[Inkscape-docs] Website: News plugin revamped
Dear fellow website translators and editors, Martin has spent quite some time on revamping the website's news plugin, to improve the workflow for editors and translators, fix the current bugs which prevented us from editing/translating/creating news, and to make editing the news more comfortable. I really like how it has turned out, but look for yourself! These are the highlights: - News can now be created / edited / translated by accessing an extra menu item in the cms toolbar at the top of the page: It's labelled: "News" ;) (see screenshot) - Excerpts can now contain links, and other formatted content. - The editing interface allows you to use the WYSIWYG editor instead of needing to type in plain html. You can now add links by selecting text, then clicking on the link symbol, and style the text. Images or videos must be inserted via source mode, just like before. - Missing news translations are filled in by their English counterparts There's one known issue, due to a bug in the editor: - double-clicking to edit links will give you a dialog that doesn't allow you to edit anything. It also doesn't allow you to click on any close buttons in the dialog. -> To not loose your changes, just click on 'Save' for the parent dialog, and open it again after that. Instead of double-clicking, you can use one of the following options: - right-click on a link, select 'Edit Link' from the context menu - place the cursor somewhere in the link, then click on the link icon - or, lastly, switch to source mode and edit the http://example.com";>link text element in plain html. And one small inconvenience: After publishing a translation for the first time, you'll get a 404 (page not found) error. You can just remove the wrong (english) slug from the url, and hit enter, then you get to a day archive for your language that shows the article you just translated. Kind regards, Maren -- Transform Data into Opportunity. Accelerate data analysis in your applications with Intel Data Analytics Acceleration Library. Click to learn more. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=278785351&iu=/4140___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-translator] Dead links
Hi Sylvain, Am 28.03.2016 um 23:15 schrieb Sylvain Chiron: > Some links have died in the « Around the Internet » list: > * Baked Babies > * cube hobo web comic > I couldn't find them on the Internet either. Should we remove them? > > Also, ‘PixelPalaces pressents:’, shouldn't it be ‘PixelPalaces > presents:’? (And it's a bit hard to find the comic sometimes.) > > Some sites listed on the same page have moved: > * Modelshop (.com → .fr) > * 17deg.com > * Gatonegro deseño > * Sune Donath > The links should be updated, shouldn't they? - Thanks for checking :) Don't hesitate to fix these, Sylvain. If you do, either tell us all exactly which changes you made, so other languages can be updated by their respective translators, or, if you have the time, you can also just correct / delete the entries in the other languages (for links, this shouldn't pose any language problems). > Also, in this section: > https://inkscape.org/en/contribute/testing/#inkscape-testers > there are three links which lead nowhere. And the questions at the end > are a bit weird. > At the end of the introduction of the page, there was also a paragraph: > ‘? Follow up’; I didn't understand what it meant and I removed it. > This page is probably missing some finalization… - See https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape-web/+bug/1308611 and https://inkscape.org/en/contribute/to-do-list/ If you can find someone who's knowledgeable enough to update the page and willing to do it, that would be great... For contents questions, please always include the docs mailing list, so editors are kept in the loop, too. Kind regards, Maren -- Transform Data into Opportunity. Accelerate data analysis in your applications with Intel Data Analytics Acceleration Library. Click to learn more. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=278785471&iu=/4140 ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Translate the manual
Dear Sylvain, I think for this, you would have to contact Tavmjong Bah directly, as is stated here: http://tavmjong.free.fr/INKSCAPE/MANUAL/html/ For your decision, you need to know that the book is under a proprietary licence, and hasn't been updated for Inkscape 0.91. If you're looking for a collaborative project, there is also this manual: http://en.flossmanuals.net/inkscape/ which is licenced freely, but is also outdated, unfortunately (last edited in 2010, I think). This manual can be improved and translated freely. The website offering to do this has only recently been updated. It seems it's working again now (I tried some months before, but couldn't get an account, yesterday it worked). Also be sure to read up on this topic in the archives of this list to understand the current status a little better (messages by Elisa de Castro Guerra and jazzynico). There's also a French introductory book here: http://fr.flossmanuals.net/initiation-inkscape/_info/ Kind regards, Maren Am 28.03.2016 um 21:47 schrieb Sylvain Chiron: > Hello all, > > I'd like to know how I could translate the most recent version of the > manual /Inkscape: Guide to a Vector Drawing Program/ into French. > I looked at this page: > http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/DocumentationTranslation#User_Manual > Do I need an account on Sourceforge to access the XML document? > I tried to checkout the URL with Subversion and it didn't work. > > Also, the current French translation: > http://tavmjong.free.fr/INKSCAPE/MANUAL/html_fr/index.html > indicates that the last release of the manual is 0.15 (and I think > that's bad). You should replace this number with 0.16. > > Lastly, I hope it will be possible to reuse the previous translation > easily (otherwise, I probably won't take the time to make a nice > translation). > > Thank you in advance, > -- > Sylvain Chiron > > -- > Transform Data into Opportunity. > Accelerate data analysis in your applications with > Intel Data Analytics Acceleration Library. > Click to learn more. > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=278785471&iu=/4140 > ___ > Inkscape-docs mailing list > Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs > -- Transform Data into Opportunity. Accelerate data analysis in your applications with Intel Data Analytics Acceleration Library. Click to learn more. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=278785471&iu=/4140 ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Translate the manual
Hi Brynn, There have been several threads about this over the last few years. Sylvain will need to use the search functionality of the archives (key words: the mentioned names, and 'manual') if he wants to know more about this. Brynn, it's now possible to edit the open manual any time. Just create an account here: http://en.flossmanuals.net and then you can edit this: http://en.flossmanuals.net/inkscape/ Kind regards, Maren Am 29.03.2016 um 01:05 schrieb Brynn: >> Also be sure to read up on this topic in the archives of this list to >> understand the current status a little better (messages by Elisa de >> Castro Guerra and jazzynico). > > Which topic? > > As I've indicated in earlier discussions, I'd be happy to contribute to any > effort in helping to write an open manual :-) > > All best, > brynn > -- > From: "Maren Hachmann" > Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 4:03 PM > To: > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Translate the manual > >> Dear Sylvain, >> >> I think for this, you would have to contact Tavmjong Bah directly, as is >> stated here: http://tavmjong.free.fr/INKSCAPE/MANUAL/html/ >> >> For your decision, you need to know that the book is under a proprietary >> licence, and hasn't been updated for Inkscape 0.91. >> >> If you're looking for a collaborative project, there is also this manual: >> >> http://en.flossmanuals.net/inkscape/ >> >> which is licenced freely, but is also outdated, unfortunately (last >> edited in 2010, I think). >> >> This manual can be improved and translated freely. The website offering >> to do this has only recently been updated. >> >> It seems it's working again now (I tried some months before, but >> couldn't get an account, yesterday it worked). >> >> Also be sure to read up on this topic in the archives of this list to >> understand the current status a little better (messages by Elisa de >> Castro Guerra and jazzynico). >> >> There's also a French introductory book here: >> http://fr.flossmanuals.net/initiation-inkscape/_info/ >> >> Kind regards, >> Maren >> >> Am 28.03.2016 um 21:47 schrieb Sylvain Chiron: >>> Hello all, >>> >>> I'd like to know how I could translate the most recent version of the >>> manual /Inkscape: Guide to a Vector Drawing Program/ into French. >>> I looked at this page: >>> http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/DocumentationTranslation#User_Manual >>> Do I need an account on Sourceforge to access the XML document? >>> I tried to checkout the URL with Subversion and it didn't work. >>> >>> Also, the current French translation: >>> http://tavmjong.free.fr/INKSCAPE/MANUAL/html_fr/index.html >>> indicates that the last release of the manual is 0.15 (and I think >>> that's bad). You should replace this number with 0.16. >>> >>> Lastly, I hope it will be possible to reuse the previous translation >>> easily (otherwise, I probably won't take the time to make a nice >>> translation). >>> >>> Thank you in advance, >>> -- >>> Sylvain Chiron >>> >>> -- >>> Transform Data into Opportunity. >>> Accelerate data analysis in your applications with >>> Intel Data Analytics Acceleration Library. >>> Click to learn more. >>> http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=278785471&iu=/4140 >>> ___ >>> Inkscape-docs mailing list >>> Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs >>> >> >> >> -- >> Transform Data into Opportunity. >> Accelerate data analysis in your applications with >> Intel Data Analytics Acceleration Library. >> Click to learn more. >> http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=278785471&iu=/4140 >> ___ >> Inkscape-docs mailing list >> Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs > > > -- > Transform Data into Opportunity. > Accelerate data analysis in your applications with > Intel Data Analytics Acceleration Library. > Click to learn more. > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=278785471&iu=/4140 > ___ > Inkscape-docs mailing list > Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs > -- Transform Data into Opportunity. Accelerate data analysis in your applications with Intel Data Analytics Acceleration Library. Click to learn more. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=278785471&iu=/4140 ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-translator] Dead links
Magdi Henein, this is a conversation on the Inkscape translators and Inkscape docs mailing list. You received this mail because you are subscribed to one of those. Kind regards, Maren Am 29.03.2016 um 16:25 schrieb magdi henein: > I am not Sylvia. I believe you have send the email to the incorrect person. > > > From: Maren Hachmann > Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 9:27 PM > To: inkscape-transla...@lists.sourceforge.net; Inkscape-Docs > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-translator] Dead links > > Hi Sylvain, > > Am 28.03.2016 um 23:15 schrieb Sylvain Chiron: >> Some links have died in the « Around the Internet » list: >> * Baked Babies >> * cube hobo web comic >> I couldn't find them on the Internet either. Should we remove them? >> >> Also, ‘PixelPalaces pressents:’, shouldn't it be ‘PixelPalaces >> presents:’? (And it's a bit hard to find the comic sometimes.) >> >> Some sites listed on the same page have moved: >> * Modelshop (.com → .fr) >> * 17deg.com >> * Gatonegro deseño >> * Sune Donath >> The links should be updated, shouldn't they? > > - Thanks for checking :) Don't hesitate to fix these, Sylvain. If you > do, either tell us all exactly which changes you made, so other > languages can be updated by their respective translators, or, if you > have the time, you can also just correct / delete the entries in the > other languages (for links, this shouldn't pose any language problems). > >> Also, in this section: >> https://inkscape.org/en/contribute/testing/#inkscape-testers >> there are three links which lead nowhere. And the questions at the end >> are a bit weird. >> At the end of the introduction of the page, there was also a paragraph: >> ‘? Follow up’; I didn't understand what it meant and I removed it. >> This page is probably missing some finalization… > > - See https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape-web/+bug/1308611 and > https://inkscape.org/en/contribute/to-do-list/ > > If you can find someone who's knowledgeable enough to update the page > and willing to do it, that would be great... > > For contents questions, please always include the docs mailing list, so > editors are kept in the loop, too. > > Kind regards, > Maren > > -- > Transform Data into Opportunity. > Accelerate data analysis in your applications with > Intel Data Analytics Acceleration Library. > Click to learn more. > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=278785471&iu=/4140 > ___ > Inkscape-docs mailing list > Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs > -- Transform Data into Opportunity. Accelerate data analysis in your applications with Intel Data Analytics Acceleration Library. Click to learn more. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=278785471&iu=/4140 ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-translator] Dead links
Thanks, Brynn! (forwarding to translators list). The idea about including "If you'd like to see your site listed here, please let us know in a new bug report at launchpad [https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape-web]. Also please notify us when the URL changes or you spot a dead link, so we can keep the page current." is good - go ahead, if you like! Kind regards, Maren Am 29.03.2016 um 04:54 schrieb Brynn: > Ok, here's the rundown, if anyone is interested. > > Removed because either the site is gone, or it's no longer about > Inkscape or SVG or vector graphics: > -- baked babies > -- cube hoboes > -- 17 deg > > For all the others, this page originally came from a wiki page, where > anyone who wanted to join the mailing list, to ask for edit creds, could > get them. So a large percentage of these were posted by the artist > themselves. > > For all the cases where the URL has changed, the artist has provided > redirects, so that the content still shows up. I never would have known > the address had changed, if it hadn't been pointed out. I'm kind of > feeling like if the artist is caring enough, they can ask for the link > to be updated. But I'll change them, if that's what everyone wants. Or > anyone else edit, as well. > > I don't know though. Perhaps since the paradigm has kind of changed, to > where "the website team" is doing the editing, there should be some > mechanism for deciding which sites deserve to be there? > > Maybe something like "If you'd like to see your site listed here, please > contact" at the bottom. Or maybe even at the top? Although that > might have to include "please notify us when the URL changes, so we can > keep the page current". Just a thought? > > For the misspelling of "presents" - it's likely the artist misspelled it > to begin with. I honestly can't remember if I retyped, or simply > copy/pasted (although if I had to guess, I would say I copied it, and > just didn't notice the misspelling). After perusing the site (which is > not easy to navigate and I find very confusing), it appears the SVG > content only appears in the archive. Now he's apparently using videos > to tell the story of his comic. Perhaps it's not even worth keeping, I'm > not sure. Or maybe should just link to the archive? > > Anyway, that's the current situation. > > brynn > > PS - Maren, you can notify translators -- basically just 3 lines to delete. > > -- > From: "Brynn" > Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 5:12 PM > To: "Inkscape-Docs" ; "Maren > Hachmann" > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-translator] Dead links > >> I've been trying to keep this page up to date, ever since I first >> created it >> (from original wiki page) although it probably has been 6 months since my >> last update. I'll fix them asap! >> >> Thanks, >> brynn >> >> -- >> From: "Maren Hachmann" >> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 3:27 PM >> To: ; "Inkscape-Docs" >> >> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-translator] Dead links >> >>> Hi Sylvain, >>> >>> Am 28.03.2016 um 23:15 schrieb Sylvain Chiron: >>>> Some links have died in the « Around the Internet » list: >>>> * Baked Babies >>>> * cube hobo web comic >>>> I couldn't find them on the Internet either. Should we remove them? >>>> >>>> Also, ‘PixelPalaces pressents:’, shouldn't it be ‘PixelPalaces >>>> presents:’? (And it's a bit hard to find the comic sometimes.) >>>> >>>> Some sites listed on the same page have moved: >>>> * Modelshop (.com → .fr) >>>> * 17deg.com >>>> * Gatonegro deseño >>>> * Sune Donath >>>> The links should be updated, shouldn't they? >>> >>> - Thanks for checking :) Don't hesitate to fix these, Sylvain. If you >>> do, either tell us all exactly which changes you made, so other >>> languages can be updated by their respective translators, or, if you >>> have the time, you can also just correct / delete the entries in the >>> other languages (for links, this shouldn't pose any language problems). >>> >>>> Also, in this section: >>>> https://inkscape.org/en/contribute/testing/#inkscape-testers >>>> there are three links which lead nowhere. And the questions at the end >>>>
Re: [Inkscape-docs] report of difficulty uploading to gallery
Am 03.04.2016 um 21:06 schrieb Brynn: > Hi Friends, > Lazur mentioned to me that he's trying to upload a new filter set to > the gallery. If I understand correctly, it won't upload, and the license > area becomes red. I've guessed it's because he needs to use a certain > license for a filter set, but I'm not sure specifically which one. (Also > not sure if that's a correct guess.) He had tried to use Public Domain. > (See the Chatbox on the index page of Inkscape Community, for details.) Hi Brynn, Yes, you're guessing correctly. The valid licences for Inkscape files (i.e. those that potentially could be distributed with the program) are set to GPL, LGPL and AGPL. I'd also have added Public Domain and other free licences - but my question about that topic has probably been lost. I also find it frustrating to upload something, and to have to re-select the file when the licence doesn't match (I think it should at least give feedback on which ones are allowed when submission fails). Would you like to make a bug report for this? (I don't know if that's possible with django forms or if this needs some additional js. The greying out would need AJAX to update the form when you switch the category.) Thanks, Kind regards, Maren > Thanks, > brynn > > > > -- > Transform Data into Opportunity. > Accelerate data analysis in your applications with > Intel Data Analytics Acceleration Library. > Click to learn more. > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=278785471&iu=/4140 > ___ > Inkscape-docs mailing list > Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs > -- Transform Data into Opportunity. Accelerate data analysis in your applications with Intel Data Analytics Acceleration Library. Click to learn more. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=278785471&iu=/4140 ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Code style example + FLOSS manual
Good evening, Sylvain,
Am 03.04.2016 um 23:00 schrieb Sylvain Chiron:
> Hi all,
>
> My work of translating the website into French progresses a lot. Maren:
> German won't dominate much longer (oh, mamamia, you should hurry!).
- I didn't know there was a race.
> On this page, in this section:
> https://inkscape.org/en/develop/coding-style/#file-layout
> I've noticed the last sentence… which is a bit… alone. It requires a
> code example, which I couldn't find. Could someone here add it?
- Seems that was a CMS plugin that was lost along the way.
CMS Pygments plugin - color coded code example.
I've rescued these 4 from my cms backups now, it must have been one of
the following code bits (I think it's the second one, as I remember the
code you're asking about contained Krzysztof's name.)
Could you convert the formatting back to unicode, Sylvain, so it will
look alright and insert as into the correct place?
I don't know where the other three are missing - if you can figure that
out, we can reinsert those into their corresponding places, too.
namespace Inkscape {\r\nnamespace UI {\r\n\r\nSandwich make_sandwich(int
x);\r\nint make_a_mess(float y);\r\n\r
\n} // namespace UI\r\n} // namespace Inkscape\r\n\r\nclass Bunkum\r\n
: public Nonsense\r\n, protected PublicSpeech\r\n{\r\n
public:\r\nBunkum()\r\n: _x(1024)\r\n, _y(42)\r\n
{}\r\nprivate:\r\nvoid _forget();\r\nint _x, _y;\r\
n};\r\n\r\ntemplate \r\nvoid fill_basket(Basket
&b)\r\n{\r\nswitch (a) {\r\ncase 1:\r\ndo_one();\r\
nbreak;\r\n\r\ncase 2:\r\ndo_two();\r\n
break;\r\n\r\ndefault:\r\nbreak;\r\n}\r\n\r\n
for (int i = 0; i < 30; ++i) {\r\nb <<
Inkscape::UI::make_sandwich();\r\n}\r\nreturn b;\r\n}
/** @file\r\n * Selector component (click and rubberband)\r\n *//*\r\n *
Authors:\r\n * Krzysztof Kosi\u0144ski \r\n *\r\n
* Copyright (C) 2009 Authors\r\n * Released under GNU GPL, read the file
'COPYING' for more information\r\n */\r\n\r\n#ifndef
SEEN_UI_TOOL_SELECTOR_H\r\n#define
SEEN_UI_TOOL_SELECTOR_H\r\n\r\n#include \r\n#include
\r\n#include <2geom/rect.h>\r\n#include
\"ui/tool/manipulator.h\"\r\n\r\nclass SPDesktop;\r\nclass
CtrlRect;\r\n\r\nnamespace Inkscape {\r\nnamespace UI {\r\n\r\nclass
SelectorPoint;\r\n\r\nclass Selector : public Manipulator
{\r\npublic:\r\nSelector(SPDesktop *d);\r\nvirtual
~Selector();\r\nvirtual bool event(SPEventContext *, GdkEvent
*);\r\n\r\nsigc::signal signal_area;\r\nsigc::signal signal_point;\r\nprivate:\r\nSelectorPoint
*_dragger;\r\nGeom::Point _start;\r\nCtrlRect *_rubber;\r\n
gulong _connection;\r\nbool _cancel;\r\nfriend class
SelectorPoint;\r\n};\r\n\r\n} // namespace UI\r\n} // namespace
Inkscape\r\n\r\n#endif\r\n\r\n/*\r\n Local Variables:\r\n mode:c++\r\n
c-file-style:\"stroustrup\"\r\n c-file-offsets:((innamespace .
0)(inline-open . 0)(case-label . +))\r\n indent-tabs-mode:nil\r\n
fill-column:99\r\n End:\r\n*/\r\n// vim:
filetype=cpp:expandtab:shiftwidth=4:tabstop=8:softtabstop=4:fileencoding=utf-8:textwidth=99
:
#define SOME_MACRO(x) x\r\nvoid call_global();\r\nunsigned const
IMPORTANT_CONSTANT = 42;\r\n\r\nclass Example {\r\npublic:\r\nvoid
callPublic();\r\nstatic void call_public_static();\r\nint
public_variable;\r\nprotected:\r\nvoid _callProtected();\r\n
static void _call_protected_static();\r\nint
_protected_variable;\r\nprivate:\r\nvoid _callPrivate();\r\n
static void _call_private_static();\r\nint
_private_variable;\r\n};\r\n\r\ntemplate \r\nvoid call_global_template(boost::array const &array);
#define SOME_MACRO(x) x\r\nvoid call_global();\r\nunsigned const
IMPORTANT_CONSTANT = 42;\r\n\r\nclass Example {\r\npublic:\r\nvoid
callPublic();\r\nstatic void call_public_static();\r\nint
public_variable;\r\nprotected:\r\nvoid _callProtected();\r\n
static void _call_protected_static();\r\nint
_protected_variable;\r\nprivate:\r\nvoid _callPrivate();\r\n
static void _call_private_static();\r\nint
_private_variable;\r\n};\r\n\r\ntemplate \r\nvoid call_global_template(boost::array const &array);
Maren
> Also, I see on the TODO-list:
> https://inkscape.org/en/contribute/to-do-list/
> ‘French-to-English translation: A group of French speaking community
> members wrote a new "Introduction to Inkscape" manual. To enable further
> translations, we need an English translation of this user centered
> manual first.’
> I am not a good English speaker or writer (I let you judge) but we could
> do that in two steps: I could start an approximate translation to
> English and someone could then make a real English text of it (ow, what
> a tedious work…).
> Are you okay? Brynn, would you do that?
> (In any case, I think I am a better translator than Google for French ⇒
> English.)
>
> (And thanks for your previous replies to my request; I finally chose
> another manual.)
> Sylvain
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Code style example + FLOSS manual
Sorry, the last one is doubled. It's just three. -- Transform Data into Opportunity. Accelerate data analysis in your applications with Intel Data Analytics Acceleration Library. Click to learn more. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=278785471&iu=/4140 ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] report of difficulty uploading to gallery
Thanks, Martin - I think you've really tackled a big usability issue with this. I've just done some local tests, and will create a bug report with my findings. Kind regards, Maren Am 04.04.2016 um 01:26 schrieb Martin Owens: > Fixing this wasn't easy, but I've committed (not released yet) code that > replaces the License widget with the new FilterSelect widget, this gets > the information about what categories their tied to and passes it to > jquery. A jquery piece then disables options not allowed. > > The message returned to users is also improved, it now says what > licenses are allowed (this is for people with disable js) > > Best Regards, Martin Owens > > On Sun, 2016-04-03 at 22:38 +0200, Maren Hachmann wrote: >> Am 03.04.2016 um 21:06 schrieb Brynn: >>> Hi Friends, >>> Lazur mentioned to me that he's trying to upload a new filter set >>> to >>> the gallery. If I understand correctly, it won't upload, and the license >>> area becomes red. I've guessed it's because he needs to use a certain >>> license for a filter set, but I'm not sure specifically which one. (Also >>> not sure if that's a correct guess.) He had tried to use Public Domain. >>> (See the Chatbox on the index page of Inkscape Community, for details.) >> >> Hi Brynn, >> >> Yes, you're guessing correctly. The valid licences for Inkscape files >> (i.e. those that potentially could be distributed with the program) are >> set to GPL, LGPL and AGPL. >> I'd also have added Public Domain and other free licences - but my >> question about that topic has probably been lost. >> >> I also find it frustrating to upload something, and to have to re-select >> the file when the licence doesn't match (I think it should at least give >> feedback on which ones are allowed when submission fails). >> >> Would you like to make a bug report for this? (I don't know if that's >> possible with django forms or if this needs some additional js. The >> greying out would need AJAX to update the form when you switch the >> category.) >> >> Thanks, >> Kind regards, >> Maren >> >> >>> Thanks, >>> brynn >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Transform Data into Opportunity. >>> Accelerate data analysis in your applications with >>> Intel Data Analytics Acceleration Library. >>> Click to learn more. >>> http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=278785471&iu=/4140 >>> ___ >>> Inkscape-docs mailing list >>> Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs >>> >> >> >> -- >> Transform Data into Opportunity. >> Accelerate data analysis in your applications with >> Intel Data Analytics Acceleration Library. >> Click to learn more. >> http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=278785471&iu=/4140 >> ___ >> Inkscape-docs mailing list >> Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs > > > -- ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Code style example + FLOSS manual
Hi Sylvain,
Am 04.04.2016 um 20:33 schrieb Sylvain Chiron:
>> - Seems that was a CMS plugin that was lost along the way.
>>
>> CMS Pygments plugin - color coded code example.
>> I've rescued these 4 from my cms backups now, it must have been one of
>> the following code bits (I think it's the second one, as I remember the
>> code you're asking about contained Krzysztof's name.)
>
> Yeah, it's certainly this one as it contains the parts evoked in the
> corresponding section.
>
>> Could you convert the formatting back to unicode, Sylvain, so it will
>> look alright and insert as into the correct place?
>
> I don't know how to convert efficiently; I re-formatted at hand with a
> text editor and a Find&Replace tool.
> You mean, insert as ? I did it on the French version.
- Yes, pre makes more sense here than the code tag provided by the
editor. Thanks for putting it in.
>> I don't know where the other three are missing - if you can figure that
>> out, we can reinsert those into their corresponding places, too.
>
> Probably on the same page: they demonstrate other elements of the coding
> style.
> I put the codes on the page:
> https://inkscape.org/fr/developper/style-du-code-source/
> Please check everything's good and copy it to the English version.
- Could you ask the devs on the developers' mailing list about checking?
> The codes look a bit big; we could reduce the font size, or put them in
> a fixed-height block with a scrollbar…
- Our pre CSS is this currently:
pre {
background-color: #f5f5f5;
margin: 0.5ex 0;
padding: 0.5ex 0.5em;
}
You're welcome to improve on it, or create a bug report in inkscape-web,
so we can follow up on this - or you can just style it inline :)
Maybe there's also an option to use a code plugin again, if there exists
one (I couldn't find one yet). The pygments plugin was probably removed
because it was incompatible (as the last release date from 2010 seems to
hint at compatibility issues).
Regards,
Maren
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] FLOSS manual
Just a few quick thoughts: Wouldn't it - if you want to build the real manual, not a newbie guide as could be done by translating the French intro - make sense to extend the existing FLOSS manual? It already gives a strong basis which we could build upon. As a first step, updating it in the most important places could be a goal. Refining could come later. For accessibility, compatibility, and sanity reasons my suggestion would be to go with the book creation software used at flossmanuals. -> It provides an interface that allows anyone to easily update the book. -> It has version (and release) control. -> It can export to different formats, which can come in handy if you need a web version, an ebook version or a pdf. -> Text editing in Inkscape for huge amounts of text is too slow, and it's also not made for this kind of task. Kind regards, Maren Am 09.04.2016 um 17:28 schrieb Brynn: > Hi again, > Sorry, I think I missed the last part of your message, Sylvain. I > get so confused with these inline replies. > Yes, I'd be very happy to help! But what's the plan now? Since the FLOSS manual is now editable, are we looking to that, for the creation of a more step by step (rather than theoretical) open manual? Or are we going to use a translation of the French introduction chapter as a starting point for a new and open manual? >>> >>> This is what I stated: I could translate the French introduction into >>> English and maybe you could make it a better English-ed book. >>> >>> But actually, reading the book, I don't really find what it brings to >>> the reader… It's just a bit more detailed than the tutorials, but not >>> much. And the style or pedagogy aren't magic. >>> > > Since I don't read or understand French, I have no idea, yet, about the > contents or quality of that chapter. Translating a few words here and > there, I have a clue. But not an overall impression yet. > >>> >>> I would rather prefer a theoretical manual, as you're saying, something >>> that needs a bit of skills to be read and understood, but quickly >>> provides interesting information. >>> >>> That's that? What would you like most? >>> -- >>> Sylvain > > While I would prefer a manual which can be helpful to newbies or novices > (because there isn't one, and there already exists a theoretical manual), > the main goal (imho) is to create an open manual which can be maintained by > the community, without waiting months for a single author to update after > upgrades. > > If this new manual that we're discussing will be more theoretical, I still > will be happy to help if I can. I will probably be less useful for the > theoretical stuff. (And certainly for not advanced stuff, like how some > extensions work, for example.) I think my strongest skills are in > simplifying things for newbies. But I'll be glad to help in whatever way I > can. > > Perhaps I could think about making some sort of SVG > file-interactive-newbie-introduction-document, that could ship with > Inkscape? Maybe I'll write up some kind of proposal and submit to the > mailing list for comments and suggestions? Or possibly wiki proposal, > although I tend to get lost writing in the wiki @@. Or maybe I could write > a newbie start guide for this new manual?? Or for the website?? > > But anyway, imho, what's important is that everyone who will be on this > initial, starting manual "team" has a clear understanding what the goal is! > And I think we need to get some clarity about that before we start (except > for the translating). Also perhaps we need to discuss logistics, and what > kind of workflow we'll use, and who will have which jobs or > responsibilities, and etc? And most of all, what form will this new manual > take? Will it be a 2nd floss manual? Or will it be...well no, it won't be > in the wiki, since the wiki is being groomed as a developer's resource only > these days. Will it be SVG documents, PDF download, or what? Could it be > on the website?? > > Also, before that, perhaps we need to put out a mail on devel and user lists > asking for anyone else who might want to volunteer/participate. Although > these messages have been on the Docs list, for everyone to see, perhaps an > invite would be nice, for people who might not be subscribed to the Docs > list. I don't know -- just a thought. > > Don't get me wrong -- I'm not a super-strict disciplinarian about > organization. But we do need to all be "on the same page" (as they say) > before we start. Right? I mean, we can't just start writing willy-nilly, > randomly, can we? Well, we could, but it's probably not the best approach. > > Let me know when you have something translated for me to work on :-) > > All best, > brynn > > -- > From: "Brynn" > Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 8:06 PM > To: "Inkscape
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Thanks!
Am 02.05.2016 um 03:09 schrieb Brynn: > Oopsmaybe only partially fixed? I just saw the new icon beside Message > icon. If I click "My Galleries" the issue is fixed. But if I go to my My > Profile, still not fixed. - Yes, that's a bug which is quite hard to tackle and requires quite a bit of work, involving a large database change for all uploaded files, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape-web/+bug/1574821 Kind regards, Maren > -- > From: "Brynn" > Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2016 7:06 PM > To: "Inkscape-Docs" > Subject: [Inkscape-docs] Thanks! > >> Just wanted to say Thanks! for fixing the SVG display in the InkSpaces! >> >> All best :-D >> >> -- >> Find and fix application performance issues faster with Applications >> Manager >> Applications Manager provides deep performance insights into multiple >> tiers of >> your business applications. It resolves application problems quickly and >> reduces your MTTR. Get your free trial! >> https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/302982198;130105516;z >> ___ >> Inkscape-docs mailing list >> Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs > > > -- > Find and fix application performance issues faster with Applications Manager > Applications Manager provides deep performance insights into multiple tiers of > your business applications. It resolves application problems quickly and > reduces your MTTR. Get your free trial! > https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/302982198;130105516;z > ___ > Inkscape-docs mailing list > Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs > -- Find and fix application performance issues faster with Applications Manager Applications Manager provides deep performance insights into multiple tiers of your business applications. It resolves application problems quickly and reduces your MTTR. Get your free trial! https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/302982198;130105516;z ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] user gallery (InkSpace)
Hi Brynn, you chose the name 'brynn's gallery' yourself when you created that subgallery ;) Would you like me to change the name for that subgallery? It's like a folder inside your main gallery (but the main gallery always shows every file, also those in the subgalleries). > Since it says > "None" underneath the title, does that mean there is going to be a way to > add a description? The 'None' is indeed the empty description, which probably shouldn't show when there isn't one (fix committed). Adding that description is currently not possible via the website (or rather, only possible if you have access to the admin interface). > In the future, will there be a way to change the title, such as > change "brynn's gallery" to "brynn's artwork" (or whatever)? Changing a gallery's name doesn't seem to be possible at the moment (at least not by just clicking around on the website). We could make feature requests for those above two issues (summarized as 'Editing a gallery needs to be implemented'). I think it once was possible, but got lost... > Also that thumbnail doesn't have the correct proportions. It's > distorted. For the distorted thumbnail, we'd need a separate bug report. > How does it decide which image to use for the thumbnail? > I think that's the first image I uploaded - It will go through all the images you uploaded into that gallery and pick the first one that is published, yes. Admins can set an image explicitly. You could add that to the 'Editing a gallery' feature request. > And finally. It's not easy to find this page, and it seems like it > should be more easily accessible. I don't understand why it goes from my > profile (https://inkscape.org/en/~brynn/gallery/brynns-gallery/) where I > have to click on "All Uploads" (https://inkscape.org/en/~brynn/gallery/). > And then from there, click on "brynn's gallery" > (https://inkscape.org/en/~brynn/gallery/brynns-gallery/). > It seems like the Galleries menu (bottom-right of > https://inkscape.org/en/~brynn/gallery/) should be on the profile page. > The Media Category and License menus could go on brynn's gallery page > (https://inkscape.org/en/~brynn/gallery/brynns-gallery/). > I can see how it's helpful to have an "all uploads" page. But > having to click through it, to find the gallery page (or pages), seems > unnecessary. I think the galleries should be linked directly from the > profile. - How would you do that? (in terms of 'where would you like them to show up?) Can you make a mockup? Thanks for the gallery usage feedback! Kind Regards, Maren -- Mobile security can be enabling, not merely restricting. Employees who bring their own devices (BYOD) to work are irked by the imposition of MDM restrictions. Mobile Device Manager Plus allows you to control only the apps on BYO-devices by containerizing them, leaving personal data untouched! https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/304595813;131938128;j ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] user gallery (InkSpace)
LOL, seems we've almost written the same things, Martin :) Maren Am 23.05.2016 um 19:09 schrieb Martin Owens: > Hi Brynn, > >> will there be a way to change the title, such as >> change "brynn's gallery" to "brynn's artwork" (or whatever)? Since >> it says >> "None" underneath the title, does that mean there is going to be a >> way to >> add a description? Or maybe there already is, and I haven't found it >> yet? > > There's supposed to be, but it's not there in the new design. So that's > a bug. > >> How does it decide which image to use for the thumbnail? I >> think >> that's the first image I uploaded. But it would be nice to be able >> to >> choose. Also that thumbnail doesn't have the correct >> proportions. It's >> distorted. > > That's also a bug report. There is a way to select the thumbnail, but > it's not restrictive enough for general use since you can at the moment > pick /any/ work ever uploaded. > >> And finally. It's not easy to find this page, and it seems >> like it >> should be more easily accessible. I don't understand why it goes >> from my >> profile (https://inkscape.org/en/~brynn/gallery/brynns-gallery/) >> where I >> have to click on "All Uploads" >> (https://inkscape.org/en/~brynn/gallery/). > > > >> And then from there, click on "brynn's gallery" >> (https://inkscape.org/en/~brynn/gallery/brynns-gallery/). >> It seems like the Galleries menu (bottom-right of >> https://inkscape.org/en/~brynn/gallery/) should be on the profile >> page. > > How would you lay it out? > >> >> The Media Category and License menus could go on brynn's gallery >> page >> (https://inkscape.org/en/~brynn/gallery/brynns-gallery/). > > I deliberately took out the extra filters for the gallery pages. I want > to make the gallery pages seem less like the normal "all works" pages. > >> I can see how it's helpful to have an "all uploads" >> page. But >> having to click through it, to find the gallery page (or pages), >> seems >> unnecessary. I think the galleries should be linked directly from >> the >> profile. > > This would need a spot of UI work, how would they link, what would the > link look like? > >> Let me know if any of these should be written in a new bug >> report. >> I'll be glad to create one. But otherwise, just having those >> questions >> answered would be much appreciated. > > Thanks brynn, this is a good review of the gallery pages. > > Martin, > > > > -- > Mobile security can be enabling, not merely restricting. Employees who > bring their own devices (BYOD) to work are irked by the imposition of MDM > restrictions. Mobile Device Manager Plus allows you to control only the > apps on BYO-devices by containerizing them, leaving personal data untouched! > https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/304595813;131938128;j > > > > ___ > Inkscape-docs mailing list > Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs > -- Mobile security can be enabling, not merely restricting. Employees who bring their own devices (BYOD) to work are irked by the imposition of MDM restrictions. Mobile Device Manager Plus allows you to control only the apps on BYO-devices by containerizing them, leaving personal data untouched! https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/304595813;131938128;j ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
[Inkscape-docs] New document liberation link
Martin, is the change at https://inkscape.org/en/about/ ready for translation? And while I'm at it: is the new licence page confirmed now? Regards, Maren -- Mobile security can be enabling, not merely restricting. Employees who bring their own devices (BYOD) to work are irked by the imposition of MDM restrictions. Mobile Device Manager Plus allows you to control only the apps on BYO-devices by containerizing them, leaving personal data untouched! https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/304595813;131938128;j ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] New document liberation link
Am 23.05.2016 um 20:37 schrieb Martin Owens: > On Mon, 2016-05-23 at 19:40 +0200, Maren Hachmann wrote: >> Martin, is the change at >> >> https://inkscape.org/en/about/ >> >> ready for translation? >> >> And while I'm at it: is the new licence page confirmed now? > > I'm going to say yes, both are ready for translation. > > Martin, > Thank you - unfortunately, I forgot to ask this : Is it allowed to translate the image? Any licences that apply to it that we need to keep in mind? Is there an editable version of it available? (Their website says it's *not* CC-By-SA - but doesn't state which usage is allowed). Regards, Maren -- Mobile security can be enabling, not merely restricting. Employees who bring their own devices (BYOD) to work are irked by the imposition of MDM restrictions. Mobile Device Manager Plus allows you to control only the apps on BYO-devices by containerizing them, leaving personal data untouched! https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/304595813;131938128;j ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] user gallery (InkSpace)
Am 23.05.2016 um 21:47 schrieb Brynn: > Ok, here's a simple mockup: > > http://inkscapecommunity.com/jd/ss/gal3.png > > Now I'll make the bug reports. Brynn, would you add the mockup in a bug report/feature request, too? (Sorry, I think we weren't clear about that...). On the mailing list, it's much more difficult to keep track of your suggestions, this would make it easier for us to not loose any good info. Kind Regards, Maren > All best, > brynn > > ------ > From: "Maren Hachmann" > Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 11:36 AM > To: > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] user gallery (InkSpace) > >> LOL, seems we've almost written the same things, Martin :) >> >> Maren >> >> Am 23.05.2016 um 19:09 schrieb Martin Owens: >>> Hi Brynn, >>> >>>> will there be a way to change the title, such as >>>> change "brynn's gallery" to "brynn's artwork" (or whatever)? Since >>>> it says >>>> "None" underneath the title, does that mean there is going to be a >>>> way to >>>> add a description? Or maybe there already is, and I haven't found it >>>> yet? >>> >>> There's supposed to be, but it's not there in the new design. So that's >>> a bug. >>> >>>> How does it decide which image to use for the thumbnail? I >>>> think >>>> that's the first image I uploaded. But it would be nice to be able >>>> to >>>> choose. Also that thumbnail doesn't have the correct >>>> proportions. It's >>>> distorted. >>> >>> That's also a bug report. There is a way to select the thumbnail, but >>> it's not restrictive enough for general use since you can at the moment >>> pick /any/ work ever uploaded. >>> >>>> And finally. It's not easy to find this page, and it seems >>>> like it >>>> should be more easily accessible. I don't understand why it goes >>>> from my >>>> profile (https://inkscape.org/en/~brynn/gallery/brynns-gallery/) >>>> where I >>>> have to click on "All Uploads" >>>> (https://inkscape.org/en/~brynn/gallery/). >>> >>> >>> >>>> And then from there, click on "brynn's gallery" >>>> (https://inkscape.org/en/~brynn/gallery/brynns-gallery/). >>>> It seems like the Galleries menu (bottom-right of >>>> https://inkscape.org/en/~brynn/gallery/) should be on the profile >>>> page. >>> >>> How would you lay it out? >>> >>>> >>>> The Media Category and License menus could go on brynn's gallery >>>> page >>>> (https://inkscape.org/en/~brynn/gallery/brynns-gallery/). >>> >>> I deliberately took out the extra filters for the gallery pages. I want >>> to make the gallery pages seem less like the normal "all works" pages. >>> >>>> I can see how it's helpful to have an "all uploads" >>>> page. But >>>> having to click through it, to find the gallery page (or pages), >>>> seems >>>> unnecessary. I think the galleries should be linked directly from >>>> the >>>> profile. >>> >>> This would need a spot of UI work, how would they link, what would the >>> link look like? >>> >>>> Let me know if any of these should be written in a new bug >>>> report. >>>> I'll be glad to create one. But otherwise, just having those >>>> questions >>>> answered would be much appreciated. >>> >>> Thanks brynn, this is a good review of the gallery pages. >>> >>> Martin, >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Mobile security can be enabling, not merely restricting. Employees who >>> bring their own devices (BYOD) to work are irked by the imposition of >>> MDM >>> restrictions. Mobile Device Manager Plus allows you to control only the >>> apps on BYO-devices by containerizing them, leaving personal data >>> untouched! >>> https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/304595813;131938128;j >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>>
Re: [Inkscape-docs] New document liberation link
Am 24.05.2016 um 00:55 schrieb Martin Owens: > Hmm I hadn't thought about that. > > I'm attaching the graphic, we should change it for translations and > then beg for forgiveness/remove their logo if they complain. Thanks for forwarding the image. Couldn't we just ask? The suggested proceeding feels a bit 'the wrong way around'. Who would need to be asked? We could even pass the translations back to them, if they want. Regards, Maren > At least there's no moral issue with a translation. > > Martin, > > On Mon, 2016-05-23 at 23:15 +0200, Maren Hachmann wrote: >> Thank you - unfortunately, I forgot to ask this : >> >> Is it allowed to translate the image? Any licences that apply to it >> that >> we need to keep in mind? Is there an editable version of it >> available? >> >> (Their website says it's *not* CC-By-SA - but doesn't state which >> usage >> is allowed). >> >> Regards, >> Maren -- Mobile security can be enabling, not merely restricting. Employees who bring their own devices (BYOD) to work are irked by the imposition of MDM restrictions. Mobile Device Manager Plus allows you to control only the apps on BYO-devices by containerizing them, leaving personal data untouched! https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/304595813;131938128;j ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest 2016 page
Hi Sylvain, thank you very much for posting your suggestion! Am 27.05.2016 um 02:25 schrieb Sylvain Chiron: > Hi all, > > So I make the suggestion — :). > The English page for the Hackfest 2016 was unpublished - That's weird, my update scanner never had a problem accessing the page, and the page's history doesn't say anything about unpublishing. I hope you didn't find yet another bug... :/ If something like that happens again, please notify the admins, so we can try to find out what's going on. The page wasn't supposed to be inaccessible. , I re-published - Thanks!!! > it without worrying much mainly for these reasons: > * the page was still accessible in other languages; > * that was a dead link in the English navigation menu; - This is worrying me. What happened when you clicked on it? The standard page telling you that it can't be found? > As Maren suggests below, this page should be moved out from the menu (I > never did such an act on the Inkscape website, I don't even know if I > have the rights to do it), - I think you should have the permissions (if it doesn't work, just ping Martin or me to get them). Go to the 'pages' page in the admin interface, and make sure the page is as wide as possible (hope you're using a 16:9 screen, on mine it's really difficult. It doesn't seem to work correctly if I just zoom out - the request for a scrollbar is already reported...). Then click on the check icon in the 'Menu' column near the end to turn it into a 'no entry' sign. and we may publish a general page about the > hackfest instead which would remain permanently accessible. > So first, someone should do the move. - I think it's better to have the replacement ready first. It doesn't need to be on the menu while it's being created, or even be published. > Then, would you like the general page to come alive? I think that would > be a nice thing, as pages from the menu are semantically meant to be > quite static — so we could let a page and add updated information when > needed with links to news articles. Also, donations for the hackfest > seem to remain possible along the year. - That's how I understood it. I hope someone else can confirm? > Consequently, we would need someone to write that page. - Would you like to have a go, Sylvain? Our native speakers (and I, as good as I can) will surely help with proofreading, so you wouldn't need to worry about any 'wrong' phrasing. You could duplicate the current page and take it as a template. I also think an all-year-round hackfest donation page would be nice :) What do the others think? Kind Regards, Maren -- What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports. https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/305295220;132659582;e ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest 2016 page
Am 28.05.2016 um 10:17 schrieb Brynn: > Hi Everyone, >I'm coming late to this discussion, and I'm not sure exactly what > it's about. What problem is trying to be solved? Or new feature created? - No new feature, just talking about creating an all-year-round replacement of the Hackfest donation page, which can be shown when we're not collecting money for a specific hackfest, only for hackfests in general. If Sylvain writes the text, would you as a native speaker help him with proofreading? I'll take care of the menu and page moving when the replacement page is ready. There seems to be some caching involved, and maybe some permissions stuff. I can't test for the permissions on my local development version (and there's no staging area anymore, where we could try things like these out...). Does anyone have any objections against this proposed page? Kind Regards, Maren > Thanks, > brynn > > -- > From: "Sylvain Chiron" > Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 8:43 PM > To: > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest 2016 page > >> Le 27/05/2016 à 04:08, Maren Hachmann a écrit : >>> - That's weird, my update scanner never had a problem accessing the >>> page, and the page's history doesn't say anything about unpublishing. >>> I hope you didn't find yet another bug... :/ >>> >>> If something like that happens again, please notify the admins, so we >>> can try to find out what's going on. The page wasn't supposed to be >>> inaccessible. >> >> I'm so sorry… >> I looked at the pages on the admin interface, and saw a gray disc for >> the Hackfest page in English. >> I launched another browser for fresh user data (I always clear >> everything at closing, I'm crazy), and went on inkscape.org, selected >> English, then the Hackfest menu item. I got the 404 page. >> >>> - Thanks!!! >> >> No more 404. >> >>> - I think you should have the permissions (if it doesn't work, just ping >>> Martin or me to get them). >>> >>> Go to the 'pages' page in the admin interface, and make sure the page is >>> as wide as possible (hope you're using a 16:9 screen, on mine it's >>> really difficult. It doesn't seem to work correctly if I just zoom out - >>> the request for a scrollbar is already reported...). Then click on the >>> check icon in the 'Menu' column near the end to turn it into a 'no >>> entry' sign. >> >> I have two screens, 16:9 and 16:10. 3600 pixels from the left to the >> right of my computer desktop. >> I clicked and got the ‘no entry’ sign (a minus sign). But then, nothing… >> the menu entry is still there. >> >>> and we may publish a general page about the >>>> hackfest instead which would remain permanently accessible. >>>> So first, someone should do the move. >>> >>> - I think it's better to have the replacement ready first. It doesn't >>> need to be on the menu while it's being created, or even be published. >> >> The move I referred to is to put the Hackfest 2016 page out of the menu, >> then out of the ‘Home’ page node, as the Hackfest 2016 page is. >> Actually… I can do that move, that's just a drag'n'drop. But the menu >> entry is still here (and it appears next to ‘Support us’ after the move, >> so I reverted — and the server needs a long time to update its cache, it >> makes me afraid)… >> >>>> Consequently, we would need someone to write that page. >>> >>> - Would you like to have a go, Sylvain? Our native speakers (and I, as >>> good as I can) will surely help with proofreading, so you wouldn't need >>> to worry about any 'wrong' phrasing. You could duplicate the current >>> page and take it as a template. >> >> Ow, that's already so hard to write an e-mail in English and trying to >> appear as a credible translator… I'm fluent at reading English but it's >> hard to bear those moments when I'm stuck because I know I can't express >> something correctly. Hard life. >> I may try this weekend if nobody else takes the task. >> -- >> Sylvain >> >> -- >> >> What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and >> traffic >> patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and >> protocols are >> consum
Re: [Inkscape-docs] New document liberation link
Am 29.05.2016 um 20:01 schrieb Sylvain Chiron: > So, should we translate the graphic? I didn't receive its source. > > Sylvain I don't recommend doing this, as the copyright status of the graphic remains unclear. Kind Regards, Maren > Le 24/05/2016 à 01:13, Maren Hachmann a écrit : >> Am 24.05.2016 um 00:55 schrieb Martin Owens: >>> Hmm I hadn't thought about that. >>> >>> I'm attaching the graphic, we should change it for translations and >>> then beg for forgiveness/remove their logo if they complain. >> >> Thanks for forwarding the image. >> >> Couldn't we just ask? The suggested proceeding feels a bit 'the wrong >> way around'. Who would need to be asked? We could even pass the >> translations back to them, if they want. >> >> Regards, >> Maren >> >>> At least there's no moral issue with a translation. >>> >>> Martin, >>> >>> On Mon, 2016-05-23 at 23:15 +0200, Maren Hachmann wrote: >>>> Thank you - unfortunately, I forgot to ask this : >>>> >>>> Is it allowed to translate the image? Any licences that apply to it >>>> that >>>> we need to keep in mind? Is there an editable version of it >>>> available? >>>> >>>> (Their website says it's *not* CC-By-SA - but doesn't state which >>>> usage >>>> is allowed). >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Maren >> >> >> -- >> Mobile security can be enabling, not merely restricting. Employees who >> bring their own devices (BYOD) to work are irked by the imposition of MDM >> restrictions. Mobile Device Manager Plus allows you to control only the >> apps on BYO-devices by containerizing them, leaving personal data untouched! >> https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/304595813;131938128;j >> ___ >> Inkscape-docs mailing list >> Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs >> > > -- > What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic > patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are > consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, > J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity > planning reports. https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/305295220;132659582;e > ___ > Inkscape-docs mailing list > Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs > -- What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports. https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/305295220;132659582;e ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest page
Great, thank you, Sylvain!
A few suggestions:
- Maybe it's better to use plural in the heading and at the bottom,
where it says 'can attend the hackfest'? Same goes for the text at the
bottom that tells us about what the money will be used for when there's
more than needed for the hackfest - needs to be adapted.
- neither the number of days a hackfest lasts, its co-location with LGM
or that it only happens once a year are fixed. There have been
discussions going on about changing any of them, so we should leave
those concrete data points out, and use something more general ('some
days', and for the location, maybe leave that out entirely).
Would you put those in, Sylvain?
Brynn (and everyone else), anything else we'd need to make it nicer?
Kind Regards,
Maren
Am 30.05.2016 um 22:59 schrieb Sylvain Chiron:
> OK, here is a draft for the general page about the Hackfest:
> https://inkscape.org/en/support-us/hackfest/?edit
> (Note that you must be connected to see it.)
>
> I barely wrote anything actually; mostly removed what was specific to
> this year and moved the sentences for something more generic. I only
> added two sentences with a list in the middle.
>
> Is it enough? I edited the French page symmetrically.
>
> Sylvain
>
> Le 30/05/2016 à 04:48, Brynn a écrit :
>> Oh ok. Yeah, that seems like a good idea. Where would this new page live?
>>
>> Yes, I can help with proofing.
>>
>> Idea (fwiw)
>> What about keeping kind of a Hackfest History on this page? Nothing fancy.
>> Just say when and where, how many hackers. I like the idea of telling users
>> which issues were worked on. Although in a different message thread, Martin
>> didn't think it was necessary. For me, I think it could help drive
>> donations, if users can see what kind of work was being done. It could be
>> very simplistic description.
>>
>> All best,
>> brynn
>>
>> --
>> From: "Maren Hachmann"
>> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 9:04 AM
>> To: "Brynn" ; ;
>> "Sylvain Chiron"
>> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest 2016 page
>>
>>> Am 28.05.2016 um 10:17 schrieb Brynn:
>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>>I'm coming late to this discussion, and I'm not sure exactly what
>>>> it's about. What problem is trying to be solved? Or new feature
>>>> created?
>>>
>>> - No new feature, just talking about creating an all-year-round
>>> replacement of the Hackfest donation page, which can be shown when we're
>>> not collecting money for a specific hackfest, only for hackfests in
>>> general.
>>>
>>> If Sylvain writes the text, would you as a native speaker help him with
>>> proofreading?
>>>
>>> I'll take care of the menu and page moving when the replacement page is
>>> ready.
>>>
>>> There seems to be some caching involved, and maybe some permissions
>>> stuff. I can't test for the permissions on my local development version
>>> (and there's no staging area anymore, where we could try things like
>>> these out...).
>>>
>>> Does anyone have any objections against this proposed page?
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>> Maren
>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> brynn
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> From: "Sylvain Chiron"
>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 8:43 PM
>>>> To:
>>>> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest 2016 page
>>>>
>>>>> Le 27/05/2016 à 04:08, Maren Hachmann a écrit :
>>>>>> - That's weird, my update scanner never had a problem accessing the
>>>>>> page, and the page's history doesn't say anything about unpublishing.
>>>>>> I hope you didn't find yet another bug... :/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If something like that happens again, please notify the admins, so we
>>>>>> can try to find out what's going on. The page wasn't supposed to be
>>>>>> inaccessible.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm so sorry…
>>>>> I looked at the pages on the admin interface, and saw a gray disc for
>>>>> the Hackfest page in English.
>>>>> I launched another browser for fresh user data (I always clear
>>>>> everything at closing, I'm crazy), and went on inkscape.org, selected
>>>>> English, then t
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest page
Am 31.05.2016 um 03:49 schrieb Sylvain Chiron: > Yes, changes applied. - Thank you, Sylvain! I've updated the bottom paragraph about where the money goes when it's not needed for hackfests, so in case the board decides we do not need a separate 'box' for hackfest money, it remains all clear to the users what their money will be used for. > Note that on this page (we should remember to edit it too): > https://inkscape.org/en/support-us/ > the hackfest is introduced as an annual event. - Yes, we'll also need to update the link on that page. @Brynn: would you have a look when you can and tell us if you would like to see any changes to that page? Thanks everyone! Kind Regards, Maren -- What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports. https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/305295220;132659582;e ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest page
Am 31.05.2016 um 22:31 schrieb Martin Owens: > On Tue, 2016-05-31 at 22:17 +0200, Sylvain Chiron wrote: >> I have this existential question which pollutes my mind since I >> started >> translation in the Inkscape project: is it so common to write two >> spaces >> between a full stop/period and the sentence that follows in English >> prose? Or is it the fault of shaking fingers with the use of the >> ‘double-space becomes period then space’ feature with a mobile touch >> keyboard? I often saw those two spaces on the Inkscape website, >> enough >> to be able to think it can be a wished rule. What is the reason? > > Unless you insert a no-breaking-space ( ) into the document, all > spaces in html are counted as one space. The wysiwyg editor is the only > thing capable of inserting anything more. > > Rule wise, two spaces are not needed, we can always recode two spaces > formatting via code we want it later. A single space should be enough. > > Martin, > The rule stems from old type-writer times, and some of our editors used type-writers before they used computers. It's just a matter of taste, and it's not necessary to remove the double spaces. Just write your new contents as you would normally do. Kind Regards, Maren > -- > What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic > patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are > consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, > J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity > planning reports. https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/305295220;132659582;e > > > > ___ > Inkscape-docs mailing list > Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs > -- What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports. https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/305295220;132659582;e ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest page
Am 31.05.2016 um 22:17 schrieb Sylvain Chiron: > Le 31/05/2016 à 19:14, Maren Hachmann a écrit : >> Am 31.05.2016 um 03:49 schrieb Sylvain Chiron: >>> Note that on this page (we should remember to edit it too): >>> https://inkscape.org/en/support-us/ >>> the hackfest is introduced as an annual event. >> >> - Yes, we'll also need to update the link on that page. > > I suggest a new text about the hackfests on this page: > https://inkscape.org/en/support-us/?edit - Looks fine, thank you, Sylvain. I've edited it a tiny bit to make it a bit more 'personal'. I think when our native speaker(s) has (have) taken a look, both pages can be published. Regards, Maren -- What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports. https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/305295220;132659582;e ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest page
@Brynn: It's these two pages: https://inkscape.org/en/support-us/?edit (or get there via the menu: Support us, then switch to edit mode) https://inkscape.org/en/support-us/hackfests/?edit (or get there via the 'Pages' overview in the admin interface, in Home -> Support Us -> Hackfests, then click on the 'eye' icon in the corresponding row) Kind Regards, Maren Am 31.05.2016 um 22:57 schrieb Brynn: > I tried to look at the page, but I only get Page Not Found. Yes, I'm > logged in. > > Those from my generation see a double-space after a period to be correct > punctuation. However, those who invented computers thought they could > get by without it. And so that very simple step, which makes reading > large chunks of text much, much easier, is lost from the world. > > I think it's actually considered to be a bug in django that the 2nd > space is created. Most of the rest of the internet ignores it. > > I actually type the double-space automatically (old dogs and new tricks, > you know). But I'm pretty sure Maren has scoured the entire website, an > eliminated any double-spaces. Where do you see them? > > All best, > brynn > > -- > From: "Sylvain Chiron" > Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 2:17 PM > To: > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest page > >> Le 31/05/2016 à 19:14, Maren Hachmann a écrit : >>> Am 31.05.2016 um 03:49 schrieb Sylvain Chiron: >>>> Note that on this page (we should remember to edit it too): >>>> https://inkscape.org/en/support-us/ >>>> the hackfest is introduced as an annual event. >>> >>> - Yes, we'll also need to update the link on that page. >> >> I suggest a new text about the hackfests on this page: >> https://inkscape.org/en/support-us/?edit >> >> I have this existential question which pollutes my mind since I started >> translation in the Inkscape project: is it so common to write two spaces >> between a full stop/period and the sentence that follows in English >> prose? Or is it the fault of shaking fingers with the use of the >> ‘double-space becomes period then space’ feature with a mobile touch >> keyboard? I often saw those two spaces on the Inkscape website, enough >> to be able to think it can be a wished rule. What is the reason? >> >>> @Brynn: would you have a look when you can and tell us if you would like >>> to see any changes to that page? >> -- >> Sylvain >> >> -- >> >> What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and >> traffic >> patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and >> protocols are >> consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, >> J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity >> planning reports. >> https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/305295220;132659582;e >> ___ >> Inkscape-docs mailing list >> Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs >> > -- What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports. https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/305295220;132659582;e ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest page
Hi Brynn, Am 01.06.2016 um 07:16 schrieb Brynn: > What happens when it's time for the next Hackfest? Will this page go back > into the menu? I'm confused. - The page can be unpublished or moved, and we can make one for the currently active Hackfest. And after that's over, we can dig the general page out again and have it generate some donations (hopefully). Or if the board decides it's not needed, we'll just take it out completely. > In any case, I don't see any problems on that page. Everything looks good. - Thank you for reviewing, Brynn! @Sylvain: Thanks for helping with the website updates! I'm going to publish them both now and inform translators of the change. Kind Regards, Maren > All best, > brynn > > -- > From: "Sylvain Chiron" > Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 2:59 PM > To: > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest page > >> OK, here is a draft for the general page about the Hackfest: >> https://inkscape.org/en/support-us/hackfest/?edit >> (Note that you must be connected to see it.) >> >> I barely wrote anything actually; mostly removed what was specific to >> this year and moved the sentences for something more generic. I only >> added two sentences with a list in the middle. >> >> Is it enough? I edited the French page symmetrically. >> >> Sylvain >> >> Le 30/05/2016 à 04:48, Brynn a écrit : >>> Oh ok. Yeah, that seems like a good idea. Where would this new page >>> live? >>> >>> Yes, I can help with proofing. >>> >>> Idea (fwiw) >>> What about keeping kind of a Hackfest History on this page? Nothing >>> fancy. >>> Just say when and where, how many hackers. I like the idea of telling >>> users >>> which issues were worked on. Although in a different message thread, >>> Martin >>> didn't think it was necessary. For me, I think it could help drive >>> donations, if users can see what kind of work was being done. It could >>> be >>> very simplistic description. >>> >>> All best, >>> brynn >>> >>> -- >>> From: "Maren Hachmann" >>> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 9:04 AM >>> To: "Brynn" ; ; >>> "Sylvain Chiron" >>> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest 2016 page >>> >>>> Am 28.05.2016 um 10:17 schrieb Brynn: >>>>> Hi Everyone, >>>>>I'm coming late to this discussion, and I'm not sure exactly >>>>> what >>>>> it's about. What problem is trying to be solved? Or new feature >>>>> created? >>>> >>>> - No new feature, just talking about creating an all-year-round >>>> replacement of the Hackfest donation page, which can be shown when we're >>>> not collecting money for a specific hackfest, only for hackfests in >>>> general. >>>> >>>> If Sylvain writes the text, would you as a native speaker help him with >>>> proofreading? >>>> >>>> I'll take care of the menu and page moving when the replacement page is >>>> ready. >>>> >>>> There seems to be some caching involved, and maybe some permissions >>>> stuff. I can't test for the permissions on my local development version >>>> (and there's no staging area anymore, where we could try things like >>>> these out...). >>>> >>>> Does anyone have any objections against this proposed page? >>>> >>>> Kind Regards, >>>> Maren >>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> brynn >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> From: "Sylvain Chiron" >>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 8:43 PM >>>>> To: >>>>> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest 2016 page >>>>> >>>>>> Le 27/05/2016 à 04:08, Maren Hachmann a écrit : >>>>>>> - That's weird, my update scanner never had a problem accessing the >>>>>>> page, and the page's history doesn't say anything about unpublishing. >>>>>>> I hope you didn't find yet another bug... :/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If something like that happens again, please notify the admins, so we >>>>>>> can try to find out
[Inkscape-docs] inkscape-docs / website: updated automatically?
@Martin: Are the docs on the website still updated automatically? I seem to remember that last time, changes that Nicolas made were applied to the live server rather quickly, but this time it's taking longer than expected (> 24 hours). For checking: This page https://inkscape.org/en/doc/devel/translations-statistics-trunk.html is supposed to contain dates newer than 2016-03-20. Would be good to have it updated (automatically?) so the translators have a good overview over where their work is needed. If updating them requires a manual intervention (either because the automatical update doesn't work, or because it never was automated), would you maybe take a look, please? (or who knows, maybe it's that overeager caching again?) Kind Regards, Maren -- What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports. https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/305295220;132659582;e ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Language Redirect
Thanks, Martin, for investigating the speed issues. While it's unfortunate that the consequences consist of removing functionality (the 'I favourited this item' frames are gone, too, I think because they ate too many resources), I agree that it's more important that we are able to edit and view the site within a reasonable amount of time. People will hopefully discover the language switcher easily (but I think many will just go with the English page now). I will create that bug report just to remind us that the functionality was lost, in case there's some server resource improvement or other thing that frees up resources so we can put that back in. Regards, Maren Am 01.06.2016 um 21:04 schrieb Martin Owens: > I've put in a 302 redirect into nginx on the website to tell it to > redirect anyone going to inkscape.org/ to inkscape.org/en/ if you > notice that the website is now always going to english on this page, > that is intended. > > The background to this is that 20% of the webserver's resources were > being used redirecting people from / to their language of choice like > /de/ or /fr/ and the code and the database queries were /really/ very > bad. > > Despite the loss in automatic language redirection for the landing > page, please open a bug report in lp:inkscape-web if you need this > feature. It'll take a while to write something that isn't quite so > demanding on the resources of the machine. > > You should notice a slight speed improvement on the website. > > Martin Owens -- What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports. https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/305295220;132659582;e ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest page
Hi Sylvain, Am 01.06.2016 um 22:50 schrieb Sylvain Chiron: >> - The page can be unpublished or moved, and we can make one for the >> currently active Hackfest. And after that's over, we can dig the general >> page out again and have it generate some donations (hopefully). >> Or if the board decides it's not needed, we'll just take it out completely. > > I wasn't seeing it like that… My idea, when the next hackfest is coming, > was simply to keep the general page, and to add an updated sentence > telling ‘Next hackfest will be ………’, with a link to a news article > giving more details, and possibly a link to the wiki if the news article > does not itself contain such a link. - That would be a viable option, too. > Talking about the wiki, I wanted to link to it when writing the page > about the hackfests, but all pages concerning them were linked to a > specific year; there was no general one. Not even a Category:Hackfests > (which I can't create myself since I haven't got an account on the wiki > yet). It would be useful at least for the part ’You may consider > attending yourself?’ - I think we can skip that part, as it is already a part of the year-specific Hackfest page (or we can insert into the Hackfest*s* page). It's fine as it is right now. Kind Regards, Maren -- What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports. https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/305295220;132659582;e ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest page
Dear Brynn and Sylvain, Am 02.06.2016 um 23:43 schrieb Sylvain Chiron: > Le 02/06/2016 à 18:50, Brynn a écrit : >> Well yeah, there might be an extra space at "project. In this way" >> Maybe she gave up on it? - I didn't give up on it, I just accepted it as a fact of life that styles may be different. It might have taken me some time and I apologize for that, but ultimately, the only thing that matters to me is that we have good, reliable, correct information on the website and that it is readable and understandable, and also that there are people who will enjoy taking care of this. > A problem is: when I erase one of this spaces, the remaining one is > often a no-break space… - Sylvain, I think in that case, to avoid any collateral damage (sentences no longer flowing or flowing out of the frame), it may be advisable to use search and replace in the source code of the pages. > I was used to fully masculine teams in computer projects so > having a woman as a team leader is a nice thing. - Well, thanks for that, and sorry for the lack of diversity in your projects. I personally expect my gender to not make any difference here, and to not be a topic for the documentation mailing list. > I think the star on this page means ‘leader’: > https://inkscape.org/en/*translator - It means 'Admin', which is a term that in my view describes someone with a specific set of responsibilities, just like any other team member has. Regards, Maren -- What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports. https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/305295220;132659582;e ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Questions concerning the website's content
Hi Sylvain, Am 03.06.2016 um 01:07 schrieb Sylvain Chiron: > 1. For more space and better reading, headings (h2) are often preceded > by an empty paragraph, - as suggested by Martin, feel free to fix this. As you're still making your first commits to the repo, for any bigger changes than this simple CSS fix, please make a branch and a merge request, so we can share some feedback. If you do make this change, it would help if you could also take some time to remove (at least a few of) the paragraphs when the fix has been released, so the pages will not look weird due to huge gaps between the headings and the following texts. > 2. It is quite hard to find the part we want when editing the FAQ; could > we subdivide the only text plugin in several text plugins, one for each > section? - That's an option. Before we continue to discuss if it is to be implemented, please research if those plugins must then also be added to all translations. It may be that missing plugins will automatically be substituted by their English counterparts (I think due to a bug in current django, this does not happen, but as soon as they fix the bug, there could be a problem - there was something about this in their bug tracker, I seem to remember). I could imagine splitting the FAQ into its major 7 sections, but having a single one for each question would make editing a bit annoying (also it's too much editing work to put that change in, as copy-paste for links or images between plugins might not work as expected). > 3. Is it possible to translate the two following pages, or will it be > made possible? > * https://inkscape.org/fr/apropos/captures/ > * https://inkscape.org/fr/teams/ (and why not teams themselves) - See https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape-web/+bug/1542925 for an explanation and a feature request. Kind Regards, Maren -- What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports. https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/305295220;132659582;e ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Questions concerning the website's content
Dear Sylvain,
Am 04.06.2016 um 16:55 schrieb Sylvain Chiron:
> Le 03/06/2016 à 17:28, Martin Owens a écrit :
>> I can say that you should consider any new website design to be frozen
>> and you can sort on any part of the design for the website for
>> incremental improvements. I've been ding that for the past few months
>> too.
>
> Do you mean ‘shouldn't’? That's OK.
- Sorry for chiming in, Martin.
Sylvain, what he means is that there are no current efforts going on for
a revolutionary redesign of the page. But we can make small changes to
improve the current design.
>> If you change H1, h2, h3 styles, just remember to be specific in your
>> css and say .page h1 { ... }, so that the styles won't change non-cms
>> content pages. (unless that's what you want to do of course)
>
> The current CSS rule is only h1, h2, h3… without any ancestor specified.
> I think there are no headings elsewhere. I'll alter the current rules
> directly.
- Please make the new rules more specific. Your changes will change
*all* h2 and h3 on the website.
We do only want to change those inside the cms pages. All other h2 and
h3 headings (unless there aren't any? You could check that first, to see
if this is necessary) must stay the same.
So this means as a general rule you'd need to
- check if there are other parts in the code that will be concerned by a
change (hint: there are lots of them! Use search/grep on all .html files
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] Questions concerning the website's content
Dear Sylvain, Am 04.06.2016 um 18:40 schrieb Sylvain Chiron: > Le 03/06/2016 à 19:48, Maren Hachmann a écrit : >> If you do make this change, it would help if you could also take some >> time to remove (at least a few of) the paragraphs when the fix has been >> released, so the pages will not look weird due to huge gaps between the >> headings and the following texts. > > I don't think there's a need to wait. I'll remove the paragraphs right > now except in the FAQ for which I'll wait. - I agree. Thank you for starting out on this! >> It may be that missing plugins will automatically be substituted by >> their English counterparts (I think due to a bug in current django, this >> does not happen, but as soon as they fix the bug, there could be a >> problem - there was something about this in their bug tracker, I seem to >> remember). - I just had time to look up the bug I was thinking of. Fortunately, it was about specific *nested* plugins not showing up when the translation doesn't have any plugins, so it's not relevant here. > However… If we try to move the plugins from a text plugin to another, it > will simply remove the plugins' data and the plugins won't exist in the > second text plugin (I just tried on the sandbox)… Thus it would be a > very difficult task to subdivide as I thought… - Yes, that's what I meant by "as copy-paste for links or images between plugins might not work as expected". Nested plugins are saved as children of other plugins. When removed from their original place, and pasted into another one, I assume that they will be gone, because they are deleted from their original place. >> I could imagine splitting the FAQ into its major 7 sections, but having >> a single one for each question would make editing a bit annoying (also >> it's too much editing work to put that change in, as copy-paste for >> links or images between plugins might not work as expected). > > Yes, I was talking about a splitting for the major sections. - So I agree that's a lot of work. Only you can decide if it would be worth the gain for you. I can work with both situations, and I think Brynn can, too. It might make work a tiny bit faster, but not enough so that I would want to do the splitting myself. Maybe there's something else that would profit from our time investment more than this? We've got enough bug reports for inkscape-web to have work for a couple of months... You seem to like javascript stuff, so maybe the inbox problems or the TOC customization could profit from your work. Before you start working on any bug, please add a comment there, telling the others that you plan to work on it (so we don't work on the same bug at the same time), and also sketch roughly what you'd do to fix it. We can then give feedback, or add some more info to the report before you start working on it. Sometimes, things have changed since the bug was first reported, or we may know or plan something that you cannot know about. Kind Regards, Maren -- What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports. https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/305295220;132659582;e ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Questions concerning the website's content
Hi Brynn, Am 05.06.2016 um 02:47 schrieb Brynn: > Hi Everyone, > Well if we can make small changes, could we possibly make the h3 > style to look like it's bigger than h4? Just making it bold would be fine > with me. Or make h4 not bold would work as well. > The reason for this is that I think h4 overtakes h3 on a page, and > makes it hard to understand the intended organization of the page where it's > used. - Just turned this into a bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape-web/+bug/1589280 > Also, and I know this idea probably goes against current website > design styles (in general). But would it be possible to have h4, h5 and h6 > indented? It's just the current left justification of Everything on a page > makes it hard to read - very imposing. - We could review the style of those while we take a look at the other headings. Added that to the report. But first we'd have to make sure those styles will only be used for CMS pages. Regards, Maren -- What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports. https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/305295220;132659582;e ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] inkscape-docs / website: updated automatically?
The docs on the website are up-to-date now. @Martin: Thank you! Regards, Maren Am 01.06.2016 um 19:53 schrieb Maren Hachmann: > @Martin: Are the docs on the website still updated automatically? > > I seem to remember that last time, changes that Nicolas made were > applied to the live server rather quickly, but this time it's taking > longer than expected (> 24 hours). > > For checking: > This page > https://inkscape.org/en/doc/devel/translations-statistics-trunk.html > is supposed to contain dates newer than 2016-03-20. > Would be good to have it updated (automatically?) so the translators > have a good overview over where their work is needed. > > If updating them requires a manual intervention (either because the > automatical update doesn't work, or because it never was automated), > would you maybe take a look, please? (or who knows, maybe it's that > overeager caching again?) > > Kind Regards, > Maren > > > -- > What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic > patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are > consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, > J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity > planning reports. https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/305295220;132659582;e > ___ > Inkscape-docs mailing list > Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs > -- What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports. https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/305295220;132659582;e ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Features + FAQ
Am 18.06.2016 um 11:20 schrieb Brynn:
> Ok, yes. I'll have a look :-)
>
> I did wonder why the extra anchor or question was made. I would have
> just added a couple of extra sentences to the answer for FAQ #1.5.
>
> The reason I have that thought, is because it is in the General section.
> This is the section where we want to make Inkscape sound like a great
> program. And "Why does Inkscape only export PNGs?" as a question by
> itself, doesn't seem to fit with the other general type of questions.
> It makes it sound like it might be a bad thing about Inkscape. It seems
> like it would belong more in the How-To section, if it is a separate
> question. (Or maybe it would be "How to export JPGs?")
>
> But I understand that sometimes it is a fine line, whether a question
> belongs here or there. If everyone else agrees about the organization,
> I'll just check the text, and leave the format alone.
- Didn't look too closely at the organization, but I agree with you,
Brynn - I think it could work like this:
"Inkscape can natively import most raster formats (JPEG, PNG, GIF, etc.)
as bitmap images, but it can only export PNG bitmaps.
Inkscape does not intend to export other raster formats than PNG as this
is currently the most suited format for vector graphics: it uses
lossless compression and is supported by typically all graphics or
rendering software.
If you really need to get your vector in another raster format (e.g.
because your document contains bitmaps and the PNG file size is large or
if you want to use your vector on a platform which only accepts JPEG),
you will have to convert the exported PNG with another software (such as
the GIMP or ImageMagick) or an extension, for example, this one.
Inkscape can save as SVG, SVGZ, PDF, Postscript/EPS/EPSi, LaTeX (*.tex),
POVRay (*.pov), HPGL, and MANY others. Starting with version 0.91,
Inkscape can save as: FXG (Flash XML Graphics), SIF (Synfig Animation
Studio), HTML5 Canvas, and there are improvements for XAML export.
Please see “Exporting Other File Types” section of the Exporting Files
chapter of the manual, for more details.
If you need another export format that Inkscape currently does not
offer, you can make a suggestion to add it to Inkscape in the Inkscape
bug tracker."
Regards,
Maren
> All best,
> brynn
>
> --
> From: "Maren Hachmann"
> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 6:46 PM
> To: "Sylvain Chiron" ; "Martin Owens"
> ; "Brynn"
> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Features + FAQ
>
> Thanks, Sylvain.
>
> I'd change the link name 'JPEG one' to 'for example, this one'.
>
> Brynn, please see the attached screenshots for a quick overview of the
> changes Sylvain asks you to review.
>
> "If you think Inkscape should export to other formats, you can try to
> make a feature request on the bug tracker."
>
> could better be something like
>
> "If you need another export format that Inkscape currently does not
> offer, you can make a suggestion to add it to Inkscape in the Inkscape
> bug tracker."
>
> ('try to' sounds as if it's futile...)
>
> Kind Regards,
> Maren
>
> Am 18.06.2016 um 01:53 schrieb Sylvain Chiron:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Can one of you tell me how I could get a diff of my last changes to
>>>> the FAQ to send it to the translators? (Or could you do it if it
>>>> would be too difficult for me — :)?)
>>>>
>>>> Brynn, can you correct my English please? See those sections:
>>>> https://inkscape.org/en/learn/faq/#why-can-inkscape-only-export-to-the
> -png-raster-format
>>>>
>>>>
> https://inkscape.org/en/learn/faq/#how-to-make-a-transparent-background-
> or-change-the-background-color
>>>>
>>>> Thank you all,
>>>>
>>>> Sylvain
>>>>
>>>> Le 17/06/2016 à 15:13, Martin Owens a écrit :
>>>>> On Fri, 2016-06-17 at 14:33 +0200, Sylvain Chiron wrote:
>>>>>> Isn't the opaque background exported with PNGs?
>>>>>
>>>>> It is.
>>>>>
>>>>> There's also a feature request to add the html style attribute
>>>>> 'background-color' to the svg tag, since that works in all
>>>>> browsers but isn't a part of the svg spec.
>>>>>
>>>>> Martin,
>>>>
>
>>
>
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] Features + FAQ
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] Bitmap/Vector doc
Hi Jeremy, thanks for your offer to help :) Am 05.07.2016 um 12:34 schrieb Jeremy G: > Hi, > > Thanks to Sylvain, I saw on an french task list (1) that a clear > explanation of the difference between a bitmap/raster file and a vector > one was wanted for the website. I also read a part of the conversation > on the bug report page (2) (not everything as the discussion is quite > long :) ). - Yes, the main intention was to have an info graphic explaining the differences and to have a short text that accompanies the picture, if needed. It seems to be a bit difficult, though, to find someone to draw such a graphic for us. Brynn had the idea to make this some sort of contest, or to just ask on social media for someone who could draw up such a thing. Could you also imagine to help with something like that (I don't mean drawing yourself - unless you want to, but helping to organize this)? But, as this has already been taking so long, I also wouldn't mind if this just became a nice, concise, easy article, with a few small example pictures. *Easy* is a key point, because the people who need this explanation usually don't know anything about vector graphics. It should also not be a long read (hence the info graphic idea), but something that you jump to, read, and return to what you've been previously doing (because we would like to point people to it, when they ask a question that shows that the difference isn't clear to them yet). We've got a list somewhere of the concepts that would need to be explained. I (or Brynn) can forward it to you if you would like to get started with any of this. It's a result of years-long forum experience of answering noob questions ;-) > If it's still on the todo list, - Yes, we still don't have that kind of thing on our website. > I just wanted to mention that the > Mapschool page (3) has a short paragraph that explains the difference > between both. As it's licenced under CC0, it could be partly recycled > for the Inkscape website. - The raster part of it is quite strong, but a bit too complex for our needs. The vector part is very short, in comparison, and it's focused on map-making. We could take a few of the phrases as a starting point for our own article. > I'm available to help on this topic, but as I don't really know where to > start, a quick heads-up would be appreciated! - We'd be glad to have some help here. Don't worry if it takes us a bit to respond sometimes, we're all very busy at the moment with a lot of things - but we won't leave you hanging. (Did you ever work with a website cms?) Regards, Maren > Best, > > Jeremy > > (1) https://inkscape.org/fr/contribuer/liste-taches/ > (2) https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape-web/+bug/1258842 > (3) http://www.mapschool.io > > > -- > Attend Shape: An AT&T Tech Expo July 15-16. Meet us at AT&T Park in San > Francisco, CA to explore cutting-edge tech and listen to tech luminaries > present their vision of the future. This family event has something for > everyone, including kids. Get more information and register today. > http://sdm.link/attshape > > > > ___ > Inkscape-docs mailing list > Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs > -- Attend Shape: An AT&T Tech Expo July 15-16. Meet us at AT&T Park in San Francisco, CA to explore cutting-edge tech and listen to tech luminaries present their vision of the future. This family event has something for everyone, including kids. Get more information and register today. http://sdm.link/attshape ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Bitmap/Vector doc
Am 07.07.2016 um 04:38 schrieb Brynn: > OH!! Idea :-) > Once we get the forum issues settled, maybe this could be the first > official competition for the new official forum? - I like that, Brynn! Jeremy, what do you think about helping with this? @Sylvain: The purpose of the page is not of encyclopedic nature. People could use Wikipedia for that or just google it. We are specifically looking for something that will help us in our day-to-day support-giving work. The requirements for that are: easy, quick read / quick view, nice-looking, engaging, fitting to the Inkscape project (maybe with Inkscape mascot, not comparing to other specific software, stress on things people will wonder about when using Inkscape for the first time), translatable. Kind Regards, Maren > All best, > brynn > > ------ > From: "Maren Hachmann" > Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 11:38 AM > To: > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Bitmap/Vector doc > >> Hi Jeremy, >> >> thanks for your offer to help :) >> >> Am 05.07.2016 um 12:34 schrieb Jeremy G: >>> Hi, >>> >>> Thanks to Sylvain, I saw on an french task list (1) that a clear >>> explanation of the difference between a bitmap/raster file and a vector >>> one was wanted for the website. I also read a part of the conversation >>> on the bug report page (2) (not everything as the discussion is quite >>> long :) ). >> >> - Yes, the main intention was to have an info graphic explaining the >> differences and to have a short text that accompanies the picture, if >> needed. >> >> It seems to be a bit difficult, though, to find someone to draw such a >> graphic for us. Brynn had the idea to make this some sort of contest, or >> to just ask on social media for someone who could draw up such a thing. >> >> Could you also imagine to help with something like that (I don't mean >> drawing yourself - unless you want to, but helping to organize this)? >> >> But, as this has already been taking so long, I also wouldn't mind if >> this just became a nice, concise, easy article, with a few small example >> pictures. >> >> *Easy* is a key point, because the people who need this explanation >> usually don't know anything about vector graphics. It should also not be >> a long read (hence the info graphic idea), but something that you jump >> to, read, and return to what you've been previously doing (because we >> would like to point people to it, when they ask a question that shows >> that the difference isn't clear to them yet). >> >> We've got a list somewhere of the concepts that would need to be >> explained. I (or Brynn) can forward it to you if you would like to get >> started with any of this. It's a result of years-long forum experience >> of answering noob questions ;-) >> >>> If it's still on the todo list, >> >> - Yes, we still don't have that kind of thing on our website. >> >>> I just wanted to mention that the >>> Mapschool page (3) has a short paragraph that explains the difference >>> between both. As it's licenced under CC0, it could be partly recycled >>> for the Inkscape website. >> >> - The raster part of it is quite strong, but a bit too complex for our >> needs. The vector part is very short, in comparison, and it's focused on >> map-making. We could take a few of the phrases as a starting point for >> our own article. >> >>> I'm available to help on this topic, but as I don't really know where to >>> start, a quick heads-up would be appreciated! >> >> - We'd be glad to have some help here. Don't worry if it takes us a bit >> to respond sometimes, we're all very busy at the moment with a lot of >> things - but we won't leave you hanging. >> >> (Did you ever work with a website cms?) >> >> Regards, >> Maren >> >>> Best, >>> >>> Jeremy >>> >>> (1) https://inkscape.org/fr/contribuer/liste-taches/ >>> (2) https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape-web/+bug/1258842 >>> (3) http://www.mapschool.io >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Attend Shape: An AT&T Tech Expo July 15-16. Meet us at AT&T Park in San >>> Francisco, CA to explore cutting-edge tech and listen to tech luminaries >>> present their vision of the future. This family event has something for >>>
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Shield data left out
Hi Sylvain, the only editor yesterday was frigory, and all existing languages have been 'edited' and published, so I guess there was some kind of accident. Unfortunately, the history of the page doesn't go back until your first edit yesterday, so reverting might not work as expected. Unless Martin does a revert, I think it would be good if you could reinsert the things that have been lost (yeah, I know, it's a lot of work... :/ At least, that gives us a chance to also update Duarte's link...). Would you have the time to do that or would you like some help? Kind Regards, Maren Am 29.08.2016 um 14:13 schrieb Sylvain Chiron: > Hi, > > I don't know whether or not I'm responsible (that would be very weird) > but it seems that the shield tabs and banners have gone, leaving a blank > area on the homepage, both in draft and published versions: > https://inkscape.org/en/ > > Would somebody know why? Martin, are you working on it? > -- > Sylvain > > -- > ___ > Inkscape-docs mailing list > Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs > -- ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Shield data left
(and French and pt-br, and English) He may be done in a couple of minutes anyway. Regards, Maren m 29.08.2016 um 18:22 schrieb Maren Hachmann: > Martin, > > Sylvain has already been restoring German and Spanish. > Hope he gets your message in time, I think he may be working on the next > page right now. > > (I'm not going to edit anything today) > > Regards, > Maren > > Am 29.08.2016 um 18:00 schrieb Martin Owens: >> OK, >> >> Unless you're Martin or Maren, don't touch the front pages at the >> moment. The live content is there (as english versions) for most >> translations, but content has disapeared and we can't be sure why. >> >> To make sure there's no corruption, I'm putting a freeze on the home >> page for now. >> >> Martin, >> >> On Mon, 2016-08-29 at 15:01 +0200, Sylvain Chiron wrote: >>> Re, >>> >>> Shield data has gone; I provided it again, using my local instance >>> data, >>> in the English page, so that most users don't notice the bug — ;). >>> Translated shields are still blank: >>> https://inkscape.org/de/ >>> https://inkscape.org/fr/ >>> https://inkscape.org/es/ >>> https://inkscape.org/pt/ >>> https://inkscape.org/pt-br/ >>> https://inkscape.org/ru/ >>> https://inkscape.org/ja/ >>> https://inkscape.org/zh/ >>> https://inkscape.org/ko/ >>> >>> I don't know if the data will be restored automatically (I can >>> provide >>> all the translations except European Portuguese as it was translated >>> too >>> recently), but before it is, I have a question: >>> Duarte, it seems you are the artist who drew /Sunset/, the banner for >>> the ‘Learning Resources’ tab. The credit link to your art (in the >>> bottom >>> left-hand corner) is dead. Can you provide a working one please? >>> -- >>> Sylvain >>> >>> --- >>> --- >>> ___ >>> Inkscape-docs mailing list >>> Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Inkscape-docs mailing list >>> Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs > -- ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Shield data left
Martin, Sylvain has already been restoring German and Spanish. Hope he gets your message in time, I think he may be working on the next page right now. (I'm not going to edit anything today) Regards, Maren Am 29.08.2016 um 18:00 schrieb Martin Owens: > OK, > > Unless you're Martin or Maren, don't touch the front pages at the > moment. The live content is there (as english versions) for most > translations, but content has disapeared and we can't be sure why. > > To make sure there's no corruption, I'm putting a freeze on the home > page for now. > > Martin, > > On Mon, 2016-08-29 at 15:01 +0200, Sylvain Chiron wrote: >> Re, >> >> Shield data has gone; I provided it again, using my local instance >> data, >> in the English page, so that most users don't notice the bug — ;). >> Translated shields are still blank: >> https://inkscape.org/de/ >> https://inkscape.org/fr/ >> https://inkscape.org/es/ >> https://inkscape.org/pt/ >> https://inkscape.org/pt-br/ >> https://inkscape.org/ru/ >> https://inkscape.org/ja/ >> https://inkscape.org/zh/ >> https://inkscape.org/ko/ >> >> I don't know if the data will be restored automatically (I can >> provide >> all the translations except European Portuguese as it was translated >> too >> recently), but before it is, I have a question: >> Duarte, it seems you are the artist who drew /Sunset/, the banner for >> the ‘Learning Resources’ tab. The credit link to your art (in the >> bottom >> left-hand corner) is dead. Can you provide a working one please? >> -- >> Sylvain >> >> --- >> --- >> ___ >> Inkscape-docs mailing list >> Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs >> >> >> -- >> >> >> ___ >> Inkscape-docs mailing list >> Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs -- ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] full size image/outside link
>> How did he make the outside link, when you click on the image? If you only provide a thumbnail image and no download, but a link, then it works like this. Regards, Maren -- ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] full size image/outside link
Yeah, that's because the uploading user didn't know the trick, and because that change is more recent, I believe. Fixed it, so it won't confuse users anymore. Regards, Maren Am 03.09.2016 um 23:37 schrieb Brynn: > Well, we have this extension, where you click on the image, and you don't > get the download. You get the image. > https://inkscape.org/en/~PacoGarcia/%E2%98%85inkscape-to-povray > You have to click on the External link to get the download. > > But I think I see what you mean. If there's no file, and there is an > external link, the link is getting applied to the thumbnail. > > I might test it later, just so I understand it. Right now, we have some > kind of an issue with those images which look like a gray piece of paper > with a jagged white line across the middle (on the first page of the > gallery). Apparently they aren't really images. I just made a bug report, > at Martin's request. > > But I think I'll wait a little while for that to get cleared up, before I > try a test. > > Thanks again :-) > > -- > From: "Sylvain Chiron" > Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2016 11:44 AM > To: "Brynn" ; > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] full size image/outside link > >> Le 03/09/2016 à 19:36, Brynn a écrit : >>> I don't know what you mean by "provided a resource". Both of them have >>> an image, which I think is the resource. >> >> No, I think the image is the thumbnail. If the image is the resource, my >> question would be: where do you put the ZIP file? >> -- >> Sylvain > > > -- > ___ > Inkscape-docs mailing list > Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs > -- ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
[Inkscape-docs] "The next release" page: Update required
Hi everyone, I only just noticed that Bryce had appended a new overview of the release process to his email to the dev mailing list about looking for volunteers, and that it looks quite different from the list we have on the website. Would anyone have the time to update the English page (https://inkscape.org/en/develop/next-release/) and tell translators about the change? This is Bryce's new list (I think we can leave 6. out, and don't need to specifically have the sub-item 'string freeze'): "" # Period Tasks √1. Open development. √ Implement new build system √ Begin switching packaging to use new build system 2. Chill. √ Development focuses on wrapping up √ Post inkscape-0.92-pre0.tar.gz √ Disable features that aren't finished √ Identify 'make distcheck' issues √ Identify remaining writing needed for Release Notes. √ Identify any release blocker bugs [scislac] √ Recruit Release Wardens for Hard Freeze 3. Frost. √ Only production-ready code committed to Mainline Finalize any major changes to platform packaging Inkscape must pass 'make distcheck' √ Finalize Release Notes except Known Issues Start an About Screen contest √ Post additional inkscape-0.92-pre*.tar.gz releases Packagers test creating pkgs of the -pre* releases 4. Freeze. √ Stable Branch is forked from Mainline √ Regular development resumes on Mainline. Only Release Wardens can commit to Stable Branch √ Cherrypick bug fixes from Mainline to Stable √ Complete any late work under advisement of Wardens Focus on release-critical bug fixing. String Freeze√ No further string changes allowed on Stable Branch. √ Translators work on translations. √ Finalize all extensions √ Finalize codebase translations Finalize about screen Finalize Known Issues section of Release Notes Finalize packaging scripts Post additional inkscape-0.92-pre*.tar.gz releases 5. Release. Post inkscape-0.92.tar.gz to website launchpad project page Post Windows build, MSI or EXE installer to website Post MacOSX build, dmg installer to website Make Debian build available in stable ppa or distribution archive Make Fedora build available in stable yum repo or distribution archive Post official announcements Plan 0.92.1+ release(s), if needed 6. Open development. """ If nobody else does, I can do it Tuesday night (UTC). Regards, Maren -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] "The next release" page: Update required
Am 11.10.2016 um 20:15 schrieb Sylvain Chiron: > Hi Maren, > > We’re Tuesday night! - You can safely assume that I do own a calendar and a clock, Sylvain. > > The checks below are the very same on the Next Release page. There are > some additional items and some missing items but I don’t think there’s a > need for an update… Otherwise Bryce would have involved, wouldn’t he? - I can't remember ever having been asked to update that page, no. It's our responsibility to do that, to prevent the website from being outdated. As I suspect the subsequent updates will follow the below scheme, adapting the page now can save us work later, when there's more to do, due to the release and news etc. I prefer only changing a couple of checkmarks then to changing/rearranging a big part of the text, like I did now. Regards, Maren > Sylvain > > Le 10/10/2016 à 03:22, Maren Hachmann a écrit : >> Hi everyone, >> >> I only just noticed that Bryce had appended a new overview of the >> release process to his email to the dev mailing list about looking for >> volunteers, and that it looks quite different from the list we have on >> the website. >> >> Would anyone have the time to update the English page >> (https://inkscape.org/en/develop/next-release/) and tell translators >> about the change? >> >> This is Bryce's new list (I think we can leave 6. out, and don't need to >> specifically have the sub-item 'string freeze'): >> >> """""""""" >> # Period Tasks >> >> √1. Open development. >> √ Implement new build system >> √ Begin switching packaging to use new build system >> >> 2. Chill. √ Development focuses on wrapping up >> √ Post inkscape-0.92-pre0.tar.gz >> √ Disable features that aren't finished >> √ Identify 'make distcheck' issues >> √ Identify remaining writing needed for Release Notes. >> √ Identify any release blocker bugs [scislac] >> √ Recruit Release Wardens for Hard Freeze >> >> 3. Frost. √ Only production-ready code committed to Mainline >>Finalize any major changes to platform packaging >>Inkscape must pass 'make distcheck' >> √ Finalize Release Notes except Known Issues >>Start an About Screen contest >> √ Post additional inkscape-0.92-pre*.tar.gz releases >>Packagers test creating pkgs of the -pre* releases >> >> 4. Freeze. √ Stable Branch is forked from Mainline >> √ Regular development resumes on Mainline. >>Only Release Wardens can commit to Stable Branch >> √ Cherrypick bug fixes from Mainline to Stable >> √ Complete any late work under advisement of >>Wardens >>Focus on release-critical bug fixing. >> String Freeze√ No further string changes allowed on Stable >>Branch. >> √ Translators work on translations. >> √ Finalize all extensions >> √ Finalize codebase translations >>Finalize about screen >>Finalize Known Issues section of Release Notes >>Finalize packaging scripts >>Post additional inkscape-0.92-pre*.tar.gz >>releases >> >> 5. Release. Post inkscape-0.92.tar.gz to website launchpad >>project page >>Post Windows build, MSI or EXE installer to >>website >>Post MacOSX build, dmg installer to website >>Make Debian build available in stable ppa or >>distribution archive >>Make Fedora build available in stable yum repo >>or distribution archive >>Post official announcements >>Plan 0.92.1+ release(s), if needed >> >> 6. Open development. >> >> """"""""""" >> >> If no
Re: [Inkscape-docs] "The next release" page: Update required
Sorry, Sylvain, for the harsh tone, you caught me on the wrong foot. I was actually hurrying all day to get this done now. Regards, Maren Am 11.10.2016 um 22:49 schrieb Maren Hachmann: > Am 11.10.2016 um 20:15 schrieb Sylvain Chiron: >> Hi Maren, >> >> We’re Tuesday night! > > - You can safely assume that I do own a calendar and a clock, Sylvain. > >> >> The checks below are the very same on the Next Release page. There are >> some additional items and some missing items but I don’t think there’s a >> need for an update… Otherwise Bryce would have involved, wouldn’t he? > > - I can't remember ever having been asked to update that page, no. It's > our responsibility to do that, to prevent the website from being outdated. > > As I suspect the subsequent updates will follow the below scheme, > adapting the page now can save us work later, when there's more to do, > due to the release and news etc. > I prefer only changing a couple of checkmarks then to > changing/rearranging a big part of the text, like I did now. > > Regards, > Maren > >> Sylvain >> >> Le 10/10/2016 à 03:22, Maren Hachmann a écrit : >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> I only just noticed that Bryce had appended a new overview of the >>> release process to his email to the dev mailing list about looking for >>> volunteers, and that it looks quite different from the list we have on >>> the website. >>> >>> Would anyone have the time to update the English page >>> (https://inkscape.org/en/develop/next-release/) and tell translators >>> about the change? >>> >>> This is Bryce's new list (I think we can leave 6. out, and don't need to >>> specifically have the sub-item 'string freeze'): >>> >>> """""""""" >>> # Period Tasks >>> >>> √1. Open development. >>> √ Implement new build system >>> √ Begin switching packaging to use new build system >>> >>> 2. Chill. √ Development focuses on wrapping up >>> √ Post inkscape-0.92-pre0.tar.gz >>> √ Disable features that aren't finished >>> √ Identify 'make distcheck' issues >>> √ Identify remaining writing needed for Release Notes. >>> √ Identify any release blocker bugs [scislac] >>> √ Recruit Release Wardens for Hard Freeze >>> >>> 3. Frost. √ Only production-ready code committed to Mainline >>>Finalize any major changes to platform packaging >>>Inkscape must pass 'make distcheck' >>> √ Finalize Release Notes except Known Issues >>>Start an About Screen contest >>> √ Post additional inkscape-0.92-pre*.tar.gz releases >>>Packagers test creating pkgs of the -pre* releases >>> >>> 4. Freeze. √ Stable Branch is forked from Mainline >>> √ Regular development resumes on Mainline. >>>Only Release Wardens can commit to Stable Branch >>> √ Cherrypick bug fixes from Mainline to Stable >>> √ Complete any late work under advisement of >>>Wardens >>>Focus on release-critical bug fixing. >>> String Freeze√ No further string changes allowed on Stable >>>Branch. >>> √ Translators work on translations. >>> √ Finalize all extensions >>> √ Finalize codebase translations >>>Finalize about screen >>>Finalize Known Issues section of Release Notes >>>Finalize packaging scripts >>>Post additional inkscape-0.92-pre*.tar.gz >>>releases >>> >>> 5. Release. Post inkscape-0.92.tar.gz to website launchpad >>>project page >>>Post Windows build, MSI or EXE installer to >>>website >>>
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Website design
Am 13.10.2016 um 12:33 schrieb Hinerangi Courtenay: > Hi Sylvain, > > I'm sorry I didn't see your email regarding the responsive design, but I > quickly checked the website on my phone, great work! I haven't looked at > the bug report or the code, but I'll check that out later :) > > I'm not sure when the mobile styles went to prod, but if you want I can > give you a hand to get it working better cross-platform (it's not > responsive on my laptop). I tried working on the responsive styles a few > times, but the local dev environment was always difficult on my machine, > so it was hard to just do the work, and frustratingly I never got very far. - Hinerangi, great to see you again (and all this sudden buzzing of people, it's amazing!) Would it help you to have a VirtualMachine for VirtualBox, where everything is set up and the only things you'd need to do is open a terminal and enter a command to run the server / edit the files? Regards, Maren -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] how about some marketing and outreach?
Am 13.10.2016 um 16:10 schrieb Frédéric Guimont: >>> What's this system? Is there info on the wiki about that? >> >> https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/=tutorial/> > > Cool, I will =) > >> You can submit to this category a link to a youtube tutorial, and if we >> can collect them, it'd be really useful. (tag them as video) - Just added two new official tags that can be used to tag tutorials and make them more easily findable: video and textual. Regards, Maren -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Website design
Am 13.10.2016 um 16:36 schrieb Frédéric Guimont: > I like the vm idea. I'm used to working with Ansible for our projects at work. I've prepared a VM for VirtualBox (or any other virtualization software that can read ova files) and some instructions for use, and could upload it later today, so anyone who is interested can use it for working on the website development version locally. Regards, Maren > I'm also available for responsive frontend work. I can code or do code review > as needed. > > -- > Frédéric Guimont, Consultant en logiciels libres > Savoir-faire Linux > > Téléphone : 418-525-7354 #362 > Ring ID: d9396b8004d26120f1e948ac7a075ab7dd165077 > www.savoirfairelinux.com > > - Original Message - >> From: "Maren Hachmann" >> To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net >> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 8:15:38 AM >> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Website design > >> Am 13.10.2016 um 12:33 schrieb Hinerangi Courtenay: >>> Hi Sylvain, >>> >>> I'm sorry I didn't see your email regarding the responsive design, but I >>> quickly checked the website on my phone, great work! I haven't looked at >>> the bug report or the code, but I'll check that out later :) >>> >>> I'm not sure when the mobile styles went to prod, but if you want I can >>> give you a hand to get it working better cross-platform (it's not >>> responsive on my laptop). I tried working on the responsive styles a few >>> times, but the local dev environment was always difficult on my machine, >>> so it was hard to just do the work, and frustratingly I never got very far. >> >> - Hinerangi, great to see you again (and all this sudden buzzing of >> people, it's amazing!) >> >> Would it help you to have a VirtualMachine for VirtualBox, where >> everything is set up and the only things you'd need to do is open a >> terminal and enter a command to run the server / edit the files? >> >> Regards, >> Maren >> >> >> -- >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> ___ >> Inkscape-docs mailing list >> Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs > -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Website design
Currently uploading. If all goes well, it will be available in 2 hours or so (2.9 GB, and none of the cloud services I use offer that amount of space, so loading up to sourceforge - hope they'll accept it). Regards, Maren Am 14.10.2016 um 16:41 schrieb Hinerangi Courtenay: > Hi Maren :) > > Yes a preconfigured virtual machine would be so great! I tried setting > up a vagrantfile with the idea of sharing it with anyone who needed it > (eg. Mac users), but got lost in the Django details :( > > Launchpad is also an unfamiliar tool for me (used to Github, Bitbucket, > Gitlab, etc), so I really should take the time to get used to it (at > least just the code/issues/pull requests). > > Cheers, > Hinerangi > > > On Friday, 14 October 2016 4:16 AM, > "inkscape-docs-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net" > wrote: > > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2016 14:15:38 +0200 > From: Maren Hachmann <mailto:ma...@goos-habermann.de>> > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Website design > To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net > <mailto:inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net> > Message-ID: <97049081-b886-5e8a-f435-523c63ab4...@goos-habermann.de > <mailto:97049081-b886-5e8a-f435-523c63ab4...@goos-habermann.de>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > Am 13.10.2016 um 12:33 schrieb Hinerangi Courtenay: >> Hi Sylvain, >> >> I'm sorry I didn't see your email regarding the responsive design, but I >> quickly checked the website on my phone, great work! I haven't looked at >> the bug report or the code, but I'll check that out later :) >> >> I'm not sure when the mobile styles went to prod, but if you want I can >> give you a hand to get it working better cross-platform (it's not >> responsive on my laptop). I tried working on the responsive styles a few >> times, but the local dev environment was always difficult on my machine, >> so it was hard to just do the work, and frustratingly I never got very > far. > > - Hinerangi, great to see you again (and all this sudden buzzing of > people, it's amazing!) > > Would it help you to have a VirtualMachine for VirtualBox, where > everything is set up and the only things you'd need to do is open a > terminal and enter a command to run the server / edit the files? > > Regards, > Maren > > > -- > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 04:16:47 +0200 > From: Maren Hachmann <mailto:ma...@goos-habermann.de>> > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Website design > To: Fr?d?ric Guimont <mailto:frederic.guim...@savoirfairelinux.com>> > Cc: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net > <mailto:inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net> > Message-ID: <0fe8501a-970f-2eeb-e8c6-5eac95a07...@goos-habermann.de > <mailto:0fe8501a-970f-2eeb-e8c6-5eac95a07...@goos-habermann.de>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Am 13.10.2016 um 16:36 schrieb Fr?d?ric Guimont: >> I like the vm idea. I'm used to working with Ansible for our projects > at work. > > I've prepared a VM for VirtualBox (or any other virtualization software > that can read ova files) and some instructions for use, and could upload > it later today, so anyone who is interested can use it for working on > the website development version locally. > > Regards, > Maren > >> I'm also available for responsive frontend work. I can code or do code > review as needed. >> >> -- >> Fr?d?ric Guimont, Consultant en logiciels libres >> Savoir-faire Linux >> >> T?l?phone : 418-525-7354 #362 >> Ring ID: d9396b8004d26120f1e948ac7a075ab7dd165077 >> www.savoirfairelinux.com >> >> - Original Message - >>> From: "Maren Hachmann" <mailto:ma...@goos-habermann.de>> >>> To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net > <mailto:inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net> >>> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 8:15:38 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Website design >> >>> Am 13.10.2016 um 12:33 schrieb Hinerangi Courtenay: >>>> Hi Sylvain, >>>> >>>> I'm sorry I didn't see your email regarding the responsive design, but I >>>> quickly checked the website on my phone, great work! I haven't looked at >>>> the bug report or the code, but I'll check that out later :) >>>> >>>> I'm not sure when the mobile styles went to prod, but if you want I can >>>> give you a hand to get it working better cross-platform (it's not >>>> responsive on my laptop). I tri
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Website design
Hinerangi, Frédéric, the VM is available now from here: https://sourceforge.net/projects/dodger-tools/files/vms/LM18XfceInkTrunk.ova/download Instructions text is attached to this email. Hope it will work well for you! Btw. there's a translator for Arabic intending to help us to improve layout for RTL languages. I'll point him to this discussion, so he can know about updates to website design plans, if he would like to. Regards, Maren Am 14.10.2016 um 17:05 schrieb Maren Hachmann: > Currently uploading. If all goes well, it will be available in 2 hours > or so (2.9 GB, and none of the cloud services I use offer that amount of > space, so loading up to sourceforge - hope they'll accept it). > > Regards, > Maren > > Am 14.10.2016 um 16:41 schrieb Hinerangi Courtenay: >> Hi Maren :) >> >> Yes a preconfigured virtual machine would be so great! I tried setting >> up a vagrantfile with the idea of sharing it with anyone who needed it >> (eg. Mac users), but got lost in the Django details :( >> >> Launchpad is also an unfamiliar tool for me (used to Github, Bitbucket, >> Gitlab, etc), so I really should take the time to get used to it (at >> least just the code/issues/pull requests). >> >> Cheers, >> Hinerangi >> >> >> On Friday, 14 October 2016 4:16 AM, >> "inkscape-docs-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net" >> wrote: >> >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2016 14:15:38 +0200 >> From: Maren Hachmann > <mailto:ma...@goos-habermann.de>> >> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Website design >> To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net >> <mailto:inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net> >> Message-ID: <97049081-b886-5e8a-f435-523c63ab4...@goos-habermann.de >> <mailto:97049081-b886-5e8a-f435-523c63ab4...@goos-habermann.de>> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >> >> Am 13.10.2016 um 12:33 schrieb Hinerangi Courtenay: >>> Hi Sylvain, >>> >>> I'm sorry I didn't see your email regarding the responsive design, but I >>> quickly checked the website on my phone, great work! I haven't looked at >>> the bug report or the code, but I'll check that out later :) >>> >>> I'm not sure when the mobile styles went to prod, but if you want I can >>> give you a hand to get it working better cross-platform (it's not >>> responsive on my laptop). I tried working on the responsive styles a few >>> times, but the local dev environment was always difficult on my machine, >>> so it was hard to just do the work, and frustratingly I never got very >> far. >> >> - Hinerangi, great to see you again (and all this sudden buzzing of >> people, it's amazing!) >> >> Would it help you to have a VirtualMachine for VirtualBox, where >> everything is set up and the only things you'd need to do is open a >> terminal and enter a command to run the server / edit the files? >> >> Regards, >> Maren >> >> >> -- >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 04:16:47 +0200 >> From: Maren Hachmann > <mailto:ma...@goos-habermann.de>> >> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Website design >> To: Fr?d?ric Guimont > <mailto:frederic.guim...@savoirfairelinux.com>> >> Cc: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net >> <mailto:inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net> >> Message-ID: <0fe8501a-970f-2eeb-e8c6-5eac95a07...@goos-habermann.de >> <mailto:0fe8501a-970f-2eeb-e8c6-5eac95a07...@goos-habermann.de>> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> Am 13.10.2016 um 16:36 schrieb Fr?d?ric Guimont: >>> I like the vm idea. I'm used to working with Ansible for our projects >> at work. >> >> I've prepared a VM for VirtualBox (or any other virtualization software >> that can read ova files) and some instructions for use, and could upload >> it later today, so anyone who is interested can use it for working on >> the website development version locally. >> >> Regards, >> Maren >> >>> I'm also available for responsive frontend work. I can code or do code >> review as needed. >>> >>> -- >>> Fr?d?ric Guimont, Consultant en logiciels libres >>> Savoir-faire Linux >>> >>> T?l?phone : 418-525-7354 #362 >>> Ring ID: d9396b8004d26120f1e948ac7a075ab7dd165077 >>> www.savoirfairelinux.com >>> >>> - Original Message - >>>> From: "Maren Hachmann" >
Re: [Inkscape-docs] about screen InkSpace description
Hi Brynn, thanks :) The link is https://inkscape.org/en/about-screen-contests/ (if Martin intends to use it, I don't know). I like the 'celebration' part a lot. But as this is Martin's text and Martin's 'project', I won't do any edits to it, unless he agrees. He may have had other ideas why he wrote it like this, don't know. Regards, Maren Am 20.10.2016 um 05:52 schrieb Brynn: > Hi Friends, > I was just looking at the About Screen Contest InkSpace page: > > https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/=about-screen-contest/ > > after Martin asked on the User list if people would test uploading on this > page: > > https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/=about-screen-contest/about-test-contest/ > > And I noticed the description on the first page, which is: > > "When the Inkscape team and community is winding down development and > preparing to release the next version we invite our artist users to help us > make Inkscape stand out by drawing an About Screen. Our goal is to show off > what the new version of Inkscape can do in an artistic manner. We don't have > a particular theme, but it should be smart, attractive and show off the best > you can do in Inkscape." > > I think the tone reinforces a separation between the user and > development communities, so I suggested the following change. However, I > would also welcome others to tweak on it, since I'm sure it could be > improved even further. > (And of course I can't actually perform the edit, because I don't > have the right kind of access for that.) > > "Long time Inkscape users may have noticed that the About screen (Help menu > > About) is different for each major version of Inkscape. Traditionally, > when development is winding down, and just before each new version is > released, the community celebrates by holding a contest to choose a new > image for the About screen. The goal is to show off what the new version > can do, in an artistic manner, as well as to announce the release (with > flair???). Please see [link] for more information." > > So I eliminated any mentioning of separate communities, explained > what the About screen is, and about the contest. I dropped that part about > the theme, because it seems to belong more in the instructions for the > contest. I don't actually know where the instructions are yet. But if this > is where they are supposed to be, then of course it needs a lot more > editing! And I added a link to the instructions or other additional info. > > Please tweak away :-) > > Thank you very much, > brynn > > > -- > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > Inkscape-docs mailing list > Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs > -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] comment glitch?
Am 01.11.2016 um 12:17 schrieb Brynn: > Hi Friends, > Not posting bug report yet, in case this might be a known issue, or > even a non-issue. I was just posting a comment in the gallery (contest > section). After I posted, I wondered if I could edit, and I clicked on the > comment number (#3). Then the comment just disappeared. I thought it had > been deleted somehow. So I posted another comment. > Well, of course, now the first comment has returned, as soon as I > submitted the 2nd one. Maybe it's not a major issue, but just in case. Let > me know if I can provide further info. > Just tested on one of my own images, so I don't mess up someone > else's image page. Submitted a comment, then clicked the comment number. > Comment disappeared! > Refreshing page several times over 5 minutes, it still is missing. > I'll keep watching and refreshing, and after 15 min, I'll post another > comment, to see what happens. > Aargh, I lost track of time. So an hour later, now the comment is > showing again. Maybe it's not a problem, but just in case. - Confirmed. It seems the cache for the comment direct links isn't updated together with the resource detail view page cache (or something like that). Please, can you make a report, Brynn? Regards, Maren > Thanks, > brynn > > > -- > Developer Access Program for Intel Xeon Phi Processors > Access to Intel Xeon Phi processor-based developer platforms. > With one year of Intel Parallel Studio XE. > Training and support from Colfax. > Order your platform today. http://sdm.link/xeonphi > ___ > Inkscape-docs mailing list > Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs > -- Developer Access Program for Intel Xeon Phi Processors Access to Intel Xeon Phi processor-based developer platforms. With one year of Intel Parallel Studio XE. Training and support from Colfax. Order your platform today. http://sdm.link/xeonphi ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] Winner: About screen contest
Hi Brynn, thanks for writing that up. I've only fixed the number of entries in the summary part and will now tell translators about the new article. Kind Regards, Maren Am 28.11.2016 um 10:15 schrieb Brynn: > Ok, so I wrote a rough first draft, which probably needs some > polishingor at least a proof read. I was thinking to insert the winning > image into the article, and I did insert the SVG, but I could always export > a PNG if that would be better. > > It's not published yet. Title is "About Screen Contest 0.92 Winner!" > > Please feel free to tweak and edit if necessary. I'm thinking publishing by > Monday afternoon would be reasonable. > > Thanks for your help, > brynn > > -- > From: "Brynn" > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 1:14 AM > To: "Martin Owens" ; "Inkscape-Docs" > > Cc: "Inkscape-Devel" > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Winner: About screen contest > >> News article announcing winner, needed? I haven't seen Maren for a couple >> of days, and I think she's been on top of the news articles recently. I >> could write something brief, if it's needed. Althoughwell, it >> looks >> like I do have access to create a new news item now. If I click News in >> the >> top menu, then New news, it opens the Django editor. If that's the >> correct >> way to do it, I could get started. >> >> All best, >> brynn >> >> -- >> From: "Martin Owens" >> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 3:21 PM >> To: "inkscape-devel" >> Subject: [Inkscape-devel] Winner: About screen contest >> >>> -- >>> >> >> >> >>> ___ >>> Inkscape-devel mailing list >>> inkscape-de...@lists.sourceforge.net >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel >>> >> >> -- >> ___ >> Inkscape-devel mailing list >> inkscape-de...@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel > > > -- > ___ > Inkscape-docs mailing list > Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs > -- ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] Winner: About screen contest
Am 29.11.2016 um 00:25 schrieb Brynn: > Awesome! Thanks for the tweaks and thanks for publishing - I really > thought I might need to put the image off to the side. But I couldn't > find a way to view the saved page, outside of the editor. (Not that it > necessarily needs to be fixed. I'm just glad to be able to write new > news now, because for a while there, the proper links weren't showing up > for me.) - It was already published. Martin did, early this morning. Regards, Maren > Wow, 56 entries? I've been wondering if that's a record participation, > but we probably don't keep those statistics. > > Thanks again :-) > > -- > From: "Maren Hachmann" > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 12:35 PM > To: > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] Winner: About screen contest > >> Hi Brynn, >> >> thanks for writing that up. I've only fixed the number of entries in the >> summary part and will now tell translators about the new article. >> >> Kind Regards, >> Maren >> >> Am 28.11.2016 um 10:15 schrieb Brynn: >>> Ok, so I wrote a rough first draft, which probably needs some >>> polishingor at least a proof read. I was thinking to insert the >>> winning >>> image into the article, and I did insert the SVG, but I could always >>> export >>> a PNG if that would be better. >>> >>> It's not published yet. Title is "About Screen Contest 0.92 Winner!" >>> >>> Please feel free to tweak and edit if necessary. I'm thinking >>> publishing by >>> Monday afternoon would be reasonable. >>> >>> Thanks for your help, >>> brynn >>> >>> -- >>> From: "Brynn" >>> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 1:14 AM >>> To: "Martin Owens" ; "Inkscape-Docs" >>> >>> Cc: "Inkscape-Devel" >>> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Winner: About screen contest >>> >>>> News article announcing winner, needed? I haven't seen Maren for a >>>> couple >>>> of days, and I think she's been on top of the news articles >>>> recently. I >>>> could write something brief, if it's needed. Althoughwell, it >>>> looks >>>> like I do have access to create a new news item now. If I click >>>> News in >>>> the >>>> top menu, then New news, it opens the Django editor. If that's the >>>> correct >>>> way to do it, I could get started. >>>> >>>> All best, >>>> brynn >>>> >>>> -- >>>> From: "Martin Owens" >>>> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 3:21 PM >>>> To: "inkscape-devel" >>>> Subject: [Inkscape-devel] Winner: About screen contest >>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> ___ >>>>> Inkscape-devel mailing list >>>>> inkscape-de...@lists.sourceforge.net >>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> Inkscape-devel mailing list >>>> inkscape-de...@lists.sourceforge.net >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> ___ >>> Inkscape-docs mailing list >>> Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> ___ >> Inkscape-docs mailing list >> Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs > > -- ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
[Inkscape-docs] Website: Bad Gateway and server errors, even on login
Hi Martin, could you have a look at the website? It's giving lots of server errors and Bad Gateway errors, upon trying to upload something (Bryce's pre4 source code), trying to view resources as well as when trying to login. It could be connected to the outages we experienced yesterday, which were related to power failure in some data center, but I suspect that it isn't (or that it would need fixing on the server, at least). Regards, Maren -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] Website: Bad Gateway and server errors, even on login
Thank you very much, Martin! Bryce uploaded the new prerelease version in parallel with me... LOL... Deleted 'my' version now. Regards, Maren Am 19.12.2016 um 18:53 schrieb Martin Owens: > On Mon, 2016-12-19 at 10:47 -0700, brynn wrote: >> The site seems offline, at this moment. I get an "Unable to Connect" >> page from >> Firefox, but no error codes. Earlier today I was getting server >> errors when >> trying to view images in the gallery. I didn't report here, because >> the error >> message says that a report is generated. So I assumed Martin was >> knowing about >> it already. > > I did. I took the website down so I could do a post-mortem. > > * Server restart after power > * Database [postgresql on localhost] didn't quite come back all the > way. > * Logs fills filled with error messages > * Disk full pretty quick. > > What I'm surprised by was how memcached kept the site sort of going > with all these issues. > >> (Perhaps it's my americanized consumerism, but even for free hosting, >> this is >> darn poor service which the project has been receiving lately. In my >> opinion, >> it's outrageous. I would have bailed long ago. My opinion.) > > These services are really quite expensive. This is because our website > gets a LOT of hits. > > I understand the feeling that we ort to bail for something else, but to > be honest we'd either be chaffing under less control or way more cost. > > Not that we should dismiss it because of costs of course. But it'd be a > few thousand dollars a month and we should consider that carefully. > > Martin, > > -- > Developer Access Program for Intel Xeon Phi Processors > Access to Intel Xeon Phi processor-based developer platforms. > With one year of Intel Parallel Studio XE. > Training and support from Colfax. > Order your platform today.http://sdm.link/intel > ___ > Inkscape-devel mailing list > inkscape-de...@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel > -- Developer Access Program for Intel Xeon Phi Processors Access to Intel Xeon Phi processor-based developer platforms. With one year of Intel Parallel Studio XE. Training and support from Colfax. Order your platform today.http://sdm.link/intel ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] 0.92.x updated .po files
Wonderful, thank you, Jabier! I'm adding the translators mailing list to the recipients. Regards, Maren Am 20.12.2016 um 03:14 schrieb Jabier Arraiza: > Hi to all, first of all sorry for my english. > > The call is for inform we update the '.po' files to update > translations, specialy for the DPI switch part. > > Its some long text, recently added and is important the users > understand it well. > > Also we add some strings on mirror symmetry and copy rotate LPE but > this aren't crucial. > > I think the files changed are: > /src/file.cpp > /src/live_effects/lpe-mirror_symmetry.cpp > /src/live_effects/lpe-copy_rotate.cpp > > Feel free to request more information. > > Thanks so much for your work, and sorry for the inconveniences. > > Cheers, Jabier. > -- Developer Access Program for Intel Xeon Phi Processors Access to Intel Xeon Phi processor-based developer platforms. With one year of Intel Parallel Studio XE. Training and support from Colfax. Order your platform today.http://sdm.link/intel ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
[Inkscape-docs] Website, Debugging updated: Publish?
Hi, Martin seems to have updated the debugging section a couple of days ago: https://inkscape.org/en/develop/debugging/?edit Was it intended to be published, or is it still a WIP? Maren -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website
Am 03.01.2017 um 20:45 schrieb brynn: > First I should say that I'm not a frequent YT user or video watcher. Is > there > no copyright issue, to just grab a video and upload it? - Martin meant 'upload a link as a resource to the website' when he wrote 'upload'. Linking should be allowed in this case :) (standard youtube licence, I expect). Regards, Maren > Thanks, > brynn > > -Original Message- > From: Martin Owens > Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 9:49 PM > To: brynn ; Vardenis Pavardenis > Cc: Inkscape-Docs > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website > > Don't forget to upload each of the videos into the website, if you add > the youtube video as the URL link it will embed the video and you can > add text and other important information like the license (if there is > one). > > This way videos can be collected onto these tutorial pages using the > gallery widgets. > > Martin, > > On Mon, 2017-01-02 at 16:02 -0700, brynn wrote: >> No need to create a page. But if you want to make a list of >> tutorials, with a >> link to each one, I'll be glad to add them to that page. That page >> needs some >> attention besides current videos, too. I'm not sure how it got to be >> organized >> like it is, but I'm sure we could eliminate a lot of bullets. >> >> Thanks for your help, >> brynn >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Vardenis Pavardenis >> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 12:40 PM >> To: brynn >> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in >> website >> >> >> No, no (I don't have permissions and maybe someone don't agree with >> me). I'm not >> editing, I'm only discuss for now about "Video Tutorials" section, >> and I'm >> thinking Nick Saporito, Chris Hildenbrand, Sids Art tutorials can be >> more >> helpful than now tutorials in Video Tutorial section. >> I can try (In text editor) create page with format familiar to the >> current with >> new video tutorials from above authors and share here. :-) >> >> >> 02.01.2017, 21:26, "brynn" : >> >> >> Hi Vardenis, >> Yes, Nick Saporito has very quickly compiled a huge amount of >> Inkscape >> tutorials! I think that now, they aren't quite as good as when he >> first >> started. Goes a little too fast now. And it drives me crazy that he >> ALWAYS >> calls the Selection tool, "the arrow tool". Even after I mentioned >> it, he still >> keeps saying it. But still, they are a free resource, and I think >> they are >> helpful for a LOT of Inkscape users. >> Chris Hildenbrand's tutorials are mostly text tutorials. I >> think only a >> few are videos. Unless recently he's started using videos? But yes, >> very good! >> I haven't heard of Sids Art. I'll follow your link and check >> it out. >> Yes, those would certainly help to make the Video Tutorials >> page more >> current. I didn't understand you though. Did you mean to say that you >> are >> going to edit that page? If you want to help with the Inkscape >> project, and >> edit that page, we can give you permissions to edit the website. >> >> All best, >> brynn >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Vardenis Pavardenis >> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 11:55 AM >> To: brynn >> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in >> website >> >> >> Hello, Brynn, >> Thanks for you website, it is amazing! And really try to help with >> your website >> and outdated tutorials, I'm now trying with Video Tutorials section >> in website, >> Thanks for you help. ;-) >> I'm thinking in "Video Tutorials" section tutorials from Nick >> Saporito >> (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEQXp_fcqwPcqrzNtWJ1w9w/playlists), >> he have >> playlist Inkscape explained(for very beginners), Inkscape Beginner >> Tutorials, >> Inkscape Intermediate/Advanced Tutorials, Inkscape Typeface >> Tutorials, Inkscape >> Logo tutorials, he explains from very beginning to advanced topics in >> Inkscape, >> too Chris Hildenbrand have awesome tutorials( >> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVMhFCCmrMisICIoyTIXsKw/playlists ) >> for game >> art, Inkscape basics of game art creation, Inkscape seamless >> patterns, too in >> channel is tutorials about how to animate. Too Sids Art - Inkscape >> And Drawing >> have interesting tutorials >> (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLI43BLYCGCqrnxqHwDRTni9K3V-Y >> bkhs). >> >> I'm thinking this videos make Video Tutorials section more modern and >> more >> interest. >> >> What do you thinks about that? >> >> Sorry for my bad English language, Thanks. :-) >> >> >> 02.01.2017, 20:41, "brynn" : >> >> >> I have an interest in tutorials of all kinds, and keep a list of what >> I consider >> the best or most helpful tutorials (meaning that they don't contain >> any errors >> or outdated steps) on my website: https://forum.inkscapecommunity.com >> /index.php >> It's probably about 6 months out of date, right now. But I'll make it >> current >> pretty soon. >> >> I have a plan to bring them all over
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website
Am 03.01.2017 um 22:00 schrieb brynn: > Hi Vardenis, > I think I understand what you mean. You're thinking it would be > better > not to mix up video and text tutorials, in the gallery? Well, they already > are > mixed up in the gallery (https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/=tutorial/). > However, > you can choose to look at only text or only videos. See on the right column, > where it says "textual" and "video", black buttons with white text? > Although I'm not sure if that works, if the author did not put such a > tag when they uploaded?? Yeah, if you click on video, it's blank, as if > there > were no videos. Is it possible to manually add those tags, to the video > tutorials? - Yes, they can be tagged just like any other item in the gallery. The tags on the right are the 'official' ones, just like it works for the extensions. (I'm addressing this reply to the list, since I have this question.) > But Martin is talking about something else, I think. He's asking to > have the videos embedded on the Video Tutorials page. - He was rather asking to post a link as a resource. The embedding will work automatically. > I haven't ever done that > before, or seen it. So I'm not sure what it will look like. > I'll try an example, using one of the heathenex vids, because I know > they have a free license. Then we can both see what it's going to look like. > I'll do it in just a few minutes. > But I still wonder about taking just any YT video and embedding it. > Are > all YT videos automatically public domain? - Nope, most are 'Standard Youtube Licence'. Regards, Maren > > Thanks, > brynn > > -Original Message- > From: Vardenis Pavardenis > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 1:11 PM > To: brynn > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website > > > I'm thinking maybe better just add link's to article (Video Tutorials) and > don't > upload all this videos as resources in gallery, tutorials section (current > video > tutorials only link's), because in gallery, tutorials is more text based than > videos, and I think if I would start uploading videos to tutorials category > (https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/=tutorial/), it would become a bit of a mess > and "Video Tutorials" category in websites loss of sense. What do you thinks? > > Sorry for my bad English language, Thanks. > > > 03.01.2017, 21:45, "brynn" : > > > First I should say that I'm not a frequent YT user or video watcher. Is there > no copyright issue, to just grab a video and upload it? > > Thanks, > brynn > > -Original Message- > From: Martin Owens > Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 9:49 PM > To: brynn ; Vardenis Pavardenis > Cc: Inkscape-Docs > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website > > Don't forget to upload each of the videos into the website, if you add > the youtube video as the URL link it will embed the video and you can > add text and other important information like the license (if there is > one). > > This way videos can be collected onto these tutorial pages using the > gallery widgets. > > Martin, > > On Mon, 2017-01-02 at 16:02 -0700, brynn wrote: > > > No need to create a page. But if you want to make a list of > tutorials, with a > link to each one, I'll be glad to add them to that page. That page > needs some > attention besides current videos, too. I'm not sure how it got to be > organized > like it is, but I'm sure we could eliminate a lot of bullets. > > Thanks for your help, > brynn > > -Original Message- > From: Vardenis Pavardenis > Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 12:40 PM > To: brynn > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in > website > > > No, no (I don't have permissions and maybe someone don't agree with > me). I'm not > editing, I'm only discuss for now about "Video Tutorials" section, > and I'm > thinking Nick Saporito, Chris Hildenbrand, Sids Art tutorials can be > more > helpful than now tutorials in Video Tutorial section. > I can try (In text editor) create page with format familiar to the > current with > new video tutorials from above authors and share here. :-) > > > 02.01.2017, 21:26, "brynn" : > > > Hi Vardenis, > Yes, Nick Saporito has very quickly compiled a huge amount of > Inkscape > tutorials! I think that now, they aren't quite as good as when he > first > started. Goes a little too fast now. And it drives me crazy that he > ALWAYS > calls the Selection tool, "the arrow tool". Even after I mentioned > it, he still > keeps saying it. But still, they are a free resource, and I think > they are > helpful for a LOT of Inkscape users. > Chris Hildenbrand's tutorials are mostly text tutorials. I > think only a > few are videos. Unless recently he's started using videos? But yes, > very good! > I haven't heard of Sids Art. I'll follow your link and check > it out. > Yes, those wo
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website
Am 03.01.2017 um 22:25 schrieb brynn: > Ok, Vardenis, click on the text link "Inkscape-screencast2-Globe", on the > Video > Tutorials page. It's the first one under "with narration" for Richard Querin. > > And Martin, is that what you meant? - Is this something that requires translation? Or will we wait until it's complete? Maren > Thanks, > brynn > > -Original Message- > From: Martin Owens > Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 9:49 PM > To: brynn ; Vardenis Pavardenis > Cc: Inkscape-Docs > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website > > Don't forget to upload each of the videos into the website, if you add > the youtube video as the URL link it will embed the video and you can > add text and other important information like the license (if there is > one). > > This way videos can be collected onto these tutorial pages using the > gallery widgets. > > Martin, > > On Mon, 2017-01-02 at 16:02 -0700, brynn wrote: >> No need to create a page. But if you want to make a list of >> tutorials, with a >> link to each one, I'll be glad to add them to that page. That page >> needs some >> attention besides current videos, too. I'm not sure how it got to be >> organized >> like it is, but I'm sure we could eliminate a lot of bullets. >> >> Thanks for your help, >> brynn >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Vardenis Pavardenis >> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 12:40 PM >> To: brynn >> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in >> website >> >> >> No, no (I don't have permissions and maybe someone don't agree with >> me). I'm not >> editing, I'm only discuss for now about "Video Tutorials" section, >> and I'm >> thinking Nick Saporito, Chris Hildenbrand, Sids Art tutorials can be >> more >> helpful than now tutorials in Video Tutorial section. >> I can try (In text editor) create page with format familiar to the >> current with >> new video tutorials from above authors and share here. :-) >> >> >> 02.01.2017, 21:26, "brynn" : >> >> >> Hi Vardenis, >> Yes, Nick Saporito has very quickly compiled a huge amount of >> Inkscape >> tutorials! I think that now, they aren't quite as good as when he >> first >> started. Goes a little too fast now. And it drives me crazy that he >> ALWAYS >> calls the Selection tool, "the arrow tool". Even after I mentioned >> it, he still >> keeps saying it. But still, they are a free resource, and I think >> they are >> helpful for a LOT of Inkscape users. >> Chris Hildenbrand's tutorials are mostly text tutorials. I >> think only a >> few are videos. Unless recently he's started using videos? But yes, >> very good! >> I haven't heard of Sids Art. I'll follow your link and check >> it out. >> Yes, those would certainly help to make the Video Tutorials >> page more >> current. I didn't understand you though. Did you mean to say that you >> are >> going to edit that page? If you want to help with the Inkscape >> project, and >> edit that page, we can give you permissions to edit the website. >> >> All best, >> brynn >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Vardenis Pavardenis >> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 11:55 AM >> To: brynn >> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in >> website >> >> >> Hello, Brynn, >> Thanks for you website, it is amazing! And really try to help with >> your website >> and outdated tutorials, I'm now trying with Video Tutorials section >> in website, >> Thanks for you help. ;-) >> I'm thinking in "Video Tutorials" section tutorials from Nick >> Saporito >> (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEQXp_fcqwPcqrzNtWJ1w9w/playlists), >> he have >> playlist Inkscape explained(for very beginners), Inkscape Beginner >> Tutorials, >> Inkscape Intermediate/Advanced Tutorials, Inkscape Typeface >> Tutorials, Inkscape >> Logo tutorials, he explains from very beginning to advanced topics in >> Inkscape, >> too Chris Hildenbrand have awesome tutorials( >> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVMhFCCmrMisICIoyTIXsKw/playlists ) >> for game >> art, Inkscape basics of game art creation, Inkscape seamless >> patterns, too in >> channel is tutorials about how to animate. Too Sids Art - Inkscape >> And Drawing >> have interesting tutorials >> (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLI43BLYCGCqrnxqHwDRTni9K3V-Y >> bkhs). >> >> I'm thinking this videos make Video Tutorials section more modern and >> more >> interest. >> >> What do you thinks about that? >> >> Sorry for my bad English language, Thanks. :-) >> >> >> 02.01.2017, 20:41, "brynn" : >> >> >> I have an interest in tutorials of all kinds, and keep a list of what >> I consider >> the best or most helpful tutorials (meaning that they don't contain >> any errors >> or outdated steps) on my website: https://forum.inkscapecommunity.com >> /index.php >> It's probably about 6 months out of date, right now. But I'll make it >> current >> pretty soon. >> >> I have a plan to bring them all over to the website, eventuall
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website
Am 03.01.2017 um 22:33 schrieb brynn: > Oh, hi Maren :-) > > Did I do it right? Please look at text link > "Inkscape-screencast2-Globe" which is the first under "with narration" > for Richard Querin. > > Or did he mean to put it in the gallery, and I misunderstood? - Yes :) > Thanks, > brynn > > -Original Message- From: Maren Hachmann > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 2:29 PM > To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website > > Am 03.01.2017 um 20:45 schrieb brynn: >> First I should say that I'm not a frequent YT user or video watcher. >> Is there >> no copyright issue, to just grab a video and upload it? > > - Martin meant 'upload a link as a resource to the website' when he > wrote 'upload'. Linking should be allowed in this case :) (standard > youtube licence, I expect). > > Regards, > Maren > >> Thanks, >> brynn >> >> -Original Message- From: Martin Owens >> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 9:49 PM >> To: brynn ; Vardenis Pavardenis >> Cc: Inkscape-Docs >> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website >> >> Don't forget to upload each of the videos into the website, if you add >> the youtube video as the URL link it will embed the video and you can >> add text and other important information like the license (if there is >> one). >> >> This way videos can be collected onto these tutorial pages using the >> gallery widgets. >> >> Martin, >> >> On Mon, 2017-01-02 at 16:02 -0700, brynn wrote: >>> No need to create a page. But if you want to make a list of >>> tutorials, with a >>> link to each one, I'll be glad to add them to that page. That page >>> needs some >>> attention besides current videos, too. I'm not sure how it got to be >>> organized >>> like it is, but I'm sure we could eliminate a lot of bullets. >>> >>> Thanks for your help, >>> brynn >>> >>> -Original Message- From: Vardenis Pavardenis >>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 12:40 PM >>> To: brynn >>> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in >>> website >>> >>> >>> No, no (I don't have permissions and maybe someone don't agree with >>> me). I'm not >>> editing, I'm only discuss for now about "Video Tutorials" section, >>> and I'm >>> thinking Nick Saporito, Chris Hildenbrand, Sids Art tutorials can be >>> more >>> helpful than now tutorials in Video Tutorial section. >>> I can try (In text editor) create page with format familiar to the >>> current with >>> new video tutorials from above authors and share here. :-) >>> >>> >>> 02.01.2017, 21:26, "brynn" : >>> >>> >>> Hi Vardenis, >>> Yes, Nick Saporito has very quickly compiled a huge amount of >>> Inkscape >>> tutorials! I think that now, they aren't quite as good as when he >>> first >>> started. Goes a little too fast now. And it drives me crazy that he >>> ALWAYS >>> calls the Selection tool, "the arrow tool". Even after I mentioned >>> it, he still >>> keeps saying it. But still, they are a free resource, and I think >>> they are >>> helpful for a LOT of Inkscape users. >>> Chris Hildenbrand's tutorials are mostly text tutorials. I >>> think only a >>> few are videos. Unless recently he's started using videos? But yes, >>> very good! >>> I haven't heard of Sids Art. I'll follow your link and check >>> it out. >>> Yes, those would certainly help to make the Video Tutorials >>> page more >>> current. I didn't understand you though. Did you mean to say that you >>> are >>> going to edit that page? If you want to help with the Inkscape >>> project, and >>> edit that page, we can give you permissions to edit the website. >>> >>> All best, >>> brynn >>> >>> -Original Message- From: Vardenis Pavardenis >>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 11:55 AM >>> To: brynn >>> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in >>> website >>> >>> >>> Hello, Brynn, >>> Thanks for
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website
Vardenis, can you please reply to the list? Depending on your email program, there are different ways to accomplish that, e.g. 'reply to all' is available for me, but you may need to paste the list into the address line yourself. Embedding should be okay, though - but you can ask Nick and heathenx and whoever you would like to include if they agree first. Or even invite them to upload them themselves, so they're linked to their own user account at inkscape.org, and can serve as some kind of 'entry point' for publicity for them. It might be that they're not too happy, if we put all their videos on the website, because it could be they generate income via their youtube pages... Asking is always nicer, in any case. Regards, Maren Am 03.01.2017 um 22:44 schrieb Vardenis Pavardenis: > Yes, Maren I'm think explains what Martin thought. (my English... :-() > Most of videos are in "Standard YouTube License" then it can't be > uploaded as resource in gallery. (Nick Soporito, even heathenxyt using.). > > > 03.01.2017, 23:38, "Maren Hachmann" : >> >> Am 03.01.2017 um 22:33 schrieb brynn: >> >> Oh, hi Maren :-) >> >> Did I do it right? Please look at text link >> "Inkscape-screencast2-Globe" which is the first under "with >> narration" >> for Richard Querin. >> >> Or did he mean to put it in the gallery, and I misunderstood? >> >> >> - Yes :) >> >> Thanks, >> brynn >> >> -Original Message- From: Maren Hachmann >> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 2:29 PM >> To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net >> <mailto:inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net> >> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in >> website >> >> Am 03.01.2017 um 20:45 schrieb brynn: >> >> First I should say that I'm not a frequent YT user or video >> watcher. >> Is there >> no copyright issue, to just grab a video and upload it? >> >> >> - Martin meant 'upload a link as a resource to the website' when he >> wrote 'upload'. Linking should be allowed in this case :) (standard >> youtube licence, I expect). >> >> Regards, >> Maren >> >> Thanks, >> brynn >> >> -Original Message- From: Martin Owens >> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 9:49 PM >> To: brynn ; Vardenis Pavardenis >> Cc: Inkscape-Docs >> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section >> in website >> >> Don't forget to upload each of the videos into the website, >> if you add >> the youtube video as the URL link it will embed the video and >> you can >> add text and other important information like the license (if >> there is >> one). >> >> This way videos can be collected onto these tutorial pages >> using the >> gallery widgets. >> >> Martin, >> >> On Mon, 2017-01-02 at 16:02 -0700, brynn wrote: >> >> No need to create a page. But if you want to make a list of >> tutorials, with a >> link to each one, I'll be glad to add them to that page. >> That page >> needs some >> attention besides current videos, too. I'm not sure how >> it got to be >> organized >> like it is, but I'm sure we could eliminate a lot of bullets. >> >> Thanks for your help, >> brynn >> >> -Original Message- From: Vardenis Pavardenis >> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 12:40 PM >> To: brynn >> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" >> section in >> website >> >> >> No, no (I don't have permissions and maybe someone don't >> agree with >> me). I'm not >> editing, I'm only discuss for now about "Video Tutorials" >> section, >> and I'm >> thinking Nick Saporito, Chris Hildenbrand, Sids Art >> tutorials can be >> more >> helpful than no
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website
Am 03.01.2017 um 22:49 schrieb brynn: > I'm so confused! We were talking about editing the Video Tutorials page. > But > now we are putting them in the gallery? - I wouldn't mind if some day, someone would decommission that page entirely... It's not a beautiful page, and the gallery can do it just as well, only with search, tags, ordering by quality, pagination, commenting ... I think that would be an improvement, and also make it easier for new videos to be added by their creators. But maybe that would be going too far? Regards, Maren > -Original Message- > From: Vardenis Pavardenis > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 2:47 PM > To: brynn > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website > > > https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/upload/ Resource Name, Descriptin, External > Link - In here YouTube Link as I understand. > > > 03.01.2017, 23:45, "brynn" : > > > I don't understand what this means: > > > > - He was rather asking to post a link as a resource. > > > > Thanks > > -Original Message- > From: Maren Hachmann > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 2:32 PM > To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website > > Am 03.01.2017 um 22:00 schrieb brynn: > > > Hi Vardenis, > I think I understand what you mean. You're thinking it would be > better > not to mix up video and text tutorials, in the gallery? Well, they already > are > mixed up in the gallery (https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/=tutorial/). > However, > you can choose to look at only text or only videos. See on the right column, > where it says "textual" and "video", black buttons with white text? > Although I'm not sure if that works, if the author did not put such a > tag when they uploaded?? Yeah, if you click on video, it's blank, as if there > were no videos. Is it possible to manually add those tags, to the video > tutorials? > > > > - Yes, they can be tagged just like any other item in the gallery. The > tags on the right are the 'official' ones, just like it works for the > extensions. > > (I'm addressing this reply to the list, since I have this question.) > > > But Martin is talking about something else, I think. He's asking to > have the videos embedded on the Video Tutorials page. > > > > - He was rather asking to post a link as a resource. The embedding will > work automatically. > > > > I haven't ever done that > before, or seen it. So I'm not sure what it will look like. > I'll try an example, using one of the heathenex vids, because I know > they have a free license. Then we can both see what it's going to look like. > I'll do it in just a few minutes. > But I still wonder about taking just any YT video and embedding it. > Are > all YT videos automatically public domain? > > > > - Nope, most are 'Standard Youtube Licence'. > > Regards, > Maren > > > > > Thanks, > brynn > > -Original Message- > From: Vardenis Pavardenis > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 1:11 PM > To: brynn > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website > > > I'm thinking maybe better just add link's to article (Video Tutorials) and > don't > upload all this videos as resources in gallery, tutorials section (current > video > tutorials only link's), because in gallery, tutorials is more text based than > videos, and I think if I would start uploading videos to tutorials category > (https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/=tutorial/), it would become a bit of a mess > and "Video Tutorials" category in websites loss of sense. What do you thinks? > > Sorry for my bad English language, Thanks. > > > 03.01.2017, 21:45, "brynn" : > > > First I should say that I'm not a frequent YT user or video watcher. Is there > no copyright issue, to just grab a video and upload it? > > Thanks, > brynn > > -Original Message- > From: Martin Owens > Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 9:49 PM > To: brynn ; Vardenis Pavardenis > Cc: Inkscape-Docs > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website > > Don't forget to upload each of the videos into the website, if you add > the youtube video as the URL link it will embed the video and you can > add text and other important information like the license (if there is > one). > > This way video
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website
Am 03.01.2017 um 23:02 schrieb brynn: > I think getting rid of that page would be fine, once I've had a chance > to contact all the tutorial authors (just like Neon22 is doing for > extensions) and we have a lot of tutorials loaded to the site. But > again, that's not something I can start on right away. - But Vardenis could, and there's no urgency at all. I wonder if he might prefer doing a task that will take the website forward, instead of a short-term fix? We could select the top 10 or so videos, if we still want to keep that page, then. It's much, much too long (and the field is still open, no decision was made). > But for the short term, we can make the Video Tutorials page a little > more current, and look better too. I'm not sure where all those bullets > came from. I think someone else must have edited after I did (years ago) > > But I'm still trying to understand what Martin meant. - He might have meant both at the same time, in preparation for the switch, not sure. Maren > Thanks > > -Original Message- From: Maren Hachmann > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 2:54 PM > To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website > > Am 03.01.2017 um 22:49 schrieb brynn: >> I'm so confused! We were talking about editing the Video Tutorials >> page. But >> now we are putting them in the gallery? > > - I wouldn't mind if some day, someone would decommission that page > entirely... It's not a beautiful page, and the gallery can do it just as > well, only with search, tags, ordering by quality, pagination, > commenting ... > > I think that would be an improvement, and also make it easier for new > videos to be added by their creators. > > But maybe that would be going too far? > > Regards, > Maren > >> -Original Message- From: Vardenis Pavardenis >> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 2:47 PM >> To: brynn >> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website >> >> >> https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/upload/ Resource Name, Descriptin, >> External >> Link - In here YouTube Link as I understand. >> >> >> 03.01.2017, 23:45, "brynn" : >> >> >> I don't understand what this means: >> >> >> >> - He was rather asking to post a link as a resource. >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> -Original Message- From: Maren Hachmann >> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 2:32 PM >> To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net >> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website >> >> Am 03.01.2017 um 22:00 schrieb brynn: >> >> >> Hi Vardenis, >> I think I understand what you mean. You're thinking it would be >> better >> not to mix up video and text tutorials, in the gallery? Well, they >> already >> are >> mixed up in the gallery (https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/=tutorial/). >> However, >> you can choose to look at only text or only videos. See on the right >> column, >> where it says "textual" and "video", black buttons with white text? >> Although I'm not sure if that works, if the author did not >> put such a >> tag when they uploaded?? Yeah, if you click on video, it's blank, as >> if there >> were no videos. Is it possible to manually add those tags, to the video >> tutorials? >> >> >> >> - Yes, they can be tagged just like any other item in the gallery. The >> tags on the right are the 'official' ones, just like it works for the >> extensions. >> >> (I'm addressing this reply to the list, since I have this question.) >> >> >> But Martin is talking about something else, I think. He's >> asking to >> have the videos embedded on the Video Tutorials page. >> >> >> >> - He was rather asking to post a link as a resource. The embedding will >> work automatically. >> >> >> >> I haven't ever done that >> before, or seen it. So I'm not sure what it will look like. >> I'll try an example, using one of the heathenex vids, because >> I know >> they have a free license. Then we can both see what it's going to look >> like. >> I'll do it in just a few minutes. >> But I still wonder about taking just any YT video and >> embedding it. >> Are >> all YT videos automatically public domain? >> >> >> >&
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website
Am 03.01.2017 um 23:50 schrieb Vardenis Pavardenis: > I'm thinking now about just editing this list, but Marten idea too > wonderful, but it's hard to achieve, but I try to contact some authors > of videos to upload videos in inkscape.org too. > Make list is a lot easer I think, and sure I can try (if it good, some > edit and update), about list I'm thinking first of all "Inkscape > Explained" > (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLynG8gQD-n8Byyq30_FOq9ylUFL1nTkGC > <https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLynG8gQD-n8Byyq30_FOq9ylUFL1nTkGC)>) > it's must know for all beginners(IMO), then some videos from beginner, > intermediate, logo design. how to draw from Sid Arts, game art/animation > from Chris Hildenbrand and if I found from others and paste (pastebin) > in here in format: > Author AuthorChannelUrl > with narration > VideoUrl > VideoDescription > > I'm think I can do that (beta. :-))) in few days or less. Deal? - Sounds wonderful to me :) I'm happy with any kind of update. If you like, you can already have a think about how you would layout the page. Brynn is right about the nested lists being not easy to look at. Regards, Maren > 04.01.2017, 00:37, "brynn" : >> >> So now you don't want to edit Video Tutorials page? Just so I'm clear >> what's >> happening. >> >> Thanks, >> brynn >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Vardenis Pavardenis >> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 3:22 PM >> To: Maren Hachmann ; brynn ; inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net >> <mailto:inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net> >> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website >> >> >> I Agree, it's better to contact to video authors and if authors agree >> to upload >> videos in website it would be wonderful and as Maren said in page Top >> 10 or >> something. Than i try to contact YouTubers who create videos and >> request that >> they upload too videos in inkscape.org website. :-) >> >> >> 04.01.2017, 00:07, "Maren Hachmann" > <mailto:ma...@goos-habermann.de>>: >> >> >> Am 03.01.2017 um 23:02 schrieb brynn: >> >> >> I think getting rid of that page would be fine, once I've had a chance >> to contact all the tutorial authors (just like Neon22 is doing for >> extensions) and we have a lot of tutorials loaded to the site. But >> again, that's not something I can start on right away. >> >> >> >> - But Vardenis could, and there's no urgency at all. I wonder if he >> might prefer doing a task that will take the website forward, instead of >> a short-term fix? We could select the top 10 or so videos, if we still >> want to keep that page, then. It's much, much too long (and the field is >> still open, no decision was made). >> >> >> >> But for the short term, we can make the Video Tutorials page a little >> more current, and look better too. I'm not sure where all those bullets >> came from. I think someone else must have edited after I did (years ago) >> >> But I'm still trying to understand what Martin meant. >> >> >> >> - He might have meant both at the same time, in preparation for the >> switch, not sure. >> >> Maren >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> -Original Message- From: Maren Hachmann >> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 2:54 PM >> To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net >> <mailto:inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net> >> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website >> >> Am 03.01.2017 um 22:49 schrieb brynn: >> I'm so confused! We were talking about editing the Video Tutorials >> page. But >> now we are putting them in the gallery? >> >> - I wouldn't mind if some day, someone would decommission that page >> entirely... It's not a beautiful page, and the gallery can do it just as >> well, only with search, tags, ordering by quality, pagination, >> commenting ... >> >> I think that would be an improvement, and also make it easier for new >> videos to be added by their creators. >> >> But maybe that would be going too far? >> >> Regards, >> Maren >> >> -Original Message- From: Vardenis Pavardenis >> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 2:47 PM >> To: brynn >> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website >> >> >> https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/up
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website
Am 04.01.2017 um 01:04 schrieb Vardenis Pavardenis: > Great. :-) I'm made simple ideas how to layout list of tutorials in > here: https://inkscape.org/en/paste/10565/ > <https://inkscape.org/en/paste/10565/Maybe> > Brynn, it's good for you after full list is done? Maybe anyone comments > about layout, ideas? :-) > Thanks. ;-) - Just an idea: Maybe rather not copy-paste the video description, but write something very short yourself? We can help with the wording, don't let language stop you ;-) The order of things looks good to me. Regards, Maren > 04.01.2017, 00:55, "Maren Hachmann" : >> >> Am 03.01.2017 um 23:50 schrieb Vardenis Pavardenis: >> >> I'm thinking now about just editing this list, but Marten idea too >> wonderful, but it's hard to achieve, but I try to contact some >> authors >> of videos to upload videos in inkscape.org too. >> Make list is a lot easer I think, and sure I can try (if it good, >> some >> edit and update), about list I'm thinking first of all "Inkscape >> Explained" >> >> (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLynG8gQD-n8Byyq30_FOq9ylUFL1nTkGC >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLynG8gQD-n8Byyq30_FOq9ylUFL1nTkGC)>) >> it's must know for all beginners(IMO), then some videos from >> beginner, >> intermediate, logo design. how to draw from Sid Arts, game >> art/animation >> from Chris Hildenbrand and if I found from others and paste >> (pastebin) >> in here in format: >> Author AuthorChannelUrl >> with narration >> VideoUrl >> VideoDescription >> >> I'm think I can do that (beta. :-))) in few days or less. Deal? >> >> >> - Sounds wonderful to me :) I'm happy with any kind of update. >> >> If you like, you can already have a think about how you would layout the >> page. Brynn is right about the nested lists being not easy to look at. >> >> Regards, >> Maren >> >> 04.01.2017, 00:37, "brynn" mailto:br...@frii.com>>: >> >> >> So now you don't want to edit Video Tutorials page? Just so >> I'm clear >> what's >> happening. >> >> Thanks, >> brynn >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Vardenis Pavardenis >> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 3:22 PM >> To: Maren Hachmann ; brynn ; >> inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net >> <mailto:inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net> >> <mailto:inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net >> <mailto:inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net>> >> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section >> in website >> >> >> I Agree, it's better to contact to video authors and if >> authors agree >> to upload >> videos in website it would be wonderful and as Maren said in >> page Top >> 10 or >> something. Than i try to contact YouTubers who create videos and >> request that >> they upload too videos in inkscape.org website. :-) >> >> >> 04.01.2017, 00:07, "Maren Hachmann" > <mailto:ma...@goos-habermann.de> >> <mailto:ma...@goos-habermann.de >> <mailto:ma...@goos-habermann.de>>>: >> >> >> Am 03.01.2017 um 23:02 schrieb brynn: >> >> >> I think getting rid of that page would be fine, once I've had >> a chance >> to contact all the tutorial authors (just like Neon22 is >> doing for >> extensions) and we have a lot of tutorials loaded to the >> site. But >> again, that's not something I can start on right away. >> >> >> >> - But Vardenis could, and there's no urgency at all. I wonder >> if he >> might prefer doing a task that will take the website forward, >> instead of >> a short-term fix? We could select the top 10 or so videos, if >> we still >> want to keep that page, then. It's much, much too long (and >> the field is >> still open, no decision was made). >> >> >> >> But for the short term, we can make the Video Tutorials
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Website, Debugging updated: Publish?
Thanks, Martin. Because of current website load, I'll wait a bit before I push the publish button. It doesn't work too well currently :/ Maren Am 04.01.2017 um 13:31 schrieb Martin Owens: > It should be live, sorry for the confusion. > > On Thu, 2016-12-29 at 20:42 +0100, Maren Hachmann wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Martin seems to have updated the debugging section a couple of days >> ago: >> https://inkscape.org/en/develop/debugging/?edit >> >> Was it intended to be published, or is it still a WIP? >> >> Maren >> >> --- >> --- >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> ___ >> Inkscape-docs mailing list >> Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs > -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-translator] Website / Wiki: Release translations
Hi everyone (including docs list website editors), okay, so the release is out :) What's problematic currently because of all the people visiting the website is the website performance. I've found that editing doesn't work for me, and publishing trials end up in server nirvana. I'll wait with making any further changes until it's calmer, maybe at night, when website traffic is low (I've gotten a couple of new shield images from Jabier). Or, if that doesn't suffice, then maybe a couple of days later. Next time, we should probably ask for a couple of additional days, so we have some time to prepare the website properly before the visitors DDOS the site ;-) Kind Regards, Maren Am 04.01.2017 um 03:01 schrieb Maren Hachmann: > Dear website and Wiki translators, > > for the pending release of Inkscape 0.92, a couple of things have been > updated, some of which are publicly accessible already, and some will be > shortly. > > We will need your help spreading the news for you language community :) > > When the new version is released (see inkscape-announce mailing list), > it would be great if you could contact your language's software / design > / open source communities' news outlets with some info about Inkscape > 0.92. The info you need to do so is available here: > > http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/AnnouncePlanning092#Informal_Announcement_Text > > (if you're contacting German or French news sites, note that there are > translations of the release notes available for linking) > > These are the pages that could use translation help, if you can do so: > > = > > Website changes (not public yet, please take care to not accidentally > publish anything before the release announcement was made): > > * https://inkscape.org/en/download/ - release notes link, version number > > * https://inkscape.org/en/download/linux/ - several changes, incl. above > > * https://inkscape.org/en/download/windows/ - files exchanged, version > number, release notes link > > * https://inkscape.org/en/download/mac-os/ - changed top paragraph, > including heading (Latest *available* version) > > * https://inkscape.org/en/download/source/ - version number, release > notes link, download link > > * https://inkscape.org/en/download/development-versions/ - moved > pre-release versions down > > * https://inkscape.org/en/ - bumped the version number in the shield > > * https://inkscape.org/en/learn/books/ - updated keyboard reference link > > * News Article (not published yet, thus no link) - it's almost the same > as the announcement, plus a lot of formatting. > > > = > > Wiki: > > * Release notes, pending change: will soon have a date. > http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Release_notes/0.92 > > * Announcement texts are finished and can be used to spread the news: > > http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/AnnouncePlanning092#Informal_Announcement_Text > > Thank you very much for all your help, > Kind Regards, > Maren > > -- > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > Inkscape-translator mailing list > inkscape-transla...@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-translator > -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website
Am 06.01.2017 um 10:45 schrieb Martin Owens: > P.S. Maren, I should check to make sure that our pages don't say "by > Username" when the item is "I have permission" instead of "I own this > work" ? *scratches head* Is there anything you're asking me to do here? I'm not sure I know which items you may be referring to, though... Regards, Maren -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website
Can't say that I can see why we'd take this route, when seemingly, we all agree that the page would be better off being replaced with a proper solution to the problem... We already had this situation once (where it was my fault), I don't like to see it repeated. Btw. anyone can add a link to an Inkscape tutorial video they like, and mark as 'Tutorial'. It needn't be the author (but it would be good to have them on board, of course). If someone needs help with how to do this, I'm available for explanations / step-by-steps. Maren Am 10.01.2017 um 20:37 schrieb brynn: >> * a custom image. > > I might make a couple of example bullets. Nothing fancy, because here, I > think > we need something subtle. If I make a custom bullets, I guess I would have > to > give you and/or Maren the file, so you can upload it. After that, how would > I > call on that custom bullet, when I’m want to use it? > > Yes, I like how you reorganized that page. That looks much better already. > > Maybe I can do the same thing. I mean, start experimenting on the current > page, > instead of waiting for Vardenis’ list. > > I have to leave for a dentist appointment in a few minutes, otherwise I’d > start > right now. Maybe tonight I can start. > > Thanks for the info Sylvain :-) > > PS - sorry if you're seeing blue text, I'm not sure what happened - didn't > know > plain text could have any color but black - working to fix :-) > > ___ > From: Sylvain Chiron > Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 9:27 AM > To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website > > Le 07/01/2017 à 04:49, brynn a écrit : >> I suppose there's no way to make a custom bullet, is there? I can >> see >> the list format working, with more subtle bullets. Maybe gray instead of >> black, or something else -- smaller bullets maybe? Sylvain, if you're >> watching >> this thread, maybe you know about that? I guess I've done it in the past, by >> list style. But I'm not sure how hard it would be to do on this website. > > https://css-tricks.com/almanac/properties/l/list-style/ > You can only have: > * a disc (default), > * a circle (default for nested list), > * a square (default for list nested several times), > * nothing, > * a custom image. > > I also think the page is ugly. > The first thing to do is to use more headings for the tree, at least for > authors, like here: > https://inkscape.org/fr/apprendre/tutoriels-video/ > I tried to remove the circles (leaving only the discs) but it looks like > the editor doesn’t allow `list-style`. > -- > Sylvain > > -- > Developer Access Program for Intel Xeon Phi Processors > Access to Intel Xeon Phi processor-based developer platforms. > With one year of Intel Parallel Studio XE. > Training and support from Colfax. > Order your platform today. http://sdm.link/xeonphi > ___ > Inkscape-docs mailing list > Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs > > > -- > Developer Access Program for Intel Xeon Phi Processors > Access to Intel Xeon Phi processor-based developer platforms. > With one year of Intel Parallel Studio XE. > Training and support from Colfax. > Order your platform today. http://sdm.link/xeonphi > ___ > Inkscape-docs mailing list > Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs > -- Developer Access Program for Intel Xeon Phi Processors Access to Intel Xeon Phi processor-based developer platforms. With one year of Intel Parallel Studio XE. Training and support from Colfax. Order your platform today. http://sdm.link/xeonphi ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website
Am 11.01.2017 um 04:00 schrieb brynn: > I think that page may need to exist into the future. Not all video > authors will want to go to the trouble to upload theirlinks. And > having this page will allow us to have a list of some of the best ones, > which are not in the gallery. - Anyone can add any video to the gallery. You can do so, too. We could have a 'featured' tag or something similar, too, if we want to designate 'the best'. But we can also just let the community decide what they like best, by voting on the items. Who knows with certainty what is helpful for others... > Although eventually, maybe it could be combined with the Text Tutorials > page. They won't be intermingled, just 2 separate section. Maybe - just > a thought. - I would go so far as to replace the text tutorials page, too... it's just causing translation work, with no additional benefit in comparison to a gallery page (for me). > As I've said before, I'm sure we can make it nicer to look at. > > Another thought - links to non-YouTube videos will work as well? vimeo, > e.g. - All links will work. For embedding, vimeo and youtube do work. Other providers can be added as needed. Regards, Maren > All best, > brynn > > -Original Message----- From: Martin Owens > Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 4:37 PM > To: Maren Hachmann ; inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website > > On Tue, 2017-01-10 at 21:21 +0100, Maren Hachmann wrote: >> Can't say that I can see why we'd take this route, when seemingly, we >> all agree that the page would be better off being replaced with a >> proper >> solution to the problem... >> We already had this situation once (where it was my fault), I don't >> like >> to see it repeated. >> >> Btw. anyone can add a link to an Inkscape tutorial video they like, >> and >> mark as 'Tutorial'. It needn't be the author (but it would be good to >> have them on board, of course). If someone needs help with how to do >> this, I'm available for explanations / step-by-steps. > > I'm really hoping my improvements which are yet to go in, will help get > links added correctly. > > Because really that page needs to not exist in the form it is. > > But who knows, I have hope the next website release will be met with > positive review. > > Best Regards, Martin Owens > > -- > > Developer Access Program for Intel Xeon Phi Processors > Access to Intel Xeon Phi processor-based developer platforms. > With one year of Intel Parallel Studio XE. > Training and support from Colfax. > Order your platform today. http://sdm.link/xeonphi > ___ > Inkscape-docs mailing list > Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs > -- Developer Access Program for Intel Xeon Phi Processors Access to Intel Xeon Phi processor-based developer platforms. With one year of Intel Parallel Studio XE. Training and support from Colfax. Order your platform today. http://sdm.link/xeonphi ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website
Am 11.01.2017 um 14:44 schrieb Vardenis Pavardenis: > Hello, > Matin Owens said: "Because really that page needs to not exist in the > form it is." and he doing website improvements. So, maybe just wait and > don't update if really this page change form from current form to new > form. Lessons list can be created easily, if something agrees with my > suggestion, but if the page really change whether it's worth it to build? > Hi Vardenis, - I find it would be extremely valuable to have an up-to-date, reviewed list of useful videos, which could then be added to the gallery. It's a lot of work to view them all, and then to categorize them, but I'm sure this would benefit many people. Just now I have answered a user question with a link to youtube - it would be so much better to answer it with a link to our gallery :) I would like it a lot to see them tagged with difficulty levels (Beginner, Intermediate, Advanced - just like Brynn does on her website for the text tutorials). As for tutorial series, it's maybe enough to add the first one in the row/difficulty level, and then tell people that there are tons of others, and roughly what topics they cover (at least, if the author of the series doesn't answer if they are okay with a curated set of their videos being embedded in the Inkscape website's gallery). Kind Regards, Maren > 11.01.2017, 05:22, "Maren Hachmann" : >> >> Am 11.01.2017 um 04:00 schrieb brynn: >> >> I think that page may need to exist into the future. Not all video >> authors will want to go to the trouble to upload theirlinks. And >> having this page will allow us to have a list of some of the best >> ones, >> which are not in the gallery. >> >> >> - Anyone can add any video to the gallery. You can do so, too. We could >> have a 'featured' tag or something similar, too, if we want to designate >> 'the best'. But we can also just let the community decide what they like >> best, by voting on the items. Who knows with certainty what is helpful >> for others... >> >> Although eventually, maybe it could be combined with the Text >> Tutorials >> page. They won't be intermingled, just 2 separate section. Maybe >> - just >> a thought. >> >> >> - I would go so far as to replace the text tutorials page, too... it's >> just causing translation work, with no additional benefit in comparison >> to a gallery page (for me). >> >> As I've said before, I'm sure we can make it nicer to look at. >> >> Another thought - links to non-YouTube videos will work as well? >> vimeo, >> e.g. >> >> >> - All links will work. For embedding, vimeo and youtube do work. Other >> providers can be added as needed. >> >> Regards, >> Maren >> >> All best, >> brynn >> >> -Original Message- From: Martin Owens >> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 4:37 PM >> To: Maren Hachmann ; inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net >> <mailto:inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net> >> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in >> website >> >> On Tue, 2017-01-10 at 21:21 +0100, Maren Hachmann wrote: >> >> Can't say that I can see why we'd take this route, when >> seemingly, we >> all agree that the page would be better off being replaced with a >> proper >> solution to the problem... >> We already had this situation once (where it was my fault), I >> don't >> like >> to see it repeated. >> >> Btw. anyone can add a link to an Inkscape tutorial video they >> like, >> and >> mark as 'Tutorial'. It needn't be the author (but it would be >> good to >> have them on board, of course). If someone needs help with >> how to do >> this, I'm available for explanations / step-by-steps. >> >> >> I'm really hoping my improvements which are yet to go in, will >> help get >> links added correctly. >> >> Because really that page needs to not exist in the form it is. >> >> But who knows, I have hope the next website release will be met with >> positive review. >> >> Best Regards, Martin Owens >> >> >> -
Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website
:) Those kinds of pages are rare nowadays. People aren't used to see them a lot anymore. > The > visitor can quickly scan the page for the category they need. Rather > than a gallery entry, where you can only seewhat is it, 20 at once. > And you have to search for your catagory, where if you don't already > know the terminology of what you're looking for, you won't be very > successful finding it. And the website speed.well, I hope we get > more space sooner than later. - I hope so, too. And more RAM :) > If and when we get more server space, could we host our own video > tutorials? Or is it never in the plans? I think it would make the > website even better. (And of course, not depending on other websites > for content is a plus.) - That's difficult to do, because video files are so large. Also, we'd get more people to find them if they're hosted on a website like youtube. And most uploaders use those public services anyway. Uploading twice is a lot to ask, it takes a long time to upload a video, depending upon your internet connection. Hope this helps a bit, Regards, Maren > > Thanks, > brynn > > > > -Original Message- From: Vardenis Pavardenis > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 6:44 AM > To: Maren Hachmann ; brynn ; Martin Owens ; > inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website > > > Hello, > Matin Owens said: "Because really that page needs to not exist in the > form it is." and he doing website improvements. So, maybe just wait and > don't update if really this page change form from current form to new > form. Lessons list can be created easily, if something agrees with my > suggestion, but if the page really change whether it's worth it to build? > > > 11.01.2017, 05:22, "Maren Hachmann" : > > > Am 11.01.2017 um 04:00 schrieb brynn: > > > I think that page may need to exist into the future. Not all video > authors will want to go to the trouble to upload theirlinks. And > having this page will allow us to have a list of some of the best ones, > which are not in the gallery. > > > > - Anyone can add any video to the gallery. You can do so, too. We could > have a 'featured' tag or something similar, too, if we want to designate > 'the best'. But we can also just let the community decide what they like > best, by voting on the items. Who knows with certainty what is helpful > for others... > > > > Although eventually, maybe it could be combined with the Text Tutorials > page. They won't be intermingled, just 2 separate section. Maybe - just > a thought. > > > > - I would go so far as to replace the text tutorials page, too... it's > just causing translation work, with no additional benefit in comparison > to a gallery page (for me). > > > > As I've said before, I'm sure we can make it nicer to look at. > > Another thought - links to non-YouTube videos will work as well? vimeo, > e.g. > > > > - All links will work. For embedding, vimeo and youtube do work. Other > providers can be added as needed. > > Regards, > Maren > > > > All best, > brynn > > -Original Message- From: Martin Owens > Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 4:37 PM > To: Maren Hachmann ; inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website > > On Tue, 2017-01-10 at 21:21 +0100, Maren Hachmann wrote: > Can't say that I can see why we'd take this route, when seemingly, we > all agree that the page would be better off being replaced with a > proper > solution to the problem... > We already had this situation once (where it was my fault), I don't > like > to see it repeated. > > Btw. anyone can add a link to an Inkscape tutorial video they like, > and > mark as 'Tutorial'. It needn't be the author (but it would be good to > have them on board, of course). If someone needs help with how to do > this, I'm available for explanations / step-by-steps. > > I'm really hoping my improvements which are yet to go in, will help get > links added correctly. > > Because really that page needs to not exist in the form it is. > > But who knows, I have hope the next website release will be met with > positive review. > > Best Regards, Martin Owens > > -- > > > Developer Access Program for Intel Xeon Phi Processors > Access to Intel Xeon Phi processor-based developer
Re: [Inkscape-docs] news editing
Yes, definitely. Copying directly from an email breaks it, if the email client has support for some kind of (html) formatting (happened with the other unpublished article, too, when Martin copied from his email client...). Anything that is copied into the website into a field that uses some kind of formatting with an extra editor (WYSIWYG), needs to be copied from a pure text handling instance, like notepad, kate, gedit, or even the search or address bar in the browser (that's usually the fastest way to remove formatting), unless you *want* monospace fonts, or a text that is difficult to edit ;-) Maren Am 17.02.2017 um 06:10 schrieb Martin Owens: > Hi Brynn, > > Not sure why that's going wrong for you. > > Pop the editor into HTML mode and check the code directly. Maybe the > paste caused some weird tags that's confusing the editor. > > Best Regards, Martin Owens > > On Thu, 2017-02-16 at 20:44 -0700, brynn wrote: >> Hi Martin and/or Maren, >> I'm trying to make a quick News item using Bryce's 0.92.1 >> announcement. >> I'm trying to make "Regression Fixes" into h4 heading. I highlight >> those 2 >> words, and choose h4 heading from the Paragraph Format dropdown >> menu. But it >> keeps changing the entire page to h4! >> Is there something new about the editor that I haven't >> learned about >> yet? >> Maybe it has something to do with having been copied from >> email, and >> pasted directly into the editor? Maybe I need to type it in >> fresh? At least I >> already know I have to re-do the links, so they use the proper codes. >> Well, I'll be limping along, by changing the html directly, >> until I hear >> from one of you (it's getting late for family households). >> >> Thanks, >> brynn >> >> >> --- >> --- >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> ___ >> Inkscape-docs mailing list >> Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs > > -- > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > Inkscape-docs mailing list > Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs > -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] news editing
Yes, please do. The article is so far from what I would have had in mind that I'd only be tempted to write one / to criticize (and I want neither). Regards, Maren Am 18.02.2017 um 10:17 schrieb brynn: > Thanks guys. I figured everything out, and finished it. Sometimes I > call out for support before I've explored everything that I should. I > have my email set for plain text only, so that's what happened. > > Bryce suggested a proofread by Maren. If you don't want to, I'll do > another proof myself, then go ahead and publish. > > Thanks again, > brynn > > -Original Message- From: Maren Hachmann > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 11:49 AM > To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] news editing > > Yes, definitely. Copying directly from an email breaks it, if the email > client has support for some kind of (html) formatting (happened with the > other unpublished article, too, when Martin copied from his email > client...). > > Anything that is copied into the website into a field that uses some > kind of formatting with an extra editor (WYSIWYG), needs to be copied > from a pure text handling instance, like notepad, kate, gedit, or even > the search or address bar in the browser (that's usually the fastest way > to remove formatting), unless you *want* monospace fonts, or a text that > is difficult to edit ;-) > > Maren > > Am 17.02.2017 um 06:10 schrieb Martin Owens: >> Hi Brynn, >> >> Not sure why that's going wrong for you. >> >> Pop the editor into HTML mode and check the code directly. Maybe the >> paste caused some weird tags that's confusing the editor. >> >> Best Regards, Martin Owens >> >> On Thu, 2017-02-16 at 20:44 -0700, brynn wrote: >>> Hi Martin and/or Maren, >>> I'm trying to make a quick News item using Bryce's 0.92.1 >>> announcement. >>> I'm trying to make "Regression Fixes" into h4 heading. I highlight >>> those 2 >>> words, and choose h4 heading from the Paragraph Format dropdown >>> menu. But it >>> keeps changing the entire page to h4! >>> Is there something new about the editor that I haven't >>> learned about >>> yet? >>> Maybe it has something to do with having been copied from >>> email, and >>> pasted directly into the editor? Maybe I need to type it in >>> fresh? At least I >>> already know I have to re-do the links, so they use the proper codes. >>> Well, I'll be limping along, by changing the html directly, >>> until I hear >>> from one of you (it's getting late for family households). >>> >>> Thanks, >>> brynn >>> >>> >>> --- >>> --- >>> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >>> engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >>> ___ >>> Inkscape-docs mailing list >>> Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs >> >> -- >> >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> ___ >> Inkscape-docs mailing list >> Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs >> > > > -- > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > Inkscape-docs mailing list > Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs > -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] website issue
I hope this isn't an issue on db level, and that our backups are working... (I'm pulling one from the cms every day, mentioning just in case). Doesn't contain any images, though. Btw., Brynn, for new issues you can now use this address: https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape-web/issues Maren Am 21.02.2017 um 02:52 schrieb brynn: > Something weird is happening with the website. I'm not quite sure how to > explain it. Images are missing (except in the gallery) and all links, even > text > links, are blue spheres. > > Just in case you didn't notice yet. I waited half an hour, to make sure it > wasn't a momentary glitch. > > All best, > brynn > > > -- > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > Inkscape-docs mailing list > Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs > -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] website issue
Made a report, but I suspect Martin already knew about it. He's currently working on updating the website, after it has moved to gitlab. This entrailed a couple of other updates that had been put on hold, and I assume one of those caused the issue. Maren Am 21.02.2017 um 03:10 schrieb Maren Hachmann: > I hope this isn't an issue on db level, and that our backups are working... > (I'm pulling one from the cms every day, mentioning just in case). > Doesn't contain any images, though. > > Btw., Brynn, for new issues you can now use this address: > https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape-web/issues > > Maren > > > Am 21.02.2017 um 02:52 schrieb brynn: >> Something weird is happening with the website. I'm not quite sure how to >> explain it. Images are missing (except in the gallery) and all links, even >> text >> links, are blue spheres. >> >> Just in case you didn't notice yet. I waited half an hour, to make sure it >> wasn't a momentary glitch. >> >> All best, >> brynn >> >> >> -- >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> ___ >> Inkscape-docs mailing list >> Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs >> > > > -- > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > Inkscape-docs mailing list > Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs > -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] Any chance we can make some docs material? (targeting the moon)
Would it make sense to use gitlab's new subgroups feature for this? The inkscape-docs team could be a sub-team of Inkscape, that way. There are only 4 members as of now, so changing wouldn't be so difficult as it might be later on. Maren > Am 28.04.2017 um 16:14 schrieb Martin Owens: >> On Fri, 2017-04-28 at 12:39 +0100, C R wrote: >>> I'd love to quit my job and just do docs. :) Unfortunately, that's >>> what it would probably take to get docs going to the extent we'd >>> like. >>> It's been discussed before, but never gone anywhere because of lack >>> of time/hands involved. >>> >>> Yes, we should use Scribus to do it. In fact, it should probably be a >>> github project to attract contributors. This way we can patch what >>> needs to be patched when stuff changes in subsequent releases. >> >> Sounds like you have a solid step one Chris. >> >> Here's the inkscape-docs group on gitlab, EVERYONE should join, there >> should be a button to join: >> >> https://gitlab.com/inkscape-docs >> >> And here's the new book/manual/docs project where files can be put: >> >> https://gitlab.com/inkscape/manuals >> >> I recommend using the wiki attached to the project to plan the >> adventure slowly. Add a bit at a time and don't rush to have something >> "complete" but have something small produced. >> >> Best Regards, Martin Owens >> >> >> -- >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> ___ >> Inkscape-devel mailing list >> inkscape-de...@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel >> > -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] Any chance we can make some docs material? (targeting the moon)
Great :) I think, in this context, it makes sense to also link to the thread on the translators mailing list, where many of us have already been discussing the issue, and started to investigate options. https://sourceforge.net/p/inkscape/mailman/inkscape-translator/thread/CAPOH7%3DZn3sWhZ%3D1DDB-1FUp%2BQUZzrLmyy7iOFiL1VcfY0maG9g%40mail.gmail.com/#msg35807172 Victor (who initiated the thread) has already written about his findings about Sphinx there, and he also linked to a list on github, where different documentation systems are listed (sorry, your latest email is still on my todo list, Victor). Elisa has mentioned the Booktype instance of flossmanualsfr, as far as I remember. Regards, Maren Am 29.04.2017 um 00:17 schrieb Martin Owens: > On Sat, 2017-04-29 at 00:01 +0200, Maren Hachmann wrote: >> Would it make sense to use gitlab's new subgroups feature for this? >> >> The inkscape-docs team could be a sub-team of Inkscape, that way. >> There >> are only 4 members as of now, so changing wouldn't be so difficult as >> it >> might be later on. > > Agreed. > > I've moved everything around and re-added the members to the group. > > Project is now: https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape-docs/manuals > Group is now: https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape-docs > > Best Regards, Martin Owens > -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] Any chance we can make some docs material? (targeting the moon)
Am 29.04.2017 um 10:05 schrieb C R: > I have requested access to the gitlab repo. Once allowed, I'll drop a > Scribus document in there with a cover, and the master pages with some > initial styling for the document. I'll also do a README file with an > initial layout/contents proposal based on some of the ideas here. > > To my mind, the most useful thing would be getting an inkscape > quick-start guide going as the preface. This way users can start > making use of the document right away. > > We may also want to publish each section of the book as a pdf as we go > along, so users don't have to clone our repos just to get the > information. :) > > Contributors should also be aware that it's not okay to copy/paste > content from blogs, tutorials, etc. For this document, everything must > be re-written from scratch, and all screen captures, graphics etc. > must be of our own making and cc0 (public domain). Anyone not > interested in contributing 100% public domain content, should not > contribute to this project. - For a printable book, this sounds like a good idea :D For a more 'scientific' manual, I think it's not suitable to do this in Scribus, and that we should turn to a proven documentation software. I've heard that Scribus performance drops dramatically with the number of pages. How would you go about translatating the book? I strongly disagree with CC0 - I would only contribute to something that where attribution and copyleft are honored. It's fine to pull content from properly licenced sources, imho, too. There are quick start guides with good licences - this would make the process a lot faster, if it wouldn't need to be written from scratch, but only modified. So yeah, count me out :) Maren > -C > > > > On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 12:01 AM, Maren Hachmann > wrote: >> Great :) >> >> I think, in this context, it makes sense to also link to the thread on >> the translators mailing list, where many of us have already been >> discussing the issue, and started to investigate options. >> >> https://sourceforge.net/p/inkscape/mailman/inkscape-translator/thread/CAPOH7%3DZn3sWhZ%3D1DDB-1FUp%2BQUZzrLmyy7iOFiL1VcfY0maG9g%40mail.gmail.com/#msg35807172 >> >> Victor (who initiated the thread) has already written about his findings >> about Sphinx there, and he also linked to a list on github, where >> different documentation systems are listed (sorry, your latest email is >> still on my todo list, Victor). >> >> Elisa has mentioned the Booktype instance of flossmanualsfr, as far as I >> remember. >> >> Regards, >> Maren >> >> Am 29.04.2017 um 00:17 schrieb Martin Owens: >>> On Sat, 2017-04-29 at 00:01 +0200, Maren Hachmann wrote: >>>> Would it make sense to use gitlab's new subgroups feature for this? >>>> >>>> The inkscape-docs team could be a sub-team of Inkscape, that way. >>>> There >>>> are only 4 members as of now, so changing wouldn't be so difficult as >>>> it >>>> might be later on. >>> >>> Agreed. >>> >>> I've moved everything around and re-added the members to the group. >>> >>> Project is now: https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape-docs/manuals >>> Group is now: https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape-docs >>> >>> Best Regards, Martin Owens >>> >> >> >> -- >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> ___ >> Inkscape-devel mailing list >> inkscape-de...@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel > -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] Any chance we can make some docs material? (targeting the moon)
7 at 8:04 PM, C R wrote: >>>> Books done in Scribus can be "published" in a variety of ways, >>> >>> >>> Yes, I understand that. But I thought Victor was talking about a hardback >>> book, like at the link he provided. That kind of book is hard to get >>> published, unless you have some prior agreement with a publisher. At least >>> that's my understanding. >> >> We can self-publish, but we'd have to order a thousand copies, which >> would take some startup funds. I don't think hardback would be >> necessary. >> In fact, I don't imagine printing is necessary. We could render out a >> nice illustration of the book, with "ebook" under it, and people can >> enjoy the aesthetic without downing a bunch of trees to make physical >> copies of the manual. Virtual copies have great things like >> hyperlinks, and text search capabilities. So there are more benefits >> to having a digital copy anyway. >> >>> Somewhere in this thread was some discussion about licensing. If this is to >>> be a hardback book (old fashioned way of publishing) *to me* it makes more >>> sense to carry a copyright. >> >> The only requirement for a published physical book is an isbn number >> (for product catalog, and inventory purposes). The license of the >> book, as I understand it, is left completely open to the authors. We >> would not have this published by a company interested in owning the >> copyright, of course. >> >>> As far as I understand, publishers take a cut >>> of sales. And if it's a public domain content, there wouldn't be many >>> sales. It seems like it would make it even harder to find a publisher. >> >> A publisher isn't necessary for this project, assuming the content is >> what's important. If we want book sales out of this, that's the point >> where it will become an issue. >> >>> I don't know, maybe I'm old and old fashioned. But the FLOSS manual, on the >>> other hand, certainly should be either public domain, or CC-BY-NC-SA might >>> be better. Whatever it needs to have, to allow the community to edit. >> >> All I can guarantee is that my contributions will be public domain. :) >> >>> This is probably a bad idea. But I'm trying to think outside the box. What >>> if I (or other non-French-speaker) took one of the French pages, and sent it >>> through the public google and/or bing translators. I know those are far >>> from perfect. (So far!) But since I know Inkscape, it seems like it >>> would give me enough of a clue what it's about, to be able to write it >>> properly in English. >> >> Well, translation plus proof-reading is fine I'd think. It's not like >> the subject matter would be alien to you. :) Fact is, you could easily >> re-write from scratch the missing sections in English, then we would >> be able to use it in our own "official" Inkscape manual too. >> >>> Then maybe the translators can proof read it, to make sure something >>> important wasn't missed? Proof reading would seem to be much less >>> time-consuming for them. >>> >>> Would that work?? >>> >>> All best, >>> brynn >> >> >> As I understand it, the Inkscape Project has nothing to do with >> flossmanuals, so perhaps it's beyond the scope of this project. >> >>> >>> -Original Message- From: C R >>> Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 9:54 AM >>> To: brynn >>> Cc: Inkscape-Docs ; Inkscape Devel List ; Maren Hachmann ; Victor Westmann >>> >>> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Any chance we can make some docs material? >>> (targeting the moon) >>> >>>> I don't mean to slow anyone's roll here. But wouldn't it make more sense >>>> to put >>>> any kind of energy towards documentation into the much discussed, direly >>>> needed, >>>> user-focused, step by step manual? Rather than starting from scratch on a >>>> whole >>>> different kind of project? >>> >>> >>> Yea, this actually makes a lot of sense as a first step. >>> >>>> There are many books out there already, which amount to a series of >>>> tutorials. >>>> It's not a bad thing. I just think this kind of project is better suited >>>> for a >>>> single author, or maybe a small team. And I think t
Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] Any chance we can make some docs material? (targeting the moon)
Am 30.04.2017 um 11:39 schrieb C R: > > > I also think this is not the same as a manual, which should be quick to > browse, quick to grasp, with lots of interlinks, with a file format > suitable for version control (well, yes, Scribus is xml, I've been told, > so it would be /readable/ - but those diffs are really ugly), with > out-of-the-box automated generation of online versions of a manual - as > can be done with tools like sphinx/readthedocs, doctype, and other tools > > > Martin and I are thinking gitlab + markdown will suffice for the basis > of contribution, and we can worry about scribus and doc publishing later. > - This sounds to me like it would be duplicating work, when automated systems exist, but aren't used from the start. > > Also, it would be good if things like the keyboard+mouse reference and > other stuff we already have could be included. > > > Probably should use markdown code to identify key shortcuts in plain > text. Makes them easier to edit, diff, and provides an easy way to add > new ones. - Yes, but we could copy the structure and contents, which are both good. I certainly don't know all the shortcuts by heart. And there are many that aren't listed in the keys.xml file. > Also, crediting people for their work is just > something that makes them more willing to contribute (as stated above). > CC-By would lose that, after the first iteration, as far as my > understanding of the licence goes. > > > We get into the territory of having to edit each and every diagram or > screen capture. It's messy. I think a better credit would be to have a > contributor page for those who contribute the most. If that's > insufficient credit, I think people might be contributing for the wrong > reasons. > - I fully agree that a general 'Credits' page would be sufficient. The Inkscape website contents is dual licenced, too. And we do not have individual credits for each page, word, image, link or whatever. It would be very difficult to do that anyway. Do you think that poses a problem? If someone wants to know specifically, a git blame would be sufficient to find out (this wouldn't work for the website's CMS, though)... > Some of the people involved in flossmanualsfr are also long-time > contributors to and developers of Inkscape, so that's the relation. > > > But you see how the licensing gets in the way? We can't use any of it > now. People wanted credit more than they wanted to have the contents be > reusable. GPL is for software. People try to rewrite for content, but > that's not what it's for. Worse, it imposes more restrictions than CC-BY. - We could, if we used GPL... It doesn't prevent translation or modification. And we can ask, as Martin suggested. > I think it's best to say something like: "Unless otherwise stated, all > content in this book is CC0, Public Domain." Then, those who require > attribution can include it in the caption below the graphics. - That's certainly possible. However, I wouldn't contribute text or proofreading or maintenance help under these circumstances. There are many things that I have published as CC0 (Public Domain is impossible in Germany, because there are certain moral rights, such as 'authorship' that one cannot give up, even if one wanted to). But a manual that is made for an open source, copyleft software should fit the philosophy, in my opinion. I care about attributing work to the people who did it, and I don't want that someone who comes along to grab what they did can just deprive them of it. Regards, Maren -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] Any chance we can make some docs material? (targeting the moon)
We can do both :) (and even combine them). I've been thinking we're exploring options. I'll make a suggestion shortly. I only wish Nicolas or Elisa could be here to give us some more in-depth info about their server's capabilities and their book's licencing. Kind Regards, Maren Am 01.05.2017 um 07:07 schrieb brynn: > I'm confused -- I missed a step somewhere. > > Are we no longer talking about translating the French manual on FLOSS > Manuals? > > Or are you talking about something else entirely? > > Sorry to be so simple-minded. > > Thanks, > brynn > > -Original Message- From: C R > Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2017 3:39 AM > To: Maren Hachmann > Cc: Victor Westmann ; inkscape-devel ; Inkscape-Docs ; brynn > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Any chance we can make some docs material? > (targeting the moon) > > I also think this is not the same as a manual, which should be quick to > browse, quick to grasp, with lots of interlinks, with a file format > suitable for version control (well, yes, Scribus is xml, I've been told, > so it would be /readable/ - but those diffs are really ugly), with > out-of-the-box automated generation of online versions of a manual - as > can be done with tools like sphinx/readthedocs, doctype, and other tools > > Martin and I are thinking gitlab + markdown will suffice for the basis > of contribution, and we can worry about scribus and doc publishing later. > > Also, it would be good if things like the keyboard+mouse reference and > other stuff we already have could be included. > > Probably should use markdown code to identify key shortcuts in plain > text. Makes them easier to edit, diff, and provides an easy way to add > new ones. > > Also, crediting people for their work is just > something that makes them more willing to contribute (as stated above). > CC-By would lose that, after the first iteration, as far as my > understanding of the licence goes. > > > We get into the territory of having to edit each and every diagram or > screen capture. It's messy. I think a better credit would be to have a > contributor page for those who contribute the most. If that's > insufficient credit, I think people might be contributing for the wrong > reasons. > > Some of the people involved in flossmanualsfr are also long-time > contributors to and developers of Inkscape, so that's the relation. > > But you see how the licensing gets in the way? We can't use any of it > now. People wanted credit more than they wanted to have the contents be > reusable. GPL is for software. People try to rewrite for content, but > that's not what it's for. Worse, it imposes more restrictions than CC-BY. > > I think it's best to say something like: "Unless otherwise stated, all > content in this book is CC0, Public Domain." Then, those who require > attribution can include it in the caption below the graphics. > > The NC licence is maybe a bit overprotective, but I'm all for crediting > and having a manual be available for anyone who needs it. > > Yes, let's not do NC. The point of this is to get it into as many hands > as possible. People want a bit of money to handle printing and > distribution, let them. It's less work for the project and more free > publicity. > > -C > > Maren > > Am 29.04.2017 um 21:22 schrieb C R: >> Also this: http://write.flossmanuals.net/inkscape/ >> >> On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 8:04 PM, C R wrote: >>>>> Books done in Scribus can be "published" in a variety of ways, >>>> >>>> >>>> Yes, I understand that. But I thought Victor was talking about a >>>> hardback >>>> book, like at the link he provided. That kind of book is hard to get >>>> published, unless you have some prior agreement with a publisher. >>>> At least >>>> that's my understanding. >>> >>> We can self-publish, but we'd have to order a thousand copies, which >>> would take some startup funds. I don't think hardback would be >>> necessary. >>> In fact, I don't imagine printing is necessary. We could render out a >>> nice illustration of the book, with "ebook" under it, and people can >>> enjoy the aesthetic without downing a bunch of trees to make physical >>> copies of the manual. Virtual copies have great things like >>> hyperlinks, and text search capabilities. So there are more benefits >>> to having a digital copy anyway. >>> >>>> Somewhere in this thread was some discussion about licensing. If >>&g
Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] Any chance we can make some docs material? (targeting the moon)
Am 01.05.2017 um 07:19 schrieb brynn: >> @Brynn: if you want to help with the translation of that 'intro' book, > you could, for example, make corresponding screenshots for it, of the > English version. You could also get an account on that site, and explain > to others who speak both French and English how it works, and what they > would need to do to join. Or write a news article asking for translators > who would like to help. > Also, you could add a 'Credits' page at the end, which seems to be > missing still. > And, of course, you can proofread and edit. Sylvain has already > translated quite a bit. > > Thanks Maren. I'll jump right in, as much as possible. But I don't > understand this part: > > "make corresponding screenshots for it" > > Screenshots for what purpose? - The English screenshots need to be made. The original book is in French and has French screenshots, with French menus and maybe example texts in French (don't know for sure), as far as I know. Some may not need any translation, because there may not be any words in them, but others will. They could be inserted into the corresponding chapters, even if there is no text yet. > Getting an account on FLOSS Manuals goes without saying, once the > translation is finished and we can go ahead updating and expanding. But > I'll be in the same boat as potential new translators, for learning how > it works. I won't be in a position to help newcomers, until I've had a > little experience myself. > > Credits page -- the first page gives all the credits. Is something more > needed? - Ah, yes, I've found it now, thanks. It's here: https://fr.flossmanuals.net/start-with-inkscape/about-this-book/ (not first page, though) Maren > Proofreading -- I've read several pages already, and the English is > flawless so far! But before I go on, I'd like to hear if anyone else is > proofreading, so we don't waste our collective time. > > Actually, because of our previous discussions, I've been waiting for > Sylvain to let me know when something is ready for proofing. I could > still do it anyway. But maybe I'll message him and ask. > > All best, > brynn > > -Original Message- From: Maren Hachmann > Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 4:29 PM > To: C R ; brynn > Cc: Inkscape-Devel ; Inkscape-Docs ; Victor Westmann > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Any chance we can make some docs material? > (targeting the moon) > > Hi all, > > oh, wow, I've just been offline for a couple of hours - wouldn't have > expected that, if finally someone gives the 'go' for a manual, there > would be such a huge echo (we've been discussing this on and off for a > /very/ long time already). That's just cool :D > > Just some comments to various things that were mentioned: > > @CR: I think Scribus is a great tool for making the kind of graphical, > polished, sellable, printable, book-with-columns-like structure which > was linked in that very first link. For something that is really nice to > look at, and is fun to read and touch. > > I also think this is not the same as a manual, which should be quick to > browse, quick to grasp, with lots of interlinks, with a file format > suitable for version control (well, yes, Scribus is xml, I've been told, > so it would be /readable/ - but those diffs are really ugly), with > out-of-the-box automated generation of online versions of a manual - as > can be done with tools like sphinx/readthedocs, doctype, and other tools > specifically tailored for open source documentation + gitlab CI. > You can take a look at the link from Victor's message to the mailing > list, if you would like to know more: > https://sourceforge.net/p/inkscape/mailman/message/35773618/ > > Even the booktype server of flossmanuals works with automation. > Using one of those would also have the advantage that, once set up, this > system could be used for both developer as well as user documentation > (as Victor wrote in his post - and I agree with him). > > As for the attribution, I think especially the book-like structure would > profit from it, as I believe that artists may be more likely to > contribute their drawings if those are - at least - credited to them. > > Also, it would be good if things like the keyboard+mouse reference and > other stuff we already have could be included. It's faster that way. > Faster also means: quicker rewards. This is good if you want to have > many contributors. Also, crediting people for their work is just > something that makes them more willing to contribute (as stated above). > CC-By would lose that, after the first i
Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] Any chance we can make some docs material? (targeting the moon)
Am 01.05.2017 um 08:34 schrieb brynn: >> I think google translate might cause more issues than solve them - but > it has been getting better... I personally find that correcting a badly > messed-up text which already gives me some 'scheme' tends to give worse > translations, than when there is no scaffolding. It's because the > machine translation is kind of giving the direction. It may be faster, > but the translation sounds less natural. > > No, I don't mean to leave it to where anyone would have a clue that any > kind of automated translator was used. I don't mean to paste in the > translation, and make a couple of small edits. > > What I mean is to use the translation just to give me an idea what's on > that page. Since I know Inkscape so well, I could write that page of > the manual. I can use pages which are already translated to keep the > same format. - Ah, yes. That's also what CR suggested, and it's a good idea :) > And when I use google or bing, I never just leave it with what one of > them tells me. I use both. And when they invariably give different > answers, I take the different words or phrases and send them back > through the translator, to find out which one is the closest to what I > mean. > > (You should have seen what happened when I used them to post a message > on Framasoft's French forum! You know, we were using Framapad, and > needed some help. They call each document a "pad". Like a notepad. So > when I sent the translation back through, I saw that google had other > ideas about what is a "pad"!) - LOL... ;-D > Well anyway, it can't hurt to try one page. If it goes badly, then I'll > give up. - Ah no, don't give up after just the first trial! If Sylvain or one of the others who already worked with it, have some time, maybe they'd be willing to give some assistance. They also have mailing lists. Regards, Maren > All best, > brynn > > -Original Message- From: Maren Hachmann > Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 4:29 PM > To: C R ; brynn > Cc: Inkscape-Devel ; Inkscape-Docs ; Victor Westmann > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Any chance we can make some docs material? > (targeting the moon) > > Hi all, > > oh, wow, I've just been offline for a couple of hours - wouldn't have > expected that, if finally someone gives the 'go' for a manual, there > would be such a huge echo (we've been discussing this on and off for a > /very/ long time already). That's just cool :D > > Just some comments to various things that were mentioned: > > @CR: I think Scribus is a great tool for making the kind of graphical, > polished, sellable, printable, book-with-columns-like structure which > was linked in that very first link. For something that is really nice to > look at, and is fun to read and touch. > > I also think this is not the same as a manual, which should be quick to > browse, quick to grasp, with lots of interlinks, with a file format > suitable for version control (well, yes, Scribus is xml, I've been told, > so it would be /readable/ - but those diffs are really ugly), with > out-of-the-box automated generation of online versions of a manual - as > can be done with tools like sphinx/readthedocs, doctype, and other tools > specifically tailored for open source documentation + gitlab CI. > You can take a look at the link from Victor's message to the mailing > list, if you would like to know more: > https://sourceforge.net/p/inkscape/mailman/message/35773618/ > > Even the booktype server of flossmanuals works with automation. > Using one of those would also have the advantage that, once set up, this > system could be used for both developer as well as user documentation > (as Victor wrote in his post - and I agree with him). > > As for the attribution, I think especially the book-like structure would > profit from it, as I believe that artists may be more likely to > contribute their drawings if those are - at least - credited to them. > > Also, it would be good if things like the keyboard+mouse reference and > other stuff we already have could be included. It's faster that way. > Faster also means: quicker rewards. This is good if you want to have > many contributors. Also, crediting people for their work is just > something that makes them more willing to contribute (as stated above). > CC-By would lose that, after the first iteration, as far as my > understanding of the licence goes. > > Some of the people involved in flossmanualsfr are also long-time > contributors to and developers of Inkscape, so that's the relation. > > The other, English, outdated, manu
Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] Any chance we can make some docs material? (targeting the moon)
Hi Nicolas :D, thank you! What I would like to know (and what is now buried deep in the email stream) is: - How does version control work for booktype? Could it be combined with a git repository, or does it use a fully independent system? (I couldn't find a direct hint, maybe it's just using the django database to keep track of changes/edits?) - What is the source file format of booktype? Markdown? (guessing from the requirements for pip) Regards, Maren Am 01.05.2017 um 21:08 schrieb Nicolas Dufour: > Hi all, > > I'm just back from two weeks away, and as the thread is very long now > I didn't find time to read everything. Sorry if I'm off-topic. > > Le Lundi 1 mai 2017 13h07, Maren Hachmann a > écrit : >> I only wish Nicolas or Elisa could be here to give us some more >> in-depth > >> info about their server's capabilities > > > Not sure what you mean. Of course the Inkscape project can use the > French FM server for the translation, but note that an English > version also exists (http://write.flossmanuals.net/). It would > probably be easier to work on the English server directly. > > >> and their book's licencing. > > If I remember correctly, the GPLv2 was the first license that was > chosen when the FM project was created about 10 years ago, and some > books still use it. But the server allows users to choose a different > license when creating a new book (CC, GPL, PD). As for the Inkscape > book, I see it's under a GPLv3. I don't know if it can be changed > (and how) or not. Elisa could probably give more details. > > Regards, -- Nicolas > -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] Any chance we can make some docs material? (targeting the moon)
Am 02.05.2017 um 09:13 schrieb brynn: ... > If it needs screenshots that are close up, showing a drawing, I could do > that. But anything showing dialogs, it would not be a good idea, imo. > > But I'll have a go at using a translator. And if I see any places where > I can make a screenshot ready, I'll do that too. > - Sounds great :) Thank you, Brynn! Maren > Sorry about getting the page wrong. Not 2 minutes after I sent the > message, I realized it was not the first page. Oh well. > > All best, > brynn > > -Original Message- From: Maren Hachmann > Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 5:06 AM > To: brynn ; C R > Cc: Inkscape-Devel ; Inkscape-Docs ; Victor Westmann > Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Any chance we can make some docs material? > (targeting the moon) > > Am 01.05.2017 um 07:19 schrieb brynn: >>> @Brynn: if you want to help with the translation of that 'intro' book, >> you could, for example, make corresponding screenshots for it, of the >> English version. You could also get an account on that site, and explain >> to others who speak both French and English how it works, and what they >> would need to do to join. Or write a news article asking for translators >> who would like to help. >> Also, you could add a 'Credits' page at the end, which seems to be >> missing still. >> And, of course, you can proofread and edit. Sylvain has already >> translated quite a bit. >> >> Thanks Maren. I'll jump right in, as much as possible. But I don't >> understand this part: >> >> "make corresponding screenshots for it" >> >> Screenshots for what purpose? > > - The English screenshots need to be made. The original book is in > French and has French screenshots, with French menus and maybe example > texts in French (don't know for sure), as far as I know. Some may not > need any translation, because there may not be any words in them, but > others will. > > They could be inserted into the corresponding chapters, even if there is > no text yet. > >> Getting an account on FLOSS Manuals goes without saying, once the >> translation is finished and we can go ahead updating and expanding. But >> I'll be in the same boat as potential new translators, for learning how >> it works. I won't be in a position to help newcomers, until I've had a >> little experience myself. >> >> Credits page -- the first page gives all the credits. Is something more >> needed? > > - Ah, yes, I've found it now, thanks. It's here: > https://fr.flossmanuals.net/start-with-inkscape/about-this-book/ (not > first page, though) > > Maren > >> Proofreading -- I've read several pages already, and the English is >> flawless so far! But before I go on, I'd like to hear if anyone else is >> proofreading, so we don't waste our collective time. >> >> Actually, because of our previous discussions, I've been waiting for >> Sylvain to let me know when something is ready for proofing. I could >> still do it anyway. But maybe I'll message him and ask. >> >> All best, >> brynn >> >> -Original Message- From: Maren Hachmann >> Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 4:29 PM >> To: C R ; brynn >> Cc: Inkscape-Devel ; Inkscape-Docs ; Victor Westmann >> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Any chance we can make some docs material? >> (targeting the moon) >> >> Hi all, >> >> oh, wow, I've just been offline for a couple of hours - wouldn't have >> expected that, if finally someone gives the 'go' for a manual, there >> would be such a huge echo (we've been discussing this on and off for a >> /very/ long time already). That's just cool :D >> >> Just some comments to various things that were mentioned: >> >> @CR: I think Scribus is a great tool for making the kind of graphical, >> polished, sellable, printable, book-with-columns-like structure which >> was linked in that very first link. For something that is really nice to >> look at, and is fun to read and touch. >> >> I also think this is not the same as a manual, which should be quick to >> browse, quick to grasp, with lots of interlinks, with a file format >> suitable for version control (well, yes, Scribus is xml, I've been told, >> so it would be /readable/ - but those diffs are really ugly), with >> out-of-the-box automated generation of online versions of a manual - as >> can be done with tools like sphinx/readthedocs, doctype, and other tools >> specifical
Re: [Inkscape-docs] License for the new manual
(this is not a direct reply to the last email by Brynn, just generally to this new licence thread) @Brynn / CR: I think the term copyright does not mean the same as 'All rights reserved'. Copyright is just an umbrella term for all of them. Just look at the Inkscape files: (line 10) http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~inkscape.dev/inkscape/0.92.x/view/head:/src/inkscape.cpp#L10 @Brynn/CR/Martin: Yes, the Intro book at flossmanuals is licenced GPLv3. But: I have asked if the licence could be changed/amended, to include CC-By-SA (you may have missed that in the stream). Only the author hasn't answered yet. Jazzynico said he would contact her. So we are waiting for her answer, before we can decide to pursue / not pursue that road. @everyone: FTR, I prefer CC-By-SA for a manual, too. If the Intro book cannot be licenced as CC-By-SA for some reason, then translating it would get a lower priority for me, and finding other resources for a start would rise in priority, but it's still worth being translated, because it is a good book, with a very nice tone and approach. If someone asked me to write an Inkscape manual and to release it into PD (which is impossible, being German... we cannot cast off the moral rights, even if we want to, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_rights#In_Europe), CC0 is possible, though) I wouldn't do it. I do use that license for small artwork, and I would use it for stuff where it cannot be enforced anyway, or which is of humanitary nature. But here, no lives depend on it, and I want to make sure that people's work is credited, and that all derivatives of the manual may be shared freely. Not just /most/, but *all*. @Brynn: (question from last email) Probably if the teaching material doesn't use the same licence. But it's still possible to use different licences for different parts, as long as you make a note of that, and don't mix them completely, as far as I know. So, I don't see an issue, rather a chance that more teaching materials might choose a good licence ;-) (I'd like to see more teachers and students use Inkscape, btw.) Maren Am 02.05.2017 um 20:42 schrieb brynn: > I'm not very knowledgable about licensing or licenses. But what part of > GPL prohibits any of the 4 things you listed? > > All best, > brynn > > -Original Message- From: C R > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2017 11:23 AM > To: Brynn > Cc: inkscape-devel ; Maren Hachmann ; Inkscape-Docs ; Nicolas Dufour ; > Sylvain Chiron > Subject: Re: License for the new manual > > > > Going to simplify a bit: > >> From my perspective anyone should be able to take parts of the >> official inkscape > manual and: > 1. Modify it, update it, correct it > 2. Combine it with other teaching content (rules out GPL3, GPL2, and > CC-BY-SA) > 3. Use it in commercial products, or part of a compilation of manuals > (Rules out CC-BY-NC-SA) > 4. Use it any other way they like, because it's just tutorials for using > Inkscape, and anyone who wants to learn or spread the word about > Inkscape should be able to do so however they like. There's literally no > wrong way to do that. :) > > imho we should avoid licenses that were not made for documentation > entirely (GPL anything). > > > Thoughts about this? > -C > > > > On 2 May 2017 3:57 p.m., "brynn" wrote: > Retitled - "License for the new manual" (was "Any chance we can make > some docs.") Also copying in Sylvain, since he's been working on > translation. I know there's another translator, but I can't seem to > open the manual today, to look it up. So if someone knows who that is, > please copy them in to this new thread. > > We should sort out what license we will offer the new manual under as > a first step, before starting any work. We need to reach a consensus > before work can proceed. > > Well, considering work has already started on the manual (the > translating part), we might be a little behind the 8 ball. But I agree > that we need to nail down the license asap. > > Retitling this to start the discussion. > > Also, according to > https://fr.flossmanuals.net/start-with-inkscape/about-this-book/ > This document is GPL v3. > I recommend against choosing this license, as it requires all other > content used along with the parts of it to be gpl 3, which is > unnecessarily restrictive, especially for a document of this type. > > Well that's the same license as Inkscape. How is it too restrictive? > > For me, the main point is that it needs a license that will allow anyone > to edit it. We can't get stuck with an outdated manual and have no way > to edit it (as a community), ever again. > > All best, > brynn > > -
Re: [Inkscape-docs] License for the new manual
With the 'good licence' I meant CC-By-SA, sorry for the confusion. Maren Am 02.05.2017 um 21:11 schrieb Maren Hachmann: > (this is not a direct reply to the last email by Brynn, just generally > to this new licence thread) > > @Brynn / CR: I think the term copyright does not mean the same as 'All > rights reserved'. Copyright is just an umbrella term for all of them. > Just look at the Inkscape files: > (line 10) > http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~inkscape.dev/inkscape/0.92.x/view/head:/src/inkscape.cpp#L10 > > @Brynn/CR/Martin: Yes, the Intro book at flossmanuals is licenced GPLv3. > But: I have asked if the licence could be changed/amended, to include > CC-By-SA (you may have missed that in the stream). Only the author > hasn't answered yet. Jazzynico said he would contact her. So we are > waiting for her answer, before we can decide to pursue / not pursue that > road. > > @everyone: FTR, I prefer CC-By-SA for a manual, too. If the Intro book > cannot be licenced as CC-By-SA for some reason, then translating it > would get a lower priority for me, and finding other resources for a > start would rise in priority, but it's still worth being translated, > because it is a good book, with a very nice tone and approach. > > If someone asked me to write an Inkscape manual and to release it into > PD (which is impossible, being German... we cannot cast off the moral > rights, even if we want to, see > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_rights#In_Europe), CC0 is possible, > though) I wouldn't do it. I do use that license for small artwork, and I > would use it for stuff where it cannot be enforced anyway, or which is > of humanitary nature. > But here, no lives depend on it, and I want to make sure that people's > work is credited, and that all derivatives of the manual may be shared > freely. Not just /most/, but *all*. > > @Brynn: (question from last email) Probably if the teaching material > doesn't use the same licence. But it's still possible to use different > licences for different parts, as long as you make a note of that, and > don't mix them completely, as far as I know. So, I don't see an issue, > rather a chance that more teaching materials might choose a good licence > ;-) (I'd like to see more teachers and students use Inkscape, btw.) > > Maren > > Am 02.05.2017 um 20:42 schrieb brynn: >> I'm not very knowledgable about licensing or licenses. But what part of >> GPL prohibits any of the 4 things you listed? >> >> All best, >> brynn >> >> -Original Message- From: C R >> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2017 11:23 AM >> To: Brynn >> Cc: inkscape-devel ; Maren Hachmann ; Inkscape-Docs ; Nicolas Dufour ; >> Sylvain Chiron >> Subject: Re: License for the new manual >> >> >> >> Going to simplify a bit: >> >>> From my perspective anyone should be able to take parts of the >>> official inkscape >> manual and: >> 1. Modify it, update it, correct it >> 2. Combine it with other teaching content (rules out GPL3, GPL2, and >> CC-BY-SA) >> 3. Use it in commercial products, or part of a compilation of manuals >> (Rules out CC-BY-NC-SA) >> 4. Use it any other way they like, because it's just tutorials for using >> Inkscape, and anyone who wants to learn or spread the word about >> Inkscape should be able to do so however they like. There's literally no >> wrong way to do that. :) >> >> imho we should avoid licenses that were not made for documentation >> entirely (GPL anything). >> >> >> Thoughts about this? >> -C >> >> >> >> On 2 May 2017 3:57 p.m., "brynn" wrote: >> Retitled - "License for the new manual" (was "Any chance we can make >> some docs.") Also copying in Sylvain, since he's been working on >> translation. I know there's another translator, but I can't seem to >> open the manual today, to look it up. So if someone knows who that is, >> please copy them in to this new thread. >> >> We should sort out what license we will offer the new manual under as >> a first step, before starting any work. We need to reach a consensus >> before work can proceed. >> >> Well, considering work has already started on the manual (the >> translating part), we might be a little behind the 8 ball. But I agree >> that we need to nail down the license asap. >> >> Retitling this to start the discussion. >> >> Also, according to >> https://fr.flossmanuals.net/start-with-inkscape/about-this-book/ >> This docum
Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] Any chance we can make some docs material? (targeting the moon)
Thanks again, Nicolas! Booktype 2.x (and its predecessor) definitely looks nice, seems to be easy to use and to produce quality output. I'm compiling a list of the different options atm. with pros and cons. Maren Am 01.05.2017 um 22:08 schrieb Nicolas Dufour: > > Le Lundi 1 mai 2017 21h28, Maren Hachmann a > écrit : >> - How does version control work for booktype? Could it be combined >> with a git repository, or does it use a fully independent system? >> (I couldn't find a direct hint, maybe it's just using the django >> database to keep track of changes/edits?) > > > As far as I can tell, everything (except the attached documents, e.g. > images embedded in the chapters) is stored in a database. Each > version of a chapter is stored with a revision number and can be > compared with any other revision of the same chapter (the user > interface looks like a wikimedia version history page). So I'm not > sure using git to store the content (the database dump?) is a good > idea here. > >> - What is the source file format of booktype? Markdown? (guessing >> from the requirements for pip) > > > No, Booktype uses an online wysiwyg editor to edit the books and save > the chapters in HTML directly. > > Note that both the English and French Flossmanuals servers still use > an old (1.6.1) Booktype version, and things may have changed in the > new 2.x branch (officially launched last year). > > Regards, -- Nicolas > -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] Any chance we can make some docs material? (targeting the moon)
Hi, sorry for the delay. I've been trying things out a bit, and I feel I haven't seen enough yet, but I won't have time tomorrow, so posting anyway now. So, it seems that what we still need for a manual (any kind) is a platform to create it (not only write, but also output to different formats). I have had a chance to look at 3 different platforms on my list, and I'm trying to outline the pros and cons, as I perceive them, please add yours to the list. There are many more platforms in existance (see also: https://github.com/PharkMillups/beautiful-docs#generating-docs), and if anyone here has some experience with them, please add. * - Gitlab Wiki + X, as suggested by Martin. WHAT: An online Wiki on gitlab with a source code editor, associated with a gitlab project. PROS: - custom-made to suit the project's individual needs (no specifics yet) - Preview functionality CONS: - only (limited set of) Markdown, RDoc or AsciiDoc - limited formatting options, formatting not so much about 'roles' of formatted text, but more about 'looks' - the backend isn't written yet - no option for branches via interface (so we could start writing for trunk, and continue fixing for stable) - no direct translation support - support for the backend depends upon a single individual, no user community - no WYSIWYG editor - no GUI access to git repo, for managing where to put uploaded files etc. - no GUI for undoing a change (like in a 'normal' Wiki), or looking at a diff EXAMPLE (frontend): https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape-web/wikis/home * - Gitlab Editor + Sphinx / readthedocs: WHAT: A git repository with an online source code editor and documentation update on readthedocs.org on save (i.e. commit). PROS: - available quickly (didn't know how it works exactly, but got it all up and running with test content within an evening) - uses git and reStructured Text - allows to have branches, so devel version features can be documented when they are coded - supports translations (not entirely sure how, though, haven't tested it yet, wanted to send this email instead. E.g. Django docs are translated. Fallback to English if no translation of a document. I think they use different branches.) - free theming, separately for each output format - free hosting, can also use our own domain name with readthedocs.org, e.g. docs.inkscape.org - after installing some programs, tool chain runs locally - preview via gitlab editor or local editor - same toolchain can be used for developer documentation (includes code documentation from docstrings) - extensible via plugins (haven't had a chance to take a closer look yet or test any) - I think it's possible to add a 'edit this page on gitlab' link to each page, to get new contributors, even when using readthedocs.org (not tested, but read that others did similar things) - extremely wide range of export formats via plugins - infinite hierarchy nesting - syntax highlighting (e.g. for command line usage instructions, or extension writers) - video embedding (not tested) CONS: - learning curve for admin (theming, plugins,...) - learning curve for editors (syntax, workflow) - no WYSIWYG editor, only preview (incomplete, because doesn't support all sphinx stuff) EXAMPLE: - repository: https://gitlab.com/Moini/inkscape-extensions-multi-bool/tree/master/docs - rendered documentation: http://inkscape-multi-bool-extension.readthedocs.io/en/latest/index.html * - Booktype: WHAT: A web portal for creating books, hosted by friends of the Inkscape project. PROS: - available right now, no further setup required - best interface by far, easy and intuitive to use - team functions, user roles, chat - prevents concurrent editing - wide range of export and import formats - support for themes/settings for specific export formats (e.g. different font sizes etc.) - free hosting and maintenance via flossmanuals(fr) - community of experienced documentors CONS: - confinement to django database for version control, more difficult to get data out of it again for editing - no direct translation support (make a copy of the book, copy changes over after doing a comparison in the history) - limited versioning support (only the latest one can be edited) - we'd need to ask someone to add CC-By-SA licence (currently, the options I got were CC-By, GPL. I guess this would be quick and easy to solve.) EXAMPLE (rendered documentation): https://www.flossmanualsfr.net/initiation-inkscape/ * All of them would be FLOSS, have support for internal linking, allow to insert images and allow editing via browser. * I wish it were possible to combine the ease of use of the booktype frontend with the portability, branch support, sustainability and versatility of the gitlab/sphinx/readthedocs backend... (In
Re: [Inkscape-docs] License for the new manual
Am 03.05.2017 um 19:07 schrieb Sylvain Chiron: > Le 02/05/2017 à 16:57, brynn a écrit : >> I know there's another translator, but I can't seem to >> open the manual today, to look it up. So if someone knows who that is, >> please copy them in to this new thread. > > The other translator is Hinerangi. But she could not invest the > translation actively, so it is suspended again — :/. - Sylvain, if you would be okay with adapting the licence of your translation, too, could you contact Hinerangi about the licencing (if she made any changes, that is), so we can base our efforts on your and Hinerangi's translations? (even if Elisa changed hers, that doesn't mean that you /have/ to change it, because you 'forked' before the licence changed - but it would be nice :)) Kind Regards, Maren >>> Also, according to >>> https://fr.flossmanuals.net/start-with-inkscape/about-this-book/ >>> This document is GPL v3. >>> I recommend against choosing this license, as it requires all other >>> content used along with the parts of it to be gpl 3, which is >>> unnecessarily restrictive, especially for a document of this type. > > Yes, it is a weird choice — :). > -- > Sylvain > -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] License for the new manual
Am 05.05.2017 um 15:28 schrieb Sylvain Chiron: > Le 02/05/2017 à 16:57, C R a écrit :> Also, according to >> https://fr.flossmanuals.net/start-with-inkscape/about-this-book/ >> >> This document is GPL v3. >> I recommend against choosing this license, as it requires all other >> content used along with the parts of it to be gpl 3, which is >> unnecessarily restrictive, especially for a document of this type. > Le 03/05/2017 à 23:00, Maren Hachmann a écrit : >> - Sylvain, if you would be okay with adapting the licence of your >> translation, too, could you contact Hinerangi about the licencing (if >> she made any changes, that is), so we can base our efforts on your and >> Hinerangi's translations? >> >> (even if Elisa changed hers, that doesn't mean that you /have/ to change >> it, because you 'forked' before the licence changed - but it would be >> nice :)) > > Yes… What are the steps? We just have to change the detail in the ‘About > this book’ chapter? > -- > Sylvain > - When exploring flossmanualsfr, I noticed there are two places where a licence can be indicated: 1. in the book's settings 2. in the book's contents Do you have access to the settings? Maren -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] License for the new manual
Merci! :D (was Hinerangi's consent required?) Maren Am 05.05.2017 um 16:13 schrieb C R: > Thanks Sylvain! > > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:11 PM, Sylvain Chiron > wrote: >> Le 05/05/2017 à 16:02, Maren Hachmann a écrit : >>> - When exploring flossmanualsfr, I noticed there are two places where a >>> licence can be indicated: >>> >>> 1. in the book's settings >>> 2. in the book's contents >> >> Yes. I have made the change. >> -- >> Sylvain > -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
Re: [Inkscape-docs] website moderation policy final
Am 05.05.2017 um 18:04 schrieb brynn: > Hi Friends, >It seems like this last message about moderation policy got > buried in all the recent important chatter. So I'm re-sending the most > vital parts of it, so we can finish this up. For convenience, > https://inkscape.org/community/coc/ And here's the suggested change: - Sorry, yes. Thank you :) > I wonder about adding "Inkscape Project"? Such as: > "Content uploaded to the gallery should be related to Inkscape or the > Inkscape Project (e.g. created" > That would cover things like a website graphics or page mockup, board > meeting transcript, etc. - I think that would express it perfectly. Good idea! Maren -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs
