Re: [gentoo-user] Gaim MSN

2003-10-13 Thread Patrick Marquetecken
I can't also login with Gaim here in Belgium


On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 23:11, SMS WebMaster wrote:
 Hi
 
 Did anyone able to login MSN by Gaim in the past 4 days ?
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Re: [gentoo-user] Can't load 3c59x after kernel update

2003-10-13 Thread Sami Salonen
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Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 1:31 AM
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Can't load 3c59x after kernel update


 On Sun, Oct 12, 2003 at 11:29:51PM +0300, Sami Salonen wrote:
  Hi,
 
  I have recently installed Gentoo on my computer and have been a very
  happy user ever since, except...
 
  Today I finally had time to start configuring a firewall - I have an
  PPPoE connection and it's been working ok. I recompiled the kernel
  (enabled network packet filtering and stuff) but after installing
the
  new kernel and rebooting the kernel can not load 3c59x any more.
 
  modprobe 3c59x says:
 
  /lib/modules/2.4.20-gentoo-r7/kernel/drivers/net/3c59x.o: unresolved
 

  Any ideas what's gone wrong?

 Did you change from a SMP kernel to a non-SMP kernel or vice versa? In
that
 case 'make dep, make clean, ' is not enough. You need a 'make
mrproper'.
 Failing to do this results in such error messages.

No, I didn't change - I also ran 'make mrproper' in the first place.

However, it seems that I found the problem - I had screwed up somehow
with lilo (I guess I forgot to run /sbin/lilo after replacing the
kernel) and after doing

cd /usr/src/linux
cp .config ~/
make mrproper
cp ~/.config .
make menuconfig
make dep  make clean bzImage modules modules_install
cp arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/kernel-new
[adding a new section to /etc/lilo.conf]
/sbin/lilo

everything was fine (I'm newbie when it comes to compiling a new kernel
- not sure whether the procedure described above is what's exactly
needed).

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Re: [gentoo-user] compiling new kernels

2003-10-13 Thread Claus Ladekjær Wilson

When I compile new kernels I do 
cat /proc/config  .config
in the kernel root directory (for instance linux-2.4.22)
And then the rest of the work
make dep bzImage modules modules_install
cp bzImage-location /boot
mv /boot/bzImage a proper name for instance kernel-2.4.22)
And then I use this name for an entrance in lilo.conf (no initrd required)





Søndag den 12. oktober 2003 05:51 skrev a park:
 when i emerge a new kernel to compile, does the /etc/kernel/default-config
 get replaced?

 when i genkernel --config does the /etc/kernel/default-config get
 overwritten?

 does genkernel make use of make.conf when compiling kernels?

 when does the /usr/src/linux/.config get written to?

 i'm currently using the gentoo gaming-source, because my nforce2 board was
 having problems with gentoo-source.  i just found out that the kernel did
 not have usb printing enabled, so i'm interested in compiling a different
 kernel possibly 2.4.22 (any thoughts on this and nforce2 mboard?)  i want
 to preserve my config files for each of the kernels that i compile, just in
 case i have to go back and recompile it...  any suggestions...

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[gentoo-user] Newbie New Install Problems

2003-10-13 Thread A. S. Budden
Hi there,

I've just installed Gentoo on my laptop, following the install
instructions from the website.  However, I've got a few problems that
I'm not sure what to do about (this is the first time I've done anything
this complicated -- used redhat 9 before).

Firstly, in my grub.conf I have vga=791 on the end of the kernel line,
as I have in RH, but it doesn't seem to do anything at all.

Secondly, when I log on (this doesn't happen if I log on as root), I get
a long list of lines like:

modprobe: Can't locate module /dev/cdwriter
modprobe: Can't locate module * which is needed for /dev/scsi/*

etc etc etc

I can't find this in /var/log anywhere, so I can't reproduce the whole
list -- at least half of it scrolls off the top of the screen before I
would have a chance to type it all out.

I get a similar set of messages when I log out again.

Thirdly, when I boot up, as soon as the kernel starts, I get the
following:

kernel (hd0,2)/boot/bzImage root=/dev/hda6 vga=791
[Linux-bzImage, setup=0x1400, size=0x131b7d]

You passed an undefined mode number.
Press RETURN to see video modes available, SPACE to continue or wait 30 secs

Video adapter: VESA VGA
Mode:COLSxROWS:
0  0F00  80x25
..
..
6  0F07  80x60

Enter mode number of 'scan'

Finally, I get the following before the logon process.

Loading module e100
Failed to load e100

[snip]

 * Setting system clock to hardware clock [UTC]...
modprobe: Can't locate module /dev/rtc
modprobe: Can't locate module /dev/misc/rtc
modprobe: Can't locate module /dev/rtc
modprobe: Can't locate module /dev/misc/rtc
 * Configuring kernel parameters...  [ ok ]

[snip]

 * Bringing eth0 up...[ ok ]

(I have done an emerge e100).  The network works anyway.

Can anyone suggest what I might have done wrong?  I apologise for the
random order of all this.

Many thanks in advance,

Al

P.S. If it helps at all, I did a stage 1 install and the kernel
configuration is included below:


#
# Automatically generated by make menuconfig: don't edit
#
CONFIG_X86=y
# CONFIG_SBUS is not set
CONFIG_UID16=y

#
# Code maturity level options
#
CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL=y

#
# Loadable module support
#
CONFIG_MODULES=y
CONFIG_MODVERSIONS=y
CONFIG_KMOD=y

#
# Processor type and features
#
# CONFIG_LOLAT is not set
# CONFIG_LOLAT_SYSCTL is not set
CONFIG_M386=y
# CONFIG_M486 is not set
# CONFIG_M586 is not set
# CONFIG_M586TSC is not set
# CONFIG_M586MMX is not set
# CONFIG_M586MMX31 is not set
# CONFIG_M686 is not set
# CONFIG_MPPRO31 is not set
# CONFIG_M68631 is not set
# CONFIG_MPENTIUMIII is not set
# CONFIG_MPENTIUMIII31 is not set
# CONFIG_MPENTIUM4 is not set
# CONFIG_MPENTIUM431 is not set
# CONFIG_MK6 is not set
# CONFIG_MK6231 is not set
# CONFIG_MK7 is not set
# CONFIG_MK731 is not set
# CONFIG_MXP31 is not set
# CONFIG_MMP31 is not set
# CONFIG_MELAN is not set
# CONFIG_MCRUSOE is not set
# CONFIG_MWINCHIPC6 is not set
# CONFIG_MWINCHIP2 is not set
# CONFIG_MWINCHIP3D is not set
# CONFIG_MCYRIXIII is not set
# CONFIG_X86_CMPXCHG is not set
# CONFIG_X86_XADD is not set
CONFIG_X86_L1_CACHE_SHIFT=4
CONFIG_RWSEM_GENERIC_SPINLOCK=y
# CONFIG_RWSEM_XCHGADD_ALGORITHM is not set
CONFIG_X86_PPRO_FENCE=y
# CONFIG_X86_F00F_WORKS_OK is not set
# CONFIG_X86_MCE is not set
CONFIG_TOSHIBA=m
CONFIG_I8K=m
# CONFIG_MICROCODE is not set
# CONFIG_X86_MSR is not set
# CONFIG_X86_CPUID is not set
CONFIG_NOHIGHMEM=y
# CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G is not set
# CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G is not set
# CONFIG_HIGHMEM is not set
CONFIG_1GB=y
# CONFIG_2GB is not set
# CONFIG_3GB is not set
# CONFIG_05GB is not set
# CONFIG_MATH_EMULATION is not set
CONFIG_MTRR=y
# CONFIG_SMP is not set
# CONFIG_PREEMPT is not set
# CONFIG_X86_UP_APIC is not set
# CONFIG_X86_UP_IOAPIC is not set
# CONFIG_X86_TSC_DISABLE is not set

#
# General setup
#
CONFIG_HZ=200
CONFIG_NET=y
CONFIG_PCI=y
# CONFIG_PCI_GOBIOS is not set
# CONFIG_PCI_GODIRECT is not set
CONFIG_PCI_GOANY=y
CONFIG_PCI_BIOS=y
CONFIG_PCI_DIRECT=y
CONFIG_ISA=y
CONFIG_PCI_NAMES=y
# CONFIG_EISA is not set
# CONFIG_MCA is not set
CONFIG_HOTPLUG=y

#
# PCMCIA/CardBus support
#
# CONFIG_PCMCIA is not set

#
# PCI Hotplug Support
#
# CONFIG_HOTPLUG_PCI is not set
# CONFIG_HOTPLUG_PCI_COMPAQ is not set
# CONFIG_HOTPLUG_PCI_COMPAQ_NVRAM is not set
# CONFIG_HOTPLUG_PCI_ACPI is not set
CONFIG_SYSVIPC=y
# CONFIG_BSD_PROCESS_ACCT is not set
CONFIG_SYSCTL=y
CONFIG_KCORE_ELF=y
# CONFIG_KCORE_AOUT is not set
CONFIG_BINFMT_AOUT=y
CONFIG_BINFMT_ELF=y
CONFIG_BINFMT_MISC=y
# CONFIG_SYSTRACE is not set
CONFIG_PM=y
CONFIG_APM=m
CONFIG_APM_IGNORE_USER_SUSPEND=y
CONFIG_APM_DO_ENABLE=y
CONFIG_APM_CPU_IDLE=y
CONFIG_APM_DISPLAY_BLANK=y
CONFIG_APM_RTC_IS_GMT=y
CONFIG_APM_ALLOW_INTS=y
CONFIG_APM_REAL_MODE_POWER_OFF=y

#
# ACPI Support
#
CONFIG_ACPI=y
CONFIG_ACPI_BOOT=y
CONFIG_ACPI_BUS=y
CONFIG_ACPI_INTERPRETER=y
CONFIG_ACPI_EC=y
CONFIG_ACPI_POWER=y
CONFIG_ACPI_PCI=y
CONFIG_ACPI_SLEEP=y
CONFIG_ACPI_SYSTEM=y
CONFIG_ACPI_AC=m
CONFIG_ACPI_BATTERY=m

Re: [gentoo-user] out of the blue, sound problems

2003-10-13 Thread Barry Marler
Reinstalled ALSA, and now everything's good :).

On 21:58 Sun 12 Oct , Brett I. Holcomb wrote:
 Did they get muted?  Try running alsamixer and see what you get.
 
 On Sunday 12 October 2003 19:57, you wrote:
  Yeah, everything's unmuted.  It all looks good, but nothing's coming out
  of the speakers:
 
  starbaby (~) $ aplay space.wav
  Playing WAVE 'space.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 22050 Hz,
  Mono
 
  Can't here it.  Emerged the xmmx ALSA module, switched to it, no go.
  I'm really stumped.
 
  On 23:47 Sun 12 Oct , Patrick B?rjesson wrote:
   Sorry for replying to my own post, but before you try out OSS-emulation
   you might want to check so that the mixer aren't set to mute... Emerge
   aumix and check the settings before doing anything else...
  
 :(

 Followed the Gentoo ALSA Guide; now there's no sound.
   
Did you try ALSA's OSS-emulation? That's what I have configured on my
system since some programs don't support ALSA yet. The packages
related to ALSA that are installed on my system (according to qpkg) is
the following:
media-libs/alsa-lib
media-libs/alsa-oss
media-sound/alsa-driver
   
The modules I autoload on startup are these:
snd-emu10k1
snd-pcm-oss
snd-mixer-oss
snd-seq-oss
  
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Re: [gentoo-user] Gaim MSN

2003-10-13 Thread SMS WebMaster
I am in Saudi Arabia and I can't login to MSN by Gaim like you

The problem is from Gaim because I can login with Kmess

The message error is : Error reading from server

Patrick Marquetecken wrote:
I can't also login with Gaim here in Belgium

On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 23:11, SMS WebMaster wrote:

Hi

Did anyone able to login MSN by Gaim in the past 4 days ?


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[gentoo-user] COUNTER file

2003-10-13 Thread SMS WebMaster
After upgrading to gnome 2.4 now everytime I emerge any program I got at 
the end :

['gnome-base/gnome-applets', '2.2.2', 'r0'] 
['gnome-base/gnome-applets-2.2.2', 'gnome-base/gnome-applets-2.4.0']
!!! COUNTER file is missing for gnome-base/gnome-applets-2.2.2 in /var/db.
!!! Please run /usr/lib/portage/bin/fix-db.pl or remerge the package.

IF I run /usr/lib/portage/bin/fix-db.pl I got :

Grabbing db contents...
Grabbing mtimes...
fix-db: fatal: insufficient data for app-dicts/dictd-dicts-1.0
Remove this package's directory from /var/db/pkg to fix this, then start 
this
script again. If everything worked correctly, you must remerge
app-dicts/dictd-dicts-1.0 to not mess up any dependencies.



Any Help ? (nothing in google/gentoo.org)

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Re: [gentoo-user] COUNTER file

2003-10-13 Thread Mike Williams
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On Tuesday 14 October 2003 09:49, SMS WebMaster wrote:
 After upgrading to gnome 2.4 now everytime I emerge any program I got at
 the end :

 ['gnome-base/gnome-applets', '2.2.2', 'r0']
 ['gnome-base/gnome-applets-2.2.2', 'gnome-base/gnome-applets-2.4.0']
 !!! COUNTER file is missing for gnome-base/gnome-applets-2.2.2 in /var/db.
 !!! Please run /usr/lib/portage/bin/fix-db.pl or remerge the package.

 IF I run /usr/lib/portage/bin/fix-db.pl I got :

 Grabbing db contents...
 Grabbing mtimes...
 fix-db: fatal: insufficient data for app-dicts/dictd-dicts-1.0

 Remove this package's directory from /var/db/pkg to fix this, then start
 this
 script again. If everything worked correctly, you must remerge
 app-dicts/dictd-dicts-1.0 to not mess up any dependencies.

 Any Help ? (nothing in google/gentoo.org)

Remove the directory, and gnome-applets-2.2.2, and any others that complain in 
the same way later.
If you have them installed, install them again afterwards, otherwise your 
done.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Problem on booting after installation.

2003-10-13 Thread Stephen Liu
Hi Barry

# mount -t ext2 (ext3 or dos)  /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy
mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/fd0, or 
too many mounted file systems
I also tried
# mount  /mnt/floppy  with no result

You must specify the correct fs type.  For a Windows floppy:  mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy
 

I found out the trick.  I could not read the bookdisk disregarding 
whichever command issued such as;

# mount /mnt/floppy
# mount -t vfat/ext2/ext3  /dev/fd0  /mnt/floppy
etc.
I can mount and read a floppy prepared on another Linux box
# mount /mnt/floppy
or
# mount -t vfat  /dev/fd0  /mnt/floppy
My /etc/fstab

/dev/fd0  /mnt/floppy  autonoauto, owner, kudzu
(I have this line  proc   /proc   proc   default
whether I need it)
However  '/boot/grub/grub.conf' disappears, both the folder 
'grub' and 'grub.conf'

# updatedb
# locate grub.conf
/usr/share/doc/grub-0.93.20030118/grub.conf.sample.gz
Could not find it ! There is nothing under /boot/
   

Gentoo doesn't mount /boot by default.  You have to mount it (as root).
 

Noted with thanks

3) I could not connect broadband

My  /etc/conf.d/net
iface_eth1=dhcp   (only one line.  only one ethernet card)
# adsl-setup  (tried as ROOT and Super ROOT)
- bash: adsl-setup: command not found
# neat
- bash: neat: command not found
   

How did you boot it?  Also, if you have only 1 nic, you device is eth0.
 

Problem solved.  I re-do following procedures

# emerge -k xfsprogs
# rc-update add net.eth0 default
# ln -s net.eth0 net.ethx
# rc-update add net.ethx default
The denotation of my NIC is eth1.  Because previously I have 2 NICs on 
this box and I removed eth0

Now 'adsl-start' can connect broadband

- snip -

a) What are following lines used for

starbaby (~) $ sudo mount /dev/hdb1 /boot
starbaby (~) $ cat /boot/grub/grub.conf
   

sudo allows certain users to execute certain root commands (emerge app-admin/sudo, 
then
man sudo) .  I just mounted /boot (not mounted by default, as per above), and read 
grub.conf to stdout
Why you use (hd1,0) not (hd0,0) ?

Because my /boot is on the 1st partition of my 2nd hd.  Grub uses formal computer
science parlance, i.e., the first device (or whatever) is 0, the 2nd, 1, etc. 
 

Noted with thanks

I still have following problem unsolved.

1) At time of installation
Installing additional hardware-specific ebuilds
# emerge emuk10k1
(Creative Sound Blaster Live!/Audigy support)
It took more 2 hours without completion.  The screen was still moving.  
Finally I rebooted the PC by pressing Ctrl+Alt+Del

2) At time of installation

emerge -k xfree

Problem and solution same as above

3) After reboot the PC
# emerge -k kde
Problem and solution same as above.

# which kde
could not find it
All download times were very short and the installation time was too long.  
The screen continued moving 'writing file/fonts, deleting file/fonts, etc.'

4) The bootdisk can't boot automatically.  It prompted
grub
'boot + ENTER' can't help.  I have no idea how to proceed further.

B.R.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Gaim MSN

2003-10-13 Thread drewbian
Looks like Microsoft is set to break third party clients real soon
anyhows
http://gaim.sourceforge.net/msn.php


On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 18:29, SMS WebMaster wrote:
 I am in Saudi Arabia and I can't login to MSN by Gaim like you
 
 The problem is from Gaim because I can login with Kmess
 
 The message error is : Error reading from server
 
 
 Patrick Marquetecken wrote:
  I can't also login with Gaim here in Belgium
  
  
  On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 23:11, SMS WebMaster wrote:
  
 Hi
 
 Did anyone able to login MSN by Gaim in the past 4 days ?
 


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Re: [gentoo-user] Gaim MSN

2003-10-13 Thread SMS WebMaster
No no this problem from Gaim 0.70

check http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=944838forum_id=665

drewbian wrote:
Looks like Microsoft is set to break third party clients real soon
anyhows
http://gaim.sourceforge.net/msn.php
On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 18:29, SMS WebMaster wrote:

I am in Saudi Arabia and I can't login to MSN by Gaim like you

The problem is from Gaim because I can login with Kmess

The message error is : Error reading from server

Patrick Marquetecken wrote:

I can't also login with Gaim here in Belgium

On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 23:11, SMS WebMaster wrote:


Hi

Did anyone able to login MSN by Gaim in the past 4 days ?



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Re[2]: [gentoo-user] Gaim MSN

2003-10-13 Thread ex1st
Hello Patrick,

Monday, October 13, 2003, 11:25:57 AM, you wrote:

PM Well i'm asking indeed my friends to use IRC.


PM On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 11:16, drewbian wrote:
 Looks like Microsoft is set to break third party clients real soon
 anyhows
 http://gaim.sourceforge.net/msn.php
 
 
 On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 18:29, SMS WebMaster wrote:
  I am in Saudi Arabia and I can't login to MSN by Gaim like you
  
  The problem is from Gaim because I can login with Kmess
  
  The message error is : Error reading from server
  
  
  Patrick Marquetecken wrote:
   I can't also login with Gaim here in Belgium
   
   
   On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 23:11, SMS WebMaster wrote:
   
  Hi
  
  Did anyone able to login MSN by Gaim in the past 4 days ?
  
 
 
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Re: [gentoo-user] prelinking KDE

2003-10-13 Thread Christian Herzyk
Stroller wrote:

On 11 Oct 2003, at 9:58 pm, Jerry McBride wrote:

On Saturday 11 October 2003 05:28 pm, SMS WebMaster wrote:

Hi

Eveytime I hear about prelink I hear about KDE

Does this mean prelink will not work with GNOME ?

I am a GNOME user and I think I will try to prelinking my system
  but I am afraid it will break my system


There used to be tremendous performance gains by running prelink 
across ones
KDE installation... but since KDE 3.1.x... the programming efforts of 
the KDE
team really shines and prelinking isn't all that necessary any more.


Gaaa! I just emerged KDE 3.1.4 the other day  it's sill slow as sin 
on my little PII 400 laptop with only 64meg..!
I'd really like it to be faster, as it's my favorite Linux environment 
- none of the screenshots I've seen of lightweight WMs appeal to me.

I'm recompiling glibc with prelinking support at the moment - I think 
I'm then likely to have to recompile all my libraries before prelink 
will work. Is it worth the effort..? I think I've got to try, now I've 
started.

Stroller.

What do you expect form your machine? The CPU is by now quite old, but 
should be able to manage KDE quite fine though.
The problem is your RAM. With 64MB your RAM will probably be filled with 
the usual linux stuff and KDE. I guess even without starting anything 
else your laptop will have to start swapping things out.
I tried to run Knoppix (OK I know it need more RAM) on a PC quite 
similar to your setup and it was REALLY slow (around 5 minutes startup time)
Adding 128MB of RAM helped a lot though. I recommend you do the same if 
you want to continue using KDE.

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Re: [gentoo-user] prelinking KDE

2003-10-13 Thread Joshua Banks
Yes.. Linux loves as much memeroy as you can throw at it.. I went from 64Megs to 
512Megs and their
was a night and day difference. KDE alone is a huge resource hog. Add anything else 
and you'll be
using your swap to its full potential and this is where things get really slow. Adding 
more memory
is worth the cost. You will see..trust what the list is telling you here.

JBanks

--- Christian Herzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Stroller wrote:
 
 
  On 11 Oct 2003, at 9:58 pm, Jerry McBride wrote:
 
  On Saturday 11 October 2003 05:28 pm, SMS WebMaster wrote:
 
  Hi
 
  Eveytime I hear about prelink I hear about KDE
 
  Does this mean prelink will not work with GNOME ?
 
 
  I am a GNOME user and I think I will try to prelinking my system
but I am afraid it will break my system
 
 
  There used to be tremendous performance gains by running prelink 
  across ones
  KDE installation... but since KDE 3.1.x... the programming efforts of 
  the KDE
  team really shines and prelinking isn't all that necessary any more.
 
 
  Gaaa! I just emerged KDE 3.1.4 the other day  it's sill slow as sin 
  on my little PII 400 laptop with only 64meg..!
  I'd really like it to be faster, as it's my favorite Linux environment 
  - none of the screenshots I've seen of lightweight WMs appeal to me.
 
  I'm recompiling glibc with prelinking support at the moment - I think 
  I'm then likely to have to recompile all my libraries before prelink 
  will work. Is it worth the effort..? I think I've got to try, now I've 
  started.
 
  Stroller.
 
 What do you expect form your machine? The CPU is by now quite old, but 
 should be able to manage KDE quite fine though.
 The problem is your RAM. With 64MB your RAM will probably be filled with 
 the usual linux stuff and KDE. I guess even without starting anything 
 else your laptop will have to start swapping things out.
 I tried to run Knoppix (OK I know it need more RAM) on a PC quite 
 similar to your setup and it was REALLY slow (around 5 minutes startup time)
 Adding 128MB of RAM helped a lot though. I recommend you do the same if 
 you want to continue using KDE.
 
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Re[2]: [gentoo-user] prelinking KDE

2003-10-13 Thread ex1st
JB Yes.. Linux loves as much memeroy as you can throw at it.. I went from 64Megs to 
512Megs and their
JB was a night and day difference. KDE alone is a huge resource hog. Add anything 
else and you'll be
JB using your swap to its full potential and this is where things get really slow. 
Adding more memory
JB is worth the cost. You will see..trust what the list is telling you here.

JB JBanks

JB --- Christian Herzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Stroller wrote:
 
 
  On 11 Oct 2003, at 9:58 pm, Jerry McBride wrote:
 
  On Saturday 11 October 2003 05:28 pm, SMS WebMaster wrote:
 
  Hi
 
  Eveytime I hear about prelink I hear about KDE
 
  Does this mean prelink will not work with GNOME ?
 
 
  I am a GNOME user and I think I will try to prelinking my system
but I am afraid it will break my system
 
 
  There used to be tremendous performance gains by running prelink 
  across ones
  KDE installation... but since KDE 3.1.x... the programming efforts of 
  the KDE
  team really shines and prelinking isn't all that necessary any more.
 
 
  Gaaa! I just emerged KDE 3.1.4 the other day  it's sill slow as sin 
  on my little PII 400 laptop with only 64meg..!
  I'd really like it to be faster, as it's my favorite Linux environment 
  - none of the screenshots I've seen of lightweight WMs appeal to me.
 
  I'm recompiling glibc with prelinking support at the moment - I think 
  I'm then likely to have to recompile all my libraries before prelink 
  will work. Is it worth the effort..? I think I've got to try, now I've 
  started.
 
  Stroller.
 
 What do you expect form your machine? The CPU is by now quite old, but 
 should be able to manage KDE quite fine though.
 The problem is your RAM. With 64MB your RAM will probably be filled with 
 the usual linux stuff and KDE. I guess even without starting anything 
 else your laptop will have to start swapping things out.
 I tried to run Knoppix (OK I know it need more RAM) on a PC quite 
 similar to your setup and it was REALLY slow (around 5 minutes startup time)
 Adding 128MB of RAM helped a lot though. I recommend you do the same if 
 you want to continue using KDE.
 
 Christian
 
 
 
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[gentoo-user] Running mulitiple Window Mangers/Desktops?

2003-10-13 Thread Joshua Banks
Hello,

Right now I'm using XFree 4.3.0r3, KDE 3.1.4 and KDM in /etc/rc.conf Does this mean 
that XFree
is my window manger and KDE is an extension of XFree?

Since I have plenty of space on my HD I would like to start experimenting with other
WM's/Desktops.

My question is:

What specifically is the difference between WindowMangers and Desktops? When I go here,
http://xwinman.org/index.html they're listed as two separate entities. I've always 
thought of
these as one in the same.

The reason that I'm asking this is because I would like to load XFce, Gnome, desktops 
and have the
abliity to choose which desktop that I use when I get my LOGIN promtp with KDM.

If I load XFce and Gnome will these automatically show up listed in KDM as a choose to 
login to?
Or do I need to do anything to /etc/rc.conf

Thanks,
JBanks

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Re: [gentoo-user] Running mulitiple Window Mangers/Desktops?

2003-10-13 Thread Davide Brini
On Monday 13 October 2003 12:26, Joshua Banks wrote:

 My question is:

 What specifically is the difference between WindowMangers and Desktops?
 When I go here, http://xwinman.org/index.html they're listed as two
 separate entities. I've always thought of these as one in the same.

Not-too-specific answer:

Desktop managers are more Windoze-like, meaning that they tend to be more 
complete and control many parts of the graphic enviroment. A desktop 
environment has its own window manager. Furthermore, DEs often provide a lot 
of complementary software and utilities, whereas window managers are more 
bare bone, ie, they only give you the basic tools to work (panel, desktop 
and little more). Some say that WMs give you more freedom, but that's a 
matter of personal taste.

 The reason that I'm asking this is because I would like to load XFce,
 Gnome, desktops and have the abliity to choose which desktop that I use
 when I get my LOGIN promtp with KDM.

 If I load XFce and Gnome will these automatically show up listed in KDM as
 a choose to login to? Or do I need to do anything to /etc/rc.conf

I don't think it will work that way.
Maybe you can emerge selectwm.

The page for the project is:
http://ordiluc.net/selectwm

look there before trying it.

I've used it and it works fine: I had gnome, kde, icewm, windowmaker, fvwm2 
and blackbox at the same time (wasting a lot of disk space, though :).

NOTE: I don't use graphical login (KDM, GDM and similar), so I don't know if 
selectwm works fine in that situation.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Running mulitiple Window Mangers/Desktops?

2003-10-13 Thread Harald Arnesen
Joshua Banks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 If I load XFce and Gnome will these automatically show up listed in
 KDM as a choose to login to?

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Re: [gentoo-user] prelinking KDE

2003-10-13 Thread Stroller
On 13 Oct 2003, at 10:43 am, Christian Herzyk wrote:
Stroller wrote:
on 11 Oct 2003, at 9:58 pm, Jerry McBride wrote:
There used to be tremendous performance gains by running prelink 
across ones
KDE installation... but since KDE 3.1.x... the programming efforts 
of the KDE
team really shines and prelinking isn't all that necessary any more.
Gaaa! I just emerged KDE 3.1.4 the other day  it's sill slow as sin 
on my little PII 400 laptop with only 64meg..!
I'd really like it to be faster, as it's my favorite Linux 
environment - none of the screenshots I've seen of lightweight WMs 
appeal to me.

I'm recompiling glibc with prelinking support at the moment - I think 
I'm then likely to have to recompile all my libraries before prelink 
will work. Is it worth the effort..? I think I've got to try, now 
I've started.

Stroller.

What do you expect form your machine? The CPU is by now quite old, but 
should be able to manage KDE quite fine though.
The problem is your RAM. With 64MB your RAM will probably be filled 
with the usual linux stuff and KDE. I guess even without starting 
anything else your laptop will have to start swapping things out.
I tried to run Knoppix (OK I know it need more RAM) on a PC quite 
similar to your setup and it was REALLY slow (around 5 minutes startup 
time)
Adding 128MB of RAM helped a lot though. I recommend you do the same 
if you want to continue using KDE.
Perhaps you're right that I have unreasonable expectations of this 
machine - I've never had a machine with so little memory before (or at 
least, not since I upgraded from my first Pentium 150 which had 32meg). 
My expectations were that, as a Pentium II it should be adequate  that 
KDE should just work - right now it's unusable.

Unfortunately the cost of memory for these little Vaios is quite 
prohibitive - after about 45 minutes Googling I've managed to find a UK 
supplier - he wants £120 for an additional 64meg (the maximum this 
machine will take).

I'll have to ponder further whether that's a good investment.

Stroller.

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Re: [gentoo-user] prelinking KDE

2003-10-13 Thread A. S. Budden
Thus spake Stroller:
 Unfortunately the cost of memory for these little Vaios is quite 
 prohibitive - after about 45 minutes Googling I've managed to find a UK 
 supplier - he wants £120 for an additional 64meg (the maximum this 
 machine will take).

It does of course depend on which Vaio you've got, but I've just
upgraded my R600 from 128MB to 384MB.  Bought the memory for 75 quid
from www.crucial.com/uk

128MB was 35 quid for either this laptop or my old one (Z600)

Just thought there might be a chance it'd be cheaper than wherever you
tried.

Hope that helps,

Al

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[gentoo-user] fluxbox background troubles

2003-10-13 Thread Matthew Daubenspeck
I was using fluxbox-0.1.14-r2 for ages and had no desktop background
troubles. I finally upgraded commonbox-utils to 0.5 and it borked the
works. It looks like commonbox-utils-0.5 no longer uses bsetbg, but
something called fbsetbg. This is fine, but everytime I try to set the
background I get:

/usr/bin/fbsetbg -C ./foo.jpg
Something went wrong while setting the wallpaper.
Run 'Esetroot $center ./foo.jpg' from an xterm to find out what.

Ok. Done, and here is the result:
/usr/bin/Esetroot -center ./foo.jpg
/usr/bin/Esetroot:  Unable to load image file ./foo.jpg.

When I downgrade commonbox-utils, all works again just as it should. Any
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Re: [gentoo-user] Can't load 3c59x after kernel update

2003-10-13 Thread Collins Richey
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:13:00 +0300 Sami Salonen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 - Original Message - 
 From: Guido Seifert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 1:31 AM
 Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Can't load 3c59x after kernel update
 
 
  On Sun, Oct 12, 2003 at 11:29:51PM +0300, Sami Salonen wrote:
   Hi,
  
   I have recently installed Gentoo on my computer and have been a very
   happy user ever since, except...
  
   Today I finally had time to start configuring a firewall - I have an
   PPPoE connection and it's been working ok. I recompiled the kernel
   (enabled network packet filtering and stuff) but after installing
 the
   new kernel and rebooting the kernel can not load 3c59x any more.
  

 cd /usr/src/linux
 cp .config ~/
 make mrproper
 cp ~/.config .
 make menuconfig
 make dep  make clean bzImage modules modules_install
 cp arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/kernel-new
 [adding a new section to /etc/lilo.conf]
 /sbin/lilo
 

I can't comment on your module loading problem, but your kernel build / lilo
update procedure is correct.  My only thought.  Wipe out or move aside
/lib/modules/kernelname and try the procedure again.  Shouldn't be necessary,
but I had some problems with modules in the early days of 2.4.x, and this
helped.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Newbie New Install Problems

2003-10-13 Thread Collins Richey
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:54:30 +0100 A. S. Budden
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 Hi there,
 
 I've just installed Gentoo on my laptop, following the install
 instructions from the website.  However, I've got a few problems that
 I'm not sure what to do about (this is the first time I've done anything
 this complicated -- used redhat 9 before).
 
 Firstly, in my grub.conf I have vga=791 on the end of the kernel line,
 as I have in RH, but it doesn't seem to do anything at all.
 
 Secondly, when I log on (this doesn't happen if I log on as root), I get
 a long list of lines like:
 
 modprobe: Can't locate module /dev/cdwriter
 modprobe: Can't locate module * which is needed for /dev/scsi/*
 
 etc etc etc
 
 I can't find this in /var/log anywhere, so I can't reproduce the whole
 list -- at least half of it scrolls off the top of the screen before I
 would have a chance to type it all out.
 
 I get a similar set of messages when I log out again.
 
 Thirdly, when I boot up, as soon as the kernel starts, I get the
 following:
 
 kernel (hd0,2)/boot/bzImage root=/dev/hda6 vga=791
 [Linux-bzImage, setup=0x1400, size=0x131b7d]
 
 You passed an undefined mode number.
 Press RETURN to see video modes available, SPACE to continue or wait 30
 secs

 CONFIG_MODVERSIONS=y

Number 1, I would turn off this option.  I've never gotten good results from
this.

Number 2, framebuffer support would appear to be the problem with the mode
failure.  Do you have everything necessary for your particular video card?


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Re: [gentoo-user] Gaim MSN

2003-10-13 Thread Kurt Bechstein
I've had no problems at all with 0.70 behind a firewall.  It has worked
flawlessly.


On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 05:30, SMS WebMaster wrote:
 No no this problem from Gaim 0.70
 
 check http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=944838forum_id=665
 
 
 drewbian wrote:
  Looks like Microsoft is set to break third party clients real soon
  anyhows
  http://gaim.sourceforge.net/msn.php
  
  
  On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 18:29, SMS WebMaster wrote:
  
 I am in Saudi Arabia and I can't login to MSN by Gaim like you
 
 The problem is from Gaim because I can login with Kmess
 
 The message error is : Error reading from server
 
 
 Patrick Marquetecken wrote:
 
 I can't also login with Gaim here in Belgium
 
 
 On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 23:11, SMS WebMaster wrote:
 
 
 Hi
 
 Did anyone able to login MSN by Gaim in the past 4 days ?
 
  
  
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Re: [gentoo-user] prelinking KDE

2003-10-13 Thread Joshua Banks

--- Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Unfortunately the cost of memory for these little Vaios is quite 
 prohibitive - after about 45 minutes Googling I've managed to find a UK 
 supplier - he wants £120 for an additional 64meg (the maximum this 
 machine will take).
 
 I'll have to ponder further whether that's a good investment.

If you use this machine allot then yes it will be a good investment. Not just for KDE 
but for
everything else as well. On one of my machines I run a PII 300 with 128Megs. It used 
to have only
64MB and I spent more time cursing under my  breath than enjoying KDE. Had to swtich 
Galeon which
seemed less resource hungry. Shortly after that I upgraded to 128MB and started KDE. 
Runs just
fine unitl I have abouve 10 windows open. Then things slow to a crawl.

JBanks

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Re: [gentoo-user] Running mulitiple Window Mangers/Desktops?

2003-10-13 Thread Joshua Banks
Thanks for the helpful tips Davide.

JBanks
--- Davide Brini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Monday 13 October 2003 12:26, Joshua Banks wrote:
 
  My question is:
 
  What specifically is the difference between WindowMangers and Desktops?
  When I go here, http://xwinman.org/index.html they're listed as two
  separate entities. I've always thought of these as one in the same.
 
 Not-too-specific answer:
 
 Desktop managers are more Windoze-like, meaning that they tend to be more 
 complete and control many parts of the graphic enviroment. A desktop 
 environment has its own window manager. Furthermore, DEs often provide a lot 
 of complementary software and utilities, whereas window managers are more 
 bare bone, ie, they only give you the basic tools to work (panel, desktop 
 and little more). Some say that WMs give you more freedom, but that's a 
 matter of personal taste.
 
  The reason that I'm asking this is because I would like to load XFce,
  Gnome, desktops and have the abliity to choose which desktop that I use
  when I get my LOGIN promtp with KDM.
 
  If I load XFce and Gnome will these automatically show up listed in KDM as
  a choose to login to? Or do I need to do anything to /etc/rc.conf
 
 I don't think it will work that way.
 Maybe you can emerge selectwm.
 
 The page for the project is:
 http://ordiluc.net/selectwm
 
 look there before trying it.
 
 I've used it and it works fine: I had gnome, kde, icewm, windowmaker, fvwm2 
 and blackbox at the same time (wasting a lot of disk space, though :).
 
 NOTE: I don't use graphical login (KDM, GDM and similar), so I don't know if 
 selectwm works fine in that situation.
 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Running mulitiple Window Mangers/Desktops?

2003-10-13 Thread Joshua Banks
Thanks Harald.

What mulitiple window managers, Fluxbox.. ect.. ect..??

JBanks
--- Harald Arnesen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Joshua Banks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  If I load XFce and Gnome will these automatically show up listed in
  KDM as a choose to login to?
 
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[gentoo-user] Package installation question

2003-10-13 Thread Stephen Liu
Hi all folks,

I just completed installing Gentoo 1.4  Now its is running.  My next 
step will be installing packages such as browser, email software, 
OpenOffice, etc.

Where will be the preferrable folder/directory to untar the tarballs.  Is it

# tar -jxvf  /usr/portage/packages/All/package.tbz2  -C  /usr/local/   ???

so that both ROOT and USER can install/setup/run them without problem

Kindly advise.  Thanks in advance.

B.R.
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Re: [gentoo-user] POP3 spam filter suggestions

2003-10-13 Thread William Hubbs
Hi all,

I am using fetchmail, procmail and bogofilter to handle inbound mail here.  So far I 
have had no problems with this setup.

If you are intrested in my setup, let me know.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Package installation question

2003-10-13 Thread Mike Williams
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On Monday 13 October 2003 15:23, Stephen Liu wrote:
 Hi all folks,

 I just completed installing Gentoo 1.4  Now its is running.  My next
 step will be installing packages such as browser, email software,
 OpenOffice, etc.

 Where will be the preferrable folder/directory to untar the tarballs.  Is
 it

 # tar -jxvf  /usr/portage/packages/All/package.tbz2  -C  /usr/local/   ???

 so that both ROOT and USER can install/setup/run them without problem

 Kindly advise.  Thanks in advance.

emerge package # download and compile
emerge -k package # try to use a precompile binary, or download and compile

Root installs, user runs.

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[gentoo-user] Fetchmail/postfix error 501

2003-10-13 Thread Patrick M Geahan

Folks - 

Been running fetchmail(6.2.3) with postfix(2.0.11) for a while now.  The
recent spate of emails from virus-infected Microsoft boxes has brought up
a problem that I'm having difficulty solving.

Some of these mails have a FROM header with an unresolvable domain.  
Postfix rejects these with an SMTP 501 error, which causes fetchmail to 
abort processing.  It keeps doing this until I remove the mail manually 
from the queue.

I checked the man pages and found a fetchmail option - 'antispam 501'.  
This is *supposed* to force fetchmail to drop any 501-rejected mail 
completely, and continue processing.

Unfortunately, after adding this option, it now fails on the same messages 
with a 'client/server protocol error'.  

So I'm looking for some help to do one of these two things:

1.  Force fetchmail to drop 501-rejected mails completely.

2.  Stop postfix from making the resolvable-domain check and rejecting the 
email based on that.

Can anyone assist?

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[gentoo-user] Installing KDE and Xfree problem

2003-10-13 Thread Stephen Liu
Hi all folks,

2 CD-version Gentoo 1.4
==
During OS installation I encountered difficulty in installing ;

1)
# emerge -k kde
2)
# emerge -k xfree
The download time was quick (I have a 3MB broadband connection, single 
user) but installation each took more than 2 hours respectively without 
completion compelling me to reboot the PC with Crtl+Alt+Del.  I found 
their packages on CD2 and have them copied to  
/usr/portage/packages/ALL/   Kindly advise where will be the preferable 
folder/directory to install

1) KDE. 
They have many packages such as
kde-3.1.2.tbz2
kde-env-3-r2.tbz2
kdeaddons-3.1.2.tbz2
etc.

On RH I found it installed on
/root/.kde
/home/user/.kde
Kindly advise whether there is a solution to install all of them 
simultaneously and collectively.  If YES then HOW.   Which packages are 
essential to run KDE

Is there a way to shorten the installation time on net-installation i.e. 
with '# emerge -k kde'

2) Xfree
Where will be an ideal folder/directory to untar it.  Is it;
# tar -jxvf  /usr/portage/packages/All/package.tbz2  -C  /usr/local/   ???

Is there a way to shorten the installation time on net-installation i.e. 
with '# emerge -k xfree'

Kindly advise.   Thanks in advance.

B.R.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Package installation question

2003-10-13 Thread Stephen Liu
Hi Mike,

Thanks for your response.

I just completed installing Gentoo 1.4  Now its is running.  My next
step will be installing packages such as browser, email software,
OpenOffice, etc.
Where will be the preferrable folder/directory to untar the tarballs.  Is
it
# tar -jxvf  /usr/portage/packages/All/package.tbz2  -C  /usr/local/   ???

so that both ROOT and USER can install/setup/run them without problem

Kindly advise.  Thanks in advance.
   

emerge package # download and compile
 

How can I know they are available on net/website

emerge -k package # try to use a precompile binary, or download and compile
 

During installation of Gentoo OS, I have encountered difficulty on running

# emerge -k kde
and
# emerge -k xfree
Each took 2+ hours respectively without completion compelling me to 
reboot the PC.  The download time was short but the installation time 
was endless with screen running continuously.

Root installs, user runs.
 

Where shall I untar the tarball, on which folder?  Will installation 
find the right folder automatically.

Thanks

B.R.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Package installation question

2003-10-13 Thread Mike Williams
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On Monday 13 October 2003 16:14, Stephen Liu wrote:

 emerge package # download and compile

 How can I know they are available on net/website

They are.
Not possible to add ebuilds to portage for things that aren't available. How 
could the developer develop it otherwise?

 emerge -k package # try to use a precompile binary, or download and
  compile

 During installation of Gentoo OS, I have encountered difficulty on running

 # emerge -k kde
 and
 # emerge -k xfree

 Each took 2+ hours respectively without completion compelling me to
 reboot the PC.  The download time was short but the installation time
 was endless with screen running continuously.

If the binary wasn't in the correct place, or usuable (for whatever reason) 
emerge will download the source and compile it. This can take a very long 
time.
I don't use binary packages, so am unsure of exactly what happens, but no 
doubt you will be told if the binary package was unusuable. If it just goes 
and gets the source and starts compiling the binary package wasn't were 
portage expected it to be.

 Root installs, user runs.

 Where shall I untar the tarball, on which folder?  Will installation
 find the right folder automatically.

I think you are missing the point of Gentoo.
You don't do anything but issue a command, portage does the rest.

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[gentoo-user] Sound problem

2003-10-13 Thread Stephen Liu
Hi all folks,

Gentoo 1.4, 2CD version
==
I have Creative Sound Blaster Live card installed on my PC.  During 
installing the OS I ran

# emerge emu10k1

The download time was short but the total installation time took 2+ 
hours without completion compelling me to reboot the PC finally.   Now 
the OS is running without sound.  Can I reinstall it with the same 
command without chroot.  How can I avoid repeating previous mishap 
running installation endless.

Thanks in advance.

B.R.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Package installation question

2003-10-13 Thread A. S. Budden
Thus spake Stephen Liu:
 Kindly advise.  Thanks in advance.

 
 
 emerge package # download and compile
  
 
 How can I know they are available on net/website

If you know the name of the package, have a look in /usr/portage with
find, e.g.

cd /usr/portage
find . -name 'rolo' -maxdepth 2
find . -name 'openoffice*' -maxdepth 2

Alternatively, have a trawl through the online package listing on the
gentoo website.

 
 emerge -k package # try to use a precompile binary, or download and compile
  
 
 During installation of Gentoo OS, I have encountered difficulty on running
 
 # emerge -k kde
 and
 # emerge -k xfree
 
 Each took 2+ hours respectively without completion compelling me to 
 reboot the PC.  The download time was short but the installation time 
 was endless with screen running continuously.

There probably aren't any binaries available for you system or
something, so it's compiling from source.  This takes a LONG time!  I'm
currently installing qt, kde and a few other bits and bobs on my fairly
fast PC... it's taken 2 hours so far and I don't expect it to finish for
a while.  Write a list of what you want to install, save it in (say)
emergenext.txt, then do

emerge -p `cat emergenext.txt`

check the results, then do the same without the -p.  Then go home for
the weekend.  You never know, it might be done!

 
 Root installs, user runs.
  
 
 Where shall I untar the tarball, on which folder?  Will installation 
 find the right folder automatically.

Don't.  Let portage do the work.  Just use emerge.

Hope that helps,

Al

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Re: [gentoo-user] Can't load 3c59x after kernel update

2003-10-13 Thread Hall Stevenson
At 08:59 AM 10/13/2003, you wrote:
My only thought.  Wipe out or move aside
/lib/modules/kernelname and try the procedure again.  Shouldn't be 
necessary,
but I had some problems with modules in the early days of 2.4.x, and this
helped.
FWIW, I've been doing that for a long time, possibly with 2.2 kernels. I'm 
not sure what make modules_install does, but it seems to NOT remove the 
dir and replace it. So, any old modules created with a previous build will 
remain. They should never be called though and therefore not cause 
problems, but something kept going wrong. So, I always rm -rf that dir 
and let make modules_install re-create it.

Regards
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Re: [gentoo-user] Installing KDE and Xfree problem

2003-10-13 Thread Hall Stevenson
At 10:56 AM 10/13/2003, you wrote:
1)
# emerge -k kde
2)
# emerge -k xfree
As I understand gentoo and emerge (been using it less than a week), the 
-k will get pre-compiled packages and will NOT  compile them.

The download time was quick (I have a 3MB broadband connection, single 
user) but installation each took more than 2 hours respectively without 
completion compelling me to reboot the PC with Crtl+Alt+Del.
Assuming it really was compiling KDE and XFREE, I think you're in for a 
much longer wait than the short 2 hours you gave it. The Gentoo Linux 
Desktop Configuration Guide says this about xfree:

The emerge/install process of X will take awhile on even a quick 
system. The system is quite
large, so be prepared to read a book, take a nap, etc.
snip
After this rather length process is completed, configuration will 
begin.

For the KDE part, it says:

Have a nice nap!

Regards
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[gentoo-user] login problem

2003-10-13 Thread Davide Fanciola

Hello,

i'm running gentoo with X and my windowmanager is enligthenment 
with entrance as login manager.

The problem is that, if I switch to a text console, anything I type at the 
login prompt return me the error : Login Incorrect.

Does anyone known what's wrong??

TIA
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Re: [gentoo-user] Can't load 3c59x after kernel update

2003-10-13 Thread Mike Williams
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On Monday 13 October 2003 16:37, Hall Stevenson wrote:

 FWIW, I've been doing that for a long time, possibly with 2.2 kernels. I'm
 not sure what make modules_install does, but it seems to NOT remove the
 dir and replace it. So, any old modules created with a previous build will
 remain. They should never be called though and therefore not cause
 problems, but something kept going wrong. So, I always rm -rf that dir
 and let make modules_install re-create it.

Without trying to argue the toss, 'make modules_install' does wipe out all 
previous build modules (only for the version you are compiling!). This is 
proved by the fact you need to re-emerge alsa-driver/nvidia-kernel/
pcmcia-cs/... each time you recompile your kernel.
If you're paranoid, unlike me (who's that hiding under the desk! In the 
corner, I can see you!), delete away :)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Package installation question

2003-10-13 Thread Jon Dye
A. S. Budden wrote:
Thus spake Stephen Liu:

Kindly advise.  Thanks in advance.
emerge package # download and compile

How can I know they are available on net/website
If you know the name of the package, have a look in /usr/portage with
find, e.g.
cd /usr/portage
find . -name 'rolo' -maxdepth 2
find . -name 'openoffice*' -maxdepth 2
Alternatively, have a trawl through the online package listing on the
gentoo website.
Or try
emerge search name
e.g.
emerge search kde
emerge -k package # try to use a precompile binary, or download and compile

During installation of Gentoo OS, I have encountered difficulty on running

# emerge -k kde
and
# emerge -k xfree
Each took 2+ hours respectively without completion compelling me to 
reboot the PC.  The download time was short but the installation time 
was endless with screen running continuously.
There probably aren't any binaries available for you system or
something, so it's compiling from source.  This takes a LONG time!  I'm
currently installing qt, kde and a few other bits and bobs on my fairly
fast PC... it's taken 2 hours so far and I don't expect it to finish for
a while.  Write a list of what you want to install, save it in (say)
emergenext.txt, then do
emerge -p `cat emergenext.txt`

check the results, then do the same without the -p.  Then go home for
the weekend.  You never know, it might be done!
Just installed gentoo and from the base install it took about a day to 
compile and install kde (including all it's dependencies like XFree86). 
 This is on an Athlon 1.3

Root installs, user runs.
Where shall I untar the tarball, on which folder?  Will installation 
find the right folder automatically.
Don't.  Let portage do the work.  Just use emerge.
Try mounting the CD then running
PKGIR=/path/to/packages/on/cd emerge -k kde
(obviously specifying the right path)
This might only save you the download though, not the compile, plus I've 
not tried it myself, this is from reading the portage manual 
(http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/portage-manual.xml).

JD

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Re: [gentoo-user] Package installation question

2003-10-13 Thread brett holcomb
Let emerge take care of that.  For example emerge 
MozillaFirebird downloads and installs the app and takse 
care of file handling and install the apps so anyone can 
use them.  I'm not sure why you want user to install them 
- once they are installed anyone can use them - however, 
portage has the ability to let users who are members of 
the portage group install programs.

For OpenOffice you install as root with the net option, 
then each user runs setup to setup things pertanant to 
him.

On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 22:23:07 +0800
 Stephen Liu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all folks,

I just completed installing Gentoo 1.4  Now its is 
running.  My next step will be installing packages such 
as browser, email software, OpenOffice, etc.

Where will be the preferrable folder/directory to untar 
the tarballs.  Is it

# tar -jxvf  /usr/portage/packages/All/package.tbz2  -C 
/usr/local/   ???

so that both ROOT and USER can install/setup/run them 
without problem

Kindly advise.  Thanks in advance.

B.R.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Package installation question

2003-10-13 Thread Stephen Liu
Hi Al,

Thanks for your advice.

- snip -
 

How can I know they are available on net/website
   

If you know the name of the package, have a look in /usr/portage with
find, e.g.
cd /usr/portage
find . -name 'rolo' -maxdepth 2
find . -name 'openoffice*' -maxdepth 2
 

# find . -name 'openoffice*' -maxdepth 2
./app-office/openoffice-bin
./app-office/openoffice
Then what command shall I issue to install them

1) emerge -k openoffice
or
2) ./openoffice-bin
Alternatively, have a trawl through the online package listing on the
gentoo website.
 

How to make such a search, what command to use?

emerge -k package # try to use a precompile binary, or download and compile
 

During installation of Gentoo OS, I have encountered difficulty on running

# emerge -k kde
and
# emerge -k xfree
Each took 2+ hours respectively without completion compelling me to 
reboot the PC.  The download time was short but the installation time 
was endless with screen running continuously.
   

There probably aren't any binaries available for you system or
something, so it's compiling from source.  This takes a LONG time!  I'm
currently installing qt, kde and a few other bits and bobs on my fairly
fast PC... it's taken 2 hours so far and I don't expect it to finish for
a while.  Write a list of what you want to install, save it in (say)
emergenext.txt, then do
emerge -p `cat emergenext.txt`

check the results, then do the same without the -p.  Then go home for
the weekend.  You never know, it might be done!
 

I tried follow;

# emerge -p `cat mozilla`
cat: mozilla: No such file or directory.
Whether it means mozilla not available.  OR I made an incorrect example

Root installs, user runs.
 

Where shall I untar the tarball, on which folder?  Will installation 
find the right folder automatically.
   

Don't.  Let portage do the work.  Just use emerge.
 

What command shall be used?  I have all tarballs copied to 
/usr/portage/packages/ALL/

Kindly advise.  Thanks in advance.

B.R.
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Re: [gentoo-user] POP3 spam filter suggestions

2003-10-13 Thread Rick [Kitty5]
William Hubbs wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 I am using fetchmail, procmail and bogofilter to handle inbound mail
 here.  So far I have had no problems with this setup. 
 
 If you are intrested in my setup, let me know.

Very.

Rick

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Re: [gentoo-user] login problem

2003-10-13 Thread Ernie Schroder
On Monday 13 October 2003 11:50 am, Davide Fanciola wrote:
 Hello,

 i'm running gentoo with X and my windowmanager is enligthenment
 with entrance as login manager.

 The problem is that, if I switch to a text console, anything I type
 at the login prompt return me the error : Login Incorrect.

 Does anyone known what's wrong??

 TIA
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Re: [gentoo-user] Installing KDE and Xfree problem

2003-10-13 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 10:56, Stephen Liu wrote:
 Hi all folks,
 
 2 CD-version Gentoo 1.4
 ==
 
 During OS installation I encountered difficulty in installing ;
 
 1)
 # emerge -k kde
 
 2)
 # emerge -k xfree
 
 The download time was quick (I have a 3MB broadband connection, single 
 user) but installation each took more than 2 hours respectively without 
 completion compelling me to reboot the PC with Crtl+Alt+Del.  I found 
 their packages on CD2 and have them copied to  
 /usr/portage/packages/ALL/   Kindly advise where will be the preferable 
 folder/directory to install
 
 1) KDE. 
 They have many packages such as
 kde-3.1.2.tbz2
 kde-env-3-r2.tbz2
 kdeaddons-3.1.2.tbz2
 etc.
 
 On RH I found it installed on
 /root/.kde
 /home/user/.kde
 
 Kindly advise whether there is a solution to install all of them 
 simultaneously and collectively.  If YES then HOW.   Which packages are 
 essential to run KDE
 
 Is there a way to shorten the installation time on net-installation i.e. 
 with '# emerge -k kde'
 
 2) Xfree
 Where will be an ideal folder/directory to untar it.  Is it;
 
 # tar -jxvf  /usr/portage/packages/All/package.tbz2  -C  /usr/local/   ???

Although they are tarballs, you don't just untar Gentoo packages. You
emerge them, and that will take care of the installation location etc.
emerge -k kde or emerge -k xfree will take care of all that for you.


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[gentoo-user] Logger Problems

2003-10-13 Thread Kevin Miller, Jr.
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I keep getting the following error:

 Regenerating /etc/ld.so.cache...
 * Caching service dependencies...
 *  Service 'metalog' already provide 'logger'!;
 *  Not adding service 'sysklogd'...[ ok ]
 Regenerating /etc/ld.so.cache...
 * Caching service dependencies...
 *  Service 'metalog' already provide 'logger'!;
 *  Not adding service 'sysklogd'...[ ok ]

The problem started after I replaced metalog with syslogd.  I noticed I had 
some problems with syslogd so I replaced that with metalog.  Gentoo runs fine 
I just get this error.  How can I fully remove sysklogd?  I did emerge 
unmerge syslogd in the past already but the error is still there.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Logger Problems

2003-10-13 Thread Mike Williams
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On Monday 13 October 2003 10:27, Kevin Miller, Jr. wrote:
 I keep getting the following error:
  Regenerating /etc/ld.so.cache...

  * Caching service dependencies...
  *  Service 'metalog' already provide 'logger'!;
  *  Not adding service 'sysklogd'...[
 ok ]

  Regenerating /etc/ld.so.cache...

  * Caching service dependencies...
  *  Service 'metalog' already provide 'logger'!;
  *  Not adding service 'sysklogd'...[
 ok ]

 The problem started after I replaced metalog with syslogd.  I noticed I had
 some problems with syslogd so I replaced that with metalog.  Gentoo runs
 fine I just get this error.  How can I fully remove sysklogd?  I did emerge
 unmerge syslogd in the past already but the error is still there.

init scripts are considered configuration files, so are not removed when 
unmerge'ing.
Just delete the sysklogd init script and re-run depscan.sh

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Re: [gentoo-user] cups server help

2003-10-13 Thread jsmith
Quoting Ernie Schroder [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 I'm about to start throwing stuff! I can't figure out how to set up my 
 /etc/cups/cupsd.conf on Gentoo#1 so that I can use its printer from 
 Gentoo#2 I've followed a couple of howto's without results and would 
 appreciate some help from someone who has a similar setup.
 Gentoo#2 is looking to the network for the printer but lpstat -a 
 returns Unable to connect to server: Connection refused

I have a similiar setup.  It is an older, crufty Gentoo box that I haven't had
time to update recently, so it is an older version of cups, etc.

That having been said, here is a diff of the working network server and the
default cups installation (both gentoo boxes, both several months older than the
current snapshot).  /etc/cups/cupsd.conf is the file in question:

(cups.conf-chalice is the working network print server config, I.e. +++
represents the diffs you're interested in).  Note that 10.2.x is our internal
network, yours will likely differ.

# diff -u /etc/cups/cupsd.conf cupsd.conf-chalice
--- /etc/cups/cupsd.conf2003-06-04 11:50:04.0 -0500
+++ cupsd.conf-chalice  2003-10-13 11:19:00.0 -0500
@@ -1,14 +1,14 @@
 #
-# $Id: cupsd.conf-1.1.18,v 1.1 2003/01/27 21:50:16 lordvan Exp $
+# $Id: cupsd.conf.in,v 1.10 2002/12/17 22:08:08 mike Exp $
 #
-#   Sample configuration file for the Common UNIX Printing System (CUPS)
+#Sample configuration file for the Common UNIX Printing System (CUPS)
 #   scheduler.
 #
-#   Copyright 1997-2003 by Easy Software Products, all rights reserved.
+# Copyright 1997-2003 by Easy Software Products, all rights reserved.
 #
-#   These coded instructions, statements, and computer programs are the
-#   property of Easy Software Products and are protected by Federal
-#   copyright law.  Distribution and use rights are outlined in the file
+# These coded instructions, statements, and computer programs are the
+# property of Easy Software Products and are protected by Federal
+#copyright law.  Distribution and use rights are outlined in the file
 #   LICENSE.txt which should have been included with this file.  If this
 #   file is missing or damaged please contact Easy Software Products
 #   at:
@@ -46,7 +46,7 @@
 # To set the default server used by clients, see the client.conf file.
 #

-ServerName localhost
+#ServerName myhost.domain.com

 #
 # ServerAdmin: the email address to send all complaints/problems to.
@@ -364,8 +364,7 @@

 #Port 80
 #Port 443
-##Port 631
-Listen 127.0.0.1:631
+Port 631

 #
 # HostNameLookups: whether or not to do lookups on IP addresses to get a
@@ -427,7 +426,7 @@
 # information on the network.  Enabled by default.
 #

-#Browsing On
+Browsing On

 #
 # BrowseProtocols: which protocols to use for browsing.  Can be
@@ -473,7 +472,7 @@
 #BrowseAddress x.y.255.255
 #BrowseAddress x.255.255.255
 #BrowseAddress 255.255.255.255
-#BrowseAddress @LOCAL
+BrowseAddress @LOCAL
 #BrowseAddress @IF(name)

 #
@@ -706,8 +705,11 @@

 Location /
 Order Deny,Allow
-Deny From All
-Allow From 127.0.0.1
+Deny From None
+# All
+#Allow From 127.0.0.1
+Allow From All
+# Allow From 10.*
 /Location

 #Location /classes
@@ -775,11 +777,13 @@
 ## Restrict access to local domain
 Order Deny,Allow
 Deny From All
-Allow From 127.0.0.1
+#Allow From 127.0.0.1
+Allow From 10.2.*
+# Allow From 10.*

 #Encryption Required
 /Location

 #
-# End of $Id: cupsd.conf-1.1.18,v 1.1 2003/01/27 21:50:16 lordvan Exp $.
+# End of $Id: cupsd.conf.in,v 1.10 2002/12/17 22:08:08 mike Exp $.
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Re: [gentoo-user] prelinking KDE

2003-10-13 Thread Stroller
On 13 Oct 2003, at 1:09 pm, A. S. Budden wrote:

Thus spake Stroller:
Unfortunately the cost of memory for these little Vaios is quite
prohibitive - after about 45 minutes Googling I've managed to find a 
UK
supplier - he wants £120 for an additional 64meg (the maximum this
machine will take).
It does of course depend on which Vaio you've got, but I've just
upgraded my R600 from 128MB to 384MB.  Bought the memory for 75 quid
from www.crucial.com/uk
128MB was 35 quid for either this laptop or my old one (Z600)

Just thought there might be a chance it'd be cheaper than wherever you
tried.
Unfortunately mine's one of the C1 series - the very small 9.5 x 6 
inch ones with a 1140 x 480 widescreen (and the little built-in 
camera). I gather that its memory upgrades may be an unusual 
form-factor.

I've found Cruicial's website very helpful in the past, since I've 
largely managed to avoid building hardware in the last couple of years, 
and know little about anything more modern that PC100 DIMMS. The 
Cruicial website makes it easy to order memory for my Mac, but 
searching for the Vaio just give me a link to email us your system 
details.

Thank you for your enquiry. If you have a requirement for RDRAM, RIMMs 
or a module with 2 notches near the centre, you will need RAMBUS 
memory. Unfortunately we don't currently manufacture this, please 
contact your system or motherboard manufacturer directly for advice on 
the availability of memory for your system.

To check on pricing or to place an order please follow the Crucial 
Product Search link on the top right of our web site home page 
(http://www.crucial.com/uk) or call us on 0800 013 0330. All prices 
listed are only valid for one working day.

If you have any further questions please don't hesitate to contact us 
(for a faster response please reply directly to this email).

Regards

MARIA HOUSTON
MEMORY ADVISOR
It is just me, or is this COMPLETELY unhelpful, considering I've given 
them make  model of my laptop, and the Sony part-number..?

*sulks*

Stroller.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Package installation question

2003-10-13 Thread Ernie Schroder
On Monday 13 October 2003 12:07 pm, Stephen Liu wrote:
 Hi Al,

 Thanks for your advice.

 - snip -
 
 How can I know they are available on net/website
 
 If you know the name of the package, have a look in /usr/portage
  with find, e.g.
 
 cd /usr/portage
 find . -name 'rolo' -maxdepth 2
 find . -name 'openoffice*' -maxdepth 2

 # find . -name 'openoffice*' -maxdepth 2
 ./app-office/openoffice-bin
 ./app-office/openoffice

 Then what command shall I issue to install them

 1) emerge -k openoffice
 or
 2) ./openoffice-bin

Openoffice-bin will definately install faster (26 minutes on my box) 
but at the expense of some speed running the app later. Openoffice 
will take a  long  time to compile. (according to my logs 
37 hrs  20 min) My box is an Athlon XP2100 with 512 Megs RAM

 Alternatively, have a trawl through the online package listing on
  the gentoo website.

 How to make such a search, what command to use?

 emerge -k package # try to use a precompile binary, or download
  and compile
 
 During installation of Gentoo OS, I have encountered difficulty
  on running
 
 # emerge -k kde
 and
 # emerge -k xfree
 
 Each took 2+ hours respectively without completion compelling me
  to reboot the PC.  The download time was short but the
  installation time was endless with screen running continuously.
 
 There probably aren't any binaries available for you system or
 something, so it's compiling from source.  This takes a LONG time!
   I'm currently installing qt, kde and a few other bits and bobs
  on my fairly fast PC... it's taken 2 hours so far and I don't
  expect it to finish for a while.  Write a list of what you want
  to install, save it in (say) emergenext.txt, then do
 
 emerge -p `cat emergenext.txt`
 
 check the results, then do the same without the -p.  Then go home
  for the weekend.  You never know, it might be done!

 I tried follow;

 # emerge -p `cat mozilla`
 cat: mozilla: No such file or directory.

 Whether it means mozilla not available.  OR I made an incorrect
 example

 Root installs, user runs.
 
 Where shall I untar the tarball, on which folder?  Will
  installation find the right folder automatically.
 
 Don't.  Let portage do the work.  Just use emerge.

 What command shall be used?  I have all tarballs copied to
 /usr/portage/packages/ALL/

 Kindly advise.  Thanks in advance.

 B.R.
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[gentoo-user] Installation question : Biostar IDEQ 200N

2003-10-13 Thread Daniel Wood
Hey everyone,

I am trying to do a fresh installation on a Biostar IDEQ 200N computer. 
This setup has a VIA VT6420 SATA RAID controller in it and my two sata
drives which do show up in the VIA BIOS message at bootup are not being
detected by the kernel.  Specifically, once the livecd finished booting,
I only see /dev/hdc (which is my dvd drive); no other /dev/hd*
available.

I'm using the latest athalon-xp liveCD (cd1) downloaded saturday.

I did some searching around and tried to boot with the 'smp' and
'smp-nofb' kernels with and without 'doataraid' options.  Unfortunately,
none seemed to do the trick...

So the mistake I made is that I'm not interested in using the RAID
hardware controller, just the sata drives, but I didn't notice that this
unit's sata support is with a RAID controller.

It seems like some of the other kernels might have support for this, but
I don't know how to get to that point.

So, is there any way I can avoid returning these drives and replacing
them with ata100 drives?  (I'd just like to avoid that transaction is
all.  I've been curious about the sata drives for sometime).

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Re: [gentoo-user] Package installation question

2003-10-13 Thread A. S. Budden
Thus spake Stephen Liu:
 Hi Al,
 
 Thanks for your advice.
 
 - snip -
  
 
 How can I know they are available on net/website

 
 
 If you know the name of the package, have a look in /usr/portage with
 find, e.g.
 
 cd /usr/portage
 find . -name 'rolo' -maxdepth 2
 find . -name 'openoffice*' -maxdepth 2
  
 
 # find . -name 'openoffice*' -maxdepth 2
 ./app-office/openoffice-bin
 ./app-office/openoffice
 
 Then what command shall I issue to install them
 
 1) emerge -k openoffice
 or
 2) ./openoffice-bin

I'd imagine it would be emerge -k openoffice... have a look on the
online package database at the descriptions of both.  Will probably give
a better indication.  2) should be emerge -k openoffice-bin I think

 
 Alternatively, have a trawl through the online package listing on the
 gentoo website.
  
 
 How to make such a search, what command to use?

Unfortunately, there isn't a web based search.  You can do:

emerge search searchterm

As another poster suggested (I didn't know this, but then I only started
using gentoo on friday!).  Once you know which section it's in, you can
go and have a look on the website for more details, e.g. with sc, type:

emerge search sc

will give you a whole list of things with 'sc' in.  In amongst these is
app-office/sc, so go to http://www.gentoo.org/dyn/pkgs/index.xml and
click on app-office, then sc.  This will give you a few details,
including the developer homepage etc.  In most cases, I think you can
bypass the clicking by doing (e.g.)
http://www.gentoo.org/dyn/pkgs/app-office/sc.xml

Actually sc is a lousy example as there a lot of things with sc in their
name, so you'll get lots of results.  In this case you might want to try

emerge search sc | egrep '^\*.*\/sc$'

or something like that.

 
 emerge -k package # try to use a precompile binary, or download and 
 compile
  
 
 During installation of Gentoo OS, I have encountered difficulty on running
 
 # emerge -k kde
 and
 # emerge -k xfree
 
 Each took 2+ hours respectively without completion compelling me to 
 reboot the PC.  The download time was short but the installation time 
 was endless with screen running continuously.

 
 
 There probably aren't any binaries available for you system or
 something, so it's compiling from source.  This takes a LONG time!  I'm
 currently installing qt, kde and a few other bits and bobs on my fairly
 fast PC... it's taken 2 hours so far and I don't expect it to finish for
 a while.  Write a list of what you want to install, save it in (say)
 emergenext.txt, then do
 
 emerge -p `cat emergenext.txt`
 
 check the results, then do the same without the -p.  Then go home for
 the weekend.  You never know, it might be done!
  
 
 I tried follow;
 
 # emerge -p `cat mozilla`
 cat: mozilla: No such file or directory.
 
 Whether it means mozilla not available.  OR I made an incorrect example

My apologies, I obviously didn't explain myself well enough.

Try this and see if it makes it any clearer:

echo net-www/mozilla  mylist.txt
echo net-www/w3m  mylist.txt
echo kde  mylist.txt
emerge -p `cat mylist.txt`

Should say that it would install a whole lot of packages!

then do:

emerge `cat mylist.txt`

and it'll go off and do it.  The advantage of this is that you can
prepare a whole lot of packages that you want it to compile and then
leave it for a long time, rather than having to be at the computer or
going back every hour or so.  Get a nice long list of everything you
want and then leave your computer to build it all over the weekend or
whatever.

 
 Root installs, user runs.
  
 
 Where shall I untar the tarball, on which folder?  Will installation 
 find the right folder automatically.

 
 
 Don't.  Let portage do the work.  Just use emerge.
  
 
 What command shall be used?  I have all tarballs copied to 
 /usr/portage/packages/ALL/

emerge packagename

where packagename is something like kde or mozilla or
app-office/sc (without the quotes).  Adding a -k before the package
name will try and use a binary if it's available.  In many ways this
defies the point of gentoo though, as it's supposed to be a source based
distribution (makes things run faster).  Also, -k only installs binaries
if they're available, otherwise it compiles from source.

That's about all I can think of, if I've missed anything or said
anything wrong, hopefully someone more knowledgeable will pick up on it
and correct me.

I think the key thing when you're installing gentoo (which hopefully
I'll finish eventually!) is to be very very very very very very very
patient.

Hope that helps

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Re: [gentoo-user] POP3 spam filter suggestions

2003-10-13 Thread Harlan
Hi William,
  Do you use this with a dial-up or constant connection?

  I use dial-up with kmail right now.

  I would be interested is your setup.

Thanks,

Harlan...

On Monday 13 October 2003 09:26 am, William Hubbs wrote:
 Hi all,

 I am using fetchmail, procmail and bogofilter to handle inbound mail here. 
 So far I have had no problems with this setup.

 If you are intrested in my setup, let me know.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Package installation question

2003-10-13 Thread Andrew Gaffney
A. S. Budden wrote:
emerge search sc

will give you a whole list of things with 'sc' in.  In amongst these is
app-office/sc, so go to http://www.gentoo.org/dyn/pkgs/index.xml and
click on app-office, then sc.  This will give you a few details,
including the developer homepage etc.  In most cases, I think you can
bypass the clicking by doing (e.g.)
http://www.gentoo.org/dyn/pkgs/app-office/sc.xml
Actually sc is a lousy example as there a lot of things with sc in their
name, so you'll get lots of results.  In this case you might want to try
emerge search sc | egrep '^\*.*\/sc$'

or something like that.
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[gentoo-user] question to linux-headers

2003-10-13 Thread Frank Reich
Hello.

I wonder what's going on with those version numbers. I currently use a 
gentoo-stable kernel (sys-kernel/gs-sources-2.4.21_rc8). But for some 
time now when trying to update a package it tells me to update 
sys-kernel/linux-headers as well - from 2.4.19 to 2.4.19-r1. Why 
2.4._19_, although I use 2.4.21? How's that meant?

Shouldn't I have installed sys-kernel/linux-headers-2.4.21, which is 
also available in portage-tree?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Sound problem

2003-10-13 Thread Stroller
On 13 Oct 2003, at 4:31 pm, Stephen Liu wrote:
The download time was short but the total installation time took 2+ 
hours without completion compelling me to reboot the PC finally.   Now 
the OS is running without sound.  Can I reinstall it with the same 
command without chroot.  How can I avoid repeating previous mishap 
running installation endless.
I think you might find these products more suitable than Gentoo:
 http://www.mandrakesoft.com/products/91/standard
 http://www.mandrakesoft.com/products/91/powerpack
Mandrake is the distro I recommend to my friends who haven't ever used 
Linux before. It handles installation of binaries more smoothly than 
Gentoo does - the stuff you see running endlessly off the screen is 
Gentoo compiling the software from the language originally written by 
the programmer into machine-readable (binary) form. You can leave the 
compilation running in the background - alt-f1, alt-f2 c switch to a 
different virtual terminal - but on my Pentium II  III systems some 
compiles literally take days.

It should not be necessary to reboot the PC to abort the compilation - 
pressing the ctrl  C keys together should terminate the emerge.

If you use Mandrake for 6 months and really like it, but find some 
things don't quite fit the way you want them to, find yourself 
compiling from source often, or find yourself more comfortable at the 
command-line, then perhaps then would be a good time to come back to 
Gentoo. I really don't consider Gentoo a first Linux distribution.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Package installation question

2003-10-13 Thread A. S. Budden
Thus spake Andrew Gaffney:
 A. S. Budden wrote:
 emerge search sc
 
 will give you a whole list of things with 'sc' in.  In amongst these is
 app-office/sc, so go to http://www.gentoo.org/dyn/pkgs/index.xml and
 click on app-office, then sc.  This will give you a few details,
 including the developer homepage etc.  In most cases, I think you can
 bypass the clicking by doing (e.g.)
 http://www.gentoo.org/dyn/pkgs/app-office/sc.xml
 
 Actually sc is a lousy example as there a lot of things with sc in their
 name, so you'll get lots of results.  In this case you might want to try
 
 emerge search sc | egrep '^\*.*\/sc$'
 
 or something like that.
 
 'emerge search' does support searching with regular expressions.
 

Even better!  (I will RTFM at some point... maybe when I've finally got
kde, qt, mozillafirebird etc compiled... give me a week or so!)

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RE: [gentoo-user] login problem

2003-10-13 Thread Davide Fanciola

The problem is that I cannot login in text-mode console!
But the X-based login (entrance) is working fine.

When I say anything I type, it means : any user account present on my
system...

Thank you anyway


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  Hello,
 
  i'm running gentoo with X and my windowmanager is enligthenment
  with entrance as login manager.
 
  The problem is that, if I switch to a text console, anything I type
  at the login prompt return me the error : Login Incorrect.
 
  Does anyone known what's wrong??
 
  TIA
  davide
 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Installing KDE and Xfree problem

2003-10-13 Thread Stroller
On 13 Oct 2003, at 4:45 pm, Hall Stevenson wrote:

At 10:56 AM 10/13/2003, you wrote:
1)
# emerge -k kde
2)
# emerge -k xfree
As I understand gentoo and emerge (been using it less than a week), 
the -k will get pre-compiled packages and will NOT  compile them.
Indeed. I think it is likely that the OP has not copied the 
pre-compiled packages to somewhere that Portage will expect to find 
them, or has not mounted that CD, or something.

Distribution on DVD might make installation of binaries easier.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Installing KDE and Xfree problem

2003-10-13 Thread A. S. Budden
Thus spake Stroller:
[snip]

 Distribution on DVD might make installation of binaries easier.


For what it's worth, here in the UK, this month's Linux Magazine comes
with Gentoo on the disc (with instructions on how to install from CD
rather than network).  They do a CD version and a DVD version, the
latter having an enormous number of packages.  However, I don't know
whether there're binaries or not -- I couldn't use the thing anyway, my
laptop's insert lots of swearing here snazzy firewire CDRW/DVD drive
doesn't like Linux very much at the time of writing.  I'm hoping I can
get this working either with gentoo and my first kernel compile (no luck
yet) or with kernel 2.6.  We'll see... I'm digressing, aren't I...
sorry, I'll shut up now.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Package installation question

2003-10-13 Thread Andrew Gaffney
A. S. Budden wrote:
Thus spake Andrew Gaffney:

A. S. Budden wrote:

emerge search sc

will give you a whole list of things with 'sc' in.  In amongst these is
app-office/sc, so go to http://www.gentoo.org/dyn/pkgs/index.xml and
click on app-office, then sc.  This will give you a few details,
including the developer homepage etc.  In most cases, I think you can
bypass the clicking by doing (e.g.)
http://www.gentoo.org/dyn/pkgs/app-office/sc.xml
Actually sc is a lousy example as there a lot of things with sc in their
name, so you'll get lots of results.  In this case you might want to try
emerge search sc | egrep '^\*.*\/sc$'

or something like that.
'emerge search' does support searching with regular expressions.



Even better!  (I will RTFM at some point... maybe when I've finally got
kde, qt, mozillafirebird etc compiled... give me a week or so!)
So, the equivelant of what you tried to do is 'emerge -s ^sc$'. The regex is matched only 
on the package name, not the category.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Logger Problems

2003-10-13 Thread Kevin Miller, Jr.
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Thanks.  That solved the problem.

Kevin

On Monday 13 October 2003 04:31 pm, Mike Williams wrote:
 On Monday 13 October 2003 10:27, Kevin Miller, Jr. wrote:
  I keep getting the following error:
   Regenerating /etc/ld.so.cache...
 
   * Caching service dependencies...
   *  Service 'metalog' already provide 'logger'!;
   *  Not adding service 'sysklogd'...[
  ok ]
 
   Regenerating /etc/ld.so.cache...
 
   * Caching service dependencies...
   *  Service 'metalog' already provide 'logger'!;
   *  Not adding service 'sysklogd'...[
  ok ]
 
  The problem started after I replaced metalog with syslogd.  I noticed I
  had some problems with syslogd so I replaced that with metalog.  Gentoo
  runs fine I just get this error.  How can I fully remove sysklogd?  I did
  emerge unmerge syslogd in the past already but the error is still there.

 init scripts are considered configuration files, so are not removed when
 unmerge'ing.
 Just delete the sysklogd init script and re-run depscan.sh

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[gentoo-user] Re: Please reply to confirm:1066043516.2289_59.htpc message and allow delivery

2003-10-13 Thread Ernie Schroder
Did anyone else get one of these? It must be comming from a mailing 
list but I see nothing that would indicate which one.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Package installation question

2003-10-13 Thread Ernie Schroder
On Monday 13 October 2003 01:11 pm, A. S. Budden wrote:
 Thus spake Andrew Gaffney:
  A. S. Budden wrote:
  emerge search sc
  
  will give you a whole list of things with 'sc' in.  In amongst
   these is app-office/sc, so go to
   http://www.gentoo.org/dyn/pkgs/index.xml and click on
   app-office, then sc.  This will give you a few details,
   including the developer homepage etc.  In most cases, I think
   you can bypass the clicking by doing (e.g.)
  http://www.gentoo.org/dyn/pkgs/app-office/sc.xml
  
  Actually sc is a lousy example as there a lot of things with sc
   in their name, so you'll get lots of results.  In this case you
   might want to try
  
  emerge search sc | egrep '^\*.*\/sc$'
  
  or something like that.
 
  'emerge search' does support searching with regular expressions.

 Even better!  (I will RTFM at some point... maybe when I've finally
 got kde, qt, mozillafirebird etc compiled... give me a week or so!)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Installing KDE and Xfree problem

2003-10-13 Thread Stroller
On 13 Oct 2003, at 6:24 pm, A. S. Budden wrote:

Thus spake Stroller:
[snip]
Distribution on DVD might make installation of binaries easier.

For what it's worth, here in the UK, this month's Linux Magazine comes
with Gentoo on the disc (with instructions on how to install from CD
rather than network).  They do a CD version and a DVD version, the
latter having an enormous number of packages...
It's certainly worth a look - even if the packages are in source form, 
such a DVD would be useful for folks on dial-up. Although such 
publications are undoubtedly useful for newcomers  for popularising 
Linux, I don't really want to spend money on a Linux magazine that I'll 
never read - but I do rather feel it might be worth a couple of quid in 
order to produce a BitTorrent of such a useful DVD.

  However, I don't know
whether there're binaries or not -- I couldn't use the thing anyway, my
laptop's insert lots of swearing here snazzy firewire CDRW/DVD drive
doesn't like Linux very much at the time of writing.  I'm hoping I can
get this working either with gentoo and my first kernel compile (no 
luck
yet) or with kernel 2.6.
I'm sure you will. The great thing I found about installing Gentoo on 
my laptop  was that I learned all about the kernel compilation options 
that I'd always rushed through before.  ;-]

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Please reply to confirm:1066043516.2289_59.htpc message and allow delivery

2003-10-13 Thread nmeyers
On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 01:47:32PM -0400, Ernie Schroder wrote:
 Did anyone else get one of these? It must be comming from a mailing 
 list but I see nothing that would indicate which one.

Just follow the link - you'll see it's spam from a company selling
email management products.

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[gentoo-user] Distcc on LiveCD..?

2003-10-13 Thread Stroller
Anyone know if  any of the Gentoo LiveCDs for x86 have distcc on them..?

I have a Windows box here: I need to have it around so can't install 
Gentoo on it, but I don't use it that much so it could help with 
compiles.

Something like this would be ideal: 
http://www.gentoo.org/news/20030603-ppclivecd.xml
But that's for Mac.

This looks promising: 
http://opendoorsoftware.com/cgi/http.pl?p=distccKNOPPIX
But it doesn't say which version of GCC is on it.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Please reply to confirm:1066043516.2289_59.htpc message and allow delivery

2003-10-13 Thread Hall Stevenson
At 01:47 PM 10/13/2003, you wrote:
Did anyone else get one of these? It must be comming from a mailing
list but I see nothing that would indicate which one.
It looks like what my ISP (Earthlink) has available as an anti-spam 
measure. It's the highest level of protection in that only people you 
specifically allow to e-mail you will get their messages through. If you 
follow the instructions, the user, Jonathan, in this case, will get your 
reply to him.

Personally, I don't think I'll EVER sign up to have the privilege of 
sending someone an e-mail.

Regards
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Please reply to confirm:1066043516.2289_59.htpc message and allow delivery

2003-10-13 Thread Patrick M Geahan
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003, Ernie Schroder wrote:

 Did anyone else get one of these? It must be comming from a mailing 
 list but I see nothing that would indicate which one.

snip

Yeah, I got one as well, just after I sent a question to the mailing list.

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Re: [gentoo-user] POP3 spam filter suggestions

2003-10-13 Thread Spider
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On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 12:57:26 +0100
Rick [Kitty5] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 I am wanting to use one of my gentoo box's to filter spam from several
 pop3 accounts I have.
 
 Am thinking the simplest solution would be some kind of transparent
 pop3 proxy that picks up email from the online pop3 accounts, runs
 them by spam assassin and then feeds them to the email client on my
 network.
 
 Any suggestions for making this happen or ideas for accomplishing the
 same end result?
 


Could I suggest a slightly alternative setup?

http://dev.gentoo.org/~spider/local-mail-0.3.0/local-email.html

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Re: [gentoo-user] question to linux-headers

2003-10-13 Thread Spider
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On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:08:55 +0200
Frank Reich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello.
 
 I wonder what's going on with those version numbers. I currently use a
 gentoo-stable kernel (sys-kernel/gs-sources-2.4.21_rc8). But for some 
 time now when trying to update a package it tells me to update 
 sys-kernel/linux-headers as well - from 2.4.19 to 2.4.19-r1. Why 
 2.4._19_, although I use 2.4.21? How's that meant?

old thing. in usr/include/linux there should be a sanitized set of linux
headers that don't really do much but support glibc in its internal
process of dealing with the kernel. This version shouldn't change, as
all moving interfaces should be found through /lib/modules/`uname
-r`/build/include/linux (i think)

The update to -r1 is a very small one, that just adds a virtual to tell
your system that it has the OS headers, something which was not
necessary when we first packaged linux-headers, but that had to be added
now that we have more versions here.

 
 Shouldn't I have installed sys-kernel/linux-headers-2.4.21, which is 
 also available in portage-tree?
Nope.

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[gentoo-user] info error at emerge

2003-10-13 Thread Björn Lindström
I get this error after each emerge. What is up with that?

install-info: menu item `Bash' already exists, for file `bash'
 * Processed 86 info files; 1 errors.

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[gentoo-user] Multiple emerges

2003-10-13 Thread Jon Dye
Hello,

Could anyone tell me wether I can run multiple instances of emerge at the same 
time or not?  I guess it depends on how well it loks the portage database?

I'm asking because I'd like to run a big emerge (e.g. mozilla or kde) and then 
run several smaller ones (e.g. host, pciutils) at the same time so I can get 
on with configuring and setting up the little bits while the big bits are 
building.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Multiple emerges

2003-10-13 Thread Tom Wesley
On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 20:24, Jon Dye wrote:
 Hello,
 
 Could anyone tell me wether I can run multiple instances of emerge at the same 
 time or not?  I guess it depends on how well it loks the portage database?
 
 I'm asking because I'd like to run a big emerge (e.g. mozilla or kde) and then 
 run several smaller ones (e.g. host, pciutils) at the same time so I can get 
 on with configuring and setting up the little bits while the big bits are 
 building.
 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Sound problem

2003-10-13 Thread Michael Rasile
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 23:31:26 +0800, Stephen Liu wrote:
Hi all folks,

Gentoo 1.4, 2CD version
==

I have Creative Sound Blaster Live card installed on my PC.  During
installing the OS I ran

# emerge emu10k1

The download time was short but the total installation time took 2+
hours without completion compelling me to reboot the PC finally.
Now
the OS is running without sound.  Can I reinstall it with the same
command without chroot.  How can I avoid repeating previous mishap
running installation endless.

Thanks in advance.

B.R.
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Greetings!
emu10k1 is a sound driver which must be compiled into the kernel or
compiled as a module. Have you done that? If not, you need to and
then be sure the module is loaded at boot time otherwise you will not
have sound.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Multiple emerges

2003-10-13 Thread Andrew Gaffney
Jon Dye wrote:
Hello,

Could anyone tell me wether I can run multiple instances of emerge at the same 
time or not?  I guess it depends on how well it loks the portage database?

I'm asking because I'd like to run a big emerge (e.g. mozilla or kde) and then 
run several smaller ones (e.g. host, pciutils) at the same time so I can get 
on with configuring and setting up the little bits while the big bits are 
building.
While I have done it many times before without problems, YMMV. Chances of something going 
wrong are small, but its not recommended. Like I said, YMMV.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Multiple emerges

2003-10-13 Thread brett holcomb
I guess it can be done as long as the merges don't overlap 
each other and attempt to install common packages.  To be 
honest, I don't do it since it's not worth the risk to me.

On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:28:36 +0100
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On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 20:24, Jon Dye wrote:
Hello,

Could anyone tell me wether I can run multiple instances 
of emerge at the same 
time or not?  I guess it depends on how well it loks the 
portage database?

I'm asking because I'd like to run a big emerge (e.g. 
mozilla or kde) and then 
run several smaller ones (e.g. host, pciutils) at the 
same time so I can get 
on with configuring and setting up the little bits while 
the big bits are 
building.

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I have done this on several occasions, but even as I 
write this someone
else is writing to say that you should never ever ever do 
this.  I did
have some problems with my world file at one point, but a 
regenworld
fixed it fine.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Multiple emerges

2003-10-13 Thread Hall Stevenson
At 03:24 PM 10/13/2003, you wrote:
Could anyone tell me wether I can run multiple instances of emerge at the 
same
time or not?  I guess it depends on how well it loks the portage database?

I'm asking because I'd like to run a big emerge (e.g. mozilla or kde) and 
then
run several smaller ones (e.g. host, pciutils) at the same time so I can get
on with configuring and setting up the little bits while the big bits are
building.
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=30842 

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[gentoo-user] gnucash not working properly

2003-10-13 Thread glennpj
I recently installed Gentoo Linux-1.4 and emerged gnome which gave me 
gnome 2.4.  I emerged gnucash as well.  I get the following error when 
trying to launch help or reports. 

gtkhtml-ERROR **: gconf error: Failed to contact configuration server (a likely cause 
of this is that you have an existing configuration server (gconfd) running, but it 
isn't reachable from here - if you're logged in from two machines at once, you may 
need to enable TCP networking for ORBit)
 
 
aborting...
Aborted

I searched the discussion forum and see that other people had the same 
problem.  The consensus is to start gconfd-1 separately but that causes 
problems depending on when it is started.  If I start it during gnome 
startup then nautilus gets confused and does not draw the 
desktop background.

Also, I have Save Window Geometry set in the Advanced settings dialog 
but the window geometries are not saved.

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[gentoo-user] Re: Installation question : Biostar IDEQ 200N

2003-10-13 Thread mikpolniak
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:46:35 -0700, Daniel Wood wrote:


 
 So the mistake I made is that I'm not interested in using the RAID
 hardware controller, just the sata drives, but I didn't notice that this
 unit's sata support is with a RAID controller.
 
 It seems like some of the other kernels might have support for this, but I
 don't know how to get to that point.
 
The changelog for kernel 2.6.0-test5 shows:
 ide: add very basic support for VIA 8237 SATA controller 

I am currently using 2.6.0-test7 without any problems but i dont have SATA
drives.So you might want to give test7 a try.


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[gentoo-user] Question about this mailing list

2003-10-13 Thread Hall Stevenson
I've been noticing something in quoted messages and thought this is a very 
well-behaved group, but now I suspect it's the mailing list software 
:-) Sorry guys and girls. Anyway, I'm referring to parts of the quoted 
messages being snipped out. I've never seen that done before and kinda 
like it. Often, people do quote way too much. I'm wondering if this 
possibly snips too much out too. I mean, I may not read the original but 
then a reply catches my attention.

Regards
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RE: [gentoo-user] Question about this mailing list

2003-10-13 Thread Jeffrey Smelser
Thats the group itself, I don't think thats the software. I have never seen the list 
software cut any of my replyies like that. I do it normally..

 I've been noticing something in quoted messages and thought 
 this is a very 
 well-behaved group, but now I suspect it's the mailing list 
 software 
 :-) Sorry guys and girls. Anyway, I'm referring to parts of 
 the quoted 
 messages being snipped out. I've never seen that done 
 before and kinda 
 like it. Often, people do quote way too much. I'm wondering if this 
 possibly snips too much out too. I mean, I may not read the 
 original but 
 then a reply catches my attention.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Please reply to confirm:1066043516.2289_59.htpc message and allow delivery

2003-10-13 Thread Joshua Banks
Yup, 
Got the same thing as well.

JBanks
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 It was from the same idiot, tho'.
 
 Stroller.
 
 
 
 On 13 Oct 2003, at 6:47 pm, Ernie Schroder wrote:
 
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RE: [gentoo-user] Question about this mailing list

2003-10-13 Thread Mark Knecht
 -Original Message-
 From: Hall Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 1:06 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [gentoo-user] Question about this mailing list
 
 
 
 I've been noticing something...
SNIP
 ...I'm referring to parts of the quoted 
 messages being snipped out.
SNIP

Done by hand here

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Re: [gentoo-user] Running mulitiple Window Mangers/Desktops?

2003-10-13 Thread David Friggens
* Joshua Banks [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-10-13 03:26]:
 Does this mean that XFree is my window manger and KDE is an
 extension of XFree?
 What specifically is the difference between WindowMangers and Desktops? When I go 
 here,

Have a read of Section 16.1: What is X here:
http://www.netbsd.org/guide/en/chap-x.html#id3025038
for a brief explanation of X server, window manager and desktop.


 have the abliity to choose which desktop that I use when I get my
 LOGIN promtp with KDM.

Each installed window manager / desktop will install a file in
/etc/X11/Sessions which is used by {x,g,k}dm etc.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Installation question : Biostar IDEQ 200N

2003-10-13 Thread Daniel Wood
On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 12:50, mikpolniak wrote:
 On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:46:35 -0700, Daniel Wood wrote:
 
 
  
  So the mistake I made is that I'm not interested in using the RAID
  hardware controller, just the sata drives, but I didn't notice that this
  unit's sata support is with a RAID controller.
  
  It seems like some of the other kernels might have support for this, but I
  don't know how to get to that point.
  
 The changelog for kernel 2.6.0-test5 shows:
  ide: add very basic support for VIA 8237 SATA controller 
 
 I am currently using 2.6.0-test7 without any problems but i dont have SATA
 drives.So you might want to give test7 a try.
 
 
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Thanks mikpolniak! 

I will definitely look at that kernel.  So the question is...

How do I get to use that kernel during the initial installation?  The
live-cd has some number of kernels, if none of them support the sata
controller, how do I go about using another one for the initial
installation?

Thanks for your help!
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Re: [gentoo-user] Multiple emerges

2003-10-13 Thread Jayson Garrell
On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 12:24, Jon Dye wrote:
 Hello,
 
 Could anyone tell me wether I can run multiple instances of emerge at the same 
 time or not?  I guess it depends on how well it loks the portage database?

I have done this many time my self with out problems. I would say to do
a 
emerge -p packname
first and as long as there are no conflicting packages, a package that
both want to install, all should be ok.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Installation question : Biostar IDEQ 200N

2003-10-13 Thread brett holcomb
During the install you are given a chance to build a 
kernel.  You'll have to do an ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~arch 
emerge kernel you want.  Check portage for the kernels 
available.

On 13 Oct 2003 13:13:42 -0700
 Daniel Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 12:50, mikpolniak wrote:

I will definitely look at that kernel.  So the question 
is...

How do I get to use that kernel during the initial 
installation?  The
live-cd has some number of kernels, if none of them 
support the sata
controller, how do I go about using another one for the 
initial
installation?

Thanks for your help!
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[gentoo-user] multiple kernels emerge nvidia-kernel?

2003-10-13 Thread Greg Yasko
Hi. I'm interested in installing both the gentoo-sources kernel and the 
vanilla-sources, so that there's a fallback if vanilla-sources doesn't 
run well.

If I emerge and build both kernels during a fresh gentoo install, will 
emerging nvidia-kernel install the nvidia driver for both kernels?

Thanks.

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RE: [gentoo-user] Re: Installation question : Biostar IDEQ 200N

2003-10-13 Thread Jeffrey Smelser
I think he is talking FOR the installation. If the kernel that is on the live cd 
doesn't support what he wants, can he choose another..


being I never have used a cd. I can't help.. Just trying to clear up the question.. Am 
I correct?

 
 During the install you are given a chance to build a 
 kernel.  You'll have to do an ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~arch 
 emerge kernel you want.  Check portage for the kernels 
 available.
 
SNIP
 How do I get to use that kernel during the initial 
 installation?  The
 live-cd has some number of kernels, if none of them 
 support the sata
 controller, how do I go about using another one for the 
 initial
 installation?
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Re: [gentoo-user] multiple kernels emerge nvidia-kernel?

2003-10-13 Thread Paul Fraser
No, you'll have to boot the kernel then emerge it.


On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 06:30, Greg Yasko wrote:
 Hi. I'm interested in installing both the gentoo-sources kernel and the 
 vanilla-sources, so that there's a fallback if vanilla-sources doesn't 
 run well.
 
 If I emerge and build both kernels during a fresh gentoo install, will 
 emerging nvidia-kernel install the nvidia driver for both kernels?
 
 Thanks.
 
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Re: [gentoo-user] multiple kernels emerge nvidia-kernel?

2003-10-13 Thread Ernie Schroder
On Monday 13 October 2003 04:39 pm, Paul Fraser wrote:
 No, you'll have to boot the kernel then emerge it.

Is this strictly correct or would the nvidia kernel and glx modules 
build in the kernel linked to /usr/src/linux? 

 On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 06:30, Greg Yasko wrote:
  Hi. I'm interested in installing both the gentoo-sources kernel
  and the vanilla-sources, so that there's a fallback if
  vanilla-sources doesn't run well.
 
  If I emerge and build both kernels during a fresh gentoo install,
  will emerging nvidia-kernel install the nvidia driver for both
  kernels?
 
  Thanks.
 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Installation question : Biostar IDEQ 200N

2003-10-13 Thread brett holcomb
Could be.  It wasn't clear to me.  

On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:31:12 -0500
 Jeffrey Smelser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think he is talking FOR the installation. If the kernel 
that is on the live cd doesn't support what he wants, can 
he choose another..

being I never have used a cd. I can't help.. Just trying 
to clear up the question.. Am I correct?

During the install you are given a chance to build a 
kernel.  You'll have to do an ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~arch 
emerge kernel you want.  Check portage for the kernels 
available.

SNIP
How do I get to use that kernel during the initial 
installation?  The
live-cd has some number of kernels, if none of them 
support the sata
controller, how do I go about using another one for the 
initial
installation?
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Re: [gentoo-user] multiple kernels emerge nvidia-kernel?

2003-10-13 Thread mathieu perrenoud
On Monday 13 October 2003 22:39, Paul Fraser wrote:
 No, you'll have to boot the kernel then emerge it.

 On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 06:30, Greg Yasko wrote:
  Hi. I'm interested in installing both the gentoo-sources kernel and the
  vanilla-sources, so that there's a fallback if vanilla-sources doesn't
  run well.
 
  If I emerge and build both kernels during a fresh gentoo install, will
  emerging nvidia-kernel install the nvidia driver for both kernels?

nvidia compile against the kernel pointed by the link /usr/src/linux

1. link /usr/src/linux to the 1st kernel sources
2. emerge nvidia-kernel
3. link to the second kernel
4. emerge nvidia-kernel

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[gentoo-user] Setting up menus in KDE

2003-10-13 Thread Jon Dye
Hi,

I'm used to debian where every package sets up a menu entry in KDE/gnome 
automatically, is there something like this for gentoo?  If not is there an 
autmated way of creating menus so I don't have to add all my programs by 
hand?

JD


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RE: [gentoo-user] Problem on booting after installation.

2003-10-13 Thread Kevin Bucknum
1) At time of installation
Installing additional hardware-specific ebuilds

# emerge emuk10k1
(Creative Sound Blaster Live!/Audigy support)

It took more 2 hours without completion.  The screen was still 
moving.  
Finally I rebooted the PC by pressing Ctrl+Alt+Del

2) At time of installation

emerge -k xfree

Problem and solution same as above


3) After reboot the PC
# emerge -k kde

Problem and solution same as above.

# which kde
could not find it

All download times were very short and the installation time 
was too long.  
The screen continued moving 'writing file/fonts, deleting 
file/fonts, etc.'



How fast is your machine - on my little PIII 733 xfree takes about 8 hours
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[gentoo-user] Users perspective of Mandrake 9.2 vs. Gentoo

2003-10-13 Thread Bryan Whitehead
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Installation question : Biostar IDEQ 200N

2003-10-13 Thread Daniel Wood
Thanks for the replies, and sorry for the confusion...

Brett : the issue is actually step 6 of the installation where I cannot
see my sata drives to partition, etc.

So to be clear here it is :

I have a Biostar IDEQ 200N with a VIA VT6420 SATA RAID controller in it.

the machine has two, completely blank, new sata drives plugged into
channel0 and channel1 of SATA controller and a dvd player/recorder.

I stick in the live-cd, it boots nicely (looks great btw), and I end up
at root's bash prompt.  Networking working great, things look good.

At this point, according to step 6 of the install
(http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-x86-install.xml#doc_chap6), I need
to fdisk to create partitions.  A the rub, I don't have any
hard-drives showing up in /dev.  I've got /dev/hdc - dvd player, but
that's it.

My fairly safe guess is that the VIA VT6420 SATA RAID controller isn't
'detected' and thus, neither are my drives.  My googling/foruming/MI has
indicated that there are other kernels which *might* detect this
controller.

But...  how to use?

If I cannot have access to the drives at all, what--if anything--can I
do to actually use an alternative kernel (i.e. one that's not on the
liveCD)? 

I thought about the knopplix (sp?) boot disk to see if it detected the
controller (people seem to indicate that it detects alot of hardware),
but then I wouldn't know what to do if it did :)

Now, as I write this, one additional thing comes to mind:

If I choose to boot the smp-nofb kernel, I get an additional message
during bootup.  I'm not at the computer now, so I cannot even confirm
that it is at all related, but I recall it saying something about
something-something IRQ 7 something-something (that's embarrassing, but
that's all I can recall).

Thanks in advance everyone!
daniel

On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 13:27, brett holcomb wrote:
 During the install you are given a chance to build a 
 kernel.  You'll have to do an ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~arch 
 emerge kernel you want.  Check portage for the kernels 
 available.
 
 On 13 Oct 2003 13:13:42 -0700
   Daniel Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 12:50, mikpolniak wrote:
 
 I will definitely look at that kernel.  So the question 
 is...
 
 How do I get to use that kernel during the initial 
 installation?  The
 live-cd has some number of kernels, if none of them 
 support the sata
 controller, how do I go about using another one for the 
 initial
 installation?
 
 Thanks for your help!
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RE: [gentoo-user] Users perspective of Mandrake 9.2 vs. Gentoo

2003-10-13 Thread Mark Knecht
 
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