Re: [lubuntu-users] lubuntu 14.04 ppc - graphics problem

[marc]

  writes:

> 
> Finally i got the ppc live-cd to work: But the graphics are heavvily
> messed up. Some windows - network manager e.g. - seems transparent and
> empty. Moving the windows is slow etc. And the cpu is working all time
> at 100% (therefore the fan is on and loud too!).
> 
> I'm sure that's related to the video driver. Is there a setting i could
> put in to yaboot "on the fly" to hopefully correct/stabilize the
> display. The graphic card of the machine is a RV350/M10 (i think that's
> the same like a Radeon960/M10)
> 
> Moreover, during the boot, i noticed there is a problem with the
> broadcom driver but i couldn't read the msg exactly. In any case
> something like: kernel modules for broadcom legacy ar missing.
> 
> TIA for any pointer.
> 

this is my solution, modify the xorg.conf.


Section "Screen"
Identifier "Screen0"
Device "Radeon9200"
DefaultDepth 16
EndSection

Section "Device"
Identifier"Radeon 9600"
Driver"radeon"
BusID"PCI:0:16:0"
Option"AGPMode" "1"
Option"GARTSize" "16"
Option"AccelMethod" "EXA"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
Identifier"Configured Monitor"
Option"DPMS"
EndSection

Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier"Default Layout"
Screen"Screen0"
EndSection

Section "DRI"
Mode 0666
EndSection

Section "Extensions"
Option"Composite" "Enable"
EndSection





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Re: Another question-- Window compositing in Lubuntu 14.04

[Israel]

On 07/14/2015 09:16 AM, Fritz Hudnut wrote:

 On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 5:10 PM, Israel israeld...@gmail.com
 mailto:israeld...@gmail.com wrote:

 In other words the OGs from compton stay in their hood while the
 OGs from XFCE stay in theirs... and things can get messed up if
 you try to bring compton to XFCE.



 @Israel:

 OK, I can be down wit dat . . . it seemed like you were saying that
 the log out should*** be keepin' the homies in the their turf . .
 . for the most part.  But, if for some reason things seem to be going
 gangsta . . . then just re-starting lightdm should make things
 normal between the crips and the bloods  (I don't know which one
 is more like XFCE or which is like LXDE, . . . blue? red??)  : - )

 F
Uh...
I think the compton analogies have lost me :)

But yes if you stop lightdm it should kill all X
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X.Org_Server related apps, but all
services started by upstart https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upstart or
systemd are started differently and stopped differently
the sudo stop lightdm may/may not work in future releases... I have not
really migrated to a systemd system yet...  so... this may be different
later :)

compton (and xfwm) should stop when your session stops (logout/ or a
restart of lightdm)... you can always check what is running via a task
manager/system monitor
I usually install htop so I can view tasks from a terminal as well...
but I like the terminal a lot :)  However if you have to accounts logged
in using different DE they should be running at the same time, but for
separate desktops and not interfere with each other I have not
really tested this out, so don't quote me on it :)


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Re: Another question-- Window compositing in Lubuntu 14.04

[Fritz Hudnut]

On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 5:10 PM, Israel israeld...@gmail.com wrote:

 In other words the OGs from compton stay in their hood while the OGs from
 XFCE stay in theirs... and things can get messed up if you try to bring
 compton to XFCE.



@Israel:

OK, I can be down wit dat . . . it seemed like you were saying that the log
out should*** be keepin' the homies in the their turf . . . for the
most part.  But, if for some reason things seem to be going gangsta . . .
then just re-starting lightdm should make things normal between the crips
and the bloods  (I don't know which one is more like XFCE or which is
like LXDE, . . . blue? red??)  : - )

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Re: Another question-- Window compositing in Lubuntu 14.04

[Aere Greenway]

On 07/14/2015 09:29 AM, Israel wrote:
compton (and xfwm) should stop when your session stops (logout/ or a 
restart of lightdm)... you can always check what is running via a task 
manager/system monitor

Israel  Fritz:

When I sign-out, my screen is still in (or becomes that way after going 
blank) graphics mode, with the login dialog visible.


Is lightdm terminated (and re-initialized) by logging off, or does it 
remain in control of the screen?


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Re: Another question-- Window compositing in Lubuntu 14.04

[Brendan Perrine]

On Tue, 14 Jul 2015 10:31:18 -0600
Aere Greenway a...@dvorak-keyboards.com wrote:

 Is lightdm terminated (and re-initialized) by logging off, or does it 
Lightdm stays as a display manager unless you restart it. It also because of 
lightdm that you can graphically switch users with to users logged into 
sessions and select among different Desktop environments or window managers. 
When the screen is locked lighdm is not restarted. If you restart lightdm it 
basically logs all graphical users out and have to start a new session. 
Restarting lightdm with a screensaver with the forced log out could really 
easily lead to data loss until the last save if you were say editing a text 
file or in a word processor and as such restarting lighdm when locking the 
screen is not a good idea. Light locker the current default screensaver for 
lubuntu and xubuntu takes you to the lighdm greeter screen for authentaication. 

Although if your grapical interface is not responding and nothing seems to work 
restarting lightdm could get you back to a working graphical interface once you 
log in again. This is something I would try if the graphical interface is not 
responding and you can switch to a tty instead of just cold booting the 
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Re: Another question-- Window compositing in Lubuntu 14.04

[Israel]

On 07/12/2015 05:45 PM, Fritz Hudnut wrote:

 ..

 @Israel, et al:

 Another technical question came to mind on this compton disown . .
 . besides wondering if there is a sudo in front of any of these
 commands.  And that is, since I am running XFCE, which has its own
 compositing manager, and then possibly LXDE, which does not . . . if I
 run this compton command while in LXDE, will that end if I log out
 of the session and then log back into XFCE?  Or would I need to do a
 restart to bust out'a Compton?  Or, I'd have to run another command
 to stop compton??? quit compton ???  compton stop what u r doing??

 Just wondering because when I was messing around in Openbox I right
 clicked on the drop down menu for window managers and I then picked
 the other option than where it was by default, which was something
 like WFwm??? and when I did that . . . no more right click drop down
 menu, couldn't do anything???  I think I had to shut down, and then on
 reboot, checking back in OB and the original wm was back to what it
 was?? OBwm???--neither one seemed to have compositing on the dock
 window. 

 In other words, on the XFCE side, window compositing is working fine
 as far as getting rid of the cairo dock shadow . . . so would
 hanging with Compton be messing with other window managing
 municipalities like the busy rat from XFCE trying to go about their
 business?  Or, that wouldn't matter, once the compton -b command is
 run, it's going no matter which DE session its in or even if
 restarted, but the OGs from Compton would help out with the XFCE
 compositing functions (for a small cut of the profits, etc). 

 Or, I would have to run compton disown each time I log into an LXDE
 session?

 Thanks again,

 F
Hi again Fritz,
When you log out of XFCE it should kill all running processes except for
things like NetworkManager.
If you want to kill a process like compton
pkill compton

if it is a root process you need
sudo pkill /process/

If you want to stop a service like network manager or lightdm
sudo stop network-manager

So, if you get in a bind in your window manager drop to a TTY
Ctrl+Alt+F2
log in
sudo stop lightdm
sudo start lightdm

or...
sudo restart lightdm

this will bring you back to the lightdm login screen (or log you into
your default session if you auto log in)

In other words the OGs from compton stay in their hood while the OGs
from XFCE stay in theirs... and things can get messed up if you try to
bring compton to XFCE.

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Re: Another question-- Window compositing in Lubuntu 14.04

[Fritz Hudnut]

 Hi Fritz!
 you can run a command from a terminal and then add *disown* after the
 command to disown it from the terminal.  Then if you close the terminal
 the program will still be running.  If you don't disown the program from
 that terminal it will close when the terminal closes.

 feel free to test it with something simple, like leafpad to make it
 clear the window closes when you close the terminal, or not (if you add
 disown).

 compton -b   makes it do the same thing as disowning it (basically)...
 it runs compton in the *b*ackground

 I'd highly suggest using compton over xcompmgr, since it is in active
 development and has fixed some of the bugs in xcompmgr.



 @Israel, et al:

Another technical question came to mind on this compton disown . . .
besides wondering if there is a sudo in front of any of these commands.
And that is, since I am running XFCE, which has its own compositing
manager, and then possibly LXDE, which does not . . . if I run this
compton command while in LXDE, will that end if I log out of the session
and then log back into XFCE?  Or would I need to do a restart to bust
out'a Compton?  Or, I'd have to run another command to stop compton???
quit compton ???  compton stop what u r doing??

Just wondering because when I was messing around in Openbox I right clicked
on the drop down menu for window managers and I then picked the other
option than where it was by default, which was something like WFwm??? and
when I did that . . . no more right click drop down menu, couldn't do
anything???  I think I had to shut down, and then on reboot, checking back
in OB and the original wm was back to what it was?? OBwm???--neither one
seemed to have compositing on the dock window.

In other words, on the XFCE side, window compositing is working fine as far
as getting rid of the cairo dock shadow . . . so would hanging with
Compton be messing with other window managing municipalities like the
busy rat from XFCE trying to go about their business?  Or, that wouldn't
matter, once the compton -b command is run, it's going no matter which DE
session its in or even if restarted, but the OGs from Compton would help
out with the XFCE compositing functions (for a small cut of the profits,
etc).

Or, I would have to run compton disown each time I log into an LXDE
session?

Thanks again,

F
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Window compositing in Lubuntu 14.04

[Fritz Hudnut]

@Israel:

Thanks for the details, much more clear and even looks do-able for the GUI
driver . . . .

F
On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 5:00 AM, lubuntu-users-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com
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 Subject: Re: Window compositing in Lubuntu 14.04
 Message-ID: 55a13f53.20...@gmail.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252

 Hi Fritz!
 sorry for not being more explanatory there.

 you can run a command from a terminal and then add *disown* after the
 command to disown it from the terminal.  Then if you close the terminal
 the program will still be running.  If you don't disown the program from
 that terminal it will close when the terminal closes.

 feel free to test it with something simple, like leafpad to make it
 clear the window closes when you close the terminal, or not (if you add
 disown).

 compton -b   makes it do the same thing as disowning it (basically)...
 it runs compton in the *b*ackground

 I'd highly suggest using compton over xcompmgr, since it is in active
 development and has fixed some of the bugs in xcompmgr.

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Re: Window compositing in Lubuntu 14.04

[Israel]

Hi Fritz!
sorry for not being more explanatory there.

you can run a command from a terminal and then add *disown* after the
command to disown it from the terminal.  Then if you close the terminal
the program will still be running.  If you don't disown the program from
that terminal it will close when the terminal closes.

feel free to test it with something simple, like leafpad to make it
clear the window closes when you close the terminal, or not (if you add
disown).

compton -b   makes it do the same thing as disowning it (basically)...
it runs compton in the *b*ackground

I'd highly suggest using compton over xcompmgr, since it is in active
development and has fixed some of the bugs in xcompmgr.

On 07/11/2015 09:48 AM, Fritz Hudnut wrote:
 @Israel:

 Straight back atcha from ten or so miles outside Compton . . . thanks
 for the pointers.
 Technically speaking would that be compton disown OR compton 
 disown??  AND/OR compton -b  ??? as a separate but similar command
 to do the same thing as compton disown    Or compton disown
 (or compton -b)  is the full command???

 I know I could check these options out, but, idle minds, and I've
 stashed the iBook away and I'm back to my Sawtooth PM for awhile . . .
 which is back to OSX  Xu 12.04.

 F
 On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 5:00 AM,
 lubuntu-users-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com
 mailto:lubuntu-users-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com wrote:

 From: Israel israeld...@gmail.com mailto:israeld...@gmail.com
 To: lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com
 mailto:lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com
 Subject: Re: Window compositing in Lubuntu 14.04



 Straight out of Compton...
 the official wiki is here:
 https://github.com/chjj/compton/wiki

 But to test it, just open the terminal and type

 compton disown (or compton -b )
 This gives you the nice default setup

 As usual, Arch has a brilliant resource for configuring things..
 https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Compton

 You can run the effects you want as a command OR edit a text file.
 check the arch wiki for more info when you want to roll through
 compton.

 The text file to save will be ~/.config/compton.conf


 Of course you can also read the manual page:
 man compton







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Window compositing in Lubuntu 14.04

[Fritz Hudnut]

@Israel:

Straight back atcha from ten or so miles outside Compton . . . thanks for
the pointers.
Technically speaking would that be compton disown OR compton 
disown??  AND/OR compton -b  ??? as a separate but similar command to do
the same thing as compton disown    Or compton disown (or compton
-b)  is the full command???

I know I could check these options out, but, idle minds, and I've stashed
the iBook away and I'm back to my Sawtooth PM for awhile . . . which is
back to OSX  Xu 12.04.

F
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wrote:

 From: Israel israeld...@gmail.com
 To: lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com
 Subject: Re: Window compositing in Lubuntu 14.04



 Straight out of Compton...
 the official wiki is here:
 https://github.com/chjj/compton/wiki

 But to test it, just open the terminal and type

 compton disown (or compton -b )
 This gives you the nice default setup

 As usual, Arch has a brilliant resource for configuring things..
 https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Compton

 You can run the effects you want as a command OR edit a text file.
 check the arch wiki for more info when you want to roll through compton.

 The text file to save will be ~/.config/compton.conf


 Of course you can also read the manual page:
 man compton

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Re: Window compositing in Lubuntu 14.04

[Israel]

Straight out of Compton...
the official wiki is here:
https://github.com/chjj/compton/wiki

But to test it, just open the terminal and type

compton disown (or compton -b )
This gives you the nice default setup

As usual, Arch has a brilliant resource for configuring things..
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Compton

You can run the effects you want as a command OR edit a text file.
check the arch wiki for more info when you want to roll through compton.

The text file to save will be ~/.config/compton.conf


Of course you can also read the manual page:
man compton

On 07/09/2015 04:23 PM, Herminio Hernandez, Jr. wrote:
 XFCE compositing works out of the box. Once they get Ubuntu-MATE 15.10
 working then you will have more options.

 On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 3:58 PM, Fritz Hudnut este.el@gmail.com
 mailto:este.el@gmail.com wrote:


 On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 12:20 PM,
 lubuntu-users-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com
 mailto:lubuntu-users-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com wrote:

 I think that actually compton isn't really CLI based but a
 grapical application that is configured with a configuration
 file. I think I remember seeing one or two differnt GUI
 utilities for compton but I don't think they made it into the
 repos and with ppas not being build for powerpc I am not sure
 if there are builds for them. Sometimes compiling a GUI from
 source is harder than just editing the config files.  I seem
 to remember one a while back called paranoid that came with
 pclinuxos but have not really seen that elsewhere or widely
 discussed.

 I think I know quite a bit for someone who doesn't really like
 compositing or desktop effects.


 BP:

 Thanks for the added info . . . I ran some of these items thru
 synaptic and compton did show up as available, but showed it as a
 file when I went for the screenshot . . . .  I added compiz, but
 that doesn't seem to have provided me with a GUI route . . . .  I
 want easy, seems like XFCE provides the simple solution to the
 issue of the blue shadow around the cairo dock feature . . . .

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Re: Window compositing in Lubuntu 14.04

[Herminio Hernandez, Jr.]

XFCE compositing works out of the box. Once they get Ubuntu-MATE 15.10
working then you will have more options.

On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 3:58 PM, Fritz Hudnut este.el@gmail.com wrote:


 On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 12:20 PM, lubuntu-users-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com
 wrote:

 I think that actually compton isn't really CLI based but a grapical
 application that is configured with a configuration file. I think I
 remember seeing one or two differnt GUI utilities for compton but I don't
 think they made it into the repos and with ppas not being build for powerpc
 I am not sure if there are builds for them. Sometimes compiling a GUI from
 source is harder than just editing the config files.  I seem to remember
 one a while back called paranoid that came with pclinuxos but have not
 really seen that elsewhere or widely discussed.

 I think I know quite a bit for someone who doesn't really like
 compositing or desktop effects.


 BP:

 Thanks for the added info . . . I ran some of these items thru synaptic
 and compton did show up as available, but showed it as a file when I went
 for the screenshot . . . .  I added compiz, but that doesn't seem to have
 provided me with a GUI route . . . .  I want easy, seems like XFCE provides
 the simple solution to the issue of the blue shadow around the cairo dock
 feature . . . .

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Window compositing in Lubuntu 14.04

[Fritz Hudnut]

On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 12:20 PM, lubuntu-users-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com
wrote:

 I think that actually compton isn't really CLI based but a grapical
 application that is configured with a configuration file. I think I
 remember seeing one or two differnt GUI utilities for compton but I don't
 think they made it into the repos and with ppas not being build for powerpc
 I am not sure if there are builds for them. Sometimes compiling a GUI from
 source is harder than just editing the config files.  I seem to remember
 one a while back called paranoid that came with pclinuxos but have not
 really seen that elsewhere or widely discussed.

 I think I know quite a bit for someone who doesn't really like compositing
 or desktop effects.


BP:

Thanks for the added info . . . I ran some of these items thru synaptic and
compton did show up as available, but showed it as a file when I went for
the screenshot . . . .  I added compiz, but that doesn't seem to have
provided me with a GUI route . . . .  I want easy, seems like XFCE provides
the simple solution to the issue of the blue shadow around the cairo dock
feature . . . .

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Re: No provision for printing pictures under Lubuntu 14.04?

[Walter Lapchynski]

please file a bug against mtpaint (ubuntu-bug mtpaint). it should not
require something that doesn't exist. XD subscribe lubuntu packages
team to the bug report and we'll get it fixed, at least to using lpr.
then at least it will work right out of the box, even if it's not the
best thing.1

On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 9:54 AM, John Hupp lubu...@prpcompany.com wrote:
 I can't find much information, but I think that the original Print command,
 kprinter, was part of the kdeprinter package, which is not installed and not
 in the repos.

 Despite what I first reported, lpr will work.  The computer I was on when
 visiting, a Dell Dimension 4300, may have an issue with hot-plugging the USB
 printer/scanner.  (For instance, though I didn't get to test it properly, it
 seemed that scanning would only work when the scanner was powered on during
 boot.)

 However, I'll make the case that commonly expected behavior is for a Print
 dialog to appear, which of course doesn't happen with lpr.  Granted, there
 is a counter-argument for maximum lightness.

 And now that I'm back on my usual current Lubuntu desktop, I notice that the
 context menu for a picture file also includes Shotwell Viewer, and choosing
 this opens the file in a lighter variant of the Shotwell interface.  The
 Shotwell Viewer interface includes File: Print, which opens a customary
 Print dialog.

 As I noted in my original post, I installed Shotwell after realizing that
 there was no default photo management app, and Shotwell seemed to be the
 commonest recommendation, though Andre Rodovalho posted in this thread that
 he is using a non-repo version of Fotoxx.  He says there is an older version
 in the repos.

 I realize I'm saying that in a couple ways, default Lubuntu is a little too
 light for my taste (no photo manager, image viewer doesn't print).  But
 MtPaint printing should be fixed somehow in any case.

 On 4/6/2015 10:04 AM, John Hupp wrote:

 The default print command is kprinter.

 Following the Puppy Linux article, I installed gtklp and then substituted
 that for kprinter.

 Using lpr instead of gtklp for the print command does not work.  At least to
 the casual observer, it yields the same no-response as kprinter.

 On 4/5/2015 10:23 PM, Walter Lapchynski wrote:

 Seems like it's not a bug, per se. Intended function upstream, it seems.
 What is the default print command? Does `lpr` work? I often use this on the
 command line to print PDFs, so it seems plausible. This may be something we
 can fix in the default settings of MtPaint, if we explore all of the
 possible options and hopefully find the one that uses the least amount of
 resources. Since `lpr` is included in the standard system, this would seem
 to make the most sense.

 On Apr 5, 2015 5:15 PM, John Hupp lubu...@prpcompany.com wrote:

 Visiting family this weekend and looking at a couple problems, I
 discovered that under the default installation of Lubuntu 14.04 there seems
 to be no provision for printing pictures.

 The image viewer has no Print option.  And when I instead opened a picture
 in mtPaint and then tried File: Action: Print Image, nothing happened.

 I got mtPaint's File: Action: Print Image functionality working by
 following the 'How to Print' section of this Puppy Linux article:
 http://puppylinux.org/wikka/UsingMtPaint

 I also found that I could print using Firefox, but I would have expected
 to be able to print a pic via the image viewer or the paint program.

 It seems like more than a trivial omission to have no default picture
 printing provision.

 [I had a similar realization recently regarding photo management.  I
 installed Shotwell to add that capability, but it seemed like there should
 have been a native provision.]

 How do you handle these things?

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Re: No provision for printing pictures under Lubuntu 14.04?

[John Hupp]

I can't find much information, but I think that the original Print 
command, kprinter, was part of the kdeprinter package, which is not 
installed and not in the repos.


Despite what I first reported, lpr will work.  The computer I was on 
when visiting, a Dell Dimension 4300, may have an issue with 
hot-plugging the USB printer/scanner.  (For instance, though I didn't 
get to test it properly, it seemed that scanning would only work when 
the scanner was powered on during boot.)


However, I'll make the case that commonly expected behavior is for a 
Print dialog to appear, which of course doesn't happen with lpr.  
Granted, there is a counter-argument for maximum lightness.


And now that I'm back on my usual current Lubuntu desktop, I notice that 
the context menu for a picture file also includes Shotwell Viewer, and 
choosing this opens the file in a lighter variant of the Shotwell 
interface.  The Shotwell Viewer interface includes File: Print, which 
opens a customary Print dialog.


As I noted in my original post, I installed Shotwell after realizing 
that there was no default photo management app, and Shotwell seemed to 
be the commonest recommendation, though Andre Rodovalho posted in this 
thread that he is using a non-repo version of Fotoxx.  He says there is 
an older version in the repos.


I realize I'm saying that in a couple ways, default Lubuntu is a little 
too light for my taste (no photo manager, image viewer doesn't print).  
But MtPaint printing should be fixed somehow in any case.


On 4/6/2015 10:04 AM, John Hupp wrote:

The default print command is kprinter.

Following the Puppy Linux article, I installed gtklp and then 
substituted that for kprinter.


Using lpr instead of gtklp for the print command does not work. At 
least to the casual observer, it yields the same no-response as kprinter.


On 4/5/2015 10:23 PM, Walter Lapchynski wrote:


Seems like it's not a bug, per se. Intended function upstream, it 
seems. What is the default print command? Does `lpr` work? I often 
use this on the command line to print PDFs, so it seems plausible. 
This may be something we can fix in the default settings of MtPaint, 
if we explore all of the possible options and hopefully find the one 
that uses the least amount of resources. Since `lpr` is included in 
the standard system, this would seem to make the most sense.


On Apr 5, 2015 5:15 PM, John Hupp lubu...@prpcompany.com 
mailto:lubu...@prpcompany.com wrote:


Visiting family this weekend and looking at a couple problems, I
discovered that under the default installation of Lubuntu 14.04
there seems to be no provision for printing pictures.

The image viewer has no Print option.  And when I instead opened
a picture in mtPaint and then tried File: Action: Print Image,
nothing happened.

I got mtPaint's File: Action: Print Image functionality working
by following the 'How to Print' section of this Puppy Linux
article: http://puppylinux.org/wikka/UsingMtPaint

I also found that I could print using Firefox, but I would have
expected to be able to print a pic via the image viewer or the
paint program.

It seems like more than a trivial omission to have no default
picture printing provision.

[I had a similar realization recently regarding photo
management.  I installed Shotwell to add that capability, but it
seemed like there should have been a native provision.]

How do you handle these things?

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Re: No provision for printing pictures under Lubuntu 14.04? [Bug filed]

[John Hupp]

Done: at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mtpaint/+bug/1441355 
with the Lubuntu Packages Team subscribed.


On 4/7/2015 12:59 PM, Walter Lapchynski wrote:

please file a bug against mtpaint (ubuntu-bug mtpaint). it should not
require something that doesn't exist. XD subscribe lubuntu packages
team to the bug report and we'll get it fixed, at least to using lpr.
then at least it will work right out of the box, even if it's not the
best thing.1

On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 9:54 AM, John Hupp lubu...@prpcompany.com wrote:

I can't find much information, but I think that the original Print command,
kprinter, was part of the kdeprinter package, which is not installed and not
in the repos.

Despite what I first reported, lpr will work.  The computer I was on when
visiting, a Dell Dimension 4300, may have an issue with hot-plugging the USB
printer/scanner.  (For instance, though I didn't get to test it properly, it
seemed that scanning would only work when the scanner was powered on during
boot.)

However, I'll make the case that commonly expected behavior is for a Print
dialog to appear, which of course doesn't happen with lpr.  Granted, there
is a counter-argument for maximum lightness.

And now that I'm back on my usual current Lubuntu desktop, I notice that the
context menu for a picture file also includes Shotwell Viewer, and choosing
this opens the file in a lighter variant of the Shotwell interface.  The
Shotwell Viewer interface includes File: Print, which opens a customary
Print dialog.

As I noted in my original post, I installed Shotwell after realizing that
there was no default photo management app, and Shotwell seemed to be the
commonest recommendation, though Andre Rodovalho posted in this thread that
he is using a non-repo version of Fotoxx.  He says there is an older version
in the repos.

I realize I'm saying that in a couple ways, default Lubuntu is a little too
light for my taste (no photo manager, image viewer doesn't print).  But
MtPaint printing should be fixed somehow in any case.

On 4/6/2015 10:04 AM, John Hupp wrote:

The default print command is kprinter.

Following the Puppy Linux article, I installed gtklp and then substituted
that for kprinter.

Using lpr instead of gtklp for the print command does not work.  At least to
the casual observer, it yields the same no-response as kprinter.

On 4/5/2015 10:23 PM, Walter Lapchynski wrote:

Seems like it's not a bug, per se. Intended function upstream, it seems.
What is the default print command? Does `lpr` work? I often use this on the
command line to print PDFs, so it seems plausible. This may be something we
can fix in the default settings of MtPaint, if we explore all of the
possible options and hopefully find the one that uses the least amount of
resources. Since `lpr` is included in the standard system, this would seem
to make the most sense.

On Apr 5, 2015 5:15 PM, John Hupp lubu...@prpcompany.com wrote:

Visiting family this weekend and looking at a couple problems, I
discovered that under the default installation of Lubuntu 14.04 there seems
to be no provision for printing pictures.

The image viewer has no Print option.  And when I instead opened a picture
in mtPaint and then tried File: Action: Print Image, nothing happened.

I got mtPaint's File: Action: Print Image functionality working by
following the 'How to Print' section of this Puppy Linux article:
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/UsingMtPaint

I also found that I could print using Firefox, but I would have expected
to be able to print a pic via the image viewer or the paint program.

It seems like more than a trivial omission to have no default picture
printing provision.

[I had a similar realization recently regarding photo management.  I
installed Shotwell to add that capability, but it seemed like there should
have been a native provision.]

How do you handle these things?




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Re: No provision for printing pictures under Lubuntu 14.04? [Bug filed]

[Walter Lapchynski]

Thanks. We'll get on this right away. Meanwhile, if everyone that
recognizes this bug can confirm it (click the thing at the top that
reads This bug affects 1 person. Does this bug affect you?), that
would be awesome. Lastly, if someone can double check this affects
vivid as well, that would be excellent.

Thanks again!

On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 2:17 PM, John Hupp lubu...@prpcompany.com wrote:
 Done: at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mtpaint/+bug/1441355 with
 the Lubuntu Packages Team subscribed.

 On 4/7/2015 12:59 PM, Walter Lapchynski wrote:

 please file a bug against mtpaint (ubuntu-bug mtpaint). it should not
 require something that doesn't exist. XD subscribe lubuntu packages
 team to the bug report and we'll get it fixed, at least to using lpr.
 then at least it will work right out of the box, even if it's not the
 best thing.1

 On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 9:54 AM, John Hupp lubu...@prpcompany.com wrote:

 I can't find much information, but I think that the original Print
 command,
 kprinter, was part of the kdeprinter package, which is not installed and
 not
 in the repos.

 Despite what I first reported, lpr will work.  The computer I was on when
 visiting, a Dell Dimension 4300, may have an issue with hot-plugging the
 USB
 printer/scanner.  (For instance, though I didn't get to test it properly,
 it
 seemed that scanning would only work when the scanner was powered on
 during
 boot.)

 However, I'll make the case that commonly expected behavior is for a
 Print
 dialog to appear, which of course doesn't happen with lpr.  Granted,
 there
 is a counter-argument for maximum lightness.

 And now that I'm back on my usual current Lubuntu desktop, I notice that
 the
 context menu for a picture file also includes Shotwell Viewer, and
 choosing
 this opens the file in a lighter variant of the Shotwell interface.  The
 Shotwell Viewer interface includes File: Print, which opens a customary
 Print dialog.

 As I noted in my original post, I installed Shotwell after realizing that
 there was no default photo management app, and Shotwell seemed to be the
 commonest recommendation, though Andre Rodovalho posted in this thread
 that
 he is using a non-repo version of Fotoxx.  He says there is an older
 version
 in the repos.

 I realize I'm saying that in a couple ways, default Lubuntu is a little
 too
 light for my taste (no photo manager, image viewer doesn't print).  But
 MtPaint printing should be fixed somehow in any case.

 On 4/6/2015 10:04 AM, John Hupp wrote:

 The default print command is kprinter.

 Following the Puppy Linux article, I installed gtklp and then substituted
 that for kprinter.

 Using lpr instead of gtklp for the print command does not work.  At least
 to
 the casual observer, it yields the same no-response as kprinter.

 On 4/5/2015 10:23 PM, Walter Lapchynski wrote:

 Seems like it's not a bug, per se. Intended function upstream, it seems.
 What is the default print command? Does `lpr` work? I often use this on
 the
 command line to print PDFs, so it seems plausible. This may be something
 we
 can fix in the default settings of MtPaint, if we explore all of the
 possible options and hopefully find the one that uses the least amount of
 resources. Since `lpr` is included in the standard system, this would
 seem
 to make the most sense.

 On Apr 5, 2015 5:15 PM, John Hupp lubu...@prpcompany.com wrote:

 Visiting family this weekend and looking at a couple problems, I
 discovered that under the default installation of Lubuntu 14.04 there
 seems
 to be no provision for printing pictures.

 The image viewer has no Print option.  And when I instead opened a
 picture
 in mtPaint and then tried File: Action: Print Image, nothing happened.

 I got mtPaint's File: Action: Print Image functionality working by
 following the 'How to Print' section of this Puppy Linux article:
 http://puppylinux.org/wikka/UsingMtPaint

 I also found that I could print using Firefox, but I would have expected
 to be able to print a pic via the image viewer or the paint program.

 It seems like more than a trivial omission to have no default picture
 printing provision.

 [I had a similar realization recently regarding photo management.  I
 installed Shotwell to add that capability, but it seemed like there
 should
 have been a native provision.]

 How do you handle these things?





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Re: No provision for printing pictures under Lubuntu 14.04?

[Andre Campos Rodovalho]

Yes, I use fotoxx for both. There is a outdated version on repositories...
The new version is available at: http://www.kornelix.com/fotoxx.html



2015-04-06 11:47 GMT-03:00 John Hupp lubu...@prpcompany.com:

  In 14.04 you use fotoxx for both photo management and picture printing?
 But it is not in the repos, right?


 On 4/6/2015 9:52 AM, Andre Campos Rodovalho wrote:

 With LxQt I hope we have kolourpaint as default. So we will be able to
 print images easily. Maybe the default image viewer will do that too.
 In 14.04 I use fotoxx to do it.


 2015-04-05 23:23 GMT-03:00 Walter Lapchynski w...@ubuntu.com:

 Seems like it's not a bug, per se. Intended function upstream, it seems.
 What is the default print command? Does `lpr` work? I often use this on the
 command line to print PDFs, so it seems plausible. This may be something we
 can fix in the default settings of MtPaint, if we explore all of the
 possible options and hopefully find the one that uses the least amount of
 resources. Since `lpr` is included in the standard system, this would seem
 to make the most sense.
  On Apr 5, 2015 5:15 PM, John Hupp lubu...@prpcompany.com wrote:

 Visiting family this weekend and looking at a couple problems, I
 discovered that under the default installation of Lubuntu 14.04 there seems
 to be no provision for printing pictures.

 The image viewer has no Print option.  And when I instead opened a
 picture in mtPaint and then tried File: Action: Print Image, nothing
 happened.

 I got mtPaint's File: Action: Print Image functionality working by
 following the 'How to Print' section of this Puppy Linux article:
 http://puppylinux.org/wikka/UsingMtPaint

 I also found that I could print using Firefox, but I would have expected
 to be able to print a pic via the image viewer or the paint program.

 It seems like more than a trivial omission to have no default picture
 printing provision.

 [I had a similar realization recently regarding photo management.  I
 installed Shotwell to add that capability, but it seemed like there should
 have been a native provision.]

 How do you handle these things?

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Re: No provision for printing pictures under Lubuntu 14.04?

[Walter Lapchynski]

The [blueprint for image viewers in LXQt][1] has no action on it at
all, so you might want to add your 2¤. And yes, I realize it's slated
for 1410. That's not actually the plan, obviously ☺

[1]: 
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/lubuntu-brainstorming/+spec/1410-qt-image-viewer

On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 6:52 AM, Andre Campos Rodovalho
andre.rodova...@gmail.com wrote:
 With LxQt I hope we have kolourpaint as default. So we will be able to print
 images easily. Maybe the default image viewer will do that too.
 In 14.04 I use fotoxx to do it.


 2015-04-05 23:23 GMT-03:00 Walter Lapchynski w...@ubuntu.com:

 Seems like it's not a bug, per se. Intended function upstream, it seems.
 What is the default print command? Does `lpr` work? I often use this on the
 command line to print PDFs, so it seems plausible. This may be something we
 can fix in the default settings of MtPaint, if we explore all of the
 possible options and hopefully find the one that uses the least amount of
 resources. Since `lpr` is included in the standard system, this would seem
 to make the most sense.

 On Apr 5, 2015 5:15 PM, John Hupp lubu...@prpcompany.com wrote:

 Visiting family this weekend and looking at a couple problems, I
 discovered that under the default installation of Lubuntu 14.04 there seems
 to be no provision for printing pictures.

 The image viewer has no Print option.  And when I instead opened a
 picture in mtPaint and then tried File: Action: Print Image, nothing
 happened.

 I got mtPaint's File: Action: Print Image functionality working by
 following the 'How to Print' section of this Puppy Linux article:
 http://puppylinux.org/wikka/UsingMtPaint

 I also found that I could print using Firefox, but I would have expected
 to be able to print a pic via the image viewer or the paint program.

 It seems like more than a trivial omission to have no default picture
 printing provision.

 [I had a similar realization recently regarding photo management.  I
 installed Shotwell to add that capability, but it seemed like there should
 have been a native provision.]

 How do you handle these things?

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Re: No provision for printing pictures under Lubuntu 14.04?

[Walter Lapchynski]

Is more feedback provided if you run mtPaint on the command line?
Might want to head to localhost:631 and make sure your printer is
properly set up as the default, too.

On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 7:04 AM, John Hupp lubu...@prpcompany.com wrote:
 The default print command is kprinter.

 Following the Puppy Linux article, I installed gtklp and then substituted
 that for kprinter.

 Using lpr instead of gtklp for the print command does not work.  At least to
 the casual observer, it yields the same no-response as kprinter.

 On 4/5/2015 10:23 PM, Walter Lapchynski wrote:

 Seems like it's not a bug, per se. Intended function upstream, it seems.
 What is the default print command? Does `lpr` work? I often use this on the
 command line to print PDFs, so it seems plausible. This may be something we
 can fix in the default settings of MtPaint, if we explore all of the
 possible options and hopefully find the one that uses the least amount of
 resources. Since `lpr` is included in the standard system, this would seem
 to make the most sense.

 On Apr 5, 2015 5:15 PM, John Hupp lubu...@prpcompany.com wrote:

 Visiting family this weekend and looking at a couple problems, I
 discovered that under the default installation of Lubuntu 14.04 there seems
 to be no provision for printing pictures.

 The image viewer has no Print option.  And when I instead opened a picture
 in mtPaint and then tried File: Action: Print Image, nothing happened.

 I got mtPaint's File: Action: Print Image functionality working by
 following the 'How to Print' section of this Puppy Linux article:
 http://puppylinux.org/wikka/UsingMtPaint

 I also found that I could print using Firefox, but I would have expected
 to be able to print a pic via the image viewer or the paint program.

 It seems like more than a trivial omission to have no default picture
 printing provision.

 [I had a similar realization recently regarding photo management.  I
 installed Shotwell to add that capability, but it seemed like there should
 have been a native provision.]

 How do you handle these things?

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Re: No provision for printing pictures under Lubuntu 14.04?

[Andre Campos Rodovalho]

With LxQt I hope we have kolourpaint as default. So we will be able to
print images easily. Maybe the default image viewer will do that too.
In 14.04 I use fotoxx to do it.


2015-04-05 23:23 GMT-03:00 Walter Lapchynski w...@ubuntu.com:

 Seems like it's not a bug, per se. Intended function upstream, it seems.
 What is the default print command? Does `lpr` work? I often use this on the
 command line to print PDFs, so it seems plausible. This may be something we
 can fix in the default settings of MtPaint, if we explore all of the
 possible options and hopefully find the one that uses the least amount of
 resources. Since `lpr` is included in the standard system, this would seem
 to make the most sense.
 On Apr 5, 2015 5:15 PM, John Hupp lubu...@prpcompany.com wrote:

 Visiting family this weekend and looking at a couple problems, I
 discovered that under the default installation of Lubuntu 14.04 there seems
 to be no provision for printing pictures.

 The image viewer has no Print option.  And when I instead opened a
 picture in mtPaint and then tried File: Action: Print Image, nothing
 happened.

 I got mtPaint's File: Action: Print Image functionality working by
 following the 'How to Print' section of this Puppy Linux article:
 http://puppylinux.org/wikka/UsingMtPaint

 I also found that I could print using Firefox, but I would have expected
 to be able to print a pic via the image viewer or the paint program.

 It seems like more than a trivial omission to have no default picture
 printing provision.

 [I had a similar realization recently regarding photo management.  I
 installed Shotwell to add that capability, but it seemed like there should
 have been a native provision.]

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Re: No provision for printing pictures under Lubuntu 14.04?

[John Hupp]

In 14.04 you use fotoxx for both photo management and picture printing?  
But it is not in the repos, right?


On 4/6/2015 9:52 AM, Andre Campos Rodovalho wrote:
With LxQt I hope we have kolourpaint as default. So we will be able to 
print images easily. Maybe the default image viewer will do that too.

In 14.04 I use fotoxx to do it.


2015-04-05 23:23 GMT-03:00 Walter Lapchynski w...@ubuntu.com 
mailto:w...@ubuntu.com:


Seems like it's not a bug, per se. Intended function upstream, it
seems. What is the default print command? Does `lpr` work? I often
use this on the command line to print PDFs, so it seems plausible.
This may be something we can fix in the default settings of
MtPaint, if we explore all of the possible options and hopefully
find the one that uses the least amount of resources. Since `lpr`
is included in the standard system, this would seem to make the
most sense.

On Apr 5, 2015 5:15 PM, John Hupp lubu...@prpcompany.com
mailto:lubu...@prpcompany.com wrote:

Visiting family this weekend and looking at a couple problems,
I discovered that under the default installation of Lubuntu
14.04 there seems to be no provision for printing pictures.

The image viewer has no Print option.  And when I instead
opened a picture in mtPaint and then tried File: Action: Print
Image, nothing happened.

I got mtPaint's File: Action: Print Image functionality
working by following the 'How to Print' section of this Puppy
Linux article: http://puppylinux.org/wikka/UsingMtPaint

I also found that I could print using Firefox, but I would
have expected to be able to print a pic via the image viewer
or the paint program.

It seems like more than a trivial omission to have no default
picture printing provision.

[I had a similar realization recently regarding photo
management.  I installed Shotwell to add that capability, but
it seemed like there should have been a native provision.]

How do you handle these things?

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No provision for printing pictures under Lubuntu 14.04?

[John Hupp]

Visiting family this weekend and looking at a couple problems, I 
discovered that under the default installation of Lubuntu 14.04 there 
seems to be no provision for printing pictures.


The image viewer has no Print option.  And when I instead opened a 
picture in mtPaint and then tried File: Action: Print Image, nothing 
happened.


I got mtPaint's File: Action: Print Image functionality working by 
following the 'How to Print' section of this Puppy Linux article: 
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/UsingMtPaint


I also found that I could print using Firefox, but I would have expected 
to be able to print a pic via the image viewer or the paint program.


It seems like more than a trivial omission to have no default picture 
printing provision.


[I had a similar realization recently regarding photo management.  I 
installed Shotwell to add that capability, but it seemed like there 
should have been a native provision.]


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Re: can't boot from live usb lubuntu 14.04 LTS

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 09:03:25 -0600
From: Linda haniganw...@earthlink.net
To: lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: can't boot from live usb lubuntu 14.04 LTS
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This was the original post

 On 1/21/2015 1:25 PM, Nio Wiklund wrote:

 Den 2015-01-21 19:16, Linda skrev:

 I am trying to boot an old HP
 Pavillion a1230 n with an AMD
 Alhlon 64
 processor and 2 GB RAM from a
 live usb with a view to
 intstalling
 lubuntu on the machine
 When I boot it hangs on the
 splash screen. I tried booting
 with quiet
 splash removed and I have a
 infinite loop of the following
 error message

 ata1.00 status: {DRDY}
 ata1.00 hard resetting link
  configured for
 UDMA/33
  Device reported
 invalid CHS sector 0
  EH complete
  lost interrupt
  exception Emask
 0x0 SAct 0x0 action 0x6 frozen
  failed command
 READ DMA

 There were a few other lines
 but these seems to give the
 gist of what is
 going on.  Any ideas on how I
 can get this to work.
 Thanks
  Linda

 Hi Linda,


I doubled checked the usb and the check5sums I also tried
booting from a Ubuntu 10 DVD and an Ubuntu 6.06 CD The CD
gave you the install or try menu and simply returned to the
menu.  Then I downloaded Knoppix to a DVD, a CD and a usb
flash drive. Although the bios gives you the choice to boot
from the cd/dvd drive it only seems to actually boot from a
cd in the drive. It also gives you the choice to boot from
a  usb flash drive but it also does not seem to actually
work. Good news is that the newest version of knoppix that
will fit on a cd will boot and run as a live install. So
since the computer has a working Windows XP install I'm
thinking my next step is to try UNetbootin and install from
the hard drive. Should I try for lubuntu with this or should
I switch to a different distribution for the first attempt
since I have had no luck with even old versions of unbuntu
working from a live CD?
   Thanks
Linda

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1. Download Lubuntu [http://lubuntu.net/]
2. Download UNetbootin [http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/] and allow 
executing as a program

3. Insert a 4 GB or larger USB flash drive
4. Format (or re-format) the USB flash drive as FAT / FAT32.
5. Double-click UNetbootin and enter your password.
6. Select the Diskimage radio button and click the [ ... ] button.
7. Navigate to and choose the lubuntu iso you downloaded
UNetbootin will extract the iso (generate a syslinux config file) and 
make the USB flash drive bootable on any computer that supports booting 
from USB.
8. When duplication is complete; choose Exit instead of Reboot Now 
unless you are planning to install Lubuntu on the same computer
9. Safely remove the USB flash drive (again, unless you will be 
installing on the same computer) and wait 2-3 seconds before physically 
removing it.
Mac OS X

Re: can't boot from live usb lubuntu 14.04 LTS (Solved hp Pavillion a1230n)

[Israel]

Hi,

 


 After fighting with this all week I found a bios update
 http://www.driversguru.com/driverdetail/2154857-A8AE-LE+Motherboard+BIOS+Update
 after I installed the update the computer would boot from the 14.04
 Live CD and it installed without a problem. It also will now boot from
 the live USB.  Hopefully this will help if anyone else is trying to
 put their old xp computer to better use.
 Linda


This is something I always do when I get a 'new' computer.  And usually
they are so old the update available is the last ever :)  I always boot
into Windows download the update, and run it.
Then, I insert my GNU disk (that is a pun btw) and replace Windows.  The
hardest part is booting into Windows... it always takes so long to do
anything, but that is usually because they are so full of viruses that
the person was convinced it was broken, or too slow.

This is a good point to remember.  We should encourage Windows users to
update their BIOS before installing.  It was an issue I learned the hard
way about 4 years ago when I had a laptop that I had to install XP on
after a newer kernel decided to stop ignoring my broken BIOS. :)

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Re: can't boot from live usb lubuntu 14.04 LTS (Solved hp Pavillion a1230n)

[Linda]

2015-01-22 12:42 GMT-02:00 John Hupp 
lubu...@prpcompany.com mailto:lubu...@prpcompany.com:


On 1/22/2015 8:29 AM, Linda wrote:

On 01/21/2015 03:06 PM, John Hupp wrote:

On 1/21/2015 3:45 PM, Linda wrote:

On 01/21/2015 12:53 PM, John Hupp wrote:

On 1/21/2015 1:25 PM, Nio Wiklund wrote:

Den 2015-01-21 19:16, Linda skrev:

I am trying to boot an old HP
Pavillion a1230 n with an AMD
Alhlon 64
processor and 2 GB RAM from a
live usb with a view to
intstalling
lubuntu on the machine
When I boot it hangs on the
splash screen. I tried booting
with quiet
splash removed and I have a
infinite loop of the following
error message

ata1.00 status: {DRDY}
ata1.00 hard resetting link
 configured for
UDMA/33
 Device reported
invalid CHS sector 0
 EH complete
 lost interrupt
 exception Emask
0x0 SAct 0x0 action 0x6 frozen
 failed command
READ DMA

There were a few other lines
but these seems to give the
gist of what is
going on.  Any ideas on how I
can get this to work.
Thanks
 Linda


After fighting with this all week I found a bios update 
http://www.driversguru.com/driverdetail/2154857-A8AE-LE+Motherboard+BIOS+Update
after I installed the update the computer would boot from 
the 14.04 Live CD and it installed without a problem. It 
also will now boot from the live USB.  Hopefully this will 
help if anyone else is trying to put their old xp computer 
to better use.

Linda
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Re: can't boot from live usb lubuntu 14.04 LTS

[Linda]

This was the original post


On 1/21/2015 1:25 PM, Nio Wiklund wrote:

Den 2015-01-21 19:16, Linda skrev:

I am trying to boot an old HP
Pavillion a1230 n with an AMD
Alhlon 64
processor and 2 GB RAM from a
live usb with a view to
intstalling
lubuntu on the machine
When I boot it hangs on the
splash screen. I tried booting
with quiet
splash removed and I have a
infinite loop of the following
error message

ata1.00 status: {DRDY}
ata1.00 hard resetting link
 configured for
UDMA/33
 Device reported
invalid CHS sector 0
 EH complete
 lost interrupt
 exception Emask
0x0 SAct 0x0 action 0x6 frozen
 failed command
READ DMA

There were a few other lines
but these seems to give the
gist of what is
going on.  Any ideas on how I
can get this to work.
Thanks
 Linda

Hi Linda,

I doubled checked the usb and the check5sums I also tried 
booting from a Ubuntu 10 DVD and an Ubuntu 6.06 CD The CD 
gave you the install or try menu and simply returned to the 
menu.  Then I downloaded Knoppix to a DVD, a CD and a usb 
flash drive. Although the bios gives you the choice to boot 
from the cd/dvd drive it only seems to actually boot from a 
cd in the drive. It also gives you the choice to boot from 
a  usb flash drive but it also does not seem to actually 
work. Good news is that the newest version of knoppix that 
will fit on a cd will boot and run as a live install. So 
since the computer has a working Windows XP install I'm 
thinking my next step is to try UNetbootin and install from 
the hard drive. Should I try for lubuntu with this or should 
I switch to a different distribution for the first attempt 
since I have had no luck with even old versions of unbuntu 
working from a live CD?

 Thanks
  Linda


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Re: can't boot from live usb lubuntu 14.04 LTS

[Israel]

Hi,
(inline replies)
On 01/22/2015 09:13 AM, Andre Rodovalho wrote:
 did you try nomodeset?

 2015-01-22 12:42 GMT-02:00 John Hupp lubu...@prpcompany.com
 mailto:lubu...@prpcompany.com:

 


 ata1.00 status: {DRDY}
 ata1.00 hard resetting link
  configured for UDMA/33
  Device reported invalid CHS
 sector 0
  EH complete
  lost interrupt
  exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0
 action 0x6 frozen
  failed command READ DMA


I wonder if the USB stick is still good, or has some issues in the
partition table, or something else.
It might be a good idea to reformat the disk, and use a tool like mkusb
to install the live image and test that it works.
after that you could easily install the operating system to the USB in
another fashion.

 ...

 If that's the case, then I would repeat
 Nio's advice to find out if the live usb
 reliably boots some other computer.  If
 no, then his other advice also applies. 
 If yes, then it seems like there is a BIOS
 setting/problem on the old HP.


There might be an issue with the USB settings on the computer, if you
have grub installed already on the computer you can (in fact) boot the
USB from GRUB.
I can give more info if you need, but here is the basic premise
Hold SHIFT (or press ESC) to get the grub menu.
Type in C
this will put you in the grub command prompt.
Then

set root=(hd1,msdos1) 
*NOTE: hd1,msdos1 may be different on your computer... I suggest typeing
set root=(hd  and pressing the TAB key to list your devices*

linux /casper/vmlinuz boot=casper noprompt noeject
*NOTE: you can use TAB completion for the directories, and files as
well, but do not forget: boot=casper*

initrd /casper/initrd.lz

boot

This should boot it just fine.  I use it on computers that do not boot
USB, but load USB before booting (really old computers do not allow this)

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Re: can't boot from live usb lubuntu 14.04 LTS

[John Hupp]

On 1/22/2015 8:29 AM, Linda wrote:

On 01/21/2015 03:06 PM, John Hupp wrote:

On 1/21/2015 3:45 PM, Linda wrote:

On 01/21/2015 12:53 PM, John Hupp wrote:

On 1/21/2015 1:25 PM, Nio Wiklund wrote:

Den 2015-01-21 19:16, Linda skrev:
I am trying to boot an old HP Pavillion a1230 n with an AMD 
Alhlon 64

processor and 2 GB RAM from a live usb  with a view to intstalling
lubuntu on the machine
When I boot it hangs on the splash screen. I tried booting with 
quiet
splash removed and I have a infinite loop of the following error 
message


ata1.00 status: {DRDY}
ata1.00 hard resetting link
 configured for UDMA/33
 Device reported invalid CHS sector 0
 EH complete
 lost interrupt
 exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 action 0x6 frozen
 failed command READ DMA

There were a few other lines but these seems to give the gist of 
what is

going on.  Any ideas on how I can get this to work.
Thanks
 Linda


Hi Linda,

- Did you check with md5sum that the download was good?

- Please tell us which tool you used to make the USB boot drive.

- Did you try if another computer can boot from the USB boot drive?

Best regards
Nio



I'm grasping at straws a bit for the meaning of the errors, but I 
wonder if the live usb is tripping over a problem with the hard 
drive.  I would try temporarily disconnecting the hard drive or 
setting the hard drive to None in the BIOS setup.


You could also try booting any other bootable CD that you have, 
just for comparison.


When I boot from usb with hard drive connected i get the screen 
asking me what language and the menu asking if you want to try, 
memory test etc

When I disconnect the hard drive I get a blinking cursorer
Linda


What happens before the blinking cursor -- HP splash screen, Lubuntu 
startup messages of any sort, other .?



I get the HP Splash screen and boot menu that allows you to choose the 
usb drive and than a blinking cursor nothing else.

Linda


So with the hard drive disconnected the live usb's boot manager doesn't 
load successfully, but the boot manager does load successfully and 
reliably with the hard drive connected.


If that's the case, then I would repeat Nio's advice to find out if the 
live usb reliably boots some other computer.  If no, then his other 
advice also applies.  If yes, then it seems like there is a BIOS 
setting/problem on the old HP.



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Re: can't boot from live usb lubuntu 14.04 LTS

[Nio Wiklund]

Den 2015-01-21 19:16, Linda skrev:
 I am trying to boot an old HP Pavillion a1230 n with an AMD Alhlon 64
 processor and 2 GB RAM from a live usb  with a view to intstalling
 lubuntu on the machine
 When I boot it hangs on the splash screen. I tried booting with quiet
 splash removed and I have a infinite loop of the following error message
 
 ata1.00 status: {DRDY}
 ata1.00 hard resetting link
 configured for UDMA/33
 Device reported invalid CHS sector 0
 EH complete
 lost interrupt
 exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 action 0x6 frozen
 failed command READ DMA
 
 There were a few other lines but these seems to give the gist of what is
 going on.  Any ideas on how I can get this to work.
Thanks
 Linda
 

Hi Linda,

- Did you check with md5sum that the download was good?

- Please tell us which tool you used to make the USB boot drive.

- Did you try if another computer can boot from the USB boot drive?

Best regards
Nio

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Re: can't boot from live usb lubuntu 14.04 LTS

[John Hupp]

On 1/21/2015 3:45 PM, Linda wrote:

On 01/21/2015 12:53 PM, John Hupp wrote:

On 1/21/2015 1:25 PM, Nio Wiklund wrote:

Den 2015-01-21 19:16, Linda skrev:

I am trying to boot an old HP Pavillion a1230 n with an AMD Alhlon 64
processor and 2 GB RAM from a live usb  with a view to intstalling
lubuntu on the machine
When I boot it hangs on the splash screen. I tried booting with quiet
splash removed and I have a infinite loop of the following error 
message


ata1.00 status: {DRDY}
ata1.00 hard resetting link
 configured for UDMA/33
 Device reported invalid CHS sector 0
 EH complete
 lost interrupt
 exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 action 0x6 frozen
 failed command READ DMA

There were a few other lines but these seems to give the gist of 
what is

going on.  Any ideas on how I can get this to work.
Thanks
 Linda


Hi Linda,

- Did you check with md5sum that the download was good?

- Please tell us which tool you used to make the USB boot drive.

- Did you try if another computer can boot from the USB boot drive?

Best regards
Nio



I'm grasping at straws a bit for the meaning of the errors, but I 
wonder if the live usb is tripping over a problem with the hard 
drive.  I would try temporarily disconnecting the hard drive or 
setting the hard drive to None in the BIOS setup.


You could also try booting any other bootable CD that you have, just 
for comparison.


When I boot from usb with hard drive connected i get the screen asking 
me what language and the menu asking if you want to try, memory test etc

When I disconnect the hard drive I get a blinking cursorer
Linda


What happens before the blinking cursor -- HP splash screen, Lubuntu 
startup messages of any sort, other .?



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Blank screen after bootup Lubuntu 14.04

[Adrian Blake]

Using Lubuntu 14.04. After a software update/reboot yesterday could not
access my desktop. Can still access the GRUB menu. How can I get my desktop
back? I want to back up my files before anything else unexpected happens!
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Re: Blank screen after bootup Lubuntu 14.04

[Aere Greenway]

On 11/18/2014 08:55 AM, Adrian Blake wrote:
Using Lubuntu 14.04. After a software update/reboot yesterday could 
not access my desktop. Can still access the GRUB menu. How can I get 
my desktop back? I want to back up my files before anything else 
unexpected happens!

Adrian:

If the live-CD will run (or a live-CD of a prior level) will run on the 
machine, you can access the files on your hard-disk, and copy them 
somewhere to save them.  I have several times rescued files from a 
non-bootable system that way.


You could use gparted to even re-size a partition and create a partition 
from the freed-space, though re-sizing introduces an element of risk.


A high-capacity USB drive, or a USB external hard-disk would be a good 
place to copy things to.


You won't be able to use the CD/DVD drive to copy-to if you're using it 
for the live CD/DVD.  Of course, a live-USB system would make writing to 
CD/DVD an option.


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Security issues with Lubuntu 14.04

[Marco S.]

I noticed two security problem with 14.04:

1. NetworkManager settings can bemodified without root privileges. If
you edit some connections, you can apply the modifications without
entering the root password.
2. light-locker is run as normal user. It can be killed without
problems and its settings can be modified without root privilegies.
The same problems was present before of the introduction of
light-locker, but I never noticed it.

Can you confirm these problems? Do you know if the behaviour of Ubuntu
is the same?

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Re: Putting website shortcuts on the desktop in Lubuntu 14.04 LTS

[Ali Linx]

On 09/30/2014 11:10 PM, Marc Tremblay wrote:


Good morning,



Hi :)


I work for a school board in Montreal and we are finally shifting over 
to open source software for our older computer labs using  Lubuntu 
14.04 instead of windows 7. The performance between the two is 
incomparable and schools are saving up to 15 000$ by converting to 
Lubuntu instead of purchasing new hardware.




This is really great to know. I wish the world can read this :)


Our teachers have been working with us on this and one *big request* 
is to put shortcut to web sites on the desktop. I thought this would 
be a simple request but I am unable to find any information on how to 
do this. Can anyone help?




Are we talking about a shortcut on the desktop for: Google, Yahoo, 
Twitter, etc so that the user does not need to open the browser and 
search for the website not click on the bookmarks but rather, just click 
on the shortcut on the desktop? is that what you are asking?


The quickest way is to add any website as a bookmark on the Bookmarks 
Toolbar.


This might work as a workaround until you confirm your request :)

I am the founder of: StartUbuntu Project:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StartUbuntu

The convert at the school is very much a StartUbuntu activity and we 
always ask people to follow such example. We would be glad if you could 
join StartUbuntu as well.


All Ubuntu Official flavors are part of StartUbuntu!


Thanks

Marc Tremblay

Educational Services Dept

Lester B. Pearson School Board

1925 Brookdale

Dorval, H9P 2Y7

mtremb...@lbpsb.qc.ca mailto:mtremb...@lbpsb.qc.ca





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Re: Putting website shortcuts on the desktop in Lubuntu 14.04 LTS

[Eric Bradshaw]

On 09/30/2014 11:10 PM, Marc Tremblay wrote:

 Good morning,


Hi :)

 I work for a school board in Montreal and we are finally shifting over 
 to open source software for our older computer labs using  Lubuntu 
 14.04 instead of windows 7. The performance between the two is 
 incomparable and schools are saving up to 15 000$ by converting to 
 Lubuntu instead of purchasing new hardware.


This is really great to know. I wish the world can read this :)

 Our teachers have been working with us on this and one *big request* 
 is to put shortcut to web sites on the desktop. I thought this would 
 be a simple request but I am unable to find any information on how to 
 do this. Can anyone help?


Are we talking about a shortcut on the desktop for: Google, Yahoo, 
Twitter, etc so that the user does not need to open the browser and 
search for the website not click on the bookmarks but rather, just click 
on the shortcut on the desktop? is that what you are asking?

The quickest way is to add any website as a bookmark on the Bookmarks 
Toolbar.

This might work as a workaround until you confirm your request :)

I am the founder of: StartUbuntu Project:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StartUbuntu

The convert at the school is very much a StartUbuntu activity and we 
always ask people to follow such example. We would be glad if you could 
join StartUbuntu as well.

All Ubuntu Official flavors are part of StartUbuntu!

 Thanks

 Marc Tremblay

 Educational Services Dept

 Lester B. Pearson School Board

 1925 Brookdale

 Dorval, H9P 2Y7

 mtremb...@lbpsb.qc.ca mailto:mtremb...@lbpsb.qc.ca




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from the C4C Lubuntu ReSpin FAQ...
SHORTCUTS TO WEBPAGES
To make a shortcut to a webpage, simply add the word firefox before the path to 
the webpage (whether that be an address on the Internet or an .html page on 
your hard drive) in the Exec property. Several Mozilla command-line arguments 
will also be adhered to, like -new-window and -new-tab. And of course; if 
you're making several webpage shortcuts - you'll probably want to have separate 
icons for each.

All shortcuts are .desktop entry files. They must be saved as .desktop

- Webpage Example -

Firefox
[Desktop Entry]
Name=Bible Knowlege Games
Exec=firefox http://www.savingus.org/knowledg/
Comment=Games for Group Play
Icon=/usr/share/icons/lubuntu/apps/48/firefox.svg
NoDisplay=false
Categories=GTK;Network;WebBrowser;
Type=Application

Eric

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Putting website shortcuts on the desktop in Lubuntu 14.04 LTS

[Marc Tremblay]

Good morning,

I work for a school board in Montreal and we are finally shifting over to open 
source software for our older computer labs using  Lubuntu 14.04 instead of 
windows 7. The performance between the two is incomparable and schools are 
saving up to 15 000$ by converting to Lubuntu instead of purchasing new 
hardware.

Our teachers have been working with us on this and one big request is to put 
shortcut to web sites on the desktop. I thought this would be a simple request 
but I am unable to find any information on how to do this. Can anyone help?

Thanks

Marc Tremblay
Educational Services Dept
Lester B. Pearson School Board
1925 Brookdale
Dorval, H9P 2Y7

mtremb...@lbpsb.qc.camailto:mtremb...@lbpsb.qc.ca

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Re: Putting website shortcuts on the desktop in Lubuntu 14.04 LTS

[Pierre Gobin]

Hi,

It can be done with a custom .desktop file.

To do it easily with the GUI :

 * Go in Lubuntu Menu, right click on Firefox (or an other web
   browser), and click on « Create a shortcut on the desktop » ;

 * Right click on your new shortcut, and choose « Shortcut Editor » (I
   am not sure of the English name) ;

 * In the dialog, go in the Desktop Entry tab, and modify the
   command. For Firefox, I have « firefox %u » : you can modify it by «
   firefox %u http://www.yourwebsite.com; ».


In this dialog, you can also modify the icon, label, etc.

I hope it can help,

Kind regards,
Pierre Gobin

Le 30/09/2014 15:10, Marc Tremblay a écrit :


Good morning,

I work for a school board in Montreal and we are finally shifting over 
to open source software for our older computer labs using  Lubuntu 
14.04 instead of windows 7. The performance between the two is 
incomparable and schools are saving up to 15 000$ by converting to 
Lubuntu instead of purchasing new hardware.


Our teachers have been working with us on this and one *big request* 
is to put shortcut to web sites on the desktop. I thought this would 
be a simple request but I am unable to find any information on how to 
do this. Can anyone help?


Thanks

Marc Tremblay

Educational Services Dept

Lester B. Pearson School Board

1925 Brookdale

Dorval, H9P 2Y7

mtremb...@lbpsb.qc.ca mailto:mtremb...@lbpsb.qc.ca





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Re: Putting website shortcuts on the desktop in Lubuntu 14.04 LTS

[Andre Rodovalho]

Yes, this is it!

- To do it manually, you can open Leafpad: Menu - Aces. - Leafpad
- Then paste this content:










*[Desktop Entry]Version=1.0Name=My WebsiteExec=firefox %u
http://website_address.com
http://website_address.comTerminal=falseX-MultipleArgs=falseType=ApplicationIcon=firefoxCategories=Network;WebBrowser;StartupNotify=true*

- Tweak the content, and put the website adress you need.
- With Leafpad, save the content to a file named file_whatever*.desktop* in
the Desktop folder of the user you need.
- Test the shortcut.

TIP: Create all shortcuts you need, than backup those .desktop files on a
thumbdrive. Copy-Paste this files on the other machines you need...



2014-09-30 10:38 GMT-03:00 Pierre Gobin lubu...@pierregobin.fr:

  Hi,

 It can be done with a custom .desktop file.

 To do it easily with the GUI :

- Go in Lubuntu Menu, right click on Firefox (or an other web
browser), and click on « Create a shortcut on the desktop » ;


- Right click on your new shortcut, and choose « Shortcut Editor » (I
am not sure of the English name) ;


- In the dialog, go in the Desktop Entry tab, and modify the
command. For Firefox, I have « firefox %u » : you can modify it by «
firefox %u http://www.yourwebsite.com; http://www.yourwebsite.com ».


 In this dialog, you can also modify the icon, label, etc.

 I hope it can help,

 Kind regards,
 Pierre Gobin

 Le 30/09/2014 15:10, Marc Tremblay a écrit :

  Good morning,



 I work for a school board in Montreal and we are finally shifting over to
 open source software for our older computer labs using  Lubuntu 14.04
 instead of windows 7. The performance between the two is incomparable and
 schools are saving up to 15 000$ by converting to Lubuntu instead of
 purchasing new hardware.



 Our teachers have been working with us on this and one *big request* is
 to put shortcut to web sites on the desktop. I thought this would be a
 simple request but I am unable to find any information on how to do this.
 Can anyone help?



 Thanks



 Marc Tremblay

 Educational Services Dept

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 1925 Brookdale

 Dorval, H9P 2Y7



 mtremb...@lbpsb.qc.ca






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Re: Putting website shortcuts on the desktop in Lubuntu 14.04 LTS

[Israel]

Hi,
You can also simplify this
As, Pierre said, you can make the simple desktop file.
The command can be:

 firefox yourwebsite.com

But, if you want to do it manually, this line in the desktop file is
Name=Firefox
Exec=firefox %u

And if you want to write a script...
the script to do this would be :

#!/bin/bash
WEBSITE=torios.org
NAME=ToriOS
ICON=www-browser
echo -e [Desktop Entry]\n
Encoding=UTF-8\n
Exec=firefox ${WEBSITE}\n
Icon=${ICON}\n
Terminal=false\n
Type=Application\n
Categories=Network;\n
Name=${NAME}\n  ~/Desktop/$NAME.desktop
chmod a+rx ~/Desktop/$NAME.desktop

so if you save it as mysite.bash (make it executable)
and then
./mysite.bash

I really have been enjoying bash, so you don't have to do it this way, I
just like the terminal.
It is easy to do through the GUI anyhow :)


On 09/30/2014 08:38 AM, Pierre Gobin wrote:
 Hi,

 It can be done with a custom .desktop file.

 To do it easily with the GUI :

   * Go in Lubuntu Menu, right click on Firefox (or an other web
 browser), and click on « Create a shortcut on the desktop » ;

   * Right click on your new shortcut, and choose « Shortcut Editor »
 (I am not sure of the English name) ;

   * In the dialog, go in the Desktop Entry tab, and modify the
 command. For Firefox, I have « firefox %u » : you can modify it by
 « firefox %u http://www.yourwebsite.com; ».


 In this dialog, you can also modify the icon, label, etc.

 I hope it can help,

 Kind regards,
 Pierre Gobin

 Le 30/09/2014 15:10, Marc Tremblay a écrit :

 Good morning,

  

 I work for a school board in Montreal and we are finally shifting
 over to open source software for our older computer labs using 
 Lubuntu 14.04 instead of windows 7. The performance between the two
 is incomparable and schools are saving up to 15 000$ by converting to
 Lubuntu instead of purchasing new hardware.

  

 Our teachers have been working with us on this and one *big request*
 is to put shortcut to web sites on the desktop. I thought this would
 be a simple request but I am unable to find any information on how to
 do this. Can anyone help?

  

 Thanks

  

 Marc Tremblay

 Educational Services Dept

 Lester B. Pearson School Board

 1925 Brookdale

 Dorval, H9P 2Y7

  

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Re: Putting website shortcuts on the desktop in Lubuntu 14.04 LTS

[Israel]

For everyone else here, this is a copy of a script I sent in a private
e-mail to Pierre...

#!/bin/bash
WEBSITE=(torios.org duckduckgo.com)
NAME=(ToriOS duckduckgo)
ICON=(www-browser firefox)
for ((i=0;i2;++i));do
echo -e [Desktop Entry]
Encoding=UTF-8
Exec=firefox ${WEBSITE[i]}
Icon=${ICON[i]}
Terminal=false
Type=Application
Categories=Network;
Name=${NAME[i]}  ~/Desktop/${NAME[i]}.desktop
chmod a+rx ~/Desktop/${NAME[i]}.desktop
done

To add more entries,
edit
WEBSITE
NAME
ICON
and change the for loop
the current script has 2 websites, so:
for ((i=0;i*2*;++i));do

if you have 4 websites, names and icons change it to 4...

make the script executable and run it :)

NOTE:
If you have 4 websites you must have 4 names and 4 icons
If you use the same icon for each one change the script
*
from:*
ICON=(www-browser firefox)
*to:*
ICON=www-browser

*AND*
Icon=${ICON[i]}
*to*
Icon=$ICON



On 09/30/2014 01:25 PM, Andre Rodovalho wrote:
 Yes, this is it!

 - To do it manually, you can open Leafpad: Menu - Aces. - Leafpad
 - Then paste this content:

 *[Desktop Entry]
 Version=1.0
 Name=My Website
 Exec=firefox %u http://website_address.com
 Terminal=false
 X-MultipleArgs=false
 Type=Application
 Icon=firefox
 Categories=Network;WebBrowser;
 StartupNotify=true*

 - Tweak the content, and put the website adress you need.
 - With Leafpad, save the content to a file named
 file_whatever*.desktop* in the Desktop folder of the user you need.
 - Test the shortcut.

 TIP: Create all shortcuts you need, than backup those .desktop files
 on a thumbdrive. Copy-Paste this files on the other machines you need...



 2014-09-30 10:38 GMT-03:00 Pierre Gobin lubu...@pierregobin.fr
 mailto:lubu...@pierregobin.fr:

 Hi,

 It can be done with a custom .desktop file.

 To do it easily with the GUI :

   * Go in Lubuntu Menu, right click on Firefox (or an other web
 browser), and click on « Create a shortcut on the desktop » ;

   * Right click on your new shortcut, and choose « Shortcut Editor
 » (I am not sure of the English name) ;

   * In the dialog, go in the Desktop Entry tab, and modify the
 command. For Firefox, I have « firefox %u » : you can modify
 it by « firefox %u http://www.yourwebsite.com;
 http://www.yourwebsite.com ».


 In this dialog, you can also modify the icon, label, etc.

 I hope it can help,

 Kind regards,
 Pierre Gobin

 Le 30/09/2014 15:10, Marc Tremblay a écrit :

 Good morning,

  

 I work for a school board in Montreal and we are finally shifting
 over to open source software for our older computer labs using 
 Lubuntu 14.04 instead of windows 7. The performance between the
 two is incomparable and schools are saving up to 15 000$ by
 converting to Lubuntu instead of purchasing new hardware.

  

 Our teachers have been working with us on this and one *big
 request* is to put shortcut to web sites on the desktop. I
 thought this would be a simple request but I am unable to find
 any information on how to do this. Can anyone help?

  

 Thanks

  

 Marc Tremblay

 Educational Services Dept

 Lester B. Pearson School Board

 1925 Brookdale

 Dorval, H9P 2Y7

  

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Re: Working Power Manager in Lubuntu 14.04?

[Israel]

Hi Juraj,
I am on 14.04, though I have an iBook on 12.04...
My machine with NVidia graphics had perfect suspend using the default
drivers in 12.04, but for 14.04 I need proprietary drivers to suspend :(

Suspend is pretty much dependent on your graphics card, from what I know.

Hmmm, Jorn was talking the other day about certain aspects of X that
have changed in 14.04, I do not know a whole lot about this, but he may
know more of where you could start testing to figure out where to look.

On 08/30/2014 06:59 AM, Juraj Fiala wrote:
 Thanks. Didsome more research today. Pretty sure it's not my VGA,
 didn't have any trouble before.

 You say you are on 12.04, right? Well according to what I found, the
 bug isn't present there.

 I found this bug, which is marked as resolved:
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1222021.

 And then this bug, which is newer and is marked as confirmed:
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1307545.

 The newer bug seams to be the problem.

 On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 13:53:51 -0500
 Israel israeld...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Juraj,
 I don't know a lot about those specific cards.  I have a similar one in
 an old PowerPC iBook, and I am not sure if suspend works with it...
 14.04 had some issues with PPC and some kernel modules get messed up,
 due to a bug in hw-detect.  I haven't had the time to debug it, so I use
 12.04... which is unfortunate, as the LXDE components do not get
 updated, and there is no PPA for PPC :)

 That said, there may be a workaround.

 I have found with certain cards you can add a boot parameter (in GRUB2)
 that can help.
 You may do a quick duckduckgo search to see if anyone else has had this
 issue in recent Kernels with your card, and see if you can find anything.

 For my current Nvidia card I had perfect suspend with 12.04 and the open
 source drivers.  Then, in 14.04 they broke and I have to use the
 not-as-good closed source drivers, only to have suspend :(

 If I have time I will try to check out your issue on the internet, but I
 am very busy these days...

 On 08/17/2014 11:55 AM, Juraj Fiala wrote:
 Hi Israel, thanks for the reply.

 lspci | grep VGA outputs:
 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
 [AMD/ATI] RS780M [Mobility Radeon HD 3200]

 It's an integrated graphics card, taking 256MB from the (1GB) RAM.

 On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 07:56:47 -0500
 Israel israeld...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Juraj,
 I have had no trouble with the xfce4-power-manager putting my computer
 to sleep.
 The graphics card is usually the main issue with Suspend.  What kind of
 card do you have?
 you can use something like
 lspci | grep VGA
 to get the exact model.
 This might help us figure out how to help you better :)

 On 08/17/2014 12:52 AM, Juraj Fiala wrote:
 Hiya. First mail to a mailing list ever so I apoligize for anything I
 shouldn't have done. Thought that maybe this should be a question on
 askubuntu, but this way it's problably better.

 I'm running Lubuntu 14.04, and loving the blazing speed. It's the
 fastest OS I ever had. I can run a 64 bit system on 738MB RAM.

 The only thing I don't like is the power manager. I can't get it to
 work. I set 'Laptop Mode' on in 'Default applications for LXSession',
 xfce4-power-manager starts up correctly, handles everything correctly,
 except putting the computer to sleep.

 I heard that xfce4-power-manager isn't patched to work with systemd. I
 found a solution on Ask Ubuntu that will enable xfce4-power-manager to
 put the laptop to sleep when the lid shuts down, by setting
 HandleLidSwitch in /etc/systemd/logind.conf to ignore. I tried, and
 indeed, xfce4-power-manager was able to put the laptop to sleep on lid
 close, but it was buggy (it didn't sleep every time), and it didn't
 lock the screen.

 So I tried the opposite, as suggested in the answer. I set
 HandleLidSwitch to the default (suspend), and turned off all lid
 actions in xfce4-power-manager. A little improvment, but still, doesn't
 work all the time, sometimes fails or just ignores, but at least it
 locks the screen.


 Has anyone here got a working power manager? If yes, how?

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Re: Working Power Manager in Lubuntu 14.04?

[Israel]

Hi Juraj,
I have had no trouble with the xfce4-power-manager putting my computer
to sleep.
The graphics card is usually the main issue with Suspend.  What kind of
card do you have?
you can use something like
lspci | grep VGA
to get the exact model.
This might help us figure out how to help you better :)

On 08/17/2014 12:52 AM, Juraj Fiala wrote:
 Hiya. First mail to a mailing list ever so I apoligize for anything I
 shouldn't have done. Thought that maybe this should be a question on
 askubuntu, but this way it's problably better.

 I'm running Lubuntu 14.04, and loving the blazing speed. It's the
 fastest OS I ever had. I can run a 64 bit system on 738MB RAM.

 The only thing I don't like is the power manager. I can't get it to
 work. I set 'Laptop Mode' on in 'Default applications for LXSession',
 xfce4-power-manager starts up correctly, handles everything correctly,
 except putting the computer to sleep.

 I heard that xfce4-power-manager isn't patched to work with systemd. I
 found a solution on Ask Ubuntu that will enable xfce4-power-manager to
 put the laptop to sleep when the lid shuts down, by setting
 HandleLidSwitch in /etc/systemd/logind.conf to ignore. I tried, and
 indeed, xfce4-power-manager was able to put the laptop to sleep on lid
 close, but it was buggy (it didn't sleep every time), and it didn't
 lock the screen.

 So I tried the opposite, as suggested in the answer. I set
 HandleLidSwitch to the default (suspend), and turned off all lid
 actions in xfce4-power-manager. A little improvment, but still, doesn't
 work all the time, sometimes fails or just ignores, but at least it
 locks the screen.


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Re: Working Power Manager in Lubuntu 14.04?

[Juraj Fiala]

Hi Israel, thanks for the reply.

lspci | grep VGA outputs:
01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
[AMD/ATI] RS780M [Mobility Radeon HD 3200]

It's an integrated graphics card, taking 256MB from the (1GB) RAM.

On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 07:56:47 -0500
Israel israeld...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Juraj,
 I have had no trouble with the xfce4-power-manager putting my computer
 to sleep.
 The graphics card is usually the main issue with Suspend.  What kind of
 card do you have?
 you can use something like
 lspci | grep VGA
 to get the exact model.
 This might help us figure out how to help you better :)
 
 On 08/17/2014 12:52 AM, Juraj Fiala wrote:
  Hiya. First mail to a mailing list ever so I apoligize for anything I
  shouldn't have done. Thought that maybe this should be a question on
  askubuntu, but this way it's problably better.
 
  I'm running Lubuntu 14.04, and loving the blazing speed. It's the
  fastest OS I ever had. I can run a 64 bit system on 738MB RAM.
 
  The only thing I don't like is the power manager. I can't get it to
  work. I set 'Laptop Mode' on in 'Default applications for LXSession',
  xfce4-power-manager starts up correctly, handles everything correctly,
  except putting the computer to sleep.
 
  I heard that xfce4-power-manager isn't patched to work with systemd. I
  found a solution on Ask Ubuntu that will enable xfce4-power-manager to
  put the laptop to sleep when the lid shuts down, by setting
  HandleLidSwitch in /etc/systemd/logind.conf to ignore. I tried, and
  indeed, xfce4-power-manager was able to put the laptop to sleep on lid
  close, but it was buggy (it didn't sleep every time), and it didn't
  lock the screen.
 
  So I tried the opposite, as suggested in the answer. I set
  HandleLidSwitch to the default (suspend), and turned off all lid
  actions in xfce4-power-manager. A little improvment, but still, doesn't
  work all the time, sometimes fails or just ignores, but at least it
  locks the screen.
 
 
  Has anyone here got a working power manager? If yes, how?
 
 
 
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Re: Working Power Manager in Lubuntu 14.04?

[Israel]

Hi Juraj,
I don't know a lot about those specific cards.  I have a similar one in
an old PowerPC iBook, and I am not sure if suspend works with it...
14.04 had some issues with PPC and some kernel modules get messed up,
due to a bug in hw-detect.  I haven't had the time to debug it, so I use
12.04... which is unfortunate, as the LXDE components do not get
updated, and there is no PPA for PPC :)

That said, there may be a workaround.

I have found with certain cards you can add a boot parameter (in GRUB2)
that can help.
You may do a quick duckduckgo search to see if anyone else has had this
issue in recent Kernels with your card, and see if you can find anything.

For my current Nvidia card I had perfect suspend with 12.04 and the open
source drivers.  Then, in 14.04 they broke and I have to use the
not-as-good closed source drivers, only to have suspend :(

If I have time I will try to check out your issue on the internet, but I
am very busy these days...

On 08/17/2014 11:55 AM, Juraj Fiala wrote:
 Hi Israel, thanks for the reply.

 lspci | grep VGA outputs:
 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
 [AMD/ATI] RS780M [Mobility Radeon HD 3200]

 It's an integrated graphics card, taking 256MB from the (1GB) RAM.

 On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 07:56:47 -0500
 Israel israeld...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Juraj,
 I have had no trouble with the xfce4-power-manager putting my computer
 to sleep.
 The graphics card is usually the main issue with Suspend.  What kind of
 card do you have?
 you can use something like
 lspci | grep VGA
 to get the exact model.
 This might help us figure out how to help you better :)

 On 08/17/2014 12:52 AM, Juraj Fiala wrote:
 Hiya. First mail to a mailing list ever so I apoligize for anything I
 shouldn't have done. Thought that maybe this should be a question on
 askubuntu, but this way it's problably better.

 I'm running Lubuntu 14.04, and loving the blazing speed. It's the
 fastest OS I ever had. I can run a 64 bit system on 738MB RAM.

 The only thing I don't like is the power manager. I can't get it to
 work. I set 'Laptop Mode' on in 'Default applications for LXSession',
 xfce4-power-manager starts up correctly, handles everything correctly,
 except putting the computer to sleep.

 I heard that xfce4-power-manager isn't patched to work with systemd. I
 found a solution on Ask Ubuntu that will enable xfce4-power-manager to
 put the laptop to sleep when the lid shuts down, by setting
 HandleLidSwitch in /etc/systemd/logind.conf to ignore. I tried, and
 indeed, xfce4-power-manager was able to put the laptop to sleep on lid
 close, but it was buggy (it didn't sleep every time), and it didn't
 lock the screen.

 So I tried the opposite, as suggested in the answer. I set
 HandleLidSwitch to the default (suspend), and turned off all lid
 actions in xfce4-power-manager. A little improvment, but still, doesn't
 work all the time, sometimes fails or just ignores, but at least it
 locks the screen.


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Working Power Manager in Lubuntu 14.04?

[Juraj Fiala]

Hiya. First mail to a mailing list ever so I apoligize for anything I
shouldn't have done. Thought that maybe this should be a question on
askubuntu, but this way it's problably better.

I'm running Lubuntu 14.04, and loving the blazing speed. It's the
fastest OS I ever had. I can run a 64 bit system on 738MB RAM.

The only thing I don't like is the power manager. I can't get it to
work. I set 'Laptop Mode' on in 'Default applications for LXSession',
xfce4-power-manager starts up correctly, handles everything correctly,
except putting the computer to sleep.

I heard that xfce4-power-manager isn't patched to work with systemd. I
found a solution on Ask Ubuntu that will enable xfce4-power-manager to
put the laptop to sleep when the lid shuts down, by setting
HandleLidSwitch in /etc/systemd/logind.conf to ignore. I tried, and
indeed, xfce4-power-manager was able to put the laptop to sleep on lid
close, but it was buggy (it didn't sleep every time), and it didn't
lock the screen.

So I tried the opposite, as suggested in the answer. I set
HandleLidSwitch to the default (suspend), and turned off all lid
actions in xfce4-power-manager. A little improvment, but still, doesn't
work all the time, sometimes fails or just ignores, but at least it
locks the screen.


Has anyone here got a working power manager? If yes, how?

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Re: lubuntu-14.04-alternate-powerpc.iso missing fsadm so lvreduce --resizefs aborts... [12.04 desktop CD live-powerpc success]

[Mark Millard]

Booting live-powerpc on the iMac G3 from a powerpc 12.04 lubuntu desktop CD 
(burned from the .iso) allowed the following sequence (# ... is comments):

sudo apt-get install lvm2
# The above installed fsadm as well as well as lvmreduce and the like.

sudo vgchange --available y G3volgrp
# I needed to activate the logical volumes in the kernel before the below was 
allowed.

sudo lvreduce --resizefs --size -45G /dev/G3volgrp/G3root

On reboot to the internal drive (after the above) things seem fine.

Thanks again for the pointers Phill. So there is a CD based work around readily 
available as long as lubuntu 12.04's .iso for using live-powerpc is readily 
available.

===
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mar...@dsl-only.net

On Jul 7, 2014, at 11:18 PM, Mark Millard mar...@dsl-only.net wrote:

[Resent with much history removed to make the message smaller so no moderator 
involvement is needed.]

Thanks for the pointers Phill.

I have submitted the issue as Bug #133. (Turned out that I had an old 
account from
some 2008 activity, not that I remember what it was about.) I'm perfectly happy 
to leave
133's status, importance, and the like to those with more context than I 
currently
have. (My first submittal --unless I made one in 2008.)

I'm going to be away from the iMac G3 for a while so I'll not being trying any 
alternatives
for that time.

===
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On Jul 7, 2014, at 9:23 PM, Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote:

Hi Mark,

I'm sure the others will scream at me, but as 14.04 desktop is over sized, it 
will not fit on a CD. Alternate obviously does not have LiveCD option 
However. have a try of the 12.04 lubuntu desktop PPC, which should have the 
ability to boot as LiveCD and have the ability to invoke LVM stuff.

head over to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/PreviousReleases#A12.04 
and see if it works for you. If that link is slow / not working, then feel free 
to use my mirror which for 12.04 is at  http://phillw.net/isos/lubuntu/precise/

I'm not a PPC person, but I do know lubuntu is your refuge and I will do what 
ever I can to help out.

Thanks for helping on PPC,

Phill.


On 8 July 2014 04:15, Mark Millard mar...@dsl-only.net wrote:
Hi.

My original report to the list was informational (and cross checking) since I 
did not find any references to the issue when I looked around. My report did 
not even ask for help.

Installing from the same .iso installed fsadm and the lvm software just fine 
and I also had no trouble setting up my lvm configuration in the first place. 
I've also been able to do everything that I wanted that is allowed for use on a 
already existing lvm context with / coming from the lvm live. (My use is at the 
simple end of things for lvm so far.)

But one can not do an action that includes a reduce (shrink) to a live / (the 
root file system). So I tried to do that from the rescue-powerpc selection from 
the CD (so booted from different root). This is what I was reporting as not 
covered by the rescue-powerpc use of the CD. (apt-get is also missing from that 
context.) It may be that lvm's coverage for rescue-powerpc is just not to be 
complete due to space requirements and the relative priorities for what can be 
done fairly directly booted from that media via that selection. Such is not for 
me to say.

Quoting 
http://askubuntu.com/questions/124465/how-do-i-shrink-the-root-logical-volume-lv-on-lvm
 ...

 It is not possible (to my knowledge) to shrink a filesystem while it is 
 mounted, so we need to do the actual resizing from a Live CD.


As far as I can tell this is still true. For my old iMac G3 context larger 
media does not work (the internal slot-drive is a CD-only one). I've not got 
around to setting up yet another alternate boot technique to some other root 
file system in order to do the reduction from where I can get everything 
required in place. At some point I will take the time to deal with doing that.

I've not yet created an account to submit bug reports with. It may be a bit 
before I get to that.


===
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On Jul 7, 2014, at 7:13 PM, Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote:

Hi,

I recall that desktop PPC went over size. Julien took a sword to the alternate 
in order to ensure it is CD sized. In my humble opinion, people wanting to use 
LVM's should know how to install the tools needed. (I use LVM's, run 11 KVM 
machines and also SEL :D ).

Do feel free to raise a bug report, I'm hopeful that it is not a massive job 
for Julien to add in the library for 14.04.1, but I also do not want to peck 
him to the point he gets fed up of PPC. 

Regards,

Phill.


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Re: lubuntu-14.04-alternate-powerpc.iso missing fsadm so lvreduce --resizefs aborts...

[Mark Millard]

[Answering Israel's md5 question...]

MD5 (/Volumes/MiscStuff/lubuntu-14.04-alternate-powerpc.iso) = 
4d9e511daf41dbc44f4506958f0e70f9

vs. from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/14.04/release/MD5SUMS

4d9e511daf41dbc44f4506958f0e70f9 *lubuntu-14.04-alternate-powerpc.iso

Extracting the relevant text on matching lines:

4d9e511daf41dbc44f4506958f0e70f9
4d9e511daf41dbc44f4506958f0e70f9

An exact match.



So fsadm is missing from the command shell environment that one has access to 
for rescue-powerpc use of lubuntu-14.04-alternate-powerpc.iso burned to a CD. 
Without it various lvm activities can not be done from that environment. But 
that environment appears to be intended to allow the activities one can not do 
with a live file system. The configuration just happened to miss covering the 
specific type of use.


On Thu Jul 3 11:23:13 UTC 2014 Isreal had written...

 Hi,
 Did you do a md5sum of the image file you downloaded?
 It is an odd thing we sometimes forget that can cause really wacky
 problems in my experience.
 
On 07/02/2014 10:22 PM, Mark Millard wrote:
 But apt-get is also not available from that shell prompt and 

 find / -name apt-get -print

 does not find anything.

 Similarly for sudo. (One is already root in this CD-boot context so
 I doubt sudo is ever required.)

 Notably

 find / -name 'lvr*' -print

 finds the relevant /sbin/lvr* lvm programs just fine. But fsadm is
 missing.

 ===
 Mark Millard
 markmi at dsl-only.net mailto:markmi at dsl-only.net

 On Jul 2, 2014, at 8:12 PM, Andre Rodovalho andre.rodovalho at gmail.com
 mailto:andre.rodovalho at gmail.com wrote:

 The command is*sudo apt-get install **lvm2*

 Sorry about the first email...


 2014-07-03 0:08 GMT-03:00 Andre Rodovalho andre.rodovalho at gmail.com
 mailto:andre.rodovalho at gmail.com:

 do a *sudo apt-get install fsadm*


 2014-07-02 22:44 GMT-03:00 Mark Millard markmi at dsl-only.net
 mailto:markmi at dsl-only.net:

 Selecting to boot the CD for rescue-powerpc, selecting to
 not mount a root file system from the PowerMac, selecting to
 get to the shell, and typing

 find / -name fsadm -print

 does not find a fsadm anywhere.

 Naturally enough typing fsadm -h at the command prompt
 results in the message

 /bin/sh: fsadm: not found


 ===
 Mark Millard
 markmi at dsl-only.net http://dsl-only.net/

 On Jul 2, 2014, at 6:08 PM, Phill Whiteside PhillW at PhillW.net
 mailto:PhillW at PhillW.net wrote:

 can you report the outcome of 

 fsadm -h

 Regards,

 Phill.


 On 3 July 2014 01:52, Mark Millard markmi at dsl-only.net
 mailto:markmi at dsl-only.net wrote:

 I wanted to release about 45G Bytes of free space from a
 root file system that is in lvm and so I tried to use a CD
 built from lubuntu-14.04-alternate-powerpc.iso to do
 lvreduce --resizefs. Unfortunately the attempted use of
 lvreduce reports that it could not find fsadm (and fsadm
 is not in the live file system's /sbin/ with the lv* tools).

 Part of the purpose for rescue-powerpc (and the like)
 should be to do operations that can not be done with a
 live (root) filesystem.  Looks like this specific kind of
 example of that has been missed.

 I have not checked if other processor families have
 similar issues for their alternate CDs or if the issue
 is specific to lubuntu vs. existing in other ubuntu
 variants. Nor have I checked other types of .iso's for
 powerpc.

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Re: lubuntu-14.04-alternate-powerpc.iso missing fsadm so lvreduce --resizefs aborts...

[Mark Millard]

Hi.

My original report to the list was informational (and cross checking) since I 
did not find any references to the issue when I looked around. My report did 
not even ask for help.

Installing from the same .iso installed fsadm and the lvm software just fine 
and I also had no trouble setting up my lvm configuration in the first place. 
I've also been able to do everything that I wanted that is allowed for use on a 
already existing lvm context with / coming from the lvm live. (My use is at the 
simple end of things for lvm so far.)

But one can not do an action that includes a reduce (shrink) to a live / (the 
root file system). So I tried to do that from the rescue-powerpc selection from 
the CD (so booted from different root). This is what I was reporting as not 
covered by the rescue-powerpc use of the CD. (apt-get is also missing from that 
context.) It may be that lvm's coverage for rescue-powerpc is just not to be 
complete due to space requirements and the relative priorities for what can be 
done fairly directly booted from that media via that selection. Such is not for 
me to say.

Quoting 
http://askubuntu.com/questions/124465/how-do-i-shrink-the-root-logical-volume-lv-on-lvm
 ...

 It is not possible (to my knowledge) to shrink a filesystem while it is 
 mounted, so we need to do the actual resizing from a Live CD.


As far as I can tell this is still true. For my old iMac G3 context larger 
media does not work (the internal slot-drive is a CD-only one). I've not got 
around to setting up yet another alternate boot technique to some other root 
file system in order to do the reduction from where I can get everything 
required in place. At some point I will take the time to deal with doing that.

I've not yet created an account to submit bug reports with. It may be a bit 
before I get to that.


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On Jul 7, 2014, at 7:13 PM, Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote:

Hi,

I recall that desktop PPC went over size. Julien took a sword to the alternate 
in order to ensure it is CD sized. In my humble opinion, people wanting to use 
LVM's should know how to install the tools needed. (I use LVM's, run 11 KVM 
machines and also SEL :D ).

Do feel free to raise a bug report, I'm hopeful that it is not a massive job 
for Julien to add in the library for 14.04.1, but I also do not want to peck 
him to the point he gets fed up of PPC. 

Regards,

Phill.



On 8 July 2014 02:56, Mark Millard mar...@dsl-only.net wrote:
[Answering Israel's md5 question...]

MD5 (/Volumes/MiscStuff/lubuntu-14.04-alternate-powerpc.iso) = 
4d9e511daf41dbc44f4506958f0e70f9

vs. from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/14.04/release/MD5SUMS

4d9e511daf41dbc44f4506958f0e70f9 *lubuntu-14.04-alternate-powerpc.iso

Extracting the relevant text on matching lines:

4d9e511daf41dbc44f4506958f0e70f9
4d9e511daf41dbc44f4506958f0e70f9

An exact match.



So fsadm is missing from the command shell environment that one has access to 
for rescue-powerpc use of lubuntu-14.04-alternate-powerpc.iso burned to a CD. 
Without it various lvm activities can not be done from that environment. But 
that environment appears to be intended to allow the activities one can not do 
with a live file system. The configuration just happened to miss covering the 
specific type of use.


On Thu Jul 3 11:23:13 UTC 2014 Isreal had written...

 Hi,
 Did you do a md5sum of the image file you downloaded?
 It is an odd thing we sometimes forget that can cause really wacky
 problems in my experience.
 
On 07/02/2014 10:22 PM, Mark Millard wrote:
 But apt-get is also not available from that shell prompt and 

 find / -name apt-get -print

 does not find anything.

 Similarly for sudo. (One is already root in this CD-boot context so
 I doubt sudo is ever required.)

 Notably

 find / -name 'lvr*' -print

 finds the relevant /sbin/lvr* lvm programs just fine. But fsadm is
 missing.

 ===
 Mark Millard
 markmi at dsl-only.net mailto:markmi at dsl-only.net

 On Jul 2, 2014, at 8:12 PM, Andre Rodovalho andre.rodovalho at gmail.com
 mailto:andre.rodovalho at gmail.com wrote:

 The command is*sudo apt-get install **lvm2*

 Sorry about the first email...


 2014-07-03 0:08 GMT-03:00 Andre Rodovalho andre.rodovalho at gmail.com
 mailto:andre.rodovalho at gmail.com:

 do a *sudo apt-get install fsadm*


 2014-07-02 22:44 GMT-03:00 Mark Millard markmi at dsl-only.net
 mailto:markmi at dsl-only.net:

 Selecting to boot the CD for rescue-powerpc, selecting to
 not mount a root file system from the PowerMac, selecting to
 get to the shell, and typing

 find / -name fsadm -print

 does not find a fsadm anywhere.

 Naturally enough typing fsadm -h at the command prompt
 results in the message

 /bin/sh: fsadm: not found


 ===
 Mark Millard
 markmi at dsl-only.net http://dsl-only.net/

 On Jul 2, 2014, at 6:08 PM, Phill Whiteside

Re: lubuntu-14.04-alternate-powerpc.iso missing fsadm so lvreduce --resizefs aborts...

[Phill Whiteside]

Hi Mark,

I'm sure the others will scream at me, but as 14.04 desktop is over sized,
it will not fit on a CD. Alternate obviously does not have LiveCD
option However. have a try of the 12.04 lubuntu desktop PPC, which
should have the ability to boot as LiveCD and have the ability to invoke
LVM stuff.

head over to
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/PreviousReleases#A12.04 and see
if it works for you. If that link is slow / not working, then feel free to
use my mirror which for 12.04 is at  http://phillw.net/isos/lubuntu/precise/

I'm not a PPC person, but I do know lubuntu is your refuge and I will do
what ever I can to help out.

Thanks for helping on PPC,

Phill.


On 8 July 2014 04:15, Mark Millard mar...@dsl-only.net wrote:

 Hi.

 My original report to the list was informational (and cross checking)
 since I did not find any references to the issue when I looked around. My
 report did not even ask for help.

 Installing from the same .iso installed fsadm and the lvm software just
 fine and I also had no trouble setting up my lvm configuration in the first
 place. I've also been able to do everything that I wanted that is allowed
 for use on a already existing lvm context with / coming from the lvm live.
 (My use is at the simple end of things for lvm so far.)

 But one can not do an action that includes a reduce (shrink) to a live /
 (the root file system). So I tried to do that from the rescue-powerpc
 selection from the CD (so booted from different root). This is what I was
 reporting as not covered by the rescue-powerpc use of the CD. (apt-get is
 also missing from that context.) It may be that lvm's coverage for
 rescue-powerpc is just not to be complete due to space requirements and the
 relative priorities for what can be done fairly directly booted from that
 media via that selection. Such is not for me to say.

 Quoting
 http://askubuntu.com/questions/124465/how-do-i-shrink-the-root-logical-volume-lv-on-lvm
 ...

 It is not possible (to my knowledge) to shrink a filesystem while it is
 mounted, so we need to do the actual resizing from a Live CD.


 As far as I can tell this is still true. For my old iMac G3 context larger
 media does not work (the internal slot-drive is a CD-only one). I've not
 got around to setting up yet another alternate boot technique to some other
 root file system in order to do the reduction from where I can get
 everything required in place. At some point I will take the time to deal
 with doing that.

 I've not yet created an account to submit bug reports with. It may be a
 bit before I get to that.


 ===
 Mark Millard
 mar...@dsl-only.net

 On Jul 7, 2014, at 7:13 PM, Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote:

 Hi,

 I recall that desktop PPC went over size. Julien took a sword to the
 alternate in order to ensure it is CD sized. In my humble opinion, people
 wanting to use LVM's should know how to install the tools needed. (I use
 LVM's, run 11 KVM machines and also SEL :D ).

 Do feel free to raise a bug report, I'm hopeful that it is not a massive
 job for Julien to add in the library for 14.04.1, but I also do not want to
 peck him to the point he gets fed up of PPC.

 Regards,

 Phill.



 On 8 July 2014 02:56, Mark Millard mar...@dsl-only.net wrote:

 [Answering Israel's md5 question...]

 MD5 (/Volumes/MiscStuff/lubuntu-14.04-alternate-powerpc.iso) =
 4d9e511daf41dbc44f4506958f0e70f9

 vs. from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/14.04/release/MD5SUMS

 4d9e511daf41dbc44f4506958f0e70f9 *lubuntu-14.04-alternate-powerpc.iso

 Extracting the relevant text on matching lines:

 4d9e511daf41dbc44f4506958f0e70f9
 4d9e511daf41dbc44f4506958f0e70f9

 An exact match.



 So fsadm is missing from the command shell environment that one has
 access to for rescue-powerpc use of lubuntu-14.04-alternate-powerpc.iso
 burned to a CD. Without it various lvm activities can not be done from that
 environment. But that environment appears to be intended to allow the
 activities one can not do with a live file system. The configuration just
 happened to miss covering the specific type of use.


 On Thu Jul 3 11:23:13 UTC 2014 Isreal had written...

 Hi,
 Did you do a md5sum of the image file you downloaded?
 It is an odd thing we sometimes forget that can cause really wacky
 problems in my experience.

 On 07/02/2014 10:22 PM, Mark Millard wrote:
 * But apt-get is also not available from that shell prompt and *
 
 * find / -name apt-get -print*
 
 * does not find anything.*
 
 * Similarly for sudo. (One is already root in this CD-boot context so*
 * I doubt sudo is ever required.)*
 
 * Notably*
 
 * find / -name 'lvr*' -print*
 
 * finds the relevant /sbin/lvr* lvm programs just fine. But fsadm is*
 * missing.*
 
 * ===*
 * Mark Millard*
  *markmi at dsl-only.net*
 https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users* mailto:**markmi
 at dsl-only.net*
 https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users**
 
 * On Jul 2, 2014, at 8:12 PM, Andre

Re: lubuntu-14.04-alternate-powerpc.iso missing fsadm so lvreduce --resizefs aborts...

[Israel]

Hi,
Did you do a md5sum of the image file you downloaded?
It is an odd thing we sometimes forget that can cause really wacky
problems in my experience.

On 07/02/2014 10:22 PM, Mark Millard wrote:
 But apt-get is also not available from that shell prompt and 

 find / -name apt-get -print

 does not find anything.

 Similarly for sudo. (One is already root in this CD-boot context so
 I doubt sudo is ever required.)

 Notably

 find / -name 'lvr*' -print

 finds the relevant /sbin/lvr* lvm programs just fine. But fsadm is
 missing.

 ===
 Mark Millard
 mar...@dsl-only.net mailto:mar...@dsl-only.net

 On Jul 2, 2014, at 8:12 PM, Andre Rodovalho andre.rodova...@gmail.com
 mailto:andre.rodova...@gmail.com wrote:

 The command is*sudo apt-get install **lvm2*

 Sorry about the first email...


 2014-07-03 0:08 GMT-03:00 Andre Rodovalho andre.rodova...@gmail.com
 mailto:andre.rodova...@gmail.com:

 do a *sudo apt-get install fsadm*


 2014-07-02 22:44 GMT-03:00 Mark Millard mar...@dsl-only.net
 mailto:mar...@dsl-only.net:

 Selecting to boot the CD for rescue-powerpc, selecting to
 not mount a root file system from the PowerMac, selecting to
 get to the shell, and typing

 find / -name fsadm -print

 does not find a fsadm anywhere.

 Naturally enough typing fsadm -h at the command prompt
 results in the message

 /bin/sh: fsadm: not found


 ===
 Mark Millard
 markmi at dsl-only.net http://dsl-only.net/

 On Jul 2, 2014, at 6:08 PM, Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net
 mailto:phi...@phillw.net wrote:

 can you report the outcome of 

 fsadm -h

 Regards,

 Phill.


 On 3 July 2014 01:52, Mark Millard mar...@dsl-only.net
 mailto:mar...@dsl-only.net wrote:

 I wanted to release about 45G Bytes of free space from a
 root file system that is in lvm and so I tried to use a CD
 built from lubuntu-14.04-alternate-powerpc.iso to do
 lvreduce --resizefs. Unfortunately the attempted use of
 lvreduce reports that it could not find fsadm (and fsadm
 is not in the live file system's /sbin/ with the lv* tools).

 Part of the purpose for rescue-powerpc (and the like)
 should be to do operations that can not be done with a
 live (root) filesystem.  Looks like this specific kind of
 example of that has been missed.

 I have not checked if other processor families have
 similar issues for their alternate CDs or if the issue
 is specific to lubuntu vs. existing in other ubuntu
 variants. Nor have I checked other types of .iso's for
 powerpc.

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lubuntu-14.04-alternate-powerpc.iso missing fsadm so lvreduce --resizefs aborts...

[Mark Millard]

I wanted to release about 45G Bytes of free space from a root file system that 
is in lvm and so I tried to use a CD built from 
lubuntu-14.04-alternate-powerpc.iso to do lvreduce --resizefs. Unfortunately 
the attempted use of lvreduce reports that it could not find fsadm (and fsadm 
is not in the live file system's /sbin/ with the lv* tools).

Part of the purpose for rescue-powerpc (and the like) should be to do 
operations that can not be done with a live (root) filesystem.  Looks like this 
specific kind of example of that has been missed.

I have not checked if other processor families have similar issues for their 
alternate CDs or if the issue is specific to lubuntu vs. existing in other 
ubuntu variants. Nor have I checked other types of .iso's for powerpc.

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Re: lubuntu-14.04-alternate-powerpc.iso missing fsadm so lvreduce --resizefs aborts...

[Phill Whiteside]

can you report the outcome of

fsadm -h

Regards,

Phill.


On 3 July 2014 01:52, Mark Millard mar...@dsl-only.net wrote:

 I wanted to release about 45G Bytes of free space from a root file system
 that is in lvm and so I tried to use a CD built from
 lubuntu-14.04-alternate-powerpc.iso to do lvreduce --resizefs.
 Unfortunately the attempted use of lvreduce reports that it could not find
 fsadm (and fsadm is not in the live file system's /sbin/ with the lv*
 tools).

 Part of the purpose for rescue-powerpc (and the like) should be to do
 operations that can not be done with a live (root) filesystem.  Looks like
 this specific kind of example of that has been missed.

 I have not checked if other processor families have similar issues for
 their alternate CDs or if the issue is specific to lubuntu vs. existing
 in other ubuntu variants. Nor have I checked other types of .iso's for
 powerpc.

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Re: lubuntu-14.04-alternate-powerpc.iso missing fsadm so lvreduce --resizefs aborts...

[Mark Millard]

Selecting to boot the CD for rescue-powerpc, selecting to not mount a root 
file system from the PowerMac, selecting to get to the shell, and typing

find / -name fsadm -print

does not find a fsadm anywhere.

Naturally enough typing fsadm -h at the command prompt results in the message

/bin/sh: fsadm: not found


===
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On Jul 2, 2014, at 6:08 PM, Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote:

can you report the outcome of 

fsadm -h

Regards,

Phill.


On 3 July 2014 01:52, Mark Millard mar...@dsl-only.net wrote:
I wanted to release about 45G Bytes of free space from a root file system that 
is in lvm and so I tried to use a CD built from 
lubuntu-14.04-alternate-powerpc.iso to do lvreduce --resizefs. Unfortunately 
the attempted use of lvreduce reports that it could not find fsadm (and fsadm 
is not in the live file system's /sbin/ with the lv* tools).

Part of the purpose for rescue-powerpc (and the like) should be to do 
operations that can not be done with a live (root) filesystem.  Looks like this 
specific kind of example of that has been missed.

I have not checked if other processor families have similar issues for their 
alternate CDs or if the issue is specific to lubuntu vs. existing in other 
ubuntu variants. Nor have I checked other types of .iso's for powerpc.

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Re: lubuntu-14.04-alternate-powerpc.iso missing fsadm so lvreduce --resizefs aborts...

[Andre Rodovalho]

do a *sudo apt-get install fsadm*


2014-07-02 22:44 GMT-03:00 Mark Millard mar...@dsl-only.net:

 Selecting to boot the CD for rescue-powerpc, selecting to not mount a
 root file system from the PowerMac, selecting to get to the shell, and
 typing

 find / -name fsadm -print

 does not find a fsadm anywhere.

 Naturally enough typing fsadm -h at the command prompt results in the
 message

 /bin/sh: fsadm: not found


   ===
 Mark Millard
 markmi at dsl-only.net

 On Jul 2, 2014, at 6:08 PM, Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote:

 can you report the outcome of

 fsadm -h

 Regards,

 Phill.


 On 3 July 2014 01:52, Mark Millard mar...@dsl-only.net wrote:

 I wanted to release about 45G Bytes of free space from a root file system
 that is in lvm and so I tried to use a CD built from
 lubuntu-14.04-alternate-powerpc.iso to do lvreduce --resizefs.
 Unfortunately the attempted use of lvreduce reports that it could not find
 fsadm (and fsadm is not in the live file system's /sbin/ with the lv*
 tools).

 Part of the purpose for rescue-powerpc (and the like) should be to do
 operations that can not be done with a live (root) filesystem.  Looks like
 this specific kind of example of that has been missed.

 I have not checked if other processor families have similar issues for
 their alternate CDs or if the issue is specific to lubuntu vs. existing
 in other ubuntu variants. Nor have I checked other types of .iso's for
 powerpc.

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Re: lubuntu-14.04-alternate-powerpc.iso missing fsadm so lvreduce --resizefs aborts...

[Andre Rodovalho]

The command is* sudo apt-get install **lvm2*

Sorry about the first email...


2014-07-03 0:08 GMT-03:00 Andre Rodovalho andre.rodova...@gmail.com:

 do a *sudo apt-get install fsadm*


 2014-07-02 22:44 GMT-03:00 Mark Millard mar...@dsl-only.net:

 Selecting to boot the CD for rescue-powerpc, selecting to not mount a
 root file system from the PowerMac, selecting to get to the shell, and
 typing

 find / -name fsadm -print

 does not find a fsadm anywhere.

 Naturally enough typing fsadm -h at the command prompt results in the
 message

 /bin/sh: fsadm: not found


   ===
 Mark Millard
 markmi at dsl-only.net

 On Jul 2, 2014, at 6:08 PM, Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote:

 can you report the outcome of

 fsadm -h

 Regards,

 Phill.


 On 3 July 2014 01:52, Mark Millard mar...@dsl-only.net wrote:

 I wanted to release about 45G Bytes of free space from a root file
 system that is in lvm and so I tried to use a CD built from
 lubuntu-14.04-alternate-powerpc.iso to do lvreduce --resizefs.
 Unfortunately the attempted use of lvreduce reports that it could not find
 fsadm (and fsadm is not in the live file system's /sbin/ with the lv*
 tools).

 Part of the purpose for rescue-powerpc (and the like) should be to do
 operations that can not be done with a live (root) filesystem.  Looks like
 this specific kind of example of that has been missed.

 I have not checked if other processor families have similar issues for
 their alternate CDs or if the issue is specific to lubuntu vs. existing
 in other ubuntu variants. Nor have I checked other types of .iso's for
 powerpc.

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Re: Lubuntu 14.04 Humming sound in Skype

[Iaups Aromaz]

Hi.

There are some help webpages for *buntu in Skype website. Have you read
this one yet?

https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA10964/how-do-i-adjust-the-sound-settings-on-my-computer-and-in-skype-for-linux

It recommends to install PulseAudio Volume Control (pavucontrol) which is
available in Lubuntu software center.

I suppose you use Skype 4.3, because Skype 4.2 does not require Pulse
Audio. Skype 4.3 works fine in my computer after installing pavucontrol and
changing some settings while I was doing a test call.


2014-06-25 22:41 GMT+02:00 John Niendorf j...@jfniendorf.org:

  Thanks Phill,

 I had already tried the webup8 suggestion before I mailed the list.
 The noobslab suggestion didn't work either.

 Right now, I don't have my headphones with me so I am trying to use the
 internal mike and speakers with Skype.

 I can see that Skype is running - the level indicator on the Pulse Audio
 applet shows movement.
 If I poke around I can get a hum to come out of the speakers, but nothing
 else.

 Other sound programs (cmus and YouTube viewed in Firefox are audible.
 This almost seems like there is some kind of problem due to the original
 Alsa components interfering with the PulseAudio stuff I installed.   The
 reason I installed Pulse Audio is that Skype said that my sound was
 controlled by Pulse Audio and the only thing I could find was the Pulse
 Audio demon that was running.

 Thank you,

 John

 On 06/25/2014 12:55 PM, Phill Whiteside wrote:

 Hi,

  have a read of
 http://www.webupd8.org/2013/10/get-sound-working-in-skype-with-ubuntu.html

  However, I've just installed skype using as set of instructions based
 around
 http://www.noobslab.com/2014/01/skype-released-new-version-install-in.html
 (The Qt bit is important).

  Regards,

  Phill.


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 Hi Guys,

 I recently bought a ZaReason Strata 7440.  I like the machine except I am
 having a lot of trouble with Skype.

 Initially there seemed to have been some Alsa utilities installed, but I
 couldn't find anything for pulseaudio.

 The sound on everything except Skype works.  Skype says that the sound
 devices are controlled by pulseaudio so I installed the Pulse Audio Device
 Chooser and can now access some pulseaudio settings.

 The problem is that the most I can get out of Skype is a nasty
 humming/hissing sound.

 The pulseaudio manager shows that Skype is on and the volume is up.
  Sound should be coming out of the speakers, but the most I can get is the
 hissing sound and that usually requires some fiddling with options.
 Does anyone have an idea of how I can fix this?

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Re: Lubuntu 14.04 Humming sound in Skype

[Phill Whiteside]

Hi,

have a read of
http://www.webupd8.org/2013/10/get-sound-working-in-skype-with-ubuntu.html

However, I've just installed skype using as set of instructions based
around
http://www.noobslab.com/2014/01/skype-released-new-version-install-in.html
(The Qt bit is important).

Regards,

Phill.


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 Hi Guys,

 I recently bought a ZaReason Strata 7440.  I like the machine except I am
 having a lot of trouble with Skype.

 Initially there seemed to have been some Alsa utilities installed, but I
 couldn't find anything for pulseaudio.

 The sound on everything except Skype works.  Skype says that the sound
 devices are controlled by pulseaudio so I installed the Pulse Audio Device
 Chooser and can now access some pulseaudio settings.

 The problem is that the most I can get out of Skype is a nasty
 humming/hissing sound.

 The pulseaudio manager shows that Skype is on and the volume is up.  Sound
 should be coming out of the speakers, but the most I can get is the hissing
 sound and that usually requires some fiddling with options.
 Does anyone have an idea of how I can fix this?

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Re: Lubuntu 14.04 for PPC NV driver

[Israel]

On 06/23/2014 03:00 AM, luca bellini wrote:
 Hi guys, 
 attached my mac G4, the only release that has worked is the YDL 6.2
 but is no longer maintained so it is useless to install it. 
 I tried the following ubuntu: 
 Lubuntu 14:04 
 Lubuntu 12:04 
 Lubuntu 10:04 

 apart the 10.04 that the only problem with me is that when you install
 an I / O on the hard disk of the other problems have the video card
 gives me a black screen 12.04 and 14.04 you load it goes into
 low-resolution and made ​​it impossible to continue with the installation.
 Sorry form my english.

 ...
Hi!
I had a black screen problem with a certain Nvidia driver in 13.10 (not
PowerPC).
I'd suggest you look at some of the WIKI
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ#What_yaboot_parameters_should_I_use_for_graphics_problems.3F

This is a catch all that works pretty well to get you booted.
Linux video=nomodeset

You can also look for an xorg file for your computer.
http://mac.linux.be/content/xorgconf-files
You can boot the LiveCD, and download the file, and save it as your
xorg.conf file and restart lightdm from a tty.  And your graphics will work.

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Lubuntu 14.04 for PPC NV driver

[Fritz Hudnut]

From: Israel israeld...@gmail.com

 On 06/19/2014 10:02 AM, luca bellini wrote:
  Hello everyone,
  the installation of Lubuntu 14:04 Desktop has serious problems on
  PowerPC G4 with Nvidia GeForce4 MX video card, the problem should
  involve the driver nouveau that do not work well, you should restore
  the old Nvidia drivers (NV). I also tried the disk Alternate but it
  is not loaded at boot time (this remains a mystery). So I do not know
  what else I can do 
  Greetings.
 
 
 Hi, sorry you are having issues.
 You might try using this xorg.conf file

 http://mac.linux.be/content/xorgconf-powerbook-g41ghz-17-inch-nvidia-geforce-440-go-64mb-lucid-lynx
 Let us know how it goes!
 If that isn't your exact device... take a look at
 http://mac.linux.be/content/xorgconf-files
 This is a very helpful resource.

 It is helpful to describe what 'serious problems' means.  Can you boot?
 what does the screen look like?  Is it simply black?

 You may need a yaboot parameter, or to download the proprietary nvidia
 drivers.  nouveau is focusing on newer cards, so the older ones may not
 work anymore...

 hope this helps!

 --
 Regards

=
@Luca  Israel:

Wanted to follow up on this, because this area is one of the critical
points for PPC users of machines that have the Nvidia card--and somewhere,
perhaps on the Apple Users 'Buntu forum, I saw/read that the NV module??
was no longer provided in the 14.04 install??  Or no longer supported or
find-able . . . .

I was given the links to a wiki on how to do a retro-install of nv for my
G4 iMac 800 MHz about two years ago, and the nv driver provides the best
clarity for the GUI desktop, although before I got the nv driver set up, I
think the fbdev driver was OK . . . .  The driver does have to be
indicated on the config file . . . but, if they aren't installed or no
longer available (I also heard/saw that the fbdev driver is not
supported??? in 14.04??) . . . that might be an insurmountable problem
for PPC users . . . such as myself  my iMac . . . ???  It sort of casts
doubt on the intention of 'Buntu's to provide a system for PPC for too much
longer??  Possibly the 14.04 driver update app would be able to find and
install an adequate video driver, but if not . . . the dreaded black
screen, or worse, the 1/3 green/2/3 black screen . . . fading into a
mottled black screen . . . are the resulting outcomes to the wrong driver .
. . .  And then typing in a TTY window that can't be seen can be the
conditions that one works in until the right driver is found, etc.

I'm still waiting to see if the 14.04.1 system will be an easy install on
my iBook with a radeon driver, although, even that computer, which was a
completely trouble free install for 12.04 . . . now, apparently needs some
boot parameters . . . because radeon drivers are now not supported??  The
G4 PPC machines are still running fine, and are still roughly within a
decade in age . . . Apple dropped them like a hot stone . . . seems like
there should be a way to get the 14.04 PPC system to actually run PPC
computers without going through what I did to retro-install NV . . . but
now we can't even do that?  I'm thinking that the iMac will remain in
12.04/OSX 10.4.11 for the remainder of it's service lifespan . . . .
possibly the iBook might make it to 14.04, but with my testing of the Lubun
14 LiveDVD there were problems with dragging windows and slow scrolling,
etc--it was rough for the iBook.  Can anyone comment about whether the NV
driver could still be found, retro-installed and used for Nvidia running
PPC units??

F/e.e.p.
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Re: Lubuntu 14.04 for PPC NV driver

[Israel]

On 06/22/2014 07:22 PM, Fritz Hudnut wrote:


 From: Israel israeld...@gmail.com mailto:israeld...@gmail.com

 On 06/19/2014 10:02 AM, luca bellini wrote:
  Hello everyone,
  the installation of Lubuntu 14:04 Desktop has serious problems on
  PowerPC G4 with Nvidia GeForce4 MX video card, the problem should
  involve the driver nouveau that do not work well, you should
 restore
  the old Nvidia drivers (NV). I also tried the disk Alternate
 but it
  is not loaded at boot time (this remains a mystery). So I do not
 know
  what else I can do 
  Greetings.
 
 
 Hi, sorry you are having issues.
 You might try using this xorg.conf file
 
 http://mac.linux.be/content/xorgconf-powerbook-g41ghz-17-inch-nvidia-geforce-440-go-64mb-lucid-lynx
 Let us know how it goes!
 If that isn't your exact device... take a look at
 http://mac.linux.be/content/xorgconf-files
 This is a very helpful resource.

 It is helpful to describe what 'serious problems' means.  Can you
 boot?
 what does the screen look like?  Is it simply black?

 You may need a yaboot parameter, or to download the proprietary nvidia
 drivers.  nouveau is focusing on newer cards, so the older ones
 may not
 work anymore...

 hope this helps!

 --
 Regards

 =
 @Luca  Israel:

 Wanted to follow up on this, because this area is one of the critical
 points for PPC users of machines that have the Nvidia card--and
 somewhere, perhaps on the Apple Users 'Buntu forum, I saw/read that
 the NV module?? was no longer provided in the 14.04 install??  Or no
 longer supported or find-able . . . . 

 I was given the links to a wiki on how to do a retro-install of nv
 for my G4 iMac 800 MHz about two years ago, and the nv driver provides
 the best clarity for the GUI desktop, although before I got the nv
 driver set up, I think the fbdev driver was OK . . . .  The driver
 does have to be indicated on the config file . . . but, if they aren't
 installed or no longer available (I also heard/saw that the fbdev
 driver is not supported??? in 14.04??) . . . that might be an
 insurmountable problem for PPC users . . . such as myself  my iMac
 . . . ???  It sort of casts doubt on the intention of 'Buntu's to
 provide a system for PPC for too much longer??  Possibly the 14.04
 driver update app would be able to find and install an adequate
 video driver, but if not . . . the dreaded black screen, or worse, the
 1/3 green/2/3 black screen . . . fading into a mottled black screen .
 . . are the resulting outcomes to the wrong driver . . . .  And then
 typing in a TTY window that can't be seen can be the conditions that
 one works in until the right driver is found, etc.

 I'm still waiting to see if the 14.04.1 system will be an easy install
 on my iBook with a radeon driver, although, even that computer, which
 was a completely trouble free install for 12.04 . . . now, apparently
 needs some boot parameters . . . because radeon drivers are now not
 supported??  The G4 PPC machines are still running fine, and are still
 roughly within a decade in age . . . Apple dropped them like a hot
 stone . . . seems like there should be a way to get the 14.04 PPC
 system to actually run PPC computers without going through what I did
 to retro-install NV . . . but now we can't even do that?  I'm
 thinking that the iMac will remain in 12.04/OSX 10.4.11 for the
 remainder of it's service lifespan . . . . possibly the iBook might
 make it to 14.04, but with my testing of the Lubun 14 LiveDVD there
 were problems with dragging windows and slow scrolling, etc--it was
 rough for the iBook.  Can anyone comment about whether the NV driver
 could still be found, retro-installed and used for Nvidia running
 PPC units??

 F/e.e.p.





I'd test it first.  There is a problem with the hardware detection
(inherited from Debian).
The sound *may* or *may not* work without some tweaking... it is a rough
road being a PPC user  But Lubuntu looks great on it!

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Lubuntu 14.04 fro PPC

[luca bellini]

Hello everyone,
the installation of Lubuntu 14:04 Desktop has serious problems on PowerPC
G4 with Nvidia GeForce4 MX video card, the problem should involve the
driver nouveau that do not work well, you should restore the old Nvidia
drivers (NV). I also tried the disk Alternate but it is not loaded at
boot time (this remains a mystery). So I do not know what else I can do

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Re: Keyboard problems with Lubuntu 14.04

[Kjetil brinchmann Halvorsen]

Thanks!

That did the trick. I used the workaround, from that page, typing in emacs
Ctr-X 8 RET  RET

and then the missing diacritical marks reappear!

Kjetil


On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 5:31 PM, Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote:


 On 3 June 2014 16:24, Kjetil brinchmann Halvorsen kjetil1...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 emacs


 Hi Kjetil,

 can you take a look at
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/emacs-snapshot/+bug/1251176

 As I don't use accents, I'm not sure if that is your bug and if the any
 suggested work arounds help you out. If it is the same bug, click on
 'affects me' so that you add to bug heat and receive any updates to the bug.

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Re: Keyboard problems with Lubuntu 14.04

[Phill Whiteside]

Great to hear,

As the bug does have an assignee, a polite email to him will let you know
of any time scale he has for a fix.

Regards,

Phill.


On 11 June 2014 15:40, Kjetil brinchmann Halvorsen kjetil1...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Thanks!

 That did the trick. I used the workaround, from that page, typing in emacs
 Ctr-X 8 RET  RET

 and then the missing diacritical marks reappear!

 Kjetil


 On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 5:31 PM, Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote:


 On 3 June 2014 16:24, Kjetil brinchmann Halvorsen kjetil1...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 emacs


 Hi Kjetil,

 can you take a look at
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/emacs-snapshot/+bug/1251176

 As I don't use accents, I'm not sure if that is your bug and if the any
 suggested work arounds help you out. If it is the same bug, click on
 'affects me' so that you add to bug heat and receive any updates to the bug.

 Regards,

 Phill.
 P.S. do please reply as to how you get on, I can do some further digging
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Keyboard problems with Lubuntu 14.04

[Kjetil brinchmann Halvorsen]

I discovered this problems while (trying to) use LaTeX (within emacs).

I have a pc with spanish (latin american) keyboard, and three keypads
installed: spanish, norwegian, US

When using spanisk keypad, I cannot type circumflex!!! (used in LaTeX for
powers, like x-squared).  When I try to type that in emacs, I get:

dead-circumflex is undefined

What to do?  Several other symbols are also missing!

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Re: Keyboard problems with Lubuntu 14.04

[Andre Rodovalho]

Can you see circumflex usign leafpad? Did you type Circumflex then Space?


2014-06-03 8:53 GMT-03:00 Kjetil brinchmann Halvorsen kjetil1...@gmail.com
:

 I discovered this problems while (trying to) use LaTeX (within emacs).

 I have a pc with spanish (latin american) keyboard, and three keypads
 installed: spanish, norwegian, US

 When using spanisk keypad, I cannot type circumflex!!! (used in LaTeX for
 powers, like x-squared).  When I try to type that in emacs, I get:

 dead-circumflex is undefined

 What to do?  Several other symbols are also missing!

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Re: Keyboard problems with Lubuntu 14.04

[Kjetil brinchmann Halvorsen]

Yes, I can see circumflex using leafpad, but I must type it twice to see
one!  That trick does not work in emacs.

Kjetil


On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 5:07 PM, Andre Rodovalho andre.rodova...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Can you see circumflex usign leafpad? Did you type Circumflex then Space?


 2014-06-03 8:53 GMT-03:00 Kjetil brinchmann Halvorsen 
 kjetil1...@gmail.com:

 I discovered this problems while (trying to) use LaTeX (within emacs).

  I have a pc with spanish (latin american) keyboard, and three keypads
 installed: spanish, norwegian, US

 When using spanisk keypad, I cannot type circumflex!!! (used in LaTeX for
 powers, like x-squared).  When I try to type that in emacs, I get:

 dead-circumflex is undefined

 What to do?  Several other symbols are also missing!

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Re: Keyboard problems with Lubuntu 14.04

[Phill Whiteside]

On 3 June 2014 16:24, Kjetil brinchmann Halvorsen kjetil1...@gmail.com
wrote:

 emacs


Hi Kjetil,

can you take a look at
https://bugs.launchpad.net/emacs-snapshot/+bug/1251176

As I don't use accents, I'm not sure if that is your bug and if the any
suggested work arounds help you out. If it is the same bug, click on
'affects me' so that you add to bug heat and receive any updates to the bug.

Regards,

Phill.
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OBI tarball for Lubuntu 14.04 LTS with PhillW's non-pae kernel

[Nio Wiklund]

Hi everybody,

A new tarball for the One Button Installer is created from Lubuntu 14.04
with 32-bit non-pae and 32-bit generit (pae) kernels with OEM style
installation.

Lubuntu_14.04oem-npae.tar.xz # in OEM mode, password: 123456

Download it via the One Button Installer or use this link

http://phillw.net/isos/one-button-installer

This tarball contains PhillW's 32-bit non-pae kernel and can be used
with most Intel/AMD CPUs including Pentium M and Celeron M processors.
The non-pae kernel does not manage memory above 2 GB well (but it is
seldom a problem with old hardware). The generic (pae) kernel is better
when there is more than 2 GB RAM.

Find more details about this tarball at

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OBI/Lubuntu_14.04_OEM-nonPAE

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Re: On Lubuntu 14.04, No Wireless on 2 machines that wireless worked on 13.10

[Aere Greenway]

On 05/08/2014 03:47 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote:

When you started nm-applet (and it wouldn't work), did you run it with
or without gksudo? Try with gksudo, if it you didn't.

Nio:

I would tell you precisely, but I can only reproduce the problem by 
running the live CD or live USB, and on those (test) systems, I don't 
have access to my e-mail when I do that.


I did not use a command-line interface to access it (I avoid that if at 
all possible).


I right-clicked on the panel (in an area without any icon, and chose 
Add/Remove Panel Items from the pop-up menu.


I then clicked the Add button of the Panel Preferences window that 
appeared (with the Panel Applets tab selected).  I don't normally have 
to do this, because the network (or wireless) icon is already in the 
panel when the live CD (or USB) finishes booting.


I then selected Manage Networks from the list of available plugins, 
and clicked the Add button.


I then selected Network Status Monitor from the list of available 
plugins, and clicked the Add button.


Then I fumbled around with those additional applets, right or left 
clicking on them, and in one combination, I actually got a list of 
wireless networks, of which I selected my network, and tried to connect 
to it (by clicking on it?).


A simple dialog appeared, asking me to enter the Encryption key in a 
text box, which I carefully typed in (because I can't see what I'm 
typing), and hit the enter-key (or clicked the button to process the 
information).


Nothing appeared to happen.  There was no error message, but the network 
did not connect, and the icon didn't change in any way indicating it was 
trying to connect.


With that not working, I specified System Tools (or maybe it was 
Preferences) from the task-bar menu, and then selected Network 
Connections (or something like that).


That yielded a simple dialog with 3 tabs, and nothing like what I've 
used in the past to configure a wireless network.  In that simple 
dialog, I did not discover anything that would let me configure a 
wireless network.


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Re: On Lubuntu 14.04, No Wireless on 2 machines that wireless worked on 13.10

[Nio Wiklund]

2014-05-08 18:31, Aere Greenway skrev:
 On 05/08/2014 03:47 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote:
 When you started nm-applet (and it wouldn't work), did you run it with
 or without gksudo? Try with gksudo, if it you didn't.
 Nio:
 
 I would tell you precisely, but I can only reproduce the problem by
 running the live CD or live USB, and on those (test) systems, I don't
 have access to my e-mail when I do that.
 
 I did not use a command-line interface to access it (I avoid that if at
 all possible).
 
 I right-clicked on the panel (in an area without any icon, and chose
 Add/Remove Panel Items from the pop-up menu.
 
 I then clicked the Add button of the Panel Preferences window that
 appeared (with the Panel Applets tab selected).  I don't normally have
 to do this, because the network (or wireless) icon is already in the
 panel when the live CD (or USB) finishes booting.
 
 I then selected Manage Networks from the list of available plugins,
 and clicked the Add button.
 
 I then selected Network Status Monitor from the list of available
 plugins, and clicked the Add button.
 
 Then I fumbled around with those additional applets, right or left
 clicking on them, and in one combination, I actually got a list of
 wireless networks, of which I selected my network, and tried to connect
 to it (by clicking on it?).
 
 A simple dialog appeared, asking me to enter the Encryption key in a
 text box, which I carefully typed in (because I can't see what I'm
 typing), and hit the enter-key (or clicked the button to process the
 information).
 
 Nothing appeared to happen.  There was no error message, but the network
 did not connect, and the icon didn't change in any way indicating it was
 trying to connect.
 
 With that not working, I specified System Tools (or maybe it was
 Preferences) from the task-bar menu, and then selected Network
 Connections (or something like that).
 
 That yielded a simple dialog with 3 tabs, and nothing like what I've
 used in the past to configure a wireless network.  In that simple
 dialog, I did not discover anything that would let me configure a
 wireless network.
 
Hi again Aere,

It works for me with

gksudo nm-applet 

from a terminal window in Lubuntu 14.04 LTS. This is 'a tweak' included
in the OBI tarball described here

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2172971p=13016768#post13016768

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Re: On Lubuntu 14.04, No Wireless on 2 machines that wireless worked on 13.10

[Pierre Gobin]

Le 08/05/2014 18:49, Nio Wiklund a écrit :

2014-05-08 18:31, Aere Greenway skrev:

On 05/08/2014 03:47 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote:

When you started nm-applet (and it wouldn't work), did you run it with
or without gksudo? Try with gksudo, if it you didn't.

Nio:

I would tell you precisely, but I can only reproduce the problem by
running the live CD or live USB, and on those (test) systems, I don't
have access to my e-mail when I do that.

I did not use a command-line interface to access it (I avoid that if at
all possible).

I right-clicked on the panel (in an area without any icon, and chose
Add/Remove Panel Items from the pop-up menu.

I then clicked the Add button of the Panel Preferences window that
appeared (with the Panel Applets tab selected).  I don't normally have
to do this, because the network (or wireless) icon is already in the
panel when the live CD (or USB) finishes booting.

I then selected Manage Networks from the list of available plugins,
and clicked the Add button.

I then selected Network Status Monitor from the list of available
plugins, and clicked the Add button.

Then I fumbled around with those additional applets, right or left
clicking on them, and in one combination, I actually got a list of
wireless networks, of which I selected my network, and tried to connect
to it (by clicking on it?).

A simple dialog appeared, asking me to enter the Encryption key in a
text box, which I carefully typed in (because I can't see what I'm
typing), and hit the enter-key (or clicked the button to process the
information).

Nothing appeared to happen.  There was no error message, but the network
did not connect, and the icon didn't change in any way indicating it was
trying to connect.

With that not working, I specified System Tools (or maybe it was
Preferences) from the task-bar menu, and then selected Network
Connections (or something like that).

That yielded a simple dialog with 3 tabs, and nothing like what I've
used in the past to configure a wireless network.  In that simple
dialog, I did not discover anything that would let me configure a
wireless network.


Hi again Aere,

It works for me with

gksudo nm-applet 

from a terminal window in Lubuntu 14.04 LTS. This is 'a tweak' included
in the OBI tarball described here

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2172971p=13016768#post13016768

Best regards
Nio



I saw many users with problems to connect to networks after running 
nm-applet with root permissions.


To have nm-applet at startup, I only added nm-applet in Default apps 
for LXSession, in the tab Autostart. This solved the problem.


Regards,
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Re: On Lubuntu 14.04, No Wireless on 2 machines that wireless worked on 13.10

[Aere Greenway]

Nio:

I just ran the live CD on my primary system, and saw that when it 
finishes initializing, there is no network applet in the task-bar, even 
though there was a working ethernet cable connection.  The lack of that 
applet is probably what causes the problem.


I think my problem, was that instead of selecting (from the task-bar 
menu) Preferences, and Network Connections (which does have 
something for configuring a wireless network), I selected System Tools 
and Network, which yields a dialog that does not appear to be useful 
in any way for configuring a wireless network.


I will try selecting Preferences, and Network Connections on my HP 
Mini, and see if that lets me configure a wireless network, and then 
report back.


For my software application (my main focus), I will not recommend that 
my users use a command-line interface, unless there is absolutely no 
other way of doing it.  If that is the only way of using Lubuntu, I will 
not recommend that they use Lubuntu (though they are free to use it on 
their own).


- Aere


On 05/08/2014 10:49 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote:

2014-05-08 18:31, Aere Greenway skrev:

On 05/08/2014 03:47 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote:

When you started nm-applet (and it wouldn't work), did you run it with
or without gksudo? Try with gksudo, if it you didn't.

Nio:

I would tell you precisely, but I can only reproduce the problem by
running the live CD or live USB, and on those (test) systems, I don't
have access to my e-mail when I do that.

I did not use a command-line interface to access it (I avoid that if at
all possible).

I right-clicked on the panel (in an area without any icon, and chose
Add/Remove Panel Items from the pop-up menu.

I then clicked the Add button of the Panel Preferences window that
appeared (with the Panel Applets tab selected).  I don't normally have
to do this, because the network (or wireless) icon is already in the
panel when the live CD (or USB) finishes booting.

I then selected Manage Networks from the list of available plugins,
and clicked the Add button.

I then selected Network Status Monitor from the list of available
plugins, and clicked the Add button.

Then I fumbled around with those additional applets, right or left
clicking on them, and in one combination, I actually got a list of
wireless networks, of which I selected my network, and tried to connect
to it (by clicking on it?).

A simple dialog appeared, asking me to enter the Encryption key in a
text box, which I carefully typed in (because I can't see what I'm
typing), and hit the enter-key (or clicked the button to process the
information).

Nothing appeared to happen.  There was no error message, but the network
did not connect, and the icon didn't change in any way indicating it was
trying to connect.

With that not working, I specified System Tools (or maybe it was
Preferences) from the task-bar menu, and then selected Network
Connections (or something like that).

That yielded a simple dialog with 3 tabs, and nothing like what I've
used in the past to configure a wireless network.  In that simple
dialog, I did not discover anything that would let me configure a
wireless network.


Hi again Aere,

It works for me with

gksudo nm-applet 

from a terminal window in Lubuntu 14.04 LTS. This is 'a tweak' included
in the OBI tarball described here

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2172971p=13016768#post13016768

Best regards
Nio




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Re: On Lubuntu 14.04, No Wireless on 2 machines that wireless worked on 13.10

[Nio Wiklund]

2014-05-08 19:05, Pierre Gobin skrev:
 
 Le 08/05/2014 18:49, Nio Wiklund a écrit :
 2014-05-08 18:31, Aere Greenway skrev:
 On 05/08/2014 03:47 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote:
 When you started nm-applet (and it wouldn't work), did you run it with
 or without gksudo? Try with gksudo, if it you didn't.
 Nio:

 I would tell you precisely, but I can only reproduce the problem by
 running the live CD or live USB, and on those (test) systems, I don't
 have access to my e-mail when I do that.

 I did not use a command-line interface to access it (I avoid that if at
 all possible).

 I right-clicked on the panel (in an area without any icon, and chose
 Add/Remove Panel Items from the pop-up menu.

 I then clicked the Add button of the Panel Preferences window that
 appeared (with the Panel Applets tab selected).  I don't normally have
 to do this, because the network (or wireless) icon is already in the
 panel when the live CD (or USB) finishes booting.

 I then selected Manage Networks from the list of available plugins,
 and clicked the Add button.

 I then selected Network Status Monitor from the list of available
 plugins, and clicked the Add button.

 Then I fumbled around with those additional applets, right or left
 clicking on them, and in one combination, I actually got a list of
 wireless networks, of which I selected my network, and tried to connect
 to it (by clicking on it?).

 A simple dialog appeared, asking me to enter the Encryption key in a
 text box, which I carefully typed in (because I can't see what I'm
 typing), and hit the enter-key (or clicked the button to process the
 information).

 Nothing appeared to happen.  There was no error message, but the network
 did not connect, and the icon didn't change in any way indicating it was
 trying to connect.

 With that not working, I specified System Tools (or maybe it was
 Preferences) from the task-bar menu, and then selected Network
 Connections (or something like that).

 That yielded a simple dialog with 3 tabs, and nothing like what I've
 used in the past to configure a wireless network.  In that simple
 dialog, I did not discover anything that would let me configure a
 wireless network.

 Hi again Aere,

 It works for me with

 gksudo nm-applet 

 from a terminal window in Lubuntu 14.04 LTS. This is 'a tweak' included
 in the OBI tarball described here

 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2172971p=13016768#post13016768

 Best regards
 Nio

 
 I saw many users with problems to connect to networks after running
 nm-applet with root permissions.
 
 To have nm-applet at startup, I only added nm-applet in Default apps
 for LXSession, in the tab Autostart. This solved the problem.
 
 Regards,
 Pierre Gobin
 
 
Hi Pierre,

This is quite messy. How come it works better with root permissions in
some cases and without root permissions in other cases?

Anyway I will try your solution and let you know the result.

Best regards
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Re: On Lubuntu 14.04, No Wireless on 2 machines that wireless worked on 13.10

[Aere Greenway]

On 05/08/2014 11:05 AM, Pierre Gobin wrote:
I saw many users with problems to connect to networks after running 
nm-applet with root permissions.


To have nm-applet at startup, I only added nm-applet in Default 
apps for LXSession, in the tab Autostart. This solved the problem.

Pierre:

This looks like a proper solution.  I will check it out.  I suspect it 
will not work with the live CD, though.  Certainly with a live USB with 
a persistence-file.


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Re: On Lubuntu 14.04, No Wireless on 2 machines that wireless worked on 13.10

[Nio Wiklund]

2014-05-08 19:16, Nio Wiklund skrev:
 2014-05-08 19:05, Pierre Gobin skrev:

 Le 08/05/2014 18:49, Nio Wiklund a écrit :
 2014-05-08 18:31, Aere Greenway skrev:
 On 05/08/2014 03:47 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote:
 When you started nm-applet (and it wouldn't work), did you run it with
 or without gksudo? Try with gksudo, if it you didn't.
 Nio:

 I would tell you precisely, but I can only reproduce the problem by
 running the live CD or live USB, and on those (test) systems, I don't
 have access to my e-mail when I do that.

 I did not use a command-line interface to access it (I avoid that if at
 all possible).

 I right-clicked on the panel (in an area without any icon, and chose
 Add/Remove Panel Items from the pop-up menu.

 I then clicked the Add button of the Panel Preferences window that
 appeared (with the Panel Applets tab selected).  I don't normally have
 to do this, because the network (or wireless) icon is already in the
 panel when the live CD (or USB) finishes booting.

 I then selected Manage Networks from the list of available plugins,
 and clicked the Add button.

 I then selected Network Status Monitor from the list of available
 plugins, and clicked the Add button.

 Then I fumbled around with those additional applets, right or left
 clicking on them, and in one combination, I actually got a list of
 wireless networks, of which I selected my network, and tried to connect
 to it (by clicking on it?).

 A simple dialog appeared, asking me to enter the Encryption key in a
 text box, which I carefully typed in (because I can't see what I'm
 typing), and hit the enter-key (or clicked the button to process the
 information).

 Nothing appeared to happen.  There was no error message, but the network
 did not connect, and the icon didn't change in any way indicating it was
 trying to connect.

 With that not working, I specified System Tools (or maybe it was
 Preferences) from the task-bar menu, and then selected Network
 Connections (or something like that).

 That yielded a simple dialog with 3 tabs, and nothing like what I've
 used in the past to configure a wireless network.  In that simple
 dialog, I did not discover anything that would let me configure a
 wireless network.

 Hi again Aere,

 It works for me with

 gksudo nm-applet 

 from a terminal window in Lubuntu 14.04 LTS. This is 'a tweak' included
 in the OBI tarball described here

 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2172971p=13016768#post13016768

 Best regards
 Nio


 I saw many users with problems to connect to networks after running
 nm-applet with root permissions.

 To have nm-applet at startup, I only added nm-applet in Default apps
 for LXSession, in the tab Autostart. This solved the problem.

 Regards,
 Pierre Gobin


 Hi Pierre,
 
 This is quite messy. How come it works better with root permissions in
 some cases and without root permissions in other cases?
 
 Anyway I will try your solution and let you know the result.
 
 Best regards
 Nio
 
Hi again Pierre,

I tested in a one year old Toshiba laptop, and your method works. It
stores the text nm-applet in

.config/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart

which is straight-forward. So at least in this computer, both methods
seem to work, and then it is better to avoid root permissions.

Best regards
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Re: On Lubuntu 14.04, No Wireless on 2 machines that wireless worked on 13.10

[Aere Greenway]

Pierre  Nio:

I tested several things.

First, I selected (from the main menu) Preferences...Network 
Connections, which brought up a configuration tool that allowed me to 
successfully configure my wireless network.


The nm-applet in the task-bar (inserted by right clicking on the panel) 
shows the connected network, but it is the version (without 
root-permissions) that can't do anything useful.


But the network worked, and I was able to install Lubuntu 14.04 
successfully.


On re-booting the installed system, there was no wireless because of the 
lack of the b43 installer package.


So to get network access to install the b43 package, I plugged in the 
wireless dongle, and used Nio's method (running from a terminal), which 
put the network applet in the task-bar, and it was the good version, so 
I could configure it.


I installed the b43 Installer package, then re-booted.

On rebooting, there was no network applet in the task-bar, so I used 
Pierre's method to insert it (and now it appears in the task-bar after 
re-boot).


I then downloaded updates, and everything is working fine.

I prefer Pierre's work-around, because it is permanent, and is easier to 
document for users than Nio's method.


If this problem is fixed before Lubuntu 14.04.1 comes out (in July?), 
will the ISO image downloaded include the fix, or will users have to 
work-around the problem for the life of 14.04?


- Aere

On 05/08/2014 11:05 AM, Pierre Gobin wrote:


Le 08/05/2014 18:49, Nio Wiklund a écrit :

2014-05-08 18:31, Aere Greenway skrev:

On 05/08/2014 03:47 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote:

When you started nm-applet (and it wouldn't work), did you run it with
or without gksudo? Try with gksudo, if it you didn't.

Nio:

I would tell you precisely, but I can only reproduce the problem by
running the live CD or live USB, and on those (test) systems, I don't
have access to my e-mail when I do that.

I did not use a command-line interface to access it (I avoid that if at
all possible).

I right-clicked on the panel (in an area without any icon, and chose
Add/Remove Panel Items from the pop-up menu.

I then clicked the Add button of the Panel Preferences window that
appeared (with the Panel Applets tab selected).  I don't normally 
have

to do this, because the network (or wireless) icon is already in the
panel when the live CD (or USB) finishes booting.

I then selected Manage Networks from the list of available plugins,
and clicked the Add button.

I then selected Network Status Monitor from the list of available
plugins, and clicked the Add button.

Then I fumbled around with those additional applets, right or left
clicking on them, and in one combination, I actually got a list of
wireless networks, of which I selected my network, and tried to connect
to it (by clicking on it?).

A simple dialog appeared, asking me to enter the Encryption key in a
text box, which I carefully typed in (because I can't see what I'm
typing), and hit the enter-key (or clicked the button to process the
information).

Nothing appeared to happen.  There was no error message, but the 
network
did not connect, and the icon didn't change in any way indicating it 
was

trying to connect.

With that not working, I specified System Tools (or maybe it was
Preferences) from the task-bar menu, and then selected Network
Connections (or something like that).

That yielded a simple dialog with 3 tabs, and nothing like what I've
used in the past to configure a wireless network.  In that simple
dialog, I did not discover anything that would let me configure a
wireless network.


Hi again Aere,

It works for me with

gksudo nm-applet 

from a terminal window in Lubuntu 14.04 LTS. This is 'a tweak' included
in the OBI tarball described here

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2172971p=13016768#post13016768

Best regards
Nio



I saw many users with problems to connect to networks after running 
nm-applet with root permissions.


To have nm-applet at startup, I only added nm-applet in Default 
apps for LXSession, in the tab Autostart. This solved the problem.


Regards,
Pierre Gobin





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Re: On Lubuntu 14.04, No Wireless on 2 machines that wireless

[farinet]

lubuntu-users-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com:
 Hi Pierre,
 
 This is quite messy. How come it works better with root permissions in
 some cases and without root permissions in other cases?
 
 Anyway I will try your solution and let you know the result.
 
 Best regards
 Nio

I had the same problem installing lubuntu 14.04 on a samsung 535-u3c
(with an atheros chip). Solved it brutally by the installation of ceni
(and sincewhen that worked, i purge network-manager completely). It's
not the correct way, i know, but it was one.

May be someone would be able to test, if wicd creates the same trouble.
If not, why not going that way?

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Re: On Lubuntu 14.04, No Wireless on 2 machines that wireless

[Israel]

On 05/08/2014 03:43 PM, fari...@arcor.de wrote:
 lubuntu-users-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com:
 Hi Pierre,

 This is quite messy. How come it works better with root permissions in
 some cases and without root permissions in other cases?

 Anyway I will try your solution and let you know the result.

 Best regards
 Nio
 I had the same problem installing lubuntu 14.04 on a samsung 535-u3c
 (with an atheros chip). Solved it brutally by the installation of ceni
 (and sincewhen that worked, i purge network-manager completely). It's
 not the correct way, i know, but it was one.

 May be someone would be able to test, if wicd creates the same trouble.
 If not, why not going that way?

 Cheers.

Hi, I think the way I did it was running
nm-applet disown
from the terminal.
Everyone that uses the terminal as much as I do will highly appreciate
the disown thing.
This way you can close the terminal and NOT kill the process you just
started.

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On Lubuntu 14.04, No Wireless on 2 machines that wireless worked on 13.10

[Aere Greenway]

All:

I attempted to install Lubuntu 14.04 on two more of my test machines, 
and could not do it in both cases.


In the first machine, the live CD booted, but there was nothing in the 
task-bar indicating a wireless network was present, though it booted 
with a wireless dongle plugged-in that has always worked out-of-the-box.


I put the 'manage networks' applet in the task-bar, but it seemed aware 
only of ethernet (which was not connected).


I took out the better wireless dongle, and plugged in another wireless 
dongle that always worked out-of-the-box in past levels.


Still there was no wireless indication.

I put the 'network status monitor' applet in the task-bar, but still no 
indication of any wireless.


By clicking in some manner (I don't know whether left, or right), I got 
a small dialog box showing a few wireless networks, and clicked on mine, 
and it asked for an 'encryption password' (or something like that).  I 
entered my WEP hex code of my wireless network, but nothing came active.


The window I entered it in looks different than any of the 
wireless/network windows I have worked with before.


So on the first machine, I was unable to install because I could not 
connect to the Internet (it depends on the wireless dongle for that).


By the way, I had no problem installing Lubuntu 14.04 with that same 
wireless dongle on 3 other machines.  I have no idea why the same 
wireless dongle does not initialize on that particular machine.


On booting another partition of that same machine (Ubuntu 14.04), the 
same wireless dongle performed perfectly, so it wasn't a problem with 
the USB plug-in of the dongle, or with the dongle itself.


I later tried to install Lubuntu 14.04 on HP Mini netbook, and on 
booting the live USB, like the prior case, there is no wireless indication.


The md5sum matches on the ISO file I created the live CD from (and also 
the live USB).


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Re: On Lubuntu 14.04, No Wireless on 2 machines that wireless worked on 13.10

[Israel]

Hey Aere,  some quick clarification questions...
Did you test this Dongle with Ubuntu Studio 14.04 (or one of the other
respins?)
Did you say that those dongles worked on *some* machines with 14.04 but
not the other machines?
If that is the case... my initial guess is it could possibly be the USB.
If it works on some machines... they may have a USB 2.0 port and you are
using a USB 2.0 Dongle
It wont work on another machine because it has a USB 1.0 port, and the
dongle needs more juice to work right..

Not entirely sure if this is the case... just a quick thought related to
a problem I had earlier...
The command:
lsusb
Will tell you about your USB ports...
look for something with
2.0 root hub


On 05/07/2014 08:42 PM, Aere Greenway wrote:
 All:

 I attempted to install Lubuntu 14.04 on two more of my test machines,
 and could not do it in both cases.

 In the first machine, the live CD booted, but there was nothing in the
 task-bar indicating a wireless network was present, though it booted
 with a wireless dongle plugged-in that has always worked out-of-the-box.

 I put the 'manage networks' applet in the task-bar, but it seemed
 aware only of ethernet (which was not connected).

 I took out the better wireless dongle, and plugged in another wireless
 dongle that always worked out-of-the-box in past levels.

 Still there was no wireless indication.

 I put the 'network status monitor' applet in the task-bar, but still
 no indication of any wireless.

 By clicking in some manner (I don't know whether left, or right), I
 got a small dialog box showing a few wireless networks, and clicked on
 mine, and it asked for an 'encryption password' (or something like
 that).  I entered my WEP hex code of my wireless network, but nothing
 came active.

 The window I entered it in looks different than any of the
 wireless/network windows I have worked with before.

 So on the first machine, I was unable to install because I could not
 connect to the Internet (it depends on the wireless dongle for that).

 By the way, I had no problem installing Lubuntu 14.04 with that same
 wireless dongle on 3 other machines.  I have no idea why the same
 wireless dongle does not initialize on that particular machine.

 On booting another partition of that same machine (Ubuntu 14.04), the
 same wireless dongle performed perfectly, so it wasn't a problem with
 the USB plug-in of the dongle, or with the dongle itself.

 I later tried to install Lubuntu 14.04 on HP Mini netbook, and on
 booting the live USB, like the prior case, there is no wireless
 indication.

 The md5sum matches on the ISO file I created the live CD from (and
 also the live USB).

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Re: On Lubuntu 14.04, No Wireless on 2 machines that wireless worked on 13.10

[Aere Greenway]

On 05/07/2014 07:50 PM, Israel wrote:
Did you test this Dongle with Ubuntu Studio 14.04 (or one of the other 
respins?)
Did you say that those dongles worked on *some* machines with 14.04 
but not the other machines?

If that is the case... my initial guess is it could possibly be the USB.
If it works on some machines... they may have a USB 2.0 port and you 
are using a USB 2.0 Dongle
It wont work on another machine because it has a USB 1.0 port, and the 
dongle needs more juice to work right..

Israel:

On the machine it failed on, all of the USB ports are USB 2.0.

On the machines it worked on, it was always in a USB 2.0 port.

It worked on Lubuntu 14.04, UbuntuStudio 14.04, and Xubuntu 14.04 (even 
on my slow 450 megahertz machine).


I remembered the HP Mini needed the b43 installer package, so I booted 
the Live USB on a machine with an ethernet connection, and installed the 
b43 package.


Later, I booted the USB on the HP Mini, and it seemed to see the 
internal wireless, and on clicking on it in some way, I got it to show 
wireless networks in-range, but on clicking on my network (and entering 
the wireless encryption key), it did not connect.


The software asking for the wireless encryption key is different from 
what I have been using before.  On the one I have been successfully 
using, it has a check-box to have it display what I am typing.  This 
different tool does not.


I am thinking it is assuming WPA, and has no way to configure WEP, so it 
just doesn't work.  But why would it be using a different network 
configuration tool than what I used before?


When I select from the menu, System...Network Settings, I get a little 
window with just General, DNS, and Hosts tabs.  I have never seen 
this before.  In those tabs, I don't see anything I could use to set up 
my wireless configuration.


This is not making sense to me.  I will try booting the live CD in one 
of the machines it worked on before and try the same dongle again.


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Re: On Lubuntu 14.04, No Wireless on 2 machines that wireless worked on 13.10

[Israel]

That is extremely bizarre Did you use the same disk image that was
successful before?
I know you said the md5sum checked out... but it is odd that you should
get something so different.

You can check to see if wpa-supplicant is installed (I am pretty sure
that is the name).
I am kinda out of ideas right now... I have been crunching my brain
about the sound issue for PPC and finally figured out what to do :)

On 05/07/2014 09:38 PM, Aere Greenway wrote:
 On 05/07/2014 07:50 PM, Israel wrote:
 Did you test this Dongle with Ubuntu Studio 14.04 (or one of the
 other respins?)
 Did you say that those dongles worked on *some* machines with 14.04
 but not the other machines?
 If that is the case... my initial guess is it could possibly be the USB.
 If it works on some machines... they may have a USB 2.0 port and you
 are using a USB 2.0 Dongle
 It wont work on another machine because it has a USB 1.0 port, and
 the dongle needs more juice to work right..
 Israel:

 On the machine it failed on, all of the USB ports are USB 2.0. 

 On the machines it worked on, it was always in a USB 2.0 port. 

 It worked on Lubuntu 14.04, UbuntuStudio 14.04, and Xubuntu 14.04
 (even on my slow 450 megahertz machine). 

 I remembered the HP Mini needed the b43 installer package, so I booted
 the Live USB on a machine with an ethernet connection, and installed
 the b43 package. 

 Later, I booted the USB on the HP Mini, and it seemed to see the
 internal wireless, and on clicking on it in some way, I got it to show
 wireless networks in-range, but on clicking on my network (and
 entering the wireless encryption key), it did not connect. 

 The software asking for the wireless encryption key is different from
 what I have been using before.  On the one I have been successfully
 using, it has a check-box to have it display what I am typing.  This
 different tool does not. 

 I am thinking it is assuming WPA, and has no way to configure WEP, so
 it just doesn't work.  But why would it be using a different network
 configuration tool than what I used before? 

 When I select from the menu, System...Network Settings, I get a little
 window with just General, DNS, and Hosts tabs.  I have never
 seen this before.  In those tabs, I don't see anything I could use to
 set up my wireless configuration. 

 This is not making sense to me.  I will try booting the live CD in one
 of the machines it worked on before and try the same dongle again. 
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Re: On Lubuntu 14.04, No Wireless on 2 machines that wireless worked on 13.10

[Aere Greenway]

On 05/07/2014 08:44 PM, Israel wrote:
That is extremely bizarre Did you use the same disk image that was 
successful before?
I know you said the md5sum checked out... but it is odd that you 
should get something so different.



Israel:

I now partially understand the bizarre.

The live CD I installed my systems from was not the actual release 
version.  It was the beta-test version, and I later installed updates to 
bring the system up to current levels.


After the release, I downloaded the actual release ISO, and made a live 
CD and a live USB from it.


I dug around in my waste-basket, and found the beta-test live CD, booted 
it in one of the machines it worked in before, and to my surprise (and 
relief), it worked fine with the wireless dongle.  It was also the 
network tool I was used to using.


Apparently, the release ISO either has something new replacing the 
wireless configuration tools that worked (in the beta release), or there 
is something missing in it.


I checked in Synaptic Package manager, and found the wpasupplicant 
package, and also network-manager in the beta system.


I terminated, and re-booted the release-level live CD (in which the 
wireless is still not working), and it also had those two packages. 
Neither system had the wicd package (I had heard mentioned sometime in 
the past), so that is not a factor.


Apparently it is not possible to configure a WEP wireless network on the 
release live CD/USB.


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Re: Lubuntu 14.04 Ignores User Color-Customization

[Rafael Laguna]

The problem here aren't the themes, is the XSettings daemon. Each
environment has its own: XFCE has xfce4-settings-manager, Gnome has
gnome-settings-daemon, etc.

The package you're looking for is lxsession. LXDE has a standalone version
of the daemon, called lxsession-daemon which loads independent config
files. I need to do more tests to see if this is working.

But I insist, this bug is not theme related.


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2014-05-04 5:11 GMT+02:00 Israel israeld...@gmail.com:

  On 05/03/2014 08:03 PM, Aere Greenway wrote:

 On 05/03/2014 06:48 PM, Israel wrote:

 On 05/03/2014 07:26 PM, Aere Greenway wrote:

 Rafael:

 I will report it as a bug.  What package should it be reported against?

 Unfortunately, it appears to be one more step down the Ubuntu road of
 taking away customization.  So I'm doubtful anything will come of it.  But
 it means a lot to me, so I will report it, nevertheless.

 It may well be the end of color customization.

 - Aere


 On 05/03/2014 05:33 PM, Rafael Laguna wrote:

  More clues. I've tested on a few environments.

  1. Lubuntu does no colorize at all. Nor fgtk2 nor gtk3.
 2. XFCE (using Shimmer's gtk-theme-config) DOES colorize only gtk2 (pretty
 normal, as usually gtk3 is not able to do this)
 3. Mate. The same as XFCE, only colorizes gtk2 apps (I insist, gtk3 apps
 cannot be colorized as is, they need to be tweaked via .gtk-3.0 RC).
 4. Ubuntu hasn't this feature anymore.

  So, as colorization works in every environment as eexpected, the problem
 is ours. But themes react fine in other desktops, so there's no problem at
 all on engines or themes RC files.

  So, once tested all steps, there's only one left: the LXDE session
 settings daemon. Shall we declare it as a bug?


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 Lubuntu Artwork Team


 2014-05-04 0:23 GMT+02:00 Rafael Laguna rafaellag...@ubuntu.com:

  Yes, I can't customize Lubuntu-default, experimental Box, or even
 Adwaita. Now I'm testing Xubuntu themes and they seem to be un-colorizable
 too. Something's happening to the Desktop Settings daemon. It's not theme
 or engine related. It also affects GTK3.

  Let me try more tests on other environments and I hope to have an
 answer or, at least, a clue.



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 Lubuntu Artwork Team


 2014-05-03 22:37 GMT+02:00 Aere Greenway a...@dvorak-keyboards.com:

  All:

 I encountered a problem with Lubuntu 14.04 which (to me) is a
 show-stopper.  I'm sure it isn't as important to others.

 I have my own peculiar style of customized colors.  One of the main
 reasons my primary system uses Lubuntu is because of the
 color-customization, which retains the ease-of-use that was present in
 Ubuntu 11.04.

 I upgraded a Lubuntu 13.10 system for which the colors worked fine.
 After the upgrade to 14.04, the color customization does not appear in any
 windows I have tried (and I have tried a lot of them).

 Even in the window where you change the appearance with custom colors,
 it shows that it remembers the colors I specified, but the specified colors
 are not used in the window in which I specify them.

 It appears that color-customization can be done in the preferences
 settings, but the color customization you specify is universally ignored.

 Does anyone have any idea of how to make color-customization work in
 Lubuntu 14.04?

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  Of course you can always make your own theme, so it will never be dead.
 I have made a few themes for the WM, and the panel is still customizable
 fortunately.
 @Aere, Rafael did say the bug was in lubuntu session settings daemon.

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  Israel:

 Is there something in the repository you install to build your own theme?
 If so, what is the package name I should use (or search-for)?

 Using Synaptic Package Manager, searching for 'lubuntu', I do not see
 anything that resembles lubuntu session settings daemon.  Do you know
 what the package name is for it?

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  Aere, it depends on what kind of theme you are making.  If you want the
 widgets (buttons, progress bars etc...) that is GTK, which I don't know a
 whole lot about.
 If you are talking about window borders, etc.. that is openbox.  Openbox
 themes are simple xml files, that you can edit by hand (or programatically
 if you fancy).

 Before you go downloading Geany for some Openbox fun try out:
 http://box-look.org/

 You can also browse for GTK themes:
 http://xfce-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=100
 (If I remember Lubuntu might support GTK3 also... but I don't know for
 100% sure off the top of my head)

 I hope this helps


 I think the package with the issue is related to the lxsession package
 but Rafael, or one of the developers may have a better idea what part is
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Re: Lubuntu 14.04 Ignores User Color-Customization

[Aere Greenway]

Rafael:

It would be good to have all of the relevant information initially 
within the bug-report.


I will wait to submit it until you report back on what you find out in 
your additional tests.


I think you are saying that the customization wouldn't work in Lubuntu 
even if I developed a custom theme (per Nio's suggestion).


- Aere


On 05/04/2014 05:55 AM, Rafael Laguna wrote:
The problem here aren't the themes, is the XSettings daemon. Each 
environment has its own: XFCE has xfce4-settings-manager, Gnome has 
gnome-settings-daemon, etc.


The package you're looking for is lxsession. LXDE has a standalone 
version of the daemon, called lxsession-daemon which loads independent 
config files. I need to do more tests to see if this is working.


But I insist, this bug is not theme related.


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2014-05-04 5:11 GMT+02:00 Israel israeld...@gmail.com 
mailto:israeld...@gmail.com:


On 05/03/2014 08:03 PM, Aere Greenway wrote:

On 05/03/2014 06:48 PM, Israel wrote:

On 05/03/2014 07:26 PM, Aere Greenway wrote:

Rafael:

I will report it as a bug.  What package should it be reported
against?

Unfortunately, it appears to be one more step down the Ubuntu
road of taking away customization.  So I'm doubtful anything
will come of it.  But it means a lot to me, so I will report
it, nevertheless.

It may well be the end of color customization.

- Aere


On 05/03/2014 05:33 PM, Rafael Laguna wrote:

More clues. I've tested on a few environments.

1. Lubuntu does no colorize at all. Nor fgtk2 nor gtk3.
2. XFCE (using Shimmer's gtk-theme-config) DOES colorize only
gtk2 (pretty normal, as usually gtk3 is not able to do this)
3. Mate. The same as XFCE, only colorizes gtk2 apps (I insist,
gtk3 apps cannot be colorized as is, they need to be tweaked
via .gtk-3.0 RC).
4. Ubuntu hasn't this feature anymore.

So, as colorization works in every environment as eexpected,
the problem is ours. But themes react fine in other desktops,
so there's no problem at all on engines or themes RC files.

So, once tested all steps, there's only one left: the LXDE
session settings daemon. Shall we declare it as a bug?


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2014-05-04 0:23 GMT+02:00 Rafael Laguna
rafaellag...@ubuntu.com mailto:rafaellag...@ubuntu.com:

Yes, I can't customize Lubuntu-default, experimental Box,
or even Adwaita. Now I'm testing Xubuntu themes and they
seem to be un-colorizable too. Something's happening to
the Desktop Settings daemon. It's not theme or engine
related. It also affects GTK3.

Let me try more tests on other environments and I hope to
have an answer or, at least, a clue.



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2014-05-03 22:37 GMT+02:00 Aere Greenway
a...@dvorak-keyboards.com
mailto:a...@dvorak-keyboards.com:

All:

I encountered a problem with Lubuntu 14.04 which (to
me) is a show-stopper.  I'm sure it isn't as important
to others.

I have my own peculiar style of customized colors.
 One of the main reasons my primary system uses
Lubuntu is because of the color-customization, which
retains the ease-of-use that was present in Ubuntu 11.04.

I upgraded a Lubuntu 13.10 system for which the colors
worked fine. After the upgrade to 14.04, the color
customization does not appear in any windows I have
tried (and I have tried a lot of them).

Even in the window where you change the appearance
with custom colors, it shows that it remembers the
colors I specified, but the specified colors are not
used in the window in which I specify them.

It appears that color-customization can be done in the
preferences settings, but the color customization you
specify is universally ignored.

Does anyone have any idea of how to make
color-customization work in Lubuntu 14.04?

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Of course you can always make your own theme, so it will never
be dead.  I have made a few themes for the WM, and the panel is
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Israel:

Is there something in the repository you install to build your
own theme?  If so, what

lubuntu 14.04-ppc live iso

[farinet]

I do not understand why there aren't in the ppc installation iso
inserted by default the broadcom related firmware installation files.
They are in the ressources, but if you do not have hardwired wan access
nearly no chance to get there.

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Testing the lubuntu 14.04-ppc live iso

[Fritz Hudnut]

Gents:

Booted the LiveDVD of Lu 14.04 in my iBook last night, using live-powerpc
video=radeonfb:1024x768-32 as boot parameters, and that got me into a
clean GUI display, so that part was fine.  But, no sound was found, and
that in and of itself isn't putting me off using 14.04, but rather it is
the slowness of xorg. Window dragging seems to be slow, and doesn't follow
the mouse movement, but seems to be independent of it. And also scrolling
in firefox, e.g., in a long forum thread, is sluggish . . . .  Doesn't seem
to be tailored to PPC users?

On the flip side, Xubun 14 in my MBPro runs OK, albeit does seem to run at
higher temps than LM16, which I thought was running hot . . . .

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Re: lubuntu 14.04-ppc live iso

[Israel]

On 05/03/2014 02:54 AM, fari...@arcor.de wrote:
 I do not understand why there aren't in the ppc installation iso
 inserted by default the broadcom related firmware installation files.
 They are in the ressources, but if you do not have hardwired wan access
 nearly no chance to get there.

 Cheers.

Hi,
I think it has to do with the proprietary nature of the files.
Ubuntu by default tends to avoid installing anything that isn't free. 
Such as Flash, or Microsoft TTF files.  Even mp3 isn't installed by
default.  DVD playback is also in the same boat, as libdvdcss is said to
be possibly illegal.
I am not 100% sure about this answer, so maybe someone who knows this
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Re: Testing the lubuntu 14.04-ppc live iso

[Israel]

On 05/03/2014 10:15 AM, Fritz Hudnut wrote:
 Gents:

 Booted the LiveDVD of Lu 14.04 in my iBook last night, using
 live-powerpc video=radeonfb:1024x768-32 as boot parameters, and that
 got me into a clean GUI display, so that part was fine.  But, no sound
 was found, and that in and of itself isn't putting me off using 14.04,
 but rather it is the slowness of xorg. Window dragging seems to be
 slow, and doesn't follow the mouse movement, but seems to be
 independent of it. And also scrolling in firefox, e.g., in a long
 forum thread, is sluggish . . . .  Doesn't seem to be tailored to PPC
 users?

 On the flip side, Xubun 14 in my MBPro runs OK, albeit does seem to
 run at higher temps than LM16, which I thought was running hot . . . .

 F/e.e.p.


Hi,
The sound is a known issue inherited from Debian, please mark this bug
as affecting you!
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hw-detect/+bug/1296373
There are currently not very pretty workarounds for this issue.

But, I suppose we could start a thread here on working on it.  In
essence it seems to be an issue with the Kernel.  Someone on this list
(sorry I can't remember who right this moment) worked around this issue
by installing an earlier kernel.  The hw-detect module is messed up so
now it detects the wrong hardware, or something like that.  To fix this
you have to basically compile your own kernel after fixing the errors. 
There may be a simpler work around, but so far I have tried blacklisting
modules, and modprobing other modules in to see if I can get it to
work.  So far, I have not had any progress in getting it to work
sound should work just fine in 12.04.

I found that installing xcompmgr helped make my iBook seem to display
things better, so you can try that and see if it helps.

It is nice to see so many people using Lubuntu on the iBook!  Hopefully
Utopic will be a good testing ground for the iBook and we can get some
things SRU'd back into trusty for all of us that want a nice stable
release to run for a while.

@Devs there are a lot of iBook users on this list apparently, so please
sen out an e-mail to let us all know what to test, and when to test it.

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Re: Testing the lubuntu 14.04-ppc live iso

[Aere Greenway]

On 05/03/2014 09:41 AM, Israel wrote:
The hw-detect module is messed up so now it detects the wrong 
hardware, or something like that. 

Israel  All:

From my experience, I have seen statements in the:

/etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf

file that prevent certain sound cards from being the default (index 0) 
sound-card, such as the following statements:


# Prevent abnormal drivers from grabbing index 0
options snd-intel8x0m index=-2

Also there are statements specifying the use of 'blacklist' 
configurations, such as the following:


# Load saa7134-alsa instead of saa7134 (which gets dragged in by it anyway)
install saa7134 /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install saa7134 $CMDLINE_OPTS  
{ /sbin/modprobe --quiet --use-blacklist saa7134-alsa ; : ; }


Also, there are several 'blacklist' configuration files in that same folder:

/etc/modprobe.d

Perhaps something could be done modifying some of these configuration 
files that could solve the problem, rather than needing to make kernel 
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Testing the lubuntu 14.04-ppc live iso

[Fritz Hudnut]

 On 05/03/2014 02:54 AM, fari...@arcor.de wrote:
  I do not understand why there aren't in the ppc installation iso
  inserted by default the broadcom related firmware installation files.
  They are in the ressources, but if you do not have hardwired wan access
  nearly no chance to get there.
 
  Cheers.
 
 Hi,
 I think it has to do with the proprietary nature of the files.

@the Lu list:
Just to note that this wifi issue showed up in the Apple Users forum today,
where a gent was complaining about a broken ethernet port and asking how
he could get his PB set up with Lubuntu . . . .  I posted farinets comments
there along with some other comments . . . .



  but rather it is the slowness of xorg. Window dragging seems to be
  slow, and doesn't follow the mouse movement, but seems to be
  independent of it. And also scrolling in firefox, e.g., in a long
  forum thread, is sluggish . . . .  Doesn't seem to be tailored to PPC
  users?  F/e.e.p.

 
 Hi,
 The sound is a known issue inherited from Debian, please mark this bug
 as affecting you!
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hw-detect/+bug/1296373
 There are currently not very pretty workarounds for this issue.

 I found that installing xcompmgr helped make my iBook seem to display
 things better, so you can try that and see if it helps.

@Israel:

Thanks for the reply to my post, just wanted to reiterate that, although I
did post a comment on the sound lp bug report, that isn't a show-stopper
for my personal use; but, the dragging of windows that doesn't follow the
mouse movement . . . is . . . that would be enough to get me to delay
installing, same thing with slow scrolling in a browser . . . .
Thanks for the thoughts on xcompmgr . . . I don't think I'd want to
recompile the kernel to fix the sound problem, but if xcompmgr would fix
the erratic window dragging phenomenon, then I might try out 14.04 on the
iBook . . . right now it seems to exceed my skill level to work with it as
a base system . . . .

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Re: Lubuntu 14.04 Ignores User Color-Customization

[Rafael Laguna]

More clues. I've tested on a few environments.

1. Lubuntu does no colorize at all. Nor fgtk2 nor gtk3.
2. XFCE (using Shimmer's gtk-theme-config) DOES colorize only gtk2 (pretty
normal, as usually gtk3 is not able to do this)
3. Mate. The same as XFCE, only colorizes gtk2 apps (I insist, gtk3 apps
cannot be colorized as is, they need to be tweaked via .gtk-3.0 RC).
4. Ubuntu hasn't this feature anymore.

So, as colorization works in every environment as eexpected, the problem is
ours. But themes react fine in other desktops, so there's no problem at all
on engines or themes RC files.

So, once tested all steps, there's only one left: the LXDE session settings
daemon. Shall we declare it as a bug?


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2014-05-04 0:23 GMT+02:00 Rafael Laguna rafaellag...@ubuntu.com:

 Yes, I can't customize Lubuntu-default, experimental Box, or even Adwaita.
 Now I'm testing Xubuntu themes and they seem to be un-colorizable too.
 Something's happening to the Desktop Settings daemon. It's not theme or
 engine related. It also affects GTK3.

 Let me try more tests on other environments and I hope to have an answer
 or, at least, a clue.



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 2014-05-03 22:37 GMT+02:00 Aere Greenway a...@dvorak-keyboards.com:

 All:

 I encountered a problem with Lubuntu 14.04 which (to me) is a
 show-stopper.  I'm sure it isn't as important to others.

 I have my own peculiar style of customized colors.  One of the main
 reasons my primary system uses Lubuntu is because of the
 color-customization, which retains the ease-of-use that was present in
 Ubuntu 11.04.

 I upgraded a Lubuntu 13.10 system for which the colors worked fine. After
 the upgrade to 14.04, the color customization does not appear in any
 windows I have tried (and I have tried a lot of them).

 Even in the window where you change the appearance with custom colors, it
 shows that it remembers the colors I specified, but the specified colors
 are not used in the window in which I specify them.

 It appears that color-customization can be done in the preferences
 settings, but the color customization you specify is universally ignored.

 Does anyone have any idea of how to make color-customization work in
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Re: Lubuntu 14.04 Ignores User Color-Customization

[Aere Greenway]

Rafael:

I will report it as a bug.  What package should it be reported against?

Unfortunately, it appears to be one more step down the Ubuntu road of 
taking away customization.  So I'm doubtful anything will come of it.  
But it means a lot to me, so I will report it, nevertheless.


It may well be the end of color customization.

- Aere


On 05/03/2014 05:33 PM, Rafael Laguna wrote:

More clues. I've tested on a few environments.

1. Lubuntu does no colorize at all. Nor fgtk2 nor gtk3.
2. XFCE (using Shimmer's gtk-theme-config) DOES colorize only gtk2 
(pretty normal, as usually gtk3 is not able to do this)
3. Mate. The same as XFCE, only colorizes gtk2 apps (I insist, gtk3 
apps cannot be colorized as is, they need to be tweaked via .gtk-3.0 RC).

4. Ubuntu hasn't this feature anymore.

So, as colorization works in every environment as eexpected, the 
problem is ours. But themes react fine in other desktops, so there's 
no problem at all on engines or themes RC files.


So, once tested all steps, there's only one left: the LXDE session 
settings daemon. Shall we declare it as a bug?



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2014-05-04 0:23 GMT+02:00 Rafael Laguna rafaellag...@ubuntu.com 
mailto:rafaellag...@ubuntu.com:


Yes, I can't customize Lubuntu-default, experimental Box, or even
Adwaita. Now I'm testing Xubuntu themes and they seem to be
un-colorizable too. Something's happening to the Desktop Settings
daemon. It's not theme or engine related. It also affects GTK3.

Let me try more tests on other environments and I hope to have an
answer or, at least, a clue.



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2014-05-03 22:37 GMT+02:00 Aere Greenway
a...@dvorak-keyboards.com mailto:a...@dvorak-keyboards.com:

All:

I encountered a problem with Lubuntu 14.04 which (to me) is a
show-stopper.  I'm sure it isn't as important to others.

I have my own peculiar style of customized colors.  One of the
main reasons my primary system uses Lubuntu is because of the
color-customization, which retains the ease-of-use that was
present in Ubuntu 11.04.

I upgraded a Lubuntu 13.10 system for which the colors worked
fine. After the upgrade to 14.04, the color customization does
not appear in any windows I have tried (and I have tried a lot
of them).

Even in the window where you change the appearance with custom
colors, it shows that it remembers the colors I specified, but
the specified colors are not used in the window in which I
specify them.

It appears that color-customization can be done in the
preferences settings, but the color customization you specify
is universally ignored.

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Re: Lubuntu 14.04 Ignores User Color-Customization

[Israel]

On 05/03/2014 07:26 PM, Aere Greenway wrote:
 Rafael:

 I will report it as a bug.  What package should it be reported against? 

 Unfortunately, it appears to be one more step down the Ubuntu road of
 taking away customization.  So I'm doubtful anything will come of it. 
 But it means a lot to me, so I will report it, nevertheless. 

 It may well be the end of color customization. 

 - Aere


 On 05/03/2014 05:33 PM, Rafael Laguna wrote:
 More clues. I've tested on a few environments.

 1. Lubuntu does no colorize at all. Nor fgtk2 nor gtk3.
 2. XFCE (using Shimmer's gtk-theme-config) DOES colorize only gtk2
 (pretty normal, as usually gtk3 is not able to do this)
 3. Mate. The same as XFCE, only colorizes gtk2 apps (I insist, gtk3
 apps cannot be colorized as is, they need to be tweaked via .gtk-3.0 RC).
 4. Ubuntu hasn't this feature anymore.

 So, as colorization works in every environment as eexpected, the
 problem is ours. But themes react fine in other desktops, so there's
 no problem at all on engines or themes RC files.

 So, once tested all steps, there's only one left: the LXDE session
 settings daemon. Shall we declare it as a bug?


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 Lubuntu Artwork Team


 2014-05-04 0:23 GMT+02:00 Rafael Laguna rafaellag...@ubuntu.com
 mailto:rafaellag...@ubuntu.com:

 Yes, I can't customize Lubuntu-default, experimental Box, or even
 Adwaita. Now I'm testing Xubuntu themes and they seem to be
 un-colorizable too. Something's happening to the Desktop Settings
 daemon. It's not theme or engine related. It also affects GTK3.

 Let me try more tests on other environments and I hope to have an
 answer or, at least, a clue.



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 Lubuntu Artwork Team


 2014-05-03 22:37 GMT+02:00 Aere Greenway
 a...@dvorak-keyboards.com mailto:a...@dvorak-keyboards.com:

 All:

 I encountered a problem with Lubuntu 14.04 which (to me) is a
 show-stopper.  I'm sure it isn't as important to others.

 I have my own peculiar style of customized colors.  One of
 the main reasons my primary system uses Lubuntu is because of
 the color-customization, which retains the ease-of-use that
 was present in Ubuntu 11.04.

 I upgraded a Lubuntu 13.10 system for which the colors worked
 fine. After the upgrade to 14.04, the color customization
 does not appear in any windows I have tried (and I have tried
 a lot of them).

 Even in the window where you change the appearance with
 custom colors, it shows that it remembers the colors I
 specified, but the specified colors are not used in the
 window in which I specify them.

 It appears that color-customization can be done in the
 preferences settings, but the color customization you specify
 is universally ignored.

 Does anyone have any idea of how to make color-customization
 work in Lubuntu 14.04?

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Of course you can always make your own theme, so it will never be dead. 
I have made a few themes for the WM, and the panel is still customizable
fortunately.
@Aere, Rafael did say the bug was in lubuntu session settings daemon.

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Re: Lubuntu 14.04 Ignores User Color-Customization

[Aere Greenway]

On 05/03/2014 06:48 PM, Israel wrote:

On 05/03/2014 07:26 PM, Aere Greenway wrote:

Rafael:

I will report it as a bug.  What package should it be reported against?

Unfortunately, it appears to be one more step down the Ubuntu road of 
taking away customization.  So I'm doubtful anything will come of 
it.  But it means a lot to me, so I will report it, nevertheless.


It may well be the end of color customization.

- Aere


On 05/03/2014 05:33 PM, Rafael Laguna wrote:

More clues. I've tested on a few environments.

1. Lubuntu does no colorize at all. Nor fgtk2 nor gtk3.
2. XFCE (using Shimmer's gtk-theme-config) DOES colorize only gtk2 
(pretty normal, as usually gtk3 is not able to do this)
3. Mate. The same as XFCE, only colorizes gtk2 apps (I insist, gtk3 
apps cannot be colorized as is, they need to be tweaked via .gtk-3.0 
RC).

4. Ubuntu hasn't this feature anymore.

So, as colorization works in every environment as eexpected, the 
problem is ours. But themes react fine in other desktops, so there's 
no problem at all on engines or themes RC files.


So, once tested all steps, there's only one left: the LXDE session 
settings daemon. Shall we declare it as a bug?



--
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Lubuntu Artwork Team


2014-05-04 0:23 GMT+02:00 Rafael Laguna rafaellag...@ubuntu.com 
mailto:rafaellag...@ubuntu.com:


Yes, I can't customize Lubuntu-default, experimental Box, or
even Adwaita. Now I'm testing Xubuntu themes and they seem to be
un-colorizable too. Something's happening to the Desktop
Settings daemon. It's not theme or engine related. It also
affects GTK3.

Let me try more tests on other environments and I hope to have
an answer or, at least, a clue.



--
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Lubuntu Artwork Team


2014-05-03 22:37 GMT+02:00 Aere Greenway
a...@dvorak-keyboards.com mailto:a...@dvorak-keyboards.com:

All:

I encountered a problem with Lubuntu 14.04 which (to me) is
a show-stopper.  I'm sure it isn't as important to others.

I have my own peculiar style of customized colors.  One of
the main reasons my primary system uses Lubuntu is because
of the color-customization, which retains the ease-of-use
that was present in Ubuntu 11.04.

I upgraded a Lubuntu 13.10 system for which the colors
worked fine. After the upgrade to 14.04, the color
customization does not appear in any windows I have tried
(and I have tried a lot of them).

Even in the window where you change the appearance with
custom colors, it shows that it remembers the colors I
specified, but the specified colors are not used in the
window in which I specify them.

It appears that color-customization can be done in the
preferences settings, but the color customization you
specify is universally ignored.

Does anyone have any idea of how to make color-customization
work in Lubuntu 14.04?

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Of course you can always make your own theme, so it will never be 
dead.  I have made a few themes for the WM, and the panel is still 
customizable fortunately.

@Aere, Rafael did say the bug was in lubuntu session settings daemon.

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Israel:

Is there something in the repository you install to build your own 
theme?  If so, what is the package name I should use (or search-for)?


Using Synaptic Package Manager, searching for 'lubuntu', I do not see 
anything that resembles lubuntu session settings daemon.  Do you know 
what the package name is for it?


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Re: Lubuntu 14.04 Ignores User Color-Customization

[Israel]

On 05/03/2014 08:03 PM, Aere Greenway wrote:
 On 05/03/2014 06:48 PM, Israel wrote:
 On 05/03/2014 07:26 PM, Aere Greenway wrote:
 Rafael:

 I will report it as a bug.  What package should it be reported
 against? 

 Unfortunately, it appears to be one more step down the Ubuntu road
 of taking away customization.  So I'm doubtful anything will come of
 it.  But it means a lot to me, so I will report it, nevertheless. 

 It may well be the end of color customization. 

 - Aere


 On 05/03/2014 05:33 PM, Rafael Laguna wrote:
 More clues. I've tested on a few environments.

 1. Lubuntu does no colorize at all. Nor fgtk2 nor gtk3.
 2. XFCE (using Shimmer's gtk-theme-config) DOES colorize only gtk2
 (pretty normal, as usually gtk3 is not able to do this)
 3. Mate. The same as XFCE, only colorizes gtk2 apps (I insist, gtk3
 apps cannot be colorized as is, they need to be tweaked via
 .gtk-3.0 RC).
 4. Ubuntu hasn't this feature anymore.

 So, as colorization works in every environment as eexpected, the
 problem is ours. But themes react fine in other desktops, so
 there's no problem at all on engines or themes RC files.

 So, once tested all steps, there's only one left: the LXDE session
 settings daemon. Shall we declare it as a bug?


 --
 Rafael Laguna
 Lubuntu Artwork Team


 2014-05-04 0:23 GMT+02:00 Rafael Laguna rafaellag...@ubuntu.com
 mailto:rafaellag...@ubuntu.com:

 Yes, I can't customize Lubuntu-default, experimental Box, or
 even Adwaita. Now I'm testing Xubuntu themes and they seem to
 be un-colorizable too. Something's happening to the Desktop
 Settings daemon. It's not theme or engine related. It also
 affects GTK3.

 Let me try more tests on other environments and I hope to have
 an answer or, at least, a clue.



 --
 Rafael Laguna
 Lubuntu Artwork Team


 2014-05-03 22:37 GMT+02:00 Aere Greenway
 a...@dvorak-keyboards.com mailto:a...@dvorak-keyboards.com:

 All:

 I encountered a problem with Lubuntu 14.04 which (to me) is
 a show-stopper.  I'm sure it isn't as important to others.

 I have my own peculiar style of customized colors.  One of
 the main reasons my primary system uses Lubuntu is because
 of the color-customization, which retains the ease-of-use
 that was present in Ubuntu 11.04.

 I upgraded a Lubuntu 13.10 system for which the colors
 worked fine. After the upgrade to 14.04, the color
 customization does not appear in any windows I have tried
 (and I have tried a lot of them).

 Even in the window where you change the appearance with
 custom colors, it shows that it remembers the colors I
 specified, but the specified colors are not used in the
 window in which I specify them.

 It appears that color-customization can be done in the
 preferences settings, but the color customization you
 specify is universally ignored.

 Does anyone have any idea of how to make
 color-customization work in Lubuntu 14.04?

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 Of course you can always make your own theme, so it will never be
 dead.  I have made a few themes for the WM, and the panel is still
 customizable fortunately.
 @Aere, Rafael did say the bug was in lubuntu session settings daemon.

 -- 
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 Israel:

 Is there something in the repository you install to build your own
 theme?  If so, what is the package name I should use (or search-for)? 

 Using Synaptic Package Manager, searching for 'lubuntu', I do not see
 anything that resembles lubuntu session settings daemon.  Do you
 know what the package name is for it? 

 -- 
 Sincerely,
 Aere
Aere, it depends on what kind of theme you are making.  If you want the
widgets (buttons, progress bars etc...) that is GTK, which I don't know
a whole lot about.
If you are talking about window borders, etc.. that is openbox.  Openbox
themes are simple xml files, that you can edit by hand (or
programatically if you fancy).

Before you go downloading Geany for some Openbox fun try out:
http://box-look.org/

You can also browse for GTK themes:
http://xfce-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=100
(If I remember Lubuntu might support GTK3 also... but I don't know for
100% sure off the top of my head)

I hope this helps 


I think the package with the issue is related to the lxsession
package but Rafael, or one of the developers may have a better idea
what part is actually the problem.

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Re: Lubuntu 14.04 ppc errors

[farinet]

Am 30.04.2014 23:45, schrieb Fritz Hudnut este.el@gmail.com:

 ...

Thanks for intervening and for your suggestions. You're quite correct:
i'd like to have an operational pb - *including sound*. Now, that seems
hard to get to, at the actual state of things. Saying it's a somehow
inherited bug of debian would mean other distros eventually wouldn't
have it? Are there others than the debian based which actually still
support ppc (and are not frozen at 5 or 6 years ago)?

 @fairnet:

I'm not fair, sometimes even unfair ;-) But it's farinet (if you're
interested you might find something in wiki :D )

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Re: Lubuntu 14.04 ppc errors + JWM

[farinet]

I figured it out how to make work the setup correctly: I got the kernel
3.2.-04 from debian wheezy and, voilà, sound and even correct sleep mode
(standby, suspend, you name it) is there. Till now, i did not notice any
problem. (inxi shows the correct sound card:MacSoundSnapper).

May be, i should pin the kernel to avoid an unvoluntary upgrade (?) In
any case, i notice that yaboot seems to store the latest *INSTALLED*
kernel as actual, not the newest (3.2 became default, 3.13 became old).
It's a long time i did not fiddle anymore with yaboot ;)

I still have to cofigure the keyboard (3rd level) correctly.

@Israel
Now, i'll try jwm. At a first glance it's really extremely speedy and i
thought it might be possible to simply substitute openbox by jwm as the
lxde window manager (in desktop.conf). Apparently that works. One point
i've difficulties with is the font setting. May be you can pass me a tip
how to get smaller fontsize in the menu, the systray and the window
titels. I tried with xfontsel but frankly to no extent - whatever i
chose. Fore sure, i'm missing there something ...

As a filemanager personally i'd stick with pcmanfm, also because i'm not
so interested in an icon ornated desktop (i'm rather used to use it as
a background for conky :D ).

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Re: Lubuntu 14.04 ppc errors + JWM

[Israel]

On 05/01/2014 07:44 PM, fari...@arcor.de wrote:
 I figured it out how to make work the setup correctly: I got the kernel
 3.2.-04 from debian wheezy and, voilà, sound and even correct sleep mode
 (standby, suspend, you name it) is there. Till now, i did not notice any
 problem. (inxi shows the correct sound card:MacSoundSnapper).

 May be, i should pin the kernel to avoid an unvoluntary upgrade (?) In
 any case, i notice that yaboot seems to store the latest *INSTALLED*
 kernel as actual, not the newest (3.2 became default, 3.13 became old).
 It's a long time i did not fiddle anymore with yaboot ;)

 I still have to cofigure the keyboard (3rd level) correctly.

 @Israel
 Now, i'll try jwm. At a first glance it's really extremely speedy and i
 thought it might be possible to simply substitute openbox by jwm as the
 lxde window manager (in desktop.conf). Apparently that works. One point
 i've difficulties with is the font setting. May be you can pass me a tip
 how to get smaller fontsize in the menu, the systray and the window
 titels. I tried with xfontsel but frankly to no extent - whatever i
 chose. Fore sure, i'm missing there something ...

 As a filemanager personally i'd stick with pcmanfm, also because i'm not
 so interested in an icon ornated desktop (i'm rather used to use it as
 a background for conky :D ).

 Cheers.

Hi,
This page will be your friend for tweaking JWM
http://www.joewing.net/projects/jwm/config.shtml
:D
Here is the specific link for fonts.
http://www.joewing.net/projects/jwm/fonts.shtml

You can configure just about everything.
There are some apps you might want to install.
I am not entirely sure which ones integrate into the panel very well.
I know I have used wicd for the network before (on Debian)
I think I used volumeicon-alsa  for the volume control.
You can set up multiple menus and multiple panels, and make them any
color, as well as tweak everything else.  It is extremely fast and
light, but not extremely beautiful, and is very minimal... but it isn't
terribly hard to configure.  since you are doing it by hand make sure
you check it before you reload it.
jwm -p
You can also separate things into other files, and include them into the
panel (they don't have to be named with the .xml extension

i.e
Includepanel.xml/Include
Includewindow.xml/Include

It is pretty fun to do!

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