RE: [Hornlist] NHR - Beethoven factoid?
Loren lo...@mayhews.us 001 (520) 289-0700 1saleaday.com (don't ask) has a daily item they call stat of the day. This is today's stat: *== Beethoven* Every time Beethoven sat down to write music, he poured ice water on his head. *== *Do we know if this is so? A couple of internet references mention it, but they are doubtful and unsupported. If it is so, I wonder where he got the ice. David Goldberg From the refrigerator! Loren Mayhew, Owner Computer Intelligence LLC, dba CI Music c...@mayhews.us www.mayhews.us/CI/Finke 001 (520) 289-0700 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Re: Ifor James playing Neruda
In the same vein and with the same warning, I can add to the intrigue. Louis Stout related to me how Mr. Tuckwell used to preach that you don't need a descant horn. After listening to a recording of Barry's, possibly the Zelenka to which Lawrence refers, but I don't remember for sure now, Louis had is suspicions. The next time he saw Barry in person, he asked him privately, with a knowing chuckle, if he had played a cheater horn in that recording. Barry admitted that he had. Loren Mayhew, Owner Computer Intelligence LLC, dba CI Music c...@mayhews.us www.mayhews.us/CI/Finke 001 (520) 289-0700 I heard a story about the recording of the Zelenka - WARNING: I have absolutely no evidence to support or substantiate thIs story and I offer it as an amusing anecdote which may or may not be as true as any other amusing anecdote doing the rounds. I cannot even remember who told me this. Anyway, the story was that Mr. Tuckwell took the high horn on approval from Paxmans with a view to buying it, recorded the Zelenka, possibly the only piece in the world for which he might need such an instrument, then took it back. Maybe someone from Paxmans or anyone closer to the events could substantiate or repudiate this? Cheers, Lawrence -- Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Rare horn piece to be performed
It seems that 2-letter abbreviations work for state and country abbreviations, 3-letter abbreviations are sufficient worldwide for baggage claim tickets, but orchestras need 4-letter abbreviations. That is why my orchestra is abbreviated SASO (Southern Arizona Symphony Orchestra). You might think symphony and orchestra are redundant words but it makes our abbreviation necessary and unique. Loren Mayhew, Owner Computer Intelligence LLC, dba CI Music c...@mayhews.us www.mayhews.us/CI/Finke 001 (520) 289-0700 -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+loren=mayhews...@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+loren=mayhews...@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of bkhor...@yahoo.com Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 5:15 AM To: The Horn List; lewho...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Rare horn piece to be performed Of course! Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: Bill Gross william.s.gr...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 06:05:30 To: lewho...@yahoo.com; 'The Horn List'horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Rare horn piece to be performed Good think Dayton doesn't have a hundred year old symphony as well. Then it would be even more confusion. When I moved back to Dallas in the mid 1980s the Mayor and City Council were touting Dallas as a world class city. Finally, one cynic among the city council members said, do you know when you are a world class city? When you quit claiming you are one. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of lewho...@yahoo.com Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 9:54 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Rare horn piece to be performed Bill, Not to start a pissing contest, but here in Michigan we think of the DSO as the nearly 100 year old World class Detroit Symphony Orchestra. Walt Lewis Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Bill Gross william.s.gr...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 20:56:52 To: lewho...@yahoo.com; 'The Horn List'horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Rare horn piece to be performed Dallas, of course. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of lewho...@yahoo.com Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 8:50 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Rare horn piece to be performed Would that be the Dallas Symphony or the Detroit Symphony? A number of years ago Karl Pituch gave tickets to lurking list member Bob Losin. He shared with me and John Kowalchuk. It was a very good performance. Walt Lewis Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: William Gross william.s.gr...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 14:10:51 To: The Horn Listhorn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Rare horn piece to be performed Well not sure how you categorize rare. It was done, rather well IMHO, by the DSO last spring. On 4/17/09, Natasha Stehr natasha.st...@oae.co.uk wrote: Dear all, Just thought you might be interested to hear about this concert coming up in London, featuring Schumann's Konzertstück for four horns and orchestra: Romantic connections Wednesday 20 May 2009, 7:00pm Queen Elizabeth Hall Bennett The Naiades Overture, Op.15 Schumann Konzertstück for four horns and orchestra, Op.86 Mendelssohn Symphony No.3 in A minor, Scottish Robin Ticciati conductor Horn soloists of the OAE TICKETS 0871 663 2597 www.southbankcentre.co.uk/oae Natasha Stehr Marketing Officer Orchestra of the Age of Enlightenment Kings Place 90 York Way London N1 9AG 020 7239 9374 www.oae.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bkhorn33%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Hornplayer.net survey
I think I can respond to this. I am a Finke rep and I also play a Brendan triple as my main axe. It is true that Finke updated the composition used in the valve rotors to a more stable and less temperature sensitive material. Around 2003-2004, they also upgraded to a much improved ball bearing linkage system and refined their valve manufacturing process the result of which was/is that the rotors are centered in the casing with very great accuracy and consistency and the linkages are quiet and require no maintenance or adjustment other than regular linkage lubrication (I recommend and use Hetman # 13, but Finke also sells their own). As far as I am aware, all Finke horns I've sold and delivered since then have had no problems with valves. Prior to these improvements, I had to often repair valves before I could deliver the horn and I had to constantly adjust the linkages for correct operation. Sincerely, Loren lo...@mayhews.us 001 (520) 289-0700 That's the guy (I hope you chime in!). Does that mean you had an older (1990's) Finke? Johannes told me that they discovered the hard way that his old composite would break down under certain conditions, so in the early 2000s, when he found a more stable material, he retrofited any horn that needed to change (many of them for free). Has anyone had a problem with the valves on a horn that is less than 10 years old? ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Oil
Jay admits, Instead of inserting oil through the valve slides I put the oil in the leadpipe and then rotate the horn to get the oil to travel to the rotors. Don't try this unless you know your horn is spiffy clean inside; otherwise you could end up with unwanted particles in your valves and who knows what problems. Loren lo...@mayhews.us 001 (520) 289-0700 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Slide Grease
You may be using too much rotary oil. Is that because your valves are sticking? They may need to be lapped. Loren Mayhew, Owner Computer Intelligence LLC, dba CI Music c...@mayhews.us www.mayhews.us/CI/Finke 001 (520) 289-0700 -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+loren=mayhews...@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+loren=mayhews...@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of mkolnsb...@cs.com Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 4:20 PM To: Horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Slide Grease Any suggestions for a long lasting slide grease.? I have tried gun grease; Selmer Slide/Cork Grease; GOO Tuning valve slide lube; Schilke Slide Grease w lanolin; all Hetman types; STP. Nothing lasts more than a week w the Holton Rotary valve oil I use. Thanks, Mark Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Slide Grease
Hetman #7 slide gel lasts a long time and does not change chemical properties or tarnish the slides. I sell, but have never used Hetman #8 slide grease so I can't comment on it. Loren Mayhew, Owner Computer Intelligence LLC, dba CI Music c...@mayhews.us www.mayhews.us/CI/Finke 001 (520) 289-0700 -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+loren=mayhews...@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+loren=mayhews...@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Reicher, Tom Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 4:35 PM To: The Horn List Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Slide Grease I have had the same experience but have always concluded that anything that lasted longer would have undesirable properties that would gum up the valves. A petroleum chemist needs to advise us all, or perhaps the solution is to have some sort of permanent coatings on slides and receivers so that slide grease would not be necessary. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+treicher=cooley@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+treicher=cooley@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of mkolnsb...@cs.com Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 4:20 PM To: Horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Slide Grease Any suggestions for a long lasting slide grease.? I have tried gun grease; Selmer Slide/Cork Grease; GOO Tuning valve slide lube; Schilke Slide Grease w lanolin; all Hetman types; STP. Nothing lasts more than a week w the Holton Rotary valve oil I use. Thanks, Mark Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/treicher%40cooley.com This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. If you are the intended recipient, please be advised that the content of this message is subject to access, review and disclosure by the sender's Email System Administrator. IRS Circular 230 disclosure: To ensure compliance with requirements imposed by the IRS, we inform you that any U.S. federal tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachment) is not intended or written by us to be used, and cannot be used, (i) by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) for promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] bass clef
I prefer new notation, but it doesn't really matter which just as long as there is some way to figure out which you are using. It would have been very helpful if the old composers had marked their horn parts with either old notation or new notation. Loren Mayhew lo...@mayhews.us 001 (520) 289-0700 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] IHS Website
When opening the IHS website this morning, hornsociety.org, all that shows is a blank white page. Loren Mayhew mailto:lo...@mayhews.us lo...@mayhews.us 001 (520) 289-0700 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] IHS Website.
It is magically working now! Loren Mayhew mailto:lo...@mayhews.us lo...@mayhews.us 001 (520) 289-0700 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Folding horn stands
Hi Leslie: Because of where you put your stand, I see your point about the AM stand, especially if you have a cat! However, the one you bought will not fit in the MB7 case as mine does. I only use it on the floor; if the horn does get dumped, I don't want it falling any distance. Cheers and happy holidays, Loren Mayhew, Owner Computer Intelligence LLC, dba CI Music c...@mayhews.us www.mayhews.us/CI/Finke 001 (520) 289-0700 -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+loren=mayhews...@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+loren=mayhews...@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Leslie Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 12:59 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Folding horn stands I actually purchased the stand you are considering but decided against using it once I spotted this one: http://www.samash.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product__-1_10052_10002_-499 87009?AffiliateID=340cm_mmc=TrafficLeader-_-Portals-_-ShoppingCom-_-90638 I like this because of its simplicity; I also like it because it seems sturdier than the other variety, i.e., more of the surface area of the stand sits on the floor/hard surface. The other one proved precarious because I was placing it on top of a wooden music cabinet that was barely larger than the stand and I worried about it getting dislodged and my horn falling off. I also think the other one looks so...transformer like (those toys that used to transform into things). Just seems so macho, so overkill. But that's just me! Good luck, Leslie ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] French Horn Stands
Steve, This is similar to a folding guitar stand you can buy at American Music for around $14.95, which works perfectly for holding a French horn (I use it to hold my Finke triple) and it folds up flat so I can easily carry it in my MB7 horn case along with the folding music stand. It is convenient for some rehearsals to have a horn stand available. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+loren=mayhews...@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+loren=mayhews...@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Steve Freides Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 12:14 PM To: 'The Horn List' Subject: [Hornlist] French Horn Stands I'm considering the purchase of one of these: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=350140758711 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Music Dictionary Recommendation
Elson's Pocket Music Dictionary Loren Mayhew, Owner Computer Intelligence LLC, dba CI Music [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mayhews.us/CI/Finke 001 (520) 289-0700 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William Gross Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 11:55 AM To: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] Music Dictionary Recommendation Any one care to recommend a reference book I could haul a long to rehearsals. Something that would be useful in figuring out more obscure performance notations, etc. Something that I could conveniently toss in my kit bag to have handy just in case. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Re:valve casings
Hey Ken, better not sell one of these to Prof. Gestopfmitscheist! Loren [EMAIL PROTECTED] 001 (520) 289-0700 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kenneth Pope Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 11:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] memphis. edu Subject: [Hornlist] Re:valve casings Dawn wanted to know why Geyer wrap horns are more prone to valve casing accidents. The majority of the weight of the valve section on a Geyer Wrap horn is born by the tube tube that enters the 1st valve casing at the top, and the corresponding tube on the change valve. When the horn is dropped or jarred the valve casing will move, and either the soldering will break, or in a worst case scenario the ports push into the valve casing. I would NOT consider this a factor when buying a horn rather, just don't drop it! Sincerely Ken 'Just put your lips together and Blow' Pope Instrument Repair 80 Wenham St. Jamaica Plain, MA 02130 (617)522-0532 http://www.poperepair.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] How to convince others
Forget it. FF might be possible with a machine, but is definitely not humanly possible. Even if it were humanly possible, which it isn't, you might convince someone once, but they would never listen to you again, because they would be permanently deaf. FFF is about as loud as you can play; my measurements have determined that the limit of this human's capacity on a French horn as in the range 103-120 decibels no matter how hard he blows. Caveat, I have never measured the decibels of a wife trying to get her husband to help around the house! Loren Mayhew, Owner Computer Intelligence LLC, dba CI Music [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mayhews.us/CI/Finke 001 (520) 289-0700 Hey all, I was wondering if anyone had any advice on how to convince people. that FF is a sometimes dynamic -- Mathew James ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] How to convince others
Greg's suggestion is right on. The horn can sound pretty gross and ugly up close, but quite beautiful in the audience. It is important to practice both loud and soft extremes regularly so you can 1) play the dynamics and 2) develop a good sound at those extremes and get familiar with the required air support. Some people are surprised to learn that good soft playing actually requires a LOT of a air support. Yes, there is a composer who notate something like the FF, but I don't remember the piece either. Many amateur groups stick to the mezzo range no matter what; some try to blow their innards out when they get to FF and FFF passages primarily because their mezzo-whatever and p dynamics are too loud to start with. While my claim that FF+ is impossible, a super soft ppp definitely is possible, but it takes a bit of practice to achieve it. It is possible to play a note so softly that you have to hold your ear only a few inches from the bell to hear it. Being able to do long tones from ppp to FFF and back to ppp is not easy, but it is achievable. It is also very good exercise for developing and conditioning your embouchure and enables one to perform certain soft dynamics with good on-time entrances in consonance with the composer's aricular conception. If anyone has had the good fortune to listen to Dr. Revelli's concert bands, especially the famous Russian Tour Band, you will hear a 100 member group able to produce a whisper quiet, almost inaudible sound that will have your ears reaching for the first row and a molto fortissimo that will blow you out of your chair (all without the aid of electronic amplifiers) and the sound quality of both extremes was something many conductors, even today, can only dream of achieving with their ensembles. I don't mean to imply that no one can do it, but it certainly seems to be the exception. We learned to do it because we had to or else risk getting our heads chopped off. Loren [EMAIL PROTECTED] 001 (520) 289-0700 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Campbell Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 8:31 AM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] How to convince others Mathew James wrote: Hey all, I was wondering if anyone had any advice on how to convince people. that FF is a sometimes dynamic I think your question really is how can you convince a student (or someone who mostly plays as an amateur) to learn the wide quality dynamic range actually required in the professional world? The important word is quality. A lot of people can play loud, but it sounds terrible. Same on the soft end. It's a lot easier to sound good at mezzo-something. One way to show the loud end of the dynamic range would be to invite them to sit in on a professional rehearsal of a large, loud orchestral piece. If there is seating behind the horn section, even better. Then they can attend the performance from the audience side and see how that kind of playing actually creates appropriate balance in certain situations. Greg ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Re: Flutter-tonguing
I learned to flutter tongue while preparing for our Russian Tour. A linguist taught me how to roll the Rs so I could pronounce some of the Russian sounds. From there, it was easy to flutter tongue. I'm convinced anyone can learn to flutter tongue unless they are determined to prove to you they can't do it. At least the way I do it. Simply try to hold the front part of your tongue against the roof of your mouth with the right amount of light pressure and blow. The tongue flutters. It takes a little practice, but it is really quite simple. Thant being said, nobody has been able to teach me to curl my tongue. Can't do it. No way. Nor can I wiggle my ears, but my dad can. Loren [EMAIL PROTECTED] 001 (520) 289-0700 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Schreckengost Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 10:31 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Re: Flutter-tonguing I'm one of those who entered college thinking that I could never flutter-tongue. Fortunately, we played Karel Husa's Music for Prague my first semester. After six weeks of struggling to do the numerous flutter tongued passages, it happened, and I've been able to flutter tongue ever since. John Schreckengost Chicago, IL ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] blue?
Sunoco oil is or used to be blue when I grew up. Most other oil is either a reddish or yellowish color. I'm not sure, but I thought it came from Pennsylavnia. Loren Mayhew [EMAIL PROTECTED] 001 (520) 289-0700 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn McCandless Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 10:39 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] blue? If Blue Juice is a petroleum product, where does the blue color come from?? I grew up around Titusville Oil City where Pennzoil, Wolf's Head, Amily, and some other oils were abundant and originally manufactured before being bought out by other states (and countries at this point). I'm over 1/2 century old and have NEVER seen oil products that are naturally blue. Do they use food coloring? If so, is it a natural dirivative or synthetic coloring?? As to the trumpet player, I did say I used Blue Juice on the trumpets when I played them and they were okay. I just prefer not to use it at all now that I've seen what can happen to it when it is old and still in the bottle. Again, it was the Blue Juice itself that was left in the trunk lost not the horn itself. This persons' horn is always in transit back and forth to work because they are forced to go to practices and concerts right from their job. So, this horn spends a lot of time in the trunk of their car out of necessity. NOT forgetfulness! There are outside concerts where a lot of us brass players will leave the cases for the instruments in their cars and walk to the park with just the instrument. I'm assuming that during one of these occasions the Blue Juice unknowingly fell out of the case and rolled underneath stuff in the car trunk. DMM ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Why do we miss???
For me, the approach to playing the horn (more) accurately is more a mental exercise than physical. John is correct in that you have to have the correct pitch in thought before you can hope to play it through the horn. The horn is basically a singing instrument. It is not a Halloween noise maker that you just blow and out comes the note. A mental trick that helps me may help someone else. When playing the extremes, upper or lower register, mentally approach the note from above rather than from beneath. In the upper register this helps me play with more confidence because I am not trying to reach up to the note and in the lower register it helps me to play the notes in tune because my tendency is to want to play low notes flat. Loren [EMAIL PROTECTED] 001 (520) 289-0700 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 12:57 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Why do we miss??? Also Quoting Valerie WELLS: Why do we miss so much? Because the horn is a beast to control that's why! If your muscles are not fatigued, when you approach playing a tone, you hear it in your head, and like you are going to sing, you play the tone. If your horn is in tune with the tone you are trying to produce, you will not miss the note. Richard Burdick ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] NY Times horn feature
Not so for baseball. You can miss 7 out of 10 times and still earn $1,000,000 per year. Don't try that with your horn though. Loren [EMAIL PROTECTED] 001 (520) 289-0700 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 12:21 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] NY Times horn feature Those that miss in sports usually lose. -William ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Re: wasted year
Count your blessings. What you have is a double horn lying in Bb instead of F. This is quite normal outside of the USA and it has some nice advantages later on if you should upgrade to a triple horn because you can take maximum advantage of the triple if the double side is lying in Bb vs. F. So by learning this way now you have potentially eliminated a learning curve in the future. The other advantage, as you have already discovered, is that most players cannot borrow your horn. Loren Mayhew [EMAIL PROTECTED] 001 (520) 289-0700 The horn I got after moving on from the school horn was a mechanical-linkages instrument, which was MADE 'reverse thumbvalve', i.e. you put the thumb DOWN to access/activate the F side. By the time I moved onto a professional instrument, I was 'stuck with' the way I'd learnt. Occasional attempts to go back to the usually-strung thumb valve haven't been successful, so I've just learnt to love with it. It's actually pretty useful for playing on the march - I seldom have to play anything down in the F-side range, so I can just support the instrument. Only problem is if anyone needs to borrow my instrument, without enough time for a quick re-string! FHP ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] CI Music Website updates
I have updated my website. The address has changed and there are new prices for Marcus Bona horn cases. http://www.mayhews.us/CI/Music/MB.htm Loren Mayhew [EMAIL PROTECTED] 001 (520) 289-0700 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] low horn/ bass cleff
OK, this reminds me of my Dad's office. He hands a sign at the door when he is out; it says Bach soon; Offenbach sooner. Loren Mayhew [EMAIL PROTECTED] 001 (520) 289-0700 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan West Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 3:49 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] low horn/ bass cleff So I take it you can hit all those wolf notes? Paxmaha well it sounds more like a dog Bach'ing. Reminds me of about the worst pun in musical history. Bach, and the world Bachs with you. Offenbach, and you Barcarolle. Regards Jonathan West ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] An unusual response
Trombones, Baritones, Euphonium, tubas and their siblings have large mouthpieces. In order to play them, you have to free buzz the notes because you can't use the rim to compensate for weak lip muscles as you can on the smaller horn and trumpet mouthpieces. This makes you lips stronger. When you go back to the horn, you can play with less pressure because your lip muscles vibrate better and are now stronger which has the effect of not cutting off the blood circulation to your lips so they have more endurance. At least that is my experience. Loren Mayhew [EMAIL PROTECTED] 001 (520) 289-0700 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Roberts-James Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 10:39 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] An unusual response In order to clear the room of flies and better understand its mysteries, I have recently taken up the trombone. A most surprising response, I find that after a short trombone session, my horn playing is significantly improved. My tone is better, my high notes are clearer. This puzzles me. But as I'm only a Beginner, no change to the number of flies. Any comments? (Even from Cabbage!) John Roberts-James Horn Student http://www.musicsolo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Blitz cloth for unlacquered brass?
Even better is MAAS brass polish; it is not as abrasive as Simichrome. You can find it on the internet. Loren Mayhew, Owner Computer Intelligence LLC, dba CI Music [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mayhews.us/CI/Finke 001 (520) 289-0700 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 4:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Blitz cloth for unlacquered brass? You can get Blitz metal polishing cloths at practically any music store. I recommend Simichrome, though, if you're doing extensive polishing. Ken Pope sells it. Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited -Original Message- From: Otto Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Mon, 19 May 2008 10:37 am Subject: [Hornlist] Blitz cloth for unlacquered brass? Hi everyone I need a tip on polishing up an un lacquered horn. Anyone know where I can get what they used to call a blitz cloth that works? I use Brasso for extreme cases, but there must be something else out there in this day and age. Incidently, someone turned me on to Hetman ultra slide grease no 9 for your tuning slides, will hold and seal even the loosest slide- stickeyer than pizza! Regards to all- Otto Henry ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/brassartsunlim%40aol.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Desert Island Mozart
Paring favorites down to just 5 is really hard; there is so much really good stuff available now. Mine is similar to Walt's: 1. Kopprasch 2. Pottag 335 3. Bach Cello Suites 4. Maxime Aphonse 5. My warm up routines (they're not published) Loren Mayhew [EMAIL PROTECTED] 001 (520) 289-0700 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Counting rests
A trick I use, to avoid confusing the measure count with the beat count is to only count the bars until about 3-4 bars before my entrance then I count the beats of the measure and subdivide if needed to get my thought into the rhythm of my entrance. Loren Mayhew [EMAIL PROTECTED] 001 (520) 289-0700 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] stopped notes
Hand stopped notes below middle c can be a challenge. It depends on the horn and the hand and they take extra practice to make them sound right. For me, I have found that if I curl my thumb in so that my hand forms a little leak instead of a complete seal, then those stopped notes come out more easily. You may also consider using a good stop mute (not a Crown) in that range. Loren Mayhew, Owner Computer Intelligence LLC, dba CI Music [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mayhews.us/CI/Finke 001 (520) 289-0700 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Campbell Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 10:30 AM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] stopped notes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can stop notes down to c# just below the staff. But further down is trouble. Is it just me, or is everybody allowed to stick in mute at that point? Stopped notes lower than that get difficult for a lot of people. The size of your hand affects the difficulty. It's a good idea to practice your stopping technique with the hand as low as possible, just so it would sound passable in case you play something where using the brass stopping mute is impossible. I think a lot of players wouldn't hesitate to use the brass stopping mute for notes around middle c and below. (Some players wouldn't hesitate using the stop mute for a stopped note in any register!) Greg ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] stopped notes
Hand stopped notes below middle c can be a challenge. It depends on the horn and the hand and they take extra practice to make them sound right. For me, I have found that if I curl my thumb in so that my hand forms a little leak instead of a complete seal, then those stopped notes come out more easily. You may also consider using a good stop mute (not a Crown) in that range. Loren Mayhew, Owner Computer Intelligence LLC, dba CI Music [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mayhews.us/CI/Finke 001 (520) 289-0700 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Campbell Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 10:30 AM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] stopped notes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can stop notes down to c# just below the staff. But further down is trouble. Is it just me, or is everybody allowed to stick in mute at that point? Stopped notes lower than that get difficult for a lot of people. The size of your hand affects the difficulty. It's a good idea to practice your stopping technique with the hand as low as possible, just so it would sound passable in case you play something where using the brass stopping mute is impossible. I think a lot of players wouldn't hesitate to use the brass stopping mute for notes around middle c and below. (Some players wouldn't hesitate using the stop mute for a stopped note in any register!) Greg ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] UnRaveled Redux
I am probably not going to be liked for this post, but I think it needs saying nevertheless. A word to the wise. The post about the dustup with the conductor got me to thinking about how we handle our relationships. Some people need a great deal of help in keeping relations peaceful and productive; most of us need a little help at least occasionally. Arrogance is counterproductive, wasteful, unintelligent (stupid) and destructive When we encounter it, our response should focus on healing or at least ameliorating arrogance, not exacerbating it. When we respond with love, intelligence, kindness and patience, the situation can at least be kept to the tolerable level of decency. When we respond in like kind with arrogance of our own, the battle lines are drawn and the consequences are not pleasant for all within the sphere of this influence - indeed such war can lead to unintended and possibly illegal actions and even violence as the war takes on a life of its own. When we encounter such negativity, we (as horn players are a higher class of exceptionally talented, honest and ethical people) should view it as an opportunity to show that love and intelligence are far more effective in accomplishing good than negativity is in accomplishing bad. Phil Farkas set the example we hornists can follow. Someone else certainly can relate this story better than I, but here is the gist of it. After he left Chicago, he was on tour with the St. Louis Symphony (I believe) as a floater. During one of the performances, the 1st horn was supposed to play a solo at a difficult-to-count entrance that really needed a cue from the conductor which he didn't get. He missed his entrance and he was furious at the conductor. Ready to tear him apart afterwards. Mr. Farkas grabbed him and told him something along the lines of, Let it go. Tomorrow you will get a cue you can't miss. The next night, he get a nice big cue with a big smile on the conductor's face. Love is the answer. Loren Mayhew mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 001 (520) 289-0700 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Finke price update
Better news! The upcoming Finke price increase I announced last week has been adjusted downward. It is now projected to be around $300, not the $1,000 I reported last. In the USA, either Bob Osmund or I will be happy to assist you in placing your order for a new Finke horn. Sincerely, Loren Mayhew, Owner Computer Intelligence LLC, dba CI Music [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mayhews.us/CI/Finke 001 (520) 289-0700 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Finke Horns
Listers, If you are contemplating purchasing a new Finke horn, now would be a good time to order it. I have just been informed that soon there will be another round of price increases in the order of $1,000 due to the falling US dollar. Orders placed now will be billed at current prices. Sincerely, Loren Mayhew, Owner Computer Intelligence LLC, dba CI Music [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mayhews.us/CI/Finke 001 (520) 289-0700 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Insuring a horn during shipping
In interesting aside in this discussion is DHL, now that you mention it. DHL is actually an arm of the German postal service. So when you ship via DHL or through a German post office the package is tracked internationally. I think it is kind of clever that one of the primary shippers in the US is actually another country's postal service. The US Postal Service hasn't caught on to this trick yet; I guess we are too busy fighting Bush's wars to be creative. Loren Mayhew, Owner Computer Intelligence LLC, dba CI Music [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mayhews.us/CI/Finke 001 (520) 289-0700 When I sent a package to Ukraine recently I was told that there is NO tracking or registered mail beyond the US offered by any service. DHL may be different but costs are outrageous. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Insuring a horn during shipping
John is correct. I ship Finke horns by registered US mail exclusively. It is way cheaper than any of the private carriers, it is secure (the horn is kept locked from origin to destination), it is fast (3 days max to go cross country in most instances) and they don't just leave it on your front porch if you aren't home. In other words, the horn is handled very carefully by the USPS, which, as we've heard in this list not long ago, may not be the case with UPS. My advice is: don't take the first S out of USPS. Loren Mayhew [EMAIL PROTECTED] 001 (520) 289-0700 I would bet there's a deductible that's far greater than the cost of shipping by registered mail, which is the ONLY way to ship anything of value. The cost of registered mail on a $5000 package is less than $20 on top of the postage. If any externally evident damage occurs anywhere within the shipping chain, the source of it is traceable to a person responsible for it. John Baumgart -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carlisle Landel Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 1:35 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Insuring a horn during shipping Just a point of clarification. Your mileage will vary by insurance company. Here in the US, some companies will insure your horn as part of your standard homeowner's or renter's policy, and others will require a separate rider on the policy for musical instruments, in which case you will need to have your horn appraised to establish its value. Also, there is usually a deductible associated with such policies, that is, there is some value (usually $250 or $500) that is not covered against loss. Finally, too many claims for loss against your homeowners policy will, of course, result in an increase in your rates. Carlisle On Jan 3, 2008, at 2:21 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Valerie, I'm curious - do you mean insured against loss/theft, or against damage as well? Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited -Original Message- From: Valerie WELLS [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn1 list horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 4:20 pm Subject: [Hornlist] Insuring a horn during shipping I called my insurance company (USAA) and found out that my horns are insured (as personal valuable property) against damage or theft while being shipped anywhere worldwide as long as I ship w/ a company that supplies tracking information. This sure cuts back on the cost of shipping. ~~Valerie ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/ options/horn/brassartsunlim%40aol.com __ __ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http:// webmail.aol.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/ options/horn/clandel%40roadrunner.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/john.baumgart%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] RE: American Horn Sound
And don't forget the Puget Sound to which a Finke horn contributes. Loren Mayhew, Owner Computer Intelligence LLC, dba CI Music [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mayhews.us/CI/Finke 001 (520) 289-0700 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 11:42 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] RE: American Horn Sound Someone wondered with this discussion of the different types of the American sound What school would you say is the true sound that represents that American Horn Sound? *** I would vote for the school of Kendall Betts, the Roger Clemens of the horn, though KB achieved his hall-of-fame results without getting injected in the butt with steroids. I still remember the sound he got throwing his horn across the hall at the IHS Workshop in Eugene, OR. To me, that represents the very apex of the American horn sound, though not, of course, the apex of the instrument's trajectory. *** *** Then Paul M wrote This is a big country and we have several great sounds. (Whatever floats your boat!) * Hey Paul, my favorite is the Long Island Sound. gotta go, Cabbage ** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] AJ Pelletier
Most assuredly you refer to Andrew who is the Assistant Horn Professor at Bowling Green State University. He and his loving wife are both awesome people professionally and personally. Loren Mayhew, Owner Computer Intelligence LLC, dba CI Music [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mayhews.us/CI/Finke 001 (520) 289-0700 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Dutton Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 11:31 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] AJ Pelletier So just out of sheer curiosity, does anyone have any info on who A.J. Pelletier was? The only thing I can track down is he played in the first part of the 20th C with Detroit and Cleveland. The Jack Attack! ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Reflector Design
I am the someone! I will look for my write up on this and re-post it when I can. You might also find it in the archives. Loren Mayhew [EMAIL PROTECTED] 001 (520) 289-0700 Good afternoon List, Several years ago, I posted an inquiry requesting a good design for reflectors to place behind the horn section for outdoor performances. Someone sent me an excellent design that incorporated different size baffles and chambers within a box placed behind each player. I finally have an opportunity to use the design but I seem to have lost it. Does anyone on the list have this or any other good ideas for reflectors? Thanks for the help. Rick ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Re: Mute problem
Personalized mutes are expressions of your individual beauty; but why black? It is so Victorian (mournful) and besides, black is not even a color. This propensity for black for formal use has its source in Prince Albert's premature death in 1861. Prior to that life was much more colorful colorful; but Queen Victoria never overcame her mourning for Albert and ordered just about everything in England to be black which order lasted until her death. By then, black had stuck. That is why so much decorative wrought iron is black, many doors were painted black (Dublin is an exception) and formal attire became black. Somehow this even filtered to a large degree to the United States probably in sympathy because of our country's English roots. Loren Mayhew [EMAIL PROTECTED] 001 (520) 289-0700 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 9:35 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Mute problem Graham, et al., It's a pleasure to be of assistance. I'm glad you painted your mute. Some people would be taken aback to find out how many professional players are still playing their old red whites tricked out with black paint and a wrist loop, just as you have done. (Hint: cover the corks with tape before spray painting!) Choice of mute is just as personal as choice of horn, and if you prefer your HB then so much the better for you. When you paint your old mute black you eliminate the critic who tends to listen with his eyes. Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited -Original Message- From: Graham Jarvis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 3:51 pm Subject: [Hornlist] Re: Mute problem Hi (yet again) personal record - three postings in one go) Dave Weiner (Brass Arts Unlimited) wrote: Ok, here's how to replace those Humes and Berg corks. I just wanted to report back with news of a successful operation. My good old B has never been so good. Dave's instructions were wonderful and I took the hance to spraypaint the mute with black paint (very stylish) and fit a loop to acilitate quick changes. we play the Beethoven Violin Concerto and a West Side tory pot pourri on Sunday and I need the mute for both. Thanks again, raham -- ag använder gratisversionen av SPAMfighter för privata användare. 1977 spam har blivit blockerade hittills. Betalande användare har inte detta meddelande i sin e-post. ämta gratis SPAMfighter här: http://www.spamfighter.com/lsv __ ost: horn@music.memphis.edu nsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/brassartsunlim%40aol.com Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Hetman usg grease 9
Yes, it is thick. It is like cork grease. Normally, #8 gel is much better for slides. Loren Mayhew \@() Finke Horns [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mayhews.us/CI/Finke 001 (520) 289-0700 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Syslo Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 7:08 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Hetman usg grease 9 I just got a tub of Hetman usg grease 9. When I opened it, the product is like tub and tile caulking. Is it supposed to be so thick and sticky? Mark Syslo ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] duplicate posts
I can echo all of Eldon's remarks. Yes in our busy lives we forget to give thanks where thanks are overdue. A big thank you to Dan for all he does to keep this list going. I think we don't half appreciate it because he makes the effort seem transparent. And thank you to Eldon for the gentle reminder to be thankful. Loren Mayhew \@() [EMAIL PROTECTED] 001 (520) 289-0700 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ellen Manthe Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 1:52 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] duplicate posts I would like to take a moment to thank and commend Dan Phillips for his excellent work maintaining the Memphis Hornlist. Not only is he a great horn player, but a very fine IT person as well. He is also a extra super nice person. I think I have taken this list too much for granted (and the other one too), so please accept my gratitude and that of each list member. Ellen Manthe On 9/8/07 1:23 PM, Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Further examination of the duplicate posts issue brought up a few days ago has revealed some difficult to diagnose hardware issues with the server that hosts this list. Duplicates of some posts have definitely been sent to some users. I apologize for the confusion! The server was down for testing this morning, so you're likely to see some posts trickling in out of order for the next few hours. I've moved the list to a backup machine for now, and the server will be replaced sometime next month. Sorry for the service disruption. Dan ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] The FIRST Memphis Horn List?
I know; I was there (really, I'm not making this up). The Memphis Horn List was moved to Cairo because of security concerns and not enough horn water. While in Cairo we also learned that it is possible to play the horn in Egypt, at least in Cairo, but only before 10 am as by 10 the horn water diminishes in proportion as the butt water increases gradually rendering it impossible to remain sitting in the chair. This makes playing the horn very slippery! So if you call after 10 am Cairo time you are not likely to get an answer as all the horn players have left by then. Loren Mayhew \@() Finke Horns [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mayhews.us/CI/Finke 001 (520) 289-0700 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bear Woodson Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 11:34 PM To: Horn List Cc: Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] The FIRST Memphis Horn List? I'm curious. Just what ever happened to the FIRST Memphis Horn List? No, I don't mean the one in Memphis Tennessee these days, I mean the one in Ancient Egypt. I'm thinking that maybe after constantly getting scalded on the hands and lips, from holding Horns in 130ºF(55ºC) desert sunshine, they might have disbanded. (Hey, someone's got to play music to build pyramids by?!?) I keep sending E-Mails to the websites of Menes, Hatshepsut, Seti I, Djoser and other important rulers, but they never answer back. When I call their Free Phone Number, all I get is a Camel Washing place. Can anyone straighten this out for me? Bear Woodson Composer in Tucson, Arizona, USA The 'X-Files' is just a stupid TV Fiction, written by juvenile, paranoid Humans. I know this, because the Space Aliens have told me so. - Bear Woodson, (2000) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] What the heck?
I'm getting at least two copies of every append from the Memphis list; this started a few months ago. Loren \@() [EMAIL PROTECTED] 001 (520) 289-0700 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 9:38 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] What the heck? Is it just me or are the list digests just repeating themselves? Literally. I was away for a month and am now going through about 28 digests and most of them are the same lists of movie soundtracks with awesome horn parts (it might be harder to list the movie scores with lousy horn parts, in my opinion - think about what the purpose of movie music has been traditionally) or why you should or shouldn't have an anxiety attack if you are asked to play the Mozart 29th. After more than a decade on the list, I am used to endless diatribes on carrying your horn on a plane or what horn or recording of a piece is the best, but I am not sure that this looping of the digest has a precedent. Am I the only one experiencing this unpleasant phenomenon? Peter Hirsch ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] RE: stopped horn CORRECTION!!!!!!!!
As far as I know, there's no such thing as a non-transposing stop mute. Valerie Oh yes there is and I have one. I'll sell it to you for $50; they cost around $100 new. It is in fact non-transposing, but it doesn't really sound like a stop mute should sound. Loren Mayhew \@() Finke Horns [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mayhews.us/CI/Finke 011 1 (520) 289-0700 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 9:38 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] RE: stopped horn CORRECTION In a message dated 8/12/2007 8:50:03 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As far as I know, there's no such thing as a non-transposing stop mute. Valerie Hi Valerie, Best Brass makes a non-transposing stop mute. It works . sort of. Has a different sound that may not match your section. Mine works well on some horns and not so well on others. Mine seems to work best in larger bell horns like the 8D. Less so on a small bell Berg. It works great in the register below middle C on some horns. I normally use a stop mute below middle C for both stopped and +. I have never been able to hand stop below middle C to the satisfaction of myself and those within earshot. As with any mute, I would suggest that it be tried high and low and on both F and Bb sides (with a tuner) before one buys. BTW, I got mine from BrassArts. Regards, Jerry in Kansas City ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] stopped horn
Reba, To expand on Milton's adive, a good stop mute to use for low register is the Thompson Edition stop mute; it also has the advantage of not being expensive. I've found the popular Crown stop mute works poorly in the low register. Loren \@() [EMAIL PROTECTED] 011 1 (520) 289-0700 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Flight case
Loren \@() [EMAIL PROTECTED] 011 1 (520) 289-0700 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Campbell Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 8:39 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Flight case Loren Mayhew wrote: The TE cases probably won't fit on smaller planes. The MB7 compact case should fit. I recently traveled on a smaller plane with my full size MB7 case and they allowed me to carry it on but it did not fit in overhead (it very nearly fit though). Has anyone seen or tried the new MB8? At 24x14x6.5 it's a bit wider than the MB7C (20x14x8) but thinner. Which dimension usually poses the biggest problem in small overhead compartments? Greg ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Flight case
In my experience, the case's height is usually the reason it fits or not in a plane's overhead so an MB8 should easily fit. The next most important dimension would be the width and the MB8 is the same as an MB7 at 14 so again it should fit. I don't think the 24 length is a problem but on smaller planes you might have to find an empty bin to put it in. On larger planes I can often put my MB7 case in endwise which makes more room for other passengers; I think the MB8's 24 would not fit that way however. Loren Mayhew \@() Finke Horns [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mayhews.us/CI/Finke 011 1 (520) 289-0700 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Campbell Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 8:39 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Flight case Loren Mayhew wrote: The TE cases probably won't fit on smaller planes. The MB7 compact case should fit. I recently traveled on a smaller plane with my full size MB7 case and they allowed me to carry it on but it did not fit in overhead (it very nearly fit though). Has anyone seen or tried the new MB8? At 24x14x6.5 it's a bit wider than the MB7C (20x14x8) but thinner. Which dimension usually poses the biggest problem in small overhead compartments? Greg ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Horns for Sale
I now have 3 horns for immediate tryout and purchase ― 1 new horn and 2 used horns. The new horn is a Finke Americus double, gold brass; view this horn at http://www.mayhews.us/CI/Finke/FHFIDAGFB.htm. A used Finke Americus triple, yellow brass horn (2003) in very good condition at a bargain price; view this horn at http://www.mayhews.us/CI/Finke/FHFITAYFBf.htm. A used Conn 6d double horn (the price has been reduced for quick sale; this would be a great starter horn for a junior or senior high school student); view this horn at http://www.mayhews.us/CI/Finke/Conn6d.htm. Loren Mayhew \@() Finke Horns [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mayhews.us/CI/Finke 011 1 (520) 289-0700 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Flight case
The TE cases probably won't fit on smaller planes. The MB7 compact case should fit. I recently traveled on a smaller plane with my full size MB7 case and they allowed me to carry it on but it did not fit in overhead (it very nearly fit though). On one plane the stewardess allowed me to put it in the closet (which is supposed to be for the airline employees only); on another plane I had to hold it in my lap. Loren Mayhew \@() Finke Horns [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mayhews.us/CI/Finke 011 1 (520) 289-0700 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Scarpelli Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 3:49 AM To: 'The Horn List' Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Flight case I flew to Montreal from Newark yesterday on an ERJ (1+2) I was lucky to fit my PC bag in the overhead. As I flew this plane before, I left my horn at home for this trip. Regards, Joe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Johnson, Timothy A Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 2:23 AM To: The Horn List Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Flight case Out of curiosity, do you have any experience with getting [the Thompson case] on smaller planes. Say, 2 and 2 or 2 and 1 configurations? - Tim Thompson No - but I'm usually too cheap to fly when I am traveling the short distances typically covered by such planes. I am quite certain, however, that it will not fit in those compartments. Timothy A. Johnson -Original Message- ... the Thompson case...easily fits in the overhead compartments of any larger aircraft... ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/joescarpelli%40earthlink.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] RE: use of vowels to shape mouth cavity
Oh, but I've heard singers who can use their vocal cords to make vocal chords! Tibetan monks for one. Loren Mayhew \@() [EMAIL PROTECTED] 011 1 (520) 289-0700 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 5:10 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] RE: use of vowels to shape mouth cavity That would be cords. I wouldn't have mentioned this except for the possible confusion between horn chords and vocal cords. Regards, Carlberg At 7:41 AM -0400 8/7/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: vocal chords mail2web.com - MicrosoftR Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Embouchure
A couple of other important points I forgot to make in my last append on this subject. 1a. It is important in your embouchure set that the fleshy part of your lips do the vibrating. This makes for a full rich-bodied sound with less effort simply because the fleshy parts vibrate easier than the outer skin parts. People with fat lips actually have an advantage in playing the horn. People with thin lips, like me, should curl the lips outward as necessary to expose the fleshy part to do the vibrating. For us thin lippers, this is an additional muscle toning that we must develop. 1b. The lips should be set on the mpc so that the lower lip takes most of the pressure leaving the upper lip to do most of the vibrating. This greatly helps endurance and control, especially in the upper registers. Loren Mayhew \@() Finke Horns mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mayhews.us/CI/Finke 011 1 (520) 289-0700 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Embouchure again
I need to make a correction, thanks to Paul Mansur. The word peddle should have been pedal. Loren Mayhew \@() Finke Horns mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mayhews.us/CI/Finke 011 1 (520) 289-0700 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Attention Craig
This message is for Craig. First I apologize for this append. I am trying to locate a certain Craig, from Ohio I believe, who left a message on my phone to buy some Hetman Lubricants. Unfortunately I accidentally erased the message before I could write down his telephone number to call him back. If you are the Craig who called me, please call again or send me an email. I have the lubricants in stock and can send them right away. Loren Mayhew \@() Finke Horns mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mayhews.us/CI/Finke 011 1 (520) 289-0700 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] RE: military musicians
The names of the 7th Army Symphony Orchestra hornists are listed on the http://7aso.org/ website. Loren Mayhew \@() Finke Horns [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mayhews.us/CI/Finke 011 1 (520) 289-0700 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Military instrument procurement
We have sold a Finke double to an Air Force Base. Loren Mayhew \@() Finke Horns [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mayhews.us/CI/Finke 011 1 (520) 289-0700 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] RE: military musicians
You're welcome, Milton. Don Button, also in the list and also deceased, was my first horn teacher both before and after his stint with the 7th. He was also the teacher of David Rogers. Both of us were members of another famous touring group, The 1961 University of Michigan Tour Band that was part of Presidents Eisenhower's and Kennedy's cultural exchange program to the Soviet Union, Eastern Europe and Middle East. That group also produced an exceptional quota of successful musicians and other professional people. The 7th ASO web page has inspired me to propose a similar memorial web page for our group. Currently the Bentley Historical Library on U of M's North campus has a large collection related to this tour and there is a book about the tour, Passport to Russia by Josephine Wunsch. Loren Mayhew \@() Finke Horns [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mayhews.us/CI/Finke 011 1 (520) 289-0700 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Milton Kicklighter Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 7:17 AM To: The Horn List Subject: RE: [Hornlist] RE: military musicians Thanks Loren, Thanks for the 7th Army Symphony web page. One of the deceased horn players, Larry Bush, was third horn in San Antonio when I arrived. He coached me for my audition. My first audition by the way. Milton Milton Kicklighter 4th horn Buffalo Phil --- Loren Mayhew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The names of the 7th Army Symphony Orchestra hornists are listed on the http://7aso.org/ website. Loren Mayhew \@() Finke Horns [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mayhews.us/CI/Finke 011 1 (520) 289-0700 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/kicklighgter%40yahoo.com 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] re: National Symphony and the year 1812
75 mm Howitzers stand out! Especially when they are positioned directly behind the horns and the horn players don't know they have been planted there! The experience is indescribable. Cheers, Loren Mayhew \@() Finke Horns [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mayhews.us/CI/Finke 011 1 (520) 289-0700 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] High Bb F23 revisited
Thomas Jefferson Loren Mayhew \@() Finke Horns [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mayhews.us/CI/Finke 011 1 (520) 289-0700 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Haflich Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 2:16 PM To: The Horn List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hornlist] High Bb F23 revisited From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] What famous person was it who said a man who always spelled a word the same way is lacking imagination? - Steve Mumford It was Marc Twayn. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] the matchstick trick and the acousticoil
Hmm. Ethel? Loren \@() [EMAIL PROTECTED] 011 1 (520) 289-0700 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hans Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 1:46 PM To: 'The Horn List' Subject: RE: [Hornlist] the matchstick trick and the acousticoil Some bad colleague put such into my Selmer change valve slide just before Don Carlo. The spiral slid into the valve creating a desaster, but I was lucky to get it out in time dueto the fact, that the change valve is a cross-valve, where one can see into the valve body when pulling this slide out. So I got the spiral out -. Just in time. If I find out who was it, I´m going to k... Him ! (hypothetical). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Herbert Foster Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 5:15 PM To: The Horn List Subject: RE: [Hornlist] the matchstick trick and the acousticoil You can get the effect of the Accousticoil for free by wrapping some thin insulated wire around a thick pencil. Make a loose spiral about 1 inch in length. I haven't tried an Accousticoil, but he wire spiral does have an effect. Herb Foster --- Carter, Jeffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have recently changed horns, and the one I purchased came with one in it. I can tell you that they do make a difference. I found out that there had been one placed in the first valve slide (Bb side) in order to secure the high Bb I would suppose (not that it needed it). I can't imagine any other reason. I had some fellow DMA students and my teacher listen to me in a very large and medium room, simulating recital and concert stages. The consensus was that the device seemed to deaden the sound (in the audience) while making the note seem more secure at the source. We then spent far too much time trying it in every possible location. It was extremely consistent. It always seemed to deaden the sound that the audience hears while making the note seem tighter. ALL THAT TO SAY. It could be great, it could really suck...depending on the horn and player. I personally didn't like it on my instrument, and to be honest, thought it played much better without the little plastic sleeve in there (esp the high Bb). But, it is only 35 or so dollars...worth a try if you are interested I would say. Jeff Carter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of joey horn guy Sent: Mon 6/4/2007 10:43 PM To: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] the matchstick trick and the acousticoil Speaking of the matchstick trick...I had a chance to try the 'acousticoil' several years back, and I have to admit it did seem to help center the notes and make some partials more secure. Any thoughts on this product? - No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/jeffrey.carte r%40ttu.ed u ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%4 0yahoo.com ___ You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_html.ht ml ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Finke in Michigan
Dear List: I am in southeastern Michigan for a few more days and then will be in the Traverse City area until June 14. I am accepting appointments to tryout a gold brass Finke Americus double and/or a gold brass Finke Brendan triple horn. If you wish to schedule an appointment please contact me off list either by email or phone given below. Loren Mayhew \@() Finke Horns mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mayhews.us/CI/Finke 011 1 (520) 289-0700 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Re: Tinnitus and Intonation
Every interval has a unique vibration; for most music there are only a small number of intervals, around 12. Once you learn the vibrations for each interval, then you can play them in tune in any octave. E.g. the vibration for a 3rd interval is the same no mater what octave it is in. Most of us hear these vibrations with our ears, but they can also be felt as our friend, Steve Repp, has learned. Learning to feel the vibrations in addition to hearing them is important. There are situations, such as playing the Overture of 1812 on a crowded stage, where that is the only way you can play the right notes at all, much less in tune. It is interesting to note that there is a minister, I think in the US South somewhere, who discovered the principle of vibrations and pioneered a new design for his new church so that the building, primarily the floor and seats, would carry the vibrations of the organ and choir. He did this because there were a few deaf people in his congregation and he wanted them to hear the music. A lot of new construction techniques had to be invented to make the building stable yet vibrate, but the design was successful and now the church is crowded with deaf people who at last have a way to enjoy a church service. Maybe someone on this list knows of this minister and his church and will enlighten us further. Loren Mayhew \@() Finke Horns [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mayhews.us/CI/Finke 011 1 (520) 289-0700 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] RE: Culture or Innate?
I will give a short opinion to this wonderful question.. I think all forms of music are Innate. [Loren] If this is true, and we would like to think it is, then there is a large group of people that are misusing the word music 'cause what they are calling music is not innate to me. Loren \@() [EMAIL PROTECTED] 011 1 (520) 289-0700 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Centering pitch
In Arizona, the notes move of their own accord. Really. I remember playing in an outdoor concert in which I was sight reading the part in question. As we approached a bar in which there was a dotted quarter note, the dot sauntered to the top of the page. We have little bugs the size of dots and notes here and they seem attracted to the white paper in the evening. Loren Mayhew \@() [EMAIL PROTECTED] 011 1 (520) 289-0700 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 11:10 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Centering pitch Hans P wondered Hello again, Evan, How do you move the notes away from their place ? *** Just swat them with a newspaper. Eventually, all you have to do is wave the newpaper, and the notes will go where they are supposed to. Of course, this modern on-line generation barely knows what a newpaper is, isn't that right, Hans? Gotta go, Cabage ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Edgy Sound
I used to play a Holton 281 and it was difficult to play loud without sounding brassy. My Finke horn plays with a very good sound even when loud. You might try changing the cup depth as Jerry suggested or a mouthpiece with a larger bore, especially if you are using lots of air as you should be. I use a #6 bore and this has made a world of difference for the better soundwise and also improved my intonation. Loren Mayhew \@() [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear List, I play on a Holton 281 (a Farkas horn with a rose brass screw bell) and I have a problem with the edgy sound. I am going to describe it as best I can, if something is unclear, let me know and I will try to clarify before someone gets angry (I realize that might take all the fun out of it). There is a point on the dynamic spectrum at which I can no longer play with a 'normal' tone. At this point, which isn't very loud, the sound gets edgy and I don't feel that I have much control over the tone quality. For some time now, I have tried without success to get this problem under control. I realize that this brassy, edgy sound can sometimes be desirable as an effect. However, the undesirable sound is produced whether I am trying to sound brassy or not. Is there a set of etudes for this kind of problem? I would appreciate any advice on the subject. Thanks in advance. William Foss Paul Ingraham's advice to young horn players: Find a good teacher. Practice diligently. Watch what you say to your colleagues. _ More photos, more messages, more storage-get 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-usocid=TXT_TAGHM_migratio n_HM_mini_2G_0507 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] OT: Cimbasso - a new instrument I learned of today
And to make this a little more interesting, the Italian cornet was originally a wooden instrument similar in shape to the oboe except it used a cornet mouthpiece instead of the oboe's double reed. One of these cornets is displayed in the Albert and Victoria Museum in London. How the cornet evolved into the brass instrument we now have is something I haven't researched yet. Loren \@() [EMAIL PROTECTED] 011 1 (520) 289-0700 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hans Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 11:06 AM To: 'The Horn List' Subject: RE: [Hornlist] OT: Cimbasso - a new instrument I learned of today Do you know, when a Cimbasso has to be used ? - Most operas by Giuseppe Verdi use the Cimbasso, played by the tuba player instead of his usual instrument. The trombones also use smaller bore Italian bones the trumpets play on cornet - unfair side effect for us but good for them in a bigger Verdi session: these instruments are regarded as extra instruments create extra pay cheques for the trumps ´n bones as well as for the tubaist while the horns get nothing extra. Well, we receive the tuba supplement pay all year round no matter if a single performance with the tuba or three complete Ring cycles. The principals did not get that, but we were called to replace the first tuba occasionally when ill leave required that. So we convinced them, that all year round pay would be better in case .. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Freides Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 3:41 PM To: 'The Horn List' Subject: [Hornlist] OT: Cimbasso - a new instrument I learned of today I was reminded of the phrase, Anyone with a soldering iron can create a new brass instrument when I found a picture of a Cimbasso. I confess to never having seen, or least never having noticed, a Cimbasso before. What instrument would normally cover a Cimbasso part if a Cimbasso was not available? Thanks. -S- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Finke horns for tryout and Conn 6d for sale.
Dear listers, I will be traveling to Michigan for the rest of May and the 1st half of June. My primary stay will be in the Traverse City area, but I expect to making trips to East Lansing and the Flint-Detroit corridor. I have a gold brass Brendan triple horn for tryout. There is also a gold brass Americus double for tryout and for sale which I can bring with me if there is an interest, otherwise I will leave it here in Tucson. If anyone has any interest in trying out a Finke horn please contact me off list so I can arrange my schedule to accommodate you. I also have an Elkhart Conn 6d for sale. Please check it out at http://www.mayhews.us/CI/Finke/Conn6d.htm if you are interested. Loren Mayhew \@() Finke Horns [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mayhews.us/CI/Finke 011 1 (520) 289-0700 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Used Elkhart Conn 6D for sale.
Please see this horn at http://www.mayhews.us/CI/Finke/Conn6d.htm for the details. Loren Mayhew \@() Finke Horns mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mayhews.us/CI/Finke 011 1 (520) 289-0700 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Etudes
I am getting ready to order some new etudes.. Any suggestions on what to get? http://www.mayhews.us/CI/Music/Sheetmusic.htm has a list of some of the ones requested by horn students hereabouts. Loren Mayhew \@() [EMAIL PROTECTED] 011 1 (520) 289-0700 ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] OT Munich snow
And also just for the record, last night we had the first snow of the millennium in Tucson, AZ. A whole 8 mm. It was beautiful. Loren \@() [EMAIL PROTECTED] 011 (520) 289-0700 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 2:59 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] OT Munich snow Just for the record, we have snow in Manchester tonight, the first of this winter. This was the first snow, but last week we had wind which closed Radcliffe Town Centre. The last time Radcliffe was closed some shops lost as much as £7 in revenue so the decision to close was not taken lightly. Apparently pieces of Radcliffe were falling from the sky. We were diverted passed ASDA. ASDA too was closed because part of the roof was coming off. Driving was treachorous - there were dustbins flying around like motorbikes and there were pieces of tree all over the place. In some places there were trees asleep. I sometime wonder if God really has chosen Radcliffe as his special place or whether it's just council hype. All the best, Lawrence lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Finke triple for sale
Dear Listers: I've just added a stock Finke Brendan yellow brass triple to Hornplayer.net and on my website. We need to move this horn so are offering it at a greatly reduced price. It is a new remanufactured horn perfect in every way and plays beautifully throughout the entire range. Please visit http://www.mayhews.us/CI/Finke/FHBTYB3903.htm for a full description. Loren Mayhew \@() Finke Horns [EMAIL PROTECTED] 011 (520) 289-0700 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Tucson Symphony Audition
The audition for Tucson Symphony Orchestra principal horn was won by Johanna Lundy. Loren \@() [EMAIL PROTECTED] +011 (520) 403-6897 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Gail Williams MP
Wilbert pines, I've been having some trouble for at least a year, but my control has gotten so bad the last couple of weeks that I'm thinking of changing back to tuba! At least I can control that. Actually, when the embouchure isn't working on the horn, playing the tuba or baritone/euphonium for awhile can work wonders on restoring your horn embouchure. That is my experience anyway. It tends to strengthen your lip muscles because you cannot lean on the rim to help you vibrate which is the trap we fall into while playing the horn. Basically playing tuba is more like free buzzing than playing the horn only you have more incentive to make the buzzing work because you are actually producing notes on a horn. That's my theory. Loren \@() [EMAIL PROTECTED] +011 (520) 403-6897 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] RE:a quick question about cleaning ..
Except when you arrive to rehearsal late (yeah, it happens sometimes despite our best intentions) and you go to screw on the bell and it makes this really loud grinding noise as you try to screw it on, completely interrupting the rehearsal, then you look for a way to lubricate the bell to keep it quiet. Loren \@() [EMAIL PROTECTED] +011 (520) 403-6897 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alon reuven Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 11:22 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] RE:a quick question about cleaning .. Hi all, In my opinion , considering the fact that the threads are not especially narrow and the problem of staining your shirt - it seems to me that oiling the screw bell bit is unnecessary . yours, Alon Reuven ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] NHR - orihon
I can make this even more horn related. Orihon is what happens when
balancing your horn on your lap while using both hands to replace the orihon
music on your stand as fast as possible and the horn slips off your lap onto
the floor. Dennis Houghton, Bob Osmun, Ken Pope, Jim Patterson et al love it
when this happens; fixing orihoned bells and horns is a good way to make a
living.
Loren
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Today's Word from A.W.A.D. is orihon.
This is horn-related in two tortured ways - first, the letters of the
word 'orihon' contain the word 'horn'.
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orihon (OR-ee-hon) noun
A book or manuscript folded like an accordion: a roll of paper inscribed
on one side only, folded backwards and forwards.
[From Japanese, ori (fold), + hon (book).]
Here's a picture of an orihon:
http://www2.odn.ne.jp/reliure/imgs3/k_orihon.jpg
The word origami is from the same root, from Japanese ori (fold) +
-gami, kami (paper), the art of paper folding that can coax a whole
menagerie from a few sheets of paper.
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The 2nd way that this word relates to horn is that on rare occasions, I
have seen the horn part of orchestral music folded in orihon fashion. I
remember an incident long ago when I had a fast page turn, and turned
the page too roughly so that the accordion trickled off the music stand
onto the floor, not unlike a Slinky.
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RE: [Hornlist] Re: Mozart
I had the good fortune to be coached by Barry Tuckwell on Mozart's 4th Horn Concerto. He told me that whenever he performed the 4th that is the only piece he'd play during that concert because it took so much to play it. Often he would perform more than one piece such as a Straus concerto and something else, but not when he performed the 4th. Loren \@() [EMAIL PROTECTED] +011 (520) 403-6897 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan West Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 2:57 AM To: The Horn List Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Re: Mozart I've learned this from my teachers: The older and more advanced you get, the harder Mozart is to play. Ain't that the case. I'm performing Mozart 4 with my local community orchestra in June, having thoroughly learned it during school years and college years. I'm finding that it is much harder now than it ever was then, even though I consider myself a much better player than I was as a student. As an aside, when I was a student, I never could get my head round what Strauss 2nd Horn Concerto was all about. I learned the notes did the phrasing I was told by my teacher, but I think I was simply too young to understand the piece. It's only recently, having heard quite a lot of Strauss over the years and having recently played the Sonatina no. 2 for winds Happy Workshop (another late Strauss piece) that I feel I could make a decent stab at Strauss 2. Regards Jonathan West ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] symphony update (Memphis Horn List)
Dear Bear: This sounds like a great work; it is good you are tackling it. There are enough good horn players right here in Tucson; we ought to be able to give it a reading when you are ready. Loren \@() [EMAIL PROTECTED] +011 (520) 403-6897 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bear Woodson Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 2:25 AM To: Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] symphony update (Memphis Horn List) Hello, Everyone. First I'd like to thank Mr. Steven Slaff, Chris Tedesco, Ms. Nancy Robitaille, and my old friend Dr. Karen McGale Fiehler, who wrote to me privately, and others of you, who answered on the Horn Lists, for the advice you gave in regards to Low Horn Trills and 6-Horn Scoring. Especially when Ms. Ms. Robitaille mentioned the word brassy, as that was the word I was groping to remember to use in that passage of LOUD, rowdy Trills in All 6 Horns individually (each on a different pitch) and in the Euphonium and Tuba! Here is an update on the new symphony that I am writing in the last 2 months. I'm already several pages beyond that Brass Trill Passage. I hope to make this huge symphony to be over an hour long. Most of the Main Themes from the First Movement have been in my ears for 25 years, or longer, but I am combining some of the New Fugal Techniques that I've Invented in the last 2 years. Here is the scoring: Woodwinds in 3's 6 Horns 3 Trumpets Euphonium Tuba 1 Timpanist (4 Timpani) 3 Percussionists Harp and Strings planned movements and timings: I Moderato (20 to 25 minutes) (21 1/2 min. done by April 8, 2006) II fast and jaunty (10 min.) IIIslow (15 to 20 min.) IVfast (15 min.) (planning at least an hour in length) A few composers have been writing melodies in Retrograde (backwards), in Inversion (upside-down), and in Retrograde-Inversion (both backwards and upside-down), since the Renaissance. Johannes Ockeghem (ca. 1410-1497) was the Renaissance Master who invented the Cancrizans Canon, which is when you overlap the Backwards Version of a melody with its own Original form, at the same time. Nowadays we'd call a Cancrizans Canon as a Retrograde Canon, but I'd be hard pressed to name any other famous composer who has done this in Non-12-Tone Harmony. However I've written several, and all in Chromatic Modal Harmony. In like fashion it is possible to write Inversion Canons for which Bach and Mozart wrote a few, and I've written many. I never did like, nor use 12- Tone Formulae, and have used Chromatic Modal Harmony for ALL of my music, including these kinds of Canons. I've also written many Retrograde-Inversion Canons, and even 6 of my Quadruple Directional Stretto Fugues (all 4 Directions of the Melody overlapping and harmonizing with itself, all at the same time) in various works. I did all of these Canons and 2 QDS Fugues in my Josquin Fantasy for Viola and Orchestra last year. Of the Main Themes in this First Movement, Two are introduced by one or more Horns! One is a Horn Call Motive that is usually 2 bars of 3/4, or one bar of 5/4. The other Main Theme is a Horn Melody in 8-bars of 3/4. Both melodies are ideas that I've had in my ears for over 25 years, and yet each harmonizes against its Original in Inversion, Retrograde and Retrograde- Inversion. Therefore in this Symphony I'm doing all of these kinds of Canons again and 2 more QDS Fugues in the end of this First Movement. I'm also trying to make it a type of Concerto for Orchestra, by giving Long Solos to EACH Wind Instrument, String Section and First Chair String Soloist in the 4 planned movements. I've already done most of these Soles in the First Movement, including passages for: Horns 1, 3 5 individually and together, Horns 2, 4 6 together, and all 6 Horns together, (plus all 6 Horns also have passages playing individual trills) I plan to give Solo Passages to Horns 2, 4 and 6, individually in the other movements, if not also by the end of this First Movement. (Every good player should have their moment in the spotlight!) Also, in defiance of the Classical Era Tradition of letting the First Violins HOG the Melody most of the time, I, like many composers since the Early 20th Century, AVOID giving the Lead Melody to the First Violins. The Lead Melody is more evenly divided throughout the orchestra, although I do let the First Violins usually remain as the Highest Voice in the String Choir, when the Strings are accompanying some other instrument. I hope people will like this symphony, when it's done. It's full of lyrical, noble, heroic Horn melodies that bring images of adventure and exploration to mind. The Horn is an instrument that I deeply admire. The tone ennobles and inspires me, and hopefully also the audience, when they hear
RE: [Hornlist] A good snake?
The Reka cleaning kit is the only one I've found that has a snake that cannot damage the interior of the horn. It consists of a sponge ball on the end of the plastic snake line which you pull through. More and more dealers are now carrying this kit and I sell it also. Loren Mayhew \@() Finke Horns [EMAIL PROTECTED] +011 (520) 403-6897 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 7:33 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] A good snake? Any suggestions for a good snake? The one that I have has a lot of exposed metal around the brushes. My horn gets a bath about every three months, and usually doesn't seem to need it. I brush my teeth before playing, oil often, and nothing but water when I play. Thanks, Phil Jacobs ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] student sized instruments
I once tested a Bessen student sized F horn for a young student; I thought it was better than all the other F student horns I tested, mostly Yamaha. The notes were well centered and intonation was very good. I would have been willing to play it in a concert. Loren \@() [EMAIL PROTECTED] +011 (520) 403-6897 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 1:02 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] student sized instruments If it's not something you'd care to play yourself, it would be totally irresponsible to put it into the hands of an inexperienced student. However, you seem to have one advantage over many teachers, who don't even seem to be able to recognize a decent instrument from a piece of crap. Perhaps the students who patronize such teachers aren't worth a better instrument. Hans' portrayal of 99% of students and teachers as bumbling incompetents is probably pretty close to accurate. We listers keep the list going because we enjoy aspiring to the one percent status. -Original Message- From: Mark Syslo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 19:16:52 -0500 Subject: [Hornlist] student sized instruments I've recently played the Holton student-sized F horn, and it doesn't play badly. It's not anything I'd want to play in a serious ensemble, but would certainly work for a young student. Very light, and a compact sound that is not very rich, but very horn like. Mark J. Syslo ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/billbamberg%40aol.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] The Finke high f valve
The mouthpipe piston valve that Finke uses greatly simplifies the problem of getting a triple or double descant horn to play in tune. In the Finke design, the valve is placed as close as possible to the mouthpiece shank to avoid any node interference on either the F/Bb double side or the f side. This design allows the f horn to be tuned independently of the F/Bb side instead of having to be a compromise between the f/Bb sides as in traditional triple design. As you noted, the other advantage is that you in fact have a very nearly true double horn and a separate f horn each with their unique tambers. In actual testing, most people don't really notice a playing difference between the double side of a Finke triple and an equivalent Finke double horn apart from the normal difference that exist between any two horns; occasionally someone will notice a slight difference, but I doubt it would be noticeable if the two horns weren't played side by side. Loren Mayhew \@() Finke Horns [EMAIL PROTECTED] +011 (520) 403-6897 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alon reuven Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 7:32 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] The Finke high f valve Hi all I have been wondering for quite a while about the Finke mouth pipe valve idea . At a first glance it seems like a revolutionary idea :the high f horn does not interfere with the double horn structure , and the chances are ,that the reaction of the instrument would resemble the kind of reaction double horns produce , plus the advantage of an high f module. Now - I found out that the idea of a mouth pipe valve has been patented by Veneklassen , back in the early 70 's (I read about it in hornplayer.net ). Is the Idea of a mouthpipe valve so bad ? If not - how come other makers did not try it? thanks, Alon ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Why not piston valves?
I would think with the extra height needed to design around vertical (piston) valves, the double and triple horns would become unwieldy and probably unacceptably heavy. Loren Mayhew \@() Finke Horns [EMAIL PROTECTED] +011 (520) 403-6897 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Freides Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 8:21 AM To: 'The Horn List' Subject: [Hornlist] Why not piston valves? This is, no doubt, the question of a novice and an amateur, but why do modern horns use rotor valves and not piston valves? Everything I have read suggests that piston valves are superior, and since similar valves are in use in other brass instruments, I wonder why they are not used in more horns? Are they that much more expensive, e.g., what would a typical, new, $3000 horn cost if it were made with piston valves instead of rotors? Thanks in advance. -S- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Horn retailer roundup
For that matter, so does Finke in Vloto-Exter, Germany. Loren Mayhew \@() Finke Horns [EMAIL PROTECTED] +011 (520) 232-2171 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 10:14 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Horn retailer roundup do you mean just shops in America? Paxman's in London have lots of horns. Cheers, Lawrence þaes ofereode - þisses swa maeg _http://lawrenceyates.co.uk_ (http://lawrenceyates.co.uk/) Dulcian Wind Quintet: _http://dulcianwind.co.uk_ (http://dulcianwind.co.uk/) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Bearings
Assuming there are no loose screws to be tightened and the rotors are properly seated with little or no vertical play (this adjustment is best done by a competent repair person), then the problem is probably just worn parts. You may be able to hold off the inevitable rebuild by using Hetman Classic bearing lubricant. Loren Mayhew \@() Finke Horns [EMAIL PROTECTED] (520) 403-6897 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alon reuven Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 6:35 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Bearings Dear all , My horn's bearings are extremely noisy . Any suggestions ? Alon ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Chicago Symphony in 1957
Norman Schueikert, Nancy Fako, somebody named Rudy and I think also Milan Yamcich were also shown as members of the CSO horn section during this period in a picture printed in Horn of Plenty, a book about Louis Stout's life. Loren \@() [EMAIL PROTECTED] (520) 403-6897 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 2:53 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Chicago Symphony in 1957 The CSO horns in 1957 were 1) Philip Farkas, 2) Clyde Wedgwood, 3) Wayne Barrington, 4)Joseph Mourek asst) Louis Stout. Cheers, Steven Ovitsky CSO youth concerts audience member in 1957. -- Original Message --- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:38:15 EST Subject: [Hornlist] Chicago Symphony in 1957 Last night while driving, I heard a really excellent program on NPR featuring the Chicago Symphony Brass section in a tribute to Bud Herseth. The final bit of the program was a really interesting performance of Tchaikovsky's 4th Symphony conducted by Fritz Reiner in 1957. Who were the hornists in the section at that time? Sarah Hogan 2nd Horn State of Mexico Symphony Orchestra ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/sotone%40cybermesa.com --- End of Original Message --- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Re: Conn vs. Yamaha vs. Hoyer, etc.
I agree with Orlando. I've played an old and new Hoyer side by side and the old model was not good, but the new one was a very nice playing horn. Loren \@() [EMAIL PROTECTED] (520) 403-6897 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pandolfi, Orlando Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 1:42 PM To: The Horn List Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Re: Conn vs. Yamaha vs. Hoyer, etc. That was my FIRST impression of the Hoyers when they first came out. The recent ones, however are FAR superior, as the company has listened very closely to the input of a number of young and older players alike. I am quite sure Gerhard Meinl, the new owner of the Hoyer company would love to get Kendall's input regarding the recent offerings of the 8D / Kruspe copy. And BTW, the 6800 series Hoyer is actually less expensive than the 668-II. Still, none are as in tune as our Lawson horns...agreed Mr. Betts? Orlando Pandolfi -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 2:52 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Re: Conn vs. Yamaha vs. Hoyer, etc. Given a choice, I'd take the Yamaha 668II. The best Kruspe Horner clone on the market today. The Hoyer is a good copy of the 8D but is just that, a copy. It has all the old faults most notably the intonation, especially in the upper register. The current Conn 8D is actually a King in Conn clothing. N ot much to rave about there. The 9D is also crap, IMHO, as just a funny hybrid done as a marketing gimmick. The 10D, actually a 6D wrapped up like a Geyer, is their best player now. The 11D is a funny hybrid, like the 9D. The Yamaha has a good scale and response, nice but not particularly distinctive sound, is well made and at a street price under the Conn or the Hoyer, a bargain to boot! Don't rule out the Holton Merkermatics, either, in this price range. I would consider those over the current Conns and Hoyers. KB ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/pandolfi%40deerfield.edu ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
FW: [Hornlist] Bonna Cases Suit
Bill opines, I've always felt these cases [Marcus Bona] overpriced, and the off shore competition seems to verify those feelings. A very significant factor in the price of Marcus Bona cases is the shipping cost from Brazil--it is very high. It would be to everyone's advantage if a more reasonably priced shipping method could be found that doesn't impact the delivery time significantly. There are other high quality horn case choices; Thompson Edition is an excellent choice at a moderate price. Nevertheless, the Marcus Bona designs have some unique advantages that make them desirable in certain situations. IMHO, if you have a requirement for those advantages they are well worth the price. I promote and sell both Thompson Edition and Marcus Bona cases. I personally use the Marcus Bona for two reasons, the unique design of my Finke triple horn does not fit in a TE case and the MB7 case holds everything I need for a rehearsal or practice session under one handle-and I mean everything. Triple horn, two bells, horn stand, music stand, Balu mute (and also a stop mute in a clip on bag [included with the case] if need be), tuner, metronome, two parts bags, two mouthpieces and of course, my music. And it still meets the airlines' overhead limitations for the mainline airplanes. There is a compact MB7 that is designed to fit in the overheads of regional airplanes--puddle jumpers as I call them; it doesn't hold all the above, but it still holds the horn, mouthpiece and a mute. I recently sold a wine leather MB7 case; it is the most beautiful horn case I've ever seen. Loren Mayhew \@() Finke Horns [EMAIL PROTECTED] (520) 403-6897 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] A Good Case
The msater of hron trshaings deos ofefr an iternsesting artalnetive. Styrafoom coelors are a vrey cost efficteve asnwer to those on a smlal begdut; they kepe your hron cool and they can be curshed to fit any size orvehaed bin. Loren \@() [EMAIL PROTECTED] (520) 403-6897 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 9:04 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] A Good Case Loren Triple-Threat Mayhew writes (and I am making the replyings to): I promote and sell both Thompson Edition and Marcus Bona cases. Now, I make the promotings of and WalMart, Target, K-Mart and others make the sellings of styrofoam coolers... I personally use the Marcus Bona for two reasons, the unique design of my Finke triple horn does not fit in a TE case and the MB7 case holds everything I need for a rehearsal or practice session under one handle-and I mean everything. Triple horn, two bells, horn stand, music stand, Balu mute (and also a stop mute in a clip on bag [included with the case] if need be), tuner, metronome, two parts bags, two mouthpieces and of course, my music. And it still meets the airlines' overhead limitations for the mainline airplanes. There is a compact MB7 that is designed to fit in the overheads of regional airplanes--puddle jumpers as I call them; it doesn't hold all the above, but it still holds the horn, mouthpiece and a mute. I recently sold a wine leather MB7 case; it is the most beautiful horn case I've ever seen. and now, I personally have the havings of and the usings make with consistency, several styrofoam coolers for many, many more than two reasons, not to make the mentionings of reasonings, which you have also even though you lied and only said there were two, I actually counted 15 in the above, but then again, who cares, really, so anyway, I make the findings that the 99 cent coolers are too small for a French horn but a mellophone might fit, but sometimes you can get a bigger one on sale for that price, like right before the 4th of July, but what is best is the one for about $2.97 (usually somewhat approximately that) which will hold my beloved 6-valve-double-belled-single-B Sansone, and just about everything else I might need on the gig including breakfast, lunch, dinner, tails, shoes, t-shirt, bow tie, cummerbund, bag of cash money, Depends, rubber pants (for Wagner or R. Strauss), a quart of valve oil, a tub of slide grease (wheel-bearing grease, not wimpy nipple-lanolin), every Stone-lined mute ever made (I endorse these, also, just out of the goodness of my heart, getting no compensation at all from Fumes and Terd, Inc.), a full set of Husky chrome vanadium socket wrenches, a ball peen hammer, sabre saw, Ryobi or DeWalt electric drill, batteries, charger, Kopprasch Book 1, condoms and KY Jelly and it fits under the seat on any plane, though a bit of work on the puddle-jumpers, but remember, you've got the tools to make it fit and if you have that letter from the Musicians' Union, the AFofM, that says you can take a musical instrument on the plane, then they will let you on with all of this stuff, and the whole thing is cheaper than Bona, Thompson, off or on shore, whatevers, so there!!! Kindestest of Greetonings and Mostestest of Case Solvings, Prof. I. M. Gestopftmitscheist Principal 8th horn and Principal 4th Wagner Tuber, Schplittenotendorf am Oedland Staatsoper und Philharmoniker, (ret.) Solo Horn, Bad Corner Brass Quintet Hornist, Broken Winds WW Quintet Solo 4th Horn (Leader, call me for bookings), Smirnoff Horn Quartet Assistant Associate Principal Mellophone, NJ Turnpike Authority Drum and Bugle Corps, The Phantom Lane Changers (summer only) Hornist as Needed, L'Ensemble du Chambre des Palourdes Principal Natural Horn, I Soloisti di Feces Principal Baroque and Hunting Horn, Camarata Vongoleforte Adjunct, Part-time, Arms-length Professor of Horn and Pest Control, Exit 2 Community College, Exit 2, NJ (Ret.) Adjunct, Part-time, Arms-length Professor of Horn, Pest Control and Home Petroleum Studies, Northern New Hampshire Technical Institute, Bad Corner, NH Author, The Kopprasch Connection, Kopprasch for Fun and Profit, Kopprasch for the New Millenium: Where Do you Fit In? Hooked on Hornonics, What If Saddam Had Given Ouday and Qusay Olds Ambassador or Conn Pan American Single F Horns and a Kopprasch Book Instead of AK 47's, Booze and Porn? and The DaVinci Clam: Did the Holy Embouchure Really Miss Notes Just Like the Rest of Us or Was It Truly Immortal? Founder, Director and CEO, Universal Institute for the Study, Preservation and Dissemination of Kopprasch Throughout the Solar System Founder and Guru Extraordinaire, Hornaholics Anonymous Grand Poobah of the Koppraschian Kult Director and Program Manager, The All Kopprasch Channel (AKC), Kopprasch Public Radio (KPR) Host
RE: [Hornlist] Embouchure Change
Kendall's response is quite thorough; I would only add that there definitely is a risk to this procedure, but I wouldn't worry too much about that because if the new embouchure doesn't work, you can always play the horn with your nose. This way you can even learn to play two-note chords. Loren \@() [EMAIL PROTECTED] (520) 403-6897 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 9:17 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Embouchure Change Hairy Kerry Thompson wrote: ...changing an embouchure is one of the most difficult, riskiest, and frustrating things you can attempt. ... the failure rate on embouchure changes is at least 90%. Probably less if ...a motivated music major, but even then success is far from guaranteed. Now, this is the mostestest of certainlies of trues which is why all embouchure changes should be made ONLY under the supervisions of the mostest most experienced and also competents of MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS and luckily there are dedicated doctors out there who can help you through what will be the mostest important, earth-shaking, life-altering event (other than perhaps marriage, death and taxes) of your life so if you make the successesses of your embouchure change you MUST make the engagings of the following medical professionals: 1) SURGEON, the mostestest important person (must be from France as that is the only place presently where faces are being transplanted); 2) ANETHESIOLOGIST, in order to relieve the pain of the procedure; 3) PEDIATRICIAN, so that the new embouchure grows correctly; 4) INTERNEST, in case your body rejects the transplant; 5) DERMATOLOGISTt, in case there are skin problems that need to be addressed; 6) PHARMACIST, you will need drugs (a Koepfchennichthaban if there ever was one); 7) DENTIST and/or ORTHODONTIST in case your new embouchure won't work on your old teeth; 8) PSYCHIATRIST, necessary in the planning stages before surgery to make the mostestest of assurances that the embouchure wants to change and also after surgery to help you adjust to your new life as a better horn player and it is also very important that your DONOR be a top notch horn player who is a member of the Donating Organs that Resulted in Kopprasch program in their state or country and this is marked on their driver's license by the big red letters D.O.R.K. and that also it is a good idea if they were also on this horn list that you can also get a brain transplant while you are in the hospital for the embouchure change since I'm sure that you will get a better brain than embouchure since most of the brains of people on this list have never been used! Merry Xopprasch and a Happy New Year from a snowy and blowy Bad Corner, NH, Prof. I. M. Gestopftmitscheist Principal 8th horn and Principal 4th Wagner Tuber, Schplittenotendorf am Oedland Staatsoper und Philharmoniker, (ret.) Solo Horn, Bad Corner Brass Quintet Hornist, Broken Winds WW Quintet Solo 4th Horn (Leader, call me for bookings), Smirnoff Horn Quartet Assistant Associate Principal Mellophone, NJ Turnpike Authority Drum and Bugle Corps, The Phantom Lane Changers (summer only) Hornist as Needed, L'Ensemble du Chambre des Palourdes Principal Natural Horn, I Soloisti di Feces Principal Baroque and Hunting Horn, Camarata Vongoleforte Adjunct, Part-time, Arms-length Professor of Horn and Pest Control, Exit 2 Community College, Exit 2, NJ (Ret.) Adjunct, Part-time, Arms-length Professor of Horn, Pest Control and Home Petroleum Studies, Northern New Hampshire Technical Institute, Bad Corner, NH Author, The Kopprasch Connection, Kopprasch for Fun and Profit, Kopprasch for the New Millenium: Where Do you Fit In? Hooked on Hornonics, and What If Saddam Had Given Ouday and Qusay Olds Ambassador or Conn Pan American Single F Horns and a Kopprasch Book Instead of AK 47's, Booze and Porn? Founder, Director and CEO, Universal Institute for the Study, Preservation and Dissemination of Kopprasch Throughout the Solar System Founder and Guru Extraordinaire, Hornaholics Anonymous Grand Poobah of the Koppraschian Kult Director and Program Manager, The All Kopprasch Channel (AKC), Kopprasch Public Radio (KPR) Host of The Kopprasch Factor on AKC and All Kopprasch Considered on KPR Founder of Kopprasch Depot, your one stop shop for all you need! Owner-Operator, Bad Corner Petroleum Laboratory, The Worlds Largest Valve Oil Factory Interplanetarily Known Soloist and Artist of Record Exclusive Bundy, Carl Fischer, Olds Ambassador, Sansone and Conn Artist Who Does Not Get His Horns For Free Phone: yes Fax: yes E-mail: yes Website: no Let's put the K back in Xopprasch! ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us
RE: [Hornlist] Thema und Variationen, Franz Strauss
Thank you Hans. I suspected that f1 to bb1 was the correct one and was looking for something close to the source which you have provided. Loren \@() [EMAIL PROTECTED] (520) 403-6897 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hans Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 10:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'The Horn List' Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Thema und Variationen, Franz Strauss Slur f1 to bb1 is correct according to all sources I have. Main source : publication by Zimmermann / Frankfurt 1957 - they had access to the original. It is the first publication. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Loren Mayhew Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 9:46 PM To: 'The Horn List' Subject: [Hornlist] Thema und Variationen, Franz Strauss I have two publishings of the subject pieceone modern German and one Soviet. There are several difference, all of which Ive been able to resolve except one. I am hoping someone on the list knows which is correct. The pickup to the 4th bar before the end of the 2nd repeat in Variation II is f slurring up to b-flat in the German version; in the Soviet version, f slurs up to d. I suspect the f to b-flat slur (the German version) is what Franz probably intended because it is a repeat of the beginning of the Variation II, but the f to d slur (Soviet version) is also plausible musically. Can anyone state with authority which is correct? Loren Mayhew \@() [EMAIL PROTECTED] (520) 403-6897 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Anticipating the Beat
There are several reasons suggested for this problem. Unless the horns are miked and tracked separately, it doesn't seem likely to blame the delay on the sound engineers. The fact that the horns are the only ones late suggests that it is not a problem understanding the conductor's beet. Rather it is most likely a timing problem caused by 1) the way the horns attack entrances or 2) the time delay of the reflected sound. For the first point it seems important for the hornists to be completely ready at least a beat ahead of the entrance, if possible, with air support, embouchure and tongue position so that at the moment of the attack all you need to do is release the tongue and the note plays; for some players this may take some practice to do this. Phil Meyers recommends preparing for an entrance in time with the rhythm: breathe, set, release. It is very important for horn players to be ready ahead of the beat so that they can more easily compensate for the time delay of the reflected sound. If you attack the entrance exactly on the beat or exactly with the instruments around you, the horn sound will be late. A beat before the entrance is too late to be getting ready to play. Regarding the second point, the reflected sound, the ideal distance between the bell and the reflector is 6 feet or approximately 2 meters and the bells and or reflector surface should be positioned so that the sound is reflected past or around the bell, not straight back into it. For most of us, the reflector is the back wall. A curtain in front of the back wall is not a reflector, but if the curtain material is particularly heavy, it may be a sound absorber; in that case you may need to place a portable reflector in front of the curtain. At six feet, the sound delay is tolerable (5-6 milliseconds) and is usually barely noticeable by the audience but may be quite noticeable in a digital recording. It might seem obvious then that the closer your bell is to the reflector surface the better because it reduces the delay, but this turns out to be not true. If the bell is closer than four feet, then the sound cannot reflect around or past the bell effectively and much or all of the sound reflects back into the bell so you have quite a battle going on trying to push out new sound while the old sound is trying to get back in. This leads to exhausted players and missed notes and the poor audience doesn't get their due. Farther than six feet and the sound delay becomes noticeably objectionable. The faster the tempo, the more noticeable the delay and the more necessary to articulate ahead. At mm 60, each beat is 1000 milliseconds, a delay of 5 milliseconds is .5% (hardly noticeable). At mm 120, each beat is 500 milliseconds, so a delay of 5 milliseconds is 1% of a beat (more noticeable) and so on. This is what makes after beats such a challenge at fast tempos for hornists; as the tempo gets faster you have to play after beats closer to the beat or they will sound later and later. This is why it helps to have the snare drums also play after beats, because they don't have the delay problem that horns have, then you just sync with the drums. If you are hearing a 1/4 beat delay, them my guess is that your bells are at least 15 feet or more from a reflecting surface or else you don't have a useful reflecting surface, like when a band or orchestra is positioned in the middle of an auditorium away from any walls. Sometimes we have to play with the horns jammed up against the back wall. The only solution I have for this situation is to sit at an angle to the wall so the sound is reflected past the bell to one side or the other like a pool ball deflecting off the edge of the table. The angle has to be such that the sound is reflected between the players and not into your neighbor's bell. The biggest obstacle to solving the delay problem is often the setup crew and/or the conductor who more often than not don't have a clue or a care about the correct positioning of horns in regards to the reflecting surface and get quite angry if you try to educate them. Ensembles are usually setup from the podium to back (as if the conductor is the most important) and the horns end up where they end up; the correct setup should be from the back to the front starting with the correct position for the horns. Such is the life of a hornist. Loren Mayhew \@() [EMAIL PROTECTED] (520) 403-6897 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nicholas Hartman Hartman Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 6:00 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Anticipating the Beat Dear list, This past summer, I had the opportunity to play in a full size concert hall with a full symphony orchestra. I listened to our recording of the performance, and I noticed that the horns were consistently about a quarter of a beat behind. I find this strange because there was a wide range of talents playing in this orchestra
[Hornlist] Louis J. Stout
Could someone, who still has it, email me a copy of Louis' passing which appeared on the list this weekend? I've already deleted mine and subsequently learned that I needed to keep a copy of it. Thanks, Loren Mayhew \@() [EMAIL PROTECTED] (520) 403-6897 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Thema und Variationen, Franz Strauss
I have two publishings of the subject pieceone modern German and one Soviet. There are several difference, all of which Ive been able to resolve except one. I am hoping someone on the list knows which is correct. The pickup to the 4th bar before the end of the 2nd repeat in Variation II is f slurring up to b-flat in the German version; in the Soviet version, f slurs up to d. I suspect the f to b-flat slur (the German version) is what Franz probably intended because it is a repeat of the beginning of the Variation II, but the f to d slur (Soviet version) is also plausible musically. Can anyone state with authority which is correct? Loren Mayhew \@() [EMAIL PROTECTED] (520) 403-6897 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Tuning pitch of A
US Orchestras tune to 440. Many orchestras shift to 442 by the end of the concert though. Loren \@() [EMAIL PROTECTED] (520) 403-6897 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Price Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 2:55 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Tuning pitch of A Dear listers: I've been out of the mainstream of orchestral playing for several years and wonder whether orchestras in the U.S. still use A=440 or have they been shifting to A=442. Can anyone clue me in? James R. Price 2603 Fairmont Rd. Montgomery, AL 36111 334-281-2532 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] John Ericson
Would John Ericson please contact me privately at my email address below? The email address I have for you is no longer working. Thank you, Loren Mayhew \@() [EMAIL PROTECTED] (520) 403-6897 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Re; Mahler 1 , c/o Hans Pizka, and performancepractice.
Ellen Manthe states, I am not putting one system above the other, but just making the comment to a lister that very fewuniversity professors - probably none - get their positions just because of the degree alone. The dynamic Nancy Joy is a fine example of someone who earned her teaching position on ability as she does not have a doctorate. She maintains a very fine horn studio at New Mexico State University--Las Cruces. Many of us have heard her students perform at various IHS Symposiums and regional workshops. Loren \@() [EMAIL PROTECTED] (520) 403-6897 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] International Horn Comptition of America Results
Thank you, Eldon, for the report. I trust it was a great week. Would there be a possibility of posting short bios about the winners? Loren \@() [EMAIL PROTECTED] (520) 403-6897 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eldon Matlick Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 7:21 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] International Horn Comptition of America Results Here are the results of the 2005 International Horn Competition of America Professional Division: Jesse McCormick, Second Prize Gerald Welker, Finalist University Division: Cara Kizer, First Prize Nicholas Caluori, Second Prize Robert Davis, Finalist A hearty thanks to all that participated. There were 75 contestants from 25 states and four foreign countries represented. Sincerely, Eldon Matlick Dr. Eldon Matlick, Horn Professor, University of Oklahoma Principal Hornist, OK City Philharmonic 500 W Boyd Norman, OK 73019 (405) 325-4093 off. (405) 325-7574 fax Conn-Selmer Educational Artist http://ouhorns.com __ Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] odd request
Ask Allan Alda. Loren \@() [EMAIL PROTECTED] (520) 403-6897 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erin Block Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 7:39 AM To: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] odd request I was wondering if anyone had or knew where I could get a horn that has been smashed flat? My husband and I (both amateur musicians) are redecorating and think an old horn that's met the roller would make an interesting wall piece in one of the rooms. Please contact me off-list if you know where I could get something like this. Thanks! Erin Block [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
FW: [Hornlist] Changing Key
Try the manufacturer of your horn or one of the shops that can make custom horn parts (Jim Patterson, Mark Atkinson, Dennis Houghton, Ken Pope, Bob Osmum to name a few). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 5:53 AM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Changing Key Hi Can anyone tell me where i can get a slide to replace the tuning slide to change the key of my horn Thanks Kev ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Eva Heater
Can someone please send me, off list, contact info for Eva Heater. Her email address at Yale is no longer active. Thank you, Loren Mayhew \@() Finke Horns [EMAIL PROTECTED] (520) 403-6897 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] !el gato grande!
All right. I don't know how much the cat weighs 'cause I can't get him to hold still on the scale. It is a big cat though. He peppered my horn with dents all over the place before I figured out what was happening; used it as a launching pad to get to places higher up. I traveled to Houghton Custom Horns and camped out there for a day while they fixed it. They are very good at dent removal and have ways to remove the most inaccessible ones without taking the horn apart. Loren \@() [EMAIL PROTECTED] (520) 403-6897 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leonard Brown Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 8:00 AM To: horn list memphis Subject: [Hornlist] !el gato grande! Subject: RE: Re: Alteri Gig Bags some comments ne thing my teacher always told me was this: 'If your horn is on the floor, it can't fall off of anything'. True, but the cat can jump on it. That cost me $300 to fix. Loren Ok Loren, you can't just say stuff like this and let it go : ) How much did this cat weight and what happened to the horn??? LLB ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Western Horn 'symposium'
The Western Horn Symposium is held every 2 years on the UNLV campus in Las Vegas in late October/early November. The next one is in 2006. Also of interest in the west is the annual A.I.R. Horns retreat on MLK weekend each January near Payson Arizona. I am told that this year there will also be a weekend workshop in Tempe, Arizona on the Arizona State University campus in the fall hosted by Dr. Ericson; I'm sure he will post some information about this as it becomes available. Loren \@() [EMAIL PROTECTED] (520) 403-6897 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jim thompson Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 1:23 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Western Horn 'symposium' Last year, the Western Horn Symposium was in Las Vegas. Is it always in LV? IF not, where will it be this year? Thanks, Jim ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] IHS 2006
Thanks, Dan. I'm planning on going with emphasis on planning. I don't yet know if I can afford it, but I'm working on that. Would anyone like to buy a Finke horn? Loren Mayhew \@() Finke Horns [EMAIL PROTECTED] (520) 403-6897 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Phillips Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 12:52 PM To: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] IHS 2006 Greetings, In case anyone's missed the announcement, IHS 2006, the 38th Symposium, will be in Cape Town, South Africa, July 21-29. Any listers besides me hoping to or planning on attending? The web site is very much under construction: http:// www.sahornsoc.com/ihsindex.htm Dan PS - the horn list was down from Friday afternoon until last evening due to my bad typing in a configuration file. My apologies! Dan Phillips Associate Professor of Horn, University of Memphis site administrator: music.memphis.edu Remember there are 10 kinds of people in the world, those who get it and those who don't. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/loren%40mayhews.us ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
