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I was in attending a christening which was part of a Sunday service, where 5 or 6 babies were baptised. One of these infants (not the one I was attending for) got the 11 first names of the players in the Liverpool football team. What was even worse than having 11 names, is that 2 of the names were repeated! Regards Steph In Berlin, Germany -- Money can't buy everything. That's what credit cards are for. Steph Peters stepha...@sandbenders.demon.co.uk Tatting, lace stitching page http://www.sandbenders.demon.co.uk/index.htm To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com.
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My best friends mum, when I was a child, was called Daisy. She married Walter Lawn. When nuseing I had a Duncan Duncan a John Thomas AND a Clamidia! If any one doesn't know the John Thomas or the Clamidia email me. The Clamidia is spelt different from the infection! Vivienne To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com.
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One of my husband's best friends from childhood was named James Dick (Dick was his last name). His father was Dr. Dick (and he was a proctologist). James met a woman who refused to even go out with him at first, but finally agreed, and they ended up getting married. Her name was Anita. She retained her own last name. One of my mother's childhood friends was the daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Bugg. They named her Ima June. One of my own childhood friends was named Ethel Bethel. She was grateful when she was married and no longer had to have the rhyming name. She even dropped the Ethel and goes by Beth. Clay To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com.
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I've got one to match that! Came across a female Porphyria. Nothing like being named after a rare and potentially fatal blood disorder! Thurlow Lancaster OH viviennewal...@aol.com wrote: AND a Clamidia! If any one doesn't know the John Thomas or the Clamidia email me. The Clamidia is spelt different from the infection! Vivienne To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com.
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My daughter needed a long copy of her birth certificate from England and when she compared the two she realised that the short copy did not include her parents names! I never noticed that fact before. My son is a Robin which was more of a male name in England when he was born in 1971 but when we came to the US he was often mistaken for a girl. I guess I had very androgenous looking kids when they were younger. Not now he is 6'3, well built and with a beard. He also got stuck with Andrew as a second name because my DH forgot we had decided on James when he registered his name. Well, that is what DH told me!! :-) I was happy to take my husbands surname on marriage as it moved me to the front end of the alphabet. My maiden name is Umpleby and I bet if most of you check your local phone book you will not find another one. I think it dies out in our family when my old Aunty dies. I cannot imagine anyone hyphenating that one! When I write to married female friends I never use a title and much prefer just the plain name and I don't care if it upsets anyone, but my Christmas cards always are addressed to Mr. Mrs followed by their last name. Why add more than is necessary, maybe it is another sign of laziness. :-) I can also never understand why parents give their children names with the same initials as themselves. Is it because they want to open mail addressed to their children by mistake!! George Foreman comes to mind with all his boys being called George! Janice Blair Janice Blair Crystal Lake, 50 miles northwest of Chicago, Illinois, USA http://www.lacemakersofillinois.org/ To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi All, The short copy of the birth certificate is usually the one used by the parents of adopted children - our daughter is adopted, and although on original certificates is the name of the parent(s), on the shorter one they are not mentioned - her name is 'Claire Louise Adkinson' on the short certificate, which is far better, from our point of view and from hers! On the adoption certificate, though, are the names of the natural parent(s), and the adoptive parents, so there can be a paper trail to follow in later years! Just for the benefit of the genealogists amongst us, I suppose. Of course, she and her brother also have Baptismal certificates as well, and of course commemorative bobbins of their births . Carol - in Suffolk UK. - Original Message - From: Janice Blair [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lace-chat-digest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 6:28 PM Subject: [lace-chat] names My daughter needed a long copy of her birth certificate from England and when she compared the two she realised that the short copy did not include her parents names! I never noticed that fact before. To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] omputer, Carol Adkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes The short copy of the birth certificate is usually the one used by the parents of adopted children - From what I remember of DH registering our two daughters, the short certificate was free (ie at initial registration) - he had to pay for the full certificate. This may have been the case over the years - my grandfather's original certificate (1886), which we still have, is a short one. I bought a short copy of my (full) certificate when I needed to send a certificate away (for a passport application I think) - so that the full certificate stayed in my possession. It shows name, sex, date and place of birth (registration district and sub district), and the date and signature of the registrar when it was produced. As yet, I haven't needed to request a copy of a marriage certificate where the marriage has subsequently ended in divorce. (With the exception of my brother, in the section of our family that I am researching, we have all held on to our spouses). If anyone has, can you settle a point of curiosity? When (at work) we send off divorce papers to the Court for issue, the marriage certificate is sent to the Court and unless the divorce is stopped, the Court keep hold of it. (Which confuses an awful lot of people who think they will get it back). Is it still possible to get a copy of the certificate and is the register noted in any way to show that a divorce has taken place? -- Jane Partridge To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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In one family I know, the children all got the same initials so they could inherit the monogrammed items and they'd be still applicable! Though I never saw that they had all that much - maybe it just came out for family feasts, and I'm not family! -- -- Martha Krieg [EMAIL PROTECTED] in Michigan To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Some time in his life, he'd obviously just got confused, but all important documents were in his correct name. My brother's father-in-law died a couple of years ago and he had been rather 'difficult' over the previous few years. On looking over some of the mounds of paperwork they found in the house it transpired that at some point he had changed his name by adding a middle name not on his birth certificate and had opened several bank/building accounts in this name as well as in his original name. When my brother went to register the death he asked what they should do and was told they'd put it down as 'name surname also known as name middle name surname'. He went straight onto the solictor's and they were very relieved as if the certificate had only been in one name they would not have been able to close the accounts in the other name and they would have had to wait 7 years for him to be 'presumed dead' and deal with the will. He left quite a few little shocks in store for them - they found he had changed his will and the new one wasn't discovered until my SIL had nearly finished dealing with the first one. In all it took her a couple of years of paperwork to sort it all out - he had hidden statements and all sorts in bags that appeared to contain rubbish so they had to check absolutely everything in the house. Lynne Cumming Baldock, North Herts, UK email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig. To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This thread has been very interesting to read. Some years back I had cause to go to the courthouse and get a certified copy of by birth certificate. Paid my money and the lady comes back with the document. That is when I discovered that my middle name was Christian instead of Christina. I told the woman that there was a mistake, my middle name was not Christian. She went and got the book my birth was registered in and showed me. Yes, it probably was a mistake on the part of the person who wrote my name in THE BOOK but she couldn't make any changes. She gave me the necessary papers to fill out and send to the state of Illinois. I had to have my mother certify that indeed my middle name was Christina and in due course and the payment of $35.00 I received a new birth record from the state with the proper spelling and an official document explaining what was my name and what it is now and the reason for the change. I was assured THE BOOK had been corrected - at least at the state level... Who knows what it still says at the Winnebago County Registrars Office...Since I was the 7th generation from my mother's side with Christina someplace in the naming scheme, although my mother changed the first letter from a K to a C, I didn't wish to be Christian even if it is the male form of the name. My daughter became the 8th generation and I Americanized it to Christine and she in turn changed it to Chrisitin for her daughter. I believe it has stopped with my granddaughter as she has had two daughters and not included the name Christina or any of it's forms in her daughter's names. Says she's not having any more children. 2 girls, 3 boys - yes, I think that's enough too! Best Regards, Carol Melton Valley of the Sun - Phoenix, AZ U.S.A. To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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David, You may not be sure, but I am. Definitely female. Which would probably explain why I hate Miss, Mrs and Ms, but I do see how things can get confusing when I insist on Mr. Believe me, no one who sees me doubts my gender, which is why so many people refuse to call me Mr. So, with me not answering to Miss, Ms or Mrs, and most people refusing to call me Mr, I end up being called Lise and Lise-Aurore a lot. Which is actually quite fine with me. And, in case you are wondering, both Lise and Aurore are feminine names in French. Now you have me wondering. If I dressed differently, and had really short hair, could I pass myself off as a man Hum, would be difficult, what would I do with that chest Worth a chuckle!!! And I'm just kidding. I am female, and have no intention of hiding it. Lise-Aurore In beautiful sunny, 22C Ottawa. Glorious day!!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David in Ballarat Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 12:24 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [lace-chat] Names and titles Dear Lise-Aurore, And then, there's the usage in French, where I am referred to as Madame le docteur. I'm not to crazy about that, but it is difficult to make people believe that I'm a Monsieur. I was rather distressed this spring, when everyone in France seemed to want to call me Mademoiselle. How very insulting I did speak up, and insisted on Monsieur. Having read your complicated email, I now really have no idea what gender you are. I had always assumed you were female, but now am not so sure. I really don't care anyway! To me you're just another lace-maker :) who probably walks on 2 legs and writes English at least. David in Ballarat Lise-Aurore Lise-Aurore Lapalme, PhD [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 995-9065 facsimile/télécopieur (613) 992-8581 Natural Resources Canada/Ressources naturelles Canada 580 Booth, Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0E4 Government of Canada/Gouvernement du Canada To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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It's always been given name in my dialect -- perhaps because most of the churches around were anabaptist. -- Joy Beeson http://joybeeson.home.comcast.net/ http://roughsewing.home.comcast.net/ http://n3f.home.comcast.net/ -- Writers' Exchange http://www.timeswrsw.com/craig/cam/ (local weather) west of Fort Wayne, Indiana, U.S.A. where To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Every place I've lived, even when Christianity could mainly be assumed, we just called it first name. We do understand given name to mean first name - but logically if a person has a first and one or more middle names, those are all given rather than inherited. Never heard Christian name - except in books. -- -- Martha Krieg [EMAIL PROTECTED] in Michigan To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Wow! What an interesting thread. Personally, I cannot abide being called Miss, Mrs or Ms. Never could, before marriage, during marriage, or after, always hated them, from as far back as I can remember. I see them as sexist and degrading to women, since their sole purpose is to indicate marriage status. Where are the male titles that indicate marriage status? Oh, I know that Ms was originally designed to be used as Mr., but that is not what happened. As far as I'm concerned, there should be one title that indicates adult human being, and one that indicates young human being. Mr. works as an adult human being title for me. Yes, there have been some interesting episodes when I stood in front of people and asked to be addressed as Mr, but I take this immensely seriously. While I was married, my name was hyphenated. If people did not pronounce both names, I didn't answer. If people used his first name in referring to me, I didn't answer. I answered to my name only. Since he worked with the Canadian and American military, you can imagine the difficulties I had. On the other hand, I have never really cared if people want to use the full first name, or just half. Lots of people have difficulty pronouncing Aurore, so I don't mind being called Lise, or Lise-Aurore. I have since partly solved the title problem. Having completely a PhD, when asked my title, I use Dr. Nice, not sexist, has no marriage status or gender connotations. I like it. But, there remains the problem of many forms, especially the ones you fill in electronically, that do not recognize Dr. In those cases, I either refuse to fill in the form and send a message to the administrator, or fill in the form with Mr. and then send a message to the administrator. And then there are the people, like my mother, who insist that I have no right to the title Dr. because I am not a medical practitioner. And then, there's the usage in French, where I am referred to as Madame le docteur. I'm not to crazy about that, but it is difficult to make people believe that I'm a Monsieur. I was rather distressed this spring, when everyone in France seemed to want to call me Mademoiselle. How very insulting I did speak up, and insisted on Monsieur. Lise-Aurore Lise-Aurore Lapalme, PhD [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 995-9065 facsimile/télécopieur (613) 992-8581 Natural Resources Canada/Ressources naturelles Canada 580 Booth, Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0E4 Government of Canada/Gouvernement du Canada To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Dear Lise-Aurore, And then, there's the usage in French, where I am referred to as Madame le docteur. I'm not to crazy about that, but it is difficult to make people believe that I'm a Monsieur. I was rather distressed this spring, when everyone in France seemed to want to call me Mademoiselle. How very insulting I did speak up, and insisted on Monsieur. Having read your complicated email, I now really have no idea what gender you are. I had always assumed you were female, but now am not so sure. I really don't care anyway! To me you're just another lace-maker :) who probably walks on 2 legs and writes English at least. David in Ballarat Lise-Aurore Lise-Aurore Lapalme, PhD [EMAIL PROTECTED] (613) 995-9065 facsimile/télécopieur (613) 992-8581 Natural Resources Canada/Ressources naturelles Canada 580 Booth, Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0E4 Government of Canada/Gouvernement du Canada To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi All, This thread is making me chuckle!When I first went to Newcastle, in the north of England, I couldn't wait for someone - anyone! - to call me 'Pet'. And when I stopped to ask for directions, I could have kissed the chappie who obliged by calling me 'Pet' - I have never thought that calling a person 'Love', or 'Sunshine' or anything else is the least bit derogatory, but it can be downright unpleasant if someone calls one by name, but sneeringly! So - perhaps it is all in our perceptions.. Carol - in Suffolk UK. - Original Message - From: Helen Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lace-chat@arachne.com Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 1:30 AM Subject: Re: [lace-chat] Names Titles My pet hate is when someone who is young enough to be my granddaughter calls me Luv. Ugh!! Told one young thing of about 16 that I was not her Luv and what's more, I never would be. To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Carol wrote: This thread is making me chuckle!When I first went to Newcastle, in the north of England, I couldn't wait for someone - anyone! - to call me 'Pet'. In some areas you could be called be called by the not-intended-to-be-derogatory term of chuck or lass, and in Scotland hen. I'm sure there are lots more, but these spring immediately to mind. Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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But now I'm curious: the tendency in the US of children addressing elders by their first name;. You brought to mind the small child of our friends who was just learning to talk. He could pronouce DH's name of Chuck but not mine. He solved it by calling both of us 'Chuck'. He knew we always came together so the single name worked for him. This went on only a few months until his language skills developed more. I was rather a surprise to me until I realized what was happening. The families parted ways before he was old enough to say Mr or Mrs, but he did finally learn to say Alice. On another subject...As I got older, I was sometimes annoyed in a medical office when a young twerp of a girl would call me Alice. I have since noticed that's it's commonly done in various medical offices. Once in a while they will use the full name but usually it's just the first name. Alice in Oregon To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Firstly, it never occurred to me to give my own details as Mrs William Nathan to anyone, or to be known as that. The only time it's use is if something is address to us both, and even then on our local tax bill, the account is Mr William E Nathan and Mrs Jean E Nathan. Since marriage I've always been Mrs Jean Nathan or just Jean Nathan. Also on what Alice wrote: On another subject...As I got older, I was sometimes annoyed in a medical office when a young twerp of a girl would call me Alice. I have since noticed that's it's commonly done in various medical offices. Once in a while they will use the full name but usually it's just the first name. Last time I was in hospital, on admission I was asked how I wanted to be addressed by staff. Last week I went for my usual monthly blood test, and while everyone else booking in was asked to confirm the details on the test form and who their General Practitioner was, when I handed my form in the receptionist look up and said I assume it's the same as always. before she'd even read the name on he form. When you consider that about 3,000 tests are done a week, I'm still amazed that she and most of the phlebotomists know who I am by sight. They all call me Mrs Nathan. Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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My husband has five sisters and two younger brothers. Since one brother is only a little older than my sons, the title of uncle is not always used. Anyway, being that my older son, when small, saw his five aunts more often than his other uncle, he was in the habit of using the title aunt. Thus, when he did see his uncle, he was also called aunt. As a teacher, my students call me Mrs. Sylvie. I've been known by that for so long that I've haven't had any luck getting them to call me by my last name, as other US teachers are. But, then I don't mind. Outside of my workplace, I do not use Mrs. Among my husband's family and my family members, about half of the women have changed their last names. Others use combinations of last names, as I tend to do. I never write all of my names, as I have too many. Sylvie A. Roy Nguyen (there are more) Cherry Valley, IL, USA __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This made me smile. Our income tax forms come with preprinted name and address labels (the tax preparer must fill out the rest -- this is, of course, predating computerized tax preparation). I have always prepared our taxes, so many years ago I changed the order of our names, with me listed first, on both state and federal taxes. The IRS was apparently happy with this arrangement and ever after put my name first. But no matter how many times over the years I put my name first on the tax form for the state of Massachusetts, they *always* changed it back next year to listing my husband first! For the last five or so years I've used a computerized tax preparation program, it never messes with me. ;-) Carolyn Carolyn Hastings Stow, MA USA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jean Nathan Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 3:41 AM To: Chat Subject: [lace-chat] Names and titles Firstly, it never occurred to me to give my own details as Mrs William Nathan to anyone, or to be known as that. The only time it's use is if something is address to us both, and even then on our local tax bill, the account is Mr William E Nathan and Mrs Jean E Nathan. Since marriage I've always been Mrs Jean Nathan or just Jean Nathan. Also on what Alice wrote: On another subject...As I got older, I was sometimes annoyed in a medical office when a young twerp of a girl would call me Alice. I have since noticed that's it's commonly done in various medical offices. Once in a while they will use the full name but usually it's just the first name. Last time I was in hospital, on admission I was asked how I wanted to be addressed by staff. Last week I went for my usual monthly blood test, and while everyone else booking in was asked to confirm the details on the test form and who their General Practitioner was, when I handed my form in the receptionist look up and said I assume it's the same as always. before she'd even read the name on he form. When you consider that about 3,000 tests are done a week, I'm still amazed that she and most of the phlebotomists know who I am by sight. They all call me Mrs Nathan. Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Thurlow Weed [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes But now I'm curious: the tendency in the US of children addressing elders by their first name; while I abhor it, I am curious to know if this is the case in other countries as well. Is this a US phenomenon, or does it exist elsewhere? It possibly spread to England from the US, but when I was a Guide Guider, (the English equivalent to a Girl Scout leader) I would often find the girls addressing me as Miss (by which they were used to addressing their school teachers) once we got past the Guiding change from being Captain and Lieutenant (I was the latter) to being Guider and Assistant Guider - by which time I was married, but still only about 10-12 years older than the girls. My usual retort was that I wasn't a Miss, I was a Mrs, and my name was Jane - which is what I preferred them to call me. This was from the early 1980s through to when I finished in 1994. Like you, as a child, I was taught to address adults by their formal name - title and surname. My daughters address me as Mom, I insisted that only their true aunts and uncles were addressed as such, and where my nieces and nephew are concerned, I don't expect them to use the title aunt now they are adults. (They still do, occasionally, though!). What does annoy me more is when someone addresses me by my full name (particularly in the salutation to a letter, often a bulk mailed circular) with or without title - it should be either first name only (if they know me well, which this ilk don't) or by my formal name of Mrs Partridge. In the address line on the envelope, Mrs Jane Partridge is correct - this distinguishes me from my daughter, Miss Jenny Partridge (though we are JM and JL respectively, the dropping of the title and second initial can cause confusion as to who opens the envelope!). -- Jane Partridge To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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That is much better than the ones who call you 'Honey' or something similar! Our former dentist had a Southern middle-aged woman for a receptionist who constantly used Honey or something similar. At home I called her 'Rotten Magnolia'. I was really glad when she left. At least when they call you by your first name, you can tell they know who/which patient they are talking to. Lorri On another subject...As I got older, I was sometimes annoyed in a medical office when a young twerp of a girl would call me Alice. I have since noticed that's it's commonly done in various medical offices. Once in a while they will use the full name but usually it's just the first name. Alice in Oregon To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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In theory the title Ms refers to any female and is the equivalent of Mr. In practice, (here in England) nearly all women who choose to use the title Ms are divorced, or at least separated from their husband and so it actually says a lot more about the personal circumstances than Mr does. If you really want your personal situation to be as private as possible be a Mrs. In France all women above a certain age mid 20s? are Mme, in Poland all women over 18 are Pani, so why not make all English speaking adult women Mrs. ? At work I process Adult Education enrolments which includes recording names and addresses. Sometimes it's done from an application form filled in by the student and in that case I'll input whatever title she has chosen, but if I'm inputting directly (face to face or by phone) I never ask for a title although some people give it, I just tick the box for female. That way any computer generated correspondence to that student goes out without a title. Some colleagues routinely tick Ms without asking, but that generates Ms on any forms or address labels and occasionally irks someone. Brenda On 27 Aug 2006, at 03:20, Helen Ward wrote: Since I've been divorced since 1977, I don't consider myself a Mrs, nor am I a Miss. Unless I'm forced to use a 'title' I don't use one - I'm just 'Helen Ward'. If I'm forced to use one I use Ms. Brenda http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/ To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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My pet hate is when someone who is young enough to be my granddaughter calls me Luv. Ugh!! Told one young thing of about 16 that I was not her Luv and what's more, I never would be. Helen. That is much better than the ones who call you 'Honey' or something similar! Lorri To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello all, Like Mr. Weed, (or perhaps I should call him 'young Thurlow' as I am 3 years older) I too, deplore the use of first names of adults by children. However, it is sometimes difficult to insist that my children call others by their titles. We had some friends who insisted that they be called by their first names. As I informed my children, it is alright to call them Dale and Leslie, since what you call them is a matter of respect and it would be disrespectful to call them Mr. and Mrs. when they don't like it. I am in Canada and have been fighting a losing battle with the name 'thing,' so it isn't just limited to the States. My children's friends call me Mrs. Sterling (my daughter's name) - even my son's friends! Which is fine by me, as long as they don't use only my first name. I also believe that everyone is equal, but that respect is something that should be shown and using titles is one way. The only thing I don't like is when someone clings to their title when everyone else is on a first name basis. I have a 'doctor' acquaintance who does that. Heather (Mrs. Muth) Abbotsford, BC After an afternoon spent at White Rock At 05:07 PM 25/08/2006 -0400, Mr. T. Weed wrote: But now I'm curious: the tendency in the US of children addressing elders by their first name; while I abhor it, I am curious to know if this is the case in other countries as well. Is this a US phenomenon, or does it exist elsewhere? Thurlow an old-fashioned person Lancaster, OH To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace-chat] Names Titles
I find it quite interesting how strong our feelings are about names and titles (there is an almost identical discussion going on at the moment in another group I am involved with). I am in that camp which abhors titles and has no problems with children addressing adults by their first names. I have never liked titles and can see no good reason for labelling my gender and marital status to strangers - I particularly hate the way most computer forms do not permit a blank title. When we named our son, we gave him 3 forenames, all of which could be shortened or changed in some way so as to ensure he could choose a name appropriate for himself. We also decided that apart from blood relatives we would not introduce the idea of calling anybody auntie or uncle, but he would address people by the same name we would use ourselves to that person - generally a first name. This was reinforced for us when we lived for a time in Germany and found that it was common practice for very young children to address adults by their first names (something we had not anticipated having understood Germany was far more formal than the UK). I honestly can't remember when I last addressed anybody with a title. If referring to somebody to a third party, depending on circumstances I might use their family name with their forename, but never with a title. I think what interests me most about this whole subject is that attitudes seem to have little to do with age (I'm 56), minimal to do with upbringing, something to do with cultural roots and a lot to do with personal preferences and attitudes. Cheers Liz (aka Liz Thackray) in Sussex, UK To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Names Titles
My father had 3 Christian names, and they were such a pain to write out in full on any Official form, that he insisted I only have one - to spare me that problem! One title' I hate is Ms. - However I do use it when I don't know if the person is a Miss or Mrs! But everyone knows I am a Mrs, so why don't they use it. I also have mail coming addressed just to Eliz Ligeti, without a title at all. -- another of life's little irritants!! Good Manners seem to have gone out the window these days. I, too, don';t like young children calling me by my first name. It shows a lack of respect for elders. I still call the Dr Dr. not by his first name - though I think he indicated we could. It is a showing of respect for the position. There again - I am old fashioned like Thurlow,! (I hope first names are OK on Arachne!! I count everyone on the list as a good friend.!!!:)) ) Addressing folks by their first name in Not just in the US - It is here in Oz, too! Regards from Liz in Melbourne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Names Titles
Since I've been divorced since 1977, I don't consider myself a Mrs, nor am I a Miss. Unless I'm forced to use a 'title' I don't use one - I'm just 'Helen Ward'. If I'm forced to use one I use Ms. I don't see why in this day and age, that when men don't need to use a title, that women have to. And no, I'm not into women's lib. Helen, who got slightly sunburned watching DGS play footy yesterday. Wish it had rained though! To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Names and titles
Seeing all these comments about married women being addressed by their husbands name prefixed with Mrs set off one of my pet niggles. My family background is Quaker, and I taught to address people by their given name family name and not to use titles as everyone is equal, and using titles denote inequality. For myself I only ever use my given name family name, Rosemary Naish, and normally this is acceptable, except when you come to a computer. Most systems seem to insist on using a title, so I always use the default, which is normally set to Mr - this does seem to upset a lot of sales assistants, bank clerks etc, but I think it just shows how out of date and ridiculous the whole system of courtsey titles is. What I have no problem with is titles that have been earned, like Doctor, Professor, etc. What do other people think? Rosemary, Somerset To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Names Titles
Rosemary's post got me thinking a bit about my upbringing. I was discussing this thread with my mother by phone this morning, and she too, despised being addressed as Mrs Thurlow Weed. She had her own name, thank you very much. Shortly after she was married, she encountered Mrs Thurlow Weed, the former Auwina van Dijk. As far as she was concerned, she still was very much Auwina, nothing former about it. (And still is to this day!) In the US, she formally uses Auwina Weed, but when she goes to the Netherlands to visit, the uses her maiden name of van Dijk. Part of it, she admits, is linguistics, as people in the US often become helpless with a Dutch surname, and in the Netherlands the English Weed produces some interesting spelling variations. With regard to titles, I was always taught to address my elders as Mr or Mrs So-and-so. It was taught as a form of respect, that children are never to address an older person by their first names. That would be disrespectful. Of course, earned titles such as Dr, Rev, and so forth were always appropriate. As one grew up, this practise would be continued to some extent among one's peers in business settings, until such time as the professional relationship was close enough to allow address by first name, or if one was invited to do so. One of my peeves is the tendency nowadays of children addressing people of their parents' or grandparents' generation by their first names. I am not often in surroundings with young children, but on the rare occasion that I find myself so, I occasionally find myself correcting an (in my mind) erroneous introduction, and I insist young children address me as Mr Weed. They're not old enough to address me by my first name. Addressing an elder by first name is a privilege, not a right. Recently though, I'm finding younger people (in their 20s, I'm 40) are addressing me as Sir. While I suppose this is done out of respect, I find it a bit startling, as it is unexpected. Am I starting to look that distinguished, or just that old and wrinkled? According to my SO, it's the latter; according to everyone else, it isn't. :) I must add though, that my first grade teacher has implored me, since I'm now an adult, to please address her as Jeanne. While I appreciated the invitation, I told her she made such an impression on me as a child, and drove home so firmly how to address one's elders, I had to politely decline and continue to address her as Miss Gruenwald. It would feel rude and impolite to do otherwise. She laughed and then lamented that she had the same trouble with nearly all of her former pupils. Perhaps I taught them too well, she said with a chuckle. But now I'm curious: the tendency in the US of children addressing elders by their first name; while I abhor it, I am curious to know if this is the case in other countries as well. Is this a US phenomenon, or does it exist elsewhere? Thurlow an old-fashioned person Lancaster, OH To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Names and places on Arachne
Susan wrote: all you need is a phone book in the city and state and then you have the address of whoever you want. Don't know about the US, but in the UK we have the option of not having our telephone number listed. My number hasn't been listed for any address I've lived at since1967. We had two options: 1) Our number wouldn't be given to anyone (Ex-directory, no calls offered) 2) Our number wouldn't be given to anyone, but if someone wanted to contact us, they could ask the operator to ask us if we would take a call from them. If we would the operator would connect them without telling them the number. If we wouldn't or there was no reply, the operator would tell them we would not accept the call, so they wouldn't know if we were home or not. (Ex-directory, calls offered) Anyone can find out who's living at an address by looking at the electoral register for an area. There's also 192.com which combines the phone book and the electoral roll. Numerous companies have your details and sell them to others, which is why you get junk mail and attempts to part you from your money by cold calling you. By only giving our phone number to selected people and only essential companies, we get very few cold calls, but loads of junk mail. So giving your name and town/county/country or city/zip code/country on an Arachne email won't add many unscrupulous people to the list of those who already have your details. Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
