Re: [MBZ] Mann Oil Filters Coming Apart
I'll see how the Hengst hold outupdate in 3K miles. Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 5:27 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mann Oil Filters Coming Apart well, i do doubt that worldpac is trafficking in fake filters nowadays and i'm not one of those guys who thinks a mann filter is better than a hengst or visa versa. a most curious mystery On 8/12/07, Robert Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I use what Rusty sends me... > > Bob R. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Tom Hargrave > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 9:03 AM > To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mann Oil Filters Coming Apart > > I suspect that you are using the wrong filter & the element is being > crushed > when you tighten down the lid. There are 2 filters used on later (1977 & > on) > Mercedes diesels & they look identical until you place them side by side. > > Thanks, > Tom Hargrave > www.kegkits.com > 256-656-1924 > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Robert Rentfro > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 10:33 AM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: [MBZ] Mann Oil Filters Coming Apart > > During yesterday's oil change, I had the third consecutive Mann oil filter > come out in two pieces; the paper section became separate from the metal > section. What's the deal on that? Anyone else experience this? Does that > failure allow a path for oil to flow where it's not filtered? > > I put a Hengst in this time to see what happens. > > > > Bob Rentfro > > '77 300D 178K > > Goodyear, AZ > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Linux distribution and winmodems [was Re: Classic car]]
It seems than at Sun, 12 Aug 2007 21:20:04 -0400, archer wrote: > >> --- > >> I have several brands of Winmodem and I'm not sure which brand is in the > >> computer I'm trying Ubuntu in. All are 56K dialup accessing an ISP. > >> When I > >> tried to set up Red Hat a few years ago, it wouldn't recognize my > >> Winmodem; > >> it said I needed a standard modem which cost about $80 back then. Since > >> then I've heard that quite a few distributions do recognize Windmodems. > - > > Winmodems are dicey. It all depends on the chipset. Some work, > > quick and easy. Others require compiling a driver. Some don't > > work at all. > > Lots more info at: > > http://www.linmodems.org/ > Thanks, Phillip. > That IBM PCI modem at Eagle is only $17.40, so I might order it. I also > remembered buying a modem on a sale table at some store. It's a V-92 (or > less) controllerless 56K (Stratitec) modem which requires Windows 98 or > later, or "Linux 2.4 kernel" or later. I'll stick that in a computer and > see if it will work with Ubuntu, Knoppix, or DSL. That's the only modem > I've seen that mentions Linux. Shipping is like $10, so find some others stuff to order with it. *smile* If you have a winmodem, stick it in and run the script that linmodem.org has. It will poke around and figure out what you have and what is needed - and if it's a hopeless case. And if you have more questions, stop on by Kaleb's Linux/Mercedes/off-topic list. It's much, much, slower than this one. Those of us that muck about with real operating systems hang out over there. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Linux distribution and winmodems [was Re: Classic car]]
- Original Message - From: "Wonko the Sane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Are you in need of a PCI modem? I have plenty available for adoption! Might be if these I have on hand don't work with linux. If enough are tried, one might work. Thanks, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Linux distribution and winmodems [was Re: Classic car]]
Are you in need of a PCI modem? I have plenty available for adoption! On 8/12/07, archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > - Original Message - > From: "Fmiser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > It seems than at Sat, 11 Aug 2007 19:22:15 -0400, archer wrote: > = > >> >> >> I wonder why this URL wanted to change my registry? > >> >> >> Gerry Archer > >> >> --- > >> >> > Good question. On Linux I don't even have a registry. > >> >> > Craig > >> >> --- > >> >> Which distribution are you running? I've played with Ubuntu, > Knoppix, > >> >> and Red Hat at different times but keep getting hung up at various > >> >> points. Ubuntu seemed to be more user friendly but I couldn't get > it > >> >> set up with the winmodem to access the internet last time. > >> --- > >> > I've been running Fedora Core 4 and am about to go to Fedora Core 7. > >> > What kind of winmodem do you have? I presume your only access is > >> > dialup. > >> > Craig > >> --- > >> I have several brands of Winmodem and I'm not sure which brand is in > the > >> computer I'm trying Ubuntu in. All are 56K dialup accessing an ISP. > >> When I > >> tried to set up Red Hat a few years ago, it wouldn't recognize my > >> Winmodem; > >> it said I needed a standard modem which cost about $80 back > then. Since > >> then I've heard that quite a few distributions do recognize Windmodems. > - > > Winmodems are dicey. It all depends on the chipset. Some work, > > quick and easy. Others require compiling a driver. Some don't > > work at all. > > Lots more info at: > > http://www.linmodems.org/ > > The modem in my IBM laptop was easy. I have a couple PCI-style > > that are the impossible kind. One is the compile-a-driver and I > > failed to get it working, so I now use an external serial modem. > > A couple buck more money, but with wvdial it's super easy. > > If you need a internal PCI type, $43 for a Zoom. > > > http://www.adamant.com/ItemInfo_563025.asp?GotoID=ITEM&PrdAbr=MDZ56-3025&menu=PARTS > > Or an IBM > > http://www5.pc.ibm.com/us/products.nsf/$wwwPartNumLookup/_33L4618 > > from > > http://www.saveateagle.com/33l4618-02.html?code=33L4618-02 > > > Philip, stuck with dialup > > Thanks, Phillip. > That IBM PCI modem at Eagle is only $17.40, so I might order it. I also > remembered buying a modem on a sale table at some store. It's a V-92 (or > less) controllerless 56K (Stratitec) modem which requires Windows 98 or > later, or "Linux 2.4 kernel" or later. I'll stick that in a computer and > see if it will work with Ubuntu, Knoppix, or DSL. That's the only modem > I've seen that mentions Linux. > Gerry > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 1983 Mercedes 240 D China Blue - Manual Transmission - $6000 (DFW)
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Re: [MBZ] $8500 POS
I think mercedes like any company is happy to sell you as little for as much as they can. :-) They would still sell S Classes with non electric seats today if they could get away with it. Of course, Porsche have this down to a fine science. They charge you extra for less car. :-) They call them light weights and even make you wait in line for them, which ppl seem to be happy to do. The era of high maintance cars may be over, but the ere of disposible cars is just getting into full swing! A number of new cars already have their parts stamped for easy sorting when they go into the compost bin. Then again, high maintance may not be dead just yet. You show me where the plugs are on an SL65 and tell me you'd change them for less than $300+parts! :-) Ed 300E On 12/08/07, Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > These are all the reasons why they are such dogs on the used car > market. They were beautifully made cars, especially the early ones > (rumor has it Benz didn't make much money on them due to the materials > costs), but the necessary (and unnecessary) electronics fail regularly. > > The leasing thing produced a rash of junk high dollar vehicles because > they are tax write-offs, and hence have no value once the tax > deductions are taken. Leasing is stupid if you actually use a car, > it's vastly more expensive than purchase/resale, but if you aren't > paying for it, who cares, right? Problem is the aftermaket gets > flooded with very expensive to maintain and repair (and replacing the > engine electronics isn't maintenance in my book, changing oil is!) > automobiles that no one can afford unless they are new and being > leased. > > The Europeans aren't as excited about fancy electronics, or didn't used > to be, the main reason why Benz didn't have electric seats until the > W126. Just another expensive (and basically unneeded) thing to break > sooner than it should. > > I hope the era of disposable cars that everyone loves to show off how > much money they are spending to keep running is over! > > Peter > > On Aug 12, 2007, at 7:51 PM, E M wrote: > > > Good points. You have to remember to when this car hit the scene, > > many ppl > > enjoyed bragging about how much they would spend for a service. :-) > > Todays > > climate, we are more likely to complain about it. :-) 126 was and > > still is > > a great car that mercedes got a LOT of years out of. I think they > > wanted a > > big push forward with the 140, and the car was not made or designed on > > the > > cheap! The car was very complicated, and the more stuff you have, the > > more > > there is to fail. Look at the recent threads on locks and tumblers. > > I > > don't hear anyone saying, oh the tumblers in 124 or 123 are junk. > > They're > > older, they fail, Add 5 times the number of parts, 5 times more parts > > to > > fail. After test driving a 140, it made the S that followed look like > > it > > was build down to a price, and I'm pretty sure it was. I also think > > leasing > > now plays a much larger part in the lack of long term maintance some of > > these higher end cars receive. I think there's a mind set as to how > > many > > treat cars when they bring them home new, and they know it won't still > > be > > sitting in their driveway 400,000 miles later. Drive the crap out of > > it, it > > only has to last 3-4 years. It shows too when they go to auction > > after a > > few owners. > > > > Ed > > 300E > > > > On 12/08/07, Hendrik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> I guess the problem with the 140 was that it followed the 126, people > >> where used to the good old reliable but technologically challenged > >> 126. > >> When judging a particular chassis I feel that it is important not to > >> compare it with previous Merc models but with what the competitors > >> such > >> as BMW, RR, etc, where serving up at the time. > >> > >> E M wrote: > >>> Geez, you guys are really down on W140s. I know it has a lot of > >>> systems > >> and > >>> not the most reasonable car to own, but I don't think mercedes ever > >> intended > >>> it to be an econo box. I think as far as sedans go, it was one of > >>> those > >>> concorde moments. People look at the cost to run and service it and > >> forget > >>> just what it was at the time. All the little things, like a big > >>> sedan > >> that > >>> would go like stink and still handle great. The US market wasn't > >>> keen > >> on > >>> the idea of changing tires so often as they thought they should last > >>> as > >> long > >>> on an S as they do on their Ford, so the tires were "dumbed down" to > >> last > >>> longer, and then ppl complained about the tire noise. ha ha ha. The > >> market > >>> just isnt' there for these cars, much like the unappreciated porsche > >> 928. > >>> But bring me all the $1000 S500s you can find! :-) I think they are > >> great > >>> cars that are worth preserving and enjoying. > >>> > >>> Ed > >>> 300E > >>> > >> > >> ___
Re: [MBZ] OT Linux distribution and winmodems [was Re: Classic car]]
- Original Message - From: "Fmiser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > It seems than at Sat, 11 Aug 2007 19:22:15 -0400, archer wrote: = >> >> >> I wonder why this URL wanted to change my registry? >> >> >> Gerry Archer >> >> --- >> >> > Good question. On Linux I don't even have a registry. >> >> > Craig >> >> --- >> >> Which distribution are you running? I've played with Ubuntu, Knoppix, >> >> and Red Hat at different times but keep getting hung up at various >> >> points. Ubuntu seemed to be more user friendly but I couldn't get it >> >> set up with the winmodem to access the internet last time. >> --- >> > I've been running Fedora Core 4 and am about to go to Fedora Core 7. >> > What kind of winmodem do you have? I presume your only access is >> > dialup. >> > Craig >> --- >> I have several brands of Winmodem and I'm not sure which brand is in the >> computer I'm trying Ubuntu in. All are 56K dialup accessing an ISP. >> When I >> tried to set up Red Hat a few years ago, it wouldn't recognize my >> Winmodem; >> it said I needed a standard modem which cost about $80 back then. Since >> then I've heard that quite a few distributions do recognize Windmodems. - > Winmodems are dicey. It all depends on the chipset. Some work, > quick and easy. Others require compiling a driver. Some don't > work at all. > Lots more info at: > http://www.linmodems.org/ > The modem in my IBM laptop was easy. I have a couple PCI-style > that are the impossible kind. One is the compile-a-driver and I > failed to get it working, so I now use an external serial modem. > A couple buck more money, but with wvdial it's super easy. > If you need a internal PCI type, $43 for a Zoom. > http://www.adamant.com/ItemInfo_563025.asp?GotoID=ITEM&PrdAbr=MDZ56-3025&menu=PARTS > Or an IBM > http://www5.pc.ibm.com/us/products.nsf/$wwwPartNumLookup/_33L4618 > from > http://www.saveateagle.com/33l4618-02.html?code=33L4618-02 > Philip, stuck with dialup Thanks, Phillip. That IBM PCI modem at Eagle is only $17.40, so I might order it. I also remembered buying a modem on a sale table at some store. It's a V-92 (or less) controllerless 56K (Stratitec) modem which requires Windows 98 or later, or "Linux 2.4 kernel" or later. I'll stick that in a computer and see if it will work with Ubuntu, Knoppix, or DSL. That's the only modem I've seen that mentions Linux. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] $8500 POS
These are all the reasons why they are such dogs on the used car market. They were beautifully made cars, especially the early ones (rumor has it Benz didn't make much money on them due to the materials costs), but the necessary (and unnecessary) electronics fail regularly. The leasing thing produced a rash of junk high dollar vehicles because they are tax write-offs, and hence have no value once the tax deductions are taken. Leasing is stupid if you actually use a car, it's vastly more expensive than purchase/resale, but if you aren't paying for it, who cares, right? Problem is the aftermaket gets flooded with very expensive to maintain and repair (and replacing the engine electronics isn't maintenance in my book, changing oil is!) automobiles that no one can afford unless they are new and being leased. The Europeans aren't as excited about fancy electronics, or didn't used to be, the main reason why Benz didn't have electric seats until the W126. Just another expensive (and basically unneeded) thing to break sooner than it should. I hope the era of disposable cars that everyone loves to show off how much money they are spending to keep running is over! Peter On Aug 12, 2007, at 7:51 PM, E M wrote: > Good points. You have to remember to when this car hit the scene, > many ppl > enjoyed bragging about how much they would spend for a service. :-) > Todays > climate, we are more likely to complain about it. :-) 126 was and > still is > a great car that mercedes got a LOT of years out of. I think they > wanted a > big push forward with the 140, and the car was not made or designed on > the > cheap! The car was very complicated, and the more stuff you have, the > more > there is to fail. Look at the recent threads on locks and tumblers. > I > don't hear anyone saying, oh the tumblers in 124 or 123 are junk. > They're > older, they fail, Add 5 times the number of parts, 5 times more parts > to > fail. After test driving a 140, it made the S that followed look like > it > was build down to a price, and I'm pretty sure it was. I also think > leasing > now plays a much larger part in the lack of long term maintance some of > these higher end cars receive. I think there's a mind set as to how > many > treat cars when they bring them home new, and they know it won't still > be > sitting in their driveway 400,000 miles later. Drive the crap out of > it, it > only has to last 3-4 years. It shows too when they go to auction > after a > few owners. > > Ed > 300E > > On 12/08/07, Hendrik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> I guess the problem with the 140 was that it followed the 126, people >> where used to the good old reliable but technologically challenged >> 126. >> When judging a particular chassis I feel that it is important not to >> compare it with previous Merc models but with what the competitors >> such >> as BMW, RR, etc, where serving up at the time. >> >> E M wrote: >>> Geez, you guys are really down on W140s. I know it has a lot of >>> systems >> and >>> not the most reasonable car to own, but I don't think mercedes ever >> intended >>> it to be an econo box. I think as far as sedans go, it was one of >>> those >>> concorde moments. People look at the cost to run and service it and >> forget >>> just what it was at the time. All the little things, like a big >>> sedan >> that >>> would go like stink and still handle great. The US market wasn't >>> keen >> on >>> the idea of changing tires so often as they thought they should last >>> as >> long >>> on an S as they do on their Ford, so the tires were "dumbed down" to >> last >>> longer, and then ppl complained about the tire noise. ha ha ha. The >> market >>> just isnt' there for these cars, much like the unappreciated porsche >> 928. >>> But bring me all the $1000 S500s you can find! :-) I think they are >> great >>> cars that are worth preserving and enjoying. >>> >>> Ed >>> 300E >>> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pound Stirling
I think I need one!! :-) Ed 300E On 12/08/07, LWB250 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This is cool: > > http://www.boingboing.net/2007/08/10/papercraft_stirling_.html > > Dan > > > > > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. > Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. > http://sims.yahoo.com/ > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] This weeks auctions 8/12/07
http://motors.search.ebay.com/_W0QQfrppZ50QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQrdZ0QQsassZokieQ2dbenz -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] $8500 POS
At the time the 140 was designed and built, MB spent more money designing it that any other car in their history. Was the most advanced car of the time. This told to me by and old german dude way back when they first came out with them. The next S was just cheap compared. Hell, even the later years of 140's were cheaped down. Didnt have as many features as the earlier ones E M wrote: > Good points. You have to remember to when this car hit the scene, many ppl > enjoyed bragging about how much they would spend for a service. :-) Todays > climate, we are more likely to complain about it. :-) 126 was and still is > a great car that mercedes got a LOT of years out of. I think they wanted a > big push forward with the 140, and the car was not made or designed on the > cheap! The car was very complicated, and the more stuff you have, the more > there is to fail. Look at the recent threads on locks and tumblers. I > don't hear anyone saying, oh the tumblers in 124 or 123 are junk. They're > older, they fail, Add 5 times the number of parts, 5 times more parts to > fail. After test driving a 140, it made the S that followed look like it > was build down to a price, and I'm pretty sure it was. I also think leasing > now plays a much larger part in the lack of long term maintance some of > these higher end cars receive. I think there's a mind set as to how many > treat cars when they bring them home new, and they know it won't still be > sitting in their driveway 400,000 miles later. Drive the crap out of it, it > only has to last 3-4 years. It shows too when they go to auction after a > few owners. > > Ed > 300E -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] $8500 POS
Good points. You have to remember to when this car hit the scene, many ppl enjoyed bragging about how much they would spend for a service. :-) Todays climate, we are more likely to complain about it. :-) 126 was and still is a great car that mercedes got a LOT of years out of. I think they wanted a big push forward with the 140, and the car was not made or designed on the cheap! The car was very complicated, and the more stuff you have, the more there is to fail. Look at the recent threads on locks and tumblers. I don't hear anyone saying, oh the tumblers in 124 or 123 are junk. They're older, they fail, Add 5 times the number of parts, 5 times more parts to fail. After test driving a 140, it made the S that followed look like it was build down to a price, and I'm pretty sure it was. I also think leasing now plays a much larger part in the lack of long term maintance some of these higher end cars receive. I think there's a mind set as to how many treat cars when they bring them home new, and they know it won't still be sitting in their driveway 400,000 miles later. Drive the crap out of it, it only has to last 3-4 years. It shows too when they go to auction after a few owners. Ed 300E On 12/08/07, Hendrik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I guess the problem with the 140 was that it followed the 126, people > where used to the good old reliable but technologically challenged 126. > When judging a particular chassis I feel that it is important not to > compare it with previous Merc models but with what the competitors such > as BMW, RR, etc, where serving up at the time. > > E M wrote: > > Geez, you guys are really down on W140s. I know it has a lot of systems > and > > not the most reasonable car to own, but I don't think mercedes ever > intended > > it to be an econo box. I think as far as sedans go, it was one of those > > concorde moments. People look at the cost to run and service it and > forget > > just what it was at the time. All the little things, like a big sedan > that > > would go like stink and still handle great. The US market wasn't keen > on > > the idea of changing tires so often as they thought they should last as > long > > on an S as they do on their Ford, so the tires were "dumbed down" to > last > > longer, and then ppl complained about the tire noise. ha ha ha. The > market > > just isnt' there for these cars, much like the unappreciated porsche > 928. > > But bring me all the $1000 S500s you can find! :-) I think they are > great > > cars that are worth preserving and enjoying. > > > > Ed > > 300E > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT:Pressure washers/thermal stress
In a message dated 8/12/2007 10:57:54 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > The Gunk seems to cool the engines enough that shock damage is not an > issue, but never spray water directly on a hot engine ??? Does that mean that I can't drive in the rain? --Philip, who's driven through lots of puddles with a hot engine Phillip, You can do anything you want! Thermal shock can be strong enough to crack engine parts. My approach is to mist the engine, usually with Gunk foamy engine cleaner, and let it cool a little. One group of frequent crackers are the exhaust manifolds on in line 6 cylinder Cherokees and CJs, which, more than just coincidently, are drawn like magnets to puddles Regards, Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 267 K miles 98 ML 320, 151 K miles ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mann Oil Filters Coming Apart
well, i do doubt that worldpac is trafficking in fake filters nowadays and i'm not one of those guys who thinks a mann filter is better than a hengst or visa versa. a most curious mystery On 8/12/07, Robert Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I use what Rusty sends me... > > Bob R. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Tom Hargrave > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 9:03 AM > To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mann Oil Filters Coming Apart > > I suspect that you are using the wrong filter & the element is being > crushed > when you tighten down the lid. There are 2 filters used on later (1977 & > on) > Mercedes diesels & they look identical until you place them side by side. > > Thanks, > Tom Hargrave > www.kegkits.com > 256-656-1924 > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Robert Rentfro > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 10:33 AM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: [MBZ] Mann Oil Filters Coming Apart > > During yesterday's oil change, I had the third consecutive Mann oil filter > come out in two pieces; the paper section became separate from the metal > section. What's the deal on that? Anyone else experience this? Does that > failure allow a path for oil to flow where it's not filtered? > > I put a Hengst in this time to see what happens. > > > > Bob Rentfro > > '77 300D 178K > > Goodyear, AZ > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Pound Stirling
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Re: [MBZ] $8500 POS
Not sure what chrysler would have to do with the 140 since it came along way before chrysler did Hendrik wrote: > Bit harsh to blame Chrysler for the reliability issues of the 140, a lot > of the problems mentioned are due to parts suppliers. However this does > not excuse MB for not putting the test miles on the chassis before release. > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] $8500 POS
Bit harsh to blame Chrysler for the reliability issues of the 140, a lot of the problems mentioned are due to parts suppliers. However this does not excuse MB for not putting the test miles on the chassis before release. Peter Frederick wrote: > > It was the beginning of the serious slide in quality Benz has undergone > since being affiliated with Chrysler. Must have gotten the MoPar > people involved in sourcing and specifying parts -- mostly junk. There > was also a massive influx of American trained designers into the German > auto world (see my comments on the BMW 740il series above. Lots of > fancy crap for the American disposable car market, ruined the product. > Spring seats rusting off, doors that go "clank" when you close the, > "smart" electronics for the stinking window motors for Christ's sake, > running off an Ethernet system and all internlinked computers, and so > forth. $350 for a window motor and a $2500 tool to program it > > Disposable cars, once it's out of warrenty, it goes to the discount lot > and hence to the dump. Lovely world we live in, eh? > > Peter > > > m > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] $8500 POS
I guess the problem with the 140 was that it followed the 126, people where used to the good old reliable but technologically challenged 126. When judging a particular chassis I feel that it is important not to compare it with previous Merc models but with what the competitors such as BMW, RR, etc, where serving up at the time. E M wrote: > Geez, you guys are really down on W140s. I know it has a lot of systems and > not the most reasonable car to own, but I don't think mercedes ever intended > it to be an econo box. I think as far as sedans go, it was one of those > concorde moments. People look at the cost to run and service it and forget > just what it was at the time. All the little things, like a big sedan that > would go like stink and still handle great. The US market wasn't keen on > the idea of changing tires so often as they thought they should last as long > on an S as they do on their Ford, so the tires were "dumbed down" to last > longer, and then ppl complained about the tire noise. ha ha ha. The market > just isnt' there for these cars, much like the unappreciated porsche 928. > But bring me all the $1000 S500s you can find! :-) I think they are great > cars that are worth preserving and enjoying. > > Ed > 300E > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] $8500 POS
BZZZT, WRONG. The wiring harness issue affected ALL the models during certain years (93-95). Not all 140's suffer from this problem. Peter Frederick wrote: > The W140 chassis suffers from wiring pre-degredation, very unreliable > computers (ignition, fuel injection, and climate control) and the > whacko "conveneince relay" system also famous on the BMW 740il series > of similar vintage. > > These are not whines, they are serious reliability problems. $4000 for > an engine computer toasted by a bad wiring harness (another, what, > $2500 plus $1500 for installation), a $2500 climate control computer, > an engine trashed by a stupidly designed computer maintenance > scheduling program, outrageous parts (dual pane argon filled passenger > windows, a "feature" shared by Lexus) so a broken window costs $1000 to > fix -- doesn't take long to figure out no one is going to spend that > kinda money on fixing an $80,000 car, especially when all the > electronics fail in a couple of years, average. > > The basic design is great, the materials (excepting anything > electronic) is as good as it gets, but after $10,000 a year in warranty > work, the owners dump them the day the warranty is up. Lots of them > are in the dump, not worth fixing because the replacement parts are > gonna croak in 25,000 miles just like the originals. > > My mechanic friend won't work on them, too much chance disconnecting > the computer cables will fry the computer when you plug it back in due > to all the insulation in the harness falling off the wires when you > flex them. I'm not kidding, the Indianapolis Benz service center warns > you NOT to unplug the computer unless you are replacing the > harness. > > It was the beginning of the serious slide in quality Benz has undergone > since being affiliated with Chrysler. Must have gotten the MoPar > people involved in sourcing and specifying parts -- mostly junk. There > was also a massive influx of American trained designers into the German > auto world (see my comments on the BMW 740il series above. Lots of > fancy crap for the American disposable car market, ruined the product. > Spring seats rusting off, doors that go "clank" when you close the, > "smart" electronics for the stinking window motors for Christ's sake, > running off an Ethernet system and all internlinked computers, and so > forth. $350 for a window motor and a $2500 tool to program it > > Disposable cars, once it's out of warrenty, it goes to the discount lot > and hence to the dump. Lovely world we live in, eh? > > Peter > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] $8500 POS
personally I love the 140's. Been keeping an eye out for one for the wife. And a diesel one for me even with the engine problem potential. E M wrote: > Geez, you guys are really down on W140s. I know it has a lot of systems and > not the most reasonable car to own, but I don't think mercedes ever intended > it to be an econo box. I think as far as sedans go, it was one of those > concorde moments. People look at the cost to run and service it and forget > just what it was at the time. All the little things, like a big sedan that > would go like stink and still handle great. The US market wasn't keen on > the idea of changing tires so often as they thought they should last as long > on an S as they do on their Ford, so the tires were "dumbed down" to last > longer, and then ppl complained about the tire noise. ha ha ha. The market > just isnt' there for these cars, much like the unappreciated porsche 928. > But bring me all the $1000 S500s you can find! :-) I think they are great > cars that are worth preserving and enjoying. > > Ed > 300E -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mann Oil Filters Coming Apart
I use what Rusty sends me... Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Hargrave Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 9:03 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mann Oil Filters Coming Apart I suspect that you are using the wrong filter & the element is being crushed when you tighten down the lid. There are 2 filters used on later (1977 & on) Mercedes diesels & they look identical until you place them side by side. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Rentfro Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 10:33 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Mann Oil Filters Coming Apart During yesterday's oil change, I had the third consecutive Mann oil filter come out in two pieces; the paper section became separate from the metal section. What's the deal on that? Anyone else experience this? Does that failure allow a path for oil to flow where it's not filtered? I put a Hengst in this time to see what happens. Bob Rentfro '77 300D 178K Goodyear, AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, Kabota diesel power problem question
The fuel excess from the lift pump also goes down the return line to the tank. This is much larger than the flow from the injectors. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] $8500 POS
Guys in my area who have bought them new and run them and put many miles on them may not be as quick to send them to the crusher as you. Up here, the cars cost $120,000+ new. Who expects to buy such a car and run it for a $1000 per year? I state my rule of old car purchase again. Put 10% of the original purchase price aside to properly sort an old car that's in pretty good shape. That's $12,000. After that, I think if you keep ontop of it, you could probably do your own servicing on many items and run one for $2500-3000 per year, on parts? No, not cheap, but if you want cheap, what are you doing in a gas S Class in the first place? Ed 300E On 12/08/07, Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That $8500 car will cost that much every year or two to keep on the > road. I don't think you get it -- no engine computer = dead car, and > NONE of them last like they should. I've known people to get two or > three during the extended warranty period -- and they are $4000 EACH. > Ditto for the climate control, no workarounds possible, if it's out you > have no ventilation, and it's the electronics. Window controller box > fails pretty often, another $2500 so you can open a window. > > Only the 350 diesel is usable long term unless you have the cash to > drop $5000 or more per year in repair PARTS -- there are NO used engine > or climate control modules out there. > > Peter > > On Aug 12, 2007, at 1:43 PM, E M wrote: > > > As I said, parts and labour are not cheap however you look at it. > > Mind you, > > take a 240D to a dealer and check the bill you'll get! :-) I had a > > well off > > friend how liked his old 300D. He would often spend more than the > > market > > value on the car for a service! The was to run a old 140 is to do > > what many > > do here, buy several. With cars costing so little, why buy parts? > > Pick one > > up, part it out and stock piles bits you know you'll need. There was > > a lot > > of recycled material that went into the 140. I'm pretty sure parts > > made > > with that junk didn't do much better in other models either. > > > > Ed > > 300E > > > > On 12/08/07, Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> The W140 chassis suffers from wiring pre-degredation, very unreliable > >> computers (ignition, fuel injection, and climate control) and the > >> whacko "conveneince relay" system also famous on the BMW 740il series > >> of similar vintage. > >> > >> These are not whines, they are serious reliability problems. $4000 > >> for > >> an engine computer toasted by a bad wiring harness (another, what, > >> $2500 plus $1500 for installation), a $2500 climate control computer, > >> an engine trashed by a stupidly designed computer maintenance > >> scheduling program, outrageous parts (dual pane argon filled passenger > >> windows, a "feature" shared by Lexus) so a broken window costs $1000 > >> to > >> fix -- doesn't take long to figure out no one is going to spend that > >> kinda money on fixing an $80,000 car, especially when all the > >> electronics fail in a couple of years, average. > >> > >> The basic design is great, the materials (excepting anything > >> electronic) is as good as it gets, but after $10,000 a year in > >> warranty > >> work, the owners dump them the day the warranty is up. Lots of them > >> are in the dump, not worth fixing because the replacement parts are > >> gonna croak in 25,000 miles just like the originals. > >> > >> My mechanic friend won't work on them, too much chance disconnecting > >> the computer cables will fry the computer when you plug it back in due > >> to all the insulation in the harness falling off the wires when you > >> flex them. I'm not kidding, the Indianapolis Benz service center > >> warns > >> you NOT to unplug the computer unless you are replacing the > >> harness. > >> > >> It was the beginning of the serious slide in quality Benz has > >> undergone > >> since being affiliated with Chrysler. Must have gotten the MoPar > >> people involved in sourcing and specifying parts -- mostly junk. > >> There > >> was also a massive influx of American trained designers into the > >> German > >> auto world (see my comments on the BMW 740il series above. Lots of > >> fancy crap for the American disposable car market, ruined the product. > >> Spring seats rusting off, doors that go "clank" when you close the, > >> "smart" electronics for the stinking window motors for Christ's sake, > >> running off an Ethernet system and all internlinked computers, and so > >> forth. $350 for a window motor and a $2500 tool to program it > >> > >> Disposable cars, once it's out of warrenty, it goes to the discount > >> lot > >> and hence to the dump. Lovely world we live in, eh? > >> > >> Peter > >> > >> On Aug 12, 2007, at 12:36 PM, E M wrote: > >> > >>> Geez, you guys are really down on W140s. I know it has a lot of > >>> systems and > >>> not the most reasonable car to own, but I don't think mercedes ever > >>> inten
Re: [MBZ] OT, Kabota diesel power problem question
Thanks Rich, but we topped it off after the filter changes. Dave, that's good to hear, I know my 603 has a good return flow. So is it possible that without the supply pump working, the IP cannot supply enough fuel on its own to create a return fuel flow? Which means the injectors are not getting cooled so they get hot, expand and shut down. How about that theory? Harry On 8/12/07, dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm familiar with the Kubota D905 3cylinder diesel. > The return line always has a healthy flow of fuel going through it. > > -Dave Walton > > On 8/11/07, Harry Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What effect would bypassing the supply pump have on power? Someone has > > looped the inlet to the outlet with a short piece of hose > > > > The new owners of the golf course asked me to look at one of their Toro > > mowers that runs weak. I replaced both breather elements, both fuel > filters > > and drained the fuel tank, all of that looked funky. They mowed up a > fairly > > steep fairway with all five reels running and all seemed well. After > about > > 35 minutes, it started losing power and then shut down. After a cooling > > period, it restarted. The next day, someone noticed the tank vent tube > was > > crimped and corrected it. Went back out and did the 35 minute thing > again. > > > > Today, I pulled and inspected the in-line filter fuel and it was clean. > > Then I found the supply pump bypassed and that's where I am now. Oh > yeah, I > > did remove the return line at the tank while the engine was at idle and > it > > was bone dry. > > > > This is a four cylinder, 40 HP with a Bosch type Mini pump. The supply > pump > > is mounted to the IP, just under the delivery valves. > > > > Harry > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ] 1987 300SDL
Kaleb, I started working on the SDL today & realized how much I really like the car. So I'm going to keep the diesel & return the 260E to my friend Cynthia because I really can't have both. By the way, if anyone is interested in her car, and it's a very nice one, please send me an email & I'll foreword it on to her. The car is a 1989 260E, charcoal grey, light tan interior, 207,000 miles. The interior is perfect except for the left rear arm rest that's pulled loose. Also, the right, rear door has been pushed in but the damage is minor. Also, everything (and I mean everything!) works except for the center vents. The AC still appears to be R12 & it's a little low. The car has been in her family for many years and is well maintained. Send me an email & I will pass it along to her. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: Kaleb C. Striplin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 1:21 PM To: Tom Hargrave Subject: Re: ] 1987 300SDL Will look forward to pics!! Thanks, Kaleb Tom Hargrave wrote: > Kaleb, > > I'll take some pictures & post them to one of my web sites for everyone > to see on Sunday. The car has just short of 300,000 miles on the clock & > it's charcoal grey with a black interior. > > Overall, the interior is in good shape but the bottoms of the seat > skirts have pulled out & need to be re-stuffed into the rails. The > padding is in good shape. You've owned enough Mercedes to understand > what is going on with the seats. > > Tom > > Original Message > From: Kaleb C. Striplin, work <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: 08/11/07 02:49 AM > To: Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: ] 1987 300SDL > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > What color is it? How many miles? Any pictures you can get of > exterior/interior would be great. > > Thanks, > > Kaleb > > --- > Kaleb C. Striplin > Cox Auto Trader > 730 PP Supervisor > > - Original Message - > From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'Kaleb C. Striplin, work'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 4:10 PM > Subject: RE: ] 1987 300SDL > > >> I'm in North Alabama & I can post some pictures to my web site if > you'd >> like. What specifically do you want pictures of? >> >> Also, some items I forgot to list are new headlight glass & surrounds > - >> not >> installed yet. >> >> Thanks, >> Tom Hargrave >> www.kegkits.com >> 256-656-1924 >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Kaleb C. Striplin, work [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 7:41 AM >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: Re: ] 1987 300SDL >> >> >> Where are you located? Got any pics? >> --- >> Kaleb C. Striplin >> Cox Auto Trader >> 730 PP Supervisor >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" >> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 11:00 PM >> Subject: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL >> >> >>> I've found a 1989 260E in great shape & have suddenly become a > motivated >>> seller. >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm offering my 1987 300SDL up for sale for $1800.00. >>> >>> >>> >>> I need to sell the 300SDL before my Wife's next trip home so that > She's >>> not >>> too pissed At least they are close to the same color but I > suspect >>> that >>> She will notice anyway. >>> >>> >>> >>> The car does have some issues: >>> >>> Leaking #5 seal at top of IP - will be fixed Sunday. >>> >>> Left, front caliper binds - needs rebuild. >>> >>> Power seats are iffy. >>> >>> Needs driver door window regulator replaced - I have the part. >>> >>> Rear window regulators work but the glass drops down if you wind the >>> windows >>> down - needs to be re-attached to the windows. >>> >>> Leaky head gasket - it's been doing this for the last 100,000 miles. > I >>> figured I'd fix it when it got worse & it has not. >>> >>> Rebuilt title >>> >>> >>> >>> And on the plus side: >>> >>> Gets 25 MPH Hwy & 22 MPG City & that's with me driving! >>> >>> Recently rebuilt transmission >>> >>> Handles & drives straight >>> >>> New radiator >>> >>> Rebuilt starter >>> >>> Rebuilt alternator >>> >>> Newer belt tensioner adapter >>> >>> New vacuum pump - the one that does not explode & take out the IP > timer >>> on >>> the way out >>> >>> Nice aftermarket radio with CD player >>> >>> Converted to R134a >>> >>> Newer rear end differential out of a 300SDL that only had 38,000 > miles on >>> the clock. >>> >>> Many other items that I don't remember right now. >>> >>> And it's been owned by me! OK, so maybe this isn't a plus... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Tom Hargrave >>> >>> www.kegkits.com >>> >>> 256-656-1924 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >>> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>
Re: [MBZ] $8500 POS
That $8500 car will cost that much every year or two to keep on the road. I don't think you get it -- no engine computer = dead car, and NONE of them last like they should. I've known people to get two or three during the extended warranty period -- and they are $4000 EACH. Ditto for the climate control, no workarounds possible, if it's out you have no ventilation, and it's the electronics. Window controller box fails pretty often, another $2500 so you can open a window. Only the 350 diesel is usable long term unless you have the cash to drop $5000 or more per year in repair PARTS -- there are NO used engine or climate control modules out there. Peter On Aug 12, 2007, at 1:43 PM, E M wrote: > As I said, parts and labour are not cheap however you look at it. > Mind you, > take a 240D to a dealer and check the bill you'll get! :-) I had a > well off > friend how liked his old 300D. He would often spend more than the > market > value on the car for a service! The was to run a old 140 is to do > what many > do here, buy several. With cars costing so little, why buy parts? > Pick one > up, part it out and stock piles bits you know you'll need. There was > a lot > of recycled material that went into the 140. I'm pretty sure parts > made > with that junk didn't do much better in other models either. > > Ed > 300E > > On 12/08/07, Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> The W140 chassis suffers from wiring pre-degredation, very unreliable >> computers (ignition, fuel injection, and climate control) and the >> whacko "conveneince relay" system also famous on the BMW 740il series >> of similar vintage. >> >> These are not whines, they are serious reliability problems. $4000 >> for >> an engine computer toasted by a bad wiring harness (another, what, >> $2500 plus $1500 for installation), a $2500 climate control computer, >> an engine trashed by a stupidly designed computer maintenance >> scheduling program, outrageous parts (dual pane argon filled passenger >> windows, a "feature" shared by Lexus) so a broken window costs $1000 >> to >> fix -- doesn't take long to figure out no one is going to spend that >> kinda money on fixing an $80,000 car, especially when all the >> electronics fail in a couple of years, average. >> >> The basic design is great, the materials (excepting anything >> electronic) is as good as it gets, but after $10,000 a year in >> warranty >> work, the owners dump them the day the warranty is up. Lots of them >> are in the dump, not worth fixing because the replacement parts are >> gonna croak in 25,000 miles just like the originals. >> >> My mechanic friend won't work on them, too much chance disconnecting >> the computer cables will fry the computer when you plug it back in due >> to all the insulation in the harness falling off the wires when you >> flex them. I'm not kidding, the Indianapolis Benz service center >> warns >> you NOT to unplug the computer unless you are replacing the >> harness. >> >> It was the beginning of the serious slide in quality Benz has >> undergone >> since being affiliated with Chrysler. Must have gotten the MoPar >> people involved in sourcing and specifying parts -- mostly junk. >> There >> was also a massive influx of American trained designers into the >> German >> auto world (see my comments on the BMW 740il series above. Lots of >> fancy crap for the American disposable car market, ruined the product. >> Spring seats rusting off, doors that go "clank" when you close the, >> "smart" electronics for the stinking window motors for Christ's sake, >> running off an Ethernet system and all internlinked computers, and so >> forth. $350 for a window motor and a $2500 tool to program it >> >> Disposable cars, once it's out of warrenty, it goes to the discount >> lot >> and hence to the dump. Lovely world we live in, eh? >> >> Peter >> >> On Aug 12, 2007, at 12:36 PM, E M wrote: >> >>> Geez, you guys are really down on W140s. I know it has a lot of >>> systems and >>> not the most reasonable car to own, but I don't think mercedes ever >>> intended >>> it to be an econo box. I think as far as sedans go, it was one of >>> those >>> concorde moments. People look at the cost to run and service it and >>> forget >>> just what it was at the time. All the little things, like a big >>> sedan >>> that >>> would go like stink and still handle great. The US market wasn't >>> keen >>> on >>> the idea of changing tires so often as they thought they should last >>> as long >>> on an S as they do on their Ford, so the tires were "dumbed down" to >>> last >>> longer, and then ppl complained about the tire noise. ha ha ha. The >>> market >>> just isnt' there for these cars, much like the unappreciated porsche >>> 928. >>> But bring me all the $1000 S500s you can find! :-) I think they are >>> great >>> cars that are worth preserving and enjoying. >>> >>> Ed >>> 300E >>> >>> On 12/08/07, Robert & Tara Ludwick <
Re: [MBZ] thoughts on diesel clatter
I understand but in this case, it matters very little. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Craig McCluskey Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 3:31 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] thoughts on diesel clatter On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 11:53:12 -0500 "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Liquids don't compress. Believe me, everything compresses. It's just that some things compress more than others. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] thoughts on diesel clatter
On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 13:21:40 -0500 Fmiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It seems than at Sun, 12 Aug 2007 12:49:50 -0500, Luther wrote: > > > Say an air compressor > > But diesel is a liquid, and as such it doesn't compress. It does compress, just not as much as air. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] thoughts on diesel clatter
On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 11:53:12 -0500 "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Liquids don't compress. Believe me, everything compresses. It's just that some things compress more than others. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mann Oil Filters Coming Apart
Robert Rentfro wrote: > During yesterday's oil change, I had the third consecutive Mann oil filter > come out in two pieces; the paper section became separate from the metal > section. What's the deal on that? Anyone else experience this? Does that > failure allow a path for oil to flow where it's not filtered? > > I put a Hengst in this time to see what happens. Any chance that the filters got wet. Counterfeit filters are NOT unknown! Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] $8500 POS
As I said, parts and labour are not cheap however you look at it. Mind you, take a 240D to a dealer and check the bill you'll get! :-) I had a well off friend how liked his old 300D. He would often spend more than the market value on the car for a service! The was to run a old 140 is to do what many do here, buy several. With cars costing so little, why buy parts? Pick one up, part it out and stock piles bits you know you'll need. There was a lot of recycled material that went into the 140. I'm pretty sure parts made with that junk didn't do much better in other models either. Ed 300E On 12/08/07, Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The W140 chassis suffers from wiring pre-degredation, very unreliable > computers (ignition, fuel injection, and climate control) and the > whacko "conveneince relay" system also famous on the BMW 740il series > of similar vintage. > > These are not whines, they are serious reliability problems. $4000 for > an engine computer toasted by a bad wiring harness (another, what, > $2500 plus $1500 for installation), a $2500 climate control computer, > an engine trashed by a stupidly designed computer maintenance > scheduling program, outrageous parts (dual pane argon filled passenger > windows, a "feature" shared by Lexus) so a broken window costs $1000 to > fix -- doesn't take long to figure out no one is going to spend that > kinda money on fixing an $80,000 car, especially when all the > electronics fail in a couple of years, average. > > The basic design is great, the materials (excepting anything > electronic) is as good as it gets, but after $10,000 a year in warranty > work, the owners dump them the day the warranty is up. Lots of them > are in the dump, not worth fixing because the replacement parts are > gonna croak in 25,000 miles just like the originals. > > My mechanic friend won't work on them, too much chance disconnecting > the computer cables will fry the computer when you plug it back in due > to all the insulation in the harness falling off the wires when you > flex them. I'm not kidding, the Indianapolis Benz service center warns > you NOT to unplug the computer unless you are replacing the > harness. > > It was the beginning of the serious slide in quality Benz has undergone > since being affiliated with Chrysler. Must have gotten the MoPar > people involved in sourcing and specifying parts -- mostly junk. There > was also a massive influx of American trained designers into the German > auto world (see my comments on the BMW 740il series above. Lots of > fancy crap for the American disposable car market, ruined the product. > Spring seats rusting off, doors that go "clank" when you close the, > "smart" electronics for the stinking window motors for Christ's sake, > running off an Ethernet system and all internlinked computers, and so > forth. $350 for a window motor and a $2500 tool to program it > > Disposable cars, once it's out of warrenty, it goes to the discount lot > and hence to the dump. Lovely world we live in, eh? > > Peter > > On Aug 12, 2007, at 12:36 PM, E M wrote: > > > Geez, you guys are really down on W140s. I know it has a lot of > > systems and > > not the most reasonable car to own, but I don't think mercedes ever > > intended > > it to be an econo box. I think as far as sedans go, it was one of > > those > > concorde moments. People look at the cost to run and service it and > > forget > > just what it was at the time. All the little things, like a big sedan > > that > > would go like stink and still handle great. The US market wasn't keen > > on > > the idea of changing tires so often as they thought they should last > > as long > > on an S as they do on their Ford, so the tires were "dumbed down" to > > last > > longer, and then ppl complained about the tire noise. ha ha ha. The > > market > > just isnt' there for these cars, much like the unappreciated porsche > > 928. > > But bring me all the $1000 S500s you can find! :-) I think they are > > great > > cars that are worth preserving and enjoying. > > > > Ed > > 300E > > > > On 12/08/07, Robert & Tara Ludwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> I'd say the "decimal two places to the left " estimate is probably > >> accurate. There may be that much in metal, but in a recent > >> conversation > >> with a boneyard owner, it was costing him a combined $20 an hour in > >> labour to tear the things apart , so if your time is worth anything > >> and > >> it would take a single person a lot longer than the 3 guys > >> eviscerating > >> one at the boneyard with all of their available implements of > >> destruction.. > >> > >> --Robert > >> > >> Mitch Haley wrote: > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>> > >>> > Holy cats. A 140, 200K miles AND it's been wet. Move the decimal > >> point two > places left. > > >>> > >>> Not quite that far. A 140 is HEAVY. Gotta be at least $300 for scrap > >> metal. > >>> If you can sell the doo
Re: [MBZ] thoughts on diesel clatter
But for all practical purposes, diesel fuel is not compressible. It's like the pendulum composed of 5 suspended balls. You pull one away, let go and as soon as it hits the second one, the 5th one swings out, then the 5th one swings back in, hits the 4th one & the first one swings out, etc, etc. In this example, what's being transferred in the energy provided by releasing the first ball. The same is true with the fuel in the injection lines. The IP delivers pressure to the front end, the pressure travels down the line in a very fast moving wave, the pressure wave overcomes the poppet valve spring pressure & the entire column of fuel moves down the line. This is also why diesel injector lines are all a constant length. The pressure wave travels at a set speed & if the lines were different lengths then you really would have a timing issue. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Luther Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 12:50 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] thoughts on diesel clatter Say an air compressor is set to turn off at 120 psi. This takes 8 minutes and x number of strokes of said air compressor to achieve this. Then, change the pressure cutoff to 110 psi, and it now takes 7 minutes 23 seconds and x-150 strokes of said air compressor. Then, change the pressure to cutoff at 130 psi. That takes 9 minutes 5 seconds and x+200 strokes of your air compressor. ***disclaimer:all previous calculations are random guesses*** The same physical rule applies to our injection systems. If you lower the pop pressure, the timing will be advanced. If you raise the pop pressure, the timing will be retarded. If you have properly set injectors (according to MB's spec) and if your IP pump produces the correct amount of pressure per stroke (i.e. not worn) and if your timing chain is not stretched, your timing will be correct. Any one of these factors can change with age and cause the timing to change. This is simple physics folks, you can't break/bend the law. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1979 240D Starter Replacement
I could only drop mine out the bottom. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fmiser Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 12:46 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1979 240D Starter Replacement It seems than at Sat, 11 Aug 2007 10:09:11 -0700 (PDT), LWB250 wrote: > Never having worked on a 240D, I'm not sure if the > exhaust routing would make it different... I think on my W123 240 I was able to reach in from the top and lift it out. But that was a while ago, so my memory could be faulty. I probably had to take the air cleaner off. However, I am sure that I didn't have to remove or loosen anything more significant than the air cleaner to do the swap. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] thoughts on diesel clatter
It seems than at Sun, 12 Aug 2007 12:49:50 -0500, Luther wrote: > Say an air compressor But diesel is a liquid, and as such it doesn't compress. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!
Anybody remember a long time ago, back when bumpers were bumpers Double service to pop a brew! Take care, Chuck Phoenix AZ On Aug 12, 2007, at 10:29 AM, Tom Hargrave wrote: > I used the edge of a table once - did not go well with the > Wife.. > > Thanks, > Tom Hargrave > www.kegkits.com > 256-656-1924 > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Linux distribution and winmodems [was Re: Classic car]]
It seems than at Sat, 11 Aug 2007 19:22:15 -0400, archer wrote: > >> >> I wonder why this URL wanted to change my registry? > >> >> Gerry Archer > >> --- > >> > Good question. On Linux I don't even have a registry. > >> > Craig > >> --- > >> Which distribution are you running? I've played with Ubuntu, Knoppix, > >> and Red Hat at different times but keep getting hung up at various > >> points. Ubuntu seemed to be more user friendly but I couldn't get it > >> set up with the winmodem to access the internet last time. > --- > > I've been running Fedora Core 4 and am about to go to Fedora Core 7. > > What kind of winmodem do you have? I presume your only access is dialup. > > Craig > --- > I have several brands of Winmodem and I'm not sure which brand is in the > computer I'm trying Ubuntu in. All are 56K dialup accessing an ISP. When I > tried to set up Red Hat a few years ago, it wouldn't recognize my Winmodem; > it said I needed a standard modem which cost about $80 back then. Since > then I've heard that quite a few distributions do recognize Windmodems. Winmodems are dicey. It all depends on the chipset. Some work, quick and easy. Others require compiling a driver. Some don't work at all. Lots more info at: http://www.linmodems.org/ The modem in my IBM laptop was easy. I have a couple PCI-style that are the impossible kind. One is the compile-a-driver and I failed to get it working, so I now use an external serial modem. A couple buck more money, but with wvdial it's super easy. If you need a internal PCI type, $43 for a Zoom. http://www.adamant.com/ItemInfo_563025.asp?GotoID=ITEM&PrdAbr=MDZ56-3025&menu=PARTS Or an IBM http://www5.pc.ibm.com/us/products.nsf/$wwwPartNumLookup/_33L4618 from http://www.saveateagle.com/33l4618-02.html?code=33L4618-02 --Philip, stuck with dialup ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1979 240D Starter Replacement
It seems than at Sat, 11 Aug 2007 10:09:11 -0700 (PDT), LWB250 wrote: > Never having worked on a 240D, I'm not sure if the > exhaust routing would make it different... I think on my W123 240 I was able to reach in from the top and lift it out. But that was a while ago, so my memory could be faulty. I probably had to take the air cleaner off. However, I am sure that I didn't have to remove or loosen anything more significant than the air cleaner to do the swap. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pressure washers
It seems than at Sat, 11 Aug 2007 18:31:38 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The Gunk seems to cool the engines enough that shock damage is not an > issue, but never spray water directly on a hot engine ??? Does that mean that I can't drive in the rain? --Philip, who's driven through lots of puddles with a hot engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] $8500 POS
The W140 chassis suffers from wiring pre-degredation, very unreliable computers (ignition, fuel injection, and climate control) and the whacko "conveneince relay" system also famous on the BMW 740il series of similar vintage. These are not whines, they are serious reliability problems. $4000 for an engine computer toasted by a bad wiring harness (another, what, $2500 plus $1500 for installation), a $2500 climate control computer, an engine trashed by a stupidly designed computer maintenance scheduling program, outrageous parts (dual pane argon filled passenger windows, a "feature" shared by Lexus) so a broken window costs $1000 to fix -- doesn't take long to figure out no one is going to spend that kinda money on fixing an $80,000 car, especially when all the electronics fail in a couple of years, average. The basic design is great, the materials (excepting anything electronic) is as good as it gets, but after $10,000 a year in warranty work, the owners dump them the day the warranty is up. Lots of them are in the dump, not worth fixing because the replacement parts are gonna croak in 25,000 miles just like the originals. My mechanic friend won't work on them, too much chance disconnecting the computer cables will fry the computer when you plug it back in due to all the insulation in the harness falling off the wires when you flex them. I'm not kidding, the Indianapolis Benz service center warns you NOT to unplug the computer unless you are replacing the harness. It was the beginning of the serious slide in quality Benz has undergone since being affiliated with Chrysler. Must have gotten the MoPar people involved in sourcing and specifying parts -- mostly junk. There was also a massive influx of American trained designers into the German auto world (see my comments on the BMW 740il series above. Lots of fancy crap for the American disposable car market, ruined the product. Spring seats rusting off, doors that go "clank" when you close the, "smart" electronics for the stinking window motors for Christ's sake, running off an Ethernet system and all internlinked computers, and so forth. $350 for a window motor and a $2500 tool to program it Disposable cars, once it's out of warrenty, it goes to the discount lot and hence to the dump. Lovely world we live in, eh? Peter On Aug 12, 2007, at 12:36 PM, E M wrote: > Geez, you guys are really down on W140s. I know it has a lot of > systems and > not the most reasonable car to own, but I don't think mercedes ever > intended > it to be an econo box. I think as far as sedans go, it was one of > those > concorde moments. People look at the cost to run and service it and > forget > just what it was at the time. All the little things, like a big sedan > that > would go like stink and still handle great. The US market wasn't keen > on > the idea of changing tires so often as they thought they should last > as long > on an S as they do on their Ford, so the tires were "dumbed down" to > last > longer, and then ppl complained about the tire noise. ha ha ha. The > market > just isnt' there for these cars, much like the unappreciated porsche > 928. > But bring me all the $1000 S500s you can find! :-) I think they are > great > cars that are worth preserving and enjoying. > > Ed > 300E > > On 12/08/07, Robert & Tara Ludwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> I'd say the "decimal two places to the left " estimate is probably >> accurate. There may be that much in metal, but in a recent >> conversation >> with a boneyard owner, it was costing him a combined $20 an hour in >> labour to tear the things apart , so if your time is worth anything >> and >> it would take a single person a lot longer than the 3 guys >> eviscerating >> one at the boneyard with all of their available implements of >> destruction.. >> >> --Robert >> >> Mitch Haley wrote: >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> >>> Holy cats. A 140, 200K miles AND it's been wet. Move the decimal >> point two places left. >>> >>> Not quite that far. A 140 is HEAVY. Gotta be at least $300 for scrap >> metal. >>> If you can sell the doors, trunk lid, fenders and hood for $100 each, >> and if >>> the seats are nice enough to sell for $250, the car's easily worth >>> $850. >>> Engine and tranny might even be worth something IF the fluids were >> changed >>> before it was started. >>> Mitch. >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >>> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change deliv
Re: [MBZ] thoughts on diesel clatter
Say an air compressor is set to turn off at 120 psi. This takes 8 minutes and x number of strokes of said air compressor to achieve this. Then, change the pressure cutoff to 110 psi, and it now takes 7 minutes 23 seconds and x-150 strokes of said air compressor. Then, change the pressure to cutoff at 130 psi. That takes 9 minutes 5 seconds and x+200 strokes of your air compressor. ***disclaimer:all previous calculations are random guesses*** The same physical rule applies to our injection systems. If you lower the pop pressure, the timing will be advanced. If you raise the pop pressure, the timing will be retarded. If you have properly set injectors (according to MB's spec) and if your IP pump produces the correct amount of pressure per stroke (i.e. not worn) and if your timing chain is not stretched, your timing will be correct. Any one of these factors can change with age and cause the timing to change. This is simple physics folks, you can't break/bend the law. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ph.D.'s
My department head is determined to see me do my doctorate, so I have to keep my head down until I finish my current program to break the news to her. Right now she thinks the sun shines out my arse, and I don't want to do anything that would jeopardize that. I will say that once you get plugged in to the grant pipeline, it's amazing the amount of money that's out there. I hooked my cart to a prof that is very good at grant writing (think goodness!) and as a result have done a number of grant funded projects. While there is a budget, there seems to be little oversight on how the funds are used as long as it's got something to do with the grant. I just closed out my last research project last week and got the letter from the IRB folks saying they approved it. Right behind that letter came another about how they are going to start charging for IRBs. Ouch. Looks like the engineering and med school folks are going to feel the brunt of it from the looks of things. Dan --- Tony Wirtel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > One of the factors that drove me to stop at a > masters was a comment by > a wise department head I was talking to. He said > that he regrets the > shift in academic research (at least in engineering) > to grant driven > projects; said that once upon a time a PhD was about > a building a > strong mind, whereas now it was simply a matter of > having a strong > back. > > That said, at the conclusion of my masters defense > this May one of my > committee members asked me (and my advisor) why the > work I presented > wasn't a for a Ph.D.! I have no regrets, though. Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] $8500 POS
Geez, you guys are really down on W140s. I know it has a lot of systems and not the most reasonable car to own, but I don't think mercedes ever intended it to be an econo box. I think as far as sedans go, it was one of those concorde moments. People look at the cost to run and service it and forget just what it was at the time. All the little things, like a big sedan that would go like stink and still handle great. The US market wasn't keen on the idea of changing tires so often as they thought they should last as long on an S as they do on their Ford, so the tires were "dumbed down" to last longer, and then ppl complained about the tire noise. ha ha ha. The market just isnt' there for these cars, much like the unappreciated porsche 928. But bring me all the $1000 S500s you can find! :-) I think they are great cars that are worth preserving and enjoying. Ed 300E On 12/08/07, Robert & Tara Ludwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'd say the "decimal two places to the left " estimate is probably > accurate. There may be that much in metal, but in a recent conversation > with a boneyard owner, it was costing him a combined $20 an hour in > labour to tear the things apart , so if your time is worth anything and > it would take a single person a lot longer than the 3 guys eviscerating > one at the boneyard with all of their available implements of > destruction.. > > --Robert > > Mitch Haley wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > >> Holy cats. A 140, 200K miles AND it's been wet. Move the decimal > point two > >> places left. > >> > > > > Not quite that far. A 140 is HEAVY. Gotta be at least $300 for scrap > metal. > > If you can sell the doors, trunk lid, fenders and hood for $100 each, > and if > > the seats are nice enough to sell for $250, the car's easily worth $850. > > Engine and tranny might even be worth something IF the fluids were > changed > > before it was started. > > Mitch. > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, Kabota diesel power problem question
I'm familiar with the Kubota D905 3cylinder diesel. The return line always has a healthy flow of fuel going through it. -Dave Walton On 8/11/07, Harry Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What effect would bypassing the supply pump have on power? Someone has > looped the inlet to the outlet with a short piece of hose > > The new owners of the golf course asked me to look at one of their Toro > mowers that runs weak. I replaced both breather elements, both fuel filters > and drained the fuel tank, all of that looked funky. They mowed up a fairly > steep fairway with all five reels running and all seemed well. After about > 35 minutes, it started losing power and then shut down. After a cooling > period, it restarted. The next day, someone noticed the tank vent tube was > crimped and corrected it. Went back out and did the 35 minute thing again. > > Today, I pulled and inspected the in-line filter fuel and it was clean. > Then I found the supply pump bypassed and that's where I am now. Oh yeah, I > did remove the return line at the tank while the engine was at idle and it > was bone dry. > > This is a four cylinder, 40 HP with a Bosch type Mini pump. The supply pump > is mounted to the IP, just under the delivery valves. > > Harry > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] thoughts on diesel clatter
Huge inky clouds sometimes. Quite startling -- I had this problem on my Volvo TD, may not be so bad on the Benz. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Linux distribution and winmodems [was Re: Classic car]]
The university I attend and also work at from time to time as a research assistant is a big-time (top 50) research university. Grant dollars drive everything, and if you don't produce, you either get trampled or pushed out. Publish or perish! If I was to go after my doctorate I don't think I would want that sort of pressure. There are only a handful of doc students in my department, and they are truly the "hired help". With all the crap that gets dumped on them I can't see how they would ever finish. Part of the deal is that you either have to teach several classes or act as a research assistant for a professor to maintain your enrollment. Dan --- Hendrik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That all depends if you are doing your doctorate in > something you really > love and there is a need for. It's a big mountain to > climb and unless > you really love doing IT stuff, you may not make it. > My Uncle did a PhD in toxicology with emphasis on > the blue ring octopus. > >From memory he was in his fifties (I think he > started it in his > thirties) when he finally presented his paper, > however he did it before > they started changing the Unis to make them more > profit orientated. Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!
I used the edge of a table once - did not go well with the Wife.. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 12:23 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot! That's what teeth are for, eh? --R Wonko the Sane wrote: > I sliced my hand open while trying to > do the twist-off cap thing on a bottle of Canadian ale that was not equipped > with a twist-off cap. > > D. > > O > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, Kabota diesel power problem question
On my Dad's John Deere tractor, 3 cyl diesel, it would do the same thing. Turns out it was air getting into the fuel line. There were a couple of bleed screws near the filter to let it out, I would do that, it would run awhile then die again. Tank had maybe 1/4 in it, I filled it and no more problem. I figured that maybe the pickup had a hole in it, or something else causing air to get in at low tankage. --R Harry Watkins wrote: > What effect would bypassing the supply pump have on power? Someone has > looped the inlet to the outlet with a short piece of hose > > The new owners of the golf course asked me to look at one of their Toro > mowers that runs weak. I replaced both breather elements, both fuel filters > and drained the fuel tank, all of that looked funky. They mowed up a fairly > steep fairway with all five reels running and all seemed well. After about > 35 minutes, it started losing power and then shut down. After a cooling > period, it restarted. The next day, someone noticed the tank vent tube was > crimped and corrected it. Went back out and did the 35 minute thing again. > > Today, I pulled and inspected the in-line filter fuel and it was clean. > Then I found the supply pump bypassed and that's where I am now. Oh yeah, I > did remove the return line at the tank while the engine was at idle and it > was bone dry. > > This is a four cylinder, 40 HP with a Bosch type Mini pump. The supply pump > is mounted to the IP, just under the delivery valves. > > Harry > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!
That's what teeth are for, eh? --R Wonko the Sane wrote: > I sliced my hand open while trying to > do the twist-off cap thing on a bottle of Canadian ale that was not equipped > with a twist-off cap. > > D. > > O > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] thoughts on diesel clatter
Liquids don't compress. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 11:04 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] thoughts on diesel clatter Opening pressure does have an effect on timing, as it takes a finite amount of travel to open the nozzle and there is some compression effect (although minor). That's why you should set all the nozzles close to the same pressure, whatever it is, when rebuilding, else you may get a rumbling engine at idle due to different opening times. Some engines show this much more than others. Leaking injectors cause much more timing divergence, obviously, so do leaking delivery valves or seals. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] thoughts on diesel clatter
Re-read my previous email. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dave walton Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 11:46 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] thoughts on diesel clatter This is turning into a dead horse, but what the hell... Wouldn't a bad spray pattern delay the ignition of the fuel? My assumption has been that the clatter is due to early ignition. Thanks -Dave Walton On 8/12/07, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All of the flow in the return line is due to fuel that leaks past the > injector body & it's a very small leak. The leak is intentional & is > designed to lubricate the injector. > > You are correct that the pressure setting affects the way the engine runs > but the pressure setting affect the spray pattern. Higher pressure = faster > spray from the injector nozzle = better atomization of the fuel. > > Thanks, > Tom Hargrave > www.kegkits.com > 256-656-1924 > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of dave walton > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 11:15 AM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] thoughts on diesel clatter > > All the flow through the return line is the result of pressure drop > AFTER the injector fires, right? > My direct observation has been that the same injectors set to > different release pressures affect the amount of clatter. I have been > assuming that is due to the timing difference. > Am I wrong? > > -Dave Walton > > On 8/12/07, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You have forgotten some important points. > > > > I don't know how fast your arm is but the down stroke on my pressure > tester > > is probably 100 times slower than the delivery stroke on at diesel IP at > > idle & the delivery stroke speed only gets faster as the engine RPMs > > increase. Plus on a tight system, the injector line is already at the > > pop-off pressure from the last cycle. This means that delivery starts the > > moment the IP piston port closes regardless of spring tension. You have to > > re-build pressure with every stroke of your tester. > > > > Thanks, > > Tom Hargrave > > www.kegkits.com > > 256-656-1924 > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On Behalf Of dave walton > > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 10:32 AM > > To: Mercedes Discussion List > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] thoughts on diesel clatter > > > > The more pressure exerted by the spring in the injector, the more fuel > > pressure it takes for the injector to fire. It takes more Time to > > develop higher pressure. Time = Timing. > > > > Hook an injector up to a pressure tester, change the shims and see for > > yourself. > > Am I missing something? > > > > -Dave Walton > > > > On 8/12/07, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Timing is 100% controlled by the IP & the injector is just a poppet > valve. > > > > > > Weak spring pressure affects the spray pattern, not the injection timing > & > > > this causes the clatter. > > > > > > Another failure is a leaking injector which can leak fuel into the > > > pre-chamber during the intake stroke & cause nailing. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Tom Hargrave > > > www.kegkits.com > > > 256-656-1924 > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > On Behalf Of dave walton > > > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 4:27 AM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List > > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] thoughts on diesel clatter > > > > > > My experience has been that diesel clatter is caused by weakening of > > > the spring in the injector. That causes it to fire at a lower > > > pressure. Eventually it injects the fuel so prematurely that it > > > ignites while the piston is still on the upstroke. > > > > > > -Dave Walton > > > > > > On 8/11/07, John M McIntosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Well since my 500SEL is busy having a rebuilt transmission installed > > > > I was forced to cart four people across the rockies up the Coquihalla > > > > Highway 5 to 8% grade for nearly 3000 feet of altitude in the 92 > > > > wagon. For reference the OM603 will only do 75 mph flat out up the > > > > 8% grade, water temp rose from 85C to 100C. That and another 500 > > > > miles of mountain driving and 250 miles of flat land. > > > > > > > > After all this my wife noticed the clatter is *much* louder at idle, > > > > much more clatter/bearings bouncing/burbling kinda noise. > > > > > > > > I wondering if I knocked loose lots of carbon (mind our normal > > > > driving over the last 40K miles has been highway), and it's causing > all > > > > this racket? Well that or blew a exhaust gasket (don't think so) or > > > > muffler joint. > > > > > > > > PS Saturday night in a unnamed rednecked city, never seen so many > > > > chipped dodge ram 3500s. When they stomp the throttle at the > > > > int
Re: [MBZ] OT Linux distribution and winmodems [was Re: Classic car]]
Yes. On 8/12/07, Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 22:09:03 -0500 "Wonko the Sane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Being a physicist is a definite advantage on payday. > > > > Don > > former IT guy > > I won't argue there. Do they offer a Ph.D. in IT kind of stuff? > > > Craig > > -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Linux distro downloads
Yea, I've been known to ship out a few distros over the last few years. On 8/12/07, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If you're nice, one of us with DSL (Don, myself, etc) will download your > distro's of choice and mail them to you. > > -- > Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark > '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case > '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) BioBeast > '82 300CD (166 kmi) > '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold > '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine > > > > Quoting archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > (I'll have to order a 7.04 disc. This dialup connect is too slow to > > download.) > > --- > > G: It's only 50MB! I can download that. Maybe I'll order a Ubuntu 7.04CD > > and a current version of Knoppix too. The one I have is version > > 3.(illegible). Between them maybe I can get a Linux OS up and running. > > Don't like the idea of spending money for Windows Vista when MS quits > > supporting WinXP. > > --- > > --- > > ThanksGerry > > = > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] thoughts on diesel clatter
This is turning into a dead horse, but what the hell... Wouldn't a bad spray pattern delay the ignition of the fuel? My assumption has been that the clatter is due to early ignition. Thanks -Dave Walton On 8/12/07, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All of the flow in the return line is due to fuel that leaks past the > injector body & it's a very small leak. The leak is intentional & is > designed to lubricate the injector. > > You are correct that the pressure setting affects the way the engine runs > but the pressure setting affect the spray pattern. Higher pressure = faster > spray from the injector nozzle = better atomization of the fuel. > > Thanks, > Tom Hargrave > www.kegkits.com > 256-656-1924 > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of dave walton > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 11:15 AM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] thoughts on diesel clatter > > All the flow through the return line is the result of pressure drop > AFTER the injector fires, right? > My direct observation has been that the same injectors set to > different release pressures affect the amount of clatter. I have been > assuming that is due to the timing difference. > Am I wrong? > > -Dave Walton > > On 8/12/07, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You have forgotten some important points. > > > > I don't know how fast your arm is but the down stroke on my pressure > tester > > is probably 100 times slower than the delivery stroke on at diesel IP at > > idle & the delivery stroke speed only gets faster as the engine RPMs > > increase. Plus on a tight system, the injector line is already at the > > pop-off pressure from the last cycle. This means that delivery starts the > > moment the IP piston port closes regardless of spring tension. You have to > > re-build pressure with every stroke of your tester. > > > > Thanks, > > Tom Hargrave > > www.kegkits.com > > 256-656-1924 > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On Behalf Of dave walton > > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 10:32 AM > > To: Mercedes Discussion List > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] thoughts on diesel clatter > > > > The more pressure exerted by the spring in the injector, the more fuel > > pressure it takes for the injector to fire. It takes more Time to > > develop higher pressure. Time = Timing. > > > > Hook an injector up to a pressure tester, change the shims and see for > > yourself. > > Am I missing something? > > > > -Dave Walton > > > > On 8/12/07, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Timing is 100% controlled by the IP & the injector is just a poppet > valve. > > > > > > Weak spring pressure affects the spray pattern, not the injection timing > & > > > this causes the clatter. > > > > > > Another failure is a leaking injector which can leak fuel into the > > > pre-chamber during the intake stroke & cause nailing. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Tom Hargrave > > > www.kegkits.com > > > 256-656-1924 > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > On Behalf Of dave walton > > > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 4:27 AM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List > > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] thoughts on diesel clatter > > > > > > My experience has been that diesel clatter is caused by weakening of > > > the spring in the injector. That causes it to fire at a lower > > > pressure. Eventually it injects the fuel so prematurely that it > > > ignites while the piston is still on the upstroke. > > > > > > -Dave Walton > > > > > > On 8/11/07, John M McIntosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Well since my 500SEL is busy having a rebuilt transmission installed > > > > I was forced to cart four people across the rockies up the Coquihalla > > > > Highway 5 to 8% grade for nearly 3000 feet of altitude in the 92 > > > > wagon. For reference the OM603 will only do 75 mph flat out up the > > > > 8% grade, water temp rose from 85C to 100C. That and another 500 > > > > miles of mountain driving and 250 miles of flat land. > > > > > > > > After all this my wife noticed the clatter is *much* louder at idle, > > > > much more clatter/bearings bouncing/burbling kinda noise. > > > > > > > > I wondering if I knocked loose lots of carbon (mind our normal > > > > driving over the last 40K miles has been highway), and it's causing > all > > > > this racket? Well that or blew a exhaust gasket (don't think so) or > > > > muffler joint. > > > > > > > > PS Saturday night in a unnamed rednecked city, never seen so many > > > > chipped dodge ram 3500s. When they stomp the throttle at the > > > > intersections, billowing clouds of black diesel smoke, same on the > > > > highway, mind at 80 mph it's lots of roar and smoke, not much > > > > acceleration, no need to check blind spots you sure can hear them. > > > > > > > > John > > > > 1983 300TDt 385k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) > > > > 1990's
Re: [MBZ] thoughts on diesel clatter
All of the flow in the return line is due to fuel that leaks past the injector body & it's a very small leak. The leak is intentional & is designed to lubricate the injector. You are correct that the pressure setting affects the way the engine runs but the pressure setting affect the spray pattern. Higher pressure = faster spray from the injector nozzle = better atomization of the fuel. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dave walton Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 11:15 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] thoughts on diesel clatter All the flow through the return line is the result of pressure drop AFTER the injector fires, right? My direct observation has been that the same injectors set to different release pressures affect the amount of clatter. I have been assuming that is due to the timing difference. Am I wrong? -Dave Walton On 8/12/07, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You have forgotten some important points. > > I don't know how fast your arm is but the down stroke on my pressure tester > is probably 100 times slower than the delivery stroke on at diesel IP at > idle & the delivery stroke speed only gets faster as the engine RPMs > increase. Plus on a tight system, the injector line is already at the > pop-off pressure from the last cycle. This means that delivery starts the > moment the IP piston port closes regardless of spring tension. You have to > re-build pressure with every stroke of your tester. > > Thanks, > Tom Hargrave > www.kegkits.com > 256-656-1924 > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of dave walton > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 10:32 AM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] thoughts on diesel clatter > > The more pressure exerted by the spring in the injector, the more fuel > pressure it takes for the injector to fire. It takes more Time to > develop higher pressure. Time = Timing. > > Hook an injector up to a pressure tester, change the shims and see for > yourself. > Am I missing something? > > -Dave Walton > > On 8/12/07, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Timing is 100% controlled by the IP & the injector is just a poppet valve. > > > > Weak spring pressure affects the spray pattern, not the injection timing & > > this causes the clatter. > > > > Another failure is a leaking injector which can leak fuel into the > > pre-chamber during the intake stroke & cause nailing. > > > > Thanks, > > Tom Hargrave > > www.kegkits.com > > 256-656-1924 > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On Behalf Of dave walton > > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 4:27 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] thoughts on diesel clatter > > > > My experience has been that diesel clatter is caused by weakening of > > the spring in the injector. That causes it to fire at a lower > > pressure. Eventually it injects the fuel so prematurely that it > > ignites while the piston is still on the upstroke. > > > > -Dave Walton > > > > On 8/11/07, John M McIntosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Well since my 500SEL is busy having a rebuilt transmission installed > > > I was forced to cart four people across the rockies up the Coquihalla > > > Highway 5 to 8% grade for nearly 3000 feet of altitude in the 92 > > > wagon. For reference the OM603 will only do 75 mph flat out up the > > > 8% grade, water temp rose from 85C to 100C. That and another 500 > > > miles of mountain driving and 250 miles of flat land. > > > > > > After all this my wife noticed the clatter is *much* louder at idle, > > > much more clatter/bearings bouncing/burbling kinda noise. > > > > > > I wondering if I knocked loose lots of carbon (mind our normal > > > driving over the last 40K miles has been highway), and it's causing all > > > this racket? Well that or blew a exhaust gasket (don't think so) or > > > muffler joint. > > > > > > PS Saturday night in a unnamed rednecked city, never seen so many > > > chipped dodge ram 3500s. When they stomp the throttle at the > > > intersections, billowing clouds of black diesel smoke, same on the > > > highway, mind at 80 mph it's lots of roar and smoke, not much > > > acceleration, no need to check blind spots you sure can hear them. > > > > > > John > > > 1983 300TDt 385k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) > > > 1990's 300TDt 202k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) > > > 1993 500SEL 194k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > ___ > > http:/
[MBZ] Ph.D.'s
> > That all depends if you are doing your doctorate in something you really > love and there is a need for. It's a big mountain to climb and unless > you really love doing IT stuff, you may not make it. > My Uncle did a PhD in toxicology with emphasis on the blue ring octopus. > >From memory he was in his fifties (I think he started it in his > thirties) when he finally presented his paper, however he did it before > they started changing the Unis to make them more profit orientated. One of the factors that drove me to stop at a masters was a comment by a wise department head I was talking to. He said that he regrets the shift in academic research (at least in engineering) to grant driven projects; said that once upon a time a PhD was about a building a strong mind, whereas now it was simply a matter of having a strong back. That said, at the conclusion of my masters defense this May one of my committee members asked me (and my advisor) why the work I presented wasn't a for a Ph.D.! I have no regrets, though. Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] thoughts on diesel clatter
Will it be black smoke? I have never had an EGR problem before. Peter Frederick wrote: > Stuck EGR will produce copious smoke, funky clatter (not like injector > knock, softer) and lousy performance. Test by unplugging the vac line > to the EGR. Usually idles OK, but falls down flat on application of > pedal, goes away at speed. > > Peter > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] thoughts on diesel clatter
I thought those were usually set on the lean side from the factory? Mine has not been adjusted before. Marshall Booth wrote: > Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: >> speaking of clatter etc. Some may remember I posted a while back I have >> a SDL that clatters louder than a 617 and has alot of black smoke. I >> figured it was injectors and so did others. Ordered new injectors from >> Rusty and installed them. Clatter seems to be down, smoke for the most >> part seems to be down but it still has black smoke more than I would >> like at times. Did/does this when under mild/heavy throttle. Now it >> doesnt seem to do it all the time but some times/alot of the time. What >> else could cause black smoke like this? Air filter is new. Timing? EGR? >> > > Adjust the ALDA clockwise until the smoke is barely visible at 4000+ rpm > at full load, full pedal. Then measure 0-62 mph acceleration! > > Marshall -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] thoughts on diesel clatter
All the flow through the return line is the result of pressure drop AFTER the injector fires, right? My direct observation has been that the same injectors set to different release pressures affect the amount of clatter. I have been assuming that is due to the timing difference. Am I wrong? -Dave Walton On 8/12/07, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You have forgotten some important points. > > I don't know how fast your arm is but the down stroke on my pressure tester > is probably 100 times slower than the delivery stroke on at diesel IP at > idle & the delivery stroke speed only gets faster as the engine RPMs > increase. Plus on a tight system, the injector line is already at the > pop-off pressure from the last cycle. This means that delivery starts the > moment the IP piston port closes regardless of spring tension. You have to > re-build pressure with every stroke of your tester. > > Thanks, > Tom Hargrave > www.kegkits.com > 256-656-1924 > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of dave walton > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 10:32 AM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] thoughts on diesel clatter > > The more pressure exerted by the spring in the injector, the more fuel > pressure it takes for the injector to fire. It takes more Time to > develop higher pressure. Time = Timing. > > Hook an injector up to a pressure tester, change the shims and see for > yourself. > Am I missing something? > > -Dave Walton > > On 8/12/07, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Timing is 100% controlled by the IP & the injector is just a poppet valve. > > > > Weak spring pressure affects the spray pattern, not the injection timing & > > this causes the clatter. > > > > Another failure is a leaking injector which can leak fuel into the > > pre-chamber during the intake stroke & cause nailing. > > > > Thanks, > > Tom Hargrave > > www.kegkits.com > > 256-656-1924 > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On Behalf Of dave walton > > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 4:27 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] thoughts on diesel clatter > > > > My experience has been that diesel clatter is caused by weakening of > > the spring in the injector. That causes it to fire at a lower > > pressure. Eventually it injects the fuel so prematurely that it > > ignites while the piston is still on the upstroke. > > > > -Dave Walton > > > > On 8/11/07, John M McIntosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Well since my 500SEL is busy having a rebuilt transmission installed > > > I was forced to cart four people across the rockies up the Coquihalla > > > Highway 5 to 8% grade for nearly 3000 feet of altitude in the 92 > > > wagon. For reference the OM603 will only do 75 mph flat out up the > > > 8% grade, water temp rose from 85C to 100C. That and another 500 > > > miles of mountain driving and 250 miles of flat land. > > > > > > After all this my wife noticed the clatter is *much* louder at idle, > > > much more clatter/bearings bouncing/burbling kinda noise. > > > > > > I wondering if I knocked loose lots of carbon (mind our normal > > > driving over the last 40K miles has been highway), and it's causing all > > > this racket? Well that or blew a exhaust gasket (don't think so) or > > > muffler joint. > > > > > > PS Saturday night in a unnamed rednecked city, never seen so many > > > chipped dodge ram 3500s. When they stomp the throttle at the > > > intersections, billowing clouds of black diesel smoke, same on the > > > highway, mind at 80 mph it's lots of roar and smoke, not much > > > acceleration, no need to check blind spots you sure can hear them. > > > > > > John > > > 1983 300TDt 385k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) > > > 1990's 300TDt 202k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) > > > 1993 500SEL 194k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see
Re: [MBZ] thoughts on diesel clatter
Opening pressure does have an effect on timing, as it takes a finite amount of travel to open the nozzle and there is some compression effect (although minor). That's why you should set all the nozzles close to the same pressure, whatever it is, when rebuilding, else you may get a rumbling engine at idle due to different opening times. Some engines show this much more than others. Leaking injectors cause much more timing divergence, obviously, so do leaking delivery valves or seals. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mann Oil Filters Coming Apart
I suspect that you are using the wrong filter & the element is being crushed when you tighten down the lid. There are 2 filters used on later (1977 & on) Mercedes diesels & they look identical until you place them side by side. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Rentfro Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 10:33 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Mann Oil Filters Coming Apart During yesterday's oil change, I had the third consecutive Mann oil filter come out in two pieces; the paper section became separate from the metal section. What's the deal on that? Anyone else experience this? Does that failure allow a path for oil to flow where it's not filtered? I put a Hengst in this time to see what happens. Bob Rentfro '77 300D 178K Goodyear, AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] $8500 POS
I'd say the "decimal two places to the left " estimate is probably accurate. There may be that much in metal, but in a recent conversation with a boneyard owner, it was costing him a combined $20 an hour in labour to tear the things apart , so if your time is worth anything and it would take a single person a lot longer than the 3 guys eviscerating one at the boneyard with all of their available implements of destruction.. --Robert Mitch Haley wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >> Holy cats. A 140, 200K miles AND it's been wet. Move the decimal point two >> places left. >> > > Not quite that far. A 140 is HEAVY. Gotta be at least $300 for scrap metal. > If you can sell the doors, trunk lid, fenders and hood for $100 each, and if > the seats are nice enough to sell for $250, the car's easily worth $850. > Engine and tranny might even be worth something IF the fluids were changed > before it was started. > Mitch. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] thoughts on diesel clatter
You have forgotten some important points. I don't know how fast your arm is but the down stroke on my pressure tester is probably 100 times slower than the delivery stroke on at diesel IP at idle & the delivery stroke speed only gets faster as the engine RPMs increase. Plus on a tight system, the injector line is already at the pop-off pressure from the last cycle. This means that delivery starts the moment the IP piston port closes regardless of spring tension. You have to re-build pressure with every stroke of your tester. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dave walton Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 10:32 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] thoughts on diesel clatter The more pressure exerted by the spring in the injector, the more fuel pressure it takes for the injector to fire. It takes more Time to develop higher pressure. Time = Timing. Hook an injector up to a pressure tester, change the shims and see for yourself. Am I missing something? -Dave Walton On 8/12/07, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Timing is 100% controlled by the IP & the injector is just a poppet valve. > > Weak spring pressure affects the spray pattern, not the injection timing & > this causes the clatter. > > Another failure is a leaking injector which can leak fuel into the > pre-chamber during the intake stroke & cause nailing. > > Thanks, > Tom Hargrave > www.kegkits.com > 256-656-1924 > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of dave walton > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 4:27 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] thoughts on diesel clatter > > My experience has been that diesel clatter is caused by weakening of > the spring in the injector. That causes it to fire at a lower > pressure. Eventually it injects the fuel so prematurely that it > ignites while the piston is still on the upstroke. > > -Dave Walton > > On 8/11/07, John M McIntosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well since my 500SEL is busy having a rebuilt transmission installed > > I was forced to cart four people across the rockies up the Coquihalla > > Highway 5 to 8% grade for nearly 3000 feet of altitude in the 92 > > wagon. For reference the OM603 will only do 75 mph flat out up the > > 8% grade, water temp rose from 85C to 100C. That and another 500 > > miles of mountain driving and 250 miles of flat land. > > > > After all this my wife noticed the clatter is *much* louder at idle, > > much more clatter/bearings bouncing/burbling kinda noise. > > > > I wondering if I knocked loose lots of carbon (mind our normal > > driving over the last 40K miles has been highway), and it's causing all > > this racket? Well that or blew a exhaust gasket (don't think so) or > > muffler joint. > > > > PS Saturday night in a unnamed rednecked city, never seen so many > > chipped dodge ram 3500s. When they stomp the throttle at the > > intersections, billowing clouds of black diesel smoke, same on the > > highway, mind at 80 mph it's lots of roar and smoke, not much > > acceleration, no need to check blind spots you sure can hear them. > > > > John > > 1983 300TDt 385k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) > > 1990's 300TDt 202k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) > > 1993 500SEL 194k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Talking about Diesel clatter
about 2.4 hp/cubic inch of displacement, possible but high output rpm range will be rather restricted. An M116 with D-jet (3.5L) produced 232 hp and 230 ft/lbs torque with nothing particularly fancy about it. Peter On Aug 12, 2007, at 10:11 AM, Hendrik wrote: > http://www.topgear.com/content/news/stories/2122/ > Sounds like more internet BS to me, 238hp and 295hp(?) of torque out of > a 1.8liter motor? > Well, I'll wait till I see it. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Mann Oil Filters Coming Apart
During yesterday's oil change, I had the third consecutive Mann oil filter come out in two pieces; the paper section became separate from the metal section. What's the deal on that? Anyone else experience this? Does that failure allow a path for oil to flow where it's not filtered? I put a Hengst in this time to see what happens. Bob Rentfro '77 300D 178K Goodyear, AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] thoughts on diesel clatter
The more pressure exerted by the spring in the injector, the more fuel pressure it takes for the injector to fire. It takes more Time to develop higher pressure. Time = Timing. Hook an injector up to a pressure tester, change the shims and see for yourself. Am I missing something? -Dave Walton On 8/12/07, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Timing is 100% controlled by the IP & the injector is just a poppet valve. > > Weak spring pressure affects the spray pattern, not the injection timing & > this causes the clatter. > > Another failure is a leaking injector which can leak fuel into the > pre-chamber during the intake stroke & cause nailing. > > Thanks, > Tom Hargrave > www.kegkits.com > 256-656-1924 > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of dave walton > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 4:27 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] thoughts on diesel clatter > > My experience has been that diesel clatter is caused by weakening of > the spring in the injector. That causes it to fire at a lower > pressure. Eventually it injects the fuel so prematurely that it > ignites while the piston is still on the upstroke. > > -Dave Walton > > On 8/11/07, John M McIntosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well since my 500SEL is busy having a rebuilt transmission installed > > I was forced to cart four people across the rockies up the Coquihalla > > Highway 5 to 8% grade for nearly 3000 feet of altitude in the 92 > > wagon. For reference the OM603 will only do 75 mph flat out up the > > 8% grade, water temp rose from 85C to 100C. That and another 500 > > miles of mountain driving and 250 miles of flat land. > > > > After all this my wife noticed the clatter is *much* louder at idle, > > much more clatter/bearings bouncing/burbling kinda noise. > > > > I wondering if I knocked loose lots of carbon (mind our normal > > driving over the last 40K miles has been highway), and it's causing all > > this racket? Well that or blew a exhaust gasket (don't think so) or > > muffler joint. > > > > PS Saturday night in a unnamed rednecked city, never seen so many > > chipped dodge ram 3500s. When they stomp the throttle at the > > intersections, billowing clouds of black diesel smoke, same on the > > highway, mind at 80 mph it's lots of roar and smoke, not much > > acceleration, no need to check blind spots you sure can hear them. > > > > John > > 1983 300TDt 385k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) > > 1990's 300TDt 202k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) > > 1993 500SEL 194k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] thoughts on diesel clatter
Stuck EGR will produce copious smoke, funky clatter (not like injector knock, softer) and lousy performance. Test by unplugging the vac line to the EGR. Usually idles OK, but falls down flat on application of pedal, goes away at speed. Peter On Aug 12, 2007, at 9:33 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > speaking of clatter etc. Some may remember I posted a while back I > have > a SDL that clatters louder than a 617 and has alot of black smoke. I > figured it was injectors and so did others. Ordered new injectors from > Rusty and installed them. Clatter seems to be down, smoke for the most > part seems to be down but it still has black smoke more than I would > like at times. Did/does this when under mild/heavy throttle. Now it > doesnt seem to do it all the time but some times/alot of the time. > What > else could cause black smoke like this? Air filter is new. Timing? > EGR? > > dave walton wrote: >> My experience has been that diesel clatter is caused by weakening of >> the spring in the injector. That causes it to fire at a lower >> pressure. Eventually it injects the fuel so prematurely that it >> ignites while the piston is still on the upstroke. >> >> -Dave Walton >> >> On 8/11/07, John M McIntosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Well since my 500SEL is busy having a rebuilt transmission installed >>> I was forced to cart four people across the rockies up the Coquihalla >>> Highway 5 to 8% grade for nearly 3000 feet of altitude in the 92 >>> wagon. For reference the OM603 will only do 75 mph flat out up the >>> 8% grade, water temp rose from 85C to 100C. That and another 500 >>> miles of mountain driving and 250 miles of flat land. >>> >>> After all this my wife noticed the clatter is *much* louder at idle, >>> much more clatter/bearings bouncing/burbling kinda noise. >>> >>> I wondering if I knocked loose lots of carbon (mind our normal >>> driving over the last 40K miles has been highway), and it's causing >>> all >>> this racket? Well that or blew a exhaust gasket (don't think so) or >>> muffler joint. >>> >>> PS Saturday night in a unnamed rednecked city, never seen so many >>> chipped dodge ram 3500s. When they stomp the throttle at the >>> intersections, billowing clouds of black diesel smoke, same on the >>> highway, mind at 80 mph it's lots of roar and smoke, not much >>> acceleration, no need to check blind spots you sure can hear them. >>> >>> John >>> 1983 300TDt 385k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) >>> 1990's 300TDt 202k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) >>> 1993 500SEL 194k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >>> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > -- > Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK > 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D, > 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 > Euro, > 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 > http://www.okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Talking about Diesel clatter
http://www.topgear.com/content/news/stories/2122/ Sounds like more internet BS to me, 238hp and 295hp(?) of torque out of a 1.8liter motor? Well, I'll wait till I see it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Linux distribution and winmodems [was Re: Classic car]]
That all depends if you are doing your doctorate in something you really love and there is a need for. It's a big mountain to climb and unless you really love doing IT stuff, you may not make it. My Uncle did a PhD in toxicology with emphasis on the blue ring octopus. >From memory he was in his fifties (I think he started it in his thirties) when he finally presented his paper, however he did it before they started changing the Unis to make them more profit orientated. LWB250 wrote: > Most major universities that have IT programs > generally do offer Ph.D.s. Mine does, and for that > matter, would probably offer you a Ph.D. in just about > any program they run if you were willing to pay for > it. > > I serious considered getting my Ph.D. until I realized > that I would be paying back student loans well into my > retirement, and would never offset the costs in salary > in the few years I have left before I retire. > > Funny story: My youngest son, who was about 13 at the > time I was giving this serious consideration, said, > "If you get your Ph.D., will we have to call you > Doctor?" > > "You're damned right you will! After I invest that > kind of time and effort into something I'll insist on > it!" > > Heh. > > Dan (not a doctor and probably never will be) > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] thoughts on diesel clatter
Timing is 100% controlled by the IP & the injector is just a poppet valve. Weak spring pressure affects the spray pattern, not the injection timing & this causes the clatter. Another failure is a leaking injector which can leak fuel into the pre-chamber during the intake stroke & cause nailing. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dave walton Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 4:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] thoughts on diesel clatter My experience has been that diesel clatter is caused by weakening of the spring in the injector. That causes it to fire at a lower pressure. Eventually it injects the fuel so prematurely that it ignites while the piston is still on the upstroke. -Dave Walton On 8/11/07, John M McIntosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well since my 500SEL is busy having a rebuilt transmission installed > I was forced to cart four people across the rockies up the Coquihalla > Highway 5 to 8% grade for nearly 3000 feet of altitude in the 92 > wagon. For reference the OM603 will only do 75 mph flat out up the > 8% grade, water temp rose from 85C to 100C. That and another 500 > miles of mountain driving and 250 miles of flat land. > > After all this my wife noticed the clatter is *much* louder at idle, > much more clatter/bearings bouncing/burbling kinda noise. > > I wondering if I knocked loose lots of carbon (mind our normal > driving over the last 40K miles has been highway), and it's causing all > this racket? Well that or blew a exhaust gasket (don't think so) or > muffler joint. > > PS Saturday night in a unnamed rednecked city, never seen so many > chipped dodge ram 3500s. When they stomp the throttle at the > intersections, billowing clouds of black diesel smoke, same on the > highway, mind at 80 mph it's lots of roar and smoke, not much > acceleration, no need to check blind spots you sure can hear them. > > John > 1983 300TDt 385k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) > 1990's 300TDt 202k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) > 1993 500SEL 194k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 camshaft installation
and if you don't do it this way, you risk breaking the cam. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dave walton Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 6:51 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM603 camshaft installation Both the removal and tightening sequence of a camshaft on a 603 is determined by the lobes that have pressure on them at TDC - i.e. open valves. The crankshaft and camshaft markings must both be at TDC. When I say sequence, I mean the order in which you start tightening (or removing) the bolts as pressure is applied to the camshaft from the valve springs, not just the order in which you torque them down after they are snug. -Dave Walton On 8/12/07, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Luther, > One thing about the torque sequence - typically, it's best to start in the > middle and work towards the outside.. Hmmm... I'm havng trouble finding a > way to dcscribe it... > > if the cam cover looks like this - with the #s being bolts -- > 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 > 7 - 8 - 9 - 10-11-12 > > 1st, snug one of the middles - 3,4,9 or 10. then the one opposite/other > side - say you did 3, the next would be 10, then 9, then 4, then > 8,5,2,11,1,12,7 & 6. > > That way, the surface will be kept smooth as any imperfections will be > pushed to the outer edges with the tightening of each fastener, > > It's probably too late for you, but it should be disassembled in a similar > sequence. > > Good luck - > > Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) > www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts > Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil > PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net > Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs > . > > - Original Message - > From: "Luther" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 1:35 PM > Subject: [MBZ] OM603 camshaft installation > > > > Anyone have experience installing camshafts? I can't keep mine at TDC > > when I'm tightening it. I've tried tightening in these orders. 7,4,3,2; > > 2,3,4,7; 7,2,4,3; and 2,3,4,7,7,4,3,2 etc. I've tried all those patterns > > twice; the first time tightening the right bolt first, then the left, and > > second time tightening the left bolt, then the right. Yes, I am > > tightening all 8 bolts 1 turn before going through the sequence again. > > I've been working on it nearly 2 hours this morning and cannot get it to > > hold TDC. Advice? TIA all. > > > > -- > > Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark > > '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case > > '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) > > '82 300CD (166 kmi) > > '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold > > '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.10/943 - Release Date: 8/8/2007 > > 5:38 PM > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] thoughts on diesel clatter
IP or pre-chamber ball pin, especially if you can narrow it down to one cylinder. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 9:34 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] thoughts on diesel clatter speaking of clatter etc. Some may remember I posted a while back I have a SDL that clatters louder than a 617 and has alot of black smoke. I figured it was injectors and so did others. Ordered new injectors from Rusty and installed them. Clatter seems to be down, smoke for the most part seems to be down but it still has black smoke more than I would like at times. Did/does this when under mild/heavy throttle. Now it doesnt seem to do it all the time but some times/alot of the time. What else could cause black smoke like this? Air filter is new. Timing? EGR? dave walton wrote: > My experience has been that diesel clatter is caused by weakening of > the spring in the injector. That causes it to fire at a lower > pressure. Eventually it injects the fuel so prematurely that it > ignites while the piston is still on the upstroke. > > -Dave Walton > > On 8/11/07, John M McIntosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Well since my 500SEL is busy having a rebuilt transmission installed >> I was forced to cart four people across the rockies up the Coquihalla >> Highway 5 to 8% grade for nearly 3000 feet of altitude in the 92 >> wagon. For reference the OM603 will only do 75 mph flat out up the >> 8% grade, water temp rose from 85C to 100C. That and another 500 >> miles of mountain driving and 250 miles of flat land. >> >> After all this my wife noticed the clatter is *much* louder at idle, >> much more clatter/bearings bouncing/burbling kinda noise. >> >> I wondering if I knocked loose lots of carbon (mind our normal >> driving over the last 40K miles has been highway), and it's causing all >> this racket? Well that or blew a exhaust gasket (don't think so) or >> muffler joint. >> >> PS Saturday night in a unnamed rednecked city, never seen so many >> chipped dodge ram 3500s. When they stomp the throttle at the >> intersections, billowing clouds of black diesel smoke, same on the >> highway, mind at 80 mph it's lots of roar and smoke, not much >> acceleration, no need to check blind spots you sure can hear them. >> >> John >> 1983 300TDt 385k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) >> 1990's 300TDt 202k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) >> 1993 500SEL 194k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) >> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] thoughts on diesel clatter
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > speaking of clatter etc. Some may remember I posted a while back I have > a SDL that clatters louder than a 617 and has alot of black smoke. I > figured it was injectors and so did others. Ordered new injectors from > Rusty and installed them. Clatter seems to be down, smoke for the most > part seems to be down but it still has black smoke more than I would > like at times. Did/does this when under mild/heavy throttle. Now it > doesnt seem to do it all the time but some times/alot of the time. What > else could cause black smoke like this? Air filter is new. Timing? EGR? > Adjust the ALDA clockwise until the smoke is barely visible at 4000+ rpm at full load, full pedal. Then measure 0-62 mph acceleration! Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] thoughts on diesel clatter
speaking of clatter etc. Some may remember I posted a while back I have a SDL that clatters louder than a 617 and has alot of black smoke. I figured it was injectors and so did others. Ordered new injectors from Rusty and installed them. Clatter seems to be down, smoke for the most part seems to be down but it still has black smoke more than I would like at times. Did/does this when under mild/heavy throttle. Now it doesnt seem to do it all the time but some times/alot of the time. What else could cause black smoke like this? Air filter is new. Timing? EGR? dave walton wrote: > My experience has been that diesel clatter is caused by weakening of > the spring in the injector. That causes it to fire at a lower > pressure. Eventually it injects the fuel so prematurely that it > ignites while the piston is still on the upstroke. > > -Dave Walton > > On 8/11/07, John M McIntosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Well since my 500SEL is busy having a rebuilt transmission installed >> I was forced to cart four people across the rockies up the Coquihalla >> Highway 5 to 8% grade for nearly 3000 feet of altitude in the 92 >> wagon. For reference the OM603 will only do 75 mph flat out up the >> 8% grade, water temp rose from 85C to 100C. That and another 500 >> miles of mountain driving and 250 miles of flat land. >> >> After all this my wife noticed the clatter is *much* louder at idle, >> much more clatter/bearings bouncing/burbling kinda noise. >> >> I wondering if I knocked loose lots of carbon (mind our normal >> driving over the last 40K miles has been highway), and it's causing all >> this racket? Well that or blew a exhaust gasket (don't think so) or >> muffler joint. >> >> PS Saturday night in a unnamed rednecked city, never seen so many >> chipped dodge ram 3500s. When they stomp the throttle at the >> intersections, billowing clouds of black diesel smoke, same on the >> highway, mind at 80 mph it's lots of roar and smoke, not much >> acceleration, no need to check blind spots you sure can hear them. >> >> John >> 1983 300TDt 385k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) >> 1990's 300TDt 202k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) >> 1993 500SEL 194k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) >> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] thoughts on diesel clatter
On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 23:56:16 -0400 Bill Gallagher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sounds like the high altitude, grade percent, and load weight produced a > lot of carbon build up ..drive it hard The conditions he described are what's called for in an "Italian tuneup." He was driving it hard. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] thoughts on diesel clatter
John M McIntosh wrote: > Well since my 500SEL is busy having a rebuilt transmission installed > I was forced to cart four people across the rockies up the Coquihalla > Highway 5 to 8% grade for nearly 3000 feet of altitude in the 92 > wagon. For reference the OM603 will only do 75 mph flat out up the > 8% grade, water temp rose from 85C to 100C. That and another 500 > miles of mountain driving and 250 miles of flat land. > > After all this my wife noticed the clatter is *much* louder at idle, > much more clatter/bearings bouncing/burbling kinda noise. > > I wondering if I knocked loose lots of carbon (mind our normal > driving over the last 40K miles has been highway), and it's causing all > this racket? Well that or blew a exhaust gasket (don't think so) or > muffler joint. On the clatter, check the serpentine belt tensioner shock absorber. It can make a racket not unlike valve clatter when it fails. Push on the shock upper and lower bushing with the engine running and if the clatter is altered or subsides, you've found the problem. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Linux distribution and winmodems [was Re: Classic car]]
I graduated in 1997 with BS in electrical engineering and a second BS in computer engineering, of course this was after dropping out for several years to be an auto mechanic. A couple of years ago I was so bored at work I started back to school part time and got my employer to pay for it. This December I will have my masters in EE and then will be continuing for my PhD, well as long as wife approves. Of course with all that education it is still a huge learning curve to use Linux. It is not that it is complicated it is rather that Linux has lots of capabilities. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LWB250 Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 8:01 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Linux distribution and winmodems [was Re: Classic car]] Most major universities that have IT programs generally do offer Ph.D.s. Mine does, and for that matter, would probably offer you a Ph.D. in just about any program they run if you were willing to pay for it. I serious considered getting my Ph.D. until I realized that I would be paying back student loans well into my retirement, and would never offset the costs in salary in the few years I have left before I retire. Funny story: My youngest son, who was about 13 at the time I was giving this serious consideration, said, "If you get your Ph.D., will we have to call you Doctor?" "You're damned right you will! After I invest that kind of time and effort into something I'll insist on it!" Heh. Dan (not a doctor and probably never will be) --- Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 22:09:03 -0500 "Wonko the Sane" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Being a physicist is a definite advantage on > payday. > > > > Don > > former IT guy > > I won't argue there. Do they offer a Ph.D. in IT > kind of stuff? > > > Craig Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot!
- Original Message - From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> i had a really sweet buick le sabre coupe. i had a really good ASE superstar mechanic who could keep a really sweet buick coupe running beautifully forever. only problem was that he wasn't cheap. my labor, however, was really cheap. one day, i had the sort of electrical problem that might have taken a few very expensive hour to diagnose. or i could just diagnose them with a few more of my really cheap hours. and then after several hours of my cheap labor, the car started to burn with fire. and then it was no longer sweet. --- Just finished rebuilding the heads on a '64 Beetle. While letting down the jack, picking up the tools, etc., teenage daughter and friend came out of the house and greeted me for the tenth time that Saturday. (Teenage daughters and friends have to be greeted every time they enter or exit the house or their feelings get hurt.) Cranked up the Beetle and heard this intense rattling noise. Walked around the car, listened to the engine intently, and then it dawned on me. The engine ran a good 100,000 miles after that in spite of the dumb mechanic who forgot to put oil in it. Gerry -- On 8/11/07, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Welcome to the club that most of us belong to & few care to admit to. > Tom > www.kegkits.com > > Original Message > From: Zeitgeist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: 08/11/07 01:12 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: [MBZ] Virtual Pillory: Come jeer at the idiot! > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Hi, my name is Casey, and I'm an idiot. > Here's great fun for the whole family... > So, last week I was whining about my mal-performing AC, and dumbshitedly > assumed that my compressor was failing--WRONG! Turns out that Mr Cathey > was > correct, when he pointed out that my needle valve on the high side might > be > improperly seated. I was overcharged. Once I bled off some > refrigerant, it > began working nice and peachy--cool. Then, I augmented the effect by > having > my windows professionally tinted--also cool. > Then...I launched into my pièce de résistance; I began to finally > re-install > an auxiliary fan(s), which I'd removed during the intercooler > interlude--wouldn't fit anymore. I've been without for about 2.5 > years--not > smart. But wait, it gets even not-smarter... > I ordered two little 9" SPAL units, along with various mounting options, > including little nifty stainless pins that fit between the fins and hold > the > fans (they're fairly lightweight) right tightly up against the > condenser. > They're so cute and alluring, that I couldn't resist. By now, you've > probably figured out what happened next, haven't you? Yes, that > gut-wrenching hiss and steamy cloud followed my third exploratory poke. > It's still venting as I type this... > Casey ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 camshaft installation
It certainly makes sense to me to follow the center-out tightening sequence for the final torque down. That's when they have us do for all the other tightening sequences I've run into. -Dave Walton On 8/12/07, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > of course you're right - I should ave said my method starts once the > fasteneers are down to the 1st position. > > Thanks for clarifying - > > Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) > www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts > Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil > PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net > Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs > . > > - Original Message - > From: "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 7:50 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM603 camshaft installation > > > > Both the removal and tightening sequence of a camshaft on a 603 is > > determined by the lobes that have pressure on them at TDC - i.e. open > > valves. The crankshaft and camshaft markings must both be at TDC. When > > I say sequence, I mean the order in which you start tightening (or > > removing) the bolts as pressure is applied to the camshaft from the > > valve springs, not just the order in which you torque them down after > > they are snug. > > > > -Dave Walton > > > > On 8/12/07, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Hi Luther, > >> One thing about the torque sequence - typically, it's best to start in > >> the > >> middle and work towards the outside.. Hmmm... I'm havng trouble finding > >> a > >> way to dcscribe it... > >> > >> if the cam cover looks like this - with the #s being bolts -- > >> 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 > >> 7 - 8 - 9 - 10-11-12 > >> > >> 1st, snug one of the middles - 3,4,9 or 10. then the one opposite/other > >> side - say you did 3, the next would be 10, then 9, then 4, then > >> 8,5,2,11,1,12,7 & 6. > >> > >> That way, the surface will be kept smooth as any imperfections will be > >> pushed to the outer edges with the tightening of each fastener, > >> > >> It's probably too late for you, but it should be disassembled in a > >> similar > >> sequence. > >> > >> Good luck - > >> > >> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) > >> www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts > >> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil > >> PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net > >> Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs > >> . > >> > >> - Original Message - > >> From: "Luther" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > >> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 1:35 PM > >> Subject: [MBZ] OM603 camshaft installation > >> > >> > >> > Anyone have experience installing camshafts? I can't keep mine at TDC > >> > when I'm tightening it. I've tried tightening in these orders. > >> > 7,4,3,2; > >> > 2,3,4,7; 7,2,4,3; and 2,3,4,7,7,4,3,2 etc. I've tried all those > >> > patterns > >> > twice; the first time tightening the right bolt first, then the left, > >> > and > >> > second time tightening the left bolt, then the right. Yes, I am > >> > tightening all 8 bolts 1 turn before going through the sequence again. > >> > I've been working on it nearly 2 hours this morning and cannot get it > >> > to > >> > hold TDC. Advice? TIA all. > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark > >> > '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case > >> > '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) > >> > '82 300CD (166 kmi) > >> > '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold > >> > '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine > >> > > >> > ___ > >> > http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > >> > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > No virus found in this incoming message. > >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >> > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.10/943 - Release Date: > >> > 8/8/2007 > >> > 5:38 PM > >> > > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.13/946 - Release Date: 8/10/2007 > > 3:50 PM > > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official
Re: [MBZ] OT Linux distribution and winmodems [was Re: Classic car]]
Most major universities that have IT programs generally do offer Ph.D.s. Mine does, and for that matter, would probably offer you a Ph.D. in just about any program they run if you were willing to pay for it. I serious considered getting my Ph.D. until I realized that I would be paying back student loans well into my retirement, and would never offset the costs in salary in the few years I have left before I retire. Funny story: My youngest son, who was about 13 at the time I was giving this serious consideration, said, "If you get your Ph.D., will we have to call you Doctor?" "You're damned right you will! After I invest that kind of time and effort into something I'll insist on it!" Heh. Dan (not a doctor and probably never will be) --- Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 22:09:03 -0500 "Wonko the Sane" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Being a physicist is a definite advantage on > payday. > > > > Don > > former IT guy > > I won't argue there. Do they offer a Ph.D. in IT > kind of stuff? > > > Craig Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 camshaft installation
of course you're right - I should ave said my method starts once the fasteneers are down to the 1st position. Thanks for clarifying - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 7:50 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM603 camshaft installation > Both the removal and tightening sequence of a camshaft on a 603 is > determined by the lobes that have pressure on them at TDC - i.e. open > valves. The crankshaft and camshaft markings must both be at TDC. When > I say sequence, I mean the order in which you start tightening (or > removing) the bolts as pressure is applied to the camshaft from the > valve springs, not just the order in which you torque them down after > they are snug. > > -Dave Walton > > On 8/12/07, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hi Luther, >> One thing about the torque sequence - typically, it's best to start in >> the >> middle and work towards the outside.. Hmmm... I'm havng trouble finding >> a >> way to dcscribe it... >> >> if the cam cover looks like this - with the #s being bolts -- >> 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 >> 7 - 8 - 9 - 10-11-12 >> >> 1st, snug one of the middles - 3,4,9 or 10. then the one opposite/other >> side - say you did 3, the next would be 10, then 9, then 4, then >> 8,5,2,11,1,12,7 & 6. >> >> That way, the surface will be kept smooth as any imperfections will be >> pushed to the outer edges with the tightening of each fastener, >> >> It's probably too late for you, but it should be disassembled in a >> similar >> sequence. >> >> Good luck - >> >> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) >> www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts >> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil >> PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net >> Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs >> . >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Luther" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" >> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 1:35 PM >> Subject: [MBZ] OM603 camshaft installation >> >> >> > Anyone have experience installing camshafts? I can't keep mine at TDC >> > when I'm tightening it. I've tried tightening in these orders. >> > 7,4,3,2; >> > 2,3,4,7; 7,2,4,3; and 2,3,4,7,7,4,3,2 etc. I've tried all those >> > patterns >> > twice; the first time tightening the right bolt first, then the left, >> > and >> > second time tightening the left bolt, then the right. Yes, I am >> > tightening all 8 bolts 1 turn before going through the sequence again. >> > I've been working on it nearly 2 hours this morning and cannot get it >> > to >> > hold TDC. Advice? TIA all. >> > >> > -- >> > Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark >> > '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case >> > '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) >> > '82 300CD (166 kmi) >> > '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold >> > '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine >> > >> > ___ >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > >> > >> > -- >> > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.10/943 - Release Date: >> > 8/8/2007 >> > 5:38 PM >> > >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.13/946 - Release Date: 8/10/2007 > 3:50 PM > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 camshaft installation
Both the removal and tightening sequence of a camshaft on a 603 is determined by the lobes that have pressure on them at TDC - i.e. open valves. The crankshaft and camshaft markings must both be at TDC. When I say sequence, I mean the order in which you start tightening (or removing) the bolts as pressure is applied to the camshaft from the valve springs, not just the order in which you torque them down after they are snug. -Dave Walton On 8/12/07, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Luther, > One thing about the torque sequence - typically, it's best to start in the > middle and work towards the outside.. Hmmm... I'm havng trouble finding a > way to dcscribe it... > > if the cam cover looks like this - with the #s being bolts -- > 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 > 7 - 8 - 9 - 10-11-12 > > 1st, snug one of the middles - 3,4,9 or 10. then the one opposite/other > side - say you did 3, the next would be 10, then 9, then 4, then > 8,5,2,11,1,12,7 & 6. > > That way, the surface will be kept smooth as any imperfections will be > pushed to the outer edges with the tightening of each fastener, > > It's probably too late for you, but it should be disassembled in a similar > sequence. > > Good luck - > > Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) > www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts > Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil > PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net > Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs > . > > - Original Message - > From: "Luther" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 1:35 PM > Subject: [MBZ] OM603 camshaft installation > > > > Anyone have experience installing camshafts? I can't keep mine at TDC > > when I'm tightening it. I've tried tightening in these orders. 7,4,3,2; > > 2,3,4,7; 7,2,4,3; and 2,3,4,7,7,4,3,2 etc. I've tried all those patterns > > twice; the first time tightening the right bolt first, then the left, and > > second time tightening the left bolt, then the right. Yes, I am > > tightening all 8 bolts 1 turn before going through the sequence again. > > I've been working on it nearly 2 hours this morning and cannot get it to > > hold TDC. Advice? TIA all. > > > > -- > > Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark > > '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case > > '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) > > '82 300CD (166 kmi) > > '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold > > '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.10/943 - Release Date: 8/8/2007 > > 5:38 PM > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 camshaft installation
Hi Luther, One thing about the torque sequence - typically, it's best to start in the middle and work towards the outside.. Hmmm... I'm havng trouble finding a way to dcscribe it... if the cam cover looks like this - with the #s being bolts -- 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 7 - 8 - 9 - 10-11-12 1st, snug one of the middles - 3,4,9 or 10. then the one opposite/other side - say you did 3, the next would be 10, then 9, then 4, then 8,5,2,11,1,12,7 & 6. That way, the surface will be kept smooth as any imperfections will be pushed to the outer edges with the tightening of each fastener, It's probably too late for you, but it should be disassembled in a similar sequence. Good luck - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "Luther" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 1:35 PM Subject: [MBZ] OM603 camshaft installation > Anyone have experience installing camshafts? I can't keep mine at TDC > when I'm tightening it. I've tried tightening in these orders. 7,4,3,2; > 2,3,4,7; 7,2,4,3; and 2,3,4,7,7,4,3,2 etc. I've tried all those patterns > twice; the first time tightening the right bolt first, then the left, and > second time tightening the left bolt, then the right. Yes, I am > tightening all 8 bolts 1 turn before going through the sequence again. > I've been working on it nearly 2 hours this morning and cannot get it to > hold TDC. Advice? TIA all. > > -- > Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark > '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case > '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) > '82 300CD (166 kmi) > '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold > '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.10/943 - Release Date: 8/8/2007 > 5:38 PM > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Another 240D front end noise post
Dwight hope all is well in the ocean state. 1979 240 D is my daily driver. doing 35 to 45 K a year in her. Tom - Original Message - From: "Dwight E. Giles, Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another 240D front end noise post > Thanks Tom, > Yes, a ball joint would be my guess. How is your 40D doing? Are you still > driving it on long trips every week? > Dwight > > Dwight E. Giles, Jr. > 1979 240D-250K + miles > 1990 300D 2.5t 135K miles > Wickford, RI--- > > --Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 8:04 AM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another 240D front end noise post > > Dwight have a good front end guy check ball joints/Tom > - Original Message - > From: "Dwight E. Giles, Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 4:56 PM > Subject: [MBZ] Another 240D front end noise post > > >> My 79 240D has a grating/ light scraping sound at low speed. At first I >> thought it was up and down noise like a shock-but I can produce the noise >> while sitting still and turning wheel to the right. >> >> What do I look for or do to diagnose? >> >> TIA. >> >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1979 240D Starter Replacement
Thanks Dwight. Did it yesterday, removed file tube support bolt and and to losen bango below on tranny file tube to. Lost about a qurt of ATF in the process. Hard job but got er done. Am I getting too old for this? thanks Tom Scordato - Original Message - From: "Dwight E. Giles, Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1979 240D Starter Replacement > Tom, > Yes, Haynes says to remove the steering track bolt and the fill tube bolt > and have an assistant push the tube rearward to allow clearance for > starter > to be pulled out. Not much clearance. . I watched my indie do mine and he > did a lot of the bolt work from the top, but got under it and dropped it. > I > didn't see him move the dipstick tube, so might get by without doing that. > . > Dwight > Dwight E. Giles, Jr. > 1979 240D-250K + miles > 1990 300D 2.5t 135K miles > Wickford, RI > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 8:22 AM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: [MBZ] 1979 240D Starter Replacement > > Car is a automatic. Going to attempt to change starter. Did it on my > 1977 > 300D 5 years ago. Questions > Looks like I do not have to remove the tranny fill dip stick tube? > Can I do the job from pull up ramps? > Any help would appreciate it. > > Regards Tom Scordato, Bellefonte PA > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] $8500 POS
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Holy cats. A 140, 200K miles AND it's been wet. Move the decimal point two > places left. Not quite that far. A 140 is HEAVY. Gotta be at least $300 for scrap metal. If you can sell the doors, trunk lid, fenders and hood for $100 each, and if the seats are nice enough to sell for $250, the car's easily worth $850. Engine and tranny might even be worth something IF the fluids were changed before it was started. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] thoughts on diesel clatter
My experience has been that diesel clatter is caused by weakening of the spring in the injector. That causes it to fire at a lower pressure. Eventually it injects the fuel so prematurely that it ignites while the piston is still on the upstroke. -Dave Walton On 8/11/07, John M McIntosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well since my 500SEL is busy having a rebuilt transmission installed > I was forced to cart four people across the rockies up the Coquihalla > Highway 5 to 8% grade for nearly 3000 feet of altitude in the 92 > wagon. For reference the OM603 will only do 75 mph flat out up the > 8% grade, water temp rose from 85C to 100C. That and another 500 > miles of mountain driving and 250 miles of flat land. > > After all this my wife noticed the clatter is *much* louder at idle, > much more clatter/bearings bouncing/burbling kinda noise. > > I wondering if I knocked loose lots of carbon (mind our normal > driving over the last 40K miles has been highway), and it's causing all > this racket? Well that or blew a exhaust gasket (don't think so) or > muffler joint. > > PS Saturday night in a unnamed rednecked city, never seen so many > chipped dodge ram 3500s. When they stomp the throttle at the > intersections, billowing clouds of black diesel smoke, same on the > highway, mind at 80 mph it's lots of roar and smoke, not much > acceleration, no need to check blind spots you sure can hear them. > > John > 1983 300TDt 385k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) > 1990's 300TDt 202k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) > 1993 500SEL 194k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Linux distro downloads
If you're nice, one of us with DSL (Don, myself, etc) will download your distro's of choice and mail them to you. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine Quoting archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > (I'll have to order a 7.04 disc. This dialup connect is too slow to > download.) > --- > G: It's only 50MB! I can download that. Maybe I'll order a Ubuntu 7.04 CD > and a current version of Knoppix too. The one I have is version > 3.(illegible). Between them maybe I can get a Linux OS up and running. > Don't like the idea of spending money for Windows Vista when MS quits > supporting WinXP. > --- > --- > ThanksGerry > = ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Linux distribution and winmodems [was Re: Classic car]]
- Original Message - From: "Wonko the Sane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Which version of Ubuntu? G: Version 6.06 The newest one (7.04) seems to do an even better > job of hardware detection than Ubuntu 6.0 did. For instance, 7.04 detected > and set up my sound driver chip where 6.0 did not. (I'll have to order a 7.04 disc. This dialup connect is too slow to download.) > If you don't know the modem specs, download/run Damn Small Linux. It has > EXCELLENT hardware detection. Or, download the distro upon which DSL is > based, Knoppix. --- G: It's only 50MB! I can download that. Maybe I'll order a Ubuntu 7.04 CD and a current version of Knoppix too. The one I have is version 3.(illegible). Between them maybe I can get a Linux OS up and running. Don't like the idea of spending money for Windows Vista when MS quits supporting WinXP. --- > Run either live CD, write down what it detects for hardware (modem), and > you > can take that info as Gospel. > D. --- ThanksGerry = I had been playing with Fedora for about a year, but then I messed up gnome in 6.0 and tried a fresh install of Fedora 7.0. After several days of trying to get wireless and other stuff working I installed Ubuntu and doubt that I will ever go back to Fedora. I only have two problems with Ubuntu that I have not fixed. One is about 1 out of 10 times I suspend I can not connect to wireless when I come out of suspend. Second problem is about 1 out 20 or 30 suspends will not resume. I normally suspend my laptop 2-3 times a day, thus once a week I just reboot. Trampas == > On 8/11/07, archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> I wonder why this URL wanted to change my registry? >> >> >> Gerry Archer >> >> --- >> >> > Good question. On Linux I don't even have a registry. >> >> > Craig >> >> --- >> >> Which distribution are you running? I've played with Ubuntu, Knoppix, >> >> and Red Hat at different times but keep getting hung up at various >> >> points. Ubuntu seemed to be more user friendly but I couldn't get it >> >> set up with the winmodem to access the internet last time. >> --- >> > I've been running Fedora Core 4 and am about to go to Fedora Core 7. >> > What kind of winmodem do you have? I presume your only access is >> > dialup. >> > Craig >> --- >> I have several brands of Winmodem and I'm not sure which brand is in the >> computer I'm trying Ubuntu in. All are 56K dialup accessing an ISP. >> When >> I >> tried to set up Red Hat a few years ago, it wouldn't recognize my >> Winmodem; >> it said I needed a standard modem which cost about $80 back then. Since >> then I've heard that quite a few distributions do recognize Windmodems. >> >> Since you are a physicist I'm guessing that Fedora might be a >> distribution >> that requires more computer savvy than I have. (grin) >> Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
