Array sort procedure using asp or jsp
I have a two-dimensional array with 16 columns and 1 or more records based on the results of a search. I want to give the searchers the ability to sort on one of 14 of the columns. The 15th column opens the document and is used in the href to open the document. The 16th column contains a composite of the information in the first 14 columns. They open the document by clicking on the information composite. What is the fastest and least memory hog way to go about this procedure? Should the array be stored in a session variable that is closed once they are done looking at the information, as they may do numerous searches while in one session? I want to give them the capability of doing a different type of sort from any results page that they may be on, as I am showing them only 25 results per page. TIA, Keith E. Kosmicki Applications Consultant State of IL Human Services STL Technology Partners ==To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: signoff JSP-INTEREST. For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST. Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.jsp http://www.jguru.com/faq/index.jsp http://www.jspinsider.com
Re: Array sort procedure using asp or jsp
Data is in MS Access tables and yes we have the SELECT statement. Users want to be able to sort just as though their in Access but on a webpage. Thanx, Keith E. Kosmicki Applications Consultant State of IL Human Services STL Technology Partners David Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/18/02 02:56PM Keith, What is the fastest and least memory hog way to go about this procedure? Should the array be stored in a session variable that is closed once they are done looking at the information, as they may do numerous searches while in one session? I want to give them the capability of doing a different type of sort from any results page that they may be on, as I am showing them only 25 results per page. How are you filling the array? If it's using SQL you could do something like: SELECT FROM table WHERE [ condition clauses ] SORT BY table.field LIMIT 25 ...also you might consider that session variables get stored somewhere and if it's a large system with many users all storing your arrays, albeit temporarily, you could have a space management issues. DSL -- I'm sure you'll see there's more to Martin Guerre than a name! (From the musical, Martin Guerre) -- LinuxSA WWW: http://www.linuxsa.org.au/ IRC: #linuxsa on irc.openprojects.net To unsubscribe from the LinuxSA list: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject ==To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: signoff JSP-INTEREST. For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST. Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.jsp http://www.jguru.com/faq/index.jsp http://www.jspinsider.com
Re: Array sort procedure using asp or jsp
Keith, Finally, data is in MS access or in a array??? Bye, fsm -Mensaje original- De: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] En nombre de KEITH KOSMICKI Enviado el: Lunes, 18 de Noviembre de 2002 18:16 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: Re: Array sort procedure using asp or jsp Data is in MS Access tables and yes we have the SELECT statement. Users want to be able to sort just as though their in Access but on a webpage. Thanx, Keith E. Kosmicki Applications Consultant State of IL Human Services STL Technology Partners David Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/18/02 02:56PM Keith, What is the fastest and least memory hog way to go about this procedure? Should the array be stored in a session variable that is closed once they are done looking at the information, as they may do numerous searches while in one session? I want to give them the capability of doing a different type of sort from any results page that they may be on, as I am showing them only 25 results per page. How are you filling the array? If it's using SQL you could do something like: SELECT FROM table WHERE [ condition clauses ] SORT BY table.field LIMIT 25 ...also you might consider that session variables get stored somewhere and if it's a large system with many users all storing your arrays, albeit temporarily, you could have a space management issues. DSL -- I'm sure you'll see there's more to Martin Guerre than a name! (From the musical, Martin Guerre) -- LinuxSA WWW: http://www.linuxsa.org.au/ IRC: #linuxsa on irc.openprojects.net To unsubscribe from the LinuxSA list: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject = To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: signoff JSP-INTEREST. For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST. Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.jsp http://www.jguru.com/faq/index.jsp http://www.jspinsider.com === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: signoff JSP-INTEREST. For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST. Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.jsp http://www.jguru.com/faq/index.jsp http://www.jspinsider.com
Re: Array sort procedure using asp or jsp
The data is in MS Access and we want to preview it in an array layout on a webpage which then can be sorted by one of the first 14 columes. Thank you, Keith E. Kosmicki Applications Consultant State of IL Human Services STL Technology Partners [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/18/02 04:37PM Keith, Finally, data is in MS access or in a array??? Bye, fsm -Mensaje original- De: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] En nombre de KEITH KOSMICKI Enviado el: Lunes, 18 de Noviembre de 2002 18:16 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: Re: Array sort procedure using asp or jsp Data is in MS Access tables and yes we have the SELECT statement. Users want to be able to sort just as though their in Access but on a webpage. Thanx, Keith E. Kosmicki Applications Consultant State of IL Human Services STL Technology Partners David Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/18/02 02:56PM Keith, What is the fastest and least memory hog way to go about this procedure? Should the array be stored in a session variable that is closed once they are done looking at the information, as they may do numerous searches while in one session? I want to give them the capability of doing a different type of sort from any results page that they may be on, as I am showing them only 25 results per page. How are you filling the array? If it's using SQL you could do something like: SELECT FROM table WHERE [ condition clauses ] SORT BY table.field LIMIT 25 ...also you might consider that session variables get stored somewhere and if it's a large system with many users all storing your arrays, albeit temporarily, you could have a space management issues. DSL -- I'm sure you'll see there's more to Martin Guerre than a name! (From the musical, Martin Guerre) -- LinuxSA WWW: http://www.linuxsa.org.au/ IRC: #linuxsa on irc.openprojects.net To unsubscribe from the LinuxSA list: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject = To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: signoff JSP-INTEREST. For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST. Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.jsp http://www.jguru.com/faq/index.jsp http://www.jspinsider.com === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: signoff JSP-INTEREST. For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST. Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.jsp http://www.jguru.com/faq/index.jsp http://www.jspinsider.com ==To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: signoff JSP-INTEREST. For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST. Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.jsp http://www.jguru.com/faq/index.jsp http://www.jspinsider.com
Re: Array sort procedure using asp or jsp
Ok. You can make it with asp. First, you must do an sql statement, then you take the data from the database and with a method named GETROWS create an array with the information. I think that many sql statements generate different ways to sort. (for example: sql=. ORDER BY x) The only that you must change is the parameter for ORDER BY. I hope that help you. Sorry for my english, but my language is spanish. Fsm. -Mensaje original- De: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] En nombre de KEITH KOSMICKI Enviado el: Lunes, 18 de Noviembre de 2002 19:41 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: Re: Array sort procedure using asp or jsp The data is in MS Access and we want to preview it in an array layout on a webpage which then can be sorted by one of the first 14 columes. Thank you, Keith E. Kosmicki Applications Consultant State of IL Human Services STL Technology Partners [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/18/02 04:37PM Keith, Finally, data is in MS access or in a array??? Bye, fsm -Mensaje original- De: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] En nombre de KEITH KOSMICKI Enviado el: Lunes, 18 de Noviembre de 2002 18:16 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: Re: Array sort procedure using asp or jsp Data is in MS Access tables and yes we have the SELECT statement. Users want to be able to sort just as though their in Access but on a webpage. Thanx, Keith E. Kosmicki Applications Consultant State of IL Human Services STL Technology Partners David Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/18/02 02:56PM Keith, What is the fastest and least memory hog way to go about this procedure? Should the array be stored in a session variable that is closed once they are done looking at the information, as they may do numerous searches while in one session? I want to give them the capability of doing a different type of sort from any results page that they may be on, as I am showing them only 25 results per page. How are you filling the array? If it's using SQL you could do something like: SELECT FROM table WHERE [ condition clauses ] SORT BY table.field LIMIT 25 ...also you might consider that session variables get stored somewhere and if it's a large system with many users all storing your arrays, albeit temporarily, you could have a space management issues. DSL -- I'm sure you'll see there's more to Martin Guerre than a name! (From the musical, Martin Guerre) -- LinuxSA WWW: http://www.linuxsa.org.au/ IRC: #linuxsa on irc.openprojects.net To unsubscribe from the LinuxSA list: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject = To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: signoff JSP-INTEREST. For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST. Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.jsp http://www.jguru.com/faq/index.jsp http://www.jspinsider.com === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: signoff JSP-INTEREST. For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST. Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.jsp http://www.jguru.com/faq/index.jsp http://www.jspinsider.com = To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: signoff JSP-INTEREST. For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST. Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.jsp http://www.jguru.com/faq/index.jsp http://www.jspinsider.com === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: signoff JSP-INTEREST. For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST. Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://archives.java.sun.com/jsp-interest.html http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.jsp http://www.jguru.com/faq/index.jsp http://www.jspinsider.com
ASP vs. JSP
Hello Which one will be more popular in future ASP or JSP? Any url that has excellent comparison. Thanks Regards Aftab === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: signoff JSP-INTEREST. For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST. Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
Re: ASP vs. JSP
I quess will be better to ask which will be more popular in the future ASP+ or JSP, because actually JSP is better than ASP for almost any point of view (speed, extensibility, facilities, productivity, portability ...); -Original Message- From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Aftab Ahmad Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 1:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ASP vs. JSP Hello Which one will be more popular in future ASP or JSP? Any url that has excellent comparison. Thanks Regards Aftab == = To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: signoff JSP-INTEREST. For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST. Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: signoff JSP-INTEREST. For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST. Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
Re: ASP vs. JSP
ASP will take the market in the near future, consider the characterisitcs of the newest generation of microsoft tools and OS, native java support for their very own versions, besides jsp are very much linked to oralce and sun microsistems so microsoft will start to get them the same way they did with netscape... so I think. On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, Aftab Ahmad wrote: Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 11:44:10 +0100 From: Aftab Ahmad [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ASP vs. JSP Hello Which one will be more popular in future ASP or JSP? Any url that has excellent comparison. Thanks Regards Aftab === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: signoff JSP-INTEREST. For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST. Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: signoff JSP-INTEREST. For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST. Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
Re: ASP vs. JSP
Thinking in Microsoft way :) Quality - no, marketing - yes; -Original Message- From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of webmaster Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 4:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ASP vs. JSP ASP will take the market in the near future, consider the characterisitcs of the newest generation of microsoft tools and OS, native java support for their very own versions, besides jsp are very much linked to oralce and sun microsistems so microsoft will start to get them the same way they did with netscape... so I think. On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, Aftab Ahmad wrote: Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 11:44:10 +0100 From: Aftab Ahmad [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ASP vs. JSP Hello Which one will be more popular in future ASP or JSP? Any url that has excellent comparison. Thanks Regards Aftab == = To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: signoff JSP-INTEREST. For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST. Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets == = To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: signoff JSP-INTEREST. For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST. Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: signoff JSP-INTEREST. For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST. Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
AW: ASP vs. JSP
As long as .NET is tied to the windows plattform, JSP has the advantage to run on a lot of plattforms. And even if .NET will be ported to other plattforms than windows, .NET will not be plattform indepented...(the win32 API is too close to be ignored...) so ASP and JSP will share the market. ASP takes the small business and small web-shops, while JSP covers large e-commerce and entire web-applications. -Ursprungliche Nachricht- Von: webmaster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. August 2001 15:17 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: ASP vs. JSP ASP will take the market in the near future, consider the characterisitcs of the newest generation of microsoft tools and OS, native java support for their very own versions, besides jsp are very much linked to oralce and sun microsistems so microsoft will start to get them the same way they did with netscape... so I think. On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, Aftab Ahmad wrote: Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 11:44:10 +0100 From: Aftab Ahmad [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ASP vs. JSP Hello Which one will be more popular in future ASP or JSP? Any url that has excellent comparison. Thanks Regards Aftab === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: signoff JSP-INTEREST. For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST. Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: signoff JSP-INTEREST. For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST. Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: signoff JSP-INTEREST. For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST. Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
Re: ASP vs. JSP
You obviously don't have a single clue what you're talking about. JSP linked to Oracle give me a break. and what do you mean with 'native java support' I thought they were omitting the (version 1.1) java support? 'ASP will take the market' ??? again stupid. It already has the market. Asp is much bigger than JSP, but it's losing it's position. Geert Van Damme -Original Message- From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of webmaster Sent: dinsdag 14 augustus 2001 15:17 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ASP vs. JSP ASP will take the market in the near future, consider the characterisitcs of the newest generation of microsoft tools and OS, native java support for their very own versions, besides jsp are very much linked to oralce and sun microsistems so microsoft will start to get them the same way they did with netscape... so I think. On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, Aftab Ahmad wrote: Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 11:44:10 +0100 From: Aftab Ahmad [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ASP vs. JSP Hello Which one will be more popular in future ASP or JSP? Any url that has excellent comparison. Thanks Regards Aftab == = To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: signoff JSP-INTEREST. For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST. Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets == = To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: signoff JSP-INTEREST. For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST. Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: signoff JSP-INTEREST. For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST. Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
Re: ASP vs. JSP
Hmmm... As someone who has had quite a lot of experience in the ASP/COM area and has moved to JSP/Java in the last few months I suppose I will still be more naturally biased towards the Microsoft way. In my experience and from what I've seen in the past, I don't think either will 'win' and the likely outcome is that both will become popular as they both have particuarly good attributes. If you work for a company that makes extensive use of Microsoft products - then you simply will find ASP/COM is far more useful than JSP/Java. If you demand platform neutrality and if you have practically anything other than Microsoft servers, then JSP/Java is the more useful. You will probably find that two markets open as more companies side with either product. I really am not sure as to what the future holds for both languages - one way I look at my potential skillset is that I can actually decide which is the best way of solving THE PROBLEM - which is the most appropriate language to solve the problem as opposed to how I should use my lanuage to solve the problem. It may also mean that I am not a 'master' of either language though, but I can live with that. One field to look at for the short-mid term is the rise of the mobile device - phones, PDAs, games consoles etc. My guess, for what it is worth, is that both Microsoft and its detractors will be competing for running their softwares and services (whatever they are likely to be) on these machines and, possibly, will not always be running Windows, Java, Linux, Palm etc. Maybe Java may fill this field - I believe Nokia will be using Java on their phones, but I have also seen mobiles that will be using Windows CE such as the Sendo one. In the longer term, it may be that the actual OS/language becomes less of an issue and the focus move as to how disparate systems talk to each other - XML/SOAP etc may become more of a focus. I have worked on projects where my COM code has pulled in XML from JSPs and displayed the output using ASP! Finally, don't ignore Microsoft - they do hold a VERY important market position and DO actually write some pretty cool software, and they also have the servers, languages and full IDEs in place - and the .NET initiative is not going to go away. But, by the same token, don't by the same token dismiss JSP. It may be the lesser-used of the two, but it is growing in popularity. When I started out, ASP was NOT used - Perl was the de facto choice. Nowadays, it seems hardly anyone uses Perl for their coding and ASP is the language of choice. One thing I have seen in computing is that nothing ever stays the same. Be aware of both, particuarly their pros and cons and this is probably the most important aspect. Just my thoughts! Jon -Original Message- From: Dumitru Sbenghe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 14 August 2001 14:41 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ASP vs. JSP Thinking in Microsoft way :) Quality - no, marketing - yes; -Original Message- From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of webmaster Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 4:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ASP vs. JSP ASP will take the market in the near future, consider the characterisitcs of the newest generation of microsoft tools and OS, native java support for their very own versions, besides jsp are very much linked to oralce and sun microsistems so microsoft will start to get them the same way they did with netscape... so I think. On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, Aftab Ahmad wrote: Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 11:44:10 +0100 From: Aftab Ahmad [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ASP vs. JSP Hello Which one will be more popular in future ASP or JSP? Any url that has excellent comparison. Thanks Regards Aftab == = To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: signoff JSP-INTEREST. For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST. Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets == = To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: signoff JSP-INTEREST. For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST. Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: signoff JSP-INTEREST. For digest: mailto
ASP vs JSP
I've done a lot of stuff in ASP and I love it. Recently I've start to learn JSP working with some java bean, Servlets, and Starting to learn EJB too. Also I am going to attend the .NET trainning course next week in PA. My points is Why Try to limit yourself from one particular language? Why not learn them all then use them whenever you think it's appropriate. $.02 Opinion. DucGet your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
ASP vs JSP
I've done a lot of stuff in ASP and I love it. Recently I've start to learn JSP working with some java bean, Servlets, and Starting to learn EJB too. Also I am going to attend the .NET trainning course next week in PA. My points is Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
ASP vs JSP
I've done a lot of stuff in ASP and I love it. Recently I've start to learn JSP working with some java bean, Servlets, and Starting to learn EJB too. Also I am going to attend the .NET trainning course next week in PA. My Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
Re: ASP vs JSP
Can you with ASP develop web application based on the MVC pattern?? If yes, which framework exist with ASP?? Sorry for this two rookie questions. -Original Message-From: Duc Nguyen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 4:20 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: ASP vs JSP I've done a lot of stuff in ASP and I love it. Recently I've start to learn JSP working with some java bean, Servlets, and Starting to learn EJB too. Also I am going to attend the .NET trainning course next week in PA. My Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com=== To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
Re: ASP vs. JSP
Yes, I know Microft is not marketing and Microsoft have nice products; I'm mostly a Microsoft programmer; I did a lot of ASP programming, but I like more to work with JSP; Actually I work on a COM+ project, so I'am not an anti-Microsoft; And you are right nobody will win the battle; JSP and ASP(+) will share the market; But is very funny to see people who really believe Microsoft will take the web market; So a joke is not so bad :) -Original Message- From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jon Garry Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 5:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ASP vs. JSP Hmmm... As someone who has had quite a lot of experience in the ASP/COM area and has moved to JSP/Java in the last few months I suppose I will still be more naturally biased towards the Microsoft way. In my experience and from what I've seen in the past, I don't think either will 'win' and the likely outcome is that both will become popular as they both have particuarly good attributes. If you work for a company that makes extensive use of Microsoft products - then you simply will find ASP/COM is far more useful than JSP/Java. If you demand platform neutrality and if you have practically anything other than Microsoft servers, then JSP/Java is the more useful. You will probably find that two markets open as more companies side with either product. I really am not sure as to what the future holds for both languages - one way I look at my potential skillset is that I can actually decide which is the best way of solving THE PROBLEM - which is the most appropriate language to solve the problem as opposed to how I should use my lanuage to solve the problem. It may also mean that I am not a 'master' of either language though, but I can live with that. One field to look at for the short-mid term is the rise of the mobile device - phones, PDAs, games consoles etc. My guess, for what it is worth, is that both Microsoft and its detractors will be competing for running their softwares and services (whatever they are likely to be) on these machines and, possibly, will not always be running Windows, Java, Linux, Palm etc. Maybe Java may fill this field - I believe Nokia will be using Java on their phones, but I have also seen mobiles that will be using Windows CE such as the Sendo one. In the longer term, it may be that the actual OS/language becomes less of an issue and the focus move as to how disparate systems talk to each other - XML/SOAP etc may become more of a focus. I have worked on projects where my COM code has pulled in XML from JSPs and displayed the output using ASP! Finally, don't ignore Microsoft - they do hold a VERY important market position and DO actually write some pretty cool software, and they also have the servers, languages and full IDEs in place - and the .NET initiative is not going to go away. But, by the same token, don't by the same token dismiss JSP. It may be the lesser-used of the two, but it is growing in popularity. When I started out, ASP was NOT used - Perl was the de facto choice. Nowadays, it seems hardly anyone uses Perl for their coding and ASP is the language of choice. One thing I have seen in computing is that nothing ever stays the same. Be aware of both, particuarly their pros and cons and this is probably the most important aspect. Just my thoughts! Jon -Original Message- From: Dumitru Sbenghe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 14 August 2001 14:41 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ASP vs. JSP Thinking in Microsoft way :) Quality - no, marketing - yes; -Original Message- From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of webmaster Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 4:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ASP vs. JSP ASP will take the market in the near future, consider the characterisitcs of the newest generation of microsoft tools and OS, native java support for their very own versions, besides jsp are very much linked to oralce and sun microsistems so microsoft will start to get them the same way they did with netscape... so I think. On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, Aftab Ahmad wrote: Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 11:44:10 +0100 From: Aftab Ahmad [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ASP vs. JSP Hello Which one will be more popular in future ASP or JSP? Any url that has excellent comparison. Thanks Regards Aftab == = To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: signoff JSP-INTEREST. For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST. Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp
Re: ASP vs JSP
Sure; MVC is not a JSP future; -Original Message-From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Claudio ParnenziniSent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 5:32 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: ASP vs JSP Can you with ASP develop web application based on the MVC pattern?? If yes, which framework exist with ASP?? Sorry for this two rookie questions. -Original Message-From: Duc Nguyen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 4:20 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: ASP vs JSP I've done a lot of stuff in ASP and I love it. Recently I've start to learn JSP working with some java bean, Servlets, and Starting to learn EJB too. Also I am going to attend the .NET trainning course next week in PA. My Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com=== To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
Re: ASP vs JSP
I agree,but ASPis based on Visual Basic, as i know Visual Basic don't have all features of a real OO language ( Polimorphism and inheritance are not implemented ). You will be limited in the design of your application. [Claudio Parnenzini] -Original Message-From: Dumitru Sbenghe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 4:39 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: ASP vs JSP Sure; MVC is not a JSP future; -Original Message-From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Claudio ParnenziniSent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 5:32 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: ASP vs JSP Can you with ASP develop web application based on the MVC pattern?? If yes, which framework exist with ASP?? Sorry for this two rookie questions. -Original Message-From: Duc Nguyen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 4:20 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: ASP vs JSP I've done a lot of stuff in ASP and I love it. Recently I've start to learn JSP working with some java bean, Servlets, and Starting to learn EJB too. Also I am going to attend the .NET trainning course next week in PA. My Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com=== To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
Re: ASP vs JSP
Wow! Did this topic spark a heated discussion or what?. I have to agree with one of the earlier commenter's that knowing both JSP and ASP+ allows you to evaluate your clients needs objectively, and develop the best solution and platform for your client to run his product on. I too have worked on both the MS and the Java side of the shop, and I have to agree that there are some projects that MS is the correct solution for a particular client. By the way, I think the days of specializing in one particular platform and language are over. With the dot.com bust, many people are going back to the "old tried and true" form of management. Hire good people who have the capacity and the willingness to learn, and keep them on board for the long term. If you are really lucky, your company pays to send you to 1-2 weeks of training every year to keep you up to date on your skill sets. If not, you may be paying for the training yourself (I'm in that category). Either way, be honest and up front with your clients as to the platform and languages that will best fit their business needs and delivery timeframes, and do NOT push just one platform or language because it's the latest and greatest. Too many companies got burned recently, and I am seeing more managers/business owners who are demanding explanations and justifications for your software and platform recommendations, and NOT just accepting the recommendation on blind faith because your the "expert". Celeste -Original Message-From: Dumitru Sbenghe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 9:39 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: ASP vs JSP Sure; MVC is not a JSP future; -Original Message-From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Claudio ParnenziniSent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 5:32 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: ASP vs JSP Can you with ASP develop web application based on the MVC pattern?? If yes, which framework exist with ASP?? Sorry for this two rookie questions. -Original Message-From: Duc Nguyen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 4:20 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: ASP vs JSP I've done a lot of stuff in ASP and I love it. Recently I've start to learn JSP working with some java bean, Servlets, and Starting to learn EJB too. Also I am going to attend the .NET trainning course next week in PA. My Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com=== To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
Re: ASP vs JSP
If you see the problem with an OO eye sure; For me MVC is not linked with OOP languages; and I don't think we can say ASP is based on Visual Basic; After all you can write ASP in JavaScript and COM components in C++, so where is the silly VB language? -Original Message-From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Claudio ParnenziniSent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 5:50 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: ASP vs JSP I agree,but ASPis based on Visual Basic, as i know Visual Basic don't have all features of a real OO language ( Polimorphism and inheritance are not implemented ). You will be limited in the design of your application. [Claudio Parnenzini] -Original Message-From: Dumitru Sbenghe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 4:39 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: ASP vs JSP Sure; MVC is not a JSP future; -Original Message-From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Claudio ParnenziniSent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 5:32 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: ASP vs JSP Can you with ASP develop web application based on the MVC pattern?? If yes, which framework exist with ASP?? Sorry for this two rookie questions. -Original Message-From: Duc Nguyen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 4:20 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: ASP vs JSP I've done a lot of stuff in ASP and I love it. Recently I've start to learn JSP working with some java bean, Servlets, and Starting to learn EJB too. Also I am going to attend the .NET trainning course next week in PA. My Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com=== To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
Re: AW: ASP vs. JSP
Microsoft is a desktop oriented company. Its existence is threatened by the internet. It can never be successful in internet industry as it is in desktop industry. We have seen it tried ActiveX, ASP in the past. Now trying .NET and ASP+, C# etc. while MS is still trying, Java has become industry standard in the internet arena. Just like MS could not beat Photoshop and Macromedia products in Graphics, It can't beat Java either. MS products for secretaries use not for developers. So get some Java!! :)) shuaib - Original Message - From: Kurt, Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 9:54 AM Subject: AW: ASP vs. JSP As long as .NET is tied to the windows plattform, JSP has the advantage to run on a lot of plattforms. And even if .NET will be ported to other plattforms than windows, .NET will not be plattform indepented...(the win32 API is too close to be ignored...) so ASP and JSP will share the market. ASP takes the small business and small web-shops, while JSP covers large e-commerce and entire web-applications. -Ursprungliche Nachricht- Von: webmaster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. August 2001 15:17 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: ASP vs. JSP ASP will take the market in the near future, consider the characterisitcs of the newest generation of microsoft tools and OS, native java support for their very own versions, besides jsp are very much linked to oralce and sun microsistems so microsoft will start to get them the same way they did with netscape... so I think. On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, Aftab Ahmad wrote: Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 11:44:10 +0100 From: Aftab Ahmad [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ASP vs. JSP Hello Which one will be more popular in future ASP or JSP? Any url that has excellent comparison. Thanks Regards Aftab === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: signoff JSP-INTEREST. For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST. Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: signoff JSP-INTEREST. For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST. Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: signoff JSP-INTEREST. For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST. Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: signoff JSP-INTEREST. For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST. Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
Re: ASP vs. JSP
Where the hell did you come up with this crap? ASP is losing ground to JSP rapidly, especially in the e-business, and b-2-b sectors. ASP and IIS just can't scale near as well as a J2EE platform, as well as its tied to MS and uses DLL's and what not..which are more prone to crashing and bringing down a site. Where ASP is strongest is in the small startups..using MS FrontPage and IIS package with the OS they purchase to run the site. It is also usually because people don't know about the Java solutions that are more powerful and free! Plus, it depends on individual people. You can get a company with 20 developers all wanting to do Java, and their CTO or CEO hears something through the passing of someone they trust that Java is bad and MS is the best and the road to profitability..and they'll change to using MS instead. It's amazing how many people listen to others and go by what they say rather than figure it out for themselves and examine various possibilities. But..time is money. How is it JSP is linked to Oracle and Sun? Sun opens the specs to the community, so they are not the only ones involved. Sun acquired Netscape server into iPlanet, so MS didn't get them, Sun bought them. Netscape browser bit the dust compared to MSIE, but honestly that is one of the few things I think MS did right..the browser! At least it works. I have had more problems with Netscape browsers with javascript problems, rendering problems, etc. If it wasn't for the fact that Netscape is on the unix/linux platform, I'd develop client-side just for MSIE..although Opera and others are out there too. At any rate, I think you need to get your facts straight. -Original Message- From: webmaster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 6:17 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ASP vs. JSP ASP will take the market in the near future, consider the characterisitcs of the newest generation of microsoft tools and OS, native java support for their very own versions, besides jsp are very much linked to oralce and sun microsistems so microsoft will start to get them the same way they did with netscape... so I think. On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, Aftab Ahmad wrote: Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 11:44:10 +0100 From: Aftab Ahmad [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ASP vs. JSP Hello Which one will be more popular in future ASP or JSP? Any url that has excellent comparison. Thanks Regards Aftab == = To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: signoff JSP-INTEREST. For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST. Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets == = To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: signoff JSP-INTEREST. For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST. Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: signoff JSP-INTEREST. For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST. Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
Re: ASP to JSP converstion
You may try using CodeCharge (www.codecharge.com) to speed up the conversion, as well as generate JSP or ASP or C#, PHP, ColdFusion, etc. from single environment. That way you may be able to end your conversion worries or at least get started... Konrad - Original Message - From: Parker, Kenneth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 5:23 AM Subject: Re: ASP to JSP converstion Well, I'd prefer to stay with ASP, but my project is moving over to JSP. If I can't figure out how to re-write the app in JSP, I'm may be history. That's why I'm hoping I can do a quicky conversion for something and I'm looking for some kind of conversion tool. I know that finding a magic tool is not a likely scenerio, but I'm going to try. -Original Message- From: lee hwaying [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 3:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ASP to JSP converstion BTW, may i know why do you want to convert? ASP is poweful and they are introducing .NET. From: Brad Rhoads [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ASP to JSP converstion Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 16:02:31 -0500 http://www.oracle.com/features/9i/index.html?migration.html -Original Message- From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Parker, Kenneth Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 3:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ASP to JSP converstion Can anybody tell me if there is a cheap or free product out there that can help me convert ASP code to JSP? == = To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: signoff JSP-INTEREST. For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST. Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: signoff JSP-INTEREST. For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST. Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: signoff JSP-INTEREST. For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST. Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: signoff JSP-INTEREST. For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST. Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
Re: ASP to JSP converstion
BTW, may i know why do you want to convert? ASP is poweful and they are introducing .NET. From: Brad Rhoads [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ASP to JSP converstion Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 16:02:31 -0500 http://www.oracle.com/features/9i/index.html?migration.html -Original Message- From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Parker, Kenneth Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 3:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ASP to JSP converstion Can anybody tell me if there is a cheap or free product out there that can help me convert ASP code to JSP? == = To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: signoff JSP-INTEREST. For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST. Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: signoff JSP-INTEREST. For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST. Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: signoff JSP-INTEREST. For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST. Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
Re: ASP to JSP converstion
Well, I'd prefer to stay with ASP, but my project is moving over to JSP. If I can't figure out how to re-write the app in JSP, I'm may be history. That's why I'm hoping I can do a quicky conversion for something and I'm looking for some kind of conversion tool. I know that finding a magic tool is not a likely scenerio, but I'm going to try. -Original Message- From: lee hwaying [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 3:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ASP to JSP converstion BTW, may i know why do you want to convert? ASP is poweful and they are introducing .NET. From: Brad Rhoads [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ASP to JSP converstion Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 16:02:31 -0500 http://www.oracle.com/features/9i/index.html?migration.html -Original Message- From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Parker, Kenneth Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 3:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ASP to JSP converstion Can anybody tell me if there is a cheap or free product out there that can help me convert ASP code to JSP? == = To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: signoff JSP-INTEREST. For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST. Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: signoff JSP-INTEREST. For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST. Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: signoff JSP-INTEREST. For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST. Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: signoff JSP-INTEREST. For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST. Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
Re: ASP to JSP converstion
I am in a similar situation where I am moving from a COM/ASP scenario over to a Bean/JSP environment. From my experiences so far, I'd say that a tool to convert from ASP over to JSP isn't going to exist and I'd not put a lot of faith in the output that any tool would output, and there could be other problems in actually ammending or reading the code at a later date. Realistically, you are going to have to learn JSP and I don't think the jump is that great really. If you are sticking with JUST JSP then the conversion is fairly straightforward. Using Beans etc makes it more challenging though. If I assume your using a fair bit of DB work, you could try using IBM's Websphere Studio as that can do some DB work as a wizard. If you have a look at the Wrox book Professional JSP (2nd Edition) there is an appendix for crossing over from ASP to JSP and is well worth reading. I am no expert (yet :) ), but these are my experiences. Jon -Original Message- From: Parker, Kenneth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 09 August 2001 13:23 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ASP to JSP converstion Well, I'd prefer to stay with ASP, but my project is moving over to JSP. If I can't figure out how to re-write the app in JSP, I'm may be history. That's why I'm hoping I can do a quicky conversion for something and I'm looking for some kind of conversion tool. I know that finding a magic tool is not a likely scenerio, but I'm going to try. -Original Message- From: lee hwaying [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 3:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ASP to JSP converstion BTW, may i know why do you want to convert? ASP is poweful and they are introducing .NET. From: Brad Rhoads [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ASP to JSP converstion Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 16:02:31 -0500 http://www.oracle.com/features/9i/index.html?migration.html -Original Message- From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Parker, Kenneth Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 3:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ASP to JSP converstion Can anybody tell me if there is a cheap or free product out there that can help me convert ASP code to JSP? == = To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: signoff JSP-INTEREST. For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST. Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: signoff JSP-INTEREST. For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST. Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: signoff JSP-INTEREST. For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST. Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: signoff JSP-INTEREST. For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST. Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets --DISCLAIMER--- The information contained in this e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended for the addressee only. No other person is authorised to copy, forward, disclose, distribute or retain this email in any form. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the originator or send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This e-mail and any associated attachments have been scanned for viruses prior to dispatch, however Emap Performance and its subsidiary companies accept no liability for any losses resulting from
Re: ASP to JSP converstion
Kenneth, I have worked on both the MS side of the shop (VB VC++ COM and ASP) and the Java side of the shop (Java, JSP, RMI). On of the major difference between ASP and JSP is that ASP is interpreted, where as JSP is compiled by your JSP server into a servlet the first time you hit the JSP file during the development phase. As a result, errors can be thrown from your JSP complier during run time to your browser, and these error can throw you if you don't understand that JSP's are complied, not interpreted. Secondly, using Java beans vs COM objects requires you to understand the concepts of polymorphism, inheritance, and encapsulation VERY well. COM and DCOM are MS ways to implementing a kinda sorta Object Oriented Design, and as such, I had a hard time bending my mind away from the true concept of OO Design that I had learned as a hard core C++ programmer. If you do NOT have a background in C++, only in VB, you will find developing Java class Beans very difficult, as VB does NOT hold true to OO concepts. You can purchase IDE's for Java that may help you, but be VERY careful that you do NOT compile in those IDE's using the IDE's internal library. You want to use only Sun's library to compile with, or you will find your bean code suddenly NOT working when you port it over from your development environment to your server for testing. Last, you will need to learn new techniques for debugging your JSP pages. You can debug your JSP's in many ways depending on the JSP server you are using. The most common way is the old DOS way of debugging code (prior to the IDE day's). Which is to put writeln statements in your code, and to open up your err.log or output.log file and determine at which line in your JSP file the complier threw an error, or your logic failed. There are some IDE's for JSP, JRUN Studio being one of my favorites, that do have a built in debugger for JSP's, but even then, it is very limited. I still often have to rely on the old fashioned way of debugging code that I learned in the DOS days. Hang in there, the transition (should you survive this mission), will make you very marketable. I suspect as the .NET platform does emerge, and companies find out that they will have to completely retrain staff to use the .NET platform, plus the added expense that all the ASP and VB code developed under 6.0 will NOT port to the .NET platform (ie will need to be rewritten), more of these companies will move over to JSP. I'm seeing a number of higher level IT executives in the Dallas area that have been tasked with investigating the cost of porting their internal MS products over to Java/JSP (where applicable) and to provide reports to their senior executives by 4th quarter in regards to cost, manpower hours, staffing, retraining costs, ect. Perhaps your company is one of them that has decided to go ahead and make the switch. Good luck Celeste -Original Message- From: Jon Garry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 8:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ASP to JSP converstion I am in a similar situation where I am moving from a COM/ASP scenario over to a Bean/JSP environment. From my experiences so far, I'd say that a tool to convert from ASP over to JSP isn't going to exist and I'd not put a lot of faith in the output that any tool would output, and there could be other problems in actually ammending or reading the code at a later date. Realistically, you are going to have to learn JSP and I don't think the jump is that great really. If you are sticking with JUST JSP then the conversion is fairly straightforward. Using Beans etc makes it more challenging though. If I assume your using a fair bit of DB work, you could try using IBM's Websphere Studio as that can do some DB work as a wizard. If you have a look at the Wrox book Professional JSP (2nd Edition) there is an appendix for crossing over from ASP to JSP and is well worth reading. I am no expert (yet :) ), but these are my experiences. Jon -Original Message- From: Parker, Kenneth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 09 August 2001 13:23 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ASP to JSP converstion Well, I'd prefer to stay with ASP, but my project is moving over to JSP. If I can't figure out how to re-write the app in JSP, I'm may be history. That's why I'm hoping I can do a quicky conversion for something and I'm looking for some kind of conversion tool. I know that finding a magic tool is not a likely scenerio, but I'm going to try. -Original Message- From: lee hwaying [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 3:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ASP to JSP converstion BTW, may i know why do you want to convert? ASP is poweful and they are introducing .NET. From: Brad Rhoads [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ASP to JSP converstion Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 16:02:31 -0500 http://www.oracle.com/features/9i
Re: ASP to JSP converstion
have a look at http://www.linar.com/jintegra/doc/ From: Parker, Kenneth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ASP to JSP converstion Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 08:23:17 -0400 Well, I'd prefer to stay with ASP, but my project is moving over to JSP. If I can't figure out how to re-write the app in JSP, I'm may be history. That's why I'm hoping I can do a quicky conversion for something and I'm looking for some kind of conversion tool. I know that finding a magic tool is not a likely scenerio, but I'm going to try. -Original Message- From: lee hwaying [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 3:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ASP to JSP converstion BTW, may i know why do you want to convert? ASP is poweful and they are introducing .NET. From: Brad Rhoads [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ASP to JSP converstion Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 16:02:31 -0500 http://www.oracle.com/features/9i/index.html?migration.html -Original Message- From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Parker, Kenneth Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 3:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ASP to JSP converstion Can anybody tell me if there is a cheap or free product out there that can help me convert ASP code to JSP? == = To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: signoff JSP-INTEREST. For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST. Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: signoff JSP-INTEREST. For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST. Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: signoff JSP-INTEREST. For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST. Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: signoff JSP-INTEREST. For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST. Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: signoff JSP-INTEREST. For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST. Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
Re: ASP to JSP converstion
any one has any idea how to launch excel from jsp or servelet without using linar, which cost money??? From: Haseltine, Celeste [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ASP to JSP converstion Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 10:11:53 -0500 Kenneth, I have worked on both the MS side of the shop (VB VC++ COM and ASP) and the Java side of the shop (Java, JSP, RMI). On of the major difference between ASP and JSP is that ASP is interpreted, where as JSP is compiled by your JSP server into a servlet the first time you hit the JSP file during the development phase. As a result, errors can be thrown from your JSP complier during run time to your browser, and these error can throw you if you don't understand that JSP's are complied, not interpreted. Secondly, using Java beans vs COM objects requires you to understand the concepts of polymorphism, inheritance, and encapsulation VERY well. COM and DCOM are MS ways to implementing a kinda sorta Object Oriented Design, and as such, I had a hard time bending my mind away from the true concept of OO Design that I had learned as a hard core C++ programmer. If you do NOT have a background in C++, only in VB, you will find developing Java class Beans very difficult, as VB does NOT hold true to OO concepts. You can purchase IDE's for Java that may help you, but be VERY careful that you do NOT compile in those IDE's using the IDE's internal library. You want to use only Sun's library to compile with, or you will find your bean code suddenly NOT working when you port it over from your development environment to your server for testing. Last, you will need to learn new techniques for debugging your JSP pages. You can debug your JSP's in many ways depending on the JSP server you are using. The most common way is the old DOS way of debugging code (prior to the IDE day's). Which is to put writeln statements in your code, and to open up your err.log or output.log file and determine at which line in your JSP file the complier threw an error, or your logic failed. There are some IDE's for JSP, JRUN Studio being one of my favorites, that do have a built in debugger for JSP's, but even then, it is very limited. I still often have to rely on the old fashioned way of debugging code that I learned in the DOS days. Hang in there, the transition (should you survive this mission), will make you very marketable. I suspect as the .NET platform does emerge, and companies find out that they will have to completely retrain staff to use the .NET platform, plus the added expense that all the ASP and VB code developed under 6.0 will NOT port to the .NET platform (ie will need to be rewritten), more of these companies will move over to JSP. I'm seeing a number of higher level IT executives in the Dallas area that have been tasked with investigating the cost of porting their internal MS products over to Java/JSP (where applicable) and to provide reports to their senior executives by 4th quarter in regards to cost, manpower hours, staffing, retraining costs, ect. Perhaps your company is one of them that has decided to go ahead and make the switch. Good luck Celeste -Original Message- From: Jon Garry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 8:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ASP to JSP converstion I am in a similar situation where I am moving from a COM/ASP scenario over to a Bean/JSP environment. From my experiences so far, I'd say that a tool to convert from ASP over to JSP isn't going to exist and I'd not put a lot of faith in the output that any tool would output, and there could be other problems in actually ammending or reading the code at a later date. Realistically, you are going to have to learn JSP and I don't think the jump is that great really. If you are sticking with JUST JSP then the conversion is fairly straightforward. Using Beans etc makes it more challenging though. If I assume your using a fair bit of DB work, you could try using IBM's Websphere Studio as that can do some DB work as a wizard. If you have a look at the Wrox book Professional JSP (2nd Edition) there is an appendix for crossing over from ASP to JSP and is well worth reading. I am no expert (yet :) ), but these are my experiences. Jon -Original Message- From: Parker, Kenneth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 09 August 2001 13:23 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ASP to JSP converstion Well, I'd prefer to stay with ASP, but my project is moving over to JSP. If I can't figure out how to re-write the app in JSP, I'm may be history. That's why I'm hoping I can do a quicky conversion for something and I'm looking for some kind of conversion tool. I know that finding a magic tool is not a likely scenerio, but I'm going to try. -Original Message- From: lee hwaying [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 3:57 AM To: [EMAIL
Re: ASP to JSP converstion
Lee, MS has distributed a free excel COM component that you can use inside of a JSP. It displays an existing excel sheet only that resides on the server, it does NOT allow you to modify or create a new excel sheet. I don't remember where I downloaded it from, but you should be able to do a search on the web and locate it. It's been over a year since I last worked with that component, and even then I used it inside of a JSP page which ran inside of Epicentric's Portal product. But it is a nice component as freebie components go. I believe that there is also a free COM component for Word also, but again, it displays an existing document only. Celeste -Original Message- From: lee hwaying [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 10:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ASP to JSP converstion any one has any idea how to launch excel from jsp or servelet without using linar, which cost money??? From: Haseltine, Celeste [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ASP to JSP converstion Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 10:11:53 -0500 Kenneth, I have worked on both the MS side of the shop (VB VC++ COM and ASP) and the Java side of the shop (Java, JSP, RMI). On of the major difference between ASP and JSP is that ASP is interpreted, where as JSP is compiled by your JSP server into a servlet the first time you hit the JSP file during the development phase. As a result, errors can be thrown from your JSP complier during run time to your browser, and these error can throw you if you don't understand that JSP's are complied, not interpreted. Secondly, using Java beans vs COM objects requires you to understand the concepts of polymorphism, inheritance, and encapsulation VERY well. COM and DCOM are MS ways to implementing a kinda sorta Object Oriented Design, and as such, I had a hard time bending my mind away from the true concept of OO Design that I had learned as a hard core C++ programmer. If you do NOT have a background in C++, only in VB, you will find developing Java class Beans very difficult, as VB does NOT hold true to OO concepts. You can purchase IDE's for Java that may help you, but be VERY careful that you do NOT compile in those IDE's using the IDE's internal library. You want to use only Sun's library to compile with, or you will find your bean code suddenly NOT working when you port it over from your development environment to your server for testing. Last, you will need to learn new techniques for debugging your JSP pages. You can debug your JSP's in many ways depending on the JSP server you are using. The most common way is the old DOS way of debugging code (prior to the IDE day's). Which is to put writeln statements in your code, and to open up your err.log or output.log file and determine at which line in your JSP file the complier threw an error, or your logic failed. There are some IDE's for JSP, JRUN Studio being one of my favorites, that do have a built in debugger for JSP's, but even then, it is very limited. I still often have to rely on the old fashioned way of debugging code that I learned in the DOS days. Hang in there, the transition (should you survive this mission), will make you very marketable. I suspect as the .NET platform does emerge, and companies find out that they will have to completely retrain staff to use the .NET platform, plus the added expense that all the ASP and VB code developed under 6.0 will NOT port to the .NET platform (ie will need to be rewritten), more of these companies will move over to JSP. I'm seeing a number of higher level IT executives in the Dallas area that have been tasked with investigating the cost of porting their internal MS products over to Java/JSP (where applicable) and to provide reports to their senior executives by 4th quarter in regards to cost, manpower hours, staffing, retraining costs, ect. Perhaps your company is one of them that has decided to go ahead and make the switch. Good luck Celeste -Original Message- From: Jon Garry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 8:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ASP to JSP converstion I am in a similar situation where I am moving from a COM/ASP scenario over to a Bean/JSP environment. From my experiences so far, I'd say that a tool to convert from ASP over to JSP isn't going to exist and I'd not put a lot of faith in the output that any tool would output, and there could be other problems in actually ammending or reading the code at a later date. Realistically, you are going to have to learn JSP and I don't think the jump is that great really. If you are sticking with JUST JSP then the conversion is fairly straightforward. Using Beans etc makes it more challenging though. If I assume your using a fair bit of DB work, you could try using IBM's Websphere Studio as that can do some DB work as a wizard. If you
Re: ASP to JSP converstion
Parker, Kenneth wrote: Well, I'd prefer to stay with ASP, but my project is moving over to JSP. If I can't figure out how to re-write the app in JSP, I'm may be history. That's why I'm hoping I can do a quicky conversion for something and I'm looking for some kind of conversion tool. I know that finding a magic tool is not a likely scenerio, but I'm going to try. Did you check http://www.google.com/search?q=convert+ASP+code+to+JSP ? I have no personal experience but there seems to be some candidates. see you, Lars -- +-+ |Java IDE http://www.borland.com/jbuilder | |Source code http://www.sourceforge.org | |Office suite http://www.sun.com/products/staroffice/get.html | |Paint S/Whttp://www.gimp.org | |Operating system http://www.linux.org| | http://www.sun.com/software/solaris | |Emacs Toolshttp://www.gnu.org | |Total cost: $0.00 | +-+ === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: signoff JSP-INTEREST. For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST. Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
Re: ASP to JSP converstion
Hi, Parker, Kenneth wrote: Well, I'd prefer to stay with ASP, but my project is moving over to JSP. If I can't figure out how to re-write the app in JSP, I'm may be history. That's why I'm hoping I can do a quicky conversion for something and I'm looking for some kind of conversion tool. I know that finding a magic tool is not a likely scenerio, but I'm going to try. Did you check http://www.google.com/search?q=convert+ASP+code+to+JSP ? I have no personal experience but there seems to be some candidates. see you, Lars -- +-+ |Java IDE http://www.borland.com/jbuilder | |Source code http://www.sourceforge.org | |Office suite http://www.sun.com/products/staroffice/get.html | |Paint S/Whttp://www.gimp.org | |Operating system http://www.linux.org| | http://www.sun.com/software/solaris | |Emacs Toolshttp://www.gnu.org | |Total cost: $0.00 | +-+ === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: signoff JSP-INTEREST. For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST. Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
Re: ASP to JSP converstion
An example I found in a jsp page: %@ page contentType=application/vnd.ms-excel % %-- Note that there are tabs, not spaces, between columns. --% 19971998199920002001 (Anticipated) 12.313.414.515.616.7 -Original Message- From: lee hwaying [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 8:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ASP to JSP converstion any one has any idea how to launch excel from jsp or servelet without using linar, which cost money??? From: Haseltine, Celeste [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ASP to JSP converstion Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 10:11:53 -0500 Kenneth, I have worked on both the MS side of the shop (VB VC++ COM and ASP) and the Java side of the shop (Java, JSP, RMI). On of the major difference between ASP and JSP is that ASP is interpreted, where as JSP is compiled by your JSP server into a servlet the first time you hit the JSP file during the development phase. As a result, errors can be thrown from your JSP complier during run time to your browser, and these error can throw you if you don't understand that JSP's are complied, not interpreted. Secondly, using Java beans vs COM objects requires you to understand the concepts of polymorphism, inheritance, and encapsulation VERY well. COM and DCOM are MS ways to implementing a kinda sorta Object Oriented Design, and as such, I had a hard time bending my mind away from the true concept of OO Design that I had learned as a hard core C++ programmer. If you do NOT have a background in C++, only in VB, you will find developing Java class Beans very difficult, as VB does NOT hold true to OO concepts. You can purchase IDE's for Java that may help you, but be VERY careful that you do NOT compile in those IDE's using the IDE's internal library. You want to use only Sun's library to compile with, or you will find your bean code suddenly NOT working when you port it over from your development environment to your server for testing. Last, you will need to learn new techniques for debugging your JSP pages. You can debug your JSP's in many ways depending on the JSP server you are using. The most common way is the old DOS way of debugging code (prior to the IDE day's). Which is to put writeln statements in your code, and to open up your err.log or output.log file and determine at which line in your JSP file the complier threw an error, or your logic failed. There are some IDE's for JSP, JRUN Studio being one of my favorites, that do have a built in debugger for JSP's, but even then, it is very limited. I still often have to rely on the old fashioned way of debugging code that I learned in the DOS days. Hang in there, the transition (should you survive this mission), will make you very marketable. I suspect as the .NET platform does emerge, and companies find out that they will have to completely retrain staff to use the .NET platform, plus the added expense that all the ASP and VB code developed under 6.0 will NOT port to the .NET platform (ie will need to be rewritten), more of these companies will move over to JSP. I'm seeing a number of higher level IT executives in the Dallas area that have been tasked with investigating the cost of porting their internal MS products over to Java/JSP (where applicable) and to provide reports to their senior executives by 4th quarter in regards to cost, manpower hours, staffing, retraining costs, ect. Perhaps your company is one of them that has decided to go ahead and make the switch. Good luck Celeste -Original Message- From: Jon Garry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 8:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ASP to JSP converstion I am in a similar situation where I am moving from a COM/ASP scenario over to a Bean/JSP environment. From my experiences so far, I'd say that a tool to convert from ASP over to JSP isn't going to exist and I'd not put a lot of faith in the output that any tool would output, and there could be other problems in actually ammending or reading the code at a later date. Realistically, you are going to have to learn JSP and I don't think the jump is that great really. If you are sticking with JUST JSP then the conversion is fairly straightforward. Using Beans etc makes it more challenging though. If I assume your using a fair bit of DB work, you could try using IBM's Websphere Studio as that can do some DB work as a wizard. If you have a look at the Wrox book Professional JSP (2nd Edition) there is an appendix for crossing over from ASP to JSP and is well worth reading. I am no expert (yet :) ), but these are my experiences. Jon -Original Message- From: Parker, Kenneth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 09 August 2001 13:23 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ASP to JSP converstion Well, I'd prefer to stay with ASP, but my project is moving over
Re: ASP to JSP converstion
on that note, I agree with Celeste, that any decent c/c++ coder will have no problem with the whole Java/Jsp/Servlet stuff. ASP can be equally good, however, I prefer coding in JSP/Java. -Original Message- From: Haseltine, Celeste [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 8:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ASP to JSP converstion Kenneth, I have worked on both the MS side of the shop (VB VC++ COM and ASP) and the Java side of the shop (Java, JSP, RMI). On of the major difference between ASP and JSP is that ASP is interpreted, where as JSP is compiled by your JSP server into a servlet the first time you hit the JSP file during the development phase. As a result, errors can be thrown from your JSP complier during run time to your browser, and these error can throw you if you don't understand that JSP's are complied, not interpreted. Secondly, using Java beans vs COM objects requires you to understand the concepts of polymorphism, inheritance, and encapsulation VERY well. COM and DCOM are MS ways to implementing a kinda sorta Object Oriented Design, and as such, I had a hard time bending my mind away from the true concept of OO Design that I had learned as a hard core C++ programmer. If you do NOT have a background in C++, only in VB, you will find developing Java class Beans very difficult, as VB does NOT hold true to OO concepts. You can purchase IDE's for Java that may help you, but be VERY careful that you do NOT compile in those IDE's using the IDE's internal library. You want to use only Sun's library to compile with, or you will find your bean code suddenly NOT working when you port it over from your development environment to your server for testing. Last, you will need to learn new techniques for debugging your JSP pages. You can debug your JSP's in many ways depending on the JSP server you are using. The most common way is the old DOS way of debugging code (prior to the IDE day's). Which is to put writeln statements in your code, and to open up your err.log or output.log file and determine at which line in your JSP file the complier threw an error, or your logic failed. There are some IDE's for JSP, JRUN Studio being one of my favorites, that do have a built in debugger for JSP's, but even then, it is very limited. I still often have to rely on the old fashioned way of debugging code that I learned in the DOS days. Hang in there, the transition (should you survive this mission), will make you very marketable. I suspect as the .NET platform does emerge, and companies find out that they will have to completely retrain staff to use the .NET platform, plus the added expense that all the ASP and VB code developed under 6.0 will NOT port to the .NET platform (ie will need to be rewritten), more of these companies will move over to JSP. I'm seeing a number of higher level IT executives in the Dallas area that have been tasked with investigating the cost of porting their internal MS products over to Java/JSP (where applicable) and to provide reports to their senior executives by 4th quarter in regards to cost, manpower hours, staffing, retraining costs, ect. Perhaps your company is one of them that has decided to go ahead and make the switch. Good luck Celeste -Original Message- From: Jon Garry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 8:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ASP to JSP converstion I am in a similar situation where I am moving from a COM/ASP scenario over to a Bean/JSP environment. From my experiences so far, I'd say that a tool to convert from ASP over to JSP isn't going to exist and I'd not put a lot of faith in the output that any tool would output, and there could be other problems in actually ammending or reading the code at a later date. Realistically, you are going to have to learn JSP and I don't think the jump is that great really. If you are sticking with JUST JSP then the conversion is fairly straightforward. Using Beans etc makes it more challenging though. If I assume your using a fair bit of DB work, you could try using IBM's Websphere Studio as that can do some DB work as a wizard. If you have a look at the Wrox book Professional JSP (2nd Edition) there is an appendix for crossing over from ASP to JSP and is well worth reading. I am no expert (yet :) ), but these are my experiences. Jon -Original Message- From: Parker, Kenneth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 09 August 2001 13:23 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ASP to JSP converstion Well, I'd prefer to stay with ASP, but my project is moving over to JSP. If I can't figure out how to re-write the app in JSP, I'm may be history. That's why I'm hoping I can do a quicky conversion for something and I'm looking for some kind of conversion tool. I know that finding a magic tool is not a likely scenerio, but I'm going to try. -Original Message- From: lee hwaying [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August
ASP to JSP converstion
Can anybody tell me if there is a cheap or free product out there that can help me convert ASP code to JSP? === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: signoff JSP-INTEREST. For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST. Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
Re: ASP to JSP converstion
http://www.oracle.com/features/9i/index.html?migration.html -Original Message- From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Parker, Kenneth Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 3:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ASP to JSP converstion Can anybody tell me if there is a cheap or free product out there that can help me convert ASP code to JSP? == = To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: signoff JSP-INTEREST. For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST. Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: signoff JSP-INTEREST. For digest: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: set JSP-INTEREST DIGEST. Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
ASP to JSP converter
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Convert this ASP to JSP ???
Hi, can you please help me to convert this code from ASP to JSP :
% @ Language = vbscript %
%
Option Explicit
Response.Buffer = True
Private Sub SQLExec(byVal sql)
dim c
set c = server.createobject("adodb.connection")
c.Open Application("dbConn")
c.Execute sql
c.Close
set c = Nothing
Response.Write "h1bigPROCEDURE ADDED!/big/h1"
End Sub
dim tmp : tmp = Request.Form("SQL")
If left( ucase( trim( tmp ) ), 16 ) = "CREATE PROCEDURE" OR _
left( ucase( trim( tmp ) ), 14 ) = "DROP PROCEDURE" Then
Call SQLExec( trim( tmp ) )
Else
%
FORM ACTION="./add.asp" METHOD=POST
INPUT TYPE=SUBMIT VALUE="Add Procedure"BRBR
TEXTAREA NAME="SQL" COLS=65 ROWS=45/TEXTAREABRBR
INPUT TYPE=SUBMIT VALUE="Add Procedure"/FORM
%
End If
%
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ASP 2 JSP
Is there any too for converting ASP to JSP. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
ASP 2 JSP
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RES: ASP 2 JSP
No know, but may be found you with dificulted. Probhability...impossible !!! Regards, André [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Mensagem original- De: Nova Bhojwani [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Enviada em: Friday, October 20, 2000 2:57 PM Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Assunto: ASP 2 JSP any tool for converting ASP to JSP __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
Re: ASP 2 JSP
I dont know of any tools to convert asp to JSP, But I did write up some charts http://www.jspinsider.com/articles/jspasp/asp_to_jsp.html to help asp programmers make the switch easier. Hope they help Casey [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Nova Bhojwani [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ASP 2 JSP Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 10:57:00 -0700 any tool for converting ASP to JSP __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
Re: ASP vs JSP
just a few other interesting things, not to defend anyone: -EJB and JSP are the java implementations of COM+ and ASP: they just came later and did it better -A friend of mine was writing java networking software for Win2000 in 1996/97: MS needed to extend java (because it was still immature then) to get it to work, Sun didn't allow it and sued, MS got fed up and reverted everything to c\vc sd -Original Message- From: Antonio W. Lagnada [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 24 September 2000 06:52 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ASP vs JSP That's funny and it's a good point. -- Antonio W. Lagnada [EMAIL PROTECTED] - email This email address is specifically for JSP-Interest email list "iunknown@pn3" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that you will switch to anything if you will not be able to afford your current life style. -Original Message- From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rick Jesse Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2000 10:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ASP vs JSP One last thing on this... I've looked at ASP+ and COM+ in detail, and get ready for a laugh if any of you do look into either. COM+ is a Java copy: C# and VB are compiled into byte codes which run in the COM+ VM. COM+ even has the same core class library layout the JDK has. (WFC which is the MS equivalent of Swing, which was released with J++ a couple years ago, now runs under COM+.) ASP+ is a JSP/Servlet copy: the architecture its based on a *compiled* COM+ object that is bound to an HTML template -- can you say Model 2 architecture? Anyway, who cares about this stuff -- even if they release the source code why would anyone switch to using a proprietary copy of Java? -Rick - Original Message - From: "Ruta Thakkar" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 2:38 PM Subject: Re: ASP vs JSP Hi, Thanks a lot guys. The discussion has been very helpful. We have decided to go ahead with JSP. One of the reasons also being that we already have some people with JSP expertise. We do have a tight schedule, but after considering our design, I think it wouldn't be a problem to get the portal over in time This was my first qeustion on the list and i am really thankful to everyone for the prompt and valuable response. Regards Ruta - Original Message - From: Duffey, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2000 12:45 PM Subject: Re: ASP vs JSP Well said. ;) I am not one sided..I wrote code with ActiveX, COM, and such for a while. But if you are true to your knowledge, anyone will admit that Java is much cleaner code than C/C++ (easier to read, easier to understand, easier to write), and JSP/Servlets are far easier to understand than COM. Plus, while in-process is possible with DLLs, you don't see the whole server going down if a servlet craps out (not usually). COM was (and is) notorious (at least on the web side) for bringing down IIS if something goes wrong with the component (memory overwrite, etc). I know this from experience..we had nightmares when using this technology. Its much different with Java, thats for sure. Can you honestly say VBScript is easier to work with than Java scriplets in the pages? I saw plenty of VBScript code and its much harder to understand (initially). Does VBScript allow you the full access to the Windows APIs in an ASP page? I don't think so. JSP does allow you full access to the JDK Apis, even though its not exactly best to put that in JSP pages. There are pros/cons to both technologies. I'll be the first to admit I haven't read up on ASP+, so I can't say if that will be better. The 3rd party tools for ASP aren't all there either..they work sometimes, but not as reliable as they are on the Windows platform. How many people are going to go the route of (as Rick said) a closed architecture proprietary setup when J2EE is making such a huge impact on the industry. I have yet to see any other implementation of ASP other than MS, and thats bad. Your stuck with whatever they choose. Anyways..nuff said. JSP is better! ;) -Original Message- From: Rick Jesse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 9:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ASP vs JSP My reponse is, JSP is an open architecture, based on a published *SPEC* with many, many commerical and open source implementations. You can judge an implementation by determining spec compliance and going from there (performance, etc.). Where is the ASP or ASP+ spec? I'm not talking about documentation on how to use the stuff, but a spec that explains the design,
Re: ASP vs JSP
That's funny and it's a good point. -- Antonio W. Lagnada [EMAIL PROTECTED] - email This email address is specifically for JSP-Interest email list "iunknown@pn3" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that you will switch to anything if you will not be able to afford your current life style. -Original Message- From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rick Jesse Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2000 10:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ASP vs JSP One last thing on this... I've looked at ASP+ and COM+ in detail, and get ready for a laugh if any of you do look into either. COM+ is a Java copy: C# and VB are compiled into byte codes which run in the COM+ VM. COM+ even has the same core class library layout the JDK has. (WFC which is the MS equivalent of Swing, which was released with J++ a couple years ago, now runs under COM+.) ASP+ is a JSP/Servlet copy: the architecture its based on a *compiled* COM+ object that is bound to an HTML template -- can you say Model 2 architecture? Anyway, who cares about this stuff -- even if they release the source code why would anyone switch to using a proprietary copy of Java? -Rick - Original Message - From: "Ruta Thakkar" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 2:38 PM Subject: Re: ASP vs JSP Hi, Thanks a lot guys. The discussion has been very helpful. We have decided to go ahead with JSP. One of the reasons also being that we already have some people with JSP expertise. We do have a tight schedule, but after considering our design, I think it wouldn't be a problem to get the portal over in time This was my first qeustion on the list and i am really thankful to everyone for the prompt and valuable response. Regards Ruta - Original Message - From: Duffey, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2000 12:45 PM Subject: Re: ASP vs JSP Well said. ;) I am not one sided..I wrote code with ActiveX, COM, and such for a while. But if you are true to your knowledge, anyone will admit that Java is much cleaner code than C/C++ (easier to read, easier to understand, easier to write), and JSP/Servlets are far easier to understand than COM. Plus, while in-process is possible with DLLs, you don't see the whole server going down if a servlet craps out (not usually). COM was (and is) notorious (at least on the web side) for bringing down IIS if something goes wrong with the component (memory overwrite, etc). I know this from experience..we had nightmares when using this technology. Its much different with Java, thats for sure. Can you honestly say VBScript is easier to work with than Java scriplets in the pages? I saw plenty of VBScript code and its much harder to understand (initially). Does VBScript allow you the full access to the Windows APIs in an ASP page? I don't think so. JSP does allow you full access to the JDK Apis, even though its not exactly best to put that in JSP pages. There are pros/cons to both technologies. I'll be the first to admit I haven't read up on ASP+, so I can't say if that will be better. The 3rd party tools for ASP aren't all there either..they work sometimes, but not as reliable as they are on the Windows platform. How many people are going to go the route of (as Rick said) a closed architecture proprietary setup when J2EE is making such a huge impact on the industry. I have yet to see any other implementation of ASP other than MS, and thats bad. Your stuck with whatever they choose. Anyways..nuff said. JSP is better! ;) -Original Message- From: Rick Jesse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 9:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ASP vs JSP My reponse is, JSP is an open architecture, based on a published *SPEC* with many, many commerical and open source implementations. You can judge an implementation by determining spec compliance and going from there (performance, etc.). Where is the ASP or ASP+ spec? I'm not talking about documentation on how to use the stuff, but a spec that explains the design, the capabilities, and how its supposed to work in the abstract. (Any body ever seen the BNF for the VB language, or a spec on VB/ASP from MS???) How many platforms does/will ASP+ run on (How many platforms does VB run on?)? Will you have to use RAD tools to get the most out of it or can you use a text editor and command line and get the same level of capabilities if you wish? Will the runtime and design-time of ASP+ somehow be intertwined (in an unpublished way) so that MS tools will have the adva
Re: ASP vs JSP
Well said. ;) I am not one sided..I wrote code with ActiveX, COM, and such for a while. But if you are true to your knowledge, anyone will admit that Java is much cleaner code than C/C++ (easier to read, easier to understand, easier to write), and JSP/Servlets are far easier to understand than COM. Plus, while in-process is possible with DLLs, you don't see the whole server going down if a servlet craps out (not usually). COM was (and is) notorious (at least on the web side) for bringing down IIS if something goes wrong with the component (memory overwrite, etc). I know this from experience..we had nightmares when using this technology. Its much different with Java, thats for sure. Can you honestly say VBScript is easier to work with than Java scriplets in the pages? I saw plenty of VBScript code and its much harder to understand (initially). Does VBScript allow you the full access to the Windows APIs in an ASP page? I don't think so. JSP does allow you full access to the JDK Apis, even though its not exactly best to put that in JSP pages. There are pros/cons to both technologies. I'll be the first to admit I haven't read up on ASP+, so I can't say if that will be better. The 3rd party tools for ASP aren't all there either..they work sometimes, but not as reliable as they are on the Windows platform. How many people are going to go the route of (as Rick said) a closed architecture proprietary setup when J2EE is making such a huge impact on the industry. I have yet to see any other implementation of ASP other than MS, and thats bad. Your stuck with whatever they choose. Anyways..nuff said. JSP is better! ;) -Original Message- From: Rick Jesse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 9:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ASP vs JSP My reponse is, JSP is an open architecture, based on a published *SPEC* with many, many commerical and open source implementations. You can judge an implementation by determining spec compliance and going from there (performance, etc.). Where is the ASP or ASP+ spec? I'm not talking about documentation on how to use the stuff, but a spec that explains the design, the capabilities, and how its supposed to work in the abstract. (Any body ever seen the BNF for the VB language, or a spec on VB/ASP from MS???) How many platforms does/will ASP+ run on (How many platforms does VB run on?)? Will you have to use RAD tools to get the most out of it or can you use a text editor and command line and get the same level of capabilities if you wish? Will the runtime and design-time of ASP+ somehow be intertwined (in an unpublished way) so that MS tools will have the advantage over 3rd party tools for first 2 or 3 releases (how many 3rd part VB RAD tools do you know of)? When will the *SOURCE CODE* to ASP or ASP+ MS implemenation be available anytime soon? What open process is in place so that I, as an ISV, can make recommendations to ASP or ASP+? JSP may be rather primitive, but every developer -- not ones with special access because they've agreed to be MS partners, etc. -- can know how JSP is supposed to work and not be dependent on a single implementation. That's why everyone is using it. They have choices and options because its an OPEN architecture. There is a huge, huge, difference between Java and VB on the level of openness and architectural concientiousness. (Question: if I wanted to use a hash table in VB, does anyone know off hand what's available in MS VB? -- get real!!!) Please do not equate them. Furthermore, ASP or ASP+ will never match up with JSP/Servlets because ASP and ASP+ inheriently closed and proprietary -- no spec, source code, or cross platform implemenation has ever been released for these MS technologies. Forget the MS stuff... I have not seen or heard of one serious, commerical web architecture in the last two years that has any MS product in the entire architecture. No one wants to be limited by a closed architecture. Let's put is this way, if your pissed with the bugs or performance of your NT based ASP implementation, what alternatives to you have? - Original Message - From: "Nasser Dassi" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 8:06 PM Subject: Re: ASP vs JSP Hi all, I beg to differ on a few points mentioned between ASP and JSP. The transition is dependent on which scripting language someone is more comfortable with (Java/JavaScript or Visual Basic)... that's a given. But as far as usability, it entirely depends on the configuration you would like to go with. Although ASP is Microsoft-specific (although that is no longer true with advent of 3rd Party software packages aimed at Unix-based servers to adopt ASP PerlScript), ASP+ and all the new bells and whistles that will become available along the MS platforms would quantitatively and qualitativel
Re: ASP vs JSP
Hi, Thanks a lot guys. The discussion has been very helpful. We have decided to go ahead with JSP. One of the reasons also being that we already have some people with JSP expertise. We do have a tight schedule, but after considering our design, I think it wouldn't be a problem to get the portal over in time This was my first qeustion on the list and i am really thankful to everyone for the prompt and valuable response. Regards Ruta - Original Message - From: Duffey, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2000 12:45 PM Subject: Re: ASP vs JSP Well said. ;) I am not one sided..I wrote code with ActiveX, COM, and such for a while. But if you are true to your knowledge, anyone will admit that Java is much cleaner code than C/C++ (easier to read, easier to understand, easier to write), and JSP/Servlets are far easier to understand than COM. Plus, while in-process is possible with DLLs, you don't see the whole server going down if a servlet craps out (not usually). COM was (and is) notorious (at least on the web side) for bringing down IIS if something goes wrong with the component (memory overwrite, etc). I know this from experience..we had nightmares when using this technology. Its much different with Java, thats for sure. Can you honestly say VBScript is easier to work with than Java scriplets in the pages? I saw plenty of VBScript code and its much harder to understand (initially). Does VBScript allow you the full access to the Windows APIs in an ASP page? I don't think so. JSP does allow you full access to the JDK Apis, even though its not exactly best to put that in JSP pages. There are pros/cons to both technologies. I'll be the first to admit I haven't read up on ASP+, so I can't say if that will be better. The 3rd party tools for ASP aren't all there either..they work sometimes, but not as reliable as they are on the Windows platform. How many people are going to go the route of (as Rick said) a closed architecture proprietary setup when J2EE is making such a huge impact on the industry. I have yet to see any other implementation of ASP other than MS, and thats bad. Your stuck with whatever they choose. Anyways..nuff said. JSP is better! ;) -Original Message- From: Rick Jesse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 9:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ASP vs JSP My reponse is, JSP is an open architecture, based on a published *SPEC* with many, many commerical and open source implementations. You can judge an implementation by determining spec compliance and going from there (performance, etc.). Where is the ASP or ASP+ spec? I'm not talking about documentation on how to use the stuff, but a spec that explains the design, the capabilities, and how its supposed to work in the abstract. (Any body ever seen the BNF for the VB language, or a spec on VB/ASP from MS???) How many platforms does/will ASP+ run on (How many platforms does VB run on?)? Will you have to use RAD tools to get the most out of it or can you use a text editor and command line and get the same level of capabilities if you wish? Will the runtime and design-time of ASP+ somehow be intertwined (in an unpublished way) so that MS tools will have the advantage over 3rd party tools for first 2 or 3 releases (how many 3rd part VB RAD tools do you know of)? When will the *SOURCE CODE* to ASP or ASP+ MS implemenation be available anytime soon? What open process is in place so that I, as an ISV, can make recommendations to ASP or ASP+? JSP may be rather primitive, but every developer -- not ones with special access because they've agreed to be MS partners, etc. -- can know how JSP is supposed to work and not be dependent on a single implementation. That's why everyone is using it. They have choices and options because its an OPEN architecture. There is a huge, huge, difference between Java and VB on the level of openness and architectural concientiousness. (Question: if I wanted to use a hash table in VB, does anyone know off hand what's available in MS VB? -- get real!!!) Please do not equate them. Furthermore, ASP or ASP+ will never match up with JSP/Servlets because ASP and ASP+ inheriently closed and proprietary -- no spec, source code, or cross platform implemenation has ever been released for these MS technologies. Forget the MS stuff... I have not seen or heard of one serious, commerical web architecture in the last two years that has any MS product in the entire architecture. No one wants to be limited by a closed architecture. Let's put is this way, if your pissed with the bugs or performance of your NT based ASP implementation, what alternatives to you have? - Original Message - From: "Nasser Dassi" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent
Re: ASP vs JSP (Answers to recent Questions)
I was scanning this, and some of the claims involved deserved some reaction. On Sat, 23 Sep 2000, Nasser Dassi wrote: .(Any body ever seen the BNF for the VB language, or a spec on VB/ASP from MS???) * Specs? Yes. It's a matter of finding it... they don't advertise it, but they do have specs published. It's a matter of actually looking into. Research before making outrageous claims. Yeah, advertising specs is always something you want people to have to search for, instead of making it easily available. When will the *SOURCE CODE* to ASP or ASP+ MS implemenation be available anytime soon? * Patience. As with open-source releases, you cannot have access to something if it's not finished yet. If Linus Tolvalds hasn't finished a looping process in his code, will you blame him for not releasing what he already has completed despite knowing the non-completion of necessary code Hmm, I'm unaware of MS having any intention of opening or releasing the source code to a cash cow - that'd be stupid from a business standpoint, IMHO. They have a distinct reason for making the spec not-so-easy to find; if you know exactly how it's supposed to do things, it can be reverse-engineered and the profit goes down from competition from other sources. What open process is in place so that I, as an ISV, can make recommendations to ASP or ASP+? * How can anyone critique something not-yet widely available? There are many comparison charts published in various publication outlets (online, and off) that discuss such issues. LOOK 'EM UP! You say "not widely available," indicating that it's (ahem) "narrowly available." Is this the case? If so, MS is a lot more stupid than their previous record indicates. JSP... They have choices and options because its an OPEN architecture. * Again, open-ness is not always a SECURE thing. It's rather dangerous. I was willing to ignore this email until I hit this. This is a retarded, slanted, IGNORANT statement. Simply put: there's NOTHING that's "always secure." Period. You can point to OpenBSD and its reputation for FANTASTIC security... and then you'll find security alerts with it. In fact, those security alerts are marvelously instructive, some of them covering issues that are amazingly convoluted, on the order of "On the second Tuesday of February, if it's the 8th, and someone mallocs exactly 624 bytes while using sbrk() manually..." - these aren't situations that just come up commonly enough that people notice them. This is an open process, where lots of concerned eyes examine the code. Notices are sent out as soon as a bug is fond, rather than as soon as the fix is available; that's also openness. On the other hand, you have closed systems... where the concerned eyes are mosty concerned with "can we sell it?" I'm a capitalist, but I'm also a realist - if it doesn't affect the bottom line, it won't get fixed, with squeaky wheels getting the grease, etc. The attitude of closed source (commercial) products is, more often than not, is "despite this hole or bug, will people still buy it?" If the answer is "no," the hole is plugged. If the answer is "yes," then it might get plugged. (See the difference?) In fact, how many times have we found out about a bug in a commercial program only to have the company say, "We knew about that a while back." My question: WHY THE HECK DIDN'T YOU TELL US ABOUT IT!?! With open projects, bug reports are more common. That *does* tend to make them *more* secure on the whole, because it's a "published itch" and you've got lots of people just itching to get their names in the codebase. Forget the MS stuff... No one wants to be limited by a closed architecture. Let's put is this way, if your pissed with the bugs or performance of your NT based ASP implementation, what alternatives to you have? * Security, security, security. Does nothing stated make any sense?? If no one knows the actual, line-by-line code of a program, that means there are less people who can actually break it apart. However, if the entire code base is available, then more people can see how things work and how to break them down. Oh, man, this is sad. I know people who can break NT (hack into it) in about ten minutes... and have been able to exploit the same holes for a few years. Yeah, security, security, security. At least *NIX makes hackers learn something new all the time... and published reports of security failures causes *NIX to improve all the time. To close: It's okay to like ASP over JSP, especially if you're more familiar with it or are happier with aspects of it. JSP is necessarily aimed at a slightly different market. However, security isn't the issue - not when you're talking about NT. ASP grows because it's simple. ASP sucks because it's simple. (PHP has the same issue, for example - lots of people use it b
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One last thing on this... I've looked at ASP+ and COM+ in detail, and get ready for a laugh if any of you do look into either. COM+ is a Java copy: C# and VB are compiled into byte codes which run in the COM+ VM. COM+ even has the same core class library layout the JDK has. (WFC which is the MS equivalent of Swing, which was released with J++ a couple years ago, now runs under COM+.) ASP+ is a JSP/Servlet copy: the architecture its based on a *compiled* COM+ object that is bound to an HTML template -- can you say Model 2 architecture? Anyway, who cares about this stuff -- even if they release the source code why would anyone switch to using a proprietary copy of Java? -Rick - Original Message - From: "Ruta Thakkar" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 2:38 PM Subject: Re: ASP vs JSP Hi, Thanks a lot guys. The discussion has been very helpful. We have decided to go ahead with JSP. One of the reasons also being that we already have some people with JSP expertise. We do have a tight schedule, but after considering our design, I think it wouldn't be a problem to get the portal over in time This was my first qeustion on the list and i am really thankful to everyone for the prompt and valuable response. Regards Ruta - Original Message - From: Duffey, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2000 12:45 PM Subject: Re: ASP vs JSP Well said. ;) I am not one sided..I wrote code with ActiveX, COM, and such for a while. But if you are true to your knowledge, anyone will admit that Java is much cleaner code than C/C++ (easier to read, easier to understand, easier to write), and JSP/Servlets are far easier to understand than COM. Plus, while in-process is possible with DLLs, you don't see the whole server going down if a servlet craps out (not usually). COM was (and is) notorious (at least on the web side) for bringing down IIS if something goes wrong with the component (memory overwrite, etc). I know this from experience..we had nightmares when using this technology. Its much different with Java, thats for sure. Can you honestly say VBScript is easier to work with than Java scriplets in the pages? I saw plenty of VBScript code and its much harder to understand (initially). Does VBScript allow you the full access to the Windows APIs in an ASP page? I don't think so. JSP does allow you full access to the JDK Apis, even though its not exactly best to put that in JSP pages. There are pros/cons to both technologies. I'll be the first to admit I haven't read up on ASP+, so I can't say if that will be better. The 3rd party tools for ASP aren't all there either..they work sometimes, but not as reliable as they are on the Windows platform. How many people are going to go the route of (as Rick said) a closed architecture proprietary setup when J2EE is making such a huge impact on the industry. I have yet to see any other implementation of ASP other than MS, and thats bad. Your stuck with whatever they choose. Anyways..nuff said. JSP is better! ;) -Original Message- From: Rick Jesse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 9:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ASP vs JSP My reponse is, JSP is an open architecture, based on a published *SPEC* with many, many commerical and open source implementations. You can judge an implementation by determining spec compliance and going from there (performance, etc.). Where is the ASP or ASP+ spec? I'm not talking about documentation on how to use the stuff, but a spec that explains the design, the capabilities, and how its supposed to work in the abstract. (Any body ever seen the BNF for the VB language, or a spec on VB/ASP from MS???) How many platforms does/will ASP+ run on (How many platforms does VB run on?)? Will you have to use RAD tools to get the most out of it or can you use a text editor and command line and get the same level of capabilities if you wish? Will the runtime and design-time of ASP+ somehow be intertwined (in an unpublished way) so that MS tools will have the advantage over 3rd party tools for first 2 or 3 releases (how many 3rd part VB RAD tools do you know of)? When will the *SOURCE CODE* to ASP or ASP+ MS implemenation be available anytime soon? What open process is in place so that I, as an ISV, can make recommendations to ASP or ASP+? JSP may be rather primitive, but every developer -- not ones with special access because they've agreed to be MS partners, etc. -- can know how JSP is supposed to work and not be dependent on a single implementation. That's why everyone is using it. They have choices and options because its an OPEN architecture. There is a huge, huge, difference between J
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I think that you will switch to anything if you will not be able to afford your current life style. -Original Message- From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rick Jesse Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2000 10:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ASP vs JSP One last thing on this... I've looked at ASP+ and COM+ in detail, and get ready for a laugh if any of you do look into either. COM+ is a Java copy: C# and VB are compiled into byte codes which run in the COM+ VM. COM+ even has the same core class library layout the JDK has. (WFC which is the MS equivalent of Swing, which was released with J++ a couple years ago, now runs under COM+.) ASP+ is a JSP/Servlet copy: the architecture its based on a *compiled* COM+ object that is bound to an HTML template -- can you say Model 2 architecture? Anyway, who cares about this stuff -- even if they release the source code why would anyone switch to using a proprietary copy of Java? -Rick - Original Message - From: "Ruta Thakkar" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 2:38 PM Subject: Re: ASP vs JSP Hi, Thanks a lot guys. The discussion has been very helpful. We have decided to go ahead with JSP. One of the reasons also being that we already have some people with JSP expertise. We do have a tight schedule, but after considering our design, I think it wouldn't be a problem to get the portal over in time This was my first qeustion on the list and i am really thankful to everyone for the prompt and valuable response. Regards Ruta - Original Message - From: Duffey, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2000 12:45 PM Subject: Re: ASP vs JSP Well said. ;) I am not one sided..I wrote code with ActiveX, COM, and such for a while. But if you are true to your knowledge, anyone will admit that Java is much cleaner code than C/C++ (easier to read, easier to understand, easier to write), and JSP/Servlets are far easier to understand than COM. Plus, while in-process is possible with DLLs, you don't see the whole server going down if a servlet craps out (not usually). COM was (and is) notorious (at least on the web side) for bringing down IIS if something goes wrong with the component (memory overwrite, etc). I know this from experience..we had nightmares when using this technology. Its much different with Java, thats for sure. Can you honestly say VBScript is easier to work with than Java scriplets in the pages? I saw plenty of VBScript code and its much harder to understand (initially). Does VBScript allow you the full access to the Windows APIs in an ASP page? I don't think so. JSP does allow you full access to the JDK Apis, even though its not exactly best to put that in JSP pages. There are pros/cons to both technologies. I'll be the first to admit I haven't read up on ASP+, so I can't say if that will be better. The 3rd party tools for ASP aren't all there either..they work sometimes, but not as reliable as they are on the Windows platform. How many people are going to go the route of (as Rick said) a closed architecture proprietary setup when J2EE is making such a huge impact on the industry. I have yet to see any other implementation of ASP other than MS, and thats bad. Your stuck with whatever they choose. Anyways..nuff said. JSP is better! ;) -Original Message- From: Rick Jesse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 9:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ASP vs JSP My reponse is, JSP is an open architecture, based on a published *SPEC* with many, many commerical and open source implementations. You can judge an implementation by determining spec compliance and going from there (performance, etc.). Where is the ASP or ASP+ spec? I'm not talking about documentation on how to use the stuff, but a spec that explains the design, the capabilities, and how its supposed to work in the abstract. (Any body ever seen the BNF for the VB language, or a spec on VB/ASP from MS???) How many platforms does/will ASP+ run on (How many platforms does VB run on?)? Will you have to use RAD tools to get the most out of it or can you use a text editor and command line and get the same level of capabilities if you wish? Will the runtime and design-time of ASP+ somehow be intertwined (in an unpublished way) so that MS tools will have the advantage over 3rd party tools for first 2 or 3 releases (how many 3rd part VB RAD tools do you know of)? When will the *SOURCE CODE* to ASP or ASP+ MS implemenation be available anytime soon? What open process is in place so that I, as an ISV, can make recommendations to ASP or ASP+? JSP may be rather primitive, but every developer -
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My reponse is, JSP is an open architecture, based on a published *SPEC* with many, many commerical and open source implementations. You can judge an implementation by determining spec compliance and going from there (performance, etc.). Where is the ASP or ASP+ spec? I'm not talking about documentation on how to use the stuff, but a spec that explains the design, the capabilities, and how its supposed to work in the abstract. (Any body ever seen the BNF for the VB language, or a spec on VB/ASP from MS???) How many platforms does/will ASP+ run on (How many platforms does VB run on?)? Will you have to use RAD tools to get the most out of it or can you use a text editor and command line and get the same level of capabilities if you wish? Will the runtime and design-time of ASP+ somehow be intertwined (in an unpublished way) so that MS tools will have the advantage over 3rd party tools for first 2 or 3 releases (how many 3rd part VB RAD tools do you know of)? When will the *SOURCE CODE* to ASP or ASP+ MS implemenation be available anytime soon? What open process is in place so that I, as an ISV, can make recommendations to ASP or ASP+? JSP may be rather primitive, but every developer -- not ones with special access because they've agreed to be MS partners, etc. -- can know how JSP is supposed to work and not be dependent on a single implementation. That's why everyone is using it. They have choices and options because its an OPEN architecture. There is a huge, huge, difference between Java and VB on the level of openness and architectural concientiousness. (Question: if I wanted to use a hash table in VB, does anyone know off hand what's available in MS VB? -- get real!!!) Please do not equate them. Furthermore, ASP or ASP+ will never match up with JSP/Servlets because ASP and ASP+ inheriently closed and proprietary -- no spec, source code, or cross platform implemenation has ever been released for these MS technologies. Forget the MS stuff... I have not seen or heard of one serious, commerical web architecture in the last two years that has any MS product in the entire architecture. No one wants to be limited by a closed architecture. Let's put is this way, if your pissed with the bugs or performance of your NT based ASP implementation, what alternatives to you have? - Original Message - From: "Nasser Dassi" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 8:06 PM Subject: Re: ASP vs JSP Hi all, I beg to differ on a few points mentioned between ASP and JSP. The transition is dependent on which scripting language someone is more comfortable with (Java/JavaScript or Visual Basic)... that's a given. But as far as usability, it entirely depends on the configuration you would like to go with. Although ASP is Microsoft-specific (although that is no longer true with advent of 3rd Party software packages aimed at Unix-based servers to adopt ASP PerlScript), ASP+ and all the new bells and whistles that will become available along the MS platforms would quantitatively and qualitatively match up with the JSP potentials (as far as what is being produced today, not next year). In the end, they are equal: ASP+ allows an entire OS to be your web application... JSP, too, brings a Unix or Java-based OS to become your web application, too. To either, snap on an XML-based database, and if your code is created with attention and possibility of expansion, then it, too, will become platform independent (as ASP applications can be ported... and JSP applications can be moved). Important to point out: Although security is 'serious' with Microsoft, it must be noted that it is still proprietary... which means experts must decode the code. for Open Source platforms and applications, the code is already decoded -- it just becomes a matter of placing a sign over the open doors, or making a door and recompiling the kernel. Ultimately, being an eCommerce VB/ASP developer for 7 years, and an eCommerce Java/JSP developer for over a year, I found my transition quite straightforward. Final Point: If your application is properly programmed (designed), it wouldn't matter whether it's created with ASP or JSP. Wait until ASP+ has been fully released before delving into it... if you cannot wait, begin with the language you are more comfortable with (ASP or JSP). Yours Truly, Nasser - Original Message - From: "Duffey, Kevin" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 8:17 PM Subject: Re: ASP vs JSP I would be to differ. JSP is much easier to use than ASP if you know Java. If your more a Windows/Visual Basic person than ASP will be easier. I find JSP much easier to work with and offers a lot more than ASP does in the way of functionality. You get the full JDK available (if you want), as well as the power of using it on any platform (as you said) which can u
Re: ASP vs JSP (Answers to recent Questions)
Quite one-sided. I will volunteer to answer some of the questions posed. - Original Message - Where is the ASP or ASP+ spec? * Why bother knit-picking details on how it would theoretically work. Just know the darn thing to get the job done. .(Any body ever seen the BNF for the VB language, or a spec on VB/ASP from MS???) * Specs? Yes. It's a matter of finding it... they don't advertise it, but they do have specs published. It's a matter of actually looking into. Research before making outrageous claims. How many platforms does/will ASP+ run on (How many platforms does VB run on?)? * Actually, ASP+ and VB run on more than MS-based platforms... and I'm not just talking about 3rd Party software applications, either. For instance, MS has regularly made available Alpha and Solaris versions of various programs (specifically on the server side). Will you have to use RAD tools to get the most out of it or can you use a text editor and command line and get the same level of capabilities if you wish? * It is possible... but as with anything else, it's a matter of know WHAT you're doing, not alternative WAYS of getting it done. If you know what you're doing, the HOW doesn't matter (should be irrelevent). Will the runtime and design-time of ASP+ somehow be intertwined (in an unpublished way) so that MS tools will have the advantage over 3rd party tools for first 2 or 3 releases (how many 3rd part VB RAD tools do you know of)? * There easily are 4 or 5 alternatives to MS Visual Studio to get the job done for VB, J++, C++, FoxPro, and other programming needs. Again, research before jumping to conclusions. When will the *SOURCE CODE* to ASP or ASP+ MS implemenation be available anytime soon? * Patience. As with open-source releases, you cannot have access to something if it's not finished yet. If Linus Tolvalds hasn't finished a looping process in his code, will you blame him for not releasing what he already has completed despite knowing the non-completion of necessary code What open process is in place so that I, as an ISV, can make recommendations to ASP or ASP+? * How can anyone critique something not-yet widely available? There are many comparison charts published in various publication outlets (online, and off) that discuss such issues. LOOK 'EM UP! JSP... They have choices and options because its an OPEN architecture. * Again, open-ness is not always a SECURE thing. It's rather dangerous. Question: if I wanted to use a hash table in VB, does anyone know off hand what's available in MS VB? * It depends on which version of VB you'd like to use and, yes, since release 6 of Visual Studio, there has been implementation for MANY, MANY more functions. They are not always documented, but if you KNOW Visual Basic (not just say you do, but actually know how to use it) then it's not a problem. Please do not equate them. Furthermore, ASP or ASP+ will never match up with JSP/Servlets because ASP and ASP+ inheriently closed and proprietary -- no spec, source code, or cross platform implemenation has ever been released for these MS technologies. * If, not theoretically... rather, realistically, a project is more efficient using ASP, does that mean that ASP sucks? Realistically, it's all about implementation. If a JSP/Servlets-based site is not properly coded, then, ultimately, critics will believe that ASP is more successful. It's the truth. Forget the MS stuff... No one wants to be limited by a closed architecture. Let's put is this way, if your pissed with the bugs or performance of your NT based ASP implementation, what alternatives to you have? * Security, security, security. Does nothing stated make any sense?? If no one knows the actual, line-by-line code of a program, that means there are less people who can actually break it apart. However, if the entire code base is available, then more people can see how things work and how to break them down. * Businesses, it seems, are more likely to invest in security than a little squirmish between implementations. If the transactions are secure, and delivery is quick... what's the problem?!! Alternatively, how would you explain why ASP use had increased in the past... and is expected to still grown, in spite of JSP as alternative!! === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
ASP vs JSP
Hi Gurus: Can anybody list down the advantages and disadvantages of ASP vs JSP w.r.t the following: 1. Performance (support for high hit rates) 2. Ease of Development 3. Ease of Maintenance 4. Development Time We ahve to develop a portal taht initially might have hit rates of 100/hour and shud be scalable to 1000/hour. But all the hits will be for very small duration coz the request will then be directed to other sites. Yet, no decision has been made regarding the platform and there r no restrictions on choice. Also I would like to know if there are any known bugs with JSPs or anything that is not supported by JSP but is supported by ASP. I require to know this asap. Thanks Regards Ruta === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
Re: ASP vs JSP
Refer to this link http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/onlineTraining/JSPIntro/contents.htm l There is one section which contains a comparison table Hi hope this will help you Kartik -Original Message- From: Ruta Thakkar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 1996 2:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ASP vs JSP Hi Gurus: Can anybody list down the advantages and disadvantages of ASP vs JSP w.r.t the following: 1. Performance (support for high hit rates) 2. Ease of Development 3. Ease of Maintenance 4. Development Time We ahve to develop a portal taht initially might have hit rates of 100/hour and shud be scalable to 1000/hour. But all the hits will be for very small duration coz the request will then be directed to other sites. Yet, no decision has been made regarding the platform and there r no restrictions on choice. Also I would like to know if there are any known bugs with JSPs or anything that is not supported by JSP but is supported by ASP. I require to know this asap. Thanks Regards Ruta === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
Re: ASP vs JSP
There's a give and a take. You have to decide what's ultimately the most important. As for performance and tight programmatic control JSP seems to be better. If you require a quick time to market, ASP is probably your best bet. 1. Performance (support for high hit rates) JSP is better. It compiles to servlets instead of being line-x-line interpreted. BUT, ASP+ should do this as well when it comes out. You also have the option of not running on NT which can mean you'll potentially see a performance boost. 2. Ease of Development Not too bad but not nearly as easy as ASP. The syntax is more complex, and some things that would normally take 1 linein ASP, take many more in JSP. Retrieving a simple cookie for instance. On the other hand, Java offers a great number of resources inherently. On the other hand, with ASP you have some pretty amazing products like SiteServer you can rely upon. 3. Ease of Maintenance That all depends upon how you architect your project. 4. Development Time ASP was built for RAD development; a cousin of VB - one of the all-time great RAD tools. -Original Message- From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Shah Kartik Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 1:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [JSP-INTEREST] ASP vs JSP Refer to this link http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/onlineTraining/JSPIntro/contents.htm l There is one section which contains a comparison table Hi hope this will help you Kartik -Original Message- From: Ruta Thakkar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 1996 2:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ASP vs JSP Hi Gurus: Can anybody list down the advantages and disadvantages of ASP vs JSP w.r.t the following: 1. Performance (support for high hit rates) 2. Ease of Development 3. Ease of Maintenance 4. Development Time We ahve to develop a portal taht initially might have hit rates of 100/hour and shud be scalable to 1000/hour. But all the hits will be for very small duration coz the request will then be directed to other sites. Yet, no decision has been made regarding the platform and there r no restrictions on choice. Also I would like to know if there are any known bugs with JSPs or anything that is not supported by JSP but is supported by ASP. I require to know this asap. Thanks Regards Ruta === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
Re: ASP vs JSP
Hi all, I beg to differ on a few points mentioned between ASP and JSP. The transition is dependent on which scripting language someone is more comfortable with (Java/JavaScript or Visual Basic)... that's a given. But as far as usability, it entirely depends on the configuration you would like to go with. Although ASP is Microsoft-specific (although that is no longer true with advent of 3rd Party software packages aimed at Unix-based servers to adopt ASP PerlScript), ASP+ and all the new bells and whistles that will become available along the MS platforms would quantitatively and qualitatively match up with the JSP potentials (as far as what is being produced today, not next year). In the end, they are equal: ASP+ allows an entire OS to be your web application... JSP, too, brings a Unix or Java-based OS to become your web application, too. To either, snap on an XML-based database, and if your code is created with attention and possibility of expansion, then it, too, will become platform independent (as ASP applications can be ported... and JSP applications can be moved). Important to point out: Although security is 'serious' with Microsoft, it must be noted that it is still proprietary... which means experts must decode the code. for Open Source platforms and applications, the code is already decoded -- it just becomes a matter of placing a sign over the open doors, or making a door and recompiling the kernel. Ultimately, being an eCommerce VB/ASP developer for 7 years, and an eCommerce Java/JSP developer for over a year, I found my transition quite straightforward. Final Point: If your application is properly programmed (designed), it wouldn't matter whether it's created with ASP or JSP. Wait until ASP+ has been fully released before delving into it... if you cannot wait, begin with the language you are more comfortable with (ASP or JSP). Yours Truly, Nasser - Original Message - From: "Duffey, Kevin" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 8:17 PM Subject: Re: ASP vs JSP I would be to differ. JSP is much easier to use than ASP if you know Java. If your more a Windows/Visual Basic person than ASP will be easier. I find JSP much easier to work with and offers a lot more than ASP does in the way of functionality. You get the full JDK available (if you want), as well as the power of using it on any platform (as you said) which can ultimately give you much more powerful servers, thus increase performance, reliability, and scalability. COM is inherently more complex to work with than JavaBeans and EJB, although EJB isn't a piece of cake either. Even is ASP+ is compiled into some format, its still tied to Windows, while your JSP code can move not only to any platform, but to any app server that implements J2EE on that platform. So now you are free to choose the platform AND the software to run your code with. Plus, I am quite sure Java/EJB is, or will soon have much more support for enterprise development than MTS/ASP/COM/DCOM. There is a reason Java is now the #1 sought after development language and a large number of companies are flocking to J2EE. J2EE is made up of many big companies (and many small ones), while MTS/ASP and all that jazz is strictly MS. This is one place I think MS wont come close on. They have lost this war of enterprise solutions in my opinion. There are still a lot of people that are solid MS and anti-java, but there are a lot more realizing the potential for java based solutions. ... === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
Re: ASP vs JSP
I don't knowthat sounds pretty one sided to me. I like Java too, but it's not the only show on the road,and not the only one wirth buying a ticket to. ;-) Both JSP and ASP have a lot to offer and it really depends upon a number of factors as to what you pick, but an interesting point was raised: Whatever your programmers are already familiar and comfortable with is probably goingto be your best bet. -N -Original Message- From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Duffey, Kevin Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 8:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [JSP-INTEREST] ASP vs JSP There's a give and a take. You have to decide what's ultimately the most important. As for performance and tight programmatic control JSP seems to be better. If you require a quick time to market, ASP is probably your best bet. I would be to differ. JSP is much easier to use than ASP if you know Java. If your more a Windows/Visual Basic person than ASP will be easier. I find JSP much easier to work with and offers a lot more than ASP does in the way of functionality. You get the full JDK available (if you want), as well as the power of using it on any platform (as you said) which can ultimately give you much more powerful servers, thus increase performance, reliability, and scalability. COM is inherently more complex to work with than JavaBeans and EJB, although EJB isn't a piece of cake either. Even is ASP+ is compiled into some format, its still tied to Windows, while your JSP code can move not only to any platform, but to any app server that implements J2EE on that platform. So now you are free to choose the platform AND the software to run your code with. Plus, I am quite sure Java/EJB is, or will soon have much more support for enterprise development than MTS/ASP/COM/DCOM. There is a reason Java is now the #1 sought after development language and a large number of companies are flocking to J2EE. J2EE is made up of many big companies (and many small ones), while MTS/ASP and all that jazz is strictly MS. This is one place I think MS wont come close on. They have lost this war of enterprise solutions in my opinion. There are still a lot of people that are solid MS and anti-java, but there are a lot more realizing the potential for java based solutions. 1. Performance (support for high hit rates) JSP is better. It compiles to servlets instead of being line-x-line interpreted. BUT, ASP+ should do this as well when it comes out. You also have the option of not running on NT which can mean you'll potentially see a performance boost. Agreed. 2. Ease of Development Not too bad but not nearly as easy as ASP. The syntax is more complex, and some things that would normally take 1 linein ASP, take many more in JSP. Retrieving a simple cookie for instance. On the other hand, Java offers a great number of resources inherently. On the other hand, with ASP you have some pretty amazing products like SiteServer you can rely upon. Disagreed. JSP is easier if you know Java. ASP is easier if you are a Visual Basic guru. JSP does look cleaner in an html editor than ASP does if you ask me, but that is my opinion. 3. Ease of Maintenance That all depends upon how you architect your project. Agreed. If you follow MVC where you use JSP for strictly a view of data, and let the server side servlet and actions do the controlling, while EJB does the logic, your set! 4. Development Time ASP was built for RAD development; a cousin of VB - one of the all-time great RAD tools. That will soon change with JSP 1.1 aware editors. Drag and Drop of beans onto html pages wont be far from now, with maniuplating tags (JSP 1.1) and beans and their properties. Also, you'll have alot more tag solutions for html pages with JSP that you can drop in for such things as iterations of a list of items, a drop-down selection box based on dynamic input to the list of the drop-down and the selected item(s), and so on. Unless I am mistaken, I don't think ASP supports any type of special tags like the tag-lib support for JSP 1.1. I think for an html person it will be much easier reading JSP tag-lib in the page than ASP. === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/j
Re: asp v. jsp/servlet environment? also called Re: FTP From JSP
---Snipped from JSPInsider article: ... these are good times to be a simple country programmer! Casey: To have life so simple is always a joy. Unfortunately,... Thanks for posting your site and the link to your first-in-a-series article. It presents an informative and intriguing comparison of asp to jsp. It seems a comparison is better made between MS IIS server-side technologies, including asp, with its limited internet server support (principally MS IIS), to server-side Java, including jsp, which is widely supported by most internet server platforms out there. In case some may perceive MS bashing, I like MS tools. I've developed sw for decades, using MS tools for a good part of that time. Among them, I develop in MS VC++ on an NT workstation/server, and run first-tests of C++ and Java apps on MS IIS. Yes, NT IIS is simple, easy to install and manage, but at best, MS IIS leaves ambivalence. MS IIS seems a little like Macintosh: a good platform without market acceptance in important application areas. The lessons of Apple Computer (Apple once held dominant market share) and Ashton Tate's dBase (ditto. Now, Ashton who?) resonate. Great technologies don't die, they fade into oblivion. (Does anyone remember Betamax, VisiCalc or VisiOn?). The argument in favor of MS IIS is that, for "small" sites, MS IIS (asp) holds its own in comparison to Java servers (and jsp), admitting that server-side Java is better suited for "larger" sites. Has anyone argued otherwise? Ultimately, it's unimportant how capable MS IIS asp may be. Use determines acceptance. Many dBase programmers have said, "dBase can do that," but dBase is not used for so many "thats." Similarly, at some point, IS resources turn away from MS IIS towards more accepted platforms. At what point does MS IIS and asp fade into oblivion? Your article suggests an expansive definition for a "small" site, raising a valid question as to how small is "small." Your term "users" seems more clearly called "client requests," since an Internet client-server "user" usually disconnects once the request is satisfied. To call 500 simultaneous requests a "small" site seems a bit much. A quick run at the numbers suggests that a maximum of 500 simultaneous client requests means that server capacity could far exceed 15 million hits per month, 500,000 per day. Shove most NT IIS servers into this environment would prove disappointing. The limit is one of acceptable usage. Of course, MS wants IS managers to believe the limit is the hardware, not the NT (Win2000) OS; perhaps they are right. Still, in my experience, MS IIS(NT/Win2000) is not the preferred choice for high traffic machines. Implementing asp-com technologies outside MS IIS is difficult, at best. IS management seems to accept the concept that MS IIS is acceptable for "small" i-server apps and most IS people feel comfortable saying Java is superior beyond some minimally "small" size site. One question is "How big is a "small" site?" Another question is, "Do you want to speculate with your, or your company's, resources on whether MS IIS will ever be accepted as suitable for serving a rapidly expanding client base with growing client needs?" Bill Gates says he's betting the company on his new net technologies, just as VisiCorp once bet their company on VisiOn (Visi-what?). Do you want to bet your project on MS IIS future, ignoring accepted MS IIS limits? This much seems most simple: Java servers are the accepted choice for growing sites with big-picture needs. Here, the future of MS IIS is simply speculative. Comments? Phil Campbell the-wally-project.org -Original Message- From: casey kochmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, July 07, 2000 2:41 PM Subject: Re: asp v. jsp/servlet environment? Hello Phil I just recently wrote an article discussing your questions topic. The article is called ASP Vs JSP and it is the first of several installments on this topic. You can read the article at http://www.jspinsider.com/articles/jspasp/jspasp1.html === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
asp v. jsp/servlet environment?
Can someone recommend a good on-line article on pros and cons of asp v. jsp? We're not too impressed with what we know about asp, seeing no advantage over jsp and believing it may have noteworthy disadvantages. Any thoughts, comments are appreciated Phil Campbell === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
Re: asp v. jsp/servlet environment?
Go to orionserver.com , Under the FAQ section there is a link to benchmark , which compares performance of ASP vs JSP === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
Re: asp v. jsp/servlet environment?
This question has been posted before, I think it should be on the FAQ list or the archive. Anyhow, here are the links I saved from last post: Here are some references with comparisons between ASP and JSP: Comparing JavaServer Pages and Microsoft Active Server Pages Technologies http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/jsp-asp.html JavaServer Pages for the ASP Developer http://www.asptoday.com/articles/19991022.htm JSP will win hearts, but competition is strong http://www.zdnet.com/eweek/stories/general/0,11011,410709,00.html Shane Duan [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Phil Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 9:33 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:asp v. jsp/servlet environment? Can someone recommend a good on-line article on pros and cons of asp v. jsp? We're not too impressed with what we know about asp, seeing no advantage over jsp and believing it may have noteworthy disadvantages. Any thoughts, comments are appreciated Phil Campbell === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
Re: asp v. jsp/servlet environment?
www.serverpages.com has some good articles on this. - Original Message - From: Phil Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 8:33 AM Subject: asp v. jsp/servlet environment? Can someone recommend a good on-line article on pros and cons of asp v. jsp? We're not too impressed with what we know about asp, seeing no advantage over jsp and believing it may have noteworthy disadvantages. Any thoughts, comments are appreciated Phil Campbell === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
Re: asp v. jsp/servlet environment?
If you look at the benchmark test, a very simplistic file bench.asp and bench.jsp was used. In real environment if you are using asp or jsp its not for static data (or else html would have been better) but for dynamic data and always involves database interaction. I think this is where Microsoft scores a point because NT's IIS interaction with Microsoft SQL Sever 7.0 is highly optimised. Any benchmark test should consider database interactivity too. It really depends on lot of factors when it comes to making a choice between JSP ASP. I would recommend that if performance is the only criteria then you should do your benchmark using a "real-world" asp/jsp code that you would use in your environment. -Original Message- From: Daryani Santosh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 10:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: asp v. jsp/servlet environment? Go to orionserver.com , Under the FAQ section there is a link to benchmark , which compares performance of ASP vs JSP === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
Re: asp v. jsp/servlet environment?
i liked that -- From: Graham Cruickshanks[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Reply To: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 9:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: asp v. jsp/servlet environment? I've been working with ASP for 3 year before changing recently to JSP, JSP Advantages: More reliable, (ASP may look like it works but JSP/Javabeans mean you have to catch exceptions i.e. better code) Faster ( really ) Object Oriented ( finally reusable code ) You can use a Debugger ( try that in ASP ) run anywhere etc, Tags Easy DB Connection Pool Complied Code ( Clients can't nick the source ) JSP Disadvantages require more expensive, good programmers where as monkeys can program ASP Cheers Graham Cruickshanks www.itsnotrocketscience.com -Original Message- From: Phil Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 07 July 2000 15:33 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: asp v. jsp/servlet environment? Can someone recommend a good on-line article on pros and cons of asp v. jsp? We're not too impressed with what we know about asp, seeing no advantage over jsp and believing it may have noteworthy disadvantages. Any thoughts, comments are appreciated Phil Campbell == = To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets == = To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
Re: asp v. jsp/servlet environment?
I've been working with ASP for 3 year before changing recently to JSP,... It seems with this list of pros and cons, one would be well advised to avoid Microsoft's asp as one would avoid Cleopatra 's asp or the biblical asp... Phil -Original Message- From: Graham Cruickshanks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, July 07, 2000 9:39 AM Subject: Re: asp v. jsp/servlet environment? I've been working with ASP for 3 year before changing recently to JSP, JSP Advantages: More reliable, (ASP may look like it works but JSP/Javabeans mean you have to catch exceptions i.e. better code) Faster ( really ) Object Oriented ( finally reusable code ) You can use a Debugger ( try that in ASP ) run anywhere etc, Tags Easy DB Connection Pool Complied Code ( Clients can't nick the source ) JSP Disadvantages require more expensive, good programmers where as monkeys can program ASP Cheers Graham Cruickshanks www.itsnotrocketscience.com -Original Message- From: Phil Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 07 July 2000 15:33 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: asp v. jsp/servlet environment? Can someone recommend a good on-line article on pros and cons of asp v. jsp? We're not too impressed with what we know about asp, seeing no advantage over jsp and believing it may have noteworthy disadvantages. Any thoughts, comments are appreciated Phil Campbell === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
Re: asp v. jsp/servlet environment?
Hello Phil I just recently wrote an article discussing your questions topic. The article is called ASP Vs JSP and it is the first of several installments on this topic. You can read the article at http://www.jspinsider.com/articles/jspasp/jspasp1.html At this time I suppose I can also announce a new JSP web site Called: JSP Insider. The URL is http://www.jspinsider.com We are in pilot mode for the month of July and would appreciate any feedback the JSP community might have to help us make the best possible JSP resource site. Our goal is to help people have an easy time using and learning JSP and also offering access to the tools to make us successful as developers. Casey Kochmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Phil Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: asp v. jsp/servlet environment? Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 08:33:26 -0600 Can someone recommend a good on-line article on pros and cons of asp v. jsp? We're not too impressed with what we know about asp, seeing no advantage over jsp and believing it may have noteworthy disadvantages. Any thoughts, comments are appreciated Phil Campbell === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
Re: Passing Session values between ASP and JSP
Daryani,
If you are just saving simple values in the session why not just use
a temporary cookie? Save the values to the cookie from ASP and then
read the values in from JSP. Your session id in ASP depends on the client
having cookies enabled anyway ... so why not?
If there are many values .. then use a cookie dictionary ...
I think this is the simplest solution ...
Cheers,
Jonathan
-Original Message-
From: Daryani Santosh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 30 June, 2000 3:16 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Passing Session values between ASP and JSP
Hi All,
I am working on JSPs that interact with another website , where
the
pages are ASPs , I need to get the session values set in a ASP into a JSP.
Session variables work fine between ASP-ASP and JSP-JSP but inter ASP-JSP
communication results in null session variables. I am not sure though , but
I
believe that there should'nt be any problem in doing so.
Can anyone throw some light on this. Your response is appreciated
ASP code
%
Session("cono")="7719"
%
JSP code
%
String cono= (String)session.getValue("cono")
out.println("Value returned from session ="+cono);//results in a null
%
Thanks in advance
Santosh
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Re: Passing Session values between ASP and JSP
Hi,
I think, session value cannot be shared across website, b'cos, the server
creates a new session to the client or browser when the url requested is a
new web site. Since the jsp's are in one site and ASP's in another website,
they cannot share a common session id. Two different sessions will be
created for them, unless both the ASP and JSP are used in the same
website(webserver).
krish
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From: Cogley, Jonathan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 8:29 PM
Subject: Re: Passing Session values between ASP and JSP
Daryani,
If you are just saving simple values in the session why not just use
a temporary cookie? Save the values to the cookie from ASP and then
read the values in from JSP. Your session id in ASP depends on the client
having cookies enabled anyway ... so why not?
If there are many values .. then use a cookie dictionary ...
I think this is the simplest solution ...
Cheers,
Jonathan
-Original Message-
From: Daryani Santosh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 30 June, 2000 3:16 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Passing Session values between ASP and JSP
Hi All,
I am working on JSPs that interact with another website , where
the
pages are ASPs , I need to get the session values set in a ASP into a JSP.
Session variables work fine between ASP-ASP and JSP-JSP but inter ASP-JSP
communication results in null session variables. I am not sure though ,
but
I
believe that there should'nt be any problem in doing so.
Can anyone throw some light on this. Your response is appreciated
ASP code
%
Session("cono")="7719"
%
JSP code
%
String cono= (String)session.getValue("cono")
out.println("Value returned from session ="+cono);//results in a null
%
Thanks in advance
Santosh
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Re: Passing Session values between ASP and JSP
What you are asking is possible. There are limitations. You must be running NT with a
Microsoft-friendly JVM. And you will need to
use the session related COM methods in Java to get to the ASP session data from your
servlet/JSP. See the following for more
information:
http://forum.java.sun.com/forum?14@@.eeb1e4c
David Gecawich
Adaptive MInds, Inc.
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From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jim Preston
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 4:55 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Passing Session values between ASP and JSP
JSPs become servlets and are run inside the JVM. ASPs are something else and
run in something else (sorry, don't know anything about ASPs other than that
they ain't Java). Think of the JVM and the whatever-runs-ASPs as completely
separate programs (which they are) and you'll see the problem: they don't in
any way share data, so of course each has it's own session data, never the
twain shall meet. To do what you want would require special cooperation
within the server to share the ASP and JSP session data areas.
--Jim Preston
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From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Daryani Santosh
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 12:16 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Passing Session values between ASP and JSP
Hi All,
I am working on JSPs that interact with another website , where
the
pages are ASPs , I need to get the session values set in a ASP into a JSP.
Session variables work fine between ASP-ASP and JSP-JSP but inter ASP-JSP
communication results in null session variables. I am not sure though , but
I
believe that there should'nt be any problem in doing so.
Can anyone throw some light on this. Your response is appreciated
ASP code
%
Session("cono")="7719"
%
JSP code
%
String cono= (String)session.getValue("cono")
out.println("Value returned from session ="+cono);//results in a null
%
Thanks in advance
Santosh
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Passing Session values between ASP and JSP
Hi All,
I am working on JSPs that interact with another website , where the
pages are ASPs , I need to get the session values set in a ASP into a JSP.
Session variables work fine between ASP-ASP and JSP-JSP but inter ASP-JSP
communication results in null session variables. I am not sure though , but I
believe that there should'nt be any problem in doing so.
Can anyone throw some light on this. Your response is appreciated
ASP code
%
Session("cono")="7719"
%
JSP code
%
String cono= (String)session.getValue("cono")
out.println("Value returned from session ="+cono);//results in a null
%
Thanks in advance
Santosh
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Re: Passing Session values between ASP and JSP
JSPs become servlets and are run inside the JVM. ASPs are something else and
run in something else (sorry, don't know anything about ASPs other than that
they ain't Java). Think of the JVM and the whatever-runs-ASPs as completely
separate programs (which they are) and you'll see the problem: they don't in
any way share data, so of course each has it's own session data, never the
twain shall meet. To do what you want would require special cooperation
within the server to share the ASP and JSP session data areas.
--Jim Preston
-Original Message-
From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Daryani Santosh
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 12:16 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Passing Session values between ASP and JSP
Hi All,
I am working on JSPs that interact with another website , where
the
pages are ASPs , I need to get the session values set in a ASP into a JSP.
Session variables work fine between ASP-ASP and JSP-JSP but inter ASP-JSP
communication results in null session variables. I am not sure though , but
I
believe that there should'nt be any problem in doing so.
Can anyone throw some light on this. Your response is appreciated
ASP code
%
Session("cono")="7719"
%
JSP code
%
String cono= (String)session.getValue("cono")
out.println("Value returned from session ="+cono);//results in a null
%
Thanks in advance
Santosh
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Re: Passing Session values between ASP and JSP
I think you could serialize your session from the ASPs into a file named
after the session id, and then pass the session id to the jsp's through a
form tag.. then the jsp could read that file and set up the session variables.
If the jsp/asp sites were on separate machines, you would need to have a
jsp/servlet running that could receive the information from the ASP and
make it available to the other jsp's (either write to a file, or use the
servlet context, etc.). (i.e. you would have to make a call to this
servlet when the user left the ASP arena, passing all the session data so
that when he/she went to the first jsp page, that page would be able to
look up their session information somehow).
Of course, if it wasn't "important" data (i.e. verified a user was logged
in), you could just pass all the information in form tags from the asp to
the jsp.
-Erik
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Daryani Santosh
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 12:16 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Passing Session values between ASP and JSP
Hi All,
I am working on JSPs that interact with another website , where
the
pages are ASPs , I need to get the session values set in a ASP into a JSP.
Session variables work fine between ASP-ASP and JSP-JSP but inter ASP-JSP
communication results in null session variables. I am not sure though , but
I
believe that there should'nt be any problem in doing so.
Can anyone throw some light on this. Your response is appreciated
ASP code
%
Session("cono")="7719"
%
JSP code
%
String cono= (String)session.getValue("cono")
out.println("Value returned from session ="+cono);//results in a null
%
Thanks in advance
Santosh
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Re: ASP vs. JSP
Technologically they are the same concept. Your question would best be answered by reading more about how ASP works vs. how JSP works, what platforms they run on, and the underlying implementation of each. --shawn - Original Message - From: Som Subhra Chakraborty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 7:08 AM Subject: ASP vs. JSP Hi All, What all r the differences between asp jsp? Why jsp is a better option? Som === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
Re: ASP vs. JSP
Here are some references with comparisons between ASP and JSP: Comparing JavaServer Pages and Microsoft Active Server Pages Technologies http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/jsp-asp.html JavaServer Pages for the ASP Developer http://www.asptoday.com/articles/19991022.htm JSP will win hearts, but competition is strong http://www.zdnet.com/eweek/stories/general/0,11011,410709,00.html Steve -Original Message- From: Som Subhra Chakraborty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 5:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ASP vs. JSP Hi All, What all r the differences between asp jsp? Why jsp is a better option? Som === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
ASP vs. JSP refreshing a page
In Asp I would use Response.Buffer=True Response.ExpiresAbsolute=#Jan 01, 1980 00:00:00# How do I get JSP to Refresh its page the next time I enter it? ( the database has changed its values, so I want JSP to show the new values) === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". Some relevant FAQs on JSP/Servlets can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
ASP to JSP conversion
Hi!
I have a basic question regarding ASP to JSP conversion. I have a
statement in ASP as shown below:
for each item in request.Form("cmboId")
tmpAdd =3D tmpAdd + item
next
Here, cmboId is the name of a control array each of which has an integer
value(like, 1,2,3 etc.).
I'm not able to find the appropriate statement to convert this 'for'
statement to JSP. Tried using a JScript syntax : for (item in .), but
that doesn't seem to work. Also, thought of getting the length of the
control-array being passed(cmboId), to loop through for fetching each item
in it, but that too fails. Also, I found that this array is passed as a
String. I'm wondering how to proceed.
Regards
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Re: ASP to JSP conversion
Use request.getParameterValues("cmboId") to return an array of values. You
can then use a for-loop to iterate through the values.
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Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 4:15 PM
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Subject: ASP to JSP conversion
Hi!
I have a basic question regarding ASP to JSP conversion. I have a
statement in ASP as shown below:
for each item in request.Form("cmboId")
tmpAdd =3D tmpAdd + item
next
Here, cmboId is the name of a control array each of which has an integer
value(like, 1,2,3 etc.).
I'm not able to find the appropriate statement to convert this 'for'
statement to JSP. Tried using a JScript syntax : for (item in .), but
that doesn't seem to work. Also, thought of getting the length of the
control-array being passed(cmboId), to loop through for fetching each item
in it, but that too fails. Also, I found that this array is passed as a
String. I'm wondering how to proceed.
Regards
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http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html
http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html
http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP
http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=Servlets
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http://www.jguru.com/jguru/faq/faqpage.jsp?name=JSP
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ASP to JSP
I see there have been many of you that have gone from developing an ASP application to developing a JSP application. I would like to know the learning curve, and suggestions, a template, some idea of the complexity of moving to the JSP world. I know applications vary but with your experience could you provide some insight. We would like to move to this environment, but management(of course) would like to know the degree of difficulty to move in this direction. Our staff is versed in VB and some Java (not heavy). Your advice is most appreciated HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". FAQs on JSP can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html
Re: ASP vs JSP
?D ??? ??? ?" #*? ??? ??P ??? ?? ? ?? ??? ?? Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit ASP scripts get interpretted everytime a user requests the .asp page. Ummm, do you really think the people developing the ASP engine at MS are quite that dumb? A compiled ASP page is cached in memory, and I'm sure THAT is why speed is comparable to JSP. I was curious to know in caching/page translation was handled in ASP compared to JSP. So, I pulled up the Microsoft Developer Network (http://msdn.microsoft.com) and did some looking. On the "ASP A to Z" page they have a section on caching (http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/server/feature/cache.asp). However, here they are discussing "output caching" vs. "input caching" where "output caching" is storing "transformed output" (the results of a processed script FUNCTION that returns some data, not the whole page itself), and "input caching" is the creation of a custom recordset in the VBScript that is accessed by an asp page; this record set is then stored in memory so that it can be accessed by different asp pages that might return the content in different formats for different users. Unfortunately, the article doesn't cover whether the .asp page itself or the VBScripts that the asp accesses are cached or not. From what I can find from Microsoft it doesn't appear that they are. Thus, everytime that a request comes in for an .asp page any variables created or connections accessed therein or within the VBScripts(those without static content as above, read Bean) that the page uses are going to have to be initialized everytime that they are accessed. The advantage that jsp would have then would be that after the initial call to a page, the page and the beans or servlets that control or are accessed by the jsp page, are stored in memory and all the space is already allocated just waiting to be defined/filled with the required values. I'm sure that this is probably a narrow perspective overview, (and possibly wrong I've only researched it for 10 minutes...), and if there are any asp converts lurking out there who could clarify more, I for one would like to know as I often find myself having to give arguments for the use of jsp over other dynamic content serving/distributed app solutions and would like to know for sure how jsp stacks up speedwise. _jesse Jason Boehle [EMAIL PROTECTED] === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". FAQs on JSP can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". FAQs on JSP can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html
Re: ASP vs JSP
jesse, You've hit on one of the real advantages of jsp vs asp: when you ask a question that is only just beyond beginning level it is very hard to get a satisfactory answer with asp's. The answers to these kinds of questions are fairly forthcoming with jsp's. The question of database connection use and pooling is similarly hard to find an answer to with ASP's. You can theoretically use JScript instead of VBScript but you will not find much documenation on using it with database connections or Active X objects so you are forced to use VBScript (a language with no concept of variable scope). I'm sure the answers are out there somewhere but the ASP documentation does not readily provide them. Alex Amies -Original Message- From: Jesse Clark [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 2:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: ASP vs JSP ?D ??? ??? ?" #*? ??? ??P ??? ?? ? ?? ??? ?? Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit ASP scripts get interpretted everytime a user requests the .asp page. Ummm, do you really think the people developing the ASP engine at MS are quite that dumb? A compiled ASP page is cached in memory, and I'm sure THAT is why speed is comparable to JSP. I was curious to know in caching/page translation was handled in ASP compared to JSP. So, I pulled up the Microsoft Developer Network (http://msdn.microsoft.com) and did some looking. On the "ASP A to Z" page they have a section on caching (http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/server/feature/cache.asp). However, here they are discussing "output caching" vs. "input caching" where "output caching" is storing "transformed output" (the results of a processed script FUNCTION that returns some data, not the whole page itself), and "input caching" is the creation of a custom recordset in the VBScript that is accessed by an asp page; this record set is then stored in memory so that it can be accessed by different asp pages that might return the content in different formats for different users. Unfortunately, the article doesn't cover whether the .asp page itself or the VBScripts that the asp accesses are cached or not. From what I can find from Microsoft it doesn't appear that they are. Thus, everytime that a request comes in for an .asp page any variables created or connections accessed therein or within the VBScripts(those without static content as above, read Bean) that the page uses are going to have to be initialized everytime that they are accessed. The advantage that jsp would have then would be that after the initial call to a page, the page and the beans or servlets that control or are accessed by the jsp page, are stored in memory and all the space is already allocated just waiting to be defined/filled with the required values. I'm sure that this is probably a narrow perspective overview, (and possibly wrong I've only researched it for 10 minutes...), and if there are any asp converts lurking out there who could clarify more, I for one would like to know as I often find myself having to give arguments for the use of jsp over other dynamic content serving/distributed app solutions and would like to know for sure how jsp stacks up speedwise. _jesse Jason Boehle [EMAIL PROTECTED] === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". FAQs on JSP can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". FAQs on JSP can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". FAQs on JSP can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html
Re: ASP vs JSP
As opposed to Jason I generally feel safer drawing conclusions based on the assumption that Microsoft is in fact "quite that dumb" until proven otherwise. So my money would say that ASP is _not_ compiled to an executable state and cached in memory. I agree, and the evidence you expose is excellent. But I thought MS would at least be smart enough to convert the ASCII text to an intermediate (tokenized) form. Tips like "not using comments" mean they do everything (even parsing) each time. OTOH, it's not true that "jsp must always be interpretted from byte code". You're supposed to have a high-performance JVM (including a JIT compiler) in your server, ain't you? Evidence? Read some documentation on how to improve ASP performance. Take special note of statements such as: "Avoid using comments in ASP code." "Avoid using uneccessary server-side #include directives to include constants." "Group multiple Response.Write statements, and delimit them with one set of %% delimiters." "Use only one scripting language per page." These are factors that are only likely to slow down a compiler, not an interpreter. If ASP was only compiled once for each application start-up then these performance tips would make no sense. Furthermore, if ASP was compiled all the way to native code and run in process then it's performance would almost certainly outstrip that of JSP comfortably (as jsp must always be interpretted from byte code). However my experience shows that JSP is around 50% faster than ASP for identical (functionally) scripts. Of course the much nicer tiered architectures that you can easily put together with JSP/EJB increases performance by another magnitude altogether. Haven't seen ASP3 running on IIS5 yet, but MS better hope it's foundations aren't "quite that dumb". Dave Elliot [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Jason Boehle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2000 2:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ASP vs JSP ASP scripts get interpretted everytime a user requests the .asp page. Ummm, do you really think the people developing the ASP engine at MS are quite that dumb? A compiled ASP page is cached in memory, and I'm sure THAT is why speed is comparable to JSP. Jason Boehle [EMAIL PROTECTED] == = To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". FAQs on JSP can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". FAQs on JSP can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". FAQs on JSP can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html
Re: ASP vs JSP
As I recollect, IIS 4.0 would "compile" an ASP page into Visual Basic P-code. Much like JSP on the popular servers, like WebLogic. Then, when you reboot the IIS server (or the machine... whichever comes first :-) the first time the page was accessed, it would be re-compiled into P-code. NOSTALGIA Funny. I started programming with BASIC on a PDP-8 in college. After 20 years, I found myself programming in Visual Basic (A.K.A.; VBA, ASP, VBS) on a DEC Alpha!! I gotta hand it to B*ll Gates -- the guy has taken over the world with a 3rd rate language I picked up on a lark in Junior College... /NOSTALGIA -Original Message- From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jesse Clark Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 2:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ASP vs JSP ?D ??? ??? ?" #*? ??? ??P ??? ?? ? ?? ??? ?? Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit ASP scripts get interpretted everytime a user requests the .asp page. Ummm, do you really think the people developing the ASP engine at MS are quite that dumb? A compiled ASP page is cached in memory, and I'm sure THAT is why speed is comparable to JSP. I was curious to know in caching/page translation was handled in ASP compared to JSP. So, I pulled up the Microsoft Developer Network (http://msdn.microsoft.com) and did some looking. On the "ASP A to Z" page they have a section on caching (http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/server/feature/cache.asp). However, here they are discussing "output caching" vs. "input caching" where "output caching" is storing "transformed output" (the results of a processed script FUNCTION that returns some data, not the whole page itself), and "input caching" is the creation of a custom recordset in the VBScript that is accessed by an asp page; this record set is then stored in memory so that it can be accessed by different asp pages that might return the content in different formats for different users. Unfortunately, the article doesn't cover whether the .asp page itself or the VBScripts that the asp accesses are cached or not. From what I can find from Microsoft it doesn't appear that they are. Thus, everytime that a request comes in for an .asp page any variables created or connections accessed therein or within the VBScripts(those without static content as above, read Bean) that the page uses are going to have to be initialized everytime that they are accessed. The advantage that jsp would have then would be that after the initial call to a page, the page and the beans or servlets that control or are accessed by the jsp page, are stored in memory and all the space is already allocated just waiting to be defined/filled with the required values. I'm sure that this is probably a narrow perspective overview, (and possibly wrong I've only researched it for 10 minutes...), and if there are any asp converts lurking out there who could clarify more, I for one would like to know as I often find myself having to give arguments for the use of jsp over other dynamic content serving/distributed app solutions and would like to know for sure how jsp stacks up speedwise. _jesse Jason Boehle [EMAIL PROTECTED] === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". FAQs on JSP can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". FAQs on JSP can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". FAQs on JSP can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html
Re: ASP vs JSP
That's true, but wouldn't that only speed things up if the same contents are requested again? It was my understanding that if the .asp page is requested again but with different parameters, it must be re-interpreted again to adjust its output. Here's a quote from the article "Java Server Pages for the ASP Developer" on the ASP Today site: "Although JSP appears to wield the processing time advantage over ASP code that is re-interpreted at every request, the two technologies work out as having a very similar mean processing time because of the hold up created by the JVM's interpretation of the byte codes" Does the 'caching' mean that the ASP file is stored in memory but is still being re-interpreted each time? Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jason Boehle [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ET cc: Sent by: A Subject: Re: ASP vs JSP mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference JSP-INTEREST@jav a.sun.com 02/12/2000 08:19 AM Please respond to Jason Boehle ASP scripts get interpretted everytime a user requests the .asp page. Ummm, do you really think the people developing the ASP engine at MS are quite that dumb? A compiled ASP page is cached in memory, and I'm sure THAT is why speed is comparable to JSP. Jason Boehle [EMAIL PROTECTED] === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". FAQs on JSP can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". FAQs on JSP can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html
Re: ASP vs JSP
As opposed to Jason I generally feel safer drawing conclusions based on the assumption that Microsoft is in fact "quite that dumb" until proven otherwise. So my money would say that ASP is _not_ compiled to an executable state and cached in memory. Evidence? Read some documentation on how to improve ASP performance. Take special note of statements such as: "Avoid using comments in ASP code." "Avoid using uneccessary server-side #include directives to include constants." "Group multiple Response.Write statements, and delimit them with one set of %% delimiters." "Use only one scripting language per page." These are factors that are only likely to slow down a compiler, not an interpreter. If ASP was only compiled once for each application start-up then these performance tips would make no sense. Furthermore, if ASP was compiled all the way to native code and run in process then it's performance would almost certainly outstrip that of JSP comfortably (as jsp must always be interpretted from byte code). However my experience shows that JSP is around 50% faster than ASP for identical (functionally) scripts. Of course the much nicer tiered architectures that you can easily put together with JSP/EJB increases performance by another magnitude altogether. Haven't seen ASP3 running on IIS5 yet, but MS better hope it's foundations aren't "quite that dumb". Dave Elliot [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Jason Boehle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2000 2:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ASP vs JSP ASP scripts get interpretted everytime a user requests the .asp page. Ummm, do you really think the people developing the ASP engine at MS are quite that dumb? A compiled ASP page is cached in memory, and I'm sure THAT is why speed is comparable to JSP. Jason Boehle [EMAIL PROTECTED] == = To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". FAQs on JSP can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". FAQs on JSP can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html
Re: ASP vs JSP
ASP scripts get interpretted everytime a user requests the .asp page. Ummm, do you really think the people developing the ASP engine at MS are quite that dumb? A compiled ASP page is cached in memory, and I'm sure THAT is why speed is comparable to JSP. Jason Boehle [EMAIL PROTECTED] === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". FAQs on JSP can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html
ASP vs JSP
hi guys, can any one help me to list out pros and cons of ASP vs JSP. What I am looking for is, comparison of these two competitive technologies. I would appreciate even if you give me some link. Thanks. Sanjay Mistry __ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". FAQs on JSP can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html
Re: ASP vs JSP
There is a list of pros and cons of ASP vs JSP in: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/jsp-asp.html mundivía Departamento de Programación. Jesús Angel Fernández Díez de Terán [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tfno.: 606044507 -Mensaje original- De: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]En nombre de Sanjay Mistry Enviado el: viernes 11 de febrero de 2000 3:55 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: ASP vs JSP hi guys, can any one help me to list out pros and cons of ASP vs JSP. What I am looking for is, comparison of these two competitive technologies. I would appreciate even if you give me some link. Thanks. Sanjay Mistry __ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html == = To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". FAQs on JSP can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". FAQs on JSP can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html
Re: ASP vs JSP
Here is a nice article.. 'Java Server Pages for the ASP Developer ' http://www.asptoday.com/articles/19991022.htm Tx Goli.. -Original Message- From: Sanjay Mistry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 9:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ASP vs JSP hi guys, can any one help me to list out pros and cons of ASP vs JSP. What I am looking for is, comparison of these two competitive technologies. I would appreciate even if you give me some link. Thanks. Sanjay Mistry __ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". FAQs on JSP can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". FAQs on JSP can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html
ASP to JSP
Hi everyone.. I am converting an application from ASP to JSP. In ASP, there is a function IsDate(expression) which returns a boolean indicating whether an expression can be converted to a Date. I want a same kind of function in JSP. Any help appreciated. Thanks in advance. -Mani === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". FAQs on JSP can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html
a couple of ASP to JSP related issues...
Hi there, I am wondering how do I convert Server.URLPathEncode(str) to JSP? I checked there is no response.encodeUrlPath. And also is there something similar to 'response.End' in JSP? Thanks.
Re: Re-writing from ASP to JSP
JRUN has several JSP extensions (extra methods added to the standard JSP objects) that mirror some of the standard ASP functions. I've never done ASP and I tend to shy away from proprietary features but it might be worth checking out. Brien Voorhees - Original Message - From: Joe Drugus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 16, 1999 7:41 PM Subject: Re-writing from ASP to JSP Hello, I have to re-write a web-application from ASP to JSP. There are many pages, and I am wondering if there is anything in the market that could help with this. Thank you Joe === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". FAQs on JSP can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". FAQs on JSP can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html
Re-writing from ASP to JSP
Hello, I have to re-write a web-application from ASP to JSP. There are many pages, and I am wondering if there is anything in the market that could help with this. Thank you Joe === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". FAQs on JSP can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html
asp to jsp
Is there any literature on jsp anywhere ... I would like to learn more about jsp's and am having a hard time finding examples on how to create a JDBC connection and create html pages from SQL statements and record sets ... Thanks, begin:vcard n:Vazquez;Victor tel;work:303-790-7565 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:Navidec, Inc.;Creative Services adr:;; version:2.1 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Web Programmer fn:Victor M. Vazquez Jr. end:vcard
Re: asp to jsp
- Original Message -
From: Victor Vazquez [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 1999 10:05 AM
Subject: asp to jsp
Is there any literature on jsp anywhere ...
I would like to learn more about jsp's and am having a hard time finding
examples on how to create a JDBC connection and create html pages from
SQL statements and record sets ...
Thanks,
Here's a sample from WebLogic that uses JDBC in a JSP. Also, in response to
Padma's question(in an earlier post today) about accessing MS ACCESS from a
jsp, this sample should help you too. You'll probably want to set up an
ODBC connection to the Access database and use the jdbc:odbc driver to
access that.
Brien Voorhees
!doctype html public "-//w3c/dtd HTML 4.0//en"
html
!-- Copyright (c) 1999 by BEA Systems, Inc. All Rights Reserved.--
head
titleJDBC Table Servlet/title
/head
body bgcolor="#FF"
font face="Helvetica"
h2font color=#DB1260Using JSP to retrieve database data with
JDBC/font/h2
h4Make a selection/h4
p
Choose a JDBC driver and a database name from the drop down
lists below.
Note that to use the 'demoPool' connection pool option, you must configure
your font face="Courier New" size=-1weblogic.properties/font file. The
'demoPool' connection pool properties are provided by default, but they may
be
commented out.
p
form method="post" name="JdbcTable" action="JdbcTable.jsp"
table border=0 cellspacing=2 cellpadding=2 width=80%
tr
td width=30%font face="Helvetica"bJDBC driver :/b/td
tdfont face="Helvetica"select name="jdbcDriver"
option
value="COM.cloudscape.core.JDBCDriver"COM.cloudscape.core.JDBCDriver/optio
n
option
value="weblogic.jdbc.pool.Driver"weblogic.jdbc.pool.Driver/option
/select/td
/tr
tr
td width=30%font face="Helvetica"bDatabase URL / Connection Pool
:/b/td
tdfont face="Helvetica"select name="dbURL"
option value="jdbc:cloudscape:demo"jdbc:cloudscape:demo/option
option
value="jdbc:weblogic:pool:demoPool"jdbc:weblogic:pool:demoPool/option
/select/font/td
/tr
tr
td width=30%font face="Helvetica"bUsername :/b/td
tdfont face="Helvetica"input type="text" name="username"
size=30/font/td
/tr
tr
td width=30%font face="Helvetica"bPassword :/b/td
tdfont face="Helvetica"input type="password" name="passwd"
size=30/font/td
/tr
tr
td width=30%font face="Helvetica"bSQL Query :/b/td
tdfont face="Helvetica"input type="text" name="sqlQuery" size=50
value="Select * from emp"/td
/tr
tr
tdfont face="Helvetica"input type="Submit" value="Submit Query"
name="Submit"/td
/tr
/table
/form
hr width=80%
%@ page import="
javax.naming.*,
java.util.*,
java.sql.*,
weblogic.common.*
" %
%
if ("POST".equals(request.getMethod())) {
String jdbcDriver = (String) request.getParameter("jdbcDriver");
String dbURL = (String) request.getParameter("dbURL");
String sqlQuery = (String) request.getParameter("sqlQuery");
String username = (String) request.getParameter("username");
if (username != null username.equals(""))
username=null;
String passwd = (String) request.getParameter("passwd");
if (passwd != null passwd.equals(""))
passwd = null;
%
h2Results from previous query:/h2
Here are the results from the previous SQL query using the these parameters:
ul
li JDBC Driver: %= jdbcDriver==null?"No driver specified.":jdbcDriver %
li Database URL: %= dbURL==null?"No URL specified":dbURL %
li SQL query: %= sqlQuery==null?"No SQL query":sqlQuery %
li Username: %= username==null?"iNo username supplied/i":username %
li Password: %= passwd==null?"iNo password supplied/i":passwd %
/ul
p
%
Connection conn = null;
Statement stmt = null;
ResultSet rs = null;
try {
Class.forName(jdbcDriver).newInstance();
if ((username != null) (passwd != null))
conn = DriverManager.getConnection(dbURL, username, passwd);
else
conn = DriverManager.getConnection(dbURL, null);
stmt = conn.createStatement();
rs = stmt.executeQuery(sqlQuery);
ResultSetMetaData rsmd = rs.getMetaData();
int numCols = rsmd.getColumnCount();
%
p
center
table border=1 cellspacing=2 cellpadding=0 width=400
tr
%
for (int i = 1; i = numCols; i++) {
%
tdfont face="Helvetica"b%= rsmd.getColumnLabel(i) %/b/td
%
}
%
/tr
%
while (rs.next()) {
%
tr
%
for (int i = 1; i = numCols; i++) {
%
tdfont face="Helvetica"%= rs.getString(i) %/td
%
}
%
/tr
%
}
}
catch (Exception e) {
%
pbThere was an error executing or
Re: asp to jsp
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Re: asp to jsp
Thank you very much for posting that list, quite exhaustive. I want to make one correction: http://www.aptura.com/technology/jspBook_Architecture.html has moved to http://brainopolis.com/Jsp/book/jspBook_Architectures.html === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". FAQs on JSP can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html
Re: asp to jsp
That's not true. Only a day or two ago we came up with "Professional Java Server Programming" by WROX. It's a great book. I think the best price was on www.fatbrain.com -Original Message- From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ramesh Nori Sent: Thursday, September 23, 1999 2:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: asp to jsp There are no books as such available in the market pertaining to JSP. But I can give you a quick list of sites where you can get good info. http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/docs.html : Go there and you can have the entire JavaServer Pages Developers Guide. It's an alpha version, but still it's cool. You can download the JSP Syntax card from http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/syntax.html The best thing you can do is to download theJSP1.1 specification from http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/download.html You can also subscribe to the JSP user group. Send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "subscribe jsp-interest yourlastname yourfirstname" in the body of the message. Some FAQs that may help you http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html There is a group of people working on Web book for JSP http://www.aptura.com/technology/jspBook_Architecture.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jspbook Best of Luck Ramesh RAMESH NORI INFOGAIN 485 ALBERTO WAY LOS GATOS, CA 95035 +1-408-355-6000 (SWITCH) +1-408-355-6024 (DIRECT) +1-408-730-4044 (HOME) +1-408-738-4634 (HOME) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (off) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (public) http://members.tripod.com/RAMESH_NORI/myself.htm - Original Message - From: Victor Vazquez [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 1999 10:05 AM Subject: asp to jsp Is there any literature on jsp anywhere ... I would like to learn more about jsp's and am having a hard time finding examples on how to create a JDBC connection and create html pages from SQL statements and record sets ... Thanks, === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". FAQs on JSP can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". FAQs on JSP can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html
Re: asp to jsp
Thanks for the info Adam. RAMESH NORI INFOGAIN 485 ALBERTO WAY LOS GATOS, CA 95035 +1-408-355-6000 (SWITCH) +1-408-355-6024 (DIRECT) +1-408-730-4044 (HOME) +1-408-738-4634 (HOME) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (off) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (public) http://members.tripod.com/RAMESH_NORI/myself.htm - Original Message - From: Adam Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 1999 1:14 PM Subject: Re: asp to jsp That's not true. Only a day or two ago we came up with "Professional Java Server Programming" by WROX. It's a great book. I think the best price was on www.fatbrain.com -Original Message- From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ramesh Nori Sent: Thursday, September 23, 1999 2:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: asp to jsp There are no books as such available in the market pertaining to JSP. But I can give you a quick list of sites where you can get good info. http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/docs.html : Go there and you can have the entire JavaServer Pages Developers Guide. It's an alpha version, but still it's cool. You can download the JSP Syntax card from http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/syntax.html The best thing you can do is to download theJSP1.1 specification from http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/download.html You can also subscribe to the JSP user group. Send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "subscribe jsp-interest yourlastname yourfirstname" in the body of the message. Some FAQs that may help you http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html There is a group of people working on Web book for JSP http://www.aptura.com/technology/jspBook_Architecture.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jspbook Best of Luck Ramesh RAMESH NORI INFOGAIN 485 ALBERTO WAY LOS GATOS, CA 95035 +1-408-355-6000 (SWITCH) +1-408-355-6024 (DIRECT) +1-408-730-4044 (HOME) +1-408-738-4634 (HOME) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (off) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (public) http://members.tripod.com/RAMESH_NORI/myself.htm - Original Message - From: Victor Vazquez [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 1999 10:05 AM Subject: asp to jsp Is there any literature on jsp anywhere ... I would like to learn more about jsp's and am having a hard time finding examples on how to create a JDBC connection and create html pages from SQL statements and record sets ... Thanks, === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". FAQs on JSP can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". FAQs on JSP can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html === To unsubscribe: mailto [EMAIL PROTECTED] with body: "signoff JSP-INTEREST". FAQs on JSP can be found at: http://java.sun.com/products/jsp/faq.html http://www.esperanto.org.nz/jsp/jspfaq.html
ASP vs JSP
Title: ASP vs JSP Can anyone tell me where I can find some technical information comparing ASP and JSP. Personal experience is welcome as well. Thanks in advance J.H
Re: Migrating from ASP to JSP
I haven't done this, but I'm guessing the amount of work to convert depends a whole lot on whether the app is written like JSP pages (pretty easy) or like servlets (can be very hard). The ASP apps I've seen, and MS's examples, are more like servlets and seem like they would be easier to rewrite than to port. Bob Foster Symantec Internet Tools http://www.visualcafe.com/ === To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "signoff JSP-INTEREST". For general help, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include in the body of the message "help".
