Re: [gentoo-user] dev-lang/perl upgrade failure
Hi, On Tue, May 10 at 09:11, Matt Connell wrote: > I can't figure out why a perl update isn't building. This is only > happening on one single machine out of the half dozen Gentoo systems I > have running. I've never had issues building perl itself either. > Modules sure, but never the main perl package. > > My search-fu is failing me as well, apparently, so I turn to y'all. > Can someone point me in the right direction? You might want to check out https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-8680082.html The solution suggested is to clear out obsolete and unmaintained packages which may be causing your build to hit the error check with. emerge -av --depclean perl-cleaner --all Always a good idea to do a regular cleanup with depclean and I suggest running perl-cleaner with the -p "pretend" option first. HTH -- Bob Dunlop
Re: [gentoo-user] which lenovo or huawei laptop?
Hi, On Wed, Apr 06 at 09:05, Wols Lists wrote: > On 06/04/2022 19:53, n952162 wrote: > > I bought a bottom of the line HP laptop and had only problems with > > unsupported chips. I'd like to buy a lenovo or huawei now. Has anyone > > had bad experiences porting /gentoo/ to either? > > > If you're prepared to pay decent money (there's no such thing as a > "bottom of the line" here), try these people > > https://junocomputers.com/product-category/laptops/ For UK buyers I'd recommend PC Specialist #1, I brought a 14" Lafite laptop from them in January 2019. What attracted me was a warantee that wasn't broken by opening the case or installing your own components. Also when I asked pre-sales support they where very open about the fact it was a rebadged Clevo N130BU, gave me the URL for the service manual and confirmed stock Ubuntu should run out the box. Linux Mint did when I tried it, not had an issue with it since. Now none of this is of much interest to the original poster who I think had a .de address apart for the idea of looking for a local supplier of rebadged Clevo devices. Lots of people do, I think at least some of Juno's stock is Clevo and know System76 used to albeit with modified firmware. #1 https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/ -- Bob Dunlop
Re: [gentoo-user] Is "-flto" supported by Gentoo?
On 22 March 2017 at 02:20, P Levine wrote:
> A while back I decided to try my hand at including " -flto" in my
> C{XX}FLAGS and do `emerge -e @world`. Needless to say, by the end of it my
> "/etc/portage/package.env" was filled with a list of packages that had to
> disable the flag either because it failed to build or broke other builds.
> I never reported them as bugs because I always assumed the flag was unsafe
> and unsupported by Gentoo.
>
> Lately, I have been trying to fix some GCC-6 related bugs and have come
> across some bug reports that seem possibly more "-flto" related than GCC-6
> related. Doing a search for "-flto", Gentoo bugtracker, a number of open
> bugreports clearly show them to be "-flto" bugs in their titles.
>
> Does Gentoo support the "-flto" flag and are "-flto" related bugreports
> valid?
>
See this Gentoo forum thread on the subject that I've read/followed with
interest ... https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1052716.html
I haven't tried any LTO building since gcc 4.9.x - it was a bit of pain in
the bum as I recall :-)
Bob
Re: [gentoo-user] Diagnosing file corruption
On 6 August 2015 at 01:34, Bryan Gardiner wrote: > Hello list, > > > > This is the disk: > > *-disk > description: ATA Disk > product: ST1000LM024 HN-M > vendor: Seagate > physical id: 0.0.0 > bus info: scsi@4:0.0.0 > logical name: /dev/sda > version: 0001 > size: 931GiB (1TB) > capabilities: gpt-1.00 partitioned partitioned:gpt > configuration: ansiversion=5 > guid=---- sectorsize=4096 > > Thanks for any help you can provide, > Bryan > Complex question. Simple answer... Spinrite :-) -- All the best, Robert
Re: [gentoo-user] Searching for Overlays
On 6 August 2015 at 09:50, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 06/08/2015 03:27, James wrote: > > OK so yes I know overlays in the wild can be disastrous. > > Reading the devmanual while parsing through various ebuilds > > both portage and in the wild, does make for some interesting > > reading:: ymmv. > > > > I'm not sure my overlay (kung_fu) is complete. > > > > > > 'layman -L' lists reasonably qualified overlay sites; but you > > have to add them to search out their content directly. > > > > 'eix -R ' will search far and wide for a given > > overlay; like the distributed database 'cassandra. > > > > Some googling suggest that zugaina contains a master list of overlays? > > (not sure how true this is). > > > > I'm not sure if 'eix -R' or 'browsing zugaina' provides the widest > possible > > list of (mostly safe) overlay sites. > > > > Last, googling for the name + ebuild or overlay can find packages, > > but if the archive (git etc) is not listed with a layman -L:: be > > very cautious audit the details of the overlay. > > > > Specifically, on dev-db/cassandara I find 2.1.3 and 2.12 > > ([5] "spike-community-overlay" layman/spike-community-overlay) > > > > but the cassandra.apache.org site shows 2.1.8 and 2.20 as the > > stable and testing downloads currently available. So is it safe > > to use the "spike-community" overlay as a basis to update the cassandra > > ebuild I have available? > > > > In general, is there a list (even a private list) of know good/bad > > actors on these overlay sites? > > > > > > Any further tidbits on searching out and qualifying overlays (yes > > I know only a full code audit is actually safe) that folks use > > or would suggest would be keen. I did see some gentoo wiki pages on the > > subject but they seem terse or dated. > > > To find Joe Random Hacker's overlay and see what's in it, I tend to > browse zugaina. Coverage is decent and most stuff from most folks active > in the Gentoo ecosystem is there. > > If an overlay is not listed on zugaina, these days it tends to be on > github or similar. I usually just do a git checkout and cast my own > eyeballs over the ebuilds. If I'm happy, import into layman (I think > it's -o) with the xml file that should be provided > > Thus far I've had good success. As with everything else in Gentoo it's > buyer beware, and train your eyeballs and brain beforehand. There does > not seem to be an easy shortcuts. > > > -- > Alan McKinnon > alan.mckin...@gmail.com > > > I would concur with Alan. The zugaina site is a very valuable resource. I happen to have an overlay in Layman and I have contacted Ycarus (who runs the zugaina site) when one of my packages wasn't sync'd with Layman. Apparently his site pulls in the overlays on an automated basis (cron job style). It is pretty quick to update/stay in sync though. I tend to look out for "quality" (or lack of) 3rd-party ebuilds by running repoman over them. "Stale Overlays" are pretty easy to spot as well... :-) -- All the best, Robert
Re: [gentoo-user] some keyboard lag
On Mon, 8 Jun 2015 19:57 Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Am 2015-06-08 um 20:25 schrieb J. Roeleveld: > There was a similar thread here before about USB and suspend. Check > that for specifics if in a hurry. Not at computer now to find the > earlier email. didn't find it yet .. but no hurry at all. > Apart from kernel level USB suspend. There are settings in /sys/ > where you can disable USB suspend on a per-device level. .. as mentioned in: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/USB_Power_Saving ? > I would assume Fedora disables that for keyboards and mice (think > previous thread was about mice getting forgotten) when detected as > such. I browsed their udev rules and found some rules pointing in that direction but none specifically matching the PCI ID of my keyboard and the wildcards ... I am not sure. But they seem to do it specifically, yes -> # cat /sys/module/usbcore/parameters/autosuspend 2 # my keyboard # cat /sys/bus/usb/devices/3-1.6/power/control on I assume it won't hurt much if I disable USB autosuspend in general for now? Power savings should be minimal, right? (desktop here, AC etc) Doesn't the powertop utility have a facility to do this per-device and to see what the current power-save settings are per-device? Surely a bit easier to use than directly messing about with udev rules?
Re: [gentoo-user] Tips for fresh install with GRUB2+RAID1+LVM2
On Wed, 20 May 2015 16:09 Peter Humphrey wrote: I followed the instructions in https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GRUB2_Migration , after copying my grub.conf as you suggested, but when I rebooted, the GRUB2 menu text was minuscule, it only included one of the five kernel lines it should have, and when it ran it didn't start my RAID devices. As I said before, maybe later. I need to find out far more about GRUB2 before i dive in, and that's not for today. -- Rgds Peter Personally I feel the Grub 2 OS detection script sucks really badly. So much so that I completely re-wrote it so I got proper entries for my various Windows installs (version accurately detected using chntpw) and multiple Linux distros (sorted/detailed listings for all available kernel versions). OCD probably - but much easier to navigate! One day I might try and open a dialogue with Upstream... ;-) Robert
Re: [gentoo-user] Easy (cough) way to build earlier gentoo-sources 3.18.x kernel?
Sorry folks - I guess I've made a right "dogs dinner" of this whole thread... I'll make more efforts not to be "that noob" next time :-) But I've got the information I needed about how to build old gentoo-sources kernels. So thanks! I've done my tests and the outcome is: 3.8.8 (gentoo-sources - manually built) = NO nfs suspend issue 3.8.9 (gentoo-sources - manually built - nfs specific patches, removed from 1008_linux-3.18.9.patch) = NO nfs suspend issue 3.8.9 (gentoo-sources, stock) = boot hangs with pNFS block error 3.8.10 (gentoo-sources, stock) = nfs suspend issue Anyway that's pretty much what the ML thread was kicked off to achieve - so thanks all! Plus I've written a little script for ordered patch application - so that might come in useful at some point :-) Just wondering in passing what the motivation is for kernel eclass dropping support for automated building of, what many would consider, very recent kernel revisions? Could support not be retained (for renaming kernel versions to build older revisions) - but say masking off these versions as not security patched / maintained? Personally I was quite surprised I couldn't just rename the stock gentoo-sources ebuild to say gentoo-sources-3.18.8.ebuild to pull that kernel revision with automated patching... But perhaps I'm just showing my inexperience / naivety in this matter? -- All the best & thanks, Robert
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Easy (cough) way to build earlier gentoo-sources 3.18.x kernel?
On 31 March 2015 at 23:10, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: > On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:17:27AM +0100, Bob Wya wrote: > >@Nicolas, > >I think I'm getting it now. The patchsets are cumulative and I just > >need the base patchset - right? > > base, extras and experimental are all applied. > > > > -- > Nicolas Sebrecht > > @Nicolas, The experimental patchset is only applied if the experimental USE flag is enabled surely?? See I'm learning stuff now! :-) -- All the best, Robert
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: online browsable ebuilds by arch?
On 31 March 2015 at 08:31, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 05:21:13 + (UTC), James wrote: > > > > It's not quite what you are asking for, but packages.g.o lets you > > > filter by arch, and view the contents of ebuilds. > > > > Yea, I have seen that often when I google. Correct but is not > > comprehensive but chronologically organized. I'm looking for something > > organized by what your see, when you 'cd' into the /usr/portage dir > > comprehensive by category but filters so only those packages available > > for that specified arch are visible. > > Yes, the old p.g.o let you browse categories, but the current incarnation > does not appear to. > > > -- > Neil Bothwick > > And if you say "No", I shall be forced to shoot you. > Ycarus responds really to quickly to issues with the gpo site... Perhaps a feature request could be put in for a new "arch" tab - to be added a future date? -- All the best, Robert
Re: [gentoo-user] Easy (cough) way to build earlier gentoo-sources 3.18.x kernel?
Neil, (a) Should I download the vanilla 3.18.1 kernel sources and apply all the gentoo-sources tar-ball patches in numerical order?? (b) I tried downloading the vanilla 3.18.8 kernel. But of course the earlier gentoo-sources 3.18.1 - 3.18.6 patches don't apply cleanly... Will I get to the same place if I ignore these?? Or should I go with option (a) :-) Thanks On 31 March 2015 at 12:00, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 09:51:11 +0100, Bob Wya wrote: > > lease don't top-post, it is frowned upon on this list, and for good > reason. > > > Simply changing the ebuild version to 3.18.1 doesn't work. The kernel-2 > > eclass simply won't allow one to build a gentoo-sources 3.18.x kernel > > lower than / before 3.18.9 now. (Try it if you don't believe me...) > > That was the first thing I tried. :-) > > I wasn't suggesting renaming the ebuild but downloading the older > version. However, on checking the content I see it still uses the > kernel-2 eclass. You can deal with this by downloading the older version > of the eclass from CVS and putting it in an overlay, but it's probably > easier to just apply the patches manually in this case. > > gentoo-sources uses both the base and extra patchsets from genpatches. > > > -- > Neil Bothwick > > Fragile. Do not turn umop ap1sdn! > -- All the best, Robert
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Easy (cough) way to build earlier gentoo-sources 3.18.x kernel?
@Nicolas, I think I'm getting it now. The patchsets are cumulative and I just need the base patchset - right? I'm still a little unclear as to what kernel source I should apply the base patchset to. I want to rebuild the 3.18.8 kernel to double check it's free of the bug... I can see some nfs suspend patches here... So that could be culprit! http://dev.gentoo.org/~mpagano/genpatches/trunk/3.18/1008_linux-3.18.9.patch On 31 March 2015 at 10:00, Bob Wya wrote: > @Nicolas > This is the first place I went to. But I don't understand what all the > different tar balls of gentoo kernel patch-sets actually mean. It would > nice if the site had a little a bit of Wiki love to make it clearer. For > example I can't figure out what steps are needed to apply the patchsets, to > a vanilla kernel, to get a gentoo-sources kernel. > > On 31 March 2015 at 00:16, Nicolas Sebrecht > wrote: > >> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 06:45:40PM -0400, Fernando Rodriguez wrote: >> >> > You can use git. I believe gentoo patches are only for config options >> so if you >> > configure it with make oldconfig it *should* be the same as using >> gentoo- >> > sources. >> >> Actually no, gentoo-sources aren't vanilla kernel while efforts are made >> to avoid including intrusive patches. >> >> http://dev.gentoo.org/~mpagano/genpatches/about.htm >> http://dev.gentoo.org/~mpagano/genpatches >> >> ,-) >> >> -- >> Nicolas Sebrecht >> >> > > > -- > > All the best, > Robert > > -- All the best, Robert
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Easy (cough) way to build earlier gentoo-sources 3.18.x kernel?
@Nicolas This is the first place I went to. But I don't understand what all the different tar balls of gentoo kernel patch-sets actually mean. It would nice if the site had a little a bit of Wiki love to make it clearer. For example I can't figure out what steps are needed to apply the patchsets, to a vanilla kernel, to get a gentoo-sources kernel. On 31 March 2015 at 00:16, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: > On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 06:45:40PM -0400, Fernando Rodriguez wrote: > > > You can use git. I believe gentoo patches are only for config options so > if you > > configure it with make oldconfig it *should* be the same as using gentoo- > > sources. > > Actually no, gentoo-sources aren't vanilla kernel while efforts are made > to avoid including intrusive patches. > > http://dev.gentoo.org/~mpagano/genpatches/about.htm > http://dev.gentoo.org/~mpagano/genpatches > > ,-) > > -- > Nicolas Sebrecht > > -- All the best, Robert
Re: [gentoo-user] Easy (cough) way to build earlier gentoo-sources 3.18.x kernel?
Neil, Simply changing the ebuild version to 3.18.1 doesn't work. The kernel-2 eclass simply won't allow one to build a gentoo-sources 3.18.x kernel lower than / before 3.18.9 now. (Try it if you don't believe me...) That was the first thing I tried. :-) On 31 March 2015 at 00:05, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 23:22:58 +0100, Bob Wya wrote: > > > I'm getting a bit bogged down trying to build an early release of the > > 3.18 kernel. Since I can't automatically go back before 3.18.9 now > > (using portage anyway)... > > > https://sources.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/sys-kernel/gentoo-sources/?hideattic=0 > > Pick the versions you want and copy the ebuilds to a local overlay. > > > -- > Neil Bothwick > > In a classified ad: "Tired of cleaning yourself? Let me do it." > -- All the best, Robert
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Easy (cough) way to build earlier gentoo-sources 3.18.x kernel?
@Holger, that's my symptoms to tee... :-) Strangely it doesn't effect Arch Linux - running on the same box - with a newer 3.19.2 kernel. So they must have a patch for the issue (but I can't figure out what). Perhaps I'll check through the (stock) kernel configuration as well - to check it matches mine. Thanks On 31 March 2015 at 01:29, Holger Hoffstätte < holger.hoffstae...@googlemail.com> wrote: > On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 23:22:58 +0100, Bob Wya wrote: > > > I'm getting a bit bogged down trying to build an early release of the > 3.18 > > kernel. Since I can't automatically go back before 3.18.9 now (using > > portage anyway)... > > > > Basically I trying to check if a suspend/resume issue I've got was > > introduced after the 3.18 kernel was released (or was in the base > release). > > I've got a reproduce-able failure to suspend-to-ram with >=3.18.x gentoo > > kernel sources. However this issue is not present with the gentoo kernel > > sources <=3.17.x. (A systemd nfs client mount problem - which blocks the > > suspend-to-ram process.) > > You are probably looking at this bug: > http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.nfs/69717 > > This was introduced in 3.18.9 (as you found out), so simply using vanilla > 3.18.8 should fix it; I don't remember seeing it before. > I never bothered to try and now just stop NFS before suspend. 3.19.x gained > the same problem. > > -h > > >
[gentoo-user] Easy (cough) way to build earlier gentoo-sources 3.18.x kernel?
I'm getting a bit bogged down trying to build an early release of the 3.18 kernel. Since I can't automatically go back before 3.18.9 now (using portage anyway)... Basically I trying to check if a suspend/resume issue I've got was introduced after the 3.18 kernel was released (or was in the base release). I've got a reproduce-able failure to suspend-to-ram with >=3.18.x gentoo kernel sources. However this issue is not present with the gentoo kernel sources <=3.17.x. (A systemd nfs client mount problem - which blocks the suspend-to-ram process.) I had a look at the kernel-2 eclass and my head started to hurt... Do I need to wade into the weeds or is there a "short-cut" I can take to go back to the earliest gentoo-sources 3.18 kernel build :-) -- Thanks, Robert
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: http://gitweb.gentoo.org/user/
It's a neat idea - but the process could be a little speedier... Took me about 3 months to get my Overlay registered with Layman... On 26 March 2015 at 01:53, James wrote: > Mike Gilbert gentoo.org> writes: > > > > > It says /user/ so are these just ordinary users? > > As far as I know, any gentoo user can create a repository there, so > > long as they are going to use it for something Gentoo-related. > > Ah. excellent. > > > > Just file a bug under the Gentoo Overlays component. > > > https://bugs.gentoo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Gentoo%20 > Infrastructure&component=Gentoo%20Overlays > > > See also this blog entry: > > > https://blog.hartwork.org/?p=843 > > I guess this compliments project sunrise. > Pretty cool... > > thx, > James > > > > -- All the best, Robert
Re: [gentoo-user] openrc->systemd command comparison
I've not seen any that are OpenRC specific... But this one is pretty decent for SysVInit vs. systemd... http://linoxide.com/linux-command/systemd-vs-sysvinit-cheatsheet/ On 17 March 2015 at 01:58, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 7:47 PM, Daniel Frey wrote: > > > > Hey all, > > > > I've now converted two systems to systemd and so far haven't had too > > much issues with systemd itself, other than me constantly forgetting > > commands. > > > > Is there a nice table or chart somewhere that lists openrc commands with > > equivalent systemd commands? That would really help me from bashing my > > head and then wandering through man pages for a while trying to figure > > out what I want to do. I'll eventually remember but it would be nice to > > have something to help me along. My memory sure isn't what it used to be. > > I remember seeing a table like that in the wiki a long time ago, but I > can't find it now. Anyway, the translatable commands are obvious: > > /etc/init.d/service start → systemctl start service > /etc/init.d/service stop → systemctl stop service > > and the rest are usually are not translatable. There is nothing like > "systemctl mask service" in OpenRC, AFAIK, and there is no equivalent for > "/etc/init.d/service zap" in systemd (the whole idea of systemd is that an > ugly hack like zap will never be necessary). > > Not sure if this will help you. > > Regards. > -- > Canek Peláez Valdés > Profesor de asignatura, Facultad de Ciencias > Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México > -- All the best, Robert
Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} offline backups
I own a BluRay writer. A few years ago I had a serious attempt at BluRay archival storage. It works - but it's slow (very slow) and expensive. Then there is the cost / GB - that remains high due to the low volume of BD-RE media sales... Now factor in the super high volume of MLC NAND flash SSDs prevalent on today's mass market. A good SSD will last far longer than the slowly degrading dye on a BD-RE disc. Just dust off an Intel SSD every 5 years and to run a level 2 Spinrite scan on it and it could potentially hold data for decades... No optical media could match that... All the best, Robert On 3 Mar 2015 18:00, wrote: > Am Dienstag, 03.03.2015 um 07:51 > schrieb Grant : > > > I have several encrypted backup repositories online and I'd like to > > somehow mirror that offline. I currently have about 20G of data to > > back up. Any ideas? Rewritable Blu-Ray? > > I never had a Blu-Ray writer, so I don't know how reliable these medias > are. But I avoid CDs and DVDs since many years because I made the > experience that optical medias are faulty when you really need them. > > I use harddisks for my backups and I always use RAID. Harddisks are > much more reliable (as long as you avoid concussions etc.) and also > much faster. > > Greetings > wabe > >
Re: [gentoo-user] the new ssd, is it happy?
So it probably is Samsung's dodgy firmware not working with the SATA-3.0 extensions (aka SATA 3.1). Like I mentioned I can't even run my Samsung SSD's @6Gbit because none of the models I own support deterministic trim - which is a much bigger problem than yours! I assumed the 850 Pro would support deterministic trim - as the 840 Pro models supported it - but hell no! I wouldn't rely on any firmware updates from Samsung to fix any of this stuff... It has to be really, really bad - like the 840 issues - before they'll pull their finger out. I'll certainly be raising a support issue, over the lack of non-deterministic trim support in the 850 Pro firmware, but I expect that will get as far as my LSI Support issue did... :-( On 26 February 2015 at 10:16, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: > On 25.02.2015 17:16, Bob Wya wrote: > > > For my Samsung 830 / 850 Pro SSDs I don't see any similar NCQ queuing > > error(s) in my boot logs (they are hooked up to the Intel Controller just > > now - since I can't connect them to my 6Gbit LSI Controller - arrrggg!!) > > > > Perhaps this issue is confined to the Samsung EVO lines? > > It seems like. > > Maybe I had that with the 840 EVO already, I never looked so close ... > but now as I put the 840 into the thinkpad I see that behavior there as > well! > > And the 840 had some firmware updates already while there are no updates > yet for the 850. > > -- All the best, Robert
Re: [gentoo-user] the new ssd, is it happy?
Ahhh, Quoting from the Intel 6 Series Chipset pdf... >> The PCH supports the Serial ATA Specification, Revision 3.0. The PCH also supports >> several optional sections of the Serial ATA II: Extensions to Serial ATA 1.0 Specification, >> Revision 1.0 (AHCI support is required for some elements). Please see Section 1.3 for >> details on SKU feature availability. So your (newer) Intel Chipset supports the SATA-3 specification. That's probably why you are seeing the issue and I'm not... On 25 February 2015 at 16:16, Bob Wya wrote: > So this is for my motherboard's (Nehalem - so only one generation before > yours) onboard Intel Host Controller... Only a SATA-2 3Gbit capable device. > > 00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) SATA > AHCI Controller (prog-if 01 [AHCI 1.0]) > Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. P5Q Deluxe Motherboard > Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- > ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx+ > Status: Cap+ 66MHz+ UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- > SERR- Latency: 0 > Interrupt: pin B routed to IRQ 27 > Region 0: I/O ports at 8c00 [size=8] > Region 1: I/O ports at 8880 [size=4] > Region 2: I/O ports at 8800 [size=8] > Region 3: I/O ports at 8480 [size=4] > Region 4: I/O ports at 8400 [size=32] > Region 5: Memory at f7efc000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=2K] > Capabilities: [80] MSI: Enable+ Count=1/16 Maskable- 64bit- > Address: fee0 Data: 4082 > Capabilities: [70] Power Management version 3 > Flags: PMEClk- DSI- D1- D2- AuxCurrent=0mA > PME(D0-,D1-,D2-,D3hot+,D3cold-) > Status: D0 NoSoftRst+ PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=0 PME- > Capabilities: [a8] SATA HBA v1.0 BAR4 Offset=0004 > Capabilities: [b0] PCI Advanced Features > AFCap: TP+ FLR+ > AFCtrl: FLR- > AFStatus: TP- > Kernel driver in use: ahci > > uname -r > 3.19.0-gentoo > > For my Samsung 830 / 850 Pro SSDs I don't see any similar NCQ queuing > error(s) in my boot logs (they are hooked up to the Intel Controller just > now - since I can't connect them to my 6Gbit LSI Controller - arrrggg!!) > > Perhaps this issue is confined to the Samsung EVO lines? > > > On 25 February 2015 at 15:02, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: > >> On 25.02.2015 14:18, Bob Wya wrote: >> >> > Just out of interest what make is the Host Controller on your >> > motherboard... Is it a Intel one? Or some crappy addon chipset? Perhaps >> you >> > could post the output of lscpi (with lots of - flags - just the Host >> > Controller bit)? >> >> >> 00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset >> Family SATA AHCI Controller (rev 05) (prog-if 01 [AHCI 1.0]) >> Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset >> Family >> SATA AHCI Controller >> Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- >> ParErr- >> Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx+ >> Status: Cap+ 66MHz+ UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- >> SERR- > Latency: 0 >> Interrupt: pin B routed to IRQ 26 >> Region 0: I/O ports at f070 [size=8] >> Region 1: I/O ports at f060 [size=4] >> Region 2: I/O ports at f050 [size=8] >> Region 3: I/O ports at f040 [size=4] >> Region 4: I/O ports at f020 [size=32] >> Region 5: Memory at fb205000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=2K] >> Capabilities: [80] MSI: Enable+ Count=1/1 Maskable- 64bit- >> Address: feeff00c Data: 41d1 >> Capabilities: [70] Power Management version 3 >> Flags: PMEClk- DSI- D1- D2- AuxCurrent=0mA >> PME(D0-,D1-,D2-,D3hot+,D3cold-) >> Status: D0 NoSoftRst+ PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=0 PME- >> Capabilities: [a8] SATA HBA v1.0 BAR4 Offset=0004 >> Capabilities: [b0] PCI Advanced Features >> AFCap: TP+ FLR+ >> AFCtrl: FLR- >> AFStatus: TP- >> Kernel driver in use: ahci >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > > All the best, > Robert > > -- All the best, Robert
Re: [gentoo-user] the new ssd, is it happy?
So this is for my motherboard's (Nehalem - so only one generation before yours) onboard Intel Host Controller... Only a SATA-2 3Gbit capable device. 00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) SATA AHCI Controller (prog-if 01 [AHCI 1.0]) Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. P5Q Deluxe Motherboard Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx+ Status: Cap+ 66MHz+ UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- SERR- wrote: > On 25.02.2015 14:18, Bob Wya wrote: > > > Just out of interest what make is the Host Controller on your > > motherboard... Is it a Intel one? Or some crappy addon chipset? Perhaps > you > > could post the output of lscpi (with lots of - flags - just the Host > > Controller bit)? > > > 00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset > Family SATA AHCI Controller (rev 05) (prog-if 01 [AHCI 1.0]) > Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset > Family > SATA AHCI Controller > Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- > Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx+ > Status: Cap+ 66MHz+ UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- > SERR- Latency: 0 > Interrupt: pin B routed to IRQ 26 > Region 0: I/O ports at f070 [size=8] > Region 1: I/O ports at f060 [size=4] > Region 2: I/O ports at f050 [size=8] > Region 3: I/O ports at f040 [size=4] > Region 4: I/O ports at f020 [size=32] > Region 5: Memory at fb205000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=2K] > Capabilities: [80] MSI: Enable+ Count=1/1 Maskable- 64bit- > Address: feeff00c Data: 41d1 > Capabilities: [70] Power Management version 3 > Flags: PMEClk- DSI- D1- D2- AuxCurrent=0mA > PME(D0-,D1-,D2-,D3hot+,D3cold-) > Status: D0 NoSoftRst+ PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=0 PME- > Capabilities: [a8] SATA HBA v1.0 BAR4 Offset=0004 > Capabilities: [b0] PCI Advanced Features > AFCap: TP+ FLR+ > AFCtrl: FLR- > AFStatus: TP- > Kernel driver in use: ahci > > > > > -- All the best, Robert
Re: [gentoo-user] the new ssd, is it happy?
This made me recall having to download and alter a Windows SATA Host Controller driver. For some reason I had to get hold of an 6Gbyte development .iso to do this (that's Microsoft for you)... Now that was fun and games!! Basically because the SATA controller driver tried to enable NCQ (I can't remember which now!!) for some old Hitachi IDE drives - I had hooked these up via a SATA-PATA bridge - "the bridge said NCQ - YES!! - the drive said NCQ - NO!!". The drives would lock up Windows when I hooked them up to the controller and start "twanging" constantly as they were reset, over and over again... I read through that bug report - interesting. It shouldn't be too hard for you add a User patch for your Gentoo kernel - to force-ably disable the attempt to negotiate SATA 3.1 and T13 ATA ACS-3 support - for the SATA connection. Since (I guess) you are building the kernel from source anyway! Basically your 850 EVO returns "RECEIVE/SEND FPDMA QUEUED supported" when initially queried Then when the (Linux) kernel tries to actually queue these commands - the 850 EVO firmware says "Uhhhmm, duh - no I don't know how to do that one"!! Just out of interest what make is the Host Controller on your motherboard... Is it a Intel one? Or some crappy addon chipset? Perhaps you could post the output of lscpi (with lots of - flags - just the Host Controller bit)? I'm starting get the feeling that Samsung take some very caliver shortcuts with the QC on their SSDs. I've recently bought a Samsung 850 Pro - sucker - as I have already experienced poor after-sales support with some Samsung 830 SSD "issues". Now I've found out that the 850 Pro also doesn't support non-deterministic trim - so I can't use it with *any* Host Controllers with LSI-based firmware (or whatever they are called now) - because trim support will be completely disabled!! Sure we all want V-NAND - but perhaps I should have waited a year or two for Intel to catch up... To quote from the bug report (referring to the crappy Samsung 840 EVO firmware): >> I tried to contact Samsung support, but they answered that "for the support of this product, you should contact the reseller". >> In other words, they don't want to answer. >>We are dealing with a drive that claims (during identification) to have a capability that it doesn't actually have. :-( On 25 February 2015 at 12:45, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: > On 25.02.2015 10:23, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: > > > good hint, thanks! I will report back if I find something. > > Swapped the cable and also the SATA-socket on the board. > > It always gives the same result ... > > What is interesting: the HDDs negotiate their NCQ fine: > > > [2.254804] ata2.00: ATA-8: Hitachi HDS721010CLA632, JP4OA41A, max > UDMA/133 > [2.254809] ata2.00: 1953525168 sectors, multi 16: LBA48 NCQ (depth > 31/32), AA > > [2.254842] ata5.00: ATA-8: ST31000524AS, JC4B, max UDMA/133 > [2.254846] ata5.00: 1953525168 sectors, multi 16: LBA48 NCQ (depth > 31/32) > > and that with those cheap cables ... > > I googled that and found > > https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=72341 > > digging through that now :-) > > > -- All the best, Robert
Re: [gentoo-user] the new ssd, is it happy?
Super obvious question... but can you enable AHCI mode for your SATA Controller - in the BIOS. Are you using HP supplied SATA cables - because these may be sucky crap. If so I would try replacing them - especially if they don't have latches on the plugs. I think this is the specification for your motherboard chipset: http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/chipsets/mainstream-chipsets/h67-express-chipset.html So you probably need the decent SATA 3G (6Gbit) cables to get the best support for your SSD. I've had some issues with 6Gbit SATA... Basically you are looking at really high switching speeds - where connector quality makes a huge difference. It might even be worth cleaning out your SATA connectors with isopropyl alcohol (99%). On 24 February 2015 at 20:49, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: > > ordered myself a new and shiny ssd last week. > > one thinkpad still had that 60GB OCZ Vertex3 and that was a bit tight > now and then. > > So I ordered a Samsung SSD 850 EVO 500GB for my desktop and planned to > move the former 840 EVO 250GB to the thinkpad. > > Done today. > > Moving was rather *boring* -> > > partition ssd, add new partition to btrfs filesystem, remove old > partition from btrfs filesystem, wait ~15 minutes, in the meantime copy > over the UEFI ESP to the new disk, install gummiboot there ... > > it booted up at first time ... oh my, what has happened to good old gentoo? > > :-P > > (resized stuff, yes ... but no big blockers anywhere) > > What I would like to discuss now: > > # dmesg | grep ata1 > [1.930869] ata1: SATA max UDMA/133 abar m2048@0xfb205000 port > 0xfb205100 irq 26 > [2.235852] ata1: SATA link up 6.0 Gbps (SStatus 133 SControl 300) > [2.237378] ata1.00: supports DRM functions and may not be fully > accessible > [2.237506] ata1.00: failed to get NCQ Send/Recv Log Emask 0x1 > [2.237509] ata1.00: ATA-9: Samsung SSD 850 EVO 500GB, EMT01B6Q, max > UDMA/133 > [2.237521] ata1.00: 976773168 sectors, multi 1: LBA48 NCQ (depth > 31/32), AA > [2.237979] ata1.00: supports DRM functions and may not be fully > accessible > [2.238071] ata1.00: failed to get NCQ Send/Recv Log Emask 0x1 > [2.238166] ata1.00: configured for UDMA/133 > [20207.916327] ata1: SATA link up 6.0 Gbps (SStatus 133 SControl 300) > [20207.916528] ata1.00: supports DRM functions and may not be fully > accessible > [20207.916598] ata1.00: failed to get NCQ Send/Recv Log Emask 0x1 > [20207.918249] ata1.00: supports DRM functions and may not be fully > accessible > [20207.918325] ata1.00: failed to get NCQ Send/Recv Log Emask 0x1 > [20207.918419] ata1.00: configured for UDMA/133 > > > Are these "failed" lines ok? > > The box itself is a bit older, a > > Hewlett-Packard HP Elite 7300 Series MT/2AB5, BIOS 7.12 > > (I never found a BIOS update! btw ...) > > so maybe the chipset lacks features the SSD might be able to use. > > Everything works fine so far, I would just like to understand if things > are OK with this new piece of hardware. > > additional: > > Device Model: Samsung SSD 850 EVO 500GB > Firmware Version: EMT01B6Q > > I did not find any firmware update online, do you agree? > > Thanks, regards, Stefan > > -- All the best, Robert
Re: [gentoo-user] Report: Experience with f2fs
I would always recommend a secure erase of an SSD - if you want a "fresh start". That will mark all the NAND cells as clear of data. That will benefit the longevity of your device / wear levelling. I've been messing about with native exfat over the past few months. I found this to be a pretty decent shared partition file system - for use with MS Windows. The read performance will saturate a 3Gbit SATA link - but write performance is only in the order of 100Mbytes/second. Personally having been burned by btrfs I would not try one of these "experimental" file systems again... That was the same sort of pattern as your experience. I carefully followed the Arch Wiki (large partition size - due to COW issues, etc.) - was using it on my home brew NAS running OpenSUSE as root /. One day it just "blew up" and was really screwed for recovery (I did manage to get the few small bits of data I needed with some Googling) - as none of the btrfs tools for this actually work! Back to ext4 for root / - now running Arch on that box... Ironically the native ZFS port has always been stable on that box (with a very large storage array)! Just my $0.02!! On 24 February 2015 at 00:46, Peter Humphrey wrote: > Some list members might be interested in how I've got on with f2fs > (flash-friendly file system). > > According to genlop I first installed f2fs on my Atom mini-server box on > 1/11/14 (that's November, for the benefit of transpondians), but I'm > pretty sure it must have been several months before that. I installed a > SanDisk SDSSDP-064G-G25 in late February last year and my admittedly > fallible memory says I changed to f2fs not many months after that, as > soon as I discovered it. > > Until two or three weeks ago I had no problems at all. Then while doing > a routine backup tar started complaining about files having been moved > before it could copy them. It seems I had a copy of an /etc directory > from somewhere (perhaps a previous installation) under /root and some > files when listed showed question marks in all fields except their > names. I couldn't delete them, so I re-created the root partition and > restored from a backup. > > So far so good, but then I started getting strange errors last week. For > instance, dovecot started throwing symbol-not-found errors. Finally, > after remerging whatever packages failed for a few days, > /var/log/messages suddenly appeared as a binary file again, and I'm > pretty sure that bug's been fixed. > > Time to ditch f2fs, I thought, so I created all partitions as ext4 and > restored the oldest backup I still had, then ran emerge -e world and > resumed normal operations. I didn't zero out the partitions with dd; > perhaps I should have. > > I'll watch what happens, but unless the SSD has failed after only a year > I shouldn't have any problems. > > An interesting experience. Why should f2fs work faultlessly for several > months, then suffer repeated failures with no clear pattern? > > -- > Rgds > Peter. > > -- All the best, Robert
Re: [gentoo-user] portage alternatives
Michael, I tried out paludis a few months ago. I do find Portage can be a bit slow. So I thought great - a "C++ version of Portage"! However cave does do much stricter checking and has much more verbose output than emerge (way too much - like eix I guess). I really gave it my best shot to migrate over fully - but had to bale after a couple of weeks of trying to get one clean upgrade cycle. Speed wise - cave was slower than emerge (with no backtracking). So regular day-to-day installs would be quite slow (with the package tree being churned over multiple times). I'm sure I'll give it another go at some point... Maybe I was simply using it wrong... But boy it felt like it was for geeks who think "Portage is way too easy - give me something much harder"!! Robert On 2 February 2015 at 10:26, Michael Vetter wrote: > Hello list, > > just for fun I am reading about alternatives to portage. So far the most > interesting I found are: paludis and pkgsrc. > > paludis mostly because it seems to come from some gentoo-like enviroment > and pkgsrc because of the nice thought to have the same pkg files for > multiple OSes. > > Is anybody of you using one of them and can tell me about pros and cons? > > regards > > -- > Michael > > -- All the best, Robert
Re: [gentoo-user] REQUIRED_USE on dev-db/mariadb-10.0 confuses me
Mick, In these instances I find it easier to look directly at the ebuild file for the package I'm installing... Sadly this highlights the fact that the output from Portage is remarkably obtuse... On 25 January 2015 at 20:56, Mick wrote: > On Sunday 25 Jan 2015 19:41:58 Neil Bothwick wrote: > > On Sun, 25 Jan 2015 19:17:00 +, Mick wrote: > > > Calculating dependencies... done! > > > > > > The following REQUIRED_USE flag constraints are unsatisfied: > > > xml? ( extraengine ) > > > > > > Can you please remind me what the above message means? What is the > > > meaning of the question mark after xml? I remember this has been > > > answered before (at least by Alan) but I can't seem to find the thread > > > just now. > > > > The question mark is a test, what this means is > > > > if USE contains "xml": > > USE most also contain extraengone > > > > Add extraengine to package.use and all should be well. At least until the > > next time emerge decides to puke all over your terminal in an attempt to > > hide the cause of the error :( > > Thanks Neil, I clearly failed the test. :p > > I had added extraengine to package.use and the message went away, but > couldn't > understand why xml *needs* extraengine. So, I stopped and asked here, in > case > I emerge things I don't really need. > -- > Regards, > Mick > -- All the best, Robert
Re: [gentoo-user] SMART drive test results, 2.0 for same drive as before.
It would be far better to use Spinrite (like I mentioned before) - to allow a really low level access to the drive. While Spinrite is running the HDD will not be able to automatically relocate sectors. I've been blown away how effective this piece of software is - even when run with (apparently) very knackered Maxtor drives!! It was like they were brought back from the dead... On 25 January 2015 at 13:41, Mick wrote: > On Saturday 24 Jan 2015 18:18:36 Dale wrote: > > > Since I already replaced this drive, nothing lost. We did learn > > something tho. Just because it claims to have fixed itself doesn't mean > > it will be a long term solution. ;-) > > > > Dale > > > > :-) :-) > > Your repeated dd action probably relocated some bad blocks. > > I would also run a long test overnight to see where and how it fails. I > recently had a drive which went sideways on me. Running dd was successful > in > relocating some problematic sectors. However, repeating the smart tests > revealed that more and more sectors were going bad. I recall a warning > that a > catastrophic drive failure was imminent, when reading the output of > 'smartctl > -a'. > > Instead of dd'ing the whole drive, just dd the suspect sector and repeat > the > smart tests to see how things move around. I concur with other posters > that > this drive should only be used for experimentation, rather than production > or > back ups. > > -- > Regards, > Mick > -- All the best, Robert
Re: [gentoo-user] SMART drive test results, 2.0 for same drive as before.
Dale, As a double check I always like to test "failing" drives with Spinrite: https://www.grc.com/sr/spinrite.htm If that software can't recover/access any bits of the drive - it's pretty much a toaster in my book! Robert On 20 January 2015 at 17:58, Dale wrote: > Howdy, > > This is concerning a hard drive I had issues with a while back. I been > using it to do backups with as a test if nothing else. Anyway, it seems > to have issues once again. > > root@fireball / # smartctl -l selftest /dev/sdd > smartctl 6.3 2014-07-26 r3976 [x86_64-linux-3.16.3-gentoo] (local build) > Copyright (C) 2002-14, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, > www.smartmontools.org > > === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION === > SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1 > Num Test_DescriptionStatus Remaining > LifeTime(hours) LBA_of_first_error > # 1 Extended offlineCompleted: read failure 40% > 21406 4032272464 > # 2 Short offline Completed without error 00% > 21387 - > # 3 Short offline Completed without error 00% > 21363 - > # 4 Extended offlineCompleted: read failure 40% > 21343 4032272464 > # 5 Short offline Completed without error 00% > 21315 - > # 6 Short offline Completed without error 00% > 21291 - > # 7 Short offline Completed without error 00% > 21267 - > # 8 Short offline Completed without error 00% > 21243 - > # 9 Short offline Completed without error 00% > 21219 - > #10 Short offline Completed without error 00% > 21195 - > #11 Extended offlineCompleted: read failure 40% > 21174 4032272464 > #12 Short offline Completed without error 00% > 21147 - > #13 Short offline Completed without error 00% > 21123 - > #14 Short offline Completed without error 00% > 21099 - > #15 Short offline Completed without error 00% > 21075 - > #16 Short offline Completed without error 00% > 21051 - > #17 Short offline Completed without error 00% > 21026 - > #18 Extended offlineCompleted: read failure 40% > 21005 4032267424 > #19 Short offline Completed without error 00% > 20978 - > #20 Short offline Completed without error 00% > 20954 - > #21 Short offline Completed without error 00% > 20930 - > > root@fireball / # > > More info: > > ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE > UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE > 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000f 116 099 006Pre-fail > Always - 114620384 > 3 Spin_Up_Time0x0003 092 092 000Pre-fail > Always - 0 > 4 Start_Stop_Count0x0032 100 100 020Old_age > Always - 39 > 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 053 051 036Pre-fail > Always - 62752 > 7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000f 080 060 030Pre-fail > Always - 102219639 > 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 076 076 000Old_age > Always - 21403 > 10 Spin_Retry_Count0x0013 100 100 097Pre-fail > Always - 0 > 12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 020Old_age > Always - 40 > 183 Runtime_Bad_Block 0x0032 100 100 000Old_age > Always - 0 > 184 End-to-End_Error0x0032 100 100 099Old_age > Always - 0 > 187 Reported_Uncorrect 0x0032 100 100 000Old_age > Always - 0 > 188 Command_Timeout 0x0032 100 100 000Old_age > Always - 0 0 0 > 189 High_Fly_Writes 0x003a 100 100 000Old_age > Always - 0 > 190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0022 068 063 045Old_age > Always - 32 (Min/Max 23/36) > 191 G-Sense_Error_Rate 0x0032 100 100 000Old_age > Always - 0 > 192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032 100 100 000Old_age > Always - 11 > 193 Load_Cycle_Count0x0032 001 001 000Old_age > Always - 276725 > 194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0022 032 040 000Old_age > Always - 32 (0 17 0 0 0) > 197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0012 088 088 000Old_age > Always - 1984 > 198 Offline_Uncorrectable 0x0010 088 088 000Old_age > Offline - 1984 > 199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count0x003e 200 200 000Old_age > Always - 0 > 240 Head_Flying_Hours 0x 100 253 000Old_age > Offline - 18810h+14m+31.520s > 241 Total_LBAs_Written 0x 100 253 000Old_age > Offline - 110684232213092 > 242 Total_LBAs_Read 0x 100 253 000Old_age > Offline - 92603114597547 > >
[gentoo-user] totem-gstreamer: poor performance with all video
Hi, All sorts of videos work fine with mplayer, xine and vlc, but gnome seems hell bent on using totem for everything with only the gstreamer backend. As is, I get unwatchable performance using the totem-gstreamer combo, video is choppy and even short videos take a good number of seconds to load. In the past I have used totem-xine and it was perfect, all I needed really, but there is not the option to use the xine backend anymore :( - I have tried setting the video out options in gstreamer-properties to all sorts with no change in results. - I have tried both the open source ati driver and the proprietary fglrx one. - I even tried installing Ubuntu but get exactly the same results there. Nothing seems to change the situation, and am not sure where to go from here. Does anyone else have similar problems? I can't help but think gstreamer has it in for me... Any advice or sympathy would be appreciated. Cheers p.s. sorry for the dupe post if you got both, first time I've posted here.
[gentoo-user] totem-gstreamer: poor performance with all video
Hi, All sorts of videos work fine with mplayer, xine and vlc, but gnome seems hell bent on using totem for everything with only the gstreamer backend. As is, I get unwatchable performance using the totem-gstreamer combo, video is choppy and even short videos take a good number of seconds to load. In the past I have used totem-xine and it was perfect, all I needed really, but there is not the option to use the xine backend anymore :( - I have tried setting the video out options in gstreamer-properties to all sorts with no change in results. - I have tried both the open source ati driver and the proprietary fglrx one. - I even tried installing Ubuntu but get exactly the same results there. Nothing seems to change the situation, and am not sure where to go from here. Does anyone else have similar problems? I can't help but think gstreamer has it in for me... Any advice or sympathy would be appreciated. Cheers
[gentoo-user] xrandr: Intel G965 and HDTV woes
I've bought a shiny new htpc that I was hoping would just work with Linux. Sadly it doesn't. Before I post a long and rambling diatribe, does anyone know how to run xrandr remotely (since I just get a blank screen on the hdtv)? I tried over tunnelled ssh and just got the local (my laptop's) X server's settings, and then tried using the -display flag like so: # /etc/init.d/xdm start * Setting up gdm ... * Detaching to start `/usr/bin/gdm' ... # xrandr -display :0 Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server Xlib: No protocol specified Can't open display :0 I'm guessing this requires me to somehow open access to the X server. I set 'DisallowTCP=false' in /etc/X11/gdm/custom.conf in the [security] section and restarted gdm but that didn't seem to do anything. What else can I try to get xrandr to let me change the resolution for a xserver that can't be seen? Thanks. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Re: Ati or Nvida
-Original Message- From: Enrico Weigelt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 1:05 PM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Ati or Nvida >Hi, > > >I've made the big mistake of bying an notebook w/ geforce go 6100. > >The proprietary drivers *never* worked for me - the binary kernel >modules crashed the whole kernel (complete lockup) after a several >seconds (doesnt even need X to come up for that). > Somehow you later statements make me distrust your opening one... > I've analyzed their module a bit and seen really bad things. Really...You've "analyzed" a closed source module. Care to share the details of how you performed this "analysis" ? >Looks it's a hand-written bunch of assembler code with massive >code obfuscation, > U...perfectly good C/C++ code that's been even moderately Optimized by any reasonably sane compiler will look like that when it's disassembled...now how was it you did this "analysis" on a *closed source* module again...? >IMHO, if someone spends so much work into machine code obfuscation, >he *really* has something to hide. > It's closed source driver, neither you nor anybody else who hasn't seen the source code has any basis whatsoever to justify such an "opinion" without making themselves look like a total dimwit. > Not just some "intellectual > property" (which is outdated alfter a few months). Uhhh...if the intellectual property is so "outdated", why is it so difficult to duplicate? So far no one advocating open source, can manage to duplicate even the functionality of the 3D driver, much less the performance? > Of course, opensource 3D support is (almost) not existing, > (2D works very fine), and NVidia repeatedly states that they > will NOT do the slightest attempt to improve the situation. > Why should they, their providing for Linux, the same thing they provide for Windows, i.e. a binary driver that drives their GPU and performs quite well in the experience of a lot of users. From their point of view the situation doesn't need improving >So I strongly suggest, NOT to buy NV cards. > You've never written graphics drivers have you? >(BTW: a few month ago, I managed to stop a customer from buying >several hundreds of NV cards - yes, consulting jobs sometimes >make really fun this way ;-P) Maybe that was the correct decision, maybe not, depends on the circumstances. Regardless, your clients are not well served by your uninformed bias. -- Regards, Bob Young -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Multiple error messages for each keystroke in nano
>-Original Message- >From: Alex Schuster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 2:20 AM >To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org >Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Multiple error messages for each keystroke in >nano > >Bob Young writes: > >> Currently I'm emerging xorg, but after that finishes, I'll first try >> flipping the debug and spell use flags back and see what that does. >> > >It will work. I just emerged nano with debug use flag, and get the same >errors as you. > >Should someone file a bug about this? Or is this expected behaviour for the >debug use flag? > > Wonko Yes it did, I re-emerged nano with "-debug" and the problem went away. Now I have the same question, is this a bug or not? Regards, Bob Young -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Multiple error messages for each keystroke in nano
-Original Message- From: Ian Hilt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 11:03 PM To: Gentoo-user List Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Multiple error messages for each keystroke in nano >> On Fri, 16 May 2008 at 7:07pm -0700, Bob Young wrote: >> I'm installing a new Gentoo box, and have the basic system installed ( >> without X ). The problem began after I completed a successful "emerge >> -DuN world" The symptom is: when I start nano, (just nano by itself, >> not editing a file), several hundred lines similar to the following >> are spewed to the console: > [...] >> BTW, if I edit with vi.everything works fine, and of course typing at the >> console works okay as well. > What's the output of "emerge -vp nano"? [ebuild R ] app-editors/nano-2.1.1 USE="debug ncurses nls spell unicode -justify -minimal -slang" 0kb But your question made me wonder about the -DuN world, and in looking at the build log, it appears during the update world, nano was in deed updated from nano-2.0.2 to nano-2.1.1, and, the debug and spell USE flags were flipped. Currently I'm emerging xorg, but after that finishes, I'll first try flipping the debug and spell use flags back and see what that does. Regards, Bob Young -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Re: Multiple error messages for each keystroke in nano
-Original Message- From: Francesco Talamona [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 10:46 PM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: Multiple error messages for each keystroke in nano On Saturday 17 May 2008, Bob Young wrote: > Can anybody explain what's going on here, and tell me how I can fix > it? > > > > BTW, if I edit with vi.everything works fine, and of course typing at > the console works okay as well. Just a guess... Did you run etc-update? Ciao Francesco Yes I have run etc-update, there were 32 config files to be processed, and afterward, the problem remains the same Regards, Bob Young -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Multiple error messages for each keystroke in nano
on: Delete, menus 1 Shortcut "kdel", function: Delete, menus 1 Shortcut "^H", function: Backspace, menus 1 And then once I'm in nano and ready to edit, typing "test" results in the following: tget_key_buffer(): key_buffer_len = 1 pparse_kbinput(): kbinput = 101, meta_key = FALSE, func_key = FALSE, escapes = 0, byte_digits = 0, retval = 101 gget_shortcut(): kbinput = 101, meta_key = FALSE, func_key = FALSE mmatched nothing btw meta was 0 eget_key_buffer(): key_buffer_len = 1 parse_kbinput(): kbinput = 115, meta_key = FALSE, func_key = FALSE, escapes = 0, byte_digits = 0, retval = 115 get_shortcut(): kbinput = 115, meta_key = FALSE, func_key = FALSE matched nothing btw meta was 0 sget_key_buffer(): key_buffer_len = 1 parse_kbinput(): kbinput = 116, meta_key = FALSE, func_key = FALSE, escapes = 0, byte_digits = 0, retval = 116 get_shortcut(): kbinput = 116, meta_key = FALSE, func_key = FALSE matched nothing btw meta was 0 t Can anybody explain what's going on here, and tell me how I can fix it? BTW, if I edit with vi.everything works fine, and of course typing at the console works okay as well. Thanks for listening, Bob Young
RE: [gentoo-user] Wireshark won't run except as root (Solved but Why is this)
-Original Message- >From: Bob Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 10:03 AM >To: Gentoo-user List >Subject: [gentoo-user] Wireshark won't run except as root > I've emerged wireshark, and made myself a member of both the wireshark > group, and the tcpdump group, but still wireshark refuses to capture > packets if executed as a non root user. The error message is: "Couldn't > run dumpcap as a child process: Permission denied." > > A little research indicated that dumpcap should be installed suid root and > It appears that it is, but I still can't execute it as a non-root user: > > I'm sure it's probably something simple that I'm unaware of or not seeing > for some reason. Can anybody point out what I'm doing wrong. > > Thanks, > Bob Young > San Jose, CA. Well a little more experimentation proved that world has to have execute permission: [ 18:16:56 ] Thu May 01 /home/Cyor $ : su Password: [ 18:25:38 ] Thu May 01 /home/Cyor $ : cd /usr/bin/ [ 18:28:52 ] Thu May 01 /usr/bin $ : ls /usr/bin/dumpcap 52 -rwxr-x--- 1 root wireshark 50876 Apr 27 15:49 /usr/bin/dumpcap [ 18:28:58 ] Thu May 01 /usr/bin $ : chmod u+s ./dumpcap [ 18:29:26 ] Thu May 01 /usr/bin $ : ls /usr/bin/dumpcap 52 -rwsr-x--- 1 root wireshark 50876 Apr 27 15:49 /usr/bin/dumpcap [ 18:29:30 ] Thu May 01 /usr/bin $ : exit exit [ 18:29:44 ] Thu May 01 /home/Cyor $ : whoami Cyor [ 18:30:11 ] Thu May 01 /home/Cyor $ : cd /usr/bin/ [ 18:30:21 ] Thu May 01 /usr/bin $ : ./dumpcap bash: ./dumpcap: Permission denied [ 18:30:24 ] Thu May 01 /usr/bin $ : su Password: [ 18:31:18 ] Thu May 01 /usr/bin $ : whoami root [ 18:32:03 ] Thu May 01 /usr/bin $ : ls /usr/bin/dumpcap 52 -rwsr-x--- 1 root wireshark 50876 Apr 27 15:49 /usr/bin/dumpcap [ 18:32:14 ] Thu May 01 /usr/bin $ : chmod o+x ./dumpcap [ 18:32:29 ] Thu May 01 /usr/bin $ : ls /usr/bin/dumpcap 52 -rwsr-x--x 1 root wireshark 50876 Apr 27 15:49 /usr/bin/dumpcap [ 18:32:34 ] Thu May 01 /usr/bin $ : exit exit [ 18:32:41 ] Thu May 01 /usr/bin $ : whoami Cyor [ 18:32:49 ] Thu May 01 /usr/bin $ : ./dumpcap File: /tmp/ether1wMVki ^CPackets dropped: 0 My question is: If the wireshark GROUP has execute permission to dumpcap, and user Cyor is a member of the wireshark group, why can't Cyor execute dumpcap without the execute bit for everyone being set? Doesn't this mean that the entire world world (member of wireshark group or not) can execute an an SUID root program? If that's the case what's the purpose of having the wireshark group? Note: Cyor is a member of wireshark group: [ 18:32:55 ] Thu May 01 /usr/bin $ : cat /etc/group root::0:root . . .[snip] wheel::10:root,BYoung,Cyor wireshark:x:446:BYoung,Cyor ntp:x:123: tcpdump:x:447:Byoung,Cyor +:: Thanks, Bob Young San Jose, CA -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Wireshark won't run except as root
I've emerged wireshark, and made myself a member of both the wireshark group, and the tcpdump group, but still wireshark refuses to capture packets if executed as a non root user. The error message is: "Couldn't run dumpcap as a child process: Permission denied." A little research indicated that dumpcap should be installed suid root and It appears that it is, but I still can't execute it as a non-root user: [ 23:16:38 ] Wed Apr 30 /usr/bin $ : ./dumpcap bash: ./dumpcap: Permission denied [ 09:29:50 ] Thu May 01 /usr/bin $ : ls /usr/bin/dump* 52 -r-sr-s--- 1 root wireshark 50876 Apr 27 15:49 /usr/bin/dumpcap [ 09:29:52 ] Wed Apr 30 /usr/bin $ : su Password: [ 09:29:55 ] Thu May 01 /usr/bin $ : ./dumpcap File: /tmp/etherJ8STmt Packets: 7 Packets dropped: 0 [ 09:32:15 ] Thu May 01 /usr/bin $ : chown root:root ./dumpcap [ 09:32:19 ] Thu May 01 /usr/bin $ : chmod g+s ./dumpcap [ 09:32:29 ] Thu May 01 /usr/bin $ : chmod u+s ./dumpcap [ 09:32:38 ] Thu May 01 /usr/bin $ : ls /usr/bin/dump* 52 -r-sr-s--- 1 root root 50876 Apr 27 15:49 /usr/bin/dumpcap [ 09:32:47 ] Thu May 01 /usr/bin $ : exit exit [ 09:33:01 ] Thu May 01 /usr/bin $ : whoami Cyor [ 09:33:06 ] Thu May 01 /usr/bin $ : ./dumpcap bash: ./dumpcap: Permission denied [ 09:33:10 ] Thu May 01 /usr/bin $ : I'm sure it's probably something simple that I'm unaware of or not seeing for some reason. Can anybody point out what I'm doing wrong. Thanks, Bob Young San Jose, CA. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] How Bad Is This...?
-Original Message- From: Volker Armin Hemmann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 8:22 AM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Cc: Bob Young Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] How Bad Is This...? >On Mittwoch, 16. April 2008, Bob Young wrote: >> I'm in the process of installing a new box, last night before going to >> bed I started installing xorg server. This morning, I found the 82nd >> build(out of 162) had failed with the following error: >> [snip] >the best alternative is to check what went wrong, but since Seagates are >known to die in the first couple of days - or almost never, this gentleman >here would bet on a defective harddisk. > >Btw, you might want to read up on 'bathtub curve'. Stuff breaks early, or >late. Just wanted to let you know, it appears you were right, it was the HD itself that was bad. I substituted in the other brand new Seagate, and reinstalled. Luckily I was able to read all config files from the semi-bad drive. At this point I'm finished installing xorg-server, and have begun installing KDE. P.S. Next time I'll post the output of dmesg... Thanks for responding Bob Young San Jose, CA. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] How Bad Is This...?
NormalUser Domain Admins 144 Apr 12 11:21 home 4 drwxr-xr-x 8 NormalUser Domain Admins 4048 Apr 12 14:31 lib 0 drwxr-xr-x 4 NormalUser Domain Admins80 Apr 12 05:19 log 0 drwxr-xr-x 6 NormalUser Domain Admins 168 Apr 11 21:44 mnt 0 drwxr-xr-x 2 NormalUser Domain Admins72 Apr 19 2007 opt ? ?? ? ? ? ?? portage-20080407.tar.bz2 4 -rw-r--r-- 1 NormalUser Domain Admins59 Apr 9 07:42 portage-20080407.tar.bz2.md5sum 0 dr-xr-xr-x 67 NormalUser Domain Admins 0 Apr 15 14:21 proc 0 drwx-- 3 NormalUser Domain Admins 216 Apr 12 14:12 root 4 drwxr-xr-x 2 NormalUser Domain Admins 3856 Apr 12 15:18 sbin 105491 -rw-r--r-- 1 NormalUser Domain Admins 107915722 Apr 8 22:35 stage3-i686-2007.0.tar.bz2 ? ?? ? ? ? ?? stage3-i686-2007.0.tar.bz2.DIGESTS 0 drwxr-xr-x 12 NormalUser Domain Admins 0 Apr 15 14:21 sys 0 drwxrwxrwt 4 NormalUser Domain Admins 112 Apr 16 00:32 tmp 0 drwxr-xr-x 13 NormalUser Domain Admins 368 Apr 10 09:52 usr 0 drwxr-xr-x 15 NormalUser Domain Admins 408 Apr 16 00:14 var [ 06:45:14 ] Wed Apr 16 / $ reboot bash: /sbin/reboot: Input/output error [ 06:45:32 ] Wed Apr 16 / $ cd sbin/ [ 06:46:04 ] Wed Apr 16 /sbin $ ls ls: cannot access grub: Permission denied ls: cannot access grub-md5-crypt: Permission denied ls: cannot access grub-terminfo: Permission denied ls: cannot access reiserfstune: Permission denied ls: cannot access grub-install: Permission denied ls: cannot access debugreiserfs: Permission denied ls: cannot access grub-set-default: Permission denied ls: cannot access resize_reiserfs: Permission denied total 5314 4 drwxr-xr-x 2 NormalUser Domain Admins 3856 Apr 12 15:18 . 1 drwxr-xr-x 21 NormalUser Domain Admins736 Apr 12 12:02 .. 52 -rwxr-xr-x 1 NormalUser Domain Admins 51168 Apr 19 2007 MAKEDEV 16 -rwxr-xr-x 1 NormalUser Domain Admins 14748 Apr 19 2007 agetty 4 -rwxr-xr-x 1 NormalUser Domain Admins 3928 Apr 19 2007 ctrlaltdel . . . 68 -rwxr-xr-x 1 NormalUser Domain Admins 66096 Apr 19 2007 debugfs ? ?? ? ? ? ?? debugreiserfs 36 -rwxr-xr-x 1 NormalUser Domain Admins 35232 Apr 19 2007 depmod . . . 12 -rwxr-xr-x 1 NormalUser Domain Admins 9493 Apr 19 2007 generate-modprobe.conf 36 -rwxr-xr-x 1 NormalUser Domain Admins 36364 Apr 19 2007 genksyms ? ?? ? ? ? ?? grub ? ?? ? ? ? ?? grub-install ? ?? ? ? ? ?? grub-md5-crypt ? ?? ? ? ? ?? grub-set-default ? ?? ? ? ? ?? grub-terminfo 12 -rwxr-xr-x 1 NormalUser Domain Admins 10376 Apr 19 2007 halt 56 -rwxr-xr-x 1 NormalUser Domain Admins 56212 Apr 19 2007 hdparm 8 -rwxr-xr-x 1 NormalUser Domain Admins 5546 Apr 19 2007 rc-update 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 NormalUser Domain Admins 4 Apr 9 07:45 reboot -> halt 288 -rwxr-xr-x 1 NormalUser Domain Admins 293800 Apr 11 22:25 reiserfsck ? ?? ? ? ? ?? reiserfstune 28 -rwxr-xr-x 1 NormalUser Domain Admins 28484 Apr 19 2007 resize2fs ? ?? ? ? ? ?? resize_reiserfs 12 -rwxr-xr-x 1 NormalUser Domain Admins 9556 Apr 19 2007 rmmod 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 NormalUser Domain Admins 10 Apr 9 07:45 rmmod.old -> insmod.old 20 -rwxr-xr-x 1 NormalUser Domain Admins 18580 Apr 19 2007 udevtrigger 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 NormalUser Domain Admins 14 Apr 9 07:45 update-modules -> modules-update [ 06:46:07 ] Wed Apr 16 /sbin $ ./halt -r now bash: ./halt: Input/output error [ 06:48:33 ] Wed Apr 16 /sbin $ ./reboot bash: ./reboot: Input/output error BTW, the user:group "NormalUser : Domain Admins" in normal and correct that is 0:0, it comes from the W2K3 domain controller that is the NIS server, and NIS is listed first in nsswitch.conf. Also worthy of note is the reason for installing this new box, the previous install developed severe hard disk corruption. Because of that, this install is located on a brand new 250G Seagate with a five year warranty, so while not impossible, I tend to doubt that the hard disk it self is the true root cause. Okay, so my question is how bad is it? Is there anyway to shutdown cleanly? I do have a second brand new 250G Seagate, is another clean install, with a *second* brand new drive the best alternative, or is some even lower level hardware (i.e. disk controller) the more likely culprit at this point? Thanks for listening Bob Young San Jose, CA. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] revdep-rebuild command doesn't fix broken libs it finds
> -Original Message- > From: Dale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 12:18 AM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] revdep-rebuild command doesn't fix broken libs > it finds > Bob Young wrote: >> How do I determine if this is a case of "orphaned file, deep dependency, >> binary package or specially evaluated library" and, if it is one of >those, >> how do I determine which one, and then how do I fix this...? >> >> Thanks for listening, >> Bob Young >> San Jose, CA >> This may help: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125728 I'm not sure what changed but mine does not do this any more. I'm using app-portage/gentoolkit-0.2.3-r1 at the moment. Dale :-) :-) Thanks Dale, After a little thought and some investigation I'd already come up with the symlink solution on my own. However I do find it a little disturbing that this is exactly the same, as a bug that has a creation date of: 2006-03-10, nearly two years ago. I also know that I didn't have this problem until a recent new "stable" version of gcc was merged. That means somebody is re-introducing bugs that have already been fixed. Making such easily avoidable mistakes does not bode well... Thanks Again, Bob Young San Jose, CA. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] revdep-rebuild command doesn't fix broken libs it finds
After a recent emerge -DuN world, messages for one of the packages stated that it was necessary to run revdep-rebuild after emerging the package, so I did. The revdep-rebuild ended up merging six packages, with one of them being gcc. Emerging all six packages took several hours, and I noticed that gcc by itself took a significant amount of time. The final message stated that I could re-run revdep-rebuild to verify that all inconsistencies had been resolved, unfortunately, I did not add a -p to the command and to my surprise it spent the next couple of hours or so emerging gcc again. After that finished, I again ran revdep-rebuild although this time with a -p and below is the output: __ Configuring search environment for revdep-rebuild Checking reverse dependencies... Packages containing binaries and libraries broken by a package update will be emerged. Collecting system binaries and libraries... done. (/root/.revdep-rebuild.1_files) Collecting complete LD_LIBRARY_PATH... done. (/root/.revdep-rebuild.2_ldpath) Checking dynamic linking consistency... broken /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.2/libgcjawt.la (requires /usr/lib/lib-gnu-java-awt-peer-gtk.la) broken /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.2/libgij.la (requires /usr/lib/libgcj.la) done. (/root/.revdep-rebuild.3_rebuild) Assigning files to ebuilds... done. (/root/.revdep-rebuild.4_ebuilds) Evaluating package order... done. (/root/.revdep-rebuild.5_order) All prepared. Starting rebuild... emerge --oneshot -p =sys-devel/gcc-4.1.2 These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild R ] sys-devel/gcc-4.1.2 Now you can remove -p (or --pretend) from arguments and re-run revdep-rebuild. __ It wants to build gcc again. I don't want to have to build gcc every time I need to use revdep-rebuild. The final message from revdep-rebuild is: Build finished correctly. Removing temporary files... You can re-run revdep-rebuild to verify that all libraries and binaries are fixed. If some inconsistency remains, it can be orphaned file, deep dependency, binary package or specially evaluated library. How do I determine if this is a case of "orphaned file, deep dependency, binary package or specially evaluated library" and, if it is one of those, how do I determine which one, and then how do I fix this...? Thanks for listening, Bob Young San Jose, CA -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] mDNSResponder fails to compile
I'm back to building a Gentoo box after my previous Gentoo box died a hardware death about six months ago. It's mostly installed and functioning but I wanted to bring up KDE, I was surprised to find that the kde-meta emerge, failed 43 packages into the 300 or so that is kde-meta. It dies on building mDNSResponder, below is the error, if anybody is interested. It seems to be the same bug reported in Nov 2007: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=196349 I don't see any resolution posted for this bug, so it appears that mDNSResponder is currently broken, and it doesen't appear that anybody IS terribly interested. I'm not sure what USE flag I have included that brings in mDNSResponder, after reading the package summary, I thought it might be "zeroconf," but after adding "-zeroconf" to /etc/make.conf, "emerge -pn kde-meta" or "emerge -pn kde" still shows that mDNSResponder is going to be merged. I've tried adding "net-misc/mDNSResponder ~x86" to package keywords in hopes of getting a later version, but it appears there isn't a later version. So here I am, asking for any kind of solution anybody can provide, since it doesn't look like mDNSResponder is going to be fixed anytime soon I guess the preferred method is to remove whatever USE flag(s) are bringing it in if that's possible, but I don't know how to determine that information and would be grateful for some assistance. Thanks, Bob Young San Jose CA. Responder daemon done i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -I. -I../mDNSCore -I../mDNSShared -W -Wall -DPID_FILE=\"/var/run/mdnsd.pid\" -DMDNS_UDS_SERVERPATH=\"/var/run/mdnsd\" -DNOT_HAVE_SA_LEN -DUSES_NETLINK -DHAVE_LINUX -g -DMDNS_DEBUGMSGS=2 -O2 -march=i6$ i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -I. -I../mDNSCore -I../mDNSShared -W -Wall -DPID_FILE=\"/var/run/mdnsd.pid\" -DMDNS_UDS_SERVERPATH=\"/var/run/mdnsd\" -DNOT_HAVE_SA_LEN -DUSES_NETLINK -DHAVE_LINUX -g -DMDNS_DEBUGMSGS=2 -O2 -march=i6$ i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -I. -I../mDNSCore -I../mDNSShared -W -Wall -DPID_FILE=\"/var/run/mdnsd.pid\" -DMDNS_UDS_SERVERPATH=\"/var/run/mdnsd\" -DNOT_HAVE_SA_LEN -DUSES_NETLINK -DHAVE_LINUX -g -DMDNS_DEBUGMSGS=2 -O2 -march=i6$ build/debug/libdns_sd.so Client library done make[1]: Entering directory `/var/tmp/portage/net-misc/mDNSResponder-107.6-r5/work/mDNSResponder-107.6/C lients' mkdir build cc dns-sd.c -L../mDNSPosix/build/prod/ -ldns_sd -I../mDNSShared -o build/dns-sd /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.1/../../../../i686-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: cannot find -ldns_sd collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make[1]: *** [build/dns-sd] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/net-misc/mDNSResponder-107.6-r5/work/mDNSResponder-107.6/C lients' make: *** [../Clients/build/dns-sd] Error 2 * * ERROR: net-misc/mDNSResponder-107.6-r5 failed. * Call stack: * ebuild.sh, line 1701: Called dyn_compile * ebuild.sh, line 1039: Called qa_call 'src_compile' * ebuild.sh, line 44: Called src_compile * mDNSResponder-107.6-r5.ebuild, line 51: Called die * The specific snippet of code: * mdnsmake || die "make failed" * The die message: * make failed * * If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call stack if relevant. * A complete build log is located at '/var/tmp/portage/net-misc/mDNSResponder-107.6-r5/temp/build.log'. * !!! When you file a bug report, please include the following information: GENTOO_VM=sun-jdk-1.6 CLASSPATH="" JAVA_HOME="/opt/sun-jdk-1.6.0.03" JAVACFLAGS="-source 1.4 -target 1.4" COMPILER="" and of course, the output of emerge --info
RE: [gentoo-user] dhcpcd is too noisy in syslog
-Original Message- From: William Kenworthy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 5:42 AM To: gentoo-user List Subject: [gentoo-user] dhcpcd is too noisy in syslog Since a recent update to dhpcd, my logs are filling up with these messages (every 30 seconds). The previous version wasnt so verbose, but I cant see where to modify the behaviour of the newer version - there seems like there is no quiet flag. Any suggestions? Apr 22 20:34:22 moriah dhcpcd[19738]: eth0: renewing lease of 203.59.216.218 Apr 22 20:34:22 moriah dhcpcd[19738]: eth0: leased xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx for 60 seconds Apr 22 20:34:22 moriah dhcpcd[19738]: eth0: adding IP address xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/24 Apr 22 20:34:22 moriah dhcpcd[19738]: eth0: adding default route via xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx metric 0 Maybe there is something I'm missing but the first line says that dhcpcd is *renewing* the lease on eth0. If that's in fact what is happening every 30-60 seconds, then there is something wrong with what dhcpcd received/interpreted the lease duration to be. The second line seems to confirm this in that dhcpcd believes it leased the received address for 60 seconds. It looks like either the dhcp server's lease duration is badly misconfigured, or dhcpcd is not interpreting the data it receives from the dhcp server correctly wrt lease duration. Regards, Bob Young -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] .bashrc/.bash_profile not "sourced" upon login fo NIS authenticated users
Probably a PEBSAC If so, that's ok I'm willing to learn. Like the title says, if I log in as root /root/.bashrc and /root/.bash_profile are sourced. However if I login as BYoung and am authenticated by the NIS server (SFU on aWindows Domain Controller), then /home/BYoung/.bash_profile and /home/BYoung/.bashrc are not sourced. As workaround, I've added: "source ~/.bash_profile" as the last line of /etc/profile, and that works, but of course .bash_profile and .bashrc get executed twice when I log in as root. I'd like to fix this the right way, pointers and/or advice greatly appreciated, and if I'm just doing something stupid, let me know. TIA Bob Young San Jose, CA -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] A DNS question.
I appreciate all the replies, and yes Michael you're correct the original question was in regards to a system having different "base" (host) names for different NICs. IOW the Windows Domain Controller that eth0 is connected to records eth0 in it's DNS table as gentoo.windowsdoman.local. In addition in /etc/make.conf the the following is declared: eth0_dns_domainname="windowsdomain.local" and eth0_nis_domainname="windowsdomain" no nis or dns domainname is declared for eth1 or eth2 as that causes problems. I'll probably also configure BIND to act as a secondary DNS for the domain controller listing on eth0 and eth1. Now with regards to eth1, it is my intent to configure eth1 as with the machines only public IP address (69.12.134.79), and configure BIND to listen on eth1 as a secondary domain name server, the primary domain name server would have an "A Record" for 69.12.134.79 and it would be named ns.somedomainname.com. IOW it would have a different "base" name (ns) than eth0 (gentoo). My question is whether or not this is valid/"legal"/okay, i.e. is it likely to cause any problems? I did see Ruben's comment about named "views" and it looks like that may be something to investigate. Any further comments/suggestions welcome. Thanks, Bob Young San Jose, CA -Original Message- From: Michal 'vorner' Vaner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 2:17 PM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] A DNS question. On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 03:21:52PM -0600, Dan Farrell wrote: > On Sat, 3 Mar 2007 22:04:59 +0100 > "Michal 'vorner' Vaner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 11:17:52AM -0800, Bob Young wrote: > > > Obviously on a given system each NIC is usually connected to a > > > different domain, my question is, whether or not it > > > is /legal/possible/okay to use different *hostnames* on different > > > NICs? > > > > AFAIK, you can have multiple names for one IP and multiple IPs for one > > name (there are more ways to do that). So, I see no reason why anyone > > would ever forgive you to have different name for each of IP addresses > > your computer has. The other question is if you really want to do > > that, because there might be applications not expecting your computer > > is "schizophrenic" in such way and go nutty. > > > > With regards > > > on the contrary, there are good reasons to have more than one name for > a single computer. For example, say I have a server 'zeus.mydomain' > that also does mail. If I name the mailserver 'mail.mydomain' then I > can CNAME that to zeus.mydomain via DNS, or I can just set > mail.mydomain to the ip address of the second interface. Result - I > can redirect my mail to mail.mydomain and it can go to whatever > computer I desire, whether or not it has different names. 'zeus' is > still listening under that name for other requests. If i use 'zeus' > for heavy filesharing, I can still get good access over a non-saturated > ethernet device on 'mail'. Well, this is something else - the computer knows itself as zeus and has "nicknames". However, if I got what the question was about - to be name1 for one card and name2 for the second - and do not appear as name2 on the first at all. IMO machine should have the same "base" name to any domain it shows in - the one that it shows in bash command prompt. Then you can have additional names for the services and they can differ. But the name showed on the bash should probable be reachable (if possible) from any network it appears on. The situation shown here is probably odd (the names here are the only ones there, no additional ones or base ones). [ X ] C1 C2 [ X ] C1 C2 [ X ]. The [ X ] is a machine, is a network and those C? are names of the machine on the net. Now, ping C1 on the middle machine. Should it ping itself on the right interface or look for the left computer? You should at last have something like: [ Name1 ] C1 C2 [ Name2 ] C1 C2 [ Name3 ] (even if Name2 could not be resolved by the DNS on the right network for example). And you can "nickname" Name2 as mail or ntp if it suits you. I hope I made myself clear and I apologize for the previous misunderstanding. Have a nice day -- Anyone who goes to a psychiatrist ought to have his head examined. -- Samuel Goldwyn Michal 'vorner' Vaner -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] A DNS question.
This isn't strictly a Gentoo question, but I'm setting up Gentoo box to be used as a secondary DNS server, plus some other duties, and I'm hoping there is a DNS wizard reading who can authoritatively answer my question. First off the machine has three network cards, one with a (DHCP) private IP (10.10.32.1) for talking to the local (Windows Domain) LAN. A second NIC with a (Manually configured) IP address (69.12.134.79) that is publicly registered (ns.debug1.com) as a secondary DNS for several domains. And the third NIC has a (Manually configured) private IP address (192.168.0.1) that will be used to "sniff" all traffic that crosses the DSL modem. Obviously on a given system each NIC is usually connected to a different domain, my question is, whether or not it is /legal/possible/okay to use different *hostnames* on different NICs? For example, in the scenario described above, assume the windows domain is named "mydomain.lan," can I have 69.12.134.79 (NIC #2) resolve to ns.debug1.com as that is it's publicly registered name, while IP address 10.10.32.1 (NIC #1) resolves to gentoo.mydomain.lan? TIA Bob Young San Jose, CA. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] doc USE flag causes "circular dependencies" error
I'm bringing up a new Gentoo box, and last night I successfully merged
xorg-x11, this morning when I tried to merge KDE, I got a circular
dependencies error. As a first troubleshooting step I trimmed my USE flags
down to a minimum and found the error went away. After several rounds of
adding/removing lines/individual USE flags I found that the "doc" flag was
the source of the error:
USE="kde X qt4 doc" emerge -pv kde-meta
These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
Calculating dependencies . . .. done!
!!! Error: circular dependencies:
('ebuild', '/', 'kde-base/libkpimexchange-3.5.5', 'merge') depends on
('ebuild', '/', 'x11-libs/qt-3.3.6-r4', 'merge') (hard)
('ebuild', '/', 'kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.5-r8', 'merge') (hard)
('ebuild', '/', 'kde-base/libkcal-3.5.5', 'merge') (hard)
('ebuild', '/', 'kde-base/klettres-3.5.5', 'merge') depends on
('ebuild', '/', 'x11-libs/qt-3.3.6-r4', 'merge') (hard)
('ebuild', '/', 'kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.5-r8', 'merge') (hard)
('ebuild', '/', 'kde-base/libkonq-3.5.5', 'merge') depends on
('ebuild', '/', 'x11-libs/qt-3.3.6-r4', 'merge') (hard)
('ebuild', '/', 'kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.5-r8', 'merge') (hard)
.
.
.
('ebuild', '/', 'kde-base/kblackbox-3.5.5', 'merge') depends on
('ebuild', '/', 'x11-libs/qt-3.3.6-r4', 'merge') (hard)
('ebuild', '/', 'kde-base/libkdegames-3.5.5', 'merge') (hard)
('ebuild', '/', 'kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.5-r8', 'merge') (hard)
USE="kde X qt4" emerge -pv kde-meta
These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
Calculating dependencies . . . done!
[ebuild N] virtual/xft-7.0 0 kB
[ebuild N] app-text/libpaper-1.1.20 322 kB
[ebuild N] app-crypt/opencdk-0.5.5 USE="-doc" 323 kB
[ebuild N] dev-lang/nasm-0.98.39-r3 USE="-build -doc" 532 kB
[ebuild N] dev-libs/libtasn1-0.3.5 USE="-doc" 1,223 kB
[ebuild N] app-text/poppler-0.5.4-r1 USE="zlib -cjk -jpeg" 1,038 kB
[ebuild N] x11-apps/xprop-1.0.1 USE="-debug" 91 kB
[ebuild N] media-fonts/gnu-gs-fonts-std-8.11 3,665 kB
.
.
.
[ebuild N] kde-base/karm-3.5.5 USE="-arts -debug -kdeenablefinal
-xinerama" 0 kB
[ebuild N] kde-base/kdeaddons-meta-3.5.5 USE="-arts" 0 kB
[ebuild N] kde-base/kontact-specialdates-3.5.5 USE="-arts -debug
-kdeenablefinal -xinerama" 0 kB
[ebuild N] kde-base/kdepim-meta-3.5.5 USE="-pda" 0 kB
[ebuild N] kde-base/kde-meta-3.5.5 USE="nls -accessibility" 0 kB
Total: 288 packages (288 new), Size of downloads: 473,412 kB
**
Am I doing something wrong?
Is this a known issue?
Is there an alternative other than disabling the doc USE flag?
TIA
Bob Young
San Jose, CA
--
gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Why you use Gentoo
-Original Message- From: Colleen Beamer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 4:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Why you use Gentoo Chris White wrote: > So, wondering why people use Gentoo. Put [dev] or something if you're an > actual gentoo dev and [user] if you're a user. Doesn't need to be fancy, you > can put "community" or something if that's all you want. All responses off > list please. Thanks. [user] I'm not, but I *could* be a grandmother, so I guess I'm not the average user. I was first exposed to Gentoo when someone I know was touting the control that it gave you. I *hate* Gnome (sorry, don't mean to insult any Gnome users - it's just a personal opinion). The bloat of having to have two desktops on my system drove me nuts when I was using Redhat and then, Fedora. So, like others, control is a *big* plus - I can install only what I want! Nothing I can really disagree with. I *am* a grandfather, and have been a hardware/firmware engineer for 15 years. I've tried RedHat, SuSe, never could get past old Debian annoying text scripts that just got in the way of what was really important, long live Linux. Gentoo gets down to the technical details of actually installing a new OS as anything in the Linux World...period. Cheers. -- BYoung_AT_Debug1.Com Dual 2.0GHz AMD Opteron...cheers (dual boot 32bit Windows, 64bit Gentoo) ** Quote: *** Portage - in my opinion, it is the best package manager in Linux, bar none. Documentation - Bar none, Gentoo has the best and most easily understood online documentation This list - I've always been able to turn to the list when I needed help, (Thanks guys!) Sorry, I know this is long, but there are just too many reasons why I use Gentoo and why I will stick with it! :-) Take care, Colleen -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Adaptec 29160 Setup
Hi Sean, On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 22:22:51 -0400 sean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thought you might be interested on how things went. Sorry for the > delay, I am recovering from an injury I suffered a little over a week ago. > > Anyway, due to not being able to troubleshoot the SCSI cd-rom problem > for a while, and some other things I had half done, I decided to > reinstall Gentoo from scratch. It was a new build so not like I had > anything to loose. > > Once the build was completed, and made sure I included your options you > suggested for troubleshooting with the initial build of the kernel I booted. > > Still could not access the scsi cd-rom. At least it was being assigned > again, but unable to access. One thing I noticed in dmesg is that my > sata dvd unit was showing up with the same identification, which they > both are plextor brands, but that is where it ends, one is a scsi cdrw > and the other a sata dvd burner. > > sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 40x/40x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray > sr 0:0:1:0: Attached scsi CD-ROM sr0 > sr1: scsi3-mmc drive: 40x/40x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray > Ah, but the problem is that it only thinks there is one type of drive. One of the above drives should show as a DVD capable drive. Not just as a CD-ROM/ writer. > Tried mounting the dvd unit, worked fine. Tried the cdrw, no luck, > stated no medium present. > So what it seems to be doing is the first drive it finds - SATA shows up first, becomes the only drive it cares about. But, again, why? > With the above info, decided to disconnect the sata dvd. After system > restarted, the scsi cdrw fired up perfectly. > Makes sense. > Brought system down, reconnected the sata dvd unit and after power up, > both units are now working. In fact the dmesg statements are from the > working config, though it was the same when it was not working. > I wonder if the SCSI cable was not quite seated or had oxidized pins? > At this time all I have done is tried mounting the units and was able to > view the contents, have not tried burning anything at this time. Still > putting system together. > > Anyway I do not have a cause for the problem. Some how my sata unit and > scsi unit were conflicting with each other it would appear. > My scsi kernel settings have the suggestions you made, and all else that > is there by default. > I am reluctant to mess with the scsi kernel settings after things are > finally working. > I hope they continue to work. > Previously when I played with the settings one of my to units > disappeared and I was unable to get it back. > > Thanks for your help, > Sean > Take care, Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] ATI XPress 200m - direct rendering don't work
On Sun, 25 Jun 2006 11:26:48 + Rudson Ribeiro Alves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The X start with DRI, but gl programs and X halt the system in the exit. > > This is the and of this tunnel? > Not anything I can recommend from here. If GL is causing a halt and the bad memory location is present, perhaps a bad memory module. Or a bad controller on the cpu. I did have that happen to me once. But it only occured when compiling nvidia drivers. Replaced the cpu and everything was fine. As to the ATI drivers, they continue to cause numerous people grief. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] ATI XPress 200m - direct rendering don't work
On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 03:17:36 + Rudson Ribeiro Alves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi list, > > I was wanting install ati-drivers with DRI suport on my notebook zv6000 > (AMD 64bit Linux Gentoo system), but the module fglrx don't load > > ~ # modprobe fglrx > FATAL: Error inserting fglrx > (/lib/modules/2.6.16-gentoo-r9-ati-3/video/fglrx.ko): Unknown symbol in > module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) > > ~ # dmesg > ... > fglrx: Unknown symbol inter_module_unregister > fglrx: Unknown symbol inter_module_get_request > fglrx: Unknown symbol pm_register > fglrx: Unknown symbol inter_module_put > fglrx: Unknown symbol pm_unregister_all > fglrx: Unknown symbol inter_module_register > fglrx: Unknown symbol inter_module_unregister > fglrx: Unknown symbol inter_module_get_request > fglrx: Unknown symbol pm_register > fglrx: Unknown symbol inter_module_put > fglrx: Unknown symbol pm_unregister_all > fglrx: Unknown symbol inter_module_register You need to set the depreciated option in the kernel. Power Management --> Legacy Power Management Bob > The /var/log/Xorg.0.log show: > ... > (II) Loading extension ATIFGLRXDRI > (II) fglrx(0): doing DRIScreenInit > drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0 > drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (Unknown error 999) > drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (Unknown error 999) > drmOpenDevice: Open failed > drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0 > drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (Unknown error 999) > drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (Unknown error 999) > drmOpenDevice: Open failed > [drm] failed to load kernel module "fglrx" > (II) fglrx(0): [drm] drmOpen failed > (EE) fglrx(0): DRIScreenInit failed! > (WW) fglrx(0): *** > (WW) fglrx(0): * DRI initialization failed! * > (WW) fglrx(0): * (maybe driver kernel module missing or bad) * > (WW) fglrx(0): * 2D acceleraton available (MMIO) * > (WW) fglrx(0): * no 3D acceleration available* > (WW) fglrx(0): * * > ... > > My kernel is 2.6.16-gentoo-r9 with AGP suport seting: > ... > CONFIG_AGP=y > CONFIG_AGP_AMD64=y > # CONFIG_AGP_INTEL is not set > # CONFIG_DRM is not set > ... > > Ati-drivers is 8.18.8-r2. The emerge of ati-drivers show several warning > messages of undefined symbols. > > Thanks, Alves > > > ___ > Novidade no Yahoo! Mail: receba alertas de novas mensagens no seu celular. > Registre seu aparelho agora! > http://br.mobile.yahoo.com/mailalertas/ > > > -- > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list > > -- - Are you living in the real world? - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] What to do when you can't loggin
On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:41:56 +0100 Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Those of you that only use x86 based system don't know how lucky you are > to have two decent bootloaders. If you took the worst aspect of LILO and > GRUB and added some extra user-hostility for luck, you'd still have > something a hundred times better than yaboot, the PPC bootloader :( > Actually you'd have ELILO, well after adding in MS-DOS and making EFI the default partitioning. /boot becomes a DOS filesystem. But not limited to 8.3 character set. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Adaptec 29160 Setup
On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:07:42 -0400 sean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am able to see the scsi cdrw and the jaz drive. > Tried mounting the jaz drive but as expected it failed, the format of > the unit cartridge is UFS. But it at least saw it, assigned it, and > tried to mount when I manually tried. > Under - File Systems --> Miscellaneous filesystems --> enable UFS > However the scsi cdrw is still not working. > Again, as you can see it dmesg shows the device. However it is not > assigning it a dev. Could be a udev issue? But, just for grins, under Device Drivers --> Block devices, enable Packet writing on CD/DVD media. The defaults should be ok for that selection. Also, I note I neglected to have you select Device Drivers --> SCSI device --> SCSI generic support, but it seems to be in the kernel. And under File Systems --> CD-ROM/DVD filesystems --> ISO 9660 CDROM system support is selected? Probably have to be if sr0: works, of course add UDF file system if it's no selected. By chance have you done an etc-update/dispatch-conf since the last udev update that occured this week? Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Adaptec 29160 Setup
On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 14:13:44 -0400 sean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am trying to get my recently built system to recognize my Adaptec > 29160 configured on the system. > I have SCSI built into the kernel, here is the dmesg statement, > SCSI subsystem initialized, Do you have SCSI Transport Attributes ---> Parallel SCSI (SPI) Transport Attributes turned on as either a module or loaded? > I can see my sata drive, which from what I read, scsi needs to be > working for sata access, SATA doesn't need specific attributes unless it's really a SAS interface. > but there is nothing in dmesg about my scsi > card coming to life, and so I cannot see my cd burner and iomega jaz > drive that hang off it. > Should only need, under SCSI devices support --> SCSI disk, SCSI CDROM, the previously mentioned parallel Transport, under low-level drivers --> Adaptec AIC7xxx (aka New driver), SATA support, and the SATA chipset driver. The rest is pretty much wasted space. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] supported mp3 players (hardware)
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 19:48:37 -0400 "Samuel Baldwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anyone know if iRiver's support ogg? I use that exclusively and transcoding > everything to mp3 would not be pleasant. > My iFP-999 supports ogg. I use it on Linux - Gentoo with ifp-manager (which is not in Portage) and it works fine. Plug it into the aux jacks in my truck to listen to something other than the radio. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] gcc-4.1.1
> -Original Message- > From: Thomas T. Veldhouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 10:25 AM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] gcc-4.1.1 > You didn't pay attention to what he wrote. I hope perhaps my post made > it more clear. > > Tom Veldhouse The only thing your post made clear is that you don't bother to read all of a thread before replying to it. Maybe this will help: The following reply was sent by me on Thur 6/8/2006 7:57 AM * > -Original Message- > From: Bo Ørsted Andresen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 7:29 AM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] gcc-4.1.1 > > > Thursday 08 June 2006 16:00 skrev Bob Young: > > Show me some documentation for this "staging" you refer to. > > If you unpack the gcc sources you will find it in > gcc-*/INSTALL/build.html as > already mentioned by Richard. But you can also see it at [1]. > > [1] http://gcc.gnu.org/install/build.html > Okay, I stand corrected. Regards, Bob Young * -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] gcc-4.1.1
> -Original Message- > From: Jerry McBride [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 7:10 PM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] gcc-4.1.1 > > > On Wednesday 07 June 2006 21:50, Bob Young wrote: > Note that the > > article does in the end, do a double emerge -e system, so the > the value of > > updating a toolchain subset is questionable for the article's purposes. > > > > In short: > > > > emerge gcc-config glibc binutils libstdc++-v3 gcc > > emerge gcc-config glibc binutils libstdc++-v3 gcc > > emerge -e world > > > > To be clear, in order to make sure absolutely everything is > updated and the > > libraries that are linked against are also updated prior to use, the two > > emerge -e system commands, are the definitive solution. For > those who don't > > want to spend many extra hours of compile time, in order to gain a 0.5% > > increase in performance, the above is offered for consideration. > > > > Regards, > > Bob Young > > Wow! I said the same thing a week or so ago and got the same rebuttal. > However, it's what I do none the less. And it works. > I've been thinking about this over the last week or so. In particular the fact that gcc always uses itself to build itself, does elminate the need for building gcc twice. That being the case, emerging the new gcc then selecting it as the default system compiler followed by a single emerge -e world should be all that is necessary. I suppose it's possible that a few apps or utilities that use static linking *could* possibly end up linking against libraries that have not been rebuilt with the new compiler yet due to build order issues. However since the number of apps and utilities that actually use static linking is very small, it doesn't seem that a double emerge -e world or system is justified. That being said, seems these two articles appear to be giving out bad information: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=282474&highlight= http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-345229.html If I've mis-characterisized the issue in the above description I'd appreciate it if someone would correct any mis-statements. Lastly, since the Gentoo handbook no longer describes a stage one install, is there any "official" documentation that describes the *correct* way to do a stage3 install and end up with the same level of optimization and customization that used to be provided by a stage1 install? -- Regards, Bob Young -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] An alternative to http-replicator
On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 22:43:03 -0400 "Walter Dnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My approach requires 2 emerges (boa and rsyncd) and their config files > on the server plus inserting the server as the preferred mirror in 2 > lines in /etc/make.conf on the client(s). > That's close to what I do at work. Only I run a full Gentoo mirror because I need multiple architectures - x86, amd64, ia64, mips. Also, there are multiple users, and it's necessary to insure the LiveCDs and snapshots get transfered automatically. At home, http-replicator work fine for the small set of systems. No NFS required for either setup. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] An alternative to http-replicator
On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 10:25:25 + Mick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What's the pros/cons of mounting portage over NFS Vs http-replicator? If you only have one architecture and one system type or one system that can be a superset of the others, nfs will serve you fine. If you have multiple architectures, the packages release at different times and sometimes different revs. For this http-replicator is a better choice. For example - I run x86, amd64, and power pc. Thus, need a broader spectrum of packages. Or if you run desktops and servers (different sets of software) and don't have a common set of USE flags - use say, lighttpd, php, and mysql on the server but not on the desktop. Or more likely, use postfix, sasl, tinydns, and procmail on the server, but not the desktop (assumes the desktop uses LDAP or POP). Then http-replicator would be a better choice. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Evolution icons missing under KDE but nut under Gnome
This is how Evolution displays if I log in under KDE or Gnome: http://www.debug1.com/ Why the difference, and how can I get it to display correctly under KDE? TIA Bob Young -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] gcc-4.1.1
> -Original Message- > From: Bo Ørsted Andresen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 7:29 AM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] gcc-4.1.1 > > > Thursday 08 June 2006 16:00 skrev Bob Young: > > Show me some documentation for this "staging" you refer to. > > If you unpack the gcc sources you will find it in > gcc-*/INSTALL/build.html as > already mentioned by Richard. But you can also see it at [1]. > > [1] http://gcc.gnu.org/install/build.html > Okay, I stand corrected. Regards, Bob Young -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] gcc-4.1.1
> -Original Message- > From: Hans-Werner Hilse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 6:32 AM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] gcc-4.1.1 > > You haven't understood a word from the posting you're replying to. > > > It does have to be emerged twice in order for it to be built with > > itself, anybody who thinks otherwise doesn't understand the basic > > principles of compiling and linking. > > Try to understand what you are replying to. GCC's internal build logic > does the staging. That's got nothing to do with what your system calls > when you issue "gcc", and only at that point the slotting of GCC > versions comes into play. Show me some documentation for this "staging" you refer to. When you "emerge gcc" it is built with the current compiler, if the current compiler is gcc 3.4.6, and you emerge gcc 4.1.1, that means that while gcc 4.1.1 is being emerged it is built with gcc 3.4.6. gcc 4.1.1 can't be built with 4.1.1 because it hasn't been emerged yet, and as far as the system knows it doesn't actually exist yet. Can you clearly and concisely explain to me how something that is in the process of being emerged can be used to emerge itself? Doesn't make sense. Regards, Bob Young -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] gcc-4.1.1
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Richard Fish > Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 9:24 PM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] gcc-4.1.1 > > > On 6/7/06, Bob Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > chain. At the end of the first emerge -e system you may have a > new compiler, > > but that new compiler was built with the old compiler. > > This is false. Gcc uses itself to build itself. It uses the system > compiler to build an initial version of itself, and then uses that > version to build itself. And then for good measure, it uses that > version to build the final version. It's called a 3-stage bootstrap, > and is documented in the file INSTALL/build.html in the gcc sources. > You can also look at /usr/portage/eclass/toolchain.eclass to determine > that Gentoo uses the "bootstrap-lean" target by default. No, sorry that's just wrong. gcc is slotted, if the above were true there would be no need for gcc-config in order to select a default compiler. When a new compiler is emerged, it does *not* automatically become the default system compiler, it must be selected, and that can only happen after it has successfully been emerged. The first time a new gcc compiler is emerged, it is indeed built with the previous version of the compiler that is currently istalled as the system default. > Frankly, anybody who claims that gcc needs to be merged twice so it > can be built with itself and produce better object code does not have > a clue what they are talking about and you should simply disregard > anything else they have to say about what is necessary/useful when > upgrading gcc. It does have to be emerged twice in order for it to be built with itself, anybody who thinks otherwise doesn't understand the basic principles of compiling and linking. > > happen before glibc is rebuilt are linked against a glibc that was built > > with the old compiler. > > And guess what difference this makes to the end result. None. > Nada. Nothing. > > Because for basically every program on your system, they are > *dynamically linked* against glibc. Are you absolutely 100% sure that every single system utility and application is *dynamically* linked, and that no apps or utilities anywhere in the system specifies *static* linking? > There are a few statically linked programs that will include glibc > internally. These are used only for system recovery purposes...there > is no need to worry about them at all. Really, so people who intentionally and specifically want to upgrade absolutely *everything* should not worry about what gets left out because Richard says it's unimportant? The issue is about upgrading gcc and even the gcc upgrade howto recommends an emerge -e world. It's clear that gcc it self at least has to be emerged twice in order to build the new gcc *with* the new gcc. Whether this is strictly necessary or not is certaintly debatable, but since it executes fairly quickly, and seems a prudent step, I'd argue that it's a reasonable course. Of course a selecting the new gcc as the default with gcc-config is also required in between, but that's self evident. Adding gcc-config, glibc, binutils, libstdc++-v3, quickly covers the most important parts of the basic tool chain, and covers most utilities or apps that might specify static linking, and executes much much faster than an emerge -e system. > There is no value to having glibc or libstdc++-v3 in the first line. > There is no value at all to doing that twice. Twice is the only way to build the new gcc *with* the new gcc. I should have added the gcc-config select command in between, but I thought that was pretty clearly necessary. > Also, libstdc++-v3 is only needed by a few binary-only programs on > Gentoo. Moreover, it is simply a build of gcc-3.3.6, which as I > already said uses itself to build itself, so I cannot see any point in > ever re-merging libstdc++-v3 due to a gcc upgrade I know you said it, but that doesn't mean you were correct. The fact is that anything emerged is built with the currently selected system compiler, the first time a new compiler is emerged it is built with the current (old) compiler (duh). *After* it is successfuly emerged, it can be selected as the default system compiler, then re-emergeing gcc will result in the new compiler being built with the new compiler. The same holds true for libstdc++-v3 orginally it was built with the default system compiler, it makes sense to have it rebuilt with the new compiler. Regards, Bob Young -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] gcc-4.1.1
> On 6/7/06, Roy Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You might want to read: > > > > http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=282474&highlight= > > > > which basically recommends: > > > > emerge -s > > emerge -s > > emerge -e > > emerge -e > > > Ugh, this is completely pointless. A single "emerge -e world" is > sufficient. > Depends on what you consider sufficient. Although what the page recommends was misquoted, it actually suggests: emerge -e system emerge -e system emerge -e world emerge -e world That's probably is a little bit excessive, but the reason for doing the two emerge -e systems is so that the new tool chain is built with the new tool chain. At the end of the first emerge -e system you may have a new compiler, but that new compiler was built with the old compiler. What you actually want is a gcc-4.1.1 that was built with gcc-4.1.1. You could emerge the compiler twice before doing the emerge -e system, but the the emerges that happen before glibc is rebuilt are linked against a glibc that was built with the old compiler. Same with the rest of the tool chain and libraries. That being said "emerge -e system" is probably overkill just for a new toolchain. Updating a subset of all possible toolchain related things and then following that by a single emerge -e world would probably be sufficient for most people. This page: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-345229.html is about doing an install, but it shows how to update a subset of the entire tool chain. Note that the article does in the end, do a double emerge -e system, so the the value of updating a toolchain subset is questionable for the article's purposes. In short: emerge gcc-config glibc binutils libstdc++-v3 gcc emerge gcc-config glibc binutils libstdc++-v3 gcc emerge -e world To be clear, in order to make sure absolutely everything is updated and the libraries that are linked against are also updated prior to use, the two emerge -e system commands, are the definitive solution. For those who don't want to spend many extra hours of compile time, in order to gain a 0.5% increase in performance, the above is offered for consideration. Regards, Bob Young -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Aparrent confcache issue - Solved,but.....
.3 built and installed without error. The description for confcache says: "GNU autoconf is a bottleneck for compiling packages - especially on multi-processor boxes, confcache had been considered as a way to lower the cost of repeatedly running autoconf-generated configure scripts." Since this is a dual Opteron box I'd like to use confcache, seems that it might save some time while building the 450 or so packages that I now need to start over on rebuilding. Of course if confcache had worked correctly I wouldn't need to start over. I've looked in the man pages and searched the web for confcache information, but haven't found much. 1. Should I have known that I needed to do something to confcache after upgrading gcc, is that "common knowledge" that I missed somehow? 2. Can I safely re-enable confcache before restarting the emerge -e world? I did find this http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=133902, and the comments in the "master" confcache bug seem to indicate that the "error" is in an ebuild previous to the one that failed. If I had not deleted /var/tmp/confcache/config.cache I'd have sent in the requested information to help resolve this bug. I can't tell from the comments whether or not it's safe to re-enable confcache with a new fresh database, or if there are just some ebuilds that break when it's enabled. 3. Is there any info regarding refreshing, updating, maintaining, confcache's cache, specifically how, when, and what to do? TIA Bob Young San Jose, CA. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Help on gentoo 2.6
Hi guys. I installed 2.6.16-gentoo-r7 on a x86 desk top computer. After reboot, I fond two problems. The net work connection lost. I run the /etc/init.d/net.eth0 start, get a eth0 does not exist error message. Is there any one can help me fix it. I need to download more tools for the basic operating system. Another problem is when I run "rc -update" there is an error message " runlevel update is not existed" . Thanks. Bob Bao [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[gentoo-user] Gentoo net work connection problem
Hi guys. I installed 2.6.16-gentoo-r7 on a x86 desk top computer. After reboot, I fond two problems. The net work connection lost. I run the /etc/init.d/net.eth0 start, get a eth0 does not exist error message. Is there any one can help me fix it. I need to download more tools for the basic operating system. Another problem is when I run "rc -update" there is an error message " runlevel update is not existed" . Thanks. Bob Bao [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Build error in threads.c, maybe related to nptlonly use flag.
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Richard Fish > Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 10:48 AM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Build error in threads.c, maybe related to > nptlonly use flag. > > Not an nptl issue, looks like a bug in the configure to me. > > The configure is finding that glibc has the > pthread_mutexattr_setrobust_np function, so in threads.c it is > activating this piece of code: Thanks for the detailed explaination and the solution, much appreciated. Regards, Bob Young -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Build error in threads.c, maybe related to nptlonly use flag.
reported only once
threads.c:145: error: for each function it appears in.)
make[2]: *** [threads.so] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/var/tmp/portage/mit-krb5-1.4.3/work/krb5-1.4.3/src/util/support'
make[1]: *** [all-recurse] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/var/tmp/portage/mit-krb5-1.4.3/work/krb5-1.4.3/src/util'
make: *** [all-recurse] Error 1
!!! ERROR: app-crypt/mit-krb5-1.4.3 failed.
!!! Function src_compile, Line 53, Exitcode 2
!!! (no error message)
!!! If you need support, post the topmost build error, NOT this status
message.
>>> original instance of package unmerged safely.
>>> sys-apps/tcp-wrappers-7.6-r8 merged.
>>> clean: No packages selected for removal.
>>> emerge (143 of 189) app-crypt/mit-krb5-1.4.3 to /
>>> md5 files ;-) mit-krb5-1.4.1-r2.ebuild
* make.conf **
CHOST="x86_64-pc-linux-gnu"
CFLAGS="-march=opteron -O3 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -ftracer"
CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}"
USE="amd64 a52 acl acpi adns alsa arts audiofile avi bash-completion berkdb
bonobo bzip2 caps
cdparanoia cdr crypt cscope ctype curl curlwrappers cups dbus dbx dio
directfb divx4linux doc
dvd dvdr dvdread emacs emacs-w3 emul-linux-x86 encode ethereal evo
examples exif fam fastcgi
fbcon ffmpeg fftw flash foomaticdb fortran ftp gb gdbm gif glx -gnome
gnutls glut gmp gphoto2
gpm gstreamer gpm -gtk -gtk2 gtkhtml hal idn ieee1394 imlib
imagemagick jack java jbig javascript
jikes joystick jpeg junit -kde -kdeenablefinal kerberos -krb4 -ldap
libwww mad maildir mbox mikmod
mime ming mng mono mozilla mp3 mpeg mpi multilib mysql ncurses nis
nocardbus nptl nptlonly
offensive ogg oggvorbis opengl pcntl pcre pdflib perl php png posix
python -qt quicktime readline
samba sasl session simplexml slp snmp sndfile sockets source spell spl
ssl svga tcpd tidy tiff truetype
truetype-fonts type1-fonts usb verbose videos wmf wxwindows -X xml
xml2 xmms xpm xv xvid zlib"
***
I think the "nptl nptlonly " use flags are relevant to this, but am not
sure. I know the "kerberos" flag is related, but since the box will be
interacting with an Active Directory domain controler kerberos seems
appropiate to have.
I'd prefer not to give up nptlonly flag to solve this, but if that's the
only way to avoid this error, I guess I'll have no choice, but most of all I
would like to understand exactly what and where the problem is. If it's
something moderately simple, like threads.c not "paying attention to a
define" or something similar, I might try and fix it, but either way I'd
like to understand it more than I currently do.
Output that seems particularly interesting:
Output: "threads.c:145: error: `pthread_mutexattr_setrobust_np' undeclared
(first use in this function)"
Comment: Okay that's the error pthread_mutexattr_setrobust_np is undeclared.
Output "checking for pthread_mutexattr_setrobust_np... no" (<- From
configure)
Comment: HmmmConfigure knows it's not available in the "normal" way.
Output: "-DHAVE_PTHREAD_MUTEXATTR_SETROBUST_NP_IN_THREAD_LIB=1" (<- From
gcc )
Comment: What is this supposed to signify?
Output: checking for pthread_mutexattr_setrobust_np in -lc... yes (<- From
configure)
Comment: Okay...It's available in "-lc" what does that mean? and if it's
available why is it causing a build error?
Comment: What does "-lc" mean? Would declaring
pthread_mutexattr_setrobust_np as "external" on the condition of some define
solve the problem?
Again sorry for the long post, TIA to anyone who can share some insight.
Regards,
Bob Young
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Re: [gentoo-user] New USE flags???
On Tue, 9 May 2006 20:06:53 -0600 "Justin Findlay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Not even the most dogged user is going to read through every flag and > decide if he wants it set or not. I do and set specific sets of flags for each machine I run. It does take about 30 min. and I do have to check for changes - USE flags going away, new ones, every six months or so, but a review is always a good thing. > So, for example, Joe Hacker, who has a laptop and a server can > explicitly unset all multimedia and office/desktop flags in ufed for > his server while explicitly enabling just the server flags he needs > while on his laptop he can enable all development flags and pick the > desktop flags he wants in a matter of seconds rather than minutes > because the desktop flags are all in the same catergory. > > You could also allow users even greater specificity over their flags > with ufed by giving them the option to set flags on a per package > basis, although this may be more effort than it's worth. > You might want to peruse this GLEP - http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/glep/glep-0029.html It was withdrawn, but perhaps that was because other tasks took a higher priority and this needed to wait for them to complete. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Why is lynx a dependency?
On Sat, 06 May 2006 13:13:19 + Mick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The mind boggles! It seems that I'll have to emerge elinks or lynx whether > I want it or not. You'll be mighty happy you have it for that one time X won't start and you need to download a fix or find one from the command line using elinks or lynx. I've been there way too often to not have a backup text based web browser installed, for the once or twice each year this may occur. But then I run several systems, some have no graphics console, so I see the need more than most. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Install help
Hi. I am a new gentoo user here. I downloaded gentoo 2.6 liveCD from gentoo website. After couple time trying, finally I successfully complete the installing. But, after log in, I only get a xterm window and a session window. I think suppose I should get a graphic user interface like boot Thanks. Bob Bao -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Modular Xorg 7 won't start with nVidia GeForce4 440 Go
On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:48:36 -0700 "Daevid Vincent" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm using the latest 8756 version of the nvidia driver. > Try this - emerge -C nvidia-kernel nvidia-glx emerge -av =nvidia-kernel-1.0.8178-r3 =nvidia-glx-1.0.8178-r1 Set the /etc/X11/xorg.conf driver def to nvidia and re-try starting X. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] dhcp server
On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 19:09:21 +0530
"Hiren Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> subnet 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {
^ shouldn't that be a "2"?
Bob
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Re: [gentoo-user] AMD64 on board video
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 22:32:41 -0500 JimD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well I have been married a little over 5 years. I "let" my wife manage > the finances starting a few years ago. She knows how much money is in > the bank down to a dime. If I tap-mac and get cash, I get the > 3rd-degree of what was the money for, especially if I take out $100+ : ) > Well, you could cut back on eating and save, say half your lunch money each day and stash it. Or switch to tea from *$ Lattes - Only $1.00 vs $3.50. It adds up pretty quick. > I am afraid I am going to have to go the wuss route and ask the > wifey-poo :) > Don't do it. Trust me. You'll pay big time. That $100 will turn into $400 to $1,000 for her, plus a summer of chick flicks. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] AMD64 on board video
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 17:46:01 -0500 JimD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Did I leave anything out that is needed for nvidia on an amd64? Or > should I not expect anything more from the on board NVIDIA GeForce 6100 > even though it is running over PCI-e? > Onboard video uses system memory. So the bandwidth to memory is limited by PCIe, HT, and two hops to the memory and back. Figure memory bandwidth around 800 MB/s to 1 GB/s tops, if nothing else is going on on the bus. Even an inexpensive 6200 with onboard memory has 4 GB/s or more. If you need the performance, get either a 6600 or wait a bit for the newer 7600. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Recommended amd64 box for Gentoo
On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 03:06:42 -0500 "Walter Dnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My main worries would be proprietary stuff like RealPlayer and the > win32codecs portion of mplayer. > Both work for me within reason. The win32codecs I use with mplayer-bin. And Realplayer works. But if you are one that wants seamless integration with a browser or gui, then you'll be disappointed and unhappy. I've not had any issue with streaming audio. Some issues with streaming video - video.google.com doesn't work. But for anything that's downloadable, mostly no problems playing. Some problems with video from those using very new versions of Micrsoft's video formats. fwiw - I use both Firefox and Opera, but not firefox-bin. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Recommended amd64 box for Gentoo
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:07:46 -0800 Bob Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 13:04:58 -0600 > "Michael Madden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Could someone recommend an amd64 box to use with Gentoo 2006.0? > > I had considered one of the following workstations; has anyone had > > good or bad experience with these workstations and Gentoo for amd64? > > > > HP xw9300 > > Sun Ultra 40 > > IBM IntelliStation A Pro > > Alienware MJ-12 7550a > > Thinking about it my reply should have been - Gentoo will run fine on any box the vendor sells with a Linux as an option to on it. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Recommended amd64 box for Gentoo
On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 13:04:58 -0600 "Michael Madden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Could someone recommend an amd64 box to use with Gentoo 2006.0? > I had considered one of the following workstations; has anyone had > good or bad experience with these workstations and Gentoo for amd64? > > HP xw9300 > Sun Ultra 40 > IBM IntelliStation A Pro > Alienware MJ-12 7550a > No. Shuttle XPC SN95G5 V3 - typing this email now Nvidia 6600GT Gfx card, though it's seen several others. This system was built early 2005. Penguin Computing 1U server - been running since 2004, 2P Opteron Self-built 2P Opteron Tyan K8W S2885 motherboard, running since 2004. Nvidia 6600GT gfx card. Started out with an Nvidia 5900XT. It lost one cpu - memory controller went bad last year. Upgraded both cpus and now have powernowd running doing dynamic frequency control. Self-built 2P Opteron MSI motherboard, built 2004, motherboard lost memory traces in 2005. Now dead. All have run Gentoo, though the Penguin Computing server started out with SLES 8, that basically sucked. SLES 9 and SLES 10 are better, but it's a critical lab server and I won't run software we test on something critical like that. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 2.6.15-gentoo-r7 and dhcpcd
On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 16:52:48 +0100 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Since I switched to kernel 2.6.15-gentoo-r7 (from r5), with an identical > .config > file, dhcpcd doesn't stay alive as a daemon: > - it starts okay at boot time and eth1 gets its address from IAF, then it dies > - when the lease time's over, I don't have internet access anymore until I > rebbot. > What gives ? Anyone got the same problem ? I can't actually say. However, if it's the dhcpcd that comes with net-misc/dhcp then that client has a persistence problem and the standalone client - net-misc/dhcpcd is a better choice. Or perhaps - net-misc/pump, might be a better choice? Yes, I didn't answer your question as I don't have a working knowledge of the kernel and the client other than the persistence issue seen on another Linux on an ia64 platform. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] antivirus
Every few months or so I'll load Norton AntiVirus, grab the latest latest virus definitions, and do a full scan of the entire system, nothing is ever found. After the scan is complete I uninstall it. The importance of Antivirus software is waaay over exagarated. For people who aren't willing to adopt the few simple practices that would keep them safe, AntiVirus software may have some value. However, for anyone willing to adhere to a few basic rules, AV software is mostly the modern day equevelent of Snake Oil, it's a waste of money and CPU cycles. Regards Bob Young > -Original Message- > From: Midnight Toker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 1:57 AM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] antivirus > > > If you've been running without Anti Virus software for years now, how > do you know the machines are clean of virus's? > > > On 8 Mar 2006, at 20:24, Bob Young wrote: > > > Here, here. It's really not about the OS, or what "protection" > > software is > > or isn't installed, it's about the habits and practices of the > > user. Any > > computer can (and probably will) be compromised if the user is > > careless or > > naive about what they do and where they go on the Net. Like you, > > I've run > > different versions of DOS, Windows (NT derivatives only), OS/2, & > > Linux. I > > did get a virus once in the early days when running DOS, but since > > then I've > > never had a Windows or Linux box compromised by a virus or malware, > > and > > that's without running any anti-virus software of any kind on any > > of the > > Windows boxes. > > > > FWIW one of those Windows boxes is currently a web/email/DNS/FTP > > server > > with seven public IPs serving between four and seven domains. There > > is also > > a Gentoo Linux box doing secondary DNS for the domains, the windows > > box has > > a firewall but no AV software at all, both servers (one Windows & one > > Gentoo), have remained clean and stable for several years now, as > > do all of > > my various Windows and Gentoo workstations, none of which run any > > antivirus > > software. > > > > In short if a user is getting infected a lot using Windows, > > switching to > > Linux is not curing the root cause. The basic problem is the user > > needs to > > understand what s/he is doing that's allowing malicious code to > > execute on > > their system and stop doing it. In the vast majority of Windows cases, > > simply *not* routinely logging on with admin privileges would > > probably stop > > 99% plus of the infections. > > > > Regards, > > Bob Young > > > > > > > > -- > > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list > > > > -- > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list > > -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] stock tracker
On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 07:55:39 -0600 Qv6 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello: > > I'm looking for a scrolling stock ticker/tracker for Kde or Gnome. Any > good one out there? > I've used tclticker for ages. It's not desktop specific. http://www.nyx.net/~tpoindex/tcl.html Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] antivirus
> -Original Message- > From: Michael Kintzios [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 9:12 AM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: RE: [gentoo-user] antivirus > > > -Original Message- > > From: Bob Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 08 March 2006 21:05 > > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > > Subject: RE: [gentoo-user] antivirus > > > [snip] > > As to not running without Admin > > rights, most of those > > cases can be taken care of with RunAs. It's better to run a > > single App with > > Admin privledges rather than have all apps including email > > and browsers > > running with Admin rights. > > Actually, it would be better to troubleshoot the particular application > and allow it write/execute or modify rights *only* to the files it needs > to access for the particular plain user (typically some files or a > folder under C:\Program Files). In most cases it's not blocked file writes that cause these apps to fail, it's blocked access to registry keys. In many cases, I'm convinced it's simply a matter of the app incorrectly specifying read/write access to a value or key that it really only needs read access to. It would be inappropiate and dangerous to grant registry write permissions to regular users, even just for certain keys or subsections, just to fix one or two badly designed apps. If it were just a matter of writing to files under the "Program Files" directory, then the apps would work under a PowerUser account, and yet there are indeed badly designed apps that fail to run as a PowerUser, but work fine when executed with Admin rights. > It may take some time to set up access rights for all such badly written > apps, but it'll keep your M$Windoze box as safe as it will ever be. If > in addition you shut down all the open by default Windoze ports > (135-139, 445, 500, 1900, 4000 + remote admin) and disable I agree that a properly configured firewall is important to system security on any machine with a public IP address, that's true regardless of what operating system is running on it. > unnecessary/dangerous services and also stop using OE and IE (or at > least stop using them with their default settings) you should be safe > enough going about your normal business. I've never used OE under Windows, I consider it a throw away app, I find the full version of Outlook much more capable. As to the defaults for it and IE, I'd agree that it's possible to choose more "lockedown" settings. I'm less concerned about this if they are running under a non Admin account and are behind a decently configured firewall. Personally I find html email much more readable and expressive than bland ASCII text, that being said, neither I nor my wife open unknown/untrusted attachments. WRT IE, I enable/disable scripting/ActiveX depending on what I'm doing and what I know about my destination(s). Regards, Bob Young -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] antivirus
> -Original Message- > From: Tim Igoe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 11:36 AM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] antivirus > > A windows `Power User` is too privileged for most uses. What rights/privledges does a powerUser have that you believe are "too privledged?" I've run my Windows systems as a PowerUser for years and they've always remained clean and stable, even without using antivirus software. > Ideally Windows > would be great if it followed the Linux way of working more - install as > Admin (thats fine imo) but run as a completely unprivileged (guest or > standard) user. I disagree, I'd much rather have more than two different types of users, (God and everyone else). I prefer "Guest" to have different privledges than a "regular" user, and an anonymous internet visitor to have a different set from either of those, while more technicaly savy and trusted users might be given a PowerUser account. > I've had problems with windows machines not running software as > unprivileged users before now. Causes too many problems due to the > access and thus viruses / malware that get installed. Yes, there are some poorly designed programs that insist on Admin rights, but I'm not aware of any such cases that won't function properly when executed with RunAs. I think it's way better to have one or two applications running with Admin privledges than everything including browsers and email executing with Admin rights. Beyond that, just a PowerUser account having write access to some files under the system folder does not automatically mean that external malicious forces, i.e. malware authors, can actually successfuly modify them. It's still required that the user do something to cause some untrusted script or code to execute. If scripting isn't enabled in the browser, and the user doesn't open unknown/unexpected/untrusted attachments, there isn't really any viable way for malware to be installed. I'm sorry to be arguing positively for Windows on a Gentoo list, I do use Gentoo and it is my favorite Linux distro, I've just never been able to muster up blind dislike for any computer operating system. I try to look at the pros and cons of a particular feature's implementation, and judge it objectively. I don't always come down in favor of Windows, or Linux, it just depends on the particular functionality being discussed. Regards, Bob Young -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] antivirus
-Original Message- From: Jarry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 8:50 PM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] antivirus Bob Young wrote: > PowerUser is different from Admin, Admin is the equevelent of root in the > Linux/Unix world, PowerUser is not. The primary and most important > difference is the ability to *write* to the registry, It's perfectly safe to > routinely log on as a PowerUser, as PowerUsers can *not* write to registry > keys that affect the entire system, while Admin users can write to *any* > registry key. I'm not sure if this is true. Anyway, PowerUser has the ability to install sw (even system patches!), No, PowerUsers can *NOT* install software, installing software (in most cases) requires writing to registry keys outside of the HKEY_CURRENT_USER hive, which is something a PowerUser cannot do. Windows update will definitely fail without admin privileges; I know this for a fact. I've on a number of occasions tried to run WindowsUpdate from my normal PowerUser account; it will display a dialog box specifically stating that Admin privileges are required. alter executables and system files! PowerUser can write to C:\ProgramFiles, or C:\Windows, and that is exactly, what a virus need to spread itself. As to the ability of writing to the Program Files or the Windows directory that may be true, and in theory I suppose it probably represents a small degree of risk. In several years of actual practice however I can say it hasn't caused a problem for me personally. In addition, if someone is really concerned about the issue, removing write and/or modify permissions for PowerUsers on those directories is a fairly trivial task. Since I've not tried this I can't say for sure what side effects it might have with some applications, so I'm not advocating it, though I don't see any obvious reasons why it should cause major problems ( Still... !Do a Backup first!). Not many viruses can hide their code in registry (that is just equivalent to /etc in unix-world), mostly they attach themselves to some exe/sys file, or overwrite them... I wasn't suggesting that viruses "hide their code" in the registry, that's not what the registry is for or how it's used. I was suggesting that any modification that affects the system as a whole or impacts more than just the current user is going to require modifying registry keys that cannot be written without Admin privileges. So, if you start a virus-infected program as a PowerUser, there are perfect conditions for spreading infection. If there were some virus for linux, and you start it as a normal user, it can not alter executables in /usr or /sbin, because user does not have write access to them. Such a virus could infect only *your* files. In practice it just doesn't happen that way. In addition it should be noted that by default even PowerUsers don't have write/modify permission on some sensitive directories C:\Windows\System32\drivers for example. This directory contains device drivers (code that runs in ring0 with unlimited privileges). For PowerUsers this directory is "Read & Execute" "List Contents" and "Read" that's all the permission a PowerUser has. So while a PowerUser might be able to modify some application level code in the Windows directory, actually compromising system security is a matter. I'd say PowerUser is something between a restricted user, and admin. True. I've used both Linux and Windows over the years, and they each have their strengths and weaknesses. Finer grained user permissions/privileges is one of the areas where Windows has an edge. Regards, Bob Young -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] antivirus
-Original Message- From: Jarry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 1:04 PM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] antivirus Bob Young wrote: > In the vast majority of Windows cases, simply *not* routinely logging on > with admin privileges would probably stop 99% plus of the infections. True, but unfortunatelly, there are too many win-applications (even serious ones), which does not work correctly (or at all) without user having admin (power-user) privileges... PowerUser is different from Admin, Admin is the equevelent of root in the Linux/Unix world, PowerUser is not. The primary and most important difference is the ability to *write* to the registry, It's perfectly safe to routinely log on as a PowerUser, as PowerUsers can *not* write to registry keys that affect the entire system, while Admin users can write to *any* registry key. Most applications will run just fine as PowerUser, apps that truly *require* Admin rights are frankly, poorly designed. Even so, routinely logging on with Admin rights just because you need/want to run one or two badly designed apps is still a very bad idea. For the very very few aps that actually do require Admin rights RunAs is a much better and safer solution. Regards, Bob Young -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] antivirus
-Original Message- From: John Jolet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 12:36 PM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] antivirus > > In short if a user is getting infected a lot using Windows, > switching to > Linux is not curing the root cause. The basic problem is the user > needs to > understand what s/he is doing that's allowing malicious code to > execute on > their system and stop doing it. In the vast majority of Windows cases, > simply *not* routinely logging on with admin privileges would > probably stop > 99% plus of the infections. that's an interesting commentwindows xp is the first version that even gives you that option. and most of the games my kids play on the computer simply won't run unless you have admin rights. I agree that the default of not creating a non admin account is a bad choice, but be that as it may, it's still true that not routinely logging on with admin rights will stop the vast vast majority of malware dead in it's tracks. If someone chooses to routinely log on with admin rights after they know it's dangerous, but do so just because it's the default, then I would have to question whether or not they are honestly interested in keping the system clean, or whether there is some other agenda being catered to. As to not running without Admin rights, most of those cases can be taken care of with RunAs. It's better to run a single App with Admin privledges rather than have all apps including email and browsers running with Admin rights. Regards, Bob Young -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] antivirus
-Original Message- From: neil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 11:23 AM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] antivirus Jarry wrote: > I got viruses many times. Over the past 20-odd years, I have had machines running many versions of DOS, all versions of Windows since Windows 286, all versions of OS/2 since 1.3 and several distributions of Linux. I have never, ever seen a virus. I have to wonder what you are doing to be so "unfortunate". Here, here. It's really not about the OS, or what "protection" software is or isn't installed, it's about the habits and practices of the user. Any computer can (and probably will) be compromised if the user is careless or naive about what they do and where they go on the Net. Like you, I've run different versions of DOS, Windows (NT derivatives only), OS/2, & Linux. I did get a virus once in the early days when running DOS, but since then I've never had a Windows or Linux box compromised by a virus or malware, and that's without running any anti-virus software of any kind on any of the Windows boxes. FWIW one of those Windows boxes is currently a web/email/DNS/FTP server with seven public IPs serving between four and seven domains. There is also a Gentoo Linux box doing secondary DNS for the domains, the windows box has a firewall but no AV software at all, both servers (one Windows & one Gentoo), have remained clean and stable for several years now, as do all of my various Windows and Gentoo workstations, none of which run any antivirus software. In short if a user is getting infected a lot using Windows, switching to Linux is not curing the root cause. The basic problem is the user needs to understand what s/he is doing that's allowing malicious code to execute on their system and stop doing it. In the vast majority of Windows cases, simply *not* routinely logging on with admin privileges would probably stop 99% plus of the infections. Regards, Bob Young -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] 3d rendering with dri radeon
On Wed, 1 Mar 2006 10:30:48 -0600 Bruce Burden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 09:36:05PM +0100, Benno Schulenberg wrote: > My real issue is that fglrx worked under Suse 9.2, > and not under Gentoo. But, no, I am NOT going back. Try > installing xfishtank under Suse... > By chance have you insured that - /usr/lib/libGL.la is symlinked to /usr/lib/opengl/ati/lib/libGL.la? Just asking as neither opengl-update nor eselect opengl set will create the link. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo kixtstart/jumpstart equivalent
On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:54:04 -0800 gentuxx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > > Also, one inherent flaw with your suggestion is the requirement of a > livecd. I know you mentioned floppy, but these are SPARC boxen and I > doubt I could fit all the drivers/commands/etc. on a floppy, and one > doesn't even have a floppy. Thus the necessity for a network boot > situation. > Why not setup a diskless boot via dhcp/tftp? And boot the liveCD over the net? It pretty much runs in memory. Once the kernel in running, the rest could be nfs mounted. You might have to tweak a startup/initrd script, but that should be about it all. See - http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/diskless-howto.xml http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/altinstall.xml#doc_chap5 Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] 4/8 CPU Gentoo server
On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 18:27:25 -0800 gentuxx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm getting this box from a vendor, and I thought they had limited > options. We've always gone Intel before, and I'm relatively new to > this organization. I'm going to poke around for some benchmarks. I > would be interested in seeing them, both from the perspective of my > home P4/HT box, as well as this one. > Anandtech has a series of Xeon/Opteron comparison articles at - http://www.anandtech.com/it/ Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] 4/8 CPU Gentoo server
On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 15:52:01 -0800 gentuxx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi all, > > Just wondering if anyone here has any experience with gentoo on a 4/8 > CPU server. I've been running it for years on a 4P PIII Xeon and my take is I won't run more than 2 Intel processors on their Front Side Bus - The bus saturates very quickly. The cpus stall out waiting for memory. If you are going to run more than 2 cpus, go for an Opteron solution. It scales much better and the dual-core limits the FSB to 2 cpus per connect. Also, if you look around at places like - 2cpu.com, you'll see at 4 cpus, the Opteron's massive memory bandwidth leaves the Xeon way behind on most benchmarks. Finally, outside of very, very specific tasks, Intel's HT actually slows down performance. Again check the web sites for specific benchmarks. If your application doesn't fall into the use area where HT actually helps, it's best to turn it off. As to Linux scaling, I've run Linux, not Gentoo, on a few different 8P, 16P, 20P, 32P, and 64P systems, and on one 512P system. The 512P was kind of fun - kicking off and stopping 512 setiathome instances, all at the same time. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] AMD 64 bit system selections
> For video data, use a linear stripe across two controllers. And at least > three controllers > for HD video. But HD video requires SCSI or SAS, stripped across multiple > controllers and > 15Krpm drives in the arrays. I should be a bit more detailed. For - Uncompressed SD video - 60 MB/s sustained. 3 to 4 IDE drives striped will do. Uncompressed HD video, up to 1080i - 270 MB/s sustained - 3 disk controllers, 3 disk arrays, 15 Krpm drives. Uncompressed HD video 1080p or 4:4:4:4 or dual-link - 360 MB/s sustained - 4 disk controllers, 4 disk arrays, 15 Krpm drives. Compressed SD video - mpeg2, 480P, DVpro - 20 MB/s sustained - 1 disk controller, 7200 rpm drives, single array. 2 streams requires Uncompressed SD bandwidth. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] AMD 64 bit system selections
On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:58:53 + (UTC) James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What's the best 64 bit processor choice for performance for Gentoo? > Dual-core? Perhaps you should ask what the best price performance/watt in the cpu range? Generally it's best to figure out your needs and then calculate the cost for each step up in cpu power to meet those needs. > Complimentary ram specs? > Personally, I prefer 2-2-2 or 2-3-2.5 ram, but it's expensive and not all applications benefit. > Mobo recommendations (lm_sensors and acpi support) in a 19 inch rack? > Tyan or Super Micro tend to be better choices. > N+1 redundant power supply recommendations? > Vendors change every year. If you've got big bucks and can find someone that will sell single units - Delta. Otherwise, whomever can meet the current demands. > 10/100/1000 Ethernet support? > On the motherboard - best is typically Broadcom or Intel. The rest are pretty good. > What's the friendliest high end video card for displaying video > (fast motion) that has open source drivers? Multiple displays? > Doesn't exist. But Nvidia is the better bet as their drivers tend to work more often. > Which Sata-2 drives give good performance and size (400 G or more)? > > What's the best Raid level to run for storing, searching and manipulating > tons of video, and should I get a Gentoo friendly controller or use > software raid? > For video data, use a linear stripe across two controllers. And at least three controllers for HD video. But HD video requires SCSI or SAS, stripped across multiple controllers and 15Krpm drives in the arrays. > Finally which file system would one recommed for this video server > with the best, stable performance. > XFS. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] 3dlabs Wildcat Realizm
On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 14:04:53 +0100 (CET) Álvaro Castro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So, any one uses Wildcat Realizm? > No, but I did use a VP970 for awhile. The problem you;ll have is that Gentoo moves much faster than 3DLabs, and much faster than Xig, which used to supply the Linux driver for the older 3DLabs card (technically, the Xserver as well). 3DLabs, somewhat like ATI is more concerned with their WinXX customers - the big OEMS, big dmedia customers, and others where they can make the most of Marketing messages, and sell numerous cards. Nvidia is like this as well, but internally, has a large base of Linux using developers - not Linux specific developers, but devs that won't use other operating systems. Thus tended to get through the Linux ramp-up for drivers really fast as it had a large self-interest. So expect to have to stay on the same kernel/Xorg for a really long time. Best to switch over to just updating for GLSA issues and running a really stable system. And then when you do upgrade, expect to have to deal with the issue again. Most of 3DLabs' base will buy a set of systems and cards for a specific project, and after the 3 yrs or so the project runs, move on to the next project, at which time they will update the software and probably hardware as well. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Hardware Testing a PC
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:26:23 + Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Try searching Freshmeat for "stress test", there are several programs to > put network, CPU, I/O etc. through their paces. There's also StressLinux, > a live CD containing a number of these programs. > emerge -uDNav stress Generally, it's best to add - emerge -uDNav rss-glx The start up one or more of the screensavers via the commandline - /usr/lib/misc/xscreensaver/skyrocket which will test both openGL and sound. Add stress on the command line and that takes care of most things except 2D dma. But because desktops, like KDE, Gnome, e17, all use a layer over the X root window, one can't see the test happen. Assuming e16, flux, openbox, etc. a script would be created that does the following - Sets up odd and even forefground and background with solid colors like blue, green, red, yellow. Sets the bitmap path to /usr/include/X11/bitmaps and then create a loop that takes the bitmaps, one by one, found in the previous path and rotates each one though xsetroot - xsetroot -bitmap $bgpath/$bg -fg $oddfg -bg $oddbg Then sleep for a few sec, and get the next combo. Then do all the even background combos. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?
On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 09:44:19 +1000 "Alan E. Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > May I ask others' experiences with e17? I just wasted my holiday > installing e17 on two of three machines. It is smaller than Kde, but > background is 20% of cpu . Buggy. Beautiful. A PITA to configure, > and menus suck. I don't think I'll be there long. I liked > enlightenment .16 except I guess I really do need icons to remind me > of what I've got on the system, and good menus. > I used it a bit. Reminded me too much of WinXX/KDE/Gnome do I went back to e16.7. Icons can be added with Rox and Rox-session. Menu editing is easy with e16menuedit and key editing with e16keyedit. > I still haven't decided to dump e17 for real, but in looking back, I > did note how heavy KDE 3.5 is. Gnome: my employers already treat me > like a child; I need options and flexibility. > It's also possible to use engage with e16.7. giving a task bar at the bottom of the screen. > But one glaring deficiency keeps hitting me in the face---you can't do > links with them. Noone has figured out how to make links user > friendly? It's too complicated for the end user? Rox filer lets me make links. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge world?
On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:58:07 +0100 Antoine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > [blocks B ] media-libs/libungif (is blocking media-libs/giflib-4.1.4) > [blocks B ] app-text/poppler-0.4.3-r4) > [empty/missing/bad digest]: sys-devel/gcc-config-1.3.12-r6 > [blocks B ] =x11-libs/openmotif-2.2.3-r3 (is blocking > x11-libs/motif-config-0.9) > > > I get these blocks when trying to emerge world. I can't seem to figure > out why for any of them. Can someone shed some light? emerge -C libungif xpdf emerge -uDNav world emerge -uDNav xpdf Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
