Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z
>>> On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 8:33 PM, in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Adam Thornton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -snip- > The Starter System only includes 1 DVD--it doesn't have all the > sources on it. If you need the sources too you should probably get > the regular distro rather than the starter system. I would have said to stick with the starter system, and just download DVD2 for the source RPMs. Or, be like me, and download them all "just in case." It's only network bandwidth. :) Mark Post
Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z
>>> On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 7:23 PM, in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Austin, Alyce (CIV)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > HI, > > When I go to: > http://download.novell.com/Download?buildid=5E7FSKjNTqI~ > This is what I see: > SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z > Multilingual That is indeed the starter system. > But when I go to: > http://download.novell.com/Download?buildid=mW5YqM9Izf8~ > This is what I see: > SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 for zSeries Media Kit That is _not_ the starter system, which is why it doesn't say "starter system" anywhere in the name. Those are the "normal" installation media images that you would use if you don't have z/VM, or you simply want to learn how to do it all yourself. Also known as "doing it the hard way." (Which I strongly recommend at some point, after one has gained some experience with both z/VM and Linux. It's always a good idea to know what your tools are doing behind the scenes.) > Since the first site has two DVD1 and DVD2 and the previous > site only has one DVD to download, which DVDs should I use? Most likely the starter system, unless you want to start learning how to set up an installation server, and do the initial installs yourself. Either way, you're probably not going to have a short-term use for the source RPMs. Mark Post
Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z
On Jul 25, 2008, at 6:23 PM, Austin, Alyce (CIV) wrote: HI, When I go to: http://download.novell.com/Download?buildid=5E7FSKjNTqI~ This is what I see: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z Multilingual sles-10-sp2.starter.system.DVD.s390x.iso 3.2 GB (3470723072) s10sp2.pdf 131.5 KB (134758) s10sp2.txt 95.0 KB (97315) vmaexec.exec 86.9 KB (89040) cmsdexec.exec 232.1 KB (237760) novstart.sampdir 1.4 KB (1440) novstart.sampasc 621 bytes nov191.vmarc 15.4 KB (15840) nov19f.vmarc 32.9 MB (34583120) nov150.vmarc 1.0 GB (1087452880) nov151.vmarc 2.1 GB (2347725120) Install instructions You can either get the DVD image, or simply, all the other files. Transfer the vmarcs as BIN F 80. The Starter System only includes 1 DVD--it doesn't have all the sources on it. If you need the sources too you should probably get the regular distro rather than the starter system. Adam
Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z
HI,
When I go to:
http://download.novell.com/Download?buildid=5E7FSKjNTqI~
This is what I see:
SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z
Multilingual
sles-10-sp2.starter.system.DVD.s390x.iso 3.2 GB (3470723072)
s10sp2.pdf 131.5 KB (134758)
s10sp2.txt 95.0 KB (97315)
vmaexec.exec 86.9 KB (89040)
cmsdexec.exec 232.1 KB (237760)
novstart.sampdir 1.4 KB (1440)
novstart.sampasc 621 bytes
nov191.vmarc 15.4 KB (15840)
nov19f.vmarc 32.9 MB (34583120)
nov150.vmarc 1.0 GB (1087452880)
nov151.vmarc 2.1 GB (2347725120)
Install instructions
But when I go to:
http://download.novell.com/Download?buildid=mW5YqM9Izf8~
This is what I see:
SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 for zSeries Media Kit
Name Size
SLES-10-SP2-CD-s390x-GM-CD1.iso 647.9 MB (679456768)
SLES-10-SP2-CD-s390x-GM-CD2.iso 635.5 MB (666458112)
SLES-10-SP2-CD-s390x-GM-CD3.iso 671.4 MB (704094208)
SLES-10-SP2-CD-s390x-GM-CD4.iso 603.8 MB (633206784)
SLES-10-SP2-DVD-s390x-GM-DVD1.iso 2.5 GB (2687717376)
SLES-10-SP2-DVD-s390x-GM-DVD2.iso 3.0 GB (3312926720)
Install instructions
Since the first site has two DVD1 and DVD2 and the previous
site only has one DVD to download, which DVDs should I use?
Thanks,
Alyce
-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of David Boyes
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 7:02 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM
System z
> Samples are just that, samples, not Holy Writ from ${DIETY}. You can,
of
> course, choose to do anything you like.
Well, as the author, I rather like the idea of saying "let us turn to
chapter 2 of the Gospel of Installation"... 8-) YMMV.
The idea with the 15x separation was to have a small /boot separate
from the bulk of the other parts, and encourage the use of a separate
/home. The setup in the sample is the base we use for most of our
installs, and it's proven to be fairly flexible for different purposes.
What we're trying is to establish a set of basic conventions on how
things are done that start from field-tested practice. I don't want to
prevent you from doing whatever you want, but the default should be
usable for reasonably large ranges of useful.
> Whenever possible, I prefer to have those two volumes only be used for
the
> operating system itself. Any add-on products, such as WebSphere,
etc., or
> applications, would be installed in separate file systems created from
a
> different LVM volume group, using different physical volumes.
This is good practice in any case. The default setup works well with
this philosophy, and it's common good practice in the Unix world.
(Mother's First Law in action...)
Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z
>>> On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 8:30 AM, in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Hilliard, Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have a NCC account and am able to log onto that just fine. For some > reason it just won't download the ISO files (neither SP1 nor SP2). When > I click the download button it downloads a file of 0 bytes. When I use > FlashGet, that's where I see the authorization error. I can download > the other related files just fine. What browser are you using? (Don't use Internet Explorer.) Are you able to download any of the other files, such as s10sp2.pdf (it's small, so it would be a quick test)? > Maybe a call to Novell support is in order. It could be. Mark Post
Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z
We are running 8.2 in 64-bit with SP3. However, I plan on installing SLES 10 SP2 under z/VM 5.3 as a new install. Thanks, Alyce -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Post Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 3:51 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z >>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 6:03 PM, in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Austin, Alyce (CIV)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm glad to hear that you were successful. We will be upgrading > from SuSE 8.2 to SuSE 10 sp2. Not all in one jump, I hope, as that isn't a supported upgrade path. Even if you do it in multiple steps, you also need to know that going from 31-bit to 64-bit is not a supported (or workable) upgrade path. Mark Post
Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z
> Samples are just that, samples, not Holy Writ from ${DIETY}. You can,
of
> course, choose to do anything you like.
Well, as the author, I rather like the idea of saying "let us turn to
chapter 2 of the Gospel of Installation"... 8-) YMMV.
The idea with the 15x separation was to have a small /boot separate
from the bulk of the other parts, and encourage the use of a separate
/home. The setup in the sample is the base we use for most of our
installs, and it's proven to be fairly flexible for different purposes.
What we're trying is to establish a set of basic conventions on how
things are done that start from field-tested practice. I don't want to
prevent you from doing whatever you want, but the default should be
usable for reasonably large ranges of useful.
> Whenever possible, I prefer to have those two volumes only be used for
the
> operating system itself. Any add-on products, such as WebSphere,
etc., or
> applications, would be installed in separate file systems created from
a
> different LVM volume group, using different physical volumes.
This is good practice in any case. The default setup works well with
this philosophy, and it's common good practice in the Unix world.
(Mother's First Law in action...)
Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z
I have a NCC account and am able to log onto that just fine. For some reason it just won't download the ISO files (neither SP1 nor SP2). When I click the download button it downloads a file of 0 bytes. When I use FlashGet, that's where I see the authorization error. I can download the other related files just fine. Maybe a call to Novell support is in order. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Post Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 4:07 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z >>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 3:47 PM, in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Hilliard, Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is anyone having difficulties downloading the ISO files? I haven't heard of anyone having problems, except for people trying to use Internet Explorer running into its 2GB size limit. > I appear to be getting some sort of authorization error... HTTP/1.1 401 > Unauthorized Do you have an NCC (Novell Customer Center) account set up? Mark Post
Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z
>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 6:03 PM, in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Austin, Alyce (CIV)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm glad to hear that you were successful. We will be upgrading > from SuSE 8.2 to SuSE 10 sp2. Not all in one jump, I hope, as that isn't a supported upgrade path. Even if you do it in multiple steps, you also need to know that going from 31-bit to 64-bit is not a supported (or workable) upgrade path. Mark Post
Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z
I'm glad to hear that you were successful. We will be upgrading from SuSE 8.2 to SuSE 10 sp2. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Le Blanc, Frank Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 5:22 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z We downloaded the suse-10 sp2 starter system and installed it with no problems. Using this starter system we are almost finished upgrading a suse-9 guest to suse-10 sp2.
Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z
>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 3:47 PM, in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Hilliard, Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is anyone having difficulties downloading the ISO files? I haven't heard of anyone having problems, except for people trying to use Internet Explorer running into its 2GB size limit. > I appear to be getting some sort of authorization error... HTTP/1.1 401 > Unauthorized Do you have an NCC (Novell Customer Center) account set up? Mark Post
Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z
Is anyone having difficulties downloading the ISO files? I appear to be getting some sort of authorization error... HTTP/1.1 401 Unauthorized -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Post Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 3:19 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z Cross-posted to Linux-390, IBMVM, and IBM-MAIN I'm pleased to announce that the SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z is now available. (Don't you just love the catchy name? I think it just rolls off the tongue.) As before, the good folks at Sine Nomine, working closely with Novell, have created this update. All the comments we received regarding the documentation have been incorporated, in addition to the upgrade to the platform itself. The starter system continues to be a no-cost download for anyone that has a Novell Customer Center account (which is also no-cost). For people that haven't heard of this before: "The SUSE Enterprise Linux Server (SLES) Starter System is a pre-built installation server for SLES that can be installed on your z/VM system using CMS tools, eliminating the need for coordinating access to a separate Linux or Unix system elsewhere on your network and minimizing the impact of network-based installation on your internal and external networks." You can find more information, and links to the download page at http://www.novell.com/partners/ibm/mainframe/starterpack.html Before you download anything, I strongly recommend reading through the installation guide. It's viewable online, via the "view" button for "Install instructions." Or, you can download the PDF (or .txt) file to your desktop by clicking on the download button for s10sp2.pdf, or s10sp2.txt. Hopefully, everything you'll need to know is contained in that document. As with the prior version, having z/VM running is a pre-requisite for this tool. If you don't already have z/VM, and you do have a z10, you might want to consider the z/VM 5.3 Evaluation Edition that IBM has just made available. See http://www.vm.ibm.com/eval/index.html for more details. If you don't have a z10, you'll need to contact your IBM rep. to coordinate a no-cost evaluation. Thank you to all the people that downloaded the SP1 version and tried it out. The number of downloads, and the feedback from the people trying it, made it clear that keeping this tool and upgrading it was good for everyone involved. Mark Post
Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z
Quay, Jonathan (IHG) wrote: Mark and Richard, thanks for the information. I'm new to Linux and come from an IBM mainframe proprietary operating system heritage. I'm slowly realizing that the intended audience for these publications is not the IBM heritage guy, but the Linux guy who's now got to work on Z. One or three of you cats should ping the sponsors of COMMON or SHARE or whomever and ask them to extend me a paid invitation to present on "The Zen of Linux for IBM Mainframers". If it generates enough interest and I get a clearer idea of what the Big Questions are for the community, I might bestir my lazy self to write a (red?)book on this. Seems to be one painfully recurrent and under-addressed topic of discussion these days. -- Jack J. Woehr# "Self-delusion is http://www.well.com/~jax # half the battle!" http://www.softwoehr.com # - Zippy the Pinhead
Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z
>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 12:57 PM, in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Quay, Jonathan (IHG)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mark and Richard, thanks for the information. > > I'm new to Linux and come from an IBM mainframe proprietary operating > system heritage. I'm slowly realizing that the intended audience for > these publications is not the IBM heritage guy, but the Linux guy who's > now got to work on Z. Actually, the Starter System document was written specifically for someone that had little or no z/VM *or* Linux background. The intent was to help someone get off ground zero as fast as possible, and that people using it would come to IBMVM and Linux-390 for help once they'd done that. We didn't think there would be any way to do that, and have an installation document that incorporated so-called best practices (I really, really dislike that term) when setting up their actual proof of concept servers. Mark Post
Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z
Mark and Richard, thanks for the information.
I'm new to Linux and come from an IBM mainframe proprietary operating
system heritage. I'm slowly realizing that the intended audience for
these publications is not the IBM heritage guy, but the Linux guy who's
now got to work on Z.
-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mark Post
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:26 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM
System z
>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 11:36 AM, in message
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]
l>,
"Quay, Jonathan (IHG)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So I am proceeding along with the install and notice that the provided
> CLIENT SAMPDIR shows a 50 cylinder 150 disk, with a 151 disk for the
> rest of that pack and a 152 disk that's another full pack. I can't
find
> any rationale for this, or any further installation instructions that
> take this into account. The SLES installation and admin guide shows a
> single 150. What am I missing?
Samples are just that, samples, not Holy Writ from ${DIETY}. You can,
of course, choose to do anything you like. Since you're following the
Virtualization Cookbook pretty closely, you might want to do things the
way described there. My personal preference is to just give a guest
minidisks defined as "1 to END" and be done with it. I then use Linux
tools to divvy that up as desired. This also reduces the load on the
z/VM systems programmer. Note also that the device numbers 0150-0152
were arbitrarily chosen. You don't need to maintain that, although
having a numbering scheme that is used across your guests is highly
recommended.
Richard says he thinks 50 cylinders is too small for /boot. I disagree.
On my systems, /boot is only using about 16MB, or roughly 23 cylinders,
although it is part of /, and not broken out separately. SLES doesn't
accumulate old kernels in /boot the way RHEL does, for good or ill.
Again, my personal preference is to take a 3390-3, and create two
partitions on it. One, about 400MB, to be used for the root file
system, and the other to be given over to LVM. I take a second 3390-3,
and put one partition on it, all to be used for LVM. I then create
separate file systems for /home, /opt, /srv, /tmp, /usr, and /var. As
Richard indicates, depending on what you're going to be doing with a
particular system, two 3390-3 volumes may be a little skimpy, or just
about right. If you're using 3390-9 volumes, then just one would be
needed, with the two partitions on it for / and LVM.
Whenever possible, I prefer to have those two volumes only be used for
the operating system itself. Any add-on products, such as WebSphere,
etc., or applications, would be installed in separate file systems
created from a different LVM volume group, using different physical
volumes.
Mark Post
Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z
On Jul 22, 2008, at 10:36 AM, Quay, Jonathan (IHG) wrote: So I am proceeding along with the install and notice that the provided CLIENT SAMPDIR shows a 50 cylinder 150 disk, with a 151 disk for the rest of that pack and a 152 disk that's another full pack. I can't find any rationale for this, or any further installation instructions that take this into account. The SLES installation and admin guide shows a single 150. What am I missing? I think my thought was to make the 150 /boot, and put the rest into a decent-sized LVM because a single 3390-3 is a little tight for modern systems. I tend to use mine for development systems, and by the time you have GCC-and-friends and a reasonable amount of workspace, it's cramped. Your mileage may vary. Adam
Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z
>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 11:36 AM, in message
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Quay, Jonathan (IHG)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So I am proceeding along with the install and notice that the provided
> CLIENT SAMPDIR shows a 50 cylinder 150 disk, with a 151 disk for the
> rest of that pack and a 152 disk that's another full pack. I can't find
> any rationale for this, or any further installation instructions that
> take this into account. The SLES installation and admin guide shows a
> single 150. What am I missing?
Samples are just that, samples, not Holy Writ from ${DIETY}. You can, of
course, choose to do anything you like. Since you're following the
Virtualization Cookbook pretty closely, you might want to do things the way
described there. My personal preference is to just give a guest minidisks
defined as "1 to END" and be done with it. I then use Linux tools to divvy
that up as desired. This also reduces the load on the z/VM systems programmer.
Note also that the device numbers 0150-0152 were arbitrarily chosen. You
don't need to maintain that, although having a numbering scheme that is used
across your guests is highly recommended.
Richard says he thinks 50 cylinders is too small for /boot. I disagree. On my
systems, /boot is only using about 16MB, or roughly 23 cylinders, although it
is part of /, and not broken out separately. SLES doesn't accumulate old
kernels in /boot the way RHEL does, for good or ill.
Again, my personal preference is to take a 3390-3, and create two partitions on
it. One, about 400MB, to be used for the root file system, and the other to be
given over to LVM. I take a second 3390-3, and put one partition on it, all to
be used for LVM. I then create separate file systems for /home, /opt, /srv,
/tmp, /usr, and /var. As Richard indicates, depending on what you're going to
be doing with a particular system, two 3390-3 volumes may be a little skimpy,
or just about right. If you're using 3390-9 volumes, then just one would be
needed, with the two partitions on it for / and LVM.
Whenever possible, I prefer to have those two volumes only be used for the
operating system itself. Any add-on products, such as WebSphere, etc., or
applications, would be installed in separate file systems created from a
different LVM volume group, using different physical volumes.
Mark Post
Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z
Without looking, I'd guess that the 150 disk ends up being /boot, though I'd say the size is too small to all maintenance to be applied there, and the other two disks become your other filesystems and directories, in some layout or another. You say "full pack", but that has no meaning today so it's totally useless. Is it a "full mod 3"? Or a "full mod 54"? One would be overkill, and the other would build a very space-tight system. We build on a 125 cylinder minidisk which becomes /boot, a 10016 cylinder minidisk (a full mod 9, though we don't have any of those anymore) to be used by LVM to become the "system" areas: root (/), swap, /var, /tmp, and another 10016 cylinder minidisk to become the "local" areas: /opt and /home. If the task for the system requires additional directories and space, another 10016 or larger minidisk is assigned and an LVM is created for the application, and hung on the directory tree where the application requires it. Two full mod 9 packs and a short /boot of 125 cylinders creates a healthy system with a bit of room to grow, allowing for maintenance to be applied over time, logs to collect properly, applications to be installed, etc. If this is similar to what you're allocating then I'm not sure I'd mess around with it too much. -- Robert P. Nix Mayo Foundation.~. RO-OE-5-55 200 First Street SW/V\ 507-284-0844 Rochester, MN 55905 /( )\ -^^-^^ "In theory, theory and practice are the same, but in practice, theory and practice are different." On 7/22/08 10:36 AM, "Quay, Jonathan (IHG)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So I am proceeding along with the install and notice that the provided > CLIENT SAMPDIR shows a 50 cylinder 150 disk, with a 151 disk for the > rest of that pack and a 152 disk that's another full pack. I can't find > any rationale for this, or any further installation instructions that > take this into account. The SLES installation and admin guide shows a > single 150. What am I missing?
Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z
So I am proceeding along with the install and notice that the provided CLIENT SAMPDIR shows a 50 cylinder 150 disk, with a 151 disk for the rest of that pack and a 152 disk that's another full pack. I can't find any rationale for this, or any further installation instructions that take this into account. The SLES installation and admin guide shows a single 150. What am I missing?
Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z
We downloaded the suse-10 sp2 starter system and installed it with no problems. Using this starter system we are almost finished upgrading a suse-9 guest to suse-10 sp2.
Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z
On Jul 21, 2008, at 2:48 PM, Quay, Jonathan (IHG) wrote: I fixed it. I had reallocated the 150 disk to a different starting cyl, and LVM didn't like it. Mark fixed me up. OK. Different starting cyl shouldn't matter, but the size *does*. Too big is as bad as too small. This sounds way dirtier than I meant it to, and it's only Monday. Adam
Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z
I fixed it. I had reallocated the 150 disk to a different starting cyl, and LVM didn't like it. Mark fixed me up. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Thornton Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 2:41 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z On Jul 21, 2008, at 1:27 PM, Quay, Jonathan (IHG) wrote: > Does anybody have this working yet? > Yeah, I do. What, specifically, is the problem you're having? Adam
Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z
On Jul 21, 2008, at 1:27 PM, Quay, Jonathan (IHG) wrote: Does anybody have this working yet? Yeah, I do. What, specifically, is the problem you're having? Adam
Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z
Does anybody have this working yet?
Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z
Thanks, David...for clearing it up for me. I'm no longer confused!! Alyce -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Boyes Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 10:13 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z > We have a one year contract with Novell until May 2009. > They gave us a unique activation code. They told me to download > the CD1-CD2 disks from their site. > > Can I use the "SUSE Linux Enterprise Server Starter > System for System z" to install it? > I'm confused... Maybe this will help: The starter system is a prebuilt installation server that you use to create other virtual machines - it contains the disk1 and disk2 images plus a copy of SLES configured to act as a NFS/HTTP/SMB/FTP server to make that data available. It's the functional equivalent of downloading the CD media, setting up a server to provide access to the media, and configuring all the software you need to provide access to the media -- condensed into the single step of downloading the starter system and installing it. You use the installation server as the source to create new virtual machines. Machines that are created from the installation server get the activation codes, because once they're installed, they interact directly with the Novell servers to get updates, etc (unless you set up a local service mirror), and thus need to identify themselves as valid recipients. So, to answer your question -- yes, use the starter system to install a new guest, and when prompted, give it the activation code you got from Novell, and the end product is exactly the same as if you had downloaded the media, found someone to serve it up to you over the network, transferred the boot files, made a boot image, booted SLES from reader or tape, and answered the prompts. You just save a bunch of steps, you don't have to convince anyone to stick a CD or DVD in their machine for two or three hours, and get your virtual machines installed at memory-to-memory speeds instead of just Ethernet speed. All you do is create the new VM userid, LINK NOVSTART 19F 19F RR, ACCESS 19F R, and type SLES. From that point on, you're in the normal SLES installer.
Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z
>>> On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 12:58 PM, in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Austin, Alyce (CIV)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We have a one year contract with Novell until May 2009. > They gave us a unique activation code. They told me to download > the CD1-CD2 disks from their site. > > Can I use the "SUSE Linux Enterprise Server Starter > System for System z" to install it? If you install the starter system, you don't need any other form of installation media to create your new Linux guests. Novell isn't going to do away with the normal installation method. For one thing, not all of our customers have z/VM. For those that do, not all of them need the starter system. So, the stereotypical method of installing will likely always be available: - Download the DVD (or multiple CDs) - Find a system somewhere to host the files on the DVD - Get network access from the mainframe to the system hosting the files - Install your first Linux system from the system hosting the files. For those that don't already have an installation server set up, have z/VM available, and want to short-cut the process, there's the starter system. Mark Post
Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z
> We have a one year contract with Novell until May 2009. > They gave us a unique activation code. They told me to download > the CD1-CD2 disks from their site. > > Can I use the "SUSE Linux Enterprise Server Starter > System for System z" to install it? > I'm confused... Maybe this will help: The starter system is a prebuilt installation server that you use to create other virtual machines - it contains the disk1 and disk2 images plus a copy of SLES configured to act as a NFS/HTTP/SMB/FTP server to make that data available. It's the functional equivalent of downloading the CD media, setting up a server to provide access to the media, and configuring all the software you need to provide access to the media -- condensed into the single step of downloading the starter system and installing it. You use the installation server as the source to create new virtual machines. Machines that are created from the installation server get the activation codes, because once they're installed, they interact directly with the Novell servers to get updates, etc (unless you set up a local service mirror), and thus need to identify themselves as valid recipients. So, to answer your question -- yes, use the starter system to install a new guest, and when prompted, give it the activation code you got from Novell, and the end product is exactly the same as if you had downloaded the media, found someone to serve it up to you over the network, transferred the boot files, made a boot image, booted SLES from reader or tape, and answered the prompts. You just save a bunch of steps, you don't have to convince anyone to stick a CD or DVD in their machine for two or three hours, and get your virtual machines installed at memory-to-memory speeds instead of just Ethernet speed. All you do is create the new VM userid, LINK NOVSTART 19F 19F RR, ACCESS 19F R, and type SLES. From that point on, you're in the normal SLES installer.
Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z
We have a one year contract with Novell until May 2009. They gave us a unique activation code. They told me to download the CD1-CD2 disks from their site. Can I use the "SUSE Linux Enterprise Server Starter System for System z" to install it? I'm confused... Thanks, Alyce -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Boyes Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 7:41 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z > assume that the document "SUSE Linux Enterprise Server Starter > System Z' is an update to the SHARE handout. Is that the case? Nope. It's a completely separate document.
Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z
> assume that the document "SUSE Linux Enterprise Server Starter > System Z' is an update to the SHARE handout. Is that the case? Nope. It's a completely separate document.
Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z
>>> On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 2:23 PM, in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Austin, Alyce (CIV)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I downloaded the 'vanilla" SLES10 SP2 sent to me by Novell to my PC; > that is > CD1-CD4. > > I was going to use the "Installing a NOVELL SLES 10 Starter System > without > a Net(work)" handout from the Mar 08 SHARE to try to do the install > without > a network. > > I assume that the document "SUSE Linux Enterprise Server Starter > System Z' is an update to the SHARE handout. Is that the case? No, it's the official documentation of the starter system. It tells you, step by step, exactly how to get the starter system up and running. The SLES10 installation media you have won't work with that documentation, or Mike's handout from his session. Both assume that you're working with the starter system, not the vanilla installation media. Mark Post
Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z
I downloaded the 'vanilla" SLES10 SP2 sent to me by Novell to my PC; that is CD1-CD4. I was going to use the "Installing a NOVELL SLES 10 Starter System without a Net(work)" handout from the Mar 08 SHARE to try to do the install without a network. I assume that the document "SUSE Linux Enterprise Server Starter System Z' is an update to the SHARE handout. Is that the case? Thanks, Alyce -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Quay, Jonathan (IHG) Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 1:34 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z Ok, I have a license and I'm about to download and install SLES10SP2. Can I somehow, and I haven't completely read through the Starter Set documentation, download the SLES-10-SP2-DVD-s390x-GM-DVD1 and 2 .iso images and serve them using the NOVSTART virtual machine? -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Post Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 4:19 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z >>> On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 4:00 PM, in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Raymond Noal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > David, > > I recently tried this route, but I believe I downloaded the Server 10 SP1 > package. Most likely. The SP2 version of the Starter System was just recently made available for download. > Where did you find or how did you obtain the Server SP2 package? Is it free? Are you asking about the SP2 version of the starter system, or of SLES10 itself? The starter system link is in the email that started this thread: http://www.novell.com/partners/ibm/mainframe/starterpack.html For this branch of the decision tree, it's more appropriate to ask Novell where we got it, since Sine Nomine are the ones that created it and uploaded it to us. :) If you're talking about the "vanilla" SLES10 SP2 download is here: http://download.novell.com/Download?buildid=A-zpMLVoXGg~ Both are no-cost downloads, but unless you buy a license at some point, you only get 180 days of maintenance. -snip- > I would really like to use the SuSE distribution vs. RedHat. Glad to hear it. :) Mark Post
Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z
On 7/18/08 4:33 PM, "Quay, Jonathan (IHG)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ok, I have a license and I'm about to download and install SLES10SP2. > Can I somehow, and I haven't completely read through the Starter Set > documentation, download the SLES-10-SP2-DVD-s390x-GM-DVD1 and 2 .iso > images and serve them using the NOVSTART virtual machine? The SP2 starter system contains the entire SP2 DVD image already set up for this purpose. If you set up a SP1 starter system, just use a different userid for the NOVSTART system -- there's nothing in there that cares about the userid it's installed in -- and use that as your new install server. That way you don't mess up anything that already works, and you can easily switch back and forth for production use w/o breaking things.
Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z
On Jul 18, 2008, at 2:44 PM, Mark Post wrote: On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 3:35 PM, in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "McKown, John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sorry about that. I meant to Forward that to my manager, not post it here. OOPSIE!! I was wondering why you thought a group of z/VM and Linux geeks wouldn't be interested. Good to know it was just a slight brain fade and not a total meltdown. :) Yeah, now I don't have to pout and kick my heels and hold my breath until I turn blue, either. Adam
Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z
>>> On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 4:33 PM, in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Quay, Jonathan (IHG)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ok, I have a license and I'm about to download and install SLES10SP2. > Can I somehow, and I haven't completely read through the Starter Set > documentation, download the SLES-10-SP2-DVD-s390x-GM-DVD1 and 2 .iso > images and serve them using the NOVSTART virtual machine? If you download the starter system, it will have the complete contents of DVD1 already included in it. You don't really need DVD2 unless you want to play with source RPMs, and you probably don't. So, download the starter system, install it, and you're ready to start creating Linux guests. Mark Post
Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z
Ok, I have a license and I'm about to download and install SLES10SP2. Can I somehow, and I haven't completely read through the Starter Set documentation, download the SLES-10-SP2-DVD-s390x-GM-DVD1 and 2 .iso images and serve them using the NOVSTART virtual machine? -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Post Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 4:19 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z >>> On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 4:00 PM, in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Raymond Noal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > David, > > I recently tried this route, but I believe I downloaded the Server 10 SP1 > package. Most likely. The SP2 version of the Starter System was just recently made available for download. > Where did you find or how did you obtain the Server SP2 package? Is it free? Are you asking about the SP2 version of the starter system, or of SLES10 itself? The starter system link is in the email that started this thread: http://www.novell.com/partners/ibm/mainframe/starterpack.html For this branch of the decision tree, it's more appropriate to ask Novell where we got it, since Sine Nomine are the ones that created it and uploaded it to us. :) If you're talking about the "vanilla" SLES10 SP2 download is here: http://download.novell.com/Download?buildid=A-zpMLVoXGg~ Both are no-cost downloads, but unless you buy a license at some point, you only get 180 days of maintenance. -snip- > I would really like to use the SuSE distribution vs. RedHat. Glad to hear it. :) Mark Post
Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z
>>> On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 4:00 PM, in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Raymond Noal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > David, > > I recently tried this route, but I believe I downloaded the Server 10 SP1 > package. Most likely. The SP2 version of the Starter System was just recently made available for download. > Where did you find or how did you obtain the Server SP2 package? Is it free? Are you asking about the SP2 version of the starter system, or of SLES10 itself? The starter system link is in the email that started this thread: http://www.novell.com/partners/ibm/mainframe/starterpack.html For this branch of the decision tree, it's more appropriate to ask Novell where we got it, since Sine Nomine are the ones that created it and uploaded it to us. :) If you're talking about the "vanilla" SLES10 SP2 download is here: http://download.novell.com/Download?buildid=A-zpMLVoXGg~ Both are no-cost downloads, but unless you buy a license at some point, you only get 180 days of maintenance. -snip- > I would really like to use the SuSE distribution vs. RedHat. Glad to hear it. :) Mark Post
Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z
> I recently tried this route, but I believe I downloaded the Server 10 SP1 > package. > Where did you find or how did you obtain the Server SP2 package? Is it > free? Well, we created it, so we didn't have to look far...8-) It should be downloadable from novell.com now that Mark has kindly announced it. The Novell website content management system creates some fairly ugly URLs (the trailing tildes are important), so search from novell.com and you should get there w/o problems. > There is a problem with the SP1 version when you try to extract their > version of VMARC. The manual tells you to enter the following: > EXEC VMAEXEC EXTRACT A > When you do this, you get a rexx runtime message say the there are > unmatched quotes and/or right-parens. I'm pretty sure I fixed that in the SP2 docs. Drop the trailing A from the command and it should work. Beyond that, make sure you understand which device is your root filesystem, link NOVSTART 19F at some convenient address in the machine you want to upgrade, ACCESS the NOVSTART 19F disk, and type SLES. After that, you follow the upgrade instructions in the Novell docs. Also makes a nice rescue system. 8-) -- db
Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z
David, I recently tried this route, but I believe I downloaded the Server 10 SP1 package. Where did you find or how did you obtain the Server SP2 package? Is it free? There is a problem with the SP1 version when you try to extract their version of VMARC. The manual tells you to enter the following: EXEC VMAEXEC EXTRACT A When you do this, you get a rexx runtime message say the there are unmatched quotes and/or right-parens. I would really like to use the SuSE distribution vs. RedHat. Any help greatly appreciated. HITACHI DATA SYSTEMS Raymond E. Noal Senior Technical Engineer Office: (408) 970 - 7978 -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Boyes Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 12:44 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z > Not that anybody is likely to care, but this is a facility to install > z/Linux under z/VM using only CMS. It is a nice way to get a z/Linux > system up quickly. It also makes a very nice upgrade server if you're moving from SLES 9 or previous SLES 10 releases. 8-)
Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z
>>> On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 3:35 PM, in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "McKown, John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sorry about that. I meant to Forward that to my manager, not post it > here. OOPSIE!! I was wondering why you thought a group of z/VM and Linux geeks wouldn't be interested. Good to know it was just a slight brain fade and not a total meltdown. :) Mark Post
Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z
> Not that anybody is likely to care, but this is a facility to install > z/Linux under z/VM using only CMS. It is a nice way to get a z/Linux > system up quickly. It also makes a very nice upgrade server if you're moving from SLES 9 or previous SLES 10 releases. 8-)
Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z
Sorry about that. I meant to Forward that to my manager, not post it here. OOPSIE!! -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged and/or confidential. It is for intended addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited and could, in certain circumstances, be a criminal offense. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply and delete this message without copying or disclosing it. > -Original Message- > From: The IBM z/VM Operating System > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of McKown, John > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 2:34 PM > To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > Subject: Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter > System for IBM System z > > Not that anybody is likely to care, but this is a facility to install > z/Linux under z/VM using only CMS. It is a nice way to get a z/Linux > system up quickly. > > -- > John McKown > Senior Systems Programmer > HealthMarkets > Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage > Administrative Services Group > Information Technology > > The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged > and/or confidential. It is for intended addressee(s) only. > If you are > not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > disclosure, > reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is > strictly prohibited and could, in certain circumstances, be a criminal > offense. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the > sender by reply and delete this message without copying or disclosing > it. > > > -Original Message- > > From: The IBM z/VM Operating System > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Post > > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 2:19 PM > > To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > > Subject: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System > > for IBM System z > > > > Cross-posted to Linux-390, IBMVM, and IBM-MAIN > > > > I'm pleased to announce that the SUSE Linux Enterprise Server > > 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z is now available. > > (Don't you just love the catchy name? I think it just rolls > > off the tongue.) As before, the good folks at Sine Nomine, > > working closely with Novell, have created this update. All > > the comments we received regarding the documentation have > > been incorporated, in addition to the upgrade to the platform > > itself. The starter system continues to be a no-cost > > download for anyone that has a Novell Customer Center account > > (which is also no-cost). > > > > For people that haven't heard of this before: > > "The SUSE Enterprise Linux Server (SLES) Starter System is a > > pre-built installation server for SLES that can be installed > > on your z/VM system using CMS tools, eliminating the need for > > coordinating access to a separate Linux or Unix system > > elsewhere on your network and minimizing the impact of > > network-based installation on your internal and external networks." > > > > You can find more information, and links to the download page > > at http://www.novell.com/partners/ibm/mainframe/starterpack.html > > > > Before you download anything, I strongly recommend reading > > through the installation guide. It's viewable online, via > > the "view" button for "Install instructions." Or, you can > > download the PDF (or .txt) file to your desktop by clicking > > on the download button for s10sp2.pdf, or s10sp2.txt. > > Hopefully, everything you'll need to know is contained in > > that document. > > > > As with the prior version, having z/VM running is a > > pre-requisite for this tool. If you don't already have z/VM, > > and you do have a z10, you might want to consider the z/VM > > 5.3 Evaluation Edition that IBM has just made available. See > > http://www.vm.ibm.com/eval/index.html for more details. If > > you don't have a z10, you'll need to contact your IBM rep. to > > coordinate a no-cost evaluation. > > > > Thank you to all the people that downloaded the SP1 version > > and tried it out. The number of downloads, and the feedback > > from the people trying it, made it clear that keeping this > > tool and upgrading it was good for everyone involved. > > > > > > Mark Post > > >
Re: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z
Not that anybody is likely to care, but this is a facility to install z/Linux under z/VM using only CMS. It is a nice way to get a z/Linux system up quickly. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged and/or confidential. It is for intended addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited and could, in certain circumstances, be a criminal offense. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply and delete this message without copying or disclosing it. > -Original Message- > From: The IBM z/VM Operating System > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Post > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 2:19 PM > To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > Subject: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 SP2 Starter System > for IBM System z > > Cross-posted to Linux-390, IBMVM, and IBM-MAIN > > I'm pleased to announce that the SUSE Linux Enterprise Server > 10 SP2 Starter System for IBM System z is now available. > (Don't you just love the catchy name? I think it just rolls > off the tongue.) As before, the good folks at Sine Nomine, > working closely with Novell, have created this update. All > the comments we received regarding the documentation have > been incorporated, in addition to the upgrade to the platform > itself. The starter system continues to be a no-cost > download for anyone that has a Novell Customer Center account > (which is also no-cost). > > For people that haven't heard of this before: > "The SUSE Enterprise Linux Server (SLES) Starter System is a > pre-built installation server for SLES that can be installed > on your z/VM system using CMS tools, eliminating the need for > coordinating access to a separate Linux or Unix system > elsewhere on your network and minimizing the impact of > network-based installation on your internal and external networks." > > You can find more information, and links to the download page > at http://www.novell.com/partners/ibm/mainframe/starterpack.html > > Before you download anything, I strongly recommend reading > through the installation guide. It's viewable online, via > the "view" button for "Install instructions." Or, you can > download the PDF (or .txt) file to your desktop by clicking > on the download button for s10sp2.pdf, or s10sp2.txt. > Hopefully, everything you'll need to know is contained in > that document. > > As with the prior version, having z/VM running is a > pre-requisite for this tool. If you don't already have z/VM, > and you do have a z10, you might want to consider the z/VM > 5.3 Evaluation Edition that IBM has just made available. See > http://www.vm.ibm.com/eval/index.html for more details. If > you don't have a z10, you'll need to contact your IBM rep. to > coordinate a no-cost evaluation. > > Thank you to all the people that downloaded the SP1 version > and tried it out. The number of downloads, and the feedback > from the people trying it, made it clear that keeping this > tool and upgrading it was good for everyone involved. > > > Mark Post >
