[MBZ] electronically controlled diesels? gotta love 'em!
...NOT! The '07 Dodge Cummins pickup has racked up 1500 miles, and with a ding, the check engine light just came on tonight. A couple days ago, a recall notice came in the mail, something about a new and improved O2 sensor and an ECM reprogram. Something happens where the bad O2 sensor doesn't trigger the check engine light. It's been rattling more than usual and not running as quietly as it did at first. I sure do like the 617.951 in the 300SD! Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 266Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] gee, wonder why the tabs are broken?
Friend of mine with a pristine 1989 560 SE C has the same issue. The sliding louvers are poorly constructed and a total PIA to repair. On Dec 31, 2007 5:15 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MERCEDES-W124-GLOVE-BOX-WOOD-SHUTTER-300CE-300CAB_W0QQitemZ330200846341QQihZ014QQcategoryZ33695QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Today's List
The mullet-crewcut combo takes the cake. On Dec 31, 2007 11:07 PM, LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is pretty funny: http://listoftheday.blogspot.com/2007/09/great-olan-mills-photos.html MacDan Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo
Hey, I grew up (well, spent my first 20 yr or so) in Ft Wayne, have not really been back in about that many years. How is the old fort? --R Peter Frederick wrote: Fairly gently, usually not over 60 on the highway to work (60 mph speed limit). Ran right at 30 mpg on my trip to Fr. Wayne, IN for Thanksgiving this year, too running 75 or so most of the way. I got 29 highway even driving hard in the old one. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] PHX Craigslist 300D w/4 spd
Not to sound elitist, but it's not even a turbo... On Dec 31, 2007 11:35 PM, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I love that he says it's not pretty, but then he was just going to run bio with it. Brian On Dec 31, 2007 3:30 PM, Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Title problems could be big on this-including unpaid taxes for several owners etc. I personally would run. BTDT Dwight Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Landenberger Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 6:20 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] PHX Craigslist 300D w/4 spd Hey guys Try this one $500. but, ya' gotta come and get it. http://phoenix.craigslist.org/car/520354875.html Usual disclaimer, no interest, etc. Chuck Phoenix AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stella Awards
Right on, BillR! My ex spouse burned herself badly after we drove away from a McDs in Rockville MD in the early 80s. I was driving when it spilled. She had first degree burns in the same area as the woman in the lawsuit, despite the fact that the coffee was several minuites old. It may be politically incorrect to support this sort of litigation but 1) it gets the attention of corporations scr*w us over, and 2) protects the rest of us who are exposed to the same perils. On Dec 31, 2007 5:10 PM, Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have always looked at the McDonald's hot coffee suit that way also, until I ran into someone who actually read the particulars of the case. The coffee, which McDonalds stated was too hot to be safe, burned through her skin and caused multiple surgeries and some permanent damage. Unsafe for anyone at that temperature, and given the environment at McDonalds I suppose we should be glad it wasn't a kid grabbing a parent's arm and losing much of the skin on their face. I am by no means up on the particulars of the case, but I am told it is not the case it is usually presented to be. At any rate, I have stopped using it as an example until I know a bit more about it. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of archer Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 11:31 AM To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Subject: [MBZ] Stella Awards It's time again for the annual Stella Awards! For those unfamiliar with these awards, they are named after 81-year-old Stella Liebeck who spilled hot coffee on herself and successfully sued the McDonald's in New Mexico where she purchased the coffee. You remember, she took the lid off the coffee and put it between her knees while she was driving. Who would ever think one could get burned doing that, right? These are awards for the most outlandish lawsuits and verdicts in the U.S. Here are the Stella's for the past year: 7TH PLACE: Kathleen Robertson of Austin , Texas was awarded $80,000 by a jury of her peers after breaking her ankle tripping over a toddler who was running inside a furniture store. The store owners were understandably surprised by the verdict, considering the running toddler was her own son. 6TH PLACE : Carl Truman, 19, of Los Angeles , California won $74,000 plus medical expenses when his neighbor ran over his hand with a Honda Accord. Truman apparently didn't notice there was someone at the wheel of the car when he was trying to steal his neighbor's hubcaps. 5TH PLACE: Terrence Dickson, of Bristol , Pennsylvania , was leaving a house he had just burglarized by way of the garage. Unfortunately for Dickson, the automatic garage door opener malfunctioned and he could not get the garage door to open. Worse, he couldn't re-enter the house because the door connecting the garage to the house locked when Dickson pulled it shut. Forced to sit for eight, count 'em, EIGHT, days on a case of Pepsi and a large bag of dry dog food, he sued the homeowner's insurance company claiming undue mental Anguish. Amazingly, the jury said the insurance company must pay Dickson $500,000 for his anguish. We should all have this kind of anguish. 4TH PLACE: Jerry Williams, of Little Rock , Arkansas , garnered 4th Place in the Stella's when he was awarded $14,500 plus medical expenses after being bitten on the butt by his next door neighbor's beagle - even though the beagle was on a chain in its owner's fenced yard. Williams did not get as much as he asked for because the jury believed the beagle might have been provoked at the time of the butt bite because Williams had climbed over the fence into the yard and repeatedly shot the dog with a pellet gun. 3RD PLACE: Third place goes to Amber Carson of Lancaster , Pennsylvania because a jury ordered a Philadelphia restaurant to pay her $113,500 after she slipped on a spilled soft drink and broke her tailbone. The reason the soft drink was on the floor: Ms. Carson had thrown it at her boyfriend 30 seconds earlier during an argument. What ever happened to people being responsible for their own actions? 2ND PLACE: Kara Walton, of Claymont , Delaware sued the owner of a night club in a nearby city because she fell from the bathroom window to the floor, knocking out her two front teeth. Even though Ms. Walton was trying to sneak through the ladies room window to avoid paying the $3.50 cover charge, the jury said the night club had to pay her $12,000oh, yeah, plus dental expenses. Go figure. 1ST PLACE: This year's runaway First Place Stella Award winner was Mrs.. Merv Grazinski, of Oklahoma City ,Oklahoma , who purchased a new 32-foot Winnebago motor home. On her first trip home from an OU football game, having driven onto the freeway, she set the cruise control at 70 mph and calmly left the driver's seat to go to the back of the Winnebago to make herself a sandwich. Not
Re: [MBZ] bcs dissatisfaction
georgia just crushed hawaii. i think they are the best team in the country. missouri really messed up arkansas. looked to me like maybe they are the best team in the country. As a long frustrated Missouri Fan, I was VERY pleased to see Missouri absolutely as*kick Arkansas. We stopped McFadden and OUR Runnning back was the stud of the day not theirs. I would have liked to have seen a Mizzou v. Georgia national championship. Georgia certainly made the case that the BCS screwed up putting Ohio State in the championship game instead of Georgia. Now that Missouri has won its game (and made everyone away how stupid the BCS was to select KU AND ILL over Mizzou for BCS games), now all I am interested in watching is Virginia Tech destroying the Kansas Jayhawks. To include some MB content: Here's hoping that KU cracks during the orange bowl the same way a 617 head cracks when overheated. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] bcs dissatisfaction
Luther wrote: Correction. Arkansas failed to show up. Missouri really didn't look that good. If Missouri would play USC, Georgia, LSU, or Ohio St., they would loose by 21 or more. Sounds like you are a bitter Arkansas fan to me. Missouri played VERY well. They stopped McFadden and Jones OVER AND OVER. Missouri was executing perfectly. Missouri was nearly perfectly balanced in terms of running and passing. I don't believe that Missouri would lose to LSU, OSU, Georgia, or USC. (But, of course we will never know) I do know the only team to beat Mizzou was Oklahoma. I also know that Mizzou beat KU and Illinois (both BCS teams). I also know that Missouri is the ONLY TEAM IN DIVISION 1 football to score more than 31 points in every single game it played this year. I also know that Mizzou beat Illinois who beat Ohio State and we beat Arkansas who beat LSU. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT Wind Power
The stereo discussion got off on windpower, here is a link to an interesting IEEE video site that has a 15min clip on wind power http://www.ieee.org/web/membership/IEEEtv/about.html?WT.mc_id=BLOG_tunein_122007 It is the last one in the vids list. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stella Awards
Yes, I am sure the discussion at McDonald's headquarters went something like this: What's the matter, Ron? Well Don, we've run flat out of ideas on how to scr*w our customers. No problem Ron, I've been working on a new idea on how we can burn them with our coffee! Wow! Sounds great, Don! On Jan 2, 2008, at 9:54 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: Right on, BillR! My ex spouse burned herself badly after we drove away from a McDs in Rockville MD in the early 80s. I was driving when it spilled. She had first degree burns in the same area as the woman in the lawsuit, despite the fact that the coffee was several minuites old. It may be politically incorrect to support this sort of litigation but 1) it gets the attention of corporations scr*w us over, and 2) protects the rest of us who are exposedto the same perils. On Dec 31, 2007 5:10 PM, Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have always looked at the McDonald's hot coffee suit that way also, until I ran into someone who actually read the particulars of the case. The coffee, which McDonalds stated was too hot to be safe, burned through her skin and caused multiple surgeries and some permanent damage. Unsafe for anyone at that temperature, and given the environment at McDonalds I suppose we should be glad it wasn't a kid grabbing a parent's arm and losing much of the skin on their face. I am by no means up on the particulars of the case, but I am told it is not the case it is usually presented to be. At any rate, I have stopped using it as an example until I know a bit more about it. BillR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Smart=stupid
Could this be a plant by someone from a competing brand? We testdrove the Smart Fourtwo and a Smart diesel cabriolet and they were both great for what we wanted them to accomplish (urban-only commuting and puttering). On Jan 1, 2008 5:12 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's an amusing post from MBCanada.com: Dec 17/07: MBTech, Insider #8 - A not so smart purchase An alarming report by one of our insiders listing 101 oddities, problems and defects on the smart car. That makes it one of the most unreliable Mercedes-Benz vehicles ever built. With the current model barely out of the gate there is already a comprehensive list of defects and problems. Even though the smart has a fanatical following, and most of the enthusiasts are in a constant state of denial, we cannot recommend a purchase of this vehicle. The car is too quirky for the average consumer and a potential owner has to be prepared for many unsolvable quirks and visits to the repair centre. Don't be taken by the name, there are many Japanese rivals, with four seats, and similar fuel economy, that are a much smarter cheaper choice (Honda Fit, Toyota Echo). Even Consumer Report agrees: MBCanada.com/link RLE ** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '65 190Dc
As usual they never say what's WRONG with the car, just what isn't. On Jan 1, 2008 5:46 PM, Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That would be a fun little car, something different. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 266Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] cruise control question
Based on my experience, it sounds like the actuator rather than the amp. This is because the actuator is what grips the throttle linkage after the speed is set by the amplifier. On Jan 1, 2008 8:45 PM, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blew the links: http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/JSLcruise.html http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/cwcruise.html see also: http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/mamerepairs.html -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] bcs dissatisfaction
Which is why OK should be no. 1. On Jan 2, 2008 10:06 AM, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Luther wrote: Correction. Arkansas failed to show up. Missouri really didn't look that good. If Missouri would play USC, Georgia, LSU, or Ohio St., they would loose by 21 or more. Sounds like you are a bitter Arkansas fan to me. Missouri played VERY well. They stopped McFadden and Jones OVER AND OVER. Missouri was executing perfectly. Missouri was nearly perfectly balanced in terms of running and passing. I don't believe that Missouri would lose to LSU, OSU, Georgia, or USC. (But, of course we will never know) I do know the only team to beat Mizzou was Oklahoma. I also know that Mizzou beat KU and Illinois (both BCS teams). I also know that Missouri is the ONLY TEAM IN DIVISION 1 football to score more than 31 points in every single game it played this year. I also know that Mizzou beat Illinois who beat Ohio State and we beat Arkansas who beat LSU. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stella Awards
Not at all what I am saying, Allan. Management knew about the problem but chose to ignore it, as fixing matters would cost a few $$ or 2) maybe they were afraid that a few customers would complain because they were used to scalding hot coffee Anyway, McD is long over this incident and more popular than ever with their shareholders and customers alike. On Jan 2, 2008 11:11 AM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I am sure the discussion at McDonald's headquarters went something like this: What's the matter, Ron? Well Don, we've run flat out of ideas on how to scr*w our customers. No problem Ron, I've been working on a new idea on how we can burn them with our coffee! Wow! Sounds great, Don! On Jan 2, 2008, at 9:54 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: Right on, BillR! My ex spouse burned herself badly after we drove away from a McDs in Rockville MD in the early 80s. I was driving when it spilled. She had first degree burns in the same area as the woman in the lawsuit, despite the fact that the coffee was several minuites old. It may be politically incorrect to support this sort of litigation but 1) it gets the attention of corporations scr*w us over, and 2) protects the rest of us who are exposedto the same perils. On Dec 31, 2007 5:10 PM, Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have always looked at the McDonald's hot coffee suit that way also, until I ran into someone who actually read the particulars of the case. The coffee, which McDonalds stated was too hot to be safe, burned through her skin and caused multiple surgeries and some permanent damage. Unsafe for anyone at that temperature, and given the environment at McDonalds I suppose we should be glad it wasn't a kid grabbing a parent's arm and losing much of the skin on their face. I am by no means up on the particulars of the case, but I am told it is not the case it is usually presented to be. At any rate, I have stopped using it as an example until I know a bit more about it. BillR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] bcs dissatisfaction
which is why i think mizzou deserves a chance at a national championship. as does oklahoma, georgia, lsu, ohio state, usc and even virginia tech. the bcs does not work On Jan 2, 2008 10:06 AM, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Luther wrote: Correction. Arkansas failed to show up. Missouri really didn't look that good. If Missouri would play USC, Georgia, LSU, or Ohio St., they would loose by 21 or more. Sounds like you are a bitter Arkansas fan to me. Missouri played VERY well. They stopped McFadden and Jones OVER AND OVER. Missouri was executing perfectly. Missouri was nearly perfectly balanced in terms of running and passing. I don't believe that Missouri would lose to LSU, OSU, Georgia, or USC. (But, of course we will never know) I do know the only team to beat Mizzou was Oklahoma. I also know that Mizzou beat KU and Illinois (both BCS teams). I also know that Missouri is the ONLY TEAM IN DIVISION 1 football to score more than 31 points in every single game it played this year. I also know that Mizzou beat Illinois who beat Ohio State and we beat Arkansas who beat LSU. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] bcs dissatisfaction
At 01:10 AM 1/2/2008, you wrote: earlier today, usc killed illinois. they look like the best team in the country. and georgia just crushed hawaii. i think they are the best team in the country. missouri really messed up arkansas. looked to me like maybe they are the best team in the country. and this is going to go on all week, as teams that could be the best team in the land will smash up crappy pretenders. and then lsu plays ohio state and the winner is proclaimed the best team in the country, even though few will really feel good about it. hey, i have an idea! why not get all the really top teams that might be the best and have a playoff? clever and original, huh? Gary, One Question. Who decides? Fred Moir Lynn MA Dieselitis Maximus ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] bcs dissatisfaction
who decides who is in the playoffs? On Jan 2, 2008 11:41 AM, Frederick W Moir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 01:10 AM 1/2/2008, you wrote: earlier today, usc killed illinois. they look like the best team in the country. and georgia just crushed hawaii. i think they are the best team in the country. missouri really messed up arkansas. looked to me like maybe they are the best team in the country. and this is going to go on all week, as teams that could be the best team in the land will smash up crappy pretenders. and then lsu plays ohio state and the winner is proclaimed the best team in the country, even though few will really feel good about it. hey, i have an idea! why not get all the really top teams that might be the best and have a playoff? clever and original, huh? Gary, One Question. Who decides? Fred Moir Lynn MA Dieselitis Maximus ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] bcs dissatisfaction
Turn them all into NFL farm teams, pay the players, drop the pretense of being students (unless they also want a free education), and run it like an organized business (better than it is through the NCAA). My SIL tutors some of these students at a major university -- the stories she can tell --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] bcs dissatisfaction
Andrew S. wrote: Which is why OK should be no. 1. I mostly agree with you. OU is a GREAT team (I hate them, but they are VERY GOOD). They were the only team to beat Mizzou. They pounded the crap out of most of their opponents. They are ridiculously fast on defense. LSU should probably be in the National Championship because there only losses were triple overtime losses. Ohio State does not belong. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] bcs dissatisfaction
Gary wrote: which is why i think mizzou deserves a chance at a national championship. as does oklahoma, georgia, lsu, ohio state, usc and even virginia tech. the bcs does not work I agree with you. Take the top 16 teams have a 8 game playoff (play them at the bowls - so that the bowls won't revolt over losing the money. Rotate the Championship from bowl to bowl. It would be great! If the NCAA can do it with 65 teams in March, why can't the BCS figure it out with 16 teams. I don't have that much to argue about this year. Mizzou had its chance. We were #1. If we had beat Oklahoma, we would have played in the NC game. BUT, OU was vastly superior during the Big 12 Championship. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '87 300TD
Have not looked so don't know if anyone has already corrected me BUT the van on the TV show is actually a Sprinter and not a Ford. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of R A Bennell Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 2:54 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] '87 300TD Ever watch the tv show John and Kate Plus 8 (I think I got the name right - not really sure about John)? A couple who had twins and then sextuplets. They have a big Ford Diesel van if I recall. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin, work Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 2:15 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] '87 300TD Because I currently do not have a vehicle that will seat the entire family --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '87 300TD How will it help with the kids situation, Kaleb? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] bcs dissatisfaction
At 11:45 AM 1/2/2008, you wrote: who decides who is in the playoffs? Who decides who is best? There must be at least 250 million opinions, not so? Fred Moir Lynn MA ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] bcs dissatisfaction
the playoff decides. how you structure that is somewhat arbitrary. On Jan 2, 2008 12:07 PM, Frederick W Moir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 11:45 AM 1/2/2008, you wrote: who decides who is in the playoffs? Who decides who is best? There must be at least 250 million opinions, not so? Fred Moir Lynn MA ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo
On Dec 31, 2007 7:20 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 31-32 with a 603, what is your secret? Do you drive it like an old lady? My thoughts exactly. Marshall always said that 30 mpg was at the high end of what you could get with a 603 car, and required steady 60-mph highway driving. Peter's the only person I have ever heard report getting over 30 mpg consistently. I have to think that there's something really exceptional about Peter's car, or his driving habits. Maybe he's just way out in the tail end of the bell curve? FWIW, in the two '87 300Ds I've owned, I've always seen 25-27 mpg pretty consistently with about a 50-50 mix of city and highway driving. I know the one I have now got very slightly better mileage (1-2 mpg maybe) before I adjusted the ALDA, at the expense of terrible turbo lag---it was running way too lean (is that even the right word where diesels are concerned?). Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stella Awards
Allan Streib wrote: Yes, I am sure the discussion at McDonald's headquarters went something like this: What's the matter, Ron? Well Don, we've run flat out of ideas on how to scr*w our customers. No problem Ron, I've been working on a new idea on how we can burn them with our coffee! Wow! Sounds great, Don! They may not have been directly trying to screw us, but there was probably some benefit to keeping the coffee that hot (no idea what that might be) that saved the company money or something. Hence why it took a lawsuit to get them to stop doing it. McDonalds is like Wal-Mart in that if you save $.05 at one store, you save tons of money across all of them. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo
I will freely admit to being a sedate driver -- I refuse to be in much of a hurry for anything anymore, it's too much hassle. However, here is what I usually do to keep fuel consumption down: light throttle until the 1-2 upshift, then add power. Keep the rear tires as 36 psi, rides a bit harder, but you get better milage. Rebuild the rear calipers if the brake pads don't wear -- they stick badly as they really only get used when at full load. I pull mine once in a while and make sure the pads move freely, else the rust in place and drag. They then stick and drag. Keep the front end properly aligned! Check the front wheel bearings, too, a bad one will drag quite a bit. Accelerate gently, let some other idiot burn up fuel if he wants. A 603 will wind out a bit, just give it a bit of time. I still only get 14 mpg in my 280 SE 4.5, no matter what I do Ft. Wayne actually looks better than it did -- a new Libraby, quite nice the in the new style (too much wasted space for me, but it's the new way), a nice Convention Center downtown, old Train Station fixed up and in use, lots of traffic downtown. Still no major new industry, but I think that's going to change, the fad for outsourcing everything but the CEO's salary is just about over. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo
Maybe his odometer is not correct, maybe its too fast --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo On Dec 31, 2007 7:20 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 31-32 with a 603, what is your secret? Do you drive it like an old lady? My thoughts exactly. Marshall always said that 30 mpg was at the high end of what you could get with a 603 car, and required steady 60-mph highway driving. Peter's the only person I have ever heard report getting over 30 mpg consistently. I have to think that there's something really exceptional about Peter's car, or his driving habits. Maybe he's just way out in the tail end of the bell curve? FWIW, in the two '87 300Ds I've owned, I've always seen 25-27 mpg pretty consistently with about a 50-50 mix of city and highway driving. I know the one I have now got very slightly better mileage (1-2 mpg maybe) before I adjusted the ALDA, at the expense of terrible turbo lag---it was running way too lean (is that even the right word where diesels are concerned?). Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo
I dont have enough patience to drive like you do :) --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo I will freely admit to being a sedate driver -- I refuse to be in much of a hurry for anything anymore, it's too much hassle. However, here is what I usually do to keep fuel consumption down: light throttle until the 1-2 upshift, then add power. Keep the rear tires as 36 psi, rides a bit harder, but you get better milage. Rebuild the rear calipers if the brake pads don't wear -- they stick badly as they really only get used when at full load. I pull mine once in a while and make sure the pads move freely, else the rust in place and drag. They then stick and drag. Keep the front end properly aligned! Check the front wheel bearings, too, a bad one will drag quite a bit. Accelerate gently, let some other idiot burn up fuel if he wants. A 603 will wind out a bit, just give it a bit of time. I still only get 14 mpg in my 280 SE 4.5, no matter what I do Ft. Wayne actually looks better than it did -- a new Libraby, quite nice the in the new style (too much wasted space for me, but it's the new way), a nice Convention Center downtown, old Train Station fixed up and in use, lots of traffic downtown. Still no major new industry, but I think that's going to change, the fad for outsourcing everything but the CEO's salary is just about over. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 603 fuel economy [was: 2.5 turbo]
On Jan 2, 2008 9:50 AM, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, here is what I usually do to keep fuel consumption down: light throttle until the 1-2 upshift, then add power. Easier said than done with the way you have to merge on freeways sometimes! Keep the rear tires as 36 psi, rides a bit harder, but you get better milage. Already do that... I use the recommended pressures from the manual for sustained 100 mph+ driving all the time. Rebuild the rear calipers if the brake pads don't wear -- they stick badly as they really only get used when at full load. I pull mine once in a while and make sure the pads move freely, else the rust in place and drag. They then stick and drag. That's a good recommendation. When I have the car in the air twice a year to swap winter/summer tires, I always spin each wheel by hand and compare for drag and funny noises. Do you think that's a suitable test? Keep the front end properly aligned! Check the front wheel bearings, too, a bad one will drag quite a bit. Good idea too. When doing the spin test as above I have noticed that the front wheels seem to make a bit of a grumbly noise... not loud enough to be audible when actually driving yet, but am I right in thinking that's the first sign of bearings needing to be rebuilt or replaced? I've never done that job on a Benz before... Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 99 E430 window
Left rear window mechanism in friend's 99 E430 has failed. Does this mechanism have the same little plastic slide that often fails in 123's and 126's? Also, what else is on same circuit with this window, so I can ask him specifically, What else doesn't work? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stella Awards
John Robbins wrote: probably some benefit to keeping the coffee that hot We've got the hottest, freshest brew in town!!! The paperwork with the Bunn home brewer claims that it maintains a tank of 190 degree water because it's the perfect brewing temperature. If you brew at 190 and serve it fresh, it's HOT. I think the pre-Stella McDonald's maintenance temp after brewing was about 160 deg F (71C), which is as hot as I can get the coolant in my 2.3L gasser in the winter. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo
That's the case in my 300D, the speedo reads 2 - 3 mph higher than any of my other cars, based on a school zone radar sign that displays your speed as you drive past. Allan On Jan 2, 2008, at 12:56 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: Maybe his odometer is not correct, maybe its too fast --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: Cheap generator
So one of my New Years resolutions is to lose 10 pounds. I figure a good way to do it would be to bicycle more. A good way to bicycle more while its cold out would be a stationary bike. I hate the idea of buying a stationary bike so why not get an old bike and convert it? Well heck if I'm converting a bike why not make it generate electricty? Okay, I've got my welder and my new helmet that makes it actually useful, I've got a vauge idea about how I'll make the bike stationary, I've seen a website where somebody actually did this http://otherpower.com/otherpower_experiments_bicycle.html Now I need a generator... Ideally it'll be internally regulated, doubly ideally it'll be cheap It looks like I could get a starter/generator from a Cub Cadet tractor for about $30 and a regulator for about $10. I like that because they're relatively low speed engines... Any ideas? -Curt - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stella Awards
Actually, I'm thinking they used one of those jacketed urns for coffee. It keep the coffee hotter which IMHO keep you from tasting how vile it is. I used to think McDons just added to the mix and never actually brewed a fresh pot. Watered down, it's flavorless but actually is the right color. From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 13:23:09 -0500 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Stella Awards John Robbins wrote: probably some benefit to keeping the coffee that hot We've got the hottest, freshest brew in town!!! The paperwork with the Bunn home brewer claims that it maintains a tank of 190 degree water because it's the perfect brewing temperature. If you brew at 190 and serve it fresh, it's HOT. I think the pre-Stella McDonald's maintenance temp after brewing was about 160 deg F (71C), which is as hot as I can get the coolant in my 2.3L gasser in the winter. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Cheap generator
Run the bike chain to a Bosch externally regulated alternator then feed the rotor through a rheostat dump the current into a battery. Use the rhoestat to vary the charge rate (the pedal resistance). It won't take much to create a nice load. You need to gear up to the alternator - about 5,000 RPM at the alternator shaft should do nicely. Then drive a radiator cooling fan from the battery point the fan at you. You will probably need to suplement charging with a battery charger. I know I would. ;) Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/2/08 2:09 PM To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: [MBZ] OT: Cheap generator So one of my New Years resolutions is to lose 10 pounds. I figure a good way to do it would be to bicycle more. A good way to bicycle more while its cold out would be a stationary bike. I hate the idea of buying a stationary bike so why not get an old bike and convert it? Well heck if I'm converting a bike why not make it generate electricty? Okay, I've got my welder and my new helmet that makes it actually useful, I've got a vauge idea about how I'll make the bike stationary, I've seen a website where somebody actually did this http://otherpower.com/otherpower_experiments_bicycle.html Now I need a generator... Ideally it'll be internally regulated, doubly ideally it'll be cheap It looks like I could get a starter/generator from a Cub Cadet tractor for about $30 and a regulator for about $10. I like that because they're relatively low speed engines... Any ideas? -Curt - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1207 - Release Date: 1/2/2008 11:29 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Cheap generator
5,000rpm is way too fast. I've never checked but I'd bet I pedel in tens of RPMs the gearing required to get to 5000 would be very wasteful. The page I reference said he puts out ~5a at somewhat leisurely speeds, thats what I'm looking for. I'm planning to add his idea of a flywheel to make it smoother and more pleasant. I'd bet the Cub Cadet generator I mentioned is happiest around 1200rpm which is most of the reason I picked it. I dunno how much power it makes though... -Curt Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 13:22:06 -0600 From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Cheap generator To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Run the bike chain to a Bosch externally regulated alternator then feed the rotor through a rheostat dump the current into a battery. Use the rhoestat to vary the charge rate (the pedal resistance). It won't take much to create a nice load. You need to gear up to the alternator - about 5,000 RPM at the alternator shaft should do nicely. Then drive a radiator cooling fan from the battery point the fan at you. You will probably need to suplement charging with a battery charger. I know I would. ;) Tom www.kegkits.com - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 123 mpg was Re: 2.5 turbo
Alex wrote: Marshall always said that 30 mpg was at the high end of what you could get with a 603 car, and required steady 60-mph highway driving. Peter's the only person I have ever heard report getting over 30 mpg consistently. I concur. I had three different 123 300D's. I usually got 22-26 mpg. My in town was worse. I remember getting 16-17 mpg in town on my last. But, that car had over 400,000 miles on it, I am sure it needed top end work and I drove it hard ALL of the time. I had to. It was a dog. I think it was worn out. It had over 475,000 miles when I sold it. The timing chain was replaced before I got it with slightly more than 200,000 miles on it. Who knows how much chin stretch their was. I would guess that would effect mileage negatively. The best fuel miser of all of my MB's was the 1990 2.5. That was/is a great car. I also got over 40 mpg in my old Honda Civic hatchback 5 speed. My old 1990 Oldsmobile 88 would also get 34 mpg on the highway if it was ALL highway and I didn't drive 75 0r 80. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Cheap generator
I hate the idea of buying a stationary bike so why not get an old bike and convert it? Well heck if I'm converting a bike why not make it generate electricty? Now I need a generator... Ideally it'll be internally regulated, doubly ideally it'll be cheap It looks like I could get a starter/generator from a Cub Cadet tractor for about $30 and a regulator for about $10. I like that because they're relatively low speed engines... Any ideas? -Curt A car alternator and battery - plus and an inverter. ACDelco have been internally regulated since about '75. Pick one up at the local salvage yard cheap. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stella Awards
Interesting that you mention this. There was a very spirited conversation at a party I went to this week about how Bunn coffeemakers were the only ones that made good coffee, and that was because of how hot they got the water. Dan --- Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Robbins wrote: probably some benefit to keeping the coffee that hot We've got the hottest, freshest brew in town!!! The paperwork with the Bunn home brewer claims that it maintains a tank of 190 degree water because it's the perfect brewing temperature. If you brew at 190 and serve it fresh, it's HOT. I think the pre-Stella McDonald's maintenance temp after brewing was about 160 deg F (71C), which is as hot as I can get the coolant in my 2.3L gasser in the winter. Mitch. Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 mpg was Re: 2.5 turbo
Alex wrote: Marshall always said that 30 mpg was at the high end of what you could get with a 603 car, and required steady 60-mph highway driving. Peter's the only person I have ever heard report getting over 30 mpg consistently. I concur. I had three different 123 300D's. I usually got 22-26 mpg. My in town was worse. I remember getting 16-17 mpg in town on my last. Donald H. Snook I thought the OM603 was too new to have ever been in a W123. Isn't the OM616 and OM617 the only W123 motors? -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Cheap generator
DUDE Combine both interests with this little number: http://bicycledesign.blogspot.com/2007/12/bicycle-powered-welder.html Might be the same deal as the one you cite? --R Curt Raymond wrote: So one of my New Years resolutions is to lose 10 pounds. I figure a good way to do it would be to bicycle more. A good way to bicycle more while its cold out would be a stationary bike. I hate the idea of buying a stationary bike so why not get an old bike and convert it? Well heck if I'm converting a bike why not make it generate electricty? Okay, I've got my welder and my new helmet that makes it actually useful, I've got a vauge idea about how I'll make the bike stationary, I've seen a website where somebody actually did this http://otherpower.com/otherpower_experiments_bicycle.html Now I need a generator... Ideally it'll be internally regulated, doubly ideally it'll be cheap It looks like I could get a starter/generator from a Cub Cadet tractor for about $30 and a regulator for about $10. I like that because they're relatively low speed engines... Any ideas? -Curt - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 mpg was Re: 2.5 turbo
Correct. I thought the OM603 was too new to have ever been in a W123. Isn't the OM616 and OM617 the only W123 motors? -- Philip -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Cheap generator
This reaises the age old question - which came first, the human powered welder, or the converted bicycle? On Jan 2, 2008 2:15 PM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DUDE Combine both interests with this little number: http://bicycledesign.blogspot.com/2007/12/bicycle-powered-welder.html -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Coffee is hot (was: Re: Stella Awards)
At home I used to use a pour-over filter/funnel with a vacuum bottle and pour in boiling water from a kettle. Now I use a small percolator, which also works by boiling the water. Makes a nice tasting brew, though you do tend to have a few stray grounds in the bottom of your cup. Yes, news flash, coffee is made with hot near-boiling water. Probably not a good idea to try to drink it while driving. McDonald's uses standard restaurant style Bunn coffee makers and their coffee is/was no hotter than anyone elses using the same equipment. Despite what your views might be on their finished product, they do buy top tier ingredients and don't pinch pennies on equipment either. Their coffee for years was about on par with Folgers/Maxwell House, I actually think their new premium roast or whatever they are calling it now is quite good and certainly a better value than Starbucks. Allan LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Interesting that you mention this. There was a very spirited conversation at a party I went to this week about how Bunn coffeemakers were the only ones that made good coffee, and that was because of how hot they got the water. Dan --- Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Robbins wrote: probably some benefit to keeping the coffee that hot We've got the hottest, freshest brew in town!!! The paperwork with the Bunn home brewer claims that it maintains a tank of 190 degree water because it's the perfect brewing temperature. If you brew at 190 and serve it fresh, it's HOT. I think the pre-Stella McDonald's maintenance temp after brewing was about 160 deg F (71C), which is as hot as I can get the coolant in my 2.3L gasser in the winter. Mitch. Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Cheap generator
Curt Raymond wrote: I'd bet the Cub Cadet generator I mentioned is happiest around 1200rpm The Delco S/G you mention doesn't seem to do much below 1000 engine RPM, and the crankshaft pulley is lots bigger than the S/G pulley. I bet it hits 10,000 rpm at redline (where it can easily peg the 30A meter if the regulator sticks full on). I'd rather use an alternator myself. I like the idea of using a rheostat on the field of an old 35A Bosch alternator or similar. It might be easiest to use a standard rear wheel, and put a drive roller on the alternator rubbing the tire. There is some friction loss and tire wear if you do that, but it makes the drivetrain simple, with a very high step-up gear ratio. I saw one that used a 24V wheelchair motor for a generator, I think it was in Homepower 5-10 years ago. Nice recumbent frame design so you could watch TV while powering the TV, without craning your neck. More efficient than a car alternator, but lots more $$$ than a salvage alternator. Aha, I found it: https://www.homepower.com/article/?file=HP81_pg70_Dahlen I can email that issue to you, but it's 7.5MB. Here's Mother Earth News's take on the concept: http://www.motherearthnews.com/DIY/1981-01-01/Cycle-Power.aspx http://www.motherearthnews.com/Alternative-Energy/1981-03-01/Cycle-Power-Part-II.aspx http://www.motherearthnews.com/DIY/1981-05-01/Cycle-Power-Part-III.aspx ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OM617 cold start procedure
This morning, the 300D was cold-soaked to to about 5 degrees (F). M1 15W-50 oil. Glowed twice, and tried to start following the procedure: throttle to the floor, and don't stop cranking until the battery dies. After about 20 - 30 seconds the starter seemed to be turning slightly faster but still no hint of firing. I released the throttle to just slightly more than idle and it immediately began to fire sporadically. A few more seconds and it was firing steadily. I've never had luck with the throttle to the floor part of the cold start process, anyone else have similar experience? Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM617 cold start procedure
Yea, it seems like when I put the pedal to the floor, it starts not firing, but if I back off, it starts kicking off. I can do this and it start kicking off and if I floor it while its doing that, it goes back to not firing at all. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 3:02 PM Subject: [MBZ] OM617 cold start procedure This morning, the 300D was cold-soaked to to about 5 degrees (F). M1 15W-50 oil. Glowed twice, and tried to start following the procedure: throttle to the floor, and don't stop cranking until the battery dies. After about 20 - 30 seconds the starter seemed to be turning slightly faster but still no hint of firing. I released the throttle to just slightly more than idle and it immediately began to fire sporadically. A few more seconds and it was firing steadily. I've never had luck with the throttle to the floor part of the cold start process, anyone else have similar experience? Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM617 cold start procedure
Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: Yea, it seems like when I put the pedal to the floor, it starts not firing, but if I back off, it starts kicking off. I can do this and it start kicking off and if I floor it while its doing that, it goes back to not firing at all. I always started the 300SD by holding the pedal partway down while I turned the hand idle control to full speed, then released the foot pedal and starting the car. I've got that thing adjusted so that full hand throttle is just below the point where the ALDA kicks in. On the 190d 2.5t, it seems to like 1/4 of pedal. Wish it had a manual idle control like the W116 has. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Cheap generator
Now if I could just get my Cat to pedal while I'm sitting in front of the TV with a beer in my hand... Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 1/2/08 3:42 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Cheap generator Curt Raymond wrote: I'd bet the Cub Cadet generator I mentioned is happiest around 1200rpm The Delco S/G you mention doesn't seem to do much below 1000 engine RPM, and the crankshaft pulley is lots bigger than the S/G pulley. I bet it hits 10,000 rpm at redline (where it can easily peg the 30A meter if the regulator sticks full on). I'd rather use an alternator myself. I like the idea of using a rheostat on the field of an old 35A Bosch alternator or similar. It might be easiest to use a standard rear wheel, and put a drive roller on the alternator rubbing the tire. There is some friction loss and tire wear if you do that, but it makes the drivetrain simple, with a very high step-up gear ratio. I saw one that used a 24V wheelchair motor for a generator, I think it was in Homepower 5-10 years ago. Nice recumbent frame design so you could watch TV while powering the TV, without craning your neck. More efficient than a car alternator, but lots more $$$ than a salvage alternator. Aha, I found it: https://www.homepower.com/article/?file=HP81_pg70_Dahlen I can email that issue to you, but it's 7.5MB. Here's Mother Earth News's take on the concept: http://www.motherearthnews.com/DIY/1981-01-01/Cycle-Power.aspx http://www.motherearthnews.com/Alternative-Energy/1981-03-01/Cycle-Power -Part-II.aspx http://www.motherearthnews.com/DIY/1981-05-01/Cycle-Power-Part-III.aspx ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1207 - Release Date: 1/2/2008 11:29 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] bcs dissatisfaction
They just need to go back to how it was before the BCS. Teams win their conferences, they get invites to their perennial bowl games. Why does their have to be a best in the country? BCS is crap. Having anything other that a Pac10 Big10 Rose Bowl is blasphemous. Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 11:10 PM To: Banned List; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] bcs dissatisfaction earlier today, usc killed illinois. they look like the best team in the country. and georgia just crushed hawaii. i think they are the best team in the country. missouri really messed up arkansas. looked to me like maybe they are the best team in the country. and this is going to go on all week, as teams that could be the best team in the land will smash up crappy pretenders. and then lsu plays ohio state and the winner is proclaimed the best team in the country, even though few will really feel good about it. hey, i have an idea! why not get all the really top teams that might be the best and have a playoff? clever and original, huh? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] bcs dissatisfaction
i never liked the old system i don't like the new system i want playoff! On Jan 2, 2008 4:15 PM, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They just need to go back to how it was before the BCS. Teams win their conferences, they get invites to their perennial bowl games. Why does their have to be a best in the country? BCS is crap. Having anything other that a Pac10 Big10 Rose Bowl is blasphemous. Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 11:10 PM To: Banned List; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] bcs dissatisfaction earlier today, usc killed illinois. they look like the best team in the country. and georgia just crushed hawaii. i think they are the best team in the country. missouri really messed up arkansas. looked to me like maybe they are the best team in the country. and this is going to go on all week, as teams that could be the best team in the land will smash up crappy pretenders. and then lsu plays ohio state and the winner is proclaimed the best team in the country, even though few will really feel good about it. hey, i have an idea! why not get all the really top teams that might be the best and have a playoff? clever and original, huh? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Stella Awards
Unlike the claims that come out in a trial [absolutely ridiculous, from what I have heard from friends], I do not believe that the intention was to injure anyone. It would be plain silly to suggest malice as a reason. Having had my mouth burned several times [I am a slow learner, I guess] when I thought their coffee had cooled long enough or had enough ice added to it, I'd have to agree it was too hot for safe handling. I am sure they were going on some food science estimate of how to make the best coffee and not medical results of having it spilled in what is common usage of the cups - especially in vintage Mercedes that don't have cup holders. Too bad they didn't just borrow Dunkin' Donuts coffee plan - they have GOOD coffee, though I can't get near the donuts. McD's cooled it down to where it will not cause permanent damage and the need for skin grafts when it comes in contact with human skin. Not really a bad idea, and though it probably does result in a slightly less flavorful coffee I do think it is something they should have figured out on their own. I sure can't tell as I don't get it anymore, and I drink the same pot for 3 days at home so such subtleties are lost on me. As a society we do need a better middle ground between suing everyone for anything and letting producers who cause harm be held blameless. It is a lousy system, except for all the rest. Personally I'd be in favor of charging the person bringing the suit - and their attorney - with the cost of all litigation that got into a 'nuisance' category, except you'd never get legislation passed as to what that threshold was. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 11:12 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Stella Awards Yes, I am sure the discussion at McDonald's headquarters went something like this: What's the matter, Ron? Well Don, we've run flat out of ideas on how to scr*w our customers. No problem Ron, I've been working on a new idea on how we can burn them with our coffee! Wow! Sounds great, Don! On Jan 2, 2008, at 9:54 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: Right on, BillR! My ex spouse burned herself badly after we drove away from a McDs in Rockville MD in the early 80s. I was driving when it spilled. She had first degree burns in the same area as the woman in the lawsuit, despite the fact that the coffee was several minuites old. It may be politically incorrect to support this sort of litigation but 1) it gets the attention of corporations scr*w us over, and 2) protects the rest of us who are exposedto the same perils. On Dec 31, 2007 5:10 PM, Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have always looked at the McDonald's hot coffee suit that way also, until I ran into someone who actually read the particulars of the case. The coffee, which McDonalds stated was too hot to be safe, burned through her skin and caused multiple surgeries and some permanent damage. Unsafe for anyone at that temperature, and given the environment at McDonalds I suppose we should be glad it wasn't a kid grabbing a parent's arm and losing much of the skin on their face. I am by no means up on the particulars of the case, but I am told it is not the case it is usually presented to be. At any rate, I have stopped using it as an example until I know a bit more about it. BillR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 300D Front end Alignment
Since I've worn out the inside of the front tires (Michelin Dynasty, 68K miles on them...sweet) I'm going for an alignment Friday morning. Historically, from all y'alls experience, what will he tell me needs to be replaced for what is occurring? Donkey Shirts. Bob R. '77 300D 187Kmiles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 mpg was Re: 2.5 turbo
Phillip wrote: I thought the OM603 was too new to have ever been in a W123. Isn't the * OM616 and OM617 the only W123 motors? Whoops, yes. You are right. I mixed up my engines. I thought someone was claiming to get 30 mpg consistently on a 123. But, yes, you are right. The 603 was not in the 123. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Cheap generator
One of the 1 wire ones and use the bike frame as ground? Duh, it'll get field voltage automatically right? Will it be okay going so slow? Remember we're not talking about alot of torque either. -Curt Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 14:11:11 -0600 From: Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Cheap generator To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I hate the idea of buying a stationary bike so why not get an old bike and convert it? Well heck if I'm converting a bike why not make it generate electricty? Now I need a generator... Ideally it'll be internally regulated, doubly ideally it'll be cheap It looks like I could get a starter/generator from a Cub Cadet tractor for about $30 and a regulator for about $10. I like that because they're relatively low speed engines... Any ideas? -Curt A car alternator and battery - plus and an inverter. ACDelco have been internally regulated since about '75. Pick one up at the local salvage yard cheap. -- Philip - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Cheap generator
I'm thinking 300# weights might be difficult to comeby... I don't think they welded it with electricity looks like friction? -Curt Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 14:15:45 -0600 From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Cheap generator To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed DUDE Combine both interests with this little number: http://bicycledesign.blogspot.com/2007/12/bicycle-powered-welder.html Might be the same deal as the one you cite? --R Curt Raymond wrote: So one of my New Years resolutions is to lose 10 pounds. I figure a good way to do it would be to bicycle more. A good way to bicycle more while its cold out would be a stationary bike. I hate the idea of buying a stationary bike so why not get an old bike and convert it? Well heck if I'm converting a bike why not make it generate electricty? Okay, I've got my welder and my new helmet that makes it actually useful, I've got a vauge idea about how I'll make the bike stationary, I've seen a website where somebody actually did this http://otherpower.com/otherpower_experiments_bicycle.html Now I need a generator... Ideally it'll be internally regulated, doubly ideally it'll be cheap It looks like I could get a starter/generator from a Cub Cadet tractor for about $30 and a regulator for about $10. I like that because they're relatively low speed engines... Any ideas? -Curt - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Cheap generator
Hmm, not a bad idea that... Maybe a big v belt around the wheel with the tire removed would have less wear? Six of one a half dozen of another. I think for your design I'd have to create something for the bike tire to roll on though, I'm sure the pully is too small and too close to the alternator fan. -Curt Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 15:42:15 -0500 From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Cheap generator To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Curt Raymond wrote: I'd bet the Cub Cadet generator I mentioned is happiest around 1200rpm The Delco S/G you mention doesn't seem to do much below 1000 engine RPM, and the crankshaft pulley is lots bigger than the S/G pulley. I bet it hits 10,000 rpm at redline (where it can easily peg the 30A meter if the regulator sticks full on). I'd rather use an alternator myself. I like the idea of using a rheostat on the field of an old 35A Bosch alternator or similar. It might be easiest to use a standard rear wheel, and put a drive roller on the alternator rubbing the tire. There is some friction loss and tire wear if you do that, but it makes the drivetrain simple, with a very high step-up gear ratio. I saw one that used a 24V wheelchair motor for a generator, I think it was in Homepower 5-10 years ago. Nice recumbent frame design so you could watch TV while powering the TV, without craning your neck. More efficient than a car alternator, but lots more $$$ than a salvage alternator. Aha, I found it: https://www.homepower.com/article/?file=HP81_pg70_Dahlen I can email that issue to you, but it's 7.5MB. Here's Mother Earth News's take on the concept: http://www.motherearthnews.com/DIY/1981-01-01/Cycle-Power.aspx http://www.motherearthnews.com/Alternative-Energy/1981-03-01/Cycle-Power-Part-II.aspx http://www.motherearthnews.com/DIY/1981-05-01/Cycle-Power-Part-III.aspx - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM617 cold start procedure
I thought it was pedal to the floor 2-3 times (to ensure the IP is off the stop) then hold at 1/2 throttle until it starts... Thats what I always did with my 240D. With the 190D I give just a hint of pressure on the throttle and it goes a treat. -Curt Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 16:02:14 -0500 From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] OM617 cold start procedure To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This morning, the 300D was cold-soaked to to about 5 degrees (F). M1 15W-50 oil. Glowed twice, and tried to start following the procedure: throttle to the floor, and don't stop cranking until the battery dies. After about 20 - 30 seconds the starter seemed to be turning slightly faster but still no hint of firing. I released the throttle to just slightly more than idle and it immediately began to fire sporadically. A few more seconds and it was firing steadily. I've never had luck with the throttle to the floor part of the cold start process, anyone else have similar experience? Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Probably a surprise to all of us that the list no longer exists.
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Re: [MBZ] Stella Awards
UGH DD is pretty poor. I'll get it only because sometimes I like having coffee in the car and refuse to go to McDs for anything even though their coffee is pretty good, which I found out by accident. You want good coffee you get Tim Hortons... Or barring that you go to NYC and get it from a cart. -Curt Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 16:29:33 -0500 From: Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Stella Awards To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii snip Too bad they didn't just borrow Dunkin' Donuts coffee plan - they have GOOD coffee, though I can't get near the donuts. snip again - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Probably a surprise to all of us that the list no longerexists.
Yea, thats quite a surprise. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 4:19 PM Subject: [MBZ] Probably a surprise to all of us that the list no longerexists. This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification. Delivery to the following recipients failed permanently: * mercedes@okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stella Awards
Oh and if you put coffee between your legs and it burns you you get what you get. Coffee is supposed to be hot, if it was cold you'd complain. A cup thats between your legs is full of stuff thats going to get on you. The first thing to do is to admit that you do stupid stuff, then look at your life and say If I did that what would happen then when you come up with negative answers don't do those things. So: If I put a cup of hot coffee between my legs and it spills what happens? I get hot coffee all over my crotch and I might be burned. Okay so that sounds like a bad thing, I guess I shouldn't do that... A DD medium coffee fits perfectly just in front of the arm rest and if you're very careful you can use the armrest to apply enough pressure so it won't move. I've considered making a small cutout to hold a cup more solidly, might do that some day, a piece of styrofoam covered in fabric might work nice and be removeable so other stuff could live there. -Curt - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] correct tire size for '83 300D?
Needing new tires, and thinking that since my speedo reads a little fast, maybe I have the wrong size on there currently. What is the correct size for an '83 300D, with the stock bundt wheels? Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300D Front end Alignment
In a message dated 1/2/2008 2:42:10 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Since I've worn out the inside of the front tires (Michelin Dynasty, 68K miles on them...sweet) I'm going for an alignment Friday morning. Historically, from all y'alls experience, what will he tell me needs to be replaced for what is occurring? Bob, Upper control arm bushings. Worn or missing rubber bushings will allow the top of the tire to tip inward. Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 264 K miles 98 ML 320, 152 K miles **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stella Awards
I have only lived in Jacksonville for 2.5 years and have not tried the DD coffee here. In Coral Springs it was really good. I wonder how much variation there is in coffee in a chain restaurant. I like Olive Garden's Pasta e Fagioli soup, and at my local restaurant it is spicier than the Zuppa Toscana. Tried it at an Olive Garden in Orlando and the Zuppa Toscana was spicier. How much leeway do they give the local chef? BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 5:20 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Stella Awards UGH DD is pretty poor. I'll get it only because sometimes I like having coffee in the car and refuse to go to McDs for anything even though their coffee is pretty good, which I found out by accident. You want good coffee you get Tim Hortons... Or barring that you go to NYC and get it from a cart. -Curt Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 16:29:33 -0500 From: Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Stella Awards To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii snip Too bad they didn't just borrow Dunkin' Donuts coffee plan - they have GOOD coffee, though I can't get near the donuts. snip again - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stella Awards
I bought a 'stained to match' plywood insert for the console with two cup holders on eBay a couple of years ago. Almost never use it because you can't with the arm rest down and it is an inconvenient angle at best with the armrest up. I've never spilled hot coffee on myself [just burned my mouth a few times] but see enough possibilities that I'd rather see it a bit safer, and I've never met anyone who hasn't done some stupid stuff. I don't think this is an issue we will agree on, Curt. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 5:24 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Stella Awards Oh and if you put coffee between your legs and it burns you you get what you get. Coffee is supposed to be hot, if it was cold you'd complain. A cup thats between your legs is full of stuff thats going to get on you. The first thing to do is to admit that you do stupid stuff, then look at your life and say If I did that what would happen then when you come up with negative answers don't do those things. So: If I put a cup of hot coffee between my legs and it spills what happens? I get hot coffee all over my crotch and I might be burned. Okay so that sounds like a bad thing, I guess I shouldn't do that... A DD medium coffee fits perfectly just in front of the arm rest and if you're very careful you can use the armrest to apply enough pressure so it won't move. I've considered making a small cutout to hold a cup more solidly, might do that some day, a piece of styrofoam covered in fabric might work nice and be removeable so other stuff could live there. -Curt - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stella Awards
Coffee in a covered styrofoam cup will stay hot for a LONG time. Much longer than coffee in an uncovered ceramic mug or even most automobile-style travel mugs. Adjust your expectations accordingly. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've never spilled hot coffee on myself [just burned my mouth a few times] but see enough possibilities that I'd rather see it a bit safer, and I've never met anyone who hasn't done some stupid stuff. I don't think this is an issue we will agree on, Curt. BillR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stella Awards
I have a clone recipe for the pasta fagioli form Olive Garden if you want it. My wife loves the stuff and claims this is as good or better. Drop me a note off-list... Dan --- Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have only lived in Jacksonville for 2.5 years and have not tried the DD coffee here. In Coral Springs it was really good. I wonder how much variation there is in coffee in a chain restaurant. I like Olive Garden's Pasta e Fagioli soup, and at my local restaurant it is spicier than the Zuppa Toscana. Tried it at an Olive Garden in Orlando and the Zuppa Toscana was spicier. How much leeway do they give the local chef? BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 5:20 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Stella Awards UGH DD is pretty poor. I'll get it only because sometimes I like having coffee in the car and refuse to go to McDs for anything even though their coffee is pretty good, which I found out by accident. You want good coffee you get Tim Hortons... Or barring that you go to NYC and get it from a cart. -Curt Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 16:29:33 -0500 From: Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Stella Awards To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii snip Too bad they didn't just borrow Dunkin' Donuts coffee plan - they have GOOD coffee, though I can't get near the donuts. snip again - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stella Awards
if it is hot, you complain and get rich. if it is cold, you complain and drink crappy coffee. can you imagine a world in which they will be serving coffee at 140 degrees? or better yet, just ban to go coffee sales as too dangerous. have i ever made mention of how much i hate the world i live in? On Jan 2, 2008 5:24 PM, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh and if you put coffee between your legs and it burns you you get what you get. Coffee is supposed to be hot, if it was cold you'd complain. A cup thats between your legs is full of stuff thats going to get on you. The first thing to do is to admit that you do stupid stuff, then look at your life and say If I did that what would happen then when you come up with negative answers don't do those things. So: If I put a cup of hot coffee between my legs and it spills what happens? I get hot coffee all over my crotch and I might be burned. Okay so that sounds like a bad thing, I guess I shouldn't do that... A DD medium coffee fits perfectly just in front of the arm rest and if you're very careful you can use the armrest to apply enough pressure so it won't move. I've considered making a small cutout to hold a cup more solidly, might do that some day, a piece of styrofoam covered in fabric might work nice and be removeable so other stuff could live there. -Curt - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300D Front end Alignment
Mr. Jim told me: Upper control arm bushings. Worn or missing rubber bushings will allow the top of the tire to tip inward. Special tools are need for this repair, correct? BobR. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300D Front end Alignment
Mr. Jim, Chuck Have either of you guys dealt with Jack's Alignment at 28th St and Thomas? That's where Bud sends people. Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 3:43 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300D Front end Alignment In a message dated 1/2/2008 2:42:10 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Since I've worn out the inside of the front tires (Michelin Dynasty, 68K miles on them...sweet) I'm going for an alignment Friday morning. Historically, from all y'alls experience, what will he tell me needs to be replaced for what is occurring? Bob, Upper control arm bushings. Worn or missing rubber bushings will allow the top of the tire to tip inward. Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 264 K miles 98 ML 320, 152 K miles **See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Cheap generator
Curt Raymond wrote: One of the 1 wire ones and use the bike frame as ground? Duh, it'll get field voltage automatically right? Will it be okay going so slow? Remember we're not talking about alot of torque either. If you use an internally regulated alternator, whenever the switch is on you will be running maximum field current (~4-5A IIRC) until the voltage hits 14.5 or so. That will put the alternator in maximum resistance mode, and it's possible that you won't ever get it spinning fast enough to be a producer instead of a user of electricity. If you use an automotive generator or alternator, get one with an external regulator so you can play with the field current yourself. Whoever suggested using a rheostat to manually set the field current (which corresponds to resistance) had a fantastic idea. It might be possible to use an alternator with a wide (five or six row) serpentine belt pulley against a bike tire. You could use an externally regulated alternator with a regulator, and put a rheostat inline with the wire to the field coil. That way you'd have regulated output, but you could dial it back manually if resistance was too much to pedal against. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300D Front end Alignment
Robert Rentfro wrote: Upper control arm bushings. Worn or missing rubber bushings will allow the top of the tire to tip inward. Special tools are need for this repair, correct? Its the lower control arm bushings that are the nasty ones. You are in the clear. :) John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300D Front end Alignment
ReallyI suppose if a guy is doing an alignment I may as well let him do the upper bushings Indy's need to eat too. Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Robbins Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 4:33 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300D Front end Alignment Robert Rentfro wrote: Upper control arm bushings. Worn or missing rubber bushings will allow the top of the tire to tip inward. Special tools are need for this repair, correct? Its the lower control arm bushings that are the nasty ones. You are in the clear. :) John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo
No odometer right now -- busted. However, I used 9.6 gallons of fuel from Evansville, IN to Ft. Wayne and 9.4 on the way back (n the rain), according to Mapquest it's almost exactly 300 miles point to point. The old one got 38-29 all the time (accurate odometer and speedo), jumped up a bit when I replaced the head gasket to 30-31. My old Volvo TD got 28 in town, 29 mixed, and 30-31 on the highway too. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300D Front end Alignment
Depending on milage and use, suspect worn tie rods, too (although usually that causes severe outer edge wear). Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stella Awards
On Jan 2, 2008 3:00 PM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Coffee in a covered styrofoam cup will stay hot for a LONG time. Leaching carcinogens into the coffee all the while! How anyone can stand to drink from a hot Styrofoam cup is beyond me. I can taste the chemicals in every sip. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300D Front end Alignment
Bob, If that's Bud's recommendation... Go for it! Take care, Chuck On Jan 2, 2008, at 1:18 PM, Robert Rentfro wrote: Mr. Jim, Chuck Have either of you guys dealt with Jack's Alignment at 28th St and Thomas? That's where Bud sends people. Bob R. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stella Awards
I think the essence of what I'm saying is more like we all do stupid stuff I sure do anyway... I try to take somewhat the more German approach that you should be DRIVING. Although I cheat that an awful lot... IIRC the argument with McDs was that the coffee was much hotter (something insane, like 200F) when it came out of the coffee maker than it needed to be and that people had complained. As a company they shot themselves in the foot, the old lady was only asking for her medical bills. They could have had good press the other way. I wonder, it'd be interesting to see if you could track a sympathy buying pattern around the time of the lawsuit... -Curt Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 17:54:50 -0500 From: Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Stella Awards To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I bought a 'stained to match' plywood insert for the console with two cup holders on eBay a couple of years ago. Almost never use it because you can't with the arm rest down and it is an inconvenient angle at best with the armrest up. I've never spilled hot coffee on myself [just burned my mouth a few times] but see enough possibilities that I'd rather see it a bit safer, and I've never met anyone who hasn't done some stupid stuff. I don't think this is an issue we will agree on, Curt. BillR - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stella Awards
I would speculate its the covered part of that thats the biggest factor. At home I use a coffee press and the coffee in the glass press is hot MUCH longer than in my cup. I can warm up the cup from the press for a surprisingly long time after the coffee in the cup has gone cold. I don't believe the glass of the press has any better insulating properties than the ceramic of my mug but the press is covered. -Curt Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 18:00:43 -0500 From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Stella Awards To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Coffee in a covered styrofoam cup will stay hot for a LONG time. Much longer than coffee in an uncovered ceramic mug or even most automobile-style travel mugs. Adjust your expectations accordingly. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300D Front end Alignment
Could be upper or lower bushings (on the upper you replace the whole upper control arm -- price is not that high for the part, and if I recall, you can't get just the bushings?), or ball joints. Check it all. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (NE) Customer Complaint - Store 3212
My reply from Autozone, whoopie doo... -Curt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr. Raymond, We apologize for any lack of satisfaction you received from your recent AutoZone store experience. Your comments have been forwarded to the regional management team in your area, for review. Thank you, E-Commerce Customer Care Center - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stella Awards
Wow,. personal responsibility -- that'll never fly. We got a pretty boy trial lawyer who made millions suing big drug companies (and no doubt he would have been all over McD's too if he had got there quick enough), thus driving up health care costs, running for president telling us health care costs are too high. Yep, I feel his pain...but I wonder most about those people who are dazzled by that brilliance. OOOPS is that politics? --R Curt Raymond wrote: Oh and if you put coffee between your legs and it burns you you get what you get. Coffee is supposed to be hot, if it was cold you'd complain. A cup thats between your legs is full of stuff thats going to get on you. The first thing to do is to admit that you do stupid stuff, then look at your life and say If I did that what would happen then when you come up with negative answers don't do those things. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stella Awards
- Original Message - From: Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unlike the claims that come out in a trial [absolutely ridiculous, from what I have heard from friends], I do not believe that the intention was to injure anyone. It would be plain silly to suggest malice as a reason. Having had my mouth burned several times [I am a slow learner, I guess] when I thought their coffee had cooled long enough or had enough ice added to it, I'd have to agree it was too hot for safe handling. I am sure they were going on some food science estimate of how to make the best coffee and not medical results of having it spilled in what is common usage of the cups - especially in vintage Mercedes that don't have cup holders. Too bad they didn't just borrow Dunkin' Donuts coffee plan - they have GOOD coffee, though I can't get near the donuts. McD's cooled it down to where it will not cause permanent damage and the need for skin grafts when it comes in contact with human skin. Not really a bad idea, and though it probably does result in a slightly less flavorful coffee I do think it is something they should have figured out on their own. I sure can't tell as I don't get it anymore, and I drink the same pot for 3 days at home so such subtleties are lost on me. As a society we do need a better middle ground between suing everyone for anything and letting producers who cause harm be held blameless. It is a lousy system, except for all the rest. Personally I'd be in favor of charging the person bringing the suit - and their attorney - with the cost of all litigation that got into a 'nuisance' category, except you'd never get legislation passed as to what that threshold was. BillR Gerry wrote: It looks like Bill hit the nail on the head. Here is an attorneys defense of such cases from another list, and then a physicians explanation of the MacDonalds case: The fact that these cases are conceivable to people may simply be a reflection that people have been fed a nonstop propaganda diet that plaintiff's lawyers get rich on frivolous lawsuits. Corporations have a vested interest in having people believe that and excellent public relations departments to put out the propaganda. Here's the reality: While there are a few superstars who do indeed make millions, the average lawyer makes about $50,000 a year. That's not minimum wage but neither is it winning the lottery. The procedural rules largely favor corporate defendants. In fact, the procedural rules so heavily favor corporate defendants that corporate defendants win almost all of the time, even when they've behaved abominably. The reason the famous McDonald's coffee case makes headlines is that it is so rare for a corporate giant to lose big that when it does happen, it's newsworthy. Think about it for a minute: If corporate defendants were really losing as many frivolous lawsuits as their propagandists would have you believe, you'd never hear about it because stuff that happens all the time isn't newsworthy. About those punitive damages: They're necessary, for two reasons. In the first place, if I'm a badly-behaving corporate defendant, I know that if I get sued I'm probably going to win because the procedural rules are stacked so heavily in my favor. However, if I do lose, and there aren't punitives, then I'm no worse off than I would have been had I behaved well in the first place. So by behaving badly, I can profit most of the time because most of the time there will be no penalty at all, and on those rare occasions when I lose, I'll just break even. The only financial motivation I have to behave well is the possibility that some ticked off jury may award punitives. Second, lawyers who serve the poor, who can't afford to pay by the hour, have to eat and pay their bills. The only way they can do so is if at least occasionally a case walks in the door that pays a large enough windfall to keep them in business for the majority of clients from whom they'll make a little bit of money but not that much. If I happen to be a plaintiff's lawyer, that million dollar once-in-a-lifetime fee that I make off the McDonalds coffee case allows me to handle all those penny-ante slip and fall cases for which I'll make $1000 in fees for a case that was open for six months. There are two sides to every story and if I wanted to, I could tell you the corporate defendant side too. And candidly, I do think the country would be better off with half as many law schools and twice as many medical schools. But when rich corporations talk about evil plaintiffs' lawyers, consider the source. The coffee case was legit: http://www.caoc.com/CA/index.cfm?event=showPagepg=facts A vascular surgeon determined that Liebeck suffered full thickness burns (or third-degree burns) over 6 percent of her body, including her inner
Re: [MBZ] (NE) Customer Complaint - Store 3212
Here is what I have taken to doing when I have an unsatisfactory customer experience. Do a web search for Autozone, get their HQ info, phone number then look up their 10k filings and get the name of the top marketing or customer-oriented person (like a VP or SVP of something customer-sounding). Then call him/her up. You will likely get his/her moat dragon, but very nicely explain what happened, you think they need to know that, you are a loyal customer of nn years and want to keep being so but under the circumstances there is a lot of competition blahblah, you doubt if that is the way s/he likes to see the company perform, and ohbytheway, I would really like him/her to call me or can we set a time for a phone call and explain how that could happen and what might be done about it. You will likely get a call within 24 hr from a regional mgr or someone like that, on whom the sh*t landed, and then again very nicely you can explain and tell them what you want. Then call the original back and tell them what happened and if you are satisfied or not, close the loop. I had a problem with a rather large multi-state bank a year or so ago, called HQ, asked for the VP of something by name, it was kinda late in the day and he actually answered the phone himself. I went through the whole issue, nicely, explaining I was a customer, trying to continue being so, but they were making it really hard for me to do that --- next morning 8:30 the local biggest branch VP or something called me, set up a time, I went there, they were very nice, took care of business, called me a couple days later to make sure I was happy. --R Curt Raymond wrote: My reply from Autozone, whoopie doo... -Curt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr. Raymond, We apologize for any lack of satisfaction you received from your recent AutoZone store experience. Your comments have been forwarded to the regional management team in your area, for review. Thank you, E-Commerce Customer Care Center - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Benz cup holders
For some time I have been thinking about making a cup holder to fit in the console thingie, out of some nice wood or something. I got my CNC machine working, so can cut some holes in a piece of nice wood and make some legs for it to stand on in the space, finish it up with some stain/varnish or something. What size would be best to make the hole? Be specific, I can measure various cups myself, but what might y'all like to see? I can measure the 300TD and my buddy's 450SL, might get the boy to measure the 300SD, are other consoles the same dimensions (width specifically)? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (NE) Customer Complaint - Store 3212
Translate- 'Go pound sand in your a..'. Nice response-no gift certificates or anything. I will remember this next time I need auto parts. Dwight Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 8:16 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] (NE) Customer Complaint - Store 3212 My reply from Autozone, whoopie doo... -Curt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr. Raymond, We apologize for any lack of satisfaction you received from your recent AutoZone store experience. Your comments have been forwarded to the regional management team in your area, for review. Thank you, E-Commerce Customer Care Center - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM617 cold start procedure
Yes, that is how I have started my 240D for the past five years. I don't hold it down all the way. On the 300D 2.5 I just look at the glow plug light and it fires right off-we will see tomorrow-should be about 8 or 9F here. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 215K miles. 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles (FOR SALE) 1990 300D 2.5t 150K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 5:16 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM617 cold start procedure I thought it was pedal to the floor 2-3 times (to ensure the IP is off the stop) then hold at 1/2 throttle until it starts... Thats what I always did with my 240D. With the 190D I give just a hint of pressure on the throttle and it goes a treat. -Curt Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 16:02:14 -0500 From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] OM617 cold start procedure To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This morning, the 300D was cold-soaked to to about 5 degrees (F). M1 15W-50 oil. Glowed twice, and tried to start following the procedure: throttle to the floor, and don't stop cranking until the battery dies. After about 20 - 30 seconds the starter seemed to be turning slightly faster but still no hint of firing. I released the throttle to just slightly more than idle and it immediately began to fire sporadically. A few more seconds and it was firing steadily. I've never had luck with the throttle to the floor part of the cold start process, anyone else have similar experience? Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Benz cup holders
All of my consoles are different widths - I have one travel mug with a wide bottom that is a bit loose in the 126, just right in the 107, tight, but can be crammed into the 124, and too big for the 123. My other travel mug, made for current American cars, is 2 1/2 in diameter at the bottom. The wide bottomed mug is 5 dia. I can measure the consoles tomorrow. On Jan 2, 2008 7:36 PM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For some time I have been thinking about making a cup holder to fit in the console thingie, out of some nice wood or something. I got my CNC machine working, so can cut some holes in a piece of nice wood and make some legs for it to stand on in the space, finish it up with some stain/varnish or something. What size would be best to make the hole? Be specific, I can measure various cups myself, but what might y'all like to see? I can measure the 300TD and my buddy's 450SL, might get the boy to measure the 300SD, are other consoles the same dimensions (width specifically)? --R -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (NE) Customer Complaint - Store 3212
Trust me on this one, Curt. I've worked at a retail chain store (Pamida). You would not realize it from the automated reply you received but the District Manager will be showing your input to the local Store Manager and asking for an explanation. Debbie and I once emailed corporate office of a restaurant chain because of a bad experience. We received an autoreply email but then a phone call -- apologizing -- from the restaurant's manager, and then coupons for free meals came by mail. On Jan 2, 2008 7:15 PM, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My reply from Autozone, whoopie doo... -Curt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr. Raymond, We apologize for any lack of satisfaction you received from your recent AutoZone store experience. Your comments have been forwarded to the regional management team in your area, for review. Thank you, E-Commerce Customer Care Center - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Smart=stupid
It has to be considered that these are new cars from the ground up and as such will have problems, the early A classes are pretty much the same. Of course some cars are good right from the get up and go but these generally are using technology proven in previous 'similar' models. andrew strasfogel wrote: Could this be a plant by someone from a competing brand? We testdrove the Smart Fourtwo and a Smart diesel cabriolet and they were both great for what we wanted them to accomplish (urban-only commuting and puttering). On Jan 1, 2008 5:12 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (NE) Customer Complaint - Store 3212
I got almost exactly the same reply from Advance Auto. Never heard any more. Gerry - - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] My reply from Autozone, whoopie doo... -Curt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr. Raymond, We apologize for any lack of satisfaction you received from your recent AutoZone store experience. Your comments have been forwarded to the regional management team in your area, for review. Thank you, E-Commerce Customer Care Center ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (NE) Customer Complaint - Store 3212
And yet you continue to give them your business? On Jan 2, 2008 8:06 PM, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got almost exactly the same reply from Advance Auto. Never heard any more. Gerry -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OU stinking up the tostitos again!
someone explain to me again how bob stupes is just so great? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Cheap generator
Well heck if I'm converting a bike why not make it generate electricty? Know that a human is good for considerably less than 1HP, let's say 500W for Conan. So if you're planning to suck from 50-500W out of the rig that might be OK. There was a stationary bicycle hooked up at the hands-on science place when I was a kid, it lit a succession of auto headlamps. It was hard. Very hard. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (NE) Customer Complaint - Store 3212
From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] And yet you continue to give them your business? On Jan 2, 2008 8:06 PM, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got almost exactly the same reply from Advance Auto. Never heard any more. Gerry - No, what little I do with FLAPS is with Autozone since I've known the manager there for years and he straightens out problems for me. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM617 cold start procedure
I'm pretty sure most of them have a start linkage in the IP's governor that you set by flooring and releasing the pedal at zero rpm. Still, after 300,000 miles, sometimes it helps to give it a tiny bit of pedal too. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Cheap generator
Jim Cathey wrote: Well heck if I'm converting a bike why not make it generate electricty? Know that a human is good for considerably less than 1HP, Good point. An olympic sprinter might hit 1500W. When I rode 200 miles a week, and could take off in the morning and put in 100 miles before noon, I could flash yield about 600W for a few seconds. That was when my max heart rate was 214 and resting was 45. I could also go 35mph for a mile or two. Now I can sustain 16mph for a few miles. If I could sustain 100W for long enough to charge a battery today I'd be surprised. BTW, when I was in college, I used to try to get mopeds and scooters to race me. They were usually going full throttle anyway. A quick no-ped like a Honda Express might do 28mph on the flat, and half that uphill. Boy was it fun to follow one of those 50cc toys then blast past it on a hill. I remember the day I met my first Honda Aero 50 scooter. We met at a red light. I was expecting it to go like a Spree. I got the lead, he quickly caught me. I gave it everything I had, 35, 36, 37mph, and he was right beside me. (probably pacing me at 90% throttle) Next red light was about a mile away. We turned to each other, and said almost in unison I didn't know those things could go that fast!. Looking back on it, I'm amazed I could still talk at that point. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: 75mpg Hybrid Opel GT
I've often thought that something like this would make a great vehicle for a rural mail or newspaper carrier. You don't need a lot of petro power if you regenerate on braking. http://tinyurl.com/256ox5 http://tinyurl.com/2m4kk2 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
