[fsug-tvm] Re: DesignOpen @ Bangalore 5March 2016

[Nishandh M]

There is a problem registering form website, if that persists, the other
option is to mail directly to he...@designopen.in

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Nishandh M  wrote:

> Could'nt find much terms related to FOSS here, still sharing since its
> free, and there is chance for open source to get mentioned.
>
> "Design Open, 5th and 6th of March at J.N Tata Auditorium, Bangalore.Entry
> free with prior registrations at www.designopen.in"
> https://www.facebook.com/designopenblr
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[fsug-tvm] DesignOpen @ Bangalore 5March 2016

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Could'nt find much terms related to FOSS here, still sharing since its
free, and there is chance for open source to get mentioned.

"Design Open, 5th and 6th of March at J.N Tata Auditorium, Bangalore.Entry
free with prior registrations at www.designopen.in"
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Re: [fsug-tvm] commercial video in Blender from India

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Nice to hear...


On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 2:56 PM, Jyothish Kumar  wrote:

> Oh great
> On May 3, 2014 12:21 PM, "sooraj kenoth"  wrote:
>
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: Madhu KS <>
>> Date: 2014-05-02 15:31 GMT+05:30
>> Subject: [DAKF] Kathu 2 Released (created using FOSS tools)
>> To: d...@googlegroups.com
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>>
>> We have released our first
>> animation title using Blender: 'KATHU 2'. It is a sequel to our
>> earlier title Kathu which was done in Maya. Probably Kathu 2 could be
>> the
>> first commercial release in Blender from India with a duration of 47
>> minutes. It took us nearly four months to migrate from Maya in Windows
>> to Blender in Ubuntu Studio.
>>
>> We had to learn Blender and train our staff. We started the project in
>> December and finished the animation part in first week of Feb.
>> Lighting and rendering in Full HD took some time and the product is
>> now on shops.
>>
>> Though we have 10 licenses of Maya (and also Windows), Autodesk was
>> always pushing for upgrades, costing more than Rs 10 lakhs every year.
>> So our decision for migrating to FOSS was based purely on financial
>> viability. But it has proved to be more than that, we had cut down the
>> production cycle time from 8 months to 3 months and improved
>> substantially on quality. Also the resolution is Full HD (1920x1080)
>> now. You can see the difference in Kathu 2, compared to Kathu 1.
>>
>> Hibiscus primarily creates animation content for children and Kathu is
>> a series based on values, featuring a kitten and her friends and
>> family. We are currently working on Pupi 3, an animated popular
>> science series. Hibiscus is better known through Manchadi, our
>> pioneering animation series in Malayalam based on folk content.
>>
>> Please watch the trailers in
>> Youtube.http://www.youtube.com/user/HIBISCUSDIGITALMEDIA
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>>
>> Madhu KS
>> Hibiscus Digital Media
>> +91-9447655711
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Re: [fsug-tvm] [OT] Modem login credentials, BSNL

[Nishandh M]

These combinations are not working:
admin  password
admin  <>
<> <>

Have to meet them tomorrow..
Thank-you for the replies.


On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 10:32 PM, Leepu L P  wrote:

> try
> 1. user: admin password: blank
> 2. user: blank password:blank
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 5:12 PM, Wings distributers <
> hindustani.in...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>  Above modem supplied by bsnl or not? If supplied by bsnl please
>> handover this modem to bsnl ask new one,because this modem is same company
>> but, not yours or bsnl mechanics changed admin password.
>> I don't know if any reset button, please reset.
>>
>> ÜПÁ VÊÉRÅ
>>
>> उदय वीरा
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>> Sent: ‎29-‎11-‎2013 01:24 PM
>> To: ilug-tvm@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [fsug-tvm] [OT] Modem login credentials, BSNL
>>
>>  Have you tried "admin" and "password"?
>>
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[fsug-tvm] [OT] Modem login credentials, BSNL

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Hi,

The modem Nokia Seimens Networks Modem 1600 was serviced by BSNL.
Login credentials for 192.168.1.1 are not yet given to me, is there anyway
to get to modem configuration page ?
[username : admin password : admin is not accepted, Have this default
pattern got any change recently ?]


[192.168.1.2 is giving a logo showing "iis7" and takes to
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=66138&clcid=0x409  which leads to
http://www.iis.net/.]
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Re: [fsug-tvm] LUGs and FSUGs in Kerala

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[FOSS BUCKS. Micro Credits Xchange. ]
https://www.facebook.com/groups/422468921108820/

Have been experimenting on making financially rewarded FOSS based services
(online assistance) for some time using social platforms. Not much traffic
yet, only one FossBucks transaction so far. Centered around individual to
individual transaction, freelance mode.





On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 8:17 PM, V. Sasi Kumar  wrote:

> On Tue, 2013-10-29 at 11:22 +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> >
> > I attended the SMC 12 event at Trichur recently and met a few people who
> > are based in Calicut and interested in this kind of thing.
> >
> > I have some plans to kickstart the scene here. Hopefully before the end
> > of the year. I'll keep you all posted.
>
> Good. That will be two lugs coming out of hibernation. I too will be
> with you there.
>
> Best,
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[fsug-tvm] [OT]FB discussion of FOSS

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https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=523630271030942
[ warning :  not a scholarly article, but a discussion involving common
people.
It has some 300+ comments, and it would steal a lot of your time. Might be
of interest to people who do talks on FOSS. Common misconceptions and
general-public's ideas about FOSS could be seen here.]

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[fsug-tvm] [INFO] Andriod device as Tablet Input Device ; GIMP integration

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"We have made a protoype of a new Android app that allows you to use
your android devices to draw in GIMP on your desktop PC"

Using a touch-screen Andriod device, as a drawing surface. VideoDemo +
Website Links below :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgTm2TEt4Yc
http://www.gimpusers.com/news/00462-use-android-tablet-as-graphics-tablet-with-gimp
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Re: [fsug-tvm] Suggestion for a Distro

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Have been using ArtistX for many years. most multimedia apps pre-configured
out of the box, including third party drivers and codecs.

On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 9:52 PM, jaseem abid  wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 5:01 PM, JeevZ  wrote:
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> > @jaseems.
> >
> > thanx for the info. well a doubt. Is there any way that I can download
> all
> > these packages to a DVD , then use this DVD as my repo?
> >
> > I can use my office internet for this.
>
> Forget about the dvd. Just copy the package cache first to the right
> location from another machine. Never update your machine. When you try
>  to install an app, it finds the local packages, skips the download
> and installs it for you. A lot of extra files in the cache never hurts
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[fsug-tvm] Odd keyboard behaviour (?) after screen lock.

[Nishandh M]

External keyboard input behaving as if  is kept pressed all the
time.
This happened 3 or 4 times, when attempting to re-login to the system after
a long time interval.

The "shift-key-pressed" behaviour is not persistant in the successive
session, I couldn't make out what exactly corrected it.

I have this problem in Distro Artist-X, [ derived from Ubuntu Ubuntu
10.04.2 LTS , Gnome 2.30.2 ]
Have automatic updates turned ON, but OS version upgrade is disabled.

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[fsug-tvm] [Article] on Patent Trolling

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"At the same time Crawford's patent was being prosecuted, more than
5,000 other patents were issued for "the same thing," Martin says."
"... In 2000, for example, the patent office granted a patent on making
toast — patent number 6080436, "Bread Refreshing Method.""
http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2011/07/26/138576167/when-patents-attack?sc=nl&cc=es-20110731

Article on technology patents, mainly in IT sector. Corrupted model of
patenting and implications.
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[fsug-tvm] Job Oppurtunities [Academic] in OpenSource Drug Discovery ,CSIR

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http://www.osdd.net/news-updates/projectassistantpositionsopen

Vacancies for programmers / Sys admin etc

excerpt :
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3

Programmers

M.Tech.(CS/IT)/ MCA/MSc(IT)/B.Tech(CS/IT)/

with excellent programming skills in JAVA, JSP, MySQL, LINUX

Desirable: Good knowledge in LAMP

THREE

4

System Admin(IT)

M.Tech.(CS/IT)/ MCA/MSc(IT)/B.Tech(CS/IT)/

with experience of System and Network Administration skills

 TWO

5

Online Science Communication

M.Sc. (Bio-Informatics) with good flair in writing and good communication
skills in English

ONE
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[NB : the sender is not affiliated to the institute]

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[fsug-tvm] CSIR internship opportunity : OSDD [ OpenLab OpenSource Drug Discovery ]

[Nishandh M]

Looks like this would be a good opportunity for student academic projects.

Field :Computational Data mining and Analysis

Excerpt from the site : "As part of the Open Source Drug Discovery
Programme, we have set an Open Lab for Computational Data mining and
Analysis at CSIR Complex at Naraina, Delhi. We invite applications from
undergraduate/postgraduate students of Computer Science/ Bioinformatics/Life
Sciences with excellent programming skills to intern with OSDD"
https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dGo0dGdGWWF2anU5ZHJJZTVkUk16MkE6MQ&ndplr=1



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Re: [fsug-tvm] Fwd: [Ilugc] The Story of Linux: Commemorating 20 Years of the Linux Operating System

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@ Ashik, what you said is a bit benevolant, but not supremely benevolant.
And did I say it the way you made it look like? Sorry to bust your dream.
I dint say LinuxOS = Linux Kernal.

Dictatorship / Liberty, Decentralisation. You choose what you want to impose
as attributes on FOSS in your dream.

"FreeSoftware thats decentralised / Liberal breaks down fast". Yeah, let
them break down. Its natural, its how evolution works.

If there is some peice of perfroming code with a Liberal License in these
historical ones , it would be assimilated to more popular compatible
systems.

May be we might need many dicatators to maintain different systems, as all
systems are not inter-compatible. When there are many privilaged
'More_Democratic_Conductors' developing systems parallely, we might call the
scenario as 'decentralised' software development, than 'centralised
dictatorship' .















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> On 04/13/2011 06:37 AM, ashik salahudeen wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Free software thats "decentralized" and "liberal" breaks down fast - the
>> community devolves into a mob. Most successful free software projects have
>> someone/a tight knit group  with vision governing things.
>>
> Correct.. It wasn't very long back that we had some news about the troubles
> with the 'democratic' Debian project management. Some developers were of the
> opinion that Ubuntu scheme, where Shuttleworth is the dictator helps in
> making decisions faster.
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Re: [fsug-tvm] Fwd: [Ilugc] The Story of Linux: Commemorating 20 Years of the Linux Operating System

[Nishandh M]

nice one.
But is it really like L Torvalds 'orchestrates' the development of Linux
worldwide from his office?
Looks like Its too decentralized, and liberal, to be 'orchestrated'.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Harisankar P S  wrote:

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> Date: Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 9:33 PM
> Subject: [Ilugc] The Story of Linux: Commemorating 20 Years of the Linux
> Operating System
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>
> The Linux Foundation is celebrating the 20 years of Linux Operating System.
>
> It created a nice video on the history of Linux.
>
> Watch it here.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ocq6_3-nEw
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> Read more at
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Re: [fsug-tvm] fsug-tvm.org WIP beta site

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clean, elegant site ..

On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Anish A  wrote:

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>
> 2011/4/4 Prasad SR 
>
>>
>> See the work in progress (i think) beta site of fsug-tvm
>> http://fsug-tvm.org/beta/
>>
>
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> Bug: I could not take a membership. It says server error when I try to
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Re: [fsug-tvm] wget and rapidshare free download

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A bit offtopic,(no CLI based) but the FlashGot add-on to FireFox was
claiming automatised downloading or something similiar from most
FileServers. No personally verified.

On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Arjun S R  wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 21:31, sanalmadath...@gmail.com <
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>> Dear All,
>> >Is it possible to download from sites like Rapidshare (not
>> premium, but free and slow download)
>> > with the commandline tool wget ?
>>
>
> YES. :)
>
> There are packages like slimrat , fatrat and tucan in debian squeeze but
>> not working with rapidshare
>> free download. Slimrat is a commandline tool and it failed when I tried
>>
>> $ slimrat --list rapidshare_links.txt  --to destination_directory
>>
>> and the error  shown was : " download failed while constructing (no
>> appropriate plugin found)"
>> Fatrat and tucan having gui also didn't work with rapidshare.
>>
>
> The reason could be rapidshare must have changed their API.  This happens
> quite often. At present I cant help :( .One of my friend was trying to use
> this thing for a while. He had to study the API all time and to re-write the
> plugin frequently.
>
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Re: [fsug-tvm] Any suggestion on Graph-plotting FOSS please..

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Thanks, gonna try the with-GUI ones first. would post my experience later
here..

On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 10:06 AM, V. Sasi Kumar  wrote:

> On Mon, 2011-02-07 at 19:51 +0530, Subin Sebastian wrote:
> > gnuplot?
> >
> I think the best command line tool is gnuplot. If you want a graphical
> interface, you can use xmgrace or labplot.
>
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[fsug-tvm] Any suggestion on Graph-plotting FOSS please..

[Nishandh M]

Hi,
I am looking for any FOSS program which projects out Graphs.
When x,y axis value sets are input as text, it shud project a graphical
representation.
Would be more helpful, if the program is easily installable in Ubuntu.
Thankyou.

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Re: [fsug-tvm] Fwd: [DAKF] CD / DVD മറ്റു രാജ്യങ്ങളിലേക്ക് അയക്കുന്നതിനു തപാല്‍ വകുപ്പിന്റെ നിരോധനം

[Nishandh M]

Internet traffic can be intercepted and decoded to some extent, in central
facility. But checking thousands of DVD packages could become a headache,
and demand heavy manpower, unlike wired networks. But still it is a useless
argument, as memmory chips can be embedded safely and transported without
being noticed. The only thing is that easy transfer of data could be
demoted(often with an unidentified source - a fake address). What exactly
are these people afraid of ?!!

I personally had problem sending optical disc to naval base inside India.
They said more stupid reason: the disc could break on transit, and I would
later make problems on that! [?] (Thycaud and Museum PO. had to rely on
private courier then)

2011/2/5 Shino Jacob 

> > ഇത്തരം തുഗ്ലക്ക് പരിഷ്കാരങ്ങള്‍ നടപ്പിലാക്കുമ്പോള്‍ സാങ്കേതിക
> > വിദഗ്ധരുമായി ആലോചിക്കുന്നത് നല്ലതാണു.
> ഇതിനു വിദഗ്ധരുടെ  അഭിപ്രായം വേണോ ? കോമണ്‍ സെന്‍സ്  ഉണ്ടായാല്‍
> മതിയല്ലോ? ഈ തീരുമാനം  NSA  പ്രകാരം ആണോ ആവൊ?
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Re: [fsug-tvm] CET's FOSS Mirror is up

[Nishandh M]

Great. Expecting torrents of these distros too...

On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 4:00 PM, dhananjay  wrote:

>
>
> On 24 January 2011 11:15, pavithran  wrote:
>
>> On 19 January 2011 22:18, h4nnibal  wrote:
>> > As of now we have a 2Mbps leased line. Within a short time we will be
>> > getting a much more faster connection. Will inform about that.
>>
>>
>> Hey great to see a mirror from Trivandrum . Just wondering who is the ISP
>> ?
>>
>
> The ISP is bsnl.
>
>
>>
>> > Use our mirror as it helps us to monitor the most probable usage, so
>> that we
>> > can configure the server on its basis. It would be a great help for
>> linux
>> > users in (atleast)south india.
>>
>> How come you are expecting a regional or locally based  traffic?
>>
>
> We still dont know how much traffic this mirror can handle, we are
> currently testing that.
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Re: [fsug-tvm] Wikipedia anniversary

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India leads in wikipedia celebration.[by number]. The success should
accelerate contributions too in future...
http://ten.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_sorted_by_number_of_events

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> Knew about a combined celebration :  Wikipeadia 10th and Malayalam Wiki
> 8th Anniversary Celebration
> Jan 15th  10.AM to 5PM at Library Council Building @ Kannur
>
>
> http://thatsmalayalam.oneindia.in/news/2011/01/10/kerala-wikipedia-anniversary-in-kannur.html
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>> http://ten.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
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Re: [fsug-tvm] Wikipedia anniversary

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Knew about a combined celebration :  Wikipeadia 10th and Malayalam Wiki  8th
Anniversary Celebration
Jan 15th  10.AM to 5PM at Library Council Building @ Kannur

http://thatsmalayalam.oneindia.in/news/2011/01/10/kerala-wikipedia-anniversary-in-kannur.html




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[fsug-tvm] FOSS @ Vibgyor documentary festival.

[Nishandh M]

Hi. please share any information available on  FOSS promotion stalls /
events already planned at Vibgyor documentary festival..
As Vibgyor is attracting social activists nation wide, it would be a great
venue to expose current state of FOSS technologies.

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[fsug-tvm] [OT] Document freedom - the print aspect. The new WWF format

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http://wwf.panda.org/wwf_news/?197485/New-WWF-file-format-will-help-save-trees

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzY4SGgEB7g&feature=player_embedded


WWF format is proposed as a new file fromat, which does not allow
printing. SAVE
TREES is the motto.
Released for Mac as of now, PC next.

PDF already offers print-locking, And the new fromat has a lot of other
issues. Debated on the first link above, and has some worthy discussions.
Nature of file format is not known. There is already a .wwf extension, which
is unrelated.
Hope it would be compatible with Open Document Format standards.
This is not directly related to freedom of infromation.


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[fsug-tvm] "Welcome message' on google groups page becomes permanent

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The welcome message of FSUG-TVM as seen on
http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-tvm?pli=1 wont be editable after Jan
2011. but still viewable and download-able.

as per google announcement
http://groups-announcements.blogspot.com/2010/09/notice-about-pages-and-files.html?hl=en

The announcement being made in september, I think its already taken care of
?   The welcome message looks pretty good too.

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Re: [fsug-tvm] Bsnl web connection acting strange.

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my BSNL connection proved absolutely dead in browser, but performing great
in torrent client at the same time. regardless of browser. It should be the
protocols.  Restarting the Modem helped at times.

On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 10:58 PM, perfect indian  wrote:

> please remove your firefox and reinstall or check ifconfig after ifconfig
> eth0 up or if dialer connection please make dialer sudo pppoeconf after read
> follow commands or check modem  for good answer please mail me with
> details
>
> On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 8:26 PM, BINNY THOMAS  wrote:
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>> Hello all,
>>
>> I am facing a strange problem regarding my web connection. I am using Bsnl
>> plan 500c and my OS is Ubuntu UE 2.7 and Open DNS configured in my router.
>>
>> When I use Firefox to browse a web page it does not load. When I ping the
>> same website it fails to do that. However when I ping the IP address of that
>> website it pings correctly. When I type the IP address in the address bar of
>> Firefox, the page loads correctly. But when I click on a link it fails to
>> load again. It maybe that my DNS is at fault but I am not sure.
>>
>>  I will be grateful if someone could point out the problem.
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
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[fsug-tvm] Calicut University Seminar on BioInformatics

[nishandh M]

A notification seen on HelpBiotech Blog.

http://helpbiotech.blogspot.com/2010/10/calicut-workshop-on-structural.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+HelpbiotechIndia+%28helpBIOTECH+India%29

In short:
*October  28-30,  2010

*
*Contents*
1 . Databases in Bioinformatics
2. Introduction to structural bioinformatics
3. Structural Databases
4. 3D Structure modeling
5. Structure based drug design
6. New trends in Molecular modeling & Drug designing

*The centre has*
Two IBM X-SERIES (236&100) Servers, 14 Intel Pentium Desktop computers which
run on both Windows and Linux Operating Systems

*Resource Persons*
1.Dr. Prof. D. Velmurugan (University of Madras)
2.Dr. U.C.A. laleel (Malabar Christian College, Calicut)
3. Mr. Anuraj Nayarisseri (Director, Eminent Biosciences, Indore
E-mail:anu...@eminentbio.com ; URL:
www.eminentbio.com
Ph:09752295342)
4.Mr. Girinath G. Pillai (Centre for systems and synthetic Biology, Tvm,
Kerala)

E-mail: headandcoordina...@rediffmail.com
Mob: 09846156890




It also says :The maximum participants intake would be 15, the participants
must be sponsored and authorised by their parent institution :(

I hope they would be showcasing distros like BioKnoppix or apps in Linux too

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Re: [fsug-tvm] FOSS article writers required!

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Am intersted in "Linux for layman" multimedia creation. Not well versed with
multimedia for web at the moment, would like to discuss more.

On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 1:47 PM, JeevZ  wrote:

> yes, count me in. I can write about  Mandriva Linux a top-to-bottom
> user experiences  with tips n tricks
>
> On 9/27/10, BINNY THOMAS  wrote:
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> >
> > I am looking for FOSS enthusiasts who are capable of writing good
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> > that can be used to promote the use of FOSS especially GNU/Linux distros
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> >
> > If you can write a good article that is technically accurate, can be used
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> > promote the use of  GNU/Linux and good enough to be published on the web,
> > then your article will get you a substantial amount as remuneration for
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> >
> > The articles should be
> >
> >- Original (should not be copied from other websites)
> >- Technically accurate.
> >- Grammatically correct.
> >
> > If you  are such a person then please drop a mail to the address given
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Re: [fsug-tvm] Re: [OFF TOPIC] mal Script in orkut "Bom Sabado"

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I think its was not on Google server, but spread from user to user, only
when they loaded the script containing page. (IMO). But Google dealt with it
on their servers. Sad that Google didnt anticipate such a script.

Well if its just xss, any crazy geek can now host such script, and they can
do nasty things in our premises.
How can we stop the xss in Firefox?
How much usability we would have to compromise if we chose to disable xss?
Are there any notification plugin available for Firefox which alerts
abnormal activities like handling cookies / cross site communication?

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> ""Yes thats what i meant.  Using Linux is not much of a safety net with
> regard to these browser based attacks.""
>
> its not about Linux.. it happened on Google server, isnt it??
>
>
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>>
>>
>>
>>> atleast some thing  *ed...!!
>>
>>
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>> regard to these browser based attacks.
>>
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[fsug-tvm] Change the download location for update files. How?

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How can we change the download location for update files (application
updates, OS version upgrade) ? It is an Ubuntu based distro.
I do not have enough space in the default download location.

Once the download location is set, should I do some path changes elsewhere
in any other config files?


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[fsug-tvm] [OFF TOPIC] mal Script in orkut "Bom Sabado"

[nishandh M]

Some responses on:
http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/orkut/thread?tid=47a34f01fce49673&hl=en

Immediate recommended solution :* *do not* *open orkut profile, untill the
script is disabled by orkut.

One can check "bom sabado orkut script" or similiar in Google and other
search engines, and find the difference in site rankings  :D

Can anybody comment on its working in GNU/Linux platfrom? if it is a browser
based script, it shud be working in Linux too..


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Re: [fsug-tvm] Declaration adopted at Kozhikode conference

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Thanks Sasi sir.. and Thanking Everybody behind the effort.

Can we have discussions on the ICT declaration topics here itself or on a
seperate thread?



On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 1:39 AM, V. Sasi Kumar wrote:

> The declaration adopted at the National Conference on Free Software and
> Education in Kozhikode during September 10-12 is available at
> http://wiki.hipatia.net/index.php/DeclarationEduconf2010 for anyone to
> read and sign. If you wish to sign the declaration, you need to login
> there. This is made so to prevent spamming. You can login with the
> username fsedu and the password freeme and click on the Edit tab to add
> your name to the signatures.
>
> Best
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Re: [fsug-tvm] [X-Post] RMS's message for software freedom day

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Great '.ogv' video, crisp audio, seemless play in Firefox, and right click
to 'save video' right into your harddisk. a different tube experiance.

27MB for 8.2min video is justified by it resolution.

Well, did RMS say that Adobe Flash Player allows cross communiaction of
different websites laoded in viewing tabs/windows in a browser? does it work
for more secure browsers like Firefox too?




On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Anoop Jacob Thomas wrote:

> RMS's message for software freedom day!
>
>
> http://www.softwarefreedom.com.au/resources/stallman-software-freedom-day.ogv
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Re: [fsug-tvm] Re: Fwd: [smc-discuss] Obituary : Shyam Karanattu

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so sad..

On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 2:04 AM, Ajuna Azad  wrote:

> May his soul rest in peace. And a prayer that God gives his family and dear
> ones the strength to stand this situation.
>
>
>
>
> Ajuna Azad
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Visakh  wrote:
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>> That is a shocking loss. Lost a friend.
>>
>> Rest in peace. We pray for your soul.
>>
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[fsug-tvm] Interface for most old scanners, and compatible product list

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Stumbled upon this site, while on a mad search for an old Film Scanner.

http://www.hamrick.com/vuescan/vuescan.htm#supported

Nice to see that they also provide a .tgz build around Ubuntu 8.10



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Re: [fsug-tvm] Asus Compatibility with AMD processor

[nishandh M]

ASUS M2N68 AM SE2 + AMD 7750 Black Edition worked fantastic for Graphics
applications.


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> Hi Friends,
>Can any one say the following combination is Good or Bad?
>
> ASUS M3N78-EM + AMD Athlon X2 7750 BE (Kuma) 95 W.
>
> I am going to buy a Mobo & CPU . My budget is max 8k.
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[fsug-tvm] Google presenting Linux/Mac as OS choice to employees

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another decision said to be taken based on security flaws of Win.
http://www.insanelymac.com/google-phasing-out-windows-switching-to-mac-linux/

If its just security flaw, ther is not much to celebrate in this news.
however, it looks like Google is not afraid of windows :D


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Re: [fsug-tvm] Re: windows 7 is washing out grub --help-urgent

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It is not Windows 7.Its the dell recovery software.
You wont be able to install OS alone as Dell wont supply an OS installation
disc along with the PC. But the drivers are supplied. So the best thing
would be to download an original Win OS(not a tampered one) and enter the
License given on the genuine windows label on the back plate of laptop.

I was able to install linux in partitions made using Computer management in
Win7.None of those partitions were wiped off by win7, on rebooting. There
was sound, and graphics in native resolution of LCD monitor in Ubuntu 10.04
by default.

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> guys i tried all possible things and tired also.
>  finally i gave that laptop
> with widows 7 as it was before
>
> things are going more worse when i am installing linux no sound no graphics
> ..
>
> i gave up finally to install ubuntu 10.04
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Re: [fsug-tvm] Re: how to play wmv files in linux ?

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Try ripping it off :P if codec search doesnt work.

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Re: [fsug-tvm] Re: Why use Ubuntu , according to Dell

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Dell service calls questions why one need LINUX!!
Probably because they are more accustomed with Win7  trouble shooting or
another business strategy.
However he agreed, after presenting the flexibility of Linux, and
availability of extremely customisable applications in Linux platform.also
agreed to send an OS installation disc.
What they suggest is to use system restore discs while reinstalling OS.I had
to download a copy of OS and enter the licence number on laptop label to get
win7 reinstalled. (Any body buying a system with genuine OS make sure that
an OS installation disk is provided, and not system restore discs)

The following are monopolizing. User's intention to install another OS along
with is not valued.
1)Use of system restore discs instead of OS installation discs
2)Promotion of Win7 through service personnel and advertisements


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> I prepared it in power point and I did state accordingly.
>
> On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 9:15 AM, Rahul Ramesh  wrote:
>
>> I am not sure of this, but afik PPT stands for "Powerpoint Presentation".
>> So i dont find anything wrong in saying i have a PPT if the presentation was
>> actually prepared in Powerpoint. Right na?
>>
>> Regards,
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>>
>> On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Kartik Singhal 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 9:47 AM, David Shar  wrote:
>>>
 Right, * *I have a PPT and I will attach it later or upload it as a
 google doc, members can pull it off if they like.

>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 7:57 AM, David Shar  wrote:
>>>
 Yes, I understand it but the file is on my windows partition and it is a
 PPT file.

>>>
>>> But you didn't say PPT file, you said you have a PPT.
>>> Let me ask a question - what would you call a spreadsheet in .xls format?
>>> I have an XLS OR I have an XLS file OR I have a spreadsheet?
>>>
>>> IMO you can understand the difference yourself.
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Re: [fsug-tvm] Re: windows 7 is washing out grub --help-urgent

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Problem settled at the moment  with installing Linux in extended partitions
created using Win7 computer management.(thanks to Bipin's recommendation) No
grub washout by Win OS in last 4 or 5 reboots. Dell recovery partition
erased.

On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 2:49 AM, David Shar  wrote:

> My bad. Fedora 13 does have a GRUB2 .
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 3:07 PM, David Shar  wrote:
>
>> Right. This guy seem to make wild claims.
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Praveen A  wrote:
>>
>>> 2010/6/18 Kartik Singhal :
>>> > When I installed Fedora 13, two weeks back, I also had trouble with
>>> booting
>>> > (I have both Win 7 and Fedora 13 on my system). But later I reinstalled
>>> grub
>>> > using a live CD and then everything worked fine. I am easily able to
>>> boot
>>> > into both the OSes. I can't figure out what problem is leading you to
>>> this
>>> > hassle?
>>>
>>> Fedora 13 is still using grub legacy, but Debian and Ubuntu has moved
>>> to grub2. MBR has grub2.
>>>
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Re: [fsug-tvm] windows 7 is washing out grub --help-urgent

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>From the above discussions, the problem looks like:

An OS  stores information about partitions state at the time of install,
(and details of edits done inside this OS), which it re-establishes whenever
an 'un-authentic' change is observed.
(A malware too could alter partitions, so considering the positive aspects,
total disabling of this feature is not intended.

"An OS" is here personified by Win7/Vista :P
Then it would be better if we can *update that data* in the Windows system *to
the correct way the user intended it to be*. Also its backup copies.
(corresponding to the changes we made in partitions during linux
installation).

This is offcourse not a platform to discuss propreitory work arounds, but I
belive some overrides would become necessary *IF* any OS aggresively
prevents user's wish to have an FOSS OS in his system. I hope somebody
should be able to help..

If everything where open  :P !!

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> Just download it and run the command or burn to disk. if you have windows
> you can install it directly from windows.
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 7:34 PM, sonal jain wrote:
>
>> how to install Super Grub Disk ??
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Praveen A  wrote:
>>
>>> 2010/6/17 David Shar :
>>> > well Grub 2 is crap.
>>>
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Re: [fsug-tvm] Optimal Swap size for 4GB RAM?

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Thankyou. going for a 4GB swap, i hope it leaves no margin for perfomance
flaws in memmory intensive tasks. and will there be a perfomance difference
is swap is Primary / Logical partition in an extended one?

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>
>
> On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Anoop Jacob Thomas wrote:
>
>> Swap comes into picture when you main memory is almost full.
>>
>> So if you want to run some memory intensive task, then better for bigger
>> swap(still it won't make your system faster). Or else if it is normal
>> usage(not memory intensive) then you don't need much swap area.
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[fsug-tvm] Optimal Swap size for 4GB RAM?

[nishandh M]

hi, on googling, it says convention is to provide double the size of RAM for
SWAP. Does this apply for newer systems?
Should I use a swap of 8GB for a 4GB RAM system.how much would be optimal?

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Re: [fsug-tvm] Re: GPT to MBR / extended partitioning..

[nishandh M]

Cute partition manager gives the message "error loading partition
table;reason Invalid partition signature" when attempting to edit the HDD.
what could be the problem?

On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 1:51 AM, nishandh M  wrote:

> Used "convert mbr" in diskpart tool to create MBR disk, as explained in
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/300415. It said disk is MBR now.
> but still unable to create an extended partition using Gparated. "Create as
> extended" option is still grayed out.
>
> I am looking to create extended partitions for Linux, as windows 7 takes up
> 2 primary partitions while installing. At the moment the HDD is empty, and
> anything can be attempted on it.
>
> "Unable to create Extended partitions" is the problem.
>
> @Bipin,  I have already erased the Win7. I remember this: the partition I
> specified for windows had a warning mark on the partition. And a statement
> below, that windows cannot be installed on this partition. On clicking the
> yellow warning triangle, it brought up a message that "windows cannot be
> installed, and to check instructions for installing windows in GPT" .Its
> only then i found out that i have a GPT issue. The GPT could have been
> initiated by installation of Hackintosh, which gave "installed
> succesfully"message, but crashed on booting. Does this installation change
> any BIOS setting associated with HDD and its partitions/boot ?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 11:20 PM, bipin kumar  wrote:
>
>> this link  might be helpful as well
>>
>> http://www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/whatsgpt.html
>>
>> On Jun 17, 5:58 am, nishandh M  wrote:
>> > Hello, some relevant web links/comments on the follow would be of great
>> > help:
>> >
>> > 1) Which standalone tool is good to *convert a GPT hard drive to an
>> > MBR*one? Hope there would be one with low download size like below
>> > 50MB.I have
>> > Bootdisks of PartedMagic and Cute Partition Manager, will these be of
>> help?
>> >
>> > Unable to find the windows7 partitions in ubuntu 10.04 partitioning
>> tool.
>> > [full free spaceshown]. Win7 still loads eventhough partitions are not
>> > shown. I remember windows came up with a "GPT drive" warning while
>> > installing, but somehow got installed later.
>> >
>> > 3) Any body met with a situation by which one *cant create extended
>> > partition* in PartedMagic? The options are inactive, except "create
>> primary
>> > partition" is it associated with the hardisk being GPT? Even after
>> erasing
>> > the entire disk, the option is grayed-out :(
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Re: [fsug-tvm] windows 7 is washing out grub --help-urgent

[nishandh M]

@David, Thanks.. super grub disk downlaoded from the following link, and
booted
http://developer.berlios.de/project/showfiles.php?group_id=10921
looks like an easy way to restore grub.

On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 7:33 PM, David Shar  wrote:

> Hi, You need to log in with live cd and restore the Grub. See if it works
> otherwise open Gparted and flag Ubuntu partition as a "boot". If it still
> fails email me your fdsik -l output. In addition try super grub disk, a free
> utility that handles complicated boot options.
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 9:25 PM, nishandh M  wrote:
>
>> Windows 7 seems to make two primary partitions, a 100MB as well as a user
>> specified size partition. Boot flag is on the 100MB partition. Any
>> correlation for the above discussd problem to this fact?
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 7:59 AM, Manu Krishnan T.V <
>> tvmanukrish...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  On Wednesday 16 June 2010 12:45 AM, raghu ram wrote:
>>>
>>> Friends recently i installed ubuntu 10.04 in my friend's dell studio
>>> latptop
>>> which is having windows 7, after installing ubuntu i could see grub with
>>> windows and linux
>>> partitions,
>>> for checking i booted into windows 7 which suceesfully booted but when i
>>> restarted no grub boot loader is there.
>>> using live cd again i installed grub it had shown windows and linux when
>>> ever i am booting into windows grub
>>> is washing out. it is teling no operating system found
>>>
>>>  note : grub always finding the path of recovery paritions probably
>>> removing grub
>>>
>>>  the paritions are like this
>>> sda 1 is dell utiliity
>>> sda 2 is windows recovery ( where grub always booting through)
>>> sda 3 is windows os ( pc is supposed to boot)
>>>  remaining are linux partitions
>>>
>>> Since you are having Dell, check for any software like Dell Backup safe
>>> or something installed in your Windows 7. My friend had the same problem and
>>> he got it fixed after removing that software. There is a documentation
>>> regarding it in the Ubuntu website. but I can't locate in now. :(
>>>
>>>  --
>>>
>>>  suggestions or solutions or comments are welcome
>>> thanks inadvance
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Susarla Raghuram
>>> Research Fellow
>>> Space Physics Laboratory
>>> Vikram Sarabhai space center
>>> Thiruvananthapuram. 695022
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> With love and regards,
>>> Tvm a.k.a Bizzard
>>>
>>>  Find me @ Bizzard's Hackshop <http://www.bizzard.info/>
>>>
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>>> needs help. Beauty is in heart, not in face..!! - A.P.J Abdul Kalam
>>>
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Re: [fsug-tvm] Re: GPT to MBR / extended partitioning..

[nishandh M]

Used "convert mbr" in diskpart tool to create MBR disk, as explained in
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/300415. It said disk is MBR now.
but still unable to create an extended partition using Gparated. "Create as
extended" option is still grayed out.

I am looking to create extended partitions for Linux, as windows 7 takes up
2 primary partitions while installing. At the moment the HDD is empty, and
anything can be attempted on it.

"Unable to create Extended partitions" is the problem.

@Bipin,  I have already erased the Win7. I remember this: the partition I
specified for windows had a warning mark on the partition. And a statement
below, that windows cannot be installed on this partition. On clicking the
yellow warning triangle, it brought up a message that "windows cannot be
installed, and to check instructions for installing windows in GPT" .Its
only then i found out that i have a GPT issue. The GPT could have been
initiated by installation of Hackintosh, which gave "installed
succesfully"message, but crashed on booting. Does this installation change
any BIOS setting associated with HDD and its partitions/boot ?


On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 11:20 PM, bipin kumar  wrote:

> this link  might be helpful as well
>
> http://www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/whatsgpt.html
>
> On Jun 17, 5:58 am, nishandh M  wrote:
> > Hello, some relevant web links/comments on the follow would be of great
> > help:
> >
> > 1) Which standalone tool is good to *convert a GPT hard drive to an
> > MBR*one? Hope there would be one with low download size like below
> > 50MB.I have
> > Bootdisks of PartedMagic and Cute Partition Manager, will these be of
> help?
> >
> > Unable to find the windows7 partitions in ubuntu 10.04 partitioning tool.
> > [full free spaceshown]. Win7 still loads eventhough partitions are not
> > shown. I remember windows came up with a "GPT drive" warning while
> > installing, but somehow got installed later.
> >
> > 3) Any body met with a situation by which one *cant create extended
> > partition* in PartedMagic? The options are inactive, except "create
> primary
> > partition" is it associated with the hardisk being GPT? Even after
> erasing
> > the entire disk, the option is grayed-out :(
> > --
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Re: [fsug-tvm] windows 7 is washing out grub --help-urgent

[nishandh M]

Windows 7 seems to make two primary partitions, a 100MB as well as a user
specified size partition. Boot flag is on the 100MB partition. Any
correlation for the above discussd problem to this fact?

On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 7:59 AM, Manu Krishnan T.V  wrote:

>  On Wednesday 16 June 2010 12:45 AM, raghu ram wrote:
>
> Friends recently i installed ubuntu 10.04 in my friend's dell studio
> latptop
> which is having windows 7, after installing ubuntu i could see grub with
> windows and linux
> partitions,
> for checking i booted into windows 7 which suceesfully booted but when i
> restarted no grub boot loader is there.
> using live cd again i installed grub it had shown windows and linux when
> ever i am booting into windows grub
> is washing out. it is teling no operating system found
>
>  note : grub always finding the path of recovery paritions probably
> removing grub
>
>  the paritions are like this
> sda 1 is dell utiliity
> sda 2 is windows recovery ( where grub always booting through)
> sda 3 is windows os ( pc is supposed to boot)
>  remaining are linux partitions
>
> Since you are having Dell, check for any software like Dell Backup safe or
> something installed in your Windows 7. My friend had the same problem and he
> got it fixed after removing that software. There is a documentation
> regarding it in the Ubuntu website. but I can't locate in now. :(
>
>  --
>
>  suggestions or solutions or comments are welcome
> thanks inadvance
>
>
>
> Susarla Raghuram
> Research Fellow
> Space Physics Laboratory
> Vikram Sarabhai space center
> Thiruvananthapuram. 695022
>
>
>
> --
> With love and regards,
> Tvm a.k.a Bizzard
>
>  Find me @ Bizzard's Hackshop 
>
> Quote: I'm not a HANDSOME guy. But I can give my HAND to SOME one who needs
> help. Beauty is in heart, not in face..!! - A.P.J Abdul Kalam
>
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[fsug-tvm] Re: GPT to MBR / extended partitioning..

[nishandh M]

The exact tool used was GParted 0.5.2 in PartedMagic.

On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 5:58 PM, nishandh M  wrote:

> Hello, some relevant web links/comments on the follow would be of great
> help:
>
> 1) Which standalone tool is good to *convert a GPT hard drive to an MBR*one? 
> Hope there would be one with low download size like below 50MB.I have
> Bootdisks of PartedMagic and Cute Partition Manager, will these be of help?
>
> Unable to find the windows7 partitions in ubuntu 10.04 partitioning tool.
> [full free spaceshown]. Win7 still loads eventhough partitions are not
> shown. I remember windows came up with a "GPT drive" warning while
> installing, but somehow got installed later.
>
> 3) Any body met with a situation by which one *cant create extended
> partition* in PartedMagic? The options are inactive, except "create
> primary partition" is it associated with the hardisk being GPT? Even after
> erasing the entire disk, the option is grayed-out :(
> --
>
>
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[fsug-tvm] GPT to MBR / extended partitioning..

[nishandh M]

Hello, some relevant web links/comments on the follow would be of great
help:

1) Which standalone tool is good to *convert a GPT hard drive to an
MBR*one? Hope there would be one with low download size like below
50MB.I have
Bootdisks of PartedMagic and Cute Partition Manager, will these be of help?

Unable to find the windows7 partitions in ubuntu 10.04 partitioning tool.
[full free spaceshown]. Win7 still loads eventhough partitions are not
shown. I remember windows came up with a "GPT drive" warning while
installing, but somehow got installed later.

3) Any body met with a situation by which one *cant create extended
partition* in PartedMagic? The options are inactive, except "create primary
partition" is it associated with the hardisk being GPT? Even after erasing
the entire disk, the option is grayed-out :(
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Re: [fsug-tvm] Review of Kerala State Spatial Data Infrastructure and SPARK Project

[nishandh M]

great news!

On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Sarath Babu M G wrote:

>
> Good Deal..!
>
>
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>
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Re: [fsug-tvm] Fwd: [ILUG-Cochin.org] Linux Users vs. Linux Culture

[nishandh M]

the author address himself  "self-proclaimed Linux FANATIC". That saved some
flames! :) The responses too are good to read..

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Re: [fsug-tvm] UBUNTU and HARD DISK ERROR

[nishandh M]

If your BIOS is SMART(or any other pre-boot disk diagnostic agent) enabled,
you may try disabling it in BIOS menu (not recommended for permanent use).

I got a similiar problem earlier. The bios detected issues with Hard Disk
health (SMART), and twice failed to boot. I got a new HDD for the laptop,
and used the old HDD as an additional removable storage, using the external
USB casing avilable in the market. It costs from 450 - 700 only. There was
no error in accessing the HDD as a secondary storage, but when used as boot
media, it fails. I wont recommend it for storing important data though. If
everything fails,and the data inside is very important, I think buying the
2.5" USB casing would be a solution.

caution:Turn off "boot from USB drive" if you plan to keep it plugged in
during system boot. since there is a boot sector in your HDD, the system may
attempt booting from external HDD and hang.




On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Subin Mathew wrote:

> hi, there seems to be an error when i tried to boot up kubuntu, its the
> earlier version, with security updates, the laptop is a bit old and i jus
> rescued it after a major disk error, and unfortunately left some
> confidential and important material in the "/" root drive. now when i try to
> access i get:
>
> General disk error:
> press ctl+d to cancel ( which doesnt work)
>
> and it goes for hours and hours with the error
> [267.0675678] ata1.00: status : {DRDY ERR}
>   error {UNC}
>
> like this many line commands, i tried to boot up with with the cd and
> retrieve my files , but grub loots up even before,
>
> so:
> 1. is there any way to get mu files : cause when i ran the safemode also
> this error came up, but on memory test there was no error,
> 2. is there a grub command that i can boot a cd?
> 3. i tried cancelling the fsck but it starts by it self... so command line
> is no use...
>
> NEEd help;
> desp:
> subin
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Re: [fsug-tvm] Contribute-alike agreement.

[nishandh M]

yeah. nice to hear that.
I too have a feeling that this wont work in FOSS, as you said,Especially in
software development sector.
In service sector, it is little different i think.(the first post didnt
thrust on the 'service' sector)
While software development is a thrilling effort, service could be like
repeating the same thing many many times..  It may not be that inspiring to
everybody . (though there are exceptions. There are un-perspiring people
inside) I think it would certainly be cool to get a commitment from the
benificiary. how ever small it is. Like "I made a traffic board straight" or
"I gave my old text book to this school boy" or "i invited my friend to play
a game in my FOSS system"or anything like that.

  Fsug-Tvm has 14375  messages until today. hoping one fifth of it are
queries (2875) from the end-users[ non-code contributing/non bug reporting ]
and half of them made some commitments, we would see some 1437.5 positive
social activities. If all these would be put in a web site,it would be
really cool to see. It would certainly pull more contributors to the list.
It would be a refreshing activity to reply to querries then, even if it is
pakka repetition. What if the beneficiary attributes the activity to those
who responds to their quiries? it would certainly be great to 'feel with
fingers' the impact you made in the society.
And those people who just cant ask for help without presenting a
reciprocating gift, would be very happy to ask for help. There are a million
people who just wont take free lunch, even in the form of free service :)
.Will be good, if they have a space for showing how they give back..


Obligation would always make it harmfull, but a platform to express would be
nice know?

Certainly, would like to hear more, when you are free ..









On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Robin S. Parriath
wrote:

>  Hey Nishandh,
>
> See my comments inline.
>
>
> On 05/18/2010 10:09 PM, nishandh M wrote:
>
> Hi everybody, would you mind making a choice / comment ?
> I am not standing on any side in this thread, just would like some opinions
> please. hope there wont be flaming, I understand the content is little
> irritating.
>
> Ideas aren't irritating.  Only the tone in which they are put forward.  I,
> for one, don't find this irritating/annoying/worth flaming.  ;-)
>
>
>
>  0) Is there any need, to prevent social parasites feeding on the
> contributors effort?  (NO/YES)
>
> No.  "Social parasites" as you call them are the typical end users.  They
> want to use stuff without having to bother about how it is made or the
> philosophy behind it.
> Preventing them from using applications would be detrimental to the
> Free/Open Source, as they would simply switch to pirated products.  This
> would unwittingly reduce demand for FLOSS products and thus the demand for
> the contributors.  (If required, I'll explain my point further with examples
> after my exams  :-D .)
>
>
>
>
>  2) If there is an need, how do we accomplish it?
> Share the specific distro only among those who sign a *contribute-alike*
>  licence?
> "Contribute alike" is an agreement which is formed between Distro developer
> community ( structured FOSS service provider community ). Its states the
> users should contribute.
>
> I don't see a need.  The user base for most successful opensource product
> roughly looks like this:
>
> 90%- Users (no contribution)
> 09%- Bug reporters and contributors in other ways
> 01%- Developers
>
> (I'm writing these proportions out of memory.  The actual is probably
> slightly different.  However, it is a good approximation.)
>
> This isn't necessarily  a bad thing.  The more the number of people, the
> more the demand for the product, and it is this demand that fuels growth for
> the product and it's contributors.
>
> Note:  The success of a product is not how many contributors it has, but
> how many users it has.  Any effort to curb this number will reflect badly on
> the product.
>
>
>
>
>  3) *What all could be the terms of a contribute-alike license?*
>
>   a) Support the developers with resonable donations in cash.
>
>  If the developers want to ask for cash, they can sell the product/services
> or ask for donations.  All open source licenses allow this.
> And people do contribute to keep their favourite projects alive.  eg:
> wikipedia
>
>
>
>
>  b) Make an obligate (relaxed) agreement on the user would contribut to
> FOSS
>
>  If end users are bothered with obligations, they will choose not to be
> obligated at all.
>
>
>
>
>  c) Time-bank (spend some hours in any way good for the socety. any
> progressive way, not

Re: [fsug-tvm] Re: What would be the best practice for the moment?

[nishandh M]

ter than myself! [?] I am "so fond of mainstream"!

> an example is is the
> version of linux deployed in google servers, kernel of which is
> radically different from the mainstream linux kernel tree. oracle too
> has such a solution. now dont get started on the lines that govt lack
> the ability to do so. we do have talented pool  of unemployed youth in
> kerala, maybe this might be an opportunity for them. lets not be
> cynical.
>
true.
Does those Google thingy fall under GNU GPL? i would like to test it on my
celeron1.4GHz.
Bip, not making you angry, i am very curious about how to get a GPL code be
kept locked, keeping GNU GPL licence on softwares. make custom hardware with
some "паттичае паттичае" instruction sets which nobody understand? (dont go
for the translation, i just meant "unreadable")

To make it simple, add a single small piece of propreitory hardware with
some uncrackable instruction sets in it. Then write crooked code, which
takes a life time prepaid to understand. add shortcuts and bypasses to
compensate decrease in code perfomance.
I am this crooked, no albutham that I am always beaten up by everybody
around me.

>
> 'i am using  i...@school and i would be pleased to get some
> comments or the following problem"
> here its the problem of  the way of asking the question. rather than
> saying i...@school  linux its better to say debian sarge(i may be wrong
> about actual version of debian used) based distro and one might get
> proper answers. its important to ask intelligent questions to get
> intelligent answers.
>
simple questions can be intelligently answered too. Look into the
documentation of i...@school. and normal user get no idea what changes had
been made to the base distro, what the actual customisations are.
And i...@school user -student as well as a teacher, would be able to extract
out the software profile,necessary to be supplied with questions. :D . Just
the base distro version is enough when responding with an issue? And you are
indirectly supporting on familiarising it as a different entity.


> "Fact (5) of first post: 5)The students who learn GNU/Linux and
> associated systems does not have enough professisonal functionality**
> because of comparitively low-perfoming professional softwares in FOSS
> arena.They fail to get job.[Fact, main context of thread] "
>
> simply put  its not fact its just a statement made by you without any
> source of reference.
>
my personal attempt to setup a video machine is the refernce. ArtistX,
UbuntuStudio and DyneBolic are the ones tried so far. lagging, not
processing my footage. The details would be put later.
I am listening to cinellerra mailing list since 2008. far lagging in
handling footage available now. Kino, Openvideo editor etc are not
comparable to professional ones.


exception is Blender.
Blender is near professional software, if the user has mastery over it.It do
have some video capabilities.
Gimp was not performing good in my comparison test with PS some months back.
memmroy not getting released i think.

further a person who actually trained well in FOSS based solution is
> most likely to be better skilled in adapting solutions that are
> dissimilar to one he is experineced, converse is true for proprietary
> solutions as well. "where is Microsoft word ?" syndrome i mentioned
> earlier thread becomes valid over here.
>
as in  'somebody with a male voice called me at evening and said "son i
robed you, that you be aware that you are susceptible to getting robbed, and
you would learn to ponder with the situation better tomarrow" ?

let the users pay that price of learning, it would surely help.in any case.


Bipin, you are adding a lot of data, thanks, but i humbly request you to
lower down the muzzle power at which you are sending it to me. Were'nt you
aggressive at the first post boss? now thanks for not just leaving me to
alone to perish. thanks for the company.

Bipin
>
> On May 18, 9:09 pm, nishandh M  wrote:
> > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 11:02 AM, bipin kumar 
> wrote:
> > > "Is it terribly wrong if R&D research out side Kerala came into
> > > mention?
> > > Consider KSCSTE expenditure. [not just shooting into space, I know
> > > instances
> > > where Vista-pre installed PCs were selected to buy, when XP was still
> > > there,
> > > and Vista remained unsupported for most of the office purposes like
> > > installing the Tally version.] Most research institutes in Kerala are
> > > supported for infrastructure through central funds. Central policy
> > > counts."
> >
> > > yes it is wrong because as per your initial statement the government
> > > was going in for custom GNU/Linux distro for adminstrative purposes.
> &

[fsug-tvm] Contribute-alike agreement.

[nishandh M]

Hi everybody, would you mind making a choice / comment ?
I am not standing on any side in this thread, just would like some opinions
please. hope there wont be flaming, I understand the content is little
irritating.

0) Is there any need, to prevent social parasites feeding on the
contributors effort?  (NO/YES)

2) If there is an need, how do we accomplish it?
Share the specific distro only among those who sign a *contribute-alike*
 licence?
"Contribute alike" is an agreement which is formed between Distro developer
community ( structured FOSS service provider community ). Its states the
users should contribute.

3) *What all could be the terms of a contribute-alike license?*

a) Support the developers with resonable donations in cash.

b) Make an obligate (relaxed) agreement on the user would contribut to FOSS

c) Time-bank (spend some hours in any way good for the socety. any
progressive way, not only IT service)

kudu...@yahoogroups.com   discusses time banking concepts around kerala.(I
am not the lead, i am just an ardent reader of time banking)
http://www.timebanks.org/, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time-based_currency are
interesting reads.


d) Making a commitment would make people reluctant to adopt the specific
Distro

e) People would readily adopt the Distro, as most of them are wiling to
contribute to the society, and be a part of something progressive.

f) There is no phenomenon/process like 'parasitisation on GPL product' in
FOSS world, it would just add confusion.

d) Distro development team would be much more pleased to commit, as there is
direct evidence of social change, and never has to bear with a feeling that
they are feeding permanent 'free lunch eaters'.


d) This is all already understood, there is no need of
formalisation/discussion/consolidation.

e) Phrase (0) is too offensive, redraft.

f) a better word for "contribute-alike" :

g)This is hard to put to practice

i)This would be impractical

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Re: [fsug-tvm] Re: What would be the best practice for the moment?

[nishandh M]

 TCO justify? atleast
in long term?

What I said was: govt "support" ,and not govt "control"


> "Majority of the reaserch are human, but we have a lot of instances
> where
> there are investments for totaly illogical research [for example
> those
> involving field release of GMO food]
>
> Do you say that all resaerch in India is in good motive? I can give
> you a
> number of instances in State/Central academic and research institutes.
> Shud
> I stop commenting on research institutes, for the reason that you are
> in a
> reserach field? Thanks and admirable that you are maintaining an
> above
> normal moral value. "
>
> this forum is not place to discuss the merits and demerits of r&d
> going  on in our country. we can debate over it in another place some
> other time.
>
welcome .you are right.

>
>
> On May 18, 6:27 am, nishandh M  wrote:
> > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 2:10 AM, bipin kumar  wrote:
> > > "> 1) Kerala Govt has already forced GNU/Linux based system in
> > > > educational
> > > > system and in administrative sections.It is not just 'let the user
> > > > choose'
> > > > ans. simple, here the user is the government of kerala, and they have
> > > > chosen a solution that can meet their organizational requirements. "
> >
> > > its quite obvious from the above post that by organization i am
> > > referring to the govt of kerala hence rest of the following statement
> > > in quotes don't require further explanation
> >
> > > > "I had no idea that you are meaning Govt brother, true :(
> > > since I had stressed upon about fsug priorities, i thought its fsug.
> > > and pls
> > > gimme a clause in it which was not also applicable to fsug! "
> >
> > > > "yup. now i would put defense reserach, and research
> laboratories.Holy
> > > cows.I
> > > have seen MACs in IISC. we read about the budget in news papers.(am
> > > supportng ur view"
> >
> > > really now its quite obvious that you want hear that only really like
> > > to hear and see what you like to see.
> >
> > This is not what i like to see. Its a hard fact.Doesnt PC offer the
> similiar
> > performance at similiar cost? I dont think many reasearch softwares are
> > there specific to MAC platform. Ther are a lot of media based, which are
> > highly ranked among professionals.
> >
> >
> >
> > > this post began with your statement that the govt of Kerala has opted
> > > of custom GNU/Liinux for their administrative purposes & educational
> > > system(i.e the public education system which mainly involves the
> > > schools)
> >
> > > now where does defense research and other R&D comes in this context,
> > > will you please explain.
> >
> > Is it terribly wrong if R&D research out side Kerala came into mention?
> > Consider KSCSTE expenditure. [not just shooting into space, I know
> instances
> > where Vista-pre installed PCs were selected to buy, when XP was still
> there,
> > and Vista remained unsupported for most of the office purposes like
> > installing the Tally version.] Most research institutes in Kerala are
> > supported for infrastructure through central funds. Central policy
> counts.
> >
> > > now regarding use of macs and other expensive
> > > stuff IISc or other R&D institutes, one of which i happen to work,
> > > have you any idea regarding the computational need in an R&D lab. just
> > > to give an example three dimensional reconstruction of protein
> > > structure in my institute is done using an SGI workstation because no
> > > other platform cuts it.
> >
> >  Please release the spec? No FOSS platform cuts it?It would be worth to
> see
> > some discussion on it.
> >
> > > you want us wait for the day when such
> > > technology becomes available in other affordable platforms?
> >
> > This is a good question, which i am not sure is directed to me or into
> the
> > dark space you called?
> > You are making a comment about the current capabilities of Linux.
> >
> >
> >
> > > i merely state that hardware/software solutions for an enterprise are
> > > made on a case to case basis as per the organizations needs and
> > > financial priorities, and not on a idealogical basis.
> >
> > FOSS is an ideology based initiative,in which 'open' is the most
> outstanding
> > innovation.Not "free"

Re: [fsug-tvm] Re: A very rough draft on 'User Friendlines' in FLOSS

[nishandh M]

Sorry, bad language.
A worthy reading on how one could contribute to FOSS.
http://www.lug-iitd.org/Articles/How_can_I_contribute_to_FOSS
 will this be good addition to ilug-tvm home page?



On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 8:57 PM, nishandh M  wrote:

> a nice reading on how could contribute to Spreading Linux.(especially for
> non-techies)
> http://www.lug-iitd.org/Articles/How_can_I_contribute_to_FOSS
>
>
> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 7:45 AM, ashik salahudeen wrote:
>
>> Nishandh there is a place called 'insight' in thiruvananthapuram that
>> caters to blind people and use gnu/linux only. We can look for opinions from
>> them
>>
>> On May 17, 2010 3:42 AM, "Arjun Sr"  wrote:
>>
>> Come on guys, I think its high time to stop this Windows bashing. FSF
>> doesnt stand to terrorize any companies. Its the freedom of the user to
>> choose it.
>>
>> Live And Let Live ! ! !
>> All we do is popularize the free software by improving its quality not
>> bashing others.
>>
>> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 3:14 AM, Praveen A  wrote: > >
>> 2010/5/16 prakreet > --
>> Arjun.S.R
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>>
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Re: [fsug-tvm] Re: A very rough draft on 'User Friendlines' in FLOSS

[nishandh M]

a nice reading on how could contribute to Spreading Linux.(especially for
non-techies)
http://www.lug-iitd.org/Articles/How_can_I_contribute_to_FOSS

On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 7:45 AM, ashik salahudeen  wrote:

> Nishandh there is a place called 'insight' in thiruvananthapuram that
> caters to blind people and use gnu/linux only. We can look for opinions from
> them
>
> On May 17, 2010 3:42 AM, "Arjun Sr"  wrote:
>
> Come on guys, I think its high time to stop this Windows bashing. FSF
> doesnt stand to terrorize any companies. Its the freedom of the user to
> choose it.
>
> Live And Let Live ! ! !
> All we do is popularize the free software by improving its quality not
> bashing others.
>
> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 3:14 AM, Praveen A  wrote: > >
> 2010/5/16 prakreet  --
> Arjun.S.R
> Computer Science and Engineering
> College of Engineering Trivandrum(CET)
>
> -- "Freedom is the only law". "Freedom Unplugged" http://www.ilug-tvm.org  
> You received this me...
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Re: [fsug-tvm] Re: What would be the best practice for the moment?

[nishandh M]

ing my motive, I already said it wud be good to give more priority to
increasing userfriendliness.It helps spread, spreading helps users.

I dont exactly know the state of Linux,( My personal understanding is that
linux desktop is much more prone to break down, when the software profile is
changed. Its a linear cycle of breaks and make-agains, once you decide to
change software profile. I think no professional would afford it, unless he
has time for it,and fully capable of the repair workflow in all its ways.

anyway why should government should tackle
> such a problem? as per our constitution government can interfere in
> the activities of a business only if they are suspected/found to
> commit malpractices under the law and not at the whims and  fancies of
> a person.

I shoud keep silence on what i percieve as imperfectness? Law is not static,
its ammended based on peoples cry. discussing it in forum is bad?

> do you have any proof to the effect that corporations such
> as Redhat is giving substandard products/services in order to boost
> their profits, then by all means go ahead and sue them or make those
> proof public so that we ignorants become enlightened. Till then its
> innocent until proven guilty.

RedHat sells distro. And I never said RedHat. why did you specifically say
RedHat?
I stated a possibility.I have the right to.
'Standard products which are not servicable even by skilled user' is a
situation in field. At times, it is restricted to company service personnal,
which can be clearly shown to be under extra-profit motive.

Consider, the problem presented by Vyshak yesterday. Ubuntu doesnot provide
a default root password. there is only a complicated way of achieving it. Is
it a standard practice or a substandard practice?Linux Mint doesnt behave
this way, and it doest suffer anything worse. opinions may vary.

>




> > "Again, the holy cow is ignored. Resaerch eats national income in chunks.
> No
> complaints, would like to hear ther is a lot of FOSS adopted in it."
>
> now this is getting personal and the holy cow expression not humouring
> me in this context
>
Holy cow / sacred cow is an expression used against anything which is immune
to criticism.
Majority of the reaserch are human, but we have a lot of instances where
there are investments for totaly illogical research [for example those
involving field release of GMO food]



> put it this way i have a laptop which have brought from my fellowship.
> this fellowship isn't anyone's gift or dole, rather i have earned it
> and you personally know how difficult is to get one. so its my
> prerogative that what i do with my system and your comments are not
> welcome in that matter in a public forum.

When did i say something like that man?Off course I know how difficult it
is! You have any conscience problem with how you spend your salary, you deal
with it. Ask any reader of this thread wether any of communication contained
any indication on something like this. Why did you put that on my head? I
have never felt this stressed,reading the ML.

Do you say that all resaerch in India is in good motive? I can give you a
number of instances in State/Central academic and research institutes. Shud
I stop commenting on research institutes, for the reason that you are in a
reserach field? Thanks and admirable that you are maintaining an above
normal moral value.

i am aware of the fact that
> fellowship is awarded to me by the country in the hope of me doing
> something constructive to society and to that extend i will do
> whatever i can.

we are sure you will.

> however my personal life is not hostage to that fact
> an hardware/software solution  brought using taxpayers money by the
> government for governance purpose should only be used for that purpose
> alone and not for playing games by kids of some [public servant, if
> they want to do that they can buy their own stuff from their salary.
>
> I think the complexity is humorously used against my text going crippled?

> on the lighter note do us a favour will you? read through your lengthy
> statements twice before posting. its getting very difficult make sense
> out of those statements, i can do better job making sense from some
> journal articles
>
>
Yeah. I am not continuing any discussion associated with thoughts related to
FOSS, especially in any open forums. I am not putting this on you, you may
not answer this particular sentance. Just that I think I am doing more harm
than good.

On May 17, 11:24 pm, nishandh M  wrote:
> > On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 10:22 PM, bipin kumar 
> wrote:
> > > Seriously you dont know what you are posting do you?
> >
> > > do a google search and learn about enterprise wide IT deployment
> > > process. better some people in this group might be able to spoon feed
> > 

Re: [fsug-tvm] Re: What would be the best practice for the moment?

[nishandh M]

g with it. and it is working fine
> till date with help of community support i might add. there is enough
> opportunity for students to explore their creativity etc in that
> platform.

The student thingy described above was the after-schooling problem. They do
have more than  enough to explore, and the freedom to take it to any height.
good. They remain in FOSS or migrate to some other platform?
http://www.freelists.org/archive/schoolgnu/04-2010 is the community i think.
i has 4 posts for the last month, only one technical issue. either its not
working, or its near perfect.

Akshaya system is another, which practically still runs mostly on
proprietory system.

the only drawback i see are the luck of sufficient amount of
> hardware to ensure optimal access for students, lack of content  in
> local languages which i should say is being addressed.
>
> now to the last part. if someone is providing free good lunch for you,
> fine go and have it by all means. If you don’t like it you have the
> option of not going again, there is no compulsion. you cant be prickly
> about the amount of salt in the sambar etc
>
game over for me :(  jaaabba! some MOAB fell on my head!

>
> bipin
>
danku! that was constructive.


> ps: posted from my win7/ubuntu lucid laptop :-)
>

>
> On May 17, 7:50 pm, nishandh M  wrote:
> > On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 5:53 PM, bipin kumar  wrote:
> > > look you are going overboard over decisions that normal in a
> > > enterprise/organization.
> >
> > true.But isnt it like: FSUG is an organisation, and ilug-tvm is its
> > imprint.
> >
> > > these decisions are result of deliberation
> > > within the organization, and outside advisors. further theses
> > > decisions are also influenced by the organizational need, its
> > > financial condition etc.
> >
> > The affore said parameters are variables. What if a functionally
> structured
> >  enterprise is born out of FSUG?(not a power hierarchy) Some responders
> in
> > the list are working admirably on external funds. [and commited
> performers
> > are already being absorbed by enterprises where ever their policies
> match]
> > The meaning of your phrase could be read as "FSUG/its like-minded members
> > should never form an enterprise". Why dont you make your construct it as
> "It
> > would have been great if FSUG could have formed a structured enterprise?
> >
> > Imagine all the active men gets paid (if and only if they are willing for
> > it) for the noble purpose, and they are able to invest time 24x7 in a
> feild
> > they like to work? Let the men get paid for assigned duty, those who
> would
> > like to work on their on choices be absorbed as freelancers. Rebels are
> free
> > to do anything. For it is GNU/GPL.
> >
> > Some elaboration which most of us doesnt need, but i enjoy story telling:
> we
> > have various classes of vehicles on the road. Trying to bring out an all
> > purpose vehicle as a unified solution is impractical/has
> > limitations.(imagine a hybrid fuel macjine with train cum bicycle
> > cpabilities). But too much diversity could do harm when legislations are
> > made without bounding limits(prooved in history). Here is why setting
> > priorities becomes important. I think 'priorities'  is understood as some
> > enforcement?
> >
> > You are interpreted as supporting (7) of the first post?
> >
> > heck you yourself has stated that govt is
> >
> > > going ahead with a custom  solution for their purpose
> >
> > Heck = "way of referring to Hell <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell> "
> why
> > does men get this much adrenaline rush on my comments? is it that i am
> some
> > non-techie? (non-touchee :) ).Non-techies cant stand for anything in
> FLOSS?
> >  being at CCMB you are aware how much tissue you are endangering with the
> > adrenaline rush. Forget that its from me, just consider the logic.
> >
> > Tell me out right that "we dont want to hear this from you, you 'krimi',
> you
> > F***" and i stops it :)  not.
> >
> > which means that
> >
> > > this solution is optimized for their purpose,
> >
> > Question: A solution is proposed, without proper allocation. The usual
> > election propagande way. agree/disagree? is it working?
> >
> > > i repeat their purpose.
> > > these might include  customizing the os specific to hardware/software
> > > set to get their job done. for chrissake these systems are meant to do
> > > official job and not for ordinary use such as watching movies. playing

Re: mailing list best practices, again (sigh!) (Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog)

[nishandh M]

On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 1:14 AM, Hiran Venugopalan wrote:

> On 14 May 2010 13:00, nishandh M  wrote:
> > @Jinesh, I am understanding the evils of RTF more and more, hope we are
> > working out the policy of not using RTF.Evevnthough I look like
> > "thallandammaavaa njan nannavillaha",
>
> Simple.
>
> Your first mail to Subject : Linux haters blog looks like this
> http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/6861/screenshot1uz.png
> in gmail's terminal theme (which praveen a uses). READ. I can't still
> stop my laugh over seeing the term readability in that image!
>

:D terrible. But are you describing the part with green text over black
background?
And those portion with 'bold' certainly looks more readable in the image you
send.

@Hiran When we are trying to discuss about clarity, it would be better to
send a better resolution snap shot.Or is it the graphics driver is not very
functional in that system.I belive fonts are scalable as in SVG. or is it
the problem with screenshot tool in gnome?please send something non-lossy
compressed.

>
>
>
> --
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Re: [fsug-tvm] Re: What would be the best practice for the moment?

[nishandh M]

On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 9:22 PM, Rajeev J Sebastian <
rajeev.sebast...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 8:20 PM, nishandh M  wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 5:53 PM, bipin kumar  wrote:
> >>
> >> look you are going overboard over decisions that normal in a
> >> enterprise/organization.
> >
> > true.But isnt it like: FSUG is an organisation, and ilug-tvm is its
> > imprint.
> >>
> >> these decisions are result of deliberation
> >> within the organization, and outside advisors. further theses
> >> decisions are also influenced by the organizational need, its
> >> financial condition etc.
> >
> > The affore said parameters are variables. What if a functionally
> structured
> >  enterprise is born out of FSUG?(not a power hierarchy) Some responders
> in
> > the list are working admirably on external funds. [and commited
> performers
> > are already being absorbed by enterprises where ever their policies
> match]
> > The meaning of your phrase could be read as "FSUG/its like-minded members
> > should never form an enterprise".
>
> HAHAHA. You must be joking. That will never work, because employees
> somehow think 100% differently when they come home and don their
> "FLOSS" hats.
>
Assuming you left off the working atmosphere and
resource-to-productivity-ratio in a committed NGO?

>
> >
> > Heck = "way of referring to Hell " why does men get this much adrenaline
> > rush on my comments? is it that i am some non-techie? (non-touchee
> > :) ).Non-techies cant stand for anything in FLOSS?  being at CCMB you are
> > aware how much tissue you are endangering with the adrenaline rush.
> Forget
> > that its from me, just consider the logic.
> > Tell me out right that "we dont want to hear this from you, you 'krimi',
> you
> > F***" and i stops it :)  not.
>
> Guess what I am saying right now? :P
>
yaeh, you made it very straight earlier, i want some more signs under it!

>
> >>
> >> which means that
> >> this solution is optimized for their purpose,
> >
> > Question: A solution is proposed, without proper allocation. The usual
> > election propagande way. agree/disagree? is it working?
> >>
> >> i repeat their purpose.
> >> these might include  customizing the os specific to hardware/software
> >> set to get their job done. for chrissake these systems are meant to do
> >> official job and not for ordinary use such as watching movies. playing
> >> games.
> >
> > Bad bad attitude of techies that watching movies and playing  games are
> > not_for_the_most_adorable_of_them.
> > Arent you playing a first person shooter game at the moment? Look you
> have
> > succesfully gathered an (+100) sabotage package, which you may percieve
> as
> > MOAB or SWORD! you are adding men to your Holly Alliance to a strategic
> > game. The more logical you are, the more support your argument get.
> > To state it seriously: The frame work to watch movies, play games are
> shared
> > for watching news streams and working research/educational simulators.
> > We (who ever it is) doesnt use it for creative purpose means we have set
> our
> > priorities adorably like that.
>
> Most techies watch a lot of movies and play a lot of games ... (or get
> entertained in some other way). I personally have a 600GB collection
> of movies and play Urbanterror every 5-6 hours.
>
@ sorry man, this is personal, its certainly better than my personality
which you comentd upon.(the allopathy thingy, which you mis interpreted as
modern medicine as such).

>
>
> >>
> >> this is how redhat/canonical makes money. they don't sell the os.
> >> instead they charge for the customer support/service. i.e tailoring
> >> the os to meet the customers need.
> >
> > Converse of theory: The more stupid the base distribution is, the more
> money
> > they get. (Reading in between lines). Let their buisiness model work. for
> > any sake.
> > Fact: IF a FLOSS company with buisiness ethics propose that 'they rectify
> > the problems of ITC sector of Govt of Kerala' based on FLOSS, they can
> win
> > it without even 1% of the money M$ spent on Malyasian bureaucracy*. (*as
> > read on internet).
>
> You are 100% wrong about this. I would say the "Govt" has other
> priorities than supporting FLOSS or supporting companies with business
> ethics. What they are committed to is of course, using FLOSS as an
> election platform or as a promotion 

Re: [fsug-tvm] Re: What would be the best practice for the moment?

[nishandh M]

>
If the hotel owner thinks ditributing food for free cures his only daughters
disease, the 'customer'  gets free lunch. Isolate the customer from the
Hotel owner in discussing this system. The customer gets lunch absolutely
free. When there are a lot of such hotel owners in the society, and they
declare lunch is available for free(or is known), the customer gets lunch
free 365 & 1/4.

The kerala farmer survey on why individuals TUX, may be put to scrutiny to
get an answer.
I am not comparing the ideology behind FLOSS to the above stupid reason. Its
an easy grab and a comparitively simple system. We have a reason, Humanity.
And the tendency to fight againsit what is percieved as anti human.

Forgive me, there is lot of noise, either you can deal with core issues or
pour some aviation turbine fluid into the noise.


>
>
> On May 17, 4:43 pm, nishandh M  wrote:
> > On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 4:52 PM, bipin kumar  wrote:
> > > 1) Kerala Govt has already forced GNU/Linux based system in
> > > educational
> > > system and in administrative sections.It is not just 'let the user
> > > choose'
> >
> > > ans. simple, here the user is the government of kerala, and they have
> > > chosen a solution that can meet their organizational requirements.
> >
> > @Bipin, Unfortunately, I cant imagine user 'Govt' sitting in front of a
> boot
> > screen. I can think about end users only.Govt is the decision maker and
> > enforcer.
> > Could it be very wrong, if somebody says Govt asked a group of people,
> and
> > they made this mistake of instructing govt to use the specific distro in
> > administrative wings? Consider the frequency of breakdowns as evident in
> > this mailing list itself. Some end users are not comfortable with current
> > framework to support FLOSS. What would be the recommendation if Govt
> gives
> > the people an opportunity regarding improvement of FLOSS and support
> frame
> > work? This opportunity is always there.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On May 17, 11:52 am, nishandh M  wrote:
> > > > Problem:
> > > > 1)Kerala Govt has already forced GNU/Linux based system in
> educational
> > > > system and in administrative sections.It is not just 'let the user
> > > choose'
> > > > [Fact, context]
> > > > 2)Software providers in the field of GNU/Linux does not create it to
> be
> > > > compatible with every distro/OS version[Fact]
> > > > 3)Additional softwares/updates need to be installed for specific
> > > > purposes,[Fact]
> > > > 4)Current GNU/Linux systems has a high risk of breaking without
> warning,
> > > > when softwares profile is changed[Fact]
> > > > 5)The students who learn GNU/Linux and associated systems does not
> have
> > > > enough professisonal functionality** because of comparitively
> > > low-perfoming
> > > > professional softwares in FOSS arena.They fail to get job.[Fact, main
> > > > context of thread]
> >
> > > > **apart from server side/embedded/mobile technologies in case of (5)
> >
> > > > ...
> > > > As a key player in FOSS in Kerala, what would be FSUG-TVM priority?
> > > (please
> > > > select more than one if necessary)
> > > > 6)Give thrust on supporting the Distro and version the state has
> > > > adopted(ubuntu), as specifically biased support could help boost its
> > > spread.
> > > > 7)Answer every possible querry in FLOSS, based on individual
> MailingList
> > > > members interest.
> > > > 8)Support any other distro [one or more] : schoolOS, Mint,debian,
> RedHat,
> > > > Fedora, Slackware, ArtistX, Novell, .. ..n
> > > > 9)Strongly plead the govt for investing heavily in developing
> > > professional
> > > > GNU/Linux and compatible software systems(mainly owing to reason 5)
> > > > 10)Strongly plead the Govt to support heavily in user-developer
> > > > communication systems, as it is necessary to rectify break downs(read
> > > along
> > > > with 4)
> > > > 11)Get into long term contract ( financial aid ) with Mac / Win owing
> to
> > > > thier international success in providing professional software
> > > compatibility
> > > > :D
> > > > 12)Get into long term contract with professional application
> providers
> > > > (Adobe, Avid, Apple... etc) owing to thier international success in
> > > >

Re: mailing list best practices, again (sigh!) (Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog)

[nishandh M]

On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 4:47 PM, Rajeev J Sebastian <
rajeev.sebast...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Ashik S  wrote:
> > Of course. As I said I was merely expressing my views. I didnt ask anyone
> to accept it, nor to abide by it. I think Rajeev mentioned Multipart emails.
> I do not know what that is, but from what he describes, its looks useful.
>
>
> Hi Aashik,
>
> The multipart email bit was an insider joke :D I really doubt
> "non-techies" can send multipart emails very easily ;)
>
Adoption of technology is a selling point. We know of Googles principles. If
the technology is got something good, service providers are gonna implement
it. May be we would say "nops, only plaint text in here" when it arrives in
an easy way,as to be send by newbies.

>
> Regards
> Rajeev J Sebastian
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Re: [fsug-tvm] Re: What would be the best practice for the moment?

[nishandh M]

On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 4:52 PM, bipin kumar  wrote:

> 1) Kerala Govt has already forced GNU/Linux based system in
> educational
> system and in administrative sections.It is not just 'let the user
> choose'
>
> ans. simple, here the user is the government of kerala, and they have
> chosen a solution that can meet their organizational requirements.
>
@Bipin, Unfortunately, I cant imagine user 'Govt' sitting in front of a boot
screen. I can think about end users only.Govt is the decision maker and
enforcer.
Could it be very wrong, if somebody says Govt asked a group of people, and
they made this mistake of instructing govt to use the specific distro in
administrative wings? Consider the frequency of breakdowns as evident in
this mailing list itself. Some end users are not comfortable with current
framework to support FLOSS. What would be the recommendation if Govt gives
the people an opportunity regarding improvement of FLOSS and support frame
work? This opportunity is always there.

>
> On May 17, 11:52 am, nishandh M  wrote:
> > Problem:
> > 1)Kerala Govt has already forced GNU/Linux based system in educational
> > system and in administrative sections.It is not just 'let the user
> choose'
> > [Fact, context]
> > 2)Software providers in the field of GNU/Linux does not create it to be
> > compatible with every distro/OS version[Fact]
> > 3)Additional softwares/updates need to be installed for specific
> > purposes,[Fact]
> > 4)Current GNU/Linux systems has a high risk of breaking without warning,
> > when softwares profile is changed[Fact]
> > 5)The students who learn GNU/Linux and associated systems does not have
> > enough professisonal functionality** because of comparitively
> low-perfoming
> > professional softwares in FOSS arena.They fail to get job.[Fact, main
> > context of thread]
> >
> > **apart from server side/embedded/mobile technologies in case of (5)
> >
> > ...
> > As a key player in FOSS in Kerala, what would be FSUG-TVM priority?
> (please
> > select more than one if necessary)
> > 6)Give thrust on supporting the Distro and version the state has
> > adopted(ubuntu), as specifically biased support could help boost its
> spread.
> > 7)Answer every possible querry in FLOSS, based on individual MailingList
> > members interest.
> > 8)Support any other distro [one or more] : schoolOS, Mint,debian, RedHat,
> > Fedora, Slackware, ArtistX, Novell, .. ..n
> > 9)Strongly plead the govt for investing heavily in developing
> professional
> > GNU/Linux and compatible software systems(mainly owing to reason 5)
> > 10)Strongly plead the Govt to support heavily in user-developer
> > communication systems, as it is necessary to rectify break downs(read
> along
> > with 4)
> > 11)Get into long term contract ( financial aid ) with Mac / Win owing to
> > thier international success in providing professional software
> compatibility
> > :D
> > 12)Get into long term contract with professional application providers
> > (Adobe, Avid, Apple... etc) owing to thier international success in
> > providing professional software compatibility
> > 13)Get into long term contract with FOSS software providers as this would
> > explode possibilities in near future, eventhough not right now.
> > 11)something else.
> >
> > ..
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[fsug-tvm] What would be the best practice for the moment?

[nishandh M]

Problem:
1)Kerala Govt has already forced GNU/Linux based system in educational
system and in administrative sections.It is not just 'let the user choose'
[Fact, context]
2)Software providers in the field of GNU/Linux does not create it to be
compatible with every distro/OS version[Fact]
3)Additional softwares/updates need to be installed for specific
purposes,[Fact]
4)Current GNU/Linux systems has a high risk of breaking without warning,
when softwares profile is changed[Fact]
5)The students who learn GNU/Linux and associated systems does not have
enough professisonal functionality** because of comparitively low-perfoming
professional softwares in FOSS arena.They fail to get job.[Fact, main
context of thread]

**apart from server side/embedded/mobile technologies in case of (5)

...
As a key player in FOSS in Kerala, what would be FSUG-TVM priority? (please
select more than one if necessary)
6)Give thrust on supporting the Distro and version the state has
adopted(ubuntu), as specifically biased support could help boost its spread.
7)Answer every possible querry in FLOSS, based on individual MailingList
members interest.
8)Support any other distro [one or more] : schoolOS, Mint,debian, RedHat,
Fedora, Slackware, ArtistX, Novell, .. ..n
9)Strongly plead the govt for investing heavily in developing professional
GNU/Linux and compatible software systems(mainly owing to reason 5)
10)Strongly plead the Govt to support heavily in user-developer
communication systems, as it is necessary to rectify break downs(read along
with 4)
11)Get into long term contract ( financial aid ) with Mac / Win owing to
thier international success in providing professional software compatibility
:D
12)Get into long term contract with professional application providers
(Adobe, Avid, Apple... etc) owing to thier international success in
providing professional software compatibility
13)Get into long term contract with FOSS software providers as this would
explode possibilities in near future, eventhough not right now.
11)something else.


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Re: mailing list best practices, again (sigh!) (Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog)

[nishandh M]

On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Srihari k  wrote:

> On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 6:15 PM, nishandh M  wrote:
> > "Why differential emphasis of text?" :  (these are known facts, but needs
> to
> > be elaborated, owing to the solid NO-RTF/HTML cry in the posts):
> >
> > When we make a post considering an extended range of readers,(from the
> busy
> > contributors to --especially-- the newbie user) , we may have to expand a
> > lot. A long post is not preferred in Mailing List, and giving some
> emphasis
> > to relevant part of it makes it easier for the busy men.
> >
> > Ways to asssert emphasis to parts of text:
> > make Bold, Italics, connect with underscore, alter colour, give highlight
> > etc
>
> *bold* /italics/ _underline_  -- this much stuff would be enough for a
> mailing list i suppose. This ain't a love letter to be colorful.
>
> [snip]
> >
> > Now if some people want to use Stone age software to read the
> communications
> > which exploits possibility of 21st century protocols and compliant
> > softwares, it absolutely OK for them to. [i havent had a single drop of
> 21st
> > century allopathic medicine in my blood stream for some 6 years]
> Everybody
> > has the right to adopt their ways and declare it, but no right to force
> it.
>
> DONT YOU DARE call my phone stone age.Though it is a low-end nokia
> phone.It _definitely_ compliant to the '''21st century protocols'''.
>
@think about the context.Is your fone compliant with internet protocols?

>
> forgot to say BOLD TEXT is supposed to be shouting.
>
> > Crying out to stop RTF/HTML as such would be a bad idea. Some days ago,
> > 'Kerala Farmer' conducted a survey in this Mailing List, which had
> 'bold's
> > in it. It attracted no irritation to bold_italics_underlines. Because its
> > beautifully done,unlike my ways of RTFing. We can see some very
> productive
> > improvements made to increase the survey's user friendliness there.
>
>
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Re: mailing list best practices, again (sigh!) (Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog)

[nishandh M]

On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Rajeev J Sebastian <
rajeev.sebast...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 6:15 PM, nishandh M  wrote:
> > "Why differential emphasis of text?" :  (these are known facts, but needs
> to
> > be elaborated, owing to the solid NO-RTF/HTML cry in the posts):
> >
> > When we make a post considering an extended range of readers,(from the
> busy
> > contributors to --especially-- the newbie user) , we may have to expand a
> > lot. A long post is not preferred in Mailing List, and giving some
> emphasis
> > to relevant part of it makes it easier for the busy men.
> >
> > Ways to asssert emphasis to parts of text:
> > make Bold, Italics, connect with underscore, alter colour, give highlight
> > etc
> > Part of these methods add additional 'text tags' or non readable 'format
> > data' to the paragraph. [a paragraph in terms of text renderers is a
> string
> > of letters, which continues until we press 'enter' key.A new paragraph is
> > born when 'enter' is pressed. Here the paragraph is different from its
> > conventional literary sense.'Shift+Enter' is the right way to make a
> > literary paragraph]
>
> Not sure where you learned this, but in most software pressing Enter
> starts a new paragraph, whereas Shift-Enter simply starts a new line.
> For e.g., OOo 3.1.1 has that behaviour. If you turn on "Non-printing
> characters" in the View menu, you can easily see the Pilcrow at the
> end of paragraphs and a Line Feed character at the end of forced line
> breaks.
>
> >
> > Now if some people want to use Stone age software to read the
> communications
> > which exploits possibility of 21st century protocols and compliant
> > softwares, it absolutely OK for them to. [i havent had a single drop of
> 21st
> > century allopathic medicine in my blood stream for some 6 years]
> Everybody
> > has the right to adopt their ways and declare it, but no right to force
> it.
> >
>
> You have been given some options to do this. You could for e.g., write
> a blog post with all the formatting you want, and post a link here to
> the list. Or you can exploit "21st century" or in fact 20th century
> protocols, and include multipart email messages, with a plain text
> version, an RTF version and an HTML version.

@Rajiv You are saying you never read or retain a comprehension about the
full thread? atleast before answering? Messages which senses the accessing
the module was a suggestion. Let full message remain at mail service
provider, and compliant form be send to the accessing system, whether it is
mobile or browser or CLI.

>


> As far as you not using modern medical technology, well, you are
> endangering yourself and in some ways, endangering the rest of society
> as well. But you are free to damage your fellow man in any way you
> want.
>
"But you are free to damage your fellow man" is exactly the expected reply.

>
>
> > 
> >
> > Consolidation regarding RTF-HTML / Plain text usage:
> >
> >
> > Do not use any formating which adds additional characters to the original
> > text, which gets displayed in the less-able software systems.
> > As far as I know, BOLD and ITALIC adds no additional visible characters
> in
> > such scenarios. These can be used in a positive way. As it consumes time
> and
> > effort to differentiate parts of text, it would be recommended only at
> > special circumsatnces.
> > Like the following: the posts are very long, but cutting it short
> > compromises readability of non-expert user .
> >
>
> Not sure what you're trying to accomplish here. If it was to establish
> your identity, then hey, you've done it. Now, we all know who
> "nishandh" is and how much he has contributed to making this a sane
> mailing list, especially his contributions in formalizing something
> we've all known for years.
>
> Thank You!
>
> Regards
> Rajeev J Sebastian
>
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Re: mailing list best practices, again (sigh!) (Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog)

[nishandh M]

On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Srihari k  wrote:

> On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 6:15 PM, nishandh M  wrote:
> > "Why differential emphasis of text?" :  (these are known facts, but needs
> to
> > be elaborated, owing to the solid NO-RTF/HTML cry in the posts):
> >
> > When we make a post considering an extended range of readers,(from the
> busy
> > contributors to --especially-- the newbie user) , we may have to expand a
> > lot. A long post is not preferred in Mailing List, and giving some
> emphasis
> > to relevant part of it makes it easier for the busy men.
> >
> > Ways to asssert emphasis to parts of text:
> > make Bold, Italics, connect with underscore, alter colour, give highlight
> > etc
>
> *bold* /italics/ _underline_  -- this much stuff would be enough for a
> mailing list i suppose. This ain't a love letter to be colorful.
>
:) Yeah, that is what am speaking about. Attitude that a Mailing List need
not be colorful. please consider the population.
'
there has been opinion that *bold* /italics/ _underline_  is irritating. so
I have to continue with it.

>
> [snip]
> >
> > Now if some people want to use Stone age software to read the
> communications
> > which exploits possibility of 21st century protocols and compliant
> > softwares, it absolutely OK for them to. [i havent had a single drop of
> 21st
> > century allopathic medicine in my blood stream for some 6 years]
> Everybody
> > has the right to adopt their ways and declare it, but no right to force
> it.
>
> DONT YOU DARE call my phone stone age.Though it is a low-end nokia
> phone.It _definitely_ compliant to the '''21st century protocols'''.
>
> forgot to say BOLD TEXT is supposed to be shouting.
>
"All correct" is expressed as OK and not 'ok' and i think unless its a file
extension, its RTF and HTML

>
> > Crying out to stop RTF/HTML as such would be a bad idea. Some days ago,
> > 'Kerala Farmer' conducted a survey in this Mailing List, which had
> 'bold's
> > in it. It attracted no irritation to bold_italics_underlines. Because its
> > beautifully done,unlike my ways of RTFing. We can see some very
> productive
> > improvements made to increase the survey's user friendliness there.
>
>
>
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Re: mailing list best practices, again (sigh!) (Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog)

[nishandh M]

On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Rajeev J Sebastian <
rajeev.sebast...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 6:15 PM, nishandh M  wrote:
> > "Why differential emphasis of text?" :  (these are known facts, but needs
> to
> > be elaborated, owing to the solid NO-RTF/HTML cry in the posts):
> >
> > When we make a post considering an extended range of readers,(from the
> busy
> > contributors to --especially-- the newbie user) , we may have to expand a
> > lot. A long post is not preferred in Mailing List, and giving some
> emphasis
> > to relevant part of it makes it easier for the busy men.
> >
> > Ways to asssert emphasis to parts of text:
> > make Bold, Italics, connect with underscore, alter colour, give highlight
> > etc
> > Part of these methods add additional 'text tags' or non readable 'format
> > data' to the paragraph. [a paragraph in terms of text renderers is a
> string
> > of letters, which continues until we press 'enter' key.A new paragraph is
> > born when 'enter' is pressed. Here the paragraph is different from its
> > conventional literary sense.'Shift+Enter' is the right way to make a
> > literary paragraph]
>
> Not sure where you learned this, but in most software pressing Enter
> starts a new paragraph, whereas Shift-Enter simply starts a new line.
> For e.g., OOo 3.1.1 has that behaviour. If you turn on "Non-printing
> characters" in the View menu, you can easily see the Pilcrow at the
> end of paragraphs and a Line Feed character at the end of forced line
> breaks.
>

@ Rajiv  what did you correct? In the last sentance, I overlooked adding
'make up' instead of 'make' .

>
> >
> > Now if some people want to use Stone age software to read the
> communications
> > which exploits possibility of 21st century protocols and compliant
> > softwares, it absolutely OK for them to. [i havent had a single drop of
> 21st
> > century allopathic medicine in my blood stream for some 6 years]
> Everybody
> > has the right to adopt their ways and declare it, but no right to force
> it.
> >
>
> You have been given some options to do this. You could for e.g., write
> a blog post with all the formatting you want, and post a link here to
> the list. Or you can exploit "21st century" or in fact 20th century
> protocols, and include multipart email messages, with a plain text
> version, an RTF version and an HTML version.
>
> As far as you not using modern medical technology, well, you are
> endangering yourself and in some ways, endangering the rest of society
> as well. But you are free to damage your fellow man in any way you
> want.
>
>
> > 
> >
> > Consolidation regarding RTF-HTML / Plain text usage:
> >
> >
> > Do not use any formating which adds additional characters to the original
> > text, which gets displayed in the less-able software systems.
> > As far as I know, BOLD and ITALIC adds no additional visible characters
> in
> > such scenarios. These can be used in a positive way. As it consumes time
> and
> > effort to differentiate parts of text, it would be recommended only at
> > special circumsatnces.
> > Like the following: the posts are very long, but cutting it short
> > compromises readability of non-expert user .
> >
>
> Not sure what you're trying to accomplish here. If it was to establish
> your identity, then hey, you've done it. Now, we all know who
> "nishandh" is and how much he has contributed to making this a sane
> mailing list, especially his contributions in formalizing something
> we've all known for years.
>
> Thank You!
>
> Regards
> Rajeev J Sebastian
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Re: mailing list best practices, again (sigh!) (Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog)

[nishandh M]

@Rajiv and anybody sharing similiar thoughts:

What I am trying to accomplish:

To increase user friendliness, as to increase user base.

I strongly belive, If any piece of software is to be supported by Hardware
vendors, the best way is to increase its market share(user base). And what I
am attempting is not to alter the norms of a developer mailing list for
stupid reasons. I am thinking of ways which would extend this ML to the
'ignorant' and 'idiot' user, because its a 'selling point'. Technology,
running as proof of concept will not push the hardware vendors to write
software for it, nor release SDKs or code.

I am attempting to consolidate on what I could do based on my (low)
capabilities, and which I saw nobody cared much (offcourse, as they could
accomplish better things), and what I enjoy doing. I never claimed it the
biggest contribution to this list. You may consider it, curse it, or
continue at your work based on personal perception of society. I am doing a
'sweepers' job here. And I expect this kind of replies from our society,
which hates the 'low class' jobs, nor the low class job men living a
respected life.

You may read about how 'closed groups' destroy itself.


On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 9:26 PM, Srihari k  wrote:

> On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 9:09 PM, ashik salahudeen 
> wrote:
> > Bipin is right. Just follow what is there at khandalaya.org . I dont
> think
> > we need anything extra here.
>
> +1
>  http://kandalaya.org/guidelines.html is enough. It was there long before.
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Re: [fsug-tvm] A very rough draft on 'User Friendlines' in FLOSS

[nishandh M]

On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 8:41 PM, Srihari k  wrote:

> On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 3:06 AM, nishandh M  wrote:
> >
> > Hiii, a wish list:
> > Classes of linux users:(simplified, please suggest changes..)
> > Developer: (Commited to developing Linux on long term, has pretty good
> > knowledge in trouble shooting, rectifying errors and development)
> > Enthusiast:(Contributing to the development of FLOSS part time.- an IT
> > student, serious enthusiast)
> > Non-techie: Is ready to test and use Linux, at the moment not
> > contributing,and cant handle errors.
> > Wishlist for User friendlines: ( The numbering is not based on priority.
> > Random order)
> > 1) The need for simplifying the language when communicating with Non
> techie
> > class of Linux users.{Bipin kumar}
> >
> > May not always possible, how would we work it out? If a person is busy,
> but
> > can provide a solution in short form, let him do it. Somebody else would
> be
> > ready to elaborate it.(this has to be notified with a 'free to elaborate'
> > tag(?), as some of us may feel reluctant to expand it without adding
> > details,taking it as an unpreferred practice in Mailing list )
>
> Agreed.People are to post solutions (uninstall/install xyz) or post
> commands.The questioner can then ask for further help -" I dont know
> how to uninstall "-then anyone can extend further help ( Well this is
> how it happens most of the time) . What i am trying to tell is
> :Elaboration is neccessary only if the person asking is in do
>
Yups. agreed. Let this guideline be included in the  FSUG home page
guideline.
''If the answers posted to your query are looking difficult, be very free to
ask for an easier way to do it"
Also:
a) "Those posting questions about software problems are requested to provide
as much necessary details as possible"
b) Should we also draft a recommended proforma (a simple one) for those who
post questions?

Draft proforma:

{Distro:, version:, whether updated through net:, software having the
problem and its version,...what else would be necessary? corresponding
hardware information? }
We will make templates for specific categories, which can be posted to the
user in one click. We expect to get it back "filled in the blanks" as far as
he could. The template categories could be i) network issues, ii) Display
issues iii) Mounting issues iv)... like that
This template should also have a simple guideline on how he could find
answers to these.
It can also have a statement : "Please avoid filling in those details where
you are sure, are not necessary to rectify the problem" [a power user may
get mad if he get such a fill_in_the_blanks post back to a query. Most power
users send relevant data in first post]



> 2) RTF will not be used for communications to mailing list. Images will be
> > attached, not embedded in email.{widely supported, Hiran Venugopal,
> Praveen
> > A,Yadu Nand...}
> > 3)Automation of the following tasks: mounting file systems.{widely
> > supported, Praveen, Srihari}
> > 4) Extensive Right click menus [context menus] with the following
> > options:{Praveen A }
> >
> > 4a)Media operations : Format, mount, unmount
> > 4b) File opertations Zip, unzip,
> > 4c)Memmory release
> >
> > 5) Extensive support for the differentially abled {Jinesh KJ..}:
> >
> > 5a) text to speach
> > 5b) Image to speach
> >
> > 6) Unified icons -- Image overlays and text ( A standardization :
> > recommended for ease of learners)
>
> > 7) Extensive interactive tool tips in small, commited windows, which
> > recognizes context[interacting with the programme/OS]. Supported with
> images
> > , audio and video.
> > 8) Special interpreter programme which crawls through settings files (eg:
> > .ini files) and displays information,Displays changeable settings in a
> > graphical manner.
> >
> > Eg: Reads OS Boot order from grub.lst and presents the order in GUI,
> > settings changeable from interface.
> >
> > 9)A clean Linux Uninstallation program, which allows any other existing
> OS
> > to load. No MBR manipulations afterwards should be necessary
> >
> > {from
> http://www.orkut.co.in/Main#CommMsgs?cmm=25416339&tid=5468635254074103253&start=1
> }
> > 10) Extensive fine tuneability of the OS. {Srihari}
> > 11) Add a training multimedia on bug reporting, with very attractive icon
> in
> > boot menu and and Desktop by default.(later be switched off)
>
> Why include in the OS?Anyone capable of reporting a bug(i.e internet
> connectivity) can access the training multimedia from web.
>
Any one cap

Re: [fsug-tvm] Re: [lugj] Fwd: [Lugb_ml] OLPC trip

[nishandh M]

On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 7:17 AM, Abdullah wrote:

> We all are inspired a lot from that trip as it give an immense thought
> to work in a real environment and work for the most deserving.
>
> On 5/12/10, Jaideep Khandelwal  wrote:
> > -- Forwarded message --
> > From: kunal gupta 
> > Date: Wed, May 12, 2010 at 10:45 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Lugb_ml] OLPC trip
> > To: NIKHIL BANSAL 
> > Cc: lugb...@lugb.in
> >
> >
> > congrats manud and team lugb,
> >
> > This is the best possible trip and excursion tour anyone can have in
> which
> > you shared your knowledge with village students. Congrats manud on
> > successful completion of this project on OLPC. +1 to skbohra, this trip
> must
> > be taken as an ideal trip to include in any project involving provision
> of
> > education to village students.
> >
> > Cheers !!
> >
> >
> > On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 10:17 AM, NIKHIL BANSAL  >wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Thanks Manu ,
> >>
> >> Thank you very much for sharing this nice and adventurous experience
> with
> >> all of us. This seems really an interesting experience for everyone who
> >> joined it and obviously nice things to be learnt from there. Hope this
> >> trip
> >> will help LUGB in future all the way.
> >> I can subscribe the wiki work regarding OLPC trip willingly. :)
> >> If anyone else also wants to add, please come forward. Because it would
> be
> >> nice to have two than one. ;)
> >>
> >> Cheers !
> >>
> >>  On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Manu Dixit 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>>  I am feeling great to inform that the Kikarwali trip was a great
> >>> experience for all of us.
> >>> The events :
> >>> May 7 :
> >>>
> >>>- 6 AM Departure from Bikaner to Kikarwali.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>- 12 noon A small introductory meeting with the teaching staff and
> >>>administration authorities of the School.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>-  7 PM Briefing the public and students of Kikarwali about the
> >>>concept of OLPC, XO laptops were shown.
> >>>
> >>> May 8 :
> >>>
> >>>-  7 AM - 12 Noon , First session with the students , teams of 2 to
> 3
> >>>members took the charge of each class,  basics of computers were
> >>> covered
> >>>- Evening : Practical sessions, children were divided into groups of
> 4
> >>>or 5 and were given a XO (due to the limited number of laptops).
> >>>
> >>> May 9 :
> >>>
> >>>- In-spite of a Sunday, some children turned up to the school right
> in
> >>>the morning , more practical sessions , apps like write , paint ,
> >>> speak ,
> >>>camera , wikipedia were covered.
> >>>- A projector was arranged , children were shown some small movie
> and
> >>>some XO stuff.
> >>>- LUGB vs Kikarwali cricket match in the evening.
> >>>
> >>> May 10 :
> >>>
> >>>- 7 AM onwards Children in large number ( from 3 schools ) gathered.
> >>>- Newer ones were shown shown some video about the usage of XO
> (almost
> >>>instantaneously shot by a small cam)
> >>>- Q & A sessions were held , (some toffees were distributed
> >>>meanwhile).
> >>>- An adventurous visit to the India Pakistan border, location: 41
> PS,
> >>>talked to the Inspector Gaurav and saw Pakistan to the closest one
> can
> >>>go.(BEST)
> >>>
> >>> May 11 :
> >>>
> >>>- A group of 3 (Paras, Kartik & Sahil) went to a private school for
> >>>teaching.
> >>>- Local Teachers were taught the basic usage of the XO.
> >>>- Sharing (USP of XO) was the theme of the day.
> >>>- Discussed some issues and views with the authorities on how to
> >>>continue the project.
> >>>- 5 PM returning trip
> >>>
> >>> additional Info
> >>> Head Counts : 200 (approx)
> >>> Schools Covered : 3
> >>> LUGB members (in alphabetical order) :
> >>> Abhinav Chittora
> >>> Chitrapal Singh
> >>> Kartik Manocha
> >>> Manu Dixit
> >>> Nitesh Kumar ( a special mention for our junior, youngest of all )
> >>> Paras Kuhad
> >>> Sahil Kataria
> >>> Vilas Setia
> >>> Virendra Sethiya
> >>>
> >>> The effort was one of the kind in the whole of Rajasthan ( i guess the
> >>> laptops were very first to get distributed in this part -covering 5 to
> 6
> >>> states- of the country)
> >>>
> >>> Finally we need to document the whole information - photos, videos
> ,wiki
> >>> (
> >>> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_India ) so I ask someone to come
> forward
> >>> as some of us would be having exams right away.
> >>> I would say the memories would remain with us for a long long time ,
> >>> people were friendly , reception full on , very intelligent children
> and
> >>> the
> >>> best of the food.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> With Confidence that the project would continue
> >>>  Manu Dixit
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ___
> >>> Lugb_ml mailing list
> >>> lugb...@lugb.in
> >>> http://lugb.in/mailman/listinfo/lugb_ml_lugb.in
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> ___
> >> Lugb_ml mailing list
> >> lugb...@lugb.in
> >> http://lugb.in/mailman/l

Re: [fsug-tvm] A very rough draft on 'User Friendlines' in FLOSS

[nishandh M]

On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Rajiv Nair  wrote:

> @nishandh
>
> For a person who complains quite a bit about un-user friendliness of
> error messages and stuff, your mails are pretty hard to decipher.
>
> I'm referring to lines like
>  - "It didn't negate that it was the rule from the days of billboard"
>  - "would take into consideration some extra automatic adjustments in
> context of sending/recieving equipment's hardware and software
> efficiency"
>
> Jaba? :D
>
> Reminds of an episode in the sit-com FRIENDS where a character
> overuses a thesaurus and writes "They're humid, pre-possessing
> homosapiens with full-sized aortic pumps" instead of "They're warm,
> nice people with big hearts."
>
> Maybe you should read the quote in your own signature once more ;)
>
> Regards,
> Rajiv
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@Rajiv,

Jabaabji :D
(let the word attain a meaning from its context, as the other admin says :)
)
and there is a similiar text in kandalaya.org guideline. but not this much
horsepower.

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Re: mailing list best practices, again (sigh!) (Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog)

[nishandh M]

"Why differential emphasis of text?" :  (these are known facts, but needs to
be elaborated, owing to the solid NO-RTF/HTML cry in the posts):

When we make a post considering an extended range of readers,(from the busy
contributors to --especially-- the newbie user) , we may have to expand a
lot. A long post is not preferred in Mailing List, and giving some emphasis
to relevant part of it makes it easier for the busy men.

Ways to asssert emphasis to parts of text:
make Bold, Italics, connect with underscore, alter colour, give highlight
etc
Part of these methods add additional 'text tags' or non readable 'format
data' to the paragraph. [a paragraph in terms of text renderers is a string
of letters, which continues until we press 'enter' key.A new paragraph is
born when 'enter' is pressed. Here the paragraph is different from its
conventional literary sense.'Shift+Enter' is the right way to make a
literary paragraph]

Now if some people want to use Stone age software to read the communications
which exploits possibility of 21st century protocols and compliant
softwares, it absolutely OK for them to. [i havent had a single drop of 21st
century allopathic medicine in my blood stream for some 6 years] Everybody
has the right to adopt their ways and declare it, but no right to force it.

Crying out to stop RTF/HTML as such would be a bad idea. Some days ago,
'Kerala Farmer' conducted a survey in this Mailing List, which had 'bold's
in it. It attracted no irritation to bold_italics_underlines. Because its
beautifully done,unlike my ways of RTFing. We can see some very productive
improvements made to increase the survey's user friendliness there.



Consolidation regarding RTF-HTML / Plain text usage:


Do not use any formating which adds additional characters to the original
text, which gets displayed in the less-able software systems.
As far as I know, BOLD and ITALIC adds no additional visible characters in
such scenarios. These can be used in a positive way. As it consumes time and
effort to differentiate parts of text, it would be recommended only at
special circumsatnces.
Like the following: the posts are very long, but cutting it short
compromises readability of non-expert user .

-






On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 4:44 AM, nishandh M  wrote:

> Nettiquette guidelines: http://www.rfc1855.net/
>
>
> On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 2:08 AM, nishandh M  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 8:04 AM, ashik salahudeen wrote:
>>
>>> Nishandh , the first link you posted, the one at khandalaya has been
>>> there in the group home page for sometime now :) if you do want to emphasize
>>> then try and use underscores like _this_ . Just make sure that things you
>>> post are in plaintext rather than HTML.
>>>
>> A part of http://kandalaya.org/guidelines.html submitted at our Mailing
>> List home page:  its a great read :D  (warning: men like me also get poked
>> :P)
>>
>> "List Admins typically put their Admin hat on infrequently, but when they
>> do, please listen. If an Admin decides something, it's final. Fini. The End.
>> Tan-tan-taaraa. If you don't like it, start another list of your own, start
>> an underground (or public) movement to get the admin overthrown, or hire a
>> couple of goons to visit him/her at 4am and give him/her a few broken ones.
>> Just do not dispute the decision on the list: it'll probably end up getting
>> you banned for a nice long time."
>>
>> (unauthorized reproduction for the sole purpose of  publicity of source, I
>> think I would be bailed out for that reason).
>>
>> @ Admins, am afraid of Goons, can we settle with a Coke? ;) Oh Nops but
>> Coke is environmental and health hazard, so..mmm...err...Packaged Drinking
>> Water?
>> --
>>
>>
>> #//#
>>   "Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication"
>> Leonardo da Vinci
>>
>> #//#
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: [fsug-tvm] A very rough draft on 'User Friendlines' in FLOSS

[nishandh M]

On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 12:13 PM, ashik salahudeen wrote:

> Of bcourse no top posting when possible. You of all people should know why
> i did it :). Since i dont have broadband and am unable to do anything coz am
> in sick bed, i am emailing from my phone and thats the reason for top
> posting. The gmail app doesnt allow me to remove the text.
>
> I do not normally involve much in the discussions but in this case i need
> to see whats going on. I should he back up with a modem and a broadband
> connection by tomorrow. Until then forgive the top posting. I will keep my
> emails to the minimum till then.
>
> --
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>
> On May 16, 2010 10:57 AM, "sooraj kenoth"  wrote:
>
> @Ashik
>
> I think we following, *No RTF* as well as *No top posting* policy.
>
> Regards:
> Sooraj Kenoth
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Ashik, I did read the entire Kandalaya.org guideline.
By "as of now", I meant 'prevalent at the moment'. It didnt negate that it
was the rule from the days of billboard.
During the days of bill boards, a text either 'long' or 'space consuming'
could 'cloud' a good discussion.
This is further discussed in the other thread in which HTML/RTF text is
specifically discussed.

I had to search for what exactly is "no_top_pasting", for those who are in
my condition,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-posting#Top-posting
explains.
@Ashik,Thanks for taking the effort to reply with the phone.
I think we got another minor but significant bug regarding readability/user
friendliness:
It would be nice, if the mailing service providers, like Gmail, would take
into consideration some extra automatic adjustments in context of
sending/recieving equipment's hardware and software efficiency. This option
should be adjustable by the user.
Let "no_top_posting" be default(automaticaly done when not specified )when
sending from mobile / CLI ?

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Re: [fsug-tvm] Fwd: [smc-discuss] ടക്സ് പെയിന്റിന് മലയാളം മെന ു

[nishandh M]

Hi everybody,Irimpanam School is already applauded for its involvement in
progressive efforts.I remember the mails to ilug-tvm. I wont be able to be
in this specific activity scheduled on 5-8 at the moment. Part of the
activity - Flora of Kerala, coincides with my work. Will be in touch with
everybody in team.

2010/5/16 sooraj kenoth 

> -- കൈമാറിയ സന്ദേശം --
> അയച്ച വ്യക്തി: sanalkumar mr 
> തിയതി: 2010, മേയ് 15 7:25 am
> വിഷയം: [smc-discuss] ടക്സ്​പെയിന്റിന് മലയാളം മെനു
> സ്വീകര്‍ത്താവ്: smc-disc...@googlegroups.com
>
>
> പ്രിയരേ,
>   ഇരുമ്പനം ഹൈസ്കൂളിലെ സ്വതന്ത്രസോഫ്റ്റ്വെയര്‍ കൂട്ടായ്മയിലെ
> അംഗങ്ങളായ കുട്ടികള്‍ (5, 6, 7 ,8 എന്നീ ക്ലാസുകളിലെ കുട്ടികള്‍)
> ടക്സ്പെയിന്റിന്റെ മലയാളവല്ക്കരണത്തിനായി സ്കൂളില്‍ ഒരുമിക്കുന്നു.മെയ്
> 17, 18 തീയതികളിലായാണ്.ടക്സ്പെയിന്റിന്റെ പ്രാദേശികവത്കരണം നടക്കുന്നത്.
> ടക്സ്പെയിന്റില്‍ കേരളത്തിലെ പൂക്കളുടെയും പഴങ്ങളുടെയും ചിത്രങ്ങള്‍
> സ്റ്റാമ്പുകളായി ഉള്‍പ്പെടുത്താനുള്ള ശ്രമവും ഇവര്‍
> നടത്തിയിരുന്നു.ടക്സ്പെയിന്റിന്റെ ലീഡ് ഡെവലപ്പറായ ബില്‍ കെന്റിക്ക്
> കുട്ടികള്‍ രൂപപ്പെടുത്തിയ സ്റ്റാമ്പുകള്‍ വരാനിരിക്കുന്ന പതിപ്പില്‍
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Re: mailing list best practices, again (sigh!) (Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog)

[nishandh M]

Nettiquette guidelines: http://www.rfc1855.net/

On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 2:08 AM, nishandh M  wrote:

>
>
> On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 8:04 AM, ashik salahudeen wrote:
>
>> Nishandh , the first link you posted, the one at khandalaya has been there
>> in the group home page for sometime now :) if you do want to emphasize then
>> try and use underscores like _this_ . Just make sure that things you post
>> are in plaintext rather than HTML.
>>
> A part of http://kandalaya.org/guidelines.html submitted at our Mailing
> List home page:  its a great read :D  (warning: men like me also get poked
> :P)
>
> "List Admins typically put their Admin hat on infrequently, but when they
> do, please listen. If an Admin decides something, it's final. Fini. The End.
> Tan-tan-taaraa. If you don't like it, start another list of your own, start
> an underground (or public) movement to get the admin overthrown, or hire a
> couple of goons to visit him/her at 4am and give him/her a few broken ones.
> Just do not dispute the decision on the list: it'll probably end up getting
> you banned for a nice long time."
>
> (unauthorized reproduction for the sole purpose of  publicity of source, I
> think I would be bailed out for that reason).
>
> @ Admins, am afraid of Goons, can we settle with a Coke? ;) Oh Nops but
> Coke is environmental and health hazard, so..mmm...err...Packaged Drinking
> Water?
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Re: mailing list best practices, again (sigh!) (Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog)

[nishandh M]

On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 8:04 AM, ashik salahudeen  wrote:

> Nishandh , the first link you posted, the one at khandalaya has been there
> in the group home page for sometime now :) if you do want to emphasize then
> try and use underscores like _this_ . Just make sure that things you post
> are in plaintext rather than HTML.
>
A part of http://kandalaya.org/guidelines.html submitted at our Mailing List
home page:  its a great read :D  (warning: men like me also get poked :P)

"List Admins typically put their Admin hat on infrequently, but when they
do, please listen. If an Admin decides something, it's final. Fini. The End.
Tan-tan-taaraa. If you don't like it, start another list of your own, start
an underground (or public) movement to get the admin overthrown, or hire a
couple of goons to visit him/her at 4am and give him/her a few broken ones.
Just do not dispute the decision on the list: it'll probably end up getting
you banned for a nice long time."

(unauthorized reproduction for the sole purpose of  publicity of source, I
think I would be bailed out for that reason).

@ Admins, am afraid of Goons, can we settle with a Coke? ;) Oh Nops but Coke
is environmental and health hazard, so..mmm...err...Packaged Drinking Water?

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Re: [fsug-tvm] A very rough draft on 'User Friendlines' in FLOSS

[nishandh M]

On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 9:41 PM, Hiran Venugopalan wrote:

> On 15 May 2010 03:06, nishandh M  wrote:
>
> > 2) RTF will not be used for communications to mailing list. Images will
> be
> > attached, not embedded in email.{widely supported, Hiran Venugopal,
> Praveen
> > A,Yadu Nand...}
>
> How it become part of  'User Friendlines' in FLOSS ?
> Its just part of mailing list rules.
>
Hi Hiran,
Regarding ilug-tvm, we have approved the No-RTF policy as of now, becuase of
the wide spread opinion from its active contributors.

This issue is addressed here, as we are dealing with Participatory Mode Of
 Userfriendliness-Development. The newbies are supported with efficient
communication platforms, who may opt for better readability. That is not
restricted to ML, as is exemplified by the functionality of the Wiki,
Praveen A has created for us, which would be more readable for  the newbies.
The readability aspects of RTF and other differentialy emphasising
technologies are discussed further in the Thread Dealing with "Mailing List
Best Practices"

Sorry for not being able to express it in comprehension in the rough draft.

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[fsug-tvm] A very rough draft on 'User Friendlines' in FLOSS

[nishandh M]

Hiii, a wish list:

Classes of linux users:(simplified, please suggest changes..)
Developer: (Commited to developing Linux on long term, has pretty good
knowledge in trouble shooting, rectifying errors and development)
Enthusiast:(Contributing to the development of FLOSS part time.- an IT
student, serious enthusiast)
Non-techie: Is ready to test and use Linux, at the moment not
contributing,and cant handle errors.

Wishlist for User friendlines: ( The numbering is not based on priority.
Random order)

1) The need for simplifying the language when communicating with Non techie
class of Linux users.{Bipin kumar}

May not always possible, how would we work it out? If a person is busy, but
can provide a solution in short form, let him do it. Somebody else would be
ready to elaborate it.(this has to be notified with a 'free to elaborate'
tag(?), as some of us may feel reluctant to expand it without adding
details,taking it as an unpreferred practice in Mailing list )


2) RTF will not be used for communications to mailing list. Images will be
attached, not embedded in email.{widely supported, Hiran Venugopal, Praveen
A,Yadu Nand...}

3)Automation of the following tasks: mounting file systems.{widely
supported, Praveen, Srihari}

4) Extensive Right click menus [context menus] with the following
options:{Praveen A }

4a)Media operations : Format, mount, unmount
4b) File opertations Zip, unzip,
4c)Memmory release

5) Extensive support for the differentially abled {Jinesh KJ..}:

5a) text to speach
5b) Image to speach

6) Unified icons -- Image overlays and text ( A standardization :
recommended for ease of learners)

7) Extensive interactive tool tips in small, commited windows, which
recognizes context[interacting with the programme/OS]. Supported with images
, audio and video.

8) Special interpreter programme which crawls through settings files (eg:
.ini files) and displays information,Displays changeable settings in a
graphical manner.

Eg: Reads OS Boot order from grub.lst and presents the order in GUI,
settings changeable from interface.

9)A clean Linux Uninstallation program, which allows any other existing OS
to load. No MBR manipulations afterwards should be necessary
   {from
http://www.orkut.co.in/Main#CommMsgs?cmm=25416339&tid=5468635254074103253&start=1
}

10) Extensive fine tuneability of the OS. {Srihari}

11) Add a training multimedia on bug reporting, with very attractive icon in
boot menu and and Desktop by default.(later be switched off)

12) Best bug reporter gets ice creams, steam engines or missiles.

13) All developers gets ( choices plees... :)  )

14) Boot option includes the following options along with administrator/user

14a) I wanna try it, with all assistance (a short name for it...pls)
14b) Boot next time, discarding all changes made in current login.(let the
user twaek, but not suffer consequences)

15) Let an option be there to release possible OS/backgruond routine process
resources. for a "Game/Video reneder" mode. On single click, and return to
full fledged mode.[inspired by Game mode in antivirus softwares]

16)Constitute a platform to accumulate money, inorder to buy "user
friendliness"patents from the propreitory developers. Cant just pirate on
them and let them go to hell.they have families.

17)I recently saw an image crawler in web, which indexes only CC/GPL images.
Designing  one for forum crawling would be great. i hope its already there.

17a) men should be able to rank discussions, and post consolidations.


18) Narendra Sisodaya has listed a lot of changes, in his SchoolOS project.
like Gobotype Filesystem, and more.

Praveen A has created a project page:
http://www.fosscommunity.in/wiki/If_linux_needs_to_be_adopted_by_desktop_users,_it_needs_to_be_much_more_user_friendly_%28nobody_argues%29
Consolidations will be posted to this page

Shud we restrict the discussion to the potentials of FSUG Tvm only?





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Re: mailing list best practices, again (sigh!) (Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog)

[nishandh M]

4) use the Names of persons, as it is provided by the person.


On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 12:56 AM, nishandh M  wrote:

> Hi ..
> The following references have been put forward by various contributors to
> this mailing list, as a reference to Good practices in communities.
> [We give thrust to internet based community activity. Any guidelines for
> field activity and direct user interaction will not be disregarded]
>
> http://kandalaya.org/guidelines.html {suggested by Bipin Kumar}
>
> http://mashable.com/2009/12/21/must-read-ebooks/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+Mashable+(Mashable)
>  {Ullas
> DL}
> http://artofcommunityonline.org/ {Alan Alan}
>
> According to the discussion,
> 1) RTF should not be used in Mailing list
> 2) Images should not be embedded, either links should be provided or
> attached
> 3) Language should be formal.
>
> Please comment any additional directions / modifications / elaboration
>
> There was a link provided to guideline (a beautiful presentation possibly
> in PDF) somebody posted, associated with translation of manuals into
> Malayalam. It had a consolidation of good language practice. I couldnt find
> it..please post it here if somebody could fetch it...
>
>
> On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 2:54 PM, jinesh kj  wrote:
>
>> hi,
>>
>> On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 1:00 PM, nishandh M  wrote:
>> > I donno about 'mail server GUI client'. I hope you are saying about GUI
>> of
>> > web browsers? One specific doubt which i would be pleased  to get
>> cleared:
>> > if a CLI email client is used, the data corresponding to Rich part of
>> > messages(images/RTF) will not be transfered to and fro?only the text
>> part
>> > and basic formating information will be transferred than? or the GUI
>> details
>> > embedded in the message is the default way at present, and these will be
>> > discarded by the CLI email client?
>>
>> The problem is it will take the rich part(images wont come, it will be
>> shown as additional attachment) and will try to render on its own. I
>> dont know whether all mail clients are like this. But the one i am
>> using is like this. Which finally end up quite difficult to read.
>> Yeah, i was talking about browser front end.
>>
>> regards
>> Jinesh K J
>>
>> --
>> My Feelings,Expressions-
>> http://logbookofanobserver.blogspot.com
>>
>> My scribblings-
>> http://logbookofanobserver.wordpress.com
>>
>> SMC : My computer, My language http://smc.org.in
>> സ്വതന്ത്ര മലയാളം കമ്പ്യൂട്ടിങ്ങ്, എന്റെ കമ്പ്യൂട്ടറിന് എന്റെ ഭാഷ
>>
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Re: mailing list best practices, again (sigh!) (Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog)

[nishandh M]

Hi ..
The following references have been put forward by various contributors to
this mailing list, as a reference to Good practices in communities.
[We give thrust to internet based community activity. Any guidelines for
field activity and direct user interaction will not be disregarded]

http://kandalaya.org/guidelines.html {suggested by Bipin Kumar}
http://mashable.com/2009/12/21/must-read-ebooks/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+Mashable+(Mashable)
{Ullas
DL}
http://artofcommunityonline.org/ {Alan Alan}

According to the discussion,
1) RTF should not be used in Mailing list
2) Images should not be embedded, either links should be provided or
attached
3) Language should be formal.

Please comment any additional directions / modifications / elaboration

There was a link provided to guideline (a beautiful presentation possibly in
PDF) somebody posted, associated with translation of manuals into Malayalam.
It had a consolidation of good language practice. I couldnt find it..please
post it here if somebody could fetch it...


On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 2:54 PM, jinesh kj  wrote:

> hi,
>
> On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 1:00 PM, nishandh M  wrote:
> > I donno about 'mail server GUI client'. I hope you are saying about GUI
> of
> > web browsers? One specific doubt which i would be pleased  to get
> cleared:
> > if a CLI email client is used, the data corresponding to Rich part of
> > messages(images/RTF) will not be transfered to and fro?only the text part
> > and basic formating information will be transferred than? or the GUI
> details
> > embedded in the message is the default way at present, and these will be
> > discarded by the CLI email client?
>
> The problem is it will take the rich part(images wont come, it will be
> shown as additional attachment) and will try to render on its own. I
> dont know whether all mail clients are like this. But the one i am
> using is like this. Which finally end up quite difficult to read.
> Yeah, i was talking about browser front end.
>
> regards
> Jinesh K J
>
> --
> My Feelings,Expressions-
> http://logbookofanobserver.blogspot.com
>
> My scribblings-
> http://logbookofanobserver.wordpress.com
>
> SMC : My computer, My language http://smc.org.in
> സ്വതന്ത്ര മലയാളം കമ്പ്യൂട്ടിങ്ങ്, എന്റെ കമ്പ്യൂട്ടറിന് എന്റെ ഭാഷ
>
> --
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> http://www.ilug-tvm.org
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Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog

[nishandh M]

On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Rajiv Nair  wrote:

> As a "silent" mod who's only "contribution" is to filter spam out of
> the list, this is my take on this entire thread. This is just my
> opinion and should not be attributed to any other moderator.
>
> As moderators we try our maximum to NOT put our "mod" caps on to kick
> and ban people. People in this list are not children and mods are
> definitely not babysitters. We are here to keep this list clean of
> unrelated posts(spam mostly..and we do get LOT of it), not to keep it
> clean of people's opinions.
>
> The objective of putting up various mailing list guidelines are not to
> curb people's freedom to use a colorful font, but to ensure that
> your mail is accessible to EVERYONE irrespective of whether they are
> checking their mail in a browser/phone/emacs/whatever. There might be
> people who access this list with the help of a screen reader because
> they might be visually impaired, in which case all pretty fonts are
> useless to say the least. As the number of people who can read your
> mail increases your chances of getting back a useful reply increases.
>
D r e a m : A text interpreter which differentially accentuates speach,
based on colour and other attributes. Doesnt the blind brothers deserve
better spaech?  And let it even speaks out images. Dont say this is not
easy. we already have smile shutters (TM) In cameras worth just 6000Rs.
Dear, imagine how good a blind brother wud feel when his email says "and
there is a picture of a beautiful lady in the window, smiling at you in blue
dress". It bring tears to eyes.

Comments on blinds perception of blue dress will not be answered until i
study the situation.
A smile shutter recognizes face in a video straem,locks focus and clicks wen
it smiles.

>
> This thread should have turned into a very constructive discussion
> regarding the usability of desktop linux, but instead its just mails
> asking mods to ban person A or B. Grow up!!
>
> Regards,
> Rajiv R Nair
>
> "Every one of us is precious in the cosmic perspective. If a human
> disagrees with you, let him live. In a hundred billion galaxies, you
> will not find another. - Carl Sagan"
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Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog

[nishandh M]

On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Rajeev J Sebastian <
rajeev.sebast...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 12:55 AM, Raj Kamal  wrote:
> > .
> >>
> >> WTF does that mean? If you cannot write English that anyone can
> >> understand, please refrain from writing at all!
> >
> >
> >>
> >> @ Rajeev Sebastian
> >
> > This is a mailing list and dont ever use abusive language. (For those who
> > dont know the meaning of WTF: It stands for What The Fu** )
> > There are hundreds of decent and respectable people in this group.
> > You are the only self proclaimed techie who has n't made an iota of
> > contribution to this group. You haven't answered any of the doubts any
> > newbies. You haven't participated in any of the discussion in a
> constuctive
> > way. You always bully and abuses new comers. Whenever there is a
> > contravercial thread you poke your nose into it with your arrogant and
> > abusive language and turns it into a flame war.
>
> I suppose "RTFM" or "RTFS" would also be abusive to your so-called
> "decent and respectable" people.
>
> Yes, I have not made a single contribution to this group, nor to the
> FLOSS community. I just use Linux and related tools a lot. So what? Is
> this a mailing list only for people who have contributed?

@Rajiv,
Nops. Not all non-contributors get kicked in this list. its me, and more
perfectly you :P. I got it for continuing what is percieved as offensive.
 You know why you got it. You changed the way you use language(a better way
of arguing with logics) for some time in between, but the past is gonna hunt
for some time ,Its a bad(or good?) part of the society. Atleast until we
admit it, it continues.



>
> >>
> >> I request the admin to ban this idiot from the mailing list.
> >
> > Who gave you the right to call a person 'idiot'. Remember again. This is
> a
> > public discussion forum.
> >  A few weeks ago when some people asked permission for archiving the
> posts,
> > you were only person (out of more than 1000+) who objected to that. Was
> not
> > it because you were afraid that your rants and rubbish will be read by
> more
> > people?
>
> No, it was just that
> a) I wanted to assert my copyright on *my own* posts,
> b) since I have not contributed anything useful, it makes no
> difference whatsoever
> c) I don't want people to look for ILUG-TVM posts on some random
> websites; i would rather they come to the ilug-tvm google group, join
> and read the archives and participate.
>
> > I wonder why the list admins and mods keep silent about such harmful
> people
> > in this group. Please act fast and ban such people.
>
> Yes, please ban such abrasive people; while you're at it please also
> ban people who cannot follow basic mailing list customs, etc.
>
> Regards
> Rajeev J Sebastian
>
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Re: [fsug-tvm] Re: Linux haters blog

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On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Rahul Ramesh  wrote:

> A simple question! Which OS would you guys use if Windows and MAC were free
> and open source just like linux distros.
>
GNU/Linux, because of its history. The driving force had been humanity. The
generations yet to come will read history. Let them read something human.

>
> Regards,
> Rahul
>
> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 3:41 PM, nishandh M  wrote:
>
>> @ Praveen, ya. thinking on a survey regarding problems faced, which would
>> be send to some distro developers, who are open to public demands.
>>
>> I appreciate dividing the topic to new posts. I humbly request evrybody to
>> post any further technical replies to the issues discussed in this
>> conversation as different posts.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Praveen A  wrote:
>>
>>> 2010/5/10 Srihari k :
>>> > I have the format option on right click in my ubuntu 9.10 .
>>> >
>>> > It might have come from some other nautilus related  package i
>>> installed.(
>>> > So its already implemented.
>>>
>>> Yes, it came from gnome-disk-utility. I'm also getting the option
>>> after installing this package. But it does not give ntfs option.
>>>
>>> Nishandh,
>>>
>>> Can you file a wishlist bug to add ntfs support?
>>> --
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>>>  What use is a phone call, if you are unable to speak?
>>> (as seen on /.)
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Re: mailing list best practices, again (sigh!) (Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog)

[nishandh M]

@Jinesh, I am understanding the evils of RTF more and more, hope we are
working out the policy of not using RTF.Evevnthough I look like
"thallandammaavaa njan nannavillaha", And some had to spend a little more
time to make it clear for me, as i was not aware of most of these possible
problems.thankful.

On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 12:35 PM, jinesh kj  wrote:

> @nishandh
>
> hi,
>
> I dont know whether you understand the problem or not. Most of the
> times its ok for me since i am using either firefox or evolution to
> read my mails. But occasionally i will end up having only CLI(i think
> many others around here too), but that doesn't mean i shouldn't be
> able to go through e mails, answer or reply queries, or search for
> solutions to fix problems.
>
> I hope you can understand that.
> It is not always a choice for me to have a GUI. Our campus mail server
> gui client is slow many times(so is gmail) which forces me to use CLI.
>
I donno about 'mail server GUI client'. I hope you are saying about GUI of
web browsers? One specific doubt which i would be pleased  to get cleared:
if a CLI email client is used, the data corresponding to Rich part of
messages(images/RTF) will not be transfered to and fro?only the text part
and basic formating information will be transferred than? or the GUI details
embedded in the message is the default way at present, and these will be
discarded by the CLI email client?



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Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog

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On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Praveen A  wrote:

> 2010/5/13 nishandh M :
> > Am repeating some X-th time, unfortunately,
> > The distro gets blame for asking to manually, and wastefully execute an
> > exactly known, working solution to a defined problem.
>
> You agree it worked in a normal case. When you have exceptional cases,
> sometime you need to handle it exceptionally.
>
:D. I am sorry, but i think there is humour in it.

>
> It alerted you to something not normal, if it is a false positive, and
> you can prove it will always be false positive, and you think you have
> a strong case, we can talk to the developers to change this policy.
>
agreed. And when we consider the ignorant user, I think handling the error
in a successive step would be better than alerting about a possible false
positive and make it get done in a not-so-easy way.

>
> You chose to do it anyway, because you thought it is ok, everyone may
> not go ahead. I don't know if you have noticed it, but when you leave
> a secure web page a browser asks you if you want to proceed. You may
> always click proceed after assessing the risks involved and sometimes
> blindly. But it means you take responsibility of whatever happens and
> it was the responsibility of the browser to alert you of a potential
> security problem.
>
> To give a better response, can you provide the suggested mount command?

will try my best, i need some time please.

>


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Re: [fsug-tvm] Ubuntu Necessary Package (Very Useful for Offline Installation)

[nishandh M]

Hi,Great...really helpful ...

On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Vishnu Jyothi  wrote:

> Hello All
>
> Creator  of this Package(Vipin Mathew aka prakreet) requested me to
> make a permanent page in this group,but there was some issue while
> create a page..
> Am Posting the download link of this useful package...
>
> Download Link(Size (91 MB): http://ubuntuone.com/p/2yv/
>
> After downloading check for readme inside package..Hope This will
> solve all your worries
>
>
> Vishnu Jyothi
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Re: mailing list best practices, again (sigh!) (Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog)

[nishandh M]

On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Praveen A  wrote:

> 2010/5/13 nishandh M :
> > Nobody should let another man decide wat he should do. Why shud he follow
> > the ML best prctices?** its some other's decision!. We are dealing with
> > democracy. Make complicate. GAME. See, I do RTF when i am madly feeling
> to
> > express that way, i cant help sometimes.I feel I am compromising
> readability
>
> You are expecting people to reply to you in a mailing list. If you
> don't even care to show basic courtesy, why should anyone respond to
> you?
>
> > ** You say, because I enter the mailing list, i am supposed to follow ALL
> of
> > the draft policies? I am forced to live in it, because it is the only
> > nation. Am adopting NON COOPERATION . I think the lines and arrow
>
> You are welcome, but you will also get non-cooperation in return. I
> don't know how long I will go on responding to you, but when I get fed
> of your non-cooperation, I would start ignoring you. Everyone's
> tolerance level vary, so you may never get a response, when someone
> would have responded to you otherwise. A mailing list is not a court
> room to file your complaints, but a forum to find solutions together,
> and there needs to be a give an take.
>
yes you are right, and what i meant was not entirely against the list, only
against wat i strongly belive is wrong.I also said i am liable to
consequential responses.

>
> > marks used
> > to differentiate conversation are not enough.But i cant ask everybody to
> > spend time on differential emphasis on parts of text. looking for a gmail
> > LAB item which can toggle such a feature on and off. anybody aware of
> such a
> > thing?
>
oops...it surely looks like shouting. :(  I was not very aware of it then,
at that moment.
well am still looking for it, would be a great help if somebody could
share...

>
> Shouting doesn't help much when you are expecting someone to respond
> to you. If you are not comfortable with English, മലയാളത്തില്‍ കൂടുതല്‍
> ഭംഗിയായും ശക്തമായും വിഷയം അവതരിപ്പിയ്ക്കാമെങ്കില്‍ മലയാളത്തിലെഴുതൂ.
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>  What use is a phone call, if you are unable to speak?
> (as seen on /.)
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Re: [fsug-tvm] Re: Need tutorials.

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2009 "openOffice"(malayalam), Nijeesh Raj, TechVidya Publishers Chalapuram,
Calicut. RS 25.
contact : sudhin.techvi...@gmail.com / 09388 388 830
Good read in Malayalam for a newbie.

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>
> @ vineeth kartha Thanks for the knowledge.
> I need to get tutorial as pdf file.Can you send me any if you have it with
> you.
>
> With hope,
> Raru Rv
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Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog

[nishandh M]

@Jemshid,u r right, am really wasting some time. But i think somebody should
 spend time on such views.

Rajivs way is to use truthfull, factual statements embedded with deviating
replies, effecting his intention to let the mailinglist perish without a
direction and policy. His intervention as exhibited in the 'linux haters
blog' post makes me feel like he has some problem with ilugtvm setting its
priorities.
-
@Rajiv, (only) . you did you confirm yourself to the 'not-an angel' thing?
what exactly do you conform to? can you please explain your policy in making
all the above statements?

On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 12:19 AM, Rajeev J Sebastian <
rajeev.sebast...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 12:08 AM, Jemshid KK  wrote:
>> Hi Nishanth,
>> There are certain mails and comments in this mailing list which doesn't
>> deserve an answer.
>> I think it is high time we need to ignore unnecessary subjective emails.
>> There a few mails in the list, which doesn't deserve a reply at all.
>>
>> Lets ignore those mails and just think of meeting our objectives. We want
to
>> make linux user friendly.
>> And there are few developers and techies around who have offered support
and
>> could understand the need (Lets call them angels). We need to tap this
>> opportunity. Let's focus on angels and let's offer the best of our
>> contributions as users, towards meeting the objectives of making the Free
OS
>> better.
>
> Jemshid,
>
> Your email smacks of general ignorance regarding the subject at hand,
> which is what those "undeserving" responders were trying to get into
> your thick skull.
amazing discovery.how did you make out that?and quite an easy piece of
language to understand.see, most of us has a vision and a log term plan in
implementing linux. and most of us know each other personally. we know about
your efforts too, thats why you dint get an F** word back wen you made it.we
know about your contributions in IT sector. but your activity seems errr ...
."
and KK, as he is known, Jemshid, needs no intro. You may inquire about
evolution of FOSS at Calicut, and evolution of alternative platforms of
learning advanced technology at Calicut.try asking somebody about Ascent
engineering community. Ascent is not only Jemshid, many men already out of
it.you may look into share-learn-evo...@googlegroups.com. and Things are yet
to surface.

>
> You say that you ought to work with the "angels" to improve your
> distro. Hopefully, this will be a wake-up call:

who negated the following?
> DUDE, THERE IS ALREADY A WAY FOR YOU TO CONTRIBUTE TO MAKE A
> "USER-FRIENDLY" DISTRO, ALONG WITH DEVELOPERS WHO WANT TO HELP YOU.

U said ther is already *a* way.that is a  Partial truth (RANT).actual
problem: there are *many* ways. *Too many *a ways. That is the problem we
discussed above. Too many 'distros' sprouting everywhere. dispersing
efforts. we spoke about setting priorities in a mailing list [ilug-tvm has a
big potential;so many developers inside;so much activity in the field; 4062
web views in 48 hours)]. are you paid for deviating efforts in setting
priorities in such a mailing list? U would be very welcome at a Microsoft
User Group for the efforts you made in this post.


who negated the following?
> You need to read up on the "Contribute" section of your favorite
> distro's website, or use some of the many established ways in which
> USERS (as opposed to developers) can take part in development. MANY
> MANY FLOSS software projects include NON-DEVELOPERS in their Official
> Teams; guess how they got there.
>
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Re: mailing list best practices, again (sigh!) (Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog)

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On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Praveen A  wrote:

> 2010/5/13 nishandh M :
> > @ praveen, that rendering of text and background is not the exact one i
> made
> > or meant . I made a pale yellow distinguition for two parts of
> conversation
> > in a white background. Somebody called me and said the picture tube
> monitors
> > are already yellowish, so i tried light blue differentiation between 1st
> and
>
> That is exactly the problem with rich text formatting. It won't be the
> same as you think it is going to be. Why would I let you decide what
> theme I chose?
>
Yeah, nobody can force others.
I think opting for 'plain text' in gmail solves the problem.

Enjoying / tolerating common practices would make things easy. communication
is most effective, when the person at both end follows the same protocol.

There are schools with strict dress codes, and there are those without. i
think we go in uniforms, even though we are adults, eventhough we are f*ree
as in freedom.  am fed up of uniforms (to some extent).*
*
*
Nobody should let another man decide wat he should do. Why shud he follow
the ML best prctices?** its some other's decision!. We are dealing with
democracy. Make complicate. GAME. See, I do RTF when i am madly feeling to
express that way, i cant help sometimes.I feel I am compromising readability
for minority practices. I am liable to punishment from head masters of the
school though. Let history decide headmasters where positive or not.

** You say, because I enter the mailing list, i am supposed to follow ALL of
the draft policies? I am forced to live in it, because it is the only
nation. Am adopting NON COOPERATION . I think the lines and arrow marks used
to differentiate conversation are not enough.But i cant ask everybody to
spend time on differential emphasis on parts of text. looking for a gmail
LAB item which can toggle such a feature on and off. anybody aware of such a
thing?



> > 2nd person's opinions.
> > Well I am quite curious how colourfull web pages would get rendered with
> > that theme.
>
> It is email application, I expect text not colorful web pages. You
> browse web, but you read email. If still want to make it colorful with
> images and all, blog about it and post a link.
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Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog

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On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Praveen A  wrote:

> 2010/5/13 nishandh M :
> > @ Praveen, being specific about the problem, it occured when i was
> running
> > on Ubuntu. [at that time I had an 'Almann' virus in my XP, which disabled
> > safe removal of removable media.
>
> So now Ubuntu gets the blame for a virus in Windows as well :)
>
Am repeating some X-th time, unfortunately,
The distro gets blame for asking to *manually, and wastefully* execute an
exactly known, working solution to a defined problem.

>
> > 
> > all th statements you made, I agree.
> > I will try drafting, which will be posted. I think, a rough one in a
> week.
> > ther was a thread initiated, yesterday, reagrding the most fine tuneable
> > distro.
>
> Cool!
>
> > Inspired by Srihari's quote. A distro wich is available as both a
> > developer's tool, and also as desktop users tool.[we have debian and
> ubuntu
> > for the prupose, sharing much of the internals as far as i have read. But
> > the discusion occurs in different forums. need to find more efective
> > bridges.] I tried i could start the discusion there,i think i failed to
> > convey the significance. or there is no significance for that at all,
> some
> > solution is already there, which I am not aware of.
>
> There will be multiple distros, because there are different things
> that people give priorities. The idea is find a distro that fits you.
> I use debian. We can't push our choice of distro on others. We can
> make sure whatever improvements we make is shared with others. It
> happens mostly as everybody pushes changes in upstream.
>
> > 
> > The opinions i raised regarding user friendliness are not my personal,
> > atleast in some cases, either it was from 'my own experiance in the past
> wen
> > i had only one system with no internet connection', or from the
> expressions
> > i gathered in the few hours at an ILUG tvm stall at kannur engg college,
>
> I hope you will come up with a list of those issues which we can work on.
>
> > from the public. I had real internal problem when i adviced Linux OS to
> > people like fruit stall vendors, language teachers and drivers and all.
> As
> > far as i does, i ask them to be familiar with FOSS apps available in Win
> > platform - OOfice, Gimp, Firefox etc, and not the OS as such, and never
> > advice anything more than a dual boot.
>
> That is the first step.
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Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog

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On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 7:08 AM, Subin Sebastian
wrote:

> @Nishandh
>
> i still have the feeling that linux is not going to be user friendly for
>> another forth coming decade.
>>
>
> "Linux is not user-friendly?. It _is_ user-friendly!
> It is not ignorant-friendly and idiot-friendly..."
>

@Sebin, thanks for supporting the view.

Thats a very welcoming statement for a USER!. (the above statement defines
the 'user' as techie, and everybody non techie as idiots / ignorant. That is
an attitude. A destructive attitude)
*Being ignorant friendly and idiot friendly is the best selling point*.  If
the interface and stability is as easy and solid as an ATM system, everybody
uses it,then every Hardware/Software manufacturer start providing
drivers/compatible code.


I wont ask my grandmother to learn code,may be not even to stare onto
monitor for more than 10min. If the interface can be extended to the way
familiar to her,it will work. That would be an achievement. And that wont
make her Idiot. Think of the whole population.Hope nobody answer with an
exception again:an ATM security breach. I refer only of the priorities they
gave while designing the ATM system.


Everything which has been made complex**  are not idot-friendly: whether it
be Kathakali, abstract art.. .. ..and everything idiot friendly ---like
mainstream films--- has won in reach.
**[for valid reasons or just personal perceptions of how things should be]




Just a quote in the last decade on the web from an unknown source... ;-
>

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Re: mailing list best practices, again (sigh!) (Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog)

[nishandh M]

@ Bipinkumar, Praveen, yeah! who the hell did that :P hehehe. he wont do
that again,
provided he get some reponses from those using other colour themes. I have a
perception that majority users use dark text on light background.(wrong?)

@ praveen, that rendering of text and background is not the exact one i made
or meant . I made a pale yellow distinguition for two parts of conversation
in a white background. Somebody called me and said the picture tube monitors
are already yellowish, so i tried light blue differentiation between 1st and
2nd person's opinions.

Well I am quite curious how colourfull web pages would get rendered with
that theme.

On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 12:51 AM, bipin kumar  wrote:

> wow that formatting was one  hell of a overkill 
>
> On May 12, 11:04 pm, Praveen A  wrote:
> > 2010/5/12 nishandh M :
> >
> > > This is just a repetition of the above, with some high lighting. pardon
> for
> > > using RTF, but I would like to get opinion on whether this seems
> offensive.
> >
> > I thought we are already through this. Hell YES, it is offensive. Try
> > reading your mail in this screenshot.
> >
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> >  What use is a phone call, if you are unable to speak?
> > (as seen on /.)
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Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog

[nishandh M]

@ Praveen, being specific about the problem, it occured when i was running
on Ubuntu. [at that time I had an 'Almann' virus in my XP, which disabled
safe removal of removable media. I had to pull HDD off, when i see there is
no active read / write. (every x seconds , some read/write used to be there,
checking whether a system folder is ther on the removable media, and if not
, rite that ystem folder with malicious code inside. The same way most of us
 know, how autorun mal scripts work in win platform)]. there was no visible
corruption of ntfs partition. When these media, which where not safely
removed, are connected to my ubuntu system,It gave a message. A dialoge box,
which contained a command, a long one, which should be pasted/typed to a
terminal.

Then I formated the XP to get rid of the virus. And had to reinstall Linux,
as i dint have access to skilled men in replacing the grub disabled by
windows insatalation. This time I did a LinuxMint, it had no issues with
removable media.I donno know whether it was an advantage of Mint or because
the virus was not there, which prevented "safe removal". Now this "lock"
happned only in the ntfs partition, which was not "safely removed" from
windows. Whenever i was able to kill the virus threads running in XP, I was
able to mount the ntfs.(killing these threads were a strenous game,with
three virus processes running at same time, each getting activted in some
six second interval.once the processes are killed, XP would work normal
untill next reboot.)

Now what i can do to reconstruct the situation is to install the same distro
again, and push an external HDD with ntfs partition and look for the mesage.
I dont remember what the message was.



all th statements you made, I agree.
I will try drafting, which will be posted. I think, a rough one in a week.
ther was a thread initiated, yesterday, reagrding the *most fine tuneable
distro*. Inspired by Srihari's quote. A distro wich is available as both a
developer's tool, and also as desktop users tool.[we have debian and ubuntu
for the prupose, sharing much of the internals as far as i have read. But
the discusion occurs in different forums. need to find more efective
bridges.] I tried i could start the discusion there,i think i failed to
convey the significance. or there is no significance for that at all, some
solution is already there, which I am not aware of.


The opinions i raised regarding user friendliness are not my personal,
atleast in some cases, either it was from 'my own experiance in the past wen
i had only one system with no internet connection', or from the expressions
i gathered in the few hours at an ILUG tvm stall at kannur engg college,
from the public. I had real internal problem when i adviced Linux OS to
people like fruit stall vendors, language teachers and drivers and all. As
far as i does, i ask them to be familiar with FOSS apps available in Win
platform - OOfice, Gimp, Firefox etc, and not the OS as such, and never
advice anything more than a dual boot.



On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 11:48 PM, Praveen A  wrote:

> 2010/5/12 Harish CM :
> > Look at it this way - as a sysadmin I would not want removable media
> (floppy
> > cd/dvd pen drives etc to enter (for fear of contamination of my network)
> or
> > taken away (information security) so much so such devices are disabled -
> and
> > that is precisely where the problem lies. Most of us are worried about
> one's
> > own machine and one is free to do whatever as long as it is standalone.
> Come
> > networking, the scenario changes drastically. DOS/Windows came into being
> in
> > the standalone mode and is good and functional in that environ.
>
> Harish,
>
> As a sysadmin, you are supposed to know all these. But a normal user
> need know about ntfs systems or fstab to get their friends external
> drive to work.
>
> > Also, knowing more is, as far as I am concerned, better than knowing
> nothing
> > - it does it all for you- attitude is good enough as long as it works;
> when
> > it fails one does not know what is to be done - and that is bad
>
> Yes, that is the problem here. We need a mechanism to fix things when
> things break. It could be training or external support.
> --
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>  What use is a phone call, if you are unable to speak?
> (as seen on /.)
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Re: [fsug-tvm] Linux haters blog

[nishandh M]

On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 5:33 AM, Rajeev J Sebastian <
rajeev.sebast...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Nishandh,
>
> It is not my fault that you cannot use Linux. Use what is given to
> you, improve it, do whatever. Just stop ranting. Do something
> constructive. Linux is not non-techies yet, despite what Ubuntu
> marketing has fooled you into believing. Deal with it. Move on.


> I don't come to you *ranting* about Derrida.

No you dont need to,but pls dont use Deconstruction techniques, saying u
recommend to "ban me", and then explaining it as "that was not what i meant"
it puts us to problem. for me, "*no such method *".

> I might take a course in
> that subject (paying teachers to teach me), or I might buy several
> books (pay authors to teach me).
>
We prefer buying from the one with best Corporate social responsibility
policy. And try e-books know? That they dont be at loss of heavy printing
charges, environmental pollution, and avoidance of loss if the printed is
not sold.

> I would certainly not ask anything
> before trying to find out on my own (such as via Google, or
> Wikipedia). I will use the limited resources of the people who make
> all this content available, in the most efficient manner possible.
>
Which you belive is the most efficient manner possible, but I think not.
The paper promisory note   -or currency-   has draw backs. Has no immediate
source infromation. There are easy and destructive ways to make.
http://www.countercurrents.org/curl030510.htm is an alternative, simply came
out in TimeBanking discussion group (not to be adopted here, it has lots of
problems, its just some history which worked out under conditions. But think
of getting to live, when a foreign monopoly from adeveloped nation is
imposing its international rates, without considering national economics of
developing/undeveloped nations. What if a company achieves monopoly with the
aid of patents it filed, and raising the product cost to extremes after it
has become a norm?)

> Linux was not created by people who send rant emails

Who said before?

> - it was created
> by a bunch of people who took what was available, used it despite all
> its shortcomings, and sometimes tried to make it better.
>
> You have stated that you are not willing to help yourself,

Yeah, not willing to learning code. its a disability too.I can make six
posters for Linux by the time i visualise an algorithm with operator
overriding, overloading and things like pointers in C. My brothers do
algorithm for me .

> nor are you
> willing to get help from manuals/blogs/source code, nor are you
> willing to pay someone else to do it for you.

I do pay. I have paid.(i have a genuine Windows vista buisiness edition, and
a win 7 ordered and paid,to be obtained in a week) and I pay for Linux too,
just that it is not in cash. I like the other way more. Looking for
affordable arrangements with FOSS video masters (Ready for cash transact, if
an MOU is achieved).

> Instead, you want a
> forum to post angry, ungrammatical (i.e., difficult to read) emails
> about linux not working for non-techies. You hope for free support but
> then you diss all the people who actually made this stuff for you to
> use.

I dint DISS ALL THE PEOPLE. Where did I? ur attempt to turn programmers
against me?they read everything, not just ur posts. waste time on it.
people get dissed when there is logic in what is said againist them and when
they feel they are responsible for it.

 We never put unknown strange men in bad clothes we meet on streets at gun
point, when they continuously say  F*** words, and utter real illogically.We
try to avoid them. Untill we feel ther is some logic in wat he says, which
others could understand in a wrong way. Untill they are real problem
according to our beliefs.

You say the developers who make this stuff are idiots and aren't
> obviosly thinking about the user.

I feel userfriendliness is not addressed the way it should be. U already
supported this view, saying linux is not upto non-techies. HOW DO I MEAN
THAT ALL PROGRAMMERS ARE IDIOTS?

> Are you sure you're worth responding
> to?
>
dont respond to me. i appreciate responses to the opinions i raise. THEY ARE
SHARED!

>
> Your language has definitely improved;

danks!

> I hope your explorations will
> go deeper than just superficial comments about the state of Linux.
>
I would listen to as far as i can, but deal with userfriendliness issues,
and publicity. You understand it as superficial, I understand it as "could
be superficial but SIGNIFICANT" and Its not just Linux,its everything in
FOSS.

>
> Regards
> Rajeev J Sebastian
>
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