[MBZ] CHEAP 1986 300SDL 245Kmi $2K!
I spotted this one on Portland CL today. http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/852814826.htmll This seems like it COULD be a good deal. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CHEAP 1986 300SDL 245Kmi $2K!
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:38 AM, Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I spotted this one on Portland CL today. http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/852814826.htmll This seems like it COULD be a good deal. And here's a parts car to match: http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/pts/844420366.html Boy would I get in trouble if I brought those home! Actually I was really surprised to see the one Kevin posted for $2K. It makes sense that with biodiesel at $5+ per gallon, the market for old diesels would be softening a little, but not that much, surely. (Although it was always 123s more than any other chassis that seemed to command the really high prices here in the PNW.) I was thinking about selling my '87, but seeing this SDL, I'll probably fix it up a little and wait a few months---if all I could get for it right now is $2K I'm in no hurry to put it on the market. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo, '86 300E, et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - moisture in air - USCG
I appreciate hearing it. My son-in-law [Chief Petty Officer, USCG Station Valdez AK] is also the sort you describe. His greatest joy at this point [professionally, anyway - he is the father of my 1 YO granddaughter and is married to my daughter] is being able to train folks just getting into the USCG so that they learn to do things right. I've seen The Guardian a few times, also. Good movie. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 9:13 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - moisture in air Yes (and answering your following email) -- they are Aircrew Wings. Navy and Coast Guard and (I think) Marines share the same badge. In some ways, they are more valued in the Coast Guard than pilot wings. Pilots did six years and went to the airlines -- aircrew folks often hung around for a career. They are enlisted air crew wings, very special and not easy to earn. It means that you have qualified to fly alone (without an instructor) in the airframe and can do the job for which you are qualified. You have to lose the USAF mindset, Wilton, to understand the following. In the Coast Guard, officers fly the planes. Everything (EVERYTHING) aft of the pilot and co-pilot are enlisted crew. We kept the plane in the air and the pilots pointed it through the sky. I felt a special bond between the officers and enlisted in the Coast Guard, because the pilots knew that the guys sitting aft of them had the same live to fly again investment in the airframe. I flew as navigator, which I think is an officer position in the USAF. I did it as an E2 (University graduate) and was our air station's primary nav instructor and check-ride-guy when I went off to OCS as an E6 (three years later). If I didn't think they had the right stuff, I sent them back for additional training, and no officer ever questioned my decision. ... If I said they were ready, the pilots knew this guy could navigate them to hell and back (all flights over the ocean), using Loran-A, Loran-C, or (in the event of a power failure) find the closest point of land with DR and a compass. To be honest, I was a total prick on check rides -- but I wanted my guys to always come home alive. I wasn't always popular with my students, but I knew when they went off on their first patrol alone, they could bring the bird home no matter what happened. And no one, after earning their wings, ever had a bad word to say about me (to my face), other than a thank you later. Here is what makes the Coast Guard unique, even from the Navy. In the Navy, some folks fix planes and some folks fly. Coast Guard doesn't do that. As an avionics tech, I fixed the equipment and then climbed into the airframe each day and headed offshore for a patrol. Everyone did. We had NO guys who didn't fix and fly. If you have an aviation specialty, you are air crew or you go to a boat (and get a new rating). The same guys who did the mechanics (including engine changes) flew as flight mechanic (in the USAF known as flight engineer). I was the ONLY guy at the CGAS who calibrated the RADALTs. Our mission was flying 50 feet on the RADALT making passes on fishing boats. Guess who died if I got lazy and was +/- 15 feet on the calibration? I was also the guy who calibrated the ILS boxes. How important is that? I never worried when we had to do an ILS approach, because I knew we were spot-on on the instruments. If not, _I_ as the guy who died. I was the last guy at CGAS Cape Cod to be dual-qualified in the Goat as nav/radio AND flight engineer. Took a bit of persuasion to get the wrench-turners to qualify me as a nose-picker. There was not a lot of love lost between the avionics guys and the mechanics. We needed a much higher ASVAB score to even get into school and were seen by them as somewhat elitist. Fortunately, I don't mind getting oil on my hands. I like to think I earned their trust by my professionalism. Truth is, I pestered the hell out of the E9 until he gave in and let me get qualified. USCG Aviation is a unique breed. We flew hard, we were professional, we did good, and we partied hard. If you saw the movie The Guardians -- that movie is 100% accurate of Coast Guard aviation. Ok, for everyone except Wilton, I apologize for my verbose post. Wilton will understand. D. On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 7:33 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: BTW, the only thing I get to come up on the military.esptgear site is the photo of gold wings. What are they, Navy enlisted aircrew wings? Wilton -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] appliance comments
There was a lot of appliance related traffic on here a few months ago, and I think the general opinion was that most stuff bought now would not last like that old Maytag of yours. We ended up getting rid of a perfectly functioning 25 YO refrigerator that we didn't need a few years ago. The new one we got last year has needed two service calls, and the washer/dryer we bought three years ago has had three service calls. I don't trust either of them. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 9:41 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 34, Issue 126 There's a HELL of a lot of water in a load of laundry. We dry on racks when time and conditions allow. So how's that worse than venting the dryer inside? With my Fisher and Paykel, I had picked that out as our next washer, to replace the 40yo Kenmore. (Well over 30, anyway.) So my wife bought the cheapie Maytag at Costco. I swear it makes more distressed noises than the one it replaced. It has a few plusses: a metal lid and a mechanical timer. Just like the one it replaced. Feels a lot cheaper, though. No way it'll last 40 years. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone want a nice 300SD
Dan Weeks wrote: I assumed that it was the $2k 300SD I'd seen in the classifieds over the weekend, and that he'd just bought it. So, it sounds a bit weird all around, but it was a brief conversation and maybe I misunderstood. The car DID look very nice, and that's a great price. Maybe he's owned it long enough to find out it doesn't get 40mpg and wants his $2k back. Maybe Debbie Wonko wants it. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT was what about you, now Washer Lint
harry watkins wrote: I plumbed my house for both black and gray sewage. Every time I see mention of black vs gray, I think If I were starting a mercenary outfit, I'd name it anything BUT Blackwater. Who in their right mind names a company after human refuse? (OTOH, maybe it's accurately descriptive of their staff) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D diff continued
Curses! --- On Tue, 9/23/08, Frederick W Moir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Frederick W Moir [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D diff continued To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 5:14 PM Curt, et al. The 201 diff. bolts to the sub-frame, no mounts. Fred Moir Lynn MA 300TD 190DT Bent 190DT Blue At 04:24 PM 9/23/2008, you wrote: Interesting, I seem to remember that also. How big a deal is the mount to do? I'm putting together my next parts order right now anyway. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] JEA Rates in JAX
Bill R, Spoke to my Friends in Mayport last night..no increase in their electric bill (this month), although they did mention that JEA was granted a 17% rate increase this year, as they had the cheapest electric in Florida. Don't know if you're seeing any of that, yet. Later, Angelo Giaimo/Fishkill/IBM @ IBMUS Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (845)894-4296 (tie 533); fax: 892-6235 (tie 532); 2070 Rt. 52; Hopewell Junction, N.Y. 12533 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D diff continued
--- On Tue, 9/23/08, Frederick W Moir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The 201 diff. bolts to the sub-frame, no mounts. Curt Raymond wrote: Curses! Why? Because you wanted to buy rubber diff mounts and the tools to press out the old and press in the new? Or because you hoped that the noise was caused by bad mounts? I'm thinking it's possible the noise could be caused by loose bolts, but I don't think it's likely. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diff noise
My plan right now is essentially to drive it until it gets worse. I'm going to try Mobil 1 gear oil in the diff with the knowledge that it won't make any difference other than perhaps psychological... If/when it gets worse I'll see about having it rebuilt I think. -Curt Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:38:12 -0500 From: Dan Weeks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Diff noise To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Sep 23, 2008, at 3:15 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I got my 190D back, the diff bearing is still making noise The diff on my 82 300SD has been making noise for the 55k miles I've been driving it. It's never gotten any worse, so I've stopped worrying about it. Dan 82 300SD, 310k ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Tractors
For more on International TD TracTractors see http://www.kingofobsolete.ca/ --- On Tue, 9/23/08, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Tractors To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 9:39 PM cool! I always thought an MD would be fun Our original '39 H started on gas then ran on kerosene. The WWII vintage TD series crawlers are interesting too. For a while IH had a TD that was bigger than any caterpillar product. At 03:23 PM 9/23/2008, you wrote: Speaking of which I got to see a Farmall Super MD on Sunday, it was running a shingle mill. The MDs all started on gas and when the engine warmed up could switch over to diesel. Its pretty amazing to see in action. That shingle mill was from the 1890s and was pretty much all the Super MD could handle. In its time that was considered a pretty big tractor too. Nothing compared to a steam tractor though. -Curt Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:02:42 -0500 From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Washing machines; was: Mercedes Digest, Vol 34, Issue 126 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed The washers built 40 years ago with blackmore or blackwell (or something like that) designed guts had a spin cycle like a commercial laundry extractor (centrifuge). They would wind up and whine like a banshee, but stuff came out pretty dry. They were deemed unsafe by our consumer watchdogs. I prefer to think of things labelled unsafe as Darwinian selection devices. Part of our society's problems have been caused by coddling the people stupid enough to burn themselves with fast food coffee, etc. Or at least not self-sufficient enough to deal with the consequences of their actions. Tricycle tractors come to mind. An International H or Super C is a wonderful device, as long as you respect it. Slip up, and it will kill ya! I have logged lotsa hours on H and A tractors I love em. An H will spin on a dime and give back change. At 12:30 PM 9/23/2008, you wrote: Dan Weeks wrote: I did that one winter also. NOT a good idea. lots of moisture on the windows, stuff got mildewed, etc. There's a HELL of a lot of water in a load of laundry. If you're going to keep that water indoors, get yourself some wooden drying racks and quit running the dryer. Then, instead of covering the walls, doors, windows with water, the clothes will release the water as the air can handle it. Also, the amount of water depends on the spin speed of the washer. With my Fisher and Paykel, I can wash my heavy winter coat and air dry it on the rack in a few hours. With a 40 year old Kenmore, the coat would drip water on the floor if I hung it up straight from the washer. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D diff continued
I was hoping the noise was, well its probably not caused by a bad mount but I was hoping a bad mount was allowing the noise to transmit into the car. I will check for loose bolts but it seems like it might move around if that were the case, the car drives fine other than being a little (annoyingly) extra noisy. -Curt --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D diff continued To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 8:38 AM --- On Tue, 9/23/08, Frederick W Moir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The 201 diff. bolts to the sub-frame, no mounts. Curt Raymond wrote: Curses! Why? Because you wanted to buy rubber diff mounts and the tools to press out the old and press in the new? Or because you hoped that the noise was caused by bad mounts? I'm thinking it's possible the noise could be caused by loose bolts, but I don't think it's likely. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: Laundry appliances
I'd never heard of Fisher and Paykel. I'm also surprised to note they're available local to me. Does anybody have experience with Staber washers? At some point we'll need to replace the little combo unit my house came with at which point I want to buy something really good... -Curt Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:40:49 -0700 From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 34, Issue 126 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed There's a HELL of a lot of water in a load of laundry. We dry on racks when time and conditions allow. So how's that worse than venting the dryer inside? With my Fisher and Paykel, I had picked that out as our next washer, to replace the 40yo Kenmore. (Well over 30, anyway.) So my wife bought the cheapie Maytag at Costco. I swear it makes more distressed noises than the one it replaced. It has a few plusses: a metal lid and a mechanical timer. Just like the one it replaced. Feels a lot cheaper, though. No way it'll last 40 years. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT was what about you, now Washer Lint
Glad that works for you. If you got caught doing that in my corner of Oz
{Connecticut}, you'd have a serious problem with the tree huggers.
Heck, it's illegal to dump your sump pump on the lawn here!
Pete
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If you really won't lint, strain the washer water.
I plumbed my house for both black and gray sewage. The black goes directly
to the septic plant. The gray goes to a settlement barrel, then to a 55
gallon barrel with a float operated pump.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Laundry appliances
Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Does anybody have experience with Staber washers? At some point we'll need to replace the little combo unit my house came with at which point I want to buy something really good... They have sort of a cult following in the off the grid crowd, maybe you can run them on DC or something. They purport to be built well, easy to maintain (grease fittings on the bearings, etc) but when I checked into them I found that the capacity was far too small for my household. I think they are about 2 cf. Might be OK in a small condo like you say. They have a horizontal wash drum but load from the top, not the front. Their dealer network seemed a bit odd, seems to be something people get involved with as a side business. I was wondering if it was some sort of multi-level scheme but never dug deep enough to find out either way. Allan -- 1983 300D (for sale) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] appliance comments
I'd recommend buying the service plans when buying new appliances. No they are not built as well as they used to be. Douglas - Original Message - From: Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 4:15 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] appliance comments There was a lot of appliance related traffic on here a few months ago, and I think the general opinion was that most stuff bought now would not last like that old Maytag of yours. We ended up getting rid of a perfectly functioning 25 YO refrigerator that we didn't need a few years ago. The new one we got last year has needed two service calls, and the washer/dryer we bought three years ago has had three service calls. I don't trust either of them. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 9:41 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 34, Issue 126 There's a HELL of a lot of water in a load of laundry. We dry on racks when time and conditions allow. So how's that worse than venting the dryer inside? With my Fisher and Paykel, I had picked that out as our next washer, to replace the 40yo Kenmore. (Well over 30, anyway.) So my wife bought the cheapie Maytag at Costco. I swear it makes more distressed noises than the one it replaced. It has a few plusses: a metal lid and a mechanical timer. Just like the one it replaced. Feels a lot cheaper, though. No way it'll last 40 years. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] appliance comments
Douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I'd recommend buying the service plans when buying new appliances. No they are not built as well as they used to be. Just remember that service plans are essentially insurance: a bet between you and the plan provider that the appliance will or will not need major work during the term of the plan. Guess who has the statistics on their side? Also be very careful to read the fine print, often the most common things that will need service are called normal wear items and are not covered (gaskets, seals, etc). Allan -- 1983 300D (for sale) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Laundry appliances
Curt Raymond wrote: I'd never heard of Fisher and Paykel. I'm also surprised to note they're available local to me. Does anybody have experience with Staber washers? At some point we'll need to replace the little combo unit my house came with at which point I want to buy something really good... I was thinking of Staber (~1200) or Speed Queen (~1400) six years ago, then I found out I could get the FisherPaykel right here in my small town for $650. I could look at a Speed Queen at any laundromat, and there were a couple of dealers within 100 miles, but I didn't know of any way to look at a Staber without driving to the factory in Ohio. If FP hadn't been much cheaper than the other high efficiency washers at the time, I would have gone to the Staber factory. Due to low production numbers and a desire for user serviceability, Staber uses a lot of off the shelf parts that you can buy from McMaster Carr and similar suppliers. The DC powered Stabers are very popular with the folks who decide they'd rather pay $40,000 for a solar system than $60,000 to have a power line run up to their mountain retreat. Still wouldn't want to buy one without seeing it in person first. Mitch ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Laundry appliances
We have LG front loaders (2years now), SWMBO is very happy with them. They have huge capacity which ultimately reduces water and energy usage. Converting the gas dryer to propane was a major P.I.A., as compared to normal 10 minute job. Pete ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RE Venting clothes drier (dryer) inside
Last year we put a pot of water on the woodstove more than we didn't, I figure at least some of the humidity would be welcome. I was thinking what I really need is a 3 way valve so I can sometimes vent the dryer inside when its very cold and outside when we've got too much moisture. Now I'm thinking since I use a 6 plastic pipe as a vent maybe I could just put maybe a 2 pipe in it with a valve which, when open would allow warm moist air into the house. The problem with that of course is cold air leaking in when the dryer isn't running. -Curt Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 21:49:07 -0500 From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] RE Venting clothes drier (dryer) inside To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I tried this once, almost thirty years ago - built a box out of three A/C filters, aluminum sheets (top and bottom) and duct tape. There was way too much moisture in the house, and fine lint did pass through the filters. Of course, it was too dry without it -- On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 5:37 PM, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder about using some sort of housing with either an air filter out of a car or out of a shop vacuum? I sort of wonder if the dust needs to be taken down to a small level - 1 micron? Maybe use the stocking first and then the filter to keep the filter cleaner longer? Or, one might be able to use the material that they use for shop dust collectors and make some sort of bag. Wouldn't want to reduce the flow from the machine or it will take longer to dry. Have to be a bit careful with the humidity here in the colder areas too - maybe feed it into an HRV that periodically defrosts itself. Randy -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] no gas in georgia
my zip code says i live in lilburn, GA, but i don't live in lilburn any more than i live in snellville (probably even less so), lawrenceville or stone mountain. the name traditionally given to the area is five forks, which today really amount to just a relatively small cluster of strip malls, gas stations and fast food joints. there are 4 gas stations: Quicktrip, shell, chevron and kroger. only the kroger has gas and there is a huge line to get some. the rest are all dry. when a station gets fuel, they can sell it for about 4.50 a gallon and they sell every drop. my understanding is that this is the case is much of georgia and the southeast. i'm told this has something to do with it having rained in houston. am i being manipulated and defrauded here? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] no gas in georgia
Drove up to NC over the weekend, lots of stations out of gas up that way, prices about $4 or a bit less. One place I stopped the pump was running so slowly I finally just left after about 15 min with only a partial tank -- must be their way of rationing. In Charleston area, prices are down a bit from that, but still higher than a week or 2 ago before Ike. Apparently there are issues related to refineries and pipelines and whatnot, not sure I believe that as a lot of the east coast is imported? --R Gary Hurst wrote: my zip code says i live in lilburn, GA, but i don't live in lilburn any more than i live in snellville (probably even less so), lawrenceville or stone mountain. the name traditionally given to the area is five forks, which today really amount to just a relatively small cluster of strip malls, gas stations and fast food joints. there are 4 gas stations: Quicktrip, shell, chevron and kroger. only the kroger has gas and there is a huge line to get some. the rest are all dry. when a station gets fuel, they can sell it for about 4.50 a gallon and they sell every drop. my understanding is that this is the case is much of georgia and the southeast. i'm told this has something to do with it having rained in houston. am i being manipulated and defrauded here? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] appliance comments
I' thinking a good bit of the profit these days is in those contracts, though if mine are any indication they aer costing the company quite a bit also. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Douglas Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 9:11 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] appliance comments I'd recommend buying the service plans when buying new appliances. No they are not built as well as they used to be. Douglas - Original Message - From: Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 4:15 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] appliance comments There was a lot of appliance related traffic on here a few months ago, and I think the general opinion was that most stuff bought now would not last like that old Maytag of yours. We ended up getting rid of a perfectly functioning 25 YO refrigerator that we didn't need a few years ago. The new one we got last year has needed two service calls, and the washer/dryer we bought three years ago has had three service calls. I don't trust either of them. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 9:41 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 34, Issue 126 There's a HELL of a lot of water in a load of laundry. We dry on racks when time and conditions allow. So how's that worse than venting the dryer inside? With my Fisher and Paykel, I had picked that out as our next washer, to replace the 40yo Kenmore. (Well over 30, anyway.) So my wife bought the cheapie Maytag at Costco. I swear it makes more distressed noises than the one it replaced. It has a few plusses: a metal lid and a mechanical timer. Just like the one it replaced. Feels a lot cheaper, though. No way it'll last 40 years. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] JEA Rates in JAX
Our actual electric bill has not changed, but they are adding a significant 'energy surcharge' - over $100 - to our bill. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ANGELO GIAIMO Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 8:28 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] JEA Rates in JAX Bill R, Spoke to my Friends in Mayport last night..no increase in their electric bill (this month), although they did mention that JEA was granted a 17% rate increase this year, as they had the cheapest electric in Florida. Don't know if you're seeing any of that, yet. Later, Angelo Giaimo/Fishkill/IBM @ IBMUS Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (845)894-4296 (tie 533); fax: 892-6235 (tie 532); 2070 Rt. 52; Hopewell Junction, N.Y. 12533 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Venting clothes drier (dryer) inside
** Been doing this for over 50 years. I have a T fitting and I use a couple nylon stockings (one inside each other) for a filter. In the Summer (or if I'm drying towels with lots of moisture) I sometimes block the vent and redirect the flow outside. But I'll be darn if I will throw 2500 watts of heat outside in the Winter. Walt Lasher W140 S350 Diesel Seattle -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 1616 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20080924/bf6f0167/attachment.bin ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] no gas in georgia
Have not seen a problem here in Jacksonville. Lots of the stuff comes in here, and we do have a couple of multi-million gallon storage tanks here. A lot closer than TX to GA and Savanna. Could be a problem with existing contracts and with greedy folks. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 10:25 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] no gas in georgia Drove up to NC over the weekend, lots of stations out of gas up that way, prices about $4 or a bit less. One place I stopped the pump was running so slowly I finally just left after about 15 min with only a partial tank -- must be their way of rationing. In Charleston area, prices are down a bit from that, but still higher than a week or 2 ago before Ike. Apparently there are issues related to refineries and pipelines and whatnot, not sure I believe that as a lot of the east coast is imported? --R Gary Hurst wrote: my zip code says i live in lilburn, GA, but i don't live in lilburn any more than i live in snellville (probably even less so), lawrenceville or stone mountain. the name traditionally given to the area is five forks, which today really amount to just a relatively small cluster of strip malls, gas stations and fast food joints. there are 4 gas stations: Quicktrip, shell, chevron and kroger. only the kroger has gas and there is a huge line to get some. the rest are all dry. when a station gets fuel, they can sell it for about 4.50 a gallon and they sell every drop. my understanding is that this is the case is much of georgia and the southeast. i'm told this has something to do with it having rained in houston. am i being manipulated and defrauded here? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D diff continued
Curt, et al. My white, now bent, 190DT has a slight whine when coasting, Mobil1 85W90 made it noisier at first then slowly the noise went away, about 6-8 months. The rear end, being all of a piece, noises may appear to be diff. related including wheel bearings. My $0.02 Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesels three At 08:50 AM 9/24/2008, you wrote: I was hoping the noise was, well its probably not caused by a bad mount but I was hoping a bad mount was allowing the noise to transmit into the car. I will check for loose bolts but it seems like it might move around if that were the case, the car drives fine other than being a little (annoyingly) extra noisy. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 408 Camper
A VW is no MBZ and I will never own another water cooled VW in my life if I can help it. -Rolf Allan Streib wrote: $12,000 for a VW Westy turbodiesel? I thought they were at least twice that if in decent condition. Especially for a turbodiesel conversion. Allan -- 1983 300D (for sale) On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 07:24:55 -0500, Dan Weeks [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Sep 21, 2008, at 9:37 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://hartford.craigslist.org/rvs/841393191.html I need a cold shower. -Rolf Rolf: For that money, you can get a nice VW Westfalia turbodiesel camper that will get 27 mpg and go 70, as opposed to 55. Also sleeps four, and drives like a comparative sports car. But those 408s are cool and very roomy, and Westy interiors are the best there is for both design (use of space) and quality, no matter what they're installed in. Dan 82 Vanagon TD 83 Vanagon I-4 conversion 300SD 300TE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D diff continued
I'm thinking it's possible the noise could be caused by loose bolts, but I don't think it's likely. On the now-sold Albatross (79 240D rear-window bug-killer) the diff was very noisy. I didn't have time to do more than replace it with the one from the parts car, but I'm fairly certain that I could have made a positive effect by tightening the pinion bearing. The preload was much too loose when I had it out sitting beside the replacement. Whined like an old bus, but probably would have lasted for decades that way. That kind of pinion noise is variable, changing the loading on the drivetrain made it come and go. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] no gas in georgia
Our pipeline comes directly from the Houston area to the south Fort Smith area. Gas prices jumped about $0.50/gal (diesel DROPPED $0.11/gal) and have since dropped about $0.20/gal. My guess is you're being had. Luther Gary Hurst wrote: my zip code says i live in lilburn, GA, but i don't live in lilburn any more than i live in snellville (probably even less so), lawrenceville or stone mountain. the name traditionally given to the area is five forks, which today really amount to just a relatively small cluster of strip malls, gas stations and fast food joints. there are 4 gas stations: Quicktrip, shell, chevron and kroger. only the kroger has gas and there is a huge line to get some. the rest are all dry. when a station gets fuel, they can sell it for about 4.50 a gallon and they sell every drop. my understanding is that this is the case is much of georgia and the southeast. i'm told this has something to do with it having rained in houston. am i being manipulated and defrauded here? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RE Venting clothes drier (dryer) inside
I was thinking what I really need is a 3 way valve Dryer vents have flaps to keep out the critters and the drafts. Tee one on the inside too, and pin the flap you don't want to use. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D diff continued
Mine sounds exactly like an old bus... It doesn't seem to change with loading but it gets very quiet below about 40mph, barely noticable around town. -Curt --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D diff continued To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 10:57 AM I'm thinking it's possible the noise could be caused by loose bolts, but I don't think it's likely. On the now-sold Albatross (79 240D rear-window bug-killer) the diff was very noisy. I didn't have time to do more than replace it with the one from the parts car, but I'm fairly certain that I could have made a positive effect by tightening the pinion bearing. The preload was much too loose when I had it out sitting beside the replacement. Whined like an old bus, but probably would have lasted for decades that way. That kind of pinion noise is variable, changing the loading on the drivetrain made it come and go. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Electric rates
I got an electric bill yesterday ($44) and noted that our rate is $0.117. How does that compare with elsewhere? Of course its not the electric they get you with, its the other fees... -Curt Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 08:27:55 -0400 From: ANGELO GIAIMO [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] JEA Rates in JAX To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Bill R, Spoke to my Friends in Mayport last night..no increase in their electric bill (this month), although they did mention that JEA was granted a 17% rate increase this year, as they had the cheapest electric in Florida. Don't know if you're seeing any of that, yet. Later, Angelo Giaimo/Fishkill/IBM @ IBMUS Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (845)894-4296 (tie 533); fax: 892-6235 (tie 532); 2070 Rt. 52; Hopewell Junction, N.Y. 12533 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] no gas in georgia
I'd have to say so, gas and diesel both went down $0.04 last night here in MA... -Curt Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:08:39 -0400 From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] no gas in georgia To: Banned List [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 my zip code says i live in lilburn, GA, but i don't live in lilburn any more than i live in snellville (probably even less so), lawrenceville or stone mountain. the name traditionally given to the area is five forks, which today really amount to just a relatively small cluster of strip malls, gas stations and fast food joints. there are 4 gas stations: Quicktrip, shell, chevron and kroger. only the kroger has gas and there is a huge line to get some. the rest are all dry. when a station gets fuel, they can sell it for about 4.50 a gallon and they sell every drop. my understanding is that this is the case is much of georgia and the southeast. i'm told this has something to do with it having rained in houston. am i being manipulated and defrauded here? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RE Venting clothes drier (dryer) inside
We've got the flapper but it doesn't seem to work all that well, the pipe inside gets mighty cold. I wrapped the pipe with insulation last winter... Thats why I'm thinking a 3way valve (think ball valve with 2 output positions, like the exhaust cutouts you can buy in JC Whitney) would be the trick, it cuts over to the other output without allowing backfeed from the outside. Otherwise I could of course just manually move the pipe around and stuff a plug into the pipe leading outside... -Curt --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] RE Venting clothes drier (dryer) inside To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 11:00 AM I was thinking what I really need is a 3 way valve Dryer vents have flaps to keep out the critters and the drafts. Tee one on the inside too, and pin the flap you don't want to use. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diff noise
Remember to remove the fill plug first ... and if you can't get the fill plug out DON'T drain it. For some reason, the fill plugs are a lot harder to unscrew in my experience. Scott -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 08:40 To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diff noise My plan right now is essentially to drive it until it gets worse. I'm going to try Mobil 1 gear oil in the diff with the knowledge that it won't make any difference other than perhaps psychological... If/when it gets worse I'll see about having it rebuilt I think. -Curt Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:38:12 -0500 From: Dan Weeks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Diff noise To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Sep 23, 2008, at 3:15 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I got my 190D back, the diff bearing is still making noise The diff on my 82 300SD has been making noise for the 55k miles I've been driving it. It's never gotten any worse, so I've stopped worrying about it. Dan 82 300SD, 310k ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT was what about you, now Washer Lint
Very interesting. I have thought about doing something similar for years. My basic research on the web suggested it was a bad idea and that I would encounter all sorts of trouble with bad things that would grow in the water unless I filtered and chlorinated it etc. That sort of held me back. I planned to pick up water from the showers and re-cycle it to flush the toilets. I still think that if the storage tank was small enough, it would re-cycle soon enough not to be a problem. However the cost of setting the thing up has deterred me as I don't want to do it and then find out it does cause trouble. Our water is cheap enough here that it likely wouldn't pay back for quite a while and would be a fair amount of work. I would need a separate water pressure system for the toilet feeds so would have to have a pump etc. The rest is just basically pipe and time. I thought to use one of the plastic sump pump pits and bury it in the basement floor so it was out of the way. Would need to be set up to drain if too much shower water went in and have some sort of float valve to add fresh water if it ran low. The filter is the major obstacle. Would it be sufficient to just screen it somehow or would I need to do something better? A swimming pool filter might work but it gets complicated if one goes to far. Needs to be simple. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of harry watkins Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 9:15 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] OT was what about you, now Washer Lint If you really won't lint, strain the washer water. I plumbed my house for both black and gray sewage. The black goes directly to the septic plant. The gray goes to a settlement barrel, then to a 55 gallon barrel with a float operated pump. I made a six port manifold that allows gray water to be directed to various places in the yard and discharged through homemade PVC sprinkler heads. The lint caught in a strainer at the 55 gal barrel is more than I ever dreamed. I don't see how clothes last as long as they do. I installed valves that allow me to send gray water to the plant in case something goes wrong with the pumping system. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT was what about you, now Washer Lint
From: harry watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I plumbed my house for both black and gray sewage. The black goes directly
to the septic plant. The gray goes to a settlement barrel, then to a 55
gallon barrel with a float operated pump.
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 6:09 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Glad that works for you. If you got caught doing that in my corner of Oz
{Connecticut}, you'd have a serious problem with the tree huggers.
Heck, it's illegal to dump your sump pump on the lawn here!
Pete
Ridiculous. (The tree huggers in question, not you, Pete.) Gray
water recycling is one of the BEST things you can do for the
environment! It's a crime that it is specifically forbidden in so
many localities---even Portland, Oregon, supposedly a hotbed of green
building.
Alex
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Re: [MBZ] OT was what about you, now Washer Lint
We have lakes in New England that have been fouled by phosphates in runoff. Once over grown with green slime, they become very nasty. I don't want my neighbors Gray Water thank-you. Pete Ridiculous. (The tree huggers in question, not you, Pete.) Gray water recycling is one of the BEST things you can do for the environment! It's a crime that it is specifically forbidden in so many localities---even Portland, Oregon, supposedly a hotbed of green building. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT was what about you, now Washer Lint
That's a problem not with the gray water per se but with the treatment of it. I'm not advocating dumping it right back into the water supply unfiltered! Send it into the ground and let it filter naturally into the water table, a la a septic tank drainfield. On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 10:21 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have lakes in New England that have been fouled by phosphates in runoff. Once over grown with green slime, they become very nasty. I don't want my neighbors Gray Water thank-you. Pete Ridiculous. (The tree huggers in question, not you, Pete.) Gray water recycling is one of the BEST things you can do for the environment! It's a crime that it is specifically forbidden in so many localities---even Portland, Oregon, supposedly a hotbed of green building. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diff noise
Yeah I knew that but thanks for the reminder. It shouldn't be a big challenge to get apart considering my Indy had it apart last week... What size is it? Allen head? Thanks -Curt --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Scott Ritchey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Scott Ritchey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [MBZ] Diff noise To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 12:15 PM Remember to remove the fill plug first ... and if you can't get the fill plug out DON'T drain it. For some reason, the fill plugs are a lot harder to unscrew in my experience. Scott -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 08:40 To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diff noise My plan right now is essentially to drive it until it gets worse. I'm going to try Mobil 1 gear oil in the diff with the knowledge that it won't make any difference other than perhaps psychological... If/when it gets worse I'll see about having it rebuilt I think. -Curt Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:38:12 -0500 From: Dan Weeks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Diff noise To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Sep 23, 2008, at 3:15 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I got my 190D back, the diff bearing is still making noise The diff on my 82 300SD has been making noise for the 55k miles I've been driving it. It's never gotten any worse, so I've stopped worrying about it. Dan 82 300SD, 310k ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D diff continued
Oooh scary. How much gear oil do I need? Curiously its not something I stock at home but have always kept loads of at the farm where the bushhog on the big tractor has a leaky gearbox... -Curt --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Frederick W Moir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Frederick W Moir [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D diff continued To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 10:49 AM Curt, et al. My white, now bent, 190DT has a slight whine when coasting, Mobil1 85W90 made it noisier at first then slowly the noise went away, about 6-8 months. The rear end, being all of a piece, noises may appear to be diff. related including wheel bearings. My $0.02 Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesels three At 08:50 AM 9/24/2008, you wrote: I was hoping the noise was, well its probably not caused by a bad mount but I was hoping a bad mount was allowing the noise to transmit into the car. I will check for loose bolts but it seems like it might move around if that were the case, the car drives fine other than being a little (annoyingly) extra noisy. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Venting clothes drier (dryer) inside
Hi Walt, A t fitting sounds good if I can figure a good way to close off the outside air. It does get cold here in the winter and if I can't find a good/easy way to keep outside air out I'll be more than wasting my time and energy. -Curt Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 07:47:37 -0700 From: Walt Lasher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Venting clothes drier (dryer) inside To: Mercedes List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 ** Been doing this for over 50 years. I have a T fitting and I use a couple nylon stockings (one inside each other) for a filter. In the Summer (or if I'm drying towels with lots of moisture) I sometimes block the vent and redirect the flow outside. But I'll be darn if I will throw 2500 watts of heat outside in the Winter. Walt Lasher W140 S350 Diesel Seattle ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT was what about you, now Washer Lint
It's a damn big problem! Weather you drop it on the ground, water you whacky tobacco or put it in the town sewer. It is all going back to our water supply. We are still befouling our waters with this crap. I have no clue as to the answer, damn site more serious than dryer lint. Pete -- Original message -- From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] That's a problem not with the gray water per se but with the treatment of it. I'm not advocating dumping it right back into the water supply unfiltered! Send it into the ground and let it filter naturally into the water table, a la a septic tank drainfield. On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 10:21 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have lakes in New England that have been fouled by phosphates in runoff. Once over grown with green slime, they become very nasty. I don't want my neighbors Gray Water thank-you. Pete Ridiculous. (The tree huggers in question, not you, Pete.) Gray water recycling is one of the BEST things you can do for the environment! It's a crime that it is specifically forbidden in so many localities---even Portland, Oregon, supposedly a hotbed of green building. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT was what about you, now Washer Lint
Washer water is a problem where ever you send it because of the large amount of lint. I use screen door material on an old dishwasher rack to filter gray water entering the pump drum. I place 3 chlorine tablets under the air gap flow. With only two of us in the house, lint build up on the filter requires service twice a month. I just throw the screen away and put on another pre-cut piece. It's more trouble than I thought it would be. The alliterative is worse, all that lint going into the plant and field drain will cause big time trouble. I have in mind to create something for just the washer water but I don't have a good plan in my head yet. Harry - Original Message - From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT was what about you, now Washer Lint Very interesting. I have thought about doing something similar for years. My basic research on the web suggested it was a bad idea and that I would encounter all sorts of trouble with bad things that would grow in the water unless I filtered and chlorinated it etc. That sort of held me back. I planned to pick up water from the showers and re-cycle it to flush the toilets. I still think that if the storage tank was small enough, it would re-cycle soon enough not to be a problem. However the cost of setting the thing up has deterred me as I don't want to do it and then find out it does cause trouble. Our water is cheap enough here that it likely wouldn't pay back for quite a while and would be a fair amount of work. I would need a separate water pressure system for the toilet feeds so would have to have a pump etc. The rest is just basically pipe and time. I thought to use one of the plastic sump pump pits and bury it in the basement floor so it was out of the way. Would need to be set up to drain if too much shower water went in and have some sort of float valve to add fresh water if it ran low. The filter is the major obstacle. Would it be sufficient to just screen it somehow or would I need to do something better? A swimming pool filter might work but it gets complicated if one goes to far. Needs to be simple. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT was what about you, now Washer Lint
Stupid me, I never considered that aspect of the problem. I do have my septic tank Cleaned every 2 or 3 years because I know there is 'stuff' in there I do not want to mitigate to my leach fields, I probably catch the lint at that time. I suspect that using 'gray' water to flush toilets will end up with filthy toilets pretty quick. Pete -- Original message -- From: harry watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Washer water is a problem where ever you send it because of the large amount of lint. I use screen door material on an old dishwasher rack to filter gray water entering the pump drum. I place 3 chlorine tablets under the air gap flow. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] no gas in georgia
Who's making fun of ethanol now? Our gas is $3.35 and there is plenty of it available here, along with E85 at $2.55 At 09:08 AM 9/24/2008, you wrote: my zip code says i live in lilburn, GA, but i don't live in lilburn any more than i live in snellville (probably even less so), lawrenceville or stone mountain. the name traditionally given to the area is five forks, which today really amount to just a relatively small cluster of strip malls, gas stations and fast food joints. there are 4 gas stations: Quicktrip, shell, chevron and kroger. only the kroger has gas and there is a huge line to get some. the rest are all dry. when a station gets fuel, they can sell it for about 4.50 a gallon and they sell every drop. my understanding is that this is the case is much of georgia and the southeast. i'm told this has something to do with it having rained in houston. am i being manipulated and defrauded here? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT was what about you, now Washer Lint
The phosphates tend to not make it all the way back into ground water if you actually use grey water on ground with plantings. They really like to have the nutrients and just let the water either percolate, absorb or evaporate. That is if you use grey water for yard duty. Best use I found is to reroute it to toilets and let it do a bit more work and then go to black clay On Sep 24, 2008, at 10:54 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's a damn big problem! Weather you drop it on the ground, water you whacky tobacco or put it in the town sewer. It is all going back to our water supply. We are still befouling our waters with this crap. I have no clue as to the answer, damn site more serious than dryer lint. Pete -- Original message -- From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] That's a problem not with the gray water per se but with the treatment of it. I'm not advocating dumping it right back into the water supply unfiltered! Send it into the ground and let it filter naturally into the water table, a la a septic tank drainfield. On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 10:21 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have lakes in New England that have been fouled by phosphates in runoff. Once over grown with green slime, they become very nasty. I don't want my neighbors Gray Water thank-you. Pete Ridiculous. (The tree huggers in question, not you, Pete.) Gray water recycling is one of the BEST things you can do for the environment! It's a crime that it is specifically forbidden in so many localities---even Portland, Oregon, supposedly a hotbed of green building. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D diff continued
I notice your sig, we'd discussed your chariot flying low a couple weeks ago does this mean they finally gave in or you realized the problem? -Curt --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Frederick W Moir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Frederick W Moir [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D diff continued To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 2:59 PM Curt, et al. Capacity of differential is 1.2 US Quarts Hypoid 85W90. Fred Moir Lynn MA '85 300TD '87 190DT Bent '87 190DT Blue With broken front springs! Merde! Swing low sweet chariot At 01:37 PM 9/24/2008, you wrote: Oooh scary. How much gear oil do I need? Curiously its not something I stock at home but have always kept loads of at the farm where the bushhog on the big tractor has a leaky gearbox... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 201 index
Hi!, All. The index feature supplied by Steve Nervig works well on the 123 and 124 FSM on HDD and Cd's but not on the 201. Is there an improved index available or buy-able (the scot in me winces). Fred Moir Lynn MA 123.193 201.128 201.128 124.026 Mechanic on call. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Saggy rear end
My wife pointed out yesterday that my pants have gotten a bit saggy, it turns out that since we've gotten the dog I've dropped nearly an entire waist size... Anyway the rear end of my 240D looks saggy and when I used to drive it would sag noticably while refueling. Fred and I talked about this the other day at the ChowdaQ and he reminded me that Marshall insisted that MB springs don't wear out... He also said somebody at Rusty's said they sold lots of 'em... They're $86 apiece from Rusty which seems reasonable if it'll fix the problem. He's also got spring shims in 9.5, 11 and 19mm which I vaugely remember Marshall saying were the way to fix saggy cars. The shims are MUCH less expensive, $6-$7 apiece. So should I just maybe get a couple 11mm shims? How does one install them, do I need a spring compressor? Thanks -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D diff continued
Curt, et al. Yup it swings low, because of a broken spring. Tried the right front first, 1 3/4 coils broken away. Don't know how it stays there. Chickened out on LF. So, being thrifty, I took the springs out of the bent one, lowest 1/2 coil broken off on both!! More biz for Rusty (All Hail Rusty!) Rusty, I mean no offence concerning the deposit for the Klann spring tool. The wife said no, or rather NO! But I could spend $220 on a Chinese copy, Women! Gotta love 'em! The spring tool worked well, though I took precautions: tied the spring to the strut, wore heavy goggles, thick gloves, and fervent prayer. Fred Moir Lynn MA 300TD 190DT Bent 190DT Blue-very! At 03:18 PM 9/24/2008, you wrote: I notice your sig, we'd discussed your chariot flying low a couple weeks ago does this mean they finally gave in or you realized the problem? -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Alda Shimming, 124
Glad to hear it went well! BTW, you mentioned the electric idle control plug -- can you explain where it is or how I'd recognize it? Thx Take Care, Larry T - 91 300D 2.5T http://youroil.net http://members.rennlist.org/oil/ - Oil Testing http://members.rennlist.org/webercarbs/ - Carb Jet Settings: - Original Message - From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 12:54 AM Subject: [MBZ] Alda Shimming, 124 I finally got around to shimming the alda today. The 300D would barely get to 80 floored before the fix. I have read a lot of accounts of the job, but there were a lot of details missing, so I felt i was flying blind It takes a 24 mm thin open end wrench. I had one from my HF 1/2 shaft router. I did the job without taking off the intake manifold or injection lines. I did take off the electric idle control plug, the temp sensor from the intake, and most of the vacuum lines. Parts needed: I used a new oil drain plug copper seal. I have lots since i use an oil sucker. I took a dremel with a diamond grinder wheel and removed about half the crosssectional width of the ring. I was holding the ring with needlenose. THe ring was distorted some in the process, so when I was done, I tapped it down on my big punch to make the inside round again. It works like a ring sizer, if you have ever seen one of them. I made sure the ID would fit over the parts sticking up on the IP, then made sure the OD would fit inside the ALDA, then figured I was ready to re-assemble. Dave M has the shim specs at http://www.w124performance.com/images/OM603_injection/ALDA_shim.jpg he says ID is 14.3 mm and the OD is 17.9 mm. Maybe someone has a source for the actual part. I like making what i have work. Tools needed: Thin 24 mm open end thin 27 mm open end. (I used a 1 1/16 and got the job done, but a thin 27 would make it a lot easier.) screwdriver to remove vacuum line from ALDA. 13mm box wrench to remove vacuum fitting from ALDA 10mm to remove inj line clip from the outside of the manifold telescoping magnet to help maneuver the ALDA back in place long straight screwdriver to help maneuver the ALDA back in place. Dremel and some wheel to abrade the outer surface of the ring. needlenose pliers large punch Remove the washer bottle. I didn't do this until re-assembly. Taking it off earlier makes the job easier. Remove the vacuum(pressure) line to the ALDA, and the fitting it attaches to. Be careful with the aluminum washer for the fitting. I lost mine even though i was being careful. Hold the big nut with the 27. Use the 24 to loosen the ALDA. Turn it CCW facing from above. There is a 24mm hex at the bottom of the ALDA body, even though you can't see it without a mirror. When the ALDA is unscrewed, you can get it out by tipping toward the engine, then moving it back. When you are satisfied with your grinder job on the washer, drop it on the stuff sticking up on the IP, and put the ALDA back on. Be careful not to crossthread. Tighten the ALDA down with the hole for the fitting pointing out as before. Finish reassembly in the reverse order. The road test: The car is probably still not as quick as my SDL was, but it is much improved. Now at 75-80 the pedal is barely down. I can mash the pedal at 80 and it has 'go and that is a big improvement. Before the shim, the pedal was pretty much floored at 80. Dave's spec says the shim can be up to 1.5 mm. If I could find that shim, I'd put it in. I saw no signs of smoking, so I think I am only part way there. If I take off the manifold sometime, I will turn out the screw a turn or so and try that. The seal was still there, so I think it is safe to assume the ALDA is un-messed with before I got to it. My guess is that the oil plug washer is 1mm, and if a turn is .75mm, I think one turn on the adjustment screw will finish the job at 1.75mm cumulative. For now, it is reasonably well performing, so I won't monkey with it more unless I am in there anyway for something else. Loren ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] no gas in georgia
Just went to get some #2 in 87 300D; sign said $4.30 yesterday; says $4.15 now, but pump is shut down - no fuel. 'Went to Sam's and got two 35 lb. jugs, 9.2 gal, of soy at $6.49/gal. Wilton Goldsboro, NC - Original Message - From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] no gas in georgia Who's making fun of ethanol now? Our gas is $3.35 and there is plenty of it available here, along with E85 at $2.55 At 09:08 AM 9/24/2008, you wrote: my zip code says i live in lilburn, GA, but i don't live in lilburn any more than i live in snellville (probably even less so), lawrenceville or stone mountain. the name traditionally given to the area is five forks, which today really amount to just a relatively small cluster of strip malls, gas stations and fast food joints. there are 4 gas stations: Quicktrip, shell, chevron and kroger. only the kroger has gas and there is a huge line to get some. the rest are all dry. when a station gets fuel, they can sell it for about 4.50 a gallon and they sell every drop. my understanding is that this is the case is much of georgia and the southeast. i'm told this has something to do with it having rained in houston. am i being manipulated and defrauded here? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D diff continued
Hmm, wonder if thats whats up with my 240D... Won't know unless I take it apart... Yeah, that'll wait. -Curt --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Frederick W Moir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Frederick W Moir [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D diff continued To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 3:44 PM Curt, et al. Yup it swings low, because of a broken spring. Tried the right front first, 1 3/4 coils broken away. Don't know how it stays there. Chickened out on LF. So, being thrifty, I took the springs out of the bent one, lowest 1/2 coil broken off on both!! More biz for Rusty (All Hail Rusty!) Rusty, I mean no offence concerning the deposit for the Klann spring tool. The wife said no, or rather NO! But I could spend $220 on a Chinese copy, Women! Gotta love 'em! The spring tool worked well, though I took precautions: tied the spring to the strut, wore heavy goggles, thick gloves, and fervent prayer. Fred Moir Lynn MA 300TD 190DT Bent 190DT Blue-very! At 03:18 PM 9/24/2008, you wrote: I notice your sig, we'd discussed your chariot flying low a couple weeks ago does this mean they finally gave in or you realized the problem? -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] no gas in georgia
The problem with ethanol as a fuel is it takes fuel to make fuel, and it's not like we're talking one gallon in makes twenty, it's far worse of a ratio than that. But no single alternative fuel is going to get the nation off crude. On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 01:58:58PM -0500, Loren Faeth wrote: Who's making fun of ethanol now? Our gas is $3.35 and there is plenty of it available here, along with E85 at $2.55 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Alda Shimming, 124
It is the electric plug on top of the IP, just ahead of the ALDA. It is locked in. the lock tab is turned about 1/8 turn toward the IP to unlock. To lock, it is turned back toward the engine. With the lock unlocked, it is hard to remove. I use a 12 long flat screwdriver to gently wiggle up on it. With the manifold removed, I think you could get a good enough grab on it to pull it up by hand. At 02:46 PM 9/24/2008, you wrote: Glad to hear it went well! BTW, you mentioned the electric idle control plug -- can you explain where it is or how I'd recognize it? Thx Take Care, Larry T - 91 300D 2.5T http://youroil.net http://members.rennlist.org/oil/ - Oil Testing http://members.rennlist.org/webercarbs/ - Carb Jet Settings: - Original Message - From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 12:54 AM Subject: [MBZ] Alda Shimming, 124 I finally got around to shimming the alda today. The 300D would barely get to 80 floored before the fix. I have read a lot of accounts of the job, but there were a lot of details missing, so I felt i was flying blind It takes a 24 mm thin open end wrench. I had one from my HF 1/2 shaft router. I did the job without taking off the intake manifold or injection lines. I did take off the electric idle control plug, the temp sensor from the intake, and most of the vacuum lines. Parts needed: I used a new oil drain plug copper seal. I have lots since i use an oil sucker. I took a dremel with a diamond grinder wheel and removed about half the crosssectional width of the ring. I was holding the ring with needlenose. THe ring was distorted some in the process, so when I was done, I tapped it down on my big punch to make the inside round again. It works like a ring sizer, if you have ever seen one of them. I made sure the ID would fit over the parts sticking up on the IP, then made sure the OD would fit inside the ALDA, then figured I was ready to re-assemble. Dave M has the shim specs at http://www.w124performance.com/images/OM603_injection/ALDA_shim.jpg he says ID is 14.3 mm and the OD is 17.9 mm. Maybe someone has a source for the actual part. I like making what i have work. Tools needed: Thin 24 mm open end thin 27 mm open end. (I used a 1 1/16 and got the job done, but a thin 27 would make it a lot easier.) screwdriver to remove vacuum line from ALDA. 13mm box wrench to remove vacuum fitting from ALDA 10mm to remove inj line clip from the outside of the manifold telescoping magnet to help maneuver the ALDA back in place long straight screwdriver to help maneuver the ALDA back in place. Dremel and some wheel to abrade the outer surface of the ring. needlenose pliers large punch Remove the washer bottle. I didn't do this until re-assembly. Taking it off earlier makes the job easier. Remove the vacuum(pressure) line to the ALDA, and the fitting it attaches to. Be careful with the aluminum washer for the fitting. I lost mine even though i was being careful. Hold the big nut with the 27. Use the 24 to loosen the ALDA. Turn it CCW facing from above. There is a 24mm hex at the bottom of the ALDA body, even though you can't see it without a mirror. When the ALDA is unscrewed, you can get it out by tipping toward the engine, then moving it back. When you are satisfied with your grinder job on the washer, drop it on the stuff sticking up on the IP, and put the ALDA back on. Be careful not to crossthread. Tighten the ALDA down with the hole for the fitting pointing out as before. Finish reassembly in the reverse order. The road test: The car is probably still not as quick as my SDL was, but it is much improved. Now at 75-80 the pedal is barely down. I can mash the pedal at 80 and it has 'go and that is a big improvement. Before the shim, the pedal was pretty much floored at 80. Dave's spec says the shim can be up to 1.5 mm. If I could find that shim, I'd put it in. I saw no signs of smoking, so I think I am only part way there. If I take off the manifold sometime, I will turn out the screw a turn or so and try that. The seal was still there, so I think it is safe to assume the ALDA is un-messed with before I got to it. My guess is that the oil plug washer is 1mm, and if a turn is .75mm, I think one turn on the adjustment screw will finish the job at 1.75mm cumulative. For now, it is reasonably well performing, so I won't monkey with it more unless I am in there anyway for something else. Loren ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT was what about you, now Washer Lint
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The phosphates tend to not make it all the way back into ground water if you actually use grey water on ground with plantings. They really like to have the nutrients and just let the water either percolate, absorb or evaporate. That is if you use grey water for yard duty. Best use I found is to reroute it to toilets and let it do a bit more work and then go to black Thanks Clay, that's what I was trying to say. Putting gray water on the ground is different from dumping it straight into the nearest body of water. Not to mention that you can produce less phosphates in the first place by changing your cleaning practices and what kinds of chemicals you use! Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Saggy rear end
Curt, et al. Yup, a spring compressor is best. Funny you should mention that Fred Moir Lynn MA At 03:36 PM 9/24/2008, you wrote: My wife pointed out yesterday that my pants have gotten a bit saggy, it turns out that since we've gotten the dog I've dropped nearly an entire waist size... Anyway the rear end of my 240D looks saggy and when I used to drive it would sag noticably while refueling. Fred and I talked about this the other day at the ChowdaQ and he reminded me that Marshall insisted that MB springs don't wear out... He also said somebody at Rusty's said they sold lots of 'em... They're $86 apiece from Rusty which seems reasonable if it'll fix the problem. He's also got spring shims in 9.5, 11 and 19mm which I vaugely remember Marshall saying were the way to fix saggy cars. The shims are MUCH less expensive, $6-$7 apiece. So should I just maybe get a couple 11mm shims? How does one install them, do I need a spring compressor? Thanks -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Saggy rear end
buy the rubber shims You need no compressor on the rear. Just put a separate jack under the outer end of the lower control arm (LCA), then unbolt the shock. with the shock loose, the LCA will lower enough, (under control of the jack) to let the spring drop out. You may need to drop the diff too, but I don't think so. Been a while since I did a 123, and the last one I did, i was rebuilding the whole rear subframe. While putting in the shims, you will find out if the springs are broken. The old 111 220Sb American model would need springs replaced. On newer models, I tend to agree with Marshall. bad springs are rare. At 02:36 PM 9/24/2008, you wrote: My wife pointed out yesterday that my pants have gotten a bit saggy, it turns out that since we've gotten the dog I've dropped nearly an entire waist size... Anyway the rear end of my 240D looks saggy and when I used to drive it would sag noticably while refueling. Fred and I talked about this the other day at the ChowdaQ and he reminded me that Marshall insisted that MB springs don't wear out... He also said somebody at Rusty's said they sold lots of 'em... They're $86 apiece from Rusty which seems reasonable if it'll fix the problem. He's also got spring shims in 9.5, 11 and 19mm which I vaugely remember Marshall saying were the way to fix saggy cars. The shims are MUCH less expensive, $6-$7 apiece. So should I just maybe get a couple 11mm shims? How does one install them, do I need a spring compressor? Thanks -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bearing question - W123 300 turbo
Hi Andrew, Glad you enjoyed your trip to Va. We live near Petersburg and I'm planning a trip similar to yours except I hope to take the 911.Looking at the 3rd week of Oct. If you could list in general your iteniary I'd llike to take a look and consider some of the same places? As far as F wheel bearings. They typically have a couple of sounds - one is like a roar that gets louder with speed - I can only describe it as a giant fan spinning making a giant wind noise. You may also feel a looseness when going around corners - almost like the wheel is tilting as you turn. Replacing the WBs is not a difficult job - jack the front end up and place securely on jack stands - remove the wheels/tires, remove the 2 bolts holding the caliper on and hang it to chassis with some wire. Then remove the small grease cap and you;ll see the bearing nut and the outer bearing. Remove the nut and wiggle the hub off the spindle - the outer bearing will fall out so catch it to keep it falling in the dirt. Use a screw driver to remove the inner grease seal (a new one should always be used) the inner WB can then be removed, then, with a long punch placed into the center of the hub, feel for the small ledge of the WB race (the solid part of the WB that the bearings ride upon) that portrudes into the center of the hub and slowly tap the punch and drive the ace out working your way around so it doesn't become cocked. Keep tapping until the race falls out. When I say tap, it may require more energetic hitting than that implies. Once done, flip the hub over and repeat on the inner race. Before reassembly, get a tube of appropriate grease fom the MB dealer - it comes in a tube with exactly enough to do 2 wheels - fold the tube in half to equally divide it and cut in half - you'll have a container for each wheel. Start the new races (I like to use a piece of wood and a hammer) into the hub and place grease into the center portion of the hub. Before putting the WBs into place, pack grease into all the roller pins (that's the actual WBs). Part of the grease goes into the WBs and part into the cap. There's a small copper thingie that attaches to the axle to cut down radio static - my WB kit came with new ones.(from Rusty). Slip the bearings into place and snug the nut down. This is where feel comes into play. Tighten it and test the tightness by using the tip of a scrrewdriver to move the washer back and forth. A small amount of force should be needed but you should not have to really put weight behind it. Kind of like the force to move a 10# weight. Too tight will cause the WBs to overheat and fail quickly. Next put the caliper (now's a good time to replace the brake pads) wheel /tire and you're pretty much done. Now you can do the other side ;-) Now come back and visit Va again - there's a lot to see! ;-)Good luck - Take Care, Larry T http://youroil.net http://members.rennlist.org/oil/ - Oil Testing http://members.rennlist.org/webercarbs/ - Carb Jet Settings: - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 7:30 PM Subject: [MBZ] Bearing question - W123 300 turbo We took our first long trip in the 1983 30TD - from D.C. to Barboursville and Gordonsville in the Blue Ridge Piedmont country of Virginia. We drove along country lanes and charming little untouched towns, viewing miles of lovely open spaces. We visited James Madison's estate - Montpelier - which was recently restored and now open to the public. Well worth the $14 admission charge. What was most interesting to me was the amount of work they had to do to DEconsruct the mega-additions that the DuPont family had put on the original house. Marion DuPont died without heirs, and willed the property to the National Trust for Historic Preservation. Two decades and multiple millions of $$ later, it is now another back to its original 1850 configuration and a Monticello -like attraction (Jefferson's estate). En route, everything worked well with the TD except I was concerned by noise that MAY indicate worn bearings. Can someone please describe the audible (or other) symptoms of worn front wheel bearings? I haven't had a problem with worn bearings for 20 years so have forgotten what the symptoms are. Andrew 1983 300TD 318 K miles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] E85?
..Who's making fun of ethanol now? Our gas is $3.35 and there is plenty of it available here, along with E85 at $2.55.. E85 prices don't have a lot to do with gasoline since ethanol is subsidized. And who do you know that has an E85 vehicle, anyway? I do, and there is one station in Western Washington selling it, 175 miles from me. RLE ** Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall0001) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] E85?
A friend of mine bought a new flex fuel Silverado. Last I talked to him, he had not run E85 in it but he assured me it would only cost drop his fuel economy by one mpg or so. I think he'd dreaming (or a salesman said what he wanted to hear) and the real loss will be around 1/3. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Saggy rear end
This is not always true, certainly not on my 85 300d. There is a tab on the subcarrier that the rear arm rests on preventing full decompression of the spring. The autozone rental spring compressor that goes through the middle works just fine. Curt needs to see what size shims he has in there now first and then go next size up. -Rolf Loren Faeth wrote: buy the rubber shims You need no compressor on the rear. Just put a separate jack under the outer end of the lower control arm (LCA), then unbolt the shock. with the shock loose, the LCA will lower enough, (under control of the jack) to let the spring drop out. You may need to drop the diff too, but I don't think so. Been a while since I did a 123, and the last one I did, i was rebuilding the whole rear subframe. While putting in the shims, you will find out if the springs are broken. The old 111 220Sb American model would need springs replaced. On newer models, I tend to agree with Marshall. bad springs are rare. At 02:36 PM 9/24/2008, you wrote: My wife pointed out yesterday that my pants have gotten a bit saggy, it turns out that since we've gotten the dog I've dropped nearly an entire waist size... Anyway the rear end of my 240D looks saggy and when I used to drive it would sag noticably while refueling. Fred and I talked about this the other day at the ChowdaQ and he reminded me that Marshall insisted that MB springs don't wear out... He also said somebody at Rusty's said they sold lots of 'em... They're $86 apiece from Rusty which seems reasonable if it'll fix the problem. He's also got spring shims in 9.5, 11 and 19mm which I vaugely remember Marshall saying were the way to fix saggy cars. The shims are MUCH less expensive, $6-$7 apiece. So should I just maybe get a couple 11mm shims? How does one install them, do I need a spring compressor? Thanks -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Saggy rear end
Have we verified that it isn't sagging due to subframe bushings or other parts? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] E85?
only every dodge caravan I have ever seen is flex fuel. a few years ago, that (dodge caravans) was about 25% of the vehicles on the road. I don't know about the rest of the domestic models, but Ford corp, Chrysler corp and GM corp have all had flex fuel vehicles available for several years. there are quite a few options for us to buy e85, and every pump at every station in Iowa and many in surrounding states has e10 If you happen to live in a parochial (definition 3) corner of the country, it does not mean the rest of the country is like your part. This IS a big country. If you want proof of this, just try to find a good tenderloin sandwich outside of the Midwest, and see the looks you get! Around here, every little town has at least one place to get a good tenderloin. At 03:25 PM 9/24/2008, you wrote: ..Who's making fun of ethanol now? Our gas is $3.35 and there is plenty of it available here, along with E85 at $2.55.. E85 prices don't have a lot to do with gasoline since ethanol is subsidized. And who do you know that has an E85 vehicle, anyway? I do, and there is one station in Western Washington selling it, 175 miles from me. RLE ** Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall0001) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CHEAP 1986 300SDL 245Kmi $2K!
You were thinking of selling the '87 300D W124? If one of those isn't worth much more than 2K, I may have to keep my '83 300SD with bad AC compressor and door lock pump since it would only fetch about 1400! It does have the new right lower ball joint and front pads and rotors though. I do notice the Diesel market softening up quite a bit since there was a running and driving VW Rabbit Diesel for $1500 yesterday too. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] no gas in georgia
well the reason its that cheap is because the gov subsidizes it. It takes about a gal of gas to make a gal of E85 Loren Faeth wrote: Who's making fun of ethanol now? Our gas is $3.35 and there is plenty of it available here, along with E85 at $2.55 At 09:08 AM 9/24/2008, you wrote: my zip code says i live in lilburn, GA, but i don't live in lilburn any more than i live in snellville (probably even less so), lawrenceville or stone mountain. the name traditionally given to the area is five forks, which today really amount to just a relatively small cluster of strip malls, gas stations and fast food joints. there are 4 gas stations: Quicktrip, shell, chevron and kroger. only the kroger has gas and there is a huge line to get some. the rest are all dry. when a station gets fuel, they can sell it for about 4.50 a gallon and they sell every drop. my understanding is that this is the case is much of georgia and the southeast. i'm told this has something to do with it having rained in houston. am i being manipulated and defrauded here? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.2/1689 - Release Date: 9/24/2008 6:51 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Saggy rear end
You do not need a spring compressor to remove the rear springs. Most of the time its the subframe mounts and spring pads that cause sagging. Curt Raymond wrote: My wife pointed out yesterday that my pants have gotten a bit saggy, it turns out that since we've gotten the dog I've dropped nearly an entire waist size... Anyway the rear end of my 240D looks saggy and when I used to drive it would sag noticably while refueling. Fred and I talked about this the other day at the ChowdaQ and he reminded me that Marshall insisted that MB springs don't wear out... He also said somebody at Rusty's said they sold lots of 'em... They're $86 apiece from Rusty which seems reasonable if it'll fix the problem. He's also got spring shims in 9.5, 11 and 19mm which I vaugely remember Marshall saying were the way to fix saggy cars. The shims are MUCH less expensive, $6-$7 apiece. So should I just maybe get a couple 11mm shims? How does one install them, do I need a spring compressor? Thanks -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.2/1689 - Release Date: 9/24/2008 6:51 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] air suspension.W109
What all is required to renew a old air suspension system and approx cost? mak 300SEL 3.5 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] no gas in georgia
That is not so. Can you prove that statement in 2007 or 2008 costs and production? At 06:33 PM 9/24/2008, you wrote: well the reason its that cheap is because the gov subsidizes it. It takes about a gal of gas to make a gal of E85 Loren Faeth wrote: Who's making fun of ethanol now? Our gas is $3.35 and there is plenty of it available here, along with E85 at $2.55 At 09:08 AM 9/24/2008, you wrote: my zip code says i live in lilburn, GA, but i don't live in lilburn any more than i live in snellville (probably even less so), lawrenceville or stone mountain. the name traditionally given to the area is five forks, which today really amount to just a relatively small cluster of strip malls, gas stations and fast food joints. there are 4 gas stations: Quicktrip, shell, chevron and kroger. only the kroger has gas and there is a huge line to get some. the rest are all dry. when a station gets fuel, they can sell it for about 4.50 a gallon and they sell every drop. my understanding is that this is the case is much of georgia and the southeast. i'm told this has something to do with it having rained in houston. am i being manipulated and defrauded here? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.2/1689 - Release Date: 9/24/2008 6:51 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] no gas in georgia
What is not true, that the gov subsidizes it or how much fuel it takes to make it? Loren Faeth wrote: That is not so. Can you prove that statement in 2007 or 2008 costs and production? At 06:33 PM 9/24/2008, you wrote: well the reason its that cheap is because the gov subsidizes it. It takes about a gal of gas to make a gal of E85 Loren Faeth wrote: Who's making fun of ethanol now? Our gas is $3.35 and there is plenty of it available here, along with E85 at $2.55 At 09:08 AM 9/24/2008, you wrote: my zip code says i live in lilburn, GA, but i don't live in lilburn any more than i live in snellville (probably even less so), lawrenceville or stone mountain. the name traditionally given to the area is five forks, which today really amount to just a relatively small cluster of strip malls, gas stations and fast food joints. there are 4 gas stations: Quicktrip, shell, chevron and kroger. only the kroger has gas and there is a huge line to get some. the rest are all dry. when a station gets fuel, they can sell it for about 4.50 a gallon and they sell every drop. my understanding is that this is the case is much of georgia and the southeast. i'm told this has something to do with it having rained in houston. am i being manipulated and defrauded here? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.2/1689 - Release Date: 9/24/2008 6:51 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.2/1689 - Release Date: 9/24/2008 6:51 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Saggy rear end
See what Kaleb wrote. If there is a problem getting the springs out with just the shocks loose, then you can cut loose the diff, and the springs will drop out. Kleb should know what it takes to get springs out of a 123. Unless the rubber parts have been replaced recently, you WILL need new rubber spring perches/shims. There is also a rubber perch for the tops. Get them also. I am betting that replacing the shim perches will help most of the problem, but the subframe mounts and the subframe bushings are also quite likely causing part of the sag. For a beater, I am betting that just working on the rubber parts above and below the springs will help immensely. Don't be afraid to put in a size or 2 larger shim than what came out. At 04:11 PM 9/24/2008, you wrote: This is not always true, certainly not on my 85 300d. There is a tab on the subcarrier that the rear arm rests on preventing full decompression of the spring. The autozone rental spring compressor that goes through the middle works just fine. Curt needs to see what size shims he has in there now first and then go next size up. -Rolf Loren Faeth wrote: buy the rubber shims You need no compressor on the rear. Just put a separate jack under the outer end of the lower control arm (LCA), then unbolt the shock. with the shock loose, the LCA will lower enough, (under control of the jack) to let the spring drop out. You may need to drop the diff too, but I don't think so. Been a while since I did a 123, and the last one I did, i was rebuilding the whole rear subframe. While putting in the shims, you will find out if the springs are broken. The old 111 220Sb American model would need springs replaced. On newer models, I tend to agree with Marshall. bad springs are rare. At 02:36 PM 9/24/2008, you wrote: My wife pointed out yesterday that my pants have gotten a bit saggy, it turns out that since we've gotten the dog I've dropped nearly an entire waist size... Anyway the rear end of my 240D looks saggy and when I used to drive it would sag noticably while refueling. Fred and I talked about this the other day at the ChowdaQ and he reminded me that Marshall insisted that MB springs don't wear out... He also said somebody at Rusty's said they sold lots of 'em... They're $86 apiece from Rusty which seems reasonable if it'll fix the problem. He's also got spring shims in 9.5, 11 and 19mm which I vaugely remember Marshall saying were the way to fix saggy cars. The shims are MUCH less expensive, $6-$7 apiece. So should I just maybe get a couple 11mm shims? How does one install them, do I need a spring compressor? Thanks -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] no gas in georgia
it has tax breaks. You may call them subsidies. I take issue with your statement about gallon for gallon. That was true perhaps in 1974, but there have been 30 years of technology improvement and massive enlargement of scale in Ethanol plants since 1974. current plant design is perhaps 200 times larger than just a few years ago. Massive changes in farming practices have also occurred in the past 30 years. Fuel consumption per bushel of corn (or per gallon of C2H5OH) is a small fraction of what it was 30 years ago. These make your statement as out of date as using the operating cost of a steam locomotive as the current operating cost of a freight train. Massive changes in the industry. At 06:49 PM 9/24/2008, you wrote: What is not true, that the gov subsidizes it or how much fuel it takes to make it? Loren Faeth wrote: That is not so. Can you prove that statement in 2007 or 2008 costs and production? At 06:33 PM 9/24/2008, you wrote: well the reason its that cheap is because the gov subsidizes it. It takes about a gal of gas to make a gal of E85 Loren Faeth wrote: Who's making fun of ethanol now? Our gas is $3.35 and there is plenty of it available here, along with E85 at $2.55 At 09:08 AM 9/24/2008, you wrote: my zip code says i live in lilburn, GA, but i don't live in lilburn any more than i live in snellville (probably even less so), lawrenceville or stone mountain. the name traditionally given to the area is five forks, which today really amount to just a relatively small cluster of strip malls, gas stations and fast food joints. there are 4 gas stations: Quicktrip, shell, chevron and kroger. only the kroger has gas and there is a huge line to get some. the rest are all dry. when a station gets fuel, they can sell it for about 4.50 a gallon and they sell every drop. my understanding is that this is the case is much of georgia and the southeast. i'm told this has something to do with it having rained in houston. am i being manipulated and defrauded here? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.2/1689 - Release Date: 9/24/2008 6:51 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.2/1689 - Release Date: 9/24/2008 6:51 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] no gas in georgia
Secret message for Kaleb -- you do NOT want to debate Loren on engineering issues. On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: That is not so. Can you prove that statement in 2007 or 2008 costs and production? At 06:33 PM 9/24/2008, you wrote: well the reason its that cheap is because the gov subsidizes it. It takes about a gal of gas to make a gal of E85 Loren Faeth wrote: Who's making fun of ethanol now? Our gas is $3.35 and there is plenty of it available here, along with E85 at $2.55 At 09:08 AM 9/24/2008, you wrote: my zip code says i live in lilburn, GA, but i don't live in lilburn any more than i live in snellville (probably even less so), lawrenceville or stone mountain. the name traditionally given to the area is five forks, which today really amount to just a relatively small cluster of strip malls, gas stations and fast food joints. there are 4 gas stations: Quicktrip, shell, chevron and kroger. only the kroger has gas and there is a huge line to get some. the rest are all dry. when a station gets fuel, they can sell it for about 4.50 a gallon and they sell every drop. my understanding is that this is the case is much of georgia and the southeast. i'm told this has something to do with it having rained in houston. am i being manipulated and defrauded here? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.2/1689 - Release Date: 9/24/2008 6:51 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] no gas in georgia
kleb has a monstrous intellect. you are foolish to underestimate him in any contest of eristics! On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 8:19 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Secret message for Kaleb -- you do NOT want to debate Loren on engineering issues. On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is not so. Can you prove that statement in 2007 or 2008 costs and production? At 06:33 PM 9/24/2008, you wrote: well the reason its that cheap is because the gov subsidizes it. It takes about a gal of gas to make a gal of E85 Loren Faeth wrote: Who's making fun of ethanol now? Our gas is $3.35 and there is plenty of it available here, along with E85 at $2.55 At 09:08 AM 9/24/2008, you wrote: my zip code says i live in lilburn, GA, but i don't live in lilburn any more than i live in snellville (probably even less so), lawrenceville or stone mountain. the name traditionally given to the area is five forks, which today really amount to just a relatively small cluster of strip malls, gas stations and fast food joints. there are 4 gas stations: Quicktrip, shell, chevron and kroger. only the kroger has gas and there is a huge line to get some. the rest are all dry. when a station gets fuel, they can sell it for about 4.50 a gallon and they sell every drop. my understanding is that this is the case is much of georgia and the southeast. i'm told this has something to do with it having rained in houston. am i being manipulated and defrauded here? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.2/1689 - Release Date: 9/24/2008 6:51 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ http://don.homelinux.net/%7Edon/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] air suspension.W109
yer gonna have to be a little more specific. in a nutshell, a lot of money. thousands. but what exactly is it that is bad on the suspension? the valves? the bags? the pump? On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:24 PM, Mak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What all is required to renew a old air suspension system and approx cost? mak 300SEL 3.5 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] no gas in georgia
I seriously doubt if Kleb was captain of his high school debate club. On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 7:23 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: kleb has a monstrous intellect. you are foolish to underestimate him in any contest of eristics! On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 8:19 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Secret message for Kaleb -- you do NOT want to debate Loren on engineering issues. On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is not so. Can you prove that statement in 2007 or 2008 costs and production? At 06:33 PM 9/24/2008, you wrote: well the reason its that cheap is because the gov subsidizes it. It takes about a gal of gas to make a gal of E85 Loren Faeth wrote: Who's making fun of ethanol now? Our gas is $3.35 and there is plenty of it available here, along with E85 at $2.55 At 09:08 AM 9/24/2008, you wrote: my zip code says i live in lilburn, GA, but i don't live in lilburn any more than i live in snellville (probably even less so), lawrenceville or stone mountain. the name traditionally given to the area is five forks, which today really amount to just a relatively small cluster of strip malls, gas stations and fast food joints. there are 4 gas stations: Quicktrip, shell, chevron and kroger. only the kroger has gas and there is a huge line to get some. the rest are all dry. when a station gets fuel, they can sell it for about 4.50 a gallon and they sell every drop. my understanding is that this is the case is much of georgia and the southeast. i'm told this has something to do with it having rained in houston. am i being manipulated and defrauded here? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.2/1689 - Release Date: 9/24/2008 6:51 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ http://don.homelinux.net/%7Edon/ http://don.homelinux.net/%7Edon/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] no gas in georgia
one day, bruce lee was traveling through claremore and was told about kleb, the local master of all things philosophy. also having an interest in the life of the mind, bruce challenged kleb to a debate on the wisdom of the ages. a learned panel was convened from across the world to judge the contest. epsn was there too. but it was no contest at all. after 5 minutes, bruce lee realized his blunder and begged forgiveness for his temerity. bruce declared kleb the true sifu and made him a gift of the original hong kong chinese dubbed green hornet reels. As he was leaving, bruce humorously commented well, at least i have gung fu. and then kleb beat the tar out of him. true story On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 8:25 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I seriously doubt if Kleb was captain of his high school debate club. On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 7:23 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: kleb has a monstrous intellect. you are foolish to underestimate him in any contest of eristics! On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 8:19 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Secret message for Kaleb -- you do NOT want to debate Loren on engineering issues. On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is not so. Can you prove that statement in 2007 or 2008 costs and production? At 06:33 PM 9/24/2008, you wrote: well the reason its that cheap is because the gov subsidizes it. It takes about a gal of gas to make a gal of E85 Loren Faeth wrote: Who's making fun of ethanol now? Our gas is $3.35 and there is plenty of it available here, along with E85 at $2.55 At 09:08 AM 9/24/2008, you wrote: my zip code says i live in lilburn, GA, but i don't live in lilburn any more than i live in snellville (probably even less so), lawrenceville or stone mountain. the name traditionally given to the area is five forks, which today really amount to just a relatively small cluster of strip malls, gas stations and fast food joints. there are 4 gas stations: Quicktrip, shell, chevron and kroger. only the kroger has gas and there is a huge line to get some. the rest are all dry. when a station gets fuel, they can sell it for about 4.50 a gallon and they sell every drop. my understanding is that this is the case is much of georgia and the southeast. i'm told this has something to do with it having rained in houston. am i being manipulated and defrauded here? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.2/1689 - Release Date: 9/24/2008 6:51 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ http://don.homelinux.net/%7Edon/ http://don.homelinux.net/%7Edon/ http://don.homelinux.net/%7Edon/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts
Re: [MBZ] no gas in georgia
Diesel went up a penny here to $3.76/gal, but gas stayed at $3.20/gal. No shortages here that I can see. Here being Oklahoma. On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd have to say so, gas and diesel both went down $0.04 last night here in MA... -Curt -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 201 index
I made a simple one, it's: http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/mb190d/Main.html it expects a PDF link in the same directory to point to the pdf collection from the ISO. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] air suspension.W109
Gary Hurst wrote: yer gonna have to be a little more specific. in a nutshell, a lot of money. thousands. but what exactly is it that is bad on the suspension? the valves? the bags? the pump? Aren't dead accumulators a given? And therefore blown valves? I think the question is whether the rest still pumps and holds fluid. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT was what about you, now Washer Lint
harry watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Washer water is a problem where ever you send it because of the large amount of lint. I have a lint filter on my washer drain, since we're on a septic system and everything (black and grey) goes into it. Got it here: http://www.laundry-alternative.com/products/Septic_Protector.html Allan -- 1983 300D (for sale) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT was what about you, now Washer Lint
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We have lakes in New England that have been fouled by phosphates in runoff. That's why they don't put phosphates in laundry detergent anymore. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Laundry appliances
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We have LG front loaders (2years now), SWMBO is very happy with them. They have huge capacity which ultimately reduces water and energy usage. We have one, I like it except it tends to leak if you use too much detergent, or have a seriously off-balance load. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 408 Camper
Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A VW is no MBZ and I will never own another water cooled VW in my life if I can help it. VW is no MBZ, I'll agree with that. My '91 Jetta was one of the best cars I ever owned. Never had any trouble with the cooling system outside of a few leaky flanges that are easy to replace. The waterboxer gas engines used in the vans are also troublesome, though if well cared for they can give good service. But a turbodiesel conversion, if done well, should be pretty trouble free. Allan -- 1983 300D (for sale) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 408 Camper
My VW Quantum diesel has 213,360 on the clock and is running strong. Starts much quicker than my 240D in cold temps. I'd put it up against ANY Benz for fun and reliability. Loren babied it, the next owner trashed it, I've (after a rebuild) driven it, and soon the pending Okie owner will thrash it. This car will laugh at 500K on the odometer. Yea, the Benz has history and a giant cool factor. But the vintage VW diesel has a lot going for it. I'd LOVE to find a rust-free diesel Rabbit. On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 8:35 PM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A VW is no MBZ and I will never own another water cooled VW in my life if I can help it. VW is no MBZ, I'll agree with that. My '91 Jetta was one of the best cars I ever owned. Never had any trouble with the cooling system outside of a few leaky flanges that are easy to replace. The waterboxer gas engines used in the vans are also troublesome, though if well cared for they can give good service. But a turbodiesel conversion, if done well, should be pretty trouble free. Allan -- 1983 300D (for sale) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] air suspension.W109
Aren't dead accumulators a given? And therefore blown valves? The air suspension system has no fluid in it, except for air, which is technically a fluid of very low viscosity. If it has any of a more viscous fluid in it, such as water, you've got problems! The later hydrodynamic system is quite different. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 201 index
Jim C. Thanks! Fred Moir Lynn MA At 08:45 PM 9/24/2008, you wrote: I made a simple one, it's: http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/mb190d/Main.html it expects a PDF link in the same directory to point to the pdf collection from the ISO. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] air suspension.W109
Jim Cathey wrote: Aren't dead accumulators a given? And therefore blown valves? The air suspension system has no fluid in it, except for air, which is technically a fluid of very low viscosity. Oops. I must have been thinking about the W116 system as in M100 6.9. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bearing question - W123 300 turbo
Great instructions - thanks. I recommend Pomme Resaurant (www.restaurantpomme.com) in Gordonsville and a visit to Barboursville Winery. Old Culpeper was charming as well. Can't recommend our BB, as the proprietor was a bit too loony and the breakfast was strictly self-serve and mostly nonexistent! On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 4:21 PM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Andrew, Glad you enjoyed your trip to Va. We live near Petersburg and I'm planning a trip similar to yours except I hope to take the 911.Looking at the 3rd week of Oct. If you could list in general your iteniary I'd llike to take a look and consider some of the same places? As far as F wheel bearings. They typically have a couple of sounds - one is like a roar that gets louder with speed - I can only describe it as a giant fan spinning making a giant wind noise. You may also feel a looseness when going around corners - almost like the wheel is tilting as you turn. Replacing the WBs is not a difficult job - jack the front end up and place securely on jack stands - remove the wheels/tires, remove the 2 bolts holding the caliper on and hang it to chassis with some wire. Then remove the small grease cap and you;ll see the bearing nut and the outer bearing. Remove the nut and wiggle the hub off the spindle - the outer bearing will fall out so catch it to keep it falling in the dirt. Use a screw driver to remove the inner grease seal (a new one should always be used) the inner WB can then be removed, then, with a long punch placed into the center of the hub, feel for the small ledge of the WB race (the solid part of the WB that the bearings ride upon) that portrudes into the center of the hub and slowly tap the punch and drive the ace out working your way around so it doesn't become cocked. Keep tapping until the race falls out. When I say tap, it may require more energetic hitting than that implies. Once done, flip the hub over and repeat on the inner race. Before reassembly, get a tube of appropriate grease fom the MB dealer - it comes in a tube with exactly enough to do 2 wheels - fold the tube in half to equally divide it and cut in half - you'll have a container for each wheel. Start the new races (I like to use a piece of wood and a hammer) into the hub and place grease into the center portion of the hub. Before putting the WBs into place, pack grease into all the roller pins (that's the actual WBs). Part of the grease goes into the WBs and part into the cap. There's a small copper thingie that attaches to the axle to cut down radio static - my WB kit came with new ones.(from Rusty). Slip the bearings into place and snug the nut down. This is where feel comes into play. Tighten it and test the tightness by using the tip of a scrrewdriver to move the washer back and forth. A small amount of force should be needed but you should not have to really put weight behind it. Kind of like the force to move a 10# weight. Too tight will cause the WBs to overheat and fail quickly. Next put the caliper (now's a good time to replace the brake pads) wheel /tire and you're pretty much done. Now you can do the other side ;-) Now come back and visit Va again - there's a lot to see! ;-)Good luck - Take Care, Larry T http://youroil.net http://members.rennlist.org/oil/ - Oil Testing http://members.rennlist.org/webercarbs/ - Carb Jet Settings: - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 7:30 PM Subject: [MBZ] Bearing question - W123 300 turbo We took our first long trip in the 1983 30TD - from D.C. to Barboursville and Gordonsville in the Blue Ridge Piedmont country of Virginia. We drove along country lanes and charming little untouched towns, viewing miles of lovely open spaces. We visited James Madison's estate - Montpelier - which was recently restored and now open to the public. Well worth the $14 admission charge. What was most interesting to me was the amount of work they had to do to DEconsruct the mega-additions that the DuPont family had put on the original house. Marion DuPont died without heirs, and willed the property to the National Trust for Historic Preservation. Two decades and multiple millions of $$ later, it is now another back to its original 1850 configuration and a Monticello -like attraction (Jefferson's estate). En route, everything worked well with the TD except I was concerned by noise that MAY indicate worn bearings. Can someone please describe the audible (or other) symptoms of worn front wheel bearings? I haven't had a problem with worn bearings for 20 years so have forgotten what the symptoms are. Andrew 1983 300TD 318 K miles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor:
Re: [MBZ] 408 Camper
I always called the Quantum the poor man's Mercedes. In interior and drivability, fun and so forth, i imagined it to somewhat like driving a euro trim 201 190d, perhaps the 190D 2.5 Turbo. The ONLY thing lacking was the quality of the outside door handles, but the inside handles were never a problem. I HAVE had problems with the inside handles on MBs, but never outside door handles. It is quite a car, even now, and someone here should snap it up. I think the interior may be better than a 201. All I ever had to do in taking the quantum from 100k to 200k was change oil, change tires, a new battery or two, adjust the calves a couple of times, wash and wax it once in a while and replace maybe 3 of the door handles (2 screws, no need to remove the door panel) When Don got it, it needed an axle, some fuel hose, and tires and some TLC The quantum i think was the most reliable car I have ever had. It was without a doubt the cheapest car to operate I have ever had, but the 190Dc was next in line. When we lived in HI, the Quantum would sit for 1 or 2 years at a time, then we'd drive it for a few weeks, and let it hibernate again. After 2 years sitting, guess what? It cranked right up! Every 80someting or newer MB won't start after sitting a month or 2. Dead battery, or you have to disconnect the cables when you park it or keep the battery on a trickle charge etc. That gets annoying. At 08:45 PM 9/24/2008, you wrote: My VW Quantum diesel has 213,360 on the clock and is running strong. Starts much quicker than my 240D in cold temps. I'd put it up against ANY Benz for fun and reliability. Loren babied it, the next owner trashed it, I've (after a rebuild) driven it, and soon the pending Okie owner will thrash it. This car will laugh at 500K on the odometer. Yea, the Benz has history and a giant cool factor. But the vintage VW diesel has a lot going for it. I'd LOVE to find a rust-free diesel Rabbit. On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 8:35 PM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A VW is no MBZ and I will never own another water cooled VW in my life if I can help it. VW is no MBZ, I'll agree with that. My '91 Jetta was one of the best cars I ever owned. Never had any trouble with the cooling system outside of a few leaky flanges that are easy to replace. The waterboxer gas engines used in the vans are also troublesome, though if well cared for they can give good service. But a turbodiesel conversion, if done well, should be pretty trouble free. Allan -- 1983 300D (for sale) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] air suspension.W109
wrong system. this one has no accumulators and the only fluid is air (and water in the air, which is where the problems start) On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 9:12 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary Hurst wrote: yer gonna have to be a little more specific. in a nutshell, a lot of money. thousands. but what exactly is it that is bad on the suspension? the valves? the bags? the pump? Aren't dead accumulators a given? And therefore blown valves? I think the question is whether the rest still pumps and holds fluid. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 408 Camper
I fixed your starting issue! :-) [Leak in the fuel line -- 6'4 is a challenge crawling around in a Quantum trunk!] On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 9:20 PM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: All I ever had to do in taking the quantum from 100k to 200k was change oil, change tires, a new battery or two, adjust the calves a couple of times, wash and wax it once in a while and replace maybe 3 of the door handles (2 screws, no need to remove the door panel) When Don got it, it needed an axle, some fuel hose, and tires and some TLC. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] air suspension.W109
i think i said the same thing, only you said it first. hm On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 10:00 PM, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aren't dead accumulators a given? And therefore blown valves? The air suspension system has no fluid in it, except for air, which is technically a fluid of very low viscosity. If it has any of a more viscous fluid in it, such as water, you've got problems! The later hydrodynamic system is quite different. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] air suspension.W109
How much do you want to do? If you want to farm out the job, call Neil at Star motors in new york. He will tell you how many thou to send with the car. Binghamton, or something like that. If you want to do it yourself, a good selection of metric orings and tube of silicon for-a-gasket will get most of it done, if the air pump and the airbags are good. you didn't say if the tubing is rusty. then you need tubing, benders, flaring tools etc. How is that for a wide range of prices? Kinda like how much is farmground? Anywhere from 2k/a to 8.5k/a and more it there is development potential. Probably less if it is in dry country At 09:24 PM 9/23/2008, you wrote: What all is required to renew a old air suspension system and approx cost? mak 300SEL 3.5 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] air suspension.W109
Garythe car has been standing for ages ,bags are crumply, the rest is ,assumed to be bad i.e. the pump and valves. would it be simple to convert to coil springs . mak - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 5:25 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] air suspension.W109 yer gonna have to be a little more specific. in a nutshell, a lot of money. thousands. but what exactly is it that is bad on the suspension? the valves? the bags? the pump? On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:24 PM, Mak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What all is required to renew a old air suspension system and approx cost? mak 300SEL 3.5 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.2/1689 - Release Date: 9/24/2008 6:51 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] air suspension.W109
the whole point of the car is the air suspension. just get a car with coil springs and sell this one to someone who wants to fix it or use it as parts. On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 11:53 PM, Mak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Garythe car has been standing for ages ,bags are crumply, the rest is ,assumed to be bad i.e. the pump and valves. would it be simple to convert to coil springs . mak - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 5:25 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] air suspension.W109 yer gonna have to be a little more specific. in a nutshell, a lot of money. thousands. but what exactly is it that is bad on the suspension? the valves? the bags? the pump? On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:24 PM, Mak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What all is required to renew a old air suspension system and approx cost? mak 300SEL 3.5 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.2/1689 - Release Date: 9/24/2008 6:51 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT was what about you, now Washer Lint
Allan Many thanks, I believe this may be the answer to my problem. I'll have one on order shortly. I'll try an installation just upstream from the pump drum and leave my filter in place, at least for awhile. Thanks Harry I have a lint filter on my washer drain, since we're on a septic system and everything (black and grey) goes into it. Got it here: http://www.laundry-alternative.com/products/Septic_Protector.html Allan -- 1983 300D (for sale) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] VW Westfalias, was 408D RVs
On Sep 24, 2008, at 9:51 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But a turbodiesel conversion, if done well, should be pretty trouble free. I had one for 5 years and 40k miles. Professionally converted, full set of gauges, all euro VW vanagon parts and engine. It was quite reliable, fun to drive, and got 27 mpg at 65 mph--more on the backroads. But the aluminum heads all eventually warp and crack, especially in Vanagon applications where they're run so hard, and the rings fail catastrophically after about 100k miles in the turbos, 150k or more on the NAs, so in a vanagon, they're not the most long-lived engines. I loved mine, but the engine blew 1600 miles from home, I got a good price for it, and I'm trying again with my backup, an I-4 gas conversion (Jetta engined) van that's otherwise identical. The I-4s are reputed to last longer in vanagons, as they have 20 more hp than the TDs and twice the power of the NA diesels, and thus aren't run quite as hard. They don't have the broad torque band of the TDs, tho. No matter what the engine, even the troublesome and comparatively thirsty waterboxers, there's really nothing like a Westfalia. They drive very nicely, go just about anywhere, are tremendously roomy, and very versatile. Dan 82 Westy TD (sold) 83 Westy I-4 gasser ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
