Re: [hugin-ptx] Drone Pano Scripting - Cannot get rid of the Black Hole Sky

[RizThon]

You may want to search in Hugin mailing list for "Fill clear sky update".

It refers to https://github.com/weltyj/SkyFill

Looking at the tutorial with pictures
https://github.com/weltyj/SkyFill/blob/main/Tutorial/SkyFill_tutorial_v1.md
this is probably what you want. I do not know how difficult it is to use
(and I guess compile) the tool is.

Le mar. 22 août 2023 à 14:18, Bruno Postle  a écrit :

> On Tue, 22 Aug 2023, 04:34 PanoSeek wrote:
>
>>
>> The closest I found was Bruno talking about the l-29 setting for enblend
>> - https://groups.google.com/g/hugin-ptx/c/aghpJeyIvQo/m/k6iOJVImjskJ - I
>> did attempt Bruno's solution, but got an error about couldn't do 29, could
>> only do 9 and some errors that said 10.  So I tweaked the setting to 9
>> (#hugin_enblendOptions -l 9) and ran it.  No errors, but no change to the
>> image that I could tell...still have big black hole sky.
>>
>
> This technique is basically to create a new fake blue photo, add it to the
> set at yaw=90, and hope that enblend will smooth out the transition. You
> need as many enblend levels as possible for maximum smoothing (the
> parameter should be -l 27, my mistake), the patch photo needs a big enough
> angle of view to cover the whole black area, but all skys are different so
> you won't be able to use the same shade of blue on all panoramas.
>
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Re: [hugin-ptx] Basic newbie question

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I usually use a mask if I find a visible discontinuity like you have. The
problem is that it's quite trial and error. If you're lucky, then the new
panorama will look good. If not, you may realize there's a new visible
discontinuity somewhere else! In your case, there's grass next to the path,
so a discontinuity there will not be as obvious. The house may cause more
issues. So I guess you just need to try and see what you get.

Le mer. 9 août 2023 à 04:53, Daniel Md  a écrit :

> Thanks Sean, that looks quite good. I examined the masks and it seems to
> me the philosophy you used was to segregate out areas of strong lines
> (where discontinuities are easily caught by the eye) to single photos. Is
> this correct?
>
> On Tue, Aug 8, 2023 at 2:29 AM Sean Greenslade 
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Aug 08, 2023 at 07:27:17AM +0200, Gunter Königsmann wrote:
>> > To me it looks like the camera hasn't only changed the angle it shot
>> the images from, but also was moved horizontally, which means that one
>> cannot warp the images in a way that they fit together in all places at
>> once. Often Hugin Manages to move these discontinuities to places where
>> they are hard to see.  But that often requires the images to overlap
>> strongly in order to give hugin more possibilities to place the seams.
>> >
>> > One important thing I had to learn was not to tilt the camera around
>> its center, but around the center of the lens.
>>
>> I'm inclined to agree with Gunter, it looks like there's some
>> perspective warping between the photos. It would be best to try and
>> re-shoot with proper nodal rotation.
>>
>> That said, you can somewhat recover from these sorts of issues with an
>> aggressive application of masks to force the seams into less noticeable
>> spots. The grass is a perfect candidate for this. I took a quick stab at
>> your pto, check out the results:
>>
>> https://seangreenslade.com/tmp/2023-08-07/newt.pto
>>
>> https://seangreenslade.com/tmp/2023-08-07/newt.jpg
>>
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Re: [hugin-ptx] Basic newbie question

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As Gunter said, to avoid having those issues, you must be careful when
taking the pictures.

The best thing is to have a tripod, and be able to keep the center of the
lens at the same place between each shot. With handheld shots, try to
rotate around the camera, instead of rotating the camera around you.

For your current pictures, it seems pictures IMPG9882.JPG and IMPG9883.JPG
couldn't be mixed/fused properly. You could try to add a mask on one of
those pictures, to force Hugin to use data of a single picture (see Hugin
tutorial — Blend masks
). For ex you
add an include mask on IMPG9883.JPG along the path and up to the house.
Note that you'll probably still have issues in other places, but if it's in
the grass or trees, it may be less visible.

Le mar. 8 août 2023 à 13:27, Gunter Königsmann 
a écrit :

> To me it looks like the camera hasn't only changed the angle it shot the
> images from, but also was moved horizontally, which means that one cannot
> warp the images in a way that they fit together in all places at once.
> Often Hugin Manages to move these discontinuities to places where they are
> hard to see.  But that often requires the images to overlap strongly in
> order to give hugin more possibilities to place the seams.
>
> One important thing I had to learn was not to tilt the camera around its
> center, but around the center of the lens.
>
> Kind regards, Gunter
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Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Wondering what I'm doing wrong

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Did you read about parallax error?
https://hugin.sourceforge.io/docs/manual/No-parallax_point.html

Basically when taking the pictures, don't rotate the camera around you, but
rotate around the camera, to try to leave the camera at the same place for
each picture. This is especially important when you take pictures of things
close to you, which is what you tried.

If you have a tripod and you can move the camera forward/backward, you can
try to find the best position around which to rotate your camera to
minimize parallax error as much as possible.

Le jeu. 18 mai 2023 à 10:27, 'Sussy OS' via hugin and other free panoramic
software  a écrit :

> Can anyone please help?
>
> On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 3:45:23 PM UTC-5 Sussy OS wrote:
>
>> Here is another example on a bigger scale:
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_ADF6kgp1aP_2Yn0tOSTGaFkCjeVr9kL/view?usp=sharing
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 3:23:04 PM UTC-5 Sussy OS wrote:
>>
>>> Hello, I just downloaded Hugin recently, and it worked fine for
>>> stitching two images side by side, but if I try to do images where I zoom
>>> into the details (see examples below) it tuns out all blurry. Can anybody
>>> help me to use Hugin correctly? I'm using the Sony Cyber-shot DSC-W220
>>> Optical SteadyShot 12.1 MP camera for my images. EXAMPLE:
>>> https://imgur.com/a/kh6duzM
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Re: [hugin-ptx] pan vs. 3D

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No. Hugin is more to stitch pictures together to get a bigger picture, eg
to create a wide panorama.

Le mar. 14 juin 2022 à 23:03, tom f <4tomflem...@gmail.com> a écrit :

> Before I download this software. I'm looking for an application that will
> take three images from three locations and generate an interactive 3D view
> of the selected object. Does Hugin have this capability?
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Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Hugin 2021.0 beta 1

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> abort: push creates new remote head 78598c26c57c!

I guess it means some changes are on the server but not on your local
repository, and you have to pull and merge before pushing your changes.

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Re: [hugin-ptx] Image Stitching and Exposure Fusion with pv

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>
> Of course one can ignore the warning, but I'll go the 'roundabout' way
> anyway, just to be on the safe side. It'll just take a little longer.
> And I'll have to adapt your script to the folder structure on my
> machine. Please bear with me!
>

It's possible to give the URL of the exe from dropbox directly to virustotal

https://www.virustotal.com/gui/url/308a5a344e192809b8490e8299f06776975bd064dc5f1f958a4cc176b5fa24e8/detection

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Re: [hugin-ptx] Request : forum migration

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I'm using a discourse site and I see in the settings "Enable mailing list
mode".

It seems to be possible to reply or even create new threads through email:
-https://meta.discourse.org/t/set-up-reply-via-email-support/14003
- https://meta.discourse.org/t/configuring-reply-via-email-e-mail/42026

It also seems to be possible to import your google group emails data to
discourse:
https://meta.discourse.org/t/importing-mailing-lists-mbox-listserv-google-groups-emails/79773

Something nice with discourse is that you can create categories and then
only ask to get notifications from specific categories (people need of
course to use the correct categories when posting).

The discourse interface is from my point of view way better than google
groups, but migrating to discourse will probably be quite some work and a
change for all people used to the mailing list

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Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Programming new projections

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https://wiki.panotools.org/Nona

2017-06-21 3:35 GMT+08:00 Roland Karlsson :
> BTW - what is the relation between hugin and nona? Are the different tools
> that both use libpano (and other stuff)?
>
> And in that case - which one to use?
>
> /Roland
>
>
>
> On Sunday, June 18, 2017 at 11:16:52 PM UTC+2, Roland Karlsson wrote:
>>
>> Hi.
>>
>> Mathmap is a general transformation tool for images. It might take an
>> already rendered pano, probably in eqvirectangular view, and then converts
>> it to some projections of your choice. You write a script that do it for
>> you.
>>
>> The scripts look a but hairy, but it is probably just a small threshold
>> for understanding what to do. One thing that sounds a bit scary is though
>> that there is lots of talk about the tool crashing for your scripts.
>>
>> There is a simpler, similar tool called Panojector.
>> https://github.com/vitroid/Panojector where you add actual code instead of a
>> script.
>>
>> There is also a similar commercial tool that is made for only do this kind
>> of conversions called Flexify. http://www.flamingpear.com/flexify-2.html In
>> this case you cannot add any projections.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, June 18, 2017 at 5:46:15 PM UTC+2, Erik Krause wrote:
>>>
>>> Am 17.06.2017 um 20:45 schrieb Roland Karlsson:
>>>
>>> > In the best of worlds I could define a projection easily whenever I
>>> > want
>>> > one:)
>>>
>>> Isn't this more easily done with mathmap?
>>>
>>> https://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/schani/mathmap/
>>>
>>> See here for examples:
>>> https://www.flickr.com/groups/40193487@N00/discuss/72157604625488382/
>>>
>>> --
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>>> http://www.erik-krause.de
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Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: What is a good computer for running hugin?

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I don't know what Hugin uses, but for image/video processing, GPUs are way
faster than CPUs. So if you have an app that can make use of the power of
the GPU, you may want to consider buying a better graphic card (or even
cards) rather than paying for a better processor.

That's why people used to link several PS3 together:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3_cluster


2014-03-13 13:29 GMT+08:00 Brandan :

> I agree with David, get as much RAM as you can afford and your system will
> allow. As for the number of cores, I'm of the opinion that more cores are
> better, even if they're a little slower. Honestly, when you consider the
> speeds modern processors run at and the relatively small amount of work
> CPFind/Hugin/Enblend have to do, the CPU frequency doesn't matter that
> much. It would matter if you were doing calculations on humongous amounts
> of data that take hours or days to complete. Other things to consider a
> CPU, beyond the clock frequency, are: cache size (the more the better, the
> amount of cache is one feature that distinguishes Intel's server chips from
> their desktop chips), how much energy it consumes, whether integrated
> graphics is important to you (I'm not a big gamer, so having an external
> graphics card isn't very important to me), or overclocking, support for
> virtualization (I like to experiment with virtual machines, so this was
> important to me), and other nifty feature in some Intel chips such as
> wireless display (but you have to have an adapter for your tv), or vPro.
> Sorry, I probably just made the process of buying a CPU a little more
> difficult for you, didn't I?
>
> Your OS will always be handling dozens of processes at a time, so the more
> cores your system has, the better the OS can distribute them (at least in
> theory :)
>
> -Jeff
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> posting it? It appears I don't have access to it anymore.
>
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Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Hugin translators for version 2013.0.0: Please rise for the new task

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> In POEdit you should be able to simply sort the translations by their
>> "types" (ie translated, untranslated or fuzzy).
>>
>
> The current stable version is Poedit 1.5.5, see http://www.poedit.net and
> https://github.com/vslavik/**poedit/blob/master/NEWS
>
> In 1.4.6 I see no way how to manually sort strings in a po file, it's done
> automagically in the order untranslated / fuzzy / translated. Poedit sorts
> again as soon as you save. That's the behaviour on OS X.
>
Clicking on the column "Translation" doesn't do anything, but in the "View"
menu you can choose to order by file order, source or translation. You can
also select "untranslated entries first".
I just installed 1.5.5 on Windows and by default I have "sort by
translation" and "untranslated entries first". So I first have
untranslated, then fuzzy (in color), then untranslated.

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Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Hugin translators for version 2013.0.0: Please rise for the new task

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2013/3/4 Carlos Eduardo G. Carvalho (Cartola) 

> Hi,
>
> is there an easy way to list in the poedit or other tool the messages that
> are untranslated or fuzzy? I tried with poedit 1.4.6 under FreeBSD and
> didn't find a filter or something like that.
>
In POEdit you should be able to simply sort the translations by their
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Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: fast preview panorama doesn't work on windows 8

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I just installed Win 8 Pro (x64) to try it. I downloaded
Hugin_2012.0.0_64bit_Windows.7z

At 1st glew told me
*OpenGL version 1.1.0 is supported*
*GL_VERSION_1_1:OK*
with the rest MISSING (I didn't try Hugin then).

I updated the graphic drivers using Windows Update. Now glew says
*OpenGL version 4.2.0 is supported*
with maybe 50% OK and 50% MISSING, but the few ones required by Hugin are
OK.

I tried an 8 horizontal pictures pano (full frame fisheye) that I already
did before. I simply drop the pictures, select full frame fisheye, then
click "2. Align...". Everything works fine and I see the fast preview. I
can play with the Panosphere.

Then I go to Stitcher, select JPEG 95 quality and click "Stich!".

I eventually get an enblend error I never saw before:
"G:/Hugin 2012.0.0/bin/enblend" --compression=95 -w -f7596x2779+0+110 -o
"DSC_5941-DSC_5948.jpg" -- "DSC_5941-DSC_5948.tif"
"DSC_5941-DSC_59480001.tif" "DSC_5941-DSC_59480002.tif"
"DSC_5941-DSC_59480003.tif" "DSC_5941-DSC_59480004.tif"
"DSC_5941-DSC_59480005.tif" "DSC_5941-DSC_59480006.tif"
"DSC_5941-DSC_59480007.tif"
*The application has failed to start because its side-by-side configuration
is incorrect. Please see the application event log or use the command-line
sxstrace.exe tool for more detail.*
make: *** [DSC_5941-DSC_5948.jpg] Error 1
Checking the Windows Logs/Application is see 2 errors:

Activation context generation failed for "G:\Hugin 2012.0.0\bin\enblend.exe".
Dependent Assembly
Microsoft.VC90.OpenMP,processorArchitecture="amd64",publicKeyToken="1fc8b3b9a1e18e3b",type="win32",version="9.0.21022.8"
could not be found. Please use sxstrace.exe for detailed diagnosis.

Activation context generation failed for "G:\Hugin 2012.0.0\bin\enfuse.exe".
Dependent Assembly
Microsoft.VC90.OpenMP,processorArchitecture="amd64",publicKeyToken="1fc8b3b9a1e18e3b",type="win32",version="9.0.21022.8"
could not be found. Please use sxstrace.exe for detailed diagnosis.
I then installed Microsoft Visual C++ 2010 SP1 Redistributable Package x64,
now I have 3 errors (enblend, then enfuse, then enblend again). Looks like
it wasn't 2010 that was missing.

So I then installed Microsoft Visual C++ 2008 SP1 Redistributable Package
x64 and now the stitching completes with no problem.

HTH

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Re: [hugin-ptx] Rectilinear or fisheye lens: which is better?

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>   Ultra wide-angle 8mm fisheye lens with exaggerated perspective and
>   approximately 180° angle of view, for dramatic effects
>
>   Ultra-wide 139.3° diagonal field-of-view for 4/3 size image formats
>
Of course if you use the same lens with different sensor size, the result
will be different. That's why the Nikkor 10.5 on a small sensor has a 180°
diagonal while on a fullframe sensor the HFOV is around 180°.


> Did you read the article?  It specifies numerous different
> projections.  And the difference between 140° and 180° can't be
> attributed just to distortion.
>
Indeed:
"The angle of view of a fisheye lens is usually between 100 and 180 degrees[
1]  while
the focal lengths  depend
on the film
format  they are designed for."

At least now you should have a better idea whether or not you want that
fisheye lens! I have a fullframe fisheye and it's quite practical to only
take 6 pictures horizontally (I have a pano head so I also take a zenith,
but I always have issues stitching the nadir, as the shot is handheld to
avoid seeing the tripod).

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Re: [hugin-ptx] Rectilinear or fisheye lens: which is better?

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> Indeed.  This is what has been puzzling me.  There are two different 8
> mm fisheyes available for Olympus: the relatively expensive 8 mm f/3.5
> from Olympus, and the 8 mm f/3.5 from various rebadgers (Bower,
> Samyang, Rokinon).  The former costs about $800 and has a full 180°
> diagonal angle of view.  The latter costs about $300, and from the
> specs state an angle of 139.3° on Four Thirds.  From what I've read it
> will only give a full diagonal 180° on APS-C cameras.
>
I feel like the full 180° *diagonal* angle of view from Olympus and the
139.5° (as it's not specified it should be horizontal, which is what is
normally used) from Bower ends up being almost the same (you computed for a
fullframe fisheye 144°)


> Since my last message I've been reading a bit about fisheyes, and it
> seems that, like Hugin, there are various projections.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fisheye_lens&action=edit§ion=12
> gives some information, though I'm still trying to digest it.

Each lens displays what it "sees", and there are usually distortions
compared to reality. So even with "normal" non fisheye / non very wide
angles, you have distortions. Those distortions are directly linked to the
way the lens is built, and thus different lenses with the same FOV will
have different distortions (even if they are not really noticeable).


>  At least one of the images appears to show a horizontal angle of more
> than 180°.  If anybody knows more details, I'd be interested.
>
For me a real fisheye lens should have at least a diagonal of 180° for FF,
or a full 180° circle for circular (or at least quite close to 180°). It's
possible that some vendors use the term fisheye just because of the look of
the pictures you can take.
Note also that some lenses have an angle of more than 180° (there's the
huge Nikkor 6mm with a 220° angle, meaning you starts seeing what's behind
you! Or the full frame fisheye Nikkor 10.5mm made for small sensors, but
that actually has an angle of a little bit more than 180° when used on a
full frame camera).

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Re: [hugin-ptx] Rectilinear or fisheye lens: which is better?

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2012/11/29 Greg 'groggy' Lehey 

> Partially.  The 9 mm has:
>
> Horizontal FOV:  87.73°
> Diagonal FOV:   100.49°
> Vertical FOV:71.68°
>
> I don't have a formula for fisheyes, so I can't give the output of my
> program, but I'm told that it has 180° on the diagonal.  Being a
> fisheye, this *should* mean (on a 4:3 aspect ratio) a horizontal FOV
> of 144° and a vertical FOV of 108°.  That's a long way from the 9 mm.
>
There can indeed be a big difference between a 9mm rectilinear lens and an
8mm fisheye lens, even if 9 doesn't sound that far from 8. It's also
possible to have fisheyes from different vendors with different mm, even if
they are all fullframe or circular.



> I also get the same results whether I select "full frame fisheye" or
> "circular fisheye".  What's the difference?
>
I find it weird that it gives the same result...

A fullframe fisheye gives you an image corresponding to the biggest
rectangle (because your sensor is a rectangle) in a circle, that's why the
diagonals are 180°, but horizontal and especially vertical won't be as much.

A circular fisheye will give you the biggest circle on your rectangular
sensor. So you'll see a circular image with 180° in all directions, but
around that circle you'll have black part, because no light ended up on
those parts of the sensor.

Theoritically, with a circular fisheye, you could only need 2 pictures,
while with a fullframe you'd need a few more.

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Re: [hugin-ptx] Help needed for 2012.0 release cycle

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2012/7/20 Terry Duell :
> On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:41:33 +1000, Terry Duell  wrote:
> abort: push creates new remote head 9fe55826d3e1!
> hint: did you forget to merge? use push -f to force

It usually means that you don't have the latest changes from the server.
So you should first pull the latest changes from the server, then
merge them (locally), then commit your merge (locally), then push to
the server.

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Re: [hugin-ptx] Memory allocation issue still not resolved w 64 bit version

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I've had the same problem and found other messages about it in the
mailing list. They all concern Win7 64 bits and I feel we all have
enough RAM (4 to 8GB). As soon as I have time I'll retry again with a
new version on a Win7 64 with 4GB RAM, and another one with 8GB. If I
find an XP 64 and 32 I'll try on them too.

Message "[hugin-ptx] Hugin - No control points" by George Mahoney on 6/17/11

While attempting to align images I get a long list of the following
error messages...

Analysing i1:
An error occurred while loading image: Caught exception: Bad
allocation

Analysing i2:
An error occurred while loading image: Caught exception: Bad
allocation

It happens to each photo and the end result is that no control points
are found between any images, no matter how seemingly obvious the
images are overlapped. I'm running 64 bit windows 7. I've reinstalled
hugin to no avail, and tried several different control point settings.
Am I missing something?

Message "RE:[hugin-ptx] Hugin - No control points" by me on 10/31/11

I have the same issue here (except there's no error with the 1st
images, only after 7 or 8). I'm also running Win7 64 (i3 2100, 4GB
RAM). I've tried several hugin installers (latest one being 2011.02 64
bits). I always use the default settings (and ask the settings to be
reset while installing a new version).

>I'll ask some questions, maybe we can find a solution:
>- What kind of images are you trying to align?

My images are all 3872x2592 (taken with FF fisheye). Usually if I have
7 or 8 images all works fine (I load the images, choose FF fisheye
then click "Align..." and get a good pano). If I have more I get
Analysing ix:
An error occurred while loading image: Caught exception: Bad allocation
for the next pictures.

If I resize my pics to be 1000x669 then I can correctly stitch 24
images (8 towards the horizon, 8 30° up, 8 30° down).
By the way, is there a way to reuse the pto that I created with the
smaller resolution images? It looks like when I choose "Apply
Template" with the big resolution images, I lose all the control
points.


>- Could you provide us with a sample set of your images, so we can
>test ourselves?

I can send you the pics if necessary.

>- I remember seeing recent posts on the mailing list where users
>seemed to have troubles with windows 7, are you using a beta or an
>official release version?

I've been using Hugin before with XP and didn't encounter that issue
(I was using a different computer).

Message "[hugin-ptx] autopano-sift-c" by Adam Weld on 11/30/11 (he's
running Win7 64 with 8GB of RAM)

In total the panorama has 75 images, when I load only a couple CPFind
seems to work, otherwise I get this output:

Finding control points...
"C:/Program Files (x86)/Hugin/bin/icpfind" -o
"C:/Users/Adam/AppData/Local/Temp/ha60F7.tmp"
"C:/Users/Adam/AppData/Local/Temp/ha60F7.tmp"
Hugins cpfind 2011.2.0.3d9649aa241a built by Matthew Petroff
based on Pan-o-matic by Anael Orlinski

Project contains the following images:
Image 0
  Imagefile: C:\Users\Adam\Desktop\pan2\IMG_5245.jpg
  Remapped : yes
Image 1
  Imagefile: C:\Users\Adam\Desktop\pan2\IMG_5246.jpg
  Remapped : yes

[...]

Image 75
  Imagefile: C:\Users\Adam\Desktop\pan2\IMG_5320.jpg
  Remapped : yes

--- Analyze Images ---
i0 : Analyzing image...
i1 : Analyzing image...
i2 : Analyzing image...
i3 : Analyzing image...
i4 : Analyzing image...
i5 : Analyzing image...
i6 : Analyzing image...
i7 : Analyzing image...
An error happened while loading image : caught exception: bad allocation
i8 : Analyzing image...

[...]

An error happened while loading image : caught exception: bad allocation
i75 : Analyzing image...
An error happened while loading image : caught exception: bad allocation

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Re: [hugin-ptx] Introducing Pannellum - an HTML5 Panorama Viewer

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Nice! Your example works well for me in Firefox 12 on Win7 64 (pan,
zoom, full screen).
The only thing is that at first I was waiting for the panorama to
load, then after some time I thought I might have to click the "Load
Panorama". Maybe you could write "Click to load panorama" instead.

2012/5/29 Matthew Petroff :
> After a year of on and off development, Pannellum, a free and open
> source panorama viewer for the web, is ready for release. Built using
> HTML5, CSS3, JavaScript, and WebGL, it is plug-in free. The
> lightweight viewer, just 18kB gzipped, can be deployed using a single
> file and displays full equirectangular panoramas. One can easily embed
> panoramas in web pages as an , using code generated by the
> included configuration utility.
>
> For more information and an example, see:
> http://www.mpetroff.net/archives/2012/05/28/introducing-pannellum/
>
> Or the project page:
> https://bitbucket.org/mpetroff/pannellum/
>
> I've tested it across a range of browsers, but I'd appreciate any
> feedback or bug reports.
>
>
> -Matthew
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Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Memory allocation issue still not resolved w 64 bit version

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I still have that problem too. I tried it with 4GB of RAM and 8. It
always stops at 6 or 7 images, while if I scale them down I can have
at least 20+. On XP 32 it used to work fine with 2GB of RAM for the
same kind of pictures.

2012/5/28 ecs1749 :
> Actually, less than that.  May be only 1.2G, even less then the 32 bit
> version which uses as high as 1.6G before failing.  Incidentally, if I scale
> down each picture to 1600bits wide, I can load over a hundred pictures and
> process them no problem.
>
>
> On Monday, May 28, 2012 6:18:45 AM UTC-7, ecs1749 wrote:
>>
>> Most I've seen is only 1.5G.  I have 8G memory.  This is during loading.
>>
>> On Monday, May 28, 2012 5:41:22 AM UTC-7, Bart van Andel wrote:
>>>
>>> How much memory is Hugin using when the error occurs? Are you talking
>>> about loading images inside Hugin itself or during stitching? In other words
>>> which program is failing?
>>>
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Re: [hugin-ptx] Inverted cone view

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You're image is obviously not a 360x180, you're missing both zenith
and nadir. If you give this image to PanoCube, it will simply tell you
that the ratio is incorrect (should be 2x1).
Just add data up and down so that you have the correct ratio (usually
if I'm missing some sky I just choose some blue for the top, and
usually some dark colour for the bottom). Then run again PanoCube or
Pano2QTVR.

2012/5/25 ecs1749 :
> I used Hugin and stitched using Equirectangular - not Cylindrical.
>
>
> On Thursday, May 24, 2012 2:23:46 PM UTC-7, ecs1749 wrote:
>>
>> In Hugin, I clicked "Calculate" and it gave me the values of HFOV 360 and
>> VFOV of 180.
>>
>> On Thursday, May 24, 2012 11:20:29 AM UTC-7, Luís Henrique Camargo Quiroz
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>   Hi ecs1749!
>>>
>>>    Have you checked the vfov (vertical field of view) of the image?
>>> Perhaps the interactive viewer is set with a wrong value.
>>>
>>>   Luís Henrique
>>>
>>>
>>> 2012/5/24 Carlos Eduardo G. Carvalho (Cartola) 

 Have you tried one of those viewers to see the jpg directly?

 Cheers,

 Carlos E G Carvalho (Cartola)
 http://cartola.org/360
 http://cartola.org/panoforum




 2012/5/24 ecs1749 
>
> For some unknown reason, after correcting a number of issues, the
> Quicktime VR movie I created becomes like an inverted cone view (imagine
> standing at the bottom of an inverted cone looking up):
>
>
> http://www.powersystemadvisors.com/cheungs/Panorama/DSC_0100-DSC_0177Final_fused800.mov
>
> as oppose to the far more pleasant street view:
>
>
> http://www.powersystemadvisors.com/cheungs/Panorama/DSC_0100-DSC_0114-1.mov
>
> I have no clue what I did to cause this. The jpg was created by using
> Hugin, and the Quicktime conversion was created using Pano2QTVR.  The jpeg
> appears to be normal:
>
>
> http://www.powersystemadvisors.com/cheungs/Panorama/DSC_0100-DSC_0177Final_fused.jpg
>
> So, I am assuming I selected something when stitching that caused this.
>  Anybody?
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Re: [hugin-ptx] What do I do now?

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2012/5/23 ecs1749 :
> But once I get the output files, what do I do with them?
>  http://hugin.sourceforge.net/tutorials/enfuse-360/en.shtml indicates there
> is a enfuse 360 program but I don't see that anywhere...

To create QTVR I first create my 360x180 jpg image using hugin (if I
have a 360x"less than 180" I add the necessary number of pixels at the
top and bottom so that the ratio is 2x1), then I use PanoCube
http://www.panoshow.com/panocube.htm

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Re: [hugin-ptx] Looking for recomendations on a new camera

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If you're going to borrow lenses, then you'll want a compatible
camera, so it can help you choose between canon/nikon & co (also maybe
between Full Frame - more expensive - and non FF).

For me the most important thing is the lens: I have a Nikon D80 with a
Nikkor 50mm 1.4 that I just love. I'd be able to take the same
pictures with a cheaper D40 or more expensive D300.

I like my D80 because I have direct access to most of the things I
need. On the D40 I'd need to go through menus, which is a pain, unless
you're in a studio and you never change your settings.

The only reason I'd upgrade my D80 is concerning the ISO. Starting 800
the picture gets grainy, so I never go more than 640. Newer cameras
can go way higher (the max of the D80 is 3200, the max of the 7500€ D4
is a few 100,000...). Again if you're in a studio with plenty of like,
you don't need that.

I doubt I'd get much better picture quality with a newer sensor (maybe
more dynamic range). I would probably play a bit with the video, with
my 50 1.4 to have some nice bokkeh, or my fisheye to see how it looks
like, but I feel like video on DSLR are more for pros who are ready to
have several takes, can see the image on a bigger screen, control the
focus manually...

Of course it also depends on your budget...7500€ for the brand new D4
(available mid-February in France I think) which will seem huge
compared to you P&S...A D5100 if I remember correctly) might be better
for you www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/d5100.htm

2012/1/11 Calvin McDonald :
> I'm not familiar with Canon but if Nikon is appealing to you, the D90, D300
> or D700 would be excellent choices, depending on budget.  I'd also look at
> the D5100 or D7000 if higher sensor resolution is important to you.
>
> The new Nikon D4 just showed up on Nikon's website recently.  It's a little
> disappointing that it's only 16mp.  Not sure if it's really available yet.
>
> http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/index.htm
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[hugin-ptx] Re: autopano-sift-c

[RizThon]

I have the same problem with CPFind, like George Mahoney who started a
thread called "Hugin - No control points"...

Here is what I previously wrote:

I have the same issue here (except there's no error with the 1st
images, only after 7 or 8). I'm also running Win7 64 (i3 2100, 4GB
RAM). I've tried several hugin installers (latest one being 2011.02 64
bits). I always use the default settings (and ask the settings to be
reset while installing a new version).

>I'll ask some questions, maybe we can find a solution:
>- What kind of images are you trying to align?

My images are all 3872x2592 (taken with FF fisheye). Usually if I have
7 or 8 images all works fine (I load the images, choose FF fisheye
then click "Align..." and get a good pano). If I have more I get
ix : Analyzing image...
An error occurred while loading image: Caught exception: Bad
allocation for the next pictures.

If I resize my pics to be 1000x669 then I can correctly stitch 24
images (8 towards the horizon, 8 30° up, 8 30° down).
By the way, is there a way to reuse the pto that I created with the
smaller resolution images? It looks like when I choose "Apply
Template" with the big resolution images, I lose all the control
points.


>- Could you provide us with a sample set of your images, so we can
>test ourselves?

I can send you the pics if necessary.


>- I remember seeing recent posts on the mailing list where users
>seemed to have troubles with windows 7, are you using a beta or an
>official release version?

I've been using Hugin before with XP and didn't encounter that issue
(I was using a different computer).

On Nov 30, 8:21 pm, Vladimir Nadvornik  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I had the same problem, on intel I7, 6GB of RAM. IMHO it is a RAM issue.
> I was able to fix it with --ncores 4 option, so it processes 4 images at once.
>
> Vladimir
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2011, Adam Weld wrote:
> > So it seems that CPFind is getting errors after 7 (16mp) images? I don't
> > think it is a RAM issue, I have 8GB. Also note that no control points are
> > added. Settings for CPFind are default.
> > -Adam
>
> > On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 11:15 PM, Adam Weld  wrote:
>
> > > Oddly enough, I just tried two of the images and it worked fine. In total
> > > the panorama has 75 images, when I load only a couple CPFind seems to
> work,
> > > otherwise I get this output:
>
> > > Finding control points...
> > > "C:/Program Files (x86)/Hugin/bin/icpfind" -o
> > > "C:/Users/Adam/AppData/Local/Temp/ha60F7.tmp"
> > > "C:/Users/Adam/AppData/Local/Temp/ha60F7.tmp"
> > > Hugins cpfind 2011.2.0.3d9649aa241a built by Matthew Petroff
> > > based on Pan-o-matic by Anael Orlinski
>
> > > Project contains the following images:
> > > Image 0
> > >   Imagefile: C:\Users\Adam\Desktop\pan2\IMG_5245.jpg
> > >   Remapped : yes
> > > Image 1
> > >   Imagefile: C:\Users\Adam\Desktop\pan2\IMG_5246.jpg
> > >   Remapped : yes
> > > Image 2
> > >   Imagefile: C:\Users\Adam\Desktop\pan2\IMG_5247.jpg
> > >   Remapped : yes
> > > Image 3
> > >   Imagefile: C:\Users\Adam\Desktop\pan2\IMG_5248.jpg
> > >   Remapped : yes
> > > Image 4
> > >   Imagefile: C:\Users\Adam\Desktop\pan2\IMG_5249.jpg
> > >   Remapped : yes
> > > Image 5
> > >   Imagefile: C:\Users\Adam\Desktop\pan2\IMG_5250.jpg
> > >   Remapped : yes
> > > Image 6
> > >   Imagefile: C:\Users\Adam\Desktop\pan2\IMG_5251.jpg
> > >   Remapped : yes
> > > Image 7
> > >   Imagefile: C:\Users\Adam\Desktop\pan2\IMG_5252.jpg
> > >   Remapped : yes
> > > Image 8
> > >   Imagefile: C:\Users\Adam\Desktop\pan2\IMG_5253.jpg
> > >   Remapped : yes
> > > Image 9
> > >   Imagefile: C:\Users\Adam\Desktop\pan2\IMG_5254.jpg
> > >   Remapped : yes
> > > Image 10
> > >   Imagefile: C:\Users\Adam\Desktop\pan2\IMG_5255.jpg
> > >   Remapped : yes
> > > Image 11
> > >   Imagefile: C:\Users\Adam\Desktop\pan2\IMG_5256.jpg
> > >   Remapped : yes
> > > Image 12
> > >   Imagefile: C:\Users\Adam\Desktop\pan2\IMG_5257.jpg
> > >   Remapped : yes
> > > Image 13
> > >   Imagefile: C:\Users\Adam\Desktop\pan2\IMG_5258.jpg
> > >   Remapped : yes
> > > Image 14
> > >   Imagefile: C:\Users\Adam\Desktop\pan2\IMG_5259.jpg
> > >   Remapped : yes
> > > Image 15
> > >   Imagefile: C:\Users\Adam\Desktop\pan2\IMG_5260.jpg
> > >   Remapped : yes
> > > Image 16
> > >   Imagefile: C:\Users\Adam\Desktop\pan2\IMG_5261.jpg
> > >   Remapped : yes
> > > Image 17
> > >   Imagefile: C:\Users\Adam\Desktop\pan2\IMG_5262.jpg
> > >   Remapped : yes
> > > Image 18
> > >   Imagefile: C:\Users\Adam\Desktop\pan2\IMG_5263.jpg
> > >   Remapped : yes
> > > Image 19
> > >   Imagefile: C:\Users\Adam\Desktop\pan2\IMG_5264.jpg
> > >   Remapped : yes
> > > Image 20
> > >   Imagefile: C:\Users\Adam\Desktop\pan2\IMG_5265.jpg
> > >   Remapped : yes
> > > Image 21
> > >   Imagefile: C:\Users\Adam\Desktop\pan2\IMG_5266.jpg
> > >   Remapped : yes
> > > Image 22
> > >   Imagefile: C:\Users\Adam\Desktop\pan2\IMG_5267.jpg
> > >   Remapped : yes
> > > Image 23
> > >   Imagef

RE:[hugin-ptx] Hugin - No control points

[RizThon]

>
>  On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 16:29, George Mahoney
>  wrote:
> > While attempting to align images I get a long list of the following
> > error messages...
> >
> > Analysing i1:
> > An error occurred while loading image: Caught exception: Bad
> > allocation
> >
> > Analysing i2:
> > An error occurred while loading image: Caught exception: Bad
> > allocation
> >
> > It happens to each photo and the end result is that no control points
> > are found between any images, no matter how seemingly obvious the
> > images are overlapped. I'm running 64 bit windows 7. I've reinstalled
> > hugin to no avail, and tried several different control point settings.
> > Am I missing something?
>
I have the same issue here (except there's no error with the 1st images,
only after 7 or 8). I'm also running Win7 64 (i3 2100, 4GB RAM). I've tried
several hugin installers (latest one being 2011.02 64 bits). I always use
the default settings (and ask the settings to be reset while installing a
new version).

I'll ask some questions, maybe we can find a solution:
> - What kind of images are you trying to align?
>
My images are all 3872x2592 (taken with FF fisheye). Usually if I have 7 or
8 images all works fine (I load the images, choose FF fisheye then click
"Align..." and get a good pano). If I have more I get
Analysing ix:
An error occurred while loading image: Caught exception: Bad allocation
for the next pictures.

If I resize my pics to be 1000x669 then I can correctly stitch 24 images (8
towards the horizon, 8 30° up, 8 30° down).
By the way, is there a way to reuse the pto that I created with the smaller
resolution images? It looks like when I choose "Apply Template" with the
big resolution images, I lose all the control points.


> - Could you provide us with a sample set of your images, so we can
> test ourselves?
>
I can send you the pics if necessary.


> - I remember seeing recent posts on the mailing list where users
> seemed to have troubles with windows 7, are you using a beta or an
> official release version?
>
I've been using Hugin before with XP and didn't encounter that issue (I was
using a different computer).

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[hugin-ptx] Re: 2009.4.0 release notes proof reading/translation

[RizThon]

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 16:14, sebastien delcoigne <
sebastien.delcoi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Quick question to all french speakers : I have begun the translation of the
> release notes in french but I am unable to translate one sentence:
>
> a bug where upside down crop rectangles confused the stitcher is fixed
>
> I don't know how to translate 'crop rectangle', any idea ? The release
> notes can be found at
> http://hugin.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/hugin/htdocs/releases/2009.4.0/fr.shtml
>

When I don't know how to translate a word I usually look for its translation
in another software. Unfortunately my Gimp is now in English and I just
can't open it in French anymore (maybe I need to reboot for the modification
of the environment variable to really have an effect...).

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[hugin-ptx] Re: Special 'Linear Panorama' - Input wanted

[RizThon]

Just thought about it while looking again at your final output, it might be
nice to make a little planet out of it...I created my first one a few days
ago using that link
http://ultrawide.wordpress.com/2008/11/20/how-to-create-a-little-planet-using-hugin/

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 08:54, RizThon  wrote:

> Sounds quite logical to me to fake control points the way you do...it's
> faster than positioning all images next to each other and then creating
> control points automatically, and you have real control on the output.
> As for the mirror, it's anyway probably not 100% symmetrical nor
> horizontal...to me the best way would indeed to Gimp a fake mirror after the
> panorama is done. The errors on it are really obvious, but if you modify it
> and have errors on the wallpaper, it shouldn't be that obvious...
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 04:58, David Haberthür  > wrote:
>
>> hey dale
>> On 20.10.2009, at 22:41, Dale Beams wrote:
>>
>> All I get when looking at those links are
>>
>> "Your stealing my images, please don't do that"
>>
>>
>> hm, that's weird, it works perfectly well for me (i doublechecked on my
>> web-enabled phone...).
>> are you using some kind of webservice to read this newsgroup? i'm blocking
>> hotlinks to my images using my .htaccess.-file and your service might not be
>> on the whitelist.
>>
>> but i've turned the hotlink-protection off for the moment, so it should
>> work now.
>> habi
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > From: david.haberth...@gmail.com
>> > Subject: [hugin-ptx] Special 'Linear Panorama' - Input wanted
>> > Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 22:15:05 +0200
>> > To: hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com
>> >
>> >
>> > Dear all.
>> > I'm returning from a longer hiatus to this list and start with a
>> > question for a special 'panorama' I've set up at a wedding of a friend.
>> > The idea behind my project is that all the guests are sitting on a
>> > very long sofa. A friend of mine once setup the same idea with his
>> > (big) familiy, as seen here: http://arua.ch/pics/40.html
>> > The first quick test of my image-set showed that it should be feasible
>> > to get the expected result; a lot of wedding-guests on a very long sofa.
>> > I've loaded all the images with ImageJ, and cropped them to a common
>> > denominator, leading to these images:
>> >
>> > http://habi.gna.ch/tmp/gyrenbad/crop_DSC_4443.jpg (yours truly)
>> > http://habi.gna.ch/tmp/gyrenbad/crop_DSC_.jpg (my girlfriend)
>> > ...
>> > http://habi.gna.ch/tmp/gyrenbad/crop_DSC_4447.jpg
>> >
>> > Using the 'mosaic'-function of ImageJ i managed to get a quick-and-
>> > dirty result
>> >
>> > http://habi.gna.ch/tmp/gyrenbad/Montage.jpg
>> >
>> > Since the thought of blending layers for 69 images by hand in The Gimp
>> > is not a happy thought and to look for more creative uses for hugin,
>> > I've thought about adapting the common panorama-workflow a bit.
>> >
>> > After setting some points by hand I've edited the .pto-file (
>> http://habi.gna.ch/tmp/gyrenbad/DSC_4443-DSC_4447.pto
>> > ) by hand to iterate the control points joining the sofa in the first
>> > two images to all the images, or at least to the five images i'm
>> > testing at the moment.
>> >
>> > The result with hugin is quite pleasing already (
>> http://habi.gna.ch/tmp/gyrenbad/DSC_4443-DSC_4447.jpg
>> > ), but two questions remain:
>> > - The mirror [1] does not really work well. I've thought about faking
>> > a mirror once the panorama is finished.
>> > - I'm thinking that there must be a better idea than "faking" 4*70
>> > control points in the .pto-file to get a nice panorama out of it.
>> >
>> > Does any of the hugin-gurus have an idea on how to improve my workflow
>> > for this special linear panorama?
>> >
>> > Have a nice week.
>> > Habi
>> >
>> > [1]: which was hanging skewed, i now know that i should have
>> > doublechecked with a bubble level :)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >>
>>
>

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[hugin-ptx] Re: Special 'Linear Panorama' - Input wanted

[RizThon]

Sounds quite logical to me to fake control points the way you do...it's
faster than positioning all images next to each other and then creating
control points automatically, and you have real control on the output.
As for the mirror, it's anyway probably not 100% symmetrical nor
horizontal...to me the best way would indeed to Gimp a fake mirror after the
panorama is done. The errors on it are really obvious, but if you modify it
and have errors on the wallpaper, it shouldn't be that obvious...

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 04:58, David Haberthür
wrote:

> hey dale
> On 20.10.2009, at 22:41, Dale Beams wrote:
>
> All I get when looking at those links are
>
> "Your stealing my images, please don't do that"
>
>
> hm, that's weird, it works perfectly well for me (i doublechecked on my
> web-enabled phone...).
> are you using some kind of webservice to read this newsgroup? i'm blocking
> hotlinks to my images using my .htaccess.-file and your service might not be
> on the whitelist.
>
> but i've turned the hotlink-protection off for the moment, so it should
> work now.
> habi
>
>
>
>
> > From: david.haberth...@gmail.com
> > Subject: [hugin-ptx] Special 'Linear Panorama' - Input wanted
> > Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 22:15:05 +0200
> > To: hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com
> >
> >
> > Dear all.
> > I'm returning from a longer hiatus to this list and start with a
> > question for a special 'panorama' I've set up at a wedding of a friend.
> > The idea behind my project is that all the guests are sitting on a
> > very long sofa. A friend of mine once setup the same idea with his
> > (big) familiy, as seen here: http://arua.ch/pics/40.html
> > The first quick test of my image-set showed that it should be feasible
> > to get the expected result; a lot of wedding-guests on a very long sofa.
> > I've loaded all the images with ImageJ, and cropped them to a common
> > denominator, leading to these images:
> >
> > http://habi.gna.ch/tmp/gyrenbad/crop_DSC_4443.jpg (yours truly)
> > http://habi.gna.ch/tmp/gyrenbad/crop_DSC_.jpg (my girlfriend)
> > ...
> > http://habi.gna.ch/tmp/gyrenbad/crop_DSC_4447.jpg
> >
> > Using the 'mosaic'-function of ImageJ i managed to get a quick-and-
> > dirty result
> >
> > http://habi.gna.ch/tmp/gyrenbad/Montage.jpg
> >
> > Since the thought of blending layers for 69 images by hand in The Gimp
> > is not a happy thought and to look for more creative uses for hugin,
> > I've thought about adapting the common panorama-workflow a bit.
> >
> > After setting some points by hand I've edited the .pto-file (
> http://habi.gna.ch/tmp/gyrenbad/DSC_4443-DSC_4447.pto
> > ) by hand to iterate the control points joining the sofa in the first
> > two images to all the images, or at least to the five images i'm
> > testing at the moment.
> >
> > The result with hugin is quite pleasing already (
> http://habi.gna.ch/tmp/gyrenbad/DSC_4443-DSC_4447.jpg
> > ), but two questions remain:
> > - The mirror [1] does not really work well. I've thought about faking
> > a mirror once the panorama is finished.
> > - I'm thinking that there must be a better idea than "faking" 4*70
> > control points in the .pto-file to get a nice panorama out of it.
> >
> > Does any of the hugin-gurus have an idea on how to improve my workflow
> > for this special linear panorama?
> >
> > Have a nice week.
> > Habi
> >
> > [1]: which was hanging skewed, i now know that i should have
> > doublechecked with a bubble level :)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> >
>

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[hugin-ptx] Re: Windows installer release 2009.2 ?

[RizThon]

FYI I'm on Win XP Pro SP3 and I use Version 2009.1.0.4240 Ad Huikeshoven. I
made several panoramas with it and it never crashed (but I most probably
don't use all the features).
If I remember correctly I tried one of the new "highly experimental alpha"
and it crashed really fast, so I went back to the first non alpha.
HTH

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 04:03, Yuval Levy  wrote:

>
> hallo Lars,
>
> Lars Schimmer wrote:
> > For windows only snapshots and unofficial build >0.7.0 are noted, but
> > the windows bin link follows to http://hugin.huikeshoven.org/ which
> > tells me "only vista, highly experimental" for >0.8.0.
> >
> > Is there no stable (general) windows binary release >0.7.0 available at
> all?
>
> Nicolas gave you the short answer: No. With a little bit of fiddling you
> can make the experimental builds work for you, but they are not of the
> same stability / quality as the 0.7.0 and the critical criteria to be
> uploaded to SF and distributed as official is real stability, not just
> "declared stability" (as in: the project has released them).
>
> Long answer: There are four issues that make a Windows binary installer
> complex. Build-time dependencies; Run-time dependencies; the Installer
> itself; and last but not least the SDK, that brings them all together.
>
> A Windows binary release must also ship other run-time dependencies
> because of the lack of proper package management system on that
> platform. On platforms with a package manager, the four issues are taken
> automatically care of..
>
> Around the time of the 0.7.0 we had a lucky combination of really stable
> dependencies; up to date Installer scripts; and users from the Windows
> community willing to go through the pains of a systematic and clean
> build (that was myself and Guido. In the end his binaries were uploaded
> to SF). Since then things have been wacky. They may improve by the end
> of the year.
>
> Current status:
>
> BUILD-TIME DEPENDENCIES
>
> 1. Libpano is the critical build-time dependency. Bleeding edge features
> require the latest libpano. The current 2.9.15_beta3 is acceptable
> (although there have been further fixes committed, so better wait for
> the next tarball). In between the repository was broken and either does
> not build or may result in faulty Hugin binaries.
>
> 2. Other build time dependencies don't improve as fast; tracking their
> improvements is not critical. The current SDK (by Guido) should be good
> enough to build Hugin. Using slightly older dependencies only affects
> marginally the end-user experience and is acceptable.
>
>
> RUN-TIME DEPENDENCIES
>
> There are two critical run-time dependencies: Enblend, and (optional) a
> control point generator.
>
> 1. Enblend is the critical run-time dependency. At the time of releasing
> Hugin 0.7.0 we were lucky that the Enblend repository was in a stable
> state. After that, Enblend 3.2 has been released and there are reports
> that it is a regression compared to the pre 3.2 snapshots. To compile an
>  Hugin installer Enblend must be present inside the SDK. Unfortunately
> the most recent SDK does not have what it take to build Enblend. Joachim
> is expanding the SDK to build Enblend from the repository. Enblend is
> now in the final stages of polishing / cleaning up bugs ahead of the 4.0
> release. There is no guaranteed release date, the stated objective is to
> release before year end. No guarantee.
>
> 2. There are a bunch of options for the control point generator. The
> problem is that all of those that work are covered by some patent (SIFT
> or SURF) in some jurisdictions, making their distribution a hot potato.
> Although a control point generator is an optional dependency, most
> end-user consider it mandatory. The script to compile the 0.7.0
> installer had two variations, one with and one without CP generators.
> I've expressed the view that in the future it would be good to do the
> same as for OSX and release separate Windows binary installers for Hugin
> and for the CP generators.
>
> 3. Autopano-SIFT-C is the last incarnation of the CP generator
> traditionally associated with Hugin. The current status is that the
> previous "stable" release (2.5.0) had serious memory leaks and crashed
> on large projects. The current development snapshot of 2.5.2 is broken,
> and there is no guaranteed date for the fix (Tom said he has no time
> before the end of the year). As an interim solution we've branched out
> 2.5.1 (currently release candidate 2, could be declared final any time).
>
> 4. Autopano-SIFT-C is covered by the SIFT patent in some countries. The
> patent holder, UBC, allows use for "educational purposes". I do not
> recall if also for "non-commercial purposes". The patent is the reason
> why popular mainstream Linux distributions such as Debian and Fedora
> don't carry Autopano-SIFT-C.
>
> 5. A better control points generator is Pano-O-matic. It is covered by
> the SURF patent. You can find it on the web, but it is very unlikely
> that 

[hugin-ptx] Re: Help\Question setting up dev instance

[RizThon]

I don't know if it's still the case, but as written in "[hugin-ptx]
(Probably very basic) help needed for build process on WinXP: missing
files?", at that time the current enblend didn't compile. So you might need
to get revision 523.

On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:00, Nicolas Pelletier <
nicolas.pellet...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> I'm setting up everything to build hugin following these instructions (
> http://wiki.panotools.org/Build_Hugin_for_Windows_with_SDK)
>
> As I'm building enblend, it is obvious that the SDK linked in there and the
> source code for enblend don't match in regards to the dependency and the
> folder system. (i.e. boost is not in boost-trunk as in the SDK but
> in boost_1_39_0...).
>
> I want to confirm if this is normal? or am I following the wrong
> instructions \ using an old SDK? Saw some older post mentioning a "new" sdk
> should correct some of these, but did not find it if it is out.
>
> I've resolved all path but lcms.h which I don't have on my computer...
> yet...
>
> Thanks,
>
> nick
>
> >
>

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[hugin-ptx] Re: what is hugin doing to the exposure?

[RizThon]

I tried with the original and I get the same good results as with the lower
resolution images...

On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 18:21, don  wrote:

>
> oh and they are originally in AdobeRGB, dunno if that may be causing
> some problems?
>
> On 12 říj, 12:20, don  wrote:
> > here are the originalshttp://
> don.vn.cz/temp/repo/hugin/_MG_.JPGhttp://don.vn.cz/temp/repo/hugin/_MG_8889.JPG
> > (both files are 7 MB big)
> >
> > On 12 říj, 11:52, RizThon  wrote:
> >
> > > Can you post the original pictures? I'll just check if I get the same
> > > results as you...
> >
> > > Also previously I said that I could clearly distinguish the 2 pictures
> in
> > > the fast preview, but it's not as pronounced as on your
> screenshothttp://don.vn.cz/temp/repo/hugin/huginpreview.jpgwhereit really
> looks like
> > > the exposure of the 2nd picture was modified.
> >
> > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 17:05, don  wrote:
> >
> > > > I don't understand this. I downloaded the same version as you have
> and
> > > > tried to use the resized photos I linked here - it stitched it
> without
> > > > problems. So I then took the original files (5616x3744) and did the
> > > > same process - and now the stitch looks bad again.
> >
> > > > On 12 říj, 10:17, RizThon  wrote:
> > > > > By the way in the Fast Preview i can also easily see the
> intersection of
> > > > the
> > > > > 2 pictures because they don't match perfectly (the horizon is good
> but in
> > > > > the sky a cloud isn't stitched correctly and same a lot closer on
> the
> > > > grass)
> > > > > and there's some visible vignetting. But the blended panorama is
> just
> > > > > perfect.
> >
> > > > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 16:12, RizThon  wrote:
> > > > > > I'm using "Version 2009.1.0.4240 Ad Huikeshoven".
> >
> > > > > > I just dropped your 2 images in hugin (it automatically chooses
> "Normal
> > > > > > (rectilinear)", 24mm and 3.43 for the lens info), I automatically
> added
> > > > the
> > > > > > control points and clicked the "Stitch now!" button (all default
> /
> > > > automatic
> > > > > > values: Rectilinear, FOV 36x20, size 1494x811, "Blended panorama"
> > > > > > checked)and I get a nice blended panorama...
> >
> > > > > > Here's the pto project:
> >
> > > > > > # hugin project file
> > > > > > #hugin_ptoversion 2
> > > > > > p f0 w1494 h811 v36  E14.2408 R0 n"TIFF_m c:NONE r:CROP"
> > > > > > m g1 i0 f0 m2 p0.00784314
> >
> > > > > > # image lines
> > > > > > #-hugin  cropFactor=3.42522
> > > > > > i w1600 h1067 f0 Eb1 Eev14.2407913106641 Er1 Ra-0.487184405326843
> > > > > > Rb-0.656815350055695 Rc0.530101180076599 Rd-0.175079703330994
> > > > > > Re0.266844481229782 Va1 Vb-0.562101693275359 Vc0.697986748519527
> > > > > > Vd-0.465450043300806 Vx0 Vy0 a0.00981937612810012
> b-0.0242854440807008
> > > > > > c0.115908411251388 d0 e0 g0 p1.86975840070512
> r7.45839605972155e-017 t0
> > > > > > v24.6992627798865 y-6  Vm5 u10 n"_MG_small.jpg"
> > > > > > #-hugin  cropFactor=3.42522218289397
> > > > > > i w1600 h1067 f0 Eb1 Eev14.1310773935208 Er1 Ra=0 Rb=0 Rc=0 Rd=0
> Re=0
> > > > Va=0
> > > > > > Vb=0 Vc=0 Vd=0 Vx=0 Vy=0 a=0 b=0 c=0 d=0 e=0 g=0
> p1.94688357427167
> > > > > > r-4.58960554821018e-014 t=0 v=0 y5.3315254049968  Vm5 u10
> > > > > > n"_MG_8889small.jpg"
> >
> > > > > > # specify variables that should be optimized
> > > > > > v p1 r1 y1
> > > > > > v
> >
> > > > > > # control points
> > > > > > c n0 N1 x1079.11301 y596.213184 X373.027032 Y602.18922 t0
> > > > > > c n0 N1 x1220.530422 y599.102304 X515.502063 Y602.735974 t0
> > > > > > c n0 N1 x1162.478479 y611.132028 X458.413643 Y615.554016 t0
> > > > > > c n0 N1 x1151.312451 y610.784152 X447.697109 Y615.451378 t0
> > > > > > c n0 N1 x1156.34132 y624.963225 X452.109932 Y629.637137 t0
> > > > > > c n0 N1 x1255.329885 y586.293772 X548.894429 Y591.38195 t0
&g

[hugin-ptx] Re: what is hugin doing to the exposure?

[RizThon]

Can you post the original pictures? I'll just check if I get the same
results as you...

Also previously I said that I could clearly distinguish the 2 pictures in
the fast preview, but it's not as pronounced as on your screenshot
http://don.vn.cz/temp/repo/hugin/huginpreview.jpg where it really looks like
the exposure of the 2nd picture was modified.

On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 17:05, don  wrote:

>
> I don't understand this. I downloaded the same version as you have and
> tried to use the resized photos I linked here - it stitched it without
> problems. So I then took the original files (5616x3744) and did the
> same process - and now the stitch looks bad again.
>
> On 12 říj, 10:17, RizThon  wrote:
> > By the way in the Fast Preview i can also easily see the intersection of
> the
> > 2 pictures because they don't match perfectly (the horizon is good but in
> > the sky a cloud isn't stitched correctly and same a lot closer on the
> grass)
> > and there's some visible vignetting. But the blended panorama is just
> > perfect.
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 16:12, RizThon  wrote:
> > > I'm using "Version 2009.1.0.4240 Ad Huikeshoven".
> >
> > > I just dropped your 2 images in hugin (it automatically chooses "Normal
> > > (rectilinear)", 24mm and 3.43 for the lens info), I automatically added
> the
> > > control points and clicked the "Stitch now!" button (all default /
> automatic
> > > values: Rectilinear, FOV 36x20, size 1494x811, "Blended panorama"
> > > checked)and I get a nice blended panorama...
> >
> > > Here's the pto project:
> >
> > > # hugin project file
> > > #hugin_ptoversion 2
> > > p f0 w1494 h811 v36  E14.2408 R0 n"TIFF_m c:NONE r:CROP"
> > > m g1 i0 f0 m2 p0.00784314
> >
> > > # image lines
> > > #-hugin  cropFactor=3.42522
> > > i w1600 h1067 f0 Eb1 Eev14.2407913106641 Er1 Ra-0.487184405326843
> > > Rb-0.656815350055695 Rc0.530101180076599 Rd-0.175079703330994
> > > Re0.266844481229782 Va1 Vb-0.562101693275359 Vc0.697986748519527
> > > Vd-0.465450043300806 Vx0 Vy0 a0.00981937612810012 b-0.0242854440807008
> > > c0.115908411251388 d0 e0 g0 p1.86975840070512 r7.45839605972155e-017 t0
> > > v24.6992627798865 y-6  Vm5 u10 n"_MG_small.jpg"
> > > #-hugin  cropFactor=3.42522218289397
> > > i w1600 h1067 f0 Eb1 Eev14.1310773935208 Er1 Ra=0 Rb=0 Rc=0 Rd=0 Re=0
> Va=0
> > > Vb=0 Vc=0 Vd=0 Vx=0 Vy=0 a=0 b=0 c=0 d=0 e=0 g=0 p1.94688357427167
> > > r-4.58960554821018e-014 t=0 v=0 y5.3315254049968  Vm5 u10
> > > n"_MG_8889small.jpg"
> >
> > > # specify variables that should be optimized
> > > v p1 r1 y1
> > > v
> >
> > > # control points
> > > c n0 N1 x1079.11301 y596.213184 X373.027032 Y602.18922 t0
> > > c n0 N1 x1220.530422 y599.102304 X515.502063 Y602.735974 t0
> > > c n0 N1 x1162.478479 y611.132028 X458.413643 Y615.554016 t0
> > > c n0 N1 x1151.312451 y610.784152 X447.697109 Y615.451378 t0
> > > c n0 N1 x1156.34132 y624.963225 X452.109932 Y629.637137 t0
> > > c n0 N1 x1255.329885 y586.293772 X548.894429 Y591.38195 t0
> > > c n0 N1 x1156.34132 y624.963225 X452.109932 Y629.637137 t0
> > > c n0 N1 x1293.826983 y536.78735 X583.969347 Y542.337458 t0
> > > c n0 N1 x1452.982383 y578.174896 X718.702932 Y579.499934 t0
> > > c n0 N1 x1000.783409 y539.74238 X288.310223 Y543.714683 t0
> > > c n0 N1 x1184.090007 y599.721106 X480.139624 Y603.590377 t0
> > > c n0 N1 x1508.872868 y617.994293 X762.222422 Y613.007973 t0
> > > c n0 N1 x1493.373942 y613.081415 X749.654938 Y609.450382 t0
> > > c n0 N1 x1255.329885 y586.293772 X548.894429 Y591.38195 t0
> > > c n0 N1 x922.505554 y584.044079 X197.687794 Y591.935524 t0
> > > c n0 N1 x1000.783409 y539.74238 X288.310223 Y543.714683 t0
> > > c n0 N1 x946.718196 y584.221199 X224.062558 Y592.061588 t0
> > > c n0 N1 x1097.636405 y556.367918 X393.459208 Y561.809487 t0
> > > c n0 N1 x1481.369191 y624.845392 X738.565614 Y620.145061 t0
> > > c n0 N1 x1554.910862 y629.042134 X795.170011 Y622.561956 t0
> >
> > > #hugin_optimizeReferenceImage 0
> > > #hugin_blender enblend
> > > #hugin_remapper nona
> > > #hugin_enblendOptions
> > > #hugin_enfuseOptions
> > > #hugin_hdrmergeOptions
> > > #hugin_outputLDRBlended true
> > > #hugin_outputLDRLayers false
> > > #hugin_outputLDRExposureRemapped false
> > > #hugin_outputLDRExposureLayers fal

[hugin-ptx] Re: what is hugin doing to the exposure?

[RizThon]

By the way in the Fast Preview i can also easily see the intersection of the
2 pictures because they don't match perfectly (the horizon is good but in
the sky a cloud isn't stitched correctly and same a lot closer on the grass)
and there's some visible vignetting. But the blended panorama is just
perfect.

On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 16:12, RizThon  wrote:

> I'm using "Version 2009.1.0.4240 Ad Huikeshoven".
>
> I just dropped your 2 images in hugin (it automatically chooses "Normal
> (rectilinear)", 24mm and 3.43 for the lens info), I automatically added the
> control points and clicked the "Stitch now!" button (all default / automatic
> values: Rectilinear, FOV 36x20, size 1494x811, "Blended panorama"
> checked)and I get a nice blended panorama...
>
> Here's the pto project:
>
> # hugin project file
> #hugin_ptoversion 2
> p f0 w1494 h811 v36  E14.2408 R0 n"TIFF_m c:NONE r:CROP"
> m g1 i0 f0 m2 p0.00784314
>
> # image lines
> #-hugin  cropFactor=3.42522
> i w1600 h1067 f0 Eb1 Eev14.2407913106641 Er1 Ra-0.487184405326843
> Rb-0.656815350055695 Rc0.530101180076599 Rd-0.175079703330994
> Re0.266844481229782 Va1 Vb-0.562101693275359 Vc0.697986748519527
> Vd-0.465450043300806 Vx0 Vy0 a0.00981937612810012 b-0.0242854440807008
> c0.115908411251388 d0 e0 g0 p1.86975840070512 r7.45839605972155e-017 t0
> v24.6992627798865 y-6  Vm5 u10 n"_MG_small.jpg"
> #-hugin  cropFactor=3.42522218289397
> i w1600 h1067 f0 Eb1 Eev14.1310773935208 Er1 Ra=0 Rb=0 Rc=0 Rd=0 Re=0 Va=0
> Vb=0 Vc=0 Vd=0 Vx=0 Vy=0 a=0 b=0 c=0 d=0 e=0 g=0 p1.94688357427167
> r-4.58960554821018e-014 t=0 v=0 y5.3315254049968  Vm5 u10
> n"_MG_8889small.jpg"
>
>
> # specify variables that should be optimized
> v p1 r1 y1
> v
>
> # control points
> c n0 N1 x1079.11301 y596.213184 X373.027032 Y602.18922 t0
> c n0 N1 x1220.530422 y599.102304 X515.502063 Y602.735974 t0
> c n0 N1 x1162.478479 y611.132028 X458.413643 Y615.554016 t0
> c n0 N1 x1151.312451 y610.784152 X447.697109 Y615.451378 t0
> c n0 N1 x1156.34132 y624.963225 X452.109932 Y629.637137 t0
> c n0 N1 x1255.329885 y586.293772 X548.894429 Y591.38195 t0
> c n0 N1 x1156.34132 y624.963225 X452.109932 Y629.637137 t0
> c n0 N1 x1293.826983 y536.78735 X583.969347 Y542.337458 t0
> c n0 N1 x1452.982383 y578.174896 X718.702932 Y579.499934 t0
> c n0 N1 x1000.783409 y539.74238 X288.310223 Y543.714683 t0
> c n0 N1 x1184.090007 y599.721106 X480.139624 Y603.590377 t0
> c n0 N1 x1508.872868 y617.994293 X762.222422 Y613.007973 t0
> c n0 N1 x1493.373942 y613.081415 X749.654938 Y609.450382 t0
> c n0 N1 x1255.329885 y586.293772 X548.894429 Y591.38195 t0
> c n0 N1 x922.505554 y584.044079 X197.687794 Y591.935524 t0
> c n0 N1 x1000.783409 y539.74238 X288.310223 Y543.714683 t0
> c n0 N1 x946.718196 y584.221199 X224.062558 Y592.061588 t0
> c n0 N1 x1097.636405 y556.367918 X393.459208 Y561.809487 t0
> c n0 N1 x1481.369191 y624.845392 X738.565614 Y620.145061 t0
> c n0 N1 x1554.910862 y629.042134 X795.170011 Y622.561956 t0
>
> #hugin_optimizeReferenceImage 0
> #hugin_blender enblend
> #hugin_remapper nona
> #hugin_enblendOptions
> #hugin_enfuseOptions
> #hugin_hdrmergeOptions
> #hugin_outputLDRBlended true
> #hugin_outputLDRLayers false
> #hugin_outputLDRExposureRemapped false
> #hugin_outputLDRExposureLayers false
> #hugin_outputLDRExposureBlended false
> #hugin_outputHDRBlended false
> #hugin_outputHDRLayers false
> #hugin_outputHDRStacks false
> #hugin_outputLayersCompression PACKBITS
> #hugin_outputImageType jpg
> #hugin_outputImageTypeCompression NONE
> #hugin_outputJPEGQuality 80
> #hugin_outputImageTypeHDR exr
> #hugin_outputImageTypeHDRCompression
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 15:09, don  wrote:
>
>>
>> So as I said, I'm using WinXP SP3. I tried downloading (probably) the
>> latest version (0.8.0.3943 Ad Huikeshoven), which was said to work on
>> Vista. I chose default installation, run Hugin.exe, loaded images,
>> pressed Align, it started looking for control points but in the end it
>> didn't find any (previous versions did).I addded the control points
>> manually and then did some exposure optimalization - the end result
>> was nearly OK, but still I think that PS CS4 produced it slighly
>> better. But because I'm too lazy to add control points manually, I
>> went back to the last fully working version (0.8.0.3943 Ad
>> Huikeshoven), did the same (except adding control points manully - the
>> assistant took care of this), then did the optimalization (low dynamic
>> range)...and the end result was bad again. I believe I must be doing
>> something very wrong, because this seems like incr

[hugin-ptx] Re: what is hugin doing to the exposure?

[RizThon]

I'm using "Version 2009.1.0.4240 Ad Huikeshoven".

I just dropped your 2 images in hugin (it automatically chooses "Normal
(rectilinear)", 24mm and 3.43 for the lens info), I automatically added the
control points and clicked the "Stitch now!" button (all default / automatic
values: Rectilinear, FOV 36x20, size 1494x811, "Blended panorama"
checked)and I get a nice blended panorama...

Here's the pto project:

# hugin project file
#hugin_ptoversion 2
p f0 w1494 h811 v36  E14.2408 R0 n"TIFF_m c:NONE r:CROP"
m g1 i0 f0 m2 p0.00784314

# image lines
#-hugin  cropFactor=3.42522
i w1600 h1067 f0 Eb1 Eev14.2407913106641 Er1 Ra-0.487184405326843
Rb-0.656815350055695 Rc0.530101180076599 Rd-0.175079703330994
Re0.266844481229782 Va1 Vb-0.562101693275359 Vc0.697986748519527
Vd-0.465450043300806 Vx0 Vy0 a0.00981937612810012 b-0.0242854440807008
c0.115908411251388 d0 e0 g0 p1.86975840070512 r7.45839605972155e-017 t0
v24.6992627798865 y-6  Vm5 u10 n"_MG_small.jpg"
#-hugin  cropFactor=3.42522218289397
i w1600 h1067 f0 Eb1 Eev14.1310773935208 Er1 Ra=0 Rb=0 Rc=0 Rd=0 Re=0 Va=0
Vb=0 Vc=0 Vd=0 Vx=0 Vy=0 a=0 b=0 c=0 d=0 e=0 g=0 p1.94688357427167
r-4.58960554821018e-014 t=0 v=0 y5.3315254049968  Vm5 u10
n"_MG_8889small.jpg"


# specify variables that should be optimized
v p1 r1 y1
v

# control points
c n0 N1 x1079.11301 y596.213184 X373.027032 Y602.18922 t0
c n0 N1 x1220.530422 y599.102304 X515.502063 Y602.735974 t0
c n0 N1 x1162.478479 y611.132028 X458.413643 Y615.554016 t0
c n0 N1 x1151.312451 y610.784152 X447.697109 Y615.451378 t0
c n0 N1 x1156.34132 y624.963225 X452.109932 Y629.637137 t0
c n0 N1 x1255.329885 y586.293772 X548.894429 Y591.38195 t0
c n0 N1 x1156.34132 y624.963225 X452.109932 Y629.637137 t0
c n0 N1 x1293.826983 y536.78735 X583.969347 Y542.337458 t0
c n0 N1 x1452.982383 y578.174896 X718.702932 Y579.499934 t0
c n0 N1 x1000.783409 y539.74238 X288.310223 Y543.714683 t0
c n0 N1 x1184.090007 y599.721106 X480.139624 Y603.590377 t0
c n0 N1 x1508.872868 y617.994293 X762.222422 Y613.007973 t0
c n0 N1 x1493.373942 y613.081415 X749.654938 Y609.450382 t0
c n0 N1 x1255.329885 y586.293772 X548.894429 Y591.38195 t0
c n0 N1 x922.505554 y584.044079 X197.687794 Y591.935524 t0
c n0 N1 x1000.783409 y539.74238 X288.310223 Y543.714683 t0
c n0 N1 x946.718196 y584.221199 X224.062558 Y592.061588 t0
c n0 N1 x1097.636405 y556.367918 X393.459208 Y561.809487 t0
c n0 N1 x1481.369191 y624.845392 X738.565614 Y620.145061 t0
c n0 N1 x1554.910862 y629.042134 X795.170011 Y622.561956 t0

#hugin_optimizeReferenceImage 0
#hugin_blender enblend
#hugin_remapper nona
#hugin_enblendOptions
#hugin_enfuseOptions
#hugin_hdrmergeOptions
#hugin_outputLDRBlended true
#hugin_outputLDRLayers false
#hugin_outputLDRExposureRemapped false
#hugin_outputLDRExposureLayers false
#hugin_outputLDRExposureBlended false
#hugin_outputHDRBlended false
#hugin_outputHDRLayers false
#hugin_outputHDRStacks false
#hugin_outputLayersCompression PACKBITS
#hugin_outputImageType jpg
#hugin_outputImageTypeCompression NONE
#hugin_outputJPEGQuality 80
#hugin_outputImageTypeHDR exr
#hugin_outputImageTypeHDRCompression


On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 15:09, don  wrote:

>
> So as I said, I'm using WinXP SP3. I tried downloading (probably) the
> latest version (0.8.0.3943 Ad Huikeshoven), which was said to work on
> Vista. I chose default installation, run Hugin.exe, loaded images,
> pressed Align, it started looking for control points but in the end it
> didn't find any (previous versions did).I addded the control points
> manually and then did some exposure optimalization - the end result
> was nearly OK, but still I think that PS CS4 produced it slighly
> better. But because I'm too lazy to add control points manually, I
> went back to the last fully working version (0.8.0.3943 Ad
> Huikeshoven), did the same (except adding control points manully - the
> assistant took care of this), then did the optimalization (low dynamic
> range)...and the end result was bad again. I believe I must be doing
> something very wrong, because this seems like incredibly easy task and
> I'd swear that few years back it would have worked for me in Hugin
> without any problems.
>
> Daniel, my panorama preview looks nothing like yours - I can clearly
> see the stitches in mine. It is not that bad in Fast Preview Panorama
> as it is in Preview Panorama (what is the difference?) though.
>
> If any of you would like to try and have a go with the photos, I've
> uploaded them here:
> http://don.vn.cz/temp/repo/hugin/_MG_small.jpg
> http://don.vn.cz/temp/repo/hugin/_MG_8889small.jpg
>
> thanks guys.
>
> On 10 říj, 03:56, dkloi  wrote:
> > On 9 Oct, 14:24, don  wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks for the advice. I tried fiddling with the settings in EXPOSURES
> > > tab, but that didn't give me any good result. The source photos are
> > > JPEGs, straight from camera, both shot at 1/160 f11 @ ISO 100. To me
> > > it seems like Hugin is doing some kind of exposure optimisation which
> > > is not really necessary, hence the stran

[hugin-ptx] Re: here we go again

[RizThon]

> > I feel we should say that english is our "primary" language, meaning it's
> > the most up-to-date version, so that every translator, who's supposed to
> > understand English, can update his/her part.
>
> that's one way to do it. but what if a Russian speaking person come up
> with a much better text / idea? I don't think we should limit the
> creativity of our international users by focusing on a "primary"
> language. English is a good lingua franca; and the application's
> language is primarily English. But for the handbooks and tutorials I
> prefer to see the international creativity set free. If a tutorial in
> Traditional Chinese is better than what we have in English, somebody
> will translate it to English. And if French users prefer a different
> style of tutorials than German users, who am I to impose a uniform style
> and translation?
>
We could at least say on the Wiki that it's better to try and improve the
English version at the same time as your own language version. And if you
make some new documents (tutorial, ...) in your own language, it would be
good to also translate them into English. So no "You must do that!!!" but
more "It would be better to do that."

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[hugin-ptx] Re: here we go again

[RizThon]

Would this mean that we would use po4a to manage the translation of the
wiki?

Has I don't really have the courage (yet?) to really dive into Hugin code, I
try to help where I can, meaning for translations and enhancing the wiki.
The problem

>> a 75% completed translation of Hugin is surely helpful
> >> for somebody who does not know English; but what about a 25% completed
> >> translation?
>
If we knew which string correspond to the GUI (meaning which strings are
really useful for the user), we would be able to compute a percentage or
something...We should really try to pin down those "useful" string and add a
keyword to them in the comment part of the po file. That way translators
will know exactly which strings are mandatory. I guess it shouldn't take to
long to do it using an IDE and going through all the tabs in Hugin?


> >> or about a manual that refers to Hugin 0.5?
>
That's a lot worse (I feel) than having a not fully translated GUI, as it
shows that the project isn't really well supported / updated. Also it's most
probably useless...
The problem of a wiki is really to update it. At least with your code, it
first need to compile, and you also have tests. For the wiki you have
nothing, and unless you *stumbles* upon an old page, you have no way to know
it's there and it needs to be updated...I guess if we want to have a good
wiki, we need someone (or several) to review it from time to time...


> > Old translations are useless and confusing. IMO, if the translation is
> > outdated, it should not be released together with the program.
>
> and who make the call? one needs to read the translation to judge it. I
> happen to be lucky and I can read French and Italian, but don't ask me
> to read/judge a Japanese translation (I wish I could).
>
The only thing we can do about it is tell the user that unfortunately the
translation in his/her language isn't fully up-to-date (we're an open source
project and don't pay translators, but if you can understand english, you
can help us, blablabla). Then he/she would choose a language accordingly.


>  > The translation itself is done as usual :)
> > The link to a page in an other language is done like an internal like,
> > prepending the 2 letters language code, like:
> >
> > [[:en:Main Page]]
> >
> > The redirection is done (probably) by the Polyglot extension of
> > mediawiki:
> > http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Polyglot
>
> talk with our wiki admins to see if we have Polyglot or if we can have
> it. That would be a very useful addition for the Hugin FAQ.
>
What I don't really like in wikipedia is that articles are not translated
from one language to the other (but it would be hard to maintain if you
don't set a "primary" language) but are quite often totally different: not
the same layout, not the exactly the same info.
I feel we should say that english is our "primary" language, meaning it's
the most up-to-date version, so that every translator, who's supposed to
understand English, can update his/her part.
What we need to know is when a translated page is outdated, so that
translators can work on it.

*The po4a (po for anything) project goal is to ease translations (and more
interestingly, the maintenance of translations) using gettext tools on areas
where they were not expected like documentation.*
Sounds like what we need!

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[hugin-ptx] Re: Canon 7D or SONY Alpha 850 - which one would you buy?

[RizThon]

As for Canon VS Nikon lenses, unless you prefer a body from one or the other
brand, I feel like Nikon bodies and lenses are more expensive...I still own
a Nikon though and probably won't change because of the few lenses I already
have.

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[hugin-ptx] Re: Canon 7D or SONY Alpha 850 - which one would you buy?

[RizThon]

On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 04:21, Yuval Levy  wrote:

>
> Tim Nugent wrote:
> > What do you need the high FPS for Yuv?
> fast moving subjects. action!
>
So that wouldn't really be for taking panoramas I guess ^^ Also be carefull,
sometimes it's written something like "7 images per seconds *" and when you
look at the "*" it says that you need the grip with the additional
batteries, or else you'll shoot at 5 images per seconds...
I can shoot at 3 img/s, and indeed in some cases I might want to shoot a
little bit faster, when shooting sport events...


> that said, full frame is very attractive to me, coming from the 35mm
> film background, I miss the shallow depth of field effect, e.g. in
> portraits.
>
I don't understand why using a FF you'll have a better shallow depth of
field effet? I have a 50mm 1.4 (but a 1.8 would already be enough) and it
gives me great portrait...honestly, I just *love* that lens, and I can
always at once tell the difference from a picture taken with it compared to
a picture taken with my 18-135 3.5-5.6 lens kit.

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[hugin-ptx] Re: translation

[RizThon]

> One thing that was missing in mine and is missing in yours too, is to
> 'svn up' the translations before starting to work (this way one must not
> check out the whole thing every time).
>
Can you add the command for the SVN update here
http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_translation_guide#The_following_times (you
may also want to give the command to just update the translation folder,
even if the user has the whole source code, as it's faster and the user may
not need the whole source code at that time).

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[hugin-ptx] Re: translation

[RizThon]

Can I have access to SVN, to at least check some of the stuffs I added in
the Wiki (and maybe add some remarks). My username on sf is rizthon.
Is it possible to limit the SVN access to a single directory so that a
translator won't mess up the whole repository by error?

On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 04:01, Carl von Einem  wrote:

>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrated_development_environment
>
> J. Schneider wrote:
> > What is an IDE?
>
> >
>

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[hugin-ptx] Re: translation

[RizThon]

On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 20:39, Yuval Levy  wrote:

> ideally it would be like you describe it, with translators working
> directly on SVN. I've consistently given access to them, but there seem
> to be many that are still intimidated by the usage of SVN.
>
> I've added
> <
> http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_translation_guide#Become_a_Power_Translator
> >
> to the translators guide.
>
Well as long as everything is nicely documented in the Wiki, I guess
translators may actually do it. I mean they already downloaded and installed
Poedit, so they should be able (and willing to) also create a sourceforge
account and dowload TortoiseSVN (which definitely is really easy to use) or
Subversion.

Does a translator really have to Checkout the whole project (which will take
some time, but mostly the first time)? Isn't it possible to just get the
right file (or more likely all the translation files) using a "module" (I
think it's the way it's called in CVS) or something?

I've modified a lil bit the layout of the "Become a Power Translator" to
separate Windows and the rest...it sounded easier that way to me, but I'm
not sure eventually whether it's better or not ^^ (because when reading
stuff, I'm usually not really concentrated and I like when things are really
clear...but well if you prefer your version, you should be able to get it
back). I also added in the "Getting Started on translations" part a word
about using SVN (because again, users may not read each and every line of
the wiki).

Could you point me to some info about formatting for the Wiki (I want to
make a link in "For more information see >Become A Power Translator<." but I
just don't know how...I also would like to use *bold* to stress some
stuffs).

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[hugin-ptx] Re: translation

[RizThon]

I guess several people should be able to work on the same language file, one
should just check before commiting it that no new version is available.

As for the fr.po file, I already updated it once (but I don't know
eventually if the modifications were taken into account). I just thought
about updating it again as from what I read in the release notes, there was
no updated French translation. But if you're working on it then I'll just
leave it to you.

Also the current mechanism as described on the Wiki to add the updated
translation to the patch tracker may not be a good idea if several people
work on the same file, as one should first check for a patch (as I
understand it a patch is just a file that has not yet been commited to the
repository, right?).

On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 15:13, Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh) <
jean.luc.cou...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> I've done and maintained this tanslation until now.
> I still have and update to commit but it is a moving target.
> If you want to work on it, it is not a problem (I'm not the *owner*)
> of the translation.
> But it would be better to avoid working each on his side on this piece of
> work.
>
> Regards
>
> Jean-Luc
>
>
> 2009/9/24 RizThon :
> > I wanted to update the French translation file, but just like last time I
> > realize there are quite a lot of things I can't really translate
> > (accurately) or modify, because I have no knowledge of the context,
> meaning
> > when a string is used. There are for example quite a lot of strings that
> > look like they are a good translation but of another string...That could
> be
> > the intended behavior (eg when translating a bigger text that is split
> into
> > several strings).
> >
> > I just checked Poedit, and it's possible to add a comment to each string,
> > you just need to check "View / Show comment window". To be able to edit
> that
> > comment window you might need to go to "File / Preferences..." and check
> > "Comment window is editable" in the "Editor" tab.
> >
> > It would definitely be a great help to translators to have some useful
> > comments. We could at least have a few keywords to use in that comment
> > window, like "title", "short description", "long description", "button",
> > "non GUI" or things like that, to at least know how the string we're
> > translating is being used. Also a translator could add some comments on
> > his/her translation to explain, if needed, why he/she translated it that
> > way.
> >
> > When / How should we use shortcuts? In the fr.po file, sometimes there's
> a
> > shortcut for the default language (eg &Open) but not in French, sometimes
> > it's the opposite...The problem here is that you probably shouldn't have
> in
> > the same menu the same shortcut for several items...
> >
> > Some strings seem to be duplicated like
> > "These are the default arguments. They can be changed for individual
> > projects in the Stitcher tab.\n..." and
> > "These are the default arguments. They can be changed for individal
> projects
> > in the Stitcher tab.\n..."
> > Are we sure that all the strings are used (ie all the strings are
> > automatically retrieve from the code) or is it possible that we have some
> > strings that are not used anymore?
> >
> > Is it possible to see Hugin's GUI in an IDE and translate the strings
> used
> > in the GUI straight from the IDE? That would be the best thing to know
> how
> > it will eventually look like. What do I need if I'm on Windows / Linux /
> Mac
> > ? (I'm asking for all 3 so that I can update the wiki accordingly).
> >
> > RizThon
> >
> > >
> >
>
> >
>

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[hugin-ptx] Re: translation

[RizThon]

I wanted to update the French translation file, but just like last time I
realize there are quite a lot of things I can't really translate
(accurately) or modify, because I have no knowledge of the context, meaning
when a string is used. There are for example quite a lot of strings that
look like they are a good translation but of another string...That could be
the intended behavior (eg when translating a bigger text that is split into
several strings).

I just checked Poedit, and it's possible to add a comment to each string,
you just need to check "View / Show comment window". To be able to edit that
comment window you might need to go to "File / Preferences..." and check
"Comment window is editable" in the "Editor" tab.

It would definitely be a great help to translators to have some useful
comments. We could at least have a few keywords to use in that comment
window, like "title", "short description", "long description", "button",
"non GUI" or things like that, to at least know how the string we're
translating is being used. Also a translator could add some comments on
his/her translation to explain, if needed, why he/she translated it that
way.

When / How should we use shortcuts? In the fr.po file, sometimes there's a
shortcut for the default language (eg &Open) but not in French, sometimes
it's the opposite...The problem here is that you probably shouldn't have in
the same menu the same shortcut for several items...

Some strings seem to be duplicated like
"These are the default arguments. They can be changed for individ*u*al
projects in the Stitcher tab.\n..." and
"These are the default arguments. They can be changed for individal projects
in the Stitcher tab.\n..."
Are we sure that all the strings are used (ie all the strings are
automatically retrieve from the code) or is it possible that we have some
strings that are not used anymore?

Is it possible to see Hugin's GUI in an IDE and translate the strings used
in the GUI straight from the IDE? That would be the best thing to know how
it will eventually look like. What do I need if I'm on Windows / Linux / Mac
? (I'm asking for all 3 so that I can update the wiki accordingly).

RizThon

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[hugin-ptx] Re: Flipping Photos !

[RizThon]

Hi,
I've also had weird behaviors like this, where one or more of my pictures
would be rotated by 90, 180 or 270°, even if the control points are all
correct. Looking at Dale's Control Points picture, which reminds me of what
I've experienced a few times, I definitely think there's a bug somewhere
because how could hugin possibly think that the image 6 should be rotated
180° while all the control points are correct?
This happened to me while trying to stitch panoramas not of landscapes,
where even if you don't have a pano head it's not really an issue, but of
closer things, which is just what Dale is trying to do...but still, why
would hugin rotate that image...

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[hugin-ptx] Re: portable hugin 0.8

[RizThon]

For Windows that would indeed be nice to not need admin rights to install
hugin, it would even be nicer to just be able to unzip it somewhere and
start using it at once, without any installing needed.

On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 11:08, Bart van Andel  wrote:

>
> Upon installation, Hugin registers its file type (.pto). I found
> references in 3 places:
> - hkey_classes_root
> - hkey_local_machine\software\classes
> - hkey_current_user\software\classes
>
> The first and the second are system-wide and thus require elevation or
> administrative rights to add/modify. The last option does not require
> this. Why are the references found in 3 places?
>
> Besides the file type registration, Hugin stores its settings in
> hkey_current_user\software\hugin. This does not require special
> rights, but prevents Hugin to run entirely portable (e.g., without
> leaving traces or even depending on registry-based settings).
>
> If the settings could be moved to a .ini-file, and file associations
> are abandoned, I guess Hugin could run from a stick. This could be
> added as an option during installing for versions to come, but
> currently, it does not work like that unfortunately.
>
> --
> Bart
> >
>

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[hugin-ptx] Re: Lens calibration gsoc project -- photos needed

[RizThon]

Hi Tom,
that might sound like a silly question, but what about zooms (like my
18-135)? Should I give you 10 pics at 18? At 135? In the middle?
As for the pics, I guess if I take pictures of the buildings in front of my
apartment it should be good as they're quite full of straight lines...and
some sky for the not so full of straight lines...
Cheers.

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 01:11, Tom Sharpless  wrote:

>
> HI All
>
> Tim Nugent's summer of code project, to develop a program for
> calibrating lenses by the straight line method, has almost reached the
> point where lots of test data are needed.  So as his mentor, I am
> issuing a call for pictures to test it with.
>
> We need photos taken with as many different lenses as possible -- 50
> different lenses, 10 pictures from each lens, would be ideal, so
> please dig deep.  Pictures with a significant amount of straight-line
> content are most important, but we need some without, too, as we have
> to be sure the program correctly rejects those.
>
> By straight line content we mean images of things that are straight in
> the real world.  The image itself can be curved, indeed it is that
> curvature that gives us the lens characteristics.  It is OK if there
> are some smoothly curved edges in the picture too, so long as true
> straight edges are in the majority -- again, to test that the program
> can recognize that they are really curved.
>
> We need to know the lens focal length and the camera crop factor, or
> sensor dimensions, or pixels-per-inch (or per-mm).  Many camera files
> will have that information in EXIF, but it won't hurt to tell us those
> things if you know; if not, tell us the make and model of lens and
> camera.
>
> File format should be jpeg or tiff, not raw, and the file should be as
> the camera wrote it, not processed in any way.  We could use your
> digitized film images, too, if you are enough of a tech wizard to come
> up with the equivalent pixel spacing at the focal plane (what we
> really need to know is the focal length in pixels).
>
> Please submit photos by emailing me a download link, or by uploading
> them to my ftp site.  I can't give you  one-click links because the
> Google forum software mangles email addresses to protect (somebody's)
> privacy.  But if you replace  in the following with @, they will
> work.
>
>  email:  tksharplessgmail.com
>  ftp:  ftp://tksftp:TKSpwd1tksharpless.net/lenscal
>
> Windows users, note that putting the ftp:// URL into the location box
> at the top of a File Explorer window will give you a nice ftp
> connection (or should I say "experience"?) with the familiar Explorer
> interface.  If you want to use a real old fashioned ftp client, the
> host is tksharpless.net, the username is tksftp, the password is
> TKSpwd1.
>
> We promise not to publish your photos or use them for any nefarious
> purpose, but be aware that neither email nor that ftp site is
> particularly secure against evildoers.  So don't send us your
> masterpieces -- they probably wouldn't be any good for lens
> calibration anyhow :-).
>
> Thanks in advance, Tom
>
>
>
>
>
> >
>

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[hugin-ptx] Re: Windows Users: please test

[RizThon]

Windows XP Pro SP3 32 bits (french)
- 4007 & 4012: never crashes on startup, but resizing the window is really
slow (looks like the whole GUI is being redrawn over and over ; at startup
there are some black horizontal and vertical lines that shouldn't be there
that confirm the GUI issue), always crashes on exit
- 3975: same GUI refreshing issue, but no crash, whether at startup or exit.

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[hugin-ptx] Re: it began to crash ! :)

[RizThon]

Sorry for jumping in...So "Mask is entirely black, but white image was not
identified as redundant." means that it couldn't find any overlap? I've had
that error before but it didn't really made any sense to me...

On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 01:18, Yuval Levy  wrote:

>
> Hi Mahmoud,
>
> Mahmoud Fawzy wrote:
> > enblend: an exception occured
> > Mask is entirely black, but white image was not identified as
> > redundant.
> > make: *** [1.tif] Error 1
>
> try setting the option "-a --fine-mask".
>
> -a will pre-assemble images that are not overlapping, reducing your
> waiting time.
>
> --fine-mask will increase your waiting time, but will also find seams
> when there is little overlap, which may be the reason why the first run
> finds no seams.
>
> Yuv
>
> >
>

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[hugin-ptx] Re: What's in a Version Number?

[RizThon]

I'm not in the position to comment either, but I do like the date-versions.
Just like for Ubuntu, when you see the version number you know when it's
from (but still for some unknown reasons they also like using weird names
which makes it impossible for non hardcore ubuntu fans to know which one is
the latest...).

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 09:38, Thomas Steiner wrote:

>
> I'm not in the position to comment (still I dont like the date-versions),
> but...
>
> 2009/7/21 Bruno Postle :
> > On Tue 21-Jul-2009 at 14:50 -0400, Yuval Levy wrote:
> >>Bruno Postle wrote:
> >>> Three numeric numbers in the version.
> >>
> >>2009.07.1 ?
> >
> > Fine.
>
> why don't you use 09.07.1 instead? 2009 is so long...
> Thomas
>
> >
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[hugin-ptx] Re: 64-bit Windows Installers

[RizThon]

On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 08:32, John Sheu  wrote:

> Also, what's the "CP generator" (control point generator executable?), and
> what's with the patent situation?

Yup CP is for Control Point. The problem is that the default CP generator
that comes with Hugin has a patent pending in the US meaning that if you're
in the US, you can't use it.

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[hugin-ptx] Re: Profile Guided Optimization

[.: RizThon :. [BooZ]]

I see 2 things:
- optimizing Hugin ie optimizing the users GUI experience
- optimizing the tools used by Hugin, ie optimizing the creation of the
panorama after clicking the "Stitch" button or launching a task, optimizing
the CP creations, ...
Actually I guess Hugin is mostly a shell that controls tools, so most of the
optimization could be done by optimizing those tools.

I usually stitch 2-3 pictures, or 6-7-8 pictures if I want a (almost)
360-180° using my fisheye, and I run each project one at a time. So
eventually I usually wait for the pano to be created, so to me if the
stitching process took 30s instead of 5 or 10 minutes, it would be great.
>From the GUI point of view, what takes me some time is loading the pictures
and automatically finding the CP. I usually don't do much, except modify
some CP if the preview shows some big errors.

2009/7/9 Ryan Sleevi >

> The hugin executable can be optimized for the more intensive tasks, which I
> agree with you in that it's probably:
>- Optimization

Maybe it's indeed needed for huge projects, but for my small ones it's
usually just fast.

>- CP editing/fine tuning

I don't feel like editing / fine tuning is that slow. I don't know whether
there's a "fine tune all CPs", but if it does exist then some optimization
might be good, as even on small projects you easily have at least 20 CP.

>- Preview (Fast and regular, although regular is less of a concern
> now that fast preview is in)

Indeed. I haven't checked the fast preview though, but I guess it's fast.

>- Celeste (I haven't dug too far into this, but I understand it's
> both linked as a lib and standalone. Sound correct?)

If it's an external tool, then we should "just" optimize it, not within
Hugin.

>- To a lesser degree, some of the basic imaging code for
> caching/scaling the images.

If it takes time when you click a button in Hugin (eg when loading the
images), then it should be optimized, as it would enhance the user's
experience.

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[hugin-ptx] Re: 3d-gradients of sky

[RizThon]

There has already been a message about this, you can look for "[hugin-ptx]
adding missing sky"
http://www.mail-archive.com/hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com/msg02390.html
I also tried using the "Liquid Rescale GIMP plugin". It works pretty well, I
just had memory issues...I don't know if it's because of my PC or the plugin
or Gimp. You can have a look at this discussion about missing sky here
http://liquidrescale.wikidot.com/forum/t-106572/filling-panorama-picture-stitching

On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 10:29, Seb Perez-D  wrote:

>
> > On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Thomas Steiner  >
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> When I shoot my panos and I stitch them with hugin, there are
> >> sometimes some little "holes" at the border of the panorama, often in
> >> the sky (or at the ground). I then just copy (in gimp) the sky around
> >> it, shift and paste it. This looks ok, but not good; it would be
> >> better to make a "simple" 3d gradient fixing say four points where I
> >> know the colour of the sky and then the missing part is filled.
> >> In the attached panorama example it is visible that I did the
> >> copy&paste at the top left of the statue.
> >> My question: how do you guys handle this problem?
> >> If it is not a hugin related question and thus not to be discussed
> >> here, please let me know as well.
>
> Sometimes the resynthetize plugin (for Gimp) works wonders. This might
> be one of these cases.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Seb
>
> >
>

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[hugin-ptx] Re: german translation of tips

[RizThon]

Hi Thomas,
You can quite easily help with the translation by reading
http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_translation_guide It's pretty easy to do,
even if you're not a programmer.
Cheers

2009/6/1 RueiKe 

>
> Hi Thomas,
>
> I am not a speaker of German, but I did notice that SVN 3815 included
> an update to the German translation.  You might want to look for the
> latest build from Ad, as there have been several posted since 3811.
>
> I have completed the Traditional Chinese translation and hoping to get
> some user feedback before the 0.8.0 release.
>
> Regards,
> Rick
>
> On Jun 1, 6:35 am, Thomas Steiner  wrote:
> > Hi
> > I use Version 0.8.0.3811 by Ad Huikeshoven under Vista. Up to my
> > knowledge this is the latest windows installer version (although RC1
> > appeared later?).
> > In the hints of the german version these are some minorities taht
> > could be improved perhaps:
> >
> > "Ein Panorama mit gekrümmtem Horizont kannen durch Hinzufügen von
> > vertikalen Kontrollpunkten begradigt werden. Siehe auch unterhttp://
> hugin.sf.net/tutorials"
> > should be:
> > "Ein Panorama mit gekrümmtem Horizont kann durch Hinzufügen von
> > vertikalen Kontrollpunkten begradigt werden. Siehe dazu auchhttp://
> hugin.sf.net/tutorials"
> >
> > "Kontrollpunkte sollten auf unbewegten Objekten gesetzt werden.
> > Vermeiden Sie, Kontrollpunkte auf Menschen, Bäumen, Wolken oder
> > anderen sich bewegenden oder verformenden Objekten."
> > should be:
> > "Kontrollpunkte sollten auf unbewegte Objekte gesetzt werden.
> > Vermeiden Sie, dass Kontrollpunkte auf Menschen, Bäumen, Wolken oder
> > andere sich bewegende oder verformende Objekte gesetzt werden."
> >
> > "Gimp 2.0 oder höher kann die von Hugin erzeugten TIFF-Dateien mit
> > mehreren Ebenen lesen."
> > should be:
> > "Gimp 2.0 und spätere Versionen können die von Hugin erzeugten
> > TIFF-Dateien mit mehreren Ebenen lesen."
> >
> > And finally the message
> > "Willkommen bei Hugin. Um ein Panorama zu erstellen, folgen Sie
> > einfach den 3 Schritten auf dem Assistent-Reiter."
> > appeared as the "last" hint and not as the first, perhaps this should be
> fixed?
> >
> > I enjoy it very much...
> > Thomas
> >
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[hugin-ptx] Re: Stereographic video

[RizThon]

>
> Oh, that looks like a video made with a camera and a mirror. It can
> probably be improved by unmapping it and mapping it back to
> a better projection.

This might have been done with something like this
http://www.red-door.co.uk/pages/productpages/360-one-vr-redshop.html

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[hugin-ptx] Re: Pure JavaScript pano viewer

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>For me two of the panoramas were very slow, about 3 fps, the 'parking
>lot' panorama is extremely smooth and comparable to a flash/java
>viewer.
Yup same here, "parking lot" is quite smooth and thus quite usable, but the
others are still too slow...But just like the others I like the idea of a
javascript pano viewer!

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[hugin-ptx] Re: How to debug Hugin

[RizThon]

Hi Tangwei,
have you already debugged applications with VC++2008 Express? I know that
you need to be part of the "debugger something" group (so by default being
an admin isn't enough).
If you have already debugged other applications, then I dunno...

On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 11:53, wei  wrote:

>
> Hi,I'm new to Hugin.
> I builded hugin on Windows with the help of Hugin SDK. I want to debug
> the Hugin.But Visual C++2008 Express pop up a window "Executable For
> Debug Session", I do not know how to do...Thanks.
>
> Tangwei
>
> >
>

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[hugin-ptx] Re: adding missing sky

[RizThon]

>
> > The best gimp plugin to generate "clouds and sky" is probably the
> > resynthesizer plugin
> > 
>
> I've tried this one with scaled picture and it gives somewhat funny
> results - parts of the tower were placed on the missing sky.

Well with Liquid Rescale you can select parts that must not be modified and
parts that should be resized first...
Have a look here if you haven't heard of it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3MDVKPly50 Here it's only to make the image
smaller, but you can also make it bigger. Here's the "original" presentation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NcIJXTlugc
I tried using the Gimp plugin with one of my panorama, but Gimp just crashed
because the pano was just too big for it (all my RAM was used). So I'm quite
interested into having other solutions!

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[hugin-ptx] Re: adding missing sky

[RizThon]

How did you proceed to complete the missing parts?
I tried to use Liquid Rescale once http://liblqr.wikidot.com/ using the Gimp
plugin http://liquidrescale.wikidot.com/

On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 18:16, David Brodsky  wrote:

>
> Hi all,
>
> I've taken some photos of the Eiffel tower and created one big image from
> them [1]. As you can see I don't have all the images I need to make it one
> nice big picture. So far I've been able to complete the missing parts with
> simple math, but I don't find the result [2] very satisfactory.
>
> Do you have any ideas how to make it better?
>
> Regards,
>
> David Brodsky
>
> [1] http://trekie.sinister.cz/fotky/eiffel3.jpg
> [2] http://trekie.sinister.cz/fotky/eiffel4.jpg
>
> >
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[hugin-ptx] Re: GSoC2009

[RizThon]

>
> > Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 17:07:18 +0100
> > From: vas...@iuav.it
> > To: hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: [hugin-ptx] Re: GSoC2009
> >
> >
> > Please, I think the BASIC thing hugin needs is an updated website.
> > The first problem is that when somebody wants to install it, even on
> > windows, he steps on old unupdated versions, when luckyly find the
> > compiled exes.
> > Ubuntu debian self installing thing seems old.
> > It completely lacks clear instructions on how to install what.
> > Never seen the new updated interface. Does it exist?
> > How is integration of old things?
> >
> > Please, the first act should be reorganization of knowledge and concepts.
> > It is 3 years I'm lost to hugin, I've no clue on how to do things out of
> > basic ones cause I can't access knowledge base on my own...
> > I hope I'm not the only one, cause means my stupidity is growing with
> age.
>

Well indeed it might be a good thing to make things easier for beginners.
Well the first good step was with the 0.7 version on windows where the
installer had everything in it, so there was no need to go download exes on
other websites. Also the website has been updated (more tutorials and
documentation). I feel it's quite easy to browse through it, but users want
things to be simple and usually don't like reading manuals ^^ So it could be
good to add some more explanations in the forms in hugin, cuz at first you
don't really know what to do with all those tabs.
If there are things you don't know or understand how to do, just ask! That's
how we can make things even better, and there are probably other people who
are just like you, a little bit lost!

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[hugin-ptx] Re: translation

[RizThon]

On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 22:22, Bruno Postle  wrote:

>
> Ok, I've added a 'translation' Category to the 'patches' tracker,
> translators can set the Group to 'hugin':

Perfect, wiki updated.

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[hugin-ptx] Re: translation

[RizThon]

On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 19:38, Bruno Postle  wrote:

>
> >Could we add to the tracker a "translation" category?
>
> We can, though subimitting them as a patch works ok, they don't get
> lost.


ok but then what category and group should I choose? None? As for the
summary we could specify "translation" or something. I'm only asking this
question so that I can update the wiki. That way people won't have to wonder
which category or group they should use.

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[hugin-ptx] Re: translation

[RizThon]

> attach it to the tracker (or email it to me or Pablo).
Could we add to the tracker a "translation" category? I'm updating the wiki,
but I don't really want to email addresses or else you'll probably receive
quite a lot of spam. The tracker looks pretty straight forward to use, the
only question is which category and group to use.

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[hugin-ptx] Re: translation

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On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 18:44, Bruno Postle  wrote:

>
>  Download the current .po file for your language, this can be done
> with a web-browser:
>
> http://hugin.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/hugin/hugin/trunk/src/translations/

ok well at least we could update the wiki, it's indeed easier than
downloading all the code and look for po files ^^


> There is no need to be able to compile hugin or have the hugin SDK,
> you also don't have to translate everything if you don't have time
> or knowledge to do it all.

Well it's just that if you can see it what it really looks like, it could be
better (to know for ex if you used a too long string for a button, and so
you don't see all of it), but indeed, it's not mandatory.


>  This doesn't help with the other problem that some of the strings
> are meaningless out-of-context - There is no easy way to solve this,
> though I suspect that most of the time the problem can be fixed by

having better original English text.

Isn't it possible to add some comments? I work with c# and for our resource
files we can add comments...

RizThon

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[hugin-ptx] translation

[RizThon]

Hi all,
I just saw in a previous post that some translation was still needed.
There's this page for translation
http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_translation_guide but still I find it quite
difficult for someone who doesn't know anything about programmation...first
getting the sources, then looking for the pto file, doing the translation
(the only thing the person might really know how to do), then sending the
modifications through the tracker (
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=add&group_id=77506&atid=550443 ->
what's the category or group, what's the summary or description should
like). Also what file exactly needs to be send? Cuz I think after using
poedit I have a po file and another one for the culture I was doing.
Another thing is that I might not know or wish or have time, as a
translater, to compile everything and check everything (to see if the
translations were indeed accurate, if the text isn't too big and can be
seen...). That's why in a previous post I said it would be really useful to
have comments for the string to localize, at least things like "button" (so
the text should be quite brief), "menu" (so the text might be a bit longer),
...Whenn looking at the GUI it might be quite easy to understand what should
be written but by just looking at those strings, without the context, it's
quite difficult...
I dunno what you all think about that...anyway, I translated the french po
file, I might send it somewhere (tracker or somewhere else) when I'll be
home tonight or this week end...
Cheers,
  RizThon

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[hugin-ptx] Re: hugin-0.8.0_beta2 released

[RizThon]

On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 12:15, Eduardo Perez Esteban <
eduardo.perezeste...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Cannot commit to anything, but I could lend a helping hand with the Spanish
> translation, if nobody else is going to do it.
> Any quick guide on where / how to start?


Haven't tried yet but at least I found
http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_translation_guide

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[hugin-ptx] Re: hugin-0.8.0_beta2 released

[RizThon]

I'll try and look at the french translation tonight...

On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 08:27, Guido Kohlmeyer  wrote:

>
> At first please look at the tracker on sourceforge if there is any simlar
> case already reported. If not please create a new issue with a detailed
> description how to reproduce the segmentation fault. Information about the
> platform (linux, macos and windows etc.) is mandatory. Messages that were
> output in command window are mandatory. I small example is highly
> recommended for reproduction and debugging.
>
> Guido
>
> >
> > i built this from svn (build 3714) today, along with autopano-sift-c
> > and enblend.  during stitching enblend is segfaulting.  are there any
> > known issues?  i can post more details on the enblend crash tomorrow
> > if needed.
> >
> > thanks!
> >
>
>
>
> >
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[hugin-ptx] Re: Alexandre Duret-Lutz's little planets

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>
> Rich wrote:
> > On 2009.03.06. 12:40, Alexandre Duret-Lutz wrote:
> >> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Bruno Postle  wrote:
> >>> It's nice to see some hugin pictures in the 'mainstream media',
> >>> gadl's little planets were on the Daily Telegraph site yesterday:
> >> What's frustrating is that when I answered to the journalist's email,
> >> I raved about how these pictures was built using only free software
> >> (with links to gimp, hugin, mathmap, enblend) and shared under a
> >> Creative Commons license.  To bad he did not mention any of this in
> >> his story.
> >
> > i'd suggest (politely, of course ;) ) emailing & explaining that you
> > feel it was an important information lost.
> > unfortunately, most journalists tend to be extremely ignorant about
> > topics they write - maybe you can get them to showcase another
> > weeplanet, this time adding information about creating them ;)
>
> Ignorant or fearful - many of them perceive CC-licenses and free
> software as a threat to their jobs.
>
> It does not help that Alexandre is employed by a university. An argument
> heard too often is that people licensing their work under free licenses
>  have other sources of income and can afford to "ruin the market" to
> those earning their living in the software and media industry. Needless
> to state here that the argument is totally wrong.
>
> There is a lot of (hidden) resentment in the air - similar to the
> resentment that call center agents have toward outsourced off-shore call
> centers, or the resentment that typewriter-makers and secretaries of the
> seventies had toward personal computers.
>

Well I think more like BugBear that the journalist just didn't bother
much...Actually I feel like it's more and more of a problem nowadays. It
seems like everyone calls him/herself a journalist, and sadly quite often
the articles are quite limited, contain wrong terms, are based on nothing
except other articles found on the Internet...

Here I guess the journalist put some nice pictures, because that's what
people will look at. As for the text that goes with it, well I guess he just
took some of the things written by Alexandre, without bothering explaining
some complex terms (what any "real" journalist would/should do, when
writting an article for non specialists), and removing what he thought was
useless...But reading the comment, it looks like quite a lot of people would
have liked to know that Alexandre used Hugin to create the 360-180°
panoramas, and other open source softwares...

Anyway, Hugin is really great, and I promote it to all my friends ^^

Cheers,
  RizThon

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[hugin-ptx] Re: German translation: a few questions about original strings

[RizThon]

Hi all,
I don't know how localization is handled in Hugin, but it could make things
easier for translaters if next to each english string there was a little
explanation on the context. Maybe this could be done for new strings from
now on.
Cheers,
  RizThon

On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 17:09, J. Schneider  wrote:

>
> Sorry, these two I could have found myself. But thanks for the good
> suggestions.
> And I think the English texts should be changed.
>
> >> "Add application"
> > ... I guess the button
> > label is not well chosen. It's the call not the application itself which
> > is added. Should be something like: "Add application call" or "Call
> > application":
> The former sounds best to me.
>
> > "Aufruf hinzufügen"
> OK.
>
> >> "Remove complete"
> >> ="Remove those projects which are completed"?
> >
> > Yes, I even wondered about the button label. I think the original
> > english text must be "Remove completed" or "Remove finished".
> Yes, "Remove completed".
>
> > Some suggestions for translation:
> > "Entferne beendete" (klingt etwas steif)
> > "Entferne erledigte" (finde ich ganz gut)
> Das nehme ich.
> > "Entferne abgeschlossene" (bisschen lang?)
> Aber am präzisesten.
>
>
> Gruß/regards
> Joachim
>
> >
>

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[hugin-ptx] Re: Panini 0.62 released

[RizThon]

> That is, if you decide to use something like Drupal or Wordpress, you
> might want original design. When you have this design as PNG or XCF
> file, somebody has to create code in PHP so that your Drupal or
> Wordpress setup could use it for all pages.
>
> Alexandre


Hi Tom, I guess Alexandre is answering the "a web designer to make a nice
project web page" part, Drupal and Wordpress being some Content Management
System, ie basically a program (in PHP for example) that lets you easily
create and update a website. Alexandre can help you customizing those CMS to
have a nice looking interface.

Cheers,
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[hugin-ptx] Re: hugin SDK for windows

[RizThon]

Thanks Guido, I'll try when I got time in a few days.

On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 22:55, Guido Kohlmeyer  wrote:

>
> Dear all,
>
> I prepared a SDK based on following components ...
>
> Contents of the hugin SDK [2009-02-09]
>
> /boost_1_37_0 [http://www.boost.org/]
>  boost libraries date-time and threads
> /Deploy [http://www.openexr.com/]
>  OpenEXR libraries ilmbase 1.0.1 + openexr 1.6.1
> /exiftool 
> [http://www.sno.phy.queensu.ca/~phil/exiftool
> ]
>  [pre-build] ExifTool 7.67
> /exiv2-0.18 
> [http://www.exiv2.org/][http://sourceforge.net/projects/expat/
> ]
>  Exiv2 0.18 + Expat 2.0.1
> /gettext [http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/]
>  [pre-build] gettext runtime 0.13.1 + gettext tools 0.13.1 +
> libiconv 1.9.1
> /glew
>   glew library 1.5.1
> /libpano
> [https://panotools.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/panotools/trunk/libpano]
>  libpano SVN 944
> /UnxUtils [http://sourceforge.net/projects/unxutils/]
>  [pre-build] UnxUtils
> /wxWidgets-2.8.9 [http://www.wxwidgets.org/]
>  wxWidgets 2.8.9
>
> Some of the components are pre-build versions that are already built by
> their responsible developers. All other libs were built based on the
> current released version. The only exception is libpano (panotools),
> which was built from current SVN version 944.
>
> Therefore this SDK is a snapshot of the tools and libs that hugin needs
> to be build. Some of them may change over time.
>
> Sure, this is only a snapshot, but I guess that some windows developers
> will find it helpful. You approach, Yuv, seems to be more sophisticated,
> i.e. to establish a build environment that is flexible over time and can
> be rolled back due to usage of configuration management. It is good for
> the "core-crew", but maybe a little bit oversized for the guys and/or
> girls that want to play with hugin and to get their first steps ...
>
> At that time I was very pleased to find a small SDK package as a good
> starting point. Hopefully a small honey pod to get more developers :-)
>
> Ok, let's start with this package a new round of windows builds.
>
> Some questions have to be answered:
>
> Q: Where can I download the SDK?
> A: http://hugin.panotools.org/testing/hugin/Hugin_SDK-20090209.exe
>
> Q: How to install the SDK?
> A: Execute the file and enter a directory to store the SDK files, e.g.
> C:\src. This directory is called  in the next answer.
>
> Q: How to build hugin?
> A: You can get the latest hugin source code from subversion repository
> https://hugin.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/hugin/hugin/trunk
> 1) Create folder \hugin
> 2) Select the folder, right-click > SVN Checkout...
> 4) In entry  enter
> https://hugin.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/hugin/hugin/trunk
> 5) Select HEAD revision
> 6) Press OK
> 7) Start cmake
> 8) In entry  enter: \hugin
> 9) In entry  enter: \hugin_build
> Note: It is recommended to build the project in another folder then the
> source code resides in. Applying this procedure the source and build
> files are not mixed in one folder stucture.
> 10) Press Configure
> 11) In combo box  select "Visual Studio 9 2008"
> 12) Press OK
> Note: CMake searches for several components to build the solution files.
> If some required components are not found, CMake throws error messages
> and marks the missing components in red color in the list. The following
> error message comes up:
> CMake Error at platforms/windows/installer/CMakeLists.txt:6 (MESSAGE):
> Need to set builder (HUGIN_BUILDER) manually
> Confirm the dialogs with OK
> In the list of cached values select the currently empty value of
> property HUGIN_BUILDER
> Enter you name.
> Press Configure button.The following error message comes up:
> CMake Error at platforms/windows/installer/CMakeLists.txt:13 (MESSAGE):
> Need to set build date (HUGIN_BUILDDATE) manuallyConfirm the dialogs with
> OK
> In the list of cached values select the currently empty value of
> property HUGIN_BUILDDATE
> Enter the current date in format -MM-DD
> Press Configure button
> 14) Press OK
> 15) Open the generated Visual Studio solution file
> \hugin_build\hugin.sln
> 16) Select Build > Configuration Manager
> 17) Choose Release in Active solution configuration and confirm with Close
> 18) Select Build > Build Solution
> Note: The build process may take some time ...
> 19) Right-click on project INSTALL, select Build
>
> The files are stored in \hugin_build\INSTALL\FILES
> The application in sub-directory bin
>
> Have fun. Feedback is welcome.
>
> Guido
>
> Yuval Levy schrieb:
> > Hi Guido,
> >
> > Guido Kohlmeyer wrote:
> >> I prepared a SDK to build hugin on windows platform.
> >
> > great. I'd be interested to know if you can open network files with
> > Hugin compiled with your SDK, to understand if it is a problem of my SDK.
> >
> >> It is based on
> >> current releases of boost, wxwindows, libpano and other tools.
> >
> > current as 

[hugin-ptx] Re: hugin SDK for windows

[RizThon]

Hi,
I run Windows XP 32bit so I can definitely test it (for once there's
something I have the skills to do ^^).
When you ask for web-space, you're asking for some temporary space so that
we can do some tests before releasing it or your asking for some sourceforge
credentials?
Cheers,
  RizThon

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 01:13, Guido Kohlmeyer  wrote:

>
> Good morning,
>
> I prepared a SDK to build hugin on windows platform. It is based on
> current releases of boost, wxwindows, libpano and other tools.
> I applied the aproach to bundle only the necessary includes and libs,
> without any documentation. The result is a 350MB package (34MB archive).
> Currently I run only a build test with hugin. Before I'll release the
> package I want to give the chance to test it. Are there any developers
> interessted to do a test.
> The other point is web-space. Any suggestions, where I can upload the
> package?
>
> Guido
>
> >
>

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[hugin-ptx] Re: Stiching fisheye images to a 360 degree image

[RizThon]

Hi
I'm also often having issues stitching fisheye pictures...and here
with the sample pictures you give, indeed it's quite a mess, and some
pictures get upside down...I just opened the pics, and specified to
use a full frame fisheye, the 8mm and 1.59x are already there. Appart
from that I've got all the default settings (I got hugin 0.7).
Enabling rotation search (Preferences/Control Points Editor/Rotation
search) allows me to get a "less worse" result, ie I don't got upside
down images anymore, and the ceiling is where it should be...

On 23 jan, 17:10, Lars Tore Gustavsen  wrote:
> Hello
> Sorry if this is a double post, but I think I used wrong address in
> the first one.
>
> I'm consider buying a sigma 8mm F 3,5 to use with my canon 10D (1,6
> crop) for panoramic work.. Luckily enough I found some pictures from
> almost the same combination  online. Only differences are this lens is
> the F4 version.
>
> I have used hugin for years for printed panorama, and I have even
> tested 360 degree with my 17-40. But this time I have a hard time
> figuring out what's wrong.
>
> I have downloaded some test images from bottom of this 
> page:http://www.chem.ox.ac.uk/oxfordtour/tutorial/index.asp?ID=37
> The are locate 
> herehttp://www.chem.ox.ac.uk/oxfordtour/stitchingtest/sigma8mmsamples.zip
> if the above url does' not work.
>
> The author, Dr. Karl Harrison also has a tutorial about stitching this
> images with ptgui.http://www.chem.ox.ac.uk/oxfordtour/tutorial/index.asp?ID=42
>
> My problem is that there is no ways I can easily create a so good
> looking result with hugin. Actually the results I end up with are not
> usable at all.
>
> I'm using linux and have hugin 0.7 installed. I have tried to enable
> "roation search" in the preference. I'm also use settings for a
> circular fisheye 8mm lens. I crop them in the crop dialog. Whatever I
> do, I can not find a good match with auto generated control points. I
> typical end with an average error from 80 and up to above 800. :-(
>
> Well I'm quite frustrated now, can this error be because this is
> compressed jpg? Any other hint?
>
> Or is the solution to always find the control point manually with
> fisheye lenses?
>
> Regards
> Lars Tore Gustavsen

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