[lace] blue film

[Lorelei Halley]

Found some others, now that I know what to call it.
http://www.windowtint.com/Blue-Matte-Window-Film.html
http://www.windowtint.com/Blue-Car-Film.html

Lorelei

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[lace] blue film

[Lorelei Halley]

Some time ago I was also searching for a local source of laminate film.  I
found a kind of film for sticking on windows (I never knew anybody did that!).
If you look through all the pages on this site, you will find several solid
colors.  It is a U.S. source.  I never bought any because a 49.5 foot roll is
more than even a lifetime supply.  They have a few blues, and a nice apple
green.
http://www.designyourwall.com/store/window-film-c-3.html
Lorelei

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Re: [lace] Blue film, etc

[Hazel Smith]

Jean's first point is the important one. Devon speaks of this product being
"readily available" in the UK. That doesn't mean in your local supermarket or
stationery supply store. It means from a Lace Supplier. The only difference is
there are more of them over here. Even for us it's still mail order or a Lace
Day or Suppliers Fair. 
Speaking of which - any Arachnes going to be at
Solihull Christmas fair next month?
 
Hazel Smith (in Cricklade, Wiltshire)
 

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Subject:
[lace] Blue film, etc


In the UK "readily available" means you go to a
specialist supplier for what
you want. Outlets like Asda (Walmart) only carry
goods that will sell quickly,
and blue film isn't one of them. They might sell
self-adhesive shelf covering,
but what I've seen in my local Wilko is opaque
and patterned, so absolutely no
use to us.

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[lace] Blue film, etc

[Jean Nathan]

In the UK "readily available" means you go to a specialist supplier for what
you want. Outlets like Asda (Walmart) only carry goods that will sell quickly,
and blue film isn't one of them. They might sell self-adhesive shelf covering,
but what I've seen in my local Wilko is opaque and patterned, so absolutely no
use to us. Even the few hobby shops we have don't sell blue clear, but they
MIGHT sell small rolls of other colours if it's used in whatever the current
fad craft is. Otherwise we mostly buy at lace fairs or on-line. In Poole and
Bournemouth, we're lucky in that a supplier is located nearby and we can order
by phone or on line and collect from her home.

I understood that glazed card is/was used for electrical circuit insulation or
shotgun cartridge casings, but that could be wrong. Card and paper weights in
the whole of Europe are stated in grams per square metre (gsm), and anything
mentioning pounds means nothing to us, just as I suspect gsm doesn't mean a
lot to those in the US.

Personally I'm a belt and braces person - print on white paper, stick it on
glazed card, cover with blue film with it wrapped round to the back to give a
smooth edge, then prick. I think it's a sort of ritual security blanket - if I
do that, I will enjoy making my lace.

I know that using a new pan scrubber on shiny clear film dulls it. Does the
same apply to laminating pouches?

Needlelace had to change when architects' linen became impossible to find -
but moved to blue film! We adapt as necessary.

Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK

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Re: [lace] Blue film

[Adele Shaak]

> Could you photocopy the pricking on blue paper, and cover with the clear
> film?

I have a home printer that will not feed heavy paper, let alone cardstock. Not 
a problem. I print out on regular-weight paper in the colour of my choice, then 
cut a piece of thin card (manila folders are good) that is a bit larger than 
the pattern. I cut the pattern out of the coloured paper and then I put that on 
top of the thin card and then I stick a piece of clear film over the whole 
thing. As the adhesive film covers both the paper and the card (which is 
larger), it holds the whole sandwich together. I have never had a problem with 
this moving. 

I have not had a problem with the adhesive making the pins gummy - that may be 
because I pre-prick. Sometimes the pricker gets  gummy, but if that gets to be 
a problem I just plunge the pricker into an emery strawberry to clean it, or 
else I scrub it lightly with steel wool. Lighter fluid also works.

Another trick - if you're stuck with a pattern copied onto white paper and you 
don't like film, is to put coloured tissue paper over top of the paper pattern 
over top of the cardboard. If these are pinned well together onto the pillow, 
or if they are glued together in the margins (I'm thinking common household 
glue here), they should not move.

Hope this helps.

Adele
West Vancouver, BC
(west coast of Canada)

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RE: [lace] Blue film

[mary carey]

Hi All,

Someone gave me a pad with lots of different colours in it.  I have
successfully used this paper with pattern copied on to it and then laminated.
Have a machine left over from my Guide Leader days.

Laminating pouches are available in Stationery stores and the Post Office in
Australia and they come in A3, A4, and one smaller size.  It is a good idea to
do a whole A4 sheet at the same time - not difficult for me.

Mary Carey
Campbelltown, NSW, Australia

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[lace] Blue film

[Celtic Dream Weaver]

I noticed it listed as a lace supply on the Kenmare lace website yesterday.
You might want to check it out.
Sherry
New York,  USA

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[lace] Blue film

[Dmt11home]

Susie writes:
 
"The company that used to import the Form X film stopped doing so about 10  
years ago when demand dropped as the graphic arts industry began  
digitizing."
 
>From that I conclude that about 10 years ago it became so easy  to print 
things on colored paper in the US that it didn't make any sense to use  
colored film.
 
I don't consider an item to be readily available if you have  to buy it 
from a lace supply business, of which there are very few in the US,  usually 
mail order businesses. In contrast the local Staples has boxes of  colored 
paper and card piled up to the rafters.
 
I don't mind buying fine thread, books and patterns at  lace supply 
businesses, but it seems a little anachronistic that we all have to  buy 
imported 
blue film because, historically, it used to be hard to copy  things on 
colored paper.
 
Devon

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[lace] Blue film - or not!

[Jane Partridge]

There is no absolute rule that you have to use blue film!

I gave up years ago, and went back to the traditional method of pricking 
the pattern onto (glazed manilla) pricking card, then marking in the 
pattern markings I need (and after a few years' experience you don't 
need to mark everything, you learn to read the pattern from the pinhole 
pattern) - eg the first couple of lines of a trail or diamond to show 
direction, the corner crosses of roseground, with a waterproof pen. It 
saves money for those already using card because you are not having to 
pay for the film - you can spend that on thread or bobbins instead. It 
saves getting small amounts of adhesive on your pins.


Blue film is a modern invention as far as lace is concerned; the old 
ways are just as good, and provide much firmer prickings than film stuck 
over paper! Traditional Honiton patterns have no ink markings at all, 
there is a pinhole code (eg 2 closely spaced pinholes in the middle of 
an area denote half stitch) to show the stitches.


There is also no real reason why you can't work with a white pattern 
covered in clear matt film (especially if you are working with coloured 
thread, or want to print out your pattern markings in colour) - this is 
sold in do-it-yourself/decorating shops to stick on windows, and is 
often on the same rack as the shelf covering - which I think is called 
Contact in the States. Fablon is a UK brand name. In fact, for those in 
the UK, it is worth looking in Wilkos as they have started doing the 
coloured matt films as well as clear - I think they are 1m rolls. Our 
Co-op sells the clear matt film by the metre.

--
Jane Partridge

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Re: [lace] Blue film

[finn]

Hi,

Blue film is readily available in the US. The major lace suppliers all carry 
it. If you want a size different from the pre-cut size, most of them will 
happily sell you whatever size piece you want.  The price is higher than it 
used to be because of the cost of postage from Europe to the US.  The company 
that used to import the Form X film stopped doing so about 10 years ago when 
demand dropped as the graphic arts industry began digitizing.

Susie Johnson
In southwestern Pennsylvania


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Re: [lace] Blue film

[AGlez]

In Spain it is also difficult to find blue film. It is sold in lace
meetings and is very expensive. I also agree with Devon that we should
print on blue paper. It is easy to print the pattern in our home printer.
We do not need to print on cardboard, because we can put cardboard under
the blue photocopy tp have the pattern hard. That is how I usually work.

I never use orange paper, because it is not relaxing for the eyes. Although
it was common practice in many parts of Spain, now you can find many
lacemakers using blue.

Best wishes,

Antje González, from Spain.

www.vueltaycruz.es


Antje

*Por muy larga que sea la tormenta, siempre acabará saliendo el sol. *


2013/11/20 Jill Hawkins 

> It seems like the way to resolve this is to get the teachers to change
> their
> habits.
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> Jill
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Re: [lace] Blue film

[Catherine Barley]

Surely a tutor should have a supply of this blue film available for students 
to purchase from her if she expects them to use it, knowing that it is not 
available in the US.  From whom and where does she purchase her own 
supplies?


Catherine Barley
UK

Catherine Barley Needlelace
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Subject: RE:  Blue film



Why should it be routine in the US to expect everyone to  arrive at a 
class

with a product that is not sold in the US?

Devon


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Re: [lace] Blue film

[Jill Hawkins]

It seems like the way to resolve this is to get the teachers to change their
habits.

Jill

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RE: [lace] Blue film

[Jeanette Fischer]

This is the way it has always been done in South Africa and I always thought
it was standard pratice!!! I have actually changed to orange paper after
seeing all the Spanish lacemakers working on orange background and the
threads are more visible.
Jeanette Fischer, Western Cape, South Africa.


>>>
If the patterns were to be routinely copied onto a pale blue  paper the 
same color as blue film, students in the US could put the blue paper
pattern 
on a card, say an old file folder, and then cover it with the clear  matte 
film that is sold at Ace Hardware. One can buy a roll of clear matte film  
large enough to last you the rest of your life for $5.
 
Why should it be routine in the US to expect everyone to  arrive at a class 
with a product that is not sold in the US?
 
Devon

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Re: [lace] Blue film

[Dmt11home]

My printer doesn't chew up card and I have never had an  argument about 
copyright in a copy center in the US. But, I haven't visited a  copy center in 
about 15 years because excellent home printers are widely  available in the 
US, whereas blue film is as rare and costly as Beluga caviar. 
 
If the patterns were to be routinely copied onto a pale blue  paper the 
same color as blue film, students in the US could put the blue paper  pattern 
on a card, say an old file folder, and then cover it with the clear  matte 
film that is sold at Ace Hardware. One can buy a roll of clear matte film  
large enough to last you the rest of your life for $5.
 
Why should it be routine in the US to expect everyone to  arrive at a class 
with a product that is not sold in the US?
 
Devon

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Re: [lace] Blue film

[Jill Hawkins]

I agree with Devon that copying the pricking onto colored card is a good
approach, but will only work if your printer doesn't chew up the card, or if you
can convince the local Staples store that you aren't infringing on copyright
when you want something copied when it has a copyright mark on it (like many
lace patterns).  I have explained, in vain, that it is for personal use, but it
seems to fall on deaf ears.  If you chose to use colored paper instead, it
should ideally also be stiffened - especially if the pricking is intended for
more than one use.

If you order something from the EU to ship to the US you should not be charged
VAT.  In fact, SMP Lace states quite clearly on their website that they do not
charge VAT to anyone outside the EU, which equates to a savings of approx.
16.67%.  In addition, there is no surcharge if you use VISA , Mastercard or
AMEX.  Overseas orders up to 2 kg (approx. 4.5 lbs) are sent airmail (which will
cost around GBP 18.00).

Alternatives do exist, but I will stick (pun intended) with the blue film

Jill, Milton Keynes, Bucks

> On 20 November 2013 at 14:36 dmt11h...@aol.com wrote:
>
>
> Apparently blue film is widely available in England. Here it is totally
> unavailable from all but a single supplier who does not sell it by the roll,
> but rather in small pieces. I am grateful that the supplier does, in fact,
> go to a lot of effort to buy this film from England, as it seems that it is
> impossible to get without sending funds overseas, and contending with the
> intricacies of the VAT system.
>
> But, the question arises as to why it is still the norm in classes in the
> US for the teacher to arrive with the patterns printed on white paper,
> rather than on blue paper, since at home we are all responding to the
> unavailability of blue film by photo copying the pattern onto blue paper or
> card,
> which is laughably easy and cheap. The only time I need the blue film is when
> I go to a class.
>
> When something is unavailable, people switch to other things instead.
>
> Devon
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Re: [lace] Blue film

[suebabbs385]

Wouldn't it be simpler in the USA simply to persuade the teacher to print 
the pattern on blue paper or card, and then you could use clear film?


My personal preference when working with white thread is orange card.  I've 
been converted!




Sue Babbs (in Northfield, IL)

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[lace] Blue film

[Dmt11home]

Apparently blue film is widely available in England. Here it  is totally 
unavailable from all but a single supplier who does not sell it by  the roll, 
but rather in small pieces. I am grateful that the supplier does, in  fact, 
go to a lot of effort to buy this film from England, as it seems that it  is 
impossible to get without sending funds overseas, and contending with the  
intricacies of the VAT system.
 
But, the question arises as to why it is still the norm in  classes in the 
US for the teacher to arrive with the patterns printed on white  paper, 
rather than on blue paper, since at home we are all responding to the  
unavailability of blue film by photo copying the pattern onto blue paper or  
card, 
which is laughably easy and cheap. The only time I need the blue film is  when 
I go to a class. 
 
When something is unavailable, people switch to other things  instead.
 
Devon

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RE: [lace] Blue film

[David C COLLYER]

Dear Friends,

It is not always necessary to use blue film on a pricking. I photocopy onto
blue card and do not cover it with film. I find the film too shiney when
making lace.


I have always bought the cheap shiney blue film from the newsagents 
or the Reject Shop for about AUD $1 a roll. These days I often forget 
to treat the shininess. However, if it worries you, it can be removed 
in about 20 seconds by simply scrubbing with a brand new dishwashing 
scouring pad.


David in Ballarat, AUS

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RE: [lace] Blue film

[corinne]

Hi

It is not always necessary to use blue film on a pricking. I photocopy onto
blue card and do not cover it with film. I find the film too shinny when
making lace. The photocopy ink does not come off onto the lace.
Most English General Suppliers sell the blue film so if you do need it why
not as a group get together and contact one of them to send it over.

Corinne Jones
 in damp Brighton UK

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Sent: 19 November 2013 23:11
To: Angel Skubic
Cc: Dmt11home; Arachne
Subject: Re: [lace] Blue film

Could you photocopy the pricking on blue paper, and cover with the clear
film?

I too have used the highlighter method to make my pattern colored but would
> prefer blue film...


FWIW I don't care for the blue film at all, and usually work on a white
paper pricking that I've covered with matte magic tape,. Though I mostly use
coloured threads, I do this for white thread, too (for Honiton where I work
on firm brown card).

Bev in Shirley BC on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of BC Canada

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[lace] Blue film

[C Johnson]

re: laminatefor pricking.

Around school time I have found a blue film but it was tectured a bit and to
dark for my likeing.
The laminate we use is actually clear shelf liner with a sticky back.

Susie
Morris, Illinois

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Re: [lace] blue film and book inventory

[Tregellas Family]

Hi Alice,


On 20/11/2013 6:42 AM, Noelene Lafferty wrote:

I have been using an App for my android mobile phone called Book Catalogue
by Evan Leybourn for some time.
I agree wholeheartedly with Noelene.  I also have an android 
mobile, Samsung, and use the Book Catalogue.  Very handy when out and 
about looking at books.  After our lace meeting yesterday I can add 
Eleana's Bibilla book to my library, signed as well.  :-)


Cheers,
Shirley T.  -  summer was here for a few days then left us.  :-(

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RE: [lace] Blue film

[mary carey]

Hi All,

Not sure where Joanne Scowcroft (supplier, Josco Lace) gets hers from, but
obtaining blue, matt film is not a problem to Australians.

Mary Carey
Campbelltown, NSW, Australia

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Re: [lace] Blue film

[Bev Walker]

Could you photocopy the pricking on blue paper, and cover with the clear
film?

I too have used the highlighter method to make my pattern colored but would
> prefer blue film...


FWIW I don't care for the blue film at all, and usually work on a white
paper pricking that I've covered with matte magic tape,. Though I mostly
use coloured threads, I do this for white thread, too (for Honiton where I
work on firm brown card).

Bev in Shirley BC on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of BC Canada

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RE: [lace] Blue film

[Angel Skubic]

I too have used the highlighter method to make my pattern colored but would
prefer blue film...Why is it in the US all film is clear??

Cearbhael

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Subject: [lace] Blue film

Another lacemaker I used to know  traveled with a 
blue highlighter and would color the white pattern with it so  that she 
could then use the clear matte film.
 
Nonetheless, I would still like to have a tube of the blue  film if anyone 
finds it.
 
Devon

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FW: [lace] blue film and book inventory

[C Johnson]

Oh, that sounds nice.  Now I really wish I made the bar code column  I will 
have to check to see if it works on Nook or on HP Touchpad.
Susie
Morris, Illinois.


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Subject: Re: [lace] blue film and book inventory

I paid the grand sum of about £2.49 for the iPad app of 'My Library' which lets 
me scan bar codes in and save the inventory to my drop box account then pick it 
up on my iPhone. 

 I've used excel and MS a access databases but I like the low cost of this and 
the fact I can pick it up on both my iPhone and tablet.  I'm not sure if there 
is an android variant 

--Liz Baker

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Re: [lace] blue film and book inventory

[Karen M. Zammit Manduca]

Wow - that sounds great. I'm off to look for it.
Karen in Malta

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Re: [lace] Blue film

[The Lacebee]

Devon and the gentle spiders,

I have, in the past bought this off the peg from good stationers and ordered it 
specially from art suppliers.  

I've also found it in ebay a couple of times under art supplies and stationery. 
 In the UK the proprietary name for this is fablon or as it was always referred 
to on blue peter; sticky backed plastic.

I have had both Matt pale blue film and also dark blue - both worked as well as 
the other.

Hope it helps as a direction

Kind Regards

Liz Baker

> On 19 Nov 2013, at 17:13, dmt11h...@aol.com wrote:
> 
> I too have spent many hours looking for blue film in vain. In  an effort to 
> make my blue film last longer and go farther, whenever I do a  project at 
> home, I use my photocopy/scanner to copy the pattern onto a blue  paper, or 
> else even a colored card and cover it with clear matte film available,  very 
> inexpensively, from Ace Hardware.
> 
> Unfortunately this doesn't help me when I am at a class and  the pattern is 
> copied onto white paper. Another lacemaker I used to know  traveled with a 
> blue highlighter and would color the white pattern with it so  that she 
> could then use the clear matte film.
> 
> Nonetheless, I would still like to have a tube of the blue  film if anyone 
> finds it.
> 
> Devon
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Re: [lace] blue film and book inventory

[The Lacebee]

I paid the grand sum of about £2.49 for the iPad app of 'My Library' which lets 
me scan bar codes in and save the inventory to my drop box account then pick it 
up on my iPhone. 

 I've used excel and MS a access databases but I like the low cost of this and 
the fact I can pick it up on both my iPhone and tablet.  I'm not sure if there 
is an android variant 

L

Kind Regards

Liz Baker

> On 19 Nov 2013, at 16:46, "lacel...@frontier.com"  
> wrote:
> 
> In the past, my lace group in the USA has imported a full roll of blue film
> from Europe and re-sold it to the members in small sections.  At the time, we
> had the help of a friend in Europe who got the roll and brought it to us.
> 
> We
> are in need of another roll.  I've been searching on the web for a supplier to
> order it from but having no luck.  I think the suppliers are in countries with
> languages other than English so my English search can't find them.  I know a
> couple sources for buying smaller sections of film but it's the roll I'm
> looking for.
> 
> 
> Does anyone in Arachne know of a source for a full roll of blue
> film?
> 
> On another subject... I've been working on Christmas ornaments, took a
> class in Rosaline, am on the third square of a 36 square table cloth ( I
> expect 3 years on this project), and am getting geared up to take a Cantu
> class using a genuine Cantu bolster pillow.  I also want to make an inventory
> of my lace books on a Tablet so I can take the list to conferences, etc.
> 
> I
> thought about using a basic spread sheet for the inventory.  Who else has
> their books inventoried, and how did you do it?
> 
> Alice in Oregon  where we
> are in the middle of a blustery storm, and I have to go out in it to retrieve
> my cat from the vet.  Then I get to stay home the rest of the day and do
> whatever I choose.
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RE: [lace] blue film and book inventory

[Noelene Lafferty]

I've just checked the exported CSV file of my lace book catalogue.  It
opened immediately in Excel, and has 40 columns of data!

Noelene in Cooma
nlaffe...@ozemail.com.au

I have been using an App for my android mobile phone called Book Catalogue

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RE: [lace] blue film and book inventory

[Noelene Lafferty]

I have been using an App for my android mobile phone called Book Catalogue
by Evan Leybourn for some time.   It uses the camera in the phone to scan
the barcode, which then automatically searches the internet for that book,
and places all details of it, including a thumbnail of the cover and a brief
description, into the catalogue.Then, when I bought my android tablet, I
also placed the app on that and I synchronise the data between the two
appliances.  

If the book has no barcode, its ISBN number can be keyed in manually.
Failing that, the entire details can be keyed in manually and a picture of
the cover taken and included.

Having it on my mobile phone means I can always check if I already have the
book if I see something for sale.
Oh yes, and the whole thing can be exported to or imported from a
spreadsheet CSV file and emailed.  And it doesn't have any advertising!

Noelene in Cooma
nlaffe...@ozemail.com.au

Who else has their books inventoried, and how did you do it?
Alice in Oregon

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Re: [lace] blue film and book inventory

[Bev Walker]

Hello Alice and everyone

Just a thought - check out the apps offerings for your particular tablet? I
found one on google-play specific for 'book inventory' and inexpensive.

I worked some basic Cantu from the Italian video using a bolster pillow and
the Cantu bobbins - it all felt 'right' - have fun with the class.

On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 8:46 AM, lacel...@frontier.com <
lacel...@frontier.com> wrote:

>
> On another subject... I've been working on Christmas ornaments, took a
> class in Rosaline, am on the third square of a 36 square table cloth ( I
> expect 3 years on this project), and am getting geared up to take a Cantu
> class using a genuine Cantu bolster pillow.  I also want to make an
> inventory
> of my lace books on a Tablet so I can take the list to conferences, etc.
>
> I thought about using a basic spread sheet for the inventory.  Who else has
> their books inventoried, and how did you do it?
>
>
-- 
Bev working on Torchon bookmarks in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful
Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada

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[lace] Blue film

[Dmt11home]

I too have spent many hours looking for blue film in vain. In  an effort to 
make my blue film last longer and go farther, whenever I do a  project at 
home, I use my photocopy/scanner to copy the pattern onto a blue  paper, or 
else even a colored card and cover it with clear matte film available,  very 
inexpensively, from Ace Hardware.
 
Unfortunately this doesn't help me when I am at a class and  the pattern is 
copied onto white paper. Another lacemaker I used to know  traveled with a 
blue highlighter and would color the white pattern with it so  that she 
could then use the clear matte film.
 
Nonetheless, I would still like to have a tube of the blue  film if anyone 
finds it.
 
Devon

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Re: [lace] blue film and book inventory

[Jill Hawkins]

I always get my blue film from SMP Lace (
).
 They sell a 10 meter roll for £36.00.  If someone from the US is going to
the
National Christmas Lacemakers Fair in early December, perhaps they could
pre-order it, bring it back to the US and then send it to you?

Jill, Milton Keynes, Bucks

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[lace] blue film and book inventory

[lacel...@frontier.com]

In the past, my lace group in the USA has imported a full roll of blue film
from Europe and re-sold it to the members in small sections.  At the time, we
had the help of a friend in Europe who got the roll and brought it to us.

We
are in need of another roll.  I've been searching on the web for a supplier to
order it from but having no luck.  I think the suppliers are in countries with
languages other than English so my English search can't find them.  I know a
couple sources for buying smaller sections of film but it's the roll I'm
looking for.


Does anyone in Arachne know of a source for a full roll of blue
film?

On another subject... I've been working on Christmas ornaments, took a
class in Rosaline, am on the third square of a 36 square table cloth ( I
expect 3 years on this project), and am getting geared up to take a Cantu
class using a genuine Cantu bolster pillow.  I also want to make an inventory
of my lace books on a Tablet so I can take the list to conferences, etc.

I
thought about using a basic spread sheet for the inventory.  Who else has
their books inventoried, and how did you do it?

Alice in Oregon  where we
are in the middle of a blustery storm, and I have to go out in it to retrieve
my cat from the vet.  Then I get to stay home the rest of the day and do
whatever I choose.

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Re: [lace] blue film for needlelace

[Sue Harvey]

If you cannot find the matt film just buy the cheap shiny stuff and rub all 
over with a pan scrub to take the shine off,hey presto matt film.

Sue M Harvey
Norfolk U.K. 

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Re: [lace] blue film for needlelace

[Donna Fousek]

I don't know about the blue film that this site is selling, but I have bought
it in the past from a different vender and the grid is on the backing paper so
when it is on your pricking or pattern outline it does not have a grid.

Donna
near Chicago where the rain has stop and the rivers are shrinking..

 From: "hottl...@neo.rr.com"

To: lace@arachne.com 
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013
1:15 PM
Subject: [lace] blue film for needlelace
 

Hello All!  When I was
checking out www.needlelace.com for the "Stitch of the Month", I happened
across her "supplies" tab & found blue matte film!  Looks like it might have a
grid on it??  Hope this helps the needlelace experts.  I don't know Doreen
Holmes but I sure like her SOTM feature!  Sincerely, Susan Hottle, Erie, PA
USA

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[lace] blue film for needlelace

[hottleco]

Hello All!  When I was checking out www.needlelace.com for the "Stitch of the 
Month", I happened across her "supplies" tab & found blue matte film!  Looks 
like it might have a grid on it??  Hope this helps the needlelace experts.  I 
don't know Doreen Holmes but I sure like her SOTM feature!  Sincerely, Susan 
Hottle, Erie, PA USA

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Re: [lace] Blue film

[J D Hammett]

Hi Arachnids,

The light blue sticky-back film used over a soft blue paper pattern gives a 
medium blue result. It would pay to experiment to get the colour combination 
that works best for you.


Clear matt sticky-back film is available from bookshops as it is used for 
covering books


Joepie, in East Sussex, UK.


-Original Message- 
From: Janice Blair


Subject: Re: [lace] Blue film

I do use blue cardstock and clear contact paper for my bobbin lace and I 
have

used blue sticky back film from our vendors but I don't think it was ever as
dark blue as the kind Catherine uses.  I will have to look out for some.  At
present I draw my needle lace patterns on clear plastic with the ink side 
down

towards my fabric pad.  I will look out for a darker blue at convention this
summer.

Janice

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Re: [lace] Blue film

[Janice Blair]

I do use blue cardstock and clear contact paper for my bobbin lace and I have 
used blue sticky back film from our vendors but I don't think it was ever as 
dark blue as the kind Catherine uses.  I will have to look out for some.  At 
present I draw my needle lace patterns on clear plastic with the ink side down 
towards my fabric pad.  I will look out for a darker blue at convention this 
summer.

Janice
 Janice Blair
Crystal Lake, 50 miles northwest of Chicago, Illinois, USA
www.jblace.com
http://www.lacemakersofillinois.org








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Re: [lace] Blue film

[nestalace . carol]

Hello Spiders All,
 
I have been known to print/photocopy patterns and prickings onto coloured 
paper, and then use the clear film, but clear film generally available in the 
UK is very shiny, and really needs to be rubbed down with a green pot scourer 
before using, as the glare tended to give me horrendous headaches - nowadays, I 
do purchase the blue film, sometimes chunter about the cost, but I do feel it 
suits me best of all.    But of course - horses for courses, and do use 
whatever suits you best!
 
Carol - in North Norfolk, UK
'Deliver us, Lord, from every evil, and grant us peace in our day.
 
 
From: "lacel...@frontier.com" lacel...@frontier.com


An alternative that's used by several people here is to print the pattern on 
blue paper and use clear sticky shelf paper on top.  The clear stuff is 
available in most Dollar Stores and many other stores.

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[lace] Blue film

[lacelady]

The last time I looked, the blue film from Europe was available from main lace 
suppliers in the USA, like Van Sciver and Lacy Susan.  Browse your favorite 
suppliers' webpages.

It's available from some European suppliers but shipping is quite a bit since a 
roll is heavy.  I bought a roll some years back and have kept the local 
lacemakers supplied but my roll is running low now.  When I bought it, and paid 
the shipping, I figured that the cost per square inch was almost identical to 
the selling price by USA suppliers.  You won't save anything by buying a whole 
roll.  Just shop your favorite supplier and get it a few feet at a time.

A roll is a lot for one person.  The sticky part will go bad before one person 
can use it all up.  Buying a roll by a lace guild to serve all the members 
would be more practical.  Our guild did that once and I think it served our 
needs for several years before it was used up.  For a single lacemaker, buy a 
yard or two from a supplier.

An alternative that's used by several people here is to print the pattern on 
blue paper and use clear sticky shelf paper on top.  The clear stuff is 
available in most Dollar Stores and many other stores.

Alice in Oregon ... where it's been very gray and cloudy but is supposed to 
improve for most of this week.

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To: Janice Blair , lace 
Sent: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 06:54:36 - (UTC)
Subject: Re: [lace] Graph paper/Needle lace

>
> What I should have asked was what Catherine used on her base, i.e. the 
> blue
> paper, which might be something to do with architecture.
>
> Catherine, please tell me what you use as the top layer of your base, and 
> then
> if anyone knows where we can obtain it in the US, that would be great.

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RE: [lace] Blue film

[Sue]

I always used blue film and ended up sticking it on crooked or with
creases in it I now copy onto blue or green paper and laminate it, if it
is only going to be used once there is no need to pre-prick which is an
added bonus for me.

Sue M Harvey
Norfolk UK

 

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[lace] Blue film alternative

[J. Falkink]

I usually print on coloured paper and use window film from a decorating
shop. Avoid film with patterns.

Jo

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Re: [lace] Blue film

[Diane Z]

If the pricking is a motif, and doesn't have to be moved there is another 
method.  Cut the film 2 inches larger all around than the pricking paper. 
Apply the pricking to the sticky back in a roll on method to eliminate air 
bubbles and then position it on your pillow.  Ulrika Lohr suggested this in 
a class and it's the method I've used since.  No pins or edges to catch 
threads.  Once, I repositioned it on the pillow and the blue film still 
stuck well to the woven cotten top.


Diane Zierold
Lubec, Maine

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Re: [lace] blue film

[Janice Blair]

We don't have a Staples in our town so I will have to look for one next time I 
am out and about.  Thanks for the tip.
Janice

Clive & Betty Rice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: =
Dear Janice,
I got my last light blue card stock at Staples office supply.  I have quit 
dealing with our local OfficeMax because their shop just isn't what it used to 
be. 

Happy Lacemaking,
Betty Ann in Roanoke, Virginia who is looking forward to returning to Illinois, 
the land of my birth for IOLI

From: Janice Blair 

...I had a large packet of this light blue cardstock which I finally ran out of 
about a year ago after ten years of lacemaking.  I cannot find the same pale 
blue color in the shops unless it is in a packet of mixed pastel colors, the 
ones in OfficeMax are very dark blue.  Does anyone know of a stockist of larger 
quantities of this paler blue cardstock?




Janice Blair
Crystal Lake, 50 miles northwest of Chicago, Illinois, USA
www.jblace.com
http://www.lacemakersofillinois.org/
www.landoflincolnlacemakers.com  Check convention news here for daily 
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[Clive & Betty Rice]

=
Dear Janice,
I got my last light blue card stock at Staples office supply.  I have quit 
dealing with our local OfficeMax because their shop just isn't what it used to 
be. 

Happy Lacemaking,
Betty Ann in Roanoke, Virginia who is looking forward to returning to Illinois, 
the land of my birth for IOLI

From: Janice Blair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

...I had a large packet of this light blue cardstock which I finally ran out of 
about a year ago after ten years of lacemaking.  I cannot find the same pale 
blue color in the shops unless it is in a packet of mixed pastel colors, the 
ones in OfficeMax are very dark blue.  Does anyone know of a stockist of larger 
quantities of this paler blue cardstock?

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[lace] blue film

[Janice Blair]

I usually print my patterns directly onto light blue cardstock.  I then put a 
piece of clear film over the top and cut the cardstock down on my paper cutter 
leaving a margin around the pricking.  

I had a large packet of this light blue cardstock which I finally ran out of 
about a year ago after ten years of lacemaking.  I cannot find the same pale 
blue color in the shops unless it is in a packet of mixed pastel colors, the 
ones in OfficeMax are very dark blue.  Does anyone know of a stockist of larger 
quantities of this paler blue cardstock?

Janice
 

Janice Blair
Crystal Lake, 50 miles northwest of Chicago, Illinois, USA
www.jblace.com
http://www.lacemakersofillinois.org/
www.landoflincolnlacemakers.com  Check convention news here for daily 
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Re: [lace] Blue film

[David in Ballarat]

Dear Betty Ann,


 One can buy contact paper without the shine and that works well.


Yes indeed. But the shiny one is dirt cheap at every supermarket - 
less than $1 a roll for us - and it goes a loong way!! Personally 
I prefer blue for white thread, and green for black.


All you need do it to scrub it with a new Scotchbrite scourer for a 
couple of seconds and woosh - you've got your matt film


David in Ballarat

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Re: [lace] Blue film

[Clive & Betty Rice]

I prefer pricking card for my patterns and have an excellent Canon copier that 
copies onto the card without any distortion of the dots.  When I learned 
lacemaking, we drew all the gimp lines onto the pricking card after pricking 
through the paper pattern.
I still use pricking card if it is a pattern that I will use again.  However, 
if it is a one-time use, I print the pattern on blue card stock and cover with 
contact paper.  One can buy contact paper without the shine and that works well.

Betty Ann

=
From: Jean Nathan 

...Others stick the film so it covers most of the card and then trim the 
edges of the card and film, so the film reaches right the edges.

What do others do?

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Re: [lace] Blue film

[Brenda Paternoster]

Hello Sue

The problem is probably because you are using photocopies.  Almost all 
photocopiers are set to print just very slightly narrower than wide (or 
is it the other way around?)  because the powers that be think that is 
a good thing in that it reduces the chances of loosing something very 
close to the edge of the original.


The way to check is to draw an *accurate* square, say 20cm x 20cm and 
then photocopy it, and photocopy the copy and then measure again.  
Chances are you will have a rectangle rather than a square.  It also 
means that an L shaped piece of lace pattern will end up with one arm 
narrower than the other making it impossible to fit joins together 
accurately and you just have to do your best, compromising as 
necessary.  It might work better to cut straight across rather than 
diagonally, or you could try with lots of straight strips (all copied 
in the same direction) joined together and then re-make the corner so 
that the edges are at 90 degrees and the gap between pinholes across 
the mitre go from very close to quite far apart.


In my experience using the computer to scan and print gives an accurate 
copy, though if you are starting with a photocopied 'original' it still 
won't be true though it won't get any worse.  Printing anything drawn 
on the computer should also be accurate when printed.


Brenda


Can anyone explain clearly please (because I find some instructions 
quite difficult to understand:-), the best way to make a pattern for 
strip lace.


How do you get a really acurate straight slopped cut from one piece 
onto the next.  My joins are often slightly wonky/not straight (but I 
manage quite well to line them up, thankfully).  The sides of the 
strips are never the same.
Sorry my explanation seems poor even to me this morning, so if anyone 
can understand my question,  can they advise me.  I like to see 
tidy patterns for a start and obviously it is important to get the 
spacing right for a lovely neat piece of lace.

Sue T, in sunny but very cold Dorset.


Years ago (pre heat laminator days) I was shown how to 'laminate' a 
piece of paper with clear film.


Cut the film to about an inch bigger all round.  Place the paper face 
up on a table, preferably formica or similar surface and stick the 
edge of the film to the table just above the top of the paper.  
Slowly unpeel the backing from the film and smooth it down over the 
paper using a ruler until you have the all 4 edges stuck to the 
tabletop with the paper in the middle and few if any air bubbles!  
Now peel it off the table, cut the corners off the film at 45 degrees 
and close to the corner of the paper so that you can wrap the film 
around in a mitre and then stick the triangles of film over the 
mitred edges at the back for extra strength.
I always wrap mine round the edges to the underside. Some just stick 
a piece over the pricked area of the card and leave an uncovered 
border round the edges. Others stick the film so it covers most of 
the card and then trim the edges of the card and film, so the film 
reaches right the edges.


What do others do?



Brenda in Allhallows, Kent
http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/index.html





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Re: [lace] Blue film

[David in Ballarat]

Jean

I always wrap mine round the edges to the underside. Some just stick 
a piece over the pricked area of the card and leave an uncovered 
border round the edges. Others stick the film so it covers most of 
the card and then trim the edges of the card and film, so the film 
reaches right the edges.


What do others do?


I always do it your last way - i.e. trim the blue film right round. 
However, even if the pricking is rectangular or square, I always make 
the trimming end up as an oval shape. That way there are no corners 
for the bobbins and/or thread to catch on.


David in Ballarat

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Re: [lace] Blue film

[Brenda Paternoster]

Years ago (pre heat laminator days) I was shown how to 'laminate' a 
piece of paper with clear film.


Cut the film to about an inch bigger all round.  Place the paper face 
up on a table, preferably formica or similar surface and stick the edge 
of the film to the table just above the top of the paper.  Slowly 
unpeel the backing from the film and smooth it down over the paper 
using a ruler until you have the all 4 edges stuck to the tabletop with 
the paper in the middle and few if any air bubbles!  Now peel it off 
the table, cut the corners off the film at 45 degrees and close to the 
corner of the paper so that you can wrap the film around in a mitre and 
then stick the triangles of film over the mitred edges at the back for 
extra strength.


Sometimes I use that method, sometimes I just stick the blue film over 
the printed pattern and trim so that pattern and film are the same 
size.  If I am making a yardage pricking I use the first method with 
card, but for a one-off which will not be re-used I find that paper and 
film on a food firm pillow is enough, and it doesn't need pre-pricking!


Brenda

I use blue film on my prickings because I print them on an inkjet 
printer and the ink isn't waterproof. I notice in the group I attend 
on Monday that people who use it attach the blue film to their 
prickings in different ways.


I always wrap mine round the edges to the underside. Some just stick a 
piece over the pricked area of the card and leave an uncovered border 
round the edges. Others stick the film so it covers most of the card 
and then trim the edges of the card and film, so the film reaches 
right the edges.


What do others do?



Brenda in Allhallows, Kent
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[lace] Blue film

[Jean Nathan]

I use blue film on my prickings because I print them on an inkjet printer 
and the ink isn't waterproof. I notice in the group I attend on Monday that 
people who use it attach the blue film to their prickings in different ways.


I always wrap mine round the edges to the underside. Some just stick a piece 
over the pricked area of the card and leave an uncovered border round the 
edges. Others stick the film so it covers most of the card and then trim the 
edges of the card and film, so the film reaches right the edges.


What do others do?

Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK

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Re: [lace] blue film

[Sue Babbs]

The one serious advantage of film (coloured or otherwise) is when you intend to 
stiffen the lace (eg for A
Christmas ornament). You can keep the lace pinned to the pattern (on or off the 
pillow) and apply the glue /
starch etc) and leave it to dry without shrinking
Sue Babbs
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Re: [lace] blue film

[Linda Walton]

Dear Lacemakers,

>
> > film you guys are talking about is.  And where would you get it?  I am
> > using grid
> > paper with scotch  tape all over it.

Yes, Lynn, when I started, that's what I did.  Well, I suppose I learned
from the experience, and it wasn't all negative.

And Clay, I've been through all that infuriating business with pricking card
and matt blue film too.  (Your description brought it all back, like PTSD!)

Now I go to my local copy-shop.  They will enlarge or reduce my pattern,
photocopy it on to blue paper, trim it to size, and laminate it between two
layers of thin clear plastic - all for a matter of pence - certainly well
under one pound sterling.

This removes all the difficulties about getting it stuck on to card, since
you don't need to use any.  The plastic that protects the pattern makes it
stiff enough, yet it's quite easy to pre-prick.  There's none of the
aggravation of trying to get the blue film on right, without wasting any -
it's expensive and can be difficult to find.  Finally - because no glue is
used - no glue accumulates on my pins.  Oh, and it's not shiny either, since
it's meant to protect posters and things which you hope people will want to
read.

Yours sincerely,
(and blessing the day I saw this tip here on Arachne),
Linda Walton,
(in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K.
where we're sunk in holiday lethargy . . .
not even making lace).

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[lace] blue film

[Wildgun004smate]

Well golly you guys, Thank you for responding so quickly, tomorrow is payday, 
yeah so I can go shopping.

Lynn
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Clarksburg, West Virginia

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Re: [lace] blue film

[Sue Babbs]

In the summer I  discovered book covering vinyl in Walgreen's, in the back to school 
section. (It is made by
Kittrich). I have been using it on the patterns for the group I teach at the local 
school and it seems to work
as well as the blue film. It cost me about $3 for a pack of four rolls each 13.5" x 
30". you can get it in
clear, but I chose the coloured pack - blue, vivid green, 'hot' pink and purple.

The really good thing about it is that it is removable and repositionable, so takes 
away all that stress!!
Sue
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Re: [lace] blue film

[Adele Shaak]

Hello, all -

First - Clay, can you stand more ideas for your blue film? I don't like 
to stick down the film at the top of the pricking because if you're 
doing a long pricking and you're just a little bit off at the top it 
will go on slanted and not cover all the pricking by the time you get 
to the bottom.

I took my method from the people at This Old House, attaching new 
laminate to a countertop - they start in the middle and work out in 
both directions. I mark the lengthwise centre of my pricking, and then 
hold the film doubled over with the sticky side out and lower it 
quickly onto the pricking at the middle. That holds the pricking in 
place, and then I can smooth from the middle out in peace.

film you guys are talking about is.  And where would you get it?  I am 
using grid
paper with scotch  tape all over it.
Lynn - the blue film is something many people use to have a dull 
transparent blue surface to work the lace on. (You want the pricking 
coloured so you can see the white threads better, and blue is said to 
be the easiest on the eyes) There is a sticky blue film on the market 
that they put over the pricking. I have never bought this film as what 
I have seen is quite expensive, so what I do (and a lot of other 
Arachnes) is to photocopy the pricking onto blue paper, and then 
sandwich that between a layer of light card and a layer of *clear* 
film. You can get the clear film, one side sticky, in home centres or 
large hardware stores - it's sold as shelf covering and is inexpensive. 
I think my last roll was about $3.00 for 12 feet. It has a backing 
paper on it that is marked with a grid, which helps with cutting. Using 
this, the pricking surface is glossy, not dull, but so far it hasn't 
bothered my eyes.

Hope this helps.

Adele
North Vancouver, BC
(west coast of Canada)
Help! White Stuff on the Ground!!! What is it? ;-)
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[lace] blue film

[Wildgun004smate]

Hi Ya'll

  Ok I am definately a new lacer because I haven't a clue as to this blue 
film you guys are talking about is.  And where would you get it?  I am using grid 
paper with scotch  tape all over it.  Santa skipped me this year,  I think 
it's cause DH thinks I am crazy for wanting to do this stuff, although I did 
have the opportunity to make 12 pairs of bobbins, I am getting quite good on the 
lathe, plus I have a fellow that makes my pillows for me, he has made two so 
far, and I keep adding stuff to them, like locks to hold the roller in place 
and a stand for instructions so they are easily accesible.  Anyhow, I guess 
Santa did come after all.  :)

Lynn
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Clarksburg, West Virginia

weather unknown cause it can't make up it's mind ie: cold one day hot the 
next, snow etc.  

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