Re: zIIP (Was: Looking for SRB sample in PL/I or COBOL)
The bottom line, as we all know, is that IBM wants to keep the margins up on engines running traditional workloads, while competing with cheaper iron for work that they perceive might otherwise be in danger of migrating there. Basically says it all - even IBM admits it. I do not speak for IBM in any official capacity, but no, IBM does not admit any such thing. IBM is indeed a publicly traded company with a duty to shareholders to maximize profits (or so my economics textbooks told me), but the only (durable) way to do this is to deliver excellent products that people want to buy in ever greater quantities. And you can't do that in the technology business without spending serious coin ($1.2 billion on the System z9, for example; a goodly fraction of that just on tools/utilities) and beating competition (fairly). No company can say, I think we'll keep our margins high this month. Doesn't work, at least not for long. If we just (artifically -- I'll buy your argument for half a minute here) look only at CPs, the acquisition prices have collapsed and the operating costs have fallen even faster. In fact, since the PCM era prices and costs have fallen *faster*. Here's what's happened just in the past few years (and just with traditional workloads), all to lower costs: - PSLC (Parallel Sysplex License Charges) - WLC (Workload License Charges), with more and more products individually SCRT'ed - the other LCs (EWLC, etc.) - conversion of certain products (e.g. Tivoli System Automation) to OTC (customer's discretion) - z/OS.e - z/VM price reductions, OTC, quantity discounts, etc. - huge drops in memory prices (and big increases in base memory configurations) - softcapping, LPARs, and more LPARs - On/Off Capacity On Demand (processor for a day) - z890 finer grained capacity settings and lower minimum configuration (~26 MIPS) - IBM entering the tools/utilities business in direct (and ethical, professional, but very aggressive) competition with ISVs (on all dimensions: lower price, better function, and far better terms and conditions -- no MIPS tier, MIPS on the floor, or capacity upgrade pricing abuses) - zIIPs (yes, these help some DB2 traditional, such as utility-related processing) - technology dividends (a System z9 with the same LSPR capacity as a z900 is rated at 19% fewer MSUs) - much faster I/O (MIDAW, 2 Gb FICON, more channels, etc.), which ends up lowering CPU - continued code efficiencies (e.g. CICS 3.1 thread-safe code benefits, the new z/OS 1.8 XML services) - lower power, cooling, and smaller physical footprints - lower and more competitive storage costs - much better (and faster) crypto offload - more push out on the statistical tail of (already best) planned and unplanned outage avoidance (e.g. DB2 online schema changes, IMS online reorg, System z9 live processor service replacement) (downtime = cost) - elimination of the Sysplex Timers and their maintenance (pending 2006) - elimination of unnecessary external assist boxes and their maintenance (e.g. CCL replacing 374x equipment) - more and better instruction assists (e.g. Unicode/EBCIDIC/ASCII conversions) - the quiet revolution in tape (faster, cheaper, better, VTS) - OSA Express (lowering CPU for network-related processing) And, if you cast the net only very slightly wider, those new workloads now can enjoy fastpath Hipersocket and in-LPAR access to traditional resources, reducing the amount of work (CPU) those traditional subsystems have to do. (Architectural proximity has nice benefits.) And I'm sure I forgot a whole bunch of other stuff, but that's off the top of my head. IBM has a business plan (and the ability to deliver) to help our mainframe customers reduce their total costs substantially, every year. (Does Microsoft? Does Oracle?) If we haven't proved it to you yet with the list above, feel free to keep watching from the sidelines or from another stadium. The sidelines and other stadiums keep getting more and more expensive, though. Leaves a lot of old customers swinging in the breeze though as Denis says. I don't see a lot of new workload selling mainframe MIPS here. The independent figures -- admittedly global, so I don't know your location -- say exactly opposite. Both traditional and new workloads are growing quite rapidly (the latter faster, but both growing). The MIPS graphs are pretty astonishing over the past 5+ years. Honestly, IBM is making its money here the old fashioned way: investing huge sums (widening the technology lead and expanding mainframe roles), getting bigger sales volumes each year, and driving down prices, thus driving more demand; loop, repeat. Parallel sysplex (and associated pricing model) didn't seem to do the job either - consequently we now see IBM releasing humungous boxes, and encouraging shops to consolidate back to single footprint. Actually, IBM encourages consolidation to fewer footprints (not necessarily single), consistent with
Re: IBM DS6000 experiences
Ned, totally off topic, but thanks for bringing BASE24 (ACI's automatic teller machine software) to z/OS. Bravo. - - - - - Timothy F. Sipples Consulting Enterprise Software Architect, z9/zSeries IBM Japan, Ltd. E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: WLM
Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... If you do not wish to assist another person, you can save everyone time and effort by not sending your negative response out. People should do their homework before asking IBM-Main. I have no problem with helping people, but not if they aren't willing to help themselves. We are here to help, not to hold hands. - -teD I agree with Ted. There are more and more questions coming from two sources that de-motivate my willingness to help others in trouble: One is from people that clearly did not do enough research in their manuals, that is why I spent 2 minutes locating the manual and chapter that answered the question. The other is from people that apparently have been declared MVS system programmer and are thrown into the deep without any decent training. I feel pitty for the last group, since they probably can't help it. They should convice their management that you can't be a z/OS expert without training, like you can't become a 30-ton-truckdriver in one day. Kees. ** For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. ** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM Manufacturing
Marian Gasparovic wrote: Paul, I was in Montpellier, France last fall, both platforms are manufactured there, haven't heard of outsourcing. In fact none of the machines are manufactured in Motpellier. They are *assembled*, tested and packaged for shipping. That's a difference for me. I can assemble a PC, but I won't call my garage Computer Factory. BTW: much of the production is *already* outsourced. All (or majority) of the mainframe cards are manufacured by Celestica. Frames, and all the iron comes form other suppliers. z/800 were wholly assembled by Hitachi. However computer H/W is 95% knowledge and 5% physics, it is not so important who's keeping scredriver or soldering gun. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM Manufacturing
Yes, if we go into details, everything is made in China :) If you look at disk arrays and then check drives itself, they are the same, surrounding logic is what makes a difference. And for high end products final assembly and testing is important. I was in U.S. recently, saw commercial for VW cars, made by German engineers. Lot of VW cars are assembled here in Slovakia(used to be Polo and Golf, now also Tuareg- high end car), not far from where I live and they are still German cars, PSA will make a lot of cars here too, they are still French cars, Kia is building factory for assemply here too, they are still Korean. All of them built in Slovakia :) So it depends on what you call outsourcing, final assembly or producing of parts ? Globalization in work. I wonder why Paul asked this question... Marian Gasparovic IBM Slovakia On 4/7/06, R.S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marian Gasparovic wrote: Paul, I was in Montpellier, France last fall, both platforms are manufactured there, haven't heard of outsourcing. In fact none of the machines are manufactured in Motpellier. They are *assembled*, tested and packaged for shipping. That's a difference for me. I can assemble a PC, but I won't call my garage Computer Factory. BTW: much of the production is *already* outsourced. All (or majority) of the mainframe cards are manufacured by Celestica. Frames, and all the iron comes form other suppliers. z/800 were wholly assembled by Hitachi. However computer H/W is 95% knowledge and 5% physics, it is not so important who's keeping scredriver or soldering gun. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Address Spaces, Processes, Tasks - confusing...
All, we are currently doing our first steps with C on z/OS (MVS Environment). Now, everything is somewhat different than under UNIX or Windows. For example the call of fork() is somewhat strange. In my multithreaded application I can't use fork. I can't use subtasks if I use threads. fork() somehow works, but I can't see the SYSOUT/SYSPRINT of the forked process. The manual is somehow confusing - for me. Now, I guess everything would become clearer if I would know exactly all the magic of address spaces, processes, thraeds, tasks, subtasks and so on. For example, just a few minutes ago I've read in an IBM manual that there exist single-process address spaces and multiple-process address spaces (never heard about that before). Now is is task a process? If I use subtasks - do I use multiple-process address spaces? What is the difference between a subtask and a thread? What is the difference between a job and a started task? So, there are many many questions I need/want to understand all this stuff better. Could someone tell me what IBM Manual would be a good choice to start? I've tried POP (Principles of Operation) but this wasn't the right one... Thank you very much, Michael -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: S913 Abend
On 4/6/2006 5:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AFAIK - JES2 suppresses the ICH messages. You need to issue a JES2 command to allow the messages to be seen. Not sure what level of JES2 you are at, but this command should work with all levels: First, Mike's problem is not JES2-related (see my earlier message). But even if it were, JES2 (as far as I know) only suppresses the messages for the WRITER class that occur during printer selection. For BLP checking, there is no RACF control in JES2. The BLP controls in JES2 are entirely via its parameter library or via JES2 commands. If the job is allowed to use BLP via the JES2 parms, then the job will eventually begin execution and then tape processing will make the RACF check to determine if the user is authorized to use BLP. As JES2 is not involved with that check, the JES2 $TDEBUG setting has no relevance, and IF that check were the problem you would see an ICH408I message. On the other hand, if, by the JES2 parms the job is not allowed to use BLP, then the JCL request for BLP is simply changed to NL, and there is no RACF check and thus no ICH408I message. Walt Farrell, CISSP z/OS Security Design, IBM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: WLM
Do you feel comfortable in all: WLM, DFS/SMB, sendmail, HSM, hardware, JES2, ICSF, CICS, RMM, ZFS, sysplex, to name a few ? I don't. From the other hand I agree, it is good to aks proper question. It also requires some knowledge. Sometimes such preparation to ask the question includes the answer. Yes, but. In this case, there was a message from the WLM. If you don't know where to look up a message, then you have a big problem. There is messages codes. There is LOOKAT. There is QUIKREF. IBM-Main should NOT be your first source for determining what a message means! - -teD O-KAY! BLUE! JAYS! Let's PLAY! BALL! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: COBOL2 Issues
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Charles Mills [ snip ] BTW, rc4 would not generally be synonymous with S0C4. But in context it might mean reason code, of which eight are listed for S0C4 in the MVS System Codes manual: http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/IEA2H740/2.1 73?SHELF=IEA2BK41DT=20040109094217CASE= The rc4 (Protection Exception) is probably the most frequently seen in conjunction with problem-state application code. -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Activate WLM I/O priority management
CAPRON Romain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hello, We actually use a WLM policy that work very well but without I/O priority management activated... Does anyone know a method to activate it without taking a lot of risks? Thanks a lot in advance for your lights, Regards, Romain It is not simple, because with I/O priority management enabled, your velocities will change because I/O delays will be taken into consideration. They will probably change differently for every serviceclas. RMF can report your current velocities and what they would have been with I/O priotity management enabled. You must adapt your velocities and keep a close watch on the effects in the first period after implementation. Kees. ** For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. ** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: WLM
Ted MacNEIL wrote: Do you feel comfortable in all: WLM, DFS/SMB, sendmail, HSM, hardware, JES2, ICSF, CICS, RMM, ZFS, sysplex, to name a few ? I don't. From the other hand I agree, it is good to aks proper question. It also requires some knowledge. Sometimes such preparation to ask the question includes the answer. Yes, but. In this case, there was a message from the WLM. If you don't know where to look up a message, then you have a big problem. There is messages codes. There is LOOKAT. There is QUIKREF. IBM-Main should NOT be your first source for determining what a message means! You're absolutely right. My comment was general, not related to the thread origin. BTW: Sometimes it is big help to enlight user that such thing like Messages and Codes exist. Folks experienced on other platforms usually have no idea that it is available. Been there seen that. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: WLM
I know where to look up messages too, been there done that also. However as I think you know, not all messages are clear and explain the problem. I am not an expert on WLM so I thought I would ask the list. Hope I can help you someday -Original Message- From: R.S. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 8:49 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: WLM Ted MacNEIL wrote: Do you feel comfortable in all: WLM, DFS/SMB, sendmail, HSM, hardware, JES2, ICSF, CICS, RMM, ZFS, sysplex, to name a few ? I don't. From the other hand I agree, it is good to aks proper question. It also requires some knowledge. Sometimes such preparation to ask the question includes the answer. Yes, but. In this case, there was a message from the WLM. If you don't know where to look up a message, then you have a big problem. There is messages codes. There is LOOKAT. There is QUIKREF. IBM-Main should NOT be your first source for determining what a message means! You're absolutely right. My comment was general, not related to the thread origin. BTW: Sometimes it is big help to enlight user that such thing like Messages and Codes exist. Folks experienced on other platforms usually have no idea that it is available. Been there seen that. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html - This electronic mail message contains information that (a) is or may be CONFIDENTIAL, PROPRIETARY IN NATURE, OR OTHERWISE PROTECTED BY LAW FROM DISCLOSURE, and (b) is intended only for the use of the addressee(s) named herein. If you are not an intended recipient, please send an email immediately to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and take the steps necessary to delete the message completely from your computer system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Address Spaces, Processes, Tasks - confusing...
Michael Knigge wrote: All, we are currently doing our first steps with C on z/OS (MVS Environment). Now, everything is somewhat different than under UNIX or Windows. For example the call of fork() is somewhat strange. In my multithreaded application I can't use fork. I can't use subtasks if I use threads. fork() somehow works, but I can't see the SYSOUT/SYSPRINT of the forked process. The manual is somehow confusing - for me. Now, I guess everything would become clearer if I would know exactly all the magic of address spaces, processes, thraeds, tasks, subtasks and so on. For example, just a few minutes ago I've read in an IBM manual that there exist single-process address spaces and multiple-process address spaces (never heard about that before). Now is is task a process? If I use subtasks - do I use multiple-process address spaces? What is the difference between a subtask and a thread? What is the difference between a job and a started task? So, there are many many questions I need/want to understand all this stuff better. Could someone tell me what IBM Manual would be a good choice to start? I've tried POP (Principles of Operation) but this wasn't the right one... This might help a little. We have some papers on our website that are available for free, one of which is an introduction to z/OS, LE, and z/OS UNIX. Go here: http://www.trainersfriend.com/General_content/Book_site.htm and select the first paper in the list. It should get you started, anyway. Hope it helps. Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. ad Also, if you want to get comfortable with z/OS UNIX in its peculiarities, consider our z/OS UNIX curriculum: http://www.trainersfriend.com/UNIX_and_Web_courses/unixcurric.htm /ad Thank you very much, Michael -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: How do you train your Z machine operation stuff?
One thing we did that you might also find useful was to license E10S0 - Fundamental System Skills in z/OS and OS/390 from the IBM Virtual classroom (IBM Digital Video Library). There are a few other potentially useful courses. Google IBM Video Library Or http://www-304.ibm.com/jct03001c/services/learning/ites.wss/us/en?pageTy pe=pagec=a142 Best Regards, Sam Knutson, GEICO Performance and Availability Management mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (office) 301.986.3574 Think big, act bold, start simple, grow fast... -Original Message- On Tue, 4 Apr 2006 09:37:12 +0200, Itschak Mugzach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am looking for some hints, PowerPoint, etc. on how to train our operations. Thanks for your advise. This email/fax message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution of this email/fax is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy all paper and electronic copies of the original message. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: WLM
If I had a dollar/euro for everytime that I read a message and didn't have a clue as to what it meant, I wouldn't be on the list today! [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4/7/2006 8:59:07 AM I know where to look up messages too, been there done that also. However as I think you know, not all messages are clear and explain the problem. I am not an expert on WLM so I thought I would ask the list. Hope I can help you someday -Original Message- From: R.S. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 8:49 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: WLM Ted MacNEIL wrote: Do you feel comfortable in all: WLM, DFS/SMB, sendmail, HSM, hardware, JES2, ICSF, CICS, RMM, ZFS, sysplex, to name a few ? I don't. From the other hand I agree, it is good to aks proper question. It also requires some knowledge. Sometimes such preparation to ask the question includes the answer. Yes, but. In this case, there was a message from the WLM. If you don't know where to look up a message, then you have a big problem. There is messages codes. There is LOOKAT. There is QUIKREF. IBM-Main should NOT be your first source for determining what a message means! You're absolutely right. My comment was general, not related to the thread origin. BTW: Sometimes it is big help to enlight user that such thing like Messages and Codes exist. Folks experienced on other platforms usually have no idea that it is available. Been there seen that. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html - This electronic mail message contains information that (a) is or may be CONFIDENTIAL, PROPRIETARY IN NATURE, OR OTHERWISE PROTECTED BY LAW FROM DISCLOSURE, and (b) is intended only for the use of the addressee(s) named herein. If you are not an intended recipient, please send an email immediately to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and take the steps necessary to delete the message completely from your computer system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: WLM
R.S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Ted MacNEIL wrote: Do you feel comfortable in all: WLM, DFS/SMB, sendmail, HSM, hardware, JES2, ICSF, CICS, RMM, ZFS, sysplex, to name a few ? I don't. From the other hand I agree, it is good to aks proper question. It also requires some knowledge. Sometimes such preparation to ask the question includes the answer. Yes, but. In this case, there was a message from the WLM. If you don't know where to look up a message, then you have a big problem. There is messages codes. There is LOOKAT. There is QUIKREF. IBM-Main should NOT be your first source for determining what a message means! You're absolutely right. My comment was general, not related to the thread origin. BTW: Sometimes it is big help to enlight user that such thing like Messages and Codes exist. Folks experienced on other platforms usually have no idea that it is available. Been there seen that. That is why I mentioned lack of training. After some basic training, you will know what your basic tools are, a bit how to use them and where to find them (paper, local bookserver, IBM site). Apparently this seems to be too expensive for some employers these days... Kees. ** For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. ** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: MVS Batchpipes Pipe Works
Hi Warner, How about using either DFSORT/ICETOOL or SYNCSORT/SYNCTOOL? Both have extensive data manipulation facilities and both are wicked fast compared to IEBGENER. http://www.ibm.com/servers/storage/support/software/sort/mvs/index.html http://www.syncsort.com Best Regards, Sam Knutson, GEICO Performance and Availability Management mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (office) 301.986.3574 Think big, act bold, start simple, grow fast... -Original Message- On Thu, 6 Apr 2006 20:30:34 -0400, Warner Mach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear List: . We have a vendor program that produces various records at a fixed blksize. It is necessary to reformat these blocks into smaller recsize/blksize. We do this with a long set of IEBGENER jobs. . It would appear that 'MVS Batchpipes' would allow us to do these operations without having to write out the intermediate records that are read by IEBGENER ... I This email/fax message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution of this email/fax is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy all paper and electronic copies of the original message. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: zIIP (Was: Looking for SRB sample in PL/I or COBOL)
Timothy Sipples wrote: The bottom line, as we all know, is that IBM wants to keep the margins up on engines running traditional workloads, while competing with cheaper iron for work that they perceive might otherwise be in danger of migrating there. Basically says it all - even IBM admits it. I do not speak for IBM in any official capacity, but no, IBM does not admit any such thing. IBM is indeed a publicly traded company with a duty to shareholders to maximize profits (or so my economics textbooks told me), but the only (durable) way to do this is to deliver excellent products that people want to buy in ever greater quantities. And you can't do that in the technology business without spending serious coin ($1.2 billion on the System z9, for example; a goodly fraction of that just on tools/utilities) and beating competition (fairly). No company can say, I think we'll keep our margins high this month. Doesn't work, at least not for long. If we just (artifically -- I'll buy your argument for half a minute here) look only at CPs, the acquisition prices have collapsed and the operating costs have fallen even faster. In fact, since the PCM era prices and costs have fallen *faster*. Here's what's happened just in the past few years (and just with traditional workloads), all to lower costs: [yada, yada, yada ...] 1. Tell me about all the customers new to z/OS; especially those who have moved off of UNIX, Linux, or Windows servers onto the z/OS platform. 2. Tell me if you had young kids you would actively encourage them to look at z/OS for a career. Kind regards, -Steve Comstock -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: WLM
Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM wrote: R.S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Ted MacNEIL wrote: Do you feel comfortable in all: WLM, DFS/SMB, sendmail, HSM, hardware, JES2, ICSF, CICS, RMM, ZFS, sysplex, to name a few ? I don't. From the other hand I agree, it is good to aks proper question. It also requires some knowledge. Sometimes such preparation to ask the question includes the answer. Yes, but. In this case, there was a message from the WLM. If you don't know where to look up a message, then you have a big problem. There is messages codes. There is LOOKAT. There is QUIKREF. IBM-Main should NOT be your first source for determining what a message means! You're absolutely right. My comment was general, not related to the thread origin. BTW: Sometimes it is big help to enlight user that such thing like Messages and Codes exist. Folks experienced on other platforms usually have no idea that it is available. Been there seen that. That is why I mentioned lack of training. After some basic training, you will know what your basic tools are, a bit how to use them and where to find them (paper, local bookserver, IBM site). Apparently this seems to be too expensive for some employers these days... Not necessarily. Usually I enlight users with this information during mainframe courses I teach. This is the place where they learn about Bookreader, even if it is out of scope. Some of users try to browse pdf's, however in totally unorganized way - just bunch of files. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: WLM
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 2:35 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: WLM snip I agree with Ted. There are more and more questions coming from two sources that de-motivate my willingness to help others in trouble: One is from people that clearly did not do enough research in their manuals, that is why I spent 2 minutes locating the manual and chapter that answered the question. The other is from people that apparently have been declared MVS system programmer and are thrown into the deep without any decent training. I feel pitty for the last group, since they probably can't help it. They should convice their management that you can't be a z/OS expert without training, like you can't become a 30-ton-truckdriver in one day. Kees. And, like the truck driver, if you go ahead and try, you end up causing accidents! Very good analogy. I'll remember that one! -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer UICI Insurance Center Information Technology This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and its content is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this transmission, or taking any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: WLM
Philip Miscione [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I know where to look up messages too, been there done that also. However as I think you know, not all messages are clear and explain the problem. I am not an expert on WLM so I thought I would ask the list. Makes me wonder who has set up the WLM configuration in your shop. Can't you ask him/her? Setting up WLM and Sysplex, someone must have read the multisystem enclave part and decided it was not relevant to the installation? Kees. ** For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. ** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: zIIP (Was: Looking for SRB sample in PL/I or COBOL)
Steve, I can answer that last part. I encouraged my daughter (Kristine Harper) to go into mainframe software development. She majored in Computer Science at University of Arizona and graduated this last summer with twelve job offers. She heads up the z/Next Gen project at SHARE, and they had over fifty attendees at their sessions (all new to z/OS platform). The interesting thing is that out of her major graduating class of over two hundred, only a few have jobs in the computer business (all in the game software development area). One here in Sugar Land is working as a restaurant manager. Jobs in the JAVA C++ area are hard to come by at this time. I'm no expert, but I believe most of the corporate infrastructure development was done in the 1995-2002 time- frame, and demand has dropped off precipitously in that area. Also, many conversion projects have been cancelled. I think when you do career selection, you need to look towards the future. I do not see non z/OS platforms doing what z/OS is doing in the future. Our customer's data processing business is experiencing a healthy growth rate, and has been for some time. As some baby boomers in the main frame business retire, more and more positions will open up. I think the future looks bright in this area. But that's just my personal experience and opinions. I'm sure there are others out there that have different experiences and thoughts. Tom Harper 2. Tell me if you had young kids you would actively encourage them to look at z/OS for a career. Kind regards, -Steve Comstock -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: WLM
On Fri, 7 Apr 2006 00:00:00 GMT, Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In this case, there was a message from the WLM. If you don't know where to look up a message, then you have a big problem. There is messages codes. There is LOOKAT. There is QUIKREF. Ted, lighten up. Look up all the error messages the person posted and show me where any of them tell you this has anything to do with multi system enclaves and that if you aren't using them you can ignore the message. You are speaking from the point of view of someone who already is very familiar with WLM, sysplex, and z/OS. As Kees said, you would have to read the WLM manual (assuming you knew where to look) to find the correct answer to the poster's question. Now that being said, the correct answer was readily avialable in the ibm-main archives (or google). That would be the better place to look first if an error message wasn't clear or didn't give a black and white answer. Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
LE runtime application specific options for CICS TS 2.2
Does anyone have experience with setting up application specific run time options in CICS TS 2.2? In chapter 4 of z/OS V1R4.0 Language Environment Customization there is a short write on this, but I can not seem to get it working. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: WLM
Richard Pinion [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... If I had a dollar/euro for everytime that I read a message and didn't have a clue as to what it meant, I wouldn't be on the list today! So would I, but it would be IMS or CICS or WAS messages because they are not my expertise and I am not supposed to understand them nor mess around with the products. With messages about my expertise, I know where to find them and how to search further in relevant manuals, consult colleagues and find the answers most of the time, at least for the level of why the system issues IWM052I. Kees. ** For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. ** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: LE runtime application specific options for CICS TS 2.2
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Peter Ten Eyck Does anyone have experience with setting up application specific run time options in CICS TS 2.2? In chapter 4 of z/OS V1R4.0 Language Environment Customization there is a short write on this, but I can not seem to get it working. Are you referring to the CEEUOPT module that you would link-edit into each individual program in the application? or the region-specific CEEROPT implementation whereby you code unique LE options that would be global within a specific CICS? For the latter, simply code up the LE options you want and assemble/linkedit that source into a load module named CEEROPT, and store it in a library concatenated in //DFHRPL. -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: WLM
Is this not what he was doing, are we not considered his colleagues? consult colleagues [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4/7/2006 9:50:03 AM Richard Pinion [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... If I had a dollar/euro for everytime that I read a message and didn't have a clue as to what it meant, I wouldn't be on the list today! So would I, but it would be IMS or CICS or WAS messages because they are not my expertise and I am not supposed to understand them nor mess around with the products. With messages about my expertise, I know where to find them and how to search further in relevant manuals, consult colleagues and find the answers most of the time, at least for the level of why the system issues IWM052I. Kees. ** For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. ** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: WLM
In a message dated 4/7/2006 8:42:04 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Makes me wonder who has set up the WLM configuration in your shop. Can't you ask him/her? Setting up WLM and Sysplex, someone must have read the multisystem enclave part and decided it was not relevant to the installation? Yeah, this is just butt stupid. If your vehicle dropped to three miles per gallon would you a)Post to a list b)Change vehicles c)Sue the oil companies d)Have it serviced Anyway one more time. Cheryl Watson has a product Goal Tender that will look at SMF and WLM policies. Still takes care and feeding -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: zIIP (Was: Looking for SRB sample in PL/I or COBOL)
Tom Harper wrote: Steve, I can answer that last part. I encouraged my daughter (Kristine Harper) to go into mainframe software development. She majored in Computer Science at University of Arizona and graduated this last summer with twelve job offers. Tom, I met Kris at SHARE in Seattle. I'd even heard about her before I met her. Great kid (well, at my age, they're all kids, right?). She heads up the z/Next Gen project at SHARE, and they had over fifty attendees at their sessions (all new to z/OS platform). I met a few of the z/Next Gen folks. Young and enthusiastic (as young people should be). Iris is the right person to be spearheading them, too. The interesting thing is that out of her major graduating class of over two hundred, only a few have jobs in the computer business (all in the game software development area). One here in Sugar Land is working as a restaurant manager. Jobs in the JAVA C++ area are hard to come by at this time. I'm no expert, but I believe most of the corporate infrastructure development was done in the 1995-2002 time- frame, and demand has dropped off precipitously in that area. Also, many conversion projects have been cancelled. I think when you do career selection, you need to look towards the future. I do not see non z/OS platforms doing what z/OS is doing in the future. Our customer's data processing business is experiencing a healthy growth rate, and has been for some time. As some baby boomers in the main frame business retire, more and more positions will open up. I think the future looks bright in this area. But that's just my personal experience and opinions. I'm sure there are others out there that have different experiences and thoughts. Exactly. My experiences are that most of the prosepects we call on tell us they are getting off the mainframe; even some of the long-time big processing shops are either trying to position to move off, or they are outsourcing their mainframe work. Sure there will be some work on z/OS in the future, but it will be done by a shrinking core of companies that are kinda' locked in. But as I've written before, IBM is not winning the hearts and minds of the people who make the purchase / lease decisions for IT systems. The mainframe is perceived as obsolete and stodgy, even if that is not a fair assesment. As far as I do not see non z/OS platforms doing what z/OS is doing in the future, management seems to agree only in the sense they intend to do their work differently, so there will be no need for z/OS style work. I consider myself an optimist; but the z/OS future looks bleak to me; and you may have seen my earlier post that I am now looking for other work because I can no longer support myself doing z/OS appication programmer training. [If that changes soon, I'll be happy to get back into it; but I need to make a living!] Kind regards, -Steve Comstock -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Repost modified: Questions on DFHSM processing
Hi, and sorry in advance if this is a simple question. I'm not a storage administrator, but am trying to figure out some things about how our system operates. Our environment is z.OS 1.4, running DFSMS/hsm as well as DFHSMdss and DFSMSrmm. We use both automatic backups of changed datasets and ML!/ML2 migration. In reading the manuals and piecing together what we have running here, I have determined that we run an EXPIREBV EXECUTE NONSMS(DBU(60) CATALOGED UNCATALOGED(60)) command on a weekly basis, followed the next day by a RECYCLE command for tape consolidation. As far as I can tell, we don't use ABARS. We do full volume backups of the entire system daily outside of DFSMShsm control which we duplicate and send 2 sets offsite. Currently we do not duplicate our ML2 or HSM backup tapes (yes I know that's bad). I want to start doing this. However, I'm confused as to how this is supposed to work. We use PARTIALTAPEREUSE so we can fill up our 3590 tapes and keep the number of HSM tapes to a manageable size. The manual seems to indicate that I can't use this if I want to duplicate the tapes to send a copy offsite. Here's what I want to do. For both ML2 and backups, I want HSM to reuse partially filled tapes to do the backups/migrations and then to copy the tapes to duplicates that I can send offsite. The next time migration/backups run I want HSM to make new duplicates of both the partially filled and completely filled tapes to send offsite, and HSM to tell RMM to scratch the previous offsite duplicates. Can I do this, and if so, how? Thanks in advance. Rex Pommier † CNA Surety 101 South Phillips Ave Sioux Falls, SD 57104 605-977-7719 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
To Darren
Darren, I just had a post rejected automatically because it contained an excessive amount of quoted material from previous posts. Can you spell out the criteria here? How is one supposed to keep the thread clear if I cannot quote the originating thoughts? What are the parameters? At least give us some guidelines. Kind regards, -Steve Comstock -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: zIIP (Was: Looking for SRB sample in PL/I or COBOL)
Steve, I understand your dilemma, but I think you may be seeing just a part of the picture. I think most companies developed their z/OS infrastructure applications during the seventies and early eighties, and their cadre of application developers is not large and shrinking, and that is what you are seeing. However, systems software development is strong and getting stronger, and although I'm certain that there are applications out there that should be moved off the mainframe platform, there are just as many or more that are correctly hosted on z/OS. As you have correctly pointed out, perception is the key. A survey of ten of the top largest University Computer Science program chair people last year showed the surprising (maybe not so surprising) revelation that all of them thought mainframes had gone away in the 1990's. In reality, most of their financial transactions are done by mainframes, even if they are blissfully unaware of it. Meanwhile, they churn out graduates for which there are few or no jobs. Go figure. IBM is working to turn this perception around, but it is a difficult job. They have made progress, but they have a long ways to go. Tom Harper Exactly. My experiences are that most of the prosepects we call on tell us they are getting off the mainframe; even some of the long-time big processing shops are either trying to position to move off, or they are outsourcing their mainframe work. Sure there will be some work on z/OS in the future, but it will be done by a shrinking core of companies that are kinda' locked in. But as I've written before, IBM is not winning the hearts and minds of the people who make the purchase / lease decisions for IT systems. The mainframe is perceived as obsolete and stodgy, even if that is not a fair assesment. As far as I do not see non z/OS platforms doing what z/OS is doing in the future, management seems to agree only in the sense they intend to do their work differently, so there will be no need for z/OS style work. I consider myself an optimist; but the z/OS future looks bleak to me; and you may have seen my earlier post that I am now looking for other work because I can no longer support myself doing z/OS appication programmer training. [If that changes soon, I'll be happy to get back into it; but I need to make a living!] Kind regards, -Steve Comstock -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: To Darren
Steve, I fell foul of this sort of problem almost as soon as I started - just a few months ago - posting to this list/group. I was advised by one of the kind contributors to remove the automatically appended four or five lines at the bottom - and all was well. This is my chance to return the favour - in kind. This appears to be one of those misleading messages that is the subject of a parallel thread. Chris Mason P.S. Now to go and X the stuff at the bottom ... - Original Message - From: Steve Comstock [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Sent: Friday, 07 April, 2006 4:56 PM Subject: To Darren Darren, I just had a post rejected automatically because it contained an excessive amount of quoted material from previous posts. Can you spell out the criteria here? How is one supposed to keep the thread clear if I cannot quote the originating thoughts? What are the parameters? At least give us some guidelines. Kind regards, -Steve Comstock -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: LE runtime application specific options for CICS TS 2.2
I am refering to the CEEUOPT module that you would link-edit into each individual program in the application. I have the region-specific CEEROPT working. I have linked CEEUOPT into my programs, but the one override that I have in CEEUOPT does seem to work? The following is my assembly and link of the table and the link for the application program: //STEP1 EXEC PGM=ASMA90,PARM='DECK,NOOBJECT' //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* //SYSUT1 DD UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(CYL,(1,1)) //SYSUT2 DD UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(CYL,(1,1)) //SYSUT3 DD UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(CYL,(1,1)) //SYSPUNCH DD DSN=TEMPOBJ(CEEUOPT),DISP=(,PASS),UNIT=SYSDA, // SPACE=(TRK,(1,1,1)),DCB=(BLKSIZE=3120,LRECL=80,DSORG=PO) //SYSLIB DD DSN=CEE.SCEEMAC,DISP=SHR // DD DSN=SYS1.MACLIB,DISP=SHR ++ //SYSIN DD * CEEUOPT CSECT CEEUOPT AMODE ANY CEEUOPT RMODE ANY CEEXOPT STACK=(4K,4080,ANY,KEEP,4K,4080) END /* //STEP2EXEC PGM=IEWL, // PARM='NCAL,RENT,LIST,XREF,LET,MAP,SIZE=(K,96K)' //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* //SYSUT1 DD UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(TRK,(5,5)) //SYSLMOD DD DSNAME=TECH.CA1M.LOAD,DISP=SHR //SYSLIB DD DSN=TEMPOBJ,DISP=(OLD,PASS) //SYSLIN DD * INCLUDE SYSLIB(CEEUOPT) ENTRY CEEUOPT ORDER CEEUOPT NAME CEEUOPT(R) /* //* END OF JOB CEEWUOPT // //LKED EXEC PGM=HEWL //SYSLIB DD DSN=TECH.CA1M.LOAD,DISP=SHR // DD DSN=CEE.SCEELKED,DISP=SHR // DD DSN=CICSTS22.CICS.SDFHLOAD.MAINT,DISP=SHR // DD DSN=FFM.DVLP.LOADLIB,DISP=SHR //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=Q //SYSLIN DD DSNAME=LOADSET,DISP=(OLD,DELETE) //SYSLMOD DD DSN=FFM.DVLP.LOADLIB(V4AUTOBL),DISP=SHR //*YSLMOD DD DSN=FFM.DVLP.LOADLIB(V4DCA900),DISP=SHR //* SPACE=(TRK,(10,10,1)), //* UNIT=SYSALLDA,DISP=(MOD,PASS) //SYSUT1 DD UNIT=SYSALLDA,SPACE=(TRK,(10,10)) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Any details on this migration
We run both CA-Datacom and DB2; my perception (not yet backed up by figures) is that Datacom is considerably less resource-intensive than DB2. One thing I hope to do this year is to figure out a way to compare their performance. First I need to make sure they are reasonably well-tuned, though, and then I need to try to determine what sort of differences there are in resource chargeback. Jon snip The conversion was from CA-IDEAL to Micro Focus Cobol and the migration of CA-DATACOM to Oracle. http://www.move2open.com/m2o-bupa-success-story.html Given that CA-DATACOM is a '4gl' database, I would suspect that it might not scale well and may have been slurping a lot of horsepower. And, given CA's historic pricing postures. /snip -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
JES2 Checkpoint Lock Held
Hi, I had a problem where one system in the MAS had the JES2 chkpt lock held. There are 2 systems in the MAS. In this situation can you reset the lock being held without doing further damage ? Please advise. Thanks Dean Dean Montevago Sr. Systems Specialist Visiting Nurse Service of New York (212) 609 - 5596 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: JES2 Checkpoint Lock Held
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean Montevago Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 10:24 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: JES2 Checkpoint Lock Held Hi, I had a problem where one system in the MAS had the JES2 chkpt lock held. There are 2 systems in the MAS. In this situation can you reset the lock being held without doing further damage ? Please advise. Thanks Dean Dean Montevago The big question is WHY did the other system have the lock held? If the other system is DEAD and DOWN (i.e. an IPL is going to be done on it), then resetting the checkpoint lock is OK. If the other system is suspended for some reason (such as lack of CPU due to being in a low-priority LPAR or DASD reserve or ???), then resetting the lock might cause data corruption on the SPOOL. JES2 will likely recover from this, but the affect job/tso/stc might die. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer UICI Insurance Center Information Technology This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and its content is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this transmission, or taking any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: JES2 Checkpoint Lock Held
I was bringing down an ISV product that monitors our DASD. JES2 was suspended not dead. ok now the truthI was bringing down this software on one system and started to bring it down on the other before the first shutdown was complete. This software issues reserves for some reason and I think that since 2 shutdowns were taking place at the sometime had something to do with it. It was a timing thing. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 11:46 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: JES2 Checkpoint Lock Held -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean Montevago Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 10:24 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: JES2 Checkpoint Lock Held Hi, I had a problem where one system in the MAS had the JES2 chkpt lock held. There are 2 systems in the MAS. In this situation can you reset the lock being held without doing further damage ? Please advise. Thanks Dean Dean Montevago The big question is WHY did the other system have the lock held? If the other system is DEAD and DOWN (i.e. an IPL is going to be done on it), then resetting the checkpoint lock is OK. If the other system is suspended for some reason (such as lack of CPU due to being in a low-priority LPAR or DASD reserve or ???), then resetting the lock might cause data corruption on the SPOOL. JES2 will likely recover from this, but the affect job/tso/stc might die. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer UICI Insurance Center Information Technology This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and its content is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this transmission, or taking any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Any details on this migration
Actually, let me rephrase that statement: Datacom seems to be less resource-intensive than DB2 *given the operating parameters and the workloads at this shop*. There are so many differences between the way we use them that may make a meaningful comparison all but impossible. Jon snip We run both CA-Datacom and DB2; my perception (not yet backed up by figures) is that Datacom is considerably less resource-intensive than DB2. /snip -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Messages and Codes (was WLM)
I absolutely agree with Radoslaw. People from other platforms have no idea there are books covering all possible messages. Concept of unique message identificator is unknown to them. When I teach new people for z/OS it is second thing I tell them. First one is that it helps to remember numbers (3390, 3270 etc) and abbreviations. Marian Gasparovic IBM Slovakia On 4/7/06, R.S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW: Sometimes it is big help to enlight user that such thing like Messages and Codes exist. Folks experienced on other platforms usually have no idea that it is available. Been there seen that. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
IRA400E
Several day ago we received the following messages: IRA400E 04,PAGEABLE STORAGE SHORTAGE IRA403E PXXX SWAPPED TO RECLAIM PROCESSOR STORAGE; 001759 PAGES 000117 FIXED etc... Then we received: IRA401E 04,CRITICAL PAGEABLE STORAGE SHORTAGE IRA403E IOAOSASF SWAPPED TO RECLAIM PROCESSOR STORAGE; 002057 PAGES 57 FIXED etc.. The system locked up and we had to IPL. We are z/OS V1R4 and we have RMF and CA-SYSVIEW. What can we do to prevent this from happening again. Are there reports we can run or an alert we can set-up if an address space goes wild and starts eating up storage. Any help would be appreciated. If you have an example of a report we could execute to help determine which task are using an excessive amount of storage would be helpful. Thank You -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FDR/DSF Dataset dump - how?
i think that the secret is 'select catdsn'. pretty sure tha tuse to work for me //RESTORE EXEC PGM=FDRDSF,REGION=4M 00280303 //*TEPLIB DD DISP=SHR,DSN=ASD.FDR.V53.MODFDR53 00280403 //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* 00280503 //TAPE1DD DSN=ASD.CNKELJJ.EJES.BKMGR,UNIT=(ETAPE,,DEFER), 00280603 // DISP=OLD,VOL=SER=123456 00280703 //ABRDUMMY DD DUMMY 00280803 //ABRWORK DD UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(CYL,(1,1)) 00280903 DUMP TYPE=DSF,DSNENQ=NONE 00281003 SELECT CATDSN=ASD.EJES.EJESH230.**,NVOL=SMP267 00281103 /* 00281203 // Jack Kelly LA Systems @ US Courts x 202-502-2390 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FDR/DSF Dataset dump - how?
Take a look at this, //STEP010 EXEC PGM=FDRARCH //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* //SYSUDUMP DD SYSOUT=* //ARCHIVE DD DSN=BHSRP.RWP.ARCHIVE, // DISP=(,CATLG,DELETE),UNIT=SYSDA, // SPACE=(TRK,(50)) //SYSIN DD * FORMAT RECS= //* //STEP015 EXEC PGM=FDRABR //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* //SYSPRIN1 DD SYSOUT=* //SYSPRIN2 DD SYSOUT=* //SYSUDUMP DD SYSOUT=* //ABRMAPDD SYSOUT=* //ARCHIVE DD DSN=BHSRP.RWP.ARCHIVE,DISP=SHR //TAPE1 DD DSN=BHSRP.NOTHNG,DISP=(,KEEP,DELETE), // UNIT=TAPE,LABEL=RETPD=61,VOL=(,,,255) //SYSIN DD * DUMP TYPE=APPL,ARCBACKUP=NO,FORMAT=NEW,MAXCARDS=,PRINT=ABR, BUFNO=MAX,DSNENQ=NONE,ENQ=OFF,ENQERR=NO SELECT CATDSN=ZOS15.SMPE.** Only hitch is that if you dump to a disk rather than tape the names on disk won't be what you specify in the JCL. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4/7/2006 12:32:33 PM I've exhausted the FDR docs, and searched... but I'm struggling to come up with a way to do what I think is a simple task.. I need to create a dump of multiple datasets that a)exist on multiple SMS volumes b)accessed via catalog search c)the output goes to one dataset on disk Now in DFDSS, its simple, i just code something like DUMP DATASET(INCLUDE(blah,blah)) OUTDD(OUT) etc etc I've tried DSF, but it seems to insist on specifying all the input volumes in JCL and a matching TAPEx DD for the output. Also looked as FDRAPPL, as it allows catalog search (CATDSN=), but again seems to want a separate output dataset for each input disk volume, and then even worse it doesn't allow the output datasets on SMS volumes (FDR324 REASON R)... I've used FDR on and off for 20+ years (but not much in the past 5) and realise that it has its roots as a volume based product, but i find it hard to beleive that in the SMS world we now live in, it can't do this. I just can't see a way to do it.. have I missed something? Regards Roy -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Single-step through a REXX?
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you write: Is it possible to single-step through a REXX without have to add a lot of diagnostic messages? I have never run rexx under TSO, but under VM the Trace command gives many options. Check the help, especially the ? option. -- Rich Greenberg Marietta, GA, USA richgr atsign panix.com+ 1 770 321 6507 Eastern time. N6LRT I speak for myself my dogs only. VM'er since CP-67 Canines:Val, Red Shasta (RIP),Red, husky Owner:Chinook-L Atlanta Siberian Husky Rescue. www.panix.com/~richgr/ Asst Owner:Sibernet-L -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IRA400E
Mark, Unless you had a uniquely ill-behaved program gobbling paging space, the cause is that you don't have enough paging space. The thresholds for these events are at high levels of page space utilization, far above the 30% utilization guideline for best performance. Assuming you've eliminated a pathological cause, you should increase significantly your paging configuration by PAGEADDing one or two large page data sets. As a standby measure, you should always have another page data set in reserve, to be PAGEADDed upon receiving the IRA400E message. Please follow up on this problem. Good luck! Steve Samson Mark Steely wrote: Several day ago we received the following messages: IRA400E 04,PAGEABLE STORAGE SHORTAGE IRA403E PXXX SWAPPED TO RECLAIM PROCESSOR STORAGE; 001759 PAGES 000117 FIXED etc... Then we received: IRA401E 04,CRITICAL PAGEABLE STORAGE SHORTAGE IRA403E IOAOSASF SWAPPED TO RECLAIM PROCESSOR STORAGE; 002057 PAGES 57 FIXED etc.. The system locked up and we had to IPL. We are z/OS V1R4 and we have RMF and CA-SYSVIEW. What can we do to prevent this from happening again. Are there reports we can run or an alert we can set-up if an address space goes wild and starts eating up storage. Any help would be appreciated. If you have an example of a report we could execute to help determine which task are using an excessive amount of storage would be helpful. Thank You -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FDR/DSF Dataset dump - how?
Actually no matter what DSNAME you specify for TAPEx, when using FDRABR to dump to DISK or TAPE, FDRABR always overrides with internally generated DSNames. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4/7/2006 12:48:15 PM Take a look at this, //STEP010 EXEC PGM=FDRARCH //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* //SYSUDUMP DD SYSOUT=* //ARCHIVE DD DSN=BHSRP.RWP.ARCHIVE, // DISP=(,CATLG,DELETE),UNIT=SYSDA, // SPACE=(TRK,(50)) //SYSIN DD * FORMAT RECS= //* //STEP015 EXEC PGM=FDRABR //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* //SYSPRIN1 DD SYSOUT=* //SYSPRIN2 DD SYSOUT=* //SYSUDUMP DD SYSOUT=* //ABRMAPDD SYSOUT=* //ARCHIVE DD DSN=BHSRP.RWP.ARCHIVE,DISP=SHR //TAPE1 DD DSN=BHSRP.NOTHNG,DISP=(,KEEP,DELETE), // UNIT=TAPE,LABEL=RETPD=61,VOL=(,,,255) //SYSIN DD * DUMP TYPE=APPL,ARCBACKUP=NO,FORMAT=NEW,MAXCARDS=,PRINT=ABR, BUFNO=MAX,DSNENQ=NONE,ENQ=OFF,ENQERR=NO SELECT CATDSN=ZOS15.SMPE.** Only hitch is that if you dump to a disk rather than tape the names on disk won't be what you specify in the JCL. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4/7/2006 12:32:33 PM I've exhausted the FDR docs, and searched... but I'm struggling to come up with a way to do what I think is a simple task.. I need to create a dump of multiple datasets that a)exist on multiple SMS volumes b)accessed via catalog search c)the output goes to one dataset on disk Now in DFDSS, its simple, i just code something like DUMP DATASET(INCLUDE(blah,blah)) OUTDD(OUT) etc etc I've tried DSF, but it seems to insist on specifying all the input volumes in JCL and a matching TAPEx DD for the output. Also looked as FDRAPPL, as it allows catalog search (CATDSN=), but again seems to want a separate output dataset for each input disk volume, and then even worse it doesn't allow the output datasets on SMS volumes (FDR324 REASON R)... I've used FDR on and off for 20+ years (but not much in the past 5) and realise that it has its roots as a volume based product, but i find it hard to beleive that in the SMS world we now live in, it can't do this. I just can't see a way to do it.. have I missed something? Regards Roy -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IRA400E
We had the same situation a week ago with 1 difference. I have a spare page dataset on my system and when this happened, I was able to dynamically activate the dataset and had enough time to get into SDSF DA screen and discover that I had a SAS (actually my monthly MXG rollup) job eating up all my AUX storage. I was able to keep an eye on the system by giving it the extra pagespace and watch the SAS job go to completion. I hasten to add that the SAS/MXG job was working as it was supposed to, but the huge run pointed out a different problem with SMF that I am fixing. I know this doesn't directly answer your monitoring question, but if you have the disk space, you might want to put an extra page dataset in your back pocket just in case... Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Steely Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 11:04 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: IRA400E Several day ago we received the following messages: IRA400E 04,PAGEABLE STORAGE SHORTAGE IRA403E PXXX SWAPPED TO RECLAIM PROCESSOR STORAGE; 001759 PAGES 000117 FIXED etc... Then we received: IRA401E 04,CRITICAL PAGEABLE STORAGE SHORTAGE IRA403E IOAOSASF SWAPPED TO RECLAIM PROCESSOR STORAGE; 002057 PAGES 57 FIXED etc.. The system locked up and we had to IPL. We are z/OS V1R4 and we have RMF and CA-SYSVIEW. What can we do to prevent this from happening again. Are there reports we can run or an alert we can set-up if an address space goes wild and starts eating up storage. Any help would be appreciated. If you have an example of a report we could execute to help determine which task are using an excessive amount of storage would be helpful. Thank You -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FDR/DSF Dataset dump - how?
Richard, Thats something like what I tried with FDRAPPL, and as you say the disk datasets end up with generated names, but it doesnt work when the output is on SMS volumes. neither will it allow an output datsaset to exist on any of the input volumes. Thanks Roy Richard Pinion wrote: Take a look at this, //STEP010 EXEC PGM=FDRARCH //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* //SYSUDUMP DD SYSOUT=* //ARCHIVE DD DSN=BHSRP.RWP.ARCHIVE, // DISP=(,CATLG,DELETE),UNIT=SYSDA, // SPACE=(TRK,(50)) //SYSIN DD * FORMAT RECS= //* //STEP015 EXEC PGM=FDRABR //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* //SYSPRIN1 DD SYSOUT=* //SYSPRIN2 DD SYSOUT=* //SYSUDUMP DD SYSOUT=* //ABRMAPDD SYSOUT=* //ARCHIVE DD DSN=BHSRP.RWP.ARCHIVE,DISP=SHR //TAPE1 DD DSN=BHSRP.NOTHNG,DISP=(,KEEP,DELETE), // UNIT=TAPE,LABEL=RETPD=61,VOL=(,,,255) //SYSIN DD * DUMP TYPE=APPL,ARCBACKUP=NO,FORMAT=NEW,MAXCARDS=,PRINT=ABR, BUFNO=MAX,DSNENQ=NONE,ENQ=OFF,ENQERR=NO SELECT CATDSN=ZOS15.SMPE.** Only hitch is that if you dump to a disk rather than tape the names on disk won't be what you specify in the JCL. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FDR/DSF Dataset dump - how?
Jack, I've tried CATDSN, but although it identifies the datasets, DSF still requires the volumes to be specifed in JCL and I dont want to do this Thanks Roy Jack Kelly wrote: i think that the secret is 'select catdsn'. pretty sure tha tuse to work for me //RESTORE EXEC PGM=FDRDSF,REGION=4M 00280303 //*TEPLIB DD DISP=SHR,DSN=ASD.FDR.V53.MODFDR53 00280403 //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* 00280503 //TAPE1DD DSN=ASD.CNKELJJ.EJES.BKMGR,UNIT=(ETAPE,,DEFER), 00280603 // DISP=OLD,VOL=SER=123456 00280703 //ABRDUMMY DD DUMMY 00280803 //ABRWORK DD UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(CYL,(1,1)) 00280903 DUMP TYPE=DSF,DSNENQ=NONE 00281003 SELECT CATDSN=ASD.EJES.EJESH230.**,NVOL=SMP267 00281103 /* 00281203 // Jack Kelly LA Systems @ US Courts x 202-502-2390 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FDR/DSF Dataset dump - how?
Roy, you are correct that FDR has a volume-orientation. One backup file contains data from only one disk volume. We address this with FDRAPPL (Section 52 in the manual), which allows you to select datasets from the catalog, and FDRAPPL generates multiple backup files for the volumes involved.FDRAPPL: requires a license for FDRABR, or it can be licensed by itself. Please call us if you need more info -- Bruce A. Black Senior Software Developer for FDR Innovation Data Processing 973-890-7300 personal: [EMAIL PROTECTED] sales info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tech support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.innovationdp.fdr.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FDR/DSF Dataset dump - how?
Unless other FDR/FDRDSF/FDRABR users or Bruce Black of Innovation can think of something else, that's probably as close as you will get to your DF/DSS job. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4/7/2006 12:57:48 PM Richard, Thats something like what I tried with FDRAPPL, and as you say the disk datasets end up with generated names, but it doesnt work when the output is on SMS volumes. neither will it allow an output datsaset to exist on any of the input volumes. Thanks Roy Richard Pinion wrote: Take a look at this, //STEP010 EXEC PGM=FDRARCH //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* //SYSUDUMP DD SYSOUT=* //ARCHIVE DD DSN=BHSRP.RWP.ARCHIVE, // DISP=(,CATLG,DELETE),UNIT=SYSDA, // SPACE=(TRK,(50)) //SYSIN DD * FORMAT RECS= //* //STEP015 EXEC PGM=FDRABR //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* //SYSPRIN1 DD SYSOUT=* //SYSPRIN2 DD SYSOUT=* //SYSUDUMP DD SYSOUT=* //ABRMAPDD SYSOUT=* //ARCHIVE DD DSN=BHSRP.RWP.ARCHIVE,DISP=SHR //TAPE1 DD DSN=BHSRP.NOTHNG,DISP=(,KEEP,DELETE), // UNIT=TAPE,LABEL=RETPD=61,VOL=(,,,255) //SYSIN DD * DUMP TYPE=APPL,ARCBACKUP=NO,FORMAT=NEW,MAXCARDS=,PRINT=ABR, BUFNO=MAX,DSNENQ=NONE,ENQ=OFF,ENQERR=NO SELECT CATDSN=ZOS15.SMPE.** Only hitch is that if you dump to a disk rather than tape the names on disk won't be what you specify in the JCL. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IRA400E
We are talking about a shortage of PAGEABLE storage not paged storage. Nothing Mark can do with his PAGE data sets is going to help. Every time we have been bitten by this it was a SORT product being too aggressive in using FIXED frames. Best Regards, Sam Knutson, GEICO Performance and Availability Management mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (office) 301.986.3574 Don't hit the keys so hard, it hurts. IRA400E return-code,PAGEABLE STORAGE SHORTAGE Explanation: The system detected a shortage of pageable central storage frames. In the message text: return-code A code indicating the most severe shortage detected. The higher the return code, the more severe the shortage. The possible values for return-code are as follows: 04Pageable frames between 16 megabytes and 2 gigabytes shortage 03Pageable frames below 16 megabytes shortage 02Pageable frames in real storage shortage 01Pageable to auxiliary (PTA) frames (DREF + fixed pages) in processor storage. System Action: The system rejects LOGON, MOUNT, and START commands. and keeps initiators selecting new jobs from running until the shortage is relieved. The system swaps out the current in-storage address space with the greatest number of fixed frames. The address space remains swapped out until the shortage is relieved. The system writes message IRA403E to identify the heavy fixed page user. System Programmer Response: Examine users of V=R storage and other jobs that have heavy page fix requirements for possible looping or for extraordinary page fix needs. Correct any errors. Source: System resources manager (SRM) Detecting Module: IRARMST2 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Samson Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 12:53 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IRA400E Mark, Unless you had a uniquely ill-behaved program gobbling paging space, the cause is that you don't have enough paging space. The thresholds for these events are at high levels of page space utilization, far above the 30% utilization guideline for best performance. Assuming you've eliminated a pathological cause, you should increase significantly your paging configuration by PAGEADDing one or two large page data sets. As a standby measure, you should always have another page data set in reserve, to be PAGEADDed upon receiving the IRA400E message. Please follow up on this problem. Good luck! Steve Samson This email/fax message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution of this email/fax is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy all paper and electronic copies of the original message. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: (fwd) Delete VSAM file flagged as Open
Friske, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... If there are no enqueues for this data set, the OPEN for UPDATE bit may be on in the VVDS for this data set. What error message are you getting? Do an IDCAMS VERIFY on the data set. Thanks, Mark Thomen Catalog/IDCAMS/VSAM Development -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: JOBCAT and STEPCAT question
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:1144265203.377320.266550 @e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com... I've seen postings that indicate JOBCAT and STEPCAT are being deprecated by IBM. While researching something else, I came across something in the DFSMS:Managing Catalogs book for 1.4 that they cause a performance hit. Can anyone validate if or when JOBCAT and STEPCAT are going away? We don't use them as a normal practice but it comes in handy once in a while when we need to do something with another system's catalog. As long as we are careful and use it sparingly, we don't seem to suffer any ill effects. Given that we already know about the performance implications, does anyone have any other comments? It's not deprecated, it's gone. It was removed in z/OS 1.7. It is disabled in z/OS 1.5 but can be turned on by F CATALOG,ENABLE(JOBSTEPCAT). You should NOT be using it, and convert your jobs to get away from it Thanks, Mark Thomen Catalog/IDCAMS/VSAM Development -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Looking for SRB sample in PL/I or COBOL
Hi Denis, I was thinking about this a bit on the way home the other day. You are obviously frustrated and none of what I suggest will be a silver bullet but there are some things you can do if you have not already. TUNE! Tuning the most heavily CPU intensive portion of those IMS transactions might well pay for itself in a month or two. There are tools like Intune http://www.bmc.com Strobe http://www.compuware.com APA http://www.ibm.com http://www-306.ibm.com/software/awdtools/apa/ Freezeframe http://www.macro4.com and many other profile tools including inspect in OMEGAMON http://www.tivolii.com and CPU PROFILE in TMONMVS http://www.asg.com all of which are available on trials if you don't have any of them installed. GTF trace requires considerable more time to grok but it's included with z/OS for free. Once you find the most expensive program or section of a program optimize it and bring in help if you need it. This might be a case where a product like Data Kinetics tableBASE http://www.DKL.com or a custom developed high performance assembler search routine by http://www.celestini.com/ Art Celestini or one of the other available Wizards For Hire (WFH's) might be the ticket. If nothing else gnaw on the LE performance tips floating in IBM documentation, SHARE papers, and dig into the algorithm that is being used to process the data. Pull out the Knuth's if you must http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~knuth/taocp.html I have found that simply fetching the appropriate volume from the shelf and placing on the desk beside the terminal often exorcises demons from my programs:-) NEGOTIATE! MANAGE! BEAT! vendors into better pricing! Start a SAM Software Asset Management Effort and get off MIPS based pricing with vendors that matter. Participate in the ISVCOSTS mailing list for starters. You might want to join the ISVCOSTS mailing list and review the archives and pose your question in that forum. ISVCOSTS is a no-vendors-allowed discussion list for open discussion by IBM customers of ISV cost issues. http://www.ibm.com/software/solutions/isvcosts/ NOTE: the updated URL courtesy of IBM's genius web master who keeps moving popular pages without providing forwarding so http://www.can.ibm.com/isvcosts/ doesn't work anymore:-( Don't be afraid again to get some help with tooling or advice from folks who know how to play the game http://www.sherkow.com/ and maybe can help you leverage IBM's various pricing schemes like WLC charging to save some money. If all else fails closet yourself and read What Would Machiavelli Do? http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0066620104 and get in touch with your inner evil prince before negotiating that next contract. A good SAM plan is probably the best way to improve the TCO of your mainframe for the business. Good Luck! Best Regards, Sam Knutson, GEICO Performance and Availability Management mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (office) 301.986.3574 Now he has departed from this strange world a little ahead of me. That means nothing. People like us, who believe in physics, know that the distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion. Albert Einstein -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Denis Gaebler Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 8:37 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Looking for SRB sample in PL/I or COBOL Hi List, thanks for the responses so far. It was just an idea, if there was a possibility to move some CPU intensiv pieces of code out to the upcoming zIIP processors (requires SRB envlave mode). In our shop the main cost driver is CPU. Nevertheless, I assume there are more issues waiting, if calling routines as SRB. In high level languages it would be hardly possible to ensure the SRB restrictions such as not calling SVCs etc. Not to mention the authorization issues for normal programs. If that were possible I would have continued to investigate if SRBs could be used in IMS transactions. Some of our IMS transactions do a lot of scanning of in memory tables, which requires a lot of CPU. Since this pieces of code just do memory work, I thought that were candidates for SRBs, since those code sections do not use any IMS services or SVCs. Thanks for your responses. Denis Gaebler. This email/fax message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution of this email/fax is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy all paper and electronic copies of the original message. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at
Re: JOBCAT and STEPCAT question
This change has been coming for a long time and has been discussed at great length. I had expected it to be removed a couple of releases ago. Jon snip It's not deprecated, it's gone. It was removed in z/OS 1.7. It is disabled in z/OS 1.5 but can be turned on by F CATALOG,ENABLE(JOBSTEPCAT). You should NOT be using it, and convert your jobs to get away from it /snip -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Messages and Codes (was WLM)
Unique message identifiers are a wonderful thing. I still don't know why their use isn't more widespread. Too much trouble, maybe? Jon snip I absolutely agree with Radoslaw. People from other platforms have no idea there are books covering all possible messages. Concept of unique message identificator is unknown to them. When I teach new people for z/OS it is second thing I tell them. First one is that it helps to remember numbers (3390, 3270 etc) and abbreviations. /snip -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: JOBCAT and STEPCAT question
On Fri, 2006-04-07 at 11:11 -0700, Mark Thomen wrote: It's [JOBCAT/STEPCAT] not deprecated, it's gone. Once upon a time... a REALLY long time ago... you were required to STEPCAT a catalog if you were opening it as a KSDS. (I'm talking S/370 and XA era.) I haven't had to do this in awhile, but I wonder: when did the requirement go away? -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Floating point simulation
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 04/05/2006 at 10:33 PM, glen herrmannsfeldt [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: The extended precision floating point routines were called from a user supplied SPIE routine, Then there's no ABEND to catch. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Address Spaces, Processes, Tasks - confusing...
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 04/07/2006 at 10:38 AM, Michael Knigge [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: For example the call of fork() is somewhat strange. Fork is a Unix service and doesn't obey the rules for non-Unix services. You should have a bookshelf for z/OS Unix System Services, and I believe that there are some redbooks as well. Now, I guess everything would become clearer if I would know exactly all the magic of address spaces, processes, thraeds, tasks, subtasks and so on. Well, address spaces and tasks are described in the basic MVS documentation, but for processes and threads you must consult the Unix System Services manuals. Now is is task a process? No. The closest Unix analog to a task is a thread. If I use subtasks - do I use multiple-process address spaces? For a Unix application, it depends on how your system is configured. For a non-Unix application, the question doesn't apply. What is the difference between a subtask and a thread? A thread is a unit of work in a Unix context; a task is a unit of work in an MVS context. A task belongs to a jobstep within an address space and a thread belongs to a process. I've tried POP (Principles of Operation) but this wasn't the right one... PoOps doesn't and shouldn't have information on the various operating systems. Look at the Unix bookshelf and at the redbooks. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: WLM
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 04/07/2006 at 09:53 AM, Richard Pinion [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: So would I, but it would be IMS or CICS or WAS messages because they are not my expertise and I am not supposed to understand them nor mess around with the products. Doesn't the z/OS Message Library still have an index of message prefixes? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
IOCP in reverse
I there anyway to get an IOCP back from the processor so it can be worked on. There are a couple in the processor I'de like to get back to look at via HCD and they are missing on the z/OS side. Thanks. - Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Messages and Codes (was WLM)
In a recent note, McKown, John said: Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 13:52:55 -0500 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jon Brock Unique message identifiers are a wonderful thing. I still don't know why their use isn't more widespread. Too much trouble, maybe? For the same reason that there is not a COBOL messages manual. All messages on all other platforms are understandable by all with no futher explanation necessary or even possible. Right? Irony noted. OTOH, the availability of MC should not be used to excuse, as IBM too often does, message texts that are obscure, inadequate, misleading, or just plain wrong. -- gil -- StorageTek INFORMATION made POWERFUL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: To Darren
On Fri, 7 Apr 2006 08:56:39 -0600, Steve Comstock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Darren, ... Can you spell out the criteria here? How is one supposed to keep the thread clear if I cannot quote the originating thoughts? What are the parameters? At least give us some guidelines. ... Actually, he HAS provided guidelines. Or maybe they were general Listserver guidelines. How you would find them in the archives I have no idea. Searching on QUOTE and GUIDELINES would probably bury you in hits. Pat O'Keefe -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IOCP in reverse
Howard, Yes, in as much that you can recreate an IOCP deck from the IOCDS and then import that into an IODF. However, it will only have the minimal Partition, Chpid, Cntlunit, and Device details. Items such as descriptions, serial numbers etc will not be there neither will any OSconfig details. To get a reconstructed IOCP you need to get on the HMC, then Single Object Session to the CPC. From the CPC Tasks window you should see Input/Output Configuration, open this, select the IOCDS and somewhere there is an option to Dissasemble the IOCDS. Create it to a diskette, FTP to z/OS, then from HCD import this into an IODF. It might be best using a new IODF, or you can import into a copy of your existing IODF. Regards Roy Howard Rifkind wrote: I there anyway to get an IOCP back from the processor so it can be worked on. There are a couple in the processor I'de like to get back to look at via HCD and they are missing on the z/OS side. Thanks. - Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: zIIP (Was: Looking for SRB sample in PL/I or COBOL)
Seymour, There could be other reasons it's shrinking, like most of the infrastructure applications are essentially complete. That's exactly why I mentioned it to Steve, because he may be mis-construing training needs and platform viability. Tom Harper Seymour Metz said: In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 04/07/2006 at 10:03 AM, Tom Harper [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I understand your dilemma, Keep in mind what Steve does. If there is no money for training, then the long term prospects are bleak. and their cadre of application developers is not large and shrinking, It's shrinking because they are not committed to the platform. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FDR/DSF Dataset dump - how?
Bruce, thanks for the confirmation.. I started out many years ago on FDR and the volume-orientaion was just something I accepted - the number of DASD was a lot smaller, no SMS etc. (In fact its 'volumeness was always something I missed when i was at a site - I'm contractor - and trying to do full volume dumps with DSS and one of the datasets was cataloged elsewhere and it would spit out errors!! FDR just did 'what it said on the can' a physical dump!!) Anyway now days, apart from allocating specific system datasets, volumes very rarely get specifed, and the same for backups. I had just expected, having been used to DSS for a few years, that I would be able to do similar logical backups to a single dataset with DSF. Maybe you can pass it on as a suggestion. I'll see what I can do with FDRAPPL Thanks Roy Bruce Black wrote: Roy, you are correct that FDR has a volume-orientation. One backup file contains data from only one disk volume. We address this with FDRAPPL (Section 52 in the manual), which allows you to select datasets from the catalog, and FDRAPPL generates multiple backup files for the volumes involved.FDRAPPL: requires a license for FDRABR, or it can be licensed by itself. Please call us if you need more info -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Messages and Codes (was WLM)
As I have said a lot of times that the message tells me what I did wrong if I did everything right. Bob Lawrence DBA Boscov's Dept Stores LLc -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 3:54 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Messages and Codes (was WLM) In a recent note, McKown, John said: Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 13:52:55 -0500 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jon Brock Unique message identifiers are a wonderful thing. I still don't know why their use isn't more widespread. Too much trouble, maybe? For the same reason that there is not a COBOL messages manual. All messages on all other platforms are understandable by all with no futher explanation necessary or even possible. Right? Irony noted. OTOH, the availability of MC should not be used to excuse, as IBM too often does, message texts that are obscure, inadequate, misleading, or just plain wrong. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IRA400E
On Fri, 2006-04-07 at 13:09 -0400, Knutson, Sam wrote: We are talking about a shortage of PAGEABLE storage not paged storage. Nothing Mark can do with his PAGE data sets is going to help. Every time we have been bitten by this it was a SORT product being too aggressive in using FIXED frames. C'mon Sam, ease up on Steve - he ambles away from his comfortable chair and trout fishing to help out and you beat up on him !!! IRA200, IRA400 Phhhttt !!! Anyway, to the point. Hard to monitor in advance for this sort of thing, need to use the evidence you have to amend your processing. Messages tell you who was swapped - check the SADump you took prior to IPL to see what was actually happening at the time. Maybe you need to control region sizes allowed, maybe sort parms, maybe job schedules. Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Any details on this migration
On Fri, 7 Apr 2006 14:38:10 -0300, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 04/05/2006 at 09:10 PM, John S. Giltner, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Our director point to this as see it's possible to migrate a large scale applications off of a IBM mainframe and save money. It's also possible to migrate off of the mainframe and lose a lot of money. Some analysis up front might save some grief down the road. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) I agree 100% and I have been trying to tell them that in the end we will be spending much more money, but after two teams of conslutants have looked at our system they say we will save money. Of course both teams of conslutants are biding to help us re-write and migrate. Some of our board members have the idea that mainframe = expesnive and open systems (Intel) = cheap. They have all had project to migrate some of their applicatons off of mainframe, but they all are still running all of their core applications on mainframes and their applications depend on the data that we provide them. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IRA400E
Sorry folks. I must have just gotten up from a nap when I read the original message. Shane, no trout fishing here, just bridge and taxes. Cheers, Steve Knutson, Sam wrote: We are talking about a shortage of PAGEABLE storage not paged storage. Nothing Mark can do with his PAGE data sets is going to help. Every time we have been bitten by this it was a SORT product being too aggressive in using FIXED frames. Best Regards, -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Messages and Codes (was WLM)
On Apr 7, 2006, at 2:54 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: Irony noted. OTOH, the availability of MC should not be used to excuse, as IBM too often does, message texts that are obscure, inadequate, misleading, or just plain wrong. Gil, And don't forget the COBOL people have stated that a MC for COBOL is not nesc as the messages are self descibing,. Ed -- gil -- StorageTek INFORMATION made POWERFUL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
