[Hornlist] Brahms und Mozart
Graeme E let us know how many horns play in Brahms' concerto: 4 in the Brahms fiddle concerto ( 2nd movt. only 1 & 2 from memory) *** I'm curious, Graeme, do you have any idea why Brahms wanted horns 1&2 to play from memory in this movement? Und Hans P was giving Antwort about whether to transpose to C basso or to C alto in the Mozart sonate in C: The horns in this sonata must be in C originally as the piece is in C. As there are two trumpets also, the horns were in C (basso) originally. But remember, there are so many musicologue idiots out there (not able to play a single orchestra instrument, but big mouth !), to transcribe the parts to F &oversee the fact, that horns go far too high, often exceeding the oboes & running unison with the trumpets. These folks have no idea about Mozart style. So these things happen. * So, if you have any doubts which transposition is called for, wait until just before the first downbeat, then ask your conductor if he (or she) is a musicological idiot. gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Mute points
Klaus B and Julius P said > I'm looking for practice mute, but I couldn't find much reviews on them. > Please share your experiences on various practice mutes: which you find good, > less good, or terrible? Which mute has best quality for reasonable price? I have the DW and the Yamaha Silent Brass. The Silent Brass without the electronics is by far my preferred tool *** If I have to use a practice mute, then I prefer to use my Yamaha Silent Brass Mute.I can't use my Aulos practice mute because the mouthpiece keeps falling into the mute. The YSB mute has this little plastic thingie in its neck, which holds the mouthpiece in position. I suppose you could also use a stopping mute, assuming you fit the mouthpiece into the narrow end, instead of the wide end. But really, it's much better to practice on your horn, and avoid all this practice mute stuff. If you find that neighbors and room mates complain about how loudly you practice, then invest in a good set of ear plugs. I always put on ear plugs before I practice. True, I have to play louder to hear myself play, but I am no longer disturbed by people complaining about my practicing. gotta go, cabbage ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Horn and High Voice pieces
Jack A wrote You might check with Mon Chou, the Great Horn Cabbage. He might have some quite interesting pieces for high voice(s) and horn. Three pieces of mine might be useful. One is Higgins is Gone, for high voice, violin, horn, and piano. Published by Thompson Edition (hint: use a slower tempo than the one marked on the score.) The second is the aria See Spot Run for coloratura soprano, garden hose (in D) and piano. This piece is from my opera Fun with Dick and Jane. The soprano goes up to high E. If you have a toy piano, you might as well perform the entire opera. The third is the dirge The Swallow Leaves her Nest for high voice, solo horn, and handbell. One of the songs I wrote for a play by Beddoes, Death's Jest-Book. The horn plays off-stage. it is recommended (though not required) that the hand bell player dress as the Grim Reaper, In my forthcoming opera Elvis in Cleveland, the soprano aria You Can't Get There from Here has an impressive horn solo. Unfortunately, I haven't written it yet. I have been looking for a wealthy patron of the arts who will offer me a sizable commission to keep this opera unwritten. Je dois partir, Le chou enchante ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Schumann Konzertstuck - newer arrangement
Hans P wrote Hello Graeme, you are absolutely right. These purists, t,tsss, tsss Mostly people, who just know things but cannot do it themselves , tsss, tsss, tss ... * Well, hello Hans, if you must hiss at others, please try to be more consistent. Maybe tsss, tsss, tsss or t, t, t or even tss, tss, tss (if you are trying not to give offence). In this way, you will be setting a good example for us younger players on the hornlist. Gotsssa go Cabbage ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Rosetti keeps fallin' on my head
Richard wrote Greetings from Seattle where the weather has been cloudless and sunny for the last few days ---Gott sei Dank! ** Hey, if it has been sunny for a few days, open your windows and let things dry out! Really, there is no reason why Gott should still be dank. Gott a go go, Cabbage ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] RE: Works in progress
Prokofiev: Romeo & Juliet (excerpts) Mendelssohn: Midsummer Night's Dream Berlioz: Beatrice and Benedict La Traviata Mozart: Horn Concerto No. 3 (natural horn) for a physics of music talk Coming up: Beethoven Sonata (natural horn) for the forthcoming Road Trip to New England (April) Basler: Alleluia Holmes: Pie Jesu Holmes: So We'll Go No More A Roving Holmes: Thomas Earp with Cantilena Women's Chorus, Arlington, MA (May) Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Contendy
Steve M wrote As they say out west, don't put a thousand dollar saddle on a fifty dollar horse! As my horn teacher back East always said, never put a fifty cent deodorant on a two dollar smell. Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Cabbage on the Road
Once again the Peripatetic One will take to the road to bring his message of physics and music to the huddled, inertial masses. This time it's in the Physics Department of Cal State Los Angeles at 3PM on Thursday, February 3. As a special treat, those who accidently attend this talk will not be subjected to his usual rendition of Beethoven Op. 17. The Cruciferous one hopes some generous hornlister will be able to loan him a natural horn (preferably a classical instrument with a bunch of crooks) for him to tootle on during this talk. Those requiring more information should contact me off list. Those requiring less information should stop reading this message long before they reach this sentence. gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Osman Music?
Karl F wonders Does anyone know what the website for Osman music is, and is that even the right name? I wanted to order a custom fitted Conn 8D hand guard, and I remember seeing one on their website. Problem is I forgot it, and I can't find them. I think I am spelling the name wrong. ** Osman, he de mun. Osmun, he de man. Cabbage me de veggie ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] RE: Notation
Steve F wrote Acoustics" by Arthur H. Benade, and he makes it very clear that the term "partial" is used for any "part" of the sound produced, including the fundamental. It's a necessary way of looking at things because not all sound coming from the same source are necessarily musically related, e.g., Mr. Benade's example of hitting a skillet and listening to the resulting sounds. All such sounds are parts, and therefore partials, of the total sound being produced. In a musical context where the partials are mathematically related (or nearly so, at any rate), the fundamental, the first harmonic, and the first partial all refer to the same pitch. *** Your usage of these terms corresponds to the standard scientific usage. Unfortunately, many people use the term "overtone." The first overtone is the second harmonic. Other people, typically harpists and guitarists, use the term "first harmonic" to mean a note an octave higher than the fundamental. This usage is so ingrained that there is probably no way to correct it, short of hitting the miscreants over the head with a heavy metal object. Alas! Where are Benade and his skillet now that we need them? Gotta go, Cabbfegge ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] How to shorten key travel
subject: [Hornlist] Key travel, How do you shorten it?? Hey I just received a Yamaha 667VS and was wondering if it's possible to get the key travel to become shorter? * Hey, the best way to shorten key travel is to perform pieces with very few modulations. Favor Sousa over Wagner. Specialize in Ravel's Bolero. Commission Philip Glass to write you a horn concerto. Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] RE: horns on airplanes
Cabbage wondered Whoever told you that a 747 would fit in the overhead bin of an Airbus? And how did you get that thing through baggage screening? And David G wrote I winged it. * What a tall tail that is. gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] RE: horns on airlines
David G wrote For what it's worth, I have found that my horn case just fits in the overhead compartments of an Airbus 320, but not a 747 by a fraction of an inch. * I'm not surprised at all. Whoever told you that a 747 would fit in the overhead bin of an Airbus? And how did you get that thing through baggage screening? Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] storage problem
Scottito wrote I have been ordered to remove my collection of horns from our living room.I can keep the one I am playing and my daughter's horn in there, but I have to store 5 others in my den. There is no room in the closet in there or on the floor so I have to come up with some sort of shelving solution. I need to be able to put the horns up there and take them down easily, and it has to be at least 5 feet off the floor. Any creative solutions out there? * Not worry Mr. Scottito! We will be pleasure to provide you're own very trustworthy Personal Hornplayer Assistant who will over to you house for arranging extra horns so that they is no longer in you're way! We offer such service to you free from expense since your such special person Mr. Scottito! Just you leave key under you're front door mat and you're own very reliable Personal Hornplayer Assistant is solving pesky problem in no time at all! Don't mention it! Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] That is the question
Jonathan asked: What constitutes a really "big horn"? Brand? (Hoyer, Kruspe, 8D, etc.) Uh, "Cabbage" might want to sit aside awhile here, but I doubt that will happen... AND, after we chew on this awhile, I want to ask another: What's a "tubby"sound? Hamlet asked almost the same question in his famous soliloquy. Gotta go, le chew ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Conn oder Hoyer
Mike wrote I auditioned a Hoyer at Patterson's shop. Very responsive - great valves.= Then I played an Elkhart and decided the edge went to the Hoyer. Much mo= re expensive, however (about $6,000)! I bought the Patterson Custom instea= d with no regrets. *** I bought a Patterson Custom WITH regrets. I know it costs a bit more, but believe me, it's worth it. Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] A half life beyond mortal existence; or, The Indian Proverb.
Loren M wrote: You are implying a false conclusion; the Indian proverb does not apply to horns, the metal of which the half life is way beyond your mortal existence Dave W responded, asking: While this may be true, how many hornists are regularly playing on a horn over 85 years old? *** In my experience, only one at a time. Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Edited Mozart
Eric J wrote The first sheet music for horn I ever owned was an edition of Mozart's "3rd" horn Concerto published by Carl Fischer and arranged for horn and piano by Max Pottag. Talk about editing! Mr Pottag didn't just edit, he rewrote. It's full of altered passages, suggested cuts and 20th century articulations and dynamics. Although I can't imagine anyone wanting to perform from it today, I treasure this edition and would never part with it. It came from a different time and in it's own way is as "Urtext" as any Henle edition. ** Yes, yes, hold on to it, Eric! Your text is urtext! Soon audiences and hornists will tire of numbing concerts reviving the authentic performance practice of classical music using handhorns, etc. Then they will surely shift their attention to authentic performance practices during the first half of the twentieth century. When that happens, dozens of graduate students will clamor to inspect this treasured version of Mozart's Third Concerto, anxious to fill their dissertations with learned commentary on its slurs, altered notes, and trill-substitutes, while celebrated horn soloists will add greater luster to Pottag's name with their truly authentic performances of his remarkable edition. Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Gig bags
Ryan D wrote: I am looking for a gig bag for my french horn and I was wondering if anyone had some info about good gig bags. I thought they would be easier to haul around the colllege campus rather than the huge cases that they come with. But I want a gig bag that will protect my horn more than anything else. * I'm not sure what you mean by a "good gig bag." In my experience, only an empty gig bag can protect a horn from denting. Still, there's no denying that a gig bag is convenient. So if you MUST get a one, consider also buying a junk horn to put in it, one you don't care about (I used to have a silver-plated Schmidt- model York that fit this category very well). Just make sure to send your chauffeur ahead with your good horn (safe in a nice strong case), so that it will be well protected, and you won't have to play that junker in public. gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Talent
Steve F wrote Larry, an admirable quest on your part (to provoke more thought about the nature of talent) but I don't believe you, me, this group, or any group of people will ever settle the "nature or nuture" question. Too many examples exist of excellence in musical performance where no indication whatsoever of "natural talent" can be found. I am reminded of Victor Borge's remark - which I don't remember exactly - that he inherited his musical talent and intelligence from his mother, and his good looks and poetical personality from a close friend of his father. Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Marking your horn valves
Larry J suggested To keep track of the exact position of your valve slides, consider using a permanent laundry marker like a Sharpie fine point permanent marker. Make a dash line at the point where the slides enter the horn. First wipe the marked area free of grease, then mark. The mark lasts about a month before I need to remark it. *** It helps a lot if your horn is remarkable. And Hans P chimed in For those who will not rely on their brain, the marker method might work & is a useful advise. * Of course the marker method works better, Hans! Have you ever tried to draw a line on your horn using your brain? It makes this big, smudgy mark which is hard to see and which disappears in less time than it took Fafner to kill Fasolt. And Loren M wrote Cabbage--over to you. *** Roger that, Loren. Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] STIFF AND TIRED LIPS
Margaret D wrote We all play arpeggios during performances -- practice them during your warm-up. We all play scales during performances -- practice them during your warm-up. We all play long tones, high and low and loud and soft -- practice them during your warm-up. And once you've practiced all of this, spend time practicing everything else. Good thinking! And since we all miss notes during performances, we should practice missing them when we warm up. Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Oddball ebay horn and the resistance duck
Herb F wrote This has brought up an interesting discussion. While the standing wave travels more efficiently around a ninety degree bend because it reflects off the corner, what happens when there's a node or antinode there? My acoustic theory is weak here. Has anything been published? I think there has, but I am not current on the scientific work. Here is what I know about bends in tubing. Suppose you have a long straight tube. It will have resonances at certain frequencies. The longer the tube, the lower the frequencies of the resonances. Now bend the tube, taking care to maintain the circular cross section. You will find that all the resonances have been shifted slightly higher. Race car drivers know to drive along the inside of a turn to shorten the distance they must drive; so too, the path the sound follows through a bend is slightly shorter than the path it would take through a straight tube. So the acoustical length of a bent tube is slightly shorter than its actual length. You can compensate for this effect by making the tube slightly narrower in the region of the bend. Bassoon makers know about this. A bassoon's air column goes through a 180 degree turn; in that region, the air column is slightly narrower than you would predict from the profile of the rest of the instrument. I don't know whether brass instrument makers have noticed or considered this effect. There is another effect to consider. First a digression about dents. When you play a note on your horn, the sound inside the instrument makes a standing wave which has displacement nodes and antinodes. If there were a wall across the tube, then the wall must be the site of a dsiplacement node: you can't displace air through a wall. A dent (or a stray blob of solder on the inside of the horn, or a rotor port that is slightly out of alignment) would act as a partial wall; it wouldn't affect the frequency of a standing wave that already had a node at the location of the dent. But if a standing wave has a node NEAR a dent, that node tends to shift toward the dent, changing the frequency of the standing wave. In addition, antinodes would tend to shift away from the dent. Different notes of the horn will have nodes (and antinodes) at different distances from the dent, and so the effect of the dent will be different for different notes. An abrupt bend in a tube acts like a partial wall, and so affects the horn the same way a dent would, shifting some resonances up and some resonances down, and leaving some unchanged. I don't know how large this effect is. I will check out my sources and see what they say. Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Horn resistance
Hans P wrote A ship´ s horn has no tiny lead pipe & quite NO resistance, but it sounds like a DINO FART. And Fred B responded Prof. Pizka, I know you are close to retirement, but had no idea that you were so old as to remember what a dinosaur farting sounds like...what is the secret of your longevity? * Actually, this doesn't mean necessarily that Hans P is very old. Paleontologist have long studied coproliths, fossilized dinosaur exrement. In the same strata, they often uncover pediliths, which are fossilized farts. There is a superb collection of pediliths at the Smithsonian Museum in Washington DC. Less superb, but far more numerous, is the collection of fossilized farts on display in the administration building of my university. No doubt the Munich Opera is similarly blessed. Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] It's just a phrase I'm goin' thru
Leonard B wrote 99% of the time I am in total agreement with you but as you must know tempo, phrasing and dynamics are imposable to have at the same time. I would suggest that tempo and phrasing be used but everything be played FF just to make sure the judges can hear the tryout. Phrasing means breathing after every note, right? Sure, unless the note is tied, in which case you can also breathe at the bar line. Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Odd ball horn
Bill B sent us the following message Oddball ebay horn QXMgYW4gZW5naW5lZXIsIEkgYXBwcmVjaWF0ZSB0aGF0IGZvciBhY291c3RpYyB3YXZlcyB0 dXJuaW5nIGNvcm5lcnMsIG1ha2luZyBjdXJ2ZXMgJ2dlbnRsZScgaXMgbW9zdGx5IGEgcmVz dWx0IG9mIHJlbHlpbmcgb24gaW50dWl0aW9uIHJhdGhlciB0aGFuIHVuZGVyc3RhbmRpbmcg cGh5c2ljcy4gIElzIHRoaXMgY29tbW9uIGtub3dsZWRnZSBhbW9uZyB0aG9zZSB3aG8gYXBw bHkgbW9kZXJuIHRlY2hub2xvZ3kgdG8gaW5zdHJ1bWVudCBkZXNpZ24/ICBZb3UgYXJlIHRo ZSBmaXJzdCByZXNwZWN0YWJsZSBob3JuIGRlc2lnbmVyIEkgaGF2ZSBldmVyIGhlYXJkIG1l bnRpb24gdGhpcyBmYWN0LgoKRm9yIHRob3NlIGxlc3MgaW5mb3JtZWQsIHRoZSBwcm9ibGVt IG9mIGJlbmRzIGluIGFuIGluc3RydW1lbnQgaGFzIHR3byBhc3BlY3RzLiAgT25lIGlzIHNp bXBseSBhaXIgZmxvdywgd2hpY2ggd2lsbCByZXNwb25kIHRvIHN0cmFpZ2h0ZW5pbmcgY3Vy dmVzIHRoZSBzYW1lIHdheSB1bmtpbmtpbmcgYSBob3NlIHdpbGwuICBUaGUgb3RoZXIgYXNw ZWN0IGlzIGJlbmRpbmcgdGhlIGFjdHVhbCBhY291c3RpYyB3YXZlLiAgVGhlIG9wdGltaXph dGlvbiBvZiB0aGlzIHRlbmRzIHRvd2FyZCB1c2luZyBzdHJhaWdodCB0dWJpbmcsIGFzIG11 Y2ggYXMgcG9zc2libGUsIGFuZCBkZXNpZ25pbmcgY291cGxlcnMgYmV0d2VlbiB0aGUgc3Ry YWlnaHQgc2VjdGlvbnMgdG8gbWFrZSB0aGUgYmVuZHMuICBUaGUgY291cGxlcnMgZ2VvbWV0 cnkgaXMgb3B0aW1pemVkIGJ5IHJlZmxlY3Rpb24gYW5nbGVzIGRpcmVjdGluZyB0aGUgYWNv dXN0aWMgd2F2ZSBhcm91bmQgdGhlIGNvcm5lcnMuICBLbm93aW5nIHRoZSBuYXR1cmUgb2Yg dGhlIGFjb3VzdGljIHdhdmUgd2lsbCBpZGVudGlmeSBwbGFjZXMgd2hlcmUgeW91IGFic29s dXRlbHkgZG9uJ3Qgd2FudCB0byBsb2NhdGUgYSBiZW5kLiAgVGhlIG9wdGltdW0gc2hhcGUg b2YgdGhlIGNvdXBsZXIgd2lsbCB1bmRvdWJ0ZWRseSBkZXZpYXRlIGZyb20gYSBzaW1wbGUg YmVudCB0dWJlLgoKSW50ZXJlc3RpbmdseSwgSSBoYXZlIG9uZSBpbnN0cnVtZW50IGluIG15 IGNvbGxlY3Rpb24gd2hvc2UgZGVzaWduIHdvdWxkIGluZGljYXRlIHNvbWUgdW5kZXJzdGFu ZGluZyBvZiB0aGUgcGh5c2ljcy4gIEl0IGlzIG15IG9sZGVzdCBicmFzc3dpbmQsIGFuIGFu dGViZWxsdW0gY29udHJhYmFzcyBTYXhob3JuIG1hZGUgYnkgRS5HLiBXcmlnaHQgaW4gdGhl IDE4NTAncy4gIFdyaWdodCdzIGRlc2lnbnMgYXJlIGNoYXJhY3Rlcml6ZWQgYnkgbGVuZ3Ro cyBvZiBzdHJhaWdodCB0dWJpbmcgY29ubmVjdGVkIGJ5IHNob3J0IGNvdXBsZXJzIHR1cm5p bmcgdmVyeSBzaGFycCAxODAgZGVncmVlIGJlbmRzLiAgVGhlIGNvdXBsZXJzIHdpbGwgY291 cGxlIHR3byAzLzQiIHR1YmVzIHJ1bm5pbmcgd2l0aGluIDEvOCIgb2YgZWFjaCBvdGhlci4K CkknbSBub3Qgc3VyZSB3aGF0IHRoZSBlbmdpbmVlcmluZyByZWFzb25pbmcgd2FzIGJlaGlu ZCBXcmlnaHQgdXNpbmcgdGhlc2UgdW5pZm9ybSAxODAgZGVncmVlIGNvdXBsZXJzIHdoZXJl dmVyIHBvc3NpYmxlLiAgSSBoYXZlIHNwbGl0IGNvdXBsZXIgdGhhdCBJIHNob3dlZCB0byBS b2JiIFN0dWFydCBiZWNhdXNlIGl0IGZhciBleGNlZWRzIG15IGFiaWxpdHkgdG8gYmVuZCBs YXJnZSBkaWFtZXRlciB0dWJpbmcuICBSb2JiIHRoaW5rcyBoZSBjYW4gYmVuZCBvbmUsIGJ1 dCB3aWxsIHJlcXVpcmUgc2V2ZXJhbCBhbm5lYWxpbmcgc3RhZ2VzLiAgV3JpZ2h0IGhvcm5z IGFyZSBhbW9uZyB0aGUgYmVzdCBwbGF5ZXJzIGZyb20gdGhlIGVyYS4gIFRoaXMgaG9ybiBy aXZhbHMgdGhlIGJlc3QgaG9ybnMgYmVpbmcgbWFkZSB0b2RheS4gIEp1c3QgYWJvdXQgdGhl IHRpbWUgSSB3YXMgY29uZ3JhdHVsYXRpbmcgTXIuIFdyaWdodCBvbiBoaXMgZm9yd2FyZCB0 aGlua2luZyBkZXNpZ24sIEkgZnVydGhlciBzdHVkaWVkIHRoZSBjcmFja2VkIGNyb29rIGZy b20gdGhlIHBlcnNwZWN0aXZlIG9mIG15IG1hbnVmYWN0dXJpbmcgZW5naW5lZXJpbmcgZXhw ZXJpZW5jZS4gIEkgZGlzY292ZXJlZCB0aGF0IHJhdGhlciB0aGFuIGJlaW5nIGEgbGFib3Ig b2YgbG92ZSB0byBiZW5kIHRoZSB0dWJpbmcsIGVhY2ggY291cGxlciB3YXMgbWFkZSBvZiB0 d28gc3RhbXBlZCBzaGVsbHMgc2lsdmVyIHNvbGRlcmVkIHRvZ2V0aGVyLiAgSSBzdXJtaXNl IGVhY2ggc2hlbGwgd2FzIHN0YW1wZWQgZnJvbSBzaGVldCBzdG9jaywgdGhlbiB0aGUgbWF0 aW5nIGZsYW5nZXMgc2FuZGVkIHRvIHByb2R1Y2UgYSBzaGFycCBpbnNpZGUgY29ybmVyLiAg QWZ0ZXIgc29sZGVyaW5nLCB0aGUgcmVtYWluaW5nIGZsYW5nZSB3YXMgdHJpbW1lZCBiYWNr IGZsdXNoIHRvIHRoZSBvdXRzaWRlIHdhbGwuICBJdCBsb29rcyBqdXN0IGxpa2UgYSBwaWVj ZSBvZiB0dWJpbmcgd2l0aCBhbiBpbmNyZWRpYmx5IGRpZmZpY3VsdCBiZW5kLCBleGNlcHQg aXQgaGFzIHR3byBzZWFtcyByaWdodCB3aGVyZSB0aGUgZmxhbmdlcyB3ZXJlLiAgU28gd2Fz IGl0IGEgY29zdCBzYXZpbmcgc3RlcCBvciBhbiBhcHBsaWNhdGlvbiBvZiBwaHlzaWNzIHdh eSBiZWZvcmUgaXRzIHRpbWU/Cg ** This is an excerpt of the serial number of one of the Conn "Texas Long Horn" 88DD models which they manufactured briefly in the early 1970's. Not only were these horns much longer than the usual horn (well, duh!), but they had eight valves and a gigantic bell. The larger bell had three purposes: to give the instrument a darker sound, to shield the player against the intense winds typical of the Texas prairie (that's why this horn was sometimes referred to as "The Texas Wind Breaker"), and to allow Conn to engrave the entire serial number on the horn. Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] RE: Missouri All State Audition Pieces
William F is preparing to audition in Missouri. Pottag-Hovey p.31 #128 Kopprasch- 60 Selected Studies p. 6 #8 and pgs. 20-21 #30 Preparatory Melodies to p.22 #56 If anyone has any suggestions regarding tempo, phrasing, dynamics, or anything at all I would very much appreciate hearing them. ** I think that tempo, phrasing, and dynamics would be a really good idea, Bill. Audition committees find them much more impressive than other aspects of playing, such as posture and personal hygiene, though those might help in a close audition. Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Pinky Hook, Ducks Foot, or Hand Strap
Greg said I've never understood why everyone seems to manufacture their duck's feet and flippers to be so uncomfortable. First off, don't make them too small. Next, find something softer than cork to glue on as a pad. I use one of those rubbery shoe-insert pads cut to the right shape; in fact, I glue a couple layers together. Since these foot pad things tend to get brittle, I sewed a small sock out of some leathery fabric (something that won't slide around) around the whole duck's foot. Mighty comfy. *** My duck thinks these duck booties are really great. His feet are so comfy that I don't quack on the high notes any more. Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Better than a BERP
Scottito offered this Better than a berp is a score of the piece you are playing (or just a good ear). ** Good advice, Scottie! A score makes a swell substitute for a BERP. What you do is you roll the score up so that it makes a long tube whose inner diameter matches that of your mouthpiece. Then just tootle on that until you're ready for your big entrance. And if you forgot the score, not to worry, just borrow the second horn part. It's a lot easier to roll up than the full score (especially for a big piece like Bruckner's Fourth), and it's lighter, too. I'm not so sure how valuable a good ear is, however. Most second hornists I know object when I try buzzing my lips in their ears before my big solo. Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] The Lost Chord
Paul K write BTW - as a first year music student in Manchester in 1966/67 I had it drummed into me that Sullivan's well known 'Lost Chord' was the worst tune ever written - discuss! * This one has been digust many times before. Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Tearing muscles
Someone wrote So, how does one tear a muscle in the embouchure? Is it common? How can you protect yourself--standard warmup stuff? The embouchure is not the only part of your face which is liable to injury in this fashion. I remember playing La Boheme with Opera San Jose. In one performance, the fourth act finale was so intense I ended up with a tear in my right eye. Luckily, I was wearing sunglasses, so no one noticed. gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] An object all sublime
Someone wondered How many horn parts are there in the Mikado? David G answered My horn has 4 valve caps 4 valves 4 rotors 4 rotor screws 8 string screws 4 strings 8 rotor-stop screws 4 rotor-stops 8 corks 4 thingies that hold the rotos in place 4 levers 4 lever springs 2 lever spring screws 2 spring screw nuts 1 metal strip holding the lever springs 2 screws holding the metal strip 2 tuning slides 6 valve slides 1 mouthpiece I think that's everything, not counting my handguard and duckfoot. Looks like there are 76 horn parts. The Mikado is written for two horns, so that makes 152 horn parts in The Mikado. *** He, David, you fergot that large thingie upstream o' the mouthpiece. I misremember what it's called. You probly overlooked it 'cos it doesn't fit in yer horn case with all them other doohickies. Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Improving the high register
Bob D wrote After extended breaks of anywhere up to a year, I warm up carefully on the Rossari etudes transposed to horn in A, then do Book VI of the Maxime-Alphonse a couple of times through, with all the repeats. Then I'm ready for a nice warm bath. Those extended breaks come in handy. Like you, I play M-A volume VI straight through, but I am careful to take a year-long break whenever my lip feels tired. Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Oil addicts
Hans P was giving us good advice Are we so spoiled by all these super idiotic commercials & their ballyhoo ??? Like: put the nail between thumb & forefinger of the left hand, haha, point the nails point against the wall,- got it ? -, get the hammer into your right hand, - you too madam-, holding it at the grip firmly, wow, hammer against the head of the nail until the nail sticks in the wall, splash , applaus. Are we that like ? Really ? ** Hans, Hans, be kind. After all, when you hold a nail between your thumb and forefinger, there are three nails, all in close contact. An inexperienced amateur hammerer has only one chance in three of hitting the correct one on the first try. Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Kohn: Encounters II
Alecks O wrote I have to play this piece for an American Music concert and was wondering if anybody knows of a recording of it. Also, does anyone know the present whereabouts of Karl Kohn? ** karl Kohn has retired, but he still can be reached through the Music Department at Pomona College. I hear he is enjoying retirement, though he suffers from a mild case of emeritis. I heard Ralph Pyle play the premier of this piece back in the 60's. Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Cabbage at FermiLab
Joe D is dizzy with excitement at the prospect of hearing Prof. Cabbage speak and play: And then, he said that his tone is rather dark! I suppose that is in reference to his playing tone, or what else could it be?!?!? And so, It would surely (likely) be appropriate for us all to raise the shades, open the windows, and see whether the dark tone affects the snow-flakes, nearby!! Can that be so?? Everone look to see!! Play darkly, Mr. Cabbage, and we all will be listening (looking) for those dark snow flakes!! LOL, please! ** L all you want, Joe. There are plenty of flakes on the horn list already, but there's always room for one more. Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Chou sur la rue
Bill T is excited because he has an superb opportunity to miss my talk at Fermilab next week: Will your presentation involve any portion of the particle accelerator? Boy, hook up a horn to that baby and increase your upper range by 20 or 30 octaves. I wonder if bombarding a bell with neutrinos or mesons would help give the horn a dark sound? (Walter Lawson, are you listening?) ** Actually, Bill, my talk is part of Fermilab's ongoing efforts to probe the fundamental structure structure of the universe. Although (despite my deep modesty) I am quite bright, my horn tone is quite dark. A team of scientists will be investigating my technique in order to answer the question, "Does dark matter?" Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Cabbage on the Road
Prof. Cabbage will once again hit the road, this time bringing his thoughts, such as they are, on the physics of brass instruments to Fermilab in Illinois. The talk will be 4 PM Wednesday, October 6. Since the presentation will conclude with his "interpretation" of Beethoven's Op. 17 on natural horn, residents of Chicago and its environs will be anxious to book trips to distant places in order to minimize personal discomfort. Additional misinformation is available at the following: http://www-ppd.fnal.gov/EPPOffice-w/colloq/colloq.html Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Trasnposed prats
Chris B wrote Dear Cabbage, I have had far too much stout beer, a few too many manhattans and too my knowledge I am the only Chris B on this list and I have never complained about anyone writing diddly squat on parts that needed to be transposed. (Burp) Surely you are speaking of (burp, hic) someone else. Happy Thoughts Sorry, Chris, I didn't mean you, I meant the other Chris B, the one who shares his beer with other horn players, rather than hoarding it all to himself. gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Tchaik 5 melody
Anna H wrote I don't think it's at all uncommon for artists to use classical music. Amazing but true. Did you know that Mozart used classical music when he was writing Eine Kleine Nachtmusik? Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Transposed parts
Chris B is annoyed when people write note names on their parts because they can't transpose: Yeah, and I erased what i could of the person before me * Erasing or rubbing out offending horn players seems like an overly drastic step to me, but, luckily, there are too many horn players in the world, so maybe no one will notice. Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] More on the quiz
Dee Anne Proctor wondered One last question, Professor Cabbage... If Ralph Nader were a horn player, would he play a natural horn? What would he do with the condensation that collected in his horn? You misspelled the word "condescension." Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] The Quiz
Prof. I. M. G requested enlightenment on the following topics: 1) If your valves are dirty and your hand is dirty, will the resultanting stopped note come out cleanly whether or not you have fingered it above or below or does the fingering depend on whether or not you have figured out the physics involved for both the F and B sides or should it just sound good no matter what and what about the other combinations of the above? Yes 2) If your valves are cleaned with shampoo, soaked in alcohol, lubricated with triple refined mink oil mixed with 5W30 Mobil 1 with a drop of red food coloring added for visual effect in the $5.00, 2 oz. bottle and been oiled every other hour for a week, and your hand has been washed with Dial Anti-Bacterial soap, dried with a sterile, surgeons' grade paper towel, covered with vaseline to moisturize it and then inserted in the bell and because of the vaseline it goes in even further up the bell than usual, then, does the resultant node or anti-node move even further making the pitch raise or lower a full step on either or both the F and/or B sides? ** I just washed my horn, and I can't do a thing with it. 3) I have heard that hand stopping in the northern hemisphere raises the pitch and in the southern hemisphere, it lowers it (or vice-versa), and that this is why the fingerings written in the rental part of the Capriccio Espagnole never work? Those fingerings may have been used in the Eastern hemisphere, in which the hand position causes the note to be transposed up two steps, then over one. 4) Are there any markeded differences in the above mentioned questions when performing on either a silver Kruspe wrapped horn or a brass Geyer wrapped horn and what about a Chinese nickle plated horn and if the Geyer wrapped horn had just been polished with Brasso, sterilized with alcohol and cryogenically frozen, would it still have a bad "g" and if the Kruspe wrapped had the same things done, would the "a" and "g#" still be flat on open and 2 on the B side? * You misspelled "nickel". And you included question 4 twice. If you were playing Humperdinck's most famous opera, it would be useful to have your horn cryogenically enhanselled. 4) How much would it cost to add a stopping valve to a Wagner Tuba and why don't the manufacturers do this and why are there no stop valves on the natural horn? Anyone who has listened to Lowell Greer knows that natural horn players never, ever stop. 5) If John Kerry was a horn player and played a Geyer, would he have changed to a Kruspe at some point and then maybe back to the Geyer or vice versa? ** He would stay with the Geyer, which already has a changing valve, and besides, he installed a flipper on it. 6) If George W. Bush were a horn player in an amateur orchestra, would he show up at all of the rehearsals? *** Of course. He is tremendously excited by the repertory for the next concert, which includes Richard Strauss' immortal tone poem "My Pet Goat." His presence at the rehearsals is as certain as the presence of WMD's. Just ask his mouthpiece, Dick Cheney. Mostest of thankings in advance for you mostestest erudiculousses of replies over the next month or so on these subjects *** You are mostestly welcome. Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Prose and conns
Bill B wrote How do the newer 8Ds compare with the Elkhart horns? * Look, I know that this is a highly political season here in the US, but I would be grateful if the hornlist didn't waste too much linewidth discussing Neo-Conns. gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Euler parabola
David G wrote if you want to do your colleague a great, if embarrassing favor, peek into his/her bell. ** I'll say that's embarrassing! Why on earth would it be a favor to oh wait, that word was "peek." Sorry, I misread it. Never mind. Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Junk for sale
Ben L wrote The french horn listings on Ebay these days are clogged with frequent ads from three stores that sell extremely inexpensive new French horns. One place sells singles from Victory Band Instruments that cost $125. Another sells Helmke singles for $129. Doubles go for $245. What *are* these things? Has anyone tried one? I'm don't want to buy one, but I am curious about them, particularly in regard to the quality. Paul M answered They are Chinese junk, to be succinct about it. Paul Mansur You are being entirely too rash and hasty, Paul, you impetuous lad! Some Chinese junk for sale is highest quality junk for sail. Consider this image of a nice triple: http://www.zunzun.cu/images/187/histori4.jpg gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Days of wine and
Susan T wrote and you will probably have very solid petal tones on the trombone as soon as you start playing it... and Cabbage wrote: I had a rose brass bell installed on my trombone, so now my petal tones are really impressive. then Richard B opined: It also does wonders for your endurance and stamena. *** What a pollen joke that was! gotta go, cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] RE: Playing horn and trombone
Susan T wrote Reading the different trombone clefs (bass, tenor, alto) can be useful for improving your musical knowledge and may help your facility at transposition, and using a slide rather than valves can be useful for experimenting with intonationand you will probably have very solid petal tones on the trombone as soon as you start playing it; for some reason, this impresses some trombone players. ** I had a rose brass bell installed on my trombone, so now my petal tones are really impressive. Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] RE: Unknown Engraving on bell
Gcoltrin wrote I have a Conn 8D (not surprising) that was made in 1960 according to the serial number. It has a rather odd pattern engraved in the bell, rather akin to flames. I've never seen it on any other Conn, 8D or otherwise. Does anybody know what this is? Was it done after the instrument was made? Thanks. *** Boy, does that horn bring back memories! This model was the result of a brief collaboration between Phil Farkas and the Harley-Davidson company. Farkas thought that H-D's Duo-Glide technology package would turn the 8D into a superb racing horn. Unfortunately, the project was abandoned after the famous Chicago Symphony concert in which Farkas lost control and crashed into a wall during the opening lap of Tchaikowsky's Fourth Symphony. Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Cabbage explains
Herb F wrote Well, actually, no. The 6% is accurate, but you multiply, not add. That is you multiply by 1.06 12 times to get an octave. Instead of 1.72, this give 2.01 (not exactly 2.00 because the 6% is slightly high). Therefore a D hose would be 14 1/4 feet, and a D basso hose would be 28 1/2 feet, given a 12 foot F hose. Another way of saying this is that you add the 6% to the length you currently have, and repeat this 12 times. I'm sure that someone else can explain this better than I did. Cabbage? You explained it really well, Leonard. So I will tell a joke instead. At the high school class reunion, everyone was surprised to discover that Hal, the class dummy, was now immensely wealthy. When they asked for his secret, he explained: I discovered how to manufacture something for one dollar which everyone buys for four dollars. It may not seem like much, but over the years that three per cent profit really adds up. gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Cabbage music with horn
I have extra copies of some music which may interest hornlisters. Pieces marked with an asterisk* have been published. I will send free of charge whatever titles interest you, but I hope you will not request a piece which it would be impossible for you to perform. Pie Jesu* - treble chorus and solo horn So we'll go no more a roving* - treble chorus, violin, horn, and piano Ploughing on Sunday - treble chorus, (natural) horn, and piano Tyrley, Tyrlow* - mixed chorus and brass quintet (or keyboard) Chesterton's Carol* - mixed chorus and brass quintet (or keyboard) Three Songs - soprano, clarinet and horn Two additional pieces can be obtained through Thompson Edition, so you can't get any free copies from me: Higgins is Gone - high voice, violin, horn, and piano Three Hunting Songs - high voice and horn quartet See http://www.thompsonedition.com/otherchamber.htm If you are connected to a treble chorus (either children or women) or a mixed chorus, and want a list of additional pieces I have available, contact me off-list. Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Hose "A" can you "C"
John K wrote As a piano tuner with more than twenty years experience I can tell you that it is impossible to tune a piano properly with a pair of scissors. ** Not so fast, John. The scissors I buy at the local store come from China, so they are tuned to A = 445, instead of 440. But after I use them for a while, they're no longer sharp at all, making them perfect for tuning my piano. Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] RE: H E double hockey sticks
Carlberg wrote I just finished a small patio table made from two fiberglass cafeteria trays and copper tubing, and I'm sitting outside reading, sipping my coffee. Between writing e-mail and practicing. It's 72 degrees Fahrenheit/22 Celsius outside. Life is good. The more mundane is that I just got back last week from Australia where I attended the double reed conference in Melbourne and visited a friend in Adelaide. In a bit I'll spend a few hours playing duets with a friend. *** I just returned from physics teacher meetings at Sacramento State, where I was spared from having to associate with double reed players, either singly or in large groups. In my Prof. Cabbage guise, I gave a talk on the acoustics of the horn, concluding with a performance of See Spot Run, newly orchestrated for soprano, garden hose (in D), and string quartet. Tom Rossing, former president of the American Association of Physics Teachers, made a surprise guest apearance as Spot. Needless to say, there wasn't a dry seat in the house. Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Kohl de Chasse
If you live in the San Francisco Bay area, own a cor de chasse (or some sort of reasonably authentic hunting horn), and might consider loaning/renting it to me for a presentation I will be giving in Sacramento in early August, please contact me off-list. Many thanks. gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Popping frequency
Greg wrote I think the "pop tone" test is to be tested with the mouthpiece alone, not on the horn. ** Yes. When you do this with the mouthpiece on the horn, the sound you hear is strongly influenced by the instrument, rather than by the mouthpiece. gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Dennis Wick vs Cartouche vs Megamoose.
William B wondered My questions come in here. I've become reasonably convinced that 'pop tone' is an important consideration in the performance of any given mouthpiece design. What is 'proper' pop tone? What influence does mass of the mouthpiece have on the effect of pop tone? What factor does annealing play in the role of pop tone effect? *** By pop tone, I assume you mean the sound you hear when (for example) you hit the rim of the mouthpiece against the palm of your hand. When the mouthpiece volume is larger, the pop tone is lower in frequency. The most important effect of the cup of the mouthpiece is to amplify harmonics near the popping frequency. If the popping frequency is high, the mouthpiece will result in a brighter sound than if the popping frequency is low. Another effect is that a high popping frequency makes it a little easier to hit high notes. Yet another effect is that the acoustical length of a mouthpiece, which differs from its actual length, is affected by mouthpiece volume. So you may need to retune your horn when you switch from a shallow to a deep mouthpiece, even when they have the same actual length. The pop tone that is "proper" depends on what results you want. I would guess that the mass and the annealing of the mouthpiece are far less important than the volume. Most mouthpieces are pretty thick (compared to the bell and much of the cylindrical tubing of the horn) and small in diameter; this makes it difficult for the walls of the mp to vibrate very much. It is true that the pressure variations in the sound going through the narrowest part of the mp are greater than in any other part of the horn. Even so, I remain dubious that the effect would be very significant. I am unaware of any scientific studies that have been made on this, however. I think it is likely that a player would sense that one mp vibrates more than another; but this does not necessarily translate into a different in playing quality, IMO. Bill also wrote At a temperature, just short of the softening point, the atomic structure can move just enough that all the stresses are equalized. During a slow, uniform, drop in temperature, the crystal structure remains homogeneous, and at room temperature would be considered 'dead soft annealed'. Some times this process is repeated, but this time the metal is cooled very quickly once it reaches a predetermined temperature. This locks the entire crystal structure into the characteristic form for that temperature, and sets the metal to a 'harder' 'temper', that generally favors higher frequency vibrations. You might want to took at a book about copper and its alloys to learn more about the effects of heating and cooling the metal. Steel can be hardened by tempering; but brass does not show this effect. If you took some "soft annealed" brass and raised it to some temperature below the annealing temperature, you would detect no change in the softness of the metal. You stiffen brass by work-hardening. This may be why so many local thugs carry around horn mouthpieces instead of brass knuckles. Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Snakes usw.
Simple S wrote about horn cleaning By the way, if, like me, you have students using school horns, try putting a plain wooden (disposable) chopstick into the leadpipe, swirl it around (No, not the horn, Cabbage!) and show them what comes out. Then point out to them that the color of the gunk is important. Pale yellow/brown means it's new (i.e.. yours!) and only moderately rancid, but green/black is stuff left there by who knows how many predecessors, and many more generations of microbes! Next you just have to sort out who gets to use the snake first. Scope for a biology project here? *** The answer to your question is, Yes! Scope® would make a terrific topic for a biology project, particularly since Proctor and Gamble has just started marketing a complete line of Scope® Horn Fresheners. Available in a variety of yummy flavors - Fresh Mint, Cheery Cherry, Kruspe Kreme, Pepperoni Pizka, and Traditional Hemlock. So while all the other horns in your section suffer from brass breath, hornitosis, and inflamed water keys, your horn will be fresh, clean running, and sanitary - with Scope®! Gotta go, Cabbage (That's what you get for swirling ME around, Simon!) ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re:looking for web picture
Steven T wrote a picture of a digitally enhanced horn -- it looked like it had about 8 vavles. And Simple S replied In that case you'd need a digitally enhanced player to use it. :-) BTW, mine doesn't have any vavles at all! Is that natural? *** No. A horn without valves is natural. A horn without vavles is natuarl horn. You play it by moving your hnad around in the blel. Gotta go, Cabbgae ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] WWII Conns
Herb F wrote about Conn products during WWII: Not only were these companies diverted to producing war materials, but brass itself was an essential material. My first horn was a 1945 brass King double--a Kruspe copy with the upside down change valve. It must have been one of the first made after the war. Yeah, it pointed north. I had an old Conn single from the same era. Instead of a water key, it had a pin in the leadpipe. To empty the horn, you pulled the pin, counted to three, then lofted the horn toward the viola section. For a single, it sure was easy to blow. Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Horn players - SF Bay area
The Peninsula Symphony needs two horn players for a concert Sunday, June 13. The concert is in the south bay; rehearsal at 5:30; dinner; evening concert. The orchestra is playing about twenty minutes are part of a longer concert. Contact me for details. gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Rossini recording
Brian D wrote I am looking for recommendations on a recording of Rossini's "Prelude, Theme and Variations" for Horn and Piano. Any help is much appreciated. *** I recommend that you record it on a CD. Some people say that vinyl has better fidelity, but porgress is progress, you know. Glad to be helpful. Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] sympathetic vibes II
Larry J wrote Practicing long tones tonight, I noticed that on finishing a concert B-flat, the tone with overtones continued in the room for the longest time. Something in the room was continuing the tone. Upon checking all the areas and objects in the room, the vibrations were coming from the 27-inch Sony TV and my 17-inch computer monitor (both were off). The computer monitor's fundamental was 3rd line concert B-flat and the Sony TV's was an octave higher. The Monitor's audible vibration lasted for 20 seconds, with some overtones out of tune. I noticed these out of tune harmonics too, Larry. I bet you have a flat screen monitor, like I do. They don't make in tune screen monitors, but you can work around this difficulty by getting one of these puppies: http://www.sharpusa.com/products/TypeLanding/0,1056,s74,00.html Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] RE: Long, nice, last call
Cabbage (moi) suggested On the other hand, you could try playing the Long Call with all the alternative transpositions, rhythms, and articulations suggested in Kopprasch Etude 40. And ask the conductor to do the optional D.C. at the end of the opera, just to make Hans jealous. And Hans P (himself) replied Surely, it would be a nice call, but also your LAST CALL. ** I tried this last night, with Hans P standing next to me as I played backstage. For some reason, they nearly fired me afterwards, but when I pointed out how nice Hans said it was, they fired him instead. Whew! That certainly was a CLOSE CALL. gotta go, cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] The Lloonngg Ccaallll.....
Bob D wrote Well... I just discovered a simpler Long Call... just play the Short Call really, really, really s l o w l y. * On the other hand, you could try playing the Long Call it with all the alternative transpositions, rhythms, and articulations suggested in Kopprasch Etude 40. And ask the conductor to do the optional D.C. at the end of the opera, just to make Hans jealous. Gotta daemmerung, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Larry's Kerry'd away
Larry J wrote Being twice Cabbaged, I wear the awards with the pride of the owner of a John Kerry ribbon; however, I will never throw my leaves over the fence. So undeserving of twice-Cabbage status... happy embouchure happenings to all, *** Well, now you'll just have to throw those old medals away and get a new set, since you have been thrice-Cabbaged. Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Cabbage on the road
Prof Cabbage will once again take his portable act on the road, spreading physics and cheer to grateful multitudes along the way. Ingrates wishing to miss the physics and/or the cheer are advised to avoid Amherst MA next week; on Wednesday, May 5 he will address the Physics Department of the University of Massachusetts, and the next day he will speak to the Music Department. Those who have failed to miss one of his talks in the past will be delighted to learn that he has graciously consented to a request that he not perform the Beethoven Horn Sonata on either of these occasions. Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Hi C
Larry J wrote At age 56, after picking up the horn again four years ago after a 30-year layoff, today I reached high C for the first time in my life. I also got paid for my first gig. Well, life was good today. I am a bit embarrassed to post, but I made a promise to myself that I would post when, if ever, the high C was attained. ** Congratulations, Larry. You never told us how much your were paid. If they paid you $100, then you would have earned one C note per C note. Plus you have been blessed by your own posting from the Cabbage, yet another C note. Way cool. Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Quelle sourdine?
Walter L wrote I have on of John's mutes and I really like it. The price is very reasonable, and his workmanship is superb! A colleague came to rehearsal one evening and showed me her new Ion Balu, and the finish work was no where near as good as John's. My vote, hands down, buy one of John Kowalchuk's mutes... * Look, I know there have been a lot of electoral irregularities recently, but if you keep your hands down, how can we tell what your vote was? And don't tell me that you held a voice vote for mutes. Do you come from Florida? Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Stage fright
Hans P let us know about different kinds of stage fright: We have also to consider other sources for stage fright, as are family & health problems...So careful mild medication might help.. There is also a kind of stage fright, which is caused by the colleagues, who just wait for your "accident", - and demonstrate this "expectation" openly. Medication will not help here, but an "elephant skin" does.. There is another kind of stage fright which you probably haven't experienced in Munich, Hans. As I was playing Cosi fan tutte recently, I noticed the hall shaking for about five seconds during the first act finale. The second hornist said it was another earthquake, but I knew that it wasn't tectonic, but a genuine case of stage fright. This was a hall that had never been used for opera before, so quite naturally the stage was inexperienced - I don't think it was health problems - and so the stage suffered a brief bout of nervous shaking. No doubt it calmed itself down by noticing the dummkopfs in the cast and the sauer kraut in the pit. Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Stage fright
Hans P wrote Stage fright & stage fright are not always the same. ** I have always made sure that my students understand this distinction. Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Stage fright
Mike G suggested this book: Stage Fright in Music Performance and Its Relationship to the Unconscious ** Though I have occasionally suffered from a little stage fright, I have never been so badly affected that it made me unconscious. Nevertheless, if you have this problem, then this is the book for you. Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] RE: High notes
Steve M wrote A suggestion along those lines from Dave Krebiehl was to try to "miss the note". Have the sound of the high note you're going to play clearly in mind then, instead of elaborately preparing and screwing up your chops, you take a breath and play with no preparation and mentally try to miss. It's amazing how clearly and easily the right note comes out! Paradoxically, it's almost impossible to miss. This can lead to a real epiphany about the type of effort needed for playing high notes. * This happens because we spend so much of our practice time learning to hit the correct notes. Naturally, this makes it hard to difficult to miss notes when you want to. But I promise that if you practice missing notes just ten minutes a day, then within a month you will be able to miss any note you want. Well, maybe every now and then you'll play a correct note by mistake; but keep practicing and concentrating, and soon you'll be able miss every note reliably and with relatively little effort. Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] How to remove a posting
Roxanne H wondered I posted a question on the Horn list, and I have received all of the info that I need. How do I remove the posting? *** Sorry for your problem, Roxanne! Luckily, you can remove unwanted postings these days using modern, safe laser techniques. Unfortunately, these methods are pretty expensive, and sometimes they will leave a faint discoloration. This is why it's wise to think twice before committing yourself to a permanent posting on the horn list. Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] New Invention
Hans P wrote ...I would replace the guy in front using his stick for some kind of aerobic, but earning much money. * Your wishes have been answered, Hans. rtsp://cds101.bit-drive.ne.jp/shp/02-38-QR105.rm Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] pumpen irony
William V wrote Surely there are some in the Valley who say "Cali-for-nigh-ay" At any rate, your governor may pump Iron, but the Viennese are busy 'pumpen' horns... Hyuk hyuk hyuk... ** William, I forsee a brilliant future for you as a stand up comedian. So if you're in Cal-i-for-no-way next month, let me know, and we'll let you join us on the last page of Mahler's First. Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Pumping irony
Mke K had this to say to Hans P BTW Professor Pizka, actually I'm not that big, I'm 5'8 so far and weigh only 142 lbs. My cousins are bigger. My grandma and mom say im to skinny...:-(, but I'm workin out, or at least tryin to. I wish horn playing *Arnold Schwarzannegar? accent* pumped me up. Hey Mike, don't get so excited about that Arnie S accent. Our governor is the only person in the state who pronounces "California" with five syllables. Unfortunately, the funding isn't even adequate for four. Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Teaching musicality
Cathryn C wrote about learning musicality While it is true that you can't learn musicianship from a book, it's nice to have some of these sometimes very abstract concepts in writing to help me find the words when expressing them to others. ** Everything I know about playing the horn musically I learned from Paul A. M. Dirac's book, The Principles of Quantum Mechanics. Many's the time I find myself quoting this book as I help my horn students solve difficult problems with their playing. Dirac may not have soloed in a famous orchestra like Farkas, and he may have been lacking something in humility, but you hafta admit, his book ten times better than Farkas' book, especially when you consider the binding. Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] That's not got much spam in it.
Michael wrote Im starting my own small organization against marching bands that force students to march, its called PAMBFSTM (People Against Marching Bands Forcing Students To March) does it sound catchy? ** Real catchy, Mike! In fact, you should organize a protest march. You could call it the People Against Marching Bands Forcing Students To March March. And you could hold it eleven months from now, calling it the People Against Marching Bands Forcing Students To March March March. I can hardly wait! Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] attacked by a roomful of sedated turtles?
David G recently underwent a near-life experience: > I recently stumbled upon Russian Orthodox > Choral music. If you know the genre, you know > that a lot of it is constructed of very lush, slowly > morphing thick chords sung by large choirs that > can produce a euphoric feeling not unlike floating > in molasses or getting attacked by a roomful of > sedated turtles. And Bear W wondered WHAT has he been smoking? Wagner's Parsifal, unfiltered. Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Horn section for hire
Lawrence said subject: [Hornlist] Horn section for hire? On Friday I will be playing the Mozart Wind Serenades in Preston. The programme has been printed by someone from the venue and lists the instruments: 2 oboes; 2 clarinets; 2 bassoons and 2 hors. Should be an interesting gig! This is clearly an authentic performance. I remember that Lowell G told me that au naturel hornists in Mozart's time favored instruments with painted belles. Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] RE: F****h vibrato
Laurent wrote The only earth double salt that I take cerously is with tequila. Isn't CMN a liberal mouthpiece? sorry..I was thinking about CNN. * CMN, CNN, it doesn't matter, Larry, I won't use any mouthpiece, no matter how liberal, if it doesn't fit my horn's leadpipe. Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Phonetics
Jim T wondered We're singing Haydn's 3rd Mass and since there are no horn parts I get to sing. But a question has come up regarding the pronounciation of a word often repeated in the piece. If it's the same as Italian which in this case I thought it was, the Latin word 'pacem' is pronounced using English phonetics 'pah-chame' --- but I'm hearing it's not from a Latin teacher in the group...instead she says in Latin it's 'pah-chem'. Which is right? Thanks, Jim The second is a more accurate representation of the vowel sound, according to Roman usage. However, Haydn would not have approved of the "ch" sound in this word. The Austro-German pronunciation of Latin (in the era of Haydn, Mozart, and Beethoven) used the sound "ts" instead. A good resource on this topic is Ron Jeffers Translation and Annotations of Choral Repertoire, Vol. I. Gotta go, Tsabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Crime and punishment
Chris T wrote In all seriousness, I bet most of us never heard of "factory dust" or lapping compound in new horns until the recent hornlist posts. If it were really a problem, wouldn't it have been brought to the general horn-public's attention much earlier? As it happens, Chris, I have several bags of factory dust* here in my office. Send me your address, and I'll be glad to send you some so that you can get caught up on this problem. Each bag comes with a special reusable baster-style applicator so that you can easily reach those hard-to-get spots in your new horn. Gotta go, Cabbage *Actually, it's academic dust, not factory dust, but the principle is pretty much the same. ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Factory defects, and something you can do about it
Bill Bamberg wondered Has anyone out there gotten a new horn they were happy with? * Yes. I bought a Paxman Cor d'Orchestra 18 years ago, and the valves have never given me the slightest problem. And the high C crook is perfect for my garden hose. Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] A crook story
Last month I had the pleasure of performing Cosi fan tutte on natural horn. None of the other orchestra players played an authentic instrument - but it was not so polished a production that my hand horn stood out. Pleasure faded when disaster struck. During the fifth performance, just before the first act finale, I discovered that I couldn't remove the A crook. Oof! I fled the pit, and struggled some more with the horn, failing to remove the crook, but wrecking it in the process. I rushed home and retrieved my valvehorn, returning in time for the downbeat to the second act. A week later, a local repairperson was able to remove the crook. The corpus of the horn was okay, but the crook was, in the immortal words of the late Richard Nixon, not A crook. So I shipped it off to distant parts where former crooks reform their ways. Yesterday it reappeared on my doorstep, ready once again to do serious mischief to Beethoven's Seventh Symphony, and polished to a dazzling brilliance that puts my other crooks to shame. So, hand horn people, check out Eccles. 7:13 and consider yourself warned. gotta go, cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Re: Opinionated Advice On eBay
Hans P wrote BTW, what is an "rank amateur" ? I have seen "horses vomiting" ! ** Hans, Hans, you are at a great disadvantage. Having played horn professionally for over 40 years, you of course lack the experience and insight necessary to comprehend fully the world of amateur horn playing. Otherwise, you would understand that one of the ways we amateur hornists distinguish among ourselves is by how rank we are. Just as it has taken you many years and considerable experience to ascend into the upper echelon of professional horn players, so too has it taken me years and years of dilligently ineffective and inattentive performing and practicing to plumb the heights of the horn world to become, as I am, an amateur of the utmost rank. And proud of it! You know, Hans, every horse has two ends. Are you sure you actually understood which end of the horse you were seeing? Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Haydn Horn concerto
Hans P wrote Today, German TV EinsFestival announced the No.6 Symphony by the Austrian composer Anton Bruckner, the symphony also named "Pastorale". Wow, that's utterly Pathetique, isn't it Hans? Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Horns for middle school
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Believe it or not, their 'custom' cars won't pass basic safety requirements required by our illustrious government agencies, so they are not street legal. David J answered And yet they can hit a wall at 180 mph, roll over more times than I do in a single night's sleep, fly 40 yards, [all this in a minute or two,] and the drivers walk away with only some bruises. ** Gee, that reminds me of the last time I played Mozart K. 447 on natural horn. I never would have survived the candenza without those roll bars. Too bad about all the people in the front row. gotta go, cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] RE: Horns for middle school
Josh C wrote I never said I couldn't play in tune on one. I can play in tune on a garden hose with a funnel jammed in the end. I said they were "notoriously difficult to play in tune". Glad you've got my problem all figured out though. Now if I can just figure out which end to put the mouthpiece in... * Try the opposite end from the funnel, Josh, unless it's already attached to a faucet, in which case, don't bother. Speaking of which, my opera Fun with Dick and Jane, which features a solo garden hose (in D) in the famed aria See Spot Run will be staged in San Francisco this August. I am sure that many hornlist members will be anxious to make reservations to visit Bayreuth that month. Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Leaky slides
Mike wrote Hello everyone, I noticed on my new yamaha 668NDII that it seems like water leaks from the main f tuning slide. I emptied some water while practicing, and when I was going to again I grabbed the slide and the metal felt wet. I think it might be that when I was replacing the slide a drop of water from inside the horn fell on the edge of the slide, and when i replaced it, the water hadnt yet run down the slide to my hand. Just wondering if any of you have experienced water leaking out from your slides, and is it a serious problem. I'm surprised that this would occur in a new horn. Condensational incontinence is more usual in middle aged horns. If you get a copy of Kegel's Quinze Exercises Nouvelles pour Cor and include it in your daily routine, you should be able to solve this problem without surgical intervention. Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Cabbage on the Road
For the second time in less than a year, Prof. Cabbage will visit Indiana. Those who missed his presentation at Indiana University last summer are sure to welcome this additional opportunity to avoid it at Butler University this weekend. For details, check out http://www.butler.edu/midwesthorn/ Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Count Sporck
Hans P wrote Funny & interesting to note, that nobody reacted to the message below, which I sent two weeks ago. (One of Hans P's customers proved to be a direct descendent of Count Sporck) Might be, most or all of you have never heard about that name & the importance for the horn development or the development of the horn music. Count Franz Anton Sporck is said to have brought the first hunting horns to Bohemia when returning from his visit at the Versailles Castle of Louis XIV. in 1680, himself age 16 then. *** Those of us who have read FitzPatrick's book on the history of the horn are well aware of Sporck. Please let us know when you meet him, and let us know what you discover. Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Mut-zart
Hans P wrote But Motz-art remains Motz-art and not Mozart. One has to know the spelling of at least the most prominent composers for our instrument as: Richy Wach-nar, Rick Struss, Paul Hundemued, Benjy Britton, Joe Heiden. * Not to mention correctly spelling the names of legendary horn players such as Ignaz Leutbug, Phil Fakras, Giovanni Pinto, Dennis Brian, and Hans Pizza. Gotta go, Cabagge ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Mot-zart
Hans P, who is still alive and well - actually, I don't know how still he is, but he certainly is alive and well - wrote: Lucy aked for a copy of "Motzart" no.3 concerto. This is the cutest typo. ** Yes, isn't that cute? Actually, Lucy meant to ak for a copy of concerto no. 2. Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Bozza En foret
A friend of mine had the following questions. I am working up Bozza's En foret for a recital this spring, and came up with a question: Do the markings sons naturels indicate that the passages so annotated be played as if on a natural horn That marking appears in the Leduc edition (i) in the recitative between rehearsal numbers 4 and 5; (ii) at 5, and (iii) at 7. The first two appear after passages marked sons bouches, suggesting that sons naturels simply means "open;" however, the marking at 7 appears after a passage (the quotation of Victimae paschali laudes ) which is apparently to be played open. Moreover, the next sound marking is a plein son at 8, suggesting that sons naturels might mean something other than simply "open." The only recording I have heard of this piece is Cerminaro's; he plays the sons naturels passages in ordinary open fashion on the valved horn. He makes no use of the natural horn sound anywhere in the piece . Considering that En foret is attributed to be a contest piece (pour cor chromatique ), it seems to me that the composer would have intended to include at least one passage in natural horn style. Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] The Physics of Cabbage
Prof. Cabbage is about to go on the road. Dr. Holmes will talk about how the different parts of a brass instrument contribute to the sound it makes. Alan C wrote Wish I could be there. I expect the Holmes will be greater than the sum of the parts. Yes, the talk will include numerous examples of the Cabbage's Holmespun humor. Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] horn and chorus
Choralnet has posted a listing of works for horn and chorus. Here is the link http://choralnet.org/resources/viewResource.phtml?id=2076&lang=en gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Cabbage on the road
Prof Cabbage will take his esteemed Road Show to New England this week, giving talks in Watertown MA and at Osmun's shop on the 20th and 21st. Those who require specific instructions for missing these talks are encouraged to contact the Prof. off list. I hope to borrow a natural horn so that I don't have to travel with mine. If any list members in the Boston area can locate, loan, or lease a Paxman Cor d'Orchestre (my first choice) for me, I would be quite grateful. Whether the citizens of Watertown will be equally grateful when they hear my "performance" of the Mozart Horn Quintet is somewhat dubious. Many thanks. Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Perfectly executed recording
Prof. I. M. G wrote >From The Voice of Reason: Orchestra releases CD with 11 silent tracks The real Sound of Silence The New Barton Silent Symphony Orchestra has released a CD containing 11 tracks of complete silence. The tracks include a silent version of the classic Beastie Boys song Fight For Your Right To Party, the delicious Meditation On An Apple Pie, and the critically ignored Porn On Fast Forward. * Of course, a CD recording of this kind will not capture the fidelity, accuracy, and ambience of a vinyl recording. I still cherish my old LP (by Prof. IMG himself, I believe) of the Music Minus One recording of the Bach Cello Suites in the Wendell Hoss transcription. (With all the repeats. Unbelievable!) Not in the MMO catalogue any more, alas, but well worth the premium price you may pay if you can locate one on line or at a used record store. gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Further correction
William wrote > Actually, with today's technology MDs are a little behind the times. They > still work though but they can be a pain to transfer to digital. Correction again that should be "they can be a pain to transfer to the computer". No kidding. I tried to transfer my doctor to a computer, and boy, was it a painful experience, especially for him. Maybe it would have been easier if my digits were stronger, or if the slot in my computer were larger. Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
