before the Apple Macintosh showed its head. And. . . there are no children or grandparents in the immediate vicinity. Teenagers can and will use root and admin if they can and you won't like what they do. Grandparents can try things thinking that they know what they're doing and mess things up. So can cats. So can visitors if you leave your machine up and running while you're logged in as administrator. Root and admin are more similar than you think. Root is needed only if you use Terminal.app or boot up in single user mode. If you don't then take Apple's advice. Distant bad guys over the internet who try to get root are no longer something to worry about. A non-admin account for daily tasks prevents you from making silly typographic mistakes. Probably a good idea especially if you're writing code or Applescripts. You'll need to use the admin for installing software. Visitor or guest accounts with no special privileges make sense if others want to show you something once in a while. You can use groups to provide access to selected files. Write down those passwords and keep them with your guns and ammunition. -- -- From the U S of A, the only socialist country that refuses to admit it. -- -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Web sites suddenly blocked
At 09:43 -0700 4/30/13, gifutiger wrote: DNS stands for Directory Name Server and has nothing to do with your router. OPEN is just the name of a server, and there are lots of DNS units throughout the world. Just to avoid confusion. In this context DNS is Domain Name Server and is very much associated with your router whenever you use the internet or even access local machines via an IP address like 192.168.xxx.xxx -- -- The best programming tool is a soldering iron -- -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Web sites suddenly blocked
We use a router provided by our service provider which used to be Qwest but is now Century Communications. The modem that talks to the telephone pair with radio frequency above the voice band also acts as a domain name server. Other machines which usually have cute names that we assign have the choice of DHCP, dynamic host control, or assigning permanent IP addresses that all start with 192.168. DHCP assigns an IP address when it's necessary. Routers like that can also use unique MAC addresses on ethernet ports to handle connections by visitors who are temporarily present. The modem/router also maintains data for recently used domain names and can short circuit a request based on time-to-live information provided with a previous lookup. (It is a way to discover where your kids have been last night.) Connecting to a local machine needs only its name. The modem/router handles the rest and we talk to each other using the same procedures we would use to talk over the internet. It's also quite possible to set up an Apple machine so that it provides the same services. OS neXt can use Berkley's BIND package but I have even done it with an SE/30. The lady here has been pushing a tiny box from Apple that acts as a router using the WiFi channels. It seems to work well at our local, SMMUG, user group meetings. Hosts files also work but they're not the same everywhere. I think of that as the way DEC did it in the 70's. It does allow me to connect to external sites with my own invented name as in ssh pair to log into my ISP. RFC 1918 declares 192.168.x.x, 10.x.x.x, and 172.16.x.x foe use only in local domain name assignments. I am happy to see someone else paying attention to RFCs. They are requests for comments that are maintained by the internet engineering task force, tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1918. It's worth a look. And look around for some others to see just how the internet works. You might also try the UNIX tool dig. man dig in Terminal.app for more. Another thing that routers do at home is to modify internet packets using different port numbers so that many machines in a local net can use only the outside IP address to access the net.. The router looks at returned packets to see the port number that was used for the request. It then knows which local machine is waiting for the reply. At 16:00 -0500 4/30/13, Jerry wrote: Doug, I am not sure I am following you here on the on the RFC 1918 address space issue. Unless a person has set up an internal DNS server resolving private address space, a person would either typically specify the private address directly, or would use a hosts file for internal usage. Can you elaborate further please? On 04/30/13 03:31 PM, Doug McNutt wrote: Just to avoid confusion. In this context DNS is Domain Name Server and is very much associated with your router whenever you use the internet or even access local machines via an IP address like 192.168.xxx.xxx -- -- A fair tax is one that you pay but I don't -- -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: New Forums
At 19:58 -0400 3/13/13, W.Adrian D'Alessio wrote: Are you still getting your group's mail ? On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 7:12 PM, Cameron Kaiser mailto:spec...@floodgap.comspec...@floodgap.com wrote: Are these Wordpress forums email lists, or accessible only via web browser? I have to say that I am unlikely to go to a web only forum very often, I like the old school mailing list way of doing things. I have to say I agree. Mailing lists are convenient in a variety of ways that web fora are not. A real problem is that some of the menu items don't display well in Classilla Wordpress doesn't seem to like my choice of password and it seems to want my email address. My ability to trust Wordpress for anything went away long ago. Our Mac user group, SMMUG, is now using it to handle its website and it sends out nothing but HTML email that takes nearly a megabyte for the smallest message. Simple forums for simple old OS9 amd Eudora perhaps. Otherwise you'll lose me if I have to go over to my Linux box just to read about low end Macs. -- 1801 - Joseph Marie Jacquard uses punch cards to instruct a loom to weave hello, world into a tapestry. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Video flicker
At 17:16 -0500 1/19/13, W.Adrian D'Alessio wrote: A Viewsonic here has problems with an external power supply. It works well when a replacement is plugged in. In the good old days of cathode ray tubes rolling bands were almost always due to an interference. the AC power's 60 Hz, with harmonics, and the 15 or so kHz horizontal would get harmonically linked to create the bands. They moved because the frequencies were nearly , but not exactly, the same. That's not precisely your problem with modern digital monitors but you did alter the load on the power supply when you installed the new disk. If the supply is now overloaded or is exercising its capacitors a little harder now it's possible that the result could be some rolling interference. Can you turn off the new disk while still having something to look at? Or is it a replacement in a single disk box? -- -- From the U S of A, the only socialist country that refuses to admit it. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MacDraw like application?
At 14:14 -0700 10/19/12, Clark Martin wrote: On Oct 19, 2012, at 12:16 PM, John Callahan wrote: A long time ago in an another century, in another millennium I had a MacDraw application that was just great for relatively simple drawings. I used it for house drawings, working drawings and so on. Unfortunately current drawing programs have been improved so much that they are practically impossible to use, or too much work to use for simple things such as working structure and details drawings. I don't care about 3D projections etc, just elevation and plan views. MacDraw was perfect for that. Does anyone know of a MacDraw like program that will work on my iMac Intel? Intaglio, http://www.purgatorydesign.com I use it extensively and like it a lot. You can download the app from the above website and try it out (it's crippled until you pay for a license, $89). I don't know if it imports MacDraw but it does import ClarisDraw and AppleWorks Draw. Vectorworks is my choice but it ain't cheap. I first used it when it was named MiniCAD and it worked very much like MacDraw and was vastly superior to ClarisDraw or MacDraw II. Since then it has been overtaken by the architects and it's 3D capabilities are really good. Version 12, NOT 2012, runs on my G4 and there ave versions for the newest Macs. An older version might be affordable if it can be found. -- -- From the U S of A, the only socialist country that refuses to admit it. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Eudora replacement
At 08:23 +0200 7/22/12, ben...@gmail.com wrote: We have set up a Facebook page to discuss and to see how many of us are still looking for a true Eudora replacement: Http://www.facebook.com/WeWantEudoraHttp://www.facebook.com/WeWantEudora Get thee over to: List-ID: Eudora for the Mac eudora-mac.cartel.listmoms.net SUBSCRIBING: mailto:join-eudora-...@hades.listmoms.net?Subject=Gazelle RETRIEVING THE CURRENT VERSION OF THIS (HELP) DOCUMENT: mailto:eudora-mac-welc...@hades.listmoms.net?Subject=Gazelle 2. POSTING TO THE LIST You must be a subscriber to post messages. To post a message to the list, send an e-mail message to the following address: mailto:eudora-...@hades.listmoms.net -- -- A fair tax is one that you pay but I don't -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Problem .pdf
At 01:03 -0700 7/8/12, John Carmonne wrote: On Friday I received an order form from a vendor to complete and electronically sign, so I filled out the form, created a secure signature in Acrobat Pro 9 and applied it to the document. However when I email the PDF it arrives as a blank form just as I received it from the vendor. If I open it on the desktop it's complete with the signature. Someone know what I'm doing wrong? I'm using a G5 PM with 10.5.8 and Adobe Acrobat Pro 9. It used to be that Acrobat (5 in my case), when you changed something like filling out a form or adding a signature, would demand that you save as with a new or modified name in a way that would preserve the original. It might also depend on the permissions in the original. Check around and see if your modified file is around somewhere and you're now looking at the carefully saved original. -- -- A fair tax is one that you pay but I don't -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Questions About New Spam Concerns
At 00:26 -0400 6/22/12, Dan wrote: At 4:12 PM -0700 6/21/2012, glen wrote: I get my share of spam -- most of it goes into the spam folder where it belongs. Which spam folder - the one in your local mail client or the one on Yahoo's service? If the former then your Yahoo service isn't doing its job. During the past months I found a few spams disguised with the name and email address of former business clients and today the name and email address of a close friend in my inbox. [snip] are any of my Mac's responsible for this? Doubtful. While there are a few trojans around that will harvest address books and such, they're rather rare. And your anti-virus would have caught them. Or, are spammers hacking into my friend and clients email devices to cause this disturbing disruption? More likely, especially if they're using Android or Windows. Or what else could be causing this? Is it something I should be concerned with? Most likely - you or your friend's email account on the mail service (Yahoo in your case) was broken into and harvested. Services such as Yahoo's are under attack 24/7. Change your passwords. OTGH, it's possible your conclusions as to the origins of the emails are incorrect. Them spammers is getting awfully good at forging things these days. Can't tell without seeing 'em tho, including complete headers. HTH, - Dan. Dan's comment on needing full headers is important. You can look at the headers yourself. Email clients regularly suppress headers that they think are not important but, though the button may be hidden pretty well, they can all be asked to show you the whole thing. My email host adds headers that are derived from SpamAssassin, software used by them on all mail, which can often have something to say about irregularities in the message. But headers can also be faked. The ones fully trustworthy are added last while the message is enroute. The last Received: header is most likely correct. The From: header is generated entirely by the sender and can easily be a lie. It is also possible that your friends' machines have been infected with malware that turns them into a robot which regularly calls a bad machine on the net and receives messages that it will copy out to perhaps hundreds of recipients. That is best fixed by removing the bad stuff from your friend's machine which, as Dan says, is unlikely to be a Mac or other UNIX-based machine. Try looking at the full headers in suspected messages. They're pretty much readable text. You might even discover something in common that you can use as a filter. But then you might discover that Yahoo itself deliberately makes that difficult. They do have some strange ideas that have bothered me. Reading mail over an HTTP link with a browser does limit your options. List-ID: Spam-Tools Discussion List spam-tools.cartel.listmoms.net To: Spam-Tools Discussion List spam-to...@hades.listmoms.net is a mailing list that has not been too active recently. It's a bit geeky but has taught me a lot. I don't know if they have an archive. Last message was from Jim Carr about a new antispam scheme introduced by Yahoo on June 6 2012. quoting from that: At 02:09 -0700 6/7/12, Jim Carr wrote: The second technology, SPF, or Sender Policy Framework, allows email senders to indicate which hosts are authorized to send their email, allowing receiving organizations to discard messages coming from spoofed from addresses. -- -- From the U S of A, the only socialist country that refuses to admit it. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OS9.1 Updater
At 14:20 -0700 6/21/12, Alex Sciortino wrote: That is what I thought so I redownloaded and it still didn't work. The self extracting compressed files using the stuffit model - were they .smi? or something else very close? - put the data in the data fork and the application that would unpack the data in the resource fork. Classic operating systems once used the resource fork for all applications but powermac's changed that. A missing resource fork, which would be easy to arrange in a download operation these days, could well generate an end of file error that really means I asked for the resource fork and there was nothing in it. -- -- The U. S. Census Bureau missed a bet by not counting all of those embryos in cold storage. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MAC Instead of Computer Name in Router Device List?
At 11:42 -0700 5/25/12, Bruce Johnson wrote, and I snipped: They did support it, for 4 versions of OS X...you just have the one where they dropped support. I run OS 10.3.9 on my G4. 10.4 was installed and I was shocked when it absolutely would not talk to my SE/30 file server. No warning provided. Getting back to OS 10.3 was painful. 10.4 did support Ethertalk for use with printers. The necessary code was there but Apple deliberately disabled it for computer to computer use. Open Door software is available for OS 7 and I thought about it but one needs to put it on every machine and the cost was prohibitive. Apple purchased rights to Open Door's stuff with OS 8.6 or so. OS 9 has it installed by default. Manually assigning local 192.168.*.* addresses to your machines makes the missing names tolerable. Host files still work for assigning names but you have to manage them manually. I actually run BIND, a domain name server, on a Linux box with db files for the local machines but you probably don't want to go there. Your modem that connects you to the internet via cable or telephone lines may allow you to enter machine names for local IP addresses. An option is netpresenz from Stairways. It will allow things like OS 7 SE/30's to become ftp servers with provisions for Apple style resource forks. Your OS 10 box will be able to connect for receive only using Finder's GO menu. To pass files to the classic machine you can use something like curl from terminal or a third party ftp client that is GUI based. -- --A flashlight: is a metal tube used to store dead dry cells. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 35 pass erase
At 15:49 -0700 5/15/12, Bruce Johnson wrote: Gotta love Wikipedia! I clicked on the 'srm' link in the above article to find this helpful suggestion: The US government recommends complete physical destruction of hard disk data surfaces to guarantee secure data erasure. Presumably, this can be accomplished by abrasion, or by a small amount of thermite ignited over a large, well-ventilated pot containing sand. As a physicist working for the US Navy at a time well before the IBM peecee appeared, let alone Windows, we wanted to use the computers on Minuteman missiles that were being decommissioned. The idea was that everyone in the laboratory could have a machine on his desk as opposed to using a dumb terminal or flexowriter attached with an RS 232 pair to the big machine. Plenty of talent was available to handle the software. What a great idea that was not to happen. It appeared that the very special disks, that were needed for any kind of operation, once had targeting information on them that nobody knew how to erase with certitude. They got crushed along with the computers. -- 1801 - Joseph Marie Jacquard uses punch cards to instruct a loom to weave hello, world into a tapestry. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: mail
At 16:51 -0700 5/10/12, Bruce Johnson wrote: On May 10, 2012, at 4:10 PM, Baldassare Guzzo wrote: PM G4 933 and Mail 3.6. Is there any way that Mail will not select the next message after deleting a message? In other words, if you open Mail then select a message and delete it, Mail automatically goes to the next message (and it is now read). Can I stop it from selecting the next message? I don't think I've EVER seen a mail client that didn't do this...and no I don't think there's a way around it. At 17:05 -0700 5/10/12, Jim Scott wrote: This is a neat way to avoid inadvertently letting a spammer know their message has been sent to a live e-mail address since most spam reports back to the sender as soon as an e-mail is opened. I use it all the time to delete suspected spam as well as e-mails Mail marks as Junk. Those are two good reasons for running Eudora even though it's not supported any more. The idea that all mail should be IMAPped HTML and opened with all of the links automatically read is just silly. The advertisers and spammers are the only folks who gain anything from it. -- -- Don't anthropomorphize computers. They hate that! -- source unknown -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Need 2 things via PB G4 and OS Lion directory help
At 09:27 -0700 3/11/12, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Mar 11, 2012, at 4:31 AM, Dana Collins wrote: Hi David. Thank you for the response. Since copying is a Finder operation, this would translate into a force Finder to quit -wich was what was hoping to avoid. Actually I was wondering if there was any way to simply get the Mac to obey what it's told to do when you use the intended operation (stop copying). Yes, force finder to quit. The solution is to copy in chunks until you run into the problem file. There's no other way about it. You might be able to minimize the chunk operation with a binary search. Copy the bottom half of the files. If that fails copy the top half then try half of the original bottom half. If it works copy half of the top half. Continue with smaller and smaller halves until there's only one file left. If you have a bunch of bad files it won't works so well, sorry. -- -- From the U S of A, the only socialist country that refuses to admit it. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Overclocked MDD
At 20:00 -0800 3/7/12, Wayne Stewart wrote: According to iStat pro I'm running 2 degrees Celsius hotter at idle with both processors running. Using CHUD tools to turn on nap dropps my idle temp about 20 degrees C. At 1.5ghz there wasn't any problems. 1.58 is new to me so I'll be keeping an eye on the temp. If I get worried I'll see about adding an extra fan. One thing I may do anyways is pull the plastic grill off the back of the G4. It covers up a lot of the rear air holes. On Mar 7, 10:38 am, Jesse St.John jesselorenstj...@gmail.com wrote: how are you effectively cooling these as my mdd runs relatively hot already? and i would lke to do this but i am a chicken and i dont want to ruin a good thing. i witnessed online a gentlemen who showed me the resistors on the cpu chip itself to adjust, but decided not to do it until i had one myslef to try out. Something about overclocking and temperature that is a bit difficult to find information on: Faster processors typically use a phase locked loop internally to multiply the applied clock frequency by a small integer - less than 100. I donno about G3 and G4 but anything running over a GHz internal is that way. It's just too hard to deliver a GHz clock to a pin on the circuit board. They also contain internal temperature sensors that can have microcode access that allows for changing the multiplying integer. When the chip gets too hot it can be automatically slowed down without telling you about it. The external clock, the one you're mucking with using changed components need not change at all. When you ask software a question like what is my frequency? you really need to find a standard clock somewhere that can be used for comparison. Options are things like GPS, WWV, a rubidium standard you purchase for more than you paid for the computer. Otherwise the computer will assume the comparison is to be made from what it thinks is its clock frequency. Time of day from the NNTP time transport protocol is not likely to be good enough. -- --A flashlight: is a metal tube used to store dead dry cells. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Don't Landfill old Mac's
At 08:23 -0800 1/9/12, Joshua Juran wrote, and I snipped:: Those seeking an alternative OS for PPC Macs I would refer to Debian GNU/Linux. http://www.debian.org/ An eccentric few[1] might enjoy using MacRelix on Mac OS 9 or earlier. It's developed by me and distributed under the GNU GPL version 3 or later. http://www.metamage.com/code/MacRelix/ Josh [1] You're enough of a hacker that you're already using an actual Unix system, but you're also still using Mac OS 9 for some reason. I guess I qualify having started with UNIX on a machine with 1/2 inch tapes and 16 bit words. The Ubuntu box is on a desk to my left. This comes to you from an 8500 running 9.1. It has no problems with Eudora 5.1 which beats any UNIX mail program I have ever seen. The application uses a resource fork for its preferences and message directories. It will never be ported to Lion. I also really like those resource forks, an Apple invention that Apple itself is killing off. The UNIX version comes from NexT Inc. I see it as the source of the X in OS neXt while claiming it means ten. The left screen shows an MPW window which is essentially a combined text editor and a c-shell for OS 9. Now free from Apple. I can edit lines of text which are really shell commands for OS 9. Starting up Eudora is a matter of selecting this line: open -f Callisto:Applications:Communication:Eudora 5.1:Eudora Poke the ENTER key and everything happens. Forget about Finder. I can also use compilers and assemblers when I feel like it. More complicated scripts are simple text files that I can execute just by selecting the file name and poking ENTER. I shall have a look at MacRelix. -- 1801 - Joseph Marie Jacquard uses punch cards to instruct a loom to weave hello, world into a tapestry. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
iPad, G4, and Lion
At a user group meeting last week a question was asked that nobody could answer. The user was not, shall we say, knowledgeable about version and model numbers and the like but it went like this: Highly interpreted sort of a quote begins. I hooked my iPod to my new iMac running Lion as delivered. Some things may have happened that were associated somehow with an automatic software update. But after that I was severely unhappy with the performance of the old iPod on the new Mac. I gave up and decided to just use the iPod on my G4 and I don't know if that's using OS 9 or OS 10.x. The iPod wouldn't work at all! Did using the iPod on Lion ruin it so that it can never be returned to its original mode of service? We didn't have a decent answer at the meeting. Some talked about resetting the iPod by allowing its battery to completely discharge. Everyone thought there must be a way to reset to factory firmware but nobody could come up with a method. She went home thinking the iPod was just dead and the only solution was to discard it and find something else. Her collection of tunes was on the G4. I remain depressed. I donno about her. Has anyone here experienced anything similar? -- 1801 - Joseph Marie Jacquard uses punch cards to instruct a loom to weave hello, world into a tapestry. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Happy New Year!
At 11:56 -0500 1/1/12, Michael Koch wrote: Happy New Tear to you too Your TAX 's for 2011 are now due; please pay by APRIL 15 2012 And you will get the final rules for calculating it later in 2012 as I did in June of 2011 for tax year 2010. Plan to file for the automatic extension until Oct 15 2012. And be sure your final estimate is paid by Jan 15 2012. If you don't overpay you'll get fined for not guessing correctly about the final rules. Crying about it won't help and Uncle Sam won't pay interest on a deliberate overpayment. And find a G3-5 that works so you can do the arithmetic required. At least the software won't change that much during the new year. -- -- From the U S of A, the only socialist country that refuses to admit it. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Getting really sick of access privileges
At 18:29 -0800 11/25/11, Tom wrote: For example, I just pulled a TIFF image from Computer A to Computer B. I open it on Computer B, make some adjustments to color, and then try to Save, and up pops a box that says I can't Save because I don't have the necessary access privileges. That sounds as though you didn't really copy the file on the remote disk before you opened it with an editor. It's something like the meaning of pulled. If you copied the file to a local folder it's yours. If you're trying to edit it remotely it still belongs to someone else as far as the OS is concerned. When your editor goes to save it on the remote machine you, as the local user, must have read and execute access to the remote directory into which the file will be stored. Have you tried a Save-As into a local directory? Does the directory where the file is stored on the remote machine have write access for everyone? That's actually fairly dangerous and is unlikely to be an Apple default. Apple's GUI access to permissions lacks some capability in that it doesn't make it easy to set and unset the execute bit in the UNIX way. It's whole lot easier in Terminal.app where you can perform an ls -l to see all of the permission bits with chmod available to reset them. But yeahhh. I know. That's not the Apple way. It's also just possible that someone has enabled access control lists. That's popular in machines that are network servers but it's a real PITA in a home environment. Is computer A, perhaps, a machine at work and mounted over the internet? -- --A flashlight: is a metal tube used to store dead dry cells. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Daylight Savings Time and OS X?
At 09:05 -0700 11/21/11, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Nov 21, 2011, at 5:22 AM, Bill Connelly wrote: Anyone know where to set Observe Daylight Savings Time in OS X.5.8? I just got an e-mail from a friend in Ghana, and now being 5 hours in front of us, they are still showing up as only 4 ... That SHOULD be set by selecting the right city in your time zone, in the Date and Time prefs. In good old OS 9 there was an option to set daylight time automatically. That seems to have disappeared in OS 10. Does Ghana observe daylight saving time and does it switch on the same date? Are you going by the Date: header in the email message? That would depend on choices made by the friend in Ghana. Have a look at a Received: header or two if Apple Mail allows it. They are often entered in UTC but they always tell what zone is in use. These are from the original posting as I received it. (gmail (G) is not the same as qmail(Q) ) Received: (qmail 41466 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2011 12:46:23 - Received: from mailwash42.pair.com (66.39.2.42) by manam.pair.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2011 12:46:23 - Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailwash42.pair.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 725F827249 for dougl...@macnauchtan.com; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 07:46:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by 10.52.187.34 with SMTP id fp2mr6500449vdc.9.1321879574565; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 04:46:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.41.17 with SMTP id o17ls6525011ybo.2.gmail; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 04:46:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.156.98 with SMTP id l62mr23312444yhk.4.1321879572552; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 04:46:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.109.32 with SMTP id h32msybc; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 04:22:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.192.1 with SMTP id p1mr3970260anf.52.1321878160480; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 04:22:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.192.1 with SMTP id p1mr3970259anf.52.1321878160467; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 04:22:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net. [206.46.173.11]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id e44si3375867yhk.0.2011.11.21.04.22.40; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 04:22:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 07:22:38 -0500 -- -- A fair tax is one that you pay but I don't -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: connectivity question
At 15:24 -0700 11/21/11, Bruce Johnson wrote: About half of all prescriptions filled remotely in the US is done by fax machine. A fax cannot be falsified via a MITM attack like an email can, nor can it be as easily forged, and faxes, unlike emails, support legal signature requirements. rant/ Of course we could have a system whereby we did have unfalsifiable emails with valid signatures, but only drug dealers, terrorists and dirty f***ing hippies use email encryption, right? /rant You are s right! Banks, brokers, and credit card folks all want everyone to change to all electronic delivery of statements. They get delivered as PDF files which can easily be modified by any half way intelligent programmer. I figure the only real reason I want the monthly documents is for use in, perish the thought, a problem that requires a court to provide a solution. Can you imagine trying to prove that you did not modify a statement in PDF format? As Bruce says, it is possible to sign things using public-key cryptography. The code is all there and is easily applied to the likes of a PDF or simple text file that contains the data. Any changes would be immediately apparent. All I ask, regularly, is that my bank use the cryptography to sign their documents and declare up front that in any legal proceeding they will honor a match of the crypto hashes in court. I have yet to find a financial establishment that has the foggiest idea of what I'm talking about. My stuff gets delivered as paper because I demand it while suggesting the crypto option. Where is my government on the point? Clueless is the answer and it applies to much more. -- -- From the U S of A, the only socialist country that refuses to admit it. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: what is this card....
At 01:12 -0700 10/26/11, QuoVadis wrote: Isn't that the 56K Modem? PowerMac G4's have something very similar, connected by two cables to the telephone jack (RJ45). Perhaps picky, but just to avoid confusion that would be an RJ-11 jack. Six slots and probably only two wires used. -- -- Halloween == Oct 31 == Dec 25 == Christmas -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 10.3.9 hacking
At 15:50 -0700 10/14/11, Eric Hall wrote: That sounds very interesting indeed. From: Andrew Owen cheve...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 9:48 AM Subject: 10.3.9 hacking Hi folks, I've just stepped over from the Panther list, which is a little slow these days. I'm in the process of hacking 10.3.9 on my G4 Mac mini to be a little more current. So far I've dropped in the graphics from Lion. I've now moved on to updating the UNIX tools, starting with GCC. I'm aiming to get some slightly more recent software working under X11. If anyone is interested I'd be happy to continue posting about my progress. Cheers! Apple's 10.3.9 is the last version that allows me to continue using my SE/30 as an HFS file server. I have moved most of my serious efforts to ubuntu Linux which has little trouble communicating with my SE/30 using Stairway's NetPresenz. My G4 runs VectorWorks and I need it but that's about all. I keep hoping that the open source guise will come up with a CAD program that works. And, of course the lady of the house has a brand new iPhone 4S and runs Lion on a portable and a desktop. The best I can do is a login account on each where I can use Terminal.app. Gestures prove to me nothing more than that all iOS boxes are female. I gave up understanding the proper motions long ago. I'm preparing this on an 8500 running OS 9. It works well and I understand it. That's more than I can say about Apple's mail.app that continues to send me messages which ignore all of RFC-2822. Count me as very much interested in your efforts. -- -- From the U S of A, the only socialist country that refuses to admit it. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Topic: Removing Heat Sink from Sonnet G4 upgrade card
At 06:37 -0700 8/1/11, Geke wrote: That's 71 degrees Centigrade, if I'm right. That doesn't sound like too much to me. Anyone can say something about what is a safe max temperature of CPUs? Does it vary a lot among different models? The absolute maximum temperature for a PN junction is about 205 C. At that point basic diffusion of the P type and N type doping atoms becomes serious. 205 C is also the soldering temperature for the lead free solders we now have to use. That makes for interesting problems melting the solder fast enough that you don't damage the insides of a chip. Safe maximum depends on your safety standards but it's well below 205. 100 C is likely OK for everyone. -- -- A fair tax is one that you pay but I don't -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Cleaning a PowerBook G4
At 15:03 -0400 7/18/11, Dan wrote: The owner of this PB G4 claimed he doesn't smoke - but he smells and has glowing yellow eyes. The PB has that nicotine patina, and the keys are gummy, some unresponsive. I opened it up... and the nicotine/tar is acting as a glue for some white cat hairs... Ok, so tonight I'm going to double up on the latex gloves and try cleaning this beastie. Normally I use things like rubbing or iso alcohol. But then normally, I avoid tar'd computers. Is there something better for ciggy goo? Long long ago, when I worked in a government laboratory, I used an acoustic vibrating tank filled with CCl2F2 - freon22 - for things like that. That's probably illegal now but there are vibrating tanks big enough to handle a keyboard if you can get access to one. Carbona was CCl4 - carbon tet - would be good too but there's that ozone thing above us. Acetone is a a BAD idea. It will mess up the plastic parts. Gasoline?? Perhaps with some experimenting on the plastics first. Alcohol will clean up after that. Stoddard Solvent would be like gasoline but without dissolved heavier oils. Paint thinner is a lot like Stoddard but cheaper and available at Home Depot. NOT paint remover. -- -- From the U S of A, the only socialist country that refuses to admit it. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Curious external login
A few weeks ago, on this 8500 with a G3 in it and under OS 9.1, I placed an alias to a a disk on my G4 into System Folder:Startup Items: The G4 is running OS 10.3.9. Actually I was testing something. It's not the way I usually operate. But I do shut my machines down at night. This morning I powered the machines up and got distracted. I usually log in to the G4 first because that machine is faster in the boot process. But this morning I got to the 8500 first and it was asking for a username and password before opening the disk on the G4. So I typed them in and poked the enter key. Without watching I moved across the room and the G4 machine expecting to log in there too. I was already logged in! My regular start-ups, BBedit and Terminal, were running, SSH_AGENT was active and asking me to unlock my keys in a Terminal window. Somehow the mount operation asked for by the 8500 managed to do that. I don't think that ought to be the case. There are others in the house whom I trust but that might not be the case all of the time. The G4 could have been located far away. Does anyone know about this feature? Is it intentional? Is it that way for more modern OS versions? -- 1801 - Joseph Marie Jacquard uses punch cards to instruct a loom to weave hello, world into a tapestry. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mysterious communications between two G5s
At 10:34 -0700 7/6/11, Tom wrote: Bruce, I don't understand how I might 'open the modem with a browser' to learn more about it. If you explain that I'll give it a try. I'm running both Safari and Firefox, but I don't see anything in their menus related to modems. Some common numbers are 192.168.1.2 and 192.168.1.0. They depend on the manufacturer of the modem/router. Somebody, perhaps an install disk, has set your computer to use the router at that address. If you open Network control panel - er select Network in the System Preferences option - you may be able to find the exact address. You might have to choose to edit the settings in order to see the numbers. There WILL be a way out without changing anything. The proper number ought to be in some paperwork that came with your broadband installation. You might also check the web site of whoever supplies your connection and sends you a bill. When you have the proper address, or perhaps by trying a few options just type the likes of: http://192.168.1.128 in your browser as an address to go to. ducking You might also try typing: netstat -nr in Terminal.app. The default line should show the address you're looking for. /ducking -- -- The U. S. Census Bureau missed a bet by not counting all of those embryos in cold storage. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mysterious communications between two G5s
At 02:19 -0700 7/5/11, Tom wrote: The Zoom X6v integrates a full-rate ADSL 2/2+ modem, router, 802.11 wireless access point, VoIP telephone adapter, firewall, and four-port 10/100 Ethernet switch into a single cost-effective product. The integration of networking devices, along with Zoom's FastLane Quality of Service and Installation Wizard simplify setup, maximize dependability, and provide superior voice communications and video delivery over the Internet. All that's just gibberish to me. Does it sound to you like this modem supports a LAN? It's almost surely possible to open the modem with a browser. You would learn a lot about it that way. Here it's on http://192.168.1.128. If it's something else your Internet Service Provider will be able to tell you. You may also need a username and password which it's advisable to change. admin:admin is a common startup and, if it is set that way you might be surprised to find out who's using your machines. -- -- A fair tax is one that you pay but I don't -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Startup Sequence
At 06:25 -0700 6/29/11, Iamanamma wrote: Doug, thanks, but I already looked in the Startup Items folder. It's up there in my list of where it isn't. On my 8500 I mount external drives at startup by running an MPW script. MPW is on my startup list and I just use it's capabilities to mount my SE/30 complete with passwords and usernames. I don't think you have MPW but take it as proof that another started application can ask for a mount of an external disk. Are you starting anything else up automatically? If so does the undesired mount occur if you turn that off? *** And ununtu is Debian without the problems like those you discovered with RedHat. At least someone is trying. Two things I like: When I do discover something I don't like and might be a bug I can go to the net and easily search for bugs reported by others. Sometimes I can even help fix something. Try that with Apple's bug reporter. If you didn't file the bug you can't see it. If I don't like the way an application works I can jolly well change it. Well, that's true for most and there are some apps that don't release source code. The whole thing makes me feel like its 1965 all over again when I could and did make changes to Control Data's operating system or FORTRAN compiler to make it work for me. Some of the changes were accepted, with thanks, by Control Data. The computing world was better back then. Nobody thought of patenting or copywriting software. And objective C didn't exist. *** And I still use perfectly good oscilloscopes from Tektronix that require serial RS-232 ports to be programmed. New Apple stuff doesn't even compete with the 68030 with its RS-485 capability. Did you ever try connecting a Garmin GPS to a modern Mac? RS-232 to USB mostly works but you're limited to a meter or so for the connection unless it's a special converter. And Garmin itself doesn't go negative as required by the RS-232 specification. -- -- From the U S of A, the only socialist country that refuses to admit it. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Startup Sequence
At 13:03 -0500 6/28/11, Kris Tilford wrote: On Jun 28, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Iamanamma wrote: Beige G3, OS 8.6. This isn't the 1990's. Hassles like you're experiencing is the universe's way of telling you it's time to upgrade your system. His Beige can run 10.4.11 w/XPostFacto, and a simple Safe Boot would solve your issue in OS X, but honestly, better hardware is cheap or free if you're lucky. As for the issue, I'd trash some preference file, but I don't know exactly which one? Have a look at :System Folder:Startup Items: One way to get a disk mounted at startup is to put an alias to the disk there, Form a Mac 8500 running OS 9.1 where the MPW shell still works. My new machine runs ubuntu. -- -- From the U S of A, the only socialist country that refuses to admit it. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Connect as vs. Screen Sharing to drag files between Macs
At 11:38 -0700 6/27/11, Jane, (Portland, OR) wrote: I am trying to drag some files from 1 Mac to another. I thought Screen Sharing would be ideal for that. But, I was not able to drag the files from the shared screen Mac to the original Mac. Is there a specific procedure for this? Do I need to press a specific key? I know that I can drag files with Connect as and the Network. But for some reason, I can't connect that way. Please add model and operating system and version for each Mac. File Sharing, not Screen Sharing, is what you want. At least one of the Macs has to have file sharing enabled so it can behave as a server. If one of the Macs is running in classic mode there are other problems like enabling file sharing over IP . -- -- From the U S of A, the only socialist country that refuses to admit it. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Only way to stop the sex and drug SPAM?
I personally handle lists using the ListID: header that is almost universal now. These are typical: To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Only way to stop the sex and drug SPAM? Reply-To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com List-ID: g3-5-list.googlegroups.com My list address is filtered using a white list of subscribed ListID: headers. Not there, the message is spam. There are a few exceptions and I do look for a subject that is an exact duplicate of something I have recently sent. That helps for folks who still think replies to lists ought to be sent To: the poster with a copy to the list. (That was a good idea when lists could take more than a day to respond over a telephone or usenet connection.) If you speak perl have a look at: ftp://ftp.macnauchtan.com/Pair/qfilter_list.pl The list server is usually pretty good at filtering out spam sent to the list for re-distribution. They have the advantage of an allowed list of posters who can be cut off for bad messages. But it can still happen that a subscriber's computer can get infected and distribute messages over a list, Such things are usually detected and stopped quickly. -- -- The U. S. Census Bureau missed a bet by not counting all of those embryos in cold storage. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Cube: possible processors?
At 17:27 +0200 6/17/11, Mac User #330250 wrote, and I snipped: For a thermally limited cube you could measure the temperature and adjust the clock speed accordingly. If you try to play some war game that demands three dimensional viewing depending on your place in the synthetic environment your machine will slow down. depending on your place in the synthetic environment ??? I'm sorry, I'm not a native speaker. I don't understand. Sorry. What I am referring to as the synthetic environment is the three dimensional image that you appear to be inside of as you play. Every time you move the computer needs to re-create the image from your location and the direction you are looking. That means vector arithmetic that rotates every item in the 3-D database usually using 4 x 4 matrix multiplications for each point in the image. It is a whole lot of arithmetic that has to worry about which parts of the scene are obscured by others and shadows due to the lighting. The more you move around using the mouse or game console to make the moves the more the computer has to do and it can be a whole lot. The computation gets so intense that it is often unloaded to something like an Nvidia graphics board that's made for the purpose. -- -- A fair tax is one that you pay but I don't -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Home folder near capacity
At 15:31 -0700 6/17/11, Bruce Johnson wrote some good stuff: At 17:04 -0500 6/17/11, Sean Carroll wrote: drwx--+ describes type of permission, I think. the d indicates a directory. rwx means that the owner (user) has read, write, and execute permissions to the directory. Execute permission is required to display the directory contents. The blanks might show two more rwx items, first for the group and last for everyone. Execute permission is not well handled by Finder. chmod is the Terminal command to work with the permissions. I suggest familiarizing yourself with the man pages for ls and chmod. man ls on the command line is one way but it might be easier to locate the man page on the internet as a web page. -- -- From the U S of A, the only socialist country that refuses to admit it. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Home folder near capacity
I don't really think your home directory is limited but for changing permissions you should consider using Terminal.app. I know, I know. Apple doesn't really like that. http://support.apple.com/kb/TA24068 seems to say that with File Vault you are always talking to a disk image that was likely established with a maximum size. The files there are encrypted and you really need to, at least temporarily, move them to storage after they are decripted. You should be able, perhaps as an administrator, to store the entire directory somewhere outside of your home. Another disk, another partition, another user's home directory. . . The instructions in the like are certainly not clear, sigh. Your real home directory is not limited. It's just the file vault part. If you really think it's a permissions problem the shell command is chmod It can be used with the -R option to operate on every directory and every file below the place where you start. recursively entering all directories. On an encrypted file vault I'd consider it dangerous unless you have a good backup. man chmod will tell all. but it can be a bit confusing. A two step process can work. There's probably a way to make it work in one pass but I donno it. cd $HOME# change to your home directory chmod -R 666 *# Change everything, including directories, to read and write for everyone. chmod -R +X * # Reset the execute bits for the directories that you turned off with the first command. -- -- From the U S of A, the only socialist country that refuses to admit it. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Home folder near capacity
http://support.apple.com/kb/TA24068 1. Log in as the account user. 2. Use Security preferences to turn off File Vault (you will be logged out during the process). 3. Log in with the account again. 4. Use Security preferences to turn FileVault back on (you will be logged out during the process). When you do step 2 do you get logged off? On step 3 when you log in with File Vault off there will be no limit to the size of your home directory other than because of a disk full situation. Step 4 is curious though. It might just return you to where you came from. Before that what do you see? Can you access your files? If you can you should be able to make unencrypted copies of them into a new folder in your home directory. It seems that the old files are really in a disk image that OS-X is working from. Can you see that? You might have to use Terminal.app to see it with ls -a if Apple has hidden it from Finder. The only size limit you have is the arbitrary size of the File Vault disk image. -- -- In Christianity, man can have only one wife. This is known as monotony. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Home folder near capacity
At 20:35 -0500 6/14/11, Sean Carroll wrote, and I snipped: The daunting thing was realizing that were still approximately 1 billion files to check/change permissions on - and this just to TEST the theory that it would work. Are you serious? 10^9 files requires a 30 bit integer to count them. I wouldn't be surprised to find that Apple's disk image structure can't handle it with 32 bit unsigned integers. Anyone know? What is the limit on the file count for an HFS+ disk image? A gigafile of 1 kB files would require a Terabyte of storage. Something is really strange. -- -- From the U S of A, the only socialist country that refuses to admit it. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Cube: possible processors?
At 19:22 -0700 6/10/11, peterh...@cruzio.com wrote: A batch of good stuff about power usage and clock speeds which I snipped. Microprocessors built with complimentary symmetry metal oxide transistors, CMOS, dissipate power only as the states of the CMOS gates are changed. While sitting in a 1 or 0 state they don't require any power at all. So the usage of a chip is proportional to the count of gate changes per second and not only to the clock speed. In an idle state there might not be very many gates changing state at each clock pulse. (For completeness, the power is also proportional to the square of the power voltage.) Scientific calculations, games, video which has to be decompressed in real time, things like that require a lot of calculation and thus a lot of gate changes at any clock speed. Editing a document while being limited by your finger speed on a keyboard will not use many gate changes and the computer power will be lower. For a thermally limited cube you could measure the temperature and adjust the clock speed accordingly. If you try to play some war game that demands three dimensional viewing depending on your place in the synthetic environment your machine will slow down. Sorry. You can read your email at full speed. There is a lot of data on the world wide web about overclocking of chips. The idea originally was to monitor a chip for errors and speed up the clock until they begin to show up. The acronym was the TEA technique and I have forgotten the words it stands for. What you're talking about is underclocking but it's the same idea. Modern chips actually have temperature sensors on them; they can be read out and perhaps used as in input to a variable frequency clock. A maximum speed clock connected to a programmable downcounter chip would be pretty easy to set up, trivial if you could use a simple interface to code running on the processor itself but more difficult if Apple limits you to the likes of USB or Ethernet. There are also analog schemes for making a variable frequency oscillator that could be controlled by a thermistor on the heat sink. They would be slower to respond. -- -- If it's not on fire it's a software problem. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Bounced mail?
At 19:39 -0800 6/11/11, Stephen E. Bodnar wrote: Yep, getting lots of them. All with this username - trinettejohn...@fuse.net I have received exactly zero. I suspect the reason is that I allow only messages that have a List-ID: g3-5-list.googlegroups.com header to come through. I have a login account at my domain name hosting service and I do it with a perl script that is processed by their qmail (That's a Q, not a G) SMTP server. If anyone is interested, ask dmcnutt@same -- -- If it's not on fire it's a software problem. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: What is the best OS for PowerMac G4 AGP Graphics?
At 08:37 -0700 6/5/11, Daniel Attard wrote: I have an old Power Mac G4 and I was wondering what is the best Mac OS X version.I was also wondering which is the best Ubuntu version for it.I don't want 6.06. These are it's specs: 400 Mhz G4 CPU 320 MB of RAM 10 GB harddrive DVD drive I'm using one like that. It came with OS 9, It's now running OS 10.3.9 which I went back to after installing 10.4. 10.4 works OK and depending on your usage it is probably best for you. My problem remains that 10.4 removed the ability to use Apple file sharing with my SE/30 that I still use as a simple file server. Ubuntu on an Intel box behaves fine talking to the SE/30 and the G4 but I haven't tried replacing BSD on the G4. ssh and its cousins allow me to smoothly log in to Ubuntu with Apple's Terminal.app. Yes I drive an '82 Jeep, and I'm typing on an 8500 using keys that fight back like my Olympia did.. -- -- From the U S of A, the only socialist country that refuses to admit it. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Executor
At 20:24 +0200 6/1/11, Mac User #330250 wrote: Anyone ever heard of Executor? https://github.com/ctm/executor Supposed to run Classic Mac OS Applications on some Mac OS X, DOS, Linux, Š, but I'm very unsure about the specs. Any successful attempts to use it on a PowerPC-based Mac? Wow. I think the Eudora folks who will lose a really good email program under Lion. It's a pain now under OS 10.6.x with Rosetta which is almost surely supported in Lion. Scroll down to the README in the above link. Compiled with Xcode on neXt 10.6.5 implies functionality on Intel machines, I think. I donno about support for resource forks in file systems though. I'm cross posting this to: List-ID: Eudora for the Mac eudora-mac.cartel.listmoms.net -- -- A fair tax is one that you pay but I don't -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: new icon for networked mac?
At 12:36 -0700 5/30/11, Jeffrey Engle wrote: On May 30, 2011, at 11:45 AM, Kris Tilford wrote: On May 30, 2011, at 1:28 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: Ya, first thing I tried before going on the list.. funny thing is that there's nothing at all on the web about the topic either... So it doesn't work I guess. Perhaps enable root user login and try again as root? Ok, tried that (the root login) and when logged into the root, all the icons are changed to default network folders in this case. so, nope... won't work (so far anyway) Jeffrey Engle Kamiah, Idaho 83536 macgu...@gmail.com The OS-9, and before, way was to use Finder Get Info for some disk and select its icon by clicking. You can then copy the icon to the clipboard. After that do another get info on the disk or an alias to it that you want to change, select the icon, and paste. That sort of works on 10.3.9 and I'm pretty sure that it did not on 10.2.x. It might fail with the huge icon files now available. OS 10.3.9 does not recognize disk icons prepared under 7.5 on my SE/30. -- -- A fair tax is one that you pay but I don't -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Car computer
At 00:20 -0500 5/18/11, Alexander Gomes wrote: I had a thought and a couple of questions. I was thinking about putting a computer into my car for music and gas mileage tracking, things of the like, and I was wondering what you all might think of it? I know my G4 has passive cooling anyway, and changing the case and power supply would be the biggest thing, but the easiest as soon as I find one that will fit. I'm really wondering what are the thermal limits of them? How well do you think it will fair? Your automobile, unless it's like my 1982 Jeep, has a CAN bus that it uses to send information to its plurality of microprocessors. You really should find a processor board that can read the bus but that will not be an Apple board. J K Microsystems has some nice ideas and they will run Linux. Some of them are great with the likes of music. But then getting the formats for the CAN bus might be tricky. -- -- From the U S of A, the only socialist country that refuses to admit it. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: I am forced to go Intel? Common rant, I guess.
At 19:18 -0500 5/10/11, Jerry Kemp wrote: What happened to Yellow Dog Linux PPC? At least at some point in the past when Apple was still on PPC, that was the Linux to run, if you needed to run it on Apple hw. I think the OP's original problem was the fact that Adobe Flash and other byproducts of the World Wide Web were not being updated on Motorola/IBM/Apple Power PC hardware. Linux with it's open-source concepts can't make changes to the proprietary code that is Flash. If Adobe doesn't compile it for Power PC there's really nothing the open-source world can do about it. In the Intel world there is considerable hesitation to support Flash but it is available and the likes of Firefox will link to it when it's installed by a user. You won't find Flash code in the distribution of a Linux OS, be it Yellow Dog, ubuntu, of others who subscribe to open-source philosophy. As for the future of Flash, check out the features of HTML5, especially its new video tag. There are open-source options like oog. -- -- From the U S of A, the only socialist country that refuses to admit it. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: I am forced to go Intel? Common rant, I guess.
At 22:36 -0400 5/9/11, admin wrote: Adobe Flash 10.2 Intel only, I believe. Web sites are starting not to work under Leopard and Firefox Camino 2.0.7, Firefox 3.6.17, Safari 5.0.5. I can do everything I need to and still use Classic Programs with my G4 computers. I'd rather invest in redundancy with machines and external drives, but it seems the handwriting is on the wall ... I don't even have an LCD monitor. Any suggestions on a Mini that will navigate the latest browsers and web sites? Thanks. Give some serious consideration to using ubuntu Linux on a used or otherwise cheap Intel machine. I used UNIX long before 1984 and I'm likely biased but I find I can communicate quite easily between my G4 running OS 10.3.9 and my HP box running ubuntu where Firefox runs fine with the latest web nonsense. -- -- A fair tax is one that you pay but I don't -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Apple_ARM ?
At 13:49 +0200 5/7/11, Matevzť Markovicť wrote: Wow! If Apple goes to ARM on laptops, wouldn't that be like going back to the PowerPC. I know that the times are different today and that ARM is way better off than PowerPC was in 2005 as far as Apple is concerned, but still, what would the performance of say future equivalent of MacBook pro be? And what will they stick into MacPros and iMacs? Is there a ARM chip in the roadmap that can match current Xeon generation? Is there even a ARM chip that can match PowerPC 970gx? The ARM chips do not have the AltaVec stacked arithmetic capability that the Gx series have. The idea is that vector operations which have a lot of identical processes applied to a list of values can be stacked up to that after, say 100 , clock pulses a new result comes out for each clock pulse, with a 100 pulse overall delay. That's very useful to scientists, engineers, and three-D games. Modern Intel chips don't have that either. It turns out that threaded processing available on video plug-in boards behaves in a similar fashion and it's possible to pass off mathematics to the video board in a way that's similar to AltaVec. It's what makes those 3-D views in the games react to a mouse or game control unit. S. It looks like Intel with plug-in cards can multiply quickly. Probably not so for portables. -- -- Give me liberty or give me Obamacare -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Leopard on my iMac
At 12:13 -0700 4/11/11, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Apr 11, 2011, at 11:47 AM, Dan Ziegler wrote: Well the RAM amount is possible, I know it needs more... but it has worked great for 1.5 years until about 2 weeks ago this started. (And will Dad want to spend $70, hmm...) This is really really really slow - I'm talking slower than my old Sawtooth, 10.4.11 with 384 MB! Maybe the install is old with age? I'd hate to have to do a clean install. No that won't be it. The OS doesn't 'age'. $70 would be a well-spent upgrade. Look in the System log at the time it starts slowing down, see if you have errors being reported. (use the Console app in Utilities) A long time ago I had a similar thing happen when a USB device went flaky. Utilities/Activity\ Monitor might be useful. You can leave it running and watch when a slowdown occurs. Be sure your periodic updates are getting run regularly. That's the 3AM thing that you can execute using sudo from a Terminal.app session any time. -- -- From the U S of A, the only socialist country that refuses to admit it. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: rich text problem
At 18:37 -0500 3/19/11, Sean Carroll wrote: A bit odd that Mail doesn't directly offer the option to view all messages as plain text. As far as I can tell. I haven't tried it but. . . . defaults write is a command to be executed in terminal.app And you might want to try: defaults read com.apple.mail PreferPlainText Which is a bit safer before you actually change the preference. At 11:31 -0700 3/17/11, Bruce Johnson answered another: I use Mail in 10.6 but I have it set to display rich text. Now I see why it's hated. Do this: Quit Mail. Open terminal, and enter the following: defaults write com.apple.mail PreferPlainText -bool TRUE Start Mail again. If you ever want to see the rich text version of any message merely press option-command-]; it'll then show the next alternative, which usually suffices to show the 'rich' version of any message. -- -- A fair tax is one that you pay but I don't -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: rich text problem
At 22:53 -0400 3/17/11, Dan wrote: At 9:31 PM -0500 3/17/2011, Sean Carroll wrote: A long time ago, I thought the problem with rich text/HTML mail (synonymous terms?) Rich text is text marked up with HTML. Practically true so long as the discussion is limited to mail; Two possible misconceptions: 1: There was once an RFC about rich text procedures for mail. It wasn't used much and was nothing like HTM but it was called Rich Text. I haven't seen it in 26 years. 2: There is a format for word processing called RTF - Rich Text Format. It pretty much belongs to Microsoft having been introduced to support the BASIC programming language before there was a Macintosh. MS WORD uses it in a newer and better version that last year's which is used by Apple's TextEdit..app. That RTF has nothing to do with HTML for the web and is never used in email except, perhaps, as the format of an attachment. -- -- Give me liberty or give me Obamacare -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Do not understand how to send html emails on my G4 Mac
At 12:28 -0500 2/24/11, M Christol wrote, and I snipped: It's easy in Thunderbird. Pretty easy in Outlook. Not so easy in Mail as it prefers RTF. My main problem is trying to get my wife to send plain text email from Apple's OS X mail application. All I ever get is three lines of text in a 300 kB file that's mostly irrelevant HTML css scripts. Between us we haven't found a button that sends only ASCII. Actually much of the data originates at the iTunes store and all I want is the amount to be entered into my Excel finance worksheet. A copy and paste from an iTunes receipt is to be avoided. But RTF in Apple's email terminology definitely means HTML. RTF, as used by TextEdit is entirely different and is an older version of Microsoft's RTF which originated in the BASIC compiler and now has morphed into something that TextEdit and older versions of WORD can't read. There is another RTF format that was once used in email. There is an RFC about it but I haven's seen an email in that format since Al Gore invented the internet. -- -- The corporate income tax is a sales tax collected, on behalf of the government, through price increases. It is paid in the end by consumers of the products. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: How to test PRAM battery?
When messing with dry cells - batteries if there is more than one - pay a lot of attention to the mounting parts. A cell may test good with a voltmeter but it may not make a good connection with the springy metal parts in its holder. Those cells are very lightly loaded as used in the computer. A voltage check with a removed cell is probably quite sufficient with use of a battery tester that tests with a typical load. -- -- From the U S of A, the only socialist country that refuses to admit it. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: help, i'm going deaf!
At 21:17 -0800 1/18/11, Jeffrey Daile Engle wrote: On Jan 18, 2011, at 8:40 PM, Yersinia wrote: On 1/18/11 10:59 PM, Jeffrey Daile Engle wrote: hThen when the chat is over, heaven forbid if I had itunes playing a song earlier, because the song is now 1400 decimals!! ...decimals?! ROFLMAO I didn't know numbers could be so earsplitting.ROFL!!! (I trust you meant decibels... ROFLMAOPIMP thanks for the laugh! Obviously you weren't in my math class:-) glad you enjoyed yourself. NGACYB (now go and change yer britches:-) Jeff Actually, I read that as a sound pressure change of 1400 times with unspecified units. log10 (1400) is 3.1461 which would be a 31.5 db, or so increase in perceived volume. That's a quite reasonable figure, annoying but not dangerous. 1400 db would be ridiculous and the folks would be complaining about holes in the roof. -- -- If you are presented a number as a percentage, and you do not clearly understand the numerator and the denominator involved, you are surely being lied to. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Sudden power loss in G5
At 10:55 -0800 1/3/11, Leo Hoyt wrote: I have a dual 2.7 Ghz PPC G5 w/ 4.5 GB ram. The machine recently started powering off without warning. Is this signs of a power supply failing? If so how hard are the power supplies to replace in these towers? Don't overlook the possibility of a problem with your power cord or the surge arrestor it's likely hooked to. -- -- Marriage and kilo are troubled words. Turmoil results when centuries-old usage is altered in specialized jargon --. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: how do i stop these emails its been a year now!!
An unsubscribe request will likely require a confirmation in the form of a reply to an email which will be sent from the list owner. After doing a proper request be sure to watch for a confirmation message that might not make it through your spam filters because it won't match the list address exactly. Listers would be quite unhappy if anyone could request a termination for someone else! -- -- Halloween == Oct 31 == Dec 25 == Christmas -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: hijacking
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email#Header_fields http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2822.html Section 3.6.4 http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4685.txt Note the In-Reply-To: header that contains the Message-ID: information from the message being replied to. A recursive train of those headers gives mail software, especially lists, a way to make a collected display of threaded topics. Done that way there is no confusion when someone corrects a spelling error in a subject line or adds something like Re:, [G3-G5] or Antwort to a subject. It's true that there are mail clients that don't follow the rules or have other, but unique to a particular software company, techniques. This message will refer to: Message-ID: alpine.lrh.2.00.1011100103260.14...@shell.peak.org when it is sent. 2. a. To steal from as if by hijacking. seems to me to fit the description of the problem quite well. It's probably better to accuse the poster who needs to learn the right way by referring to a hijacking than to call him a thief. Better would be to call his attention to the rules as stated above. And, if his software doesn't do it for him, to propose a better client. It would be interesting if all mail clients showed the In-Reply_To: headers that they are creating before they allow pushing the SEND button. But that would be much too confusing for the average user. Sigh. It would be possible for list software to enforce the rules by simply installing the old Subject: header from the message being replied to. At least it would cause the hijackers to complain and that would be a teaching opportunity. They would declare the list a hijacker for stealing their subject text. -- -- A fair tax is one that you pay but I don't -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: PowerMac G3 AIO 'snapping/popping'
At 15:35 -0800 11/9/10, Peter Haas wrote: However, ANY repairs on a CRT's analog board must, necessarily, be effected by well-trained personnel. Remembering that good advice. . . It's possible, given the really possibility of bad storage by the previous owner, that you might luck out and need only to clean the wire that runs from the flyback to the picture tube. A layer of partially conductive crud on the high voltage insulators or on the back surface of the tube can make the intermittent sparks you report. You DO need to discharge the tube though.. Unplugged from the wall for a week should do it. Personally I use a long metallic probe with a ground lead to the spring that usually grounds the carbon coating, aquadag, on the tube to the metal of the computer box. I made the tool from an old long screwdriver with a plastic handle and a clip lead. The procedure is to slide the grounded tool under the rubber cap that covers the connection to the tube in a way that makes contact with the center wire. If you're the slightest bit uncomfortable with that go for two weeks to get things discharged or find a friend who has done it. (I'm probably biased a bit. I did my thesis with a 200,000 volt accelerator.) Cleaning with some dry alcohol or even soap and water with a good rinse is pretty easy. Let it dry well and test. You might luck out. If not, it is the flyback, or possibly a cracked tube, and not worth fixing. -- -- If it's not on fire it's a software problem. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mismatched SCSI connectors... (G4 Sawtooth)
There is something that doesn't make a lot of sense here. I don't think there ever was a peecee that used a DB25 connector for SCSI. Only Apple ever did that and they shorted a bunch of grounds together while violating SCSI rules of engagement. Was that scanner really a peecee parallel-port device? What is an HD50 connector? Do you mean a two row connector for a circuit board as Apple used internally with a flat cable? Or is it a 50 bin blue ribbon job from Amphenol? It's possible to solder from a DB25 to a DB-style 50 pin connector but it's a real pain to do a high density 50 pin job. The Iomega folks used 25 pin SCSI connectors on its Zip drives. Their pinout was the same as Apple's DB25's. Those cables ought to be all over the place. I might even have one. The G4 Sawtooth used ATA 40 pin connections internally. There are PCI cards for SCSI one of which which I assume you have installed. Did Astra supply something like that with a DB25? I'd be surprised if it did for use with a peecee. -- -- Halloween == Oct 31 == Dec 25 == Christmas -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Calling Apple Script Experts
At 15:39 -0700 11/1/10, glen wrote: - Original Message From: Jason Brown jason_brown1...@att.net I am actually very surprised that I have received 0 responses to this. I thought sure that there would be a ton of people that were good with Applescript. Oh well, thank you to each of you that read it and tried to figure things out. On Oct 28, 2010, at 9:41 AM, Jason Brown wrote: I have a problem that I need some help with. The only help I can suggest is to find an Applescript group. Maybe someone on list can suggest a good one. I know they exist from my experience in the graphic arts industry. I remember posts for needs of scripts for a specific needs and know there is a great group or two out there that can help. I don't remember the name of the group(s). Search? --glen *** List-Post: mailto:applescript-us...@lists.apple.com List-Help: mailto:applescript-users-requ...@lists.apple.com?subject=help List-Subscribe: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/applescript-users, mailto:applescript-users-requ...@lists.apple.com?subject=subscribe These folks are quite helpful, especially Apple's Chris Nebel. Be sure you provide the version of AppleScript you want, or are required, to use. The details change with every OS release. It also helps to show what you have tried. -- Applescript syntax is like English spelling: Roughly, though not thoroughly, thought through. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: back up generator question
At 21:29 -0400 10/30/10, Kevin Barth wrote: All generators are NOT created equal. Some produce MUCH cleaner output than others. Spikes and surges can destroy sensitive electronics. Square Wave-producing generators may power lights and freezers just fine, but they will not work well with computers. Square wave producing inverters, electronic devices that convert DC to AC are common. Generators or alternators that generate electricity from a moving shaft driven by some kind of engine just don't do that. Perhaps you're thinking about a solar panel that converts DC to AC using an inverter. But the real point is that computers of the G4 time period will run fine on 160 volts or so DC of either polarity, let alone square waves. Really old stuff, think Apple II, used input power transformers and 60 Hz fans which do demand AC power. It's conceivable that very new power converters in modern electronics need sine waves because of circuitry that guarantees low harmonic content in the current drawn by the computer. That kind of circuitry is going to be required in the likes of LED and compact florescent lighting but it's not here yet. Of course any power source needs to include transient overvoltage protection. Around here at 7000 feet MSL lightning does that regularly and can appear as a kilovolt or so between the ethernet port and the power plug. Nasty, and probably worse on city power than on a local generator. -- -- Halloween == Oct 31 == Dec 25 == Christmas -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Kernel panics on installing 10.4.11 on Powermac G4
At 14:21 -0700 10/30/10, smac0031 wrote: I'm getting a kernel panic after installing 10.4.11 on a G4 tower. After that it won't reboot. I'm not sure which model it is except that it has 100Mhz bus and it has 832mb of ram. Everything seemed to be going fine until 10.4.11. I started out putting OS9 on it and then OSX then it kernel panicked on me. Would it be possible that the rom has not been upgraded? If this is the first version of OS neXt for the machine it's very likely that the ROM needs the upgrade. Not so if it was running, say, 10.3.x. -- -- From the U S of A, the only socialist country that refuses to admit it. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Apple inside?
At 07:08 -0700 10/26/10, Gary D. wrote: The big cats are pretty much played out. How about something more agressive: Alligator or Crocodile. And then on to the dinosaurs - lots to choose from. Sorry, couldn't resist. Lists can be fun. With the Lion King one thinks of Disney - o wait, Disney-Pixar -o wait, Disney-Pixar-Next-OS neXt - o future, Apple Entertainment, Inc. buys not Sony, but Disney. Perhaps OS XI will use named mice - Mickey? -- -- From the U S of A, the only socialist country that refuses to admit it. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 monitor power?
At 14:48 -0700 10/24/10, MarkyB wrote: I sold my G4 MDD (epic sad face here) and I am about to set up my old G4 BW. I've never had a use for the monitor power share on the PSU, but are there cords to which I can use that with a standard lcd screen? What I am talking about is the PSU has a male connector for its power cord, and a female connector for a pass through connection to the old CRT studio display if I am not mistaken? This will be my secondary PC as my ADC 20 is connected to the winblows machine and I need to keep it that way. My G4 Sawtooth has such a configuration. The usage changed sometime after the IIFX so that power was simply paralleled with the input connection. My IIFX offered switched power for the female socket so that an associated monitor would have its power controlled by the Mac. No longer so on the Sawtooth and probably not for your BW either. The female connector is European style and requires a less than common cable with plastic around the male connector that prevents any human contact with the pins as it is being plugged in. Early Apple products came with that kind of extension cord for a monitor with a connector on it as opposed to a built-in cord. I suspect that kind of cord can still be found in stores but I have no suggestion. I know there's one on my IIFX but it looks as though I'm going to need it for some work I promised in January. The CAD on the G4, Vectorworks, won't open its own files from the IIFX era. Sigh. -- -- A fair tax is one that you pay but I don't -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Apple inside?
At 14:19 -0700 10/25/10, Andrew Liu Anderson wrote: Also, at 3GHz, you cross-over into the SHF range of micro-wave on radio spectrum. As frequency increases, Skin Effect of AC current becomes more dramatic, to where it becomes impossible to use ordinary conductors to carry your clock pulses, data, etc. from one component to the next. You have to start using Wave Guides, or hollow tubes to transmit information along an information pathway. And the wave guides have to be tuned to the frequency you are using. The long and the short of it is that to keep going up in frequency, we would need to start going back up in size to accommodate wave guides, relays, etc. Soon we'd be seeing room-size computers again... Or at least IBM 360 console size. :-) Anyone remember punch-cards? *** It's the last question that makes me do this. I had an IBM 024 punch in my office that nobody else wanted because it didn't print the letters on the top edge. The 026's did. It's really fun to check a FORTRAN deck for typos when all you have to look at is the holes. But 3 GHz translates to a wavelength of 1/3 of a foot because the foot - a metric unit now that the meter is defined in terms of the speed of light - is the distance that light travels in a nanosecond. Those clocks you're talking about would be a full cycle out of phase in two inches round trip if you tried that on a memory bus. What the manufacturer really means is that you, the designer, give me something slower, a few MHz, on a pin and I'll multiply it up to a 3 GHz clock that stays wholly inside the microprocessor. There we're dealing with much shorter path lengths. The time delay in a wave guide is still limited by the speed of light. Bigger and longer doesn't get better. Homework: A 3000 mile cross country fiber is being driven at a rate of 3 Gb/sec. How many bits are in the pipe waiting to be read out? -- -- Halloween == Oct 31 == Dec 25 == Christmas -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Interesting Vintage Website
At 11:19 -0700 10/23/10, Bruce Johnson wrote: The first Apple hard drive was a serial drive that connected to the Appletalk port on the original Macs. I believe it may have been SCSI on the inside. I'm pretty sure there was one - MacBottom? - that connected to the 19 pin D connector for an external floppy. It probably just pretended to be a really big floppy. -- -- From the U S of A, the only socialist country that refuses to admit it. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: IS the world about to change ?
If we lose the optical disk what will we have for archiving? Financial data coming from the bank is rapidly moving to computer files. What about those pictures we take to help in filing a fire insurance claim? Your last decade of income tax filings. Home-written CD-ROMs are not the best but they seem to be pretty good for half a decade and perhaps longer if protected from the environment. Pressed optical disks are very much better but not suitable for the likes of personal financial records because of initial expense. Floppies are terrible. So is magnetic tape. Flash, which is stored charge on MOSFET gates, will never be archival. Resistors that exhibit two crystal states have interesting possibilities but are quite a way off. Off-site storage as encrypted files on a trusted server with associated charges is available but costly and subject to government interference. Printed paper in a safe deposit box seems to be the best except for icons chiseled into granite. Punched paper rolls of piano music are the highest fidelity source of old music. What are Apple Entertainment, Inc. and the Lion King (Disney, Pixar) doing to help? -- -- Halloween == Oct 31 == Dec 25 == Christmas -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: IS the world about to change ?
I agree, Apple has thrown a lot of users under the bus... Funny, I just bought a new imac and I have this strange sinking feeling that I have the last OS worth owning in the box. Down with the ipad OS!! I find myself attending meetups which are sponsored by a group that was all Java a year ago. They are now presenting stuff on open source coding for fairly big enterprises with decent salaries. There is a lot of data base and cloud computing stuff. Java (with no script at the end), perl, Ruby, Python, and some others are in vogue. Essentially ALL speakers come to the podium with a portable Mac running OS-X! With money just not an object, performance and reliability are the deciding parameters. A most common answer is It just works. But the code being discussed is anything but Macintosh. X-code is never part of the talk. And not much is Windoze either. It's all UNIX with a bunch of Linux. The Macintoshes are fancy typewriters that run non-Apple development systems and hook up to projectors and funny internet links with no problems. I take it as evidence that Apple's hardware is still pretty good. -- -- From the U S of A, the only socialist country that refuses to admit it. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Odd Posting issue
At 09:18 -0700 9/2/10, JoeTaxpayer wrote: Bill - I read the group on line as well as in a news feed in Thunderbird, John's posts look no different to me. I'd ask (repeat?) that any time one goes off topic, he should change the subject line to reflect the new issue. Please, when you introduce a new subject, do not reply to another posting. Copy and paste of the group address into a new message is much better. At 09:18 -0700 9/2/10, JoeTaxpayer wrote, in his headers:: In-Reply-To: 944cb5ab-d1f9-4af6-be09-8c5d263f1...@verizon.net References: f3f49a99-6f98-45e2-afe9-325fee933...@aol.com aanlkti=jjzkqvxw0esn_atccndgc_v5uggz5gc6xm...@mail.gmail.com fea590f8-22de-42dc-be8f-54cf0e62e...@aol.com 0972610a-5b61-452d-9a50-1bf52631e...@t20g2000yqa.googlegroups.com 895cd43d-8efd-4377-89dc-2a5482d44...@aol.com p06240802c89e14ff1...@localhost 4cc4b398-704a-4585-8e80-dd2d84bdb...@aol.com 944cb5ab-d1f9-4af6-be09-8c5d263f1...@verizon.net Those are references to unique messageIDs for earlier postings relating to the same thread. It's possible to combine all the postings in a thread even if small changes, like Aw: added instead of Re:, are made. Many mail clients will do this if asked but they get confused when new postings are made while hijacking a thread and just changing the subject. -- --A flashlight: is a metal tube used to store dead dry cells. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CCC image bootable?
At 10:45 -0700 8/26/10, gifutiger wrote: What is a CCC image, CCC copies one disk to another, its not a image, it is a CLONE I can not find any option in CCC to make an image. Images are made if you use Apples Disk Utility, If you make a xxx,img using Disk Utility you can open (mount) the xxx.img as a disk or restore it to a disk. In the ancient history of floppy disks and magnetic tapes an image was a bit for bit copy, the word being stolen from the concept of a photographic image which could never be modified. How meanings change when Photoshop enters the scene. But it's pretty clear that the OP was using the old definition of image rather than the stolen word, reduced to a file type - .img, common to Apple's distributions which are actually compressed data. And clone has the same problems, especially when used for race horses. -- -- Give me liberty or give me Obamacare -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: USB to serial??
At 05:52 -0700 8/11/10, John Carmonne wrote: I have a G4 Cube and PM G4 MDD both boot OS9 and I use a program to communicate data to CNC machinery. The method was always via printer or modem ports on the pre G4 machines with those ports. So the G4's have USB and I need to transfer the files via Mac to a RS232C hub connected to 8 CNC machines. The communication program has all the setup configurations, however only affords either printer or modem port. Is there any hope of making this work. - - - I have been using an old Mac SE/30 for that kind of thing. OS 7.5 talks to OS 10.3.9 quite well on ethernet but you can't use Tiger. With OS 9 you'll be fine. But you should be warned that RS232 has been modified in usage more or less recently. USB to RS232 converters, especially those that use power from the USB bus at +5 volts claim to be RS 232 compliant but they are not if you read the RS-232C standard which is all I can afford. The problem is that the new stuff doesn't go negative to represent a mark (logic 1) condition. It just goes low enough, about +100 mV, to look like a logic low to a modern CMOS gate. Your CNC machine or hub may well requite a voltage below -3 V which is the RS 232C standard. Mac serial ports are fine with that. I have also used a 1.5 volt dry cell in series with the TxD data line polarized to subtract 1.5 volts from the fake RS232 signal from the USB-RS232 converter. Something else I find useful is a cheap Intel box that's just good enough to run Linux and still has serial ports. Linux is comfortable with OS-9 and all versions of OS neXt over Ethernet. If you're willing to learn some perl have a look at ftp://ftp.macnauchtan.com/Excel/Tektronixwaves.pl. It goes the other way, reading from an oscilloscope over RS-232 but might be a starting point. -- -- If the US citizens between 18 and 21 would exercise their right to vote we wouldn't have a 21 year drinking age. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: we don't need no stinkin' adapters!
At 19:00 -0700 8/6/10, Jeffrey Engle wrote: Mess? a neat solder job and some shrink tubing? and that's assuming I have to cut the wires at all. You'll find that Molex, and AMP too, recommend against soldering those crimp terminals. The high temperature and solder blobs interfere with the flexibility of the metal and the mating force of the connectors after assembly. Use a crimp tool! -- -- The best programming tool is a soldering iron -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Monitor Question
At 16:22 -0700 8/4/10, glen wrote: Generally, I have no problem taking anything apart including the Dell. Should I assume the same danger applies to LCD's as CRT monitors regarding electric shock from the charge stored in the capacitors? If so, any safe way to discharge them? Probably won't try a fix anytime soon, too many more pressing tasks to do. No. The real danger in a CRT device is the picture tube itself. It requires some 25,000 volts or more to accelerate the electrons that impinge on the face of the tube to make light by florescence in an internal coating. The outside of the tube is coated with an electrically conducting surface that acts as a capacitor - well it's a Leiden jar - that can store charge for hours. Flat panel monitors operate with voltages that are not harmful. If they plug directly into a wall without a wall-wart or in-line power converter they will have some 360 volts on capacitors that are part of the isolated low voltage power converter. That can wake you up and is especially dangerous because that part of the circuitry is connected directly to the household power lines. It's usually easy to avoid them in a special enclosure provided by the manufacturer. The capacitors there discharge fairly quickly when the unit is unplugged. If you can afford one, an isolation transformer is a good thing to have on your workbench. FYI, I'm 63 and in reference to old TV's, I remember as a child of maybe 10 years, when the TV (a relatively new technology at that time) would go in the fritz and start rolling, usually while watching a favorite show, my dad would frantically go to the back of the TV to adjust the horizontal hold -- his words. Gotcha beat. I'm 75. Apparently the really old TV's had some sort of knob on the backside you could turn with a screw driver to the fix the problem. On the rare occasion when Dad failed to fix it, he would call the TV repairman. They made next day house calls in those days;, ahh the 1950's ;0 --glen He was tuning the frequency of the horizontal oscillator. It has to match the rate at which the transmission is sent, about 15 kHz was standard NTSC television. There is also a vertical oscillator which was once 30 Hz. Modern CRT monitors are multiscan and can operate over a big range like 25 kHz to over 75 kHz.. But they still have that adjustment. It's usually a ferrite core in a wound inductor and you need a special tool to twist it. There are capacitors in the flat panel displays that can be a problem. In a great effort to make things smaller we have managed to standardize on little cylinders that are aluminum electrolytic capacitors. The insulator is aluminum oxide which is electroformed in an acid solution after the capacitor is built. The result is a device that is full of acid that can produce gas and explode. There are even little Xs formed into the aluminum case to make them leak gas without showering acid all over the place. You can often identify the bad ones by looking for Xs that have expanded into a dome. It's amusing that really old capacitors, like the ones in that TV set don't have the same problems. The aluminum is thicker and the oxide layer is thicker. Continuous usage keeps the oxide formed because the applied voltage does that for you. But they're a few inches high and an inch or so in diameter and the modern public won't accept that. -- -- From the U S of A, the only socialist country that refuses to admit it. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Plain text format
Please Content-Type text/plain describes a mail message that, as delivered, contains zero, nada, no, precisely no, information about the font and size in which the email was sent. The font used for display by the client software is totally, absolutely, firmly, decided at the time the display is prepared as a screen image. Look up RFC 2822. -- -- Life begins at ovulation. Ladies should endeavor to get every young life fertilized. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: plain text please
http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2822.html is the controlling document for the basics of internet email. (Some would claim that the real RTF is 822 which is formally approved and not still standards track. It's worth a read. Its also worth while to poke around on that site for general education. RFC's (Requests for Comments) are the way the internet is supposed to work. http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2045.html Is the starting point for MIME extensions to email. Discussion of Content-Transfer-encoding is discussed there. It's a starting point for the proper inclusion of type HTML in a multipart mail message. It's widely ignored assuming that the client can look for an html tag in the body of a message. At 00:50 -0400 7/18/10, Kevin Barth wrote: OK. so now it seems you're arguing that everybody should limit themselves to plaintext because you can't read a proportional font? Or at least that you find a proportional font harder to read than a non-proportional one? At 22:34 -0500 7/17/10, James Therrault wrote: All plain text does is default to a non-proportiona font family such as courier. IOW, an I takes up the same space as a W etc. Plain text has absolutely noting to do with font or its character width and kerning. The reader, or his mail client, gets to choose it. At 01:18 -0400 7/18/10, Dan wrote: First of all, realize that rich text is a form of HTML. At 09:08 -0400 7/18/10, Dan wrote: RTF (Rich Text Format) is HTML, but without some of the formal headers and such. Since it hasn't got all the headers, it's a bit more efficient -- but not by much. http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1563.html describes enriched text. It was once called rich text but that got changed because of confusion with RTF (rich text format) which originated with Microsoft and was first used on Apple products as part of the BASIC language. As far as I know nobody has ever used RTF in the body of an email. It certainly is NOT HTML in any sense of the acronym. Apple, in OS neXt, uses a form of RTF for the likes of TextEdit.app. It's not compatible with the most current release, by Microsoft, of its RTF standard. (And by the way, you need to be a licensed developer to have access to that. I can't read my pirated copy in Word 5.1 or in TextEdit.). The last email that I received in enriched text probably came over arpanet.. From RFC 1563: This document defines one particular type of MIME data, the text/enriched type, a refinement of the text/richtext type defined in RFC 1341. The syntax of text/enriched is very simple. It represents text in a single character set -- US-ASCII by default, although a different character set can be specified by the use of the charset parameter. (The semantics of text/enriched in non-ASCII character sets are discussed later in this document.) At 00:13 -0600 7/18/10, Tina K. wrote: I'm curious, how does RTF fits into the discussion? Is Mail.app's RTF format really HTML? Mail.app will NOT place either Apple's RTF or Microsoft's RTF into the body of a mail message. As an attachment it would be possible. Like dragging the icon of a raw TextEdit file into the attachment box of a mail client. Mail.app defaults to using HTML for all messages but it can be told not to do that. If it calls HTML RTF it ought to be reported as a bug. There was once a UNIX tool called demime that would convert HTML to plain text. Mailing lists made extensive use of it for things like creating digests that work. I donno what it's current status is but I just might try it on stuff from this list. I'll have to move off this 8500 first. -- -- From the U S of A, the only socialist country that refuses to admit it. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: plain text please
At 17:27 -0400 7/17/10, Chance Reecher wrote: Q: what is plain text? and how do I make sure that I'm always using it? I thought it was simply in a font everybody had (helvetica) and that there was/is no pictures? evidently that apple is a picture? Jeff It's getting more and more difficult to send plain text to us users of ASCII with a bit of ASCII extended. The Apple mail client will do it but it's hard to figure out how. Eudora does it well but is no longer supported Gmail really likes HTML which is the real offender. An older form of enriched text is obsolete and truly dead. Plain text allows the reader and the reader only to set his font. Attachments are OK but inserted graphics are not. On a list attachments ore usually taboo anyway. Look at the source of displayed e-mail for the Content-Type: header to see if you got it right.. For Kris Tilford it's this. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Some would say that UTF-8 is NOT plain text. It does mean that there are no high ASCII characters above 127 (10) which would include the black apple. If you don't do UTF-8 with your client you'll see three funny characters which some client translated the black appl into. In UTF-8 any character above 127 is treated as a flag that says you need to include the previous two characters in a bit shifting way that yields a 16 or 24 bit extended character. format=flowed is a mechanism for sending long lines meaning greater than 80 characters. It was once useful for very slow communications mostly over telephone connections. Teletype was truly limited to 80 character buffers. Today essentially all SNTP and POP servers handle 1024 character lines which will be wrapped to window width be the receiving client. format flowed can really muck up a URL that runs over a line end. Apple mail uses a delsp=yes extension to format-flowed which is not handled by Eudora and probably other clients found on old Apples. It's a mess when URL's acquire spaces in transmission. From Jeff we got: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes Kris' second posting used this: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes The ISO encoding applies to characters above 127 and that one would surely not have a dark apple in it. The dark apple probably requires an Apple font to be viewed. Chicago perhaps. JUST DON'T SEND HTML! Well, there are reasons for it but rarely, if at all, on a mailing list that's for users of older machines. -- -- A fair tax is one that you pay but I don't -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: plain text please
At 00:15 + 7/18/10, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: An antiquated rule. Still on the books in Indiana If it cannot be displayed on a Apple II we don't want is here. That's for sure. Since 1 July 2010 these are the content types on this list. 447 text/plain 18 text/html 5 multipart/mixed 89 multipart/alternative The multipart options are a method of sending both plain text and html as separate parts of the message. They also can contain an attachment as a part that can be referred to, using an html anchor, in the middle of some text - a graph for instance. Clients can choose which parts to display. -- -- In Christianity, man can have only one wife. This is known as monotony. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Is a power inverter safe for laptops and iPods?
At 14:08 -0400 7/14/10, Dan wrote: Best to try things in advance... Yep. And it would be pretty hard to find a power converter that would damage any of today's computer power converters. If it doesn't work don't leave it hooked up too long and pay attention to hot spots that shouldn't be. Cheap converters for automotive cigarette lighters almost always convert to a square wave form of AC power. The voltage changes quickly from +115 volts to -115 volts about 60 times per second. That's quite different from utility power that changes as a smooth sine wave that averages out (in delivered power) to 115 volts. More expensive converters as found in mobile homes do a better job matching the voltage waveform. The internal power converters in computers these days make an effort to avoid drawing current that is not sinusoidal. It's called harmonic suppression and is required in many countries but not in the US of A. When the harmonic suppression circuitry encounters a square wave voltage, which has terrible harmonics to start with, it can get confused and not work properly because it tries to accept current only while the voltage is changing. For a square wave the voltage is only changing for very short periods of time. ftp://ftp.macnauchtan.com/Theory/Harmony_101.pdf Is a piece I wrote a long time ago about it. You'll need to know a little math and electricity but it's pretty short. -- -- Evolution made it possible for mankind to invent religion. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: IBM HDD clicking
At 12:00 -0700 7/9/10, john CARMONNE wrote: For fear of sounding dumb. Just what does a person do with the magnets? Where are they in the drive. One of the reasons for really small disks is that magnets made with rare-earth elements - Neodymium and Lanthanum in particular - can be much stronger than Alnico, soft iron, or ferrites of the past. I believe the alloy of choice for disks these days is Neodymium-Cobalt-Boron. The magnets react with electric current in a coil of wire on the read/write head for positioning along the radius of the disks. It's a lot like a voice coil in a speaker. There is a pivot point near a corner and the magnets will be just inside of that. Those rare earth elements are also finding use in the likes of a Toyota Prius motor/generator in larger quantities. A very real financial problem is showing up in that China is pretty much the only supplier of rare earth elements these days. It will require something like another gold rush to get the US of A up to snuff and I donno about other countries. -- -- From the U S of A, the only socialist country that refuses to admit it. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Goodbye Power Macs! Or: Linux on Power Macs
At 22:53 +0200 7/9/10, Mac User #330250 wrote: From:Doug McNutt dougl...@macnauchtan.com Before you go too far. A couple of questions about Linux on MY 64 Sawtooth What is a 64 Sawtooth? Or do you meen you've 64 (pieces of) Sawtooth_s_? Thanks for sticking around. Damn. I guess I was rushing. Read that MY G4 Sawtooth And Vectorworks is native on the Mac under OS 10. It was MiniCAD under the classic OS. XRandR looks interesting but off topic for this group, I' m on my way. X11 with multiple monitors is mostly screwed up on the G4 because of negative screen coordinates that are allowed in Apple OS but not by UNIX. Things might be better is all monitors are placed to the right and below the (0,0) graphic space which starts at the upper left of the startup screen. -- -- A fair tax is one that you pay but I don't -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Fresh out of ideas on .dmg mounts
Some old notes I wrote down when I was having problems on 10.3.9. I don't remember all of what I tried but here is what I wrote at the time. no mountable file systems Gregory Weston uce RemoveThis @splook.com wrote: Any error messages being reported to the screen or to the console.log file (visible via /Applications/Utilities/Console.app)? i found a workover : move all the prefs file containing 'apple' in the file basename out of ~/Library/Preferences ; restart the computer ; move back to Preferences the preceeding files restart the computer... DiskImageMounter.app works fine now Also someone over a french groups gave me an Apple url for that : http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=305111 then Apple knows about that kind of prob. sudo hdiutil attach /path/to/file.dmg -mount hdiutil convert Desktop/Osmond_Quartz.dmg -format UDRO -o Desktop/UDROOsmond_Quartz.dmg hdiutil attach -nomount Desktop/Osmond_Quartz.dmg -- -- From the U S of A, the only socialist country that refuses to admit it. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Goodbye Power Macs! Or: Linux on Power Macs
At 21:54 +0200 7/5/10, Mac User #330250 wrote: And, sadly: goodbye! Before you go too far. A couple of questions about Linux on MY 64 Sawtooth I'm now using Ubuntu on an Intel, but not Apple, box with a pair of Nvidia flat screens that work like a Mac only because of proprietary drivers from Nvidia. My G4 runs OS neXt with four monitors two of which are still CRTs. How can I work with lots of monitors under Linux? Xinerama is either a POS or I haven't figured it out yet. I use all those monitors for CAD software, Vectorworks 12.5 on my G4 and I can't afford to keep it updated but it runs on Macs and peecees but not under any kind of Linux or UNIX. If I put Linux on my G4 I doubt that I will be able to use all of the screen space. I certainly can't if I use X-11 to log in to my existing Linux box. Are there any open source options for decent computer aided design - circuit boards, electronic schematics, and some machine drawings - available for Linux? I keep looking and even compiling but I haven't found anything I can afford. Yeah. . there are things like Pro-Engineer which are way out of my price range. -- -- From the U S of A, the only socialist country that refuses to admit it. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Fresh out of ideas on .dmg mounts
At 20:42 -0700 7/5/10, John Carmonne wrote: On Jul 5, 2010, at 8:33 PM, Nestamicky wrote: I've spent the whole evening trying to find out the solution to this one. Fresh 10.4.11 install. Completely fresh with all updates that were done immediately after the istall. Then I went first to VLC, then Firefox, then Adium, none of the .dmg files will mount. Console outputs: diskimages-helper: unable to activate drive - error 0xe0002c9 (-536870199). I've repaired permissions. Yes, Bruce J., I hear your chuckle. I had to, I ran out of ideas. Please help, and oh, yes, I tried using Diskutility to mount the .dmgs, and got the same output. Thanks guys. I'd run DiskWarrior on it can't hurt, it usually fixes my stuff like that. John Carmonne I still have a problem on 10.3.9 where I'm stuck. *.dmg files simply won't work when I attempt to open them while logged in as a privileged user. I created a new user with no privileges and he is able to read the *.dmg stuff and decompress it. After that I can login as myself and use the decompressed files to proceed with installations. There must be something in my home directory that should be deleted and allowed to recreate itself but so far, I haven't found it. -- -- From the U S of A, the only socialist country that refuses to admit it. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OSX is a 32-bit operating system?? is this true??
Just because nobody seems to have mentioned it. . . Without multiplexing, 64 bit addressing of external memory requires 64 external pins on the chip. Have you looked at the pins on a modern processor chip? Where would you put 32 more? How about the printed circuit wiring that connects the memory address lines to the bus while keeping all exactly the same electrical length? Someone has properly chosen fewer than all 64 bits until we really need those exabytes. (Or are they exibytes?) -- -- As a citizen of the USA if you see a federal outlay expressed in $billion then multiply it by 4 to approximate your share expressed in dollars. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Importing WmV files to final cut pro
At 20:57 -0400 6/8/10, M Christol wrote: FCP doesn't read .wmv natively. If you have Flip 4 Mac Pro it should work because that is a Quicktime Plug In. If you don't have the Pro version of Flip 4 Mac, it is probably just going to waste your time importing a file with a big ugly watermark. AFAIK, you have to pay money to interpret .wmv on a Mac. I have had some luck on a Linux box using mencoder to expand wmv into avi. A second pass with ffmpeg can then convert the avi to, for me MPEG, but other choices are available. Perhaps not Apple's MOVIE though mencoder is part of mplayer. ffmpeg probably uses some of the code. All should work OK on OS neXt but you would have to install them from source or perhaps through one of the porting systems. You will surely be into operations with Terminal.app. The ffmpeg step will convert images to pixels using a screen-ready intermediate step so it's possible that some fidelity is lost. The command lines I used came from the internet and I don't claim to be an expert. Ask if you would like my notes which are in a text file. wmv and avi are both collector formats. Internally there can be a whole lot of divers encoders in play. The headers somehow identify what will be used and many are proprietary. -- -- A fair tax is one that you pay but I don't -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: They're dead, Jim...
At 00:58 -0400 5/14/10, Richard Gerome wrote, and I snipped: but do not fold up the display screen cord for this may cause a inductive voltage problem and mess up the picture (this happens when guys with the hot rods get engines and the computer and wire harness out of junk yards and the wire harness is too long so they would roll up the wire harness and wire tie it together, then the engine would run really bad and they wouldn't know why) with all those wires running through it and all the different voltages cause it to act like an ignition coil and increase the voltage... Some of you probably wont know what I'm talking about here but for those of you who do know, great!!! Just thought I would add this comment because I see so many people with this mess behind their computer desk... Maybe this could be some of the mysteries for some of the problems with computers messing up??? Sorry if this is off topic, needed to be told... I agree that it needs to be told. There are two different reasons for not twisting up cables. Coaxial cable with a single center conductor carefully kept at the middle of a cylindrical outer shield is used for radio frequency data. If you bend it sharply and hold it that way the center conductor migrates through the polyethylene insulation until it's not centered. That makes for reflections of the electrical signals at the bend and, even worse, can actually short the center conductor to the shield. Good old RG58 and RG59 coax at about 1/4 inch diameter is rated for bend radius no smaller than 2 inches. Video cables use smaller coax but one still has to be careful. Twisted pair cables are not so dependent on positioning of the conductors but they are very dependent on matching of the insulation thickness and the twist rate of the conductors. If either gets changed by tight bending of the cable reflection points are created. When reflected energy gets re-reflected the result is a delay which can interfere with some other data bit because of the speed of light in the cable. Those CAT-5 ethernet cables depend on different twist rates for each pair to minimize magnetic crosstalk between pairs. Running two unshielded CAT-5 cables close to each other is asking for trouble. It all depends on cable length and the data rate. A number worth remembering is that the speed of light in vacuum is about one US foot per nanosecond. For a ten foot cable and a data rate of 100 MHz bit number two arrives at the end about the same time as bit number three is transmitted. As data rates get faster - as with USB yet to be - cable cleanness becomes more and more important. -- -- Marriage and kilo are troubled words. Turmoil results when centuries-old usage is altered in specialized jargon --. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: All program word/character count question
It works great for what it does. Much easier than firing up Word. Now, for lazy ol' me, if I could find the same thing that pops up when I right click instead of mousing ALL THE WAY to the menu bar life would be wonderful. I typically use pbpaste | wc as a command in Terminal.app to count the words and characters on the clipboard. But Terminal is always open and ready on this machine. It would be fairly easy to create an AppleScript application using do shell script which does that with the result that you could copy or COMMAND C the text you're interested in and execute the script. man wc for details. -- -- Give me liberty or give me Obamacare -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Digitizing ?
At 05:23 -0700 4/21/10, John Carmonne wrote: If you use StreamLine and it works well please post the results. I could never get StreamLine to work for me, I'm a CNC machinist and want to scan images of logos and such to cusomize products for cusomers, it'd be so easy if I could get a DXF file from a scan to import to my CAD/CAM system. *** Lemke's Graphic Converter has a convert to lines tool that might be helpful though I have never been able to get the likes of a DXF file from it. It's more like a PICT. From the looks of the pictures the form looks as though it's mostly circular arcs and some text along a curve. I have used Vectorworks (sorry, it's expensive) to import a JPG and put it on a layer. It's then not too hard to find center points of arcs and redraw them on a transparent layer in front of the picture. There are several software techniques for wrapping fonts along a curve. They all depend on an ability to rotate a character by a calculated angle. The Fleur de lis is a bit harder. I can't even remember how to spell it. Once you have the coordinates of arc centers and radii it's quite possible to prepare DXF files with a text editor or a perl script. Start by generating a DXF with your chosen version of Autocad or other compatible CAD program. Put some arcs and things you might need in it to use as samples and start changing them around. Mind the DXF though. The format changes with each version produced by AutoDesk. After that you can program one of the modern embroidery machines to make patches. Good lock with that. I haven't been able to get formatting information for what I know are simple commands sent over a serial port. You're supposed to buy their software and I donwannadodat. -- -- Give me liberty or give me Obamacare -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: I have an idea...
At 18:07 -0400 4/20/10, Mark Sokolovsky wrote: Here's another good question. Is it possible to run Snow Leopard on a PPC machine using virtual PC? If so, where do I download it? I have searched all over google and no flags anywhere. If anyone had a direct site or download link in which i can get Virtual PC 7 for my PPC mac, then post it. I just want to see what my reliable Sawtooth can do compared to my early 2010 intel i7 quad-core iMac. The folks using Linux take proper advantage of, and give proper credit to, programmers willing to help. I am amazed, after reading the book, that X11 graphics are very much like the system calls of the good old MacOS prior to OS neXt. Recovering the COMMAND key of the Mac OS and making ENTER execute a selected UNIX command while RETURN inserts a line end is my current goal but I may never get there. So if you're really interested in making Snow Leopard work on other than current Apple machines please think about Linux. Apple Computer, Inc. changed it's name to Apple, Inc. I'm starting to think they should have changed it to Apple Entertainment, Inc. -- -- A fair tax is one that you pay but I don't -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: I have an idea...
At 04:49 +0300 4/21/10, Baha Ata wrote: And why not make a Firefox browser for Mac OS 9... Are you, and everyone else, aware of Classilla? http://www.floodgap.com/software/classilla/ -- -- Give me liberty or give me Obamacare -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Need some help please
At 09:00 -0700 3/10/10, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Mar 9, 2010, at 9:31 PM, Derek Jones wrote: My Power Mac G4 keeps making this whining noise when I try to use it, I think It has something to do with the hard drive, but I'm not sure. Any help would be appreciated, thank you. My sawtooth G4 has a recurring problem that fits your description. It's the fan on the ATI AGP video board. Easy test is to stick your finger, carefully, on the fan. If the sound goes away you got it. If the fan bites your finger off it's something else. I have been taking the tape of the fan about once a year and applying a tiny drop of gun oil. It's a thin 40 mm square thing and so far I haven't seen a replacement on the el-cheapo electronics stores. -- -- From the U S of A, the only socialist country that refuses to admit it. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: what internet browser to use.
At 04:02 -0600 3/8/10, Kris Tilford wrote: In OS 9, you need WaMCom 1.3.1 from here: http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macos/20136vid=109103 Have a look at: http://www.floodgap.com/software/classilla/releases/ for improvements to WaMCom for OS 9.1 and the more modern web. -- -- In Christianity, man can have only one wife. This is known as monotony. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Airport extreme - How to extend my network?
I can't believe that no one has mentioned the Pringle's can antenna. It was a big deal when 802.11 first became popular and folks were reporting a couple of miles across a lake. one on each mobile home rooftop pointer at each other ought to work pretty well. It must be Googleable. Pringle can antenna -- -- From the U S of A, the only socialist country that refuses to admit it. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Airport extreme - How to extend my network?
At 13:18 -0500 3/8/10, John Musbach wrote: Basically, in lower power access points--like consumer Apple airport base stations the signal is broadcast in a circular fashion around the base station. But as the power increases, the signal becomes more and more narrow until at the highest powers the signal is simply broadcast in a line from the access point to the receiving end. At least that's how I understand it. There are government rules about transmitted power. And they really are necessary to prevent spoiling the whole idea of RF connection for others. So, given that the power is limited, the way to increase apparent power for specific usage is to use an antenna that concentrates energy in a beam. As long as the receiver is in the beam it's a good way to get better communication without violating the rules. A bussword is antenna gain which measures the ratio of directed power to a simple dipole antenna which radiates a disk or to, as dbi, an impossible antenna that radiates equally in all directions of 3D space. -- - The US of A is getting pelloreid - -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 5v power adapters
At 10:07 -0700 2/9/10, Bruce Johnson wrote, and I snipped: To a point you can connect a device to the correct voltage and a higher amperage and everything will work just fine. That to a point can be significant, though probably not for computer peripherals that need the supply connected all of the time. There are devices with an internal rechargeable battery that depend on the current limit of the wall wart. There is a danger of charging a battery so fast that it overheats and fails when a wall wart with too high a current limit is used. Yeah, I know that the current limit ought to be built into the device, but that takes two transistors and a resistor and that most important design criterion remains - cheap. And while I'm at it there are too many of those cylindrical connectors in the world. The plus and minus leads are often not specified and you may not know if a device needs positive on the center or the outside. There is also a pair, 3.2 mm comes to mind, where there are two different designs that have different diameters for the inside pin. If you have the wrong one it can seem to fit but the pin carefully fails to contact the inside sleeve of the mate. It's a good thing I don't have much hair on top or I would have pulled it all out the last time I got hit by that one. -- - The US of A is getting pelloreid - -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Good simple graphics/art/publishing app?
At 14:18 -0500 2/4/10, graphics...@columbus.rr.com wrote: Meghrouni Vince foomc...@sbcglobal.net wrote: = Needed: An app with which to create/design flyers and posters in which images and text can be manipulated, that doesn't cost an arm and aleg. Not for for-hire professional graphics, but for small business promotion (musician/band). === good luck with that. How about MacDraw? Surely Apple still offers an version that runs on OS neXt. -- -- From the U S of A, the only socialist country that refuses to admit it. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Leaving the group
On top: Below is the list sent to me. It never ceases to amaze me that modern mail clients manage to suppress information that folks really need to perform such things as an unsubscribe request. But then we're sorry to see you go. Live long and prosper. If you do the List-Unsubscribe: thing be sure to answer the confirming email you'll receive. That's to protect you from malicious hackers. At 19:53 + 2/2/10, John Wilson wrote: List-Subscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list/subscribe?hl=en_US, mailto:g3-5-list+subscr...@googlegroups.com List-Unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list/subscribe?hl=en_US, mailto:g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com Reluctantly leaving the group so as to stop the 30 or so daily emails I never signed up for At least I will if I can find a way to leave. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtmlhttp://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtmlhttp://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-listhttp://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- - The US of A is getting pelloreid - -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Question: What Are They?
At 20:54 -0600 1/31/10, Stephen Conrad wrote: I have 3 things you plug into your computer that look like USB on one end. The other end has 6 pins and a black square pin in the middle Two are a light purple, one is green (1 2 are purple, #3 is green) 1) Has a KB pic near the pin plugin end and a 3 prong thing near the other end 2) - (arrow) on the pin end and a KB on the other end 3) Mouse on the pin end and 3 prong thing near the other end It sounds like an adapter for a Windoze keyboard to a USB port. Almost surely not operational on a Mac. -- - The US of A is getting pelloreid - -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Holy File Listing, BBatman!
At 11:41 -0700 1/29/10, Bruce Johnson wrote: This may be a 'No duh!' moment to some of you, but I just found something amazing in BBEdit. If you're in terminal or TextEdit, you can drag the folder or volume icon off of a Finder window to drop the path of that folder into the terminal window. for example: /Developer/Headers If you're using BBEdit, it produces a neatly indented file tree listing of every file and folder in the folder you drag over: BBEdit worksheets also work the same way MPW does. Drags result in a path and will be a full or partial path depending on the current working directory for the worksheet. -- - The US of A is getting pelloreid - -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Mac OS 10.3 to 10.4 or 10.5?
At 09:26 -0800 1/15/10, stevo137 wrote: I have a G4 mac, 400 Mb processor, 1 gb memory. It has a os 10.3 panther Os. Can I upgrade to 10.5 or do I have to upgrade to 10.4 tiger? If you have any other older Macs around be careful about upgrading above 10.3.9. Tiger (10.4) terminates the ability to access any Mac operating less than 8.5 or so using the AppleTalk filing protocols over ethernet. I had to back out my G4-400 to keep my SE/30 file server operational. This 8500 running 9.1 spoke to OS 10.4 but I avoid trying to use it as a file server even with 10.3.9. The only thing I miss is the extensive improvements to X-11 in newer Mac OS X's. 10.5 does not repair the damage though I'm pretty sure it can be used on your G4. -- Applescript syntax is like English spelling: Roughly, though not thoroughly, thought through. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
